Kildare or Dublin or Down or Cork
Down twice as likely as anyone else? And no chance for Monaghan?
Small bit of proofreading goes a long way, I find.
Quote from: PatDaly on July 19, 2010, 03:07:21 AM
http://www.gaa.ie/wallcharts/football.php
Sunday August 22nd: All-Ireland Semi-final: Ulster v Connacht
Winner of Roscommon vs (Winner of Louth v Dublin) or (Winner of Limerick v Cork) or (Winner of Monaghan v Kildare) or Down*
vs
Winner of Tyrone vs (Winner of Louth v Dublin) or (Winner of Limerick v Cork) or (Winner of Down v Sligo) or Kildare*
Sunday August 29th: All-Ireland semi-final: Leinster v Munster
Winner of Kerry vs (Winner of Louth v Dublin) or (Winner of Monaghan v Kildare) or (Winner of Sligo v Down) or Cork*
vs
Winner of Meath vs (Winner of Limerick v Cork) or (Winner of Monaghan v Kildare) or (Winner of Sligo v Down) or Dublin*
* if this team wins their round 4 back door qualifier game.
Kerry V Cork a cert!
Wait a minute .....!
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 19, 2010, 06:50:24 AM
Down twice as likely as anyone else? And no chance for Monaghan?
Small bit of proofreading goes a long way, I find.
Still not correct...but you keep trying.
Good lad.
it will be kerry v cork. dublin v roscommon. meath v kildare. tyrone v down. the gaa want dublin in the semi final and playing roscommon will be their best bet getting there
I want Cork or Dublin, but really dont care , they are all small counties who have won feck all of note recently.
Just waiting now for Gooch to "do his groin" in training on Tuesday next or Donaghy to "go over on his knee" as well.
Yerra yerra yerra!!!!!!!!!!!!
Want to avoid Cork; don't care after that.
With the injuries and suspensions the QF will be tough.
However as we have the greatest distance to travel to Dublin no doubt they will put us on Bank Holiday Monday again.
Down it is then
Quote from: kerrylions on July 24, 2010, 09:33:11 PM
it will be kerry v cork. dublin v roscommon. meath v kildare. tyrone v down. the gaa want dublin in the semi final and playing roscommon will be their best bet getting there
You're on the ball there - one out of four! And you can hardly accuse the GAA of a Dublin bias now!
Sunday August 22nd: All-Ireland Semi-final: Ulster v Connacht
Winner of Roscommon vs Cork
vs
Winner of Tyrone vs Dublin
Sunday August 29th: All-Ireland semi-final: Leinster v Munster
Winner of Kerry vs Down
vs
Winner of Meath vs Kildare
how long is it since kerry played
Not the draw Down would have wanted! Our proud undefeated record v kerry @croker is about to go!
Definitely catches the imagination but fearful as to what Kerry's natural forward ability might do with our defence
Also worried about baggage re not winning @croker for years!
I do think Down's forwards will show up to be quality
Decent draw for us, first game v Down since 1991 when a very poor Kerry side were put to the sword. One of the few Counties we have never beaten but has no relavence to this group of Kerry players in the modern era, but the media no doubt will play it up.
If Down are allowed to score like yesterday they will cause us problems we need to be tight in our full back line where we havestruggled all year and exert ourselves in Midfield but without the ball winning capabilities of Paul Galvin and Tomas O'Se in this sector we will reall have to be on our game. Expect Darren O'Sullivan to Start instead of Galvin and with Padraig Reidy ruled out with injury (which could have released Marc to his Brothers spot) dont be surprised if Aidan O'Mahony starts instead of Tomas.
Will be an interesting game
GY why the pessimism ? We're in bonus territory so let's enjoy it to the max. It's 6 weeks since they've played, they're short Galvin and Tomas O'Shea, the master-stroke of getting Cool Hand Dan a few warm-ups before taking care of Donaghy, the 50 year hype, the Uachtaran/Mick O'Connell connection- you couldn't make it up !!
Bring it on. Marty Clarke fears no-one. Wee James never did. The rest of the team have picked this up. Ambrose and Benny currently on fire, defence lean and mean, KK to eat their midfield.
They might have won thousands of All-Irelands, are the defending champions, have, in Colm Cooper, the best player in the modern era. We may have been struggling in Division 3 last year, put out of the championship by Fermanagh and Wicklow , scrapping by Longford and Offaly.But hey -I cannot wait for this and I'm sure the players and management can't either.
I seriously think Down have a chance here lads...for several reasons.
No Galvin or Tomas...arguably their two most influential players.
Are Micheal Quirke and Seamus Scanlon (or whatever other combination they might use) really better than the King and Ambrose partnership?
Big Dan is well able to go toe to toe with Donaghy.
I would throw Benny in at full forward on Tommy Griffin who has miles on the clock and has looked vulnerable all year.
James has instilled real discipline in this team and they will not give away handy frees for Sheehan to exploit like he did when he got Kerry out of jail against Cork
A big worry would be the Gooch...who would pick him up? D Raff?
Anyway...the boys will give it a rattle...nothing to lose...can't wait :)
I think stopping Declan O'Sullivan ( if he is in right frame of mind) will be key for Down. If Kerry leave him at CHF I dont think any of our CHBs in this championship would be capable of marking him. If kerry make same switch as last years quarter and put him on edge of square he will destroy Gordon .
On the other hand Gordon probably has the size and scope to do a decent job on Donaghy.
Tom O'Sullivan also looks a shadow of the player he was this season.
Took a lot of abuse from the down men last week after the orchard went out but I will be in Dublin supporting you guys on Sunday
hoe you keep the record in Dublin over Kerry intact
if you lose well it's happy days anyway
So you can't really go wrong next weekend Naka. Mind you, if it was the other way round I'd be exactly the same.
Let's not get carried away lads - the draw has been very kind to us
Kerry are a super team albeit minus 1 or 2 key players.
My fear comes from Down's defence - I see a hiding on the agenda and I do think Down need to win a game at Croker to get that monkey off our back
Just don't see this game as being the one
Hope I am wrong!
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 25, 2010, 07:30:16 PM
I seriously think Down have a chance here lads...for several reasons.
No Galvin or Tomas...arguably their two most influential players.
Are Micheal Quirke and Seamus Scanlon (or whatever other combination they might use) really better than the King and Ambrose partnership?
Big Dan is well able to go toe to toe with Donaghy.
I would throw Benny in at full forward on Tommy Griffin who has miles on the clock and has looked vulnerable all year.
James has instilled real discipline in this team and they will not give away handy frees for Sheehan to exploit like he did when he got Kerry out of jail against Cork
A big worry would be the Gooch...who would pick him up? D Raff?
Anyway...the boys will give it a rattle...nothing to lose...can't wait :)
More chance of Roscommon winning the all ireland then Down beating Kerry. Who have Down beaten?
Quote60,61,68,91,94 The Aristocrat Years
We can't be blamed for '94 we had no hand or part in it
When is this game likely to be played?
im expecting a high scoring affair!
There are only 4 counties we have not beaten in Championship football.
Westmeath
Donegal
Kilkenny
Down
The first 3 we have never played, while Down have held the upper hand 4 times we played , while it would be nice to get that monkey off the back finally, more important is to maintean our 100% record in Quarter finals and hopefully get to another semi final.
most kerry supporters didnt want cork, i didnt want down... it'll be all history hype and down coming off a great performance have nothing to lose not to mention that p galvin and thomas are going to be sorely missed. to win sam this year we may have to slay 2 northern giants..
Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 25, 2010, 07:30:16 PM
I seriously think Down have a chance here lads...for several reasons.
No Galvin or Tomas...arguably their two most influential players.
Are Micheal Quirke and Seamus Scanlon (or whatever other combination they might use) really better than the King and Ambrose partnership?
Big Dan is well able to go toe to toe with Donaghy.
I would throw Benny in at full forward on Tommy Griffin who has miles on the clock and has looked vulnerable all year.
James has instilled real discipline in this team and they will not give away handy frees for Sheehan to exploit like he did when he got Kerry out of jail against Cork
A big worry would be the Gooch...who would pick him up? D Raff?
Anyway...the boys will give it a rattle...nothing to lose...can't wait :)
More chance of Roscommon winning the all ireland then Down beating Kerry. Who have Down beaten?
I said we have a
CHANCEI didnt say we would beat them...with the rub of the green and a bit of luck and taking into consideration all of the factors I outlined we'll give it a rattle.
No offence to the Down lads on here but with Kerry, Down, Meath and Kildare on one side of the draw it means its difficult to see Kerry not at least make the final again this year.
7 finals in a row is some going and as far as I know has never been done in the football championship before.
im gonna have many sleepless nights this week. Our defence is brutal, if anyone runs at Bgi Dan he wont stop them.
Marty Clarke froze against tyrone.
Im thinking Kerry could do to us what we did to Sligo. I will need a couple of pints before this one.
nothing to lose though as no one will give us a chance. go out and play football.
Kerry wont be worrying about their route to an All Ireland final. Meath or Kildare after us.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 25, 2010, 08:33:33 PM
No offence to the Down lads on here but with Kerry, Down, Meath and Kildare on one side of the draw it means its difficult to see Kerry not at least make the final again this year.
7 finals in a row is some going and as far as I know has never been done in the football championship before.
Correct Cosmo...this Kerry squad and Dublin 1974-1979 share the record of six in a row final appearances.
Quote7 finals in a row is some going and as far as I know has never been done in the football championship before.
Let nip this in the bud before it takes root, there is a lot of football to be played yet this year.
I'm looking forward to this. If Down avoid a hiding it will be a successful season.
James has a bit of a conundrum. Kerry will score 15 even if we park the bus. They can't though feasibily score more than 25 without utterly obliterating us at midfield, which I'd unlikely.
So try to chase 15 with 2 forwards, or 25 with 5 of them?
I'd like Martin Clarke at CHB either way. That'll give O'Sullivan something different to think about.
Attack,Attack,Attack, if Down go out with a positive frame of mind, and not try to pack defence to keep the score down, then they can definitely put it up to Kerry. We can break even at Midfield, our forward unit is as good as there is when they get quality ball. Kerry will be a little stale, and are generally slow starters anyway, they can be taken. The wide open spaces in Croker will suit us. We have to give it a real lash
Huge opportunity for Kerry to lay the bogey of freezing against Ulster teams on the days that matter. Unexpected effect of the back door but their squeezing through against plucky Monaghan in the last few years could work for the kingdom. Mind you the unexpected exertion of three serious games in Munster is a bit of a history maker, interesting to see how they cope with what would already be an extended set of championship outings
My hope is to see Down continue their fine tradition of beating Kerry in championship football, but the statistics from the championship so far this year show it to be an uphill climb for Down - Here are the numbers - Down's average score per game is 18 points and Kerry's is 21 points - If you convert goals to a simple score, so as to minimise the big score against Sligo, it gives Down 15 scores per game and Kerry 18 scores per game - So it looks like Kerry to win by 3 points or 3 scores - However, we all know the saying about statistics being used to prove anything and if some of Down's scores were to be goals while Kerry's were to be only points, well the Down tradition could very well continue, which I hope it will - I have always thought that the route to any all-Ireland was through Kerry, as was the case in 4 of our 5 wins, so sooner or later we'd have to take them on and prove out worth - Let's hope we're up to the challenge this year - Regardless, I expect it to be a great game of football (as long as it's dry conditions and not bucketing rain) - Up Down!
A confident Down team playing in a free spirit can beat any team in the country
QuoteKerry will be a little stale, and are generally slow starters anyway
Dublin fell into that trap last year.
QuoteHuge opportunity for Kerry to lay the bogey of freezing against Ulster teams on the days that matter
There is no Ulster bogey, in the past years the core of this Kerry team have played and beaten Monaghan, Fermanagh, Armagh, Derry and Antrim, all top ranked Ulster teams and all were knock out games and all mattered.
Quote
interesting to see how they cope with what would already be an extended set of championship outings
Youre not a journalist by any chance, it so lazy some of your misinformation, we are used to long football summers in the Kingdom, since the GAA bought in the quarter finals and qualifiers to make it harder for Kerry to win AI's and we dont lose too many quarter finals ;)
2009 played 8
2008 - 7
2007 - 5
2006 - 8
2005 - 6
2004 - 7
The fact that we have been consistently playing at least one competitive match a week for the past month means that we are going to be in top nick in terms of match sharpness for this one.
The key to this game, if we are going to get anything out of it, is a good start and getting goals. Easier said than done though.
However, ive a feeling we will be fiercely competitive for the 70 minutes and should make a real fist of it.
Although Kerry are rightly favourites for this one, this should be a cracker of a game.
As has been stated Down are in bonus territory now.
Kerry struggled at midfield for long spells of the Cork/Limerick games (although with Cooper and O'Sullivan only 40% possession is all that is needed sometimes).
If Down can keep their heads and learn lessons from the Tyrone game such as not missing straightforward frees and not shooting from impossible angles then they can make a real fist of this.
2 replies about "making a fist of it", should we be worried about a physical game ?
Quote from: Pangurban on July 25, 2010, 09:24:52 PM
our forward unit is as good as there is when they get quality ball.
Cant agree with that PB. The core of this kerry forward line have played in the last six all ireland finals. Down havent won a championship match in Croker in sixteen years.Someone like the much maligned Bryan Sheehan would be a star in Down jersey. Gooch/ Star/ DOS and the suspended Galvin are proven footballers at the very top level. Down forwards are not ( yet).
Kerry team selection will be interesting, but I can't see inexperienced novices replacing the T O'Se and P Galvin. Most of the subs have AI medals by now.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 25, 2010, 11:38:09 PM
Kerry team selection will be interesting, but I can't see inexperienced novices replacing the T O'Se and P Galvin. Most of the subs have AI medals by now.
Most of their fans have All Ireland medals FFS. :-\ :'(
I'm delghted with this draw as its the ultimate acid test for this Down team
They are capable of playing great football and they can also be abysmal thats the story of the last 8 years, i hope for the players sake they dont choke and if they dont i really believe they will give kerry a game.
Down have currently the best midfield in living memory Ambrose is getting better with every game and king is an absolute lion. If we win 60% pos and take our chances then we are in with a shout. Kerry may be complacent and we can use that to our advantage.
Benny is due a good game and he will be really up for this match,
If we avoid bad weather and the team clicks I see us winning this one if not we could be beat by twenty/
QuoteMost of their fans have all medals FFS
Yerra I've a few of them myself...
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 25, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
2 replies about "making a fist of it", should we be worried about a physical game ?
You'd want to be careful the CCCC lads have had a long wait since the munster final they'll be itching to dish out a few more retrospective bans!
I'd say Ambrose will want to have better memories from this trip to HQ than the last one...
Yerra, Kerry have already asked Armagh how to beat Down in Croke Park
Quote from: Orior on July 26, 2010, 12:06:12 AM
Yerra, Kerry have already asked Armagh how to beat Down in Croke Park
After all Armaghs win in the Division 2 final really built them up for a tilt at the Championship.
Come on home paddy your work is done.
Its that long since yee were in it sure the Club championship must be nearly over in Armagh. He He He ;D ;D ;D
Head to Head
B McVeigh B Kealy Adv Down
D McCartan B Sheehan (capt) Adv Kerry
D Gordon K Donaghy Adv Kerry
D Rafferty C Cooper Adv Kerry
D Rooney D Walsh Adv Kerry
C Garvey Declan O'Sullivan Adv Kerry
K McKernan Darran O'Sullivan/Barry John Keane? Adv Kerry
A Rodgers S Scanlon Adv Down
K King M Quirke No Adv
D Hughes K Young Adv Down
M Poland M McCarthy Adv Kerry
P McComiskey A O'Mahony/ P Reidy No Adv
B Coulter T O'Sullivan Adv Down
J Clarke T Griffin Adv Kerry
M Clarke M Ó Sé No Adv
IMO Kerry on paper have edge in 8 Positions, 3 No adv, 4 Adv to Down.
i think this game could be tighter than people think. still expect kerry to come through it.
Quote from: bcarrier on July 26, 2010, 10:24:56 AM
Head to Head
B McVeigh B Kealy Adv Down
D McCartan B Sheehan (capt) Adv Kerry
D Gordon K Donaghy Adv Kerry
D Rafferty C Cooper Adv Kerry
D Rooney D Walsh Adv Kerry
K McKernan? Declan O'Sullivan Adv Kerry
C Garvey Darran O'Sullivan/Barry John Keane? Adv Kerry
A Rodgers S Scanlon Adv Down
K King M Quirke No Adv
D Hughes K Young Adv Down
M Poland M McCarthy Adv Kerry
P McComiskey A O'Mahony/ P Reidy No Adv
B Coulter T O'Sullivan Adv Down
J Clarke T Griffin Adv Kerry
M Clarke M Ó Sé No Adv
IMO Kerry on paper have edge in 8 Positions, 3 No adv, 4 Adv to Down.
Are you a Civil Servant?
This is a great draw for Down. Nothing to lose and Kerry might be vulnerable due to the loss of Galvin and O'Se.
If Kerry get over this one, they're looking good for another All Ireland.
Every year that Down have met Kerry in the C'ship, Down have ended up winning the All-Ireland so put your money on Down for this year's All Ireland!
This could be fascinating, Will Down play football with gay abandon against Kerry or will Kerry handpass them into meek submission. I think this Down team is largely unproven, and time will tell have they the chemical make up that has driven great Down teams on in the past. But there could be shocks this weekend. Cork will defeat Roscommon, Kildare and Meath should be tight, but if the Dubs come to life or Down we could have 2 major shocks. I think Kerry are weaker than last year but if they get over this one, and Tyrone get chinned they will probably win another Sam. Could the Kingdom have asked for a better draw than a middle the road team with an enviable tradition against them, or will this Down team rise with their tradition and produce for the first time since 1994.
Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser at 2pm
100% ?
Quote from: heffo on July 26, 2010, 11:51:26 AM
Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser at 2pm
The All-Ireland champions against the Ulster team with the most All-Irelands as the curtain raiser - ha, the indignity of it all.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 26, 2010, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 26, 2010, 11:51:26 AM
Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser at 2pm
The All-Ireland champions against the Ulster team with the most All-Irelands as the curtain raiser - ha, the indignity of it all.
Do Cavan not have 5 as well?
Cavan do have 5 but are highly unliekly to add to it in the forseeable future. As a Longfordian I reckon Down will show well in this game. Kerry are not as good as last year with the defections and now the suspensions. I've seen Down twice and their half back line is poor , Gordon will hold up Donaghy for sure but will he play FF. Kerry by 2.
I worry about people writing off Kerry after what they did to the Dubs last year.
Fingers crossed though.
I'm guessing this will be all ticket?
Most matches in Croke Park are South Down. :D
Just checking Jinxy :D :D :D :D
Quote from: heffo on July 26, 2010, 11:51:26 AM
Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser at 2pm
Kinda same theory
All Ireland Football Quarter Finals – Fixtures , Times & Date .
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/26/all-ireland-football-quarter-finals-fixtures-times-date/
Would have thought Down Kerry will be on before Tyrone Dublin match but assumed it would be the Sunday line up
Quote from: shawshank on July 26, 2010, 01:18:04 PM
What do you boyos watch anyway. This is an average Down team and have gotten to this stage by beating absolutely no one, Longford followed by offaly and then Sligo who were just begging to die. As Donegal, Armagh, Antrim or even Derry had of gotten that draw they would be in this position also. Down have had great fortune with the draw. Lick won't win this game. Kerry are the team with the luck on this occassion
Londonerry got a handy draw also, Kildare are nothing special and they tanked Londonderry.
Id say we will do a lot better than Londonderry, and im sure we are a lot better team than Londonderry.
Should you not be on a forum about the terrible state of football in the strokers county.and leave the championship talk to the 8 best teams in the country. ;D ;D ;D
Sat 31st July
Croke Park
12pm Kerry Tyrone Minor
2pm Kerry Down Senior
4pm Tyrone Dublin Senior
Confirmed
Quote from: rrhf on July 26, 2010, 11:52:46 AM
100% ?
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/news
QuoteQuote from: shawshank on Today at 01:18:04 PM
What do you boyos watch anyway. This is an average Down team and have gotten to this stage by beating absolutely no one, Longford followed by offaly and then Sligo who were just begging to die. As Donegal, Armagh, Antrim or even Derry had of gotten that draw they would be in this position also. Down have had great fortune with the draw. Lick won't win this game. Kerry are the team with the luck on this occassion
Londonerry got a handy draw also, Kildare are nothing special and they tanked Londonderry.
Id say we will do a lot better than Londonderry, and im sure we are a lot better team than Londonderry.
Should you not be on a forum about the terrible state of football in the strokers county.and leave the championship talk to the 8 best teams in the country.
+1
Does anyone have the Kerry team from 1991. I can't find it online. I can't remember for certain but I think Pat Spillane & Jack O'Shea were playing
Is this Down's first time playing a 1/4-final?
Quote from: Feckitt on July 26, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
Does anyone have the Kerry team from 1991. I can't find it online. I can't remember for certain but I think Pat Spillane & Jack O'Shea were playing
apparently so
http://www.emigrant.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36979&Itemid=18
I think Spillane was hobbling around on huge bandages that day, a bit like Colm O'Rourke in the final.
Munster final team was:
Charlie Nelligan,
John Brendan O'Brien, Kieran Culhane, Stephen Stack,
Sean Burke, Connie Murphy, Morgan Nix,
Noel O'Mahony, Ambrose "Rosie" O'Donovan,
John Cronin, Pat Spillane, Jack O'Shea (Captain),
Pa Dennehy, Maurice Fitzgerald, Timmy Fleming.
Tom Spillane came in for the semi. I forget who's place he took.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 26, 2010, 05:23:32 PM
Munster final team was:
Charlie Nelligan,
John Brendan O'Brien, Kieran Culhane, Stephen Stack,
Sean Burke, Connie Murphy, Morgan Nix,
Noel O'Mahony, Ambrose "Rosie" O'Donovan,
John Cronin, Pat Spillane, Jack O'Shea (Captain),
Pa Dennehy, Maurice Fitzgerald, Timmy Fleming.
Tom Spillane came in for the semi. I forget who's place he took.
I think is was O'Brien.
Fulll back line was Stephen Stack, Tom Spillane and Kieran Culhane.
Down number 14 Peter Withnell got 2 goals that day
All-Ireland semi-final versus Down in Croke Park on August 11, 1991. Final Score: Down 2-9; Kerry 0-8.
Charlie Nelligan
Stephen Stack Tom Spillane Kieran Culhane
Sean Burke Connie Murphy Morgan Nix
Ambrose O'Donovan (0-1) Noel O'Mahony
John Cronin Pat Spillane (0-2) Jack O'Shea
Pa Dennehy Maurice Fitzgerald (0-5)Timmy Fleming
Substitutes: Domo Lyne for Murphy, David Farrell for Cronin.
Was that the worst Kerry team in living memory?
Kerry Mike what's your opinion on that 91 team
No it wasn't the worst one ever; the year before we lost by 15 points to Cork.
If my memory serves me right we hit the crossbar twice in the first half and Down missed a pen.
Was in Croke Park that day and I think it was level with about 7 mins left when Down got their second goal. Kerry hit the upright twice with the scores level.
Not much in it if I recall. Connie Murphy started in the corner and he shouldn't as he went over on his ankle the previous thursday night. He was the specialist man marker and was to mark Mickey Linden.
Liam Flaherty also made his debut that yeat but missed the semi final through injury.
The last time I saw Kerry & Down in Croke Park was a league QF in 1997 when Kerry gave down a hiding.
Kirby was unreal that day as was Maurice Fitz. We won the double that year.
It wasn't a great side either but by god was that AI win celebrated.
