A big test ahead for a lot of Mayos new faces next weekend. As Southsider mentioned it will be interesting to see how Horan lines out against Kerry's danger men.
Will the Gooch be back after that minor surgery on his eye??
Gooch wont be back for a few weeks, gives a chance for some of the new blood to fit in but after losing to the Langers we need to get a win under our belt so I'd expect a strong Kerry line from those available.
I can t see too many changes to Mayo from Down match. I think the backs will be the same. I think he will stick with Cafferkey at 6 with Higgins being the only real alternative. But I think he ll be reluctant to take Higgin's pace out of the fb line. Gardiner and Chris Barrett appear to be the ones pressing the selected 6 the last day at this stage. Howley if fit may come into the reckoning too. Midfield will be McGar (presuming injury last night was only minor) and Gibbons with Parsons held in reserve. The forwards will have to be different because of the unfortunate injury to Freeman. Although I was only happy with Freeman, Dillon and the Everpresent One v Down I think the others may start again. If Barry Moran was fit he might come in at 14. If not its hard to know. It s hard to see a shape on that forward line to be honest. He might use Andy at 11 and play Campbell at 10 and leave O Sé at 14.
Two or three changes at most I'd say. Everyone did enough the last day against Down to get another go in the first 15. Won't judge AOS on one game and would definitely give him another start.
I'd say Kilcoyne might come in to the forwards, maybe Gardiner into the backs - the rest as is.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 14, 2011, 10:05:05 PM
Two or three changes at most I'd say. Everyone did enough the last day against Down to get another go in the first 15. Won't judge AOS on one game and would definitely give him another start.
I'd say Kilcoyne might come in to the forwards, maybe Gardiner into the backs - the rest as is.
Kilcoyne for? Gardiner for? I wouldn t be in favour of bringing in Gardiner. He s gettin loads of football and he looks in probably the best shape ever and we know what he can do. I think Feeney and Cuniffe would benefit more from starting. Saying that he could rest McLoughlin and play Gardiner there but the balance wouldn t be as good. He might start Kilcoyne at 14. Form so far mixed. Goin alone a lot which will have annoyed Horan but as some other posters have pointed out, if he can do what he did in Summer 09, he is going to come into it.
From what I saw if Mayo can play with their tails up like they did against us I think you have a serious chance of beating Kerry. I was not impressed at all with the intensity of the cork/Kerry game. I think Mayo/Down had a far higher level the night before. I think Kerry could be the surprise big team to struggle this year. They didn't do great last year although Tyrone was the surprise strugglers. I think Kerry could be that team this year. They are in transition after winning 3 titles and will use the league to try to discover a championship side which means they will be vulnerable.
A big loss to Mayo for the year...
MAYO star Conor Mortimer is set to miss the 2011 season after undergoing major knee surgery in Dublin.
Renowned surgeon Ray Moran performed an anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction procedure on the attacker.
Mortimer said: "The recovery period is anything from five to nine months. It's swollen up like a balloon at the moment and it will be a couple of months before that's fully gone down. I'll be looking to get back for the Mayo club championship — that's my priority at the moment.
"If Mayo get as far as the All-Ireland quarters there's a chance but I wouldn't be 100% positive about being ready. The main thing is the knee will be 100% for the first time in seven years."
Quote from: moysider on February 14, 2011, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 14, 2011, 10:05:05 PM
Two or three changes at most I'd say. Everyone did enough the last day against Down to get another go in the first 15. Won't judge AOS on one game and would definitely give him another start.
I'd say Kilcoyne might come in to the forwards, maybe Gardiner into the backs - the rest as is.
Kilcoyne for? Gardiner for? I wouldn t be in favour of bringing in Gardiner. He s gettin loads of football and he looks in probably the best shape ever and we know what he can do. I think Feeney and Cuniffe would benefit more from starting. Saying that he could rest McLoughlin and play Gardiner there but the balance wouldn t be as good. He might start Kilcoyne at 14. Form so far mixed. Goin alone a lot which will have annoyed Horan but as some other posters have pointed out, if he can do what he did in Summer 09, he is going to come into it.
i think the bench options may change - killeen will be there i think just purely to have an option if donaghy becomes too prominent in the air.
Varley out for a few weeks so that is at least 2 changes to the forwards from Down game.
Any reason why this game & some others are down for 2.45 throw ins?
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/211-01.html
Quote from: moysider on February 14, 2011, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 14, 2011, 10:05:05 PM
Two or three changes at most I'd say. Everyone did enough the last day against Down to get another go in the first 15. Won't judge AOS on one game and would definitely give him another start.
I'd say Kilcoyne might come in to the forwards, maybe Gardiner into the backs - the rest as is.
Kilcoyne for? Gardiner for? I wouldn t be in favour of bringing in Gardiner. He s gettin loads of football and he looks in probably the best shape ever and we know what he can do. I think Feeney and Cuniffe would benefit more from starting. Saying that he could rest McLoughlin and play Gardiner there but the balance wouldn t be as good. He might start Kilcoyne at 14. Form so far mixed. Goin alone a lot which will have annoyed Horan but as some other posters have pointed out, if he can do what he did in Summer 09, he is going to come into it.
Gardiner for Cafferkey in effect, but not a direct switch. I'd like to see Richie Feeney in the full back line so I'd do a bit of a rejig. See how a full back line would do against Kerry without Higgins in it.
Kilcoyne for Varley at this stage but obviously we need to replace Freeman as well. I'd maybe give Campbell a chance.
At this stage I'd go
O'Malley
Feeney Hallinan Cunniffe
Gardiner Higgins McLoughlin
Gibbons McGarrity
Campbell Dillon Moran
Kilcoyne O'Shea Ronaldson
Something like that anyway...did I hear that the actual team will be announced tonight?
Quote from: ross4life on February 15, 2011, 04:49:59 PM
Any reason why this game & some others are down for 2.45 throw ins?
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/211-01.html
I think that's just Errortel playing up again - GAA site gives it as 2.30.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 15, 2011, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 14, 2011, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 14, 2011, 10:05:05 PM
Two or three changes at most I'd say. Everyone did enough the last day against Down to get another go in the first 15. Won't judge AOS on one game and would definitely give him another start.
I'd say Kilcoyne might come in to the forwards, maybe Gardiner into the backs - the rest as is.
Kilcoyne for? Gardiner for? I wouldn t be in favour of bringing in Gardiner. He s gettin loads of football and he looks in probably the best shape ever and we know what he can do. I think Feeney and Cuniffe would benefit more from starting. Saying that he could rest McLoughlin and play Gardiner there but the balance wouldn t be as good. He might start Kilcoyne at 14. Form so far mixed. Goin alone a lot which will have annoyed Horan but as some other posters have pointed out, if he can do what he did in Summer 09, he is going to come into it.
Gardiner for Cafferkey in effect, but not a direct switch. I'd like to see Richie Feeney in the full back line so I'd do a bit of a rejig. See how a full back line would do against Kerry without Higgins in it.
Kilcoyne for Varley at this stage but obviously we need to replace Freeman as well. I'd maybe give Campbell a chance.
At this stage I'd go
O'Malley
Feeney Hallinan Cunniffe
Gardiner Higgins McLoughlin
Gibbons McGarrity
Campbell Dillon Moran
Kilcoyne O'Shea Ronaldson
Something like that anyway...did I hear that the actual team will be announced tonight?
I think it was The Mayo News that said the team was expected to be named after training last night.
Haven't seen or heard anything on it since - nothing on www.mayogaa.com either.
Anyone hear any word?
No official team announced yet. Probs tonight. Was strong rumours on Twitter that Andy Moran would be captain. Which would mean no Dillon I presume?
I'd like to see something like this
Hennelly
R Feeney C Hallinan K McLoughlin
T Cunniffe G Cafferkey K Higgins
R McGarrity J Gibbons
A Campbell A Moran C Freeman
M Ronaldson A Kilcoyne C O'Connor
Feeney is a better corner-man than out the wing, same I think about McLoughlin. Higgins probably better there too but lets see how he gets on on the wing. Cunniffe is nothing but a wing-back. Although none of that half-back line can kick the ball too well but we'll see.
I'm picking the forward line presuming Dillon doesn't play. If he does, take out one of the wing men. I've left Aidan O'Shea out as well, let him find his form first. And I don't think anyone is being dropped yet because Horan is still trying things. I'd give Hennelly the nod in goal too. Better keeper than Kenny O'Malley imho.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 16, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
No official team announced yet. Probs tonight. Was strong rumours on Twitter that Andy Moran would be captain. Which would mean no Dillon I presume?
I'd like to see something like this
Hennelly
R Feeney C Hallinan K McLoughlin
T Cunniffe G Cafferkey K Higgins
R McGarrity J Gibbons
A Campbell A Moran C Freeman
M Ronaldson A Kilcoyne C O'Connor
Feeney is a better corner-man than out the wing, same I think about McLoughlin. Higgins probably better there too but lets see how he gets on on the wing. Cunniffe is nothing but a wing-back. Although none of that half-back line can kick the ball too well but we'll see.
I'm picking the forward line presuming Dillon doesn't play. If he does, take out one of the wing men. I've left Aidan O'Shea out as well, let him find his form first. And I don't think anyone is being dropped yet because Horan is still trying things. I'd give Hennelly the nod in goal too. Better keeper than Kenny O'Malley imho.
would feeney or killeen be a better full back option. hallinan been primarily a corner back for mayo this year albeit lining out at no. 3 v down. donaghy a full forward though with physical and aerial attributes totally different to those encountered against down.
This will be interesting. Everyone knows what happens when Mayo meet a Kerry team or play in Croke park.
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Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 16, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
No official team announced yet. Probs tonight. Was strong rumours on Twitter that Andy Moran would be captain. Which would mean no Dillon I presume?
