the news that garda dean foley has walked free from jail after admitting and being convicted of giving a man an 'unmerciful beating' is a damning indictment of Irish society. an antique clause in Irish law that allows garda and prison officers to avoid going to jail is yet further evidence of how sick and unjust the whole set up is. had garda foley been an ordinary citizen he could have been expected to serve at least a year of the 18 month sentence he received initially. does anyone in their right mind seriously expect any of the crooks who sank our country into decades of austerity to do any time behind bars?
Total shower of c***ts. All they are good for is standing on the roads with a speed detector and a breathalyser - god forbid those boys and girls on blue would get involved in anything DANGEROUS whilst SERVING the public who pay their wages
Quote from: lawnseed on May 27, 2011, 11:09:05 PM
the news that garda dean foley has walked free from jail after admitting and being convicted of giving a man an 'unmerciful beating' is a damning indictment of Irish society. an antique clause in Irish law that allows garda and prison officers to avoid going to jail is yet further evidence of how sick and unjust the whole set up is. had garda foley been an ordinary citizen he could have been expected to serve at least a year of the 18 month sentence he received initially. does anyone in their right mind seriously expect any of the crooks who sank our country into decades of austerity to do any time behind bars?
What exactly are you taking about here?
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 27, 2011, 11:13:56 PM
Total shower of c***ts. All they are good for is standing on the roads with a speed detector and a breathalyser - god forbid those boys and girls on blue would get involved in anything DANGEROUS whilst SERVING the public who pay their wages
You said exactly what I think of them sammymaguire! :D
Talking in general and not specifically in relation to this case, I personally belived the Gardaí do a very good job.
Here's one from SKY news this morning, from the UK. Looks like it isn't just in Ireland where the cops are a law onto themselves.
"Police officers were justified in pulling a student fees protester from his wheelchair and "inadvertently" hitting him with a baton, an inquiry has foundJody McIntyre, 21, was attacked by officers during a demonstration on December 9, but the actions of police were "justifiable and lawful given the volatile and dangerous situation", Scotland Yard's Directorate of Professional Standards said.
Mr McIntyre claimed he was the victim of an unprovoked attack, complaining that an officer tipped him out of his wheelchair onto the ground, then dragged him across the road onto the pavement.
He said the treatment amounted to discrimination on the basis of his disability.
But a statement from the force said: "The investigation, supervised by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), did not find evidence to substantiate any of the complaints made by Jody McIntyre regarding two separate incidents at the demonstrations"Whilst there is evidence that Jody McIntyre was inadvertently struck with a police baton, the investigation found that the actions of officers were justifiable and lawful given the volatile and dangerous situation occurring at the location and his removal from his wheelchair was also justifiable given the officers' perceived risk to Jody McIntyre."
Following the incident, investigators took advice from the force's independent disability advisory group, which recommended that guidance be developed around the most appropriate way to move a wheelchair user should it become necessary.
Acting Commander Carl Bussey, head of the Directorate of Professional Standards, said: "The allegations made by Jody McIntyre were extremely concerning and we have carried out a very thorough investigation under the supervision of the IPCC to establish the facts.
"The investigation did not find evidence to substantiate any of the complaints and, given how damaging these allegations were to the reputation of the MPS and relationship with both protesters and London's disabled community, it is only right that we report back and therefore publicly account on what occurred."
In a statement, Mr McIntyre said he would be making an appeal to the IPCC.
"Even with regard to my ejection from my wheelchair, the police officers involved try to justify their behaviour by referring to the fact that mounted officers were preparing to charge and that I was in the way," he said.
"I find it stunning that their justification for their violence towards me is that I was in the way of a violent attack on a crowd of protesters, which included children.
"Remarkably, the report even contains the suggestion that I threw myself from my wheelchair.
"Throughout the report the police officers involved have stated that they were acting in my best interests, and this appears to have been accepted by those carrying out the investigation."
