What is the point in Cork having to Play the likes of Laois?
Cork will win by at least 25 points and Laois hurling will be further down in the doldrums.
If the G.A.A. are serious about promoting hurling in the weaker counties surly this would be considered a miss match if this was boxing the game would not be even let yake place.
I would like to see an All Ireland B Championship with the top two teams Qualify for the quarter finals of the All Ireland proper.
A 'B' championship would be absoloutley rubbish.If it's a mismatch in the qualifiers what would be the difference if the top two got to quarter final of the proper?
The Hurling championship in its current format has not worked for the weaker counties. I certainly would like to see more counties involved or at least in the final shake up.
Dublin have invested a lot in hurling over the last number of years and I certainly feel that they can make the break trough in time. other counties that could traditionally cause an upset (Laois, Westmeath, Wexfiord,Offaly,Antrim) are very scarce, as a result games like Cork v Laois are just creating a greater gap between the elite counties and the rest that just make up the numbers.
Really hard to see anything but a victory for the Rebels here, leaving a long trip to Leeside for the Faithful County in the next round...
Quote from: Offalylad on June 07, 2011, 09:50:33 PM
Really hard to see anything but a victory for the Rebels here, leaving a long trip to Leeside for the Faithful County in the next round...
True, and I said the same thing about the Galway/Westmeath game where Westmeath put it up to them and I'd suggest the game did Westmeath the power of good.
Who's the say Laois mightn'd do the same?
I don't think Cork are going to have it easy. They are far from the side they were 5 years ago.
If Laois are up for this, they could give Cork a tough time.
Quote from: horse on June 06, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
The Hurling championship in its current format has not worked for the weaker counties. I certainly would like to see more counties involved or at least in the final shake up.
You see, I find this line of thinking very strange. Every couple of years we hear the same old lines thrown around. "The current format is no help", "format needs to be changed to give weaker counties a chance". The format for the All-Ireland Hurling Championship has been changed numerous times over the last 15 years. The positives of this are that it has given all teams more than one game. However for the most part it has not made a blind bit of difference to the weaker counties, and it wont. How come in other sports I never hear this sort of thing. I never hear "well the format of the Premiership needs to be changed to give the likes of Sunderland a chance" or "The NFL needs to change its format to help rubbish teams such as Buffalo or Detroit win more games".
At the end of the day, unless enough work goes on within the county to help improve the standard of hurling, the GAA can change the format year after year and we will end up with the same results year after year.
Yes back to the Provincial Championships, less games and Antrim will have a chance (70 minute chance) of getting into the All Ireland final. Benefits are, less county games and club hurling will get better, thus making better (more off) hurlers
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
Yes back to the Provincial Championships, less games and Antrim will have a chance (70 minute chance) of getting into the All Ireland final. Benefits are, less county games and club hurling will get better, thus making better (more off) hurlers
I don't think anyone wants it to go back to the old system. Its better now though this years competition (mainly the qualifiers) has huge flaws.
But smaller counties can't sit back and wait for the GAA to make changes to the championship in the hope it helps the counties make the next big step. That work has to be done within the county.
The Cork Senior Hurling team to play Laois on Saturday at 3pm in Portlaoise will line out as follows:
1. Donal Óg Cusack
Cloyne
2. Shane O'Neill 3. Eoin Cadogan 4. Stephen McDonnell
Bishopstown Douglas Glen Rovers
5. John Gardiner 6. William Egan 7. Brian Murphy
Na Piarsaigh Kilbrin Bride Rovers
8. Tom Kenny 9. Pa Cronin
Grenagh Bishopstown
10. Ben O'Connor 11. Bill Cooper 12. Niall McCarthy
Newtownshandrum Youghal Carrigtwohill
13. Luke O'Farrell 14. Paudie O'Sullivan 15. Patrick Horgan
Midleton Cloyne Glen Rovers
Subs:
16. Anthony Nash Kanturk
17. Eoin Dillon Milford
18. Conor O'Sullivan Sarsfields
19. Ronan Curran St. Finbarrs
20. James Nagle Midleton
21. Jerry O'Connor Newtownshandrum
22. Cathal Naughton Newtownshandrum
23. Cian McCarthy Sarsfields
24. Michael Cussen Sarsfields
25. Jamie Coughlan Newtownshandrum
26. Brian Corry Ballymartle
Interesting to see young lad Cooper given a chance, good luck to him.