I'd like to see something like this
Hennelly
R Feeney C Hallinan K McLoughlin
T Cunniffe G Cafferkey K Higgins
R McGarrity J Gibbons
A Campbell A Moran C Freeman
M Ronaldson A Kilcoyne C O'Connor
Feeney is a better corner-man than out the wing, same I think about McLoughlin. Higgins probably better there too but lets see how he gets on on the wing. Cunniffe is nothing but a wing-back. Although none of that half-back line can kick the ball too well but we'll see.
I'm picking the forward line presuming Dillon doesn't play. If he does, take out one of the wing men. I've left Aidan O'Shea out as well, let him find his form first. And I don't think anyone is being dropped yet because Horan is still trying things. I'd give Hennelly the nod in goal too. Better keeper than Kenny O'Malley imho.
I saw that rumour too, I guess he is injured but I didnt hear anything.
Id like to see Hennelly between the sticks too. He handled a few high balls well against NUIG and looked confident. His kickouts may not be as accurate but that could have been just on the night.
Regarding the team, I think Feeney did too well at wing back to be moved out of there against Down so I would leave him. Also Cunniffe, Barrett and Higgins have been doing Ok in the corners. I think I would also give Aidan O Shea a go at Centre Forward for a change and switch him inside now and again. Gardnier was one of the only ones who stood out for NUIG the last night. I dont think Freeman is near the pace of it yet.
Hennelly
T Cunniffe, C Hallinan, K Higgins
P Gardnier, G Cafferkey, R Feeney
R McGarrity, J Gibbons
A Campbell, Aidan O Shea, Andy Moran
M Ronaldson, A Kilcoyne, C O'Connor
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 16, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
No official team announced yet. Probs tonight. Was strong rumours on Twitter that Andy Moran would be captain. Which would mean no Dillon I presume?
I thought Andy Moran has been selected as the Captain for 2011? anyways would be silly to drop Dillion one of your most experienced & best forwards.
pstg,
you really have a sore spot with Mayo. what county are you from? i see westport on your sidebar thing but cannot see how this fits.
Are the Kerry lads bringing their buckets & spades?
Quote from: mannix on February 16, 2011, 05:31:37 PM
pstg,
you really have a sore spot with Mayo. what county are you from? i see westport on your sidebar thing but cannot see how this fits.
He let it slip when he described St. Jarlath's are 'us' recently.
Na nGaillimhí aren't exactly renowned for their performances against the Kerrymen either are they?
Quote from: muppet on February 16, 2011, 06:43:38 PM
Quote from: mannix on February 16, 2011, 05:31:37 PM
pstg,
you really have a sore spot with Mayo. what county are you from? i see westport on your sidebar thing but cannot see how this fits.
Na nGaillimhí aren't exactly renowned for their performances against the Kerrymen either are they?
Up to recently enough we were actually a bit of a bogey team for Kerry. Having beaten them in 3 All-Ireland finals and 3 semi-finals.
Since 84 though they've won 3 of the last 4 meetings in the championship including the 2000 final replay.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on February 16, 2011, 04:06:18 PM
This will be interesting. Everyone knows what happens when Mayo meet a Kerry team or play in Croke park.
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Yes well we beat them in the league last year so it only applies in croke Park.
Quote from: muppet on February 16, 2011, 06:43:38 PM
Quote from: mannix on February 16, 2011, 05:31:37 PM
pstg,
you really have a sore spot with Mayo. what county are you from? i see westport on your sidebar thing but cannot see how this fits.
He let it slip when he described St. Jarlath's are 'us' recently.
Na nGaillimhí aren't exactly renowned for their performances against the Kerrymen either are they?
St Jarlaths was a boarding school ::) It took students from all over the country. It being my Alma mater I will always refer to it as "us" I have some stories about the Mayo lads and there first introduction to a shower.
Do tell, they must be worth hearing if you hate mayo that much. Mayo were skinned alive by Kerry twice recently in croke park, do we hate Kerry people? I do not think we do, I don,t know anyone that does, we respect them and try to be like them. You should do the same with mayo teams and people. The man that will be in charge of your taxes and healthcare will soon be a mayoman.
How does that grab you?
Quote from: mannix on February 16, 2011, 08:20:36 PM
Do tell, they must be worth hearing if you hate mayo that much. Mayo were skinned alive by Kerry twice recently in croke park, do we hate Kerry people? I do not think we do, I don,t know anyone that does, we respect them and try to be like them. You should do the same with mayo teams and people. The man that will be in charge of your taxes and healthcare will soon be a mayoman.
How does that grab you?
look this is a serious thread. Do not ruin it with your constant trolling please. Mayo God help us will soon turn into Ireland god help us with Inda Kinny in charge.
I am not sure what "trolling" is so I will leave it with you, a mayo man in charge could be no worse than biffo,lenihan and bertie ahern. Are you under pressure because of them?
mannix etc stop replying to that vvanker, he is just looking for attention and we are rising to it.
Going back to topic, I hear the team won't be announced until after the first round of the sigerson so we will see have we any injurys after that.
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 16, 2011, 04:09:40 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 16, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
No official team announced yet. Probs tonight. Was strong rumours on Twitter that Andy Moran would be captain. Which would mean no Dillon I presume?
I'd like to see something like this
Hennelly
R Feeney C Hallinan K McLoughlin
T Cunniffe G Cafferkey K Higgins
R McGarrity J Gibbons
A Campbell A Moran C Freeman
M Ronaldson A Kilcoyne C O'Connor
Feeney is a better corner-man than out the wing, same I think about McLoughlin. Higgins probably better there too but lets see how he gets on on the wing. Cunniffe is nothing but a wing-back. Although none of that half-back line can kick the ball too well but we'll see.
I'm picking the forward line presuming Dillon doesn't play. If he does, take out one of the wing men. I've left Aidan O'Shea out as well, let him find his form first. And I don't think anyone is being dropped yet because Horan is still trying things. I'd give Hennelly the nod in goal too. Better keeper than Kenny O'Malley imho.
I saw that rumour too, I guess he is injured but I didnt hear anything.
Id like to see Hennelly between the sticks too. He handled a few high balls well against NUIG and looked confident. His kickouts may not be as accurate but that could have been just on the night.
Regarding the team, I think Feeney did too well at wing back to be moved out of there against Down so I would leave him. Also Cunniffe, Barrett and Higgins have been doing Ok in the corners. I think I would also give Aidan O Shea a go at Centre Forward for a change and switch him inside now and again. Gardnier was one of the only ones who stood out for NUIG the last night. I dont think Freeman is near the pace of it yet.
Hennelly
T Cunniffe, C Hallinan, K Higgins
P Gardnier, G Cafferkey, R Feeney
R McGarrity, J Gibbons
A Campbell, Aidan O Shea, Andy Moran
M Ronaldson, A Kilcoyne, C O'Connor
Is Dillon injured? A round of Sigerson on Thursday too. I would go along with most of those 2 teams with a preference fpr Sniper's in a couple of positions.
One thing that would concern me is that a Mayo team without Dillon, McLoughlin and Alan Freeman would be losing an awful lot of class. Possibly an arguement for 3 of top 5 quality we have available to us. All 3 were crucial in recovery v Down.
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 16, 2011, 10:30:02 PM
mannix etc stop replying to that vvanker, he is just looking for attention and we are rising to it.
Going back to topic, I hear the team won't be announced until after the first round of the sigerson so we will see have we any injurys after that.
When I see your posts I have to remind myself.
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Quote from: the old vet on February 17, 2011, 01:58:25 AM
could anyone tell me the laois team for sunday.
wrong thread. Google is your friend ;)
From Mayo GAA
Mayo Team to face Kerry on Sunday is as follows:
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Ger Cafferkey, 4) Chris Barrett,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Trevor Howley, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Quote from: western exile on February 17, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
From Mayo GAA
Mayo Team to face Kerry on Sunday is as follows:
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Ger Cafferkey, 4) Chris Barrett,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Trevor Howley, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Interesting. Would have preferred to see Cafferkey at 6 and don't consider either Barrett or Cunniffe to be corner-backs, regardless of how they might have played against NUIG. No need to see Peadar either but then I guess he hasn't played yet this year for Mayo from the start. Half-forward line is good, so too Killer and Ronnie inside. Aidan at 13? Not sure. That midfield could be hard to shift.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 17, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 17, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
From Mayo GAA
Mayo Team to face Kerry on Sunday is as follows:
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Ger Cafferkey, 4) Chris Barrett,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Trevor Howley, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Interesting. Would have preferred to see Cafferkey at 6 and don't consider either Barrett or Cunniffe to be corner-backs, regardless of how they might have played against NUIG. No need to see Peadar either but then I guess he hasn't played yet this year for Mayo from the start. Half-forward line is good, so too Killer and Ronnie inside. Aidan at 13? Not sure. That midfield could be hard to shift.
Mixed views on that team. Wouldn't be mad on having Cunniffe and Barrett as corner backs either. Would have liked to see Cafferkey again at CHB - he was loose in the first half v Down, but had good second half.
Presume O'Shea will move out the field a bit and leave the 2 quick lads inside. Or maybe swap with Kilcoyne and play FF.
We don't really seem to be solving the main problem area of the full back line, but it's only the 2nd game of the league so will wait and see what happens. Hopefully the gameplan and coaching will help to improve this area as much as fresh faces would.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 17, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 17, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
From Mayo GAA
Mayo Team to face Kerry on Sunday is as follows:
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Ger Cafferkey, 4) Chris Barrett,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Trevor Howley, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Interesting. Would have preferred to see Cafferkey at 6 and don't consider either Barrett or Cunniffe to be corner-backs, regardless of how they might have played against NUIG. No need to see Peadar either but then I guess he hasn't played yet this year for Mayo from the start. Half-forward line is good, so too Killer and Ronnie inside. Aidan at 13? Not sure. That midfield could be hard to shift.
