He's at it again ...
" MICKEY Harte continues to argue for change, so that provincial football champions who lose All-Ireland quarter-finals get a second chance. But why the silence from so many of his fellow managers? Most of them believe the current system is unfair but aren't nearly as vocal as Harte. Do they not realise the power they are capable of exerting? Some can wipe out club fixture programmes for months during the summer; if they got together on a national issue one suspects it wouldn't be long before change emerged.
Harte's case has unchallengeable logic. But having lost out amid a flood of spurious counter-arguments at Congress last year, there seems no great appetite to re-visit it, which is odd. Surely, history shows that persistence is the key to getting change in the GAA."
Can this floot ever get it into his head that this nonsense is a non runner?
Quote from: Rossfan on April 13, 2011, 10:45:25 AM
He's at it again ...
" MICKEY Harte continues to argue for change, so that provincial football champions who lose All-Ireland quarter-finals get a second chance. But why the silence from so many of his fellow managers? Most of them believe the current system is unfair but aren't nearly as vocal as Harte. Do they not realise the power they are capable of exerting? Some can wipe out club fixture programmes for months during the summer; if they got together on a national issue one suspects it wouldn't be long before change emerged.
Harte's case has unchallengeable logic. But having lost out amid a flood of spurious counter-arguments at Congress last year, there seems no great appetite to re-visit it, which is odd. Surely, history shows that persistence is the key to getting change in the GAA."
Can this floot ever get it into his head that this nonsense is a non runner?
May be non runner but Mickey is following the percieved wisdom of getting change.
I was more annoyed with the rest of his article.
Huge excitement on the last day of the league and he's still griping about the system being unfair.
And of course if Score difference was used he'd be spoutin crap about it being unfair as some teams might have played weakened teams and so on etc blah blah bullshit.
Will he have his usual middle of the most exciting part of the championship season exclusive about the lack of goals being scored in the modern day championship ?
Lads, it's called creative writing, if you can't appreciate his genius just leave it be. I love the way he can turn a complete non-event or even something good into a dour/hellish epic that would rival The Road by Cormac McCarthy.
It's amazing how he can do that with such little analysis of what actually happens. Few can can create such stale banquet out of so few crumbs.
Has Breheny ever written a decent article in the Indo? Jesus he doesn't half write some rubbish articles.
Just seems to be trying to fill space.
Top 100 footballers at the moment, top 100 hurlers at the moment, every football team ranked by how good he thinks they are, every hurling team ranked by how good he thinks they are etc etc etc.
Really boring shit.
Quote from: galwayman on April 13, 2011, 09:01:24 PM
Has Breheny ever written a decent article in the Indo?
Surely an oxymoron!!!
Rag of a paper so no point in complaining about the content
Which daily paper tends to have the best sports coverage?
I find the Indo to actually be decent enough on a Saturday but that's about it.
Monday to Friday which would be best for sport?
Quote from: galwayman on April 13, 2011, 11:09:41 PM
Which daily paper tends to have the best sports coverage?
I find the Indo to actually be decent enough on a Saturday but that's about it.
Monday to Friday which would be best for sport?
The Examiner has by far the best coverage of all the national dailies.
Must admit the Examiner is one paper I have never bought. Will give it a try. Cheers.
There's no really good Irish paper for sports coverage on Sundays either. The SIndo is crap. The Sunday Tribune had some good stuff in their sports section (though it was quite small) from Dave Hannigan, Miguel Delaney and a few more.
The Sunday Times is the one I would tend to buy.Decent sport section albeit much of it relates to UK sport.
Try the Examiner. Don't know if they have a Sunday paper.
Quote from: galwayman on April 13, 2011, 11:28:20 PM
Must admit the Examiner is one paper I have never bought. Will give it a try. Cheers.
There's no really good Irish paper for sports coverage on Sundays either. The SIndo is crap. The Sunday Tribune had some good stuff in their sports section (though it was quite small) from Dave Hannigan, Miguel Delaney and a few more.
The Sunday Times is the one I would tend to buy.Decent sport section albeit much of it relates to UK sport.
I used to enjoy reading the Sunday papers, but I can't anymore.
