Last day of the current assembly up in the north.
Whats the predictions of our friends up north in relation to the upcoming assembly elections?
Will the SF machine keep the momentum going or have they gone as far as they can go?
Will the UUP gain any ground on the DUP
Whats the chances of the SDLP winning back some of its nationilist support?
Will a swing to independants happen like what happened in the republic?
How did the present assembly perform during its time in office?
Can't wait for the poll, wonder will all the lads from the Republic vote for SDLP ;)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 23, 2011, 10:54:03 AM
Can't wait for the poll, wonder will all the lads from the Republic vote for SDLP ;)
you couldn't lad, they were going to link with FF so it'd be a cardinal sin for you to vote for them!!
Well bannana man whats your thoughts on the upcoming election?
Is there much appetite for an election in the six counties at the moment?
What are the main issues and what are the various party stances on them?
Quote from: Bogball XV on March 23, 2011, 02:23:26 PM
What are the main issues and what are the various party stances on them?
Like that matters !
Excuse my naiviety but should it not matter?
Its a glorified census/head count.
Quote from: Minder on March 23, 2011, 02:31:43 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on March 23, 2011, 02:23:26 PM
What are the main issues and what are the various party stances on them?
Like that matters !
I know, but I'd be interested in finding out what people would like their political representatives to do, in an ideal world of course where one didn't have to vote for one's own kind.
Quote from: rossie mad on March 23, 2011, 02:17:16 PM
Well bannana man whats your thoughts on the upcoming election?
Is there much appetite for an election in the six counties at the moment?
it's a straight shoot out to see who tops the poll and becomes first minister, DUP saying SF's success in the south is terrible news as it will lead to a republican first minister, SF are saying their uccess in the south should lead to a republican first minister
pretty elementary who it is as it's a joint position and one can't make a decision without the other.
It's different from the south in that the north can't raise it's own revenue, it can only divide out the pot they are given from westminister, so in short, straight shootout on a headcount
What would one do if one disagreed entirely with the political setup and logistics of governing?
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 23, 2011, 03:04:38 PM
What would one do if one disagreed entirely with the political setup and logistics of governing?
Take up arms?
Surprised at the lack of interest in the six-counties election on this forum, especially given the surprisingly large amount of interest those from the six counties had in the election down south.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 23, 2011, 03:11:51 PM
Surprised at the lack of interest in the six-counties election on this forum, especially given the surprisingly large amount of interest those from the six counties had in the election down south.
The southern election is the future, the statelets is just a holding ground.
Quote from: Bogball XV on March 23, 2011, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 23, 2011, 02:31:43 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on March 23, 2011, 02:23:26 PM
What are the main issues and what are the various party stances on them?
Like that matters !
I know, but I'd be interested in finding out what people would like their political representatives to do, in an ideal world of course where one didn't have to vote for one's own kind.
Exactly.Is this kind of politics not more important now in the north than lets say 10 years ago?
Surely its not all about religion/nationalistic loyalties?
I mean are there not economic issues which effect the six counties like job creation etc which the MLAs should be working together on.
Quote from: rossie mad on March 23, 2011, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on March 23, 2011, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 23, 2011, 02:31:43 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on March 23, 2011, 02:23:26 PM
What are the main issues and what are the various party stances on them?
Like that matters !
I know, but I'd be interested in finding out what people would like their political representatives to do, in an ideal world of course where one didn't have to vote for one's own kind.
Exactly.Is this kind of politics not more important now in the north than lets say 10 years ago?
Surely its not all about religion/nationalistic loyalties?
I mean are there not economic issues which effect the six counties like job creation etc which the MLAs should be working together on.
in a normal society rossie then yes, but the facts are stormont is a glorified council with little more powers than any district council. It gets handed a pot of money to use from London and the hyiena's rip the flesh off it for their respective departments.
The only incentice for them is the party finishing largest in the election gets first pick of the ministries to divvy the pot around.
I for one would love to know what exactly was achieved by the current (first full term) stormont, PPS 21 and even that was of no use to most rural dwellers.
No Irish language act as it was barred by the DUP,
It took 4 years to get funding filtered through for the national stadia despite the money lying waiting to be divvied up.
The Maze project no further forward after millions pumped into it,
the education and transfer test system in a total mess
we are still waiting on news of the reduced corporation tax incentive we may or may not get
maybe if it was even more like Scotland's parliament there would be no interest but it has next to no power and needs cross community support to get anything passed through
The only thing they all agreed on was a pay increase for MLA salaries >:(
Would the future assembly be any different Bannana man and do you not think that over time this territorial attitude will gradually begin to abate?e.g more co-operation.
Only after elections are over.
When it's voting time it's vote for your own side only
Quote from: rossie mad on March 23, 2011, 03:44:38 PM
Would the future assembly be any different Bannana man and do you not think that over time this territorial attitude will gradually begin to abate?e.g more co-operation.
not in the next generation i wouldn't have thought, it will be sectarian headcounts for the next 8 weeks, DUP will go on about smashing SF after being in government with them and SF will go on about a UI and how this is a stepping stone.
Then in the background the SDLP and DUP will be sniping at their bigger cousins hoping to steal some ground to avoid annihilation.
End result the First and deputy minister will be a SF/DUP combination in some order and westminister will tell them how much they have to spend on their depts and the circle will go on for another 4 years
Quote from: Banana Man on March 23, 2011, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: rossie mad on March 23, 2011, 03:44:38 PM
Would the future assembly be any different Bannana man and do you not think that over time this territorial attitude will gradually begin to abate?e.g more co-operation.
not in the next generation i wouldn't have thought, it will be sectarian headcounts for the next 8 weeks, DUP will go on about smashing SF after being in government with them and SF will go on about a UI and how this is a stepping stone.
Then in the background the SDLP and DUP will be sniping at their bigger cousins hoping to steal some ground to avoid annihilation.
End result the First and deputy minister will be a SF/DUP combination in some order and westminister will tell them how much they have to spend on their depts and the circle will go on for another 4 years
couldn't have explained that better myself, the only importance of this election will be that sinn fein will continue their upward trend of percentage votes and take another step towards a free ireland ;)
There is very little buzz about the election at the minute. As was said there the DUP will try and reduce the influence of SF while the SDLP will continue to pick holes in SF to try and get their votes back.
I see the SDLP have already made a few moves in Derry. They have made 10 million available through the Dept of Social Development (led by SDLP minister attwood) and have also transferred jobs to Derry from the DSD office in Belfast.
It will only get interesting if peopel like Eamonn McCann can get elected. Then we'd have a bit of a shake up.
But other than that it is pretty mundane- you either vote SDLP or SF if a nationalist and vote unionist from a selection if unionist and of course you ahve the middle of the road option in the alliance. Maybe this is one of the reasons why us in the 6 counties have taking such a keen interest in the 26 county elections. They are proper elections with proper debates and all that goes with it. And of course SF are in them :D
Think I'll give Dr Johnson's car a bit of a polish and check the oil. But might be a bit early to change the clutch so it'll have to stay in the garage for another term.
Quote from: Banana Man on March 23, 2011, 02:56:01 PM
it's a straight shoot out to see who tops the poll and becomes first minister, DUP saying SF's success in the south is terrible news as it will lead to a republican first minister, SF are saying their uccess in the south should lead to a republican first minister
I can't see any chance of SF getting the First Minister's position. That was first seriously touted around the time of the European Election in '09 and then the Robinson saga. Since then the DUP has stabalised itself (as evident in the Westminster election), and the threat from the TUV is probably minimal.
Currently the DUP has 36 seats; SF has 27 seats. For SF to get the 'top job', they need a swing of 9 seats. I can't see how that can possibly happen and anyone predicting they can overtake the DUP needs to set out just how this could be done (in terms of specific seats).
I haven't done any detailed seat-by-seat analysis, but I can't see the TUV taking any more than 3 seats (North Antrim, possibly Lagan Valley and East Belfast at a push). I haven't studied each constituency in any detail to consider how many UUP seats may be vulnerable (although i'd anticipate a bigger swing from UUP to Alliance than to the DUP at this stage).
Also, with boundary changes, SF is likely to lose a seat in Lagan Valley (hence the exit of Butler). I can't see any obvious SF gains, apart from winning back McHugh's seat in FST.
In my opinion Sinn Féin targets for this election will be:
Fermanagh & South Tyrone: here they will be hoping to regain McHugh's seat and maintain the Westminster squeeze on the stoops to add a third. +2
Upper Bann: should have had the second seat here last time. Their hopes of a gain have been knocked a bit by Dessie Ward leaving the Party but I would expect John O'Dowd to run prominently in the Banbridge end leaving newcomer Johnny McGibbon to sweep up the 'safe' republican vote in Lurgan, Craigavon & Portadown. +1
Mid Ulster: Martin McGuinness is by far the most popular politician in the north, Francie Molloy is well respected even among the rural Protestant folk and Michelle O'Neill is a clean pair of hand. These three all comfortably gained seats last time with the vote share increasing at Westminster. Good vote management could see them gain another seat. +1
Other long-shots would be:
Foyle: Eammon McCann probably more likely to make a gain here but SF will also be eying up a gain from the stoops.
West Tyrone: Kieran Deeny won't be running, Pat Doherty increased the vote share and the stoops have been dead in the water here for some time.
East Antrim: There is almost a nationalist quota here and I've a feeling a seat is about to fall. Would be a big psychological blow to unionism if it did. SF and the stoops are neck-and-neck with SF slightly ahead in the Westminster count. I'm fairly friendly with the stoop here but to be honest I don't really rate his chances. If it's going to fall it will be to McMullan.
North Belfast: They'll run three here this time but will probably be more in hope than expectation.
As mentioned previously SF will probably lose a seat in Lagan Valley due to boundary changes.
The big unknown is how the UUP vote will hold up this time. With that donkey they've in charge, their vote could implode completely, splitting between Alliance and the DUP - but with low unionist turnout also helping SF in certain areas. In that case SF haven't really a chance of becoming the biggest Party.
However, if the stars aligned, then the UUP, Alliance, TUV & Hermon's sidekick would nick 5 or 6 DUP seats between them and SF gained 4. Could happen, but unlikely at this stage - though events south of the border won't have hampered their chances any. I tend to agree with Jude Collins who reckons that northerners pay more attention to whats happening down there than they do up here. SF success in the south won't have gone unnoticed.
Quote from: Ulick on March 23, 2011, 08:41:40 PM
In my opinion Sinn Féin targets for this election will be:
Fermanagh & South Tyrone: here they will be hoping to regain McHugh's seat and maintain the Westminster squeeze on the stoops to add a third. +2
Upper Bann: should have had the second seat here last time. Their hopes of a gain have been knocked a bit by Dessie Ward leaving the Party but I would expect John O'Dowd to run prominently in the Banbridge end leaving newcomer Johnny McGibbon to sweep up the 'safe' republican vote in Lurgan, Craigavon & Portadown. +1
Mid Ulster: Martin McGuinness is by far the most popular politician in the north, Francie Molloy is well respected even among the rural Protestant folk and Michelle O'Neill is a clean pair of hand. These three all comfortably gained seats last time with the vote share increasing at Westminster. Good vote management could see them gain another seat. +1
Other long-shots would be:
Foyle: Eammon McCann probably more likely to make a gain here but SF will also be eying up a gain from the stoops.
West Tyrone: Kieran Deeny won't be running, Pat Doherty increased the vote share and the stoops have been dead in the water here for some time.
East Antrim: There is almost a nationalist quota here and I've a feeling a seat is about to fall. Would be a big psychological blow to unionism if it did. SF and the stoops are neck-and-neck with SF slightly ahead in the Westminster count. I'm fairly friendly with the stoop here but to be honest I don't really rate his chances. If it's going to fall it will be to McMullan.
North Belfast: They'll run three here this time but will probably be more in hope than expectation.
As mentioned previously SF will probably lose a seat in Lagan Valley due to boundary changes.
The big unknown is how the UUP vote will hold up this time. With that donkey they've in charge, their vote could implode completely, splitting between Alliance and the DUP - but with low unionist turnout also helping SF in certain areas. In that case SF haven't really a chance of becoming the biggest Party.
However, if the stars aligned, then the UUP, Alliance, TUV & Hermon's sidekick would nick 5 or 6 DUP seats between them and SF gained 4. Could happen, but unlikely at this stage - though events south of the border won't have hampered their chances any. I tend to agree with Jude Collins who reckons that northerners pay more attention to whats happening down there than they do up here. SF success in the south won't have gone unnoticed.
Where was Jude Collins saying that? I see he has started a column in the BMG papers
Quote from: hsthompson on March 23, 2011, 08:53:29 PM
Where was Jude Collins saying that? I see he has started a column in the BMG papers
On his Blog http://judecollinsjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/02/will-february-matter-in-may.html (http://judecollinsjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/02/will-february-matter-in-may.html)
He's fairly prolific, usually something new up every day or two. What's BMG papers btw?
Quote from: Ulick on March 23, 2011, 08:41:40 PM
West Tyrone: Kieran Deeny won't be running, Pat Doherty increased the vote share and the stoops have been dead in the water here for some time.
I would have had West Tyrone as a +1 for the SDLP. They had a full quota of first preferences in 2007 but ran too many candidates. They're only running one candidate this time from what i've read (and there'll be no Deeny either). Also, their vote in the last Westminster election was up amost 5% from the previous GE.
SF and DUP will spend the next 6 weeks proclaiming how they will secure the 32 county republic/union (delete as appropriate) and then will cosy up in gov after dividing up the ministries.
SDLP and UUP will snipe at the bigger parties trying to prevent further loss of votes.
The constitutional issue is on hold for a generation, people are concerned about jobs, health and education cuts etc.
The novelty of havng a gov and peace in the North has wore off quickly. There are too many MLAs by far who didn't take long to get the hang ofhiring advisors/commissionon reports. Look at the money wasted within NI water.Money wasted on producing documents in Irish/Ulster Scots etc.
In an ideal world real bread and buter issues would be the main agenda.
Quote from: Ulick on March 23, 2011, 08:41:40 PM
In my opinion Sinn Féin targets for this election will be:
West Tyrone: Kieran Deeny won't be running, Pat Doherty increased the vote share and the stoops have been dead in the water here for some time.
Kieran Deeny isn't running this time, but Independent Councillor (formerly of SDLP) Pat McGowan MBE will be standing as an Independent. I'm be sure he'd get Kieran's seat.
Quote from: Ulick on March 23, 2011, 08:41:40 PM
In my opinion Sinn Féin targets for this election will be:
Fermanagh & South Tyrone: here they will be hoping to regain McHugh's seat and maintain the Westminster squeeze on the stoops to add a third. +2
Tommy Gallagher's base will probably keep the SDLP a seat for now. However, I'd be more inclined to chalk FST up as a DUP loss - I reckon that the TUV will have a respectable enough showing, coupled with a slight swing to the UUP with Elliott as party leader - If Donaldson can stay ahead of Morrow until TUV transfers come into play then there's a minor upset on the cards.
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Upper Bann: should have had the second seat here last time. Their hopes of a gain have been knocked a bit by Dessie Ward leaving the Party but I would expect John O'Dowd to run prominently in the Banbridge end leaving newcomer Johnny McGibbon to sweep up the 'safe' republican vote in Lurgan, Craigavon & Portadown. +1
Mid Ulster: Martin McGuinness is by far the most popular politician in the north, Francie Molloy is well respected even among the rural Protestant folk and Michelle O'Neill is a clean pair of hand. These three all comfortably gained seats last time with the vote share increasing at Westminster. Good vote management could see them gain another seat. +1
I'd say you're right in UB but in MU, Similar to Gallagher, Patsy McGlone has a core vote which should take him over the line and there are just about 2 unionist quotas - the only way SF get a 4th seat is if the TUV don't transfer to McCrea or Overend.
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Other long-shots would be:
Foyle: Eammon McCann probably more likely to make a gain here but SF will also be eying up a gain from the stoops.
There's definitely a number of Unionists that voted for Durkan last year to keep Anderson out but SDLP should keep their noses slightly in front. I'd imagine 2 SDLP, 2 SF, 1 DUP and the final seat will be between SDLP and McCann and it will come down to Unionist transfers (or the lack of them) to the SDLP or SF transfers to McCann
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West Tyrone: Kieran Deeny won't be running, Pat Doherty increased the vote share and the stoops have been dead in the water here for some time.
Byrne will probably get the SDLP seat back on transfers from McGowan. With proper vote management SF could maneuver themselves into a position where all 4 SF candidates outpoll Byrne on the first count. Plus you've a UUP gain against a DUP loss. As for thinking Paddy McGowan will get a seat, Ziggy if he gets a third of Deeney's votes I'll be surprised. After Paddy left the SDLP he stood in the 98 Assembly election and got about 400 votes more than he did in the local elections. In fact, if Paddy and Ciaran McClean get half of Deeney's votes between them it'll be a major shock. The hospital isn't the issue that it was and the most people are in favour of the A5.
QuoteEast Antrim: There is almost a nationalist quota here and I've a feeling a seat is about to fall. Would be a big psychological blow to unionism if it did. SF and the stoops are neck-and-neck with SF slightly ahead in the Westminster count. I'm fairly friendly with the stoop here but to be honest I don't really rate his chances. If it's going to fall it will be to McMullan.
There's a Nationalist seat there providing they all transfer pretty uniformly - the key question is how many SDLP votes will go to Alliance rather than SF.
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North Belfast: They'll run three here this time but will probably be more in hope than expectation.
As mentioned previously SF will probably lose a seat in Lagan Valley due to boundary changes.
The big unknown is how the UUP vote will hold up this time. With that donkey they've in charge, their vote could implode completely, splitting between Alliance and the DUP - but with low unionist turnout also helping SF in certain areas. In that case SF haven't really a chance of becoming the biggest Party.
However, if the stars aligned, then the UUP, Alliance, TUV & Hermon's sidekick would nick 5 or 6 DUP seats between them and SF gained 4. Could happen, but unlikely at this stage - though events south of the border won't have hampered their chances any. I tend to agree with Jude Collins who reckons that northerners pay more attention to whats happening down there than they do up here. SF success in the south won't have gone unnoticed.
The DUP will lose a few - 1 in WT (Hussey), NA (Allister) and Strangford (Nesbitt) I'd have as certs. Like I said, I've a feeling that FST will go UUP, and they'll come under pressure in SD to a 5th Nationalist seat (Well's is more exposed given the boundary changes than McAllister). TUV will pick up a seat in Lagan Valley but it will probably be Butler's seat rather than a DUP one. That's probably the lot, maybe 1 in EB if the Alliance can come anywhere close to replicating the performance of last year but the DUP 3 are probably safe
For anyone looking for an insight into the election look at the first two pages of this thread.
Zero mention of economic or social issues.
Complete Analysis of which way the "them-uns"/"us-uns" headcount will go.
Expect four more years of bullshit and whataboutery.
My vote will be up for grabs this time, and it'll be driven by economic agendas. I want to see some innovative ideas about driving growth and reducing spending. Even if the ideas are outlandish, it will show whether there is someone in the respective parties who has a small bit of a clue as to how we're going to create new jobs here.
The sad thing is, with a particularly "Irish" name on the electoral voting register, I fear that as last time, none of the North Belfast Unionist candidates will come near my door to try to win the vote. But I live in hope!
Crazy stuff on the Nolan show this morning. The UUP in meltdown live on air. Tom will do some job to repair this out fall.
Quote from: Sandino on March 24, 2011, 10:42:43 AM
Crazy stuff on the Nolan show this morning. The UUP in meltdown live on air. Tom will do some job to repair this out fall.
why what happened?
Quote from: Rois on March 24, 2011, 10:41:09 AM
My vote will be up for grabs this time, and it'll be driven by economic agendas. I want to see some innovative ideas about driving growth and reducing spending. Even if the ideas are outlandish, it will show whether there is someone in the respective parties who has a small bit of a clue as to how we're going to create new jobs here.
The sad thing is, with a particularly "Irish" name on the electoral voting register, I fear that as last time, none of the North Belfast Unionist candidates will come near my door to try to win the vote. But I live in hope!
What part of N Belfast are you living Rois?
Quote from: Ulick on March 23, 2011, 09:15:12 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on March 23, 2011, 08:53:29 PM
Where was Jude Collins saying that? I see he has started a column in the BMG papers
On his Blog http://judecollinsjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/02/will-february-matter-in-may.html (http://judecollinsjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/02/will-february-matter-in-may.html)
He's fairly prolific, usually something new up every day or two. What's BMG papers btw?
Belfast Media Group - North Belfast News, South Belfast News and Andytown News
BM only caught the end of it as I can't stand Nolan. It was about who would be the first Minister. Mc Narry had a major go at Mc Crea and McAllister. Chat of backstabbing and undermining the leader of the party. I think swear words may also have been used. Major split.
Quote from: Sandino on March 24, 2011, 10:59:27 AM
BM only caught the end of it as I can't stand Nolan. It was about who would be the first Minister. Mc Narry had a major go at Mc Crea and McAllister. Chat of backstabbing and undermining the leader of the party. I think swear words may also have been used. Major split.
ditto on nolan
that McNarry strikes me as an absolute loose cannon, i actually think McCrea is a sound politican any time i have heard him talk
Quote from: Banana Man on March 24, 2011, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: Sandino on March 24, 2011, 10:59:27 AM
BM only caught the end of it as I can't stand Nolan. It was about who would be the first Minister. Mc Narry had a major go at Mc Crea and McAllister. Chat of backstabbing and undermining the leader of the party. I think swear words may also have been used. Major split.
ditto on nolan
that McNarry strikes me as an absolute loose cannon, i actually think McCrea is a sound politican any time i have heard him talk
Aye I'd agree re: Basil McCrea, he seems a reasonable man and progressive enough for a unionist, met him a few times as well and he has a personality which is more than what i can say for most politicians I've come across
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Proposals to overhaul corporation tax in Northern Ireland will be announced today.
UK Treasury officials and senior figures from the Northern Ireland Executive are expected to attend a function for the announcement of a consultation document giving the Assembly the power to vary the rate levied on businesses.
British Chancellor George Osborne yesterday told the House of Commons the paper considers the case for Northern Ireland's having a lower rate of corporation tax than the rest of the UK.
Companies in the North have to compete with those in the Republic, where there is a lower rate of 12.5%.
One option in the consultation document was expected to be handing the Assembly the power to set its own rate of corporation tax.
There are some concerns in the North that any reduction would be paid for in a cut in the grant from London.
Good news for ecomonic development in the north if it gets the thumbs up.
Might not be of great advantage to the republic though.
Quote from: glens abu on March 24, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
What part of N Belfast are you living Rois?
Somewhere where there are no flags - a development in Fortwilliam that shouldn't intimidate any hue of politician, although judging by school uniforms, GAA jersies and the neighbours I know, it would seem like it has a higher proportion of traditional Alban/Gerry voters than Nigel voters.
I'll be listening to anyone who talks to me, even the most unlikely of candidates.
Quote from: hsthompson on March 24, 2011, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on March 24, 2011, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: Sandino on March 24, 2011, 10:59:27 AM
BM only caught the end of it as I can't stand Nolan. It was about who would be the first Minister. Mc Narry had a major go at Mc Crea and McAllister. Chat of backstabbing and undermining the leader of the party. I think swear words may also have been used. Major split.
ditto on nolan
that McNarry strikes me as an absolute loose cannon, i actually think McCrea is a sound politican any time i have heard him talk
Aye I'd agree re: Basil McCrea, he seems a reasonable man and progressive enough for a unionist, met him a few times as well and he has a personality which is more than what i can say for most politicians I've come across
I once sent Basil a message on Twitter, saying that he and Barry McElduff would make a lovely couple. Basil replied later that day, saying that he would be too high maintence for a man like Barry.
Quote from: Rois on March 24, 2011, 10:41:09 AM
My vote will be up for grabs this time, and it'll be driven by economic agendas. I want to see some innovative ideas about driving growth and reducing spending. Even if the ideas are outlandish, it will show whether there is someone in the respective parties who has a small bit of a clue as to how we're going to create new jobs here.
The sad thing is, with a particularly "Irish" name on the electoral voting register, I fear that as last time, none of the North Belfast Unionist candidates will come near my door to try to win the vote. But I live in hope!
But would you actually vote DUP/TUV/UUP if they did have some decent ideas? I think it'd be very difficult to actually give them a first preference vote whilst they retain those names? Personally, I don't think I could.
I've got a decent idea for the DUP/TUV/UUP in north Belfast - drop your objections and allow someone to provide some of the 1300 houses that are needed there. We'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your objections have nothing to do with Catholics accounting for 95% of the demand.
Quote from: Bogball XV on March 24, 2011, 02:25:28 PM
But would you actually vote DUP/TUV/UUP if they did have some decent ideas? I think it'd be very difficult to actually give them a first preference vote whilst they retain those names? Personally, I don't think I could.
That's my personal challenge and I'm not saying it'll be easy. But I'm going to try to give whoever wants one a fair crack. I think we have more immediate problems to solve than the high level green versus orange issue and voting for a unionist party will not change how Irish I feel. I will reserve the right to not vote for any party who has anti-Catholic, anti-Irish or anti-GAA policies. But if they are silent on those issues, that's fine.
Having heard the TUV leader being questioned on non-sectarian issues on TV and radio during Westminster campaigning, I don't believe I'll have a problem ruling them out.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 24, 2011, 12:24:43 AM
Quote from: Ulick on March 23, 2011, 08:41:40 PM
In my opinion Sinn Féin targets for this election will be:
West Tyrone: Kieran Deeny won't be running, Pat Doherty increased the vote share and the stoops have been dead in the water here for some time.
Kieran Deeny isn't running this time, but Independent Councillor (formerly of SDLP) Pat McGowan MBE will be standing as an Independent. I'm be sure he'd get Kieran's seat.
I wouldn't pile any money on that. The main point to remember is that the SDLP had a full quota the last time, even with Deeny running, but spread over 3 candidates - they had over 14.5% of first preferences in comparison to Deeny's 9.1%. If they can manage the same votes for one candidate this time, they could potentially get over the line on the first count. And that's not considering some of Deeny's votes that should come back to the SDLP.
Also, the analysis on arc.ac.uk on this constituency, based on last year's GE result is:
A solid performance from SF in one of their stronger constituencies. If these votes were cast in a six-seat Assembly election, the SDLP would win the seat currently held by Kieran Deeny, SF would retain their three, and the UUP/UCUNF would gain a seat from the DUP.
Quote from: Sandino on March 24, 2011, 10:42:43 AM
Crazy stuff on the Nolan show this morning. The UUP in meltdown live on air. Tom will do some job to repair this out fall.
Just listened to it - great stuff. McNarry is a disaster.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 24, 2011, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: Sandino on March 24, 2011, 10:42:43 AM
Crazy stuff on the Nolan show this morning. The UUP in meltdown live on air. Tom will do some job to repair this out fall.
Just listened to it - great stuff. McNarry is a disaster.
Never had much time for McNarry.
I was disappointed that McCrea didn't win the UUP Leadership Contest. He would have provided a positive and progressive voice.
Good analysis there on West Tyrone from Fionntamhnach. Anyone else want to have a go on their own constituency?
stoops out of the traps early thomas o' hanlon has his hidious grin all round armagh and keady ::)
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
stoops out of the traps early thomas o' hanlon has his hidious grin all round armagh and keady ::)
I'm sure we could cite numerous posters of hideous grins across all parties. Would you have 'rolled eyes' if it had been a SF candidate's poster? That's a pretty juvenile post.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 25, 2011, 12:52:39 AM
I was disappointed that McCrea didn't win the UUP Leadership Contest. He would have provided a positive and progressive voice.
Agreed, but the party would have imploded even more quickly and dramatically than it is now.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 27, 2011, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 25, 2011, 12:52:39 AM
I was disappointed that McCrea didn't win the UUP Leadership Contest. He would have provided a positive and progressive voice.
Agreed, but the party would have imploded even more quickly and dramatically than it is now.
Sadly, you're probably right.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 27, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
stoops out of the traps early thomas o' hanlon has his hidious grin all round armagh and keady ::)
I'm sure we could cite numerous posters of hideous grins across all parties. Would you have 'rolled eyes' if it had been a SF candidate's poster? That's a pretty juvenile post.
hidious and disturbing
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 27, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
stoops out of the traps early thomas o' hanlon has his hidious grin all round armagh and keady ::)
I'm sure we could cite numerous posters of hideous grins across all parties. Would you have 'rolled eyes' if it had been a SF candidate's poster? That's a pretty juvenile post.
hidious and disturbing
Hideous, even.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 27, 2011, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 27, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
stoops out of the traps early thomas o' hanlon has his hidious grin all round armagh and keady ::)
I'm sure we could cite numerous posters of hideous grins across all parties. Would you have 'rolled eyes' if it had been a SF candidate's poster? That's a pretty juvenile post.
hidious and disturbing
Hideous, even.
very churlish
Quote from: The Worker on March 27, 2011, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 27, 2011, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 27, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
stoops out of the traps early thomas o' hanlon has his hidious grin all round armagh and keady ::)
I'm sure we could cite numerous posters of hideous grins across all parties. Would you have 'rolled eyes' if it had been a SF candidate's poster? That's a pretty juvenile post.
hidious and disturbing
Hideous, even.
very churlish
menacing. like an expectant gargoyle just waiting to put speed ramps all over the country and point to dead animals lying in the forestry shaking his head for the gazette..
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
stoops out of the traps early
SF have their posters up in West and North Belfast. Apparently up the day after the Assembly dissolved (last Thursday), although I only noticed them on the roads i'd be on today.
On another note, my polling card arrived today. Seems very early.
are the stoops going down the route of putting 'z listers' up for election this time again?
went down like a lead ballon with mc kinney that last time.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 28, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on March 27, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
stoops out of the traps early
SF have their posters up in West and North Belfast. Apparently up the day after the Assembly dissolved (last Thursday), although I only noticed them on the roads i'd be on today.
On another note, my polling card arrived today. Seems very early.
It does seem very early but it's a good idea - if you haven't received one then you have another fortnight to make sure you're on the register.
Quote from: The Worker on March 28, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
are the stoops going down the route of putting 'z listers' up for election this time again?
went down like a lead ballon with mc kinney that last time.
Gallagher is standing again in FST. McKinney is 'behind the scenes' with his campaign apparently.
Apart from the Ulster Unioinists, I haven't seen any party publish their full list of candidates yet.
see the shinners have their posters out around spricefield - ''showing leadership across ireland'' - they've been there for 2 days now, didn't think they would have lasted a night, changed times?
Eugene McMenamin has resigned from the SDLP and will be standing as an Independent in West Tyrone.
The deadline to register to vote is fast approaching (14 April).
Is your brother/sister/friend/neighbour registered to vote. Encourage your friends and family to get registered so they can cast their vote
If you are not sure if you are registered then go to
http://www.eoni.org.uk/ or phone 0800 4320 712. It's simple!
Seriously, WTF is the story with the DUP election video? It has just been on BBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn-QDLA0DzU
A couple get up at 8 o'clock at night, have a shower, have breakfast and start decorating a room in the daylight. :-\
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 04, 2011, 07:03:34 PM
Seriously, WTF is the story with the DUP election video? It has just been on BBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn-QDLA0DzU
A couple get up at 8 o'clock at night, have a shower, have breakfast and start decorating a room in the daylight. :-\
well spotted, maybe thats what prods do? is this why they are getting scarce..? something has upset their breeding habits.. like poultry :o :D
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 04, 2011, 07:03:34 PM
Seriously, WTF is the story with the DUP election video? It has just been on BBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn-QDLA0DzU
A couple get up at 8 o'clock at night, have a shower, have breakfast and start decorating a room in the daylight. :-\
A bit weird all right. Think the gist of it is that the North would be a mess without the DUP.Seems to have claimed credit for everything in the North. Was waiting to hear that Gregory Campbell helped Graeme McDowell with his short game.