Cafferkey Vs Donaghy
Howley Vs Darran O'Sullivan(?)
Possibly the Gooch Vs Barrett or Cunniffe
Could be a disaster but ill hold off judgement.
Keith Higgins is going to Oz on Saturday and is gone for 3 weeks, and missing for 3 NFL games. - big call.
Small full back line. Big tests ahead at the weekend.
Quote from: western exile on February 17, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
From Mayo GAA
Mayo Team to face Kerry on Sunday is as follows:
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Ger Cafferkey, 4) Chris Barrett,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Trevor Howley, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
That's pretty close to the championship team i would say.
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 17, 2011, 05:05:46 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 17, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 17, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
From Mayo GAA
Mayo Team to face Kerry on Sunday is as follows:
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Ger Cafferkey, 4) Chris Barrett,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Trevor Howley, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Interesting. Would have preferred to see Cafferkey at 6 and don't consider either Barrett or Cunniffe to be corner-backs, regardless of how they might have played against NUIG. No need to see Peadar either but then I guess he hasn't played yet this year for Mayo from the start. Half-forward line is good, so too Killer and Ronnie inside. Aidan at 13? Not sure. That midfield could be hard to shift.
Cafferkey Vs Donaghy
Howley Vs Darran O'Sullivan(?)
Possibly the Gooch Vs Barrett or Cunniffe
Could be a disaster but ill hold off judgement.
Keith Higgins is going to Oz on Saturday and is gone for 3 weeks, and missing for 3 NFL games. - big call.
Small full back line. Big tests ahead at the weekend.
Of those possible defensive match-ups, I believe Chris Barrett did well on the Gooch in Kerry a couple of years ago. Pity then that the Gooch is out with an eye injury! I'd worry seriously about the spine of that defence against Donaghy at 14 and either of the D O'Sullivans at 11. Have we anyone for Donaghy though. Perhaps Killeen but a roasting now would finish him in my opinion.
And ross4life, maybe it is but it is very hard to know how we'll line out yet. A long way off knowing our best fifteen.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 17, 2011, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 17, 2011, 05:05:46 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 17, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 17, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
From Mayo GAA
Mayo Team to face Kerry on Sunday is as follows:
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Ger Cafferkey, 4) Chris Barrett,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Trevor Howley, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Interesting. Would have preferred to see Cafferkey at 6 and don't consider either Barrett or Cunniffe to be corner-backs, regardless of how they might have played against NUIG. No need to see Peadar either but then I guess he hasn't played yet this year for Mayo from the start. Half-forward line is good, so too Killer and Ronnie inside. Aidan at 13? Not sure. That midfield could be hard to shift.
Cafferkey Vs Donaghy
Howley Vs Darran O'Sullivan(?)
Possibly the Gooch Vs Barrett or Cunniffe
Could be a disaster but ill hold off judgement.
Keith Higgins is going to Oz on Saturday and is gone for 3 weeks, and missing for 3 NFL games. - big call.
Small full back line. Big tests ahead at the weekend.
Of those possible defensive match-ups, I believe Chris Barrett did well on the Gooch in Kerry a couple of years ago. Pity then that the Gooch is out with an eye injury! I'd worry seriously about the spine of that defence against Donaghy at 14 and either of the D O'Sullivans at 11. Have we anyone for Donaghy though. Perhaps Killeen but a roasting now would finish him in my opinion.
And ross4life, maybe it is but it is very hard to know how we'll line out yet. A long way off knowing our best fifteen.
Ya it still might be experimental, but I wouldnt experiment against Kerry if you know what I mean.
I would send out my strongest possible 15, as if you dont you could be exposed.
Regarding Donaughy, I would have chosen Ger Cafferkey to play CB and take D O Sullivan, follow him everywhere and would have added Alan Feeney or Cathal Hallinan to the full back line for some height at least. I dont really trust Cafferkey under a high ball as much although he is a great defender and I would like to have seen more of him at CB from what the North Mayo and Ballina lads rave about.
Regarding Howley? He is a bit small at that level for centerback at that level. I think the NFL final against Cork last year and the Meath championship game the year before that drove that point home.
I hope im wrong in all of that.
Gooch is available for selection, expect Eoin Brosnan at 6, Killian Young back, No Declan O Sullivan
Quote from: ross4life on February 17, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 17, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
From Mayo GAA
Mayo Team to face Kerry on Sunday is as follows:
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Ger Cafferkey, 4) Chris Barrett,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Trevor Howley, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
That's pretty close to the championship team i would say.
I hope not.
I know we are starting with a clean slate this year and all that, but surely some lessons have to be learned from the previous management reign? One being that, decent enough defender though he is, Howley is not the answer at CHB. I'm really surprised we're trying him out there yet again.
Glad to see Barrett in, I'd like him to get a run of games and see if he is good enough, if he is we might be able to move Higgins out to the half back line. Would have liked to have seen Richie Feeney in the other corner.
I like the look of the team from 8-15 and except for Alan Freeman I think that could be close to our summertime midfield, half forward and full forward line. I hope AOS has a good game and proves a few people wrong.
The Kerry Senior Football team V Mayo Sunday 20th February 2011
1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin) 2. Pádraig Reidy (Scartaglin) 3. Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 4. Shane Enright (Tarbert)
5. Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore) 6. Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes) 7. Jonathan Lyne (Legion)
8. Seamus Scanlon (Currow) 9. David Moran (Kerins O'Rahilly's)
10. Gary O'Driscoll (Skellig Rangers) 11. Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 12. Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane)
13. Colm Cooper (Captain)Dr. Crokes 14. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) 15. David Geaney (An Daingean)
16. Tomás Mac a t'Saoir (An Ghaeltacht) 17. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 18. Paul Geaney (An Daingean)
19. Killian Young (Renard) 20. Kieran O'Leary (Dr. Crokes) 21. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers)
22. Brian Maguire (Listowel Emmetts) 23. Adrian O'Connell (St Michael's Foilmore)
24. Daithí Casey Dr. Crokes 25. Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary's)
Bainisteóir: Jack O'Connor (Piarsaigh Na Dromada)
Was it last year Brosnan left the Kerry panel around same time as Mike Frank ? Was he asked back or wanted back ??
So many questions :)
Horan has enough full back options on the bench anyways with feeney, hallinan and killeen there. obviously no set league panel yet, rotation policy amongst the challengers for positions on the panel seems to be the way for now.
Quote from: southsider on February 17, 2011, 09:11:25 PM
Horan has enough full back options on the bench anyways with feeney, hallinan and killeen there. obviously no set league panel yet, rotation policy amongst the challengers for positions on the panel seems to be the way for now.
Could it be that he thinks Caff is still the best option for 3? Also Higgins missing may have spooked the selectors into conservatism. That s the problem. We re inclined to go back to what we know, the tried and tested, even though the test results may have been questionable in the past. Whatever about Donaghy and Gooch on Sunday, I m disappointed Caff has not been left to grow into the 6 during the league. Thought he was very good there against Down once the whole half back line started to push up on their men. And one track-back and interception he did saved a certain goal that would have buried us. I d have that before somebody spraying passes about. Trevor Howley should be given the opportunity to make a wing position his own. Although I would absolve Howley from a lot of criticism aimed at him last few years. Attacking wingbacks left him dreadfully exposed at times, with silly lurches forward and then turn the ball over. What was he supposed to do ? Not even a McGeaney, Gormley or a Moynihan would cope with that exposure. At the end of the day his size is a problem. His stopping power is all about the hit. It s a risky strategy. Caff has the size and long arms to wrap runners up.
Long term I dont think Andy is an 11.
Looking forward to the game on Sunday. The lack of strength in our black line is a concern and I for one would like to see a few more big gossurs in the back line. The ever present one will surely play in goal and in the full back line before the league is over :)
Against Down our half back line were far too loose on their men, I would like to see them man marking rather than watching space......too much like Liverpools zone defence for my liking.....didn't do them much good ;D ;D
I am not sure what Howleys best position is, but under O'Mahony he seemed to be terrified to leave the 45 line and as a result he ended up marking no one and the man he was supposed to be marking ran riot. Hes a great player going forward so I would like to see him attacking much more with other covering off when he does go forward. That said, I believe that James H is fairly conservative so I expect to see him stuck inside his own 45 for the game.
The entry fee is worth it, if only to see the Gooch.........the Messi of Gaelic football.
Eoin Brosnan at Number 6 ???, not many saw that coming but heard he was back in training so its worth a try , has always been a fine footballer, plenty of speed, skill and a good fielder too but I always had a bit of a problem with his workrate but hopefully he will prove me wrong, he opted out in 2009 after making a brief comebeck for the championship, but good to see he has the hunger back to give it possibly one last fling in the Kerry geansai, and with all the missing backs we have its a brave and hopefully worthwhile move by Jack O'C.
Great to see the Gooch back too , thankfully his eye injury is not as serious as first thought, and he leads the ranks for the first time too.
David Geaney gets another chance after some great scoring bursts to date, will be good to see how himself and Master Gooch work out together for the first time.
And there is a great sprinkling of youth in there too with lads given a chance after the McGrath Cup and the recent good performance against Cork.
Killian Young and Brian Sheehan return to the panel too, Young from injury nad Sheehan from a successfull club stint so good news all round.
A must win game all the same for us after 1 loss so it will make for an interesting game this weekend.