Incidentaly that QF was the first time I saw the Kerry seniors win in Croke Park!!!
SDC - from memory - did that 'hiding' not go to ET ?
'91 was the worst team ever.
Its no coincidence that Down finally come out to play again when we are missing 5 of our best players. Down are surely the vultures of the GAA !
Kerry couldn't have been that bad that they beat two-in-a-row All-Ireland champions Cork two years in a row.
Even the worst Kerry team will raise their game against Cork.
Quote from: stiffler on July 26, 2010, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 26, 2010, 04:06:13 PM
Is this Down's first time playing a 1/4-final?
yeah
I thought when Down played Wexford a couple years back, that was a quarter final? It was in HQ.
The slightly different Kerry team that managed to lose to Clare in Munster final were worse than the 91 one.
Kerry wouldnt have been considered a poor team up until that defeat and were red hot favourites for the game. Munster and Leinster teams had dominated the previous 23 years.
Have Down and Kerry played since the 97 NFL QF ? . Flaherty did a fine marking job on Shorty that day.
These players havent meet each other at any stage of league in 00s . A reflection of how far Down fell during the decade.
Quote from: EagleLord on July 27, 2010, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: stiffler on July 26, 2010, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 26, 2010, 04:06:13 PM
Is this Down's first time playing a 1/4-final?
yeah
I thought when Down played Wexford a couple years back, that was a quarter final? It was in HQ.
It was round 4 of the qualifiers
That makes Down the 19th county to play a 1/4 final
Munster: 2
Connaught: 4
Leinster: 6
Ulster: 7
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 27, 2010, 12:30:31 AM
'91 was the worst team ever.
Its no coincidence that Down finally come out to play again when we are missing 5 of our best players. Down are surely the vultures of the GAA !
Does this mean that you are conceding the game before throw-in on Saturday? ;)
What Down should do is pin a red hand badge to their jerseys.
Kerry sphincters will spasm with fear. They will be forced to wear adult nappies, or reveal their runs with streaks of brown.
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on July 27, 2010, 04:18:34 PM
What Down should do is pin a red hand badge to their jerseys.
Kerry sphincters will spasm with fear. They will be forced to wear adult nappies, or reveal their runs with streaks of brown.
You've obviously no idea of Down's poor record against Tyrone in the 00's do you?
Anyway all the adult nappies in Ireland are used up by the Cork hurlers and footballers for games against Waterford, Kerry and Kilkenny.
I'd say there are a few positions up for grabs in the Kingdom line up this week, though Brendan Kealy will hold onto his jersey he has been a bit jittery in a few occasions and his first outing in Croker will hopefully be the first of many in his Kerry career, he needs time to bed in and hopefully a half hour in front of the hill's whistling and booing will stand to him, (yerra the Hill will be empty for the Kerry game anyway with the jackeens still in the pubs). Keep her lit Kealy.
For the first time in an age you won't hear "G'wan Darragh" ring out from the Kerry faithful in Croker as he pulls another inspirational ball from the clouds, we still miss the great man from Ventry.
First up of the changes is the Number 5 Jersey vacated this weekend by Tomas O'Se who is being told to rest up by the CCCC (he has played a huge amount of football over the last 10 years and the break is welcome and it's an opportunity for someone else to stake a claim on a starting spot), I would have been tempted to move Marc out from the Corner and put Padraig Reidy in but Reidy will be out for at least a month with a serious knee injury, so it looks like the full back line will remain the same, and anyway we will need Marc to pick up Down's danger men around the small square (or small rectangle depending on how you view such geometrical oddities.)
Which reminds me of one occasion in my later playing days as a full back roaring at a ref "Square Ball ref" as the ball flew in, to which he replied "the ball is round, play on", by which stage the full forward was picking my elbow out of his shoulder and I was bursting out with the ball stuck in my chest, but I digress....
Tom Griffin and Tom O'Sullivan have lots of miles (or Kilometres as we now call them down here, those Down lads may not know such things as it's been a while since they have been down in Mexico) on the clock but are still stout defenders and great readers of the game and will not concede much, and Griffin is still very good in the air too, we have struggled in all games in the full back line for periods so hopefully the sight of Croker will revitalise those creaking bodies (remember the quarter final last year they were like calves released to out to grass in the spring for the first time, even Tom O'Sullivan galloped up the field for a very rare point, his only Kerry score). BTW that quarter final was the best atmosphere I've ever witnessed in Croke Park, keeping 70000 Jackeens silent for a whole game, brilliant !!!!
Hopefully the training and development plans all spring and summer will have Kerry close to peaking this weekend.
The other dilemma is that Killian Young is also carrying a heavy knock from a recent club game as is Daniel Bohane so it may look as if Aidan O'Mahoney may get a recall from his self imposed exile, he has lots to prove and if he is tuned in he still has a huge amount to offer and it may be the game to re-establish himself. The inexperienced Adrian O'Connell may also come into the reckoning depending on how Young's and Bohane'e fitness is. Mike McCarthy will man the centre and he has been a vital cog since his return from retirement last year.
With Micheal Quirke hampered by a calf injury we may also see a change in midfield with a combination of Seamus Scanlon, whose own injury problems have eased, and either Anthony Maher or David Moran coming into the reckoning. I would go with the taller Maher but he needs to start delivering for longer periods. Quirke too will have some say in matters, I think but his aerial prowess is hampered by his overall mobility but he is great man to put in to win a fews balls and his basketball skills are well known.
Paul Galvin is also on a rest and recuperation weekend from the CCCC , they are great lads in HQ resting our best players in the middle of the season, yerra if we are still around in September we will be glad to have so many fresh players available), Galvin's geansai may go between Darren O'Sullivan and Moran, if Maher makes midfield don't be surprised to see Moran at 10 to try and bulk up the midfield area, though Darren may be better in the Galvinesque type ball winning role and his pace from the wing will trouble any defender. Declan will lead the line and he always plays well in Croker so hoping for more of the same on Sat and expect to see Pat Spillane lookalike Donnacha Walsh again in Spilllane's old No 12 jersey. A fine player Walsh and does untold amount of the hard work in every game.
I'd also say Darren could challenge Brian Sheehan in the No 15 spot, Sheehan has still to establish himself in the first team and has to start proving his doubters wrong, Cooper and Donaghy will complete the line up and hopefully Donaghy can exert his aerial dominance and bring his corner men into it early. Can't see Billy John Keane starting but he will be released at some stage, lots to learn yet but he is coming on well.
Ever year recently Jack O'Connor has sprung a surprise in the panel to shaken thing up a bit but it may yet be too early for this year's rumours to be put into action, we shall see....
I know little about Down so won't waste time bullshitting about them (plenty of Down folk here to do that) but do know they will bring an abundance of skill and spirit to Croke Park and I'm sure the Kerry Jersey will evoke a long burning tradition in them and they won't want to be the first Down team to lose to the Kingdom especially on this the 50th anniversary of their first great win.
Am looking forward to the game should be a good one.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 26, 2010, 11:12:47 PM
SDC - from memory - did that 'hiding' not go to ET ?
No Kerry didn't need extra time for that hiding - was looking on-line for a report of the game and came up blank.
The following extract was taken from the League final program of May 4th 1997.
Quarter Final - 6th April at Croke Park - Beat Down 1-18 to 0-10.
Scorers Maurice Fitzgerald 0-9, Pa Laide 1-2, William Kirby 0-3, Dara O Cinneide 0-2, Killian Burns 0-1, Genie Farrell 0-1.
Kerry took some time to hit top form in this game only leading 0-7 to 0-4 at half time. They clicked into gear in the second half to run out decisive winners.
William Kirby and Dara O'Se at midfield and a sparkling Fitzgerald who scored 0-9 were important architects in the success story.That game may have been Genie Farrells last for Kerry as he got a bad injury just before half time and missed the rest of the year. I don't remember him playing again after this game.
Interestingly a Kerry vocational schools team containing Paul Galvin (corner forward) & Tom O'Sullivan (centre back) beat a Tyrone team containing Stephen O'Neill (wing forward) & Kevin Hughes (corner forward) before the league final.
The teams according to the programme were:
M. McVeigh
F. Caulfield C. Deegan L. Howlett
D. Flynn S. Ward R. Carr
G. McCartan J. Austin
A. Farrell J. Treanor G. Mason
M. Linden C. McCabe G. Deegan
D. O'Keffe
M. Hassett B O'Shea M. O'Shae
S. Moynihan L. Flaherty K. Burns
D. O'Se W. Kirby
P. Laide L. Hassett D. O'Dwyer
G. Farrell D. O'Cinneide M. Fitzgerald
SDC , that's pretty clear but I'm still not 100% this report is entirely accurate.I was at the game and remember that Kerry were way better.However, I also (vaguely) remember our CHF Shorty Trainor getting sent off but being able to come back on in extra time ?I will explore old clippings etc although it would have been some collapse to lose by 11 in extra-time.
Really looking forward to this great occasion on Saturday and i really hope our boys give a good account of themselves. We have some bad memories off Croke Park in recent years and a good performance against the best team in the country would erase them memories and give great confidence in the current squad to continue to make progress. And i really think we have a great opportunity to oust the kingdom. I cant see many changes but i would play Murtagh ahead off McComiskey or Poland from the start and have Colgan ahead off Dan McCartan who was very ordinary against Sligo with Rooney going to corner back and picking up Sheehan Roving out and Colgan sweeping in front off two greats in Gooch and Star. Id try Garvey on Declan OSullivan. Murtagh was superb last week and is too good a player to be left out especially when he is sky high in confidence.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 27, 2010, 12:30:31 AM
'91 was the worst team ever.
Its no coincidence that Down finally come out to play again when we are missing 5 of our best players. Down are surely the vultures of the GAA !
I reckon you should start to wear boxing gloves in bed Mike ;)
Kerry V Down on Saturday! Down need to beware those Ky lads owe Down big time. Just look at the records;
1. Never beat Down in Croker when it mattered.
2. Never got to lay hands on them during the 70s and 80s Hay Days (quote from O'Dwyer I think)
3. Only managed one point against Down in the whole of the 2nd half in 91 semi. Only Pat the puke was capable of scoring a single pt
4. Same game signalled the end of Pat the puke and TV viewers have suffered ever since.
5. Same game included a humiliation of Pat's Bro Tom, a soccer novice turned him over scoring 2goals.
Watch Ky put all that crap to bed on Sat. Guess all the pressure will be on Down ;) ;D
If Down lose then they stand to lose a very important part of their footballing heritage i.e that they have never lost to Kerry. We have played 30 games in Croker over the last 10 years....for us it is just another quarter final. The Kerry v Down thing means much more to Down than it does to us.
.....So, do you really think Kerry will be feeling more pressure than Down ?
extra time was v meath early 90s. i was at that nat lg match v kerry with a good friend Dan Murphy from Doagh near Abbeyfeile. sadly Dan has since passed away r.i.p but he enjoyed the win that day and many more days as he followed kerry to the last. he loved coming up north and getting the craic about football.he would have loved the banter on sat and will be sadly missed.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 27, 2010, 09:21:21 PM
If Down lose then they stand to lose a very important part of their footballing heritage i.e that they have never lost to Kerry. We have played 30 games in Croker over the last 10 years....for us it is just another quarter final. The Kerry v Down thing means much more to Down than it does to us.
.....So, do you really think Kerry will be feeling more pressure than Down ?
Shite, even more pressure so.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 09:09:51 PM
Kerry V Down on Saturday! Down need to beware those Ky lads owe Down big time. Just look at the records;
1. Never beat Down in Croker when it mattered.
2. Never got to lay hands on them during the 70s and 80s Hay Days (quote from O'Dwyer I think)
3. Only managed one point against Down in the whole of the 2nd half in 91 semi. Only Pat the puke was capable of scoring a single pt
4. Same game signalled the end of Pat the puke and TV viewers have suffered ever since.
5. Same game included a humiliation of Pat's Bro Tom, a soccer novice turned him over scoring 2goals.
Watch Ky put all that crap to bed on Sat. Guess all the pressure will be on Down ;) ;D
fancy kerry to fix that on sunday despite no thomas or galvin. we'll need to be wide awake to survive tho and down wont want to lose their record against kerry. on that note a heading from the New York Times in sept 1960 or 61 at the end of the Cuban missile crisis was in our house for years along with a picture of the kerry team. it was 'Khrushchev backs Down' when Nikita Khrushchev soviet premier agreed not to put the missiles in Cuba at the 11th hour thus ending the crisis. My da a longtime new york gael thought it was very funny and loved showing it.
Quote from: magickingdom on July 27, 2010, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 09:09:51 PM
Kerry V Down on Saturday! Down need to beware those Ky lads owe Down big time. Just look at the records;
1. Never beat Down in Croker when it mattered.
2. Never got to lay hands on them during the 70s and 80s Hay Days (quote from O'Dwyer I think)
3. Only managed one point against Down in the whole of the 2nd half in 91 semi. Only Pat the puke was capable of scoring a single pt
4. Same game signalled the end of Pat the puke and TV viewers have suffered ever since.
5. Same game included a humiliation of Pat's Bro Tom, a soccer novice turned him over scoring 2goals.
Watch Ky put all that crap to bed on Sat. Guess all the pressure will be on Down ;) ;D
fancy kerry to fix that on sunday despite no thomas or galvin. we'll need to be wide awake to survive tho and down wont want to lose their record against kerry. on that note a heading from the New York Times in sept 1960 or 61 at the end of the Cuban missile crisis was in our house for years along with a picture of the kerry team. it was 'Khrushchev backs Down' when Nikita Khrushchev soviet premier agreed not to put the missiles in Cuba at the 11th hour thus ending the crisis. My da a longtime new york gael thought it was very funny and loved showing it.
Excellent!
Anyone who thinks that results from 50 years ago will put the current Kerry team under pressure needs to get a reality check.
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 27, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on July 27, 2010, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 09:09:51 PM
Kerry V Down on Saturday! Down need to beware those Ky lads owe Down big time. Just look at the records;
1. Never beat Down in Croker when it mattered.
2. Never got to lay hands on them during the 70s and 80s Hay Days (quote from O'Dwyer I think)
3. Only managed one point against Down in the whole of the 2nd half in 91 semi. Only Pat the puke was capable of scoring a single pt
4. Same game signalled the end of Pat the puke and TV viewers have suffered ever since.
5. Same game included a humiliation of Pat's Bro Tom, a soccer novice turned him over scoring 2goals.
Watch Ky put all that crap to bed on Sat. Guess all the pressure will be on Down ;) ;D
fancy kerry to fix that on sunday despite no thomas or galvin. we'll need to be wide awake to survive tho and down wont want to lose their record against kerry. on that note a heading from the New York Times in sept 1960 or 61 at the end of the Cuban missile crisis was in our house for years along with a picture of the kerry team. it was 'Khrushchev backs Down' when Nikita Khrushchev soviet premier agreed not to put the missiles in Cuba at the 11th hour thus ending the crisis. My da a longtime new york gael thought it was very funny and loved showing it.
Excellent!
Anyone who thinks that results from 50 years ago will put the current Kerry team under pressure needs to get a reality check.
Just a historical correction here. The Cuban Missile Crisis took place in October of 1962, not September of 1960 or 1961. So if you had a copy of the NY Times, it was a fake. I remember practicing "duck and cover" under our desks in my 3rd grade classroom. Scary time that was for us..Mrs redandblack4ever.
1. Never beat Down in Croker when it mattered. - We will give you that one but its history get over it
2. Never got to lay hands on them during the 70s and 80s Hay Days (quote from O'Dwyer I think) - or the 20's 30's 40's etc... or the 00's cause ye were just shite
3. Only managed one point against Down in the whole of the 2nd half in 91 semi. Only Pat the puke was capable of scoring a single pt - and Pat was nearly 40 with 8 All Ireland medals and 2 wonky knees at the time, some man.
4. Same game signalled the end of Pat the puke and TV viewers have suffered ever since. - he was playing top level football for 17 years, at least something good came out of his retirement ;)
5. Same game included a humiliation of Pat's Bro Tom, a soccer novice turned him over scoring 2goals. - Withnill & I (I once scored 3 goals in a club match against Tom Spillane but you dont see me boasting about it)
QuoteSame game included a humiliation of Pat's Bro Tom, a soccer novice turned him over scoring 2goals. - Withnill & I (I once scored 3 goals in a club match against Tom Spillane but you dont see me boasting about it)
Would never pass much heed on who scores what in an U12 game!!!!
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 27, 2010, 10:35:19 PM
1. Never beat Down in Croker when it mattered. - We will give you that one but its history get over it
2. Never got to lay hands on them during the 70s and 80s Hay Days (quote from O'Dwyer I think) - or the 20's 30's 40's etc... or the 00's cause ye were just shite
3. Only managed one point against Down in the whole of the 2nd half in 91 semi. Only Pat the puke was capable of scoring a single pt - and Pat was nearly 40 with 8 All Ireland medals and 2 wonky knees at the time, some man.
4. Same game signalled the end of Pat the puke and TV viewers have suffered ever since. - he was playing top level football for 17 years, at least something good came out of his retirement ;)
5. Same game included a humiliation of Pat's Bro Tom, a soccer novice turned him over scoring 2goals. - Withnill & I (I once scored 3 goals in a club match against Tom Spillane but you dont see me boasting about it)
You are now. :)
So what you're saying is that Pat was a better defender than Tom?
But surely Pat was a half forward?
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 27, 2010, 07:43:48 PM
SDC , that's pretty clear but I'm still not 100% this report is entirely accurate.I was at the game and remember that Kerry were way better.However, I also (vaguely) remember our CHF Shorty Trainor getting sent off but being able to come back on in extra time ?I will explore old clippings etc although it would have been some collapse to lose by 11 in extra-time.
Defo went to extra time, i was at that game. I remember we had a great chance to win that game when Mickey Linden set up Shorty for goal but was disallowed for square ball and later shorty was sent off for saying something to ref..
A lot of Down folks on here making eejits of themselves!
We have no right to be bumming about tradition when we have won f**k all in 20 years!
Hopefully we perform well and keep things close.
If we do then it will have been a superb 1st season for James and co.
If we get stuffed it will take the shine off what has been major progress + s/thing to build on in div 1 next year.
But seriously lads cut out the bullshit bravado for I fear we are about to walk into green/gold storm
This is going to be good.
I don't think Down will get a tanking as Mc Iver and Jerome Johnstone are as cute as they come. Everygame this year we've been in with a shout up until the last 5. While Tyrone strangled us for 45 minutes we we still had goal chances to draw level at the end and missed silly frees in both halves.So the organisation is there.Next- Tally seems to have them fit at the right time- they peaked too early over the last few years - he also seems to have a fair amount of say during the games - not so sure about this. James is the most confident player I've ever seen and no doubt the old 'Jack O'Shea/what's it like to share with a legend' story will get a few more airings over the next few days. He has brought this to management with both Queens and Down- can't say much about his short periods with St Galls and Ballinderry but they are significant in terms of man management. He has great composure and is a winner at Croke Park- minor and senior - was the MOM in 91 and scored the winner in 94.So good on the line.
On the team-we have top men in Dan Gordon,Ambrose Rogers, Marty Clarke and Benny Coulter.
They would be well in contention for places on the Kerry team. In the next division we have Dee Raffery,Kalum King, Danny Hughes and John Clarke. Would all make the Kerry panel. The rest would have been on minor panels for the Kingdom possibly with the exception of Mc Comiskey, who on his day could join the first four. But what James has done is build a team. Marty Clarke's professional experience has been immense- the Kerrymen will know what Kinnelly brought to them last year.I really want to see the team tested against the best- if we get close, draw or win it will be up there with the best.
I enjoy the Kerry posters ,especially Kerry Mike, so the next few days will be fun but the real fun starts at 2pm on Saturday. The ref will be important- anybody but Kinneavy
here you go Dubh Driocht....
GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship 2010
Quarter FinalKerry V Down
Time: 2 00 PM, Venue: Páirc an Chrócaigh
Referee: Joe Mc Quillan
Extratime playable
Looking forward to it , Down are a great unknown for us, having never played them in recent times either in the league or championship and have only seen bits of them on TV recently. On paper Kerry will win, but there was never a game yet won on paper thankfullly. Its all on the day but thats the joys of sport.
It was 1993 National League Quarter Final at Croker - Kerry won in extra time
Down team: Eamonn Connolly, Miceal Magill, Brian Burns, Paul Higgins, John Kelly, Barry Breen, D J Kane, Eamon Burns, Conor Deegan, Ross Carr (capt), Greg Blaney, Gary Mason, Mickey Linden, Peter Withnell, Brendan Mason. Shorty Treanor came on as sub and was harshly sent off.
After the '68 final did one of the Down players say that Kerry football was at least 10 years behind?
That was Joe Lennon I believe. We then won 2 in a row whereas Down disappeared for almost quarter of a century ::)
It was typical nordie arrogance, jumping the gun and writing us off while blowing their own trumpet. A fair bit of it going on here as well.
Quote from: magickingdom on July 27, 2010, 09:57:25 PM
a heading from the New York Times in sept 1960 or 61 at the end of the Cuban missile crisis was in our house for years along with a picture of the kerry team. it was 'Khrushchev backs Down' when Nikita Khrushchev soviet premier agreed not to put the missiles in Cuba at the 11th hour thus ending the crisis. My da a longtime new york gael thought it was very funny and loved showing it.
Good one MK
Quote from: redandblack4ever on July 27, 2010, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 27, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on July 27, 2010, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 09:09:51 PM
Kerry V Down on Saturday! Down need to beware those Ky lads owe Down big time. Just look at the records;
1. Never beat Down in Croker when it mattered.
2. Never got to lay hands on them during the 70s and 80s Hay Days (quote from O'Dwyer I think)
3. Only managed one point against Down in the whole of the 2nd half in 91 semi. Only Pat the puke was capable of scoring a single pt
4. Same game signalled the end of Pat the puke and TV viewers have suffered ever since.
5. Same game included a humiliation of Pat's Bro Tom, a soccer novice turned him over scoring 2goals.
Watch Ky put all that crap to bed on Sat. Guess all the pressure will be on Down ;) ;D
fancy kerry to fix that on sunday despite no thomas or galvin. we'll need to be wide awake to survive tho and down wont want to lose their record against kerry. on that note a heading from the New York Times in sept 1960 or 61 at the end of the Cuban missile crisis was in our house for years along with a picture of the kerry team. it was 'Khrushchev backs Down' when Nikita Khrushchev soviet premier agreed not to put the missiles in Cuba at the 11th hour thus ending the crisis. My da a longtime new york gael thought it was very funny and loved showing it.
Excellent!
Anyone who thinks that results from 50 years ago will put the current Kerry team under pressure needs to get a reality check.
Just a historical correction here. The Cuban Missile Crisis took place in October of 1962, not September of 1960 or 1961. So if you had a copy of the NY Times, it was a fake. I remember practicing "duck and cover" under our desks in my 3rd grade classroom. Scary time that was for us..Mrs redandblack4ever.
it was a 1962 headline so i wasnt around at the time redandblack - born a few years later than that! it was a framed ny times heading with the kerry and down teams from then. it got many a laugh from visitors to our house
I am sure that a lot of Kerry people are delighted to be playing Down as the fact that Down have a 100% record against them is obviously something they are not happy about. It shows the greatness of those Down teams that they have such a good record against the Kingdom. I was at 2 of those games and although I live a lot nearer to Kerry than to Down, i will be cheering for Down on Saturday. Hopefully they will do well, but I fear that after the match, the record in Championship meetings between the two counties will read Down 4; Kerry 1.
I hope Down do well but I honestly can't see them getting within 5 of Kerry :-\
Quotethat Down have a 100% record against them is obviously something they are not happy about
Its something that does not cause me or I assume any Kerry people to lose much sleep about to be honest, Down have not come into our thoughts for a long long time, you know the media will drag up the history and comparisons all week that's their job to make things sound interesting.