Actually was encouraged by this No pictures of the Pope or men in balaclavas. Was waiting for the punchine that the room would be 1 big Union Jack when they finished but it never came.
only surprised yer man wasnt wearing parachute gear... ;)
Quote from: lawnseed on April 04, 2011, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 04, 2011, 07:03:34 PM
Seriously, WTF is the story with the DUP election video? It has just been on BBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn-QDLA0DzU
A couple get up at 8 o'clock at night, have a shower, have breakfast and start decorating a room in the daylight. :-\
well spotted, maybe thats what prods do? is this why they are getting scarce..? something has upset their breeding habits.. like poultry :o :D
Drinking out of glass cups too, who the f**k are these freaks?
theyre prods.. :) a typical young prod couple.. hes a cop and shes a council admin worker.. they own matching vauxall nova's his is the sporty one, they attend church once a month.. and fly to the canaries after the twelth fortnight for 10 days (he needs the overtime drumcree etc..) he follows rallying.. she goes to her ma's alot.. he met her in the coach in banbridge but he knew her from school.. they have no kids and may have one or two but no more because theres no room in the nova.. they may vote dup but are more likely not to bother.. whats the point and they are good at decorating but no good at setting the clock ;)
:D, like it lawnseed.
To my fellow East Derry heirs, what is the craic with that constituency?
Here is a good breakdown of West Tyrone, along with Strangford, East Belfast and North Down.
http://1690andallthat.blogspot.com/2011/03/election-2012-constituency-profiles.html
I was told yesterday by a politics student that if you don't vote, your vote automatically goes to the candidate with the most votes. I find this hard to believe, but she was adamant about this. Does anyone if this is true?
She says if you truly don't want to vote, as you don't have a preferred candidate or party, you should spoil your vote.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 05, 2011, 08:57:02 AM
I was told yesterday by a politics student that if you don't vote, your vote automatically goes to the candidate with the most votes. I find this hard to believe, but she was adamant about this. Does anyone if this is true?
She says if you truly don't want to vote, as you don't have a preferred candidate or party, you should spoil your vote.
Ziggy, I'm no expert on electoral law but this would appear to be complete and utter ballix and even for the North a kick in the plums for democracy. WTF are they teaching politics students these days...wasn't like this in my day when 'A' Levels were hard. ;)
Quote from: AQMP on April 05, 2011, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 05, 2011, 08:57:02 AM
I was told yesterday by a politics student that if you don't vote, your vote automatically goes to the candidate with the most votes. I find this hard to believe, but she was adamant about this. Does anyone if this is true?
She says if you truly don't want to vote, as you don't have a preferred candidate or party, you should spoil your vote.
Ziggy, I'm no expert on electoral law but this would appear to be complete and utter ballix and even for the North a kick in the plums for democracy. WTF are they teaching politics students these days...wasn't like this in my day when 'A' Levels were hard. ;)
Doesn't sound too democratic to me, but she was adamant.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 05, 2011, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: AQMP on April 05, 2011, 09:30:06 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 05, 2011, 08:57:02 AM
I was told yesterday by a politics student that if you don't vote, your vote automatically goes to the candidate with the most votes. I find this hard to believe, but she was adamant about this. Does anyone if this is true?
She says if you truly don't want to vote, as you don't have a preferred candidate or party, you should spoil your vote.
Ziggy, I'm no expert on electoral law but this would appear to be complete and utter ballix and even for the North a kick in the plums for democracy. WTF are they teaching politics students these days...wasn't like this in my day when 'A' Levels were hard. ;)
Doesn't sound too democratic to me, but she was adamant.
(http://www.rtvchannel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Adam-Ant.jpg)
no flies on you Doogie
I don't get it :-\
At election time, all politicians stand and deliver a mandate. Thats what it means
and she was Adam Adamant ;D
I suppose over the next few weeks we'll see all politicians acting the real goody two shoes in order to get elected.
Quote from: AQMP on April 05, 2011, 12:58:32 PM
I suppose over the next few weeks we'll see all politicians acting the real goody two shoes in order to get elected.
Yeah when they really are out to rob you, your money or your life.
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
So whats the craic up in the 6 counties? Will everybody be voting along sectarian lines as per the norm?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 10, 2011, 01:33:17 PM
So whats the craic up in the 6 counties? Will everybody be voting along sectarian lines as per the norm?
Sectarian lines? I'd say most people will be voting on parties which best represent their views on nationalism/unionism/republicanism. Being a unionist or a nationalist or a republican doesn't make you a sectarian.
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 10, 2011, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 10, 2011, 01:33:17 PM
So whats the craic up in the 6 counties? Will everybody be voting along sectarian lines as per the norm?
Sectarian lines? I'd say most people will be voting on parties which best represent their views on nationalism/unionism/republicanism. Being a unionist or a nationalist or a republican doesn't make you a sectarian.
1641/1690 politics = no different to 1922-1923 politics IMO.
jim allister made a right bollix out of himself on radio ulsters talkback this election will be the end of him
Quote from: lawnseed on April 10, 2011, 02:20:50 PM
jim allister made a right bollix out of himself on radio ulsters talkback this election will be the end of him
You'll find that that can often be a vote winner. :P
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
As is the BNP.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 10, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
As is the BNP.
Just saw the BNP Polical Broadcast. More salt anyone?
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 11, 2011, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 10, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
As is the BNP.
Just saw the BNP Polical Broadcast. More salt anyone?
:D
not very exiting so far lets have another election down south..
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 11, 2011, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 10, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
As is the BNP.
Just saw the BNP Polical Broadcast. More salt anyone?
Heard it on the radio this morning. Bizarre to say the least. The Politics Show on BBC was covering the small parties on Sunday - said they had invited the BNP but they had declined. A ringing endorsement of their candidates!
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 11, 2011, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 10, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
As is the BNP.
Just saw the BNP Polical Broadcast. More salt anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dasfQyGSBkY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dasfQyGSBkY)
QuoteJust saw the BNP Polical Broadcast. More salt anyone?
This should be vote-winner around Kilroot.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 12, 2011, 12:11:18 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 11, 2011, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 10, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
As is the BNP.
Just saw the BNP Polical Broadcast. More salt anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dasfQyGSBkY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dasfQyGSBkY)
Evil Genius is a bit older than I imagined him.
Thats not fair on EG.
Anyone read about Martin McGuiness speaking about Ronan Kerr at a Sinn Fein event last night? " I would go as far to say that Ronan Kerr voted for Sinn Fein", why the need to say something that could be viewed as divisive about a death of a man that seemed to unite both communities? Pretty crass I thought. Why politicise a mans death? I always thought your vote was private.
What about the election broadcast on behalf of the No campaign (against AV). Is that the best arguments they have?
"Its a bit complicated" ???
"If first past the post is good enough for horse racing...." ::)
"Politicians might renege on their promises" :o
Quote from: LeoMc on April 12, 2011, 11:44:08 AM
What about the election broadcast on behalf of the No campaign (against AV). Is that the best arguments they have?
"Its a bit complicated" ???
"If first past the post is good enough for horse racing...." ::)
"Politicians might renege on their promises" :o
Yeah, I caught this last night. :D
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 12, 2011, 10:47:46 AM
Thats not fair on EG.
Thank You.
For the record, I completely despise the BNP and everything it stands for.
And whilst I don't even know who that old bastard is (in the YouTube video), never mind what age he is, I am entirely certain that I am somewhat younger than him, both in my thinking and in my years.
Quote from: Minder on April 12, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
Anyone read about Martin McGuiness speaking about Ronan Kerr at a Sinn Fein event last night? " I would go as far to say that Ronan Kerr voted for Sinn Fein", why the need to say something that could be viewed as divisive about a death of a man that seemed to unite both communities? Pretty crass I thought. Why politicise a mans death? I always thought your vote was private.
"Why politicise a man death?"
Er, because Martin McGuinness is a politician, and there's an election coming up?
Quite honestly, such a tactic is no different from his attempt to "sectarianise" McGimpsey's decision to withhold funding for the new Cancer Unit at Altnagelvin - each is pretty disgraceful (imo).
Still, I suppose it's an advance by McGuinness from a few years back, when he and his cronies weren't just trying to exploit the likes of Constable Kerr, or demonise McGimpsey and other Unionist politicians, but were trying to murder them... ::)
Quote from: Evil Genius on April 12, 2011, 04:03:31 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 12, 2011, 10:47:46 AM
Thats not fair on EG.
Thank You.
For the record, I completely despise the BNP and everything it stands for.
And whilst I don't even know who that old b**tard is (in the YouTube video), never mind what age he is, I am entirely certain that I am somewhat younger than him, both in my thinking and in my years.
Just a joke EG, never had you down as a BNP man.
You wouldn't call that auld lad a bastard if you were in dire need of some road salt!
Quote from: AQMP on April 12, 2011, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on April 12, 2011, 04:03:31 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 12, 2011, 10:47:46 AM
Thats not fair on EG.
Thank You.
For the record, I completely despise the BNP and everything it stands for.
And whilst I don't even know who that old b**tard is (in the YouTube video), never mind what age he is, I am entirely certain that I am somewhat younger than him, both in my thinking and in my years.
Just a joke EG, never had you down as a BNP man.
You wouldn't call that auld lad a b**tard if you were in dire need of some road salt!
ha ha seen that, all i got from that advert was that we need money put into roadsalt - crazy stuff
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
So are The BNP!!!
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 12, 2011, 05:16:48 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
So are The BNP!!!
Right on the ball there apples!
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 10, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 10, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Did I hear correctly? UKIP are running for seats in Stormant. Will people vote for them? Hoping to be real opposition in the chamber.
As is the BNP.
Quote from: Minder on April 12, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
Anyone read about Martin McGuiness speaking about Ronan Kerr at a Sinn Fein event last night? " I would go as far to say that Ronan Kerr voted for Sinn Fein", why the need to say something that could be viewed as divisive about a death of a man that seemed to unite both communities? Pretty crass I thought. Why politicise a mans death? I always thought your vote was private.
It didn't strike me as very appropriate or classy.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 12, 2011, 11:44:08 AM
What about the election broadcast on behalf of the No campaign (against AV). Is that the best arguments they have?
"Its a bit complicated" ???
"If first past the post is good enough for horse racing...." ::)
"Politicians might renege on their promises" :o
Parties will generally campaign on AV according to the affect it will have on their own results. Hence Conservatives saying no because they're not transfer friendly, and labour and Lib Dems saying yes, because they transfer to each other and will pass the 50% in many seats at the expense of the Torys. Although I just heard on the BBC News that the No campaign hired the Ulster Hall for an event and a total of 7 people turned up!
wee richie on talkback radio ulster (thursday) tomorrow listen carefully you'll here her chewing her gum slop slop slop ::)
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 12, 2011, 06:33:47 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 12, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
Anyone read about Martin McGuiness speaking about Ronan Kerr at a Sinn Fein event last night? " I would go as far to say that Ronan Kerr voted for Sinn Fein", why the need to say something that could be viewed as divisive about a death of a man that seemed to unite both communities? Pretty crass I thought. Why politicise a mans death? I always thought your vote was private.
It didn't strike me as very appropriate or classy.
Usual suspects here will either ignore it or insist there's nothing wrong with it.
Quote from: gallsman on April 13, 2011, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 12, 2011, 06:33:47 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 12, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
Anyone read about Martin McGuiness speaking about Ronan Kerr at a Sinn Fein event last night? " I would go as far to say that Ronan Kerr voted for Sinn Fein", why the need to say something that could be viewed as divisive about a death of a man that seemed to unite both communities? Pretty crass I thought. Why politicise a mans death? I always thought your vote was private.
It didn't strike me as very appropriate or classy.
Usual suspects here will either ignore it or insist there's nothing wrong with it.
Going for the former.
Haven't seen much Sinn Fein posters up and around Omagh yet. Plenty of SDLP, DUP and UUP.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
Haven't seen much Sinn Fein posters up and around Omagh yet. Plenty of SDLP, DUP and UUP.
armagh plastered in stoops not many shinners
Quote from: lawnseed on April 13, 2011, 11:39:08 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
Haven't seen much Sinn Fein posters up and around Omagh yet. Plenty of SDLP, DUP and UUP.
armagh plastered in stoops not many shinners
Banbridge had a right few SF posters up on Saturday, not too many about on Sunday, typical, they'll be sitting on top of the bonfire on 11th July along with numerous Down flags that were liberated by those brave loyal sons of ulster ::)
Quote from: Banana Man on April 14, 2011, 09:08:43 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 13, 2011, 11:39:08 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
Haven't seen much Sinn Fein posters up and around Omagh yet. Plenty of SDLP, DUP and UUP.
armagh plastered in stoops not many shinners
Banbridge had a right few SF posters up on Saturday, not too many about on Sunday, typical, they'll be sitting on top of the bonfire on 11th July along with numerous Down flags that were liberated by those brave loyal sons of ulster ::)
Is that not what Down flags are for? Burning? :D
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 14, 2011, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on April 14, 2011, 09:08:43 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 13, 2011, 11:39:08 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
Haven't seen much Sinn Fein posters up and around Omagh yet. Plenty of SDLP, DUP and UUP.
armagh plastered in stoops not many shinners
Banbridge had a right few SF posters up on Saturday, not too many about on Sunday, typical, they'll be sitting on top of the bonfire on 11th July along with numerous Down flags that were liberated by those brave loyal sons of ulster ::)
Is that not what Down flags are for? Burning? :D
i suppose they were up on the lamposts that long this summer the were only fit for burning at the finish ;D
@EamonnMallie
Eamonn Mallie
PSNI investigating a petrol bomb attack in Coagh Co.Tyrone tonight. A can of petrol thrown at a car owned by P/McGlone worker.
@EamonnMallie
Eamonn Mallie
Councillor Christine Mac Flynn and colleague noticed young man removing McGlone poster in Coagh. He ran off. Petrol bomb beneath SDLP car.
Likely culprits?
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2011, 09:47:25 PM
@EamonnMallie
Eamonn Mallie
PSNI investigating a petrol bomb attack in Coagh Co.Tyrone tonight. A can of petrol thrown at a car owned by P/McGlone worker.
@EamonnMallie
Eamonn Mallie
Councillor Christine Mac Flynn and colleague noticed young man removing McGlone poster in Coagh. He ran off. Petrol bomb beneath SDLP car.
Likely culprits?
Shhhhhhsssshhhhhhh
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2011, 09:47:25 PM
@EamonnMallie
Eamonn Mallie
PSNI investigating a petrol bomb attack in Coagh Co.Tyrone tonight. A can of petrol thrown at a car owned by P/McGlone worker.
@EamonnMallie
Eamonn Mallie
Councillor Christine Mac Flynn and colleague noticed young man removing McGlone poster in Coagh. He ran off. Petrol bomb beneath SDLP car.
Likely culprits?
I'm genuinely surprised at this. Not that someone in Coagh was going to petrol bomb a car belonging to an SDLP member but that they were putting up SDLP posters in Coagh.
I would think the likely culprit would be one of the loyal sons of Ulster.
Anyone watching VoteNI on UTV at the minute? Talking about 1st Minister at the minute.
Jim McAllister is some boy, still stuck in the past.
They all fairly rounded up and turned on Mike Nesbitt over the cancer unit in Derry.
Jim is so smug its unreal. I love the way he pronounces the letter L as the letter R Listen to him next time he speaks, its really funny particularly when he has to use the word 'election'
Did anyone see the UUP PEB this evening after the news? I wasn't sure if it was a sketch from a comedy show, or the real thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaCQLpOP_g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaCQLpOP_g)
I think John O Dowd won the debate with Jim last night. ::)
Quote from: JUst retired on April 15, 2011, 08:29:30 AM
I think John O Dowd won the debate with Jim last night. ::)
I think that Arlene Foster was far and away the most capable politician on that show last night.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 15, 2011, 12:25:07 AM
Did anyone see the UUP PEB this evening after the news? I wasn't sure if it was a sketch from a comedy show, or the real thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaCQLpOP_g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaCQLpOP_g)
It is a cringefest. And anyone who didn't know would think that Mike Nesbitt is the party leader.
Quote from: Feckitt on April 15, 2011, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: JUst retired on April 15, 2011, 08:29:30 AM
I think John O Dowd won the debate with Jim last night. ::)
I think that Arlene Foster was far and away the most capable politician on that show last night.
They were both head and shoulders above the rest of them, but if I had to call which of the two won, I'd have to say Arlene. Wasn't much between them though. Mike got a fair whipping, Dolores did ok I guess. Trevor, he added nothing to the debate. As for Jim, well we know what we're getting I suppose.
SDLP Upper Bann Assembly candidate Dolores Kelly has suffered minor injuries after her car windscreen was smashed in Kilwilkie today.
Fri 15th April
Mrs Kelly, who was in the car at the time, sustained cuts to her hand in the incident which took place at the Bells Row crossing but said it would not deter her from her speaking out against those engaging in intimidation and terror.
She said: "I have no doubt my car was deliberately targeted by these mindless hooligans who are intent in wreaking havoc in this area.
"Despite the damage to my car, which will require a new windscreen, and my injuries it will not stop me from speaking out against those engaging in anti-social behaviour.
"Just like my colleagues in Tyrone who were attacked with a petrol bomb last night we in the SDLP are determined to stand strong against all forms of violence and intimidation."
drove past kilwilkee earlier, there must have been around 20 landrovers in the area!
QuoteAnd anyone who didn't know would think that Mike Nesbitt is the party leader.
Do you suppose that does any harm to the UU cause, as compared to knowing who the real leader is?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 15, 2011, 07:09:33 PM
QuoteAnd anyone who didn't know would think that Mike Nesbitt is the party leader.
Do you suppose that does any harm to the UU cause, as compared to knowing who the real leader is?
Not at all, but it speaks volumes in relation to the confidence the UUP has in its new leader!
stoops taking down posters already.. following a comment from a caller on talkback to mags ritchie about the number of stoop election posters, these cretins actually went out and took some down
you call, we haul..... ::)
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 10:49:01 AM
stoops taking down posters already.. following a comment from a caller on talkback to mags ritchie about the number of stoop election posters, these cretins actually went out and took some down
you call, we haul..... ::)
Where? Any source?
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 10:49:01 AM
stoops taking down posters already.. following a comment from a caller on talkback to mags ritchie about the number of stoop election posters, these cretins actually went out and took some down
you call, we haul..... ::)
Where? Any source?
keady.. source- my own eyes. correction my own rolling eyes
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 10:49:01 AM
stoops taking down posters already.. following a comment from a caller on talkback to mags ritchie about the number of stoop election posters, these cretins actually went out and took some down
you call, we haul..... ::)
Where? Any source?
keady.. source- my own eyes. correction my own rolling eyes
And you went over and asked them why they were taking them down and they told you that they were doing so because Ritchie had told them to do so because somebody had complained on Talkback?
Good man Lawnseed, sensible as usual
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 15, 2011, 06:49:50 PM
SDLP Upper Bann Assembly candidate Dolores Kelly has suffered minor injuries after her car windscreen was smashed in Kilwilkie today.
Fri 15th April
Mrs Kelly, who was in the car at the time, sustained cuts to her hand in the incident which took place at the Bells Row crossing but said it would not deter her from her speaking out against those engaging in intimidation and terror.
She said: "I have no doubt my car was deliberately targeted by these mindless hooligans who are intent in wreaking havoc in this area.
"Despite the damage to my car, which will require a new windscreen, and my injuries it will not stop me from speaking out against those engaging in anti-social behaviour.
"Just like my colleagues in Tyrone who were attacked with a petrol bomb last night we in the SDLP are determined to stand strong against all forms of violence and intimidation."
No mention of the similar incidents experienced by SF canvassers over the past fee weeks in Kilwilkie and Craigavon. Of course the Stoops don't actually have the balls to canvass these areas anymore - Dolores was driving through Bells Row at the time, not Kilwilkie.
Quote from: Ulick on April 17, 2011, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 15, 2011, 06:49:50 PM
SDLP Upper Bann Assembly candidate Dolores Kelly has suffered minor injuries after her car windscreen was smashed in Kilwilkie today.
Fri 15th April
Mrs Kelly, who was in the car at the time, sustained cuts to her hand in the incident which took place at the Bells Row crossing but said it would not deter her from her speaking out against those engaging in intimidation and terror.
She said: "I have no doubt my car was deliberately targeted by these mindless hooligans who are intent in wreaking havoc in this area.
"Despite the damage to my car, which will require a new windscreen, and my injuries it will not stop me from speaking out against those engaging in anti-social behaviour.
"Just like my colleagues in Tyrone who were attacked with a petrol bomb last night we in the SDLP are determined to stand strong against all forms of violence and intimidation."
No mention of the similar incidents experienced by SF canvassers over the past fee weeks in Kilwilkie and Craigavon. Of course the Stoops don't actually have the balls to canvass these areas anymore - Dolores was driving through Bells Row at the time, not Kilwilkie.
Because of physical threats by Provo admirers. They haven t gone away, you know
Not quite sure what you're getting at Gaffer but in case you didn't know it's supporters of our dissidents friends who were most likely responsible. They reserve a special loathing for Kelly as although she's always first on tv with her condemnations, she won't actually come into the area to canvass or do any other political work. Compare and contrast with big John who has been subject to the same intimidation but doesn't request a PSNI escort to go about his business there.
Are there any RSF candidates from lurgan this year?
i think there was one from the area last year?
Quote from: Ulick on April 17, 2011, 04:39:49 PM
Not quite sure what you're getting at Gaffer but in case you didn't know it's supporters of our dissidents friends who were most likely responsible. They reserve a special loathing for Kelly as although she's always first on tv with her condemnations, she won't actually come into the area to canvass or do any other political work. Compare and contrast with big John who has been subject to the same intimidation but doesn't request a PSNI escort to go about his business there.
Big hard John, eh?
Can you blame her for not going in?
Quote from: Ulick on April 17, 2011, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 15, 2011, 06:49:50 PM
SDLP Upper Bann Assembly candidate Dolores Kelly has suffered minor injuries after her car windscreen was smashed in Kilwilkie today.
Fri 15th April
Mrs Kelly, who was in the car at the time, sustained cuts to her hand in the incident which took place at the Bells Row crossing but said it would not deter her from her speaking out against those engaging in intimidation and terror.
She said: "I have no doubt my car was deliberately targeted by these mindless hooligans who are intent in wreaking havoc in this area.
"Despite the damage to my car, which will require a new windscreen, and my injuries it will not stop me from speaking out against those engaging in anti-social behaviour.
"Just like my colleagues in Tyrone who were attacked with a petrol bomb last night we in the SDLP are determined to stand strong against all forms of violence and intimidation."
No mention of the similar incidents experienced by SF canvassers over the past fee weeks in Kilwilkie and Craigavon. Of course the Stoops don't actually have the balls to canvass these areas anymore - Dolores was driving through Bells Row at the time, not Kilwilkie.
I didn't see any mentions of the similar incidents, but i'm open to hearing about them.
Do SF tear down other parties posters in the 6 counties too?
If you drive through Armagh you'd think Thomas O'Hanlon (SDLP) was the only person up for election. Didn't see one SF poster.
Quote from: Gaffer on April 17, 2011, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 17, 2011, 04:39:49 PM
Not quite sure what you're getting at Gaffer but in case you didn't know it's supporters of our dissidents friends who were most likely responsible. They reserve a special loathing for Kelly as although she's always first on tv with her condemnations, she won't actually come into the area to canvass or do any other political work. Compare and contrast with big John who has been subject to the same intimidation but doesn't request a PSNI escort to go about his business there.
Big hard John, eh?
Can you blame her for not going in?
She's supposed to be the elected representative for the area and always has something to say when there's trouble so yes I do "blame" her for not going in - its what she's paid to do. By neglecting the area she's abandoning the vast majority of good people there to the thugs.
why dont the stoops send in the portuguese lad or the polish women might as well break them in
Quote from: Ulick on April 17, 2011, 08:56:47 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 17, 2011, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 17, 2011, 04:39:49 PM
Not quite sure what you're getting at Gaffer but in case you didn't know it's supporters of our dissidents friends who were most likely responsible. They reserve a special loathing for Kelly as although she's always first on tv with her condemnations, she won't actually come into the area to canvass or do any other political work. Compare and contrast with big John who has been subject to the same intimidation but doesn't request a PSNI escort to go about his business there.
Big hard John, eh?
Can you blame her for not going in?
She's supposed to be the elected representative for the area and always has something to say when there's trouble so yes I do "blame" her for not going in - its what she's paid to do. By neglecting the area she's abandoning the vast majority of good people there to the thugs.
Do SF's West Belfast MLAs go door to door in the Shankill? Or what about the North Belfast MLAs in Mount Vernon?
She's elected in that constituency, but i'm guessing she isn't picking up many votes from here. I'd imagine John O'Dowd would get a significant number of votes here.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
dont think the tele is very relevant outside the city maguire
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
dont think the tele is very relevant outside the city maguire
Did you read the link? Questions on all areas of policy - political reform and all areas of the Executive's responsibility. Surely relevant to all, whether in the city or elsewhere.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
dont think the tele is very relevant outside the city maguire
Did you read the link? Questions on all areas of policy - political reform and all areas of the Executive's responsibility. Surely relevant to all, whether in the city or elsewhere.
i sure you read what i posted
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
dont think the tele is very relevant outside the city maguire
Did you read the link? Questions on all areas of policy - political reform and all areas of the Executive's responsibility. Surely relevant to all, whether in the city or elsewhere.
i sure you read what i posted
What does that mean?
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
dont think the tele is very relevant outside the city maguire
the 'belfast' tele.. the secrets in the name
Did you read the link? Questions on all areas of policy - political reform and all areas of the Executive's responsibility. Surely relevant to all, whether in the city or elsewhere.
i sure you read what i posted
What does that mean?
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
dont think the tele is very relevant outside the city maguire
the 'belfast' tele.. the secrets in the name
Did you read the link? Questions on all areas of policy - political reform and all areas of the Executive's responsibility. Surely relevant to all, whether in the city or elsewhere.
i sure you read what i posted
What does that mean?
Are you trying to make this difficult? You type outside the quotes.
And this -
"i sure you read what i posted" - makes no sense to me.
As for the Telegraph, you might question its relevance outside of the city, but if it's talking about party policies and Assembly/Executive responsibilities, then such content is surely relevant across the jurisdiction... that is if you think the work of the Assembly/Executive is relevant across the jurisdiction.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:46:24 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
dont think the tele is very relevant outside the city maguire
the 'belfast' tele.. the secrets in the name
Did you read the link? Questions on all areas of policy - political reform and all areas of the Executive's responsibility. Surely relevant to all, whether in the city or elsewhere.
i sure you read what i posted
What does that mean?
Are you trying to make this difficult? You type outside the quotes.
And this - "i sure you read what i posted" - makes no sense to me.
As for the Telegraph, you might question its relevance outside of the city, but if it's talking about party policies and Assembly/Executive responsibilities, then such content is surely relevant across the jurisdiction... that is if you think the work of the Assembly/Executive is relevant across the jurisdiction.
the assembly's work is 32 county relevant.. the belfast tele that you are so fond of quoting is not. you keep giving links to the belfast telegraph as if it were the last word in newspapers- its not in fact its been in decline for years and compared to 29 years ago when i delivered it by the dozen.. its irrelevant your choice in papers is hardly that of a typical gaa board member try another paper
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 10:00:58 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:46:24 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 17, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
Has anyone else done this yet?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election-2011/vote/
dont think the tele is very relevant outside the city maguire
the 'belfast' tele.. the secrets in the name
Did you read the link? Questions on all areas of policy - political reform and all areas of the Executive's responsibility. Surely relevant to all, whether in the city or elsewhere.
i sure you read what i posted
What does that mean?
Are you trying to make this difficult? You type outside the quotes.
And this - "i sure you read what i posted" - makes no sense to me.
As for the Telegraph, you might question its relevance outside of the city, but if it's talking about party policies and Assembly/Executive responsibilities, then such content is surely relevant across the jurisdiction... that is if you think the work of the Assembly/Executive is relevant across the jurisdiction.
the assembly's work is 32 county relevant.. the belfast tele that you are so fond of quoting is not. you keep giving links to the belfast telegraph as if it were the last word in newspapers- its not in fact its been in decline for years and compared to 29 years ago when i delivered it by the dozen.. its irrelevant your choice in papers is hardly that of a typical gaa board member try another paper
I'm so fond of quoting? How often have I quoted it?
And what relevance has its circulation to my post?
I know it's not a typical paper for GAA board members – it's not a paper I'd buy myself, but as the web content is free, I'd often have a quick read.
The link was to an application to 'test' what party you're most aligned to based on policy. It was actually linked on Slugger. The fact that it's on the Tele's site is largely irrelevant, so I'm not sure why you're trying to pick an argument here.
the point being that it is in fact a 'test' but what is the point of the test if it is only taken by Belfast tele readers, they are i suggest not representative of typical northern Irish people especially outside of Belfast. so it follows that the results of such a test are not a good overview of typical ni opinion. as would the results of a red c poll taken in ballymun only. in truth the results this election are a foregone conclusion we will see an end to the stoops and the uup who have both become irrelevant the tuv will disappear and alliance may pick up some support mainly from stoops and uup defectors who consider themselves 'above all that'
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 10:49:48 PM
the point being that it is in fact a 'test' but what is the point of the test if it is only taken by Belfast tele readers, they are i suggest not representative of typical northern Irish people especially outside of Belfast. so it follows that the results of such a test are not a good overview of typical ni opinion. as would the results of a red c poll taken in ballymun only.
You clearly don't understand what it is. It's not a poll. It's purpose is not to generate representative results, nor is to get a picture of how people across NI are likely to vote. It's for individuals to see whether their views on different policies match their voting habits. It's a personal result for each person answering the 20 questions. If you had read even the first page, that would have been obvious.
Also, I thought you boys didn't make any reference to 'ni'; surely it's 'the north', 'the six counties', or 'here'. :P
so its a test of no consequence.. as i said, it has no consequence and is pointless because the people voting already know how they are going to vote no matter what the test says is their leaning. just how many floating belfast tele readers do you think there are.. forget that there are not that many belfast tele readers.. ;)
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 11:53:16 PM
so its a test of no consequence.. as i said, it has no consequence and is pointless because the people voting already know how they are going to vote no matter what the test says is their leaning. just how many floating belfast tele readers do you think there are.. forget that there are not that many belfast tele readers.. ;)
It might be of no consequence, but you did a similar test for the southern election:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17925.msg919098#msg919098
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 18, 2011, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 11:53:16 PM
so its a test of no consequence.. as i said, it has no consequence and is pointless because the people voting already know how they are going to vote no matter what the test says is their leaning. just how many floating belfast tele readers do you think there are.. forget that there are not that many belfast tele readers.. ;)
It might be of no consequence, but you did a similar test for the southern election:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17925.msg919098#msg919098
yes because they southern election was about change or was supposed to be for change. the northern election is about strengthening the positions of the two largest parties sinn fein and the dup. you will also note that in the poll run on the board sinn fein and left leaning parties did better than who was eventually voted in. if you like i will take the test in the tele but i can tell you that even if i testwise have leanings to the bnp it wont matter one bit on may 5th
Quote from: lawnseed on April 18, 2011, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 18, 2011, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 17, 2011, 11:53:16 PM
so its a test of no consequence.. as i said, it has no consequence and is pointless because the people voting already know how they are going to vote no matter what the test says is their leaning. just how many floating belfast tele readers do you think there are.. forget that there are not that many belfast tele readers.. ;)
It might be of no consequence, but you did a similar test for the southern election:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17925.msg919098#msg919098
yes because they southern election was about change or was supposed to be for change. the northern election is about strengthening the positions of the two largest parties sinn fein and the dup.