Quote from: saffronandblue on February 17, 2011, 10:16:58 PM
Looking forward to the game on Sunday. The lack of strength in our black line is a concern and I for one would like to see a few more big gossurs in the back line. The ever present one will surely play in goal and in the full back line before the league is over :)
Against Down our half back line were far too loose on their men, I would like to see them man marking rather than watching space......too much like Liverpools zone defence for my liking.....didn't do them much good ;D ;D
I am not sure what Howleys best position is, but under O'Mahony he seemed to be terrified to leave the 45 line and as a result he ended up marking no one and the man he was supposed to be marking ran riot. Hes a great player going forward so I would like to see him attacking much more with other covering off when he does go forward. That said, I believe that James H is fairly conservative so I expect to see him stuck inside his own 45 for the game.
The entry fee is worth it, if only to see the Gooch.........the Messi of Gaelic football.
Exactly. He was terrified because his 2 wing men had already disappeared over the horizon and we weren't exactly playin cover or anything. It ll be interesting to see what is put in place for Sunday. Three half backs that are best going forward, although in fairness McLoughlin is a top marker if he is asked to do that. Horan has not been conservative so far. He is not likely to show his hand too early either and at this stage he is right to play a flat 15 I think. So in the unlikely event that he will play a forward deep, Howley will have to play behind the ball for the most part. I expect us to do well in midfield against that pairing from Kerry. But I m not sure how we are set up to exploit that possibility. I m not sure that forward line inside will hold onto ball. If we run the ball from the back we could get murdered on the counter. A lot of concern about the backs but it is at the other end we need to be concerned about more imo.
I wonder will this time actually line out like this? I'd have my doubts. I reckon we could see late changes. Also, in a horses for courses approach, we should put Dillon into chf to expose Brosnan playing in a new position and leave Andy on the wing. Kerry seem to have a small full-back line so maybe AOS can make hay off them - maybe that's why he's selected in there.
I can see what guys mean about Trevor Howley being left exposed at six before but the reality is that when he is not able to keep quiet an inmobile player like Joe Sheridan in check, he's gonna be in trouble against most centre-half forwards. I agree with Moysider, Ger Caff was definitely worth persisting with for the short-term at 6 to see how he did. Hopefully it is just a short term measure to get through the Kerry game without them destroying all progress. Hopefully.
Great, we have a number three who is better at number 6 according to moysider who is a Ballina man himself and a number 6 who rummages far better when he's out the field. Donaghy and Darran O'Sullivan could have a field day. However, I'm willing to give Horan the benefit of the doubt here as we are starting a clean slate. I'm happy that Aiden Campbell is starting, he had massive potential, lets see has he still got what it takes to be a star at inter-county level after the fall out with JOM. Have to say I'm happy enough with the midfield up, but the defence is worrying looking, but it's still only February yet.
Mayo v Fingal is on at 1pm for those who want to get in early on Sunday.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 18, 2011, 08:47:21 PM
Great, we have a number three who is better at number 6 according to moysider who is a Ballina man himself and a number 6 who rummages far better when he's out the field. Donaghy and Darran O'Sullivan could have a field day. However, I'm willing to give Horan the benefit of the doubt here as we are starting a clean slate. I'm happy that Aiden Campbell is starting, he had massive potential, lets see has he still got what it takes to be a star at inter-county level after the fall out with JOM. Have to say I'm happy enough with the midfield up, but the defence is worrying looking, but it's still only February yet.
Mayo v Fingal is on at 1pm for those who want to get in early on Sunday.
You're not thinking of Declan? Darren is fast and a good ball carrier but he is not the match- the brother is.
Quote from: muppet on February 18, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 18, 2011, 08:47:21 PM
Great, we have a number three who is better at number 6 according to moysider who is a Ballina man himself and a number 6 who rummages far better when he's out the field. Donaghy and Darran O'Sullivan could have a field day. However, I'm willing to give Horan the benefit of the doubt here as we are starting a clean slate. I'm happy that Aiden Campbell is starting, he had massive potential, lets see has he still got what it takes to be a star at inter-county level after the fall out with JOM. Have to say I'm happy enough with the midfield up, but the defence is worrying looking, but it's still only February yet.
Mayo v Fingal is on at 1pm for those who want to get in early on Sunday.
You're not thinking of Declan? Darren is fast and a good ball carrier but he is not the match- the brother is.
I know he's fast and I hope Howley can keep with him. If not there could be trouble ahead. But let's face the music and dance (see how things go) first of all... :P
QuoteYou're not thinking of Declan? Darren is fast and a good ball carrier but he is not the match- the brother is.
Not Brothers not even from the same Parish or division
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 19, 2011, 12:26:15 PM
QuoteYou're not thinking of Declan? Darren is fast and a good ball carrier but he is not the match- the brother is.
Not Brothers not even from the same Parish or division
Apologies, don't know where I got that.
Must say fair play to the Kerry boys for putting up comprehensive details of their players on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_O'Sullivan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_O'Sullivan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darran_O'Sullivan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darran_O'Sullivan)
Compared with probably our best known of recent times:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciarán_McDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciar%C3%A1n_McDonald)
don't think it will... as a solid performance should be given by the lads but i hope tomorrow doesn't end in disaster for us. Kerry tails will be up big time after losing to Cork the first day out
I'm hearing of changes to the Mayo team. Howley injured and an all Mitchels full-back line - Feeney x 2 and Cunniffe. Could be more changes too.
Howley and Barrett out for Mayo, both Feeneys in. So we will probably line up as
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Alan Feeney, 4) Richie Feeney,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Ger Cafferkey, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 20, 2011, 02:16:13 PM
Howley and Barrett out for Mayo, both Feeneys in. So we will probably line up as
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Alan Feeney, 4) Richie Feeney,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Ger Cafferkey, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Good, I'd much prefer to see how that defence gets on, rather than the defence named earlier in the week - we know what that group can and can't do.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 20, 2011, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 20, 2011, 02:16:13 PM
Howley and Barrett out for Mayo, both Feeneys in. So we will probably line up as
1) Robert Hennelly,
2) Tom Cunniffe, 3) Alan Feeney, 4) Richie Feeney,
5) Peadar Gardiner, 6) Ger Cafferkey, 7) Kevin McLoughlin,
8 ) Jason Gibbins, 9) Ronan McGarrity,
10) Aidan Campbell, 11) Andy Moran, 12) Alan Dillon,
13) Aidan O'Shea, 14) Aidan Kilcoyne, 15) Mark Ronaldson
Good, I'd much prefer to see how that defence gets on, rather than the defence named earlier in the week - we know what that group can and can't do.
Donaghy and co will be some test for the Feeneys and Cunniffe.
Mayo 0-0 Kerry 0-1
Kerry seem to have most of the possession but Mayo defence coping ok with them so far.
Cunniffe on Gooch. Think it's Richie Feeney on Donaghy.
Mayo 0-0 Kerry 0-2
Kerry in for a goal but Darren O'Sullivan put it over instead.
Kerry winning the breaks around midfield and half back line according to Mike Finnerty.
It's Alan Feeney on Donaghy, Richie on Geaney.
Free in for Mayo, Kilcoyne sends it wide
Donaghy fouled by R Feeney, Kerry 0-3, Mayo no score.
McGarrity tries one from way out, sends it wide.
Billy Fitz reckons it's 80% possession for Kerry.
Hennelly saves from Geaney. Mayo battling to stay in the game.
McGarrity kicks Mayo's opener after 19 minutes
Mayo 0-1 Kerry 0-3
Aidan Campbell free
Mayo 0-2 Kerry 0-3
Mayo shouldn't really be this close
Doesn't seem to be happening at all for O'Shea today...again. Nothing sticking to him at all it seems.
Level now though.
Ronaldson free levels the match at 3 points apiece. Mayo getting more possesison.
The slow start hasn't been rectified yet.
Yeah Cosmo, not happening yet for O'Shea - mind you, doesn't sound like any of the full forward line are making an impression really.
McGarrity seems to be be on the ball more than any other Mayo player.
Geaney puts Kerry ahead from Donaghy's knockdown.
Andy Moran with a long range point from play to level it up again.
Mayo seem to be hitting hard - no harm.
Mayo take the lead for the first time.
The scorer - Aidan O'Shea!
Hopefully that will kick start things for him. Mayo seem to be on top now.
3 to go to halftime.
Good man Aidan - point there, if he gets any confidence at all he can do so much for us, its frustrating to see things not going for him.
Half-time.
Level at 5 points apiece.
Sounds scrappy enough, O'Shea coming into it more near the end of the half.
Just talking to one of the lads who is at the match.
A few things he said:
- Cafferkey is doing very well at CHB and is matching Darren O'Sullivan for pace
- McGarrity doing well, getting on a lot of ball
- Some great balls put in to O'Shea that you would think he should get to easily, but he just doesn't seem to be able to make a burst from a standing position at all.
- Dillon is very quite, has barely been on the ball at all
- Full back line not convincing
Feeney (Alan) seems to be getting a handle on Donaghy, Cunniffe keeping Gooch relatively quiet, sounds encouraging so far.
Mayo back in front.
Free for Kerry by Geaney after A Feeney was judged to have fouled Donaghy.
Mayo 0-6 Kerry 0-6
Neil Douglas on for Mark Ronaldson
Another early shower for Ronaldson, still some questions over whether he can step up to top level league and championship football.
Douglas on, sides level.
Pointed free from Campbell, Mayo back in front - 7 to 6
Darren O'Sullivan levels it with 20 mins to go.
Scrappy game - both teams giving away ball.
Douglas points from play to put Mayo back in front.
Tom Parsons on for Gibbons. 11 mins left. Game seems to have died a bit.
Kerry change - Bryan Sheehan on for Geaney
Jason Doherty on for Neil Douglas who was injured - pity, he seemed to be doing well since he came on.