Brian Murphy still wing back again..he cannot and has never been able to play there, he's an excellent corner back, and that's where he should be playing, a blind man could see that.
McLoughlin is injured so he's out, but good to see Brian Corry on the bench, he's a lot of potential, hopefully he'll get a chance as well.
Hopefully Naughton will get a run out (that lasts longer than 30 seconds) and hopefully the lads will deliver.
If the guys up front can't deliver against Laois, well, (with all due respect to Laois, who will be no walkover) we are well and truly fucked.
Hopefully it will be a good game and our lads will get a bit more experience.
Laois do seem to be improving over the last couple of years but i think Cork will have far to much for them in this game. Cork to win by 10+ points
Final Score (from RTE website):
Laois 1-13 Cork 10(ten)-20!!!!
Cork by 34!
10 goals in a championship match!!!
Quote from: AQMP on June 18, 2011, 04:50:25 PM
Final Score (from RTE website):
Laois 1-13 Cork 10(ten)-20!!!!
Cork by 34!
Beat the handicap then :D
When is the last time a team scored 10 goals in a championship match?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 18, 2011, 07:56:01 PM
When is the last time a team scored 10 goals in a championship match?
some teams wouldnt score it in 5-10 years of cship matches, hurling or football
That was ridiculous. Plain and simple. Cork were good, but Laois were shocking. Good performance from a young team, but there's really not much to take from it.
QuoteWhen is the last time a team scored 10 goals in a championship match?
1963 or so when Dublin knocked in 10 against Longford in the (football) Leinster championship. That said we scored 3!
Another and maybe the final nail in Laois hurling.
The current format is certainly making the gap between the elite counties and the rest larger every year and the GAA will not react until it is far too late. 15/20 years ago Laois could compete with most teams in the leinster championship now they are just whipping boys other counties are in the same situation (Westmeath, Carlow, Wexford)
then we have counties that are currently just hanging in there (Offaly, Clare, Galway) hurling will suffer in these counties over the next couple of years if the current system is persisted with.
Laois hurling was well ahead of Dublin hurling 10-15 years ago. The format hasn't sopped Dublin's progress.
I don't think its fair to class Wexford in the same category as Carlow and Westmeath either.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
Laois hurling was well ahead of Dublin hurling 10-15 years ago. The format hasn't sopped Dublin's progress.
I don't think its fair to class Wexford in the same category as Carlow and Westmeath either.
How much money has been invested in Dublin hurling in that period to get it to this level? Did Laois even get a fraction of that investment? How can Laois compete on the pitch when it's not a level playing field off it.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
Laois hurling was well ahead of Dublin hurling 10-15 years ago. The format hasn't sopped Dublin's progress.
I don't think its fair to class Wexford in the same category as Carlow and Westmeath either.
How much money has been invested in Dublin hurling in that period to get it to this level? Did Laois even get a fraction of that investment? How can Laois compete on the pitch when it's not a level playing field off it.
Is there an applause emoticon? 100% agree Dinny. It's great to see the Dubs using their investment wisely, and now it's time for the GAA to extend that template to other counties.
That said, counties like Offaly, Laois, Limerick etc are not making the best of what they have. Westmeath and Wexford are doing much better jobs with similar or smaller resources.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
Laois hurling was well ahead of Dublin hurling 10-15 years ago. The format hasn't sopped Dublin's progress.
I don't think its fair to class Wexford in the same category as Carlow and Westmeath either.
How much money has been invested in Dublin hurling in that period to get it to this level? Did Laois even get a fraction of that investment? How can Laois compete on the pitch when it's not a level playing field off it.
If the money was there for Micko & Kearns it was there equally for setting up proper structures, development squads and GPO's - the Laois county board made their decision of what direction they wanted to go in.
Quote from: heffo on June 19, 2011, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
Laois hurling was well ahead of Dublin hurling 10-15 years ago. The format hasn't sopped Dublin's progress.