Are you saying that because the southern election was 'supposed to be about change', you were open to persuasion as to who you should vote for, but you're not here? Not really buying that.
Quote from: lawnseed on April 18, 2011, 12:14:08 AM
you will also note that in the poll run on the board sinn fein and left leaning parties did better than who was eventually voted in.
Again, this is not a poll. And there is no comparison by the poll on this board, which was of course skewed by people like yourself who voted on the poll but had no vote in the election. But that's totally irrelevant here.
Quote from: lawnseed on April 18, 2011, 12:14:08 AM
if you like i will take the test in the tele but i can tell you that even if i testwise have leanings to the bnp it wont matter one bit on may 5th
I don't care whether you take the test or not – I posted it for anyone who might have an interest, not specifically for you.
Although it speaks volumes that you admit that you wouldn't be swayed by matters of policy.
simon hamilton of the dup on today with fatboy.. did well. nolan did his best to corner him about the prospect of martin as 1st minister but he didnt bite. the politicians from the shinners and the dup have been confident and assured the rest are like little jack russells barking from behind a fence.. its not going to happen for them
Quote from: lawnseed on April 20, 2011, 09:56:02 PM
simon hamilton of the dup on today with fatboy.. did well. nolan did his best to corner him about the prospect of martin as 1st minister but he didnt bite. the politicians from the shinners and the dup have been confident and assured the rest are like little jack russells barking from behind a fence.. its not going to happen for them
And the love-in continues!
I only heard 10 minutes when he refused to give a 'yes/no' answer when asked whether the current budget gave Health enough money to deliver. I also heard him talk about essentially privatising domiciliary care. But if that floats your boat, then fair enough.
Quote from: lawnseed on April 20, 2011, 09:56:02 PM
simon hamilton of the dup on today with fatboy.. did well. nolan did his best to corner him about the prospect of martin as 1st minister but he didnt bite. the politicians from the shinners and the dup have been confident and assured the rest are like little jack russells barking from behind a fence.. its not going to happen for them
I'm told he didn't come across too well. Perhaps as a result of Arlene Foster being the voice of the DUP this election and appearing on every talk show and debate show going.
sinn fein on talkback today martin mcguinness was brilliant, handled himself very well lots of calls from loyalists praising him for his bravery and stance on the rira. i thought he handled the first minister job question beautifully saying he'd only take the job with the support of all the parties. his favourite non shinner politician was dawn purvis i thought he might have said big ian. he definately did himself no harm
wheres gregory.where is campbell? i've got this picture in my head of him locked in some storeroom in stormont bound and gagged til the elections over :D this has to be the most boring election of all time. i see robbos going to sue tom idiot over remarks he made during a tv debate about catriona ruane ffs its the most life i've seen out of any of our politicain so far. wheres jeffrey or singing willy or baby oil berry even mcelduffs gone to ground.. :P
Would bore ye to tears
jez you'd think iris would do something her being nuts and all.. ::)
Quote from: lawnseed on May 01, 2011, 12:11:11 AM
wheres gregory.where is campbell? i've got this picture in my head of him locked in some storeroom in stormont bound and gagged til the elections over :D this has to be the most boring election of all time. i see robbos going to sue tom idiot over remarks he made during a tv debate about catriona ruane ffs its the most life i've seen out of any of our politicain so far. wheres jeffrey or singing willy or baby oil berry even mcelduffs gone to ground.. :P
More importantly where's your apostrophes?
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 01, 2011, 12:29:44 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 01, 2011, 12:11:11 AM
wheres gregory.where is campbell? i've got this picture in my head of him locked in some storeroom in stormont bound and gagged til the elections over :D this has to be the most boring election of all time. i see robbos going to sue tom idiot over remarks he made during a tv debate about catriona ruane ffs its the most life i've seen out of any of our politicain so far. wheres jeffrey or singing willy or baby oil berry even mcelduffs gone to ground.. :P
More importantly where's your apostrophes?
"Where
are your apostrophes?"
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 01, 2011, 12:32:20 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 01, 2011, 12:29:44 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 01, 2011, 12:11:11 AM
wheres gregory.where is campbell? i've got this picture in my head of him locked in some storeroom in stormont bound and gagged til the elections over :D this has to be the most boring election of all time. i see robbos going to sue tom idiot over remarks he made during a tv debate about catriona ruane ffs its the most life i've seen out of any of our politicain so far. wheres jeffrey or singing willy or baby oil berry even mcelduffs gone to ground.. :P
More importantly where's your apostrophes?
"Where are your apostrophes?"
here we go two tubes of cyber tippex :D
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 01, 2011, 12:29:44 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 01, 2011, 12:11:11 AM
wheres gregory.where is campbell? i've got this picture in my head of him locked in some storeroom in stormont bound and gagged til the elections over :D this has to be the most boring election of all time. i see robbos going to sue tom idiot over remarks he made during a tv debate about catriona ruane ffs its the most life i've seen out of any of our politicain so far. wheres jeffrey or singing willy or baby oil berry even mcelduffs gone to ground.. :P
More importantly where's your apostrophes?
Comma after importantly.
Quote from: lawnseed on April 27, 2011, 08:49:32 PM
sinn fein on talkback today martin mcguinness was brilliant, handled himself very well lots of calls from loyalists praising him for his bravery and stance on the rira. i thought he handled the first minister job question beautifully saying he'd only take the job with the support of all the parties. his favourite non shinner politician was dawn purvis i thought he might have said big ian. he definately did himself no harm
Tell me, Lawnseed, did you manage to prevent yourself from cumming when Wee Marty was on?
And if so, what technique did you use?
A mental image of Sue Ramsey naked?
Or just a mental image of Sue Ramsey...
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 01, 2011, 03:47:41 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on April 27, 2011, 08:49:32 PM
sinn fein on talkback today martin mcguinness was brilliant, handled himself very well lots of calls from loyalists praising him for his bravery and stance on the rira. i thought he handled the first minister job question beautifully saying he'd only take the job with the support of all the parties. his favourite non shinner politician was dawn purvis i thought he might have said big ian. he definately did himself no harm
Tell me, Lawnseed, did you manage to prevent yourself from cumming when Wee Marty was on?
And if so, what technique did you use?
A mental image of Sue Ramsey naked?
Or just a mental image of Sue Ramsey...
I can wait until after the 5/5/11 when i'll have something to celebrate. i assume your not taken with sue ramsey then
Quote from: lawnseed on May 01, 2011, 12:11:11 AMwheres jeffrey or singing willy or baby oil berry even mcelduffs gone to ground.. :P
McElduff is the only one of those four who is a candidate in this election.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
Haven't seen much Sinn Fein posters up and around Omagh yet. Plenty of SDLP, DUP and UUP.
Surely there is an opening for a winning slogan here:
SDLP, DUP, UUP, PUP, IRSP, UKIP.Sinn Féin - taking the P out of Uslter's politics.
Don't forget the BNP.
Quote from: hardstation on May 02, 2011, 01:17:36 AM
Conor Murphy's answer to a question earlier - "Tús maith leath an obair". Just speak English, ya dick.
Noticed that myself. Cringeworthy.
Overall, I didn't think it was his slickest performance either.
anyone see the leaders debate last night?
Piss poor all round i thought
Robinson sounded a bit nervous but came through pretty much unscathed
McGuinness had to field questions on IRA violence as usual ::) TUV lads need to build a bridge and get over it
Forde has to be the most uncharismatic leader of the lot and that includes Ritchie which takes some beating
Takes me onto Ritchie, she got destroyed on the double jobbing question and was like a rabbit in headlights, is this really the best the SDLP has to offer as a leader??
As for Elliott i couldn't even bear to watch him and switched off
On a different note i noticed that a lot of SF posters have been taken down of lamposts in unionist areas while the SDLP posters have remained, i would take that as a sign the Unionists see no threat form the post nationalism offered by the SDLP and also that SF are doing something right
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 02, 2011, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 02, 2011, 01:17:36 AM
Conor Murphy's answer to a question earlier - "Tús maith leath an obair". Just speak English, ya dick.
Noticed that myself. Cringeworthy.
Overall, I didn't think it was his slickest performance either.
Misuse of the Tuisil Gineadach there. Should have been "Tús maith leath na hoibre."
Shocking stuff.
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 02, 2011, 05:17:46 AM
Don't forget the BNP.
Apparently canvassing around East Belfast recently with the help of head honcho Nick Griffin. They reckon they have been well received. How likely are they to get votes.
They stick enough Union jacks on which will probably impress some people.
Quote from: thejuice on May 04, 2011, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 02, 2011, 05:17:46 AM
Don't forget the BNP.
Apparently canvassing around East Belfast recently with the help of head honcho Nick Griffin. They reckon they have been well received. How likely are they to get votes.
They stick enough Union jacks on which will probably impress some people.
So East Belfast is out for the homecoming?
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
Robinson sounded a bit nervous but came through pretty much unscathed
Didn't notice any nerves at all. He's fairly slick at all this.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
McGuinness had to field questions on IRA violence as usual ::) TUV lads need to build a bridge and get over it
Steady if unspectacular. The 'IRA question' definitely caught him off-guard but he improved after that.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
Forde has to be the most uncharismatic leader of the lot and that includes Ritchie which takes some beating
Thought Forde was actually pretty good. General consenus is that he did a good job.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
Takes me onto Ritchie, she got destroyed on the double jobbing question and was like a rabbit in headlights, is this really the best the SDLP has to offer as a leader??
Very poor on first question. Is never good on these things and lacks ability to think on her feet. All she had to say on double-jobbing is that they weren't going to disadvantage themselves as long as the DUP and SF continue with double-jobbing. Instead she rambled. She recovered somewhat during the 'debate' section and landed a few jibes. But we know she's not the best the SDLP has to offer, so why even ask the question?
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
As for Elliott i couldn't even bear to watch him and switched off
Not sure what he's at. Sounds like he's trying to position the UUP as more extreme than the DUP. Basil must be about ready to jump.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
On a different note i noticed that a lot of SF posters have been taken down of lamposts in unionist areas while the SDLP posters have remained, i would take that as a sign the Unionists see no threat form the post nationalism offered by the SDLP and also that SF are doing something right
Maybe it's a reflection of the success of SF's 'Director of Unioinst Outreach'?
Right the election is almost here at last. Don't just cross your fingers and hope that your party will do well. Text your friend/brother/sister/cousin/neighbour and encourage them to get out and vote.
1. Get out and vote
2. Transfer your vote
3. Encourage your friends and family to get out and vote.
A quick text is all it takes, oh and don't forget your ID.
Quote from: Feckitt on May 04, 2011, 09:37:20 PM
A quick text is all it takes
You can't vote by text - this isn't the X-Factor. :P
Has anyone else used this? Decent site for doing predictions.
http://www.assembly2011.co.uk/
I know where my vote's going!!!
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Quote from: The Gs Man on May 04, 2011, 10:53:00 PM
I know where my vote's going!!!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eQjR-WeaVPY/S8c6dIKxaTI/AAAAAAAAASY/G4avUMAM9P0/s1600/vote-for-pedro.jpg)
Is this really Gregory Campbell and Sammy Wilson in their college days? ;D
Quote from: Orangemac on May 04, 2011, 11:07:50 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on May 04, 2011, 10:53:00 PM
I know where my vote's going!!!
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Is this really Gregory Campbell and Sammy Wilson in their college days? ;D
Not at all. It's obviously Marty McGuinness and Catriona Ruane.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 04, 2011, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
Robinson sounded a bit nervous but came through pretty much unscathed
Didn't notice any nerves at all. He's fairly slick at all this.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
McGuinness had to field questions on IRA violence as usual ::) TUV lads need to build a bridge and get over it
Steady if unspectacular. The 'IRA question' definitely caught him off-guard but he improved after that.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
Forde has to be the most uncharismatic leader of the lot and that includes Ritchie which takes some beating
Thought Forde was actually pretty good. General consenus is that he did a good job.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
Takes me onto Ritchie, she got destroyed on the double jobbing question and was like a rabbit in headlights, is this really the best the SDLP has to offer as a leader??
Very poor on first question. Is never good on these things and lacks ability to think on her feet. All she had to say on double-jobbing is that they weren't going to disadvantage themselves as long as the DUP and SF continue with double-jobbing. Instead she rambled. She recovered somewhat during the 'debate' section and landed a few jibes. But we know she's not the best the SDLP has to offer, so why even ask the question?
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
As for Elliott i couldn't even bear to watch him and switched off
Not sure what he's at. Sounds like he's trying to position the UUP as more extreme than the DUP. Basil must be about ready to jump.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 04, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
On a different note i noticed that a lot of SF posters have been taken down of lamposts in unionist areas while the SDLP posters have remained, i would take that as a sign the Unionists see no threat form the post nationalism offered by the SDLP and also that SF are doing something right
Maybe it's a reflection of the success of SF's 'Director of Unioinst Outreach'?
well i honestly don't know if she's the best or not Maguire, that's why i asked, who in your opinion would be better?
i would agree Elliott seems to be trying to be more extreme, seriously don't know what position that party is going, as you say you have Basil who seems a decent enough lad trying to engage with everyone then Elliott saying he would not serve as deputy to Mcguiness when we all know he has no chance of getting near enough seats to outweigh the DUP
as for the posters being taken down i would say it's more the panic that SF might make first minister (which imo is not going to happen) and they think they will reduce the possibility by eradicating all visibility of them
So when does the counting start/end?
I think the count starts at 9 tomorrow morning and apparently the AV Vote is going to be done first
Assembly elections tomorrow at 9.
AV elections tomorrow at 4.
Local elections, Monday.
Quote from: Banana Man on May 05, 2011, 09:05:13 AM
well i honestly don't know if she's the best or not Maguire, that's why i asked, who in your opinion would be better?
For a start:
Patsy McGlone
Alban Maginness
Conall McDevitt
Alasdair McDonnell
Also, whilst probably not as a party leader, there are others in the Assembly group, such as Dolores Kelly, who would handle such 'debates' a lot better.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 05, 2011, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on May 05, 2011, 09:05:13 AM
well i honestly don't know if she's the best or not Maguire, that's why i asked, who in your opinion would be better?
For a start:
Patsy McGlone
Alban Maginness
Conall McDevitt
Alasdair McDonnell
Also, whilst probably not as a party leader, there are others in the Assembly group, such as Dolores Kelly, who would handle such 'debates' a lot better.
Alban Maginness is probably the only one i would say is better, McDonnell is just condesending and won't partake in debate, McGlone is a 'local man' - in that he is great at rural planning and the like but i just couldn't see him being able to lead a whole party.
McDevitt doesn't contribute much either from what i've seen, i haven't seen him do any wrong either though in fairness, he is just sort of there and not important enough if you follow me
Not much to choose from in fairness then
Can a provisional license be used to vote?
Just voted. Busy polling station. I wouldn't leave it to the last minute as it seems to be taking the election agents a bit of time to administer and explain the 3 ballot papers.
Also, spotted this Tweet earlier. Interesting!
Seamas_deFaoite
In for a bite to eat. Saw Michael McGimpsey oversee one of his team remove all of Mark Finlay's posters from outside Harding Memorial. #ae11
I work for a company who support adults with a learning disabity and had one of the men down voting in Cookstown. He completed his business and when we were leaving Ian McCrea jnr said good bye to us on the way out. Out of the blue (and with complete naivety) my man gives him a big smile and says "Don't worry I voted the right men, Sinn Fein!" ;)
What is the craic with the alternative vote. I did not have a clue what to do there? Have not read this thread so maybe already discussed?
Quote from: EC Unique on May 05, 2011, 06:45:41 PM
What is the craic with the alternative vote. I did not have a clue what to do there? Have not read this thread so maybe already discussed?
Basically it's a referendum to change the voting system across the water from a single vote for one party to a system where you cab vote in order of preference and the first man/woman to get ast 50% wins. I gather labour and Lib dems pushing for it as they're more likely to transfer votes to each other than the Tories.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 05, 2011, 06:45:41 PM
What is the craic with the alternative vote. I did not have a clue what to do there? Have not read this thread so maybe already discussed?
If you look at the party positions, i'd imagine you'd vote 'Yes'.
Labour, Lib Dems, SDLP, SF - Yes
Tories, DUP, UUP - No
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 05, 2011, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 05, 2011, 06:45:41 PM
What is the craic with the alternative vote. I did not have a clue what to do there? Have not read this thread so maybe already discussed?
If you look at the party positions, i'd imagine you'd vote 'Yes'.
Labour, Lib Dems, SDLP, SF - Yes
Tories, DUP, UUP - No
I indeed placed an x beside yes. A lucky guess. :D
Just voted, did the usually brought my 7 year old girl in to pick and mix ;D ;D
I think its a fairer option. Wife was in the other booth was puzzled look, "who do I vote for" I said " eeny meeny miny mo, catch a dickhead by the toe"
Very low profile election but the results could change the Executive Ministers.
Having the Shinners at my door every couple of hours to get my wife to vote, as she hasnt voted yet, is a pain in the hole.
QuoteHaving the Shinners at my door every couple of hours to get my wife to vote, as she hasnt voted yet, is a pain in the hole.
Send her out to vote for someone else.
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2011, 08:52:59 PM
Having the Shinners at my door every couple of hours to get my wife to vote, as she hasnt voted yet, is a pain in the hole.
Surprised I must say.
Would expect them to nick it for someone they bussed in from Dundalk
Or maybe that was decommisioned too !!
Went into it with an open mind, as I said I would, but still the Unionists didn't come near me. However, kinda glad about that as Nelson is standing in my constituency and would have found it hard...
Had a massive debate/argument in work about AV. Not sure it'll get through. Voted yes anyway.
Quote from: Rois on May 06, 2011, 12:16:07 AM
Had a massive debate/argument in work about AV. Not sure it'll get through. Voted yes anyway.
I had read that bookies had already paid out on it being defeated earlier in the week. Not sure where I read it or how reliable it is. But it's not expected to be successful.
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2011, 08:52:59 PM
Having the Shinners at my door every couple of hours to get my wife to vote, as she hasnt voted yet, is a pain in the hole.
Hate those feckers that take one-woman-one-vote for granted ;)
The DUP's Jim Wells is in hospital tonight, as one of his election posters fell on him tonight and broke his collar bone.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 05, 2011, 07:13:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 05, 2011, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 05, 2011, 06:45:41 PM
What is the craic with the alternative vote. I did not have a clue what to do there? Have not read this thread so maybe already discussed?
If you look at the party positions, i'd imagine you'd vote 'Yes'.
Labour, Lib Dems, SDLP, SF - Yes
Tories, DUP, UUP - No
I indeed placed an x beside yes. A lucky guess. :D
Jesus wept. Endlessly.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2011, 01:24:41 AM
The DUP's Jim Wells is in hospital tonight, as one of his election posters fell on him tonight and broke his collar bone.
Wells
Republican Cargo no doubt!
Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2011, 01:24:41 AM
The DUP's Jim Wells is in hospital tonight, as one of his election posters fell on him tonight and broke his collar bone.
He'll have to shoulder the blame for that himself.
He will probably claim of drd now.
HSE will hardly get involved?
Quote from: Rois on May 06, 2011, 12:16:07 AM
Went into it with an open mind, as I said I would, but still the Unionists didn't come near me. However, kinda glad about that as Nelson is standing in my constituency and would have found it hard...
Had a massive debate/argument in work about AV. Not sure it'll get through. Voted yes anyway.
WTF are (assuming) Irish people Northern or Southern arguing about the merits of AV for when we've all been brought up on full blown PR? ??? The only trouble with AV is that it doesn't go far enough - it's a bit of a cop-out.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 06, 2011, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: Rois on May 06, 2011, 12:16:07 AM
Went into it with an open mind, as I said I would, but still the Unionists didn't come near me. However, kinda glad about that as Nelson is standing in my constituency and would have found it hard...
Had a massive debate/argument in work about AV. Not sure it'll get through. Voted yes anyway.
WTF are (assuming) Irish people Northern or Southern arguing about the merits of AV for when we've all been brought up on full blown PR? ??? The only trouble with AV is that it doesn't go far enough - it's a bit of a cop-out.
That was actually one of the points made by the guy I was arguing with - it was an acceptable solution for both Conservatives and Lib Dems but didn't go far enough for the Lib Dems, and his view was that this, and any other compromise decision made by a coalition, is not the best solution as it will never fully achieve one side's aims. I gave up when he said that about compromises.
Early tallies have SF doing very well in Upper Bann and East Antrim. TUV don't seem to be doing well so I suspect SF could add one to their existing seat in Upper Bann with the SDLPs Dolores Kelly in a dogfight for the last. Three nationalist seats in Upper Bann and one in the unionist heartland of East Antrim would be a tremendous result.
Does East Antrim not now include a lot of the Glens. I would have thought a nationalist seat there would be very doable in this situation.
There's a Nationalist seat now due to boundary changes. Probably SF's if they stay ahead of SDLP.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2011, 12:20:49 PM
Does East Antrim not now include a lot of the Glens. I would have thought a nationalist seat there would be very doable in this situation.
There are new boundaries which will help but last year SF & SDLP were on 6.8% & 6.5% respectively. So there could just about be a nationalist quota but will depend on one transferring completely to the other - which is unlikely at this stage (IMO).
Quotedepend on one transferring completely to the other - which is unlikely at this stage (IMO).
So if there is not seat it is the fault of those who do not transfer.
Not filling out your ballot is almost as bad as not voting.
I'm not saying it would be anyone's fault, just that there is always leakage even in the most well managed vote between party colleagues, so when the margins are so thin as here it would make it even more unlikely when depending transfers from another party. Still very early days, it's numerically possible, so I'm hopeful.
Not a good day for the UUP, I would have thought. Alliance to pick up a seat or two from them, and the DUP likewise.
Quote from: Ulick on May 06, 2011, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 06, 2011, 12:20:49 PM
Does East Antrim not now include a lot of the Glens. I would have thought a nationalist seat there would be very doable in this situation.
There are new boundaries which will help but last year SF & SDLP were on 6.8% & 6.5% respectively. So there could just about be a nationalist quota but will depend on one transferring completely to the other - which is unlikely at this stage (IMO).
Is it Oliver McMullan in E Antrim? East Antrim boundary is long and narrow and finishes around Cushendun so although there would be a sizeable Nationalist population between Cushendun and Carnlough it drops off dramatically as you move towards Larne which obviously will be a key voting centre for DUP etc.
I thought Orla Black would have ran for SDLP in E. Antrim this time round but apparently she's had another baby and has backed out.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 06, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
I thought Orla Black would have ran for SDLP in E. Antrim this time round but apparently she's had another baby and has backed out.
A pity for them. I'm fairly friendly with Justin McCamphill and he's not the easiest person to warm to if you don't know him. He was never going to do anything for the SDLP in East Antrim.
East Antrim turnout is very low at 48%, if the nationalists made an effort they could have a quota.
Is this a prod taig head count or is it about getting the right person for the job?
The calibre of the candidates put a few people off voting in the council elections in Waterfoot, Cushendall from what I head.
There's seems to be a lot of talk about voters republicans giving SF their number 1 and the DUP their number 2 and unionists giving DUP thier number 1 vote and SF their number 2 vote.
We have indeed come a long way if true.
Didn't the unionists give Margaret Ritchie a helping hand in the Westminster election last year and Michelle Gildernew a helping hand in Fermangh South Tyrone as well ?.
Tribal politics coming to an end ?.
When are the first results due?
Out of interest, how close to the polling station are party officials allowed to canvass on election day?
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2011, 04:41:16 PM
There's seems to be a lot of talk about voters republicans giving SF their number 1 and the DUP their number 2 and unionists giving DUP thier number 1 vote and SF their number 2 vote.
We have indeed come a long way if true.
Didn't the unionists give Margaret Ritchie a helping hand in the Westminster election last year and Michelle Gildernew a helping hand in Fermangh South Tyrone as well ?.
Tribal politics coming to an end ?.
No, they selected a "Unionist Unity" candidate in FST in the hope of having one less taig in Westminster. SF (backed up by the usual suspects here) gave off stink because the SDLP wouldn't stand down their candidate and risk having one more prod in Westminster.
Tribal politics coming to an end? Not a chance.
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2011, 04:41:16 PM
There's seems to be a lot of talk about voters republicans giving SF their number 1 and the DUP their number 2 and unionists giving DUP thier number 1 vote and SF their number 2 vote.
We have indeed come a long way if true.
Didn't the unionists give Margaret Ritchie a helping hand in the Westminster election last year and Michelle Gildernew a helping hand in Fermangh South Tyrone as well ?.
Tribal politics coming to an end ?.
I hope it does, but I won't hold out on that.
At my polling station they were doing barbeque's and free burgers and hot dogs!! Voting in the morning, afternoon and at night i was stuffed!!
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2011, 04:41:16 PM
There's seems to be a lot of talk about voters republicans giving SF their number 1 and the DUP their number 2 and unionists giving DUP thier number 1 vote and SF their number 2 vote.
We have indeed come a long way if true.
I should be very interested to know whether that is true.
And greatly surprised (especially since the DUP are desperate to remain the biggest Party ahead of SF, so as to retain the OFM post)
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2011, 04:41:16 PMDidn't the unionists give Margaret Ritchie a helping hand in the Westminster election last year
No idea myself, but I wouldn't entirely dismiss the possibility, seeing as in West Belfast, the Shankill apparently used to swing behind Gerry Fitt and Joe Hendron etc, in order to keep out You-Know-Who
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2011, 04:41:16 PMDidn't the unionists give... ... Michelle Gildernew a helping hand in Fermangh South Tyrone as well ?.
You must be f**king joking! ::)
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2011, 04:41:16 PMTribal politics coming to an end?
Possible, I suppose, but imo far more likely a means to an end i.e. tactical voting in order to
suit ones own Tribe.
Latest from count centre in Bannbridge, SF now confident of taking two seats.
This is taking forever! And we never really see the full picture until the sixth seat is decided - the first 3/4 are generally clear enough early on.
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 06, 2011, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2011, 04:41:16 PMDidn't the unionists give... ... Michelle Gildernew a helping hand in Fermangh South Tyrone as well ?.
You must be f**king joking! ::)
Wouldn't be so quick to rule that one out. Heard at the time that Protestants farmers were backing Michelle because of the work she had done for them in that area. Assuming that Protestant means a Unionist vote then orangeman could be right.
Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
John O'Down through in Upper Bann. David Vance bombed!
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:13:04 PM
John O'Down through in Upper Bann. David Vance bombed!
what was the quota?
Quote from: The Worker on May 06, 2011, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:13:04 PM
John O'Down through in Upper Bann. David Vance bombed!
what was the quota?
Didn't hear - BBC missed the start of the declaration.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Quote from: Fear Boirche on May 06, 2011, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Sounds like SF haven't balanced their vote well here, leaving Brady nervous for a while. Although SF looking good for a second in Upper Bann.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on May 06, 2011, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Sounds like SF haven't balanced their vote well here, leaving Brady nervous for a while. Although SF looking good for a second in Upper Bann.
Sorry, forgot about Micky there.
Just seems to me, with so many seats, there will be few from SF/DUP sweating as they know they can ride in on the coat tails of some of their more high-profile candidates. I admire their vote management, but does west Belfast really need five SF MLAs?
Quote from: Fear Boirche on May 06, 2011, 07:37:37 PM
Just seems to me, with so many seats, there will be few from SF/DUP sweating as they know they can ride in on the coat tails of some of their more high-profile candidates. I admire their vote management, but does west Belfast really need five SF MLAs?
Particularly when some of them would be regarded as realtively weak, in general and in relation to other SF MLAs.
Having said that, all 5 look safe on early indications, which would be quite a repeat achievement.
Quote from: Fear Boirche on May 06, 2011, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on May 06, 2011, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Sounds like SF haven't balanced their vote well here, leaving Brady nervous for a while. Although SF looking good for a second in Upper Bann.
Sorry, forgot about Micky there.
Just seems to me, with so many seats, there will be few from SF/DUP sweating as they know they can ride in on the coat tails of some of their more high-profile candidates. I admire their vote management, but does west Belfast really need five SF MLAs?
No. Far too many MLAs for a small area but it's all part of the peace dividend. We could comfortably have one taig and one prod MLA in each area if we were serious about a sectarian carveup. Which I think we are!
East Derry - Quota 4,961
Gregory Campbell the only one elected on first count.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 06, 2011, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on May 06, 2011, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on May 06, 2011, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Sounds like SF haven't balanced their vote well here, leaving Brady nervous for a while. Although SF looking good for a second in Upper Bann.
Sorry, forgot about Micky there.
Just seems to me, with so many seats, there will be few from SF/DUP sweating as they know they can ride in on the coat tails of some of their more high-profile candidates. I admire their vote management, but does west Belfast really need five SF MLAs?
No. Far too many MLAs for a small area but it's all part of the peace dividend. We could comfortably have one taig and one prod MLA in each area if we were serious about a sectarian carveup. Which I think we are!
I don't have any real issue with the number of MLAs. Yes, there are a lot of them, but it ensures minorities are represented. And the cost associated with MLAs is a red herring; in the grand scheme of things, it's a drop in the ocean.
Having said that, when the Westminster boundaries are redrawn and reduced, we're likely to see a reduction in the number of MLAs, probably by 12.
Noel Thompson kicks off his interview with Gregory Campbell: "Another four years of double jobbing then?"
Classic!
Lagan Valley
McCrea and Poots in.
TUV bombed again!
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Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Sounds like SF haven't balanced their vote well here, leaving Brady nervous for a while. Although SF looking good for a second in Upper Bann.
Sorry, forgot about Micky there.
Just seems to me, with so many seats, there will be few from SF/DUP sweating as they know they can ride in on the coat tails of some of their more high-profile candidates. I admire their vote management, but does west Belfast really need five SF MLAs?
No. Far too many MLAs for a small area but it's all part of the peace dividend. We could comfortably have one taig and one prod MLA in each area if we were serious about a sectarian carveup. Which I think we are!
I don't have any real issue with the number of MLAs. Yes, there are a lot of them, but it ensures minorities are represented. And the cost associated with MLAs is a red herring; in the grand scheme of things, it's a drop in the ocean.
Having said that, when the Westminster boundaries are redrawn and reduced, we're likely to see a reduction in the number of MLAs, probably by 12.
If you add up all the drops in the ocean you will eventually get an ocean.
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Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Sounds like SF haven't balanced their vote well here, leaving Brady nervous for a while. Although SF looking good for a second in Upper Bann.
Sorry, forgot about Micky there.
Just seems to me, with so many seats, there will be few from SF/DUP sweating as they know they can ride in on the coat tails of some of their more high-profile candidates. I admire their vote management, but does west Belfast really need five SF MLAs?
No. Far too many MLAs for a small area but it's all part of the peace dividend. We could comfortably have one taig and one prod MLA in each area if we were serious about a sectarian carveup. Which I think we are!