Penalty for Kerry - Darren O'Sullivan pulled down by Hennelly. Shite.
Sheehan gets the goal. Kerry 2 up with 6 left.
Mayo 0-8 Kerry 1-7
Free for Mayo. Kilcoyne takes it from his hands and doesn't get it. Why didn't he take it from the ground?
Kerry break with Darren O'Sullivan and get their free.
3 mins injury time.
Sheahan with a long run and point. That should be that.
Mayo 0-8 Kerry 1-8
Another point for Kerry.
0-8 to 1-9 in the last minute.
Game over, big relegation derby to come now next weekend.
Disappointing last quarter from Mayo. Yep Cosmo, 1 point from 2 games makes next Sunday's trip to Tuam very important.
11 wides to 4 is another lesson from today's match
Mayo didn't score in the first 19 minutes or the last 19 minutes, so with those stats we were always up against it.
Andy Moran on the radio now not convinced by the penalty award, it will be on TG4 in half an hour.
He's leaving nobody in any doubt as to his position to the west of the Ballagh county fence either!
Radio Kerry said no penalty.
They reckon that decision swung the match in a very poor game.
Kerry's big problems in midfield and half forward line continue.
We are a team in transition at the moment so this is a good win to keep us out of the relegation dogfight (for now!!!).
Eoin Brosnan did well on him return; David Gaeney looking like a real find for us.
Tough on Mayo though but they had had the indian sign over us in the last few years (in the league at any rate).
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on February 20, 2011, 04:41:54 PM
Radio Kerry said no penalty.
They reckon that decision swung the match in a very poor game.
Kerry's big problems in midfield and half forward line continue.
We are a team in transition at the moment so this is a good win to keep us out of the relegation dogfight (for now!!!).
Eoin Brosnan did well on him return; David Gaeney looking like a real find for us.
Tough on Mayo though but they had had the indian sign over us in the last few years (in the league at any rate).
Ye're welcome to today's win if it means we win in our next Championship meeting :D
Absolutely no need for the keeper to go in like that for the penalty.
O'Sullivan was going nowhere.
Just saw the penalty incident. O'Sullivan jumped into Hennelly and they both fell over. No penalty.
But overall it looked a scrappy game played in bad conditions. Mayo trying to play the quick long ball into the forwards but 8 times out of 10 it didn't come off.
The way Hennelly wrapped his arms around him meant that the ref was always likely to give the penalty. No need for it, he should have been able to guide him over the end line more easily than that, O'Sullivan wasn't heading towards goal at all.
Here's the penalty incident, judge for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF1v3-z7Rb8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF1v3-z7Rb8)
and here's McLoughlin's earlier point after a good take down the other end by Alan Feeney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg1KFrKaAJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg1KFrKaAJE)
Thought the Mitchels trio in the full back line looked solid all the way through despite the conditions, that full back line would be worth sticking with against Galway. If they settle as a unit Higgins can move to the half back line when he comes back from his travels.
Looking at the table tonight, the loser of the game in Tuam next Sunday will need a massive finish to the league to avoid relegation.
Keeper made a terrible blunder of that - all he had to do was stay between O'Sullivan and the goal as O'Sullivan had nowhere to go.
I only caught the last 20 minutes but Mayo's shooting was brutal. Marc O'Sé did a great job clearing up at the back. Sheehan's last point was great - serious pace and a nice finish.
O'Sullivan charged into Hennelly (free out) at which stage Hennelly wrapped his hands around him which is what the penalty was given for. Harsh in the extreme in my opinion.
If Mayo had a decent outlet in the full-forward line, they'd have won today.
Excellent performances from Cunniffe, Gardiner, Cafferkey, McLoughlin, McGarrity and Campbell. Hennelly, Richie Feeney, Alan Feeney and Jason Gibbons can also be happy with how they did. Sadly five out of our six forwards were below par and that's why we lost. But our workrate was great to see and there's a very definite team spirit in evidence in this Mayo team. Work to do, yes, but we're going in the right direction.
And I don't know of any inter-county football with the blinding pace of Tom Cunniffe, mother of God!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 20, 2011, 04:35:14 PM
Mayo didn't score in the first 19 minutes or the last 19 minutes, so with those stats we were always up against it.
Andy Moran ::)
He's leaving nobody in any doubt as to his position to the west of the Ballagh county fence either!
The clown called himself a Mayoman, yet next Friday in his own home town, he'll be voting in his own home constituency of Roscommon/South Leitrim.
It must be killing him that he can't vote in Mayo
Quote from: Shrewdness on February 20, 2011, 06:56:12 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on February 20, 2011, 04:35:14 PM
Mayo didn't score in the first 19 minutes or the last 19 minutes, so with those stats we were always up against it.
Andy Moran ::)
He's leaving nobody in any doubt as to his position to the west of the Ballagh county fence either!
The clown called himself a Mayoman, yet next Friday in his own home town, he'll be voting in his own home constituency of Roscommon/South Leitrim.
It must be killing him that he can't vote in Mayo
Jesus ye are way too touchy about the border.
QuoteO'Sullivan charged into Hennelly (free out) at which stage Hennelly wrapped his hands around him which is what the penalty was given for. Harsh in the extreme in my opinion.
Ah now R&GS, there isn't a hope he was charging. I think Hennelly came out to narrow the angle and positioned his body to make himself big for a possible shot from O'Sullivan. When this didn't happen and instead O'Sullivan kept moving forward the inevitable collision between the two made it appear as if Hennelly was rugby tackling (poorly). Therefore, the keeper was a bit unfortunate but probably should have done better and in the circumstances I can understand why the ref gave it. Whatever it was it wasn't a free out!
I was in Hyde park today so i know first hand how terrible the weather was but Mayo 8 scores to kerry 10 scores shows how poor of fair that was in McHale park no doubt both will have to improve on that showing.
Quote from: Zulu on February 20, 2011, 07:01:32 PM
QuoteO'Sullivan charged into Hennelly (free out) at which stage Hennelly wrapped his hands around him which is what the penalty was given for. Harsh in the extreme in my opinion.
Ah now R&GS, there isn't a hope he was charging. I think Hennelly came out to narrow the angle and positioned his body to make himself big for a possible shot from O'Sullivan. When this didn't happen and instead O'Sullivan kept moving forward the inevitable collision between the two made it appear as if Hennelly was rugby tackling (poorly). Therefore, the keeper was a bit unfortunate but probably should have done better and in the circumstances I can understand why the ref gave it. Whatever it was it wasn't a free out!
Looked at it again there on YouTube and once O'Sullivan half lost control of the ball he did drive into Hennelly with the shoulder - maybe it was a fair challenge, but I dunno. As he had the momentum from there, he knocked Hennelly and went down with him at which stage Hennelly wrapped him. If you didn't consider him to have charged, then it was a penalty. I reckon he did charge myself but it was all in a split second so while I do think the referee gave the decision the wrong way, it was a tough decision to make in the moment.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 20, 2011, 07:32:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 20, 2011, 07:01:32 PM
QuoteO'Sullivan charged into Hennelly (free out) at which stage Hennelly wrapped his hands around him which is what the penalty was given for. Harsh in the extreme in my opinion.
Ah now R&GS, there isn't a hope he was charging. I think Hennelly came out to narrow the angle and positioned his body to make himself big for a possible shot from O'Sullivan. When this didn't happen and instead O'Sullivan kept moving forward the inevitable collision between the two made it appear as if Hennelly was rugby tackling (poorly). Therefore, the keeper was a bit unfortunate but probably should have done better and in the circumstances I can understand why the ref gave it. Whatever it was it wasn't a free out!
Looked at it again there on YouTube and once O'Sullivan half lost control of the ball he did drive into Hennelly with the shoulder - maybe it was a fair challenge, but I dunno. As he had the momentum from there, he knocked Hennelly and went down with him at which stage Hennelly wrapped him. If you didn't consider him to have charged, then it was a penalty. I reckon he did charge myself but it was all in a split second so while I do think the referee gave the decision the wrong way, it was a tough decision to make in the moment.
The keeper made a mess of it by wrapping his arms around O'Sullivan when he didn't need to.
Looking at the Youtube video the ref had little option but to award the penalty! silly mistake by the keeper that clearly cost Mayo the game.
From Mayo Advertiser...By Colm Gannon, Mchale Park
Mayo 0-8
Kerry 1-9
Mayo went down to Kerry in their second game in the National Football League in McHale Park on Sunday, and when they look back on the game they will know that they had only themselves to blame for the four point defeat. After taking control of the game from the middle of the first half until right at the death, they failed to convert numerous scoring chances in to scores on the board. Mayo kicked and fisted eleven wides over the seventy minutes in a bitterly cold and wet McHale Park. The result of the game swung dramatically in the Munster mens favour seven minutes from the end when Robert Hennelly was harshly adjudged to have fouled Darran O'Sullivan for a penalty. The decision looked harsh and was one that Mayo manager James Horan described after the game as an unbelievable decision. Bryan Sheehan who had only come on as sub stepped up and calmly slotted the ball to the net sending Hennelly the wrong way. Kerry kicked on from there and added on two more points from Sheehan and Kieran O'Leary to wrap up a 1-9 to 0-8 win. Mayo's inability to convert their possession was the root cause of their failure to take the points from a game that was there to be won.
Both from play and from placed balls Mayo, were not at the races at all in the shooting stakes when it mattered. There were however a number of positives to be taken from the game, with the Mayo defence doing very well after a shaky opening quarter. Alan Feeney, Richie Feeney and Kevin McLoughlin all put in very good performance's with those around them grafting hard all day. Normally if a Mayo team could keep Colm Cooper to a point and Kieran Donaghy scoreless you would have assumed they were well on their way to a victory, but not this day.
