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Title: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: lawnseed on April 13, 2011, 11:37:13 PM
how many celebs stars or people in the public eye are actually born irish.. pearse brosnan thats easy his name is typically irish but how many paddys are plodding away irish on the QT

e.g wilfred bramble alias  steptoe born in dublin 99 years ago
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: muppet on April 14, 2011, 12:06:22 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 13, 2011, 11:37:13 PM
how many celebs stars or people in the public eye are actually born irish.. pearse brosnan thats easy his name is typically irish but how many paddys are plodding away irish on the QT

e.g wilfred bramble alias  steptoe born in dublin 99 years ago

James Connolly thought he was from Monaghan.  ;)
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: ziggysego on April 14, 2011, 12:11:50 AM
Sam Neil was born in Omagh.
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Post by: Capt Pat on April 14, 2011, 12:35:37 AM
Osama Bin Laden is actually from Longford.
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Post by: john mcgill on April 14, 2011, 02:31:01 AM
Hitler's sister in law!
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Post by: ONeill on April 14, 2011, 07:10:02 AM
Susan Kennedy from Neighbours.
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Post by: rrhf on April 14, 2011, 07:24:21 AM
Conor Cruise O Brien
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Post by: Lar Naparka on April 14, 2011, 08:25:21 AM
Does Terry Wogan qualify as a celeb/star?
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 08:53:12 AM
Des Lynam of ITV Sport was from Clare I think.
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Post by: thewobbler on April 14, 2011, 08:57:27 AM
Nwankwu Kanu is from Ballyhaunis.
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Post by: rrhf on April 14, 2011, 08:57:42 AM
The countess
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Post by: ziggysego on April 14, 2011, 09:03:26 AM
Glenn Quinn (Roseanne & Angel)
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Post by: Canalman on April 14, 2011, 09:25:45 AM
Lord Kitchener............ a Kerryman.

Dermot Gallagher ex Premiership referee............. born in Ringsend.

Michael Gambon Actor ........... a Dub.
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Post by: AQMP on April 14, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
Jim Allister
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Leo on April 14, 2011, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: AQMP on April 14, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
Jim Allister

Brilliant - now I really am proud to be Irish.
Oh, and the enlightened Jim Wells.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
Wayne Rooney comes from a clan of knackers in Clare
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: ONeill on April 14, 2011, 09:51:08 AM
God was born in Glencull.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: ziggysego on April 14, 2011, 09:55:20 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 14, 2011, 09:51:08 AM
God was born in Glencull.

Got out as quick as he could.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
Wayne Rooney comes from a clan of knackers in Clare
But his most recent (settled) ancestors were dubs.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
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Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
Wayne Rooney comes from a clan of knackers in Clare
But his most recent (settled) ancestors were dubs.
Hard to know which is worse.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Orior on April 14, 2011, 10:23:28 AM
Lord (don't you lecture me) Laird
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Post by: Doogie Browser on April 14, 2011, 10:24:38 AM
James McCarthy (Wigan & Scotland Ireland)
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Post by: Bensars on April 14, 2011, 10:40:58 AM
Graham mc Dowell
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: clareman on April 14, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Quote from: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
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Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
Wayne Rooney comes from a clan of knackers in Clare
But his most recent (settled) ancestors were dubs.
Hard to know which is worse.
WTF? What did we do to ye!!??
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Shamrock Shore on April 14, 2011, 11:29:46 AM
QuoteOsama Bin Laden is actually from Longford.

This it true

Played minor for the Connollys in 1974 but after a torrid encounter agin Granard in the Minor semi final of that year - the same day that Mostrim bate Clonguish to qualify for the senior final versus Ardagh - decided that football was too rough and fecked off to Pakistan.

The rest, as they say, is infamy.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: spuds on April 14, 2011, 12:27:02 PM
Sam Allardyce
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Post by: nrico2006 on April 14, 2011, 12:28:49 PM
Lindsay Lohans da.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Clown on April 14, 2011, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: spuds on April 14, 2011, 12:27:02 PM
Sam Allardyce

dont think so

he managed in the league of ireland years ago, think it was sligo rovers, he's English though
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Applesisapples on April 14, 2011, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
Wayne Rooney comes from a clan of knackers in Clare
Thats a slur on knackers...take it back.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 12:43:54 PM
Tony Cascarino
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Estimator on April 14, 2011, 12:45:19 PM
I read somewhere ages ago that Martin Short (Actor) and Clare Short (politician) were cousins and both hailed from Crossmaglen.  Any truth in this?
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born)
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 14, 2011, 12:54:00 PM
The Gallaghers (Oasis) have strong Mayo connections.
The mum's mum lived in Charlestown but was born in my own village.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Clown on April 14, 2011, 12:55:40 PM
Martin Keown
Paul Scholes
Brian McDermott Reading manager
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Estimator on April 14, 2011, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born)

Cheers Hardy,
Quick Wiki check shows that they are cousins, their fathers are brothers and emigrated from Crossmaglen. They were born in Canada and Birmingham respectively.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 14, 2011, 12:54:00 PM
The Gallaghers (Oasis) have strong Mayo connections.
The mum's mum lived in Charlestown but was born in my own village.
and their father was a meath man, one of them used to run about with a meath jersey on.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 01:02:25 PM
I don't like to admit this, but the Gallaghers are distant relatives of mine by marriage. Their aunt from Duleek was married to my first cousin. I think that's distant enough to be able to disclaim any negative associations, musical, sociological, yobical ...

The Duleek Gallaghers, funnily enough, are decent people.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 14, 2011, 01:11:49 PM
Xabi Alonso used to be a Meath man. He has the auld traaaan look about him too sometimes!
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: Clown on April 14, 2011, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: spuds on April 14, 2011, 12:27:02 PM
Sam Allardyce

dont think so

he managed in the league of ireland years ago, think it was sligo rovers, he's English though
Thought it was Limerick. Maybe both?
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Post by: BarryBreensBandage on April 14, 2011, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: Bensars on April 14, 2011, 10:40:58 AM
Graham mc Dowell

:D - Nadine Coyle
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: johnneycool on April 14, 2011, 01:22:08 PM
The quintessential Englishman that is Piers Morgan father hails from Meath I read somewhere very recently.

Got that wrong there, he was actually born Piers O'Meara in the land of the Biffo's.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:24:08 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 14, 2011, 11:29:46 AM
QuoteOsama Bin Laden is actually from Longford.