I don't have any real issue with the number of MLAs. Yes, there are a lot of them, but it ensures minorities are represented. And the cost associated with MLAs is a red herring; in the grand scheme of things, it's a drop in the ocean.
Having said that, when the Westminster boundaries are redrawn and reduced, we're likely to see a reduction in the number of MLAs, probably by 12.
If you add up all the drops in the ocean you will eventually get an ocean.
But in the grand scheme of drops, I wouldn't be too worried about letting this one through.
Ritchie tops poll in South Down, SDLP up 4.4% although unsure if SDLP have balanced vote enough for a third seat.
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Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Sounds like SF haven't balanced their vote well here, leaving Brady nervous for a while. Although SF looking good for a second in Upper Bann.
Sorry, forgot about Micky there.
Just seems to me, with so many seats, there will be few from SF/DUP sweating as they know they can ride in on the coat tails of some of their more high-profile candidates. I admire their vote management, but does west Belfast really need five SF MLAs?
No. Far too many MLAs for a small area but it's all part of the peace dividend. We could comfortably have one taig and one prod MLA in each area if we were serious about a sectarian carveup. Which I think we are!
I don't have any real issue with the number of MLAs. Yes, there are a lot of them, but it ensures minorities are represented. And the cost associated with MLAs is a red herring; in the grand scheme of things, it's a drop in the ocean.
Having said that, when the Westminster boundaries are redrawn and reduced, we're likely to see a reduction in the number of MLAs, probably by 12.
If you add up all the drops in the ocean you will eventually get an ocean.
But in the grand scheme of drops, I wouldn't be too worried about letting this one through.
Being a North Antrim man I like to see value for money. "Sure it's only a drop in the ocean" is what's wrong with the public sector in NI. There's a bottomless pit of money it seems.
Don't get me wrong - there's plenty of fat to cut. But I wouldn't consider this to be the priority, I just see it as an easy target - very populist.
Disaster after disaster at the F/ST count in Omagh. Their count table has now collapsed lol
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Disaster after disaster at the F/ST count in Omagh. Their count table has now collapsed lol
Feckin' dissidents at it again!
Apparently Ruanation is 6 short of quota. Hay and Martina Anderson look like they're in @Foyle.
Total recount in Derry!! Derry ones cant count!
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Don't get me wrong - there's plenty of fat to cut. But I wouldn't consider this to be the priority, I just see it as an easy target - very populist.
I don't think it's being populist, I just think we're over represented for a population of under 2m. 108 MLAs, 18 MPs, 582 councillors is a lot when you compare it with others
Dail has 166 TDs for a pop of 5m
Scottish parliament has 129 members for pop of 5m
Welsh Assembly has 60 members for pop of 3m.
I don't think more MLAs means more minority parties get in, it just leads to more, weaker candidates from the bigger parties.
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Conor Murphy SF, Danny Kennedy UUP and Dominic Bradley SDLP elected in Newry and Armagh
Jaysus, it took all day to get that - could've told you that last night, no, actually yesterday morning. I suppose it'll be Boylan and Irwin for the last two seats.
We really need to cull the amounty of MLAs, make some of them work for their votes.
Sounds like SF haven't balanced their vote well here, leaving Brady nervous for a while. Although SF looking good for a second in Upper Bann.
Cathal Boylan in - Newry & Armagh. Murphy's surplus.
Quote from: hardstation on May 06, 2011, 08:13:28 PM
Who were the two pricks at either side of Basil McCrea? And who was the blondie?
Oh had a good laugh at those two shiny-faced gimps.
Noel Thompson is great entertainment tonight on BBC.
The counting system here is a joke. It's like something you'd see in Zimbabwe. Are the counters paid by the hour?!
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The counting system here is a joke. It's like something you'd see in Zimbabwe. Are the counters paid by the hour?!
Couple of blades in work are doing it, they could hardly clean their own arse.
Sinn Fein celebratory shouts in Foyle sound like "wheyhey"
UU shouts sound like "woe"
SF's post election party sounds like it'll be better craic.
2023 BBC NI's Louise Cullen, says it is a comedy of errors in Fermanagh South Tyrone and Omagh count. A table has now collapsed sending papers across the floor which will need to be recounted.
Quote from: Rois on May 06, 2011, 09:17:11 PM
Sinn Fein celebratory shouts in Foyle sound like "wheyhey"
UU shouts sound like "woe"
SF's post election party sounds like it'll be better craic.
Ha Ha. Funny when I was listening to that I noted the differances in the cheers. The SF wan sounded more rustic but more rehersed!
Quote from: ONeill on May 06, 2011, 09:37:37 PM
2023 BBC NI's Louise Cullen, says it is a comedy of errors in Fermanagh South Tyrone and Omagh count. A table has now collapsed sending papers across the floor which will need to be recounted.
Once is a misfortune, twice is carelessness.
Jim Allister short of quota and might not take a seat. Result. (But not an official one!)
Watching the results coming in, how Scotty McCreary got through that is beyond me, good to see Hayley get in though
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2023 BBC NI's Louise Cullen, says it is a comedy of errors in Fermanagh South Tyrone and Omagh count. A table has now collapsed sending papers across the floor which will need to be recounted.
Once is a misfortune, twice is carelessness.
I think he was having bother with his carrier pigeon.
Basil McCrea and his mates :D :D
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=d7pqr.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
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Basil McCrea and his mates :D :D
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=d7pqr.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
I think the lad second in from the right is a little bit in love with Basil :)
Like how the Shinners removed all posters (their own) around SSW Antrim this morning.
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Like how the Shinners removed all posters (their own) around SSW Antrim this morning.
That's not all. They made a quare effort at removing everybody else's posters 24 hours previous.
They're nothing if not conscientious! :D
I personally removed Mary Kate Quinn's
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/203143_100002195345044_6895754_n.jpg)
She's in the spare room. Doesn't ask for much.
BBC is reporting there is going to be a complete recount in East Antrim
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I personally removed Mary Kate Quinn's
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/203143_100002195345044_6895754_n.jpg)
She's in the spare room. Doesn't ask for much.
I'm in Lagan Valley myself and SF was the only party that I didn't get anything through the letterbox for. I know they had no hope of an Assembly seat, but thought they'd have something for the Council elections.
At the same time, the SDLP posted a number of Council flyers contradicting each other on the voting order for their 2 candidates.
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Basil McCrea and his mates :D :D
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=d7pqr.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
I think the lad second in from the right is a little bit in love with Basil :)
What a bunch of wee creeps. I remember wee creeps like that at Queen's - particularly remember a weedy wee blonde scrote with glasses. Do the SDLP and SF have equivalents?
Mary Kate was doing the rounds ok - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tohg9gzDtMc&feature=player_embedded
Gerry Kelly and Nelson 'Culture' McCausland elected in North Belfast. Kurt's cousin in trouble, SDLP safe.
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Basil McCrea and his mates :D :D
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=d7pqr.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
I think the lad second in from the right is a little bit in love with Basil :)
He's wasting his time. Basil could only ever love one person ... himself
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Mary Kate was doing the rounds ok - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tohg9gzDtMc&feature=player_embedded
I'm experiencing a strange draw towards Lagan Valley... inexplicable!
DUP hammering SF so far.
Just in the results so far
Democratic Unionist Party 13 -15 154,518 33 0
Sinn Fein 8 -7 92,881 19.8 0
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Basil McCrea and his mates :D :D
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=d7pqr.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
I think the lad second in from the right is a little bit in love with Basil :)
He's wasting his time. Basil could only ever love one person ... himself
Ah I don't know, he's awfully fond of Barry McElduff.
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Just in the results so far
SF lying comfortably second, which is where they were expected to end up, no?
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Just in the results so far
Fcuk sake. That's like saying the Galls are looking like relegation after 3 league games.
Only stating the current results, keep your knickers on O'Neill
Some crap. Hair-dryers, broken tables.
Well it's not as though they are competing with each other. You may as well be comparing Dublin hurlers and Cork footballers.
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Some crap. Hair-dryers, broken tables.
Don't forget laptop problems too.
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Only stating the current results, keep your knickers on O'Neill
Aye but the results will be skewed by the constituency reporting the results. If only West Belfast, Armagh and FST were back, SF would be stuffing the DUP.
No change in West Belfast. Attwood vote up, so he's safe.
Off course they would Tony, I'm only stating what is on the BBC website. All very touchy here, who really gives a fcuk?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 10:52:52 PM
No change in West Belfast. Attwood vote up, so he's safe.
Yes!
SF optimistic of adding a third in Fermanagh South Tyrone. First count due shortly.
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No change in West Belfast. Attwood vote up, so he's safe.
The way Lawnseed was talking I thought SDLP weren't going to get more than a dozen votes throughout the province.
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No change in West Belfast. Attwood vote up, so he's safe.
The way Lawnseed was talking I thought SDLP weren't going to get more than a dozen votes throughout the province.
SDLP might see a slight increase.
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No change in West Belfast. Attwood vote up, so he's safe.
The way Lawnseed was talking I thought SDLP weren't going to get more than a dozen votes throughout the province.
Whilst they had (and still have) vulnerable seats, their percentages are holding up.
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No change in West Belfast. Attwood vote up, so he's safe.
The way Lawnseed was talking I thought SDLP weren't going to get more than a dozen votes throughout the province.
Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan had a vote too had they? :P
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Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 10:52:52 PM
No change in West Belfast. Attwood vote up, so he's safe.
The way Lawnseed was talking I thought SDLP weren't going to get more than a dozen votes throughout the province.
Well I'd say they didn't even get a dozen in Donegal, Cavan & Monaghan combined.
Guns n' Roses - Deadly!
Sinn Fein fairly hammering the DUP now. (Milltown system)
'tis fecking carnage (by Milltown's system)!
West Tyrone - Doherty & McElduff elected.
Mid Ulster - McGuinness & McCrea elected.
Johnny McGibbon elected in Upper Bann for SF.
Does this mean big dolores misses out?
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Sinn Fein fairly hammering the DUP now. (Milltown system)
:D
Michelle O'Neill almost there.
Graphic:
(http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/images/2010/05/20/Michelle_ONeill-p13.jpg)
Tis a wonder no one has ever said to Noel Thompson, 'listen Noel, just fcuk off'.
I was shared an elevator with the DUP's Michelle McIlveen. A good looking woman.
Sammy's back.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
I was shared an elevator with the DUP's Michelle McIlveen. A good looking woman.
(http://www.downnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/DUP-MLA-candidates-Strangford-copy.jpg)
5-6/10
This has been a horror show by the electoral staff.
Quote from: ONeill on May 06, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
I was shared an elevator with the DUP's Michelle McIlveen. A good looking woman.
(http://www.downnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/DUP-MLA-candidates-Strangford-copy.jpg)
5-6/10
What one are you grading?
Quote from: Minder on May 06, 2011, 11:18:57 PM
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Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
I was shared an elevator with the DUP's Michelle McIlveen. A good looking woman.
(http://www.downnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/DUP-MLA-candidates-Strangford-copy.jpg)
5-6/10
What one are you grading?
2nd from left - sack that man's Tailor!
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 06, 2011, 11:18:57 PM
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Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
I was shared an elevator with the DUP's Michelle McIlveen. A good looking woman.
(http://www.downnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/DUP-MLA-candidates-Strangford-copy.jpg)
5-6/10
What one are you grading?
2nd from left - sack that man's Tailor!
Sack his dietician.
Democratic Unionist Party
15 -19 186,698 30.4 0
Sinn Fein
13 -13 158,911 25.9 0
Is the BBC website wrong? watching film, Laptop on
Quote from: The Worker on May 06, 2011, 11:09:38 PM
Johnny McGibbon elected in Upper Bann for SF.
Does this mean big dolores misses out?
She's still in with a chance if she can stay ahead of UUP 2 until Alliace candidates are eliminated.
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Quote from: The Worker on May 06, 2011, 11:09:38 PM
Johnny McGibbon elected in Upper Bann for SF.
Does this mean big dolores misses out?
She's still in with a chance if she can stay ahead of UUP 2 until Alliace candidates are eliminated.
Surely Flash Harry's vote would favour UUP?
Quote from: ONeill on May 06, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
I was shared an elevator with the DUP's Michelle McIlveen. A good looking woman.
(http://www.downnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/DUP-MLA-candidates-Strangford-copy.jpg)
5-6/10
It wasn't the 2nd from left that Ziggy shared a lift (or anything else) with!
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 11:23:42 PM
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Quote from: The Worker on May 06, 2011, 11:09:38 PM
Johnny McGibbon elected in Upper Bann for SF.
Does this mean big dolores misses out?
She's still in with a chance if she can stay ahead of UUP 2 until Alliace candidates are eliminated.
Surely Flash Harry's vote would favour UUP?
Alliance are running two candidates. I think some of that should leak to Dolores. Against the odds but she should be fighting for the last seat.
Vote management looks like letting SF down for the fourth in both Mid Ulster & West Tyrone.
z
Quote from: Ulick on May 06, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
Vote management looks like letting SF down for the fourth in both Mid Ulster & West Tyrone.
Could a party get away with not canvassing for the 'star' candidate (i.e. MP) at all?
Alasdair McDonnell in on second count in South Belfast.
Quote from: Ulick on May 06, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
Vote management looks like letting SF down for the fourth in both Mid Ulster & West Tyrone.
A rare slip up?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13317664
Brilliant!
I see Pat Sheehan (good mate of mine) hasn't got in on the first vote in West Belfast, Maskey and McCann in on first vote. Pat Took over from Gerry, I thought he would have got in on first vote
Will Graham Shields survive this calamity tonight??. The North's electorate has come out in huge numbers again but they have to wait for 3 days to count a few hundred thousand votes.
English voters have their voting efforts recognised in hours, Irish voters are held in contempt...by their own civil/admin system .
Quote from: u bent op uw on May 06, 2011, 11:42:00 PM
Will Graham Shields survive this calamity tonight??. The North's electorate has come out in huge numbers again but they have to wait for 3 days to count a few hundred thousand votes.
English voters have their voting efforts recognised in hours, Irish voters are held in contempt...by their own civil/admin system .
Peter Solan the Great, what about you?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 06, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
Vote management looks like letting SF down for the fourth in both Mid Ulster & West Tyrone.
Could a party get away with not canvassing for the 'star' candidate (i.e. MP) at all?
From what I heard he was only given 5% of the constituency and wee Barry/PD in the region of 10%. I don't think they could have chanced any less.
Michelle Gildernew, Tom Elloitt and Arlene Foster have been elected on 1st count - no surprises there.
??...beating St Pat's Armagh always a good result
This election might show if SF have maxed out their vote last time.
What was the West Tyrone count in terms of numbers?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13319638
Worth a watch!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2011, 11:41:30 PM
I see Pat Sheehan (good mate of mine) hasn't got in on the first vote in West Belfast, Maskey and McCann in on first vote. Pat Took over from Gerry, I thought he would have got in on first vote
Something just doesn't read right there. Gerry Adams isn't running anymore. Pat Sheehan is a new candidate for Sinn Fein.
Did i say Gerry was running for a seat in West Belfast?
A load of lefties out in South Belfast - WP, PBP and SP... as well as Procapitalism.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2011, 11:41:30 PM
I see Pat Sheehan (good mate of mine) hasn't got in on the first vote in West Belfast, Maskey and McCann in on first vote. Pat Took over from Gerry, I thought he would have got in on first vote
Is Pat Took related to his namesake Barry?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 12:07:56 AM
A load of lefties out in South Belfast - WP, PBP and SP... as well as Procapitalism.
Are they like Ronseal?
Quote from: ONeill on May 06, 2011, 11:59:55 PM
This election might show if SF have maxed out their vote last time.
Hard to tell with a low turnout, they could maybe get more hunted out the next time.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2011, 11:41:30 PM
I see Pat Sheehan (good mate of mine) hasn't got in on the first vote in West Belfast, Maskey and McCann in on first vote. Pat Took over from Gerry, I thought he would have got in on first vote
Is Pat Took related to his namesake Barry?
The English police are out. :-* :-*
Quote from: hardstation on May 07, 2011, 12:18:39 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on May 06, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2011, 11:41:30 PM
I see Pat Sheehan (good mate of mine) hasn't got in on the first vote in West Belfast, Maskey and McCann in on first vote. Pat Took over from Gerry, I thought he would have got in on first vote
Something just doesn't read right there. Gerry Adams isn't running anymore. Pat Sheehan is a new candidate for Sinn Fein.
Did i say Gerry was running for a seat in West Belfast?
No, you didn't. It is a bit much to say that he (Barry) Took over from Gerry Adams though, imo. He is a political newbie.
Who's Barry?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2011, 11:41:30 PM
I see Pat Sheehan (good mate of mine) hasn't got in on the first vote in West Belfast, Maskey and McCann in on first vote. Pat Took over from Gerry, I thought he would have got in on first vote
Is Pat Took related to his namesake Barry?
The English police are out. :-* :-*
Nah, he was
tooking the piss!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZgqNYB9718 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZgqNYB9718)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 07, 2011, 12:23:57 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 06, 2011, 11:41:30 PM
I see Pat Sheehan (good mate of mine) hasn't got in on the first vote in West Belfast, Maskey and McCann in on first vote. Pat Took over from Gerry, I thought he would have got in on first vote
Is Pat Took related to his namesake Barry?
The English police are out. :-* :-*
Nah, he was tooking the piss!
No shit Sherlock, he's hilarious. I love his wit
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 07, 2011, 12:27:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZgqNYB9718 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZgqNYB9718)
How many of those 478 views are yours nally?
Quote from: hardstation on May 06, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
Bucko in West Tyrone has a "Sweet Child of Mine" ringtone. He's about 50. Grim.
Was that not the electoral officer? Welcome to the Jungle would have been more appropriate. Seems like a complete farce in Omagh all day.
Latest on Twitter feed is that Alliance transfers will ensure 2 UUP and 1 SDLP in Upper Bann and SF to miss out on second seat.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 12:03:40 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13319638
Worth a watch!
He couldn't come across as any more of a w**ker. Round about 40 seconds in there's a faint shout of "No Surrender" :D :D :D
The only talking point in this election is whether unionist parties get more than 50% of the vote.
Presently SF + SDLP are about 41.1% and neither side parties (Alliance etc) are about 9.5%, so it seems that they will not. Although turnout is low everywhere, there might still be some turnout effects whereas turnout was lowest in E Antrim and higher West of the Bann.
So for you its the prod taig head count?? Classy
Upper Bann - seriously, WTF? ???
Quote from: trileacman on May 07, 2011, 12:36:21 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 07, 2011, 12:27:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZgqNYB9718 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZgqNYB9718)
How many of those 478 views are yours nally?
Just three. So far....
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 12:42:15 AM
Latest on Twitter feed is that Alliance transfers will ensure 2 UUP and 1 SDLP in Upper Bann and SF to miss out on second seat.
Apologies, the last time i checked http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/election2011/constituency/html/36724.stm they had McGibbon elected.
Interesting that SF take more than twice the votes of SDLP in this and end up with the same number of seats.
Quote from: hardstation on May 07, 2011, 12:41:14 AM
Quote from: Orangemac on May 07, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
Was that not the electoral officer? Welcome to the Jungle would have been more appropriate. Seems like a complete farce in Omagh all day.
It was. I'm fairly certain it was "Sweet Child of Mine".
Was it just me or did I hear the following ringtones when these people were speaking?
Gerry Kelly - Jailbreak
Peter Robinson - Mrs Robinson
Martin McGuinness - Just the 2 of us (only when Peter rings)
Margaret Richie - Nowhere (Therapy)
Tom Elliott - Down Down (Status Quo)
Sammy Wilson - Naked in the rain (RHCP)
The count farce continues with only 57 of 144 counters turning up today in Omagh. That's why there is no investment west of the Bann. They're all lazy f**kers ;D
Quote from: hardstation on May 06, 2011, 10:55:59 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2011, 10:52:52 PM
No change in West Belfast. Attwood vote up, so he's safe.
Only fair that the Shankill have a rep.
Marty McGuinness does that very well !
McElduff to Noel Thompson - "Keep 'er lit!" :D
Quote from: The Worker on May 07, 2011, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 12:42:15 AM
Latest on Twitter feed is that Alliance transfers will ensure 2 UUP and 1 SDLP in Upper Bann and SF to miss out on second seat.
Apologies, the last time i checked http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/election2011/constituency/html/36724.stm they had McGibbon elected.
Interesting that SF take more than twice the votes of SDLP in this and end up with the same number of seats.
They didn't manage the split as well as they could have and they're still not terribly transfer friendly.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 11:03:10 AM
The count farce continues with only 57 of 144 counters turning up today in Omagh. That's why there is no investment west of the Bann. They're all lazy f**kers ;D
The rest got caught by the brew (sic) last night.
UUP's John McCallister is one dour sounding fecker!
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2011, 12:17:41 PM
UUP's John McCallister is one dour sounding fecker!
He always sounds half-cut, but he seems a decent enough sort.
Noel Thompson continuing from last night and hammering into Jim Allister.
"Your view is only endorsed by a tiny minority"
"Nevertheless, I will ensure they have a voice that will be heard"
"Yes, a very small voice"
Brilliant.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 12:20:25 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2011, 12:17:41 PM
UUP's John McCallister is one dour sounding fecker!
He always sounds half-cut, but he seems a decent enough sort.
Met him once and he seemed quite a nice guy! Seems to be well liked in South Down from all sides of the community too.
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2011, 12:17:41 PM
UUP's John McCallister is one dour sounding fecker!
Actually I take this back. Having heard Jonathan Craig for the first time, he's the dour fecker. McCallister was positively lively in comparison.
Alex Maskey SF, Conall McDevitt SDLP and Jimmy Spratt DUP all elected S/Belfast under quota.
Tom Elliott at the count - "flags of a foreign land" and "Sinn Fein scum" :o
Poor Tom has lost the plot!!
He really doesn't have a clue!
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 07, 2011, 05:19:33 PM
Poor Tom has lost the plot!!
Looking for the TUV vote by the looks of it.
Is this still on?? How difficult is it to count?
Some terrible results for the SDLP. Despite pretty much holding their percentage, which isn't bad on a low turnout, they've lost out on final seats by very small margains - Fermanagh South Tyrone, Strangford, North Antrim, South Antrim - all seats that could have gone either way and made a massive difference. And many of those lost seats going to the DUP/UUP.
It would be good if it prompted a change in leadership, but it doesn't really look like it's on the cards at the minute - difficult to see who'd stick their neck out.
Fot Nationalism, probably down a number of seats and no evidence of increase in percentage terms. And no sign of any of the predicted 'bounce' from the Dail elections. Would surely be foolish for either SF or the SDLP to make any noises on a referendum in the next term now.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2011, 05:35:07 PM
Is this still on?? How difficult is it to count?
I'd expect we'll see a resignation from the electoral office on the back of this.
And there's more to come with the Council elections!
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
Some terrible results for the SDLP. Despite pretty much holding their percentage, which isn't bad on a low turnout, they've lost out on final seats by very small margains - Fermanagh South Tyrone, Strangford, North Antrim, South Antrim - all seats that could have gone either way and made a massive difference. And many of those lost seats going to the DUP/UUP.
It would be good if it prompted a change in leadership, but it doesn't really look like it's on the cards at the minute - difficult to see who'd stick their neck out.
Fot Nationalism, probably down a number of seats and no evidence of increase in percentage terms. And no sign of any of the predicted 'bounce' from the Dail elections. Would surely be foolish for either SF or the SDLP to make any noises on a referendum in the next term now.
As you have said it will be put to bed for a bit, Disappointing as it would have been interesting to see how that would end up.
The low turn out has hit all parties and SF normally get their vote out so why have they done not as well as predicted? (So far)
So much for Marty becoming First Minister,
Not even nearly !!!!!
Elliot is toast
Quote from: amallon on May 07, 2011, 06:06:26 PM
Elliot is toast
He's a big Fermanagh Munchie !!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
Tom Elliott at the count - "flags of a foreign land" and "Sinn Fein scum" :o
Just seen that on BBC site. What an arsehole.
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
Tom Elliott at the count - "flags of a foreign land" and "Sinn Fein scum" :o
Just seen that on BBC site. What an arsehole.
Kept at it when Paul Clark interviewed him afterwards. He said of Gerry Kelly "an ex-IRA man, well he could still be in it for all I know". In fairness Nigel Dodds agreed with him about the "foreign flag".
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 06:40:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
Tom Elliott at the count - "flags of a foreign land" and "Sinn Fein scum" :o
Just seen that on BBC site. What an arsehole.
Kept at it when Paul Clark interviewed him afterwards. He said of Gerry Kelly "an ex-IRA man, well he could still be in it for all I know". In fairness Nigel Dodds agreed with him about the "foreign flag".
In fairness???????? Dodds didn t condemn the 'scum'statement. Got out of it by suggesting there may have been provacation beforehand, He had no reason to suggesting that at all.
Will probably congrat the Fermanagh munchie at Stormont next week
Let this fool no-one, the vast majority of Unionists want to see the nationalist people back in the 70s with no say, no rights and no chance.
Yes I know Evil Genius will reply with 10 different replies to my statement in nought point three seconds, just like he has commented on Elliots behaviour (yeah right) ::)
Quote from: amallon on May 07, 2011, 06:06:26 PM
Elliot is toast
And the UUP are meant to be the moderate face of unionism. :D
Quote from: Gaffer on May 07, 2011, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 06:40:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
Tom Elliott at the count - "flags of a foreign land" and "Sinn Fein scum" :o
Just seen that on BBC site. What an arsehole.
Kept at it when Paul Clark interviewed him afterwards. He said of Gerry Kelly "an ex-IRA man, well he could still be in it for all I know". In fairness Nigel Dodds agreed with him about the "foreign flag".
In fairness???????? Dodds didn t condemn the 'scum'statement. Got out of it by suggesting there may have been provacation beforehand, He had no reason to suggesting that at all.
Will probably congrat the Fermanagh munchie at Stormont next week
The point I was making was Nigel Dodds wouldn't be a kick in the hole from someone like Elliott in terms of views but it will be lost in the furore over Elliott. Him and Gerry Kelly can sit and congratulate each other all they want and play great mates, and some are taken in by it, but Dodds is the sort that would like to spend his life with his boot on the neck of a Catholic.
some cheek, a UDR thug to call anybody scum
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 07:24:37 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 07, 2011, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 06:40:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
Tom Elliott at the count - "flags of a foreign land" and "Sinn Fein scum" :o
Just seen that on BBC site. What an arsehole.
Kept at it when Paul Clark interviewed him afterwards. He said of Gerry Kelly "an ex-IRA man, well he could still be in it for all I know". In fairness Nigel Dodds agreed with him about the "foreign flag".
In fairness???????? Dodds didn t condemn the 'scum'statement. Got out of it by suggesting there may have been provacation beforehand, He had no reason to suggesting that at all.
Will probably congrat the Fermanagh munchie at Stormont next week
The point I was making was Nigel Dodds wouldn't be a kick in the hole from someone like Elliott in terms of views but it will be lost in the furore over Elliott. Him and Gerry Kelly can sit and congratulate each other all they want and play great mates, and some are taken in by it, but Dodds is the sort that would like to spend his life with his boot on the neck of a Catholic.
His seat will be coming under pressure in the years to come. Natural response of any Unionist beginning to feel the heat is to try and go back in time and further to the right.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 07, 2011, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 07, 2011, 06:06:26 PM
Elliot is toast
And the UUP are meant to be the moderate face of unionism. :D
The problem for him is that the DUP has moved firmly into the centre-ground, so he has nowhere to go.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 07, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
Let this fool no-one, the vast majority of Unionists want to see the nationalist people back in the 70s with no say, no rights and no chance.
Yes I know Evil Genius will reply with 10 different replies to my statement in nought point three seconds, just like he has commented on Elliots behaviour (yeah right) ::)
I don't believe for a minute that the 'vast majority' would hold that opinion. And that's on the basis of Unionists who i've studied/worked/socialised with. I'd consider that to be a ridiculously sweeping statement.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 07, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
Let this fool no-one, the vast majority of Unionists want to see the nationalist people back in the 70s with no say, no rights and no chance.
Yes I know Evil Genius will reply with 10 different replies to my statement in nought point three seconds, just like he has commented on Elliots behaviour (yeah right) ::)
I don't believe for a minute that the 'vast majority' would hold that opinion. And that's on the basis of Unionists who i've studied/worked/socialised with. I'd consider that to be a ridiculously sweeping statement.
Do you know many prods then Spirit??
Oliver McMullan SF elected in East Antrim. big big result for sinners
Quote from: the colonel on May 07, 2011, 08:34:17 PM
Oliver McMullan SF elected in East Antrim. big big result for sinners
That will bring a smile to his face.
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 08:35:24 PM
Quote from: the colonel on May 07, 2011, 08:34:17 PM
Oliver McMullan SF elected in East Antrim. big big result for sinners
That will bring a smile to his face.
They never came round my house to take me to the polling station
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
The UUP has done a great job of making fools of themselves today, Tom Elliot is in the wrong party and Jim Allister will be giving him a ring to see if he can switch sides, if not the BNP will certainly take him, though he may be a bit radical for them
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 07, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
Let this fool no-one, the vast majority of Unionists want to see the nationalist people back in the 70s with no say, no rights and no chance.
Yes I know Evil Genius will reply with 10 different replies to my statement in nought point three seconds, just like he has commented on Elliots behaviour (yeah right) ::)
That is a very sweeping statement. The only fool is yourself. As Maguire said the vast majority of Unionists I have encountered tend to be good, well meaning people. I'd say a damn site less than 25% would envisage a nationalist under-class as you describe. Many of the Unionists/Protestants that encounter nationalists on a day to day basis would be sound enough. It is the ones who live in E. Belfast, Craigavon, Portadown, the Protestant garrison towns, that would hold the view that nationalists are a threat.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 07, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
Let this fool no-one, the vast majority of Unionists want to see the nationalist people back in the 70s with no say, no rights and no chance.
Yes I know Evil Genius will reply with 10 different replies to my statement in nought point three seconds, just like he has commented on Elliots behaviour (yeah right) ::)
I don't believe for a minute that the 'vast majority' would hold that opinion. And that's on the basis of Unionists who i've studied/worked/socialised with. I'd consider that to be a ridiculously sweeping statement.
+1
anyone see the interview with the shinner this afternoon when he finished it with the classic quote of "keep it lit"
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
Declan O'Loan was badly hampered by the boundary changes, in particular places like Waterfoot and Cushendall being absorbed into East Antrim.
Quote from: Square Ball on May 07, 2011, 08:55:42 PM
anyone see the interview with the shinner this afternoon when he finished it with the classic quote of "keep it lit"
Yeah, it was Barry McElduff. Very funny interview. The best part was that his visual had finished but the audio still played on with him just squeezing in his "keep 'er lit" finale.
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
Declan O'Loan was badly hampered by the boundary changes, in particular places like Waterfoot and Cushendall being absorbed into East Antrim.
That's my point - the fact that he was still in contention for the 6th seat was an achievement in itself. The fact that it went to McAllister makes it all the more depressing.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
It would be good if it prompted a change in leadership, but it doesn't really look like it's on the cards at the minute - difficult to see who'd stick their neck out.