I don't think its fair to class Wexford in the same category as Carlow and Westmeath either.
How much money has been invested in Dublin hurling in that period to get it to this level? Did Laois even get a fraction of that investment? How can Laois compete on the pitch when it's not a level playing field off it.
If the money was there for Micko & Kearns it was there equally for setting up proper structures, development squads and GPO's - the Laois county board made their decision of what direction they wanted to go in.
Can you answer the question? Nearly all the financing of Laois football came from private backers and nearly of the hurling investment in Dublin came from the GAA, it is not like for like.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2011, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 19, 2011, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 19, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
Laois hurling was well ahead of Dublin hurling 10-15 years ago. The format hasn't sopped Dublin's progress.
I don't think its fair to class Wexford in the same category as Carlow and Westmeath either.
How much money has been invested in Dublin hurling in that period to get it to this level? Did Laois even get a fraction of that investment? How can Laois compete on the pitch when it's not a level playing field off it.
If the money was there for Micko & Kearns it was there equally for setting up proper structures, development squads and GPO's - the Laois county board made their decision of what direction they wanted to go in.
Can you answer the question? Nearly all the financing of Laois football came from private backers and nearly of the hurling investment in Dublin came from the GAA, it is not like for like.
The fact of the matter is the DCB expressed an interest in developing hurling and went to the GAA and asked for assistance. They put the blueprint for the next 10 years in front of them and said we can win a National Title in 10 years. Most of the Heads laughed at them. But gave them the money- all be it laughing.
The money largely came from the rentals of stadium for special events. Most of the monies from this fund goes to counties who want funding for special projects.
Its not Dublin's fault other county boards have zero interest in promoting hurling. I've spoken to hurling people in Laois - so I know why they are struggling. The likes of Pat Critchley are doing huge work there with limited county board interest. If he was appointed as Laoi's Director of Hurling with county board support I've no doubt laois could be very competitive.
Its amazing the conspiracy theorists come out in force once finance and Dublin are mentioned together. Like most things in the GAA its politics thats prevents progress. And its County Board politics that has Westmeath and Laois hurling where it is.
QuoteIts amazing the conspiracy theorists come out in force once finance and Dublin are mentioned together. Like most things in the GAA its politics thats prevents progress. And its County Board politics that has Westmeath and Laois hurling where it is.
What planet are you living on? Who is talking about conspiracy theories?
The Dublin model is to be admired and I genuinely want to see them do well but it has the full backing of the GAA, no other project would have got such support. It has been almost 15 years in the making.
Westmeath and Laois is where it is because football gets the majority of the funding they are too small to be dual counties on their own accord, they simply don't have the population base to sustain investment in two codes.
Since you know the all the finance details, exactly how much have The GAA spent in getting Dublin to this level?
Amazing what one can find on the internet, while this obviously doesn't tell the whole story it shows that with finance and a vision what can be achieved.
QuoteAddress by John O'Donoghue, TD,
Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism
at the launch of the National Hurling Development Plan
at Croke Park, Dublin
on Tuesday 13th December 2005 at 2pm
A Uachtaráin agus a dhaoine uaisle,
Tá ana-áthas orm a bheith anso inniu i bPáirc an Chrócaigh, Ceanncheathrú an Chumainn Lúthchleas Gael chun Plean Forbartha Náisiúnta don Iomáint a sheoladh. Is breá go bhfuil a oiread sin daoine i láthair don ócáid thábhachtach so.
Tá ana-cheangal ag an iomáint le saol laethúil mhuintir na hÉireann. Is í an iomáint an cluiche páirce is sine san Eoraip agus tá siad ann a deir gurb í an spórt pháirce is breátha agus is mó scil ar domhan.
The Government recognises the unique place that hurling holds in this country and is anxious to foster the growth and development of the game. In this context, a Special Budget Measure of €1.25m was announced for 2005 for the development of hurling, in addition to €1m to support Gaelic Games in Dublin and €1.34m towards the cost of the GAA Grassroots to National Programme.