This it true

Played minor for the Connollys in 1974 but after a torrid encounter agin Granard in the Minor semi final of that year - the same day that Mostrim bate Clonguish to qualify for the senior final versus Ardagh - decided that football was too rough and fecked off to Pakistan.

The rest, as they say, is infamy.

Yeah, was at it - one of the Kellys from the Terrace hit him a slap and told him he'd find him later in Heraty's.  Osama never darkened the door of any hostelries in Ballinalee since.  And no loss either.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 14, 2011, 01:22:08 PM
The quintessential Englishman that is Piers Morgan father hails from Meath I read somewhere very recently.
Another reason not to like him so..
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 14, 2011, 12:54:00 PM
The Gallaghers (Oasis) have strong Mayo connections.
The mum's mum lived in Charlestown but was born in my own village.

Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 01:29:12 PM
Allardyce managed Limerick United (or City) back in the day. There's tales of him going around with buckets looking for money to keep the club going, in fairness to him.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Geoff Tipps on April 14, 2011, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 14, 2011, 12:54:00 PM
The Gallaghers (Oasis) have strong Mayo connections.
The mum's mum lived in Charlestown but was born in my own village.

Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?

From Wolverhampton but his parents are definitely Irish. Perhaps they are from Crossmolina.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Bensars on April 14, 2011, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 14, 2011, 12:54:00 PM
The Gallaghers (Oasis) have strong Mayo connections.
The mum's mum lived in Charlestown but was born in my own village.

Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?


Think he went on to front Black47 a New York based Celtic rock band. They were quite good back in the day
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Post by: Shamrock Shore on April 14, 2011, 01:52:45 PM
All Dem Beatles would have qualified to play for Big Jack as far as I can recall. Defo Harrsion called into his Drumcondra rellies when Dem Beatles played Dublin in 1963.

Chariman Mao's grandmother on his mother's side was from Bornacoola in Leitrim
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Post by: Doogie Browser on April 14, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
Princess Grace was Irish descent, Che Guevara had links too on his paternal grandmother's side. 
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Post by: gawa316 on April 14, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: Clown on April 14, 2011, 12:55:40 PM
Martin Keown

I remember hearing he came from Kesh in Fermanagh, any truth in it?
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Post by: BarryBreensBandage on April 14, 2011, 02:08:32 PM
Comedian Rory McGrath - born in England but apparently he spent his childood in Camlough, Co. Armagh, at the father's homeplace
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 01:29:12 PM
Allardyce managed Limerick United (or City) back in the day. There's tales of him going around with buckets looking for money to keep the club going, in fairness to him.
to pay himself?
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Post by: Declan on April 14, 2011, 02:09:06 PM
http://www.thepostgame.com/node/873 (http://www.thepostgame.com/node/873)
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Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 14, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
Princess Grace was Irish descent, Che Guevara had links too on his paternal grandmother's side.
The Lynches from Co. Clare, maybe he's related to Rooney?
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Post by: nrico2006 on April 14, 2011, 02:14:09 PM
I remember reading somewhere before that Martin Short's da was a stowaway and that is how he ended up in Canada.  Rhianna, Ali, Obama and the new Mexican boxing sensation Alvarez are all touted as having some Irish links.  Here is the page of those with Irish links from Bill Murray and Alec Baldwin to John Cusack and George Clooney.  This is a topic I find very interesting, and there was a decent thread on the Red Legs here last year too which is below also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_diaspora#Caribbean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_diaspora#Caribbean)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13181.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13181.0)
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: rrhf on April 14, 2011, 02:23:19 PM
Is George Clooney related to Chrsite Conney.
Like L he is!


Pass me the blue coat, please..
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: dec on April 14, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: Estimator on April 14, 2011, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born)

Cheers Hardy,
Quick Wiki check shows that they are cousins, their fathers are brothers and emigrated from Crossmaglen. They were born in Canada and Birmingham respectively.
Their fathers were also brothers of the late Paddy Short who ran Short's pub in Crossmaglen until he died a few years back.
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Post by: Canalman on April 14, 2011, 02:45:31 PM
Thread gone off track............... surprise surprise!!!

Stephen Boyd (Marsella (sic) in Ben Hur) was born and raised up north. Stumbled on a documentary about him on UTV last month. Have to say I was surprised to find that out.

Expect shortly to hear the old Cassius Clay/ M. Ali was from Ennis story.

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Post by: FL/MAYO on April 14, 2011, 02:50:04 PM
Quote from: Bensars on April 14, 2011, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 14, 2011, 12:54:00 PM
The Gallaghers (Oasis) have strong Mayo connections.
The mum's mum lived in Charlestown but was born in my own village.

Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?


Think he went on to front Black47 a New York based Celtic rock band. They were quite good back in the day

I saw Black 47 many times in Paddy Reilly's in Manhattan, the lead singer was from Wexford but one of the band members was an ex-member of Dexy's supposedly.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: dec on April 14, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: Estimator on April 14, 2011, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born)

Cheers Hardy,
Quick Wiki check shows that they are cousins, their fathers are brothers and emigrated from Crossmaglen. They were born in Canada and Birmingham respectively.
Their fathers were also brothers of the late Paddy Short who ran Short's pub in Crossmaglen until he died a few years back.
Cathal Short any relation?
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 14, 2011, 02:45:31 PM
Thread gone off track............... surprise surprise!!!

Stephen Boyd (Marsella (sic) in Ben Hur) was born and raised up north. Stumbled on a documentary about him on UTV last month. Have to say I was surprised to find that out.

Expect shortly to hear the old Cassius Clay/ M. Ali was from Ennis story.
Since he was over in Ennis visiting the rellies a year or two ago, I expect we all know that one, thus it wouldn't fit with the title at all.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 14, 2011, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: dec on April 14, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: Estimator on April 14, 2011, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Martin+Short+actor+born)

Cheers Hardy,
Quick Wiki check shows that they are cousins, their fathers are brothers and emigrated from Crossmaglen. They were born in Canada and Birmingham respectively.
Their fathers were also brothers of the late Paddy Short who ran Short's pub in Crossmaglen until he died a few years back.
Cathal Short any relation?

Yes, its all the same extended family.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2011, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 14, 2011, 02:45:31 PM
Thread gone off track............... surprise surprise!!!

Stephen Boyd (Marsella (sic) in Ben Hur) was born and raised up north. Stumbled on a documentary about him on UTV last month. Have to say I was surprised to find that out.