Good to see all the keyboard warriors out in force looking for a punishment that even the victim didn't want (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/assault-garda-resigns-from-force-as-he-escapes-six-months-in-jaildean-foley-with-his-partner-outside-court-cork-courts-limited-2660147.html). The principle in law is NOT that a guard will never go to prison, it is that "a prison sentence had a greater impact on certain people in society such as foreign nationals, the elderly, the sick as well as members of An Garda Siochana and the Prison Service" and thus should be accounted for in mitigation when imposing sentence. The judge had already suspended twelve months of the sentence before this was taken into account so he felt it was correct to suspend the remainder. It would be nice if a discussion took place based on the facts but that clearly would be too much to ask
Quote from: deiseach on May 28, 2011, 09:06:52 AM
Good to see all the keyboard warriors out in force looking for a punishment that even the victim didn't want (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/assault-garda-resigns-from-force-as-he-escapes-six-months-in-jaildean-foley-with-his-partner-outside-court-cork-courts-limited-2660147.html). The principle in law is NOT that a guard will never go to prison, it is that "a prison sentence had a greater impact on certain people in society such as foreign nationals, the elderly, the sick as well as members of An Garda Siochana and the Prison Service" and thus should be accounted for in mitigation when imposing sentence. The judge had already suspended twelve months of the sentence before this was taken into account so he felt it was correct to suspend the remainder. It would be nice if a discussion took place based on the facts but that clearly would be too much to ask
...and without the usual predictable agendas.
Funny how an ideology that thinks we are all part of the same Nation also thinks none of us are should ever become part of an internationally recognised force that either polices or defends any part of that Nation.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 27, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 27, 2011, 11:13:56 PM
Total shower of c***ts. All they are good for is standing on the roads with a speed detector and a breathalyser - god forbid those boys and girls on blue would get involved in anything DANGEROUS whilst SERVING the public who pay their wages
You said exactly what I think of them sammymaguire! :D
You both haven't much of a clue about being a Garda so.
Quote from: deiseach on May 28, 2011, 09:06:52 AM
Good to see all the keyboard warriors out in force looking for a punishment that even the victim didn't want (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/assault-garda-resigns-from-force-as-he-escapes-six-months-in-jaildean-foley-with-his-partner-outside-court-cork-courts-limited-2660147.html). The principle in law is NOT that a guard will never go to prison, it is that "a prison sentence had a greater impact on certain people in society such as foreign nationals, the elderly, the sick as well as members of An Garda Siochana and the Prison Service" and thus should be accounted for in mitigation when imposing sentence. The judge had already suspended twelve months of the sentence before this was taken into account so he felt it was correct to suspend the remainder. It would be nice if a discussion took place based on the facts but that clearly would be too much to ask
Heres what i think....
What the victim wants in terms of a sentence is irrelevant, The court should judge the crime and punish according to the law. Would the judge increase the sentence if the victim said they wanted it to be longer?
Everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law. A 80 year old paedophille should get treated the same as a 30 year old one. Too sick or frail to be punished is a load of shite.
Quote from: laoislad on May 28, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 27, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 27, 2011, 11:13:56 PM
Total shower of c***ts. All they are good for is standing on the roads with a speed detector and a breathalyser - god forbid those boys and girls on blue would get involved in anything DANGEROUS whilst SERVING the public who pay their wages
You said exactly what I think of them sammymaguire! :D
You both haven't much of a clue about being a Garda so.
Nope, sure I'm a teacher. And we get it handy! :P
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2011, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 28, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 27, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 27, 2011, 11:13:56 PM
Total shower of c***ts. All they are good for is standing on the roads with a speed detector and a breathalyser - god forbid those boys and girls on blue would get involved in anything DANGEROUS whilst SERVING the public who pay their wages
You said exactly what I think of them sammymaguire! :D
You both haven't much of a clue about being a Garda so.
Nope, sure I'm a teacher. And we get it handy! :P
True.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPISMWa0SMU
2 cops cleared to walk free in NYC yesterday.
They were called to a scene where a woman was drunk, they took her away in the patrol car and brought her to her apartment where one raped her and the other stood guard, then they went away and came back twice to do it again. Even made a phone call from a pay phone to cover their tracks, an alibi as to why they went back to her apartment. They walked free but were fired anyway, two right dandy looking scum buckets.
Quote from: laoislad on May 28, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 27, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on May 27, 2011, 11:13:56 PM
Total shower of c***ts. All they are good for is standing on the roads with a speed detector and a breathalyser - god forbid those boys and girls on blue would get involved in anything DANGEROUS whilst SERVING the public who pay their wages
You said exactly what I think of them sammymaguire! :D
You both haven't much of a clue about being a Garda so.
Enough first hand experience to know how useful they are when you need them and what they are like when you don't
Whatever about the details or rights or wrongs of this particular case I really had to have an ironic smile at the Cork SF TD ( Jon O'Brien) complaining about somebody not doing time over a vioelnt assault.
I'm sure the relatives of young Quinn lad among others will be glad to know of SF's concern about perpetrators of assaults not getting jailed. ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2011, 04:58:04 PM
Whatever about the details or rights or wrongs of this particular case I really had to have an ironic smile at the Cork SF TD ( Jon O'Brien) complaining about somebody not doing time over a vioelnt assault.
