Lump on Kildare. There's no hope of Derry getting their heads right in 6 days after the disaster today.
Indeed, I feel kildare will win this one well, it will be very hard for derry to do anything now.............. weres the venue ????
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 17, 2011, 05:39:27 PM
Indeed, I feel kildare will win this one well, it will be very hard for derry to do anything now.............. weres the venue ????
decided tomorrow - parnell perhaps ? or Newry ?
Just home from Liverpool so haven't watch the Kildare game sober yet so can't comment on them but Derry were very poor in that 2nd half today.
Against Kildare they will have more freedom to play football, big ask to turnaround in 6 days, the sensible option would be a double header in Croke Park in 2 weeks with the Tyrone/Armagh v Rossie game.
Kildare have to win, sure they are borderline favs for the all ireland today such are their displays............................
It will be a big ask for Derry to come back from this.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 17, 2011, 05:42:27 PM
Just home from Liverpool so haven't watch the Kildare game sober yet so can't comment on them but Derry were very poor in that 2nd half today.
Against Kildare they will have more freedom to play football, big ask to turnaround in 6 days, the sensible option would be a double header in Croke Park in 2 weeks with the Tyrone/Armagh game.
tyrone wont get an extra weeks rest and they are entitled to their home match as its still a round 3 game, double header with Cork/Down but the hierarchy will be worried about the poor attendance
Presume this will be in either Clones or Cavan?
It will be nice to be playing a county that doesn't border us for once this summer.
Kildare by at least 6.
Quotetyrone wont get an extra weeks rest and they are entitled to their home match
I presume he meant the game between Tyrone/Armagh and Roscommon???
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2011, 05:51:42 PM
Quotetyrone wont get an extra weeks rest and they are entitled to their home match
I presume he meant the game between Tyrone/Armagh and Roscommon???
I did
I cant see Derry getting back up for this one, especially against one of the best teams in the country. Kildare by 7 or 8.
whats the best price on Kildare at the min? shoo-ins!
Second year in a row that Kildare get the defeated Ulster finalists 6 days later. Difficult to see anything other than a Kildare win.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2011, 07:07:34 PM
Second year in a row that Kildare get the defeated Ulster finalists 6 days later. Difficult to see anything other than a Kildare win.
Probably get a peno too, for the third game in a row ;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 17, 2011, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2011, 05:51:42 PM
Quotetyrone wont get an extra weeks rest and they are entitled to their home match
I presume he meant the game between Tyrone/Armagh and Roscommon???
I did
would make sense but Derry wont get the extra week
I'd say Cavan would be the best place for this match as it'd be roughly half way wouldn't it?
Don't think it'd be fair to bring Derry all the way down to Croke Park to play us.
I'd imagine if it was in Croker it'd be a double header with Cork v Down but apparently that's been shown on tv3 saturday night at 7 so that suggests it won't be in Croke Park. Clones has been mentioned too.
I wouldn't make it a double header in Croke Park.
Derry and Cork would probably muster 1000 fans between them to travel.
I'd put Cork and Down in Portlaoise and Kildare and Derry in Breffni Park.
How's Deccie Brennan getting on up in Derry? Is he injured at the moment?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 17, 2011, 05:46:52 PM
Presume this will be in either Clones or Cavan?
It will be nice to be playing a county that doesn't border us for once this summer.
Jaysus going to Clones for a 3rd time in a row would make me sick.
Casement ;D
Quote from: DoireGael on July 18, 2011, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 17, 2011, 05:46:52 PM
Presume this will be in either Clones or Cavan?
It will be nice to be playing a county that doesn't border us for once this summer.
Jaysus going to Clones for a 3rd time in a row would make me sick.
Casement ;D
Casement has been a happy hunting ground for us Flourbags in recent years. Name the time and we'll be there!
Is there any case for Derry to get this game called off?? Surely its the right course of action and the CB need to be considering this seriously and making some sort of case for it.
When Roscommon are getting next week off because they have to wait for Tyrone vs Armagh I think it'd be fairer to give Derry the extra week too.
To be honest I don't know how that motion to give provincial losers a week off didn't pass.
Scrap the provincials.
Derry will do themselves no favours either by giving kildare the extra week too....................
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2011, 01:05:28 AM
Scrap the provincials.
Deffo...........................wouldnt be suprised if ourselves and mayo get knocked out in the 1/4s..................... too much down time
I definitely wouldn't scrap the provincials.
It mightn't mean much to Dublin, Kerry etc to win but it gives other counties who don't have a chance of winning the all-ireland something to work towards.
We saw last year what a provincial title meant to roscommon and then today with donegal, first one in 19 years.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 17, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
How's Deccie Brennan getting on up in Derry? Is he injured at the moment?
Deccie was playing great stuff for us through the league then done his cruciate 30 seconds into the first game of the championship... Very unfortunate for him and us he's an excellent footballer and a great lad as well!
We've 3 cruciates this year. Awful luck!
with Derry going back to the 00's by refusing to send the ball into the FF line, we have no chance of putting up much of a score and Kildare will win this handy enough.
Cant go whinging about changing game dates now...
the blame lies with the ulster council for fixing the final so flipping late !
Quote from: screenexile on July 18, 2011, 01:40:54 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 17, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
How's Deccie Brennan getting on up in Derry? Is he injured at the moment?
Deccie was playing great stuff for us through the league then done his cruciate 30 seconds into the first game of the championship... Very unfortunate for him and us he's an excellent footballer and a great lad as well!
We've 3 cruciates this year. Awful luck!
He's got the Kildare curse so. Just watching the match yesterday I was thinking how he'd have been suited to a man-marking job on someone like McFadden or Murphy.
Suggestions in the Irish Examiner that this will be part of a double header with Cork and Down in Croke Park. Can't see it myself. You'd be looking at a crowd of around 30,000 and even that figure would be optimistic.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 18, 2011, 09:13:48 AM
with Derry going back to the 00's by refusing to send the ball into the FF line, we have no chance of putting up much of a score and Kildare will win this handy enough.
Cant go whinging about changing game dates now...
the blame lies with the ulster council for fixing the final so flipping late !
surely that was a tv decision?
Looking like a double header with Cork Down in Croker!
4pm Croke Park, harsh on Derry.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 18, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
4pm Croke Park, harsh on Derry.
Them's the breaks. Ye've been playing week after week with injuries and the like. I think it's harder luck on Derry that Eoin Bradley is missing, but ye can retort with Dermot Earley, Peter Kelly and the like.
I'm looking forward to this game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 18, 2011, 03:25:55 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 18, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
4pm Croke Park, harsh on Derry.
Them's the breaks. Ye've been playing week after week with injuries and the like. I think it's harder luck on Derry that Eoin Bradley is missing, but ye can retort with Dermot Earley, Peter Kelly and the like.
I'm looking forward to this game.
at this moment in time, i'm not - i might get more optimistic as the week progresses though!!
bit of a bollix with the time..so be it, looking forward to it
any prices announced yet inc juveniles?
cheers
Can't see there being much of a crowd at this. They could struggle to hit the 30,000 mark. A provincial ground would have been preferable from a supporters point of view but I'm sure the players will be delighted it's in Croke Park.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 18, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
4pm Croke Park, harsh on Derry.