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/annual_reports/Accounts-Central-Council.pdf (http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/annual_reports/Accounts-Central-Council.pdf)
Quote
3. State Funding
Irish Sports Council Grants - Dublin Games Development 950,000 (2009) and 1,000,000 (2009)
Bottom line when it come to financial investment in Grass Roots hurling, Dublin are way out on their own. The proof is there that it works now lets hope other counties get the opportunity in future to follow suit.
Ans just to add this isn't about conspiracy or even begrudgary it's actually about admiration and what a county can do with the proper support and structures in place.
Good man Dinny. In fairness I think about ten years ago Laois got money and I remember posting about it on the board, They were selecting a panel of 25 players and interviewing them to be assured they would make a commitment and a full schedule of training was laid out and there was a big launch announced in the Leinster Express, but shur after a while the lads just went off on the drink again and I never heard anymore about it.
Of course Dublin got huge investment but unlike a lot of what is done in the GAA it is money well spent. All counties should get support if they put a solid plan in place and can deliver it.
My point was that the ills of Laois hurling have feck all to do with the championship structure.
Its amazing in your piece you completely missed the point Dinny.
Ie. Dublin went to the Govt with a coherent blueprint in place and that is why they got the money. It wasn't going down the drain. The door was open for any other county to do that. But they chose not to. The idea that we were simply handed a freebie of 1m quid to do what we wanted to do is the stuff of fantasy.
Its amazing how Magpie grasped the point exactly in one sentence.
Would Dublin get that sort of funding in the currrent economic climate now? No. They grasped the opportunity and took full advantage of it. And considering former county board men are quoted on the record in the last decade as wanting to burn every hurl in Dublin - its to those indivdiual's who put the blueprint together that Dublin hurling owes a debt that it can never repay.
And I dont buy this small pools of players rubbish. If you can get kids in Dalkey and Blackrock playing hurling - you could sell hurling in any county in Ireland- tradition or no tradition.
Eh! It was me making the point.
Seanie said the format hasn't held Dublin back, I qualified it by stating that it was the investment in grassroots hurling that has progressed Dublin not championship formats.
Heffo seems to think Laois squandered any money they had which isn't a like for like for comparison as highlighted by the additional government funding that Dublin has received over the last 6 years.
So just to qualify it yourself, myself, Seanie and AZ all recognise the fantastic work be done by the Dublin board and the friends of Dublin hurling.
It has taken a lot of effort, planning and financial investment to get this far, no county will get that support for the feasible future but the template is there now and we know it works.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
Eh! It was me making the point.
Seanie said the format hasn't held Dublin back, I qualified it by stating that it was the investment in grassroots hurling that has progressed Dublin not championship formats.
Heffo seems to think Laois squandered any money they had which isn't a like for like for comparison as highlighted by the additional government funding that Dublin has received over the last 6 years.
So just to qualify it yourself, myself, Seanie and AZ all recognise the fantastic work be done by the Dublin board and the friends of Dublin hurling.
It has taken a lot of effort, planning and financial investment to get this far, no county will get that support for the feasible future but the template is there now and we know it works.
I'm not saying Laois squandered anything Dinny, but irrespective if a publican, builder or whoever was paying for Micko's diesel, the same people could've been approached to support investment in structures.
You also seem to ignore the massive work put in by volunteers in getting Dublin to where they are.
Quote from: heffo on June 19, 2011, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
Eh! It was me making the point.
Seanie said the format hasn't held Dublin back, I qualified it by stating that it was the investment in grassroots hurling that has progressed Dublin not championship formats.
Heffo seems to think Laois squandered any money they had which isn't a like for like for comparison as highlighted by the additional government funding that Dublin has received over the last 6 years.
So just to qualify it yourself, myself, Seanie and AZ all recognise the fantastic work be done by the Dublin board and the friends of Dublin hurling.
It has taken a lot of effort, planning and financial investment to get this far, no county will get that support for the feasible future but the template is there now and we know it works.
I'm not saying Laois squandered anything Dinny, but irrespective if a publican, builder or whoever was paying for Micko's diesel, the same people could've been approached to support investment in structures.
You also seem to ignore the massive work put in by volunteers in getting Dublin to where they are.
