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Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2011, 12:16:12 PM
One of the accused is claiming he was beaten by the police. Could see that one coming down the track like a train, especially since I heard a Mauritian journalist on the radio last night say that most (90%?) of criminal convictions there come through confessions. Maybe the Irish government should offer to send some scientists over from Forensic Science Laboratory to assist with the investigation? Last thing needed here is a miscarriage of justice.
Quote from: clarshack on January 12, 2011, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2011, 12:16:12 PM
One of the accused is claiming he was beaten by the police. Could see that one coming down the track like a train, especially since I heard a Mauritian journalist on the radio last night say that most (90%?) of criminal convictions there come through confessions. Maybe the Irish government should offer to send some scientists over from Forensic Science Laboratory to assist with the investigation? Last thing needed here is a miscarriage of justice.
would agree.
if there was a struggle i would assume there would be plenty of dna evidence.
Quote from: shezam on January 12, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 12, 2011, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2011, 12:16:12 PM
One of the accused is claiming he was beaten by the police. Could see that one coming down the track like a train, especially since I heard a Mauritian journalist on the radio last night say that most (90%?) of criminal convictions there come through confessions. Maybe the Irish government should offer to send some scientists over from Forensic Science Laboratory to assist with the investigation? Last thing needed here is a miscarriage of justice.
would agree.
if there was a struggle i would assume there would be plenty of dna evidence.
Could be wrong here, but i doubt if they even know what dna is over there, don't think they would have the resources to get dna evidence.
Quote from: mannix on January 12, 2011, 03:26:33 PM
I also would be wary of what the police there would do just to make it look like justice was served fast so tourists think its a safe place.Lots of people die every day in different manners but this death just makes me sick, what if the husband went up instead of her? what if she seen them before she was fully in the door?
The poor husband must be in a state, he would probably be up on assault charges for battering the robbers if he had went to the room instead of her, at least they would both get to fly home and laugh about it in years to come. Another death that sticks in my mind is the little child in fermanagh, millie maguire, raped and her back broken by her mothers boyfriend. What happened to the dirtbag that commited that crime? never heard much about it after the initial news.
We all let our guard down when on holidays and a lot of the "staff" in these places make a nice living from that dropping of the guard, unfortunately this time the victim lost alot more than a handbag.
Rest in peace Michaela.
Good man FoSB. This talk should not have been on the other thread.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12169321 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12169321)
It would make you think that perhaps these people had a little side business going - seeking into rooms stealing small amounts of money or a watch or something like that. Things that you may not notice gone or if you did you'd just assume you'd left it by the pool or in the bar or something and never report it. Wee bits here and there probably earn these scumbags a fair bit of money in their country. It probably goes on more than you think in these places!
That's a fair point I'd say Benny. It would seem that whosoever were responsible had it down to a fine art, frequently practised no doubt on the unsuspecting innocents.
BennyHarp I would say you are right, there is no other explanation for their obvious stupidity in that they used work issued swipe cards along with the fact that there are CCTV camera's which could spot them if a guest became suspicious that something hugely valuable was missing.
I made the point yesterday that the authorities over there would have someone in custody pretty sharpish as the main thing that they care about is protecting the Island's image as a safe tourist destination. I heard the Chief of Police on the radio and he didn't do much to push me away from my view, all he seemed to ramble on about was that the Island relied on tourism and that this was the 1st and only time something like this has happened. You would be worried that any hobo off the street could be made a scapegoat in this instance just to protect the Island's repuatation.
what sentence do they face if convicted of murder
The world is full of scumbags, you just have to keep your eyes opened for them.
DNA evidence should be used but that place is a banana republic and DNA means nothing, and they are their own country and no outsider can force their authorities to do anything. They may make scapegoats of those fellas so as not to damage the tourism thing they have going.
I doubt justice will really be served, we will just get a semblance of it, i.e jail someone regardless of their involvement or lack of involvement.
Quote from: Cde on January 12, 2011, 04:15:27 PM
what sentence do they face if convicted of murder
I could only find this..............http://www.islandinfo.mu/mauritius-news/murder-sentence-changes-suggested-by-top-prosecutor-2934
and
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/mp-mauritius/cri-crime
There must be DNA evidence, and if the Mauritian authorities don't already exploit that in litigation they surely will have to now:
... (from www.irishtimes.com)
The police chief also confirmed that Ms Harte may have tried to fight off her attacker.
"There is some signs, indications, that she might have struggled. From what we have obtained from her nails, the collections we have obtained from her nails, it looks like there may have been some struggle," he said.
Criminal law in Mauritius is similar to the legal system Ireland and the UK, but with a French influence.
Ashveen Gopee, a barrister on the island, explained how suspects for the murder of honeymooner Michaela McAreavey could he held on remand for about one year, if necessary, as a case is built against them.
Mr Ashveen, of Astor Law Professionals in Port Louis, said once police believe they have substantial evidence against an arrested person, they would lodge a provisional charge of murder at a district court.
The case is heard by a magistrate, who is a trained lawyer, not a lay person.
"Bail acts are also similar to British law so the person would probably be denied bail," said Mr Ashveen.
"A judicial inquiry will then be carried out by police officers and the case will be called back by the magistrate at different stages to see how the investigation is continuing."
A formal charge of murder, or a lesser charge, is lodged against the person in one of the follow-up hearings.
Rarely, a magistrate will strike out a case over a lack of evidence against a suspect.
Mr Gopee revealed a suspect can be held in a police cell for 21 days, after which time he or she must be sent to a jail until the case goes to trial.
Murder cases are usually tried before a jury at the Assizes Court of Mauritius.
Mr Gopee said Mrs McAreavey's murder has shocked people across the island.
"This is a very, very unfortunate case," he added.
"For honeymooners to come to Mauritius and have this fate – everybody in Mauritius is quite shocked."
Mauritian law is an amalgam of French and British legal tradition after the Indian Ocean island was colonised by the two nations.
During the French period, the island's legal system was governed by the French Napoleonic Code, which remained in force under British rule.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mcareavey-murder-suspects-could-be-held-on-remand-for-a-year-489043.html#ixzz1Aq9gjM7g
One of the men charged in connection with the death of Michaela Harte has claimed he was the victim of police brutality yesterday, and his lawyer has called for an inquiry.
Journalist with News Now in Mauritius, Mayessen Naggapachetty said that Abinash Treeboowoon, 29, made a statement in court claiming that he was subjected to police brutality.
His legal counsel asked for medical treatment for his client, and an inquiry to be launched into the treatment of his client by investigators.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/michaela-mcareavey-murder-accused-calls-for-inquiry-into-police-brutality-489009.html#ixzz1AqA6oMs4
The killing of Michaela McAreavey has left the whole nation of Mauritius in mourning, tourism authorities said today.
However the death should be seen as an isolated incident, Jo Hartley from the Mauritius Tourism Promotion Authority said.
She added the tourism industry was vital to the island nation's economy.
Mauritius is in an idyllic position in the Indian Ocean off the southern African coast and draws thousands of honeymooners and holidaymakers from Ireland and the UK every year.
Ms Hartley said: "This is the first time this has occurred. We are trying to reassure people that it is not something that happens on a daily basis."
"The whole nation has gone into mourning because it is so shocking for them."
Mauritius has been a major attraction for tourists, with miles of golden sand, turquoise waves, clusters of shady coconut trees and tropical temperatures.
Ms Hartley said she could not remember a similar incident before. She added Mauritius was not poverty-stricken, with local people employed in the resort hotels as cooks and waiters.
"They try to keep an economy where local people can benefit as well. None of the beaches are private so locals can enjoy the coastline as much as the hotel guests," she added.
"It is not one of those segregated places, people tend to have a sense of harmony and to interact well."
Mauritius is an ethnic melting pot, formerly ruled by the Dutch, French and British, and full of descendants of the European powers, African creoles, Indian labourers and Chinese traders.
A spokesman for the Association of British Travel Agents (ABTA) said the killing of Ms McAreavey was being viewed as an isolated incident.
"I think it is very important that the Mauritian authorities take very swift action, which they have done," he said.
"People need to be reassured that they will be safe and that is exactly what we have seen, that should reassure people this is very much an isolated incident."
Neither the Irish nor the British governments have put any warnings about visits to the island on its travel advice website relating to the killing.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mauritius-in-mourning-over-michaela-murder-489065.html#ixzz1AqAeY4yx
Just noticed an online Book of Condolences on Facebook has been desecrated. Sick.
Quote from: mannix on January 12, 2011, 04:25:08 PM
The world is full of scumbags, you just have to keep your eyes opened for them.
DNA evidence should be used but that place is a banana republic and DNA means nothing, and they are their own country and no outsider can force their authorities to do anything. They may make scapegoats of those fellas so as not to damage the tourism thing they have going.
I doubt justice will really be served, we will just get a semblance of it, i.e jail someone regardless of their involvement or lack of involvement.
That's a very quick conclusion to come to, no harm but you come across a wee bit like a Sun journalist there.
Twitter:
QuoteBREAKING: Mauritius Police say 2 of the 3 men charged with the murder of Irish woman Michaela McAreavey have admitted to her killing (RTÉ)
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 12, 2011, 05:03:26 PM
Just noticed an online Book of Condolences on Facebook has been desecrated. Sick.
By who or for what reason?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 12, 2011, 05:03:26 PM
Just noticed an online Book of Condolences on Facebook has been desecrated. Sick.
Saw that. Thankfully the posts have been removed due to Ziggy contacting the Tyrone co board. There are some sick c***ts in this world.
The prime suspect in the murder of Michaela McAreavey has confessed to the crime.
Twenty-nine-year-old Avinash Treebhoowoon, from Plaines des Roches, is a room attendant at the Legends Hotel.
A second hotel worker was also charged with murder while a third was charged with conspiracy to murder.
Local reporter Mayessen Nagapachetty says Mr Treboowoon confessed in the past hour.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/prime-suspect-confesses-to-michaelas-murder-489069.html#ixzz1AqKTLZTo
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 12, 2011, 04:04:54 PM
It would make you think that perhaps these people had a little side business going - seeking into rooms stealing small amounts of money or a watch or something like that. Things that you may not notice gone or if you did you'd just assume you'd left it by the pool or in the bar or something and never report it. Wee bits here and there probably earn these scumbags a fair bit of money in their country. It probably goes on more than you think in these places!
Has occurred to me before. We stayed in a well known hotel chain in Glasgow a couple of years ago and when we arrived in our next destination I went to get my new scarf that was given as a Christmas present, and I couldn't find it anywhere in our bags. After thinking back I didn't remember packing it that morning, the last place it was was in the hotel room and we did the post packing check under the beds, etc for any shit we may have left behind. There was/is no doubt in my mind that someone took it from the hotel room, whether it was a chambermaid or someone with access to a keycard. The hotel chain eventually reimbursed me for half the value of the scarf but linked it to the fact my complaint took so many phone calls to resolve. These scumbags prey on peoples absentmindedness and the fact that they have switched off for their holidays.
Quote from: orangeman on January 12, 2011, 05:27:16 PM
The prime suspect in the murder of Michaela McAreavey has confessed to the crime.
Twenty-nine-year-old Avinash Treebhoowoon, from Plaines des Roches, is a room attendant at the Legends Hotel.
A second hotel worker was also charged with murder while a third was charged with conspiracy to murder.
Local reporter Mayessen Nagapachetty says Mr Treboowoon confessed in the past hour.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/prime-suspect-confesses-to-michaelas-murder-489069.html#ixzz1AqKTLZTo
Sickening even seeing that picture.
Quote from: Franko on January 12, 2011, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 12, 2011, 05:03:26 PM
Just noticed an online Book of Condolences on Facebook has been desecrated. Sick.
By who or for what reason?
Some scum calling himself Lenny Murphy.
Horrible.