I can't abide the Sindo, but there is very little else to buy. I used to get the Tribune, but that's gone under.
The Sunday Times is the English paper with a few Irish pages thrown in.
The Sunday World is..... well, you wouldn't want to be relying on it for much apart from following the Dundons et al
Yeah the Tribune was a huge loss for sport.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 13, 2011, 03:24:27 PM
And of course if Score difference was used he'd be spoutin crap about it being unfair as some teams might have played weakened teams and so on etc blah blah bullshit.
I thought his column was pretty reasonable. He is 100% correct to say that using head to head to separate teams level on points goes against the essence of league competition. The previous system was fairer.
Regarding Harte's suggestion he doesn't tackle the problem that it still doesn't give every beaten provincial champion a second chance. You have to draw the line somewhere or you could be giving beaten AI finalists a second chance ;D. The system as it stands is fair enough IMO, everybody knows there is no safety netonce you reach the AI series.
QuoteCan this floot ever get it into his head that this nonsense is a non runner?
Can you explain why you are so convinced that it's a non-runner?
90% of delegates voted it down at Congress last year.
No motions to bring it in this year.
Totally illogical.
Add extra needless rounds to the Championship.
As I said --- a non runner.
90%?? if true would be interested to know the actual wording of the proposed amendment as a number of ulster & leinster counties were in favour initially
Fair play Mickey again.
U win your pronvincial for the right to get into the AI quarters, you then meet a strong team who you beat a few weeks back - that team who wins is rewarded for losing early on.
Noone I know sees the provincial & AI championships as 2 separate entities.
The glaring issue is the short 6 day turnaround for 2 of the beaten provincial finalists.
Can't see how they can have any complaints about having to play again in 6 days. They are lucky to be getting a second bite at all. The team they are meeting in the back door may well have played 4 weeks running.
That's a powerful argument utb,
Ah sure things could be worse, we are lucky to have a championship system at all? ::)
"Aren't I lucky" should be a slogan printed on doormats.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 15, 2011, 11:28:36 PM
Noone I know sees the provincial & AI championships as 2 separate entities.
Most people I know do ... so there !!!
Quote from: galwayman on April 13, 2011, 11:09:41 PM
Which daily paper tends to have the best sports coverage?
I find the Indo to actually be decent enough on a Saturday but that's about it.
Monday to Friday which would be best for sport?
Depends what you're after. Times has the best writers I believe - Duggan and Ian O'Riordan are always interesting. The Monday backpage column will be missed. Irish Examiner is probably the most extensive, writing not as good, think they try to be a local paper and a national paper and cover everything from Cork underage club camogie up to All-Ireland senior but the more sport the better!
Harte will unashamedly say whatever is best for his team regardless of what is best for the sport (though isn't he entitled to look after his own interests anyway?) Sometimes Tyrone have benefited sometimes not.
But this idea that provincial winners are suddenly at a disadvantage is a myth created by the media and a few managers who didn't like losing last year. Ever since the qualifiers have begun there has only been 3 provincial champions through on two occasions and never all 4. Generally it is normally dictated by who has to face the Munster losers and the strong losing team in Ulster. It's not about "Head of steam" it has been about Cork/Kerry, or Tyrone facing a provincial champion and putting them out.
Last year was a bit of a fluke that all provincial winners went out but for the five previous years (2005 to 2009) the teams that knocked out provincial champions were: Kerry x3, Cork x2, Tyrone x2, Meath x2 & Wexford x1. So in 20 matches only three were won by teams that haven't regularly contested All-Ireland finals in recent years.
His article on Saturday about the Cork team was an all time low. I'd say the Cork players had it pinned to the dressing room wall on Sunday.
Quote from: highorlow on April 27, 2011, 10:59:34 AM
His article on Saturday about the Cork team was an all time low. I'd say the Cork players had it pinned to the dressing room wall on Sunday.
Any link? I didn't buy the indo on Saturday?
Quote from: highorlow on April 27, 2011, 10:59:34 AM
His article on Saturday about the Cork team was an all time low. I'd say the Cork players had it pinned to the dressing room wall on Sunday.
Is that the one about they being unloved/unnoticed in their own county ?