Personally i'm happy it's in croker as it's handy for me to get to but it seems very hard on Derry that they have to travel all the way to Dublin also attendance wise it seems stupid to have it in croker considering Derry will bring their usual crowd of about 500 and Cork wont have many more. They obviously think Kildare will bring a huge crowd but I don't think there will be anymore than 35,000 at both games
No question that Kildare will be more at home in Croker than Derry. Still happy enough, love watchin Derry in croker. Hope JB can get their heads right and with GOK another week of recovery, who knows?
Everything is in Kildare's favour. Perfect scenario for a Derry performance.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 18, 2011, 04:14:15 PM
Everything is in Kildare's favour. Perfect scenario for a Derry performance.
They said that last week too :-\
They did win in "fortress" Newbridge in the league earlier in the year. Kildare's distinct lack of anything resembling a "natural" footballer apart from Johnny Doyle is going to come back to haunt them one of these days.
Derry's to lose...
Hardly on the tele is it?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
They did win in "fortress" Newbridge in the league earlier in the year. Kildare's distinct lack of anything resembling a "natural" footballer apart from Johnny Doyle is going to come back to haunt them one of these days.
Derry's to lose...
lol...that baldy boy up front can play a bit. And the big massive blonde haired colossus is the find of the season whatever you call him. Hands like shovels. Kildare by 15 in a repeat of the Celtic Park massacre.
Is Johnny Doyle even a natural footballer, i reckon all the football has been coached out of him.
How many would have been in Breffni? Maybe 5 -7 k in a 30,000 ground.
Croker best for all. Think times are ok . Unlucky for Derry with the 6 day turnaround but id saye their players will want to play in Croker. Down V Cork wouldnt get many more in Portloaise or Tullamore.
Quote from: sheamy on July 18, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
They did win in "fortress" Newbridge in the league earlier in the year. Kildare's distinct lack of anything resembling a "natural" footballer apart from Johnny Doyle is going to come back to haunt them one of these days.
Derry's to lose...
lol...that baldy boy up front can play a bit. And the big massive blonde haired colossus is the find of the season whatever you call him. Hands like shovels. Kildare by 15 in a repeat of the Celtic Park massacre.
Ah here...
McGeeney to assemble five pre match huddles.
Kildare to kick forty wides.
Ten Kildare players to suffer cruciate ligament injuries.
Johnny Doyle to kick one free in injury time to put a bit of respectability on the scoreboard.
Final score: Derry 2-12 Kildare 0-01.
McGeeney to assemble six post match huddles which will delay the throw in to the Cork v Down match by two hours.
Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay to say Kildare are still no3 in the pecking order on the night edition of The Sunday Game.
Meltdown on Res Dubs.
Quote from: sheamy on July 18, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
They did win in "fortress" Newbridge in the league earlier in the year. Kildare's distinct lack of anything resembling a "natural" footballer apart from Johnny Doyle is going to come back to haunt them one of these days.
Derry's to lose...
lol...that baldy boy up front can play a bit. And the big massive blonde haired colossus is the find of the season whatever you call him. Hands like shovels. Kildare by 15 in a repeat of the Celtic Park massacre.
Was there 15 in it at the end that day? I didn't make it up, but remember the general feeling amongst the analysts was that Kildare's one point advantage at half time wouldn't be enough and that Derry with the wind would blow them away. I personally felt we'd nick it, but was a bit worried that we wouldn't press home our advantage. Whilst we were well bate in the end, if we'd taken our chances at vital times things could have been very different.
I was at that league game earlier this year too, Derry won easy in the end up, no Eoin Bradley either, I'd say it'll be the same again on Saturday ;)
Great double header in store..might just ramble into the hill
The croker factor might get derry motivated
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:42:16 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 18, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
They did win in "fortress" Newbridge in the league earlier in the year. Kildare's distinct lack of anything resembling a "natural" footballer apart from Johnny Doyle is going to come back to haunt them one of these days.
Derry's to lose...
lol...that baldy boy up front can play a bit. And the big massive blonde haired colossus is the find of the season whatever you call him. Hands like shovels. Kildare by 15 in a repeat of the Celtic Park massacre.
Ah here...
McGeeney to assemble five pre match huddles.
Kildare to kick forty wides.
Ten Kildare players to suffer cruciate ligament injuries.
Johnny Doyle to kick one free in injury time to put a bit of respectability on the scoreboard.
Final score: Derry 2-12 Kildare 0-01.
McGeeney to assemble six post match huddles which will delay the throw in to the Cork v Down match by two hours.
Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay to say Kildare are still no3 in the pecking order on the night edition of The Sunday Game.
Meltdown on Res Dubs.
Very good DH.
I reckon Parnell would have held the crowd. Anyone meeting for pre-match pints?
Any word on the derry camp lads..........................................how are they mentally now.........................weres joe brolly these days, weres fergal doherty also, is he injured or retired ? .......................................(em an answer would be nice :D)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 19, 2011, 08:21:05 PM
Any word on the derry camp lads..........................................how are they mentally now.........................weres joe brolly these days, weres fergal doherty also, is he injured or retired ? .......................................(em an answer would be nice :D)
Havent heard anything directly from the Derry squad so cant comment, but I'd imagine they're down at the minute and probably feeling aggrieved over some decisions in the final and the fact they didnt all perform to the best of their ability so I'd say frustrated to.
Mr Brolly passed us on the way home from Clones so he's knocking about somewhere.
Fergal Doherty isnt on the panel this year but is playing club football.
cheers tbrick......................................my god fergal doherty is a savage baller, he should be on that panel
Word to the wise Derry, if Emmet Bolton goes wandering up the field get someone to track him. :-[
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:42:16 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 18, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
They did win in "fortress" Newbridge in the league earlier in the year. Kildare's distinct lack of anything resembling a "natural" footballer apart from Johnny Doyle is going to come back to haunt them one of these days.
Derry's to lose...
lol...that baldy boy up front can play a bit. And the big massive blonde haired colossus is the find of the season whatever you call him. Hands like shovels. Kildare by 15 in a repeat of the Celtic Park massacre.
Ah here...
McGeeney to assemble five pre match huddles.
Kildare to kick forty wides.
Ten Kildare players to suffer cruciate ligament injuries.
Johnny Doyle to kick one free in injury time to put a bit of respectability on the scoreboard.
Final score: Derry 2-12 Kildare 0-01.
McGeeney to assemble six post match huddles which will delay the throw in to the Cork v Down match by two hours.
Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay to say Kildare are still no3 in the pecking order on the night edition of The Sunday Game.
Meltdown on Res Dubs.
I see one of the lads on the Kildare forum is claiming Mick Foley has a black eye because Paddy O'Rourke gave him a dig last Saturday.
Heard nothing about this till now.
Anyone see anything?
If true it's the first target Paddy has hit all year.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 19, 2011, 10:02:52 PM
Word to the wise Derry, if Emmet Bolton goes wandering up the field get someone to track him. :-[
he didnt get a sniff until kenny went off..................easily nullified
Quote from: Jinxy on July 19, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:42:16 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 18, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 18, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
They did win in "fortress" Newbridge in the league earlier in the year. Kildare's distinct lack of anything resembling a "natural" footballer apart from Johnny Doyle is going to come back to haunt them one of these days.