According to a Mauritian lawyer interviewed on RTE, such confessions are often withdrawn at the court stage. The police may be a bit robust in their questioning.
I don't think the police should have any real problem getting the right people for this atrocity, there would be restricted range of people in the area at the time. No need to round up the usual suspects.
This is the tragedy, there was no never a real chance of the culprits getting away with this, which makes the killing pointless. When interruted, they could have simply pretended to be fixing the air conditioning or whatever and left. Even if suspicion of theft arose subsequently the penalities for stealing watches etc would probably be modest enough, especially if they weren't actually caught in the act. Sad.
now 2 confessions
Police in Mauritius have told RTÉ that two of the three men charged in the Michaela McAreavey case have admitted murdering the 27-year-old Irishwoman.
The 27-year-old daughter of Tyrone football manager Mickey Harte was found dead at her hotel while on honeymoon on the Indian Ocean island.
Avinash Treebhoowoon, 29, Sandip Moneea, 41, and Raj Theekoy, 33, appeared in court in Mauritius this morning.
The three men are from Mauritius and are employees of the hotel where the McAreaveys were staying - two of the men are room attendants and the third is a supervisor.
During a brief hearing they spoke only to confirm their names, addresses and dates of birth.
cut the fukers throats
I just hope those are the right people and not someone that got a confession beat out of them.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 12, 2011, 05:03:26 PM
Just noticed an online Book of Condolences on Facebook has been desecrated. Sick.
Been in contact with the Tyrone County Board and it has now been removed and "Lenny" is blocked.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 12, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
I just hope those are the right people and not someone that got a confession beat out of them.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2011, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 12, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
I just hope those are the right people and not someone that got a confession beat out of them.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Me too!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 12, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
I just hope those are the right people and not someone that got a confession beat out of them.
100% spot on.
Quote from: the waffler on January 12, 2011, 06:00:50 PM
cut the fukers throats
That would be revenge, not justice.
BBC claiming there have been no confessions.
One would hope, if there have been confessions at all, that that was the only option left open to them in the face of utterly overwhelming and compelling evidence; like their DNA (skin) under Michaela's fingernails.
On rte 6.1 news ... One of the accused claimed police brutality and was sent to a doctor for examination. According to the police no evidence of any mistreatment was found.
Hope this dosen't turn into a thread for expressing our thoughts of what we would like to do to these men...We should try and keep it dignified lads no matter how angry some of us feel
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 12, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
One would hope, if there have been confessions at all, that that was the only option left open to them in the face of utterly overwhelming and compelling evidence; like their DNA (skin) under Michaela's fingernails.
Surely there'd be no DNA results so soon after they were arrested?
Ignoring the emotion so clearly attached to this case, these men deserve a fair trial like anyone else.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 12, 2011, 05:36:53 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 12, 2011, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 12, 2011, 05:03:26 PM
Just noticed an online Book of Condolences on Facebook has been desecrated. Sick.
By who or for what reason?
Some scum calling himself Lenny Murphy.
Using the name of the chief shankill butcher. What a tr**p. No doubt hatred of the gaa and all connected to it extends even to this. Very sad.
Quote from: gallsman on January 12, 2011, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 12, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
One would hope, if there have been confessions at all, that that was the only option left open to them in the face of utterly overwhelming and compelling evidence; like their DNA (skin) under Michaela's fingernails.
Surely there'd be no DNA results so soon after they were arrested?
Agreed, but if it
is their DNA that's involved, then it
should only be a matter of time. And if they're guilty, they'll know exactly whose DNA it is.
What did he post?
It probably isn't worth repeating as I would say the thread would digress at a rate of knots.
You are probably right minder, I can only imagine what it was like with someone calling himself Lenny Murphy
Was listening to the Chief of police the other day, he more or less said they had no hi-tec methods for investigations and they usually got the suspects to "confess"
Sick bastards, even at times like this the sectarian bitterness shines through.
Best not wasting time posting about this.
After I posted that milltown, that's what I said to myself, not worth it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
Best not wasting time posting about this.
exactly, every poster on here has acted with dignity in the aftermath of Michaela's death. Lets not let some sicko bastard ruin it.
I hope like the vast majority for decent people that any convictions are based on hard evidence and not just confessions,
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 12, 2011, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
Best not wasting time posting about this.
exactly, every poster on here has acted with dignity in the aftermath of Michaela's death. Lets not let some sicko b**tard ruin it.
I was only mentioning it to see if anyone can think of a way to get rid of it? I wasn't trying to be sick or anything myself.
I am a good friend of the couple, was at the wedding last week, that is the last thing I would want.
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 12, 2011, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 12, 2011, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
Best not wasting time posting about this.
exactly, every poster on here has acted with dignity in the aftermath of Michaela's death. Lets not let some sicko b**tard ruin it.
I was only mentioning it to see if anyone can think of a way to get rid of it? I wasn't trying to be sick or anything myself.
I am a good friend of the couple, was at the wedding last week, that is the last thing I would want.
not you lad, that **** on facebook. As i said 100% of our posters have been sincere, and i know from your posts you were obviously connected to John McAreavey. You can be our spokes person from here to convey our sympathy
QuotePolice said the case against the men was circumstantial but that DNA taken from the fingernails of the woman, Michaela McAreavey, was being examined.
I imagine a lot of stuff will be sent to appropriate labs, which will take a while to fully process.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 12, 2011, 09:50:43 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 12, 2011, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 12, 2011, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
Best not wasting time posting about this.
exactly, every poster on here has acted with dignity in the aftermath of Michaela's death. Lets not let some sicko b**tard ruin it.
I was only mentioning it to see if anyone can think of a way to get rid of it? I wasn't trying to be sick or anything myself.
I am a good friend of the couple, was at the wedding last week, that is the last thing I would want.
not you lad, that **** on facebook. As i said 100% of our posters have been sincere, and i know from your posts you were obviously connected to John McAreavey. You can be our spokes person from here to convey our sympathy
Don't worry I will. I have text him so far just, waiting until he gets home to see him to talk to him properly though for the life of me I really can't think of what to say. Suppose it will just come.
The two quotes below are posts I put on the condolences thread. I have removed them now.
Just to qualify here as I didn't want to get to involved in the other thread.
QuoteThey should face trial first. Probablys do no one justice
This was in reference to a poster suggesting something that '
probably' happened and then seeking justice for it. Regardless of what we know we must assume we know very little. Either that or we could end up with anything we want and demand someone pay the price for it.
QuoteI doubt it if we can tell anything. I think it's best if we don't come to conclusions or hope to point out things that the local police may or may not have missed at this stage.
I doubt if we will ever be qualified to do that and will end up adding hysteria to the details of the investigation we might have. The police may have a confession for all we know
This was a post to ask not to be offering up what we think the motive might and questioning the police investigation when we know little or nothing about it. I just think that the information must come here from Mauritius. If we try to send it the other way we will be very disappointed.
Quote from: 02 on January 12, 2011, 06:24:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2011, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 12, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
I just hope those are the right people and not someone that got a confession beat out of them.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Me too!
Yes, its not about punishing someone, its about getting the real scumbags (if they have got the right ones, thats great, hopefully if they do they won't have done anything to impeded justice being done).
If they had a scam going whereby they did minor robberies on guests using staff room keys they could have been doing it for ages. However when an investigation starts their personal room keys would leave records as to what time they entered which room. (Some hotels store data such as your credit card number on your room key, there are supposed to wipe them but just in case I never return mine).
If there are records showing them entering the room a few minutes before Michaela they are in trouble.
If their staff duties show no reason for being in the room (e.g. it had been made up earlier in the day) they are in big trouble.
Different police forces might use confessions which we might find strange but there might be evidence such as the above that means the police have the correct people anyway.
Petty theft in a tourist's room is one thing, but why the hell did it have to progress to murder!
The chances of walking in on a burglary are slim, but upon doing so, I would have thought most thieves would just leg it, why murder! The frustrating thing is that this should have been so much more straight forward and we should have been reading a small piece on page 11 of the Irish News of John & Michaela McAreavey's room being burgled while on honeymoon, and nothing more, that's if it even made the press.
Instead we have the needless death of a young lady at the start of her married life, a husband a widower after less than 2 weeks and countless lives shattered. Two weeks ago today they were married ... words are not enough.
Perhaps they knew that she would recognise them (I presume she would have seen them round the place) and paniced.
My missus wouldn't be a massive GAA fan but she was crying again last night thinking about this. It's amazing the way it seems to have affected so many people that wouldn't have had any kind of connection to Michaela or John or to any of the families.
As reported on RTE on the Pat Kenny show it appears that this tragedy results from a combination of people both evil and grossly incompetant. The two charged with murder were in the room, Micheala disturbed them and was murdered. The third guy charged was a cleaner or the like and he heard the rumpus, and met the two killers who told him to say nothing. Sadly if one of the killers had gone to loot the room and the other simply stood watch at the lift, we would not have this tragedy.
Eamon Morgan from Tullylish on Pat Kenny now.
I think it is an absolute disgrace that UTV are worried about how this would affect the Tourism Industry in Mauritius.
Who gives a flying f**k.
Also them having the cheek to ask Adrian Logan to do an interview just after they got rid of him.
UTV hang your heads in shame.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2011, 10:56:48 AM
As reported on RTE on the Pat Kenny show it appears that this tragedy results from a combination of people both evil and grossly incompetant. The two charged with murder were in the room, Micheala disturbed them and was murdered. The third guy charged was a cleaner or the like and he heard the rumpus, and met the two killers who told him to say nothing. Sadly if one of the killers had gone to loot the room and the other simply stood watch at the lift, we would not have this tragedy.
Eamon Morgan from Tullylish on Pat Kenny now.
What was Eamon saying on it?
QuoteWhat was Eamon saying on it?
it was just a bit of background from one of John's friends. He said that as John's friend that he had known Michaela for years and that she had been increasingly involved in Tullylish. He said that the Tullylish community would rally around the McAreaveys and help as best they could.
Quote from: razor on January 13, 2011, 11:37:54 AM
I think it is an absolute disgrace that UTV are worried about how this would affect the Tourism Industry in Mauritius.
Who gives a flying f**k.
Also them having the cheek to ask Adrian Logan to do an interview just after they got rid of him.
UTV hang your heads in shame.
Hadnt intedned on posting on this thread but cant let this go.
Logan was asked by the family to do the interview so that after it they could be left in peace. He is known to the family and hence this interview was published across the media and not just on UTV.
Please get you facts straight before posting rubbish on such a sensitive thread.
I see the Mauritius police have the same standards of evidence gathering as the police in India.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0113/breaking5.html
Barrister S Ravi Rutnah asked the magistrate if his client, Avinash Treebhoowoon, could address the court in relation to an alleged assault he had suffered at the hands of the police while he was in custody. According to Mr Treebhoowoon, he was brought to the office of the major crime investigation team where he was hit around the ears before being beaten with a hose on his feet. "They undressed me and lay me on a table and with a water hose they beat me on the bottom of my feet. They then put a towel over my head and beat, choked and kicked me," he claimed. The barrister called on the court to immediately take his client for a medical examination to ascertain if there were signs of any injuries. "An atrocious crime has been committed and our country is now being watched by the international community. Our name has been tarnished and if the police start acting like this what will be left of our country," he said to the court. The magistrate agreed that Mr Treebhoowoon should be sent for a medical examination and she called for an investigation into the allegations. Speaking outside the court, Mr Treebhoowoon's new wife Reshma, who had spoken to her husband, said: "He insisted he was innocent and that he has not committed this awful crime," she said.
We don't know the ins and outs of this and may never know.
I understand thieving on a small scale goes on in some hotels, especially in major tourist hubs. Usually a small amount of money here, an item of clothing there, a pair of sunglasses etc, nothing major but accumulating over time a significant "bonus" to the perpetrators. What I dont understand is how this became murder.