Down have a great record and that will never be taken away from them they are up there with Cavan as the Ulster Kingpins, their team in the 60's were legends in their time and in an era when Kerry also won a few and Galway won their 3 in a row it was a good time for football. Unfortunatley their wins did not kick start football in Ulster until their second coming in the 90's, which did rouse Derry and Donegal however briefly as well and it took Armagh's success in the early 00's which has somehow created a Tyrone monster that is best not spoken about to create the curent high profile for Ulster teams, so maybe this may be the start of the 3rd Reich for Down, time will tell.
I'm only delighted to be back in Croke Park again at the business end of the season and to try and keep our 100% record in quarter finals intact, if Kerry win it will be another step along the way to hopefully keeping control of Mr Maguire for another year, and thats all we care about.
'tis but am in the big smoke anyway. T'would be a 6 hour drive on Sat morning otherwise.
Yerra Mike, don't be with the Béal Bocht now. Sure them new roads and motorways mean it's about 2 hours 10 minutes from Cahirciveen, say 2.20 from Waterville, to Limerick, and now it's about 2 hours from Limerick to Dublin. Say 4.30 total. 6 hours my barney.
But Kerry people do be avoiding them tolls where possible....you could end up in some god forsaken place in Offaly trying to scout around them.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 01:09:16 PM
But Kerry people do be avoiding them tolls where possible....you could end up in some god forsaken place in Offaly trying to scout around them.
You wouldn't because we have Border patrols checking for illegal alien Kerrymen trying to come in and steal our turf, because the bogs down there are cat malodeon.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 01:09:16 PM
But Kerry people do be avoiding them tolls where possible....you could end up in some god forsaken place in Offaly trying to scout around them.
Mind now that all the old national routes that are the alternative to the tolled roads are down to 80. Lad I know used to take them all the time until he was done for speeding, the €80 fine fairly knocked back his savings... :D
Ah jaysus the auld Massey Ferguson would be doing well to get over 80.
Quote from: goldenyears on July 27, 2010, 11:17:00 PM
A lot of Down folks on here making eejits of themselves!
We have no right to be bumming about tradition when we have won f**k all in 20 years!
Hopefully we perform well and keep things close.
If we do then it will have been a superb 1st season for James and co.
If we get stuffed it will take the shine off what has been major progress + s/thing to build on in div 1 next year.
But seriously lads cut out the bullshit bravado for I fear we are about to walk into green/gold storm
i Agree 100% with goldenyears, Lads some of these Down posts are setting us up for a fall. we have only played Kerry 4 times in Championship, yes they have never beaten us but sat in all Probability they will.
If your gonna post comments about traditions then we arent on the same planet as the best footballing county in the country.
I believe Haganstand is looking for posters.
Down will find it really really hard going on saturday Kerry know Croke Park inside out the Down team barely remember how to even get their.
Granted tradition means nothing once the ball is thrown up.
Best of luck Down looking forward to it.
And Kerry if you beat us best of luck in giving Tyrone a footballing lesson in the final , im sick to death of watching the c.rap they play.
I think this could possibly be the game of the championship, 2 teams that play football and try not to desert their traditions by going negative, which is probably why we have failed to make an impact at Provinical level in a long time.
Anyway lads there's nothing wrong with having belief for Sunday, there is a difference between cockiness and belief, i personally believe we can win and it's got nothing to do with records, tradition and all the associated bullshit but about the 15 men in red and black and the 15 in green and gold they are pairing off against and I think I have seen enough this year to justify why i believe we can win
anyway best of luck to the lads and hopefully whoever wins will win the whole thing (hope it's down though ;D )
Its that kind of attitude which could well see Down bate on Saturday - with limited appreciation and understanding for the way the modern game has evolved from their catch and kick days I really feel for them being cut in two by a cynical Kerry outfit. History, tradition will not help on Saturday. The 1994 AI final was one of the most negative displays of football Ive ever seen.
Quote from: Banana Man on July 28, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
I think this could possibly be the game of the championship, 2 teams that play football and try not to desert their traditions by going negative, which is probably why we have failed to make an impact at Provinical level in a long time.
Anyway lads there's nothing wrong with having belief for Sunday, there is a difference between cockiness and belief, i personally believe we can win and it's got nothing to do with records, tradition and all the associated bullshit but about the 15 men in red and black and the 15 in green and gold they are pairing off against and I think I have seen enough this year to justify why i believe we can win
anyway best of luck to the lads and hopefully whoever wins will win the whole thing (hope it's down though ;D )
As a Down man i'll be having belief at 2pm on Saturday, good luck to you for Sunday. ;)
QuoteQuote from: Banana Man on Today at 02:24:54 PM
I think this could possibly be the game of the championship, 2 teams that play football and try not to desert their traditions by going negative, which is probably why we have failed to make an impact at Provinical level in a long time.
Anyway lads there's nothing wrong with having belief for Sunday, there is a difference between cockiness and belief, i personally believe we can win and it's got nothing to do with records, tradition and all the associated bullshit but about the 15 men in red and black and the 15 in green and gold they are pairing off against and I think I have seen enough this year to justify why i believe we can win
anyway best of luck to the lads and hopefully whoever wins will win the whole thing (hope it's down though )
As a Down man i'll be having belief at 2pm on Saturday, good luck to you for Sunday.
Is it too late to say I meant because we will win on saturday and i'm looking forward to the semi finals :D
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
Its that kind of attitude which could well see Down bate on Saturday - with limited appreciation and understanding for the way the modern game has evolved from their catch and kick days I really feel for them being cut in two by a cynical Kerry outfit. History, tradition will not help on Saturday. The 1994 AI final was one of the most negative displays of football Ive ever seen.
dont know what about negative, more scrappy, could have been something to do with the driving rain throughout the game.
on a more serious note, good to see golderyears keeping everyones feet on the ground, someone had to do it. far too many people getting ahead of themselves and getting excited about a team that realistically has beaten no one. think we should note that tyrone more or less threw the anglo celt in the boot of the car and forgot about it, they have bigger prizes to chase.
anyway good to still be in the champonship at this stage, looking forward to saturday.
Who said Down were going to win --- not me
Quote from: Banana Man on July 28, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
I think this could possibly be the game of the championship, 2 teams that play football and try not to desert their traditions by going negative, which is probably why we have failed to make an impact at Provinical level in a long time.
Anyway lads there's nothing wrong with having belief for Sunday, there is a difference between cockiness and belief, i personally believe we can win and it's got nothing to do with records, tradition and all the associated bullshit but about the 15 men in red and black and the 15 in green and gold they are pairing off against and I think I have seen enough this year to justify why i believe we can win
anyway best of luck to the lads and hopefully whoever wins will win the whole thing (hope it's down though ;D )
Have you watched either of these teams playing football recently. Kerry in last years Al-Ireland final give one of the most negative displays I have ever seen from an All Ireland winning team.
As for Down, well 'wee James' has instilled a defensive mindset into his side to rival any other county in Ireland. I would suggest that the main reason why Down have not made an impact at provincial level is because they simply aren't good enough.
Anyway Kerry to win by at least 6 points on Saturday and to march onwards to their 7th final in a row. Arguably the greatest side of all time although the Kerry side of 1975-86 might have something to say about that even if it was in a way less competitive era.
QuoteKerry in last years Al-Ireland final give one of the most negative displays I have ever seen from an All Ireland winning team.
Yea we gave Cork a head start of a good few points in the first 15 mins and then played them off the field with some brilliant points from all angles, if thats negative, I suggest watching some other sport. I feel for you.
Quoteeven if it was in a way less competitive era.
It was very competive but its just we were better than what the competition could throw at us.
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
Its that kind of attitude which could well see Down bate on Saturday - with limited appreciation and understanding for the way the modern game has evolved from their catch and kick days I really feel for them being cut in two by a cynical Kerry outfit. History, tradition will not help on Saturday. The 1994 AI final was one of the most negative displays of football Ive ever seen.
Not sure how you figured that one out...Mickey Linden gave one of THE great attacking displays seen in Croke Park in modern times that day...but sure if you think thats negative.... ???
5Sams looks like we both have to explain true football to the little people ;)
Down need everyone playing in top gear on Saturday and even at that its a big ask. Its hard to believe Benny Coulter has never faced Kerry in his whole career at any level. I suppose its indicitave of where Down have been in that period.
PP Odds.
Kerry 3/10
Draw 10/1
Down 3/1
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 10:24:39 PM
5Sams looks like we both have to expain true football to the little people ;)
Sin fíor Mike. Anyway back to Saturday...and the occasion...it's like the Irish Real Madrid V the Irish Man United. Us being Man United....just a few titles behind you :) ;) ;)
Forget about the Wimbledons and Wigans of this world sniping in the background :D :D
Wouldn't it be great to be back to these days again!
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Breaking news from the Kingdom this evening and a day early too
The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Down in All Ireland Quarter Final Saturday 31st July has just been released and is as follows:
1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin
2. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 3. Tommy Griffin Dingle 4. Tom O' Sullivan Rathmore
5. Aidan O'Mahony Rathmore 6. Mike McCarthy Kilcummin 7. Killian Young Renard
8. Seamus Scanlon Currow 9. Micheál Quirke Kerins O'Rahillys
10. Darran O' Sullivan Glenbeigh /Glencar 11. Declan O' Sullivan Piarsaigh Na Dromada 12. Donnacha Walsh Cromane
13. Colm Cooper Dr Crokes 14. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 15. Bryan Sheehan (Captain) St. Mary's
Subs: 16 David Hennessey Kerins O'Rahillys 17. Anthony Maher Duagh 18 Barry John Keane Kerins O'Rahillys
19. David Moran Kerins O'Rahillys 20. Daniel Bohan Austin Stacks 21. Kieran O'Leary Dr. Crokes
22. Adrian O'Connell St Michael's Foilmore 23. Niall O'Mahony Spa 24. Jonathan Lyne. Legion
25. Johnny Buckley Dr. Crokes 26. Brendan Guiney Listowel Emmett's 27. David O'Callaghan St. Pat's Blennerville
Bit of a surprise seeing Quirke start but otherwise we line out as expected
Hope O ' Mahony does the job at 5 instead of Tomas.
In all honesty that's a weak enough Kerry team. 3 forwards there not as useful as the usual Kerry ones. Tomas O'Ses drive will be badly missed and the midfield could be better.
All that is for Kerry standards mind... Still should have enough to beat Down.
Playing only 3 forwards should even things up then ::)
I would fancy our midfield against Quirke and Scanlon...I worry about the Gooch as everyone else in Ireland does...BUT if we win midfield he doesnt get the ball...and no Galvin to win the dirty ball. We live in hope...I think John Clarke will give Tommy G a headache ....Marc will be assigned to pick up Marty Clarke...the key in the full forward line then is will Tom Sullivan be fit to curtail Benny...(assuming Benny's fit)....Declan could be the key at CHF...can't f**king wait...bring it on :)
Kerry don't need to win midfield. 40% will do them and it has in many matches. Its what they do with that possession afterwards that counts.
Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2010, 11:05:30 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on July 28, 2010, 11:03:16 PM
Kerry don't need to win midfield. 40% will do them and it has in many matches. Its what they do with that possession afterwards that counts.
If the Kerry midfield won 5%, they'd still get enough ball into their forwards to do damage.
They won a lot more than 5% in 2002 against the great one in a row team.....one game that proves that anything can happen in football.
I think Down will win this. Kerry are very shaky when they meet teams they are unfamiliar with. Over the last decade Kerry lost to or struggled against teams they don't see regularly. Down are another of these teams. While Down are not as good as Armagh and Tyrone were at the start of the decade they are better than the Monaghan, Antrim, Sligo and longford teams Kerry had trouble beating. If it comes close at the end Kerry will struggle with the two big match winners missing. They guy who dragged them through against a poor Cork effort and the Guy who pullled them through the qualifiers last year. It's Down's to take.
Quote from: bcarrier on July 26, 2010, 10:24:56 AM
Head to Head
B McVeigh B Kealy Adv Down
D McCartan B Sheehan (capt) Adv Kerry
D Gordon K Donaghy Adv Kerry
D Rafferty C Cooper Adv Kerry
D Rooney D Walsh Adv Kerry
C Garvey Declan O'Sullivan Adv Kerry
K McKernan Darran O'Sullivan/Barry John Keane? Adv Kerry
A Rodgers S Scanlon Adv Down
K King M Quirke No Adv
D Hughes K Young Adv Down
M Poland M McCarthy Adv Kerry
P McComiskey A O'Mahony/ P Reidy No Adv
B Coulter T O'Sullivan Adv Down
J Clarke T Griffin Adv Kerry
M Clarke M Ó Sé No Adv
IMO Kerry on paper have edge in 8 Positions, 3 No adv, 4 Adv to Down.
Feck it Ive changed my mind ...Down ( and Dubs) to win on end of an era Saturday. That is a significantly weaker Kerry team than last year. Kealy , OMahony, Quirke, Walsh, Darran and Sheehan are well behind Murphy,Tomas, Darragh, Kennelly, Galvin and Tommy Walsh in my estimation.
B McVeigh B Kealy Adv Down
D McCartan B Sheehan (capt) No Adv
D Gordon K Donaghy No Adv ( on Stars 2010 form)
D Rafferty C Cooper Adv Kerry
D Rooney D Walsh No Adv
C Garvey Declan O'Sullivan Adv Kerry
K McKernan Darran O'Sullivan Adv Kerry
A Rodgers S Scanlon Adv Down
K King M Quirke No Adv
D Hughes K Young No Adv
M Poland M McCarthy Adv Kerry
P McComiskey A O'Mahony Adv Down ( boy wonder finds form)
B Coulter T O'Sullivan Adv Down
J Clarke T Griffin Adv Kerry
M Clarke M Ó Sé Adv Down
Quote from: Frank Casey on July 28, 2010, 11:03:16 PM
Kerry don't need to win midfield. 40% will do them and it has in many matches. Its what they do with that possession afterwards that counts.
I might beg to differ with Galvin missing :-\
QuoteI think Down will win this. Kerry are very shaky when they meet teams they are unfamiliar with.
More a case of Kerry being very shaky when they meet teams they don't rate. Down having something over Kerry raises them as a target.
I think the key to this will be Declan O'Sullivan. If he can run at the Down defence, and drive Kerry on from the half forward line, Kerry can win this, but if Down dominate there, and get the ball into Coulter (how's his injury) and John Clarke, they'll have a great chance.
I saw Martin Clarke in the 2005 (I think) minor final, and I thought at the time he was the archetype centre forward. It should be a fascinating clash of centre forward play when you compare him to the more dynamic, ball carrying Declan O'Sullivan.
I'll be in a snug in Cahirciveen somewhere, with the help of God, watching this one, can't wait.
By the way KM, every time I see a Kerry team named, I'm amazed at the amount of players from small, junior clubs. If them clubs were transferred up to Offaly, you'd have about 4 from Stacks, 6 from Rahillys, 3 from Crokes and 4 from an Gaelteacht on the panel. The likes of Dromid, Kilcummin, Rathmore, Renard, Finuge, Glenbeigh and Cromane wouldn't have a hope of being represented. I think that, more than anything else, is the 'secret' of Kerry. All players, even from small clubs, get the chance to play and train at a high club level through the South Kerrys, East Kerrys, Saint Brendans of the world, so they can a) prove themselves and b) be ready to step up to a county panel.
Quoteis the 'secret' of Kerry
sssssshhhhhh you are spending too much time in the Kingdom. Enjoy the music festival, will be in Croker doing my biteen for the county.
But its great to see small clubs getting a chance and to see their man up at the top level , the divisional structure is a great thing when used properly and I think Jack has the balance right at the moment. Lads can play Intermediate, Junior or novice with their club but still play senior level county championship with their division which gives them double the exposure. Its a system that need refreshing all the time and Jack has added well to the Kerry panel again this year with all the defections from last year, since our last visit to Croker in the All Ireland Final last year we will be missing 6 starters from that day and also 9 subs. Big changes to the panel this year which many outsiders may not be aware of.
Anyway all this talk of dominating Kerry's midfield should be in the myth section, Seamus Scanlon has been a great workhorse for the last few years and rarely comes out in second place, and even though Mike Quirke may not be the most mobile he will still win a lot of primary ball and he will distribute it quickly, not many beat him in the air, Cork have huge men in the midfield area yet they hate it when Quirke is playing he spooks them out I think, and then you have David Moran & Anthony Maher primed on the bench, I'd have no worries with our midfield at least holding their own. Its the full back line I'm concerned about
Can't for the life of me see where all this optimism from Down fans is coming from. We're going to get pumped
Kerry's team talk will be short and sweet on Saturday morning, Lets do it for Paul and Tomás I can see the Kerry lads really burst a gut to try an get a semi final place secured for the return of the 2 buckos.
Kerry by 5.
Clarke will freeze again on the big day and Down will resort to pumping high ball in to Benny again.
No hope whatsoever. Struggled against an average Donegal, forgot how to play when Tyrone turned the screw, Should have been beat out the door by Offally in the first 10 minutes in Tullamore , Fair enough we thumped sligo. I have been to all these games and do not see any optimism at all of beating Kerry.
But again i will follow them in hope more than anything that we have one big performance in us that might be a turning point.
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A horse of a man.
Much has been made many times about the great strength in depth of the Kerry panel, where "even the subs have All-Ireland medals", etc.
So, why is it that they always need to call upon their "prodigal sons" to return to the panel? e.g. last year Mike McCarthy, and now Aidan O'Mahoney.
Does Jack O'Connor not trust his bench?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 10:48:55 AM
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A horse of a man.
What height is Quirke????
Has Daniel Bohans injury cleared up??? He has a lot of family in Mayobridge :)
Quirke is 6'7" , yes Bohane looks to be fit he is in the subs anyway, ye are as bad as the Tyronies trying to claim one of our own or else there are alot of northies settled around Rock Street inTralee, the home of the famed Austin Stacks
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 11:36:01 AM
Quirke is 6'7" , yes Bohane looks to be fit he is in the subs anyway, ye are as bad as the Tyronies trying to claim one of our own or else there are alot of northies settled around Rock Street inTralee, the home of the famed Austin Stacks
His father is a Bridge man!! Thats were his talents lie :) Jesus i thought Kalum King was big at 6'3"... Quirke has impressed me a lot over the years!!! He has been unlucky in that Darragh was around for so long!!!
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 11:36:01 AM
Quirke is 6'7" , yes Bohane looks to be fit he is in the subs anyway, ye are as bad as the Tyronies trying to claim one of our own or else there are alot of northies settled around Rock Street inTralee, the home of the famed Austin Stacks
That'd be like Osama Bin Laden settling in the Sistine Chapel
The changes in personel from the last game we played in Croke Park last September
2010 2009
1. Brendan Kealy Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc Ó Sé Marc Ó Sé
3. Tommy Griffin Tommy Griffin
4. Tom O' Sullivan Tom O' Sullivan
5. Aidan O'Mahony Tomas O'Se
6. Mike McCarthy Mike McCarthy
7. Killian Young Killian Young
8. Seamus Scanlon Darragh O'Se
9. Micheál Quirke Seamus Scanlon
10. Darran O'Sullivan Paul Galvin
11. Declan O'Sullivan Declan O'Sullivan
12. Donnacha Walsh Tadhg Kennelly
13. Colm Cooper Colm Cooper
14. Kieran Donaghy Tommy Walsh
15. Bryan Sheehan Darran O'Sullivan
16 David Hennessey Ger Reidy
17. Anthony Maher Aidan O'Mahony
18 Barry John Keane Donnacha Walsh
19. David Moran Bryan Sheehan
20. Daniel Bohan Micheal Quirke
21. Kieran O'Leary Paul O'Connor
22. Adrian O'Connell Padraig Reidy
23. Niall O'Mahony David Moran
24. Jonathan Lyne Anthony Maher
25. Johnny Buckley Sean O'Sullivan
26. Brendan Guiney Daniel Bohan
27. David O'Callaghan Kieran Donaghy
28 Aidan O'Shea
29 Maurice Corridan
30 Barry John Walsh
QuoteMuch has been made many times about the great strength in depth of the Kerry panel, where "even the subs have All-Ireland medals", etc.
So, why is it that they always need to call upon their "prodigal sons" to return to the panel? e.g. last year Mike McCarthy, and now Aidan O'Mahoney.
Does Jack O'Connor not trust his bench?
When you compare 2009 to today Jack has put great trust in his bench with 5 of last years subs starting on Sat including O'Mahony with the goalie the only new player to break straight onto the starting team, and I'm sure when the time comes those currently on the bench serving their apprenticeships will be well able to step up to the mark.
But its also good to see lads like McCarthy and O'Mahony and the likes of Tyrone's Stephen O'Neill getting their hunger back for the game, players get burnt out year after year and sometimes need some time out and if they are good enough when they return then no problem in them getting their place, if that means some fellow in the panel being pissed off so be it , they will have to work harder to get back in. Brendan Guiney has returned to the panel this year having been out for 3 years, he has played a part in 2 All Ireland wins coming on as a sub in 2 finals, 2004 and 2006 and that was a reward for what he brings to training but he will probably never break into the starting team.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 12:02:58 PM
When you compare 2009 to today Jack has put great trust in his bench with 5 of last years subs starting on Sat including O'Mahony, and I'm sure when the time comes those currently on the bench serving their apprenticeships will be well able to step up to the mark.
I would have thought he's been forced to play his bench rather than put great trust in them.
Missing Galvin, Walsh, Kennelly and 2 O'Ses from 2009. It's not trust - it's necessity.
While Kerry should win this match that team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone. I think any team with a Kerry jersey on would strike the fear of God in Cork mind. This is as good a chance as Down will get to beat Kerry.
Nonetheless Mike, it is a valid point. If a bench was truly strong, you would not be getting lads out of retirement/exile to fill gaps, you would be able to cover for it from within the panel.
However, I do think that these are exceptional players, and exceptional circumstances, particularly in the case of McCarthy. Centre back was one area where Kerry were exposed, and they did not have a bench to fill the gap. That's self evident.
I think the strength of Kerry's bench is in the non-core positions. Lads like the Barry Johns and the likes of Kieran O'Leary, Darren O'Sullivan, Pauric Reidy etc are perfectly able subs for wing forward, corner back etc, but Kerry's bench is not so strong that they have a ready made Centre Back, Centre Forward, even Midfielder, sitting there champing at the bit.
we have always had a percieved lack of cover on the bench for the backs, its no different this year, and while the full back line does lack cover with Reidy's enforced absense both Young and O'Mahony are no strangers to that line and even Bohan did a great job in Full back a few years ago against Galway when needed and Adrian OConnell will step up if called upon in the half line
Midfield has both Moran and Maher available and though not household names they have been the back up the last few years and will do a job when called upon, the forward cover also looks light but Barry John has done well in all his outings to date and O'Leary is another who given the opportunity will thrive.
We are where we are and will see on Sat if we have the strength or not.
QuoteThat'd be like Osama Bin Laden settling in the Sistine Chapel
Those Rockies are clannish alright.
Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Id say saturday will see the shift in Ulster teams traditionally supporting eachother. after they beat Down in Belfast their support were very arrogant. I for one will be cheering on the Dubs.The sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
QuoteThe sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
Pat Spillane would be proud of you..
Quote from: snoopdog on July 29, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Id say saturday will see the shift in Ulster teams traditionally supporting eachother. after they beat Down in Belfast their support were very arrogant. I for one will be cheering on the Dubs.The sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
I suppose you can't wait to the Sunday Game to see what Pat Spillane tells you to think next?