Derry's to lose...
lol...that baldy boy up front can play a bit. And the big massive blonde haired colossus is the find of the season whatever you call him. Hands like shovels. Kildare by 15 in a repeat of the Celtic Park massacre.
Ah here...
McGeeney to assemble five pre match huddles.
Kildare to kick forty wides.
Ten Kildare players to suffer cruciate ligament injuries.
Johnny Doyle to kick one free in injury time to put a bit of respectability on the scoreboard.
Final score: Derry 2-12 Kildare 0-01.
McGeeney to assemble six post match huddles which will delay the throw in to the Cork v Down match by two hours.
Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay to say Kildare are still no3 in the pecking order on the night edition of The Sunday Game.
Meltdown on Res Dubs.
I see one of the lads on the Kildare forum is claiming Mick Foley has a black eye because Paddy O'Rourke gave him a dig last Saturday.
Heard nothing about this till now.
Anyone see anything?
If true it's the first target Paddy has hit all year.
He has a biteen of a shiner alright but it wasn't the work of O'Rourke from what I've been hearing. Apparently he pointed out to McGeeney that he could do with a haircut and it didn't go down too well.
Clash of heads in the post-match huddle.
I'd expect a very defensive Kildare here. What do you think (Kildare) lads? History and the last game showed how to beat Derry. It's foolproof. Aidan O'Rourke is a top fella and knows Ulster football inside out including all these Derry lads. He'll know that if he puts 11 men in defence there's a very high probability of only one outcome. Armagh had the wrong O'Rourke in charge.
Re the mentality of the Derry players. Yeah, they'll be down but I'd expect problems might be physical. They'll be delighted to be playing in Croke Park all the same so I think that has picked them up a bit. Severely up against it though and hard to come back after 6 days.
Seriously lads, McGeeney needs a haircut! Get the county board to expense it for him. He'd look well with the Brennan look. Auld comb over hard to beat lads. Timeless.
Saw O Rorke split him with a box off the ball. Thought it was Shane O Rourke at first glance though..
QuoteI'd expect a very defensive Kildare here.
Like the Scorpion and the frog it's just not in our nature to defend en masse which is a worry against Derry and their new set-up which is far more expressive football wise.
Looking at the post-match reaction from John Brennan and this quote in the paper today
"We had a meeting and the consensus was that we were treated cruelly by officials. Not to be given a fair opportunity is just wrong and I stand by what I said on Sunday."
Read more: http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/brennan-launches-six-day-war-161590.html#ixzz1SdAmsRvI (http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/brennan-launches-six-day-war-161590.html#ixzz1SdAmsRvI)"now that to me is putting you in the wrong frame of mind, he clearly hasn't drawn a line and further in the article he is blaming the Ulster council (correctly) for the 6 day turn a round. There is no air of positivity and it seems like that he as the manager has already has his excuses ready if they lose.
But as this Kildare expect Derry to whitewash the hype machine by 5 points.
The ulster council have ballsed up by fixing the ulster final so late .
However this was known a while back.
Its also part of getting a 'second chance'.
If it was an additional week later, Derry are still without the Bradleys and not just their top marksmen, but the team showed last sunday that they wouldnt kick the ball into the FF line without either of thembeing there. Its like how Derry played from 1995 to 2008 - not using the FF line. Men lik e Paddy B, Brolly, Geoffrey, Muldoon, Gilligan etc etc were virtually redundant in the lan thosaigh division and it used to drive me mad. What chance would any player put into the FF line have if like last sunday the ball doesnt go in. We pose no threat and are easier beaten.
Kildare may not be naturally defensive, but have come up with a gameplan to strengthen defence while then having space and runners that can use this space when turning from defence into attack.
its the old Tyrone gameplan, though the red arses went on to redefine this to a more traditional style once they had established themselves.
Kildare and Donegal know that in all contact ball sports, defence is king. You build your championship winning team on a good defence. You need a few scoring forwards to win, but these days in soccer, basketball, american football, ice hockey as well as Hurling and Football - this is the template.
I cannot see Derry winning, but I'll be there to support them anyway. Plus there is ALWAYS a chance of a shock. We have good players, but there is so much not in our favour right now. Still our Irish mentality means we love it when we are underdogs !
Looking forward to a good game. Two very different line ups from last time we met in the national league.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 20, 2011, 09:31:29 AM
The ulster council have ballsed up by fixing the ulster final so late .
I said this before, but did they have any choice in this?
Surely all the football and hurling provincial finals are in liasion with GAA HQ and are arranged to suit tv? Would TV allow 3 provincial finals on the same day? Do they not dictate that each weekend has 2 provincial finals? Leinster have moved theirs forward, but is there not talk that Ulster will swap with Leinster next year?
This year especially there is no need for the Derry v Kildare game to be played this weekend anyway as their fixtures are already fcuked by the inconvenience of a draw after extra time (why didn't it go to fifties anyway?).
Can't see anything but a Kildare victory. If the two Bradleys were fit then I think Derry would beat them or at least run close, but with no real fire-power I'd be surprised if Kildare don't run out winners by at least 4-5 points
Quote from: LilySavage on July 20, 2011, 08:19:43 AM
Saw O Rorke split him with a box off the ball. Thought it was Shane O Rourke at first glance though..
Shane and Paddy look nothing like each other.
What exactly did you see?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 09:15:32 AM
QuoteI'd expect a very defensive Kildare here.
Like the Scorpion and the frog it's just not in our nature to defend en masse which is a worry against Derry and their new set-up which is far more expressive football wise.
Looking at the post-match reaction from John Brennan and this quote in the paper today "We had a meeting and the consensus was that we were treated cruelly by officials. Not to be given a fair opportunity is just wrong and I stand by what I said on Sunday."
Read more: http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/brennan-launches-six-day-war-161590.html#ixzz1SdAmsRvI (http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/brennan-launches-six-day-war-161590.html#ixzz1SdAmsRvI)"
now that to me is putting you in the wrong frame of mind, he clearly hasn't drawn a line and further in the article he is blaming the Ulster council (correctly) for the 6 day turn a round. There is no air of positivity and it seems like that he as the manager has already has his excuses ready if they lose.
But as this Kildare expect Derry to whitewash the hype machine by 5 points.
I wouldn't be so sure that's the message being communicated behind closed doors. . . it's classic old school management creating a siege mentality and getting your players to come out fighting because the world's against them.
For the record I don't think the world is against us. We weren't good enough and the penalties were what ifs. I think Donegal would still have beaten us the way the 2 teams were playing. We'll see how JB's mind games work on Saturday I guess!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 20, 2011, 09:31:29 AM
The ulster council have ballsed up by fixing the ulster final so late .
However this was known a while back.
Its also part of getting a 'second chance'.
By now, the qualifiers have moved from second chance to being an integral part of the championship.
A 2 week gap is very doable, 6 days is an insult.
But I wouldn't hold much hope for Derry even if they had 2 weeks.
You never know.