Mayo going in level at the break didn't look like a possibility after the opening 15 minutes where at times Kerry looked to be toying with Mayo. The changing point in the half came after a quarter of an hour. Kieran Donaghy won the ball and played in Darren O'Sullivan who laid it off to David Geaney who shot for goal. Robert Hennelly pulled off a great save with his foot to send the ball high and away. At that stage Kerry were leading by three points and Mayo were struggling to make inroads at all, they were failing to clear the ball out of their own half on too many occasions. The visitors got their first score of the half when Geaney kicked a point from out on the right two minutes in, then four minutes later Darren O'Sullivan pointed after Colm Cooper took a quick free to set a move in motion. The Dr Crokes man got his only score of the day 12 minutes in when he tapped over a free from close range. Mayo finally got themselves on the scoresheet in the 20th minute when Ronan McGarrity put over a point from that little pocket of the field where his deadly accurate, coming in from the right hand side on his right foot between the 45m and 21m lines. Aidan Campbell added a free shortly afterwards and that was followed by another pointed free from Ronaldson to level the game up with ten minutes left in the half. David Geaney put Kerry back in front with a good point from play after a quick Darren O'Sullivan free was knocked into his path by Donaghy. Andy Moran leveled it up with the best Mayo score of the afternoon a huge point from out on the left hand side, then Aidan O'Shea finally got the ball under control to slot his only score of the day to put Mayo into the lead for the first time with four minutes to go before the break. The Kerry men did level it up before the midway mark through A Geaney free after McGarrity was judged to have over carried the ball coming out of defence. Mayo's inability to clear their lines lead to five of Kerry's scores in the game according to James Horan after the match.
The opening exchanges of the second half saw Kevin McLoughlin and Geaney exchange scores inside the opening six minutes. Mayo retook the lead through Aidan Campbell with 22 minutes left on the clock but that was soon counteracted by a Darren O'Sullivan point. The last Mayo score came from the boot of Neil Douglas who came on after 41 minutes for Mark Ronaldson with 18 minutes left on the clock. But that was to be the last time that Mayo troubled the umpire in the Albany end to raise the white flag. With a trip to Tuam and old rivals Galway next week a lot of work will have to be done, to ensure that that this years league campaign doesn't turn into a slog to avoid relegation.
Mayo: R Hennelly, R Feeney, A Feeney, T Cunniffe; P Gardiner, G Cafferkey, K McLoughlin (0-1); J Gibbons, R McGarrity (0-1); A Campbell (0-2), A Moran (0-1), A Dillon; A O'Shea (0-1), A Kilcoyne, M Ronaldson (0-1,1f). Subs: N Douglas (0-1), T Parsons, J Doherty
Kerry: B Kealy; P Reidy, M O'Sé, S Enright; A O'Mahony, E Brosnan, J Lyne; S Scanlon, D Moran; G O'Driscoll, D O'Sullivan (0-2), D Walsh; C Copper (0-1,1f), K Donaghy, D Geaney (0-4, 2f). Subs: A Maher, D Casey, B Sheehan (1-1), K O'Leary (0-1)
I don't know. Our handling errors and our shot selection let us down.
I thought the keeper had a good day, despite letting in a goal from the penalty. There can be debates about it all day but it's standing now and that's that...
Full-back line coped well, I thought Alan Feeney was lucky to have gotten Billy Fitz's motm on the radio (I tuned in on the way home) as he was lucky enough the ball bounced his ways on occasions. Cunniffe was mighty today.
Halfback line was good too, McLoughlin would have been up there for motm in my opinion. Cafferkey stuck with O'Sullivan as well and didn't let him in for anything (apart from the peno) but he was solid all through I thought.
Midfield, McGarrity had a great game in my opinion, he was ploughing a lone furrow for most of the match as Gibbons didn't seem to be in the game at all. McG seemed to be everywhere up and down the field.
Campbell was okish in the half-forward line. Andy Moran, Christ if he could carry the spring form into Summer he'd be a mighty man. Dillon had one of his worst games in a Mayo jersey. Nothing worked for him. I'm sure it was just one of those days.
Inside forward line, AOS AAAAAH!!! He has no dash of pace, he couldn't catch a ball without dropping it, but he did score a sweet point in the first half when he actually did catch the ball. If only he did it all through the game. Kilcoyne didn't have his usual impact he has on Mayo days either. Ronaldson is just a bit too small for intercounty stuff imo.
Pity Douglas got injured, hopefully it's not too serious. Game definitely changed with the penalty. Kerry seemed to score any time they liked to and despite leading 8 pts to 7 I always got the feeling that Kerry would score again if they wanted to level it up. But they got the penalty and that was that.
I m far too annoyed to take many positives from the game at this stage. The same things are doing us in over and over again. It s like f**king Groundhog Day going to Mayo games.
I hate to say it, but there will be no All Ireland win with this team imo. A full strength Kerry team could beat us by 20 points if we met them in a final. Our lads try hard in fairness but me might as well accept that we are just not good enough.
Declan O' Sullivan, Thomas O' Se and Galvin were missing today and Gooch and Donaghy were hardly killing themselves. I'm depressed. I thought we might be bridging the gap but it looks like we are heading no where fast at any rate.......I hope I'm wrong.
O'Sullivan was airborne, leading with the shoulder, when he collided with Hennelly. That is a free out straight away, regardless of what the keeper does afterwards.
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O'Sullivan had driven into Hennelly before Hennelly wrapped him. But a hard decision to make in real time in fairness to Maurice Deegan.
Moysider and Saffronandblue I don't see the reason for so much negativity. It is February, we played against Kerry with five of our six forwards playing below their best, for whatever reason and still should have won. Sure, there's work to be done. But I'm not so sure about referencing this defeat against other games. We had a very impressive back six today. We worked very hard off the ball I felt too - think you're way off the mark there saffron. And it is only February. If we had Alan Freeman today, Enda Varley or were willing to blood Cillian O'Connor, we probably would have won. Both teams were understrength. We might know Kerry's strongest team. We can hardly say to know ours yet.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 20, 2011, 11:05:30 PM
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O'Sullivan had driven into Hennelly before Hennelly wrapped him. But a hard decision to make in real time in fairness to Maurice Deegan.
That photo tells you nothing; the keeper has both arms around O'Sullivan at that stage.
Quote from: Maguire01 on February 20, 2011, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 20, 2011, 11:05:30 PM
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O'Sullivan had driven into Hennelly before Hennelly wrapped him. But a hard decision to make in real time in fairness to Maurice Deegan.
That photo tells you nothing; the keeper has both arms around O'Sullivan at that stage.
Is that all you see in that photo?
O'Sullivan was protecting the ball, he turned away from Hennelly to prevent him from getting the ball. There was no way he was charging. I thought that Hennelly was a bit unlucky in that he was caught between two movements, if you like, but it was probably a penalty all things considered.
I am the only one totally confused as to how on earth the mayolads are trying to question the clearest penalty decision i have ever seen... ::)
It's a fine tackle by Hennelly if it were rugby & Maurice Deegan clearly tells the Mayo players that he was pulled down.
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penalty or not, somebody mentioned that Mayo did not score for the first 19 minutes or the last 19 minutes. That alone would give you heartburn.
Quote from: saffronandblue on February 20, 2011, 09:56:19 PM
I hate to say it, but there will be no All Ireland win with this team imo. A full strength Kerry team could beat us by 20 points if we met them in a final. Our lads try hard in fairness but me might as well accept that we are just not good enough.
Declan O' Sullivan, Thomas O' Se and Galvin were missing today and Gooch and Donaghy were hardly killing themselves. I'm depressed. I thought we might be bridging the gap but it looks like we are heading no where fast at any rate.......I hope I'm wrong.
Was at the game and i have to agree with Saffron and blue, we didn't score for the first 19 minutes of the game, what these lads need is time and lots of it, we are starting all over again from a very low base- definitely division 2 standard. We have "average to good" raw intercounty players who are still learning their trade along with the manager, it is good that we are getting this exposure in Division 1 as we wont in my opinion be getting it next year. There has to be a few changes, to the starting 15 before the championship starts, but booking Citywest in late August wont be one of our problems this year! Kerry were miles better yesterday and playing in second gear for most of the game.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on February 21, 2011, 08:41:28 AM
Quote from: saffronandblue on February 20, 2011, 09:56:19 PM
I hate to say it, but there will be no All Ireland win with this team imo. A full strength Kerry team could beat us by 20 points if we met them in a final. Our lads try hard in fairness but me might as well accept that we are just not good enough.
Declan O' Sullivan, Thomas O' Se and Galvin were missing today and Gooch and Donaghy were hardly killing themselves. I'm depressed. I thought we might be bridging the gap but it looks like we are heading no where fast at any rate.......I hope I'm wrong.
Was at the game and i have to agree with Saffron and blue, we didn't score for the first 19 minutes of the game, what these lads need is time and lots of it, we are starting all over again from a very low base- definitely division 2 standard. We have "average to good" raw intercounty players who are still learning their trade along with the manager, it is good that we are getting this exposure in Division 1 as we wont in my opinion be getting it next year. There has to be a few changes, to the starting 15 before the championship starts, but booking Citywest in late August wont be one of our problems this year! Kerry were miles better yesterday and playing in second gear for most of the game.
Come off the pot lads, things are not that bad ::)
Thats serious negative stuff coming from you both, its only February.