I don't understand why Down people would cheer for Dublin. I was always taught to cheer for Ulster teams no matter who they were playing. I will admit that I don't like Armagh, but if they were in a quarter-final, semi-final, or All Ireland Final, I would definitely be pulling for them.
I'm looking forward to both games on Saturday morning. Thank God Setanta is televising the two of them. It'll be a rather early start to the day, 8:00 am, my heart is with Down, but the brain tells me that Kerry will win this.
Good luck to both Down and Tyrone on Saturday.
Mrs. redandblack4 ever
Quote from: amallon on July 28, 2010, 10:31:59 PM
Down need everyone playing in top gear on Saturday and even at that its a big ask. Its hard to believe Benny Coulter has never faced Kerry in his whole career at any level. I suppose its indicitave of where Down have been in that period.
PP Odds.
Kerry 3/10
Draw 10/1
Down 3/1
Most have Down at 3/1.
Mulhollands in Galway have them at 10/3 and bookie in Castlebar at 4/1. There must be stronger belief in West that Kerry can't be beaten 8)
Quote from: redandblack4ever on July 29, 2010, 02:50:59 PM
I was always taught to cheer for Ulster teams no matter who they were playing.
Why?
Quote from: snoopdog on July 29, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Id say saturday will see the shift in Ulster teams traditionally supporting eachother. after they beat Down in Belfast their support were very arrogant. I for one will be cheering on the Dubs.The sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
Not arrogant, just knew we were better ;)... I will be shouting for Down.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 29, 2010, 02:01:37 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 29, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Id say saturday will see the shift in Ulster teams traditionally supporting eachother. after they beat Down in Belfast their support were very arrogant. I for one will be cheering on the Dubs.The sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
I suppose you can't wait to the Sunday Game to see what Pat Spillane tells you to think next?
If you have to win an All Ireland by playing the Tyrone way then it aint worth it.
I would rather listen to Pat that that scruffy t.wat that writes in the irish news every friday.
Some counties have a tradition and reputation to uphold.
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Quote from: snoopdog on July 29, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Id say saturday will see the shift in Ulster teams traditionally supporting eachother. after they beat Down in Belfast their support were very arrogant. I for one will be cheering on the Dubs.The sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
I suppose you can't wait to the Sunday Game to see what Pat Spillane tells you to think next?
If you have to win an All Ireland by playing the Tyrone way then it aint worth it.
I would rather listen to Pat that that scruffy t.wat that writes in the irish news every friday.
Some counties have a tradition and reputation to uphold.
Trust me all Down folk are not this bad!!
The more the week goes on, the more I'm thinking Down have a chance.
When Kerry won the AIF last year, Down were not even thinking about playing them never mind beating them, but since then
1. New manager
2. New centre half forward
3. New confidence and a bit of flair
4. Down are coming off the back of a big win
5. Kerry have been sitting round for 4 weeks doing nothing
6. No Dara O'Se
7. No Tomas O'Se
8. No Paul Galvin
9. No Tadgh Kennelly
10. No Tommy Walsh
If Kerry played Down last September they would have won by 30 points.
But now...who knows!
It's all set up for Down, they will never have a better chance.
Quote from: T O Hare on July 29, 2010, 04:14:16 PM
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Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Id say saturday will see the shift in Ulster teams traditionally supporting eachother. after they beat Down in Belfast their support were very arrogant. I for one will be cheering on the Dubs.The sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
I suppose you can't wait to the Sunday Game to see what Pat Spillane tells you to think next?
If you have to win an All Ireland by playing the Tyrone way then it aint worth it.
I would rather listen to Pat that that scruffy t.wat that writes in the irish news every friday.
Some counties have a tradition and reputation to uphold.
Trust me all Down folk are not this bad!!
Oh I know, and I'll be supporting Down against Kerry (though to be TOTALLY honest, if Kerry were to win, I wouldn't be completely heartbroken because I'd absolutely love Tyrone to get another crack at them ;D ). That said, all the best on Sunday and I'll be cheering you all the way.
As for Snoop Dog Spillane here... what's it like to be a puppet who has to be told what to think by a bitter kerryman on RTÉ? Has nobody told you that the whole Puke football thing was seven years ago or have you been living under a rock since then? Your idol Pat is now in fact something of a fan of the Tyrone style of play. He was singing Tyrone praises on the Sunday Game after Tyrone beat An Dún in Casement, and apparently was even more full of praise for Tyrone in the Sunday World last week! I suppose you'll be thinking that Tyrone are wonderful now too? Or will ya have to find someone else to tell ya what to think instead now that Pat has divorced himself from the "Puke" football carry on?
jeysus lads is it any wonder the Normans came over and split the island up thanks to Dermot McMurrough and we all know what happened after that, we do nothing but fight with one another
I for one will be cheering on all my province's representatives i.e. Down at 2.00 and Tyrone at 4.00 and I make no apologies for backing Ulster.
I honestly think Down have a good chance otherwise what would be the point in turning up bt no matter what happens it will have been a good year and we will have high hopes for next year, until then we're still in it, Up Down!
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Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Id say saturday will see the shift in Ulster teams traditionally supporting eachother. after they beat Down in Belfast their support were very arrogant. I for one will be cheering on the Dubs.The sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
I suppose you can't wait to the Sunday Game to see what Pat Spillane tells you to think next?
If you have to win an All Ireland by playing the Tyrone way then it aint worth it.
I would rather listen to Pat that that scruffy t.wat that writes in the irish news every friday.
Some counties have a tradition and reputation to uphold.
Trust me all Down folk are not this bad!!
Oh I know, and I'll be supporting Down against Kerry (though to be TOTALLY honest, if Kerry were to win, I wouldn't be completely heartbroken because I'd absolutely love Tyrone to get another crack at them ;D ). That said, all the best on Sunday and I'll be cheering you all the way.
As for Snoop Dog Spillane here... what's it like to be a puppet who has to be told what to think by a bitter kerryman on RTÉ? Has nobody told you that the whole Puke football thing was seven years ago or have you been living under a rock since then? Your idol Pat is now in fact something of a fan of the Tyrone style of play. He was singing Tyrone praises on the Sunday Game after Tyrone beat An Dún in Casement, and apparently was even more full of praise for Tyrone in the Sunday World last week! I suppose you'll be thinking that Tyrone are wonderful now too? Or will ya have to find someone else to tell ya what to think instead now that Pat has divorced himself from the "Puke" football carry on?
Fair enough yes it was a few years ago. And tyrone did play football in 05 and 08 but what was that in their last 2 games. Surely Tyrone are better than that its not as if you dont have the players. Id personally love to see the Tyrone team play football and be released from the shackles that resort to strangling teams. you certainly have the players.
Im not having a personal jibe at Tyrone i just hate all this negative crap and i thought the game was finally getting away from it. If Tyrone go out and destroy Dublin on saturday playing the football we know they can then i will support you. But come on its like the United team of 1999 playing defensively, its a total waste of magnificent talen.
im only stating my opinion and you can be rest assured im no fan of spillane.
Maybe my previous rant was a bit strong but its only an opinion. Monaghan and Fermanagh played that way for a few years cause they didnt have the players, But Tyrone have class all over the pitch as you well know.
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Quotethat team wouldn't strike the fear of God ina team like Tyrone
Tyrone would be best worring about the Jackeens and not how we line out ;)
Id say saturday will see the shift in Ulster teams traditionally supporting eachother. after they beat Down in Belfast their support were very arrogant. I for one will be cheering on the Dubs.The sooner their PUKE football is killed off the better.
I suppose you can't wait to the Sunday Game to see what Pat Spillane tells you to think next?
If you have to win an All Ireland by playing the Tyrone way then it aint worth it.
I would rather listen to Pat that that scruffy t.wat that writes in the irish news every friday.
Some counties have a tradition and reputation to uphold.
Trust me all Down folk are not this bad!!
Oh I know, and I'll be supporting Down against Kerry (though to be TOTALLY honest, if Kerry were to win, I wouldn't be completely heartbroken because I'd absolutely love Tyrone to get another crack at them ;D ). That said, all the best on Sunday and I'll be cheering you all the way.
As for Snoop Dog Spillane here... what's it like to be a puppet who has to be told what to think by a bitter kerryman on RTÉ? Has nobody told you that the whole Puke football thing was seven years ago or have you been living under a rock since then? Your idol Pat is now in fact something of a fan of the Tyrone style of play. He was singing Tyrone praises on the Sunday Game after Tyrone beat An Dún in Casement, and apparently was even more full of praise for Tyrone in the Sunday World last week! I suppose you'll be thinking that Tyrone are wonderful now too? Or will ya have to find someone else to tell ya what to think instead now that Pat has divorced himself from the "Puke" football carry on?
Fair enough yes it was a few years ago. And tyrone did play football in 05 and 08 but what was that in their last 2 games. Surely Tyrone are better than that its not as if you dont have the players. Id personally love to see the Tyrone team play football and be released from the shackles that resort to strangling teams. you certainly have the players.
Im not having a personal jibe at Tyrone i just hate all this negative crap and i thought the game was finally getting away from it. If Tyrone go out and destroy Dublin on saturday playing the football we know they can then i will support you. But come on its like the United team of 1999 playing defensively, its a total waste of magnificent talen.
im only stating my opinion and you can be rest assured im no fan of spillane.
Maybe my previous rant was a bit strong but its only an opinion. Monaghan and Fermanagh played that way for a few years cause they didnt have the players, But Tyrone have class all over the pitch as you well know.
Fair play on a measured response :) And I do know what you are saying, we'd all like to see pretty football. I would say though that Tyrone on numerous occasions have only "turned it on" in the latter stages of successful campaigns. It would be unrealistic to expect a team to play sexy football through a full campaign. As I say, Tyrone often seem to really up a gear at this stage and have a number of players (particularly Owen Mulligan against the jacks) who seem to come into their best in Croke Park. I could be totally wrong, and am at odds with what Sean Cavanagh said in the paper today but I suspect that Tyrone will play a lot more open style of play than they have so far. Anyway, I'd say we're in the wrong thread with this discussion here and we're likely to soon feel the wrath of some cute hoors from Kerry. All the best for Sunday!!
I think the midfield battle will have an influence.Darragh was a God - his loss will be felt. Quirke has the physique but has he the engine ? The Kerrymen will see a good battle between Quirke and King - he's firm but fair !
Ambrose is the quality man of the 4 and Scanlon will need to cover a lot of ground. I think this is where Galvin and T O Se will be missed and while Down at 3 to 1 is about right, it is tempting .
Anything other than a hammering for Down would be a result but I don't think there will be more than 3 in it either way.Bring it on !
Have a dilemma in the second game as have a lot of time for the Dubs but admire the passion of Tyrone. A draw, with Sean Cavanagh and Alan Brogan getting 3 months each would be about right.
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I was always taught to cheer for Ulster teams no matter who they were playing.
Why?
Because my husband is a Down man born and bred. I guess I should've said the six Northern teams, but I do have special feelings for Monaghan. Not so much for Cavan or Donegal though.
The man who arranged for my husband's first job here in the US was a Monaghan man. As well as that, two of the guys my husband played with on the Chicago Wolfe Tones were Monaghan men and are very special friends to us both til this day.
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I was always taught to cheer for Ulster teams no matter who they were playing.
Why?
Because my husband is a Down man born and bred. I guess I should've said the six Northern teams, but I do have special feelings for Monaghan. Not so much for Cavan or Donegal though.
The man who arranged for my husband's first job here in the US was a Monaghan man. As well as that, two of the guys my husband played with on the Chicago Wolfe Tones were Monaghan men and are very special friends to us both til this day.
Christ, I'm going to puke. The thread has turned into an Ulster love in ::)
QuoteOh I know, and I'll be supporting Down against Kerry (though to be TOTALLY honest, if Kerry were to win, I wouldn't be completely heartbroken because I'd absolutely love Tyrone to get another crack at them
The Tyronies are gas you'd swear they had Dublin and and either Cork or Roscommon beaten already and were gearing up for a final, I hope you got a good rate on the Hotel in Sept, just make sure you have the right weekend.
Absolutely they are being fierce coy on the Tyrone v Dublin thread but their true view of Dublin is seeping out on other threads.
Rumour in Kerry is that Dara O'Se is training away and may make a surprise appearance for Kerry on Saturday.
QuoteRumour in Kerry is that Dara O'Se is training away
That would be Darragh....Of course he is training away as he is still playing with his club but is out at the moment with a broken bone in his arm.
Dont believe any rumours from Kerry, Bomber Liston was seen kicking a ball last week too..
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Flashback to 1991 as Kerry's Pat Spillane closes in on Down's DJ Kane during the All Ireland semi final at Croke Park
29 July 2010
Pat Spillane believes Down's 100 per cent winning record against Kerry in the championship will count for little on Saturday.
The Mournemen have recorded victories over the Munster giants in each of their four previous championship meetings, the last of which came in 1991 when Peter Whitnall bagged two goals in a 2-9 to 0-8 All-Ireland semi-final win, which also happened to be Spillane's last game for the Kingdom.
Speaking to the Irish Times, Spillane mused: "The Down thing? Ah, the past is the past. That is more a creation of the media. Sure Kerry have never beaten Fermanagh (who they've never met in the championship).
"When we were on top there was no trace of Down, in the 1970s and 1980s. If there had of been they would have been destroyed."
Yet Spillane gives the Down record against Kerry high praise. "It will give them confidence and be sure that Jack (O'Connor) will be mentioning it in his team talks this week."
Spillane has vivid memories of the aforementioned 1991 All-Ireland semi-final and partly blames Mick O'Dwyer for the Kingdom's demise that day.
"It was the poorest Kerry team I played on in 17 years. It was the last remains of O'Dwyer. He held on to everyone for so long that they all left at the same time - I think I was the last to go. It left a big vacuum as young fellas had not been blooded.
"We caught Cork by surprise in the semi-final and struggled past Limerick to win Munster. And then Maurice Fitz (Gerald) had a rare off day from frees against Down, but the game was still in the balance until the last 10 minutes."
With Darragh O Se, Tadhg Kennelly, Diarmuid Murphy and Tommy Walsh no longer involved and Paul Galvin and Tomas O Se serving suspensions, Spillane believes Kerry are especially vulnerable at the moment.
"This is the day Kerry will be at their weakest. They stumbled over Limerick and badly missed Paul Galvin, getting destroyed in midfield because he was not there to gobble up all the breaks. And now Tomás is gone. Kerry to win but in a close, competitive game," he added.
y'see, Pat agrees with me about that '91 team being the worst ever....and he gives short shrift to the whole Down hoodoo thing as wll. Although with Paul and Tomas missing as well as Dara, Tommy and Tadgh gone I fear that Ulsters most deceitful opportunists may have timed their run perfectly again.
Overall, very fair points by Pat. I always appreciate his insightful observations though he is much maligned on here.
Jeez, Spillane's 'mastery' of the English language is shocking:
QuoteSpillane makes light of history
Flashback to 1991 as Kerry's Pat Spillane closes in on Down's DJ Kane during the All Ireland semi final at Croke Park
29 July 2010
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"When we were on top there was no trace of Down, in the 1970s and 1980s. If there had of been they would have been destroyed."[/b]
Yet Spillane gives the Down record against Kerry high praise. "It will give them confidence and be sure that Jack (O'Connor) will be mentioning it in his team talks this week."
Had
OF been, WTF? ??? :P
James Mc Cartan has kept the faith with his Down team that overpowered Sligo in last weekend's qualifier by naming the same team for this weekend's kie against Munster Kingpins Kerry.
It promises to be an enthralling encounter with Down fans throughout the county set to make the trip to Jones' Road to see their charges back in action at Headquarters at the business end of the season.
All those who took part this weekend made a positive display of themselves and indeed those who entered the frey at various stages in the match also did very well, most noticeably Ronan Murtagh who notched up 1-5 from play having come off the bench in the second half.
Down team to face Kerry in Saturday's Quarter Final;
No. Ainm (As Gaelige) Name (In English) Club (As Gaelige)
1. Breandán Mac an Bheatha Brendan McVeigh An Ríocht
2. Dónal Mac Artáin Daniel McCartan Boireann
3. Dónall Mac Mhuirneacháin Dan Gordon Loch an Oileáin
4. Damien Ó Raifeartaigh Damian Rafferty Seamrogaí an Íuir
5. Deaglán Ó Ruanaidh Declan Rooney Boireann
6. Caoimhín Mac Thiarnáin Kevin McKernan Boireann
7. Conchúr Ó Gairbhith Conor Garvey Droichead Mhaigh Éo
8. Ambrós Mac Ruairí Ambrose Rogers Cloch Fhada
9. Colm Ó Cionga Kalum King Áth Bhriain
10. Dónal Ó hAodha Daniel Hughes Sabhaill
11. Marcas Mac Póilín Mark Poland Cloch Fhada
12. Pól Mac Cumascaigh Paul McComiskey Dún Droma
13. Breandán Ó Coltáir Brendan Coulter Droichead Mhaigh Éo
14. Seán Ó Cléirigh John Clarke An Ríocht
15. Mairtín Ó Cléirigh Martin Clarke An Ríocht
16. Deaglán Alder Declan Alder Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
17. Aodhán Ó Ceara Aidan Carr Cluain Dáimh
18. Seamás Mac Colgan James Colgan An Ríocht
19. Lúcás Ó hÍomhair Luke Howard Áth Bhriain
20. Breandán Mac Árdghail Brendan McArdle Eanach Chluáin
21. Darren Ó hÁgáin Darren O'Hagan Cluain Daimh
22. Marcas Ó Deoráin Mark Doran Cloch Fhada
23. Peadar Mac Giolla Phádraig Peter Fitzpatrick Baile Mhairtín
24. Rónán Ó Seasnáin Ronan Sexton Droichead Mhaigh Éo
25. Conchúr Mag Fhinn Conor Maginn Áth Bhriain
26. Jason Mac an Bhreithiún Jason Brown Cluain Dáimh
27. Rónán Mac Muireartaigh Ronan Murtagh Baile Cholmáin
28. Gary Mac Árdghail Gary McArdle Eanach Chluáin
29. Aodhán Ó Brannagáin Aidan Brannigan Cill Chua
30. Conchúr Mac Laibheartaigh Conor Laverty Cill Chua
1960: Down 2-10 Kerry 0-8 (All-Ireland final)
Down's first All-Ireland senior title was also the first time Sam Maguire crossed the Border.
The Mourne men's triumph was achieved in easier-than-expected circumstances with an eight-point victory over defending champions Kerry.
It was Kerry's biggest ever All-Ireland defeat in a final up to then, although Offaly went a point better (1-19 to 0-13) in the 1972 replay.
Two second-half goals by Down clinched the 1960 final, launching what was regarded as one of the best sides in football history.
Down -- E McKay; G Lavery, L Murphy, P Rice; K Mussen (capt), D McCartan, K O'Neill; J Carey, J Lennon; S O'Neill, J McCartan, P Doherty; T Hadden, P O'Hagan, B Morgan. Sub: K Denvir for Lennon.
Kerry -- J Culloty; J O'Shea, N Sheehy, T Lyons; Sean Murphy, K Coffey, M O'Dwyer; M O'Connell, J O'Connor; Seamus Murphy, T Long, P Sheehy (capt); G McMahon, John Dowling, T Lyne. Subs: Jack Dowling for John Dowling, J Brosnan for McMahon, D McAuliffe for Lyne.
1961: Down 1-12 Kerry 0-9 (All-Ireland semi-final)
"Being beaten in 1960 was a lesson for Kerry in how times were changing, but it wasn't heeded," recalled Mick O'Dwyer.
"Once again, there was a sense that everything would come right for us, just as it always seemed to. Physically, Down were much stronger and we reckoned that they must have done some weight training, which would have been unheard of in other parts of the country."
The match was level at half-time, but Kerry scored just one point in the second half, while Down kicked seven points.
Down went on to win the final, beating Offaly before an attendance of 90,556, a record for a GAA game.
1968: Down 2-12 Kerry 1-13 (All-Ireland final)
The scoreline did not reflect Down's superiority. A goal from a free late on by Brendan Lynch cut the margin to two points, but Down had been the dominant force for most of the game.
Goals by Sean O'Neill and John Murphy sent Down on their way to a 2-7 to 0-5 lead at half-time, an advantage which proved more than enough to give a Joe Lennon-captained side their third championship win of the decade over the Kingdom.
Down -- D Kelly; B Sloan, D McCartan, T O'Hare; R McConville, W Doyle, J Lennon (capt); J Milligan, C McAlarney; M Cole, P Doherty, J Murphy; P Rooney, S O'Neill, J Purdy. Subs: L Powell for Lennon, G Glynn for Powell.
Kerry -- J Culloty; Seamus Murphy, P O'Donoghue, S Burrows; Denis O'Sullivan, M Morris, Donie O'Sullivan; M O'Connell, M Fleming; B Lynch, P Griffin (capt), E O'Donoghue; T Prendergast, DJ Crowley, M O'Dwyer. Subs: P Moynihan for Prendergast, S Fitzgerald for Burrows.
1991: Down 2-9 Kerry 0-8 (All-Ireland semi-final)
Down had to wait 23 years after 1968 to return to the All-Ireland final, which they achieved with their fourth championship win over Kerry.
The Ulster champions trailed by a point at half-time, but Kerry managed just one point in the second half and were sunk by a late scoring burst, including a second goal from Peter Withnell.
It was Pat Spillane's last game for Kerry and he later reflected: "I spent the last 20 minutes of my Kerry career at full-forward. I could have sat down in an armchair because with Kerry persisting with a short passing, running game I saw virtually nothing of the ball."
Down, with current manager, James McCartan at left full-forward, went on to win the All-Ireland, beating Meath in the final.
Down -- N Collins; B McKernan, C Deegan, P Higgins; J Kelly, DJ Kane, P O'Rourke; B Breen, E Burns; R Carr, G Blaney, G Mason; M Linden, P Withnell, J McCartan. Subs: L Austin for Burns, A Rodgers for Withnell.
Kerry -- C Nelligan; S Stack, T Spillane, K Culhane; S Burke, C Murphy, M Nix; N O'Mahony, A O'Donovan; J Cronin, P Spillane, J O'Shea; P Dennehy, M Fitzgerald, T Fleming. Sub: D Lyne for Murphy.
- Martin Breheny
Irish Independent
Amazing the Indo waited until Thursday to roll out the lazy journalism.
I'd say that what with the height of history and all our unavailables through retirements and mid term breaks we're shagged. And that's pure true.
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I'd say that what with the height of history and all our unavailables through retirements and mid term breaks we're shagged. And that's pure true.
Ah now Frank, I thought that that level of cute hoorism was the exclusive domain of the Langers; yerra, you are not too bad at all at it yourselves ;)
And shure I might as well stay on for the premier event on Saturday to see the real champions while I'm at it. Hopefully the Massey Ferguson won't be clamped on Jones Road while I'm inside. Although if the throw in is put off to the usual 4.30 I might have to head west early to milk the sheep.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 29, 2010, 09:48:21 PM
Jeez, Spillane's 'mastery' of the English language is shocking:
QuoteSpillane makes light of history
Flashback to 1991 as Kerry's Pat Spillane closes in on Down's DJ Kane during the All Ireland semi final at Croke Park
29 July 2010
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"When we were on top there was no trace of Down, in the 1970s and 1980s. If there had of been they would have been destroyed."[/b]
Yet Spillane gives the Down record against Kerry high praise. "It will give them confidence and be sure that Jack (O'Connor) will be mentioning it in his team talks this week."
Had OF been, WTF? ??? :P
Since when did Tyrone people become masters of the english language and use proper grammer all the time??