Quote from: screenexile on July 20, 2011, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 09:15:32 AM
QuoteI'd expect a very defensive Kildare here.
Like the Scorpion and the frog it's just not in our nature to defend en masse which is a worry against Derry and their new set-up which is far more expressive football wise.
Looking at the post-match reaction from John Brennan and this quote in the paper today "We had a meeting and the consensus was that we were treated cruelly by officials. Not to be given a fair opportunity is just wrong and I stand by what I said on Sunday."
Read more: http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/brennan-launches-six-day-war-161590.html#ixzz1SdAmsRvI (http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/brennan-launches-six-day-war-161590.html#ixzz1SdAmsRvI)"
now that to me is putting you in the wrong frame of mind, he clearly hasn't drawn a line and further in the article he is blaming the Ulster council (correctly) for the 6 day turn a round. There is no air of positivity and it seems like that he as the manager has already has his excuses ready if they lose.
But as this Kildare expect Derry to whitewash the hype machine by 5 points.
I wouldn't be so sure that's the message being communicated behind closed doors. . . it's classic old school management creating a siege mentality and getting your players to come out fighting because the world's against them.
For the record I don't think the world is against us. We weren't good enough and the penalties were what ifs. I think Donegal would still have beaten us the way the 2 teams were playing. We'll see how JB's mind games work on Saturday I guess!
Yea I know what he is doing but he has failed to address his and his teams failings your average Derry supporter is aware that their performance wasn't good enough and I still sense that he believes that refereeing decisions denied. He still hasn't emotionally detached himself from the defeat. Not a good mind-set when trying to coach for the next game.
I think Derry are in a nothing to lose place as they were hard done by v Donegal regarding not getting their own penalty and now having to get themselves back into a winning mentality within 6 days.
It is possible, though history would state otherwise.
A lot of hype around Kildare in the past month with talk of them being in the top 3 now. Could this seep into the players heads and along with the huge score they put up v Laois they could be in for a shock awakening.
If Eoin B was playing I would put a few Euro on them but with they looking rather toothless last week I'm not so sure.
As Lynchboy said if they kick the ball into their FF line a bit faster then they might have a good chance.
It will suit them better to play a team like Kildare who will be more intent on going forward and winning the game rather than suffocating Derry. It could actually be a high scoring affair and Kildare will find Derry's defence hard enough to break down.
Could be Muldoon's last game so he needs to lift it a lot from the Ulster final and to be honest I would have him in at FF as he will win ball in there.
I'm gonna stick my neck out and go for a shock Derry win by 2 points with Kildare totally underestimating them. As long as Derry aren't too put off with the space they'll have in Croker.
hypes a killer............................................... gets to lads heads
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/oxegen-visit-ends-on-sour-note-for-kildares-hurley-2825837.html
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 20, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
hypes a killer............................................... gets to lads heads
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/oxegen-visit-ends-on-sour-note-for-kildares-hurley-2825837.html
What has that gone to do with hype or the game versus Derry? Seriously you never cease to amaze me.
Can someone ban this clown?
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 20, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
hypes a killer............................................... gets to lads heads
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/oxegen-visit-ends-on-sour-note-for-kildares-hurley-2825837.html
What has that gone to do with hype or the game versus Derry? Seriously you never cease to amaze me.
you are over reacting, I thought geezer had an iron grip on the squad that is all
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Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 20, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
hypes a killer............................................... gets to lads heads
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/oxegen-visit-ends-on-sour-note-for-kildares-hurley-2825837.html
What has that gone to do with hype or the game versus Derry? Seriously you never cease to amaze me.
you are over reacting, I thought geezer had an iron grip on the squad that is all
He's a 19 year old young fella who went on the piss - he doesn't deserve to have his name on the front page of the Indo.
Unfortunately the Irish media seems to be going down this road more and more - the GPA choose their battles to have the big stories pulled, but I don't believe there is an appetite in Ireland for this sort of stuff - unless someone commits a serious crime we shouldn't be reading about this.
Will you get over your obsession with Kildare - they're media darlings at the moment, but that's not a situation of their making - God knows we complained about it often enough in the past..
He's back after making an apology to the rest of the panel anyway. Nothing to see here. Typical gutter press nonsense from the Indo.
The expense of Clones on Sun means I won't be in croker on Sat, for a family man it is out of the question. The Kildare people must be delighted with the venue and is an extra bonus to them as if they needed one. I wish Derry all the best of luck and hope they at least get a fair ref but I would not count on it
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
The expense of Clones on Sun means I won't be in croker on Sat, for a family man it is out of the question. The Kildare people must be delighted with the venue and is an extra bonus to them as if they needed one. I wish Derry all the best of luck and hope they at least get a fair ref but I would not count on it
The ref is one Syl Doyle, did the first Kildare v Meath game but also did the Kildare v Derry game in the league. Not a a bad ref in fairness..
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
The expense of Clones on Sun means I won't be in croker on Sat, for a family man it is out of the question. The Kildare people must be delighted with the venue and is an extra bonus to them as if they needed one. I wish Derry all the best of luck and hope they at least get a fair ref but I would not count on it
The ref is one Syl Doyle, did the first Kildare v Meath game but also did the Kildare v Derry game in the league. Not a a bad ref in fairness..
I am now extra worried that a Kildare man thinks he is a good ref, that is meant to be joke btw
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
The expense of Clones on Sun means I won't be in croker on Sat, for a family man it is out of the question. The Kildare people must be delighted with the venue and is an extra bonus to them as if they needed one. I wish Derry all the best of luck and hope they at least get a fair ref but I would not count on it
I would have preferred Cavan, Clones or even Newry. I'm sick of Croke Park these days. It's soulless when it's not full. Better still we could have tossed for home venue. Enjoyed the trip up to Celtic Park last year.
I'm sure the players are happy with the decision though.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
Yea I know what he is doing but he has failed to address his and his teams failings your average Derry supporter is aware that their performance wasn't good enough and I still sense that he believes that refereeing decisions denied. He still hasn't emotionally detached himself from the defeat. Not a good mind-set when trying to coach for the next game.
think yer missing the psychology behind what he is publicly saying and what this means as a manager to hs team and their 'confidence' after a defeat !
You above all should spot this straight away with yer megabucks coaching background !!
;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
The expense of Clones on Sun means I won't be in croker on Sat, for a family man it is out of the question. The Kildare people must be delighted with the venue and is an extra bonus to them as if they needed one. I wish Derry all the best of luck and hope they at least get a fair ref but I would not count on it
The ref is one Syl Doyle, did the first Kildare v Meath game but also did the Kildare v Derry game in the league. Not a a bad ref in fairness..
imo he wasnt brilliant in the NFL game - mcloughlin should have been sent off (he came on in the second half as a sub) for persistent fouling in newbridge - less was made of it as Derry won.
still he's no worse than many and theres plenty i'd have him officiating ahead of !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 20, 2011, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
Yea I know what he is doing but he has failed to address his and his teams failings your average Derry supporter is aware that their performance wasn't good enough and I still sense that he believes that refereeing decisions denied. He still hasn't emotionally detached himself from the defeat. Not a good mind-set when trying to coach for the next game.
think yer missing the psychology behind what he is publicly saying and what this means as a manager to hs team and their 'confidence' after a defeat !