Alas in our short sighted world there is no glory in sponsoring grassroots.
All hypothetical but I would argue till the cows home that Dublin hurling would not be in it's current situation without the financial support it has received over the last 10 years. You can have all the volunteers in the world but without the correct infrastructure to support them you're only going to get so far.
The point is Dinny they wouldnt have received a cent without the gameplan.
That was all any other county had to do.
Considering what some of our county board thought of hurling at the time its quite remarkable.
They will find it extremely difficult to source the same funds in the current climate.
Dublin have done very, very well, but at the end of the day, it's all about the money and investing in them, people will throw money at Dublin a lot quicker than any other developing county. I guess there is a value to having those D4 boys after all. ;)
You can have all the plans and effort and volunteers you like, sheer hard will wont get you to where you need to be without the money.
Who knows where Laois (or any other county for that matter) would be if they had been given the same funds Dublin were, and in these times we're living in.
At the end of the day, you can't expect counties to compete when they are not playing on a level playing field.
But you do the best with what you've got.
Some counties like Dublin build on the money they were given, and teams like Laois will struggle on by, time and time again. But at the end of the day, and I've said it over and over again, you do what you gotta do to survive when it comes to the GAA. Dublin, as a county, as a "brand" are much more likely to get the money and sponsorship's and all of that.
You do your very best with what you've been given. That's all anyone can do.
well done Cork. The spirit of Christy Ring was alive and well in this demolition of Laois.
doin their bit for hurling in the weaker counties.
Its only a little bit disappointing that they didn't get another 7 or 8 goals in the first half.
again, well done Cork. Exceptional day for our sport.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 19, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
And I dont buy this small pools of players rubbish. If you can get kids in Dalkey and Blackrock playing hurling - you could sell hurling in any county in Ireland- tradition or no tradition.
If you're referring to Cuala, most of those lads came through Clonkeen, not Blackrock. Its still exceptional to see anyone come through that school and play hurling any way competitively. The vice-principal of Clonkeen is a former Dublin football selector (his name escapes me) and pushes the games quite hard (theres a couple of ex-inter county players teaching there that are taking the school teams - Tracey, Gough, Schutte, etc came through there). So the strength of GAA in the areas you mentioned is based on tradition. Maybe not tradition of the area itself, but moreso the traditions of people in those areas who are in a position to exert influence.
Theres no doubt that more money is being pumped into the game in Dublin than anywhere else, but as magpie seanie said, its money well spent. Other counties should be following the lead, not chastising Dublin.
When Mick O'Grady took over the county team he demanded that the county board pump the same resources into the hurling team as they were pumping into the football team. They did and somewhat of a spike in fortunes resulted. Unfortunately the players just weren't good enough to kick on (we all remember the hiding Kilkenny gave them in Parnell).
Remember too that there was a highly-publicised 'director of hurling' position opened in the county shortly after. I can't fully recall who got that job (Diarmaid Healy maybe?) but it was quickly reduced to a part-time position and eventually done away with. Then Humphrey Kelleher was rather bizarrely appointed manager on the back of getting Naomh Mearnog promoted from division 2 to division 1 (mostly because they 'imported' the then journeyman, Gordon Glynn, from Galway). That was a ridiculous period for Dublin hurling with lots of crazy things happening (recall Kevin Flynn and Liam Ryan heading off to America following defeat to Offaly, a week before a qualifier against Tipperary).
Tom Naughton restored sanity to the setup, mostly because the players respected him (he had been a selector previously, either to Jimmy Grey or to O'Grady).
The point being, over the last 10-15 years, the county board were pumping variable amounts of money into the county senior team, and it quickly became evident that this was not the best use of the money. The county team do need to be looked after but the main focus needs to be elsewhere.
A couple of things that have majorly contributed to the progression of the Dublin hurling team;
- the primary schools
- the combined colleges team
- the power-base shifting back to hurling teams (as opposed to the so-called hatchet clubs). Specifically Ballyboden, but also the improvement in clubs like Cuala and Lucan, as well as Kilmacud putting more effort into their hurling setup again.
- the coaching structure (I doubt theres a club in Dublin without a full-time coach at the moment).