Expect shortly to hear the old Cassius Clay/ M. Ali was from Ennis story.
Since he was over in Ennis visiting the rellies a year or two ago, I expect we all know that one, thus it wouldn't fit with the title at all.

He was a useful hurler in his prime:

(http://www.hurling.be/images/ali.jpg)
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: nrico2006 on April 14, 2011, 03:12:20 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2011, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 14, 2011, 02:45:31 PM
Thread gone off track............... surprise surprise!!!

Stephen Boyd (Marsella (sic) in Ben Hur) was born and raised up north. Stumbled on a documentary about him on UTV last month. Have to say I was surprised to find that out.

Expect shortly to hear the old Cassius Clay/ M. Ali was from Ennis story.
Since he was over in Ennis visiting the rellies a year or two ago, I expect we all know that one, thus it wouldn't fit with the title at all.

He was a useful hurler in his prime:

(http://www.hurling.be/images/ali.jpg)

He doesn't look to useful from that picture, touch of a baby elephant.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: AQMP on April 14, 2011, 03:19:44 PM
Paul McCartney's mother was a Mohan from Monaghan
Kate Bush's mother was a Daly from...Clare??
Neil Morrissey (Men Behaving Badly), family from Cullyhanna
Elvis Costello's real name is Declan Patrick McManus so I'd suggest some Irish input there

My duaghter assures me yer wan who plays Becky in Coronation St is from Kerry??

Sir Michael O'Dwyer, governor of the Punjab at the time of the massacre at Amritsar was a Tipp man.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: deiseach on April 14, 2011, 03:25:28 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Kitchener-Britons.jpg/220px-Kitchener-Britons.jpg)

Up the Kingdom
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: ludermor on April 14, 2011, 03:26:20 PM
Quote from: AQMP on April 14, 2011, 03:19:44 PM
Paul McCartney's mother was a Mohan from Monaghan
Kate Bush's mother was a Daly from...Clare??
Neil Morrissey (Men Behaving Badly), family from Cullyhanna
Elvis Costello's real name is Declan Patrick McManus so I'd suggest some Irish input there

My duaghter assures me yer wan who plays Becky in Coronation St is from Kerry??

Sir Michael O'Dwyer, governor of the Punjab at the time of the massacre at Amritsar was a Tipp man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Kelly_(actress)
Father from castleisland.

Darren Fletchers mother is from Achill, the home of soccer.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: deiseach on April 14, 2011, 03:27:12 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 14, 2011, 03:12:20 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2011, 03:03:57 PM
He was a useful hurler in his prime:

(http://www.hurling.be/images/ali.jpg)

He doesn't look to useful from that picture, touch of a baby elephant.

But that's enough about the fella on the left
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: ludermor on April 14, 2011, 03:37:22 PM
Holly Willoughbys mother or father is from Foxford.
Stephen Mangans ( english comedian) father from belmullet in Mayo.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 03:51:19 PM
QuoteElvis Costello's real name is Declan Patrick McManus so I'd suggest some Irish input there

His Da was (is?) Ross McManus, a showband singer from Galway.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: nrico2006 on April 14, 2011, 03:56:27 PM
Peter Kay and Moyles along with Jimmy Carr all have Irish parents.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: seafoid on April 14, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
I remember back in the 80s when Culture Club  became famous and it turned out that Boy George's father was from Tipperary and RTE and the papers were all over the fact until it was discovered that George was gay and he went back to being English. 

I thought Martin Keown's mother was from Turloughmore in Galway.

Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Geoff Tipps on April 14, 2011, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: AQMP on April 14, 2011, 03:19:44 PM
Paul McCartney's mother was a Mohan from Monaghan
Kate Bush's mother was a Daly from...Clare??Neil Morrissey (Men Behaving Badly), family from Cullyhanna
Elvis Costello's real name is Declan Patrick McManus so I'd suggest some Irish input there

My duaghter assures me yer wan who plays Becky in Coronation St is from Kerry??

Sir Michael O'Dwyer, governor of the Punjab at the time of the massacre at Amritsar was a Tipp man.

Pretty sure I read recently that she was from Waterford.

All 4 members of The Smiths came from Irish families. Morrisey's father was from Crumlin. Would need to look it up but pretty sure Johnny Marr's parents are from Kildare.
John Lydon from the Sex Pistols also came from an Irish family. I think his father may have come from Tuam.
There's a load of other english musicians/artists that have Irish heritage.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 04:17:26 PM
Dare I mention Boy George? Oh, I just have.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: johnneycool on April 14, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 04:17:26 PM
Dare I mention Boy George? Oh, I just have.

Aye, 20 minutes after Seafoid had already mentioned it.

Keep up young man, keep up.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 14, 2011, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 14, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: Clown on April 14, 2011, 12:55:40 PM
Martin Keown

I remember hearing he came from Kesh in Fermanagh, any truth in it?

Family are from Galway I believe. He's usually around Galway a fair bit most Summers anyway.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 14, 2011, 04:33:03 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 14, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
Che Guevara had links too on his paternal grandmother's side.

His great-grandfather, Patrick Lynch left Galway during the 1840's.


Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Geoff Tipps on April 14, 2011, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 14, 2011, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 14, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: Clown on April 14, 2011, 12:55:40 PM
Martin Keown

I remember hearing he came from Kesh in Fermanagh, any truth in it?

Family are from Galway I believe. He's usually around Galway a fair bit most Summers anyway.

Not sure where his family are from originally but has a sister living in Galway.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Franko on April 14, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
Declan Donnelly (Ant & Dec) has relations from Derry or Tyrone AFAIK.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: isourboydownyet on April 14, 2011, 04:41:30 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 14, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
Declan Donnelly (Ant & Dec) has relations from Derry or Tyrone AFAIK.

your 100% correct,his dad is from desertmartin of all places and has a uncle living in bellaghy
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 14, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 04:17:26 PM
Dare I mention Boy George? Oh, I just have.

Aye, 20 minutes after Seafoid had already mentioned it.

Keep up young man, keep up.