If it wasnt for a terrible referee and a very dubious the penalty Mayo looked like they could have won the game in the second half, and looked in control for periods. For all of Kerrys possession in the first half they failed to put us away and it could have been a very different outcome if we took our chances. The penalty decision was a joke; O Suillivan jumped into Hennelly, effectively diving for the penalty. It should have been a free out and I would have booked him for the big leaping dive, it looked cat. As someone mentioned even Kerry radio said it was no penalty. What did you expect Hennelly to do? I he hadnt done what he did he would have gotten a shoulder or elbow to the face.
saffronandblue - You talking about a full strength Kerry team when we were depleted about 6 possible starters last Sunday. A new young team like what played last Sunday did well and were not exactly hammered off the pitch. We dont even know our best 15 yet and may not find out for a long time yet as there was some good performances again yesterday.
Gaeilgoir saying we are starting off from a very low base - division 2 standard is a little rough too. We drew with the All Ireland finalists so far in the league and should take Galway, Monaghan and maybe Armagh to stay safe.
Keep the faith ;)
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 21, 2011, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on February 21, 2011, 08:41:28 AM
Quote from: saffronandblue on February 20, 2011, 09:56:19 PM
I hate to say it, but there will be no All Ireland win with this team imo. A full strength Kerry team could beat us by 20 points if we met them in a final. Our lads try hard in fairness but me might as well accept that we are just not good enough.
Declan O' Sullivan, Thomas O' Se and Galvin were missing today and Gooch and Donaghy were hardly killing themselves. I'm depressed. I thought we might be bridging the gap but it looks like we are heading no where fast at any rate.......I hope I'm wrong.
Was at the game and i have to agree with Saffron and blue, we didn't score for the first 19 minutes of the game, what these lads need is time and lots of it, we are starting all over again from a very low base- definitely division 2 standard. We have "average to good" raw intercounty players who are still learning their trade along with the manager, it is good that we are getting this exposure in Division 1 as we wont in my opinion be getting it next year. There has to be a few changes, to the starting 15 before the championship starts, but booking Citywest in late August wont be one of our problems this year! Kerry were miles better yesterday and playing in second gear for most of the game.
Come off the pot lads, things are not that bad ::)
Thats serious negative stuff coming from you both, its only February.
If it wasnt for a terrible referee and a very dubious the penalty Mayo looked like they could have won the game in the second half, and looked in control for periods. For all of Kerrys possession in the first half they failed to put us away and it could have been a very different outcome if we took our chances. The penalty decision was a joke; O Suillivan jumped into Hennelly, effectively diving for the penalty. It should have been a free out and I would have booked him for the big leaping dive, it looked cat. As someone mentioned even Kerry radio said it was no penalty. What did you expect Hennelly to do? I he hadnt done what he did he would have gotten a shoulder or elbow to the face.
saffronandblue - You talking about a full strength Kerry team when we were depleted about 6 possible starters last Sunday. A new young team like what played last Sunday did well and were not exactly hammered off the pitch. We dont even know our best 15 yet and may not find out for a long time yet as there was some good performances again yesterday.
Gaeilgoir saying we are starting off from a very low base - division 2 standard is a little rough too. We drew with the All Ireland finalists so far in the league and should take Galway, Monaghan and maybe Armagh to stay safe.
Keep the faith ;)
+1
Quote from: AbbeySider on February 21, 2011, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on February 21, 2011, 08:41:28 AM
Quote from: saffronandblue on February 20, 2011, 09:56:19 PM
I hate to say it, but there will be no All Ireland win with this team imo. A full strength Kerry team could beat us by 20 points if we met them in a final. Our lads try hard in fairness but me might as well accept that we are just not good enough.
Declan O' Sullivan, Thomas O' Se and Galvin were missing today and Gooch and Donaghy were hardly killing themselves. I'm depressed. I thought we might be bridging the gap but it looks like we are heading no where fast at any rate.......I hope I'm wrong.
Was at the game and i have to agree with Saffron and blue, we didn't score for the first 19 minutes of the game, what these lads need is time and lots of it, we are starting all over again from a very low base- definitely division 2 standard. We have "average to good" raw intercounty players who are still learning their trade along with the manager, it is good that we are getting this exposure in Division 1 as we wont in my opinion be getting it next year. There has to be a few changes, to the starting 15 before the championship starts, but booking Citywest in late August wont be one of our problems this year! Kerry were miles better yesterday and playing in second gear for most of the game.
Come off the pot lads, things are not that bad ::)
Thats serious negative stuff coming from you both, its only February.
If it wasnt for a terrible referee and a very dubious the penalty Mayo looked like they could have won the game in the second half, and looked in control for periods. For all of Kerrys possession in the first half they failed to put us away and it could have been a very different outcome if we took our chances. The penalty decision was a joke; O Suillivan jumped into Hennelly, effectively diving for the penalty. It should have been a free out and I would have booked him for the big leaping dive, it looked cat. As someone mentioned even Kerry radio said it was no penalty. What did you expect Hennelly to do? I he hadnt done what he did he would have gotten a shoulder or elbow to the face.
saffronandblue - You talking about a full strength Kerry team when we were depleted about 6 possible starters last Sunday. A new young team like what played last Sunday did well and were not exactly hammered off the pitch. We dont even know our best 15 yet and may not find out for a long time yet as there was some good performances again yesterday.
Gaeilgoir saying we are starting off from a very low base - division 2 standard is a little rough too. We drew with the All Ireland finalists so far in the league and should take Galway, Monaghan and maybe Armagh to stay safe.
Keep the faith ;)
i am keeping the faith and i feel that this team has potential along with the manager to establish itself in the next 2-3 years. I didn't mean to be so pessimistic, however a bit of realism should be added into the mix.
Having been out of the country for the past 3 and a bit weeks I haven't got into the full swing of the football season until this weekend. I must say I have watched a video of the Down game and was in Castlebar yesterday and am a little worried already.
It is fair to say we are starting at a very low base and we have a rookie manager after the departure of John "Straight Talking Straight Answers" O'M! I am delighted to see some new lads get a run - the two Feeneys did well yesterday although I do think that Alan is a more realistic long-term prospect, Jason Gibbons has shown promising but limited signs in midfield, Aidan Campbell is one that should be given the time to develop.
I do think Kerry didn't even get into second gear yesterday and it is the performance of the backs when Down really played that has to be of concern. We are probably not as bad as that in defence, but in no way are we as good as we looked yesterday, and we did get some lucky touches. What disappoints is that there is no real sign of a game plan. It is the same old Mayo football that has failed time and time again. The work ethic is ok but was lacking compared to the Kerry backs. We are still being left exposed on counter-attacks, and the tracking back is a token effort at times.
Some of the handling was atrocious yesterday. I know conditions were very poor but the Kerry lads were able to get over that better than us. Much comes down to concentration as much as to ability.
I have mixed views about whether the penalty decision was right but the goalie did make it very easy for the ref to make the call. But we too often rely on excuses and love our moral victories. These players have all too often relied on excuses and come out in newspapers to say we will do better next time. If we are ever to get anywhere we need to adopt the Vince Lombardi attitude - "Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser" and realise that "The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of will". Last year it was the manager to blame and anybody listening to players all through the season knew that was their problem. They now have a new regieme and should have no easy fall-back - they have a lot to answer for after the humiliation of last Summer.
And it is galling that one our best players has now decided to go on holidays for the next 3/4 weeks after playing the first game. What type of commitment is that? What type of example is it? You either want to play for the country team or you want to be going on holidays. Nobody would begrudge a lad a winter away but when that has been had and you line up in the early games you are letting down your team mates by fecking off in the middle of an important league.
Galway next week is a big one now if we are going to survive.
I would take more positives than negatives from the game on Sunday. There was some good defensive displays, especially from McGloughlin and Cunniffe, both of whom would have been in line for my man of the match.
Some may thing that Kerry had an extra gear but at the same time our defence did Ok.
Hennelly did well and looked confident with anything that came to him. The accuracy of the kickouts need to improve but I think he has the edge on O Malley and could even knock Clarke out if he done well for the next few league games.
Cunniffe held the Gooch scoreless from play and was exceptionally tight throughout so I have no complaints. Alan Feeney may have been lucky with the way bounced for him a few times and played on the edge, giving away the odd free to prevent goal chances. All in all he was solid enough and couldnt have done much more. I thought Richie was beaten in the first half, with Geaney kicking a couple of points off him and almost got a goal. There was times when he was 10-15 yards off his man so he needs to tighten up.
McLoughlin worked his socks off all day and had a great game, kicking a point for good measure. Gardiner hadnt a bad game either. After the first 10 minutes I was very worried about Ger Cafferkey, as O Suillivan seemed to have the better of him. However, Cafferkey settled better after a while and came into it very well and they had a good battle for the rest of the day. We should be seeing him getting more time to settle into that role in the next few games.
Whereas we probably lost the midfield battle, including kickouts and the brake count, both midfielders didnt give up and got through a lot of work and ball. A few passes didnt work out for Gibbons and McGarrity lost possession a few times but I think we will be sticking with them for now as they are a good dynamic. McGarrity got forward when he needed to and took on a few shots, and Gibbons tackled and did the spade work and kept Scanlon at bay. Some of Hennelly's kickouts may not have given McGarrity or Gibbons an advantage but that may come.
Upfront things didnt go as well for us. Campbell did ok, worked hard, tackled back and stood up to the challenge kicking two from play. He was firery enough and didnt show any signs of bowing to the Kerry lads. Andy was a bit quieter and maybe that was because of Brosnan keeping him at bay. Dillon was poor, looked tired or something and should have been substituted. Maybe the Sigerson game for NUIG took it out of himself and Gardnier as they both looked flat, Dillon especially was only a shadow of what he normally is.
I dont think I was particularly happy with any of the full forward line. What does Aidan O Shea have to do to win a free? He is battered, pulled and dragged all over the place and never gets the benefit of the doubt as he is so big referees will not whistle for the free. I simply cant get over Ronalldson and Kilcoyne not being more alert for the breaks. FFS 90% of breaks will fall in the area in front of a guy its breaking off but Killer and Ronnie were not trying to arrive there and stood back while the corner backs mopped up. At the other end, any ball that went near Donaughy had Gooch, Geaney and sometimes O Suillivan all arriving and getting on to the breaking ball and manufacturing scores. Our corner forwards need to wake up a bit and stop expecting AOS to do everything.