You above all should spot this straight away with yer megabucks coaching background !!
;)
Not at all, I think what he is saying in public is wrong he's not creating a siege mentality (Rule 97 of the GAA unwritten rule book) he sounds like he is still emotionally not detached from the defeat you don't need to be a psychologist to see that. He needed to realign the teams goals immediately after the defeat instead it's Wednesday and he is still talking about last Sunday.
Do you think players have a symbiotic relationship with their manager and they separate public comment from private, do you think they need to hear their friends and family talk about how your manager is blaming poor officiating?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 20, 2011, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
The expense of Clones on Sun means I won't be in croker on Sat, for a family man it is out of the question. The Kildare people must be delighted with the venue and is an extra bonus to them as if they needed one. I wish Derry all the best of luck and hope they at least get a fair ref but I would not count on it
The ref is one Syl Doyle, did the first Kildare v Meath game but also did the Kildare v Derry game in the league. Not a a bad ref in fairness..
imo he wasnt brilliant in the NFL game - mcloughlin should have been sent off (he came on in the second half as a sub) for persistent fouling in newbridge - less was made of it as Derry won.
still he's no worse than many and theres plenty i'd have him officiating ahead of !
jaysus I never said he was brilliant/good just not bad, i.e Ok if a bit fussy but reasonably consistent.
Persistent fouling is not a red card offence unless you're Eoghan O'Gara, Actually is there any reference to persistent fouling in the GAA handbook?
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
Are you implying that Donegal won because of the referee and not because they were quite a bit better than Derry on the Day?
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
But fundamentally McGeeney referenced out poor first half display in the immediate aftermath and drew a line and started to look forward and not back. Even in the subsequent media interviews in the days after, McGeeney always acknowledged the poor decision but he never blamed it for defeat. McGeeney is naive with many things but his player and media management is excellent. Kildare were told not to go drinking after that loss as they knew they were out in two weeks, they had already realigned their team goals from Leinster to National before they had left Croke Park.
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Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
Are you implying that Donegal won because of the referee and not because they were quite a bit better than Derry on the Day?
The penalty decisions had a huge influence on the game, Derry heads went down after the pen and Donegal scored two quick points on the strength of it. It also gave Donegal the opportunity to bring their well tried time wasting tactics into play, the failure to give Derry a penalty killed us altogether. Donegal the better team yes but the pen and other decisions gave them a huge boost to enable them to be the better team
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
As a matter of interest where do you think the match should be played?
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
As a matter of interest where do you think the match should be played?
Well casement would be every bit as fair to Derry people as Croke Pk is to Kildare, Newry would be fair to both
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
As a matter of interest where do you think the match should be played?
Well casement would be every bit as fair to Derry people as Croke Pk is to Kildare, Newry would be fair to both
I'm not meaning to sound smart but would those not be like a home ground to Derry?
Personally I think the GAA should have given Derry an extra week. But its the Ulster Council is to blame. The dates for the qualifiers are set from early in the year. They could and should have played the final a week earlier.
If the Armagh v Roscommon match is going to be the week later then was there a reason given why Derry v Kildare couldn't be the same?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2011, 03:31:44 PM
If the Armagh v Roscommon match is going to be the week later then was there a reason given why Derry v Kildare couldn't be the same?
They wouldn't fix two qualifiers a week later than scheduled in case Kildare v Derry ended in a draw too..
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2011, 03:31:44 PM
If the Armagh v Roscommon match is going to be the week later then was there a reason given why Derry v Kildare couldn't be the same?
I see what you did there :-X. Yes, I agree. They should have gotten an extra week.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 02:20:59 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 20, 2011, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
Yea I know what he is doing but he has failed to address his and his teams failings your average Derry supporter is aware that their performance wasn't good enough and I still sense that he believes that refereeing decisions denied. He still hasn't emotionally detached himself from the defeat. Not a good mind-set when trying to coach for the next game.
think yer missing the psychology behind what he is publicly saying and what this means as a manager to hs team and their 'confidence' after a defeat !
You above all should spot this straight away with yer megabucks coaching background !!
;)
Not at all, I think what he is saying in public is wrong he's not creating a siege mentality (Rule 97 of the GAA unwritten rule book) he sounds like he is still emotionally not detached from the defeat you don't need to be a psychologist to see that. He needed to realign the teams goals immediately after the defeat instead it's Wednesday and he is still talking about last Sunday.
Do you think players have a symbiotic relationship with their manager and they separate public comment from private, do you think they need to hear their friends and family talk about how your manager is blaming poor officiating?
by blaming the ref, he distracts the team from potentally questioning their own ability etc
a manager at this point needs to try and restore/keep confidence in their own ability.
IMO thats what he is doing. Its grasping at staws imo, but every little sliver counts when dealing with players, confidence and looking to turn around a team from defeat to competng and contesting a win.
Statistically and historically kildare chaps, does the away jersey bring or hold any vodoo or whatnot over the team .......................?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 02:23:45 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 20, 2011, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
The expense of Clones on Sun means I won't be in croker on Sat, for a family man it is out of the question. The Kildare people must be delighted with the venue and is an extra bonus to them as if they needed one. I wish Derry all the best of luck and hope they at least get a fair ref but I would not count on it
The ref is one Syl Doyle, did the first Kildare v Meath game but also did the Kildare v Derry game in the league. Not a a bad ref in fairness..
imo he wasnt brilliant in the NFL game - mcloughlin should have been sent off (he came on in the second half as a sub) for persistent fouling in newbridge - less was made of it as Derry won.
still he's no worse than many and theres plenty i'd have him officiating ahead of !
jaysus I never said he was brilliant/good just not bad, i.e Ok if a bit fussy but reasonably consistent.
Persistent fouling is not a red card offence unless you're Eoghan O'Gara, Actually is there any reference to persistent fouling in the GAA handbook?
yes, persistent fouling merits a yellow card and then a red card after a second/third offence - obv only when done by the same player.
An entire team can do it and get away with it, as long as it is once each and they can be warned/yellow carded over it but thats it.
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
As a matter of interest where do you think the match should be played?
Well casement would be every bit as fair to Derry people as Croke Pk is to Kildare, Newry would be fair to both
I'm not meaning to sound smart but would those not be like a home ground to Derry?
Personally I think the GAA should have given Derry an extra week. But its the Ulster Council is to blame. The dates for the qualifiers are set from early in the year. They could and should have played the final a week earlier.
yes they should have.
no point in whinging about it now.
I've never been to a game in newry. Cavan would have suited me fine. However as croker is less than 10 miles away, it suits me fine also !!
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
As a matter of interest where do you think the match should be played?
Well casement would be every bit as fair to Derry people as Croke Pk is to Kildare, Newry would be fair to both
I'm not meaning to sound smart but would those not be like a home ground to Derry?
Personally I think the GAA should have given Derry an extra week. But its the Ulster Council is to blame. The dates for the qualifiers are set from early in the year. They could and should have played the final a week earlier.
I cant remember the last time Derry played in Newry....there was a qualifier game maybe 5-6 years ago with a Skinner wonder goal but by no means would it be like a home ground.