I never said I was first :)
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Post by: 5 Sams on April 14, 2011, 04:45:45 PM
Jason McAteer has tenous links with Newry.
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 14, 2011, 04:45:45 PM
Jason McAteer has tenous links with Newry.

and John Aldridge with Athlone, but I presume we all knew they have some sort of Irish connection seeing as they played for Ireland. Tony Cornetto excepted.
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Post by: Dinny Breen on April 14, 2011, 04:58:03 PM
Aidan Gillen aka as Mayor Carcetti from The Wire

(http://gridwire.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/thomas_carcetti_mayor_wire.jpg?w=150&h=93)
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Post by: Dave on April 14, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 14, 2011, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: Clown on April 14, 2011, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: spuds on April 14, 2011, 12:27:02 PM
Sam Allardyce

dont think so

he managed in the league of ireland years ago, think it was sligo rovers, he's English though
Thought it was Limerick. Maybe both?

You are correct LL it was Limerick.
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Post by: Dinny Breen on April 14, 2011, 05:00:47 PM
Olivia Wilde has Irish citzenship aka 13 from House

(http://images.wikia.com/tron/images/0/0c/OliviaWilde.jpg)

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Post by: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2011, 05:06:07 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on April 14, 2011, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: AQMP on April 14, 2011, 03:19:44 PM
Paul McCartney's mother was a Mohan from Monaghan
Kate Bush's mother was a Daly from...Clare??Neil Morrissey (Men Behaving Badly), family from Cullyhanna
Elvis Costello's real name is Declan Patrick McManus so I'd suggest some Irish input there

My duaghter assures me yer wan who plays Becky in Coronation St is from Kerry??

Sir Michael O'Dwyer, governor of the Punjab at the time of the massacre at Amritsar was a Tipp man.

Pretty sure I read recently that she was from Waterford.

All 4 members of The Smiths came from Irish families. Morrisey's father was from Crumlin. Would need to look it up but pretty sure Johnny Marr's parents are from Kildare.
John Lydon from the Sex Pistols also came from an Irish family. I think his father may have come from Tuam.
There's a load of other english musicians/artists that have Irish heritage.

Morrissey once said that The Smiths were more Irish than U2!

Johnny Maher's folks hailed from Athy. He changed his name to Marr to avoid confusion with The Buzzcock's drummer John Maher.
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Post by: red hander on April 14, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
Why? The boy in The Smiths didn't play the drums  :P
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Post by: BarryBreensBandage on April 14, 2011, 05:22:36 PM
James Smith, George Taylor, Matthew Thornton - three of the eight foreign signatories of the American Declaration of Independence, were Irish.
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Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 14, 2011, 04:58:03 PM
Aidan Gillen aka as Mayor Carcetti from The Wire

(http://gridwire.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/thomas_carcetti_mayor_wire.jpg?w=150&h=93)

that was a shock, not as big a shock as finding out that Stringer was a cockney boy, but....
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Post by: isourboydownyet on April 14, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 14, 2011, 04:58:03 PM
Aidan Gillen aka as Mayor Carcetti from The Wire

(http://gridwire.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/thomas_carcetti_mayor_wire.jpg?w=150&h=93)

that was a shock, not as big a shock as finding out that Stringer was a cockney boy, but....

christ aye,i nearly choked on my dinner one evening when i heard him being interviewed on tv :o
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Post by: seafoid on April 14, 2011, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on April 14, 2011, 05:06:07 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on April 14, 2011, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: AQMP on April 14, 2011, 03:19:44 PM
Paul McCartney's mother was a Mohan from Monaghan
Kate Bush's mother was a Daly from...Clare??Neil Morrissey (Men Behaving Badly), family from Cullyhanna
Elvis Costello's real name is Declan Patrick McManus so I'd suggest some Irish input there

My duaghter assures me yer wan who plays Becky in Coronation St is from Kerry??

Sir Michael O'Dwyer, governor of the Punjab at the time of the massacre at Amritsar was a Tipp man.

Pretty sure I read recently that she was from Waterford.

All 4 members of The Smiths came from Irish families. Morrisey's father was from Crumlin. Would need to look it up but pretty sure Johnny Marr's parents are from Kildare.
John Lydon from the Sex Pistols also came from an Irish family. I think his father may have come from Tuam.
There's a load of other english musicians/artists that have Irish heritage.

Morrissey once said that The Smiths were more Irish than U2!

Johnny Maher's folks hailed from Athy. He changed his name to Marr to avoid confusion with The Buzzcock's drummer John Maher.

I remember learning French in 4th year and someone started laughing at the phrase J'en ai marre (I am sick of it) saying that he was the guitarist in the Smiths. 
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Post by: ross matt on April 14, 2011, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2011, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 14, 2011, 04:45:45 PM
Jason McAteer has tenous links with Newry.

and John Aldridge with Athlone, but I presume we all knew they have some sort of Irish connection seeing as they played for Ireland. Tony Cornetto excepted.

His Great Grandmother was Irish. When media questioned him about it being distant link to entitlement to play for the Republic Aldo said "Ah yeah but I was awful close to me great gran!" :D
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Post by: ross matt on April 14, 2011, 05:41:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
I remember back in the 80s when Culture Club  became famous and it turned out that Boy George's father was from Tipperary and RTE and the papers were all over the fact until it was discovered that George was gay and he went back to being English. 

I thought Martin Keown's mother was from Turloughmore in Galway.

Thought it was Keown's Grandfather?
From Merlin park are no???
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Post by: laceer on April 14, 2011, 05:57:24 PM
Morrisey has a song called Irish blood, english heart so i don't know how Irish he considers himself to be
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Post by: Denn Forever on April 14, 2011, 06:23:41 PM
Lawrence Dallaglio
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:26:44 PM
Patrice MacMahon

1. Marshal of France leading the French Empire to fight the Prussian Empire in the Franco-Prussian War.

2. President of the French Republic.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:28:58 PM
Henri Jacques Guillaume Clarke

Marshal of France.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:29:50 PM
Gérard de Lally-Tollendal

Commander of the Armies of France in India.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:32:48 PM
Count Peter von Lacy

Field Marshal of the Russian Empire.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:33:53 PM
Alexander O'Reilly

Field Marshal of the Spanish Empire.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:35:25 PM
Lord Kitchener

Field Marshal of the British Empire.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Lord Montgomery

Field Marshal of the British Empire.
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Post by: Capt Pat on April 14, 2011, 06:36:18 PM
No no no. RTE and the papers were all over the fact that obviously gay singer Boy Georges father was Irish. It was when they found out that he was from Tipperary that they went quiet about it.

Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
I remember back in the 80s when Culture Club  became famous and it turned out that Boy George's father was from Tipperary and RTE and the papers were all over the fact until it was discovered that George was gay and he went back to being English. 

I thought Martin Keown's mother was from Turloughmore in Galway.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:37:28 PM
The Duke of Wellington Arthur Wellesley

Field Marshal of the British Empire, Commander of British forces and her allies at the Battle of Waterloo
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:38:43 PM
Bernardo O'Higgins

1. One of the 3 main liberators of South America.

2. Leader of Chile.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:39:34 PM
Admiral Browne.

Founder of the Argentinian Navy.

Notiable victories over the Navies of Spain, Britain and Brazil.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:41:16 PM
Commodore John Barry

Founder of the Navy of the United States of America.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:42:47 PM
Che Guevara

South & Central American & Carribean Revolutionary of Argentinian origin.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:44:46 PM
Lawrence of Arabia

Involved in the liberation of the Arab peoples.
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Post by: fingerbob on April 14, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
Noel and Liam Gallagher's parents are both Irish. I'm pretty sure Liam said he would support the Republic before England in the likes of the world cup.
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Post by: Fear Boirche on April 14, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:37:28 PM
The Duke of Wellington Arthur Wellesley

Field Marshal of the British Empire, Commander of British forces and her allies at the Battle of Waterloo

But, as Daniel O'Connell is reported to have said: "No, he is not an Irishman. He was born in Ireland; but being born in a stable does not make a man a horse."
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:05:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on April 14, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:37:28 PM
The Duke of Wellington Arthur Wellesley

Field Marshal of the British Empire, Commander of British forces and her allies at the Battle of Waterloo

But, as Daniel O'Connell is reported to have said: "No, he is not an Irishman. He was born in Ireland; but being born in a stable does not make a man a horse."

Yes he is an Irishman, even if the Duke liked it or not.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on April 14, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
Noel and Liam Gallagher's parents are both Irish. I'm pretty sure Liam said he would support the Republic before England in the likes of the world cup.

There Dad is a Meath-man and their mum is a Mayo-woman. They used to be a regular feature in Charlestown and could be seen on the streets of Castlebar from time to time.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:11:20 PM
Mexico-American War: The most famous division of the Mexican Army, the Saint Patrick's Battalion, where mostly Irish.

Battle of Fontenoy: The divisions which drove back the British, Dutch, Austrian and Hanoverian forces in the service of France where the Irish Battilions in one of France's greatest ever battle victories.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:16:51 PM
Eureka Rebellion, Victoria, Australia. Birth of Australian Nationhood. The Irish where @ the heart of the Rebellion, they suffered the most casulties.

They where led by a Laoislad, Peter Lalor.
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Post by: Geoff Tipps on April 14, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:16:51 PM
Eureka Rebellion, Victoria, Australia. Birth of Australian Nationhood. The Irish where @ the heart of the Rebellion, they suffered the most casulties.

They where led by a Laoislad, Peter Lalor.

Sorry to be pedantic but it's annoying me now. It's "were" and not "where".
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:23:01 PM
El Zorro the Yellowbelly

Mexico/California's Zorro is based on Wexfordman William Lamport.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on April 14, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:16:51 PM
Eureka Rebellion, Victoria, Australia. Birth of Australian Nationhood. The Irish where @ the heart of the Rebellion, they suffered the most casulties.

They where led by a Laoislad, Peter Lalor.

Sorry to be pedantic but it's annoying me now. It's "were" and not "where".

No worries, it annoys me when I am reading, but I sometimes miss it when typing.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:27:25 PM
Revolutions in Barbados and Antiqua were led by the Irish & Africans.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:29:26 PM
Captian Thomas Blood - Religious fanatic and the man who stole England's Crown Jewels. Meath fecker.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 07:33:13 PM
Bridget Dowling & her son William Patrick Hitler.

Sister in law of Adolf Hitler and Nephew of Adolf Hitler.

Bridget helped in the British War effort.

W.P. Hitler fought for the Americans in World War 2.
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Post by: Agent Orange on April 14, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?

He has family in Newry. Think one of his parent may be from the town.

Ernesto Che Guevara Lynch to give him his full title. His father was from Galway.
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Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 14, 2011, 08:30:32 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:26:44 PM
Patrice MacMahon de Mac-Mahon

1. Marshal of France leading the French Empire to fight the Prussian Empire in the Franco-Prussian War.

2. President of the French Republic.

The French would be fussy about little things like that  ;)
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Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on April 14, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:37:28 PM
The Duke of Wellington Arthur Wellesley

Field Marshal of the British Empire, Commander of British forces and her allies at the Battle of Waterloo

But, as Daniel O'Connell is reported to have said: "No, he is not an Irishman. He was born in Ireland; but being born in a stable does not make a man a horse."
I thought wellington said that himself.
Quote from: Agent Orange on April 14, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?

He has family in Newry. Think one of his parent may be from the town.

Ernesto Che Guevara Lynch to give him his full title. His father was from Galway.
I think the relationship was more distant than that, but I always thought the it was on the mother's side and that she had Clare roots.  Must have a google on it.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on April 14, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:37:28 PM
The Duke of Wellington Arthur Wellesley

Field Marshal of the British Empire, Commander of British forces and her allies at the Battle of Waterloo

But, as Daniel O'Connell is reported to have said: "No, he is not an Irishman. He was born in Ireland; but being born in a stable does not make a man a horse."
I thought wellington said that himself.
Quote from: Agent Orange on April 14, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?

He has family in Newry. Think one of his parent may be from the town.

Ernesto Che Guevara Lynch to give him his full title. His father was from Galway.
I think the relationship was more distant than that, but I always thought the it was on the mother's side and that she had Clare roots.  Must have a google on it.

1. Wellington NEVER said it, it was indeed O'Connell.

2. His Grandmother was from Galway. She was his Irish connection.
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Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on April 14, 2011, 09:55:34 PM
Ian Paisley, Iris Robinson and Wee Willie Frazer.  :P
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Post by: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on April 14, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:37:28 PM
The Duke of Wellington Arthur Wellesley

Field Marshal of the British Empire, Commander of British forces and her allies at the Battle of Waterloo

But, as Daniel O'Connell is reported to have said: "No, he is not an Irishman. He was born in Ireland; but being born in a stable does not make a man a horse."
I thought wellington said that himself.
Quote from: Agent Orange on April 14, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?