Someone needs to step up to the mark and quickly. Must say though I got a chuckle out of an incident on Thursday evening outside the polling station in Aghagallon. I was chatting to some of the SDLP canvassers when a fairly prominent local GAA figure and teacher came over to me for a yarn after he'd been into vote. As he was leaving he says to me "Ulick, yis really need to get rid of that clown Caitríona Ruane, she's wrecking the education system." Then he turns, *stooped* over a little and says directly and 'forcefully' to Dolores Kelly's sister, "but she's not even half as bad as that useless, hateful hoor Margaret Richie!". Needless to say the Stoops were all speechless as yer man headed off down the road and me left pissing myself.
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
Declan O'Loan was badly hampered by the boundary changes, in particular places like Waterfoot and Cushendall being absorbed into East Antrim.
Aye he lost a good few hundred votes there. Good to see Oliver McMullan getting in at East Antrim as he will at least get stuck in and represent the local people unlike some of the trailer trash running for council seats in the area.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
It would be good if it prompted a change in leadership, but it doesn't really look like it's on the cards at the minute - difficult to see who'd stick their neck out.
Someone needs to step up to the mark and quickly. Must say though I got a chuckle out of an incident on Thursday evening outside the polling station in Aghagallon. I was chatting to some of the SDLP canvassers when a fairly prominent local GAA figure and teacher came over to me for a yarn after he'd been into vote. As he was leaving he says to me "Ulick, yis really need to get rid of that clown Caitríona Ruane, she's wrecking the education system." Then he turns, *stooped* over a little and says directly and 'forcefully' to Dolores Kelly's sister, "but she's not even half as bad as that useless, hateful hoor Margaret Richie!". Needless to say the Stoops were all speechless as yer man headed off down the road and me left pissing myself.
Aye, hilarious indeed ! I'm splitting my sides here ::)
That teacher sounds like one ignorant gulpin !!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Barry-McElduff-Keeping-her-lit/222438894433553?sk=wall
brilliant :D
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 07, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
Let this fool no-one, the vast majority of Unionists want to see the nationalist people back in the 70s with no say, no rights and no chance.
Don't be silly
Every Friday I take my girls to the local swimming pool (the Valley) after school. As I approached I noticed the carpark was full and the penny dropped, bloody election! Asked the security guard and he said they were closed till the 10th!! I thought that they must be getting work done.
But no they obviously knew they had kids in from the deaf dumb and blind school in to count the votes and that it would take a while
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
It would be good if it prompted a change in leadership, but it doesn't really look like it's on the cards at the minute - difficult to see who'd stick their neck out.
Someone needs to step up to the mark and quickly. Must say though I got a chuckle out of an incident on Thursday evening outside the polling station in Aghagallon. I was chatting to some of the SDLP canvassers when a fairly prominent local GAA figure and teacher came over to me for a yarn after he'd been into vote. As he was leaving he says to me "Ulick, yis really need to get rid of that clown Caitríona Ruane, she's wrecking the education system." Then he turns, *stooped* over a little and says directly and 'forcefully' to Dolores Kelly's sister, "but she's not even half as bad as that useless, hateful hoor Margaret Richie!". Needless to say the Stoops were all speechless as yer man headed off down the road and me left pissing myself.
He sounds like a class act. Nice way to speak to someone.
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
Tom Elliott at the count - "flags of a foreign land" and "Sinn Fein scum" :o
His second point is correct.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
It would be good if it prompted a change in leadership, but it doesn't really look like it's on the cards at the minute - difficult to see who'd stick their neck out.
Someone needs to step up to the mark and quickly. Must say though I got a chuckle out of an incident on Thursday evening outside the polling station in Aghagallon. I was chatting to some of the SDLP canvassers when a fairly prominent local GAA figure and teacher came over to me for a yarn after he'd been into vote. As he was leaving he says to me "Ulick, yis really need to get rid of that clown Caitríona Ruane, she's wrecking the education system." Then he turns, *stooped* over a little and says directly and 'forcefully' to Dolores Kelly's sister, "but she's not even half as bad as that useless, hateful hoor Margaret Richie!". Needless to say the Stoops were all speechless as yer man headed off down the road and me left pissing myself.
He sounds like a class act. Nice way to speak to someone.
He had a point though - Ritchie is a liability for the Stoops.
Quote from: Trout on May 07, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
Tom Elliott at the count - "flags of a foreign land" and "Sinn Fein scum" :o
His second point is correct.
Less of it.
I expect former paramilitary member Tom Elliott wasn't to happy seeing his old adversary Seán Lynch, comrade of Séamus McElwaine getting elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
Declan O'Loan was badly hampered by the boundary changes, in particular places like Waterfoot and Cushendall being absorbed into East Antrim.
Aye he lost a good few hundred votes there. Good to see Oliver McMullan getting in at East Antrim as he will at least get stuck in and represent the local people unlike some of the trailer trash running for council seats in the area.
Do you know who got elected from the Glens for the council Tony?
Pretty good line by John O'Dowd about Elliott
"I share the views of many in the Ulster Unionist Party [that] Tom Elliott will never make a political leader."
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on May 07, 2011, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
Declan O'Loan was badly hampered by the boundary changes, in particular places like Waterfoot and Cushendall being absorbed into East Antrim.
Aye he lost a good few hundred votes there. Good to see Oliver McMullan getting in at East Antrim as he will at least get stuck in and represent the local people unlike some of the trailer trash running for council seats in the area.
Do you know who got elected from the Glens for the council Tony?
Counting doesent start until Monday Arthur, do keep up.
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on May 07, 2011, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
Declan O'Loan was badly hampered by the boundary changes, in particular places like Waterfoot and Cushendall being absorbed into East Antrim.
Aye he lost a good few hundred votes there. Good to see Oliver McMullan getting in at East Antrim as he will at least get stuck in and represent the local people unlike some of the trailer trash running for council seats in the area.
Do you know who got elected from the Glens for the council Tony?
Counting doesent start until Monday Arthur, do keep up.
Thats just laziness.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:37:06 PM
I expect former paramilitary member Tom Elliott wasn't to happy seeing his old adversary Seán Lynch, comrade of Séamus McElwaine getting elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29)
What paramilitary group was Elliott in? UDR like most of the rest of them?
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on May 07, 2011, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on May 07, 2011, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
SDLP get back a seat in West Tyrone. So it looks like being down 2 seats from last time. Given that the losses in FST, Strangford, Nth Antrim and Sth Antrim were very narrow (surprisingly narrow in Nth Antrim, a seat which had pretty much been written off) and that the percentage held up on such a low turnout, they might conisder themselves unlucky. Or wonder if a better performance on the leaders' debates may have swung a few crucial votes.
SF steady, but no mission of a SF First Minister in the next 10 years with the DUP retaining a comanding lead and the TUV project as good as finished. The UUP is utterly headless and Tom's outburst is going to be one of the big news stories from this election. It's going to make it very uncomfortable for the UUP's moderates such as McCallister, McCrea and Nesbitt, because they're all likely to be cornered on it.
Declan O'Loan was badly hampered by the boundary changes, in particular places like Waterfoot and Cushendall being absorbed into East Antrim.
Aye he lost a good few hundred votes there. Good to see Oliver McMullan getting in at East Antrim as he will at least get stuck in and represent the local people unlike some of the trailer trash running for council seats in the area.
Do you know who got elected from the Glens for the council Tony?
Counting doesent start until Monday Arthur, do keep up.
Thats just laziness.
I know it is Monday, not sure what Monday though.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:37:06 PM
I expect former paramilitary member Tom Elliott wasn't to happy seeing his old adversary Seán Lynch, comrade of Séamus McElwaine getting elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29)
What paramilitary group was Elliott in? UDR like most of the rest of them?
Aye as far as I know.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
It would be good if it prompted a change in leadership, but it doesn't really look like it's on the cards at the minute - difficult to see who'd stick their neck out.
Someone needs to step up to the mark and quickly. Must say though I got a chuckle out of an incident on Thursday evening outside the polling station in Aghagallon. I was chatting to some of the SDLP canvassers when a fairly prominent local GAA figure and teacher came over to me for a yarn after he'd been into vote. As he was leaving he says to me "Ulick, yis really need to get rid of that clown Caitríona Ruane, she's wrecking the education system." Then he turns, *stooped* over a little and says directly and 'forcefully' to Dolores Kelly's sister, "but she's not even half as bad as that useless, hateful hoor Margaret Richie!". Needless to say the Stoops were all speechless as yer man headed off down the road and me left pissing myself.
He sounds like a class act. Nice way to speak to someone.
He had a point though - Ritchie is a liability for the Stoops.
That's no excuse for ignorance. Or for finding ignorance so amusing.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
It would be good if it prompted a change in leadership, but it doesn't really look like it's on the cards at the minute - difficult to see who'd stick their neck out.
Someone needs to step up to the mark and quickly. Must say though I got a chuckle out of an incident on Thursday evening outside the polling station in Aghagallon. I was chatting to some of the
SDLP canvassers when a fairly prominent local GAA figure and teacher came over to me for a yarn after he'd been into vote. As he was leaving he says to me "Ulick, yis really need to get rid of that clown Caitríona Ruane, she's wrecking the education system." Then he turns, *stooped* over a little and says directly and 'forcefully' to Dolores Kelly's sister, "but she's not even half as bad as that useless, hateful hoor Margaret Richie!". Needless to say the Stoops were all speechless as yer man headed off down the road and me left pissing myself.
Did you meet any of your PSNI drinking buddies at the polling station?
pretty much as i predicted, uup history, stoops scratching their empty heads. danny kennedy will probably join the dup soon its the only way out for him as tom idiot pushes the self destruct button, marty needs to get a new script though (coming across like peters bitch a little and i'm a fan of his) alliance doing well but the unionist tag wont attract many republicans no matter how they dress it up. elmer fudd allister is gonna be "a forn in da flash of sinn fein ira"... more likely to be a laughing stock for the dup and sinn fein he might as well go to stormont dressed as ronald mc donald. i had the shinners at the door but only once this election the last time i had them 3 times, all i got from the stoops as a text and no unionists at all. i think the shinners are absolutely exhausted canvassing over the last few months north and south so a good result for a tired team.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:37:06 PM
I expect former paramilitary member Tom Elliott wasn't to happy seeing his old adversary Seán Lynch, comrade of Séamus McElwaine getting elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29)
What paramilitary group was Elliott in? UDR like most of the rest of them?
He was.
That was some bigoted rant. He couldn't bear the sight of the tricolour so completely lost it. Just when the UUP needed a bit of stability...
Aye two of them came in to vote - in uniform an all. Had a good yarn with them too. One happy enough to say he gave SF first preference, the other went Stoop and gave transfer to SF.
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2011, 11:08:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:37:06 PM
I expect former paramilitary member Tom Elliott wasn't to happy seeing his old adversary Seán Lynch, comrade of Séamus McElwaine getting elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29)
What paramilitary group was Elliott in? UDR like most of the rest of them?
He was.
That was some bigoted rant. He couldn't bear the sight of the tricolour so completely lost it. Just when the UUP needed a bit of stability...
The UUP are fucked with this man at the helm. They might have thought they'd reached a low point with Reg Empey, but Elliott must be a dead man walking. If not it is clear that the UUP plan to move into the old DUP territory.
I see that the TUV's David Vance tweeted that Elliot's remarks were an insult...to scum!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2011, 11:08:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 10:37:06 PM
I expect former paramilitary member Tom Elliott wasn't to happy seeing his old adversary Seán Lynch, comrade of Séamus McElwaine getting elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Lynch_%28Politician%29)
What paramilitary group was Elliott in? UDR like most of the rest of them?
He was.
That was some bigoted rant. He couldn't bear the sight of the tricolour so completely lost it. Just when the UUP needed a bit of stability...
The UUP are fucked with this man at the helm. They might have thought they'd reached a low point with Reg Empey, but Elliott must be a dead man walking. If not it is clear that the UUP plan to move into the old DUP territory.
cant see how that would work tony the dup have the old territory well covered with the like of dodds and gregory knocking about.. and they cant move the other way the alliance have that territory covered their fukd
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:06:55 PM
pretty much as i predicted, uup history, stoops scratching their empty heads. danny kennedy will probably join the dup soon its the only way out for him as tom idiot pushes the self destruct button, marty needs to get a new script though (coming across like peters bitch a little and i'm a fan of his) alliance doing well but the unionist tag wont attract many republicans no matter how they dress it up. elmer fudd allister is gonna be "a forn in da flash of sinn fein ira"... more likely to be a laughing stock for the dup and sinn fein he might as well go to stormont dressed as ronald mc donald. i had the shinners at the door but only once this election the last time i had them 3 times, all i got from the stoops as a text and no unionists at all. i think the shinners are absolutely exhausted canvassing over the last few months north and south so a good result for a tired team.
As you predicted? You predicted that "the stoops will cease to exist".
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18677.msg924277#msg924277
Whilst they may have lost a few marginal seats and narrowly missed out on potential gains, they've pretty much held their vote.
I suspect the council elections will give us a better indication of the current state of the various Parties Maguire.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:06:55 PM
pretty much as i predicted, uup history, stoops scratching their empty heads. danny kennedy will probably join the dup soon its the only way out for him as tom idiot pushes the self destruct button, marty needs to get a new script though (coming across like peters bitch a little and i'm a fan of his) alliance doing well but the unionist tag wont attract many republicans no matter how they dress it up. elmer fudd allister is gonna be "a forn in da flash of sinn fein ira"... more likely to be a laughing stock for the dup and sinn fein he might as well go to stormont dressed as ronald mc donald. i had the shinners at the door but only once this election the last time i had them 3 times, all i got from the stoops as a text and no unionists at all. i think the shinners are absolutely exhausted canvassing over the last few months north and south so a good result for a tired team.
As you predicted? You predicted that "the stoops will cease to exist".
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18677.msg924277#msg924277
Whilst they may have lost a few marginal seats and narrowly missed out on potential gains, they've pretty much held their vote.
that must be why some of them are looking maggie chewing gum head to quit. good to see tomas burns will have more time on his hands to go inspecting 'our' troops in afganistan :D
Which of the elections are the main ones? MP's, MLA's or the council ones? I suspect the ones in which your party does best in ;)
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:06:55 PM
pretty much as i predicted, uup history, stoops scratching their empty heads. danny kennedy will probably join the dup soon its the only way out for him as tom idiot pushes the self destruct button, marty needs to get a new script though (coming across like peters bitch a little and i'm a fan of his) alliance doing well but the unionist tag wont attract many republicans no matter how they dress it up. elmer fudd allister is gonna be "a forn in da flash of sinn fein ira"... more likely to be a laughing stock for the dup and sinn fein he might as well go to stormont dressed as ronald mc donald. i had the shinners at the door but only once this election the last time i had them 3 times, all i got from the stoops as a text and no unionists at all. i think the shinners are absolutely exhausted canvassing over the last few months north and south so a good result for a tired team.
As you predicted? You predicted that "the stoops will cease to exist".
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18677.msg924277#msg924277
Whilst they may have lost a few marginal seats and narrowly missed out on potential gains, they've pretty much held their vote.
that must be why some of them are looking maggie chewing gum head to quit. good to see tomas burns will have more time on his hands to go inspecting 'our' troops in afganistan :D
I'm not arguing about the leadership debate, just pointing out your bluff about your predictions.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2011, 11:31:32 PM
I suspect the council elections will give us a better indication of the current state of the various Parties Maguire.
Do you see them being significantly different to the Assembly ones? Would most people not be voting for the same parties on both ballot papers?
What happened Eamonn McCann's vote as well? He was well tipped to threaten the third SDLP seat in Foyle - I didn't even hear any suggestion that he was in the running at all.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 11:40:48 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:06:55 PM
pretty much as i predicted, uup history, stoops scratching their empty heads. danny kennedy will probably join the dup soon its the only way out for him as tom idiot pushes the self destruct button, marty needs to get a new script though (coming across like peters bitch a little and i'm a fan of his) alliance doing well but the unionist tag wont attract many republicans no matter how they dress it up. elmer fudd allister is gonna be "a forn in da flash of sinn fein ira"... more likely to be a laughing stock for the dup and sinn fein he might as well go to stormont dressed as ronald mc donald. i had the shinners at the door but only once this election the last time i had them 3 times, all i got from the stoops as a text and no unionists at all. i think the shinners are absolutely exhausted canvassing over the last few months north and south so a good result for a tired team.
As you predicted? You predicted that "the stoops will cease to exist".
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18677.msg924277#msg924277
Whilst they may have lost a few marginal seats and narrowly missed out on potential gains, they've pretty much held their vote.
that must be why some of them are looking maggie chewing gum head to quit. good to see tomas burns will have more time on his hands to go inspecting 'our' troops in afganistan :D
I'm not arguing about the leadership debate, just pointing out your bluff about your predictions.
well sure forget what i predicted lets hear what the stoops themselves say about this election result. surely if they think of it as a victory they wouldnt be hinting at getting rid of maggie with her two jobs. you may have missed it but she blew it on the leaders debate with her sniping at david forde calling him a lapdog poor judgement when some of her party colleagues need alliance transfers
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 11:40:48 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:06:55 PM
pretty much as i predicted, uup history, stoops scratching their empty heads. danny kennedy will probably join the dup soon its the only way out for him as tom idiot pushes the self destruct button, marty needs to get a new script though (coming across like peters bitch a little and i'm a fan of his) alliance doing well but the unionist tag wont attract many republicans no matter how they dress it up. elmer fudd allister is gonna be "a forn in da flash of sinn fein ira"... more likely to be a laughing stock for the dup and sinn fein he might as well go to stormont dressed as ronald mc donald. i had the shinners at the door but only once this election the last time i had them 3 times, all i got from the stoops as a text and no unionists at all. i think the shinners are absolutely exhausted canvassing over the last few months north and south so a good result for a tired team.
As you predicted? You predicted that "the stoops will cease to exist".
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18677.msg924277#msg924277
Whilst they may have lost a few marginal seats and narrowly missed out on potential gains, they've pretty much held their vote.
that must be why some of them are looking maggie chewing gum head to quit. good to see tomas burns will have more time on his hands to go inspecting 'our' troops in afganistan :D
I'm not arguing about the leadership debate, just pointing out your bluff about your predictions.
well sure forget what i predicted lets hear what the stoops themselves say about this election result. surely if they think of it as a victory they wouldnt be hinting at getting rid of maggie with her two jobs. you may have missed it but she blew it on the leaders debate with her sniping at david forde calling him a lapdog poor judgement when some of her party colleagues need alliance transfers
Who's calling it a victory?
Lawnseed- I don't think anyone in SDLP will be talking about the elections as a "victory" but you were miles away with your prediction of SDLP ceasing "to exist". Obviously Richie is doing them no favours as leader and they need to regroup but there are nationalists that will never, ever vote for Sinn Fein.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 11:40:48 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2011, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 07, 2011, 11:06:55 PM
pretty much as i predicted, uup history, stoops scratching their empty heads. danny kennedy will probably join the dup soon its the only way out for him as tom idiot pushes the self destruct button, marty needs to get a new script though (coming across like peters bitch a little and i'm a fan of his) alliance doing well but the unionist tag wont attract many republicans no matter how they dress it up. elmer fudd allister is gonna be "a forn in da flash of sinn fein ira"... more likely to be a laughing stock for the dup and sinn fein he might as well go to stormont dressed as ronald mc donald. i had the shinners at the door but only once this election the last time i had them 3 times, all i got from the stoops as a text and no unionists at all. i think the shinners are absolutely exhausted canvassing over the last few months north and south so a good result for a tired team.
As you predicted? You predicted that "the stoops will cease to exist".
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18677.msg924277#msg924277
Whilst they may have lost a few marginal seats and narrowly missed out on potential gains, they've pretty much held their vote.
that must be why some of them are looking maggie chewing gum head to quit. good to see tomas burns will have more time on his hands to go inspecting 'our' troops in afganistan :D
I'm not arguing about the leadership debate, just pointing out your bluff about your predictions.
well sure forget what i predicted lets hear what the stoops themselves say about this election result. surely if they think of it as a victory they wouldnt be hinting at getting rid of maggie with her two jobs. you may have missed it but she blew it on the leaders debate with her sniping at david forde calling him a lapdog poor judgement when some of her party colleagues need alliance transfers
Forgive my ignorance but where did the word
stoop come from and what does it mean?
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
Lawnseed- I don't think anyone in SDLP will be talking about the elections as a "victory" but you were miles away with your prediction of SDLP ceasing "to exist". Obviously Richie is doing them no favours as leader and they need to regroup but there are nationalists that will never, ever vote for Sinn Fein.
So when you vote stoop exactly what are you voting for, the anti sinn fein party? because thats all the sdlp have become theyre alliance with a small A
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:19:17 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
Lawnseed- I don't think anyone in SDLP will be talking about the elections as a "victory" but you were miles away with your prediction of SDLP ceasing "to exist". Obviously Richie is doing them no favours as leader and they need to regroup but there are nationalists that will never, ever vote for Sinn Fein.
So when you vote stoop exactly what are you voting for, the anti sinn fein party? because thats all the sdlp have become theyre alliance with a small A
People have long memories and there are obviously people out there (although obviously not as many as previously) that feel uneasy about voting for a party comprised of what they would see as gangsters and murderers. Not all Catholics were cheering for the Ra when they blew up Enniskillen etc.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 08, 2011, 12:24:38 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:19:17 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
Lawnseed- I don't think anyone in SDLP will be talking about the elections as a "victory" but you were miles away with your prediction of SDLP ceasing "to exist". Obviously Richie is doing them no favours as leader and they need to regroup but there are nationalists that will never, ever vote for Sinn Fein.
So when you vote stoop exactly what are you voting for, the anti sinn fein party? because thats all the sdlp have become theyre alliance with a small A
People have long memories and there are obviously people out there (although obviously not as many as previously) that feel uneasy about voting for a party comprised of what they would see as gangsters and murderers. Not all Catholics were cheering for the Ra when they blew up Enniskillen etc.
Why did you need it spelt out?
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.
One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 12:29:31 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 08, 2011, 12:24:38 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:19:17 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
Lawnseed- I don't think anyone in SDLP will be talking about the elections as a "victory" but you were miles away with your prediction of SDLP ceasing "to exist". Obviously Richie is doing them no favours as leader and they need to regroup but there are nationalists that will never, ever vote for Sinn Fein.
So when you vote stoop exactly what are you voting for, the anti sinn fein party? because thats all the sdlp have become theyre alliance with a small A
People have long memories and there are obviously people out there (although obviously not as many as previously) that feel uneasy about voting for a party comprised of what they would see as gangsters and murderers. Not all Catholics were cheering for the Ra when they blew up Enniskillen etc.
Why did you need it spelt out?
Because it needs to be spelt out - constantly, I suppose.
I am a Tone Republican, therefore SDLP get my vote as better representing those pure republican ideals in name and in practice than any shinner, now or in the past. I am proud that I have unionist firiends who know my politcs as I know theirs. For years we have argued the bit on this without the need to plant a bomb under their cars.
So _ pause to think whether I could abandon those principles to vote for the shinners .....
that is a higher ideal than simply an anti-SF vote.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.
One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.
but for the tactical voting of unionists around markethill mallon wouldnt have lasted near as long as he did i'm open to hear what his great achievements were i cant think of one
What would you call great?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:15:52 AM
Forgive my ignorance but where did the word stoop come from and what does it mean?
Milltown, the sdlp have long been satiracally referred to as the Stoop Down Low Party, hence the term 'stoops', not sure exactly when this came to prominence but they have been referred to as 'stoops' by their detractors for some time now
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:52:03 AM
What would you call great?
alright i feeling generous i'll take any political achievement any thing at all besides getting a salary
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:52:03 AM
What would you call great?
alright i feeling generous i'll take any political achievement any thing at all besides getting a salary
What have any of them done, other than draw a salary?
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 01:06:26 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:52:03 AM
What would you call great?
alright i feeling generous I'll take any political achievement any thing at all besides getting a salary
What have any of them done, other than draw a salary?
ffs minder he wouldn't even help get a site passed in a field i know he told the guy it was a non runner. your man went to the unionists and got it passed no bother. mallon stood like a colossus on the top of armagh and watch idly as it crumbled around his feet
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:49:16 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.
One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.
but for the tactical voting of unionists around markethill mallon wouldnt have lasted near as long as he did i'm open to hear what his great achievements were i cant think of one
Surely his central role in the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement would be regarded as a significant achievement and contribution?
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:49:16 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.
One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.
but for the tactical voting of unionists around markethill mallon wouldnt have lasted near as long as he did i'm open to hear what his great achievements were i cant think of one
What are your achievements then and we'll compare them with Mallon's?
I can think of 1: Mallon could master primary school spelling and punctuation.
Mallon: 1
lawnseed: 0
Tom Elliott trending in Ireland. He really has dug a massive hole for himself.
Quote from: trileacman on May 08, 2011, 01:21:24 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:49:16 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.
One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.
but for the tactical voting of unionists around markethill mallon wouldnt have lasted near as long as he did i'm open to hear what his great achievements were i cant think of one
What are your achievements then and we'll compare them with Mallon's?
I can think of 1: Mallon could master primary school spelling and punctuation.
Mallon: 1
lawnseed: 0
as yet i have not recieved the salary or the mandate that seamus mallon enjoyed for some time at the taxpayers expense. but if you consider pointing at dead cows for the gazette or getting ramps put on every road possible an achievement blah blah sure he was a great public representative i'm sure
He did not fcuk up the education system.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:52:03 AM
What would you call great?
alright i feeling generous i'll take any political achievement any thing at all besides getting a salary
Lawnseed, this is for you !
http://tinyurl.com/3zupnl2
So is the final share of seats counted yet? Anyone care to post them up.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 08, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
So is the final share of seats counted yet? Anyone care to post them up.
Final Result DUP 38, SF 29,UUP 16, SDLP 14, Alliance 8, Greens 1, TUV 1, Ind 1 #ae 11
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 08, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
So is the final share of seats counted yet? Anyone care to post them up.
Final Result DUP 38, SF 29,UUP 16, SDLP 14, Alliance 8, Greens 1, TUV 1, Ind 1 #ae 11
Is this what was expected? Did the DUP hammer SF (Using my system of course ;)) When will Marty take over from Peter?
DUP didnt hammer Sinn Fein. They hammered the UUP though.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 08, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
So is the final share of seats counted yet? Anyone care to post them up.
Final Result DUP 38, SF 29,UUP 16, SDLP 14, Alliance 8, Greens 1, TUV 1, Ind 1 #ae 11
Is this what was expected? Did the DUP hammer SF (Using my system of course ;)) When will Marty take over from Peter?
The gap has effectively widened. SF went into the last Assembly with 28 (subsequently dropping to 27 with McHugh's defection) and the DUP with 36. So the DUP has widened the gap by 1 on the 2007 result, but it is essentially the same as when the Assembly was dissolved.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 08, 2011, 12:08:51 PM
DUP didnt hammer Sinn Fein. They hammered the UUP though.
Was there not talk before this that SF were going to have enough to make Marty First Minister? What did SF need to make that happen?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 08, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
So is the final share of seats counted yet? Anyone care to post them up.
Final Result DUP 38, SF 29,UUP 16, SDLP 14, Alliance 8, Greens 1, TUV 1, Ind 1 #ae 11
Is this what was expected? Did the DUP hammer SF (Using my system of course ;)) When will Marty take over from Peter?
The gap has effectively widened. SF went into the last Assembly with 28 (subsequently dropping to 27 with McHugh's defection) and the DUP with 36. So the DUP has widened the gap by 1 on the 2007 result, but it is essentially the same as when the Assembly was dissolved.
How many seats did SDLP & UUP have at the end of the last assembly?
DUP up 2
SF up 2
Who lost out?
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:52:03 AM
What would you call great?
alright i feeling generous i'll take any political achievement any thing at all besides getting a salary
Lawnseed, this is for you !
http://tinyurl.com/3zupnl2
so thats your argument... :D are you Marguerite Richie do you preach about double jobbing and then do it yourself. stoops the party that tried to join fianna fail totally ignoring the Irish labour party supposedly their sister party such is their lack of integrity.. sad Little people
Obviously not that au fait with the various characters emerging within unionism but had to laugh this morning when i saw that Tom Elliot character on the news referring to Sinn Fein as scum for having "foreign flags" with them. Does he not realise what a tit he looked or is that the gutter politics that they prefer to stoop to? If his party have any decency he should be censured in some way.
Quote from: The Worker on May 08, 2011, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 08, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
So is the final share of seats counted yet? Anyone care to post them up.
Final Result DUP 38, SF 29,UUP 16, SDLP 14, Alliance 8, Greens 1, TUV 1, Ind 1 #ae 11
Is this what was expected? Did the DUP hammer SF (Using my system of course ;)) When will Marty take over from Peter?
The gap has effectively widened. SF went into the last Assembly with 28 (subsequently dropping to 27 with McHugh's defection) and the DUP with 36. So the DUP has widened the gap by 1 on the 2007 result, but it is essentially the same as when the Assembly was dissolved.
How many seats did SDLP & UUP have at the end of the last assembly?
DUP up 2
SF up 2
Who lost out?
Copy and paste from elsewhere on changes:
Strangford – UUP takes DUP seat (Iris Robinson)
West Tyrone – UUP takes DUP seat (Bresland)
East Belfast -Alliance takes PUP seat (Dawn Purvis)
Lagan Valley – DUP takes SF seat (Paul Butler stood down)
North Antrim – TUV takes SDLP seat (Declan O'Loan)
South Antrim – DUP takes SDLP seat (Thomas Burns)
East Antrim – SF takes UUP seat (McCune fails)
Fermanagh & ST- SF takes SDLP seat (Tommy Gallagher)
Mid-Ulster – SDLP takes back seat from Dr Deeney
North Belfast – DUP takes UUP seat (Fred Cobain)
North Down – DUP takes UUP seat (Alan McFarland)
East Londonderry – McClarty takes his own former UUP seat
This will blow over, and hopefully so.
He will continue to make a twit of himself the longer he stays in power and will never have anything good remembered about his time as leader
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: The Worker on May 08, 2011, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 08, 2011, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 08, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
So is the final share of seats counted yet? Anyone care to post them up.
Final Result DUP 38, SF 29,UUP 16, SDLP 14, Alliance 8, Greens 1, TUV 1, Ind 1 #ae 11
Is this what was expected? Did the DUP hammer SF (Using my system of course ;)) When will Marty take over from Peter?
The gap has effectively widened. SF went into the last Assembly with 28 (subsequently dropping to 27 with McHugh's defection) and the DUP with 36. So the DUP has widened the gap by 1 on the 2007 result, but it is essentially the same as when the Assembly was dissolved.
How many seats did SDLP & UUP have at the end of the last assembly?
DUP up 2
SF up 2
Who lost out?
Copy and paste from elsewhere on changes:
Strangford – UUP takes DUP seat (Iris Robinson)
West Tyrone – UUP takes DUP seat (Bresland)
East Belfast -Alliance takes PUP seat (Dawn Purvis)
Lagan Valley – DUP takes SF seat (Paul Butler stood down)
North Antrim – TUV takes SDLP seat (Declan O'Loan)
South Antrim – DUP takes SDLP seat (Thomas Burns)
East Antrim – SF takes UUP seat (McCune fails)
Fermanagh & ST- SF takes SDLP seat (Tommy Gallagher)
Mid-Ulster – SDLP takes back seat from Dr Deeney
North Belfast – DUP takes UUP seat (Fred Cobain)
North Down – DUP takes UUP seat (Alan McFarland)
East Londonderry – McClarty takes his own former UUP seat
so SDLP down 2, UUP down 2 (possibly 1 if McClarty returns)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:21:12 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 08, 2011, 12:08:51 PM
DUP didnt hammer Sinn Fein. They hammered the UUP though.
