Terrible situation happening in Ivory Coast with hundreds already dead. There have apparently been atrocities committed by both sides in a country that was once seen as an example to the rest of Africa but once again power hungry leaders decide to turn their people on each other for their own gains. So many conflicts breaking out in the world at this time.
Tragic. The reports of mass graves being uncovered is harrowing. There must be little oil around those parts or else the usual suspects would be offering their 'assistance'
Quote from: balladmaker on April 03, 2011, 01:18:56 AM
Tragic. The reports of mass graves being uncovered is harrowing. There must be little oil around those parts or else the usual suspects would be offering their 'assistance'
Exactly. No point in them stopping any massacres if there is nothing valuable for them. Dirty bastards
Quote from: Forever Green on April 03, 2011, 01:23:36 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 03, 2011, 01:18:56 AM
Tragic. The reports of mass graves being uncovered is harrowing. There must be little oil around those parts or else the usual suspects would be offering their 'assistance'
Exactly. No point in them stopping any massacres if there is nothing valuable for them. Dirty b**tards
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: thebigfella on April 03, 2011, 02:40:48 AM
Quote from: Forever Green on April 03, 2011, 01:23:36 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 03, 2011, 01:18:56 AM
Tragic. The reports of mass graves being uncovered is harrowing. There must be little oil around those parts or else the usual suspects would be offering their 'assistance'
Exactly. No point in them stopping any massacres if there is nothing valuable for them. Dirty b**tards
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
You can put in as many rolly eyes as you like, but there is little doubt the big powers only take an interest when it's a country with natural resources. They look after themselves,anything after that is by the way
Ivory Coast would be mineral rich and probably has decent hydrocarbon resources so I'd say China has it's dirty fingers in this pie.
Terrible stuff. Not the first time the international community has stood by (think Rwanda), and won't be the last - but you can't come on, you can't fight wars everywhere.
Incidentally is the world's largest cocoa exporter.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2011, 02:48:04 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 03, 2011, 02:40:48 AM
Quote from: Forever Green on April 03, 2011, 01:23:36 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 03, 2011, 01:18:56 AM
Tragic. The reports of mass graves being uncovered is harrowing. There must be little oil around those parts or else the usual suspects would be offering their 'assistance'
Exactly. No point in them stopping any massacres if there is nothing valuable for them. Dirty b**tards
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
You can put in as many rolly eyes as you like, but there is little doubt the big powers only take an interest when it's a country with natural resources. They look after themselves,anything after that is by the way
It's strange that when a foreign country (America) goes into "help" a nation they will get lambasted over it and when they don't go in they again get lambasted by the same posters. For me these countries will be having the wars for years and need no help from anyone. they will sort themselves out, slowly I'm sure.
Foreign meddling never works out, only causes more hatred, more suicide bombers another 9/11
from what i see on the news this is another example of a fella whos been in power for a few years then hes been voted out and instead of going away back to what ever he used to do, hes saying 'well who cares about elections or democracy anyone who doesnt agree with me is a rebel so shoot them' seems to be a muslim v christain thing going on as well..
ps btw has anyone seen the country' flag ffs trouble just seems to follow this
Quote from: lawnseed on April 03, 2011, 12:06:02 PM
from what i see on the news this is another example of a fella whos been in power for a few years then hes been voted out and instead of going away back to what ever he used to do, hes saying 'well who cares about elections or democracy anyone who doesnt agree with me is a rebel so shoot them' seems to be a muslim v christain thing going on as well..
ps btw has anyone seen the country' flag ffs trouble just seems to follow this
Apparently they were going to call it Callely Coast before settling on
Ivory.
France is sending additional troops to the Côte d'Ivoire.
800 killed in a fight in one town alone!
Without knowing any real details about what is going on here, why officially have the Brits and/or Yanks not pursued the elements within the IC that are a threat to the innocent civilians?
Where are the defenders of democracy now? No oil available for plundering, sorry cannot help.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2011, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2011, 02:48:04 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 03, 2011, 02:40:48 AM
Quote from: Forever Green on April 03, 2011, 01:23:36 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 03, 2011, 01:18:56 AM
Tragic. The reports of mass graves being uncovered is harrowing. There must be little oil around those parts or else the usual suspects would be offering their 'assistance'
Exactly. No point in them stopping any massacres if there is nothing valuable for them. Dirty b**tards
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
You can put in as many rolly eyes as you like, but there is little doubt the big powers only take an interest when it's a country with natural resources. They look after themselves,anything after that is by the way
It's strange that when a foreign country (America) goes into "help" a nation they will get lambasted over it and when they don't go in they again get lambasted by the same posters. For me these countries will be having the wars for years and need no help from anyone. they will sort themselves out, slowly I'm sure.