He has family in Newry. Think one of his parent may be from the town.

Ernesto Che Guevara Lynch to give him his full title. His father was from Galway.
I think the relationship was more distant than that, but I always thought the it was on the mother's side and that she had Clare roots.  Must have a google on it.

1. Wellington NEVER said it, it was indeed O'Connell.

2. His Grandmother was from Galway. She was his Irish connection.
You may be right about the Wellington thing, but it seems that the Lynch connection is a bit more remote, after much searching this seems to be the most authorative writing i've found on the subject.

QuoteGuevara, Ernesto [Che] (1928-1967), physician and revolutionary, was born on 14 June 1928 in the city of Rosario, Argentina, the eldest son of Ernesto Guevara Lynch (1900-1987) and Celia de la Serna (1906-1967). Ernesto Guevara Lynch's mother was Ana Lynch (1861-1947), born in San Francisco, California, where her father Francisco de Paula E. Lynch (1817-1886) was the consul of Buenos Aires. The Lynchs were an influential family with branches in Argentina, Chile and Uruguay. Among their members were soldiers, politicians and intellectuals, like the Chilean rear admiral Patricio Lynch Zaldívar (1824-1886), and the Argentine distinguished writers Benito Lynch (1882-1951) and Adolfo Bioy Casares (1914-1999).
and then later on
QuoteIn Ireland and other places of the Irish Diaspora, Ernesto Guevara's life and thinking is sometimes linked with his Irish ancestry. However, Guevara's family and cultural connections with Ireland were far and remote. Two centuries and six generations of an ethnically mixed family separated Guevara from his ancestor Patrick Lynch, born in 1715 in Lydican Castle, Co. Galway, and member of a merchant family prominent in Jamaica and elsewhere in the West Indies. Patrick Lynch left Ireland in the 1740s and after traveling throughout the Americas settled in Buenos Aires in 1749 and established a successful merchant business. There is no evidence that Ernesto Guevara identified with Irish culture, though his father observed that Ernesto was descended from "Irish rebels" (interview by I. Lavretsky, 1969). However, Guevara was conscious of his roots, in particular the mixed cultures of his family. In an early diary with notes about his 1950 trip to the Argentine northern provinces, he recorded that 'the well-shaked mix of Irish and Galician [blood] flowing through my veins' had an influence in his determination to cross a desert in Santiago del Estero (Guevara Lynch 1988: 331). Nevertheless, Ernesto was proud of his Argentine origin and his Cuban nationality, and regarded himself as Latin American. One other possible source of misinformation was an interview on 13 March 1965 by the journalist Arthur Quinlan. Guevara was on his way back to Havana from Prague, and the Cuban Airlines aircraft developed mechanical trouble and landed at Shannon airport. According to Quinlan, Guevara spoke in English and talked of his Irish connections through the name Lynch. He went with friends to Limerick and stayed in the Hanratty's Hotel on Glentworth Street. Most likely, this was the closest connection that Che Guevara had with Ireland.

http://www.irlandeses.org/dilab_guevarae.htm
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Post by: Doogie Browser on April 14, 2011, 10:38:42 PM
Tim Pat Coogan's 'Wherever Green is Worn' is a must read on this subject, a comprehensive study of the Irish abroad. Just got it at Christmas and thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Post by: Olly on April 14, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
I'm nearly sure I read somewhere that Elvis Pressley was reputedly born in Longford or Bundoran or some 8-letter town in Ireland. It was in a book written by Dr Phil McGraw.
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Post by: deiseach on April 14, 2011, 11:27:19 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
1. Wellington NEVER said it, it was indeed O'Connell.

2. His Grandmother was from Galway. She was his Irish connection.

Good catch on Wellington and O'Connell, you learn a new thing every day. However, the Guevara link is pretty shaky. If this link (http://www.thewildgeese.compages/americas.html) is correct it was his great-grandfather who was Irish
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Post by: Agent Orange on April 15, 2011, 12:05:14 AM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on April 14, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 14, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Isn't Kevin Rowland (Dexys Midnight Runners) from Crossmolina?

He has family in Newry. Think one of his parent may be from the town.

Ernesto Che Guevara Lynch to give him his full title. His father was from Galway.
I think the relationship was more distant than that, but I always thought the it was on the mother's side and that she had Clare roots.  Must have a google on it.

There were Rowlands in Newry, maybe they were claiming him as their own.
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Post by: Niall Quinn on April 15, 2011, 12:10:27 AM
Quote from: Olly on April 14, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
I'm nearly sure I read somewhere that Elvis Pressley was reputedly born in Longford or Bundoran or some 8-letter town in Ireland. It was in a book written by Dr Phil McGraw.

I heard that too. Thought it was Portrush though, or Rosslare.
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Post by: Lar Naparka on April 15, 2011, 12:59:16 AM
Maureen O'Sullivan, who played opposite Johnny Weissmuller in a string of Tarzan movies and Maureen O'Hara of "The Quiet Man" fame.
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Post by: ziggysego on April 15, 2011, 01:05:17 AM
Leo the Lion

(http://movierumornews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/MGM-LION.jpg)

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Post by: spuds on April 15, 2011, 03:28:02 AM
Socrates the Brazilian 1982 world cup footballer studied in UCD and lined out for their winning fitzgibbon team in 1981 missing the final for a straight red for throwing the hurl at Sylvie Linnanes moustache after Sylvie commenting on his tan and all over body hair.

WJP
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Post by: Aerlik on April 15, 2011, 06:28:01 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on April 14, 2011, 04:41:30 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 14, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
Declan Donnelly (Ant & Dec) has relations from Derry or Tyrone AFAIK.

your 100% correct,his dad is from desertmartin of all places and has a uncle living in bellaghy

Shit.  that was one I was happy to give to the bushmen.

Patrick Dodson, the first ever Australian Aboriginal Catholic priest, had a grandfather from Co. Monaghan.  I used to fly him around the Kimberley in his work for Indigenous Rights and he was both complimentary and critical of the Irish in Oz down the years. 

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Post by: muppet on April 15, 2011, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on April 15, 2011, 06:28:01 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on April 14, 2011, 04:41:30 PM
Quote from: Franko on April 14, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
Declan Donnelly (Ant & Dec) has relations from Derry or Tyrone AFAIK.

your 100% correct,his dad is from desertmartin of all places and has a uncle living in bellaghy

Shit.  that was one I was happy to give to the bushmen.