Thats the man from Strabane you are talkin' til' Sir.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 29, 2010, 09:48:21 PM
Jeez, Spillane's 'mastery' of the English language is shocking:
QuoteSpillane makes light of history
Flashback to 1991 as Kerry's Pat Spillane closes in on Down's DJ Kane during the All Ireland semi final at Croke Park
29 July 2010
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"When we were on top there was no trace of Down, in the 1970s and 1980s. If there had of been they would have been destroyed."[/b]
Yet Spillane gives the Down record against Kerry high praise. "It will give them confidence and be sure that Jack (O'Connor) will be mentioning it in his team talks this week."
Had OF been, WTF? ??? :P
Since when did Tyrone people become masters of the english language and use proper grammer all the time??
gramm
er? WTF! ??? :P
Edit Not the first time I've caught you on a hook these past few days comethekingdom. What you should have come back with was that it was the Irish Times hack, and not Spillane who had committed that particular
faux pas to paper ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 29, 2010, 10:55:43 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on July 29, 2010, 10:43:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 29, 2010, 09:48:21 PM
Jeez, Spillane's 'mastery' of the English language is shocking:
QuoteSpillane makes light of history
Flashback to 1991 as Kerry's Pat Spillane closes in on Down's DJ Kane during the All Ireland semi final at Croke Park
29 July 2010
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"When we were on top there was no trace of Down, in the 1970s and 1980s. If there had of been they would have been destroyed."[/b]
Yet Spillane gives the Down record against Kerry high praise. "It will give them confidence and be sure that Jack (O'Connor) will be mentioning it in his team talks this week."
Had OF been, WTF? ??? :P
Since when did Tyrone people become masters of the english language and use proper grammer all the time??
grammer? WTF! ??? :P
Hould on there sir - we don't claim to be experts in english !!
QuoteSpillane makes light of history
Flashback to 1991 as Kerry's Pat Spillane closes in on Down's DJ Kane during the All Ireland semi final at Croke Park
29 July 2010
Pat Spillane believes Down's 100 per cent winning record against Kerry in the championship will count for little on Saturday.
The Mournemen have recorded victories over the Munster giants in each of their four previous championship meetings, the last of which came in 1991 when Peter Whitnall bagged two goals in a 2-9 to 0-8 All-Ireland semi-final win, which also happened to be Spillane's last game for the Kingdom.
Speaking to the Irish Times, Spillane mused: "The Down thing? Ah, the past is the past. That is more a creation of the media. Sure Kerry have never beaten Fermanagh (who they've never met in the championship).
"When we were on top there was no trace of Down, in the 1970s and 1980s. If there had of been they would have been destroyed."
Yet Spillane gives the Down record against Kerry high praise. "It will give them confidence and be sure that Jack (O'Connor) will be mentioning it in his team talks this week."
Spillane has vivid memories of the aforementioned 1991 All-Ireland semi-final and partly blames Mick O'Dwyer for the Kingdom's demise that day.
"It was the poorest Kerry team I played on in 17 years. It was the last remains of O'Dwyer. He held on to everyone for so long that they all left at the same time - I think I was the last to go. It left a big vacuum as young fellas had not been blooded."
"We caught Cork by surprise in the semi-final and struggled past Limerick to win Munster. And then Maurice Fitz (Gerald) had a rare off day from frees against Down, but the game was still in the balance until the last 10 minutes."
With Darragh O Se, Tadhg Kennelly, Diarmuid Murphy and Tommy Walsh no longer involved and Paul Galvin and Tomas O Se serving suspensions, Spillane believes Kerry are especially vulnerable at the moment.
"This is the day Kerry will be at their weakest. They stumbled over Limerick and badly missed Paul Galvin, getting destroyed in midfield because he was not there to gobble up all the breaks. And now Tomás is gone. Kerry to win but in a close, competitive game," he added.
Didn't Kerry beat Fermanagh in the qualifiers in 2002?
I have a vague memory of them playing each other in Portlaoise that year.
We were lucky winnners, 2-15 to 0-04 against Fermanagh in 02.
Westmeath, Donegal and Kilkenny are the 3 teams we have not ever played in championship football.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 29, 2010, 08:56:23 PM
QuoteSpillane makes light of history
Spillane has vivid memories of the aforementioned 1991 All-Ireland semi-final and partly blames Mick O'Dwyer for the Kingdom's demise that day.
"It was the poorest Kerry team I played on in 17 years. It was the last remains of O'Dwyer. He held on to everyone for so long that they all left at the same time - I think I was the last to go. It left a big vacuum as young fellas had not been blooded.
y'see, Pat agrees with me about that '91 team being the worst ever....and he gives short shrift to the whole Down hoodoo thing as wll. Although with Paul and Tomas missing as well as Dara, Tommy and Tadgh gone I fear that Ulsters most deceitful opportunists may have timed their run perfectly again.
He didnt say it was the worst Kerry Team ever just the worst he played on. Any team with the great Pat Spillane on it couldnt be worst Kerry team ever :).
Bit of a split amongst Kerry folk about this match...about 90% think its the handiest draw ever and then there a few like Mike and the boul Pat getting their excuses in early.
Id say there will be very little sleep got in Down tonight. I woke up in a cold sweat about 4 this morning with the Gooch bearing down on goal after skipping past big Dan.
All this b0llox of never loosing to Kerry will mean nothing tomorrow, its ancient History. Its a brilliant boast to have especially as no one else can say it, even after tomorrow if its at 4-1 its still a great bit of history to have, but it means nothing.Records are made to be broken.
Down people are just delighted to be back at this stage and finally we may get a bit of recognition for a great season with the only blot being our poor 50 minutes against Tyrone.
Wee james no matter what happens tomorrow has doner a great job with this team. Its only a year since we couldnt get out of Aughrim.
This young team will learn alot from tomorrow, hopefully it wont be a harsh lesson.
But we also have Kerry,Cork,Dublin,Armagh,Galway,Mayo and Monaghan in the league next year, games that will bring them on no end.
Best of luck to Wee James and the boys tomorrow and i hope there will be a big crowd in for this game as i expect it to be a cracker.
Will the dubs prove they are GAA fans tomorrow by going in for both matches. I hope they do.
Best of luck to all involved tomorrow especially the men from the Kingdom of Mourne.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 30, 2010, 09:46:50 AM
Id say there will be very little sleep got in Down tonight. I woke up in a cold sweat about 4 this morning with the Gooch bearing down on goal after skipping past big Dan.
All this b0llox of never loosing to Kerry will mean nothing tomorrow, its ancient History. Its a brilliant boast to have especially as no one else can say it, even after tomorrow if its at 4-1 its still a great bit of history to have, but it means nothing.Records are made to be broken.
The big worry is that Down and Tyrone might both have a 4-1 record against Kerry after this year!
Previous records count for very little, as no members of the present Down and Kerry squads have faced each other in championship football or indeed, as far as I can recall, at league level either. It would be more of a concern that the last three Down senior teams to play at Croke Park (v Offaly NFL D2 final 04, Wexford qualifier 08 and Armagh NFL D2 final this year), all including a range of tomorrow´s team, all lost.
The big question is whether the Down defence has strengthened sufficiently to restrict Kerry to a managable total. While this year´s NFL stats confirm a singnificant improvement at the back, there can no guarentee that we have the pace and experience to cope tomorrow.
However, we have a potentially excellent midfield and our forwards are coming into form at the right time. If we don´t concede any silly goals, anything is possible.
Theres always one :)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0730/kerry_down.html
Quote from: bcarrier on July 30, 2010, 12:33:19 PM
Theres always one :)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0730/kerry_down.html
An anonymous tipster too ;D
Any idea who wrote that?
Quote from: Caitlin on July 29, 2010, 06:11:58 PM
I think the midfield battle will have an influence.Darragh was a God - his loss will be felt. Quirke has the physique but has he the engine ? The Kerrymen will see a good battle between Quirke and King - he's firm but fair !
Ambrose is the quality man of the 4 and Scanlon will need to cover a lot of ground. I think this is where Galvin and T O Se will be missed and while Down at 3 to 1 is about right, it is tempting .
Anything other than a hammering for Down would be a result but I don't think there will be more than 3 in it either way.Bring it on !
Have a dilemma in the second game as have a lot of time for the Dubs but admire the passion of Tyrone. A draw, with Sean Cavanagh and Alan Brogan getting 3 months each would be about right.
You should take the spread then. Down +4 at even money.
The are a number of Key match ups in this game but I think Dan Gordon against Kieran Donaghy will be one of the main one, Gordon has been a very good servant to Down over the last years but his new role in full back will take time for him to bed in and I think with respect to what Offaly and Sligo could throw at him, Donaghy will present a new and huge challange.
Its not just Donaghy's height of 6'6", he has a huge leap as well and his fielding ability will cause problems, and he is good on the ground too when the ball is played in to him well, he will roam out the wing to collect too and has good pace for a big man. And he links very well with Cooper in particular when they are on form.
I'd expect Down to drop a sweeper back in front on Donaghy and try and break the ball away from him and if Gordon can get a few early balls off him it could make for an interesting tussle.
I am expecting our half forward line to run at Down given the opportunity and hopefully create some openings for Cooper and Co. but you will also see long balls being deployed to Donaghy and to Cooper who is well able to win his own ball in the air.
Am getting excited about the game now.
Quote from: bcarrier on July 30, 2010, 12:33:19 PM
Theres always one :)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0730/kerry_down.html
Those RTE predictions are usually the kiss of death.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 08:42:50 PM
QuoteRumour in Kerry is that Dara O'Se is training away
That would be Darragh....Of course he is training away as he is still playing with his club but is out at the moment with a broken bone in his arm.
Dont believe any rumours from Kerry, Bomber Liston was seen kicking a ball last week too..
And it would be Ó Sé if we're going to be enforcing a crackdown on errors in spelling names....
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 30, 2010, 01:02:52 PM
The are a number of Key match ups in this game but I think Dan Gordon against Kieran Donaghy will be one of the main one, Gordon has been a very good servant to Down over the last years but his new role in full back will take time for him to bed in and I think with respect to what Offaly and Sligo could throw at him, Donaghy will present a new and huge challange.
Its not just Donaghy's height of 6'6", he has a huge leap as well and his fielding ability will cause problems, and he is good on the ground too when the ball is played in to him well, he will roam out the wing to collect too and has good pace for a big man. And he links very well with Cooper in particular when they are on form.
I'd expect Down to drop a sweeper back in front on Donaghy and try and break the ball away from him and if Gordon can get a few early balls off him it could make for an interesting tussle.
I am expecting our half forward line to run at Down given the opportunity and hopefully create some openings for Cooper and Co. but you will also see long balls being deployed to Donaghy and to Cooper who is well able to win his own ball in the air.
Am getting excited about the game now.
You are correct there about the Gordan v. Donaghy match up. The long term strategy of selecting Dan at full back would be to counteract full forwards like Kieran Donaghy. The questions is, is he ready yet or has this game come a little too soon for him? Saturday will tell, and I too am looking forward to this dual.
QuoteThe are a number of Key match ups in this game but I think Dan Gordon against Kieran Donaghy will be one of the main one, Gordon has been a very good servant to Down over the last years but his new role in full back will take time for him to bed in and I think with respect to what Offaly and Sligo could throw at him, Donaghy will present a new and huge challange.
Its not just Donaghy's height of 6'6", he has a huge leap as well and his fielding ability will cause problems, and he is good on the ground too when the ball is played in to him well, he will roam out the wing to collect too and has good pace for a big man. And he links very well with Cooper in particular when they are on form.
I'd expect Down to drop a sweeper back in front on Donaghy and try and break the ball away from him and if Gordon can get a few early balls off him it could make for an interesting tussle.
I am expecting our half forward line to run at Down given the opportunity and hopefully create some openings for Cooper and Co. but you will also see long balls being deployed to Donaghy and to Cooper who is well able to win his own ball in the air.
Am getting excited about the game now.
Was thinking that myself Kerry Mike, Colgan isn't starting as McKernan is back in, will he play as a sweeper, I think it would be madness not to play the sweper as any high balls between Gordon and Donaghy will most likely be broke and we don't need the vulture Gooch hovering in a one on one
I personally don't see this one being too tight a contest. People always talk about Kerry being vulnerable at the quarter-final stage, but their record suggests that this opinion couldn't be further from the truth. They've played 10, won 9 and drawn 1. And they've tallied up some serious scores in those victories (27 points last year against Dublin). Monaghan came close to them three years ago, but Down are nowhere near Monaghan's level of intensity, workrate and suffocation success.
This is a poor Down defence. They failed to pressurise Tyrone off the ball in Casement Park - with the likes of Dooher and McGuigan afforded oceans of time in possession. Have they improved significantly enough since then to rectify this against the most fluent attacking force in the country? Probably not.
For Kerry, the loss of Galvin is not a problem - they are well used to having him suspended. The loss of Tomas O Se is not a problem - O'Mahony is a capable replacement, well fit for either Hughes or McComiskey. I expect the Kerry to rack up close to 20 points. At midfield, Scanlon and Quirke will more than hold their own. Not household names, but they are workers and have come out on top against better midfield's than Down's. Down need Gordon in here. It will be more important for them to win primary possession than use their best fielder at full-back. Kerry have many more options in the forwards than just Donaghy.
Down's obvious strength is in their forward line, but I can't see them having enough of the ball, or enough composure on the ball to hit the necessary scores. They'll have to try and compensate at the back also by bringing extra men back. Martin Clarke and Coulter provide a big threat but they might be fighting a losing battle. Has Clarke played as a sweeper between HB/MF in recent games? This is probably his best role against Kerry, as Down will need to make decent use of their possession, but it would take away from their scoring ability.
Kerry by 7 or 8 points.
If Dan Gordon goes fullback Declan O'Sullivan will be put Fullforward.
My take on this one is that Kerry don't have the options this year to put on a show.
You can't lose three of the best forwards in Ireland - Galvin, Kennelly and Walsh - without coming back to earth a little. Obviously the 3 that stayed behind are fine players, but there's a dozen squads in Ireland that have 3 excellent forwards but are still beaten as much as winners.
And let's be realistic here, who on the Kerry bench would you be scared to see coming on? These are last year's squad players we're talking about.
If Down don't freeze tomorrow this will go right to the wire. Without Galvin to wreak havoc, Down should be more than competitive at midfield. With a sweeper in place, down should be able to keep goals conceded down to a minimum. Kerry's defence is old and will be susceptible to quick delivieries. But we will still need to score 15 points plus, so our forwards have to be on their game.
Don't worry about O'Sullivan going to full-forward. I've a funny feeling Garvey will be following him to the end of the moon tomorrow.
Experience should see Kerry through, but this is definitely a game Down can win.
Quote from: bcarrier on July 30, 2010, 12:33:19 PM
Theres always one :)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0730/kerry_down.html
This guy at rte.ie hasn't prerdicted one win all year.
The Paul Merson of the GAA.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
My take on this one is that Kerry don't have the options this year to put on a show.
You can't lose three of the best forwards in Ireland - Galvin, Kennelly and Walsh - without coming back to earth a little. Obviously the 3 that stayed behind are fine players, but there's a dozen squads in Ireland that have 3 excellent forwards but are still beaten as much as winners.
And let's be realistic here, who on the Kerry bench would you be scared to see coming on? These are last year's squad players we're talking about.
If Down don't freeze tomorrow this will go right to the wire. Without Galvin to wreak havoc, Down should be more than competitive at midfield. With a sweeper in place, down should be able to keep goals conceded down to a minimum. Kerry's defence is old and will be susceptible to quick delivieries. But we will still need to score 15 points plus, so our forwards have to be on their game.
Don't worry about O'Sullivan going to full-forward. I've a funny feeling Garvey will be following him to the end of the moon tomorrow.
Experience should see Kerry through, but this is definitely a game Down can win.
self delusion is truly a wonderful thing. Down have 2 players Kerry would want and Down think this is a game they can win? Lets be very clear about this. This is not a game Down can win. It is only a game Kerry can lose.
You're mad in the head Indiana.
Kerry have three exceptional fowards and in Marc O Se, one outstanding defender.
The rest of them are no better or worse than 90% of county players.
Kerry had 9 top class players last summer and were an exceptional team for it. But this is a different vintage. Some people just see green and gold then go google eyed.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 08:32:01 PM
You're mad in the head Indiana.
Kerry have three exceptional fowards and in Marc O Se, one outstanding defender.
The rest of them are no better or worse than 90% of county players.
Kerry had 9 top class players last summer and were an exceptional team for it. But this is a different vintage. Some people just see green and gold then go google eyed.
Down have no good defenders , an average midfield and 3 good forwards. And you think that will beat kerry? Ther eis only one person mad in the head mate and it ain't me. This isn't 1991 or 1968. You'd want to fast forward a bit.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 08:32:01 PM
You're mad in the head Indiana.
Kerry have three exceptional fowards and in Marc O Se, one outstanding defender.
The rest of them are no better or worse than 90% of county players.
Kerry had 9 top class players last summer and were an exceptional team for it. But this is a different vintage. Some people just see green and gold then go google eyed.
Down have no good defenders , an average midfield and 3 good forwards. And you think that will beat kerry? Ther eis only one person mad in the head mate and it ain't me. This isn't 1991 or 1968. You'd want to fast forward a bit.
Who was telling ye this ? Pat Spillane or Martin McHugh ? our defence has come on alot this year , have a look at our scores against tally in the league . An average midfield ? Ambrose would get onto any team in the country and Kalum King has had a brilliant first year and will only get better . I have no worries about our forwards if they click there are as good as most . How many times have you seen Down play Indiana ? or is your opinion based on what you read in the papers . Anyway hope the lads do themselves justice tomorrow , go out and give it everything . James's first year can only go down as a success .
Quote from: downredblack on July 30, 2010, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 08:32:01 PM
You're mad in the head Indiana.
Kerry have three exceptional fowards and in Marc O Se, one outstanding defender.
The rest of them are no better or worse than 90% of county players.
Kerry had 9 top class players last summer and were an exceptional team for it. But this is a different vintage. Some people just see green and gold then go google eyed.
Down have no good defenders , an average midfield and 3 good forwards. And you think that will beat kerry? Ther eis only one person mad in the head mate and it ain't me. This isn't 1991 or 1968. You'd want to fast forward a bit.
Who was telling ye this ? Pat Spillane or Martin McHugh ? our defence has come on alot this year , have a look at our scores against tally in the league . An average midfield ? Ambrose would get onto any team in the country and Kalum King has had a brilliant first year and will only get better . I have no worries about our forwards if they click there are as good as most . How many times have you seen Down play Indiana ? or is your opinion based on what you read in the papers . Anyway hope the lads do themselves justice tomorrow , go out and give it everything . James's first year can only go down as a success .
Down are tier 2. Tomorrow they are playing a tier one side and will lose. By 7-8 points in my view. It doesn't take much for down fans to lose the run of themselves. Big wins over Sligo mean nothing at this level.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: downredblack on July 30, 2010, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 08:32:01 PM
You're mad in the head Indiana.
Kerry have three exceptional fowards and in Marc O Se, one outstanding defender.
The rest of them are no better or worse than 90% of county players.
Kerry had 9 top class players last summer and were an exceptional team for it. But this is a different vintage. Some people just see green and gold then go google eyed.
Down have no good defenders , an average midfield and 3 good forwards. And you think that will beat kerry? Ther eis only one person mad in the head mate and it ain't me. This isn't 1991 or 1968. You'd want to fast forward a bit.
Who was telling ye this ? Pat Spillane or Martin McHugh ? our defence has come on alot this year , have a look at our scores against tally in the league . An average midfield ? Ambrose would get onto any team in the country and Kalum King has had a brilliant first year and will only get better . I have no worries about our forwards if they click there are as good as most . How many times have you seen Down play Indiana ? or is your opinion based on what you read in the papers . Anyway hope the lads do themselves justice tomorrow , go out and give it everything . James's first year can only go down as a success .
Down are tier 2. Tomorrow they are playing a tier one side and will lose. By 7-8 points in my view. It doesn't take much for down fans to lose the run of themselves. Big wins over Sligo mean nothing at this level.
Your right Down are a tier 2 team but an improving one at that . I don't think anyone is running away with themselves we know Kerry in a massive ask but not one that this team will shrink from . I'm sure the lads will give it everything and that's all that the Down fans will expect from them .
I have never seen Down concede 5 goals in a championship game , I have seen them score five though .
You couldn't beat armagh in CP this year. Having seen how poor armagh are I know who my money is on tomorrow. Kerry will be more up for this game then people realise having never beaten Down before. I don't think people realise at times how good this kerry side are. The clap trap emanating from the North is that because they haven't beaten tyrone (yet) that their legacy is somehow tarnished.The fact is tyrone have lost to teams in the championship kerry wouldn't lose to if they tried
When the shit hits the fan there is no side in the country better at digging a result out.
Down have had a decent year and have a good manager in my view. But the gap between tier one and two is grand canyon esque in my opinion.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 09:37:33 PM
You couldn't beat armagh in CP this year. Having seen how poor armagh are I know who my money is on tomorrow. Kerry will be more up for this game then people realise having never beaten Down before. I don't think people realise at times how good this kerry side are. The clap trap emanating from the North is that because they haven't beaten tyrone (yet) that their legacy is somehow tarnished.The fact is tyrone have lost to teams in the championship kerry wouldn't lose to if they tried
When the shit hits the fan there is no side in the country better at digging a result out.
Down have had a decent year and have a good manager in my view. But the gap between tier one and two is grand canyon esque in my opinion.
Come on Indiana , we can all have a bad day out (Meath) one game does not define a team . We also beat Armagh this year so it is 1-1 on that front . To tell you the truth I could care less what Tyrone do, so I don't see what relevance your comments about Tyrone have to this thread .
The gap between tier 1 and 2 remains to be seen , I just cant understand how you know for certain that the gap is as big as you think .
Of course, Kerry have to be strong favourites for to-morrow and they should win, but Down have some fine players. IMO their midfield is a good deal better than you rate them, Indiana. Ambrose Rodgers and Kalum King are a solid pairing and I would expect them to win the midfield battle. Danny Hughes, Benny Coulter and Marty Clarke are top class forwards and will trouble the Kerry defence. Kerry's big 3 forwards, Cooper, Donaghy and Declan O'Sullivan are outstanding players and will probably be the match winners for Kerry. However if Dan Gordon is a success at full back and his fellow defenders rise to their task it could be very interesting indeed. Looking forward to a good game anyway.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 08:32:01 PM
You're mad in the head Indiana.
Kerry have three exceptional fowards and in Marc O Se, one outstanding defender.
The rest of them are no better or worse than 90% of county players.
Kerry had 9 top class players last summer and were an exceptional team for it. But this is a different vintage. Some people just see green and gold then go google eyed.
Down have no good defenders , an average midfield and 3 good forwards. And you think that will beat kerry? Ther eis only one person mad in the head mate and it ain't me. This isn't 1991 or 1968. You'd want to fast forward a bit.
You obviously havent seen Damien Rafferty playing football.
The nordies are losing the run of themselves again ::)
(Down) lads, if you want to check out INDIANA's forecasting credentials, look no further than the Dublin vs Tyrone '08 thread :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 10:14:15 PM
(Down) lads, if you want to check out INDIANA's forecasting credentials, look no further than the Dublin vs Tyrone '08 thread :D
If i were you then I'd be very afraid considering my prediction for tomorrow :D
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 10:14:15 PM
(Down) lads, if you want to check out INDIANA's forecasting credentials, look no further than the Dublin vs Tyrone '08 thread :D
If i were you then I'd be very afraid considering my prediction for tomorrow :D
;)
But I am, and all of my myriad hats will be for the tipping Sir this time tomorrow evening should your erring predictions once again come to fruition ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 10:17:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 10:14:15 PM
(Down) lads, if you want to check out INDIANA's forecasting credentials, look no further than the Dublin vs Tyrone '08 thread :D
If i were you then I'd be very afraid considering my prediction for tomorrow :D
;)
But I am, and all of my myriad hats will be for the tipping Sir this time tomorrow evening should your erring predictions once again come to fruition ;)
I won't be seen till Tuesday morning if my predictions go arseways tomorrow. I'll be on a session :D
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
I won't be seen till Tuesday morning if my predictions go arseways tomorrow. I'll be on a session :D
If that's how it works out, let me know where you are and I'll join you. Nothing else for it.