Casement would definately be unfair on Kildare.....we'd have had a few games there, though rarely play well there and it would have been further for Kildare to travel I think.
Newry would have been a good choice I'd say.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 20, 2011, 04:00:10 PM
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: mup on July 20, 2011, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
The ref's decisions on Sunday had a huge impact on the outcome of the game fact, and it is only natural to be annoyed about it. Kildare people were and still are correctly annoyed about what happened them earlier this season, McGeeny livid to say the least. All Derry like anybody else wants is FAIR play especially as the match is now a home game for Kildare well almost
And Croke Pk is unfair to Derry so why is it being played there? Why is Kildare getting a huge advantage?
As a matter of interest where do you think the match should be played?
Well casement would be every bit as fair to Derry people as Croke Pk is to Kildare, Newry would be fair to both
I'm not meaning to sound smart but would those not be like a home ground to Derry?
Personally I think the GAA should have given Derry an extra week. But its the Ulster Council is to blame. The dates for the qualifiers are set from early in the year. They could and should have played the final a week earlier.
I cant remember the last time Derry played in Newry....there was a qualifier game maybe 5-6 years ago with a Skinner wonder goal but by no means would it be like a home ground.
Casement would definately be unfair on Kildare.....we'd have had a few games there, though rarely play well there and it would have been further for Kildare to travel I think.
Newry would have been a good choice I'd say.
Sure us affluent Flourbags would travel in large numbers no matter where the match is played. Once the horsebox is unhitched, our Range Rovers can ate up the miles on the motorway.
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Ye mightn't be in the humour for showing such charity if we whip yes :)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Ye wont be cracking them horse jokes
furlong!! :-\
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Oh aren't we sarcastic, you boys have not won yet you know
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Oh aren't we sarcastic, you boys have not won yet you know
You tell him clubman.
jaysus clubman I'm only mocking stereotypes - Kildare affluent supporter Derry no support..
No one in Kildare expects to just turn up and win we know we have been dealt a good hand and now need to take advantage..
Heffo,
Reillers is looking for you outside on the hurling page..
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Oh aren't we sarcastic, you boys have not won yet you know
You're not as used to them as we are in Meath.
The flourbags arrogance knows no bounds.
They're celebrating the win already.
(http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/wtf-bar-horse-drinking-beer.jpg)
"We're up for Sam............................"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yppU34GzDp8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yppU34GzDp8&feature=related)
(0:58)
;D
Odds are stacked in Kildare's favour obviously but don't think it's quite the forgone conclusion that some people are making out. Hopefully Brennan will start with a pacey attack minded team, nothing to lose now.
Thats it derry have a serious chance, in fairness if kildare beat derry well, I may sit up and take notice then.................... they havent done alot this year, league included, nearly got a draw out of ourselves, actually should have got the draw but thats history
Leinster football is at a pretty poor standard, ourselves included, we are sitting ducks in the 1/4s and I wont be one bit suprised to see us exit at that stage, maybe kildare will be the team to beat us ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2011, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Oh aren't we sarcastic, you boys have not won yet you know
You're not as used to them as we are in Meath.
The flourbags arrogance knows no bounds.
They're celebrating the win already.
(http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/wtf-bar-horse-drinking-beer.jpg)
Hope those horses don't come back to bite them on the ass come Saturday
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 08:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2011, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Oh aren't we sarcastic, you boys have not won yet you know
You're not as used to them as we are in Meath.
The flourbags arrogance knows no bounds.
They're celebrating the win already.
(http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/wtf-bar-horse-drinking-beer.jpg)
Hope those horses don't come back to bite them on the ass come Saturday
:-\
(http://www.theequinest.com/images/funny-horse-10.jpg)
Is there anyway to see the Derry Kildare game abroad, via the internet somehow or is there any defered coverage via the net or tv?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 20, 2011, 06:35:23 PM
"We're up for Sam............................"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yppU34GzDp8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yppU34GzDp8&feature=related)
(0:58)
;D
He's some legend. :D
You wouldn't see a hat like that in Lord of the Rings.
Quote from: clubman on July 20, 2011, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
Sure you could bring up the horsebox and give the entire Derry support a lift home afterwards...
Oh aren't we sarcastic, you boys have not won yet you know
Jaysis someone should explain banter and humour to you there's not a kildare fan on this board or anywhere ive encountered who thinks Saturday is a foregone conclusion far from it in fact. We all know we are not anywhere near as good as the pundits hype us up to be and Derry could expose us on Saturday
You can always spot a team on the rise by their numbers on here though :D For ages it was poor Dinny and the odd contribution from dellboy. Then DH joined up, and recently we've had a few new Kildare lads.
Based on precedent with Armagh and Tyrone, I predict an All Ireland in 2 years for Kildare, and 50 lilywhite posters on here.
Hmm interesting AZ.
I'll see can I round up a few more Tyronies asap.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 22, 2011, 10:05:44 AM
Hmm interesting AZ.
I'll see can I round up a few more Tyronies asap.
Don't be greedy Fuzzman - 3 AI's is enough for any one team.
Besides there are enough of ye nordies as it is - we'll have to start introducing quotas if anymore of ye join up.
Best of luck to the Kildare team today!! Go on the Lilywhites! :)
Is this on the radio anywhere?
Quote from: AidyMac on July 23, 2011, 03:39:24 PM
Is this on the radio anywhere?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8437990.stm
Derry Team news, straight from the mouth of Paddy Bradley on the above show:-
K McCloy in @ full back
Gerard O'Kane in at LHB
Ciaran Mullan in ƒor OBoyle
Derry 0-2 Kildare 0-1
Is this match not on tv anywhere?!
No.
Johnny Doyle has scored in 50 games in a row, some going.
Refs seem to have a prob with Derry according to radio bad decision after bad decision not going their way
That's not the impression you get from RTE, though they did say the last free from Doyle was not a foul at all.
Any word on crowd in ?
HT Derry 0-8 Kildare 0-11, Derry had a goal chalked off. RTE radio says small crowd mostly Down,Kildare fans.
jeezez,
400,000 unemployed and bernard flynn gets that gig :'(
come on the lillies ;D
any word on the derry scorers that first half?
looks like a case of the free state ref screwing the northern team yet again.
Legit goal ruled out for derry and several soft frees to kildare.
Adrian McGuckin saying where else would you get a ref, his brother and 19 year old son as officials only the GAA
Quote from: dinkydonut on July 23, 2011, 04:44:40 PM
any word on the derry scorers that first half?
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/gaa/40953/
free to kildare, free to kildare free to kildare.................................thats all i can hear on wireless.......................
What a joke the championship has become! >:( :'(
Sounds comfortable for Kildare 16-12, Derry need a goal with about 10mins left.
FT Kildare 0-19 Derry 0-13 impressive 2nd half performance from the Lilywhites fitness levels a telling factor. Dublin rematch in the QF?
What a joke of a ref Kildare must love this man. Derry were awful in the second half but Syl's 5 pts in the first half for Kildare prob killed their confidence
Now that Down are out, I hope Kildare win it this year - they somewhat deserve it for their obvious hard work and dedication.
Great win for us today. Good performances all over the field, especially John Doyle.