I'm sure the relatives of young Quinn lad among others will be glad to know of SF's concern about perpetrators of assaults not getting jailed. ::)
I know. Dont you just love it when SF lecture on Law & order/violent crime etc.
Next a speech from Bertie & FF about the dangers of borrowing & non regulation!
Quote from: ross matt on May 28, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2011, 04:58:04 PM
Whatever about the details or rights or wrongs of this particular case I really had to have an ironic smile at the Cork SF TD ( Jon O'Brien) complaining about somebody not doing time over a vioelnt assault.
I'm sure the relatives of young Quinn lad among others will be glad to know of SF's concern about perpetrators of assaults not getting jailed. ::)
I know. Dont you just love it when SF lecture on Law & order/violent crime etc.
Next a speech from Bertie & FF about the dangers of borrowing & non regulation!
Didn't Bertie give that speech to Nigerian business or government representitives recently. (I am guessing you were being saracastic and were referring to this).
Whilst i agree that there is a fair bit of hypocrisy in the SF's yapping about the upholding of law and order there is a big issue here. The gardai in the NW where shown to be rotten to a high level and it would be a big surprise to me if their antics werent repeated in other regions.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 28, 2011, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: deiseach on May 28, 2011, 09:06:52 AM
Good to see all the keyboard warriors out in force looking for a punishment that even the victim didn't want (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/assault-garda-resigns-from-force-as-he-escapes-six-months-in-jaildean-foley-with-his-partner-outside-court-cork-courts-limited-2660147.html). The principle in law is NOT that a guard will never go to prison, it is that "a prison sentence had a greater impact on certain people in society such as foreign nationals, the elderly, the sick as well as members of An Garda Siochana and the Prison Service" and thus should be accounted for in mitigation when imposing sentence. The judge had already suspended twelve months of the sentence before this was taken into account so he felt it was correct to suspend the remainder. It would be nice if a discussion took place based on the facts but that clearly would be too much to ask
Heres what i think....
What the victim wants in terms of a sentence is irrelevant, The court should judge the crime and punish according to the law. Would the judge increase the sentence if the victim said they wanted it to be longer?
Everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law. A 80 year old paedophille should get treated the same as a 30 year old one. Too sick or frail to be punished is a load of shite.
Have to agree with that. Also why is perpetrators of financial crime would be more likely to get a term in an open prison(might be a UK thing?)? Someone that has actually put a lot of time effort into defrauding gets treated more favourably than your average Joe.
My limited experiences of dealing with Garda have been negative.
Quote from: ross matt on May 28, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2011, 04:58:04 PM
Whatever about the details or rights or wrongs of this particular case I really had to have an ironic smile at the Cork SF TD ( Jon O'Brien) complaining about somebody not doing time over a vioelnt assault.
I'm sure the relatives of young Quinn lad among others will be glad to know of SF's concern about perpetrators of assaults not getting jailed. ::)
I know. Dont you just love it when SF lecture on Law & order/violent crime etc.
Next a speech from Bertie & FF about the dangers of borrowing & non regulation!
I know, next thing we'll have Roscommon people on talking about animal welfare!
Or mane cyaaaavan hewers talking abot Charity ;D
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 29, 2011, 05:23:31 AM
Quote from: ross matt on May 28, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2011, 04:58:04 PM
Whatever about the details or rights or wrongs of this particular case I really had to have an ironic smile at the Cork SF TD ( Jon O'Brien) complaining about somebody not doing time over a vioelnt assault.
I'm sure the relatives of young Quinn lad among others will be glad to know of SF's concern about perpetrators of assaults not getting jailed. ::)
I know. Dont you just love it when SF lecture on Law & order/violent crime etc.
Next a speech from Bertie & FF about the dangers of borrowing & non regulation!
Didn't Bertie give that speech to Nigerian business or government representitives recently. (I am guessing you were being saracastic and were referring to this).
I was being sarcastic MGHU. But I was even thinking about his Nigerian speech when I posted. But good point. Even better!
Quote from: deiseach on May 28, 2011, 09:06:52 AM
Good to see all the keyboard warriors out in force looking for a punishment that even the victim didn't want (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/assault-garda-resigns-from-force-as-he-escapes-six-months-in-jaildean-foley-with-his-partner-outside-court-cork-courts-limited-2660147.html)
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The victim was paid a sum of money by the Guard. Who knows, maybe that money was paid for such a favour?