Indiana, so what you're saying is a 'tier one' team can lose 40% of it's starting line up and still be streets ahead of a division one side? This is a decent Kerry side with bags of experience and a few match winners, but no more than that.
thewobbler do you honestly think that Down will be within an asses roar of Kerry tomorrow? I am all for supporting the underdog, but I am expecting a very one sided game tomorrow. I am hoping the second game tomorrow will be a bit closer.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 08:32:01 PM
You're mad in the head Indiana.
Kerry have three exceptional fowards and in Marc O Se, one outstanding defender.
The rest of them are no better or worse than 90% of county players.
Kerry had 9 top class players last summer and were an exceptional team for it. But this is a different vintage. Some people just see green and gold then go google eyed.
The likes of Tom O'Sullivan, Mike McCarthy and Killian Young are great defenders who would walk on to nearly every county team. They have All-Ireland medals and All-Stars falling out of their arse pockets.
They will be missing the best footballer in the country tomorrow (Tomás Ó Sé IMO) but O'Mahoney is a fairly handy replacement - man of the match in two All-Ireland finals. Even with the likes of Darragh Ó Sé, Tommy Walsh, Diarmuid Murphy and Tadhg Kennelly gone from last year they still have an exceptional team with the knowledge of how to win big games in Croke Park.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 10:31:35 PM
Indiana, so what you're saying is a 'tier one' team can lose 40% of it's starting line up and still be streets ahead of a division one side? This is a decent Kerry side with bags of experience and a few match winners, but no more than that.
You can be a div 1 side and still be tier 2. we've had years of practice.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 30, 2010, 10:37:14 PM
thewobbler do you honestly think that Down will be within an asses roar of Kerry tomorrow? I am all for supporting the underdog, but I am expecting a very one sided game tomorrow. I am hoping the second game tomorrow will be a bit closer.
I was supporting Louth against Meath , anything can happen on the day .
Quote from: downredblack on July 30, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 30, 2010, 10:37:14 PM
thewobbler do you honestly think that Down will be within an asses roar of Kerry tomorrow? I am all for supporting the underdog, but I am expecting a very one sided game tomorrow. I am hoping the second game tomorrow will be a bit closer.
I was supporting Louth against Meath , anything can happen on the day .
2 tier 2 teams. point proven.
Indeed it can. I am not knocking Down, they have improved a lot under McCartan, but this is the worst possible draw for Down. Kerry are the best team in the country and should have way too much for Down tomorrow.
Well I'll put it like this. Down gave Tyrone a footballing lesson like they've never got for 20 mins.
Tyrone turned the game on it's head by outthinking and outmuscling Down.
Kerry might be cute hoors, but without Galvin and O Se they don't have their heartbeat, their necessary cynical undercurrent. So if Down hit the ground running, who is going to drag Kerry back into it, kicking and screaming, until midfield is won? Seamus Scanlon? Aidan O Mahoney? Darran O Sullivan? Michael Quirke? Seriously, these are not players to worry about - but if they don't perform, Donaghy will need to hit the middle. Which would be great.
Don't get me wrong. Down could freeze and it could be a non-entity of a game. Star and Gooch could turn 6 possessions into game over by halftime. But neither of these things happen that often,
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: downredblack on July 30, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 30, 2010, 10:37:14 PM
thewobbler do you honestly think that Down will be within an asses roar of Kerry tomorrow? I am all for supporting the underdog, but I am expecting a very one sided game tomorrow. I am hoping the second game tomorrow will be a bit closer.
I was supporting Louth against Meath , anything can happen on the day .
2 tier 2 teams. point proven.
Nothing proven bar the fact the underdog can have it's day .
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 10:47:51 PM
Well I'll put it like this. Down gave Tyrone a footballing lesson like they've never got for 20 mins.
Tyrone turned the game on it's head by outthinking and outmuscling Down.
Kerry might be cute hoors, but without Galvin and O Se they don't have their heartbeat, their necessary cynical undercurrent. So if Down hit the ground running, who is going to drag Kerry back into it, kicking and screaming, until midfield is won? Seamus Scanlon? Aidan O Mahoney? Darran O Sullivan? Michael Quirke? Seriously, these are not players to worry about - but if they don't perform, Donaghy will need to hit the middle. Which would be great.
Don't get me wrong. Down could freeze and it could be a non-entity of a game. Star and Gooch could turn 6 possessions into game over by halftime. But neither of these things happen that often,
nobody will have to drag kerry into anything. As I said Kerry are more up for this then you can imagine. This is the one thing they can do that no other Kerry team can.
I fancy Down.
Good luck Boys.
You base this on what Indiana?
Don't bring the last 5 years into this, when Kerry had 8 or 9 of the best players in the country playing for them.
They don't have that tomorrow.
And you know what, the only times during those 5 years Kerry met a team with a similar number of exceptional players - Tyrone - what happened? When the big guns cancelled each other out, kerry's peripherary players weren't good enough.
Tomorrow down only have 4 key players to stop before we find out how good the rest of them are. 4 ain't that many. It's not enough to win an all Ireland anyhow.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
You base this on what Indiana?
Don't bring the last 5 years into this, when Kerry had 8 or 9 of the best players in the country playing for them.
They don't have that tomorrow.
And you know what, the only times during those 5 years Kerry met a team with a similar number of exceptional players - Tyrone - what happened? When the big guns cancelled each other out, kerry's peripherary players weren't good enough.
Tomorrow down only have 4 key players to stop before we find out how good the rest of them are. 4 ain't that many. It's not enough to win an all Ireland anyhow.
In Tyrone they met one of the best teams of the last 25 years. the Down team tomorrow wouldn't hold a candle to Tyrone. Completely different kettle of fish. This Down team have no tradition of winning in CP or winning anywhere else for that matter. Down are in year one of year five.
Kerry are the same as they always are.
the Aristocrats.
I'm probably see this through red and black tinted glasses but tomorrow were have nothing to lose (apart from our very special, long standing and exclusive record from way way back, but that counts for shite all).
I will only be grateful to see a Down team on Croker turf v a great Ky team at the mouth of August.
A Down win would be an unexpected bonus and dreamland really. In truth we are shakin in our boots about emabssassing ourselves.
Hope its a good open and skillful game that might signal the re-entry of proper football and the begining of the end of vistories won by dour, ungifted but superfit men who have been trained how to gather in big bunches in order to smother an opponants.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 11:08:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
You base this on what Indiana?
Don't bring the last 5 years into this, when Kerry had 8 or 9 of the best players in the country playing for them.
They don't have that tomorrow.
And you know what, the only times during those 5 years Kerry met a team with a similar number of exceptional players - Tyrone - what happened? When the big guns cancelled each other out, kerry's peripherary players weren't good enough.
Tomorrow down only have 4 key players to stop before we find out how good the rest of them are. 4 ain't that many. It's not enough to win an all Ireland anyhow.
In Tyrone they met one of the best teams of the last 25 years. the Down team tomorrow wouldn't hold a candle to Tyrone. Completely different kettle of fish. This Down team have no tradition of winning in CP or winning anywhere else for that matter. Down are in year one of year five.
Kerry are the same as they always are.
the Aristocrats.
Its not that long since Down beat that self same team in Newry...the AI champions..eventually...football's a wonderful game Indiana...thats why we travel in our droves to watch it...anything can happen...
Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 10:47:51 PM
Well I'll put it like this. Down gave Tyrone a footballing lesson like they've never got for 20 mins.
I thought games lasted for 70 minutes, who won that day?
Sludden, do you not understand context, or did you just not read past that line? If you're going to nitpick, do or right.
Indiana, you are showing yourself up to be a hypocrite here. Down can't win because of history, but Kerry can win because they're 'aristocrats'?
Down might be on year one of five, but this is a kerry team on the way down. Tomorrow we will find out just how far.
You seem to have the problem with context. Down may have outplayed Tyrone for the first 15/20 minutes, but Tyrone bate them off the field in the remaining 50 minutes. Down scored 2 points in the final 50 minutes, how is that for context? The final score flattered Down.
So you're basically saying you didn't read what I wrote?
Seriously, you're like one of those movie promos that features words like "brilliant piece of cinema", when the reviewer actually said "I wouldn't call it a brilliant piece if cinema".
But you just keep hammering on if it makes you happy.
One of our boys was in the line for tickets in the County Office today and when he got sorted out he was walking out and happened to notice Paddy Doherty at the tail end of the queue waiting his turn....I have a serious problem with this....in the name of jesus would a man like that not be entitled to two free tickets to EVERY Down game...would Micko, McGeeny, Paidi Se or boys like that have to stand like a p***k to buy tickets....I'd seriously doubt it.....sort it out Down County Board...f**king disgrace.
And you are bigging up Downs chances based on a half decent dispaly in the opening quarter of the Tyrone game. Down were dire for the remaining three quarters of the game, if they play like that tomorrow it will be all over again after the first 15 minutes.
I do wonder if you can even read.
I was asking who Kerry would turn to for leadership if Down start the same way on Saturday. That's all.
If all you want to talk about is your precious Tyrone please do so on another thread.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2010, 12:19:15 AM
I do wonder if you can even read.
I was asking who Kerry would turn to for leadership if Down start the same way on Saturday. That's all.
If all you want to talk about is your precious Tyrone please do so on another thread.
My precious Tyrone? I am a Louth man, who happens to hate Tyrone and their brand of horrible football. I found this forum after the Leinster final when I googled a certain Mr Sludden. If you bothered to look at my sig pic you may have noticed the "I Love Louth" and you wonder if I can read.
Maybe I am wrong about this Down side. I havent seen them since the Tyrone game, they have came into the quarter finals under the radar. They have avoided live TV games in the qualifiers and are something of an unknown, but they certainly had no leaders against Tyrone that day. Come back tomorrow and tell me where these great leaders are on the Down team, you will certainly need them. ;)
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2010, 12:19:15 AM
I do wonder if you can even read.
I was asking who Kerry would turn to for leadership if Down start the same way on Saturday. That's all.
If all you want to talk about is your precious Tyrone please do so on another thread.
Marc Ó Sé
Aidan O'Mahony
Mike McCarthy
Declan O' Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Kieran Donaghy
Bryan Sheehan
lads , kerry are different class to down, they will win handy by 7/8 points, cant belive down are been tipped to win this game ??? wont happen !!!
Quote from: hardstation on July 31, 2010, 12:44:55 AM
Quote from: deaconblue on July 31, 2010, 12:42:39 AM
lads , kerry are different class to down, they will win handy by 7/8 points, cant belive down are been tipped to win this game ??? wont happen !!!
Who is tipping Down? Jesus Christ, Donegal should have bate them and they are shite.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0730/kerry_down.html
I fully expect Kerry to win this one by 4 to 5 points but Down do a chance, albeit only a slight chance, if things go well for them and Kerry mis-fire badly. In any event, there's 24 counties who'd love to be in Down's position tomorrow so good luck to them I suppose.
Good luck to Down tomorrow!
Jersey on, hang sangwiches made, bottle of tae in the arse pocket, on the road to Croker, looking forward to a good day, feel we may hit the ground running like we did last year against Dublin the vibes from the Kingdom are positive.
this great Kerry team of ours are not finished yet but still have to prove alot of people wrong, we should win the day with a few to spare hopefully, but my throughts mean feck all (thanks Indiana & Wobbler for the entertainment)
Do it for Paul and Tomás......
Ciarrai abu.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 31, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
Jersey on, hang sangwiches made, bottle of tae in the arse pocket, on the road to Croker, looking forward to a good day, feel we may hit the ground running like we did last year against Dublin the vibes from the Kingdom are positive.
this great Kerry team of ours are not finished yet but still have to prove alot of people wrong, we should win the day with a few to spare hopefully, but my throughts mean feck all (thanks Indiana & Wobbler for the entertainment)
Do it for Paul and Tomás......
Ciarrai abu.
I like loyalty, but why? They let their teammates down through stupidity.
Goal for Down!
how many steps was that though?
Kerry are here for the taking today.
Down so much sharper. The curse of the 4-week layoff?
That was no free FFS.
The last two frees for Kerry were very soft >:(
On the other hand*, that one ...
(* Sorry)
Oh my God Martin Carney would drive you to drink.
perfectly good goal
Finally a decision goes against Kerry and as always Chucky's eulogising of Kerry is starting to grate..
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 02:23:44 PM
Oh my God Martin Carney would drive you to drink.
Very much so!
Clark beginning to look something special.
That was a waste.
just logged on there to say Marty Clarke was having a stinker. Scored two points while computer was loading. Down putting in a big effort but still think kerry will lick on in 2nd half
Has Declan O'Sullivan touched the ball yet?
Beautiful!
Kerry are in trouble, very ragged and off the pace, Down just need to keep ticking away and they will win this..
Quote from: armagho9 on July 31, 2010, 02:32:09 PM
Down putting in a big effort but still think kerry will lick on in 2nd half
7 points up and dont look to be letting up. Think Down might win this.
Why did Rodgers not try and kick that 45?
Daft decision.
When they went out of it for a spell there I thought Down had shot their bolt early like in Casement last month, but they're doing rightly. What's that on the back of their collars? Roman numerals?
Have some balls commentators-call a dangerous tackle for what it is-hard knock my hole.
Quote from: hardstation on July 31, 2010, 12:44:55 AM
Quote from: deaconblue on July 31, 2010, 12:42:39 AM
lads , kerry are different class to down, they will win handy by 7/8 points, cant belive down are been tipped to win this game ??? wont happen !!!
Who is tipping Down? Jesus Christ, Donegal should have bate them and they are shite.
yes sir?
Beginning to feel good about the first leg of my 30/1 treble. Down, Dublin and the Leinster Champions.
Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
Have some balls commentators-call a dangerous tackle for what it is-hard knock my hole.
Add Gooch's cheap shot on Clarke to that as well. Dirt is dirt whoever does it
fair play to Down, keep it up
Ah ffs Paddy. Why should Cooper have pulled out of that?
Betfair now:
Down 1.96
Kerry 2.52
Eh, it wasn't a disallowed goal?
It was a free out.
All the Down defenders stopped.
That's outrageous criticism of the referee in the studio. Completely OTT over one debatable decision, that wasn't nearly as clear-cut as they're calling it with the benefit of 10 slow-motion replays.
In all fairness, it was a legal handpass but the keeper pulled out, hearing the whistle so not necessarily a goal
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 02:44:27 PM
Ah ffs Paddy. Why should Cooper have pulled out of that?
Went to do him from behind cheap shot. Clarke too strong is why he wasn't flattened. sneaky dirty shot. Rte have to stop putting biased analysts on Spillane is beyond a joke at this stage. The hand holding the ball moved with the strike free out.
f**k UP PAT!
I thought the ref got it right.
It was one of those sideways 'pushed' hand-passes as far as I'm concerned.
I think Down are going to embarass Kerry
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on July 31, 2010, 02:49:15 PM
I think Down are going to embarass Kerry
Don't jinx it FFS!
It's ridiculous the way the pundits are talking about the Kerry 'goal' when two defenders and the keeper stopped playing.
ffs its kerry lads, there not a team to lay down
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 02:48:55 PM
I thought the ref got it right.
It was one of those sideways 'pushed' hand-passes as far as I'm concerned.
I thought so too - no "backlift".
ahh did you hea that, he likes to call the thing as he see's it,
listen lads, unless it;s a blantant FECKIN throw, let it go,
awwh googd stuff. does anybody else think dan mc cartan isn't doing too bad today and im a not a fan
Quote from: passedit on July 31, 2010, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 02:44:27 PM
Ah ffs Paddy. Why should Cooper have pulled out of that?
Went to do him from behind cheap shot. Clarke too strong is why he wasn't flattened. sneaky dirty shot.
With respect, Paddy that has to be a red-tinted view. From behind?? A perfect shoulder-to-shoulder hit in my view. If that's sneaky or dirty, I don't know what the game will become.
nawh i think that was a bad tackle too, hitting a man a full shoulder when he's going to lift a ball, knew what he was at, i think the same as o sullivan on rodgers
Bid decision taking Star out of the forwards, they need to win midfield, but sure its so greasy out there he could easily spill ball he wins. Kerry's options up front are alot more obsious now. Down might be able to double tag Gooch now.
Quote from: hardstation on July 31, 2010, 02:52:30 PM
What are the odds on Down for the All Ireland?
9 on Betfair now for small money. 7.4 after the first €10.
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: passedit on July 31, 2010, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 02:44:27 PM
Ah ffs Paddy. Why should Cooper have pulled out of that?
Went to do him from behind cheap shot. Clarke too strong is why he wasn't flattened. sneaky dirty shot.
It was fair shoulder imho too
With respect, Paddy that has to be a red-tinted view. From behind?? A perfect shoulder-to-shoulder hit in my view. If that's sneaky or dirty, I don't know what the game will become.
Quote from: bloodybreakball on July 31, 2010, 02:57:12 PM
nawh i think that was a bad tackle too, hitting a man a full shoulder when he's going to lift a ball, knew what he was at, i think the same as o sullivan on rodgers
No self-respecting footballer would pull out of that shoulder-to-shoulder. You're not required to warn your opponent in advance. You hit him as hard you can within the rules.
Ref should've played advantage there for Down
I begining to think Roscommon might do it tomorrow, the Cork lads must be wetting themselves and might be left in a big mess tomorrow.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2010, 02:59:20 PM
I begining to think Roscommon might do it tomorrow, the Cork lads must be wetting themselves and might be left in a big mess tomorrow.
Cork will absolutely murder Roscommon.
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: bloodybreakball on July 31, 2010, 02:57:12 PM
nawh i think that was a bad tackle too, hitting a man a full shoulder when he's going to lift a ball, knew what he was at, i think the same as o sullivan on rodgers
No self-respecting footballer would pull out of that shoulder-to-shoulder. You're not required to warn your opponent in advance. You hit him as hard you can within the rules.
Shoulder to shoulder is fine, from behind is dirty sneaky. Kerry jersey enough for the ref i see
I think the 100 or so Kerry fans that went to Croke Park today will be feeling sick.
Quote from: passedit on July 31, 2010, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: bloodybreakball on July 31, 2010, 02:57:12 PM
nawh i think that was a bad tackle too, hitting a man a full shoulder when he's going to lift a ball, knew what he was at, i think the same as o sullivan on rodgers
No self-respecting footballer would pull out of that shoulder-to-shoulder. You're not required to warn your opponent in advance. You hit him as hard you can within the rules.
Shoulder to shoulder is fine, from behind is dirty sneaky. Kerry jersey enough for the ref i see
Wasn't from behind, though. You'll never see a clearer shoulder-to-shoulder
From behind, which is where down are getting it from the ref
Can't help thinking that Down would need another goal.
Shoulder to shoulder from behind? No comprende.
(Sorry for calling you Paddy, btw - confusion with paddypastit, who's in Croke Park, of course).
At least the ref has made one right decision.
a clear shoulder to shoulder? whenever one man was bending down for the ball, how could it have been a fair shoulder when one man is bent over. you stand off the man try and tackle him when he gets yp ffs. sure all the referees shit themselves when they see the green and yellow jersey, especially your crowds ::) ;D
Bad news for Down. The 14-man syndrome on the cards now.
Ah f**k. Carney agrees with me!
The ref will start giving Cooper frees before he even has the ball now.
Donnacha Walsh gone for a second yellow.
Hope the ref who doesn't think he needs to balance this up, he's already given most of the minor decisions to Kerry
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 03:00:02 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2010, 02:59:20 PM
I begining to think Roscommon might do it tomorrow, the Cork lads must be wetting themselves and might be left in a big mess tomorrow.
Cork will absolutely murder Roscommon.
Your more than likely right Hardy
Looks like Down have an extra man plan.
It wasnt shoulder to shoulder, it was sneaky shoulder aimed for the back of the head. This ref is gonna win it for kerry a procession of soft frees which will only get worse now
If Down don't win this the ref might need a Sludden escape.
Jesus - momentous 60 seconds!
Great game
Quote from: passedit on July 31, 2010, 03:10:12 PM
It wasnt shoulder to shoulder, it was sneaky shoulder aimed for the back of the head. This ref is gonna win it for kerry a procession of soft frees which will only get worse now
Sorry, but that's complete shite. Watch it again. Point of the shoulder, precisely.
Cooper is such a moocher! WTF
That was a legit goal, it was no throw. Carney you cannot say that was defo a throw >:( Two wrong decisions have made a right! O ya except all the bloody frees for Kerry.
dirty sneaky.
Ref is a disgrace
Cynical animals!
is this the tackle where clarke claimed the ball near his own goal
Is there any links to it - sounds like some game!
I give up Paddy. You're obviously wearing your magic glasses. Pity you have to waste your energy picking out imaginary negatives in an absorbing contest and calling a good player names for nothing. Back to the football. Down making a lot of errors and poor decisions. Do they have the ability to keep the heads?
Very important point there.
dont think it will matter cos kerry seem clueless
Down need to settle down here.
No wild shooting.
Dirty sneaky was for Donaghy this time or is that ok with you?
Was just going to say that Down are showing inexperience in pumping ball in for 50-50 catches when they took a nice settling point.
Lovely point from a tight angle for Benny.
Kerry need something.
that is match winning point from Coulter some score
Quote from: passedit on July 31, 2010, 03:20:40 PM
Dirty sneaky was for Donaghy this time or is that ok with you?
Sorry - I'm too busy enjoying a good match.
It's about hunger, composure and will-power!
The small teams won't get the big decisions. That could have won the game for Down.
Benny point game over.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 31, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
The small teams won't get the big decisions. That could have won the game for Down.
What a load of bulldung.
Great show by Down. Amazing what they can do, decade after decade when they escape out of Ulster.
Jaysus, these f**kers are actually going to do this.
Either Down, Meath or Kildare will be in the final. Incredible.
Has to be Down's now, fair fucks to them.
Marty Morrissey is ruining this Down victory. Why does he not shut up
I dunno if Benny hand-pass was a foul what about Gooch's there?
Another great save though.
Fair play to Down.
Patient, cute, playing with their head up.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 03:26:03 PM
Either Down, Meath or Kildare will be in the final. Incredible.
I'd have taken that six months ago.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 03:26:03 PM
Either Down, Meath or Kildare will be in the final. Incredible.
Why do you think the lads on here are doing handstands that Kerry are out? ;D
They've been dismal today in fairness.
Congrats to Down, great performance. Enjoyable game to watch, special mention to the keeper, that last save was top drawer.
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 31, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
The small teams won't get the big decisions. That could have won the game for Down.
What a load of bulldung.
Great show by Down. Amazing what they can do, decade after decade when they escape out of Ulster.
The difference is that Down don't traditionally fear Kerry.
Kerry's reputation and tradition is usually worth 4 or 5 points against the majority of teams.
Some of Kerry's All Irelands owe a bit to teams bowing down instead of taking them on.
It's mad but you can't beat tradition! ;D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 31, 2010, 03:28:01 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 03:26:03 PM
Either Down, Meath or Kildare will be in the final. Incredible.
Why do you think the lads on here are doing handstands that Kerry are out? ;D
They've been dismal today in fairness.
Kerry out in July! Who'd have thunk it?
Cork/Tyrone favourites now but not a good year for favourites. Are ye listening Rossies?