100 points in the qualifiers and scoring in 50 consecutive championship matches, what a legend.
Kavanagh's back to his good form and it was great to see Rob Kelly doing well again.
Roll on the quarter final!
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on July 23, 2011, 07:54:22 PM
Now that Down are out, I hope Kildare win it this year - they somewhat deserve it for their obvious hard work and dedication.
Me too. A Kildare win would be great for the game.
Quote from: seafoid on July 23, 2011, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on July 23, 2011, 07:54:22 PM
Now that Down are out, I hope Kildare win it this year - they somewhat deserve it for their obvious hard work and dedication.
Me too. A Kildare win would be great for the game.
What a pile of shite, so any of the other teams that are left don't work equally as hard ?
Kildare got a serious serious amount of frees today, fair play to them though they are in a quarter now........................id say they would fancy their chances now against dublin or mayo.................................................good 1/4 draw to get
Was a neutral at the game, Kildare probably marginally deserved it in the end, but by f**k it must be disheartening to be a Derry man this last fortnight!
Derry's goal looked legit to me from right under the Hogan, had it been allowed the result might have been different.
Syl Doyle must have had a sneaky tensheet on Kildare for he made Derry work for their frees whereas Kildare got plenty handed to them.
Derry ran out of steam in the end though and Kildare true to form finished the game flying. You can fairly notice the difference with no Bradleys about the place..
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 22, 2011, 10:00:23 AM
You can always spot a team on the rise by their numbers on here though :D For ages it was poor Dinny and the odd contribution from dellboy. Then DH joined up, and recently we've had a few new Kildare lads.
Based on precedent with Armagh and Tyrone, I predict an All Ireland in 2 years for Kildare, and 50 lilywhite posters on here.
So when are we going to win ours? :D
Only saw the 2nd half of this game. Comprehensive win by Kildare in the end. No team in Ireland could live with the loss of the 2 Bradleys and the defeat was always on the cards.
I'm afraid I have to say that the Derry support in CP today was abysmal. I saw only 4(four) Derry jerseys in the crowd/ on the way out. Team deserves better than that.
Quote from: Canalman on July 23, 2011, 10:57:59 PM
Only saw the 2nd half of this game. Comprehensive win by Kildare in the end. No team in Ireland could live with the loss of the 2 Bradleys and the defeat was always on the cards.
I'm afraid I have to say that the Derry support in CP today was abysmal. I saw only 4(four) Derry jerseys in the crowd/ on the way out. Team deserves better than that.
Derry have always been poorly suppported. The county is like no other in Ireland. It is the most parochial county out there, all they talk about is South Derry V North Derry V City. Shouldnt play at Celtic Park because it is in the City blah blah blah. Moaning and fighting with each other rather than getting behind county team. When it comes to hurling its even worse, just look at what Derrys senior hurling manager had to put up with. Tell me this where else in Ireland would you not get one rep from the county hurling champs on county team. For those that dont know I am talking about Lavey.
Derry cleaned out Kildare in the air and Diver was the best midfielder on display and if he and Derry had just focused on football they could have had a different result maybe it was just their game plan to try and slow down the game.
Kildare have serious problems at midfield, Flynn isn't 100% and Doyle just couldn't handle the physicality today at all. Won't be good enough for next week-end.
Just on the square ball the nearest umpire was fairly adamant and on the replays 1 replayed it looked legit and and on the other it looked like a square ball I'm sure Kevin McStay will clear it all up for us tomorrow.
We have momentum and we have players hitting form Kavanagh and Kelly were superb today, O'Connor is a handful for anyone and Mick Foley again was outstanding. Allied to belief it will be a good side that beats us next weekend if we get beat.
Congrats Kildare, hope yous win it now.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 24, 2011, 01:15:40 AM
Derry cleaned out Kildare in the air and Diver was the best midfielder on display and if he and Derry had just focused on football they could have had a different result maybe it was just their game plan to try and slow down the game.
Kildare have serious problems at midfield, Flynn isn't 100% and Doyle just couldn't handle the physicality today at all. Won't be good enough for next week-end.
Just on the square ball the nearest umpire was fairly adamant and on the replays 1 replayed it looked legit and and on the other it looked like a square ball I'm sure Kevin McStay will clear it all up for us tomorrow.
We have momentum and we have players hitting form Kavanagh and Kelly were superb today, O'Connor is a handful for anyone and Mick Foley again was outstanding. Allied to belief it will be a good side that beats us next weekend if we get beat.
He's working on his powerpoint presentation as we speak.
Overall Kildare always had the upper hand. Kildare will be a tough draw for anyone but they need Doyle up front. Kildare are very well organised at the back. Had a great view of it in the second half.
Derry have been unlucky and I think Brennan will feel with one or two of the bradleys available Ulster at least is attainable next yearl
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 24, 2011, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: Canalman on July 23, 2011, 10:57:59 PM
Only saw the 2nd half of this game. Comprehensive win by Kildare in the end. No team in Ireland could live with the loss of the 2 Bradleys and the defeat was always on the cards.
I'm afraid I have to say that the Derry support in CP today was abysmal. I saw only 4(four) Derry jerseys in the crowd/ on the way out. Team deserves better than that.
Derry have always been poorly suppported. The county is like no other in Ireland. It is the most parochial county out there, all they talk about is South Derry V North Derry V City. Shouldnt play at Celtic Park because it is in the City blah blah blah. Moaning and fighting with each other rather than getting behind county team. When it comes to hurling its even worse, just look at what Derrys senior hurling manager had to put up with. Tell me this where else in Ireland would you not get one rep from the county hurling champs on county team. For those that dont know I am talking about Lavey.
What about Paddy Henry?? Pearse McGill?? others were injured or touring Austraila or deemed not county standard.
Hard to know what to make of that game. With the lack of atmosphere it felt like a challenge match and there was always a sense of inevitability about the result. Once Derry had their goal ruled out, it seemed to put a halt to their early gallop and Kildare kicked on. On the goal itself, I must admit it looked legit on first viewing but the replays on the big screen did suggest that the officials were correct. Lynch should have buried it himself anyway instead of looking for Muldoon.
Kildare were cleaned out of it at midfield early on. Flynner competed quite well but he doesn't look match fit yet. Johnny was clearly targeted by Derry and he shipped an awful lot of punishment off the ball. It was only when Rob Kelly went out to midfield that Kildare started winning a bit of ball. All three of the full-back line were solid again and gradually got the better of their men. O'Connor and Kavanagh were very dangerous inside and kicked some good scores.
Kildare aren't moving as well as they were last year but there are signs that some of the important players are beginning to hit form which is encouraging. There are issues around the middle which will be exposed by the better teams - Flynner and Kelly will probably be the starting pairing the next day. I'd be hoping for either Donegal or Mayo in the draw tonight because I think that Dublin or Kerry would be the end of the road for this year.