Surely if the staff member was disturbed he could pretend to have "business" in the room? Report of noise, a leak, we tried to contact you but we needed to get in. Someone like this could surely think on their feet and go on? It's crazy. As an outsider looking in I am interested to know what happened, I'm sure the family are wrecking their heads over it.
God bless everyone involved here and I hope and pray they find some comfort from each other over the weeks and months ahead. RIP.
Quote from: The Iceman on January 13, 2011, 03:19:47 PM
We don't know the ins and outs of this and may never know.
I understand thieving on a small scale goes on in some hotels, especially in major tourist hubs. Usually a small amount of money here, an item of clothing there, a pair of sunglasses etc, nothing major but accumulating over time a significant "bonus" to the perpetrators. What I dont understand is how this became murder.
Surely if the staff member was disturbed he could pretend to have "business" in the room? Report of noise, a leak, we tried to contact you but we needed to get in. Someone like this could surely think on their feet and go on? It's crazy. As an outsider looking in I am interested to know what happened, I'm sure the family are wrecking their heads over it.
You would imagine that they would have had a reasonably credible story ready in the event that they were caught inside a resident's room.
Tragically in this case it looks like they panicked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12180402
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Police in Mauritius have said that one of the three men charged in connection with the murder of Michaela McAreavey has confessed to the killing.
Mrs McAreavey, 27, daughter of Tyrone Gaelic football boss Mickey Harte, was found murdered in her honeymoon hotel room on the island on Monday.
Avinash Treebhoowoon, 29, appeared in court on Wednesday, along with two others.
Police told the BBC on Thursday he had confessed to the killing.
It followed the revelation that a lawyer for Raj Theekoy, who is charged with conspiracy to murder, said his client had spoken to police and implicated the other two men.
Sandip Moneea, 41, and Mr Treebhoowoon appeared in court on Wednesday accused of her murder.
All three were remanded in police custody for a week and will return to court next Wednesday, when they are expected either to be formally charged or released.
BBC Northern Ireland reporter, Mervyn Jess, who is in Mauritius, outlined the latest development on Thursday.
"This morning, the police say one of the men who is charged with the murder, Avinash Treebhoowoon, has come out and confessed, the police say, to the killing," he said.
Continue reading the main story
Mervyn Jess: BBC NI Reporter
This morning, the coffin containing the remains of Michaela McAreavey was driven away from the mortuary at Victoria Hospital, which is in a suburb of Port Louis, the capital of Mauritius.
There was no ceremony, there was nothing in the way of motorcycle outriders.
The coffin was taken then to the airport on the island and will remain there until a flight tonight, which will fly the body back to the UK.
Members of the family will accompany the body home.
"Police officers we have spoken to today say they are very pleased with the way this investigation is going and they think they are close to wrapping up this initial stage of the investigation.
"It will then move on to the preparing of evidence and the preparing of documents to go to the Director of Public Prosecutions on the island before any court case is heard."
He added that anyone convicted of murder in the "higher court" in Mauritius could face up to 47 years in prison, but that in the "lower court" a conviction of manslaughter carried a total sentence of up to 18 years in jail.
The body of Mrs McAreavey is expected to arrive in Northern Ireland from Mauritius on Friday.
It is understood her family hope to hold her funeral next Monday - in the same County Tyrone church where she married on 30 December.
'She is my life'
On Wednesday evening, a police chief in Mauritius told the Press Association that skin tissue found under the fingernails of Mrs McAreavey could prove crucial to the police case against the three men charged over her killing.
Mrs McAreavey's husband, John, has described her as "his rock".
Michaela Harte married John McAreavey on 30 December He said their hopes, dreams and future were gone and he had been left heartbroken and totally devastated.
"I love my wife, very, very much and my world revolved around her.
"I can't describe in words how lost I feel as Michaela is not just the light of my life - she is my life," Mr McAreavey said.
The funeral mass is expected to take place at St Malachy's in Ballymacilroy near the Harte family home in County Tyrone.
QuoteSurely if the staff member was disturbed he could pretend to have "business" in the room? Report of noise, a leak, we tried to contact you but we needed to get in. Someone like this could surely think on their feet and go on? It's crazy. As an outsider looking in I am interested to know what happened, I'm sure the family are wrecking their heads over it.
You would imagine that they would have had a reasonably credible story ready in the event that they were caught inside a resident's room.
Tragically in this case it looks like they panicked.
I wouldn't buy into that theory, they were animals and they acted like animals. Last May twelve month myselff and my family and friends attended a wedding in Spain and reneted a Villa and we went out for the night just down the road. A discussion arose why I didn't bring my camera for the night that was in it and a suggestion that one of the younger ones would go back and get it was not agreed. When we returned their were robbers inside the Villa but they ran out the back as we came in the front and the place was ransacked. They left behind them a long bladed knife and a poker from a fireplace on one of the beds. Not the kind of implements you would use to explain you were fixing a leak. They didn't have to kill poor Michaela but they choose to. I hope they rot in jail and that every day is a day in hell for them. There should be a second court case and that should be against the company that own the hotel who should nbe sued for millions for allowing the staff to have the duplicate card swipe .
Quote from: The Iceman on January 13, 2011, 03:19:47 PM
We don't know the ins and outs of this and may never know.
I understand thieving on a small scale goes on in some hotels, especially in major tourist hubs. Usually a small amount of money here, an item of clothing there, a pair of sunglasses etc, nothing major but accumulating over time a significant "bonus" to the perpetrators. What I dont understand is how this became murder.
Surely if the staff member was disturbed he could pretend to have "business" in the room? Report of noise, a leak, we tried to contact you but we needed to get in. Someone like this could surely think on their feet and go on? It's crazy. As an outsider looking in I am interested to know what happened, I'm sure the family are wrecking their heads over it.
God bless everyone involved here and I hope and pray they find some comfort from each other over the weeks and months ahead. RIP.
A friend of mine was on her honeymoon in Mauritius in autumn time and had £220 stolen from the room. I'm sure it does happen all the time. As you said, madness that they had to kill her
In relation to the use of card keys by staff members; i was recently staying in a hotel room in derry and was locked out of room. There was a cleaner on the corridor and i asked could she open my door. she then produced a master key which worked. God knows how many other staff could have gained access to my room when i wasnt there.
what im thinking is how do hotels control who has access to each room? should there be more stringent access to master keys, i.e. only one copy to be held by the duty mananger in each hotel?
Quote from: Bud Wiser on January 13, 2011, 04:39:55 PM
QuoteSurely if the staff member was disturbed he could pretend to have "business" in the room? Report of noise, a leak, we tried to contact you but we needed to get in. Someone like this could surely think on their feet and go on? It's crazy. As an outsider looking in I am interested to know what happened, I'm sure the family are wrecking their heads over it.
You would imagine that they would have had a reasonably credible story ready in the event that they were caught inside a resident's room.
Tragically in this case it looks like they panicked.
I wouldn't buy into that theory, they were animals and they acted like animals. Last May twelve month myselff and my family and friends attended a wedding in Spain and reneted a Villa and we went out for the night just down the road. A discussion arose why I didn't bring my camera for the night that was in it and a suggestion that one of the younger ones would go back and get it was not agreed. When we returned their were robbers inside the Villa but they ran out the back as we came in the front and the place was ransacked. They left behind them a long bladed knife and a poker from a fireplace on one of the beds. Not the kind of implements you would use to explain you were fixing a leak. They didn't have to kill poor Michaela but they choose to. I hope they rot in jail and that every day is a day in hell for them. There should be a second court case and that should be against the company that own the hotel who should nbe sued for millions for allowing the staff to have the duplicate card swipe .
Bud I think your example is a little different. These were not thieves preying on Villas. These were hotel staff preying on guests.
I don't think the motive was theft.
With regard to hotel key cards I think there may be policies but in the service industry a lot of these are overlooked for efficiency purposes. Cleaners have access to rooms, night porters, managers, maintenance.....
Most staff will have access to rooms in a hotel. The master key will have its own code and the managers would know who has entered the room when it has been swiped.
Staff in all jobs will come across the opportunity of handling money, 99.9% of people will not even think about it. Staff (cleaner or manager) in hotels are trusted to carry out their duties and do it well, we shouldn't really think they will all steal from your room
Speaking of the subject card keys i had An experience I will never forget!
in a Dublin Airport hotel a few years ago! around 6am a young drunk man entered our room shouting at the top of his voice. He managed to enter our room by using different keycard to ours which somehow opened our "locked door". He then proceeded to jump on my bed until i told him to leave (in a nice way, lol). We then rang the front desk and security later picked him up wandering the halls, claiming our room was actually his.
I complained to the manager the next morning & got a shallow apology he even joked "Shame the drunk wasn't a girl"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12185741 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12185741)
Never heard of having a reconstruction a few days after the crime.
Quote from: The Worker on January 13, 2011, 06:00:59 PM
In relation to the use of card keys by staff members; i was recently staying in a hotel room in derry and was locked out of room. There was a cleaner on the corridor and i asked could she open my door. she then produced a master key which worked. God knows how many other staff could have gained access to my room when i wasnt there.
what im thinking is how do hotels control who has access to each room? should there be more stringent access to master keys, i.e. only one copy to be held by the duty mananger in each hotel?
So you either expect the duty manager to go with every cleaner and open the doors ? Maybe a crew of cleanign fairys would do the job?
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 13, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12185741 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12185741)
Never heard of having a reconstruction a few days after the crime.
Did they not do it in Australia after a lone gun man shot dead 7/8 people and they made him do a reconstruction of how he killed the people?
The way I look at it is you hope that the cleaners don't steal from you because they will be too afraid of losing their job, a job they obviously depend on.
Michaela McAreavey was strangled over a purse containing a small amount of cash, it was revealed tonight.
As the body of the 27-year-old newlywed began its journey home, detectives on the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius said the burglars-turned-killers she interrupted in her hotel room were rummaging for a purse.
The price over which the teacher lost her life emerged after police told reporters that one of the three hotel workers charged in connection with the murder had confessed.
It is understood that room attendant Avinash Treebhoowoon, 29, admitted the crime to officers after one of his co-accused and fellow room attendant Raj Theekoy, 33, made a statement implicating him and the third accused, floor supervisor Sandip Moneea, 41.
Treebhoowoon and Moneea, who are alleged to have carried out the killing, face murder charges.
Police sources believe they returned to rob the room after spotting the purse in the couple's room while cleaning the day before.
Theekoy, who is charged with conspiracy, is alleged to have passed along the corridor outside the room in the luxury Legends Hotel while the struggle was taking place but, despite hearing screams, did nothing to stop it.
"Avinash Treebhoowoon has confessed," said a spokesman for the Mauritian Police Force.
"Further investigations will continue tomorrow."
Mrs McAreavey, who married husband John just 10 days before her death, was the daughter of Tyrone football manager Mickey Harte.
Two of the accused were forced to take part in a reconstruction of the crime at the hotel complex today.
A flight carrying the body of the Irish language teacher was due to leave the island tonight en route to London. Her remains are expected to be back in the Harte family home near Ballygawley, Co Tyrone by tomorrow lunchtime.
It is expected her funeral will take place on Monday at St Malachy's chapel near the home – the same church where she wed only weeks ago.
Last night, 30-year-old Mr McAreavey described his late wife as his best friend who was the "rock" of his life.
The Co Down footballer said he shared his pain with Mrs McAreavey's parents, Mickey and Marian, and her three brothers.
"She is a gift from God and I now have an angel," he said.
"I can't describe in words how lost I feel as Michaela is not just the light of my life – she is my life."
He added: "Our hopes, our dreams and our future together are gone. I love my wife, very, very much and my world revolved around her."