Fair play to Down...well done, hard luck to Kerry.
dont think that the referee could have seen benny coulters handpass, so how could he have give it as a foul
Well Done Down! Kerry handed four ponts on a plate by ref. Forget about Galvin-Tomas O'Shea is a man mountain in these games he has consistently pushed Kerry on. Some great points by Down.
Beginning to remind me of Meath-Kerry 2001.
Penalty me arse!
Kerry missing leaders on the pitch today....Toma O'Se and Paul Galvin big loss.
A penalty! Where exactly?
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 31, 2010, 03:29:31 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 31, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
The small teams won't get the big decisions. That could have won the game for Down.
What a load of bulldung.
Great show by Down. Amazing what they can do, decade after decade when they escape out of Ulster.
The difference is that Down don't traditionally fear Kerry.
Kerry's reputation and tradition is usually worth 4 or 5 points against the majority of teams.
Some of Kerry's All Irelands owe a bit to teams bowing down instead of taking them on.
Not sure tradition has much to do with it to be honest. Kerry have just been very poor today even allowing for the players they are missing.
The Down lads look like they're after winning a league game! :D
Sorry kerry fan's but a great result for football, well done down, sligo fan's will feel a little better tonight
It was never going to be Kerrys day. The sending off finished them off.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 31, 2010, 03:33:49 PM
Not sure tradition has much to do with it to be honest. Kerry have just been very poor today even allowing for the players they are missing.
Out of respect and fear, most teams would have spent the second half sitting back bracing themselves for a Kerry comeback and thus facilitated it.
That was unexpected. Well done Down.
Any spare tissues for Pat :D
What was the story with the sympathy penalty? What date is the semi final then?
The end of an era for a great Kerry team?
Same for Tyrone in 2 hours' time?
Great stuff from Down. Mc Kiernan was brilliant as was Marty Clarke.
Fair play to Down.
The ref giving Kerry a penalty at the end out of sympathy was the final insult for them. Great Kerry team, but their record against the better Ulster teams down the years has been terrible.
I dont care how many replies have been posted, just fcukin send it!
Delighted for Down
There are some posters in this thread whose faces will surely be red now :D
I really hate Marty Morrisey constantly talking about Dara O'Se having retired. He might as well have been talking about Paudi's retirement for all it matters. When you are gone you are gone.
Dara wouldn't have made any difference and neither would Tomas. Galvin might have improved things significantly but under pressure he can win you the game or get sent off so no guarantee there either.
Some performance by Down though.
Spillane trying not to have sour grapes sounds exactly like sour grapes.
Quote from: hardstation on July 31, 2010, 03:39:24 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
Same for Tyrone in 2 hours' time?
Can't see it. Tyrone are a good team, Kerry aren't.
I'm relying on stats and norms. Tyrone have been at the top for longer than any team I can remember. The lifespan of a top team is usually 6-7 seasons at most. I think they may be vulnerable to an ambush from a Dublin team with nothing to lose. If Dubs get an early goal ...
ah well, when you lose 2 all ireland winners to aussie rules , the greatest midfielder in history to retirement and the best current player in the game to a media witch hunt you're always going to be up against it. The fact that Kerry will surely now give serious consideration to going the back door again next year just about sums up the way game is currently run. The bitters will take delight in the kingdom's demise, the true followers of the game will acknowledge the end of a great side that had circumstances been different, would have been fairly allowed to continue their dominance.
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2010, 03:35:32 PM
Sorry kerry fan's but a great result for football, well done down, sligo fan's will feel a little better tonight
Exactly why I was going for down in the second half, good for football, keeps things fresh.
I wouldn't get carried away if I was Down. That Kerry team was missing Tomas and Dara O Se, Kenelly, Galvin and Walsh from last years winning team. Today they lost their big man Quirke in midfield to injury and Walsh got sent off. So they were quite a long way short of the team that won last year.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 03:40:06 PM
Fair play to Down.
The ref giving Kerry a penalty at the end out of sympathy was the final insult for them. Great Kerry team, but their record against the better Ulster teams down the years has been terrible.
I dont care how many replies have been posted, just fcukin send it!
Lets not try and turn this into an Ulster triumphalism thing.
Kerry were missing 6 All-Stars from last years team.
Quote from: Kerry1980 on July 31, 2010, 03:42:19 PM
ah well, when you lose 2 all ireland winners to aussie rules , the greatest midfielder in history to retirement and the best current player in the game to a media witch hunt you're always going to be up against it. The fact that Kerry will surely now give serious consideration to going the back door again next year just about sums up the way game is currently run. The bitters will take delight in the kingdom's demise, the true followers of the game will acknowledge the end of a great side that had circumstances been different, would have been fairly allowed to continue their dominance.
Not a bitter word from yourself though. ;D
Lads if anti Down Hardstation is backing them then get on it ;)
Doors open for Cork now with their bogey team gone if they find their form from earlier in the year.
Quote from: Kerry1980 on July 31, 2010, 03:42:19 PM
ah well, when you lose 2 all ireland winners to aussie rules , the greatest midfielder in history to retirement and the best current player in the game to a media witch hunt you're always going to be up against it. The fact that Kerry will surely now give serious consideration to going the back door again next year just about sums up the way game is currently run. The bitters will take delight in the kingdom's demise, the true followers of the game will acknowledge the end of a great side that had circumstances been different, would have been fairly allowed to continue their dominance.
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Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 03:40:50 PM
I really hate Marty Morrisey constantly talking about Dara O'Se having retired. He might as well have been talking about Paudi's retirement for all it matters. When you are gone you are gone.
Dara wouldn't have made any difference and neither would Tomas. Galvin might have improved things significantly but under pressure he can win you the game or get sent off so no guarantee there either.
Some performance by Down though.
Spillane trying not to have sour grapes sounds exactly like sour grapes.
Absolute nonsense.
Two of the greatest players in the history of the game.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
Doors open for Cork now with their bogey team gone if they find their form from earlier in the year.
If Cork don't win now having hammered Tyrone last year, I think it could do permanent damage to them. But every team in it will feel their chances are at least a little better.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 03:40:50 PM
I really hate Marty Morrisey constantly talking about Dara O'Se having retired. He might as well have been talking about Paudi's retirement for all it matters. When you are gone you are gone.
Dara wouldn't have made any difference and neither would Tomas. Galvin might have improved things significantly but under pressure he can win you the game or get sent off so no guarantee there either.
Some performance by Down though.
Spillane trying not to have sour grapes sounds exactly like sour grapes.
Absolute nonsense.
Two of the greatest players in the history of the game.
So were Paudi and Jacko but do you think they would make a difference?
The only Down (to use the pun) side to the game was listening to the two Marty's (Morrisey and Carney). God they are a dose!
Great result for Down. There's nothing to stop them pushing on now, but they're already in bonus territory. How much of this is down to McCartan?
That Kerry team though are a shadow of their former selves - the quality of their bench today was no better than any other county. At the same time, before the match they were still ranked as one of the favourites for the AI.
Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 03:40:50 PM
I really hate Marty Morrisey constantly talking about Dara O'Se having retired. He might as well have been talking about Paudi's retirement for all it matters. When you are gone you are gone.
Dara wouldn't have made any difference and neither would Tomas. Galvin might have improved things significantly but under pressure he can win you the game or get sent off so no guarantee there either.
Some performance by Down though.
Spillane trying not to have sour grapes sounds exactly like sour grapes.
Absolute nonsense.
Two of the greatest players in the history of the game.
So were Paudi and Jacko but do you think they would make a difference?
Is Paudi STILL suspended?
Great performance by Down. Not the shock Marty Morrissey would have you believe. Down has serious talent with young players who have U21 and Minor All-Ireland medals. Division 1 team now and should be major force for awhile. They are also the form team right now and I'd expect them to win their semi. Hard luck to Kerry. This has been a great Kerry team but time has caught up with them and sad to see some players who are now a shadow of their former selves. Would also say that provincial councils need to time their finals closer to the quarter final stage. Kerry were waiting too long, and always looked off the pitch of the game.
What a result for Down. A fantastic result. Kerry have lost players, but each team has their course and life span and kerry were just really outplayed. What a difference that Martin Clarke has made. Just a brilliant result for Derry and football in general.
Now for Tyrone to beat Dublin and Cork to win the AI final. Surely now it's ours to win. But forget about that, it's Down's day. And what a day for them. I suppose the All Ireland's anyone's to win now. Everyone will fancy it now.
Quote from: Kerry1980 on July 31, 2010, 03:42:19 PM
ah well, when you lose 2 all ireland winners to aussie rules , the greatest midfielder in history to retirement and the best current player in the game to a media witch hunt you're always going to be up against it. The fact that Kerry will surely now give serious consideration to going the back door again next year just about sums up the way game is currently run. The bitters will take delight in the kingdom's demise, the true followers of the game will acknowledge the end of a great side that had circumstances been different, would have been fairly allowed to continue their dominance.
It's a bad state of affairs when someone can be said to be less gracious than Pat Spillane.
All-Ireland SFC quarter-final: Down thump Kerry
31 July 2010
Down rolled back the years at Croke Park this afternoon to beat Kerry by 1-16 to 1-10.
As the lethargic All-Ireland champions were sent packing, the mighty Mourne men maintained their incredible winning run against the Kingdom to win with something to spare, marching through to an All-Ireland semi-final meeting with either Kildare or Meath.
The winners played some majestic stuff in this game, defying the critics with an exhibition of pure football. Kerry finished with 14 men due to the indiscipline of Donnacha Walsh and Down's numerical superiority made it easier for them to cope with the Munster champions' Route One approach.
Martin Clarke, Benny Coulter, Paul McComiskey and Mark Poland were amongst the outstanding Down performers.
Down started and finished the first half magnificently to lead by 1-7 to 0-4 at half time. Kerry controlled proceedings between the tenth and 27th minutes, scoring all four of their first-half points during that period. But Down opened the half with a salvo of 1-3 and finished as strongly with four consecutive scores.
Martin Clarke was the dominant force in the opening period, demonstrating tremendous workrate and some class touches. Kerry felt hard done by when they thought they had found the net to go ahead, but play was called back for a debateable illegal handpass.
Personnel-wise, both teams started as selected and a steady drizzle of rain throughout the early afternoon ensured that the sod was slippery at Croke Park. The Mourne men won the toss and also won the opening battles emphatically as Mark Poland planted the ball brilliantly in the back of the Kerry net after only 50 seconds.
Benny Coulter popped over a Down point on three minutes and Ambrose Rogers drilled over a sensational 45 to make it 1-2 to no score after five minutes. An amazing start for the Ulster county, whose excellent harrying had forced mistakes from the Kerry defence for all three of those opening scores.
James McCartan's team also survived an early handling error from goalkeeper Brendan McVeigh as well as two wides from Bryan Sheehan, who pulled shots wide into the Hill 16 end from open play and from a 45. Down's tenacity was forcing the All-Ireland champions to cough up possession and Paul McComiskey made it a six-point game after another turnover.
Rogers missed a 45 before Sheehan recorded his third wide of the match. A minute later, the Kerry captain fired over his side's opening score after Kieran Donaghy carved the Down defence open. By the 16th minute, Sheehan had sent four efforts wide.
With Kerry starting to take a stranglehold at midfield, Colin Cooper turned Damien Rafferty inside-out to clip over the Munster champions' second score of the match. Cooper then tapped over a free to edge the favourites closer and The Gooch easily converted another free from straight in front of the posts after referee Joe McQuillan penalised Down for a late tackle.
The Cavan official then saved Down when he called play back for an illegal handpass by Donnacha Walsh after Killian Young thought he had scored a Kerry goal. Still, Jack O'Connor's side had been totally dominant since the tenth minute and found themselves just two behind with 26 minutes played, 1-3 to 0-4.
Martin Clarke thumped over a 45 in the 27th minute - Down's first score in 17 - and the same player than rifled over an exquisite point from an acute angle to leave the border county ahead by double scores after 29 minutes: 1-5 to 0-4.
Poland stroked over a free from the hands three minutes shy of the break and the Down centre forward followed up with a superb point off his left foot after good scavenging from Danny Hughes. Down had registered four successive points to lead by six.
Kerry seemed to lose their discipline close to half time and Declan O'Sullivan picked up a yellow card for moaning and was lucky to avoid another one immediately afterwards when he clumsily caught Rogers as the Down man went to ground. The Mourne men had the last laugh as they led six points at half time.
Having lost Michael Quirke to injury near the end of the first half, Kerry started the second period with Donaghy switched to midfield. Clarke banged over a free from the ground in the first minute of the half but it could have been better for the underdogs as McComiskey was sprinting through on goal when he was called back for the free.
The Kingdom were then awarded a couple of dubious frees at either end, culminating in a Cooper conversion - their first score in 17 minutes. Poland wasted a great chance when he had men in support and Sheehan curled over a free from in front of the posts to make it 0-6 to 1-8 after 41 minutes.
McComiskey slotted a superb point after good work from Kalum King and Poland, making it double scores again: 1-9 to 0-6. Declan O'Sullivan missed his shot but there was no such wastefulness from Cooper who arced over an exquisite point.
Ten minutes into the second half, Kerry were reduced to 14 men when Donnacha Walsh was sent off with a second yellow card after a needless high challenge on Poland. Kerry then got the sympathy vote from the ref when Cooper went over easily under a challenge from Rafferty, who was harshly booked. Hard to see a foul there... Needless to say, the unerring Cooper slotted over the free.
Daniel Hughes and McComiskey hit Down wides as they strained to make the extra man tell. We then saw unbelievable drama at the end of the third quarter:
Firstly, Down appeared to have a second goal when McComiskey dived in to palm Coulter's delivery to the net. It looked okay but again the man in the middle decided that there was an illegal handpass from Coulter. Two 'foul' handpasses spotted by the ref in the whole match - and both of them were assists for goals. Yet everything else seemed to be okay - strange.
Almost immediately, at the other end, Cooper placed Donaghy for what looked like a certain Kerry goal but McVeigh came off his line to save well. Sheehan effortlessly popped over the 45 to close the gap further: 1-9 to 0-9. Down had five different scorers at this stage, while Cooper and Sheehan had accounted for all Kerry scores.
Down sub Conor Maginn - with a beautiful point - made it 1-10 to 0-9 with 13 minutes left and the influential Martin Clarke was off target with his effort. Two minutes later, Coulter clipped over a fantastic point from an acute angle to make it a five-point game.
Another sublime Coulter point in the 62nd minute, after easing past Aidan O'Mahony, put the underdogs a whopping eight points clear: 1-12 to 0-9. It was all Down as substitute Ronan Murtagh arrowed over their fourth consecutive point after some tidy keep-ball.
Kerry needed a goal and it was Groundhog Day as Cooper placed Donaghy and McVeigh made the save with his left paw. An inspirational stop. Cooper ended Kerry's scoreless run with a free from the hands five minutes from time, but the Mourne County still led by six.
A late Down free was moved closer to goal after backchat in the Kerry defence and the brilliant Martin Clarke eased the ball between the posts - his fourth score. As the floodgates opened and Down had appreciation coming from three corners of Croker - their own supporters as well as those of Tyrone and Dublin - sub Peter Fitzpatrick and Ambrose Rogers tagged on further scores.
The disappointing match referee blotted his copybook further when ridiculously awarding Kerry an injury-time penalty - which David Moran rolled calmly to the net - but there would be no stopping Down today as they claimed a spectacular and fully-deserved victory.
Down: Brendan McVeigh, Daniel McCartan, Dan Gordon, Damien Rafferty; Declan Rooney; Kevin McKernan, Conor Garvey; Ambrose Rogers (0-2), Kalum King; Daniel Hughes, Mark Poland (1-2), Paul McComiskey (0-2); Benny Coulter (0-2), John Clarke, Martin Clarke (0-4). Subs: Conor Maginn (0-1), Ronan Murtagh (0-1), Peter Fitzpatrick (0-1).
Kerry: Brendan Kealy; Mark O Se, Tommy Griffin, Tomas O'Sullivan; Aidan O'Mahony, Mike McCarthy, Killian Young; Seamus Scanlon, Michael Quirke; Darran O'Sullivan, Declan O'Sullivan, Donnacha Walsh; Colin Cooper (0-7), Kieran Donaghy, Bryan Sheehan (0-3). Subs: David Moran (1-0), BJ Walsh, K O'Leary, Daniel Bohane.
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Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 03:40:50 PM
I really hate Marty Morrisey constantly talking about Dara O'Se having retired. He might as well have been talking about Paudi's retirement for all it matters. When you are gone you are gone.
Dara wouldn't have made any difference and neither would Tomas. Galvin might have improved things significantly but under pressure he can win you the game or get sent off so no guarantee there either.
Some performance by Down though.
Spillane trying not to have sour grapes sounds exactly like sour grapes.
Absolute nonsense.
Two of the greatest players in the history of the game.
So were Paudi and Jacko but do you think they would make a difference?
Is Paudi STILL suspended?
Yes, from reality.
Quote from: crossfire on July 30, 2010, 10:52:12 PM
I fancy Down.
Good luck Boys.
To Indiana and Kerry Mike, Yous boys know nothing about football. ;) ;)
Well done Down
never, ever seen that coming but fair fcuks to Down
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 31, 2010, 03:54:21 PM
Great performance by Down. Not the shock Marty Morrissey would have you believe. Down has serious talent with young players who have U21 and Minor All-Ireland medals. Division 1 team now and should be major force for awhile. They are also the form team right now and I'd expect them to win their semi. Hard luck to Kerry. This has been a great Kerry team but time has caught up with them and sad to see some players who are now a shadow of their former selves. Would also say that provincial councils need to time their finals closer to the quarter final stage. Kerry were waiting too long, and always looked off the pitch of the game.
They can't win either way. If they put them on any later the losing finalists get screwed over even more often than they already do with 6 day turnarounds.
Hands up, never seen that result coming today! Fair play to Down, they stuffed a Kerry team who were obviously on the way out, and Down slammed the door on them emphatically.
Down are already well into bonus territory, can they go the whole way???
Quote from: Kerry1980 on July 31, 2010, 03:42:19 PM
ah well, when you lose 2 all ireland winners to aussie rules , the greatest midfielder in history to retirement and the best current player in the game to a media witch hunt you're always going to be up against it. The fact that Kerry will surely now give serious consideration to going the back door again next year just about sums up the way game is currently run. The bitters will take delight in the kingdom's demise, the true followers of the game will acknowledge the end of a great side that had circumstances been different, would have been fairly allowed to continue their dominance.
Is the 1980 bit in your name your date of birth or where you are in relation to Gaelic Games? Remember the back door has been kind to Kerry the last coulple of years. Ye had it handy in the old days when ye had to win three games to win an AI. On the departure of players, tough! Think of the Counties all over the country who have players dropping out year in year out, because they are with weaker counties!
Muppet - I can't agree that Tomás O Se's supension was irrelevant. If anything I thought today was a perfect illustration of how utterly crucial he is to Kerry.
Congratulations to Down - a superb performance. I don't think even the most ardent Down supporter could have anticipated such a magnificent display.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 31, 2010, 04:01:34 PM
Muppet - I can't agree that Tomás O Se's supension was irrelevant. If anything I thought today was a perfect illustration of how utterly crucial he is to Kerry.
Congratulations to Down - a superb performance. I don't think even the most ardent Down supporter could have anticipated such a magnificent display.
Don't get me wrong he is a class player but he is human and has ordinary days as well. Also Aiden O'Mahony is hardy a weak player to replace him with. I just wouldn't see him as making that much of a difference. Galvin possibly.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
More chance of Roscommon winning the all ireland then Down beating Kerry. Who have Down beaten?
Roscommon are 100/1 lads. Get your money on them!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
126 years and counting.
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Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
More chance of Roscommon winning the all ireland then Down beating Kerry. Who have Down beaten?
Roscommon are 100/1 lads. Get your money on them!
If you want to be fleeced. ;D
fair play to down, played great and fully deserved their win. marty clarke is some footballer. im as sick as a small hospital with that result but good luck to down
Quote from: magickingdom on July 31, 2010, 04:16:33 PM
fair play to down, played great and fully deserved their win. marty clarke is some footballer. im as sick as a small hospital with that result but good luck to down
Well said, you have nothing to be ashamed of. Great group of Kerry players, who (almost) owe their county nothing!
Congrats to down.
To be honest, it'll be good to have a summer off for once.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2010, 04:33:01 PM
Congrats to down.
To be honest, it'll be good to have a summer off for once.
Off the board?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2010, 04:33:01 PM
Congrats to down.
To be honest, it'll be good to have a summer off for once.
Fair fcks to ye Mike, ye called it right about the vultures. ;)
Down are through to the semi-finals of the GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship after an emphatic 1-16 to 1-10 defeat of reigning champions Kerry at Croke Park on Saturday.
The Mourne men made a blistering start to lead by six points in the opening 11 minutes and they never surrendered their advantage in a thrilling contest.
Kerry had Donncha Walsh sent off in the second half at a point when they were starting to make inroads into Down's lead, but James McCarten's men were clinical in the closing stages and finished the game with a spell-binding attacking display to dump the Kingdom out of the Championship.
Although they controlled the game, they had goalkeeper Brendan McVeigh to thank for a pair of wonderful saves. The Down goalkeeper denied Kieran Donaghy with two brilliant second half stops, the second of which came in the 64th minute after some Colm Cooper magic had set up the big full-forward whose shot was blocked, all but ending their challenge.
Down needed a good start and they got just that. They were a goal up inside a minute. Micheál Quirke, back in the Kerry team at midfield, surrendered possession to Paul McComiskey, whose foot pass found Mark Poland and the centre-forward finished emphatically past Brendan Kealy.
Down have made a habit of sprinting out of the blocks and they scored three more points without reply to lead by 1-3 to 0-0 by the 11th minute. Benny Coulter, Ambrose Rogers ('45) and a sublime effort from McComiskey had the Mourne men in the kind of position they could only have dreamed about.
Meanwhile, the Kerry wides were coming as steadily as the rain. Captain Bryan Sheehan was guilty of squandering three good chances to open the champions' account in the first 14 minutes. Eventually, the St Mary's man hit the target, when Donaghy – who had a quiet opening half due to Dan Gordon's exceptional marking job – set him up with an easy opportunity, which he belted over.
Kerry, unable to get their hands on the ball in the opening stages, finally started to win ball around the middle third. Cooper looked dangerous, but he was starved of possession until he found space, executed a classy dummy bounce and kicked from an angle to add Kerry's second. When Cooper knocked over two scores from frees, the Kingdom were right back in the game, trailing by 1-3 to 0-4 after 22 minutes.
Jack O'Connor's side then looked to have taken the lead when a brilliant passing move resulted in Killian Young smashing home past Brendan McVeigh. Referee Joe McQuillan, however, had noticed an illegal handpass from Donncha Walsh in the build-up and he goal was disallowed.
It looked like a minor blip, but it proved to be more costly, as Down once again enjoyed a period of complete dominance up to the half-time whistle. They had gone 17 minutes without a point as Kerry slowly eroded their lead, but it was the Ulster side who finished the half with four successive scores to re-establish a six-point lead.
Martin Clarke, who was operating in a free role, kicked two scores in a row, including a fine effort after a brilliant exchange with Coulter, while Poland finished the half as he had started it, scoring two points to leave McCartan's side with one foot in the semi-finals.
Donncha Walsh, already booked in the first half, was sent off for a second yellow card when he caught Poland with a high tackle in the 46th minute. A man and six points down, Kerry were staring into the abyss.
It might have been all over in the 51st minute, but McComiskey had a goal diallowed by the referee. Coulter had wriggled through on goal and found his team-mate with a hand pass – illegally it transpired – before the diminutive Down forward pumched the ball into the empty net.