Was there not talk before this that SF were going to have enough to make Marty First Minister? What did SF need to make that happen?
Not from me. That was never going to happen. I did think they would have picked up two extra seats though. However, I thought the DUP was going to get 40.
maguire can you dig up any figures for actual percentage of the vote between the parties
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
maguire can you dig up any figures for actual percentage of the vote between the parties
Percentages and changes below. Minimal differences really.
DUP 30.0% -0.1%
SF 26.9% 0.8%
SDLP 14.2% -1.0%
UUP 13.2% -1.7%
All 7.7% 2.5%
Others 5.4% -2.9%
TUV 2.5% 2.5%
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:52:03 AM
What would you call great?
alright i feeling generous i'll take any political achievement any thing at all besides getting a salary
Lawnseed, this is for you !
http://tinyurl.com/3zupnl2
so thats your argument... :D are you Marguerite Richie do you preach about double jobbing and then do it yourself. stoops the party that tried to join fianna fail totally ignoring the Irish labour party supposedly their sister party such is their lack of integrity.. sad Little people
No and no :D :D :D Can't take you seriously at all. You're good for a laugh though.
PS. Learn how to punctuate ;)
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
maguire can you dig up any figures for actual percentage of the vote between the parties
Percentages and changes below. Minimal differences really.
DUP 30.0% -0.1%
SF 26.9% 0.8%
SDLP 14.2% -1.0%
UUP 13.2% -1.7%
All 7.7% 2.5%
Others 5.4% -2.9%
TUV 2.5% 2.5%
And no doubt we'll have Evil Genius along, able to point to these figures as evidence that the Nationalist vote does indeed seem to have stalled. Are Catholics now becoming acquainted with garden centres as well?
Is he right though on that evidence?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 01:11:19 PM
Is he right though on that evidence?
Prehaps, but you could look at the numbers and say Unionist numbers are dropping. 57% of people know you can use statistics to prove anything.
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:52:03 AM
What would you call great?
alright i feeling generous i'll take any political achievement any thing at all besides getting a salary
Lawnseed, this is for you !
http://tinyurl.com/3zupnl2
so thats your argument... :D are you Marguerite Richie do you preach about double jobbing and then do it yourself. stoops the party that tried to join fianna fail totally ignoring the Irish labour party supposedly their sister party such is their lack of integrity.. sad Little people
No and no :D :D :D Can't take you seriously at all. You're good for a laugh though.
PS. Learn how to punctuate ;)
the voice of authority.. barry mcelduff is also good for a laugh but he has a message.. and i'm saying that a stoop vote is a vote wasted they will start pointing the finger a wee maggie now and she will take the blame for their poor showing. i'd say their dwindling majority in derry is a real worry and the fact that despite the verbal gangbang of catronia ruane by all and sundry for all of the tenure of her ministry she still got elected.. for all the mud they threw most of it rebounded on to themselves. what will follow will be bitter recriminations and back stabbing its what they do best
Two things are happening. The assembly was very popular with nationalists and they turned out in numbers in the past to vote for it, a measure of apathy has now set in. There are more centrist votes, this has meant that the nationalist vote tend not to increase and the unionist vote declines. In an election or two it will be equal votes for nationalists and unionists and 10% for the middle.
Look before this everyone on here was talking about referendums and Marty was going to be the First Minister (Marty never said this)
The status quo will remain for a while yet. The low turn out would not help both sides equally so we are were we are.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
and i'm saying that a stoop vote is a vote wasted
Your arrogance knows no bounds.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 01:30:24 PM
Look before this everyone on here was talking about referendums and Marty was going to be the First Minister (Marty never said this)
The status quo will remain for a while yet. The low turn out would not help both sides equally so we are were we are.
The status quo is surely positive for those looking to maintain the status quo(?)
Anyone else think that Alliance MLA Trevor Lunn is the double for former US Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy?
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 01:25:50 PM
Two things are happening. The assembly was very popular with nationalists and they turned out in numbers in the past to vote for it, a measure of apathy has now set in. There are more centrist votes, this has meant that the nationalist vote tend not to increase and the unionist vote declines. In an election or two it will be equal votes for nationalists and unionists and 10% for the middle.
I would draw a different conclusion. The low turnout shows that apathy has set in across the whole spectrum of voters. Despite 30 years of bloodshed, repression and reprisals, the people of the north are now more indifferent to politics as the vast majority of the Uk, Ireland and Western Europe. Turnout was 15% lower than recent irish and 5% behind the uk elections.
Also the Alliance electoral gain is increasing steadily, 1.5% in 2007, 2.5% in 2011. They are really the only party who can walk away saying they had a successful election. They so no sign of hitting their ceiling and I think they will have a big part to play in elections of the future
QuoteDespite 30 years of bloodshed, repression and reprisals, the people of the north are now more indifferent to politics as the vast majority of the Uk, Ireland and Western Europe.
Firstly, the NI assembly has limited enough powers, they might be able to affect your water charges, but not your income tax rate. The 26 county election had real issues at play, and in some European countries voting is compulsory. Also the present structure means that even on water charges there isn't much competition, did Lawnseed read the SDLP or UU manifesto re water charges, road development etc.
Alliance will do well, although they mostly exist East of the Bann.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2011, 12:52:03 AM
What would you call great?
alright i feeling generous i'll take any political achievement any thing at all besides getting a salary
Lawnseed, this is for you !
http://tinyurl.com/3zupnl2
so thats your argument... :D are you Marguerite Richie do you preach about double jobbing and then do it yourself. stoops the party that tried to join fianna fail totally ignoring the Irish labour party supposedly their sister party such is their lack of integrity.. sad Little people
No and no :D :D :D Can't take you seriously at all. You're good for a laugh though.
PS. Learn how to punctuate ;)
the voice of authority.. barry mcelduff is also good for a laugh but he has a message.. and i'm saying that a stoop vote is a vote wasted they will start pointing the finger a wee maggie now and she will take the blame for their poor showing. i'd say their dwindling majority in derry is a real worry and the fact that despite the verbal gangbang of catronia ruane by all and sundry for all of the tenure of her ministry she still got elected.. for all the mud they threw most of it rebounded on to themselves. what will follow will be bitter recriminations and back stabbing its what they do best
What's the message there now? Keep 'er lit? Quality stuff indeed !
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 02:57:10 PM
QuoteDespite 30 years of bloodshed, repression and reprisals, the people of the north are now more indifferent to politics as the vast majority of the Uk, Ireland and Western Europe.
Firstly, the NI assembly has limited enough powers, they might be able to affect your water charges, but not your income tax rate. The 26 county election had real issues at play, and in some European countries voting is compulsory. Also the present structure means that even on water charges there isn't much competition, did Lawnseed read the SDLP or UU manifesto re water charges, road development etc.
Alliance will do well, although they mostly exist East of the Bann.
i didnt get copies of either the stoops or the uup manifesto but i did watch the preformance of their leaders who simply spend their time griping and name calling and complaining about the status quo in politics. the north has never been more a part of the uk than it is now and the "unionists" are complaining about the status quo ::), In the other camp nationalists/republicans - local people have now some say in the actual running of this part of ireland (not faceless brits) a guy from south armagh- connor murphy is a minister and what are the stoops doing-- trying their best to blacken him and ridicule him right from the word go. incidently i think sinn fein are wrong on water charges i would be quite happy to pay for water after they give me a meter but i object to flat rate billing since it is merely revenue gathering and ignores conservation.
the sdlp mean nothing and say nothing they sit back and talk shite about fairness and justice and allow the catholic church to pull their strings, this is a divided society we need people who are going to fight for our rights, and give us parity. the shinners are doing the business with the dup and that leaves the stoops redundent
The shinners are doing the business ?? :D :D :D
What have they done for nationalists?
Marty spends his time licking Robinson's hole while Catriona is a total embarrassment.
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
The shinners are doing the business ?? :D :D :D
What have they done for nationalists?
Marty spends his time licking Robinson's hole while Catriona is a total embarrassment.
not like Margarete Richy shes not an embarrassment or colour seargent tom burns out viewing 'our boys' sure they're great reps to have.
or in tomas case have not :D
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2011, 01:42:07 AMThe only talking point in this election is whether unionist parties get more than 50% of the vote.
If you add the total Unionist vote, it's bloody close, as follows:
DUP: 30.0%; UUP: 13.2%; TUV: 2.5%; UKIP/Progressive Unionist/BNP/PUP: 1.2%; Independent Unionists (McClarty, Purvis, McCord, McFarland, Chambers): 1.4% = 48.3%
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2011, 01:42:07 AMPresently SF + SDLP are about 41.1% and neither side parties (Alliance etc) are about 9.5%, so it seems that they will not.
The final Alliance share of the vote was 7.7%. These were gained overwhlemingly in Unionist-majority consituencies i.e. in the 7 constituencies* with a Nationalist majority, the Alliance share was just 1.5%. Whereas in the other 11 (i.e. Unionist majority) constituencies, the Alliance share was 12.5%.
As for the Green Party, I would not ascribe its vote (0.9% of the total) to either Unionism or Nationalism, but would point out that of the 6 constituencies where they fielded a candidate, all bar one were in Unionist-majority constituencies (E.Antrim/E.Belfast/S.Belfast/Lagan Valley/N.Down versus S.Down), with their stand-out performer (Agnew) winning his seat in solidly Unionist North Down.
* - F&ST, W.Tyrone, Foyle, Mid-Ulster, Newry & Armagh, South Down, W.Belfast
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2011, 01:42:07 AMAlthough turnout is low everywhere, there might still be some turnout effects whereas turnout was lowest in E Antrim and higher West of the Bann.
In the 7 Nationalist-majority constituencies, the average turnout was 60.5%. In the 11 Unionist-majority constituencies, the average turnout was 50.5%.
I would guess that the Shinners (esp) and SDLP must be closer to maximising their vote than the various Unionist parties - further cause for pessimism for the former, I would say.
48% might be close to a majority for unionists, but in every other election since 1922 unionist had a majority.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 07, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
Let this fool no-one, the vast majority of Unionists want to see the nationalist people back in the 70s with no say, no rights and no chance.
Yes I know Evil Genius will reply with 10 different replies to my statement in nought point three seconds, just like he has commented on Elliots behaviour (yeah right) ::)
Which explains why the DUP vote has collapsed since it has begun to move towards the centre; why the Alliance Party never gets any votes in Unionist areas; and why Unionists everywhere have flocked to the UUP since Tom Elliott took over (that is when they're not voting for the TUV)
No wait... :o
Anyhow, you can go on believing what it suits your prejudices to believe. After all, it must be easier than opening your eyes to what's actually happening around you... ::)
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 08:07:17 PM
48% might be close to a majority for unionists, but in every other election since 1922 unionist had a majority.
As I've indicated elsewhere, it seems indisputable that the clear majority of the 8.6% who voted Alliance or Green are from the Unionist community. So should it come to the test, I have no doubt these would vote "No" in a UI referendum.
Plus turnout figures clearly indicate that there are more "Garden Centre Prods" than their "Taig" counterparts, whom some or other of the various Unionist parties might hope to attract, should they come up with the right policies.
And in any case, between the DUP, UUP, TUV and Independent Unionist (McClarty), Unionism has scored a clear majority (56) of the 108 Stormont seats.
Whereas SF and the SDLP only managed 43 between them.
Still, you keep polishing that silver lining - I'm sure it must be a great comfort to you as you sit in the shade of that big, white fluffy thing in the sky! ;)
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
maguire can you dig up any figures for actual percentage of the vote between the parties
Percentages and changes below. Minimal differences really.
DUP 30.0% -0.1%
SF 26.9% 0.8%
SDLP 14.2% -1.0%
UUP 13.2% -1.7%
All 7.7% 2.5%
Others 5.4% -2.9%
TUV 2.5% 2.5%
And no doubt we'll have Evil Genius along, able to point to these figures as evidence that the Nationalist vote does indeed seem to have stalled.
"Res Ipsa Loquitur" ;)
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 12:59:17 PMAre Catholics now becoming acquainted with garden centres as well?
The average turnout figure of 60.5% in Nationalist-majority constituencies, versus 50.5% iin Unionist-majority constituencies, would suggest not.
But it will be the final nail in the coffin of Gerry and Marty's dreams if they (RC's) ever should forsake green politics for green fingers! :D
Quote from: trileacman on May 08, 2011, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 01:25:50 PM
Two things are happening. The assembly was very popular with nationalists and they turned out in numbers in the past to vote for it, a measure of apathy has now set in. There are more centrist votes, this has meant that the nationalist vote tend not to increase and the unionist vote declines. In an election or two it will be equal votes for nationalists and unionists and 10% for the middle.
I would draw a different conclusion. The low turnout shows that apathy has set in across the whole spectrum of voters. Despite 30 years of bloodshed, repression and reprisals, the people of the north are now more indifferent to politics as the vast majority of the Uk, Ireland and Western Europe. Turnout was 15% lower than recent irish and 5% behind the uk elections.
Agree about increasing apathy in NI generally, but there is still a striking difference in the average turnout in Nationalist-dominated constituencies (60.5%) versus Unionist-dominated ones (50.5%).
Therefore if the turnout drops in the former to nearer the level seen in the latter, one might expect the Nationalist share of the overall vote, currently plateaued, actually to start
declining.
Quote from: trileacman on May 08, 2011, 02:47:04 PMAlso the Alliance electoral gain is increasing steadily, 1.5% in 2007, 2.5% in 2011. They are really the only party who can walk away saying they had a successful election. They so no sign of hitting their ceiling and I think they will have a big part to play in elections of the future
Agree that the AP is doing well, but there is one qualification which needs to be taken into consideration, namely their vote is heavily concentrated in Unionist/middle-class/East of the Bann areas.
Until I got the calculator out, I hadn't realised just how marked this was. In the 7 Nationalist-majority constituencies*, they gained just 1.5% of the vote, whereas in the other 11 Unionist-majority constituencies, their share was 12.5%!
Of course, this means they have greater
potential to increase their vote in Nationalist areas, but I suspect they are as unclear how to get Nats to switch to them them as I am!
Unless, of course, the contrasting votes for Hannah Su in F&ST (1.8%) and Anna Lo in S.Belfast (19.8%) means Nationalists are somehow inherently Sinophobic, and this is hurting the Alliance vote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5D_tvtT2Ig
:D
* - F&ST, W.Tyrone, Foyle, Mid-Ulster, Newry & Armagh, S.Down, W.Belfast
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 08, 2011, 08:20:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 08:07:17 PM
48% might be close to a majority for unionists, but in every other election since 1922 unionist had a majority.
As I've indicated elsewhere, it seems indisputable that the clear majority of the 8.6% who voted Alliance or Green are from the Unionist community. So should it come to the test, I have no doubt these would vote "No" in a UI referendum.
Plus turnout figures clearly indicate that there are more "Garden Centre Prods" than their "Taig" counterparts, whom some or other of the various Unionist parties might hope to attract, should they come up with the right policies.
And in any case, between the DUP, UUP, TUV and Independent Unionist (McClarty), Unionism has scored a clear majority (56) of the 108 Stormont seats.
Whereas SF and the SDLP only managed 43 between them.
Still, you keep polishing that silver lining - I'm sure it must be a great comfort to you as you sit in the shade of that big, white fluffy thing in the sky! ;)
Or maybe nationalist voters in areas like north Down vote for candidates like Agnew as they see him as the only non unionist candidate with a chance of being elected?
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 06:46:06 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
The shinners are doing the business ?? :D :D :D
What have they done for nationalists?
Marty spends his time licking Robinson's hole while Catriona is a total embarrassment.
not like Margarete Richy shes not an embarrassment or colour seargent tom burns out viewing 'our boys' sure they're great reps to have.
or in tomas case have not
Can anybody translate this post from Lawnseed?
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 06:46:06 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
The shinners are doing the business ?? :D :D :D
What have they done for nationalists?
Marty spends his time licking Robinson's hole while Catriona is a total embarrassment.
not like Margarete Richy shes not an embarrassment or colour seargent tom burns out viewing 'our boys' sure they're great reps to have.
or in tomas case have not
Can anybody translate this post from Lawnseed?
Is it Ulster Scots?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 06:46:06 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 08, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
The shinners are doing the business ?? :D :D :D
What have they done for nationalists?
Marty spends his time licking Robinson's hole while Catriona is a total embarrassment.
not like Margarete Richy shes not an embarrassment or colour seargent tom burns out viewing 'our boys' sure they're great reps to have.
or in tomas case have not
Can anybody translate this post from Lawnseed?
Is it Ulster Scots?
No, Ulster Scot is easier to understand.
Quote from: dodgy umpire on May 08, 2011, 10:33:36 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 08, 2011, 08:20:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 08:07:17 PM
48% might be close to a majority for unionists, but in every other election since 1922 unionist had a majority.
As I've indicated elsewhere, it seems indisputable that the clear majority of the 8.6% who voted Alliance or Green are from the Unionist community. So should it come to the test, I have no doubt these would vote "No" in a UI referendum.
Plus turnout figures clearly indicate that there are more "Garden Centre Prods" than their "Taig" counterparts, whom some or other of the various Unionist parties might hope to attract, should they come up with the right policies.
And in any case, between the DUP, UUP, TUV and Independent Unionist (McClarty), Unionism has scored a clear majority (56) of the 108 Stormont seats.
Whereas SF and the SDLP only managed 43 between them.
Still, you keep polishing that silver lining - I'm sure it must be a great comfort to you as you sit in the shade of that big, white fluffy thing in the sky! ;)
Or maybe nationalist voters in areas like north Down vote for candidates like Agnew as they see him as the only non unionist candidate with a chance of being elected?
This is possibly a factor, but it surely cannot account solely for Alliance receiving
eight times the vote in Unionist-majority constituencies that it receives in Nationalist-majority ones.
And in any case, North Down is traditionally the most idiosyncratic/individualistic constituency in the whole of NI. With the likes of Kilfedder, McCartney and Hermon as MP, Unionists there have a long tradition of voting for individuals from outwith the mainstream Unionist parties. I suspect that Agnew has benefitted from this independent thinking.
And besides, the likes of Gerry Kelly/Alban McGuinness, Oliver McMullan, Daithi McKay, Cathal O hOisin and Mitchell McLaughlin demonstrate that SF (esp) and SDLP are still pretty effective at mustering the Nationalist vote in Unionist-majority areas.
Trying to claim Alliance voters as unionist is grand except for a few points:
1. They themselves claim they are not unionist
2. A disproportionate amount of their transfers go to nationalist candidates
3. They are more likely to get elected in unionist areas as they will also have the support of nationalists who are in a minority and don't have a chance of having 'one of their own' elected e.g. East Belfast, Strangford, Lagan Valley, North Down.
Quote from: Ulick on May 09, 2011, 12:11:50 PM
Trying to claim Alliance voters as unionist is grand except for a few points:
I don't think I did claim that AP voters were "Unionists", as such. Rather my point is that they must predomninantly come from a Unionist background. Which, combined with the fact that they are more middle-class and well-educated etc (i.e. more to lose in the "unknown"), means that in a UI referendum, I'm sure they would be more likely to vote "No" than "Yes". In that sense, they predominantly are "Unionists" (imo).
Quote from: Ulick on May 09, 2011, 12:11:50 PM1. They themselves claim they are not unionist
Ah, the classic "Have Cake and Eat it" approach to politics. That is, the AP don't claim to be "Unionist", so as not to alienate Nationalists, just as they don't claim to be "Nationalist" in order not to alienate Unionists. Which is fair enough as the 'Party Line', except that I was referring to the people who
vote AP, not the party itself.
Anyhow, politicians and voters can claim whatever they like, can't they? For example, Gerry Adams tells us he was never in the IRA. Or you have, I think, denied being officially connected to SF, yet your "hilarious" anecdote about the Teacher and his quip about Ruane and Ritchie etc at the Polling Station the other day clearly implies that you were there on behalf of Sinn Fein.
"Tell me it ain't so,
Donagh Ulick"
Quote from: Ulick on May 09, 2011, 12:11:50 PM2. A disproportionate amount of their transfers go to nationalist candidates
I would be genuinely interested in the figures for that one. And when you say "Nationalists", do you mean both main Nationalist parties, of just one? For it is possible that moderate unionists (small "u") who already vote AP as first preference in overwhelmingly Unionist areas, don't see the point in transferring to DUP or UUP shoo-ins and so transfer to the SDLP?
After all, there is anecdotal evidence of Unionists in strong Nationalist areas being prepared to vote SDLP (Fitt, Hendron, Mallon, Ritchie etc) in order to keep out SF.
Quote from: Ulick on May 09, 2011, 12:11:50 PM3. They are more likely to get elected in unionist areas as they will also have the support of nationalists who are in a minority and don't have a chance of having 'one of their own' elected e.g. East Belfast, Strangford, Lagan Valley, North Down.
There may be an element of that, but you're not trying to tell me that that accounts for the AP doing
over 8 times better in Unionist-majority constituencies (i.e. 12.5% of the vote) than in Nationalist-majority constituencies (i.e. 1.5% of the vote)?
Surely a simpler answer is that Unionist-minded voters feel safer entrusting their vote to the AP, than do their Nationalist-minded counterparts, on the basis that the AP somehow
feels if not "British/Ulster/Staunch" etc, at least vaguely "Norn Iron"?
Padraic McCotter polled 1400 first preference votes for Eirigi in Upper Falls, that is a pretty strong showing I would have thought.
Not a big political follower by have had a bit more interest in this election.
Early indications are that SDLP will have no seats in Strabane DC!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 09, 2011, 04:15:30 PM
Not a big political follower by have had a bit more interest in this election.
Early indications are that SDLP will have no seats in Strabane DC!
Early indications wrong accoring to Twitter:
SDLP defeat IRSP for the final seat on #SDC11 by less than 1 vote #le11 #lg11
Mary Kate didn't get in.
Politics is dead (ugly)
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2011, 06:28:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 09, 2011, 04:15:30 PM
Not a big political follower by have had a bit more interest in this election.
Early indications are that SDLP will have no seats in Strabane DC!
Early indications wrong accoring to Twitter:
SDLP defeat IRSP for the final seat on #SDC11 by less than 1 vote #le11 #lg11
Yep, Paul Gallagher failed by half a vote apparently.
lads whats the best twitter page to keep up to date with local election results?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 09, 2011, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2011, 06:28:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 09, 2011, 04:15:30 PM
Not a big political follower by have had a bit more interest in this election.
Early indications are that SDLP will have no seats in Strabane DC!
Early indications wrong accoring to Twitter:
SDLP defeat IRSP for the final seat on #SDC11 by less than 1 vote #le11 #lg11
Yep, Paul Gallagher failed by half a vote apparently.
Do small people only get half a vote, or how does it work?
Not sure myself, must be a quirk of the STV! Though Paul Gallagher's not small ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 09, 2011, 06:53:26 PM
Not sure myself, must be a quirk of the STV! Though Paul Gallagher's not small ;)
I think under the STV System a transferred vote carried less weight, e.g. a 1st transfer is .75 of a vote
That would explain it Worker, thanks.
The final breakdown was: IRSP: 707.13, SDLP: 707.76
Quote from: The Worker on May 09, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
lads whats the best twitter page to keep up to date with local election results?
Follow hashtags, not pages. There's two being used for this - #le11 and #lg11 - there are council-specific hashtags but there's not really enough traffic on them for a regular feed.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 09, 2011, 06:57:33 PM
That would explain it Worker, thanks.
The final breakdown was: IRSP: 707.13, SDLP: 707.76
Some finish!
QuoteThe final breakdown was: IRSP: 707.13, SDLP: 707.76
Now I could be completely wrong in this, but I think this reflect the NI STV being slightly different from the 26 county one. In the 26 counties if you have some guy with 5000 votes and a quota of 4000 then they sample 1000 votes and give the votes to the second choice. In the North they take the second choices of all 5000 and calculate a ratio (e.g. 0.2 x number of second votes), hence the above.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2011, 07:16:49 PM
QuoteThe final breakdown was: IRSP: 707.13, SDLP: 707.76
Now I could be completely wrong in this, but I think this reflect the NI STV being slightly different from the 26 county one. In the 26 counties if you have some guy with 5000 votes and a quota of 4000 then they sample 1000 votes and give the votes to the second choice. In the North they take the second choices of all 5000 and calculate a ratio (e.g. 0.2 x number of second votes), hence the above.
How is the surplus distributed?
Suppose the quota is 1,000 votes and candidate "A" gets 1,500 votes in the first count. That means 500 of their votes, a third of the total, are to be re-distributed as surplus.
Instead of transferring one third of the votes, all the 1,500 votes are transferred at one third of their value. This does not mean that your vote is actually divided up. It is simply a mathematical way of ensuring that the value of 500 votes is transferred to the candidates to whom they are due in the proper proportion. This explains why there will be fractions of votes shown in the results of various counts.http://www.eoni.org.uk/index/faqs/pr-stv-voting-system-faqs.htm
SDLP take a SF seat in Lower Falls on Éirígí transfers.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2011, 07:39:28 PM
SDLP take a SF seat in Lower Falls on Éirígí transfers.
Young fella Keenan?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W9aKYFFITxk/Tcc4KjjYoSI/AAAAAAAAApo/JwTp8cY5vOo/s320/tractor+tom.JPG)
North Down's Andrew Muir of the Alliance Party was elected this morning on 1st count. NI's 1st openly gay councillor to be elected. Changed times perhaps.
The DUP have lost overall control of Castlereagh Council, but they've now merged with the UUP to form one single Unionist Group within the council. Bitter heartland.
http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/04/12/sinn-fein%E2%80%99s-town-hall-event-speculation-on-ronan-kerr%E2%80%99s-politics/ (http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/04/12/sinn-fein%E2%80%99s-town-hall-event-speculation-on-ronan-kerr%E2%80%99s-politics/)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13320482 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13320482)
I find both these types of electioneering truly disgusting. Hijacking a dead man's memory to use a political canon fodder has to be the lowest of the low. I wouldn't mind it so much if it where family or friends declaring a particular stance, but two complete strangers predicting and articulating a dead man's motives is repulsive.
As Emmet said "Let no man write my epitaph; for as no man who knows my motives dare now vindicate them, let not prejudice or ignorance, asperse them."
Quote from: Minder on May 09, 2011, 08:41:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2011, 07:39:28 PM
SDLP take a SF seat in Lower Falls on Éirígí transfers.
Young fella Keenan?
Yeah, just 26 apparently.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2011, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 09, 2011, 08:41:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2011, 07:39:28 PM
SDLP take a SF seat in Lower Falls on Éirígí transfers.
Young fella Keenan?
Yeah, just 26 apparently.
Yeah, he looks about 12 too but supposed to be a decent young fella. Was Atwoods ticket for Assembly elections.
Niall Donnelly from Short Strand got elected to Belfast City Council for SF. He's a young guy too, a child of the post-ceasefire days.
Quote from: trileacman on May 09, 2011, 09:12:11 PM
http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/04/12/sinn-fein%E2%80%99s-town-hall-event-speculation-on-ronan-kerr%E2%80%99s-politics/ (http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/04/12/sinn-fein%E2%80%99s-town-hall-event-speculation-on-ronan-kerr%E2%80%99s-politics/)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13320482 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13320482)
I find both these types of electioneering truly disgusting. Hijacking a dead man's memory to use a political canon fodder has to be the lowest of the low. I wouldn't mind it so much if it where family or friends declaring a particular stance, but two complete strangers predicting and articulating a dead man's motives is repulsive.
As Emmet said "Let no man write my epitaph; for as no man who knows my motives dare now vindicate them, let not prejudice or ignorance, asperse them."
Yeah totally agree trileacman, i actually raised the issue of McGuinness's comments at the time here but as i suspected nobody said much about it. Crass in the extreme from both of them, but you have some people, who unbelievably, see this as further softening of the Punts image, it is spin and politiking plain and simple from him. If you scratched below the surface of Robinson and heard his views in private i would say you would see a similar figure to Tom Elliott.
2000+ votes for Eirigi in West Belfast.
Quote from: Rois on May 09, 2011, 09:22:28 PM
Niall Donnelly from Short Strand got elected to Belfast City Council for SF. He's a young guy too, a child of the post-ceasefire days.
He won't like being called that.
Anywere you can see results by council area?
Quote from: ziggysego on May 09, 2011, 09:06:08 PM
The DUP have lost overall control of Castlereagh Council, but they've now merged with the UUP to form one single Unionist Group within the council. Bitter heartland.
Ziggy from time to time you seem to have a problem with unionists just for being unionists. Why is Castlereagh 'bitter' just because it has a unionist majority?
You are simply showing your
own bitterness in my opinion.
Quote from: Minder on May 09, 2011, 09:37:09 PM
2000+ votes for Eirigi in West Belfast.
Could have got elected to the Assembly
Quote from: Tonto on May 09, 2011, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 09, 2011, 09:06:08 PM
The DUP have lost overall control of Castlereagh Council, but they've now merged with the UUP to form one single Unionist Group within the council. Bitter heartland.
Ziggy from time to time you seem to have a problem with unionists just for being unionists. Why is Castlereagh 'bitter' just because it has a unionist majority?
You are simply showing your own bitterness in my opinion.
Far from it Tonto. Anyone that knows me I'm not. I was pleased to see Ross Hussey get an MLA seat in West Tyrone last week. A good man, that does a lot of good work.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2011, 10:10:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 09, 2011, 09:37:09 PM
2000+ votes for Eirigi in West Belfast.
Could have got elected to the Assembly
Pat Sheehan only scraped through sure did he not? The quota for the assembly was over 4000 i think. Plus would these boyos sit in stormount?
Seen this on twitter:
Tom Elliot has a super injunction preventing the media from saying he is a stupid ****. What a ballbag!
Good to see paul berry get elected today. Hopefully he is more discreet about going for a massage these days.
Barry Mcelduff on facebook earlier:
'Aaaah.... Sitting back on the recliner, feet up wearing me Tyrone shorts and my saw doctors T shirt, drinking a sup of tae, and having a wee round of toast. Powerful lads, am listening to my Enya c.d, with the lights dimmed, chatting to Marty McGuiness on Facebook chat.. McGuiness is wile man with the drink in him! Good luck, Keep her lit!'
Quote from: fitzroyalty on May 10, 2011, 12:41:18 AM
Barry Mcelduff on facebook earlier:
'Aaaah.... Sitting back on the recliner, feet up wearing me Tyrone shorts and my saw doctors T shirt, drinking a sup of tae, and having a wee round of toast. Powerful lads, am listening to my Enya c.d, with the lights dimmed, chatting to Marty McGuiness on Facebook chat.. McGuiness is wile man with the drink in him! Good luck, Keep her lit!'
It's a spoof page. ::)
FFS I know it's a spoof page hence posting that; so roll those eyes elsewhere! ::) !
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 01:20:51 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:49:16 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.
One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.
but for the tactical voting of unionists around markethill mallon wouldnt have lasted near as long as he did i'm open to hear what his great achievements were i cant think of one
Surely his central role in the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement would be regarded as a significant achievement and contribution?
Mallon and Hume would be closer to SF's position on the constitutional issues than they would be to the current unionist lite policies endorsed by Richie
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally.