Irish Ambassador in South Africa Brendan McMahon, who is on the holiday island, said it had been extremely painful for Mr McAreavey, whose brother, brother-in-law and father arrived yesterday to support him. They were due to attend a memorial service at the hotel today.
"John is absolutely devastated. It is very upsetting. It's not an easy situation at all," Mr McMahon said.
The ambassador said the killing had sent a shockwave across Mauritius, with staff at the Legends Hotel stunned.
Mrs McAreavey was strangled in her room on Monday and her body – discovered by her husband – left in the bath.
It is understood skin tissue found under her fingernails could prove crucial to the police case against the accused.
DNA tests on forensic evidence recovered from her body are due to be completed by the end of the week.
The newlywed fought for her life against her attacker in her room, according to the police.
The three defendants were yesterday remanded in police custody for a week to return to Mapou District Court next Wednesday, when they are expected either to be formally charged or released.
Any future trial is expected to be held within six months.
In my opinion this thread should be removed. Her funeral hasnt even taken place yet. A bit of respect please.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 13, 2011, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 13, 2011, 03:19:47 PM
We don't know the ins and outs of this and may never know.
I understand thieving on a small scale goes on in some hotels, especially in major tourist hubs. Usually a small amount of money here, an item of clothing there, a pair of sunglasses etc, nothing major but accumulating over time a significant "bonus" to the perpetrators. What I dont understand is how this became murder.
Surely if the staff member was disturbed he could pretend to have "business" in the room? Report of noise, a leak, we tried to contact you but we needed to get in. Someone like this could surely think on their feet and go on? It's crazy. As an outsider looking in I am interested to know what happened, I'm sure the family are wrecking their heads over it.
You would imagine that they would have had a reasonably credible story ready in the event that they were caught inside a resident's room.
Tragically in this case it looks like they panicked.
I'd say they were so well practised and blasé about it, and had executed their little robberies with impunity for so long, that they got out of the way of thinking of the possibility of a guest returning and catching them
in flagrante delicto that they did indeed panic when Michaela returned. That can't excuse, however, the fact that they attacked her with murderous intent once rumbled.
QuoteThe way I look at it is you hope that the cleaners don't steal from you because they will be too afraid of losing their job, a job they obviously depend on.
Which is reasonable in most cases. Alas, poor Michaela met some that didn't have a rational view of the situation.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on January 13, 2011, 09:14:24 PM
In my opinion this thread should be removed. Her funeral hasnt even taken place yet. A bit of respect please.
Where is the lack of respect?
I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway. I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it. I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on January 13, 2011, 09:14:24 PM
In my opinion this thread should be removed. Her funeral hasnt even taken place yet. A bit of respect please.
I didn't see any post from you on here http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18237.0 yet you think there's lack of respect on this thread?
Your like a bunch of morbid cats feasting on the misery of others for a bit of gossip. You could at least wait until after her funeral. Ross4life I left my commiseration on the facebook page.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 13, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway. I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it. I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.
Yeah, sure a lot of countries think we live in mud houses and farm for potatoes and think we still travel to the states in a boat!!
BTW Pete, shut up, morbid cats!!! explain?
I'll say nothing more on this page but you could at least have the decency to lock it until a while after the funeral. Is it any wonder the Journalist consider this a low brow website.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 13, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway. I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it. I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.
I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on January 13, 2011, 09:40:55 PM
I'll say nothing more on this page but you could at least have the decency to lock it until a while after the funeral. Is it any wonder the Journalist consider this a low brow website.
I presume you've contacted the Mauritian authorities too, about the disrespect they're showing by engaging in the criminal process before the funeral?
Boys stop giving oxygen to this gobshite.
Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 13, 2011, 09:44:41 PM
Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.
This time I don't think he is. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having speculated as to what exactly happened as soon as I heard the news and my thoughts turned to the British girl in South Africa and the link of her husband - shows just how dangerous the pre-emptive blame game can be.
Ross, people can show respect whatever way they want - the fact he didn't post on a thread on an insignificant internet forum means absolutely nothing.
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 09:52:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 13, 2011, 09:44:41 PM
Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.
This time I don't think he is. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having speculated as to what exactly happened as soon as I heard the news and my thoughts turned to the British girl in South Africa and the link of her husband - shows just how dangerous the pre-emptive blame game can be.
Ross, people can show respect whatever way they want - the fact he didn't post on a thread on an insignificant internet forum means absolutely nothing.
Absolutely. It isn't a competition.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2011, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 13, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway. I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it. I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.
I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.
The Birmingham 6 admitted their 'guilt' too, as did the Guildford 4. I don't know if these men are guilty or not, but I do know that the police on the case are under a huge amount of pressure to wrap it up quickly and get a conviction. That can lead to miscarriages of justice.
Lads, PSTG has form for acting the WUM at the most inappropriate of times.
He did the same on a Mayo club football thread after a tragic death. Sad, sad character.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 13, 2011, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2011, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 13, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway. I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it. I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.
I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.
The Birmingham 6 admitted their 'guilt' too, as did the Guildford 4. I don't know if these men are guilty or not, but I do know that the police on the case are under a huge amount of pressure to wrap it up quickly and get a conviction. That can lead to miscarriages of justice.
They have DNA from under Michaela's fingernails, somewhat more reliable than Frank Skuse's Griess test, and they don't have a smidgen of the marks of the 6 or 4 on their persons. Not denying that the authorities are a bit too desperate for a conviction, but in any event the DNA tests will confirm (or rebut).
Quote from: Tubberman on January 13, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
Lads, PSTG has form for acting the WUM at the most inappropriate of times.
He did the same on a Mayo club football thread after a tragic death. Sad, sad character.
absolutely the cheek of me I said Castlebar Mitchels played crap in the county final. I have no shame.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on January 13, 2011, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 13, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
Lads, PSTG has form for acting the WUM at the most inappropriate of times.
He did the same on a Mayo club football thread after a tragic death. Sad, sad character.
absolutely the cheek of me I said Castlebar Mitchels played crap in the county final. I have no shame.
A liar
and a WUM:
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on January 13, 2011, 09:40:55 PM
I'll say nothing more on this page but you could at least have the decency to lock it until a while after the funeral. Is it any wonder the Journalist consider this a low brow website.
You fellows call me a WUM, when you all try to rise me on every occasion.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2011, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 13, 2011, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2011, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 13, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway. I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it. I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.
I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.
The Birmingham 6 admitted their 'guilt' too, as did the Guildford 4. I don't know if these men are guilty or not, but I do know that the police on the case are under a huge amount of pressure to wrap it up quickly and get a conviction. That can lead to miscarriages of justice.
They have DNA from under Michaela's fingernails, somewhat more reliable than Frank Skuse's Griess test, and they don't have a smidgen of the marks of the 6 or 4 on their persons. Not denying that the authorities are a bit too desperate for a conviction, but in any event the DNA tests will confirm (or rebut).
Like we said yesterday - the fact that they have DNA is all we know. There has been no word of who it belongs to.
The men charged are entitled to a fair trial and if found guilty should be punished and sentenced accordingly. Speculating or presuming as to their guilt is no help whatsoever.
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:06:26 PM
Like we said yesterday - the fact that they have DNA is all we know. There has been no word of who it belongs to.
The men charged are entitled to a fair trial and if found guilty should be punished and sentenced accordingly. Speculating or presuming as to their guilt is no help whatsoever.
So you're saying that the admissions were coerced?
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2011, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 09:52:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 13, 2011, 09:44:41 PM
Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.
This time I don't think he is. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having speculated as to what exactly happened as soon as I heard the news and my thoughts turned to the British girl in South Africa and the link of her husband - shows just how dangerous the pre-emptive blame game can be.
Ross, people can show respect whatever way they want - the fact he didn't post on a thread on an insignificant internet forum means absolutely nothing.
Absolutely. It isn't a competition.
Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.
IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.
IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it
Because it's not up to you (or anyone) to judge his respect or place some form of benchmark or standard.
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2011, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 09:52:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 13, 2011, 09:44:41 PM
Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.
This time I don't think he is. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having speculated as to what exactly happened as soon as I heard the news and my thoughts turned to the British girl in South Africa and the link of her husband - shows just how dangerous the pre-emptive blame game can be.
Ross, people can show respect whatever way they want - the fact he didn't post on a thread on an insignificant internet forum means absolutely nothing.
Absolutely. It isn't a competition.
Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.
Thats exactly why I posted here because there is no respect.
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.
IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it
Because it's not up to you (or anyone) to judge his respect or place some form of benchmark or standard.
Or either is it up to him (or anyone) to question lack of respect in this thread. let the mods decide if the thread needs to be locked,deleted etc...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2011, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on January 13, 2011, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2011, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 13, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway. I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it. I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.
I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.
The Birmingham 6 admitted their 'guilt' too, as did the Guildford 4. I don't know if these men are guilty or not, but I do know that the police on the case are under a huge amount of pressure to wrap it up quickly and get a conviction. That can lead to miscarriages of justice.
They have DNA from under Michaela's fingernails, somewhat more reliable than Frank Skuse's Griess test, and they don't have a smidgen of the marks of the 6 or 4 on their persons. Not denying that the authorities are a bit too desperate for a conviction, but in any event the DNA tests will confirm (or rebut).
Hopefully you're right about the DNA. What worried me about the reconstruction was that it reminded me of what one of the Birmingham or Guildford ones said when recalling their forced confessions. He said that he wasn't too worried, because he knew that his confession didn't hang together, that when people came to look at it they'd realise that things couldn't have happened the way he said in his statement. When I read that the suspects were being used in a reconstruction, it occurred to me that this could be the police's way of making sure their statements did hang together, by walking them through events and constructing a credible scenario. I hope I'm wrong.
Fair point Myles, a miscarriage would compound the tragedy ten-fold.
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.
IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it
Because it's not up to you (or anyone) to judge his respect or place some form of benchmark or standard.
Or either is it up to him (or anyone) to question lack of respect in this thread. let the mods decide if the thread needs to be locked,deleted etc...
That's is opinion. In fairness the thread is titled "Michaela's Court Case" and was started barely a few days after the poor girl died - a while away from any court case. It could very easily be seen as a load of us baying for the blood of her killers instead of showing her, her husband and their families the respect and privacy they deserve.
All it takes is one eejit to come out with a shocking statement, like the one a few days ago calling for the men's throats to be cut. We are a better society than that.
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.
IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it
Because it's not up to you (or anyone) to judge his respect or place some form of benchmark or standard.
Or either is it up to him (or anyone) to question lack of respect in this thread. let the mods decide if the thread needs to be locked,deleted etc...
That's is opinion. In fairness the thread is titled "Michaela's Court Case" and was started barely a few days after the poor girl died - a while away from any court case. It could very easily be seen as a load of us baying for the blood of her killers instead of showing her, her husband and their families the respect and privacy they deserve.
All it takes is one eejit to come out with a shocking statement, like the one a few days ago calling for the men's throats to be cut. We are a better society than that.
That's true but most of what's written here is already in the main-frame media & I'm sure if any disrespectful post shows up a simple PM will get them removed.
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.
IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it
Because it's not up to you (or anyone) to judge his respect or place some form of benchmark or standard.
Or either is it up to him (or anyone) to question lack of respect in this thread. let the mods decide if the thread needs to be locked,deleted etc...
That's is opinion. In fairness the thread is titled "Michaela's Court Case" and was started barely a few days after the poor girl died - a while away from any court case. It could very easily be seen as a load of us baying for the blood of her killers instead of showing her, her husband and their families the respect and privacy they deserve.
All it takes is one eejit to come out with a shocking statement, like the one a few days ago calling for the men's throats to be cut. We are a better society than that.
That's true but most of what's written here is already in the main-frame media & I'm sure if any disrespectful post shows up a simple PM will get them removed.
We as a board community have no control over the mainstream media. We do have control over what appears on the board. While everybody wishes for swift justice, speculation and gossip does us all a disservice.