Of the guys that came on, Duggy got a nice score and was unlucky to get injured, would liked to have seen more of him. Parsons didnt add much to midfield but then again he hadnt much time to make an impression.
All all, more positives than negatives IMO.
We were lucky to get out with a win yesterday, it was a very scrappy game lots of silly mistakes by both teams and my big bug bear is lads picking the ball off the ground, we get pinged for it all the time it is stupid stuff, and not too difficult to get the foot under a rolling ball, also the handpassing is again causing silly frees being given away.
The penalty was a lucky break for us and was a borderline call but some days you get the rub of the whistle and Sheehan stuck it away well and you sensed that knocked the life out of Mayo.
Brian Sheehan looked impressive for the short while he was on and his late point was a great score given the conditions and he seems to be flying at the moments which given a long season with his club hopefully bodes well for him and us this summer.
I thought Marc O'Se had an excellent game too and made a couple of great interceptions and bursts out of the backs.
Aidan O'Mahony made some good interceptions too and though Padraig Reidy was quite he will need more game time
Great to see Killian Young back getting a run again as he has been out injured for months and with Tomas OSe due back in and Tom 'Sullivan due to make a decision on his future shortly the back positions will be hotting up. Also Tommy Griffin has yet to make an appearance this year.
Eoin Brosnan did well in the Centre and will be worth looking at again though I was concerned about midfield as McGarritty seemed to win alot of ball and neither Moran, Scanlon or Maher did a huge amount of damage, though given the conditions the amount of ball spilled or dropped was understandable.
David Geaney started well as did the Gooch but both faded long before the end and Darren O'Sullivan should have buried a chance in the first half before "winning" his team the penalty, overall he was stuck in a lot stuff and Donnacha Walsh supported him well. Thought the game seemed to pass Gary O'Driscoll by in his first outing and Donaghy never really dominated the high ball but Mayo did well in their full back line to clear the dangers.
Still a win is vital and keeps us out of the drop zone for now though with tough games against Armagh, Down and Dublin and others coming up we will need to step it up again, the likes of Declan O'Sullivan, Paul Galvin, Tomas O'Se all need to start getting back in harness but still it heartening to see the likes of Shane Enright, Jonathan Lyne and the Geaneys getting plenty of game time.
One point from two home games is a poor return, Galway next week with a real point to prove in terms of their internal goings on. Don't see us beating dublin away and with Billie Joe capable of running up hughe scores for Armagh it could be a real dogfight to stay up. Early days yet but the forwards, bar Moran, were piss poor yesterday. Considering horan was able to knock the ball over the bar for 50 yards in his hayday, you would expect him to encourge forwards to shoot instead to going back and over the pitch. As many have said, the backs performed well but i fear for some of them later in the year. The feenys seem to be a good addition but there are still lots of questions hanging over the guys. As for poor AOS, can't run, can't catch. can't stay on his feet. It's difficult to know to do to get him motoring. He could have got the curly finger as quick as ronnie yesterday. Roll on Tuam, a victory over the old rivals could kick start the campaign
Massive optimism to depression in one afternoon. ???
This is February. As for criticising an amateur player who gives his all to two sports most for most of the year, because he wants a few weeks holidays and a life for a bit of February and March, I just don't know.
I shouldn't worry though, it won't last long, when we beat Galway or whoever we will be world beaters again.
QuoteI shouldn't worry though, it won't last long, when we beat Galway or whoever we will be world beaters again.
From the Examiner this morning just on cue....
"MAYO could become a super-power of the GAA world".
That is the bold statement of the county's strategic action plan committee chairman Liam Horan after launching the document on Saturday.
While acknowledging the remark could come back to bite him, Horan made the statement in the belief Mayo's fortunes on the playing field can prosper if they succeed in tapping into the unrivalled amount of demographic wealth they possess. Creating a worldwide supporters club and repatriating funds from major Irish centres across the globe is one of seven key recommendations made in the plan, which also include the appointments of a director of football coaching and a commercial director.
While the county board — who commissioned the report, were opposed to its publication, board chairman Paddy McNicholas attended the launch.
The action plan will be voted on by a county board meeting next month but in the meantime the committee intend holding information meetings with the respective divisional boards.
Speaking on Saturday night, Horan asked people to understand that the report wasn't intended to be the last but the first word in improving Mayo GAA, which was knocked so badly last year after the senior footballers' abject All-Ireland championship.
"The process of compiling our report led us to this conclusion: based on the passion and goodwill that exists for Mayo, here in Mayo, all over Ireland, and all around the globe, we are absolutely confident that Mayo could become a super-power of the GAA world.
"It is a naive statement. A wiser committee might shy away from it, because it sets us up for a fall. It is a statement that will be easily thrown back in our faces.
"Where's the super power now?' some may ask when we slip meekly out of the qualifiers this year or next. 'Whither now for the project to dominate the world?" they'll caw. Let them have their moment of pithy triumph.
"We should hold true to our aspirations, and focus solely on arranging our forces and marshalling our troops: as a large emigration county, our people have been cast to the four corners of the world, and with absence doing what it does to an already fond heart, these people are perhaps our greatest asset right now — our 16th man.
"Let us go about our business so that Mayo people all over the world have a wheel they can put their shoulder to — let's become the first county to have Mayo supporters branches in all the major 'Irish' cities."
Another of the key proposals is the establishment of a Mayo Gaelic football academy for high-potential players in the 18-22 age group and the appointment of an academy manager. The committee also propose the establishment of a Mayo GAA brand, which they see as a key element in capitalising on the support for the county.
Quote from: muppet on February 21, 2011, 12:36:50 PM
Massive optimism to depression in one afternoon. ???
This is February. As for criticising an amateur player who gives his all to two sports most for most of the year, because he wants a few weeks holidays and a life for a bit of February and March, I just don't know.
I shouldn't worry though, it won't last long, when we beat Galway or whoever we will be world beaters again.
I dont think the point was about the player personally, it has more to do with the signal it sends out, he is only back training 6 weeks and heads off for 2, good luck to him if he wants to do this, surely he knew this league campaigin would be a tough one and all hands to the pump is what is needed. As for playing two games etc. not going to go there.
The fear may have been that he would go for a longer spell originally. Although the point is valid that he should be in situ bearing in mind a new management team is trying to cobble a relatively new team and squad together.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 21, 2011, 12:15:56 AM
I am the only one totally confused as to how on earth the mayolads are trying to question the clearest penalty decision i have ever seen... ::)
The clearest case of charging I have ever seen.
Sligonian, you still around you prim and proper soldier of Sligo. Hope you are not finding the rareified air of Division two not too intoxicating you. Still managed by a Galway man I see and powered by a former Mayo panalest. A yes, the big inferiorty complex is alive and well, a hatred of Mayo. In fairness i dont blame you. If I came from a county that never NEVER won a single Connacht U21 title and lived besdie a county who has won four All Irelands at that level I too would be full of hate. Ah yes, the minors, two titles in 128 years along with 3 Senior titles. Not a big pile of chips to look at is it Sligonian?. Anyway keep sucking on your "I hate Mayo " loolipop and I look forward to either Leitrim or the Rossies baling ye this year. You lot will probably choke to them again this year. By the way, save me the "we bet Mayo and Galway last year " mantra. Ye actually bet the worst ever Mayo and Galway teams ever to tog. Blue moons dont come too often. Yours is nearly up. Loser.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on February 21, 2011, 10:07:02 PM
Sligonian, you still around you prim and proper soldier of Sligo. Hope you are not finding the rareified air of Division two not too intoxicating you. Still managed by a Galway man I see and powered by a former Mayo panalest. A yes, the big inferiorty complex is alive and well, a hatred of Mayo. In fairness i dont blame you. If I came from a county that never NEVER won a single Connacht U21 title and lived besdie a county who has won four All Irelands at that level I too would be full of hate. Ah yes, the minors, two titles in 128 years along with 3 Senior titles. Not a big pile of chips to look at is it Sligonian?. Anyway keep sucking on your "I hate Mayo " loolipop and I look forward to either Leitrim or the Rossies baling ye this year. You lot will probably choke to them again this year. By the way, save me the "we bet Mayo and Galway last year " mantra. Ye actually bet the worst ever Mayo and Galway teams ever to tog. Blue moons dont come too often. Yours is nearly up. Loser.
Jaysus Johnny, that was Sligonian being reasonable :D
You'd want to save some of the vitriol for summer when he gets really annoying :P
"worst ever Mayo and Galway teams ever to tog" christ you haven't watched many Mayo & Galway teams have you?
if the mayo at last have found a full back line as they seemed to have yesterday then the league has been a tremendous success so far. Putting out your strongest team and winning when no one else is fools no one any more . It did ud feck all good last year . though it was fun while it lasted. not much fun the day in longford was it?
positives from yesterday
hennelly , feeney feeney cunniffe , Mclaughlin andy , Campbell.
Negative
No proper freetaker (4 / 5 different one Probably cost us the game in reality)
Dillion's worst game ever for Mayo
Ref was cuck altogether free count 35 against Mayo, 23 against kerry , Crazy stuff
handling on both side was terrible
every thing else was pretty neutra,l a dog of a game
Who went away on holidays?
Quote from: highorlow on February 24, 2011, 08:26:10 PM
Who went away on holidays?
Keith Higgins gone to Oz for a few weeks (3 I think).
Not sure if it's holidays or some other reason e.g. wedding or something.