That must explain why the "SDLPoo" (to quote Margaret Ritchie) are such a major political force
across Ireland in this part of Ireland
What a great election for Sinn Fein,the bandwagon keeps rolling on and all the hard work is paying off.I think the transfer of the IRSP and Eirigi candidates votes helping to elect SDLP candidates in Belfast speaks volumes. Good luck to all elected and lets hope they all work to improve the lives of their constituents
Looks like SF and the SDLP are going to outnumber the combined unionist parties in Belfast City Council for the first time. Alliance will still hold the balance of power though. But for the outdated boundaries they'd probably have an outright majority.
Quote from: Ulick on May 10, 2011, 02:15:56 PM
Looks like SF and the SDLP are going to outnumber the combined unionist parties in Belfast City Council for the first time. Alliance will still hold the balance of power though. But for the outdated boundaries they'd probably have an outright majority.
Time to take it down from the mast:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1810000/images/_1811626_halfmast150.jpg)
Quote from: Ulick on May 10, 2011, 02:15:56 PM
Looks like SF and the SDLP are going to outnumber the combined unionist parties in Belfast City Council for the first time. Alliance will still hold the balance of power though. But for the outdated boundaries they'd probably have an outright majority.
Speaking of whom (Alliance), any chance of seeing your evidence that a "disproportionate" number of Alliance voters transfer to Nationalist candidates, rather than Unionist ones (post #517, earlier)?
And whilst on the subject, have you any response to my post #518?
QuoteSpeaking of whom (Alliance), any chance of seeing your evidence that a "disproportionate" number of Alliance voters transfer to Nationalist candidates, rather than Unionist ones (
Just look at the transfer of Anna Lo's surplus in South Belfast.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 10, 2011, 05:51:12 PM
QuoteSpeaking of whom (Alliance), any chance of seeing your evidence that a "disproportionate" number of Alliance voters transfer to Nationalist candidates, rather than Unionist ones (
Just look at the transfer of Anna Lo's surplus in South Belfast.
One candidate?
Btw, mine was a genuine (i.e. non-contentious) question for
Donagh Ulick
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 10, 2011, 06:32:11 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2011, 01:20:51 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 08, 2011, 12:49:16 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.
One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.
but for the tactical voting of unionists around markethill mallon wouldnt have lasted near as long as he did i'm open to hear what his great achievements were i cant think of one
Surely his central role in the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement would be regarded as a significant achievement and contribution?
Mallon and Hume would be closer to SF's position on the constitutional issues than they would be to the current unionist lite policies endorsed by Richie
I think that SF's position on such issues has shifted more than the SDLP's... and indeed in many ways closer to the SDLP's.
The Good Friday Agreement was the constiutional position of Hume and Mallon - I don't see the SDLP having moved too far from that.
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2011, 01:36:31 PM
I think the transfer of the IRSP and Eirigi candidates votes helping to elect SDLP candidates in Belfast speaks volumes.
The SDLP's candidate in Upper Falls was only 69 first preferences short of the quota and was pushed over the line with transfers from the second SDLP candidate (and probably some votes from the Alliance Candidate and DUP candidates eliminated at the same time). But the SDLP had more than a full quota in Upper Falls. And all seats were filled before the Éirígí votes could be transferred.
Éirígí's transfers in Lower Falls were 244.6 to Sinn Féin and only 112 to the SDLP, however the transfers to SF were split across a number of their candidates. But the SDLP candidate ended 137.85 votes ahead of the defeated SF candidate and as such, didn't actually need those 112 transfers.
So basically, the transfers from the Éirígí candidates did not help elect the SDLP at all.
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 10, 2011, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally.
That must explain why the "SDLPoo" (to quote Margaret Ritchie) are such a major political force across Ireland in this part of Ireland
Fianna Fail were a major political force across Ireland for generations. Whether they were effective or not is another argument.
Size and quality don't necessarily equate.
Quote from: Ulick on May 10, 2011, 02:15:56 PM
Looks like SF and the SDLP are going to outnumber the combined unionist parties in Belfast City Council for the first time. Alliance will still hold the balance of power though. But for the outdated boundaries they'd probably have an outright majority.
Not challenging you here, but in what way are the boundaries outdated? What changes do you think there should be and under what criteria? And where would you see additional nationalist seats in the city?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2011, 06:38:16 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 10, 2011, 02:15:56 PM
Looks like SF and the SDLP are going to outnumber the combined unionist parties in Belfast City Council for the first time. Alliance will still hold the balance of power though. But for the outdated boundaries they'd probably have an outright majority.
Not challenging you here, but in what way are the boundaries outdated? What changes do you think there should be and under what criteria? And where would you see additional nationalist seats in the city?
For a start there was 13.5k eligible voters in Court for 5 (unionist) council seats while in Upper and Lower Falls (also 5 seaters but all Nationalist) you had 17.25k and 20.5k eligible to vote. In Pottinger, you had 20k voters for 6 seats - 4 unionist 1 All and 1 SF - There's certainly a disparity somewhere.
Tyrone got in before me. You can see the results here:
http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/elections/index.asp (http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/elections/index.asp)
Court: Eligible electorate: 13455: 5 unionists elected
Lower Falls: Eligible electorate:17,238 : 5 nats elected
Upper Falls: Eligible electorate: 20,530: 5 nats elected
Victoria: Eligible electorate: 25,814: 6 unionists & 1 alliance elected
Castle: Eligible electorate: 19,494: 3 unionist & 3 nats elected
So you can see it takes less votes to get a unionist elected than a nationalist or another way of looking at it a nationalist vote is worth less than a unionist vote.
The proposed reform of local government was supposed to address these issues but the DUP (Poots) got cold feet when they saw the stats and realised that the proposed inclusion of Dunmurry into the city would hand nationalists an absolute majority in one fell swoop. The best option from their point of view was to long-finger it as much as possible and hope it would go away. Inevitably though, the city will have nationalist majority representation, whether Dunmurry is included or not.
Quote from: Ulick on May 10, 2011, 07:54:36 PM
The proposed reform of local government was supposed to address these issues but the DUP (Poots) got cold feet when they saw the stats and realised that the proposed inclusion of Dunmurry into the city would hand nationalists an absolute majority in one fell swoop. The best option from their point of view was to long-finger it as much as possible and hope it would go away. Inevitably though, the city will have nationalist majority representation, whether Dunmurry is included or not.
You know I was wondering about this the whole way home tonight. Looking at the overall figures throughout the 6 counties, the Unionists have far more seats than what would be proportionate to the numbers voting. I think overall, SF only got 20000 less votes (correct me if I'm wrong) than the DUP, yet they have almost 40 less seats - doesn't figure in any maths I was taught. The only explanation for it is that the boundaries are still severely messed up. This definitely needs addressing!!!
It's the same all over the north. Loughside in Craigavon Council has roughly the same electorate as Portadown yet it only gets 5 councillors to the 7 for Portadown.
Quote from: Aoise on May 10, 2011, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 10, 2011, 07:54:36 PM
The proposed reform of local government was supposed to address these issues but the DUP (Poots) got cold feet when they saw the stats and realised that the proposed inclusion of Dunmurry into the city would hand nationalists an absolute majority in one fell swoop. The best option from their point of view was to long-finger it as much as possible and hope it would go away. Inevitably though, the city will have nationalist majority representation, whether Dunmurry is included or not.
You know I was wondering about this the whole way home tonight. Looking at the overall figures throughout the 6 counties, the Unionists have far more seats than what would be proportionate to the numbers voting. I think overall, SF only got 20000 less votes (correct me if I'm wrong) than the DUP, yet they have almost 40 less seats - doesn't figure in any maths I was taught. The only explanation for it is that the boundaries are still severely messed up. This definitely needs addressing!!!
Another explanation would be turnout.
Is there a website where you can see the comparisons between population and number of council seats available across the whole of the north?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2011, 06:34:06 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2011, 01:36:31 PM
I think the transfer of the IRSP and Eirigi candidates votes helping to elect SDLP candidates in Belfast speaks volumes.
The SDLP's candidate in Upper Falls was only 69 first preferences short of the quota and was pushed over the line with transfers from the second SDLP candidate (and probably some votes from the Alliance Candidate and DUP candidates eliminated at the same time). But the SDLP had more than a full quota in Upper Falls. And all seats were filled before the Éirígí votes could be transferred.
Éirígí's transfers in Lower Falls were 244.6 to Sinn Féin and only 112 to the SDLP, however the transfers to SF were split across a number of their candidates. But the SDLP candidate ended 137.85 votes ahead of the defeated SF candidate and as such, didn't actually need those 112 transfers.
So basically, the transfers from the Éirígí candidates did not help elect the SDLP at all.
No problem Maguire,I was only talking about Lower Falls and North Belfast,was told IRSP in North and Eirigi in Lower falls transfered to SDLP my apoligies.Still 112 transfering to SDLP instead of a former Armagh prisioner seems strange for a Republican group to do and 80 transfering from IRSP to SDLP instead of going to a former hunger striker is also strange,I was not trying to slight the SDLP as it has nothing to do with them .I just think it shows that the agenda of these micro groups is more to do with trying to stop Sinn Fein than anything else as they have always hated the SDLP so why transfer to them.
Quote from: Ulick on May 10, 2011, 10:39:33 PM
It's the same all over the north. Loughside in Craigavon Council has roughly the same electorate as Portadown yet it only gets 5 councillors to the 7 for Portadown.
That's as may be, but any luck on the following,
Donagh Ulick?
"... any chance of seeing your evidence that a "disproportionate" number of Alliance voters transfer to Nationalist candidates, rather than Unionist ones (post #517, earlier)?
And... ... have you any response to my post #518?"
Quote from: glens abu on May 11, 2011, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2011, 06:34:06 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2011, 01:36:31 PM
I think the transfer of the IRSP and Eirigi candidates votes helping to elect SDLP candidates in Belfast speaks volumes.
The SDLP's candidate in Upper Falls was only 69 first preferences short of the quota and was pushed over the line with transfers from the second SDLP candidate (and probably some votes from the Alliance Candidate and DUP candidates eliminated at the same time). But the SDLP had more than a full quota in Upper Falls. And all seats were filled before the Éirígí votes could be transferred.
Éirígí's transfers in Lower Falls were 244.6 to Sinn Féin and only 112 to the SDLP, however the transfers to SF were split across a number of their candidates. But the SDLP candidate ended 137.85 votes ahead of the defeated SF candidate and as such, didn't actually need those 112 transfers.
So basically, the transfers from the Éirígí candidates did not help elect the SDLP at all.
No problem Maguire,I was only talking about Lower Falls and North Belfast,was told IRSP in North and Eirigi in Lower falls transfered to SDLP my apoligies.Still 112 transfering to SDLP instead of a former Armagh prisioner seems strange for a Republican group to do and 80 transfering from IRSP to SDLP instead of going to a former hunger striker is also strange,I was not trying to slight the SDLP as it has nothing to do with them .I just think it shows that the agenda of these micro groups is more to do with trying to stop Sinn Fein than anything else as they have always hated the SDLP so why transfer to them.
Might that be evidence that SF's formidable ability to get their core vote out in their areas nonetheless disguises the fact that they may be the least "transfer friendly" of all the parties?
That is, other voters may have various reasons for transferring preferences to another party, whether within their "tribe" or outwith, but very few ever want to transfer to SF?
I would be interested in knowing whether the figures bear out this conjecture.
Independent MLA David McClarty is NOT returning to the UUP. Two seats on the Executive for the Alliance.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 11, 2011, 06:02:57 PM
Independent MLA David McClarty is NOT returning to the UUP. Two seats on the Executive for the Alliance.
And unionism loosing a seat at the top table :'(
Quote from: ziggysego on May 11, 2011, 06:02:57 PM
Independent MLA David McClarty is NOT returning to the UUP. Two seats on the Executive for the Alliance.
Good stuff (not that I take delight in seeing a unionisst party lose an executive seat). Mc Clarty seemed like a decent aul spud during the election coverage and appeared outraged by Elliot's outburst in Omagh. This won't go down well with UUP members as McClarty was making sounds about the possibilty of rejoining the UUP fold before the scum incident.
Well played Tom.
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
Eammon Mallie on Twitter saying talk of a move against Elliot is "thick in the air". What a disastrous.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
The only possible reason they would keep Ruane would be to piss people off.
Word is that they'll go for 3 new Ministers.
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2011, 07:06:34 PM
Eammon Mallie on Twitter saying talk of a move against Elliot is "thick in the air". What a disastrous.
Was on Newsline that he is to apologise to "decent Nationalists" but no SF or their supporters.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
Have no special insight, but I'd say so. Personally I'd keep O'Dowd, Gildernew and Kelly as ministers and try out one of the younger members as junior minister in OFMDFM. SF being SF, the appointments will be made with a view to long term strategy so they'll want to boost the profile of people in particular areas and broaden the managerial experience of the less experienced - given that, it's practically impossible to predict who's going where. Big John is bound to be there as he's the best out of all those without ministerial experience and he's in an area they'll expect gains next time. Gerry Kelly will have a senior role as he's the most trusted, liked and feared all-in-one - maybe Party whip or something. I guess Michelle O'Neill for junior minister in OFMDFM simply on the basis McGuinness will need someone he trusts and gets on with (same constituency). After that I haven't a clue - they're not exactly spoilt for talent. Would love to see wee Barry get the culture job, but as it gets only 1% of the budget, it's a symbolic role no one except the unionists are really interested in.
:'(
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Ulick, I saw talk of Mitchell McLaughlin getting a ministerial post, has he been relegated somewhat in the last few years? He always seemed to be more high profile a few years ago, he always struck me as a capable performer.
Tom Elliott apologises for Sinn Fein 'scum' comments (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13368050)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
Quote from: Ulick on May 11, 2011, 08:42:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
Have no special insight, but I'd say so. Personally I'd keep O'Dowd, Gildernew and Kelly as ministers and try out one of the younger members as junior minister in OFMDFM. SF being SF, the appointments will be made with a view to long term strategy so they'll want to boost the profile of people in particular areas and broaden the managerial experience of the less experienced - given that, it's practically impossible to predict who's going where. Big John is bound to be there as he's the best out of all those without ministerial experience and he's in an area they'll expect gains next time. Gerry Kelly will have a senior role as he's the most trusted, liked and feared all-in-one - maybe Party whip or something. I guess Michelle O'Neill for junior minister in OFMDFM simply on the basis McGuinness will need someone he trusts and gets on with (same constituency). After that I haven't a clue - they're not exactly spoilt for talent. Would love to see wee Barry get the culture job, but as it gets only 1% of the budget, it's a symbolic role no one except the unionists are really interested in.
You really rate O'Dowd? :-\ I would have him down as one of the less able members of the SF team.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
Lawnseed,
She may have been welcomed by farmers but DARD made some amount of f**k ups during her time in charge which the taxpayer had to foot the bill for. If there was any proper system of ministerial responsibility in the Assembly then she should have joined Murphy in resigning.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in storming
Popular with who? She made a balls of overpayments to farmers and then said "nobody was to blame", in grown up politics a minister would be under pressure to resign or get the boot for something like that.
Would Daithi McKay be in with a shout of a promotion?
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
Hopefully the dup relinquish the Finance position.
Sammy wilson should not be allowed within a stones throw of a calculator.
Quote from: The Worker on May 11, 2011, 09:51:33 PM
Hopefully the dup relinquish the Finance position.
Sammy wilson should not be allowed within a stones throw of a calculator.
Why not? He seems one of the more capable ministers, damned with faint praise I know.
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Quote from: Minder on May 11, 2011, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: The Worker on May 11, 2011, 09:51:33 PM
Hopefully the dup relinquish the Finance position.
Sammy wilson should not be allowed within a stones throw of a calculator.
Why not? He seems one of the more capable ministers, damned with faint praise I know.
i enjoyed sammy.. and hes a biker.. great craic
Quote from: The Worker on May 11, 2011, 09:51:33 PM
Hopefully the dup relinquish the Finance position.
Sammy wilson should not be allowed within a stones throw of a calculator.
Seriously? I thought he did a fairly decent job in the Ministry, especially when you consider the current economic climate. I'd be happy to see him back in the post again.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 10:26:16 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet
Lawnseed,
I can log in and look at them anytime I like.
A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 10:26:16 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on May 11, 2011, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet
Lawnseed,
I can log in and look at them anytime I like.
A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.
do you not have to cut your hedges?
Quote from: lawnseed on May 11, 2011, 10:49:59 PM
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Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet
Lawnseed,
I can log in and look at them anytime I like.
A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.
do you not have to cut your hedges?
Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.
Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.
If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.
Irish News the other day reckoned Arlene Foster wud take finance and that Martina Anderson was a likely candidate from SF for a dept.
The DUP have already stated that Finance will be their first pick. I'd say Foster is a cert for that post.
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Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet
Lawnseed,
I can log in and look at them anytime I like.
A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.
do you not have to cut your hedges?
Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.
Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.
If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.
Here I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?
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Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet
Lawnseed,
I can log in and look at them anytime I like.
A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.
do you not have to cut your hedges?
Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.
Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.
If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.
Here I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?
GONE
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Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet
Lawnseed,
I can log in and look at them anytime I like.
A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.
do you not have to cut your hedges?
Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.
Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.
If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.
Here I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?
They did very well !!
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 12, 2011, 11:48:07 AMHere I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?
Try here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-13336844
Or www.impartialreporter.com (when their latest edition goes online)
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
It is also perfectly credible to believe that the SDLP are more effective nationalists than the rather crass carry on of Sinn Féin, who are not typical of the Irish people generally. Softly softly catchee monkey and all that.
One of the notable things about the recent election count were media interviews by Marty and Jeffrey Donaldson that could have been taken from John Hume's speeches, with talk of "working together for the shared future of our people". I am not sure that the modern SDLP has people quite of the calibre of Hume and Mallon, who did a real service to the people of Ireland.
but for the tactical voting of unionists around markethill mallon wouldnt have lasted near as long as he did i'm open to hear what his great achievements were i cant think of one
Surely his central role in the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement would be regarded as a significant achievement and contribution?
Mallon and Hume would be closer to SF's position on the constitutional issues than they would be to the current unionist lite policies endorsed by Richie
I think that SF's position on such issues has shifted more than the SDLP's... and indeed in many ways closer to the SDLP's.
The Good Friday Agreement was the constiutional position of Hume and Mallon - I don't see the SDLP having moved too far from that.
Whilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan. The SDLP has moved away from the Hume Mallon position. In addition Margaret Ritchie is leading them even more to acceptance of the Union certainly in the medium term. Combine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.
QuoteWhilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan
I'd need some further evidence of this "union friendly stance". Dame O'Loan was a British person, I am not sure why she should not take an honour because of her husband's politics.
QuoteCombine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.
Sadly enough for nationalism, Sinn Féin have little enough talent coming through in the 6 counties.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
QuoteWhilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan
I'd need some further evidence of this "union friendly stance". Dame O'Loan was a British person, I am not sure why she should not take an honour because of her husband's politics.
QuoteCombine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.
Sadly enough for nationalism, Sinn Féin have little enough talent coming through in the 6 counties.
There are numerous others who have accepted gongs, Nuala O'Loan is just a well known example, she couldn't have accepted without her husbands support. In General the shinners are better organized they are more media savy and spread jobs and profile around, take Martina Anderson as an example. The SDLP have poor organization they are lazy politicians who don't engage in their communities...a general observation there are some notable and capable exceptions. I am not saying which party is right or wrong just presenting my analysis of the SDLP's problems.
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
QuoteWhilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan
I'd need some further evidence of this "union friendly stance". Dame O'Loan was a British person, I am not sure why she should not take an honour because of her husband's politics.
QuoteCombine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.
Sadly enough for nationalism, Sinn Féin have little enough talent coming through in the 6 counties.
There are numerous others who have accepted gongs, Nuala O'Loan is just a well known example, she couldn't have accepted without her husbands support. In General the shinners are better organized they are more media savy and spread jobs and profile around, take Martina Anderson as an example. The SDLP have poor organization they are lazy politicians who don't engage in their communities...a general observation there are some notable and capable exceptions. I am not saying which party is right or wrong just presenting my analysis of the SDLP's problems.
And therein lies a problem. You should appoint people to jobs because they're capable, not for the sake of 'spreading it around'. It's not giving out sweets at a child's birthday party.
And I hear Paul Maskey is likely to be the candidate in the West Belfast by-election. Even with 70% of the popular vote in that constituency, they don't have much in terms of quality.
Think of it as a team - you cant just stick with the same faces, both team and results suffer - new players need to be given the opportunity to perform and gain experience
Quote from: haranguerer on May 12, 2011, 04:48:31 PM
Think of it as a team - you cant just stick with the same faces, both team and results suffer - new players need to be given the opportunity to perform and gain experience
I agree that you can't remain static, but you have to balance rotation with quality control. Some MLAs - across
all parties - would never be Ministerial material and shouldn't be given opportunities just because it's their turn.
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Ulick, can we expect Catriona to get the road next week? I'm keeping everything crossed. Is big O'Dowd in the running for a seat at the table? Always comes across as a good operator on tv so id like to see him replace Ruane or possibly Murphy who didn't help himself with his handling of NIW during the winter. Gildernew is no great shakes either.
tony i don't know how you think Michelle gildernew was no great shakes as agric minister when she was greeted everywhere she went in the farming comunity with rapturous applause IMO your completely wrong there she was probably the most popular minister in stormont
I know she was popular and that is because she was giving money to farmers hand over fist. DofA fucked up when submitting claims to EU and were fined to the tune of £60million. She wasn't personally responsible but he claim that no-one was to blame stuck in my craw and summed up all that is wrong with public sector NI.
actually what happened was the bean counters in Brussels started to look for excuses to reduce the single farm payment and began to stroke off land that was ineligible that had previously been payed out on. this included laneways, rushy ground, new yards, overgrown hedges. individuals had failed to stroke these areas off their maps and the dept had failed to notice Michelle took the hit to avoid the individuals getting done for fraud and the issue was sidestepped, i understand that the 60million fine is being appealed with a Strong chance of success. i also understand that the Irish discrepancies were amongst the lowest in Europe
Thats complete and total balls. The land that was being claimed for should not have been claimed for and was never eligible for inclusion for SFP. Michelle didnt take any "hit" as she kept her job and the taxpayer has to foot the bill.
hedges grow and so do rushes oakleaf what do you want her to do, cut them?
Lawnseed,
You either know nothing about the eligibility of land under the SFP scheme or are stupid, which is it?
Hedges should be cut every second year unless they are at the roadside. Rushes have nothing to do with eligibility. All those issues are covered by the cross compliance checks which are carried out.
Gildernew was responsible as the Minister for the incorrect submissions.
i think you'll find that rushes do render land ineligible did you not get any aerial photos yet
Lawnseed,
I can log in and look at them anytime I like.
A field is either eligible or its not. We could go back and forth with different examples all night about different types of things covered under the 7 measures but the buck stopped with Gildernew.
do you not have to cut your hedges?
Lawnseed rushes make no field ineligible, quit it with your pub talk bullshite.
Gildernew is a bollix who doled out money hand over fist, ignored the rules and has been sent back from Europe with her tail between her legs. Trying to blame the 100 million fine that is in the pipeline for the taxpayer on "individuals" who didn't cut hedges or spray rushes is a conspiracy theory of the highest degree.
If the southern Ag minister brought a 100 million euro fine on the taxpayer he'd be out on his hole, it is annoying to think that the Shinner spin doctors can get this swept under the carpet and draw up double jobbing as an important issue. Gildernew is as successful an agriculture minister as she is a MP.
Here I've been away for a few days, can you tell me how the SDLP got on in Fermanagh and South Tyrone?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/election2011/constituency/html/36716.stm
Have you your single farm payment application in yet gda?
Some interesting decisions with regard to the ministries. Nobody wants to be Health Minister.
Indeed.
DUP to take Enterprise, Trade and Investment which SF were widely tipped to be keen on to develop the All Ireland strategy. For that reason alone im disappointed. SF to keep education and agriculture and to take culture, arts and leisure, so expect an Irish Language Act on the agenda fairly quickly. DUP to keep finance obviously but also take health.
Will wee Barry be the next Culture & Sports Minister? Keep her lit!
Wouldn't rule it out ziggy. There'd be less time on his hands to be ringin stephen nolan then!
What ministers position is O'Dowd tipped for then?
Quote from: The Worker on May 13, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
What ministers position is O'Dowd tipped for then?
I'd say Education.
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 06:20:31 PM
Indeed.
DUP to take Enterprise, Trade and Investment which SF were widely tipped to be keen on to develop the All Ireland strategy. For that reason alone im disappointed. SF to keep education and agriculture and to take culture, arts and leisure, so expect an Irish Language Act on the agenda fairly quickly. DUP to keep finance obviously but also take health.
In reality though how much control and or influence can an assembly minister have? I mean how could SF manage the trade portfolio so much differently than the DUP? Could the language act even go through, even with a SF minister? SF proposals for a language act were quashed before, nothing has changed so they will be again. In the case of the Maze stadium, once the "shrine" uproar occured, party politics, 3rd party interests and finance intervened. Campbells only intervention was to decide when the money arrived, not who, where or how.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 12, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 12, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
QuoteWhilst Sinn Fein's position has moderated some what, probably because it was a negotiation stance much like the DUP, the SDLP in some constituency's have shifted to a Union friendly stance. Hence the acceptance of British Honours by some high profile people with connections to SDLP such as Dame O'Loan
I'd need some further evidence of this "union friendly stance". Dame O'Loan was a British person, I am not sure why she should not take an honour because of her husband's politics.
QuoteCombine this with her lack of Charisma and saddle her with people like Doleres Kelly and Alex Attwood and it is no wonder Sinn Fein keep growing at the polls.
Sadly enough for nationalism, Sinn Féin have little enough talent coming through in the 6 counties.
There are numerous others who have accepted gongs, Nuala O'Loan is just a well known example, she couldn't have accepted without her husbands support. In General the shinners are better organized they are more media savy and spread jobs and profile around, take Martina Anderson as an example. The SDLP have poor organization they are lazy politicians who don't engage in their communities...a general observation there are some notable and capable exceptions. I am not saying which party is right or wrong just presenting my analysis of the SDLP's problems.
And therein lies a problem. You should appoint people to jobs because they're capable, not for the sake of 'spreading it around'. It's not giving out sweets at a child's birthday party.
And I hear Paul Maskey is likely to be the candidate in the West Belfast by-election. Even with 70% of the popular vote in that constituency, they don't have much in terms of quality.
But by and large they are capable. Another problem for SDLP is the lack of capable people and indeed leadership.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 13, 2011, 06:22:40 PM
Will wee Barry be the next Culture & Sports Minister? Keep her lit!
God forbid otherwise every penny will go to the Tyrone County Board.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 13, 2011, 06:22:40 PM
Will wee Barry be the next Culture & Sports Minister? Keep her lit!
Possibly but I'd say Ruane is bound to be the favourite at this stage, fluent in a few languages (native Irish speaker as well), played tennis to high standard, experience at running large community and cultural festivals.
Quote from: Ulick on May 14, 2011, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 13, 2011, 06:22:40 PM
Will wee Barry be the next Culture & Sports Minister? Keep her lit!
Possibly but I'd say Ruane is bound to be the favourite at this stage, fluent in a few languages (native Irish speaker as well), played tennis to high standard, experience at running large community and cultural festivals.
There's speculation, albeit on the BBC, that Ruane won't be in the Executive this term.
Quote from: Ulick on May 14, 2011, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 13, 2011, 06:22:40 PM
Will wee Barry be the next Culture & Sports Minister? Keep her lit!
Possibly but I'd say Ruane is bound to be the favourite at this stage, fluent in a few languages (native Irish speaker as well), played tennis to high standard, experience at running large community and cultural festivals.
You still around,
Donagh Ulick?
Any chance you could supply me the figures to back up your assertion earlier in this thread that a "disproportionate" number of Alliance voters transfer to Nationalists, rather than Unionists?
I don't know the figures myself, so I'm not going to say you're wrong.
Or even making it up... ;)
Quote from: trileacman on May 13, 2011, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 13, 2011, 06:20:31 PM
Indeed.
DUP to take Enterprise, Trade and Investment which SF were widely tipped to be keen on to develop the All Ireland strategy. For that reason alone im disappointed. SF to keep education and agriculture and to take culture, arts and leisure, so expect an Irish Language Act on the agenda fairly quickly. DUP to keep finance obviously but also take health.
In reality though how much control and or influence can an assembly minister have? I mean how could SF manage the trade portfolio so much differently than the DUP? Could the language act even go through, even with a SF minister? SF proposals for a language act were quashed before, nothing has changed so they will be again. In the case of the Maze stadium, once the "shrine" uproar occured, party politics, 3rd party interests and finance intervened. Campbells only intervention was to decide when the money arrived, not who, where or how.
d'hondt or not there was no doubt extensive horse trading between SF and DUP. Shinners will obviously continue with Education with a DUP proviso that they look at something like the Dickson Plan re. academic selection.
Sinn Fein
Education - John O'Dowd
Agriculture - Michelle O'Neill
Culture & Arts - Caral Ni Chuilin
Junior Minister - Martina Anderson
DUP
Health - Edwin Poots (replaced with Jim Wells)
Finance - Sammy Wilson (replaced with Simon Hamilton)
DETI - Arlene Foster
DSD - Nelson McCausland
Junior Minister - Jonathan Bell
SDLP
Environment - Alex Attwood
Alliance
Employment and Learning - Stephen Farry
UUP
Regional Development - Danny Kennedy
Interesting choices by the Shinners there ???
Quote from: ziggysego on May 16, 2011, 12:08:45 PM
Sinn Fein
Education - John O'Dowd
Agriculture - Michelle O'Neill
Culture & Arts - Caral Ni Chuilin
Junior Minister - Martina Anderson
DUP
Health - Edwin Poots (replaced with Jim Wells)
Finance - Sammy Wilson (replaced with Simon Hamilton)
DETI - Arlene Foster
DSD - Nelson McCausland
Junior Minister - Jonathan Bell
SDLP
Environment - Alex Attwood
Alliance
Employment and Learning - Stephen Farry
UUP
Regional Development - Danny Kennedy
Here comes the Irish Language Act ;)
What has big Pootsy done wrong? ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on May 16, 2011, 12:08:45 PM
Sinn Fein
Education - John O'Dowd
Agriculture - Michelle O'Neill
Culture & Arts - Caral Ni Chuilin
Junior Minister - Martina Anderson
DUP
Health - Edwin Poots (replaced with Jim Wells)
Finance - Sammy Wilson (replaced with Simon Hamilton)
DETI - Arlene Foster
DSD - Nelson McCausland
Junior Minister - Jonathan Bell
SDLP
Environment - Alex Attwood
Alliance
Employment and Learning - Stephen Farry
UUP
Regional Development - Danny Kennedy
No houses for the Taigs in north Belfast then.
Quote from: Ulick on May 16, 2011, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 16, 2011, 12:08:45 PM
Sinn Fein
Education - John O'Dowd
Agriculture - Michelle O'Neill
Culture & Arts - Caral Ni Chuilin
Junior Minister - Martina Anderson
DUP
Health - Edwin Poots (replaced with Jim Wells)
Finance - Sammy Wilson (replaced with Simon Hamilton)
DETI - Arlene Foster
DSD - Nelson McCausland
Junior Minister - Jonathan Bell
SDLP
Environment - Alex Attwood
Alliance
Employment and Learning - Stephen Farry
UUP
Regional Development - Danny Kennedy
No houses for the Taigs in north Belfast then.
No reply to my query in post #631 and elsewhere, then,
Donagh Ulick?