There is much talk of miscarriages on this thread. But in this case it seems that a limited number of people could have been involved, not at all the same as a case where the police haven't a clue where to start. The scenario put forward is plausible enough, in that the character not charged with murder seen the other two leaving the scene. When the pressure came on he would clearly be keen to emphasise that he didn't actually do it, so he would incriminate the other two. Leaving aside high tech DNA there could be old fashioned fingerprints and the like, these don't sound like the type of organised criminal that would not leave any traces.
I just think this was always a case where the culprits would be caught, which makes it more a tragedy that the murder did not benefit them in any way.
Quote from: muppet on January 13, 2011, 01:07:15 AM
If they had a scam going whereby they did minor robberies on guests using staff room keys they could have been doing it for ages. However when an investigation starts their personal room keys would leave records as to what time they entered which room. (Some hotels store data such as your credit card number on your room key, there are supposed to wipe them but just in case I never return mine).
If there are records showing them entering the room a few minutes before Michaela they are in trouble.
If their staff duties show no reason for being in the room (e.g. it had been made up earlier in the day) they are in big trouble.
Different police forces might use confessions which we might find strange but there might be evidence such as the above that means the police have the correct people anyway.
I think that another one for snopes Muppet.
Those Mauritian tourist-hotels are like old NI-army bases, no chance with checkpoints et al of getting in unless you work there. Tourists (i.e. you and me) are king. It had to be an inside job, hence the cops saying on Monday an early arrest was expected.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
There is much talk of miscarriages on this thread. But in this case it seems that a limited number of people could have been involved, not at all the same as a case where the police haven't a clue where to start. The scenario put forward is plausible enough, in that the character not charged with murder seen the other two leaving the scene. When the pressure came on he would clearly be keen to emphasise that he didn't actually do it, so he would incriminate the other two. Leaving aside high tech DNA there could be old fashioned fingerprints and the like, these don't sound like the type of organised criminal that would not leave any traces.
I just think this was always a case where the culprits would be caught, which makes it more a tragedy that the murder did not benefit them in any way.
The word
miscarriage will always be a powerfully emotive word for some Irish of a certain broad persuasion and time, and with good reason.
I think you're right though, there was a strictly limited pool of suspects (even if every employee in the hotel had access, potentially), it
should, in theory be a fairly straightforward piece of routine detective work to narrow that number down.
And here is the question: given that the cops have the DNA, why would anyone admit to a crime that they haven't committed in the knowledge that the DNA results will materialise sometime, in the relatively near future? Why put yourself through that hell unless you know that the DNA can only prove one thing, and that one thing is
not your innocence?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
There is much talk of miscarriages on this thread. But in this case it seems that a limited number of people could have been involved, not at all the same as a case where the police haven't a clue where to start. The scenario put forward is plausible enough, in that the character not charged with murder seen the other two leaving the scene. When the pressure came on he would clearly be keen to emphasise that he didn't actually do it, so he would incriminate the other two. Leaving aside high tech DNA there could be old fashioned fingerprints and the like, these don't sound like the type of organised criminal that would not leave any traces.
I just think this was always a case where the culprits would be caught, which makes it more a tragedy that the murder did not benefit them in any way.
The word miscarriage will always be a powerfully emotive word for some Irish of a certain broad persuasion and time, and with good reason.
I think you're right though, there was a strictly limited pool of suspects (even if every employee in the hotel had access, potentially), it should, in theory be a fairly straightforward piece of routine detective work to narrow that number down.
And here is the question: given that the cops have the DNA, why would anyone admit to a crime that they haven't committed in the knowledge that the DNA results will materialise sometime, in the relatively near future? Why put yourself through that hell unless you know that the DNA can only prove one thing, and that one thing is not your innocence?
One potential explanation, as people can on this island can testify to, is that confessions and admissions can be extracted under duress. I find the whole idea of suspects reenacting the thing very strange altogether. The police want a swift and public conviction, which is fair enough provided they have proof that these men are guilty and aren't just serving them up to the world's media.
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 11:28:13 PM
One potential explanation, as people can on this island can testify to, is that confessions and admissions can be extracted under duress. I find the whole idea of suspects reenacting the thing very strange altogether. The police want a swift and public conviction, which is fair enough provided they have proof that these men are guilty and aren't just serving them up to the world's media.
One of the individual's lawyers had no difficulty alleging abuse at the hands of the police for his client on the first day of the trial, so it would seem that the legal representation is robust enough, and is facilitated to give voice.
I don't understand how anyone, and I'm taking that the DNA evidence as eventual admissible fact, can admit to a crime regardless of the duress (and there are no physical marks insofar as we can tell -- compare and contrast with the Birmingham 6), someone who has access to legal representation. That doesn't stack up for me, especially with the world's eye firmly fixed on proceedings. The more plausible scenario is the 3rd individual who's charged with conspiracy blowing the whistle on the other two -- unless all of those in the frame are at equal degrees of (potential) culpability that is always going to be a fatal weakness:
It followed the revelation that a lawyer for Raj Theekoy, who is charged with conspiracy to murder, said his client had spoken to police and implicated the other two men. So that's legal representation at play protecting his/her own client. And I accept fully that there's a small potential subset of guilty people here: the hotel's employees.
You get the impression that an allegation by lawyers of police abuse is an oft-used initial tactic to stall and complicate proceedings.
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 13, 2011, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 13, 2011, 01:07:15 AM
If they had a scam going whereby they did minor robberies on guests using staff room keys they could have been doing it for ages. However when an investigation starts their personal room keys would leave records as to what time they entered which room. (Some hotels store data such as your credit card number on your room key, there are supposed to wipe them but just in case I never return mine).
If there are records showing them entering the room a few minutes before Michaela they are in trouble.
If their staff duties show no reason for being in the room (e.g. it had been made up earlier in the day) they are in big trouble.
Different police forces might use confessions which we might find strange but there might be evidence such as the above that means the police have the correct people anyway.
I think that another one for snopes Muppet.
Probably, but they still can record who entered the room and when, and they recommend returning or destroying them after use.
Gallsman are you deliberately trying to act the WUM
From this...
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 13, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.
IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it
Because it's not up to you (or anyone) to judge his respect or place some form of benchmark or standard.
Or either is it up to him (or anyone) to question lack of respect in this thread. let the mods decide if the thread needs to be locked,deleted etc...
That's is opinion. In fairness the thread is titled "Michaela's Court Case" and was started barely a few days after the poor girl died - a while away from any court case. It could very easily be seen as a load of us baying for the blood of her killers instead of showing her, her husband and their families the respect and privacy they deserve.
All it takes is one eejit to come out with a shocking statement, like the one a few days ago calling for the men's throats to be cut. We are a better society than that.
That's true but most of what's written here is already in the main-frame media & I'm sure if any disrespectful post shows up a simple PM will get them removed.
We as a board community have no control over the mainstream media. We do have control over what appears on the board. While everybody wishes for swift justice, speculation and gossip does us all a disservice.
And a few moments later...
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2011, 11:28:13 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 13, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
There is much talk of miscarriages on this thread. But in this case it seems that a limited number of people could have been involved, not at all the same as a case where the police haven't a clue where to start. The scenario put forward is plausible enough, in that the character not charged with murder seen the other two leaving the scene. When the pressure came on he would clearly be keen to emphasise that he didn't actually do it, so he would incriminate the other two. Leaving aside high tech DNA there could be old fashioned fingerprints and the like, these don't sound like the type of organised criminal that would not leave any traces.
I just think this was always a case where the culprits would be caught, which makes it more a tragedy that the murder did not benefit them in any way.
The word miscarriage will always be a powerfully emotive word for some Irish of a certain broad persuasion and time, and with good reason.
I think you're right though, there was a strictly limited pool of suspects (even if every employee in the hotel had access, potentially), it should, in theory be a fairly straightforward piece of routine detective work to narrow that number down.
And here is the question: given that the cops have the DNA, why would anyone admit to a crime that they haven't committed in the knowledge that the DNA results will materialise sometime, in the relatively near future? Why put yourself through that hell unless you know that the DNA can only prove one thing, and that one thing is not your innocence?
One potential explanation, as people can on this island can testify to, is that confessions and admissions can be extracted under duress. I find the whole idea of suspects reenacting the thing very strange altogether. The police want a swift and public conviction, which is fair enough provided they have proof that these men are guilty and aren't just serving them up to the world's media.
What's the problem?
And how f**king dare you insinuate I'd act the WUM on a thread such as this you absolute cretin.
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
What's the problem?
And how f**king dare you insinuate I'd act the WUM on a thread such as this you absolute cretin.
I didnt insinuate it, I stated it.
Check the highlighted part - referring to speculation/gossip. Then have a look at the piece of speculation/gossip which you posted below.
If you are going to get on your high horse about the apparent 'lack of respect' that a thread like this shows then you could at least refrain from engaging in the very activity which you apparently deem 'disrespectful'.
No need for the language either.
Geez lads. No matter who's wrong or right or WUM'ing on this thread leave the point scoring and name calling for another day.
Everyone is seriously emotional, annoyed, disturbed, angry and a mixture of all of those. Therefore people's thoughts and messages they portray on here will fluctuate also day to day.
Let's not waste time over analysing each other, point scoring etc.
Leave that for another thread, day and time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12191227
How will the Mauritian justice system deal with the murder of Michaela McAreavey?
The murder of Michaela McAreavey on Mauritius has thrust the peaceful and relatively prosperous island nation into the media spotlight.
The country's prime minister has said the crime has made him consider reintroducing the death penalty.
So how will the country's legal system deal with the three men charged in connection with Mrs McAreavy's murder?
Although it gained independence in 1968, Mauritius has a legal system heavily influenced by its colonial past. Between 1715 and 1810 the island was a French possession and as such was ruled according to French Law.
The Napoleonic Code, also known as the French Civil Code, was introduced after 1804 and when the British won possession of the island from the French in 1810 that legal system was kept in place.
Over the years of British rule elements of English common law were adopted and the current legal system is a combination of French and English systems. Mauritius is still a member of the British Commonwealth and the country's supreme court of appeal is the Privy Council in London.
The Indian Ocean country is recognised by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) as a "stable democracy with regular free elections, a free press, the rule of law and a positive human-rights record".
''Judicial inquiry"
The suspects accused of murdering Mrs McAreavy could be held on remand for up to a year as the police and prosecutors build a case against them.
Ashveen Gopee, a barrister on the island, said once police believe they have enough evidence against an arrested person, they would lodge a provisional charge of murder at a district court.
The case is heard by a magistrate, who is a trained lawyer, not a lay person.
"Bail acts are also similar to British law so the person would probably be denied bail," said Mr Ashveen.
"A judicial inquiry will then be carried out by police officers and the case will be called back by the magistrate at different stages to see how the investigation is continuing."
A formal charge of murder, or a lesser charge, is lodged against the person in a follow-up hearing.
On occasion, a magistrate will strike out a case over a lack of evidence against a suspect.
According to Mr Gopee a suspect can be held in a police cell for 21 days, after which time he or she must be sent to a jail until the case goes to trial.
Murder cases are usually tried before a jury at the Assizes Court of Mauritius.
BBC Northern Ireland reporter, Mervyn Jess, who is in Mauritius, said that now the police have a confession there will be a pooling together of all the evidence which will then be put to the director of public prosecutions.
"The DPP will then decide whether or not the two men charged with murder will face those charges in court or whether they will face a lesser charge," he said.
"If they are found guilty of murder they face up to 45 years in jail. If they are instead found guilty of manslaughter they face up to 18 years in jail."
Quote from: Franko on January 14, 2011, 01:56:09 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
What's the problem?
And how f**king dare you insinuate I'd act the WUM on a thread such as this you absolute cretin.
I didnt insinuate it, I stated it.