Theres still a lot to do but they're on the right road.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on June 20, 2011, 09:51:06 AM
well done Cork. The spirit of Christy Ring was alive and well in this demolition of Laois.
doin their bit for hurling in the weaker counties.
Its only a little bit disappointing that they didn't get another 7 or 8 goals in the first half.
again, well done Cork. Exceptional day for our sport.
You can't blame Cork for anything. You can only play who's in front of you. It's up to others to bring Laois up to the standard of Cork not for Cork to go easy on the opposition. You wouldn't expect McIlroy to deliberately fluff a few putts to make the golf more competitive.
Quote from: AQMP on June 20, 2011, 10:37:10 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on June 20, 2011, 09:51:06 AM
well done Cork. The spirit of Christy Ring was alive and well in this demolition of Laois.
doin their bit for hurling in the weaker counties.
Its only a little bit disappointing that they didn't get another 7 or 8 goals in the first half.
again, well done Cork. Exceptional day for our sport.
You can't blame Cork for anything. You can only play who's in front of you. It's up to others to bring Laois up to the standard of Cork not for Cork to go easy on the opposition. You wouldn't expect McIlroy to deliberately fluff a few putts to make the golf more competitive.
they didn't need 10 goals. They could have tapped over points. Just like Kilkenny did to them in the league 2 years ago.
Speaking as someone who comes from an allegedy dual county I can only commend Dublin for the progress they've made in hurling over the past dozen or so years. Instead of putting it down solely to money can we not talk about replicating that blueprint in other counties? There are dyed in the wool hurling people in every county in Ireland.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on June 20, 2011, 10:08:28 AM
- the power-base shifting back to hurling teams (as opposed to the so-called hatchet clubs).
The wha'?
Quote from: deiseach on June 20, 2011, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on June 20, 2011, 10:08:28 AM
- the power-base shifting back to hurling teams (as opposed to the so-called hatchet clubs).
The wha'?
no more clash of the tash
Quote- the primary schools
- the combined colleges team
- the power-base shifting back to hurling teams (as opposed to the so-called hatchet clubs). Specifically Ballyboden, but also the improvement in clubs like Cuala and Lucan, as well as Kilmacud putting more effort into their hurling setup again.
- the coaching structure (I doubt theres a club in Dublin without a full-time coach at the moment).
Theres still a lot to do but they're on the right road.
I agree BT7 with the points you made above, but, sometimes there is an element of luck attached to how a club like Ballyboden evolves and a lot depends on what interest the school principal has in hurling when the lads are young. In the case of Ballyboden/Firhouse we had Maurice Curtin (Daves Da) for years and he was originally a Cat and he had a passion for hurling that few could match. I remember one year his school won the u14's and he brought them around all the area in an open top bus. He is now retired but again, luckily, we have a Clare man, Mr O'Meara who shares the same interest. God forgive me but can you imagine what kind of a hurling team we would have in Ballyboden if those two men had been from Tyrone or Armagh! Had they been from Laois, according to what Im hearing the young lads would be playing 'ins and outs' every day, in and out of SuperValu off-lisence.
Have a read of this. http://thescore.thejournal.ie/broken-beyond-repair-a-timeline-of-the-laois-hurling-crisis-160499-Jun2011/ (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/broken-beyond-repair-a-timeline-of-the-laois-hurling-crisis-160499-Jun2011/)
agreed Bud, you'll always need that bit of luck on your side. Like the Offaly team of the 90s. Arguably the most naturally gifted collection of hurlers ever to take the field together in the history of the game. What were the chances of them all coming along at the same time, in a non-traditional hurling county like Offaly.
Whether it be a lucky bounce of the ball or a lucky twist of fate, no one has ever won big without that rub of the green.
34 point victory last week, 1 point victory today
Fuckity f**k f**k. We need a win against one of the top teams. We've pushed the likes of Waterford, Galway, Tipperary, Dublin and now Cork all the way in the last 3 or 4 years, but no wins.
Great effort by the lads today, but that's all she wrote for another year, one that's going to be opened in Division 2.