In case you've "overlooked" it, #631 is just a wee scroll up the page... ;)
The SDLP really don't help themselves. Attwood doesn't exactly set the world alight.
The Irish Language Act surely will only get passed via an all party vote? In the current climate they'd need to have some good justification for spending money on translating documents people can already read and understand. Having said that it may only be a small % of the money wasted elsewhere. Do two wrongs make a right?
Quote from: aontroim on May 16, 2011, 12:40:37 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 16, 2011, 12:08:45 PM
Sinn Fein
Education - John O'Dowd
Agriculture - Michelle O'Neill
Culture & Arts - Caral Ni Chuilin
Junior Minister - Martina Anderson
DUP
Health - Edwin Poots (replaced with Jim Wells)
Finance - Sammy Wilson (replaced with Simon Hamilton)
DETI - Arlene Foster
DSD - Nelson McCausland
Junior Minister - Jonathan Bell
SDLP
Environment - Alex Attwood
Alliance
Employment and Learning - Stephen Farry
UUP
Regional Development - Danny Kennedy
Here comes the Irish Language Act ;)
She should allocate some extra money for Irish Language classes. And then attend them herself.
Although surprised Anderson wasn't given that brief, given that the Derry City of Culture gig is during this term and that she'll likely be challenging for the Foyle seat again at the next Westminster elections.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 16, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
The SDLP really don't help themselves. Attwood doesn't exactly set the world alight.
Yeah, bad move there. Attwood's Assembly seat is safe and he has a high enough profile. McGlone will feel shafted here, not even getting a Committee Chair or Vice-Chair.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 16, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
The Irish Language Act surely will only get passed via an all party vote? In the current climate they'd need to have some good justification for spending money on translating documents people can already read and understand. Having said that it may only be a small % of the money wasted elsewhere. Do two wrongs make a right?
The Irish Language Act can't happen without Executive support as far as I understand. So unless SF has done a deal with the DUP (what price for letting Hay stay on as speaker?)... Safe to say that if it does happen, it won't be down to the new DCAL Minister.
I think this complete change stuff with SF is a bit odd. Where in governments do you find this extent of rotation of posts. You put the best people forward, it seems rather odd that none of the previous lot are now the best people. You wouldn't see Tyrone changing their manager just to give someone else a go, although perhaps this would be a good idea in Armagh.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 16, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
The SDLP really don't help themselves. Attwood doesn't exactly set the world alight.
The Irish Language Act surely will only get passed via an all party vote? In the current climate they'd need to have some good justification for spending money on translating documents people can already read and understand. Having said that it may only be a small % of the money wasted elsewhere. Do two wrongs make a right?
Nah, just an executive.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 16, 2011, 11:29:35 PM
I think this complete change stuff with SF is a bit odd. Where in governments do you find this extent of rotation of posts. You put the best people forward, it seems rather odd that none of the previous lot are now the best people. You wouldn't see Tyrone changing their manager just to give someone else a go, although perhaps this would be a good idea in Armagh.
perhaps they are showing the strenght and depth of their team more like cork, tbh mcguinness needs a while on the bench/holiday ;)
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 16, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 16, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
The SDLP really don't help themselves. Attwood doesn't exactly set the world alight.
Yeah, bad move there. Attwood's Assembly seat is safe and he has a high enough profile. McGlone will feel shafted here, not even getting a Committee Chair or Vice-Chair.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 16, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
The Irish Language Act surely will only get passed via an all party vote? In the current climate they'd need to have some good justification for spending money on translating documents people can already read and understand. Having said that it may only be a small % of the money wasted elsewhere. Do two wrongs make a right?
The Irish Language Act can't happen without Executive support as far as I understand. So unless SF has done a deal with the DUP (what price for letting Hay stay on as speaker?)... Safe to say that if it does happen, it won't be down to the new DCAL Minister.
News reports this morning of a big row in the SDLP over Atwoods appointment. McGlone is reported to have refused a committee chair.
I maybe wrong but was there not something a year or two back saying we were about to get finned by the EU for not upholding some Charter for the protection of minority languages?
Quote from: Ulick on May 17, 2011, 10:51:38 AM
I maybe wrong but was there not something a year or two back saying we were about to get finned by the EU for not upholding some Charter for the protection of minority languages?
Who pays for this? http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/html/148.htm (http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/html/148.htm)
QuoteAny chance you could supply me the figures to back up your assertion earlier in this thread that a "disproportionate" number of Alliance voters transfer to Nationalists, rather than Unionists?
I am not Ulick, never met the man (or lady), but this is getting on my wick.
Anna Lo's surplus from South Belfast
SDLP -39.9%
SF -4.9%
UU -21.5%
DUP -7.9%
Green (NI) -19.0%
People Before Profit -3.5%
Nationalists -44.8%
Unionists -29.4%
Neither -22.5%
Quote from: armaghniac on May 17, 2011, 07:27:11 PM
QuoteAny chance you could supply me the figures to back up your assertion earlier in this thread that a "disproportionate" number of Alliance voters transfer to Nationalists, rather than Unionists?
I am not Ulick, never met the man (or lady), but this is getting on my wick.
Anna Lo's surplus from South Belfast
SDLP -39.9%
SF -4.9%
UU -21.5%
DUP -7.9%
Green (NI) -19.0%
People Before Profit -3.5%
Nationalists -44.8%
Unionists -29.4%
Neither -22.5%
Queue a half page of waffle and quotes from EG....
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 17, 2011, 07:49:01 PMQueue a half page of waffle and quotes from EG....
No, I need only point out that Anna Lo was only one AP candidate and South Belfast only one constituency.
Donagh's Ulick claim referred to Alliance voters in totality.
QuoteNo, I need only point out that Anna Lo was only one AP candidate and South Belfast only one constituency.
Mind you a constituency where Alliance are strong.
But if you want to post some other data then we all await with bated breath.
:D :D :D
That is a perfect example of why its pointless even trying to engage with that idiot. A complete waste of time.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 17, 2011, 09:22:25 PM
QuoteNo, I need only point out that Anna Lo was only one AP candidate and South Belfast only one constituency.
Mind you a constituency where Alliance are strong.
But if you want to post some other data then we all await with bated breath.
You asked for it...
In Upper Bann, Hamilton's transfers went 35% to SDLP/SF, and 65% to UUP/DUP.
In North Antrim, Dunlop's transfers went 39.7% to SDLP/SF and 60.3% to UUP/DUP/TUV
Or in East Londonderry, Fitzpatrick's went 40.0% to SDLP/SF and 60.0% to UUP/DUP/Ind.U
Even in South Down, Griffin's transfers only went 54% to SDLP/SF, 46% to UUP/DUP/UKIP, despite the Constituency being 66.7% Nationalist, 28.6% Unionist and 4.7% Other.
Or if I really wanted to follow your lead and extrapolate from a single set of figures in order to give a totally misleading impression, I could refer to North Belfast, where 100% of Webb's transfers went to UUP/DUP! :o
And what would this, or your citing of South Belfast's transfers prove? Actually, due to the idiosyncracies of PR; the individual characteristics of certain Constituencies; and the influence of personal votes (eg O'Donnell in S.Belfast), it proves nothing.
Therefore unless you have more detailed statistics available than me ( www.eoni.org.uk/index/elections/election-2011/assembly-election-results-by-stage.htm ), then you simply cannot state that Alliance Voters transfer disproportionatley to Nationalist Parties over Unionist Parties.
However, there is one* thing we can say with certainty. In the 7 Constituencies with a Nationalist majority, the average Alliance share of the 1st Preference votes was 1.5%. In the 11 Contituencies with a Unionist majority, the Alliance share of 1st Preference votes was 12.5% i.e. over eight times higher.
Therefore, I can confidently conclude Alliance voters are far more likely to come from a Unionist background than from a Nationalist one.That being the case, it is highly unlikely that Alliance voters will distribute their preferences disproportionately to Nationalist candidates over Unionist ones. In fact if anything, logic would dictate that the
opposite is the case.
* - I can't prove it, but from eyeballing the figures, I would be prepared to bet that SF are the least "transfer-friendly" of the six major Parties...
Quote from: Ulick on May 20, 2011, 08:36:19 AM
:D :D :D
That is a perfect example of why its pointless even trying to engage with that idiot. A complete waste of time.
No, in trying to draw a general conclusion from a single set of figures, Armaghniac has shown himself to be the "idiot" (see my post #653).
However, by simply making things up, then refusing even to acknowledge it when caught out,
you have been shown to be something rather worse. :o
Perhaps it's time for you to withdraw from the Board for a while?
After all, you could always come back again under a new User Name, eh
Donagh Ulick? ::)
Quote from: Evil Genius on May 20, 2011, 07:57:06 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 20, 2011, 08:36:19 AM
:D :D :D
That is a perfect example of why its pointless even trying to engage with that idiot. A complete waste of time.
No, in trying to draw a general conclusion from a single set of figures, Armaghniac has shown himself to be the "idiot" (see my post #653).
However, by simply making things up, then refusing even to acknowledge it when caught out, you have been shown to be something rather worse. :o
Perhaps it's time for you to withdraw from the Board for a while?
After all, you could always come back again under a new User Name, eh Donagh Ulick? ::)
whats the craic with the donagh strikethrough? its getting a little tiresome at this stage
Quote from: The Worker on May 20, 2011, 09:05:31 PM
whats the craic with the donagh strikethrough? its getting a little tiresome at this stage
Is he still doing it? I hadn't noticed ;)
What happened that Donagh chap anyway?
QuoteYou asked for it...
I did, and thanks for finding the election office link.
QuoteNo, in trying to draw a general conclusion from a single set of figures, Armaghniac has shown himself to be the "idiot" (see my post #653).
I didn't make a strong statement on this. I merely chose the constituency with the largest Alliance vote as my example, when you came along with "evidence" it was the transfers of candidates who got less than half the vote of Anna Lo. In South Down Ritchie might have picked up transfers but was already elected when the the Alliance candidate was eliminated. My own feeling is that both of you are overstating things and Alliance are pretty much in the middle. A good deal more analysis is needed to make a stronger statement.
But if you can confidently conclude Alliance voters are far more likely to come from a Unionist background, I worry a bit if I wanted the union to continue. These people are now in the willing to talk about it camp and history is (fortunately) trending in only one direction.
Quote from: Ulick on May 20, 2011, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: The Worker on May 20, 2011, 09:05:31 PM
whats the craic with the donagh strikethrough? its getting a little tiresome at this stage
Is he still doing it? I hadn't noticed ;)
Yea right, we believe ye! :D
It's a sure sign of insecurity that our unionist brothers are now so desperate to tell us that Alliance are unionist, despite the official AP line and the great efforts of their members to convince us that they're not. At the end of the day it doesn't matter a jot. As their transfers show, they are soft on the national question and open to persuasion. Given that the "unionist majority" is now a thing of the past and the AP now hold the balance in our current plurality, I suppose they have reason to be insecure. The northern state is inevitably going the same way as Belfast. It took only 14 years since the unionists lost their majority until the nationalists overtook them on the council. Factor in the soft AP vote and the NI state has about 15-20 years left, max.
As for Donagh, he caught a ride to Tír na nÓg with aintín Naimh on a magical horse. This is him squaring up to a giant rooster:
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217670_10150185603554961_639549960_6905568_4194089_n.jpg)
Now, Ulick, if you can guarantee me 20 yrs max, I'm off to Tir na N'Og myself, and I'll hang around to see it.
Sure, didn't I wait 47 for Armagh to lift Sam. Do you think Kieran McGeeney could lift Peter Robinson over his head, and say, "Sin e"?
Forgive my ignorance, but what will an Irish Language Act actually consist of?
Quote from: hsthompson on May 21, 2011, 06:55:39 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what will an Irish Language Act actually consist of?
irish words
Yawn. Stupid smartass comments like that make this board very tiresome. Minder is another fiend for it, why do yous bother your holes
Quote from: hsthompson on May 21, 2011, 06:55:39 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what will an Irish Language Act actually consist of?
maybe signage in irish, official docs in both english and irish, bbc news in irish, the queen has to learn more irish, i hated irish at school the teacher was a total nutter and a bully. you should hear the sighs of boredom at county board meetings when somebody starts speaking irish and the gaa are supposed to be promoting irish. i cant say i condone the spending of too much public money on this especially when fellas like gerry adams are slagged off by gaelgoir snobs when he does his best to try to speak the language instead of trying to encourage him ::)
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2011, 11:32:16 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 21, 2011, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on May 21, 2011, 06:55:39 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what will an Irish Language Act actually consist of?
maybe signage in Irish, official docs in both English and Irish, BBC news in Irish, the queen has to learn more Irish, i hated Irish at school the teacher was a total nutter and a bully. you should hear the sighs of boredom at county board meetings when somebody starts speaking Irish and the gaa are supposed to be promoting Irish. i cant say i condone the spending of too much public money on this especially when fellas like Gerry Adams are slagged off by gaelgoir snobs when he does his best to try to speak the language instead of trying to encourage him ::)
Now, houl on there. That post is complete bollix!
You blame your hatred/lack of Irish on a teacher. If you had a bully as a maths teacher, you'd still f**king know if you were short in your wages. You have no Irish because you have no interest in learning it. Stop with the cop out shit.
Gerry Adams' Irish is totally shocking and he is far beyond encouragement at this stage. He has had the same standard of Irish for about 30 years and has done fcuk all to try and improve it. Please stop talking shite.
never the less, whether you think my post is bollix i have stated a fact my Irish teacher was piss poor- fact! not one person in my year choose Irish as an o level and the teacher suffered from depression-fact! as regards Gerry's Irish it could be brilliant i don't know but I'll take your word that its not good. Gerry is self taught and thats better than me therefore i applaud his effort for he didn't have an Irish teacher at school nutter or otherwise. as you will know there is a debate raging throughout the teaching profession and gaeldom that the way Irish is taught in schools throughout ireland needs to change as it is the subject students of all ages hate the most so actually my post isn't complete bollix is it. ps if its a choice between a hospital and irish...
its a pity that you have choosen to post on a subject you obviously dont have a clue about. i posted on what i presume an irish language act will entail and made reference to MY experience of how it was taught and the calibre of the teacher provided and how non irish speakers and poor irish speakers are treated as dummies. if you are going to try to get someone to learn a language that is not essential to their daily life you need to 'sell' the idea and market it in a way that actually makes your target customer think that they 'need' to learn irish. foisting the irish language on youngsters isnt working
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2011, 11:21:56 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on May 21, 2011, 10:58:33 PM
Yawn. Stupid smartass comments like that make this board very tiresome. Minder is another fiend for it, why do yous bother your holes
Speaking of bothering holes, have you tried google? I bothered my hole, and found this, which might help:
http://www.pobal.org/english/irishlanguageact.php (http://www.pobal.org/english/irishlanguageact.php)
It may not help though as I didn't bother my hole reading it. However, as you are a person who is interested in this subject, you might bother your hole.
If you bother your hole and find that reading this was not worth bothering your hole for, please bother your hole to reply to this post and tell me that your hole was unduly bothered. I will then bother my hole to find a better answer to your question.
:D
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 22, 2011, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2011, 11:21:56 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on May 21, 2011, 10:58:33 PM
Yawn. Stupid smartass comments like that make this board very tiresome. Minder is another fiend for it, why do yous bother your holes
Speaking of bothering holes, have you tried google? I bothered my hole, and found this, which might help:
http://www.pobal.org/english/irishlanguageact.php (http://www.pobal.org/english/irishlanguageact.php)
It may not help though as I didn't bother my hole reading it. However, as you are a person who is interested in this subject, you might bother your hole.
If you bother your hole and find that reading this was not worth bothering your hole for, please bother your hole to reply to this post and tell me that your hole was unduly bothered. I will then bother my hole to find a better answer to your question.
:D
Agreed, That was funny, Hats off, Hardstation !
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2011, 11:32:16 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 21, 2011, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on May 21, 2011, 06:55:39 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what will an Irish Language Act actually consist of?
maybe signage in irish, official docs in both english and irish, bbc news in irish, the queen has to learn more irish, i hated irish at school the teacher was a total nutter and a bully. you should hear the sighs of boredom at county board meetings when somebody starts speaking irish and the gaa are supposed to be promoting irish. i cant say i condone the spending of too much public money on this especially when fellas like gerry adams are slagged off by gaelgoir snobs when he does his best to try to speak the language instead of trying to encourage him ::)
Now, houl on there. That post is complete bollix!
+1
Although i'm not even sure as to what the last sentence means.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 20, 2011, 09:57:33 PM
But if you can confidently conclude Alliance voters are far more likely to come from a Unionist background, I worry a bit if I wanted the union to continue. These people are now in the willing to talk about it camp and history is (fortunately) trending in only one direction.
Quite the opposite. I'm no less of a unionist for having voted Alliance (and Green) recently, and with the Union secure I see little imperative to vote for a "unionist party".
Are there any rules with regard to removal of election posters after elections? The shinners are the only ones with posters up in Armagh. They're hanging every road so isn't it time Sean Boylan and the rest took their mugshots down?
Sean Boylan has never ran for office in Armagh as far as I know. I was of course referring to Cathal Boylan!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 23, 2011, 01:00:59 AM
Sean Boylan has never ran for office in Armagh as far as I know. I was of course referring to Cathal Boylan!
thought it was another fallout from the meath camp there!
Quote from: Banana Man on May 23, 2011, 09:42:22 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 23, 2011, 01:00:59 AM
Sean Boylan has never ran for office in Armagh as far as I know. I was of course referring to Cathal Boylan!
thought it was another fallout from the meath camp there!
My mistake. Anyway the gales today should have taken care of any outstanding posters! I'll check on the way home from work.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 20, 2011, 09:57:33 PM
QuoteNo, in trying to draw a general conclusion from a single set of figures, Armaghniac has shown himself to be the "idiot" (see my post #653).
I didn't make a strong statement on this. I merely chose the constituency with the largest Alliance vote as my example, when you came along with "evidence" it was the transfers of candidates who got less than half the vote of Anna Lo. In South Down Ritchie might have picked up transfers but was already elected when the the Alliance candidate was eliminated. My own feeling is that both of you are overstating things and Alliance are pretty much in the middle.
Er, a wee bit of backtracking there [
bold], I think.
You see, in order to bolster his case that the trend in NI was towards a UI,
Donagh Ulick originally basically made up the claim that Alliance voters transfer disproportionately towards Nationalist candidates.
But you did not respond to him by claiming that Alliance voters are "pretty much in the middle" when it comes to transferring. Instead, you went to the trouble of looking up and quoting Anna Lo's transfers only. Considering that these were predominantly to Nationalist alternatives, whilst you ignored several other examples where Alliance transfers went predominantly to Unionist candidates, the only feasible conclusion is that you were looking to support
Donagh's Ulick's fabrication.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 20, 2011, 09:57:33 PMA good deal more analysis is needed to make a stronger statement.
Agree, but why did you stop at South Belfast? Why didn't
you undertake some more analysis before throwing the Lo transfers into the debate?
Might the real reason be that due to the fact that Alliance candidates receive
over eight times the share of the 1st preference vote in Unionist-majority constituencies than they do in Nationalist-majority constituencies, further analysis may reveal that those self same 1st preference Alliance voters also transfer disproportionately back to the community from which they come? ::)
After all, logic at least (as well as those figures I quoted earlier from four constituencies) would suggest that they do.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 20, 2011, 09:57:33 PMBut if you can confidently conclude Alliance voters are far more likely to come from a Unionist background, I worry a bit if I wanted the union to continue.
Not in the least worried, rather quite the contrary (like MW).
You see, the Nationalist share of the vote in NI is now stuck stubbornly around the 41-42% mark, unchanged in nearly a decade and a half. Therefore if it is ever going to reach the magical 50%+1 mark, it (Nationalism) will have to find extra votes from somewhere. One obvious area would be the centre/Alliance vote.
Yet if, as seems clear, that vote emanates very predominately from the Unionist community, then Nationalism will self-evidently have a much harder task in "converting" them than if Alliance voters came mostly, or even evenly, from a Nationalist background.
Or, to put it another way, by far the most successful and significant election result Alliance has ever received was when Naomi Long, rather than, say, the UUP or TUV, took advantage of Peter Robinson's problems in last year's East Belfast Westminster election. How many of her 13k-odd voters do you reckon would vote "Yes" in a referendum on a UI? :D
Quote from: armaghniac on May 20, 2011, 09:57:33 PMThese people are now in the willing to talk about it camp and history is (fortunately) trending in only one direction.
There you go again.
Where is your evidence that history is trending towards the only recognised means of achieving a UI, i.e. a 50%+1 vote in a referendum in NI?
If you stubbornly repeat it over and over, even in the face of clear evidence to the contrary, you'll only end up looking like Lynchbhoy... :D
Quote from: Ulick on May 20, 2011, 11:56:11 PM
It's a sure sign of insecurity that our unionist brothers are now so desperate to tell us that Alliance are unionist, despite the official AP line and the great efforts of their members to convince us that they're not. At the end of the day it doesn't matter a jot. As their transfers show, they are soft on the national question and open to persuasion. Given that the "unionist majority" is now a thing of the past and the AP now hold the balance in our current plurality, I suppose they have reason to be insecure. The northern state is inevitably going the same way as Belfast. It took only 14 years since the unionists lost their majority until the nationalists overtook them on the council. Factor in the soft AP vote and the NI state has about 15-20 years left, max.
Funny enough, I think it's "insecurity" that drives someone to imagine that the new Alliance voters of East Belfast or North Down, who may previously have voted for the UUP, DUP or PUP, are now "ambivalent" on the Union...
QuoteBut you did not respond to him by claiming that Alliance voters are "pretty much in the middle" when it comes to transferring. Instead, you went to the trouble of looking up and quoting Anna Lo's transfers only.
As I said at the time, your continued calls about these transfers, without any data, was getting on my wick. In that you then started posting data, rather than simple jibes, I achieved my objective.
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Funny enough, I think it's "insecurity" that drives someone to imagine that the new Alliance voters of East Belfast or North Down, who may previously have voted for the UUP, DUP or PUP, are now "ambivalent" on the Union...
Perhaps I am being naive, but I imagined that how people vote might be related to what they think. Consequently, how people vote was of interest and not just how they used to vote or what community they are from.
Oddly enough EG seems think this too,as he places great importance on the nationalist vote remaining at 42% or so, and seems to think that people from a nationalist background voting for Alliance is a sign of a change of political perspective. So if a nationalist votes for Alliance then they have changed views, whereas if a unionist starts to vote Alliance that they are as true blue as ever. The reality is likely to be that sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't, in both cases.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2011, 12:22:44 AM
QuoteBut you did not respond to him by claiming that Alliance voters are "pretty much in the middle" when it comes to transferring. Instead, you went to the trouble of looking up and quoting Anna Lo's transfers only.
As I said at the time, your continued calls about these transfers, without any data, was getting on my wick. In that you then started posting data, rather than simple jibes, I achieved my objective.
Ah right, that must have been it.
I'll file that one away alongside "Gerry Adams was never in the IRA" and "Ulick is not the (banned) poster formerly known as Donagh"...
Good one. ::)
Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2011, 12:22:44 AM
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Funny enough, I think it's "insecurity" that drives someone to imagine that the new Alliance voters of East Belfast or North Down, who may previously have voted for the UUP, DUP or PUP, are now "ambivalent" on the Union...
Perhaps I am being naive, but I imagined that how people vote might be related to what they think. Consequently, how people vote was of interest and not just how they used to vote or what community they are from.
Oddly enough EG seems think this too,as he places great importance on the nationalist vote remaining at 42% or so, and seems to think that people from a nationalist background voting for Alliance is a sign of a change of political perspective. So if a nationalist votes for Alliance then they have changed views, whereas if a unionist starts to vote Alliance that they are as true blue as ever. The reality is likely to be that sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't, in both cases.
Actually, people generally vote for their chosen candidate for a variety of reasons, some of which may be contradictory. For example, they may lean towards one Party, but prefer the individual candidate of another Party. Or they may vote for a Party which might not otherwise have got their vote, due to some particular Policy. Or they may vote against their normal inclination for tactical reasons. Or they may dislike the general policy of a given Party, but accept that they "get things done". Or they may simply vote for someone in order to keep out someone else worse.
On which point, there is evidence that Unionists are now more willing to vote outwith the usual tribal lines than Nationalists, in that the "Other" parties (i.e. non-Unionist or Nationalist) such as Alliance or Green do much better in Unionist-majority constituencies than they do in Nationalist-majority ones.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2011, 12:22:44 AMOddly enough EG seems think this too, as he places great importance on the nationalist vote remaining at 42% or so...
I place great importance on the 42% vote because if Nationalists are ever going to achieve a UI, it will only be by reaching the 50%+1 mark in a Referendum.
I see no sign whatever of them gaining the extra 8% from within the Unionist camp (quite the contrary), therefore their best bet must be to appeal to the Centre. But insofar as the Centre is represented by Alliance, I feel that even there they have little hope, since the evidence suggests that Alliance draws its support disproportionately from the Unionist community.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2011, 12:22:44 AM... and seems to think that people from a nationalist background voting for Alliance is a sign of a change of political perspective. So if a nationalist votes for Alliance then they have changed views, whereas if a unionist starts to vote Alliance that they are as true blue as ever.
I don't think I ever stated, or even implied, that. ???
All I said was that Alliance draws 8 times more support from Unionist-majority constituencies than from Nationalist-majority ones.
Therefore I speculated that when it comes to a Referendum, Alliance voters who turn out
may be more likely to vote "No" than "Yes". But even should the Alliance split be 50-50, then that would still be nowhere nearly enough to take the "Yes" vote over the 50% mark.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2011, 12:22:44 AMThe reality is likely to be that sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't, in both cases.
As I said earlier, people vote for different parties for different reasons.
If it ever came to a Referendum, I suspect new factors may come into play which don't necessarily influence their vote in a normal election. Of course, such new factors might skew the vote more towards a "Yes" than a "No".
But on the basis of the Survey below, I am very confident that these new/additional factors would actually benefit the "No" campaign to a much greater degree:
http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2009/Political_Attitudes/NIRELND2.html
Happy Days! ;)
Quote"Ulick is not the (banned) poster formerly known as Donagh"
Donagh was banned? Why?
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 24, 2011, 07:59:42 AM
Quote"Ulick is not the (banned) poster formerly known as Donagh"
Donagh was banned? Why?
Evil Genius a Mod??...Who'd have thunk it
All this debate and vote counting is irrelevant. The fact is that a UI Will happen but not as quickly as some would want and it certainly will be a different UI to the one many envisage. Also a fact is that the conditions are not right for people in either jurisdiction to vote yes for a UI. SF calls for a referendum are just bluff, they don't really want one because they know that they would lose a straight yes or no vote. When a UI is achieved it will be because the hurts of the past on all sides have been healed and because a large section of what is now the Unionist community see benefit in it, it will also be because their rights and identity are protected. Until then we are stuck with the status quo. But this does not mean as nationalists we stop working towards the goal of unity. For what its worth I would say a vote for Alliance is a vote for the union.
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Quote from: Lecale2 on May 24, 2011, 07:59:42 AM
Quote"Ulick is not the (banned) poster formerly known as Donagh"
Donagh was banned? Why?
No, he wasn't. In fact, Donagh's account is still active.
Fair enough, he mustn't have been banned, then.
Prompts the question why he was allowed to register a new Account, when it was pretty obvious "Donagh" and "Ulick" were one and the same...
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 09:40:21 AM
All this debate and vote counting is irrelevant.
"Irrelevant"?
Don't you mean "inconvenient"?
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 09:40:21 AMThe fact is that a UI Will happen but not as quickly as some would want and it certainly will be a different UI to the one many envisage.
Now where have I heard that certainty recently?
Oh yes, this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMFDFZ0nWiw
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 09:40:21 AMAlso a fact is that the conditions are not right for people in either jurisdiction to vote yes for a UI.
You sound to me like a fisherman I used to know who also invariably ascribed his lack of success to the "wrong conditions".
The "fact" is, he was a crap fisherman...
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 09:40:21 AMSF calls for a referendum are just bluff, they don't really want one because they know that they would lose a straight yes or no vote be humiliated by the outcome.
Ooooh, so close... ;)
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 09:40:21 AMWhen a UI is achieved it will be because the hurts of the past on all sides have been healed and because a large section of what is now the Unionist community see benefit in it, it will also be because their rights and identity are protected.
You're confusing cause and effect. (As well as falling into the old "When", not "If" trap)
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 09:40:21 AMUntil then we are stuck with the status quo.
Actually, it was Huey Lewis, not Status Quo (or "Same Cheese, Different Cheesemaker"):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8b0IKQxx2k
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 09:40:21 AMBut this does not mean as nationalists we stop working towards the goal of unity.
"God Loves a Trier".
It's just a shame He doesn't have a Vote...
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 09:40:21 AMFor what its worth I would say a vote for Alliance is a vote for the union.
It's worth about 5% of the total, I'd guess. ;)
EG if you can definitively discount what I have said, and note there is no time frame, all I will say is look at the the Berlin Wall, Soviet Union, the British Empire. Time changes everything. The biggest bar to unity in the last 30 years was IRA violence that's gone along with Unionist Hegemony.
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Quote from: Ulick on May 20, 2011, 11:56:11 PM
It's a sure sign of insecurity that our unionist brothers are now so desperate to tell us that Alliance are unionist, despite the official AP line and the great efforts of their members to convince us that they're not. At the end of the day it doesn't matter a jot. As their transfers show, they are soft on the national question and open to persuasion. Given that the "unionist majority" is now a thing of the past and the AP now hold the balance in our current plurality, I suppose they have reason to be insecure. The northern state is inevitably going the same way as Belfast. It took only 14 years since the unionists lost their majority until the nationalists overtook them on the council. Factor in the soft AP vote and the NI state has about 15-20 years left, max.
Funny enough, I think it's "insecurity" that drives someone to imagine that the new Alliance voters of East Belfast or North Down, who may previously have voted for the UUP, DUP or PUP, are now "ambivalent" on the Union...
I'd bet a pound to a penny that the Alliance Strangford MLA from Kircubbin, Kieran McCarthy's majority of votes would be attributed to people who'd consider themselves nationalist.
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 11:27:34 AM
EG if you can definitively discount what I have said, and note there is no time frame, all I will say is look at the the Berlin Wall, Soviet Union, the British Empire. Time changes everything.
Nowhere have I ever claimed that there will never be a UI (though I really can't see any sign in my lifetime).
Rather, I am challenging the certainty that there
will be one.
A UI is not the "Default Setting"; in fact, if History tells us anything, it is that nothing is "inevitable", but anything is possible.
And in the meantime, I take (a certain childish) pleasure in observing the wriggling and backtracking of the "Class of 2016", who either haven't cottoned on, or won't admit, to the increasing likelihood that just like Gerry Adams Sr, Joe Cahill and Brian Keenan etc before them, they, too, will die long before their hopes...
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 24, 2011, 11:27:34 AMThe biggest bar to unity in the last 30 years was IRA violence that's gone along with Unionist Hegemony.
The most immediate, certainly, and also the most provocative (no pun intended).
But I am increasingly inclined to believe that just because that particular barrier to Unity has been removed, it doesn't mean that people must now inevitably walk through the gap.
On the contrary, the end of The Troubles offers us all* the opportunity to rebuild a new NI, at peace with itself, which is broadly acceptable to the majority of its people, whether nominally "Unionist" or "Nationalist".
* - I say "all", since even SF have shown they may be drawn into helping administer British Rule in Ireland ;)