Check the highlighted part - referring to speculation/gossip. Then have a look at the piece of speculation/gossip which you posted below.
If you are going to get on your high horse about the apparent 'lack of respect' that a thread like this shows then you could at least refrain from engaging in the very activity which you apparently deem 'disrespectful'.
No need for the language either.
What I was illustrating was the fact that there are currently any number of scenarios that could have led the investigation to this point, each as plausible as the other whether or not we like to admit it, hence the urge to avoid speculating as do what did and may happen.
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2011, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 14, 2011, 01:56:09 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
What's the problem?
And how f**king dare you insinuate I'd act the WUM on a thread such as this you absolute cretin.
I didnt insinuate it, I stated it.
Check the highlighted part - referring to speculation/gossip. Then have a look at the piece of speculation/gossip which you posted below.
If you are going to get on your high horse about the apparent 'lack of respect' that a thread like this shows then you could at least refrain from engaging in the very activity which you apparently deem 'disrespectful'.
No need for the language either.
What I was illustrating was the fact that there are currently any number of scenarios that could have led the investigation to this point, each as plausible as the other whether or not we like to admit it, hence the urge to avoid speculating as do what did and may happen.
Ok, The point of this thread is what again...can this be locked or better yet deleted :(
I believe the intent of the thread was to avoid such speculation from appearing on the main thread with the tributes.
However, given the way its going it would probably be better to lock it
(jesus, Things are bad when I'm the one that has to act the diplomat !)
I've added a poll above, and that'll determine what's to be done with the thread.
Thats fair enough
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on January 14, 2011, 06:49:01 PM
I believe the intent of the thread was to avoid such speculation from appearing on the main thread with the tributes.
However, given the way its going it would probably be better to lock it
(jesus, Things are bad when I'm the one that has to act the diplomat !)
i believed this too.
To those who want it deleted or locked, do you think we shouldn't be discussing the investigation/legal proceedings or what? I don't understand.
With media articles appearing, someone is going to link to one and so a similar thread will restart in any case. That said some of the contributions have not been postive, notably those advocating draconian punishments or claiming that the Mauritius authorities are too backward to investigate, when by and large we know little about the situation.
Thats fine. we all should ignore such remarks and carry on with discussing thread title.
Did you see the wife of one of the suspects on? She (as she would) claimed there's no way her husband could have done such a thing. His mother seemed more resigned.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 14, 2011, 07:50:53 PM
With media articles appearing, someone is going to link to one and so a similar thread will restart in any case. That said some of the contributions have not been postive, notably those advocating draconian punishments or claiming that the Mauritius authorities are too backward to investigate, when by and large we know little about the situation.
The sad thing being that even the President of Mauritius has fallen to the same base instincts.
It was also a little off putting to see some of the undertaker's staff on the front page of the Irish News today advertising their business on his t shirt while handling the remains.
Quote from: ONeill on January 14, 2011, 08:23:10 PM
Did you see the wife of one of the suspects on? She (as she would) claimed there's no way her husband could have done such a thing. His mother seemed more resigned.
Victims too.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 14, 2011, 07:38:11 PM
To those who want it deleted or locked, do you think we shouldn't be discussing the investigation/legal proceedings or what? I don't understand.
Do any of ye ever stop for a minute and think with the fact that some of the opinions on here make for fairly painful reading
and maybe, just maybe God forbid, some of the family members log in to it ... I just think it's unnecessary, does the speculation
really help anyone in anyway ???
Just my opinion and hence the reason I voted to have it deleted!
Quote from: ONeill on January 14, 2011, 08:23:10 PM
Did you see the wife of one of the suspects on? She (as she would) claimed there's no way her husband could have done such a thing. His mother seemed more resigned.
I read that the 29 year old had a new wife as well. Unfortunately she too is a victim and, if he's found guilty, she must face the rest of her life knowing her husband was a murderer.
I have nothing to say on this thread except I think it should be deleted or at least moved off the site until Michaela is buried and her family have had a chance to grieve. The GAA is a close knit and relatively small community and I'd hate to think family members of Michaela would be looking in here to see some of the childish rubbish been written here.
I agree...it really shows the mentality of some people when they come onto a thread like this to wind people up/cheap point scoring...Please close it down mods
But you will inevitably move it to the tribute thread. Is it foolish and naïve to trust people on here to be respectful in their discussion of something that is dominating news and daily conversation.
I understand the reasons for discussing this stuff but... Wrong time lads and it won't bring her back
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 14, 2011, 09:38:15 PM
I understand the reasons for discussing this stuff but... Wrong time lads and it won't bring her back
Oh ffs.
Right enough sammy, engage your brain before piping up.
Quote from: new devil on January 14, 2011, 09:29:51 PM
I agree...it really shows the mentality of some people when they come onto a thread like this to wind people up/cheap point scoring...Please close it down mods
To be fair the vast majority of posts on this thread are well intentioned and we are probably a bit over-sensitive to the odd ott comment.
I thought setting it up was actually a good idea to keep the inevitable (this is the internet) speculation off the tributes thread.
Quote from: ONeill on January 14, 2011, 09:55:09 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 14, 2011, 09:38:15 PM
I understand the reasons for discussing this stuff but... Wrong time lads and it won't bring her back
Oh ffs.
Has court opened for business on this one yet?
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 14, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 14, 2011, 09:55:09 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 14, 2011, 09:38:15 PM
I understand the reasons for discussing this stuff but... Wrong time lads and it won't bring her back
Oh ffs.
Has court opened for business on this one yet?
Just saying, quit with the Sun hyperbole.
Folks, I think this thread and conversation should be left for another day.
Folks, we have to be very mindful of what we're committing to print here.
There's no point in locking or deleting the thread (as the poll consensus would indicate), since a replacement will inevitably spring up, and we're right back into the very same dilemma: it's an inescapable topic of conversation and thought, and and such it will irresistibly find cyber-outlets.
I will lock or delete it, however, should contributions overstep the mark.
Not too many have over stepped the mark to be fair. No one has made any conversation/contributions that were making ill of the dead or family.
The thread title is about the impending case, should you change the title?
Folks, I know this is and will continue to be a multiple page discussion, and I for one have no problem with that.
For now, can it be left alone until after Michaela's funeral on Monday?
Quote from: give her dixie on January 15, 2011, 12:07:12 AM
Folks, I know this is and will continue to be a multiple page discussion, and I for one have no problem with that.
For now, can it be left alone until after Michaela's funeral on Monday?
Fear, I think in this instance the thread should be locked as per GHD's wishes. Thanks.
OK, I'm locking the thread at 12:30 am, until after Michaela's funeral (there are divergent opinions on that I know, but as a relative, give her dixie's wishes must be heard).
So if's there's a major development in the case we can open another thread???
Afraid so.
local news report http://www.newsnow.mu/NewsView.asp?NID=13507
CCTV of the 3 suspects together minutes after the killing was influential.
Quoteas a relative, give her dixie's wishes must be heard
Absolutely.
QuoteSo if's there's a major development in the case we can open another thread??
The legal stuff will be quiet over the weekend, I imagine.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 15, 2011, 12:19:04 AM
local news report http://www.newsnow.mu/NewsView.asp?NID=13507
CCTV of the 3 suspects together minutes after the killing was influential.
Interesting extract in that piece about how one of the suspects (Mooneea) denied involvement and therefore refused to take part in the reconstruction, i.e., participation in the reconstruction was not compulsory.
Currently a majority to keep the thread open, should that change into a minority it shall either be deleted or locked, dependent on which is the greater.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but I felt it was great to read reports of senior Unionist politicians visiting the family and expressing their sympathies. Perhaps there's ope for us as a country yet.
I thought Peter Robinson spoke very well today at Stormont.
QuoteDon't know if it's been mentioned, but I felt it was great to read reports of senior Unionist politicians visiting the family and expressing their sympathies. Perhaps there's ope for us as a country yet.
I agree. I think the civil (in both the colloquial and official sense of the word) conduct of the DUP and UU in this matter is very welcome and is helpful to community relations.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12207773 - Robinson today.
Read of Basil McCrea (relatively well liked and respected for his tolerance and liberal views) visiting but just wondering if Elliot visited as party leader?
Yes, Tom Elliot was at the wake too, from what I hear.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 17, 2011, 06:51:43 PM
I thought Peter Robinson spoke very well today at Stormont.
Havnt heard what he had to say yet, but my mother was telling me this morning she was very moved by how he spoke.
Indeed, the unionist engagement was most welcome.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 17, 2011, 07:05:15 PM
Yes, Tom Elliot was at the wake too, from what I hear.
Also good to hear then considering his conservatism and attitude to the GAA.
I know this is nothing to do with the Unionists or anything but I think it is a nice touch and should be added.
Paul Galvin attended the wake yesterday and gave Mickey a hand written letter of condolence.
Also heard the girls in the house were very excited at Paul's attendance and were falling over themselves to make him tea!
I thought the Irish News headline was inappropriate and screamed insensitivity given the day it was. It could have been an inside story.
Quote from: ONeill on January 17, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
I thought the Irish News headline was inappropriate and screamed insensitivity given the day it was. It could have been an inside story.
What was it, I haven't seen it yet?
Quote from: Puckoon on January 17, 2011, 07:08:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 17, 2011, 06:51:43 PM
I thought Peter Robinson spoke very well today at Stormont.
Havnt heard what he had to say yet, but my mother was telling me this morning she was very moved by how he spoke.
The snippet in the news today was only a minute long, but he portrayed himself, and what he believes in better in that sixty seconds than everything from the last 30 years. He spoke like a man and a father today.
Also, hats off to Errigal and the Tyrone CB. I am not too sure if you are allowed to feel pride amongst the rainbow of emotions but I certainly did today.
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 17, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
I know this is nothing to do with the Unionists or anything but I think it is a nice touch and should be added.
Paul Galvin attended the wake yesterday and gave Mickey a hand written letter of condolence.
Also heard the girls in the house were very excited at Paul's attendance and were falling over themselves to make him tea!
Fair play, considering the overwhelming bleakness that actually made me giggle a bit.
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 17, 2011, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 17, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
I thought the Irish News headline was inappropriate and screamed insensitivity given the day it was. It could have been an inside story.
What was it, I haven't seen it yet?
You'll catch it @ www.irishnews.com
Insensitive indeed!
QuoteI know this is nothing to do with the Unionists or anything but I think it is a nice touch and should be added.
Paul Galvin attended the wake yesterday and gave Mickey a hand written letter of condolence.
Also heard the girls in the house were very excited at Paul's attendance and were falling over themselves to make him tea!
With all the crap thats written about him you never hear these stories in the media and there are plenty of good stories about him, Hear there were plenty of other Kerry lads made the long journey too, just shows that the mutual respect with all supporting and trying to help out fellow great GAA sportspeople in their time of need as Mickey Harte has long done for other people. Sad times and hopefully the media will back off now and let all concerned the time to try and pick up the pieces.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on January 17, 2011, 08:39:25 PM
With all the crap thats written about him you never hear these stories in the media and there are plenty of good stories about him, Hear there were plenty of other Kerry lads made the long journey too, just shows that the mutual respect with all supporting and trying to help out fellow great GAA sportspeople in their time of need as Mickey Harte has long done for other people.
Agreed KM, fair play to Paul Galvin, and the rest of the lads from Kerry and elsewhere. They've done themselves, and the Association, proud indeed.
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 17, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
I know this is nothing to do with the Unionists or anything but I think it is a nice touch and should be added.
Paul Galvin attended the wake yesterday and gave Mickey a hand written letter of condolence.
Also heard the girls in the house were very excited at Paul's attendance and were falling over themselves to make him tea!
Excellent :D :D
Quote from: Kerry Mike on January 17, 2011, 08:39:25 PM
QuoteI know this is nothing to do with the Unionists or anything but I think it is a nice touch and should be added.