Patrick Dodson, the first ever Australian Aboriginal Catholic priest, had a grandfather from Co. Monaghan.  I used to fly him around the Kimberley in his work for Indigenous Rights and he was both complimentary and critical of the Irish in Oz down the years.

Complimentary before landing and critical after?
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Post by: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
Mel Gibson's mother is actually from Longford.
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Post by: Canalman on April 15, 2011, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Lord Montgomery

Field Marshal of the British Empire.


No he isn't.
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: AZOffaly on April 15, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: Olly on April 14, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
I'm nearly sure I read somewhere that Elvis Pressley was reputedly born in Longford or Bundoran or some 8-letter town in Ireland. It was in a book written by Dr Phil McGraw.

Close Olly, but it's actually Shinrone, in Offaly. He had a promising career until he fell in with the wrong crowd on a stag in Las Vegas, and wasn't seen after that. Ara Elvis, where did it all go wrong a mhic?

(http://www.uibhfhaili.com/offalygaa/songs/elvisbig.jpg)
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Post by: Canalman on April 15, 2011, 09:31:05 AM
Veering horribly away from OP.

Richard Kuslinski (Google him). His mam was from Dublin.

Joe Kinnear was also born in Dublin, moved over to London as a kid, hence the accent.
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Post by: nrico2006 on April 15, 2011, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on April 14, 2011, 05:22:36 PM
James Smith, George Taylor, Matthew Thornton - three of the eight foreign signatories of the American Declaration of Independence, were Irish.

And the Printer of the Declaration, John Dunlap, was a Strabane man.
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Post by: Canalman on April 15, 2011, 09:42:13 AM
Sorry Richard Kuklinski.......... got spelling wrong.
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Post by: boojangles on April 15, 2011, 11:11:45 AM
Lead singers of Kasabian and Elbow both claim Irish ancestry. Mayo I believe.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on April 15, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
Can I bring you all back to post 1 on page 1. Lawnseed's post was "born Irish". Half the the people you listed had ties so remote they probably didn't know during their own lifetime that they had any connection with Ireland.

Oh Dermot O'Leary.

The missus says she saw Ant from Ant and Dec in Tesco's in Craigavon last week so he may have family round that way. Or it wasn't him.
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Post by: Kerry Mike on April 15, 2011, 11:26:44 AM
Ernest Shackleton

JFK and the clan of Kennedy's

John L. Sullivan - first heavyweight champion of gloved boxing
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Post by: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 11:30:51 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:38:43 PM
Bernardo O'Higgins

Not quite, he was the bastard son of an Irishman and his mistress. The father never acknowledged him during his life. Something ironically Bernardo was to do later with his own children. Nevertheless a great man.
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Post by: ziggysego on April 15, 2011, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 15, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
Can I bring you all back to post 1 on page 1. Lawnseed's post was "born Irish". Half the the people you listed had ties so remote they probably didn't know during their own lifetime that they had any connection with Ireland.

Oh Dermot O'Leary.

The missus says she saw Ant from Ant and Dec in Tesco's in Craigavon last week so he may have family round that way. Or it wasn't him.

Dermot was born in Essex. ;)
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Post by: deiseach on April 15, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 15, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
Can I bring you all back to post 1 on page 1. Lawnseed's post was "born Irish". Half the the people you listed had ties so remote they probably didn't know during their own lifetime that they had any connection with Ireland.

Julia Bradbury
Title: Re: i never knew they were irish..
Post by: Billys Boots on April 15, 2011, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
Mel Gibson's mother is actually from Longford.

She's actually from Colmcille, and his full name is Mel Colmcille Gibson apparently.
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Post by: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:39:34 PM
Admiral Browne.

Founder of the Argentinian Navy.

Notiable victories over the Navies of Spain, Britain and Brazil.

Browne was indeed Irish but this "founder of the Argentine navy" bit always amuses me. He did become a good friend of José de San Martín and Bernardo O'Higgins but if truth be told he was really a "gun for hire". He served in the British navy for a long time but after getting pissed off by noting getting his fair rewards, he took his ships to South America where he was hired by the Liberators to fight the Spanish. He saved them from almost certain calamitous defeat on more than one occasion, but eventually fell out with them as well when he wasn't paid what was promised and headed off into the sunset again (taking his ships with him). So in a sense he may have formed the Argentine navy as his ships were the Argentine navy, but when he left, he took the navy with him i.e. if he was the founder, he was also the destroyer. An amazingly brave and skill-full seaman though - almost all of his major battles were won against overwhelming odds.
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Post by: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 15, 2011, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
Mel Gibson's mother is actually from Longford.

She's actually from Colmcille, and his full name is Mel Colmcille Gibson apparently.

Where the f**k is Colmcille?
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Post by: deiseach on April 15, 2011, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:39:34 PM
Admiral Browne.

Founder of the Argentinian Navy.

Notiable victories over the Navies of Spain, Britain and Brazil.

Browne was indeed Irish but this "founder of the Argentine navy" bit always amuses me. He did become a good friend of José de San Martín and Bernardo O'Higgins but if truth be told he was really a "gun for hire". He served in the British navy for a long time but after getting pissed off by noting getting his fair rewards, he took his ships to South America where he was hired by the Liberators to fight the Spanish. He saved them from almost certain calamitous defeat on more than one occasion, but eventually fell out with them as well when he wasn't paid what was promised and headed off into the sunset again (taking his ships with him). So in a sense he may have formed the Argentine navy as his ships were the Argentine navy, but when he left, he took the navy with him i.e. if he was the founder, he was also the destroyer. An amazingly brave and skill-full seaman though - almost all of his major battles were won against overwhelming odds.

Was he the Brown(e) from whom Jose Brown, who scored for Argentina in the 1986 World Cup final, claimed an Irish background?

Edit: it seems not (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_family_(Argentina))
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Post by: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 12:00:15 PM
Quote from: deiseach on April 15, 2011, 11:54:31 AM

Was he the Brown(e) from whom Jose Brown, who scored for Argentina in the 1986 World Cup final, claimed an Irish background?


I doubt it. There were literally thousands of Irishmen who fought with the Liberators (and some for the Spanish). Most were veterans of the Napoleonic Wars who were enticed over with the promise of land by Bolivar, San Martin & O'Higgins.   

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Post by: Hardy on April 15, 2011, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 11:30:51 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:38:43 PM
Bernardo O'Higgins

Not quite, he was the b**tard son of an Irishman and his mistress. The father never acknowledged him during his life.