QuoteThe principle in law is NOT that a guard will never go to prison, it is that "a prison sentence had a greater impact on certain people in society such as foreign nationals, the elderly, the sick as well as members of An Garda Siochana and the Prison Service" and thus should be accounted for in mitigation when imposing sentence. The judge had already suspended twelve months of the sentence before this was taken into account so he felt it was correct to suspend the remainder. It would be nice if a discussion took place based on the facts but that clearly would be too much to ask
What would an appropriate sentence be for any first offender convicted of a serious, brutal, unprovoked and unmerciful assault? What would be an appropriate sentence if that person was a Guard or prison officer?
"It is a far more difficult sentence for him (a garda) than for anyone else," he argued.
Mr O'Sullivan said this was a significant principle in sentencing, and pointed out that, in the Midlands Prison, the garda would be kept in a special wing, segregated from the rest of the prison population and would have to spend most of his time in his cell.´That special wing sounds a hell of a lot lot cushier than the spartan surroundings and facilities of Mountjoy jail.
I don't fall for that explanation that time served in the Midlands special wing is worth more than time spent in Mountjoy
And certainly not to the extent of serving no time at all for such a brutal crime.
guard gets 40000 compo because his flyfishing arm gets hurt :o ::) just read this in the star apparently this guard is a keen flyfisher and during an arrest this young guy yanked his arm... anyway his stroke and casting haven't been the same since :'( he cant put the fly just where he wants it so 40000 euros of taxpayers money will allow him to buy some fish or something... sweet jez
Quote from: lawnseed on June 01, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
guard gets 40000 compo because his flyfishing arm gets hurt :o ::) just read this in the star apparently this guard is a keen flyfisher and during an arrest this young guy yanked his arm... anyway his stroke and casting haven't been the same since :'( he cant put the fly just where he wants it so 40000 euros of taxpayers money will allow him to buy some fish or something... sweet jez
Die-hard 'republican' has a problem with official police force of the State - hardly a surprise there....
Quote from: Tubberman on June 01, 2011, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on June 01, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
guard gets 40000 compo because his flyfishing arm gets hurt :o ::) just read this in the star apparently this guard is a keen flyfisher and during an arrest this young guy yanked his arm... anyway his stroke and casting haven't been the same since :'( he cant put the fly just where he wants it so 40000 euros of taxpayers money will allow him to buy some fish or something... sweet jez
Die-hard 'republican' has a problem with official police force of the State - hardly a surprise there....
are you saying 'republicans' dont have to pay this guy to go fishing? Because i think they pay tax as well. btw he didnt lose his arm hes just not getting his fly where he wants it
Quote from: Tubberman on June 01, 2011, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on June 01, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
guard gets 40000 compo because his flyfishing arm gets hurt :o ::) just read this in the star apparently this guard is a keen flyfisher and during an arrest this young guy yanked his arm... anyway his stroke and casting haven't been the same since :'( he cant put the fly just where he wants it so 40000 euros of taxpayers money will allow him to buy some fish or something... sweet jez
Die-hard 'republican' has a problem with official police force of the State - hardly a surprise there....
Ref, REF, of the ball!!
Quote from: Main Street on May 29, 2011, 11:09:45 PM
What would an appropriate sentence be for any first offender convicted of a serious, brutal, unprovoked and unmerciful assault? What would be an appropriate sentence if that person was a Guard or prison officer?
It seems that the appropriate sentence is 18 months. Whether you think it should be higher in general is not the issue in this case. No one has suggested that another person would have been treated differently. However, 12 months of that sentence was suspended, presumbably due to previous good behaviour and pleading guilty. The only way he was treated differently for being a guard was having another six months suspended which was perfectly consistent with legal precedent.
The jury in the trial of four Waterford-based gardaí in connection with an assault has found two of them guilty.
The jury in the trial of four Waterford-based gardaí in connection with an assault last year has found two of them guilty.
Garda Daniel Hickey has been found guilty of assault causing harm to Anthony Holness on New Street in the city in January last year, while Garda John Burke has been found guilty of intending to pervert the course of justice.
Sgt Alan Kissane has been found not guilty and a verdict has not yet been reached on Sgt Martha McEnery.
The jury will resume its deliberations on Monday.
seems like the waterford case was just too bad to ignore 1 guard has packed it in and the other 3 are to be disciplined or sacked. dont have a problem with the guys who gave your man a doing the other fella who turned the camera away knew exactly what he was doing i'd give him 3 years >:(