Paul Galvin attended the wake yesterday and gave Mickey a hand written letter of condolence.
Also heard the girls in the house were very excited at Paul's attendance and were falling over themselves to make him tea!
With all the crap thats written about him you never hear these stories in the media and there are plenty of good stories about him, Hear there were plenty of other Kerry lads made the long journey too, just shows that the mutual respect with all supporting and trying to help out fellow great GAA sportspeople in their time of need as Mickey Harte has long done for other people. Sad times and hopefully the media will back off now and let all concerned the time to try and pick up the pieces.
I'm sure there were many others from throughout Ireland as well. Great to see the solidarity.
Thought it really poignant that the old foes from Kerry came up. Thought it was especially nice when DJ told me about Galvin, couldn't help but smirk though!
There were plenty from all over at it. On Saturday Darragh O'Se and Eoin Liston were there. Also saw Alan Brogan when I was there. We walked past some of the Dublin team today on the way into the church as well.
Galvin also showed up in his tight jeans and white pointy shoes! Top man.
I want to echo others comments in relation to Peter Robinsons speech in the assembly today. He spoke very well and with real feeling and emotion. Fair play to him and the other unionists who made the journey to the Harte home, a real positive step in the right direction.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 17, 2011, 09:07:08 PM
I want to echo others comments in relation to Peter Robinsons speech in the assembly today. He spoke very well and with real feeling and emotion. Fair play to him and the other unionists who made the journey to the Harte home, a real positive step in the right direction.
+1
I didnt expect his comments to be so moving. Peter showed his inner humanitarian qualities, unlike his normally cold exterior.
It is in some way comforting that, especially given the past week and the depths we have seen humanity sink to, people can put their petty differences aside to try and help / comfort each other.
Also I have seen tragedy very close at hand before with a young death and a big positive that could be taken in this scenario , just like this, is how much of a supportive community we have in the GAA.
The situation is awful and I just hope that the above two things can at least give the Hartes and John McAreavey some comfort.
Paisley Jr was on radio last week saying the DUP parliamentary party were on to the British Govt to ensure the Mauritian Govt expedited the process of getting Michaela home.
Couldn't help being moved seeing John kissing the coffin....
I would like to add to the earlier sentiments in praise of all the members of Errigal GFC who assisted at the wake in any way. From the bus drivers to the stewards, parking attendants and ladies making tea and soup. It was planned and executed with military precision but the sense of community was evident throughout. I only hope that the Harte and McAreavey families can take some strength from this community in the many dark days ahead.
QuoteI thought the Irish News headline was inappropriate and screamed insensitivity given the day it was. It could have been an inside story.
Agree. I had issue with the Irish News reporting on several occasions, it just smacked of very cheap journalism. They flew someone out to report from Mauritius, and to be honest, anyone on this board could have written the same piece, nothing but lazy journalism. Not to forget the two obvious mistakes they made and had to publish apologies the following days.
As a viewer on television last night, I was taken by the level of composure and dignity on view. How they held it together to get through such a tragic day was unbelievable. Hopefully that same strength will carry them through the days, months and years ahead. I can't recall the last time a death has hit so many people in so many places. That itself is testament to the life which Michaela lived, and to the total respect for the Harte and McAreavey families by the community.
Fair play to Peter Robinson and Tom Elliott for supporting the 2 families so publicly .
Quote from: balladmaker on January 18, 2011, 10:17:17 AM
QuoteI thought the Irish News headline was inappropriate and screamed insensitivity given the day it was. It could have been an inside story.
Agree. I had issue with the Irish News reporting on several occasions, it just smacked of very cheap journalism. They flew someone out to report from Mauritius, and to be honest, anyone on this board could have written the same piece, nothing but lazy journalism. Not to forget the two obvious mistakes they made and had to publish apologies the following days.
As a viewer on television last night, I was taken by the level of composure and dignity on view. How they held it together to get through such a tragic day was unbelievable. Hopefully that same strength will carry them through the days, months and years ahead. I can't recall the last time a death has hit so many people in so many places. That itself is testament to the life which Michaela lived, and to the total respect for the Harte and McAreavey families by the community.
Surely sometimes "lazy journalism" is appropriate.
I also thought it very strange that the IN felt compelled to send a reporter out to cover developments first hand. The word "jolly" springs to mind as some of the stuff read like a cut and paste job which could quite feasibly have been cobbled together in Donegall St. Maybe she was already, coincidentally out there on holiday?!
QuoteSurely sometimes "lazy journalism" is appropriate.
I'm referring to the fact that they did not need someone in Mauritius to report what they did, anyone could have reported the same from here. It's only a side point and irrelevant to the real life tragedy that occurred.
Dreadful piece in today's Indo at the end of the funeral coverage. Headline read something like "No Mass in Mauritius for fear of disturbing guests."
To my mind, the implication was that there was no concern on the island over the case and that the funeral (and by extension Michaela's death) was being disrespected, even though later in the article they mentioned about the memorial service held last week at the request of the staff.
I have a serious dislike for the way the media in gerneral react to such tragedies, how they play it out in the immediate aftermath and the subtle milking of the public's sympathy. Some of the questioning from BBC and UTV reporters left a lot to be desired in terms of their intentions. That Irish News headline on the day of the funeral spoke volumes for their supposed empathy towards the families involved. Yet, we buy the papers and watch their bulletins.
However, I suppose that's for another thread on another day.
Quote from: ONeill on January 18, 2011, 01:27:15 PM
I have a serious dislike for the way the media in gerneral react to such tragedies, how they play it out in the immediate aftermath and the subtle milking of the public's sympathy. Some of the questioning from BBC and UTV reporters left a lot to be desired in terms of their intentions. That Irish News headline on the day of the funeral spoke volumes for their supposed empathy towards the families involved. Yet, we buy the papers and watch their bulletins.
However, I suppose that's for another thread on another day.
That is unfortunately true, but is also unfortunately fuelled by our demand. Due to nature of who Michaela was to Tyrone people and the wider GAA community we are perhaps extra-sensitive when it comes to viewing the media's approach to this particular tragedy. It's an ugly thing to admit, but there are other tragedies we can't get enough of info about.
I have no connection with Michaela or the Harte family, or anyone from Errigal Ciaran. However, as a GAA supporter and an admirer of Mickey Harte I would have liked to attend the funeral to show my sympathy and support. Unfortuantely I couldn't due to work commitments, but was glad for the opportunity to listen to it through the internet.
I wouldn't say we fuel the format of the reporting though gallsman.
Most people I'd say were utterly impressed with the way the Errigal Ciaran club kept camera lenses at a distance yesterday. They made sure respect and dignity was delivered to the families. It was their obvious imperiative throughout. We should all take some pride away as members of the GAA family the way they carried out their duties.
As has been mentioned, Peter Robinsons words yesterday were very poignant. I do think statements like that bring this island forward in leaps.
Quote from: theskull1 on January 18, 2011, 02:13:08 PM
I wouldn't say we fuel the format of the reporting though gallsman.
Most people I'd say were utterly impressed with the way the Errigal Ciaran club kept camera lenses at a distance yesterday. They made sure respect and dignity was delivered to the families. It was their obvious imperiative throughout. We should all take some pride away as members of the GAA family the way they carried out their duties.
As has been mentioned, Peter Robinsons words yesterday were very poignant. I do think statements like that bring this island forward in leaps.
You and I know that come election time normal service will have resumed for Robinson, Elliott etc.
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2011, 01:22:36 PM
Dreadful piece in today's Indo at the end of the funeral coverage. Headline read something like "No Mass in Mauritius for fear of disturbing guests."
To my mind, the implication was that there was no concern on the island over the case and that the funeral (and by extension Michaela's death) was being disrespected, even though later in the article they mentioned about the memorial service held last week at the request of the staff.
Yeah Gallsman. Saw that and thought it was a strange and agenda driven article. Drawing comparisons between the end of the funeral in Tyrone and life going on in the hotel at the same time etc...
We're all evolving Tony, some faster than others.
The story in the Independent claiming that there were no memorial services in Mauritius yesterday also appeared in the Belfast Telegraph this morning. It was completely untrue, as the Irish News carried a full report today on a special mass held in a Catholic Church close to the Legends resort.
QuoteDreadful piece in today's Indo at the end of the funeral coverage. Headline read something like "No Mass in Mauritius for fear of disturbing guests."
This was a disgraceful piece of journalism, by a person who purported to be on the island. it is simply untrue, as well as being in bad taste. The Mauritian news media reported that a tribute was delivered on Monday 17 January, in the church of Saint-Ange-Gardien, in Grand Baie, in memory of Michael Hart, at the time when the funeral took place in Ireland. This ceremony in Mauritius was attended by Tourism Minister Nando Bodha, the foreign minister, Arvin Boolell, and representatives of the tourism sector.
http://www.lexpress.mu/story/20110-dernier-hommage-en-memoire-de-michaela-harte-en-irlande-et-a-maurice.html
It seems to me that this sounds like a proper memorial which should be recognised and not subject to untrue reporting.
Quotealso appeared in the Belfast Telegraph this morning.
I can't see this on the Telegraph website, did they pull it?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 18, 2011, 02:13:08 PM
I wouldn't say we fuel the format of the reporting though gallsman.
Most people I'd say were utterly impressed with the way the Errigal Ciaran club kept camera lenses at a distance yesterday. They made sure respect and dignity was delivered to the families. It was their obvious imperiative throughout. We should all take some pride away as members of the GAA family the way they carried out their duties.
As has been mentioned, Peter Robinsons words yesterday were very poignant. I do think statements like that bring this island forward in leaps.
You and I know that come election time normal service will have resumed for Robinson, Elliott etc.
could you not have let your thoughts slide this time?
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The GAA community really is something special and something I am so proud to be a part of. The gaels of Errigal were magnificent
The morning print edition of the Telegraph ran the incorrect story about Mauritius and it was replaced, without explanation, by a report on the actual memorial service in the final edition.
Quote from: J OGorman on January 18, 2011, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 18, 2011, 02:13:08 PM
I wouldn't say we fuel the format of the reporting though gallsman.
Most people I'd say were utterly impressed with the way the Errigal Ciaran club kept camera lenses at a distance yesterday. They made sure respect and dignity was delivered to the families. It was their obvious imperiative throughout. We should all take some pride away as members of the GAA family the way they carried out their duties.
As has been mentioned, Peter Robinsons words yesterday were very poignant. I do think statements like that bring this island forward in leaps.
You and I know that come election time normal service will have resumed for Robinson, Elliott etc.
could you not have let your thoughts slide this time?
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The GAA community really is something special and something I am so proud to be a part of. The gaels of Errigal were magnificent
Nope.
4th arrest, not many details.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12219596
Mautitian policeman on RTE radio now. The arrested is one of the security staff in the hotel, he denies involvement. He may be connected to the duplicate electronic key. Police are still investigating.
DNA currently being tested by independent lab. Police have other evidence in addition to DNA.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 18, 2011, 05:44:54 PM
Mautitian policeman on RTE radio now. The arrested is one of the security staff in the hotel, he denies involvement. He may be connected to the duplicate electronic key. Police are still investigating.
DNA currently being tested by independent lab. Police have other evidence in addition to DNA.
Did the Irish News send you to Mauritius too?
Delighted to see I'm not the only one who felt the same way. I'll happily hold my hands up and admit to not finding the Indo fit to wipe my hole with prior to this, but even in an isolated context this would have been a terrible piece of lazy journalism.
The article:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-memorial-held-on-holiday-island-2500003.html
QuoteNo memorial held on holiday island
FOR a week, just as at home in Ireland, it was front page news in Mauritus.
But yesterday on the holiday island the funeral of Michaela Harte went totally unnoticed.
No services were held to correspond with the burial in Ireland, there was no minute's silence, not a single bunch of flowers laid.