That could explain his volatile personality. Hell of a snooker player, though.
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Post by: Billys Boots on April 15, 2011, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 15, 2011, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
Mel Gibson's mother is actually from Longford.

She's actually from Colmcille, and his full name is Mel Colmcille Gibson apparently.

Where the f**k is Colmcille?

Parish in North Longford Donagh.  ;)
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Post by: AQMP on April 15, 2011, 12:50:17 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 15, 2011, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
Mel Gibson's mother is actually from Longford.

She's actually from Colmcille, and his full name is Mel Colmcille Gibson apparently.

Where the f**k is Colmcille?

Up in the north west, sometimes referred to by the BBC as Londonderrycolumnkill
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 15, 2011, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 15, 2011, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Lord Montgomery

Field Marshal of the British Empire.


No he isn't.

Some of you ladsng are pretty sad denying the British Empire connections but glad to leave the Empires or Revoulutionaries of other countries.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 15, 2011, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 11:30:51 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:38:43 PM
Bernardo O'Higgins

Not quite, he was the b**tard son of an Irishman and his mistress. The father never acknowledged him during his life. Something ironically Bernardo was to do later with his own children. Nevertheless a great man.

I was including men of Irish decent, a reckon 3 or 4 generations back is still Irish in my books.
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Post by: Canalman on April 15, 2011, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 15, 2011, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 15, 2011, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Lord Montgomery

Field Marshal of the British Empire.



No he isn't.

Some of you ladsng are pretty sad denying the British Empire connections but glad to leave the Empires or Revoulutionaries of other countries.

He was born in England................FACT. How is he Irish?
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 15, 2011, 01:48:30 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 15, 2011, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 15, 2011, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 15, 2011, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Lord Montgomery

Field Marshal of the British Empire.



No he isn't.

Some of you ladsng are pretty sad denying the British Empire connections but glad to leave the Empires or Revoulutionaries of other countries.

He was born in England................FACT. How is he Irish?

Of Irish heritage.
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Post by: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
QuoteWhere the f**k is Colmcille

I've often wondered myself - it's  lovely place, nestling in the bosom of Dromard, Mullinaghta, Gowna and Killoe.

The Gowna bit would belong to the Cavan savages.

Gibson was asked to play Intermediate for Colmcille when he was over here shooting Braveheart (a local wag sent in an official letter to Longford County Board looking for a transfer) but the insurers of the film, despite the many scenes of violence and mayhem in Braveheart, reckoned togging out for Colmcille, esp if they played The Connollys, was an unisurable risk.

So the idea ended there.

Shame really.
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Post by: deiseach on April 15, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
Gibson was asked to play Intermediate for Colmcille when he was over here shooting Braveheart (a local wag sent in an official letter to Longford County Board looking for a transfer) but the insurers of the film, despite the many scenes of violence and mayhem in Braveheart, reckoned togging out for Colmcille, esp if they played The Connollys, was an unisurable risk.

So the idea ended there.

Shame really.

Typical Jews
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Post by: Ulick on April 15, 2011, 02:20:39 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
QuoteWhere the f**k is Colmcille

I've often wondered myself - it's  lovely place, nestling in the bosom of Dromard, Mullinaghta, Gowna and Killoe.

The Gowna bit would belong to the Cavan savages.

Gibson was asked to play Intermediate for Colmcille when he was over here shooting Braveheart (a local wag sent in an official letter to Longford County Board looking for a transfer) but the insurers of the film, despite the many scenes of violence and mayhem in Braveheart, reckoned togging out for Colmcille, esp if they played The Connollys, was an unisurable risk.

So the idea ended there.

Shame really.

There you go, one does truly learn something new everyday. Must look out for it next time I'm passing through on the way to the west. I would probably still guess that given the Gisbons religious opinions, he was named for the saint as opposed to the parish - though if the ma was from down there who knows.
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Post by: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 02:26:51 PM
Ulick

The parish is Colmcillle - the signposts will say Aughnacliffe which is the trading post!
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Post by: Billys Boots on April 15, 2011, 03:26:11 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 15, 2011, 02:26:51 PM
Ulick

The parish is Colmcillle - the signposts will say Aughnacliffe which is the trading post!

Yep, good pint of stout to be had in Murtagh's or Hourican's (once named in the Top-100 pubs in Ireland).  Look for the varnished (formerly tinned) peaches stuck to the wall - there's a great story behind it. 
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Post by: laoislad on April 15, 2011, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 14, 2011, 01:02:25 PM
I don't like to admit this, but the Gallaghers are distant relatives of mine by marriage. Their aunt from Duleek was married to my first cousin. I think that's distant enough to be able to disclaim any negative associations, musical, sociological, yobical ...

.

Hey dude don't look back in anger..
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Post by: muppet on April 16, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
Any read Outliers?

There is a chapter on the feuds of Kentucky in the 1800s. In Outliers it is suggested that these feuds were between emigrants (or their descendants) of the 'Borderlands' of Britain. In particular where the lowlands of Scotland meets England and Ulster. The feuds weren't necessarily anything to do with disputes from the origin of the settlers, it was more to do with their isolation and culture. Historians now classify these feuding mountaineers as Scotch-Irish.

The Kentucky Feuds (http://fixit24.tripod.com/feud.html)

"Most of these settlers shared a common Scotch-Irish background"
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Post by: Applesisapples on April 16, 2011, 11:30:18 AM
There is a rumour that Evil Genius is actually Irish...despite his protestations.
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Post by: Blowitupref on April 20, 2011, 07:02:52 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 14, 2011, 05:00:47 PM
Olivia Wilde has Irish citzenship aka 13 from House

(http://images.wikia.com/tron/images/0/0c/OliviaWilde.jpg)

Was doing abit of reading up on her (as you do) She derived her stage name "Wilde" from Irish author Oscar Wilde & her original name was Cockburn.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 20, 2011, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2011, 07:02:52 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 14, 2011, 05:00:47 PM
Olivia Wilde has Irish citzenship aka 13 from House

(http://images.wikia.com/tron/images/0/0c/OliviaWilde.jpg)

Was doing abit of reading up on her (as you do) She derived her stage name "Wilde" from Irish author Oscar Wilde & her original name was Cockburn.

She makes this phrase seem quite plesant when it shouldn't sound that way.