Foreign meddling never works out, only causes more hatred, more suicide bombers another 9/11
So true. So people just want to make sure and give a dig regardless of what the US do. And then they'd be the first to give of if someone tried to defend the US over something.
Some African nations, which were the creation of the colonial powers, were not prepared to govern themselves upon independence, and this has now manifested itself in continual civil wars, unstable governments which are embedded with bribery and corruption, nepotism, and mismanagement of their economies.
Also I don't think people are annoyed that Western governments aren't stepping in, rather that Western governments just can't be honest about why they are stepping in.
Oil is the most precious commodity on the planet right now and it's production is about to go into terminal decline. He who holds the most of the reserves holds all the aces. Modern society is built on oil and it's decline will have a massive on just about everyone (except the Amish perhaps).
You also have to consider that whatever alternative energy economy comes next will have to be built within the existing fossil fuel economy. So whoever doesn't have control over fossil fuels will be left behind and at the mercy of those who do. With that in mind, as much as I hate to sound alarmist, but the next energy source whatever it is, is going to fall short of current demand so there will be a degree of shrinkage for some.
From this perspective the USA have made all the right moves in the middle east. They have secured the route for natural gas pipelines through Afghanistan and Iraqi oil is secure. They have control over most of the Caspian after the Balkans war. The only one left is Iran, who seems to want to sell to anyone but the USA.
To think that Western governments would spend millions on an armed intervention purely on humanitarian reasoning is incredibly naive.
They wouldn't cancel national debts to save millions of lives but will spend millions to save a few thousand (at the most) Libyans?? Come off it!
Quote from: thejuice on April 04, 2011, 02:57:01 PM
Some African nations, which were the creation of the colonial powers, were not prepared to govern themselves upon independence, and this has now manifested itself in continual civil wars, unstable governments which are embedded with bribery and corruption, nepotism, and mismanagement of their economies.
Also I don't think people are annoyed that Western governments aren't stepping in, rather that Western governments just can't be honest about why they are stepping in.
Oil is the most precious commodity on the planet right now and it's production is about to go into terminal decline. He who holds the most of the reserves holds all the aces. Modern society is built on oil and it's decline will have a massive on just about everyone (except the Amish perhaps).
You also have to consider that whatever alternative energy economy comes next will have to be built within the existing fossil fuel economy. So whoever doesn't have control over fossil fuels will be left behind and at the mercy of those who do. With that in mind, as much as I hate to sound alarmist, but the next energy source whatever it is, is going to fall short of current demand so there will be a degree of shrinkage for some.
From this perspective the USA have made all the right moves in the middle east. They have secured the route for natural gas pipelines through Afghanistan and Iraqi oil is secure. They have control over most of the Caspian after the Balkans war. The only one left is Iran, who seems to want to sell to anyone but the USA.
To think that Western governments would spend millions on an armed intervention purely on humanitarian reasoning is incredibly naive.
They wouldn't cancel national debts to save millions of lives but will spend millions to save a few thousand (at the most) Libyans?? Come off it!
There is a lot of talk of the potential of wave and wind energy and how Ireland is ideally placed, geographically, to capitalise on these. Does this put us in the firing line to get invaded / taken over?
Too late, the Germans already have....
No, the Sahara may soon be Europe's solar power station.
http://www.desertec.org/en/global-mission/focus-region-eu-mena/
--> which funnily enough needed Gaddafi's support
http://www.neweuropeaneconomy.com/Site_Content/FDI/Clear_Conscience_%96_Libya%92s_New_Power_Struggle/
From what I've read into this, and the talks I've seen, we can't produce wind-turbines, water-turbines, solar panels fast enough to pick up the slack of the reduced amount of fossil fuels, not to mention the fossil fuels burned in order to build/transport/install said devices.
The most dire predictions I saw about a year ago said we should have started this work in the 70's. Hey, anyone remember Jimmy Carters speech?
Another factor is the fact that we don't have enough raw materials to turn too electric cars. Some estimates reckon there simply isn't enough Lithium to go around and unfortunately the bit we did have we put in batteries for all the little trinkets that we don't actually need like playstations, mobile phones, i-pods etc.
Now maybe Carbon batteries might work, it's probably our best bet. Mind you there's still plenty of coal in the ground.
What ever happened to the lads who "invented" cold fusion of sea water. Sure that's the answer - get them lads back into the lab.
You mean Morgan Freeman and Keanu Reeves?