The murder of the 27-year-old horrified the Indian Ocean island for almost a week, with locals worried the awful killing could damage the tourism trade.
Taxi drivers, hotel workers and ordinary people in the street spoke of their shock, and of how this was the first time a holidaymaker had been killed on the island.
At the Legends Hotel, where three hotel employees were allegedly involved in her death, guests strolled between the hotel and the poolside, passing by room 1025.
Ceremony
The room was sealed off after the honeymooner's lifeless body was found in the bath last Monday afternoon.
A short mass was held at the hotel on Thursday last at the request of the staff but manager Brice Lunot said they did not hold a ceremony yesterday for fear on intruding on the remaining guests.
Mauritius is multicultural but largely Hindu, with few Catholic churches on the island. While the crowds spilled out from St Malachy's church outside Ballygawley, no such service was held here.
Never mind the fact that it is blatantly incorrect about the lack of a memorial taking place, who the hell is Edel Kennedy to essentially condemn a nation even if there hadn't been one? From what I read over the last week the Mauritian people, authorities and Legends hotel staff reacted with dismay and revulsion to the murder and offered John McAreavey whatever support they could.
From the www.irishtimes.com...
Harte accused alleges coercion
BILL CORCORAN in Cape Town
A Mauritian magistrate has ordered the police complaints bureau to investigate whether Michaela Harte murder accused Avinash Treebhoowoon was coerced into admitting involvement in her death last week.
Magistrate Bonomally made her ruling after Mr Treebhoowoon alleged in her court for a second time in a week that police had tortured and beaten him while in custody.
Mr Treebhoowoon is one of four employees from the exclusive Legends Hotel in Grand Gaube who have been charged in connection with Ms Harte's murder in her hotel room on January 11th last.
During his first court appearance last week, the 29-year-old said he was innocent of murder and claimed that he had been assaulted while in police custody.
The magistrate ordered that a police doctor examine him. The doctor later said he could find no injuries consistent with being beaten up.
Police said Mr Treebhoowoon had voluntarily admitted in an interview that he and a second co-accused, Sandip Mooneea, had killed Ms Harte when she found them trying to rob her room.
Counsel for Mr Treebhoowoon, Ravi Rutna, today presented a motion alleging police brutality against his client and asked the magistrate to allow him to make a statement.
Mr Treebhoowoon explained that after his January 11th hearing, he was taken to the Major Crime Investigation Team (MCIT) offices in the capital Port Louis where he was subjected to police brutality for a second time.
"I was undressed and laid on a table. There was a bucket full of water next to the table. Continuously, my head was plunged into the bucket," said Mr Treebhoowoon. "At the same time, I was beaten up, thus forcing me to confess."
Mr Treebhoowoon, a room attendant, and floor superviser Sandip Mooneea, (41), have been charged with murder. Room attendant Raj Theekoy (33), and security guard Dassen Narainen (26), have been charged with conspiracy to murder.
Prosecutors officially charged Mr Narainen this morning with conspiring with Mr Treebhoowoon and Mr Mooneea to commit murder. He was arrested yesterday, a week after his three co-accused.
Police said Mr Treebhoowoon and Mr Theekoy have confessed to the charges against them. The remaining two men are maintaining their innocence.
The four suspects arrived at Mapou District Court under heavy police escort. They have been remanded in custody until February 8th when they can apply for bail.
The funeral of Ms Harte, a 27-year-old Irish language teacher, was held on Monday at the same rural church in Co Tyrone, St Malachy's in Ballymacilroy, where she married last month.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 19, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
From the www.irishtimes.com...
Harte accused alleges coercion
BILL CORCORAN in Cape Town
A Mauritian magistrate has ordered the police complaints bureau to investigate whether Michaela Harte murder accused Avinash Treebhoowoon was coerced into admitting involvement in her death last week.
Magistrate Bonomally made her ruling after Mr Treebhoowoon alleged in her court for a second time in a week that police had tortured and beaten him while in custody.
Mr Treebhoowoon is one of four employees from the exclusive Legends Hotel in Grand Gaube who have been charged in connection with Ms Harte's murder in her hotel room on January 11th last.
During his first court appearance last week, the 29-year-old said he was innocent of murder and claimed that he had been assaulted while in police custody.
The magistrate ordered that a police doctor examine him. The doctor later said he could find no injuries consistent with being beaten up.
Police said Mr Treebhoowoon had voluntarily admitted in an interview that he and a second co-accused, Sandip Mooneea, had killed Ms Harte when she found them trying to rob her room.
Counsel for Mr Treebhoowoon, Ravi Rutna, today presented a motion alleging police brutality against his client and asked the magistrate to allow him to make a statement.
Mr Treebhoowoon explained that after his January 11th hearing, he was taken to the Major Crime Investigation Team (MCIT) offices in the capital Port Louis where he was subjected to police brutality for a second time.
"I was undressed and laid on a table. There was a bucket full of water next to the table. Continuously, my head was plunged into the bucket," said Mr Treebhoowoon. "At the same time, I was beaten up, thus forcing me to confess."
Mr Treebhoowoon, a room attendant, and floor superviser Sandip Mooneea, (41), have been charged with murder. Room attendant Raj Theekoy (33), and security guard Dassen Narainen (26), have been charged with conspiracy to murder.
Prosecutors officially charged Mr Narainen this morning with conspiring with Mr Treebhoowoon and Mr Mooneea to commit murder. He was arrested yesterday, a week after his three co-accused.Police said Mr Treebhoowoon and Mr Theekoy have confessed to the charges against them. The remaining two men are maintaining their innocence.The four suspects arrived at Mapou District Court under heavy police escort. They have been remanded in custody until February 8th when they can apply for bail.The funeral of Ms Harte, a 27-year-old Irish language teacher, was held on Monday at the same rural church in Co Tyrone, St Malachy's in Ballymacilroy, where she married last month.
Mauritius is very culturally close to India and in India suspects are routinely tortured so that they confess. Remember Mauritius is a third world country heavily dependent on tourism where most workers are paid very little and petty crime in the resorts is normal. Mistreating the suspects also sends out a strong message to the rest of the population.
I just saw that Switzerland is rushing through a law that would mean anyone convicted of selling bank details to a third party will be liable to a minimum of 3 years on jail. This is a similar example of an establishment trying to protect its cashflow.
Quote from: seafoid on January 19, 2011, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 19, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
From the www.irishtimes.com...
Harte accused alleges coercion
BILL CORCORAN in Cape Town
A Mauritian magistrate has ordered the police complaints bureau to investigate whether Michaela Harte murder accused Avinash Treebhoowoon was coerced into admitting involvement in her death last week.
Magistrate Bonomally made her ruling after Mr Treebhoowoon alleged in her court for a second time in a week that police had tortured and beaten him while in custody.
Mr Treebhoowoon is one of four employees from the exclusive Legends Hotel in Grand Gaube who have been charged in connection with Ms Harte's murder in her hotel room on January 11th last.
During his first court appearance last week, the 29-year-old said he was innocent of murder and claimed that he had been assaulted while in police custody.
The magistrate ordered that a police doctor examine him. The doctor later said he could find no injuries consistent with being beaten up.
Police said Mr Treebhoowoon had voluntarily admitted in an interview that he and a second co-accused, Sandip Mooneea, had killed Ms Harte when she found them trying to rob her room.
Counsel for Mr Treebhoowoon, Ravi Rutna, today presented a motion alleging police brutality against his client and asked the magistrate to allow him to make a statement.
Mr Treebhoowoon explained that after his January 11th hearing, he was taken to the Major Crime Investigation Team (MCIT) offices in the capital Port Louis where he was subjected to police brutality for a second time.
"I was undressed and laid on a table. There was a bucket full of water next to the table. Continuously, my head was plunged into the bucket," said Mr Treebhoowoon. "At the same time, I was beaten up, thus forcing me to confess."
Mr Treebhoowoon, a room attendant, and floor superviser Sandip Mooneea, (41), have been charged with murder. Room attendant Raj Theekoy (33), and security guard Dassen Narainen (26), have been charged with conspiracy to murder.
Prosecutors officially charged Mr Narainen this morning with conspiring with Mr Treebhoowoon and Mr Mooneea to commit murder. He was arrested yesterday, a week after his three co-accused.Police said Mr Treebhoowoon and Mr Theekoy have confessed to the charges against them. The remaining two men are maintaining their innocence.The four suspects arrived at Mapou District Court under heavy police escort. They have been remanded in custody until February 8th when they can apply for bail.The funeral of Ms Harte, a 27-year-old Irish language teacher, was held on Monday at the same rural church in Co Tyrone, St Malachy's in Ballymacilroy, where she married last month.
Mauritius is very culturally close to India and in India suspects are routinely tortured so that they confess. Remember Mauritius is a third world country heavily dependent on tourism where most workers are paid very little and petty crime in the resorts is normal. Mistreating the suspects also sends out a strong message to the rest of the population.
I just saw that Switzerland is rushing through a law that would mean anyone convicted of selling bank details to a third party will be liable to a minimum of 3 years on jail. This is a similar example of an establishment trying to protect its cashflow.
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Accused to provide testimony in murder case
Wednesday, 30 March 2011
Police in Mauritius have made a major breakthrough in the Michaela Harte McAreavey murder case after one suspect agreed to testify against her alleged killers.
Tyrone GAA boss Mickey Harte's only daughter was murdered in January while on honeymoon with her husband John McAreavey. The 28-year-old former beauty queen (right) was strangled after she apparently disturbed intruders in the couple's hotel room.
Mauritian Raj Theekoy (31) walked free from court on Monday following a hearing which heard he would provide crucial testimony implicating his former colleagues Avinash Treebhoowoon (29) and Sandip Moneea (41).
Mr Theekoy had been charged with conspiracy to commit murder but is now to become a witness in the trial of the pair who are accused of killing Mrs McAreavey on January 10.
Police inspector Ranjit Jokhoo yesterday said he believed Mr Theekoy's evidence would help bring Mrs McAreavey's killers to justice.
"Theekoy was a suspect but at this stage all of the charges against him have been dropped," said Jokhoo.
"This is because he has agreed to become a key state witness.
"He will tell the court that he saw the two main suspects leaving the murder room in the moments after the offence was committed," he added.
"As a result of this testimony, the police advised the department of public prosecutions to drop the charges against him."
Mr Theekoy was arrested alongside Mr Treebhoowoon and Mr Moneea on January 11, the day after the murder at the luxury Legends Hotel.
Detectives provisionally charged the room cleaner with conspiracy to commit murder |following the allegation he had failed to raise the alarm despite hearing screams coming from inside Mrs McAreavey's room.
On Monday magistrate Sheila Bonomally was told prosecutors were willing to dismiss the case against Mr Theekoy, for which he had spent almost three months on remand. The hotel worker was released unconditionally.
The court also heard the preliminary murder charges against Mr Moneea and Mr Treebhoowoon would be upheld again after prosecutors said they believed there was sufficient evidence to justify a trial.
Detectives have claimed Mr Treebhoowoon admitted the pair killed Mrs McAreavey by accident after she entered her bedroom and caught them stealing from her purse. He allegedly told officers they dumped the former Rose of Tralee contestant's body in the bath after Mr Moneea strangled her.
However, Mr Moneea, a room supervisor, has always denied the claim. The hearing also saw charges against a fourth suspect lowered.
Legends Hotel security officer Dassen Narainen (26) had faced a provisional charge of conspiracy to commit murder after allegedly confessing he helped supply a magnetic room key.
The court heard prosecutors would instead bring a formal charge against him of conspiracy to commit theft. The main trial is not expected to take place until next year at the earliest.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/michaela-harte-mcareavey-suspect-freed-in-trial-deal-15130787.html#ixzz1I6eTMBz3
Michaela - Finding Peace
On RTE1 @ 9:30pm this evening.