Connolly - swept up well on a number of occasions
McLoughlin - far more disciplined in the past year or two and looks more comfortable on the ball too
Foley - safe as houses again despite Muldoon looking dangerous early on
McGrillen - made a few great gallops forward again, any forward would have been proud of his point with the outside of the boot
White - Chalky has not been at the races at all recently, will struggle to hold his place
M O'Flaherty - reliable as ever on the ball but Derry did have a bit of joy in the first half running through the centre
Bolton - was always going to struggle to repeat last week's heroics but he did quite well
Doyle - kicked excellently from the ground and got through a mountain of work despite being targeted off the ball
Flynn - might not be 100% just yet but he grew into the game after a slow start
O'Neill - had a fine game yesterday winning plenty of breaks, distribution was good and kicked one excellent point
E O'Flaherty - big improvement from last week, always has his head up but he is capable of scoring more freely
Callaghan - covered plenty of ground and kicked one fine point but tried a few things that didn't come off for him yesterday
Kelly - looked dangerous inside with two early points and made a difference around the middle when switched out
O'Connor - had the legs on McCloy and his confidence is sky high, will be a handful for any full-back
Kavanagh - kicked some great scores off either foot and linked well with the Clane man, needs to maintain this form if Kildare are to be competitive
Lyons - looks like a lad that has been playing championship football for years, will be in contention to start next weekend
Sweeney - Roli did well on his introduction like last week winning a few kickouts and kicking a point, useful midfield option
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 24, 2011, 01:15:40 AM
Derry cleaned out Kildare in the air and Diver was the best midfielder on display and if he and Derry had just focused on football they could have had a different result maybe it was just their game plan to try and slow down the game.
Kildare have serious problems at midfield, Flynn isn't 100% and Doyle just couldn't handle the physicality today at all. Won't be good enough for next week-end.
Just on the square ball the nearest umpire was fairly adamant and on the replays 1 replayed it looked legit and and on the other it looked like a square ball I'm sure Kevin McStay will clear it all up for us tomorrow.
We have momentum and we have players hitting form Kavanagh and Kelly were superb today, O'Connor is a handful for anyone and Mick Foley again was outstanding. Allied to belief it will be a good side that beats us next weekend if we get beat.
all well and good jumping high and getting yer hands on the ball if you come down without it !
You left out the two main men that gave Kildare the platform to win the game - OCallaghan and Oneill. Best game i've seen oneill play. McGrillen good defending and raiding from corner back was superb agan yesterday. Obv got great confidence from his outstanding display in last years qualifier.
Best team won. Best of luck to Kildare in the championship. Glen Ryan will really bring this squad on next year !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 24, 2011, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 24, 2011, 01:15:40 AM
Derry cleaned out Kildare in the air and Diver was the best midfielder on display and if he and Derry had just focused on football they could have had a different result maybe it was just their game plan to try and slow down the game.
Kildare have serious problems at midfield, Flynn isn't 100% and Doyle just couldn't handle the physicality today at all. Won't be good enough for next week-end.
Just on the square ball the nearest umpire was fairly adamant and on the replays 1 replayed it looked legit and and on the other it looked like a square ball I'm sure Kevin McStay will clear it all up for us tomorrow.
We have momentum and we have players hitting form Kavanagh and Kelly were superb today, O'Connor is a handful for anyone and Mick Foley again was outstanding. Allied to belief it will be a good side that beats us next weekend if we get beat.
all well and good jumping high and getting yer hands on the ball if you come down without it !
You left out the two main men that gave Kildare the platform to win the game - OCallaghan and Oneill. Best game i've seen oneill play. McGrillen good defending and raiding from corner back was superb agan yesterday. Obv got great confidence from his outstanding display in last years qualifier.
Best team won. Best of luck to Kildare in the championship. Glen Ryan will really bring this squad on next year !
What position will he be playing in? Morgan is doing well at centre-back. Dinny will obviously know more but Glenn seems to be lining out more in the forwards these days for Towers.
well if as expected , mcgeeney is offered the armagh job (and the money is right this time)....
plus imo Ryan is a tactically smarter manager than mcgeeney.......
I'd be surprised if McGeeney doesn't stay at least another year with Kildare regardless of the quarter-final result. With hopefully Earley, Kelly and Conway back in tow there'll be a belief that Kildare can give it a right good rattle next year.
He certainly seems to have a better relationship with John McMahon than with his predecessor as KCB Chairman. I'd have thought Aidan O'Rourke would be more likely to depart the Kildare setup if the Armagh job became available.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 24, 2011, 06:42:06 PM
I'd be surprised if McGeeney doesn't stay at least another year with Kildare regardless of the quarter-final result. With hopefully Earley, Kelly and Conway back in tow there'll be a belief that Kildare can give it a right good rattle next year.
He certainly seems to have a better relationship with John McMahon than with his predecessor as KCB Chairman. I'd have thought Aidan O'Rourke would be more likely to depart the Kildare setup if the Armagh job became available.
not the inidication I have heard from armagh folks. Just rumours though.
Youd better stop hanging expectation on D Early ever getting back to being anywhere near what he was. This time last year I said I'd be shocked if he made it back this season to play any more than a bit part. The poor hoor has had way too many bad inj, his mind is willing but I think any comeback will be brief.
Kildare have enough players to 'give it a rattle now' , Ryan has already shown he can do a lot with a small pool of willing players.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 24, 2011, 06:49:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 24, 2011, 06:42:06 PM
I'd be surprised if McGeeney doesn't stay at least another year with Kildare regardless of the quarter-final result. With hopefully Earley, Kelly and Conway back in tow there'll be a belief that Kildare can give it a right good rattle next year.
He certainly seems to have a better relationship with John McMahon than with his predecessor as KCB Chairman. I'd have thought Aidan O'Rourke would be more likely to depart the Kildare setup if the Armagh job became available.
not the inidication I have heard from armagh folks. Just rumours though.
Youd better stop hanging expectation on D Early ever getting back to being anywhere near what he was. This time last year I said I'd be shocked if he made it back this season to play any more than a bit part. The poor hoor has had way too many bad inj, his mind is willing but I think any comeback will be brief.
Kildare have enough players to 'give it a rattle now' , Ryan has already shown he can do a lot with a small pool of willing players.
Definitely the next man in line for the job but made a few strange calls as u21 manager despite getting to the All-Ireland Final - leaving out McGrillen and Cribbin especially when the team was weak at midfield.
Wouldn't write Earley off at all. Cursed down the years with illness and injury but always bounces back. Still younger than Johnny Doyle and would be a hell of an impact sub for the last quarter of games.
Think Geezer will still be at Kildare next year. Despite what many Armagh people want I cannot see O'Rourke being shown the door. If he isn't I would be quite pleased if Aidan O'Rourke came up the road to give him a hand.
Glenn is our best forward despite lack of fitness and training :-[
McGeeney and Glenn Ryan are actually good mates both will be in the same gig next year, McGeeney sees the talent coming through and knows he has a great chance of delivering silverware to Kildare, he's not a man to walk away from an unfinished job.
QuoteYou left out the two main men that gave Kildare the platform to win the game - OCallaghan and Oneill
All 3 half-fowards worked their arses off and O'Neill was excellent indeed but I thought Leper was quiet by his standards and went down a few blind alleys at times.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 24, 2011, 09:34:41 AM
Congrats Kildare, hope yous win it now.
Fine words and I have nothing against Kildare but unless Syl ref's their remaining matches they have no chance, Cork or Kerry simple as