Lucky, very lucky. Deserved it in the end. Yes when you consider we were against the wind in the first half and with 14 men for 50 mins it wasn't a bad result. But still not good enough in the end. A better team would have put us away. Donal Og made a really important save, we looked comfortable with 15 to go but they got a goal out of know where.
Quote from: horse on June 06, 2011, 04:54:05 PM
What is the point in Cork having to Play the likes of Laois?
Cork will win by at least 25 points and Laois hurling will be further down in the doldrums.
If the G.A.A. are serious about promoting hurling in the weaker counties surly this would be considered a miss match if this was boxing the game would not be even let yake place.
I would like to see an All Ireland B Championship with the top two teams Qualify for the quarter finals of the All Ireland proper.
The match with Galway and Cork last night was some mismatch. At least in Laois they are not delusional enough to think that they are in the elite group of top counties when they clearly know they are not.
Huh. When Laois shipped ten goals against Cork I thought 'thank God we'll never be that bad again'. Talk about bad karma :-\
Quote from: deiseach on July 11, 2011, 01:24:12 PM
Huh. When Laois shipped ten goals against Cork I thought 'thank God we'll never be that bad again'. Talk about bad karma :-\
But sure ye weren't. Ye only conceded 7. And we lost by more to Kilkenny back in 2005 or whatever it was. 6-28 they scored that day.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2011, 01:25:40 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 11, 2011, 01:24:12 PM
Huh. When Laois shipped ten goals against Cork I thought 'thank God we'll never be that bad again'. Talk about bad karma :-\
But sure ye weren't. Ye only conceded 7. And we lost by more to Kilkenny back in 2005 or whatever it was. 6-28 they scored that day.
You're clearly a glass-half-full kinda guy, AZ :D
I'm telling you, when you are standing on Hill 16, and looking down at the Canal End where the scoreboard and the time of day clock are side by side, your perspective can change when the team you are playing against (Kilkenny) is drawing with the time, 6-28 to 5-31. At least at 5-30 yesterday, the time was still winning :D
Lads, in Antrim we've been there several times and in fact were there again over the weekend (even if observers thought 19 points flattered Limerick a wee bit). Some of the scorelines from the late 40s early 50s were scary. I think Wexford scored something ridiculous like 12-17 against us about 1954/55. Nicky Rackard scored 7-7 (when they stopped counting)
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2011, 01:25:40 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 11, 2011, 01:24:12 PM
Huh. When Laois shipped ten goals against Cork I thought 'thank God we'll never be that bad again'. Talk about bad karma :-\
But sure ye weren't. Ye only conceded 7. And we lost by more to Kilkenny back in 2005 or whatever it was. 6-28 they scored that day.
Tipp eased up against Waterford,they could easily have gotten a few more goals,Cork didn't ease up against Laois.
Quote from: laoislad on July 12, 2011, 06:48:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2011, 01:25:40 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 11, 2011, 01:24:12 PM
Huh. When Laois shipped ten goals against Cork I thought 'thank God we'll never be that bad again'. Talk about bad karma :-\
But sure ye weren't. Ye only conceded 7. And we lost by more to Kilkenny back in 2005 or whatever it was. 6-28 they scored that day.
Tipp eased up against Waterford,they could easily have gotten a few more goals,Cork didn't ease up against Laois.
Where you at the game Laoislad?
lads,people need to stop blaming the system and look at the different training methods teams have.dublin are obviously doing big weights cos theyre just bullying teams off da ball!!!donal o grady spends 20 mins in training with limerick doing hooks and blocks (10mins hooks,10mins blocks) and i was at a galway training last tuesday (they were goin a bit lighter than usual after da game agenst cork)but they do about an hour practising match situations....look at their last 2 matches,its working for them
Quote from: stickman2011 on July 14, 2011, 05:06:55 PM
lads,people need to stop blaming the system and look at the different training methods teams have.dublin are obviously doing big weights cos theyre just bullying teams off da ball!
Really? How would you rate their stick work and first touch - given they don't work on this in training at all?
Look at these two fellas, as Babs Keating once said if you asked them to shorten a hurl the'd cut the wrong end!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73bA-2LSdBE