Three minutes later, Kerry had a great chance to come right back into the game, but Donaghy was denied by McVeigh, who blocked with his feet after the big Kerry full-forward had been sent clear on goal by Cooper. Sheehan sent the reultant '45 over the bar and Kerry were within three points.
However, Down, who had thrown away a big lead in their Ulster semi-final defeat to Tyrone, proved they are the genuine article with a stunning finish to the game. Conor Maginn, Coulter and Ronan Murtagh were all on target as Down kicked four successive points to move back into a seven-point lead.
Cooper temporarily stemmed the tide with a free, but Down were relentless and finished with three more points without reply to secure a convincing win. A late David Moran penalty was little more than consolation for the Kingdom.
Down: B McVeigh; D McCartan, D Gordon, D Rafferty; D Rooney, K McKernan, C Garvey; A Rodgers (0-2, 0-1 '45), K King; D Hughes, M Poland (1-2, 0-1f), P McComiskey (0-2), B Coulter (0-3), J Clarke, M Clarke (0-4, 0-2f, 0-1 '45).
Subs: C Maginn (0-1) for Clarke, R Murtagh (0-1) for McComiskey, B McArdle for Rooney, P Fitzpatrick (0-1) for King, R Sexton for Poland.
Kerry: B Kealy, M O Se, T Griffin, T O'Sullivan, A O'Mahony, M McCarthy, K Young, S Scanlon, M Quirke, Darran O'Sullivan, Declan O'Sullivan, D Walsh, C Cooper (0-7, 0-5f), K Donaghy, B Sheehan (0-3, 0-1f, 0-1 '45).
Subs: D Moran (1-0, 1-0 pen) for Quirke, BJ Keane for Scanlon, K O'Leary for Darran O'Sullivan, A O'Connell for O'Mahony, D Bohan for Young, A Maher for Sheehan.
Great win for Down - I really enjoyed the comments on the board by the Kerrymen in the run up to the game – All very knowledgeable comments and very gracious in defeat – I am probably older than many of the posters on this board, have been going to Down matches since the late 1950's and have seen many great Down wins – I have to say that today's win rates right up with some of those memorable wins – Down came into today's game having been pasted by Tyrone for 50 minutes, then getting lucky in the qualifiers and playing "weaker" teams – Some of the comments about Down's win only being the result of some Kerry players missing reminds me of Mick O'Connell's comments after the 1960 AIF – Up until then, Gaelic Football was a catch-and-kick game and instead of playing it that way at mid-field, Joe Lennon and Jarleth Carey played a strategy of palming it down to the other – Mick didn't think it fair football, but it was the strategy for the game and a big reason for the win that day – When the dust settles on today's game, many will see the surgical execution of a strategy by Down in the many man-to-man battles on the field – Despite the missing men there was a squad of talented Kerry footballers on the pitch and Down worked a strategy that won on the day against the completion they faced - Up Down!
Q: Which All-Ireland winning team has, in the past, boasted that the hardest game it got all year was in training?
Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
Q: Which All-Ireland winning team has, in the past, boasted that the hardest game it got all year was in training?
I think that was just referring to the 2004 and 2006 AI finals
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Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
Q: Which All-Ireland winning team has, in the past, boasted that the hardest game it got all year was in training?
I think that was just referring to the 2004 and 2006 AI finals
Correct it sure was.
I see O'Connor was as graceful as ever in defeat, even though his team were bate off the park.
I must admit, I didnt see that coming. Down were fantastic today, great work ethic, well organised and shortage of skill. Marty Clarke was head and shoulders the best player on show today in both games.
No-one will want to play yous now after that, I hope yous can keep up that intensity because if you can, I think an all-ireland is there for the taking now.
Good luck for the rest of the year and well done!
Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 06:25:30 PM
I see O'Connor was as graceful as ever in defeat, even though his team were bate off the park.
I think you should just leave the stage to the counties left and stop trying to take cheap shots at JOC
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 31, 2010, 06:31:58 PM
I must admit, I didnt see that coming. Down were fantastic today, great work ethic, well organised and shortage of skill. Marty Clarke was head and shoulders the best player on show today in both games.
No-one will want to play yous now after that, I hope yous can keep up that intensity because if you can, I think an all-ireland is there for the taking now.
Good luck for the rest of the year and well done!
Are you for real?
Would you rather have him or Bernard Brogan in your team?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2010, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 06:25:30 PM
I see O'Connor was as graceful as ever in defeat, even though his team were bate off the park.
I think you should just leave the stage to the counties left and stop trying to take cheap shots at JOC
I don't think it was a cheap shot, O'Connor gave a very magnanimous interview.
Absolutely overjoyed and can I be the first to ask how many All Stars we are going to get ? Benny's must be nailed on, with Marty and Ambrose very close already as well. Cluxton has one hand on the keeper's jersey but McVeigh will push him all the way.
I think Kerry got four points from play - three from the Gooch and one from Sheehan - so that goes down as an outstanding defensive performance. Our midfield was fantastic, and the entire forward line was great. Marty just about edged man of the match, but no one got less than eight of ten.
It was also a tremendous managerial display, as every sub made a mark and we knew exactly how to deal with our extra man. Kerry had their first ever quarter final defeat in our first ever game at this stage, so it could not really be much better.
Some of us thought the signs were there when we won our first league game in Kildare, although some of us think that every year anyway. Onwards and upwards.
maybe i picked him up wrong so. I didnt see the interview.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 02:48:55 PM
I thought the ref got it right.
It was one of those sideways 'pushed' hand-passes as far as I'm concerned.
I thought so too - no "backlift".
Not a chance lads, and the Down 'goal' was perfect too. And what made the decision to penalise Walsh was that the exact same type of handpass was made by a Down man in teh very next passage of play and he let it go. It was a great game and a great result but the standard of reffing is depressing at this stage.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 31, 2010, 06:44:02 PM
Absolutely overjoyed and can I be the first to ask how many All Stars we are going to get ? Benny's must be nailed on, with Marty and Ambrose very close already as well. Cluxton has one hand on the keeper's jersey but McVeigh will push him all the way.
Jesus!
Still can't believe the result + performance!
Fair play to all you who were adamant - have to say I doubted the team could beat Kerry
Now all things change - why wouldn't Down believe they could win it all!?!
Cork favs but now v v interesting!
Delighted for the lads who have put 10 yrs in + for James
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2010, 06:46:07 PM
maybe i picked him up wrong so. I didnt see the interview.
In my own experience Kerry are both the best winners and the best losers.
Unfortunately I've only experienced the latter personally once at Senior level.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2010, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 06:25:30 PM
I see O'Connor was as graceful as ever in defeat, even though his team were bate off the park.
I think you should just leave the stage to the counties left and stop trying to take cheap shots at JOC
I think he should be more graceful in defeat and shoulder a bit of the blame instead of taking cheap shots at a ref who was extremely generous to Kerry. This is a forum for all the days happenings, is it not?
Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 06:42:02 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2010, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 06:25:30 PM
I see O'Connor was as graceful as ever in defeat, even though his team were bate off the park.
I think you should just leave the stage to the counties left and stop trying to take cheap shots at JOC
I don't think it was a cheap shot, O'Connor gave a very magnanimous interview.
I was getting a touch of sour grapes from him. Have never really been able to warm to him.
Really well done to Down. Delighted to see ye make this break through. No reason that ye can't make the final now.
When are the highlights on next?
Is the semi-final on a Sunday?
Well done to Down better team . Disappointing day in the office where we never got going . Thanks lads for thr great days you cnt win them all
Craigavon's foremost Down supporter, Our Nail Loney, would like to report that "The boys in red an black are back!"
The spelling mistake is entirely his.
Quote from: Catch the high ball on July 31, 2010, 07:31:18 PM
When are the highlights on next?
Is the semi-final on a Sunday?
Yes to the latter question, 29th August I think.
Quote from: orangeman on July 26, 2010, 11:07:36 AM
This is a great draw for Down. Nothing to lose and Kerry might be vulnerable due to the loss of Galvin and O'Se.
If Kerry get over this one, they're looking good for another All Ireland.
Well donw Down. That was a mauling.
Does anyone know where I can watch the game in full, missed it today?
Quote from: Catch the high ball on July 31, 2010, 08:36:25 PM
Does anyone know where I can watch the game in full, missed it today?
Were you playing for Kerry or Tyrone?
Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on July 31, 2010, 08:36:25 PM
Does anyone know where I can watch the game in full, missed it today?
Were you playing for Kerry or Tyrone?
Feckin workin, had to listen to it on Radio Ulster!!
I thought Kevin McKernan was excellent for Down today. Really stood up at the beginning of the second half and showed real leadership. Likewise with the midfield. To see both Kerry midfielders taken off shortly after half time shows demonstrates how well they played (15 in the first half aside).
Well done Down and the best of luck in the semi final.
Quote from: barelegs on July 31, 2010, 08:47:57 PM
I thought Kevin McKernan was excellent for Down today. Really stood up at the beginning of the second half and showed real leadership. Likewise with the midfield. To see both Kerry midfielders taken off shortly after half time shows demonstrates how well they played (15 in the first half aside).
Well done Down and the best of luck in the semi final.
Quirke was injured
Absolutely delighted for Down.
I thought Clarke was majestic - the real go-to man today. Covered every blade. For all the talent on the Kingdom's side, Clarke was head and shoulder above everyone. Croker suits Clarke - look after him well cos he's a real gem.
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Quote from: barelegs on July 31, 2010, 08:47:57 PM
I thought Kevin McKernan was excellent for Down today. Really stood up at the beginning of the second half and showed real leadership. Likewise with the midfield. To see both Kerry midfielders taken off shortly after half time shows demonstrates how well they played (15 in the first half aside).
Well done Down and the best of luck in the semi final.
Quirke was injured
My mistake then, you don't pick these things up when your at the match. Thought he'd shaken off the shoulder knock he'd taken
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Absolutely delighted for Down.
I thought Clarke was majestic - the real go-to man today. Covered every blade. For all the talent on the Kingdom's side, Clarke was head and shoulder above everyone. Croker suits Clarke - look after him well cos he's a real gem.
He wasn't.
Why are people completely blowing Clarkes performance out of all proportion?
He was. He took the game to Kerry single-handedly in the middle part of the second half.
Head and shoulders above Colm Cooper?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 06:38:16 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 31, 2010, 06:31:58 PM
I must admit, I didnt see that coming. Down were fantastic today, great work ethic, well organised and shortage of skill. Marty Clarke was head and shoulders the best player on show today in both games.
No-one will want to play yous now after that, I hope yous can keep up that intensity because if you can, I think an all-ireland is there for the taking now.
Good luck for the rest of the year and well done!
Are you for real?
Would you rather have him or Bernard Brogan in your team?
Brogan had a good game, dont get me wrong, but Clarke was unbelievable today. He was back defending inside his own 21, taking frees, scoring from play (particularly the first half point near the end line) his tackling, passing....dont think he put a foot wrong and IMO he was the glue today that held that Down team in place. If it was a straight choice between Clarke and Brogan...based on today's games, Clarke without a doubt.
Sure ye Ulster boys think he's the second coming of christ since he was in secondary school.
He had a good game alright but to say he was head and shoulders above everyone else in BOTH games is a bit of a stretch.
Congrats to Down, well deserved.
Hope you can go all the way now.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Absolutely delighted for Down.
I thought Clarke was majestic - the real go-to man today. Covered every blade. For all the talent on the Kingdom's side, Clarke was head and shoulder above everyone. Croker suits Clarke - look after him well cos he's a real gem.
He wasn't.
Why are people completely blowing Clarkes performance out of all proportion?
I'm tempted to watch the game again to see did i miss something- my impression was that he played well, worked like a trojan but no more.
I didn't think he was as good as Gooch for example.
On that does anybody think that Gooch is totally under utilised on that Kerry team? He looked to have the beating of his man every time today, yet Kerry often still went with a big hoof in on top of Donaghy.
Do Kerry management not remember when Cooper first burst onto the scene, the havoc he used to cause... I know he is still top class but i think there is more in him. Brogan for example is a wonderful footballer and he racks up huge scores from play- why cant Kerry provide Cooper with the amount of ball Brogan gets...
Wonderful, wonderful stuff today.
Every single man in red and black was superb.
Clarke was good but he wasn't that good, certainly not by his standards.
McKernan, Garvey, McCartan, Gordon were the really outstanding performers. McKernan grew up as a player today. Has O Sullivan ever been given less room than Garvey gave him today?
Maginn was superb when he came on as well.
I'm delighted, absolutely delighted. It was the best organised and most efficient Down performance I think I've seen. Just f**king wonderful.
Indiana, I refer you to pages 16-19. Be a man and admit you weren't just wrong, but on a different planet.
Quote from: haze on July 31, 2010, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Absolutely delighted for Down.
I thought Clarke was majestic - the real go-to man today. Covered every blade. For all the talent on the Kingdom's side, Clarke was head and shoulder above everyone. Croker suits Clarke - look after him well cos he's a real gem.
He wasn't.
Why are people completely blowing Clarkes performance out of all proportion?
I'm tempted to watch the game again to see did i miss something- my impression was that he played well, worked like a trojan but no more.
I didn't think he was as good as Gooch for example.
On that does anybody think that Gooch is totally under utilised on that Kerry team? He looked to have the beating of his man every time today, yet Kerry often still went with a big hoof in on top of Donaghy.
Do Kerry management not remember when Cooper first burst onto the scene, the havoc he used to cause... I know he is still top class but i think there is more in him. Brogan for example is a wonderful footballer and he racks up huge scores from play- why cant Kerry provide Cooper with the amount of ball Brogan gets...
I agree the Gooch was very good today . I hope that he sticks around . Kerrys problems were a poor midfield .God we missed Daragh Tomas ,Paul,Tadhg, and Big Tommy . The lads kept trying .
Being a long time coming but it was worth the wait , words can't describe how that felt today . Everyone of them that pulled that jersey on today done us proud . I have to say that the Kerry fans that I met today made me feel proud to be a part of this great organisation of ours . Class acts .
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 30, 2010, 08:32:01 PM
You're mad in the head Indiana.
Kerry have three exceptional fowards and in Marc O Se, one outstanding defender.
The rest of them are no better or worse than 90% of county players.
Kerry had 9 top class players last summer and were an exceptional team for it. But this is a different vintage. Some people just see green and gold then go google eyed.
Down have no good defenders , an average midfield and 3 good forwards. And you think that will beat kerry? Ther eis only one person mad in the head mate and it ain't me. This isn't 1991 or 1968. You'd want to fast forward a bit.
Who was telling ye this ? Pat Spillane or Martin McHugh ? our defence has come on alot this year , have a look at our scores against tally in the league . An average midfield ? Ambrose would get onto any team in the country and Kalum King has had a brilliant first year and will only get better . I have no worries about our forwards if they click there are as good as most . How many times have you seen Down play Indiana ? or is your opinion based on what you read in the papers . Anyway hope the lads do themselves justice tomorrow , go out and give it everything . James's first year can only go down as a success .
Down are tier 2. Tomorrow they are playing a tier one side and will lose. By 7-8 points in my view. It doesn't take much for down fans to lose the run of themselves. Big wins over Sligo mean nothing at this level.
::)
Quote from: downredblack on July 31, 2010, 09:49:44 PM
Being a long time coming but it was worth the wait , words can't describe how that felt today . Everyone of them that pulled that jersey on today done us proud . I have to say that the Kerry fans that I met today made me feel proud to be a part of this great organisation of ours . Class acts .
Best of luck . I was very impressed the way Down pulled away before half time . Meath or Kildare will present new challenges to Down but thats for another day .Enjoy you guys have been a long time in the wilderness , For us now it is post mortems and nobody does post motems like we do (rough as hell )
Just had a look at pages 16 17 and 18 it made me laugh this is a very special day for us mourne folk :) :)
Indiana
Cosmo Kramer
bcarrier
blanketattack
Shawshank
Allofasludden
rrhf
hardstation
Frank Casey
Will Hunting
Deacon Blue
I don't like to gloat....but I'm afraid I have to this time...whats it like to see a team that you have ridiculed beat the best team in Ireland by a mile
The Aristocrats are back....
Have a soft spot for Down (which will keep them warm at night). They had weekend training camps in our club (Glenariffe) in North Antrim before their first Ulster championship matches in 1991 and 1994. Must have been something in the water.
Kerry lost their 100% record in All Ireland quarter finals on the same day Down earned a 100% record in them!!
The boys in Red & Black are back! aha
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 31, 2010, 11:28:42 PM
Indiana
Cosmo Kramer
bcarrier
blanketattack
Shawshank
Allofasludden
rrhf
hardstation
Frank Casey
Will Hunting
Deacon Blue
I don't like to gloat....but I'm afraid I have to this time...whats it like to see a team that you have ridiculed beat the best team in Ireland by a mile
The Aristocrats are back....
Only they're clearly not the best team in Ireland.
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 31, 2010, 11:28:42 PM
Indiana
Cosmo Kramer
bcarrier
blanketattack
Shawshank
Allofasludden
rrhf
hardstation
Frank Casey
Will Hunting
Deacon Blue
I don't like to gloat....but I'm afraid I have to this time...whats it like to see a team that you have ridiculed beat the best team in Ireland by a mile
The Aristocrats are back....
congrats 5 sams no complaints against Down who are now serious contenders ,
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 31, 2010, 11:28:42 PM
Indiana
Cosmo Kramer
bcarrier
blanketattack
Shawshank
Allofasludden
rrhf
hardstation
Frank Casey
Will Hunting
Deacon Blue
I don't like to gloat....but I'm afraid I have to this time...whats it like to see a team that you have ridiculed beat the best team in Ireland by a mile
The Aristocrats are back....
ye missed out one of your own clubmates there 5sams (Not the wobbler who should probably frame a few pages of this thread).
Oh ye of little faith.
is the down v kildare/meath semi on the 29th Aug?
Congrats to Down on a very special day...I know it will stay in the memory banks for a long, long time.
A little belief goes a long way against a team with a little doubt, doesn't it?
Heroes every Man,a complete team performance. Thought Garvey and Mc Kernan were majestic. Having witnessed every defeat of Kerry by Down over the past 50 yrs. i have no hesitation in saying this was the sweetest off all, probably because it was so unexpected. Fair play to Kerry they were great champions. After that performance today, and the belief and confidence it will engender, anything is possible for Down, for the first time in years, we can dare to dream. The particularly satisfying aspect of our victory, was that we achieved it the Down Way, playing positive flowing attacking football, with no cynicism our negative tactics
Quote from: passedit on August 01, 2010, 12:02:36 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 31, 2010, 11:28:42 PM
Indiana
Cosmo Kramer
bcarrier
blanketattack
Shawshank
Allofasludden
rrhf
hardstation
Frank Casey
Will Hunting
Deacon Blue
I don't like to gloat....but I'm afraid I have to this time...whats it like to see a team that you have ridiculed beat the best team in Ireland by a mile
The Aristocrats are back....
ye missed out one of your own clubmates there 5sams (Not the wobbler who should probably frame a few pages of this thread).
Oh ye of little faith.
I'll be havin a word with him passedit ;) ;)
Congrats to Down
Brilliant performance today and no reason why they can't go all the way now.
Some say tradition plays no part but when the game was there to be won today the confidence Down teams on a roll have that comes from wearing the jersey spurred them on.
Compare them to Monaghan in 2007 ( was it?) the first game against Kerry when they had them for the taking or even Armagh in 2000. It definitely plays a part.
As for Kerry it seems there is a serious rebuilding process needed and the minor teams from the last few years wouldn't provide a lot of hope.
Tomas O'Se was definitely a big miss. How many times has he popped up with a score or driving run to lift Kerry? There was just no leadership barring Cooper out there today.
Congrats to Down today. Great stuff.
Use made me a few quid. ;D
I hope use go on and win it!!
yous
I don't think there was anything unexpected about today. And fair play to 5 Sams for pointing out the guilty parties who would know more about the nice fish supper I had next door to Meaghers after the game.
And fair play to Moune Rover who knows more than I will ever know and reads it like a book.And fair play to Kerry Mike and all the Kerry supporters I had the privilege of meeting today.
But the fairest of plays goes to James, Jerome, Brian, Paddy and the panel who restored our faith in the game we love with courage, skill and passion.
From 1 to 15 plus the subs we won the battles.It's a bit late to analyse performances but for all the players I saw today, across 6 teams, you are the best of Irish manhood. Oiche mhaith.
Can't add much to what's been said other than fair play lads and hope ye go all the way!
Quote from: johnpower on July 31, 2010, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: downredblack on July 31, 2010, 09:49:44 PM
Being a long time coming but it was worth the wait , words can't describe how that felt today . Everyone of them that pulled that jersey on today done us proud . I have to say that the Kerry fans that I met today made me feel proud to be a part of this great organisation of ours . Class acts .
Best of luck . I was very impressed the way Down pulled away before half time . Meath or Kildare will present new challenges to Down but thats for another day .Enjoy you guys have been a long time in the wilderness , For us now it is post mortems and nobody does post motems like we do (rough as hell )
In the post mortems, make sure to give special honour to Colin Cooper, who was magnificent and gave his best ever performance in the green and gold today.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 31, 2010, 08:07:49 PM
Craigavon's foremost Down supporter, Our Nail Loney, would like to report that "The boys in red an black are back!"
The spelling mistake is entirely his.
Got to like that!
Quote from: Hardy on August 01, 2010, 01:58:58 AM
Quote from: johnpower on July 31, 2010, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: downredblack on July 31, 2010, 09:49:44 PM
TBeing a long time coming but it was worth the wait , words can't describe how that felt today . Everyone of them that pulled that jersey on today done us proud . I have to say that the Kerry fans that I met today made me feel proud to be a part of this great organisation of ours . Class acts .
Best of luck . I was very impressed the way Down pulled away before half time . Meath or Kildare will present new challenges to Down but thats for another day .Enjoy you guys have been a long time in the wilderness , For us now it is post mortems and nobody does post motems like we do (rough as hell )
In the post mortems, make sure to give special honour to Colm Cooper, who was magnificent and gave his best ever performance in the green and gold today.
I second that! Unmarkable on the limited possession he got
Yes Cooper was excellent but he was on his own far too often to be reall effective.
Martin Clarke deserved Man of the Match. I can only rememeber him wasting one ball - when he kicked a wide late it the game. Every pass was perfect and he was all over the pitch winning braking ball.
First and foremost congrats to Down on an excellent display we couldn't live with. We got a hiding today (two if you count the minors).
Secondly from a Kerry perspective we handed Down a six point lead and the start the underdogs only dream of. We never reeled in this start.
Third the big calls went against us. The sending off seemed harsh (have not seen it on telly again) and the disallowed goal would have put us in the lead and that may have asked different questions of Down. I accept the Down goal was legit as well and it appeared to be no peno from first viewing either but the game was over when these occurred.
Fourth the future is not bright today, after approx 13 years at or close to the top we will be exiting the stage for a period. It was a privilege following Kerry in those years. I was too young to remember the 1975-86 era but I will talk fondly about 1997-2009. 2002 was the most enjoyable year the football played that year was incredible up to the second half of the final.
Fantastic performance by Down. Best of the championship to date. An array of scoring forwards.
I liked the way that after the result of the first game, the Down fans (at least those close to me) changed their mind about who they'd be supporting in the 2nd game!
Quote from: Hound on August 01, 2010, 08:53:22 AM
Fantastic performance by Down. Best of the championship to date. An array of scoring forwards.
I liked the way that after the result of the first game, the Down fans (at least those close to me) changed their mind about who they'd be supporting in the 2nd game!
Changed their minds to who?
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 01, 2010, 08:22:12 AM
First and foremost congrats to Down on an excellent display we couldn't live with. We got a hiding today (two if you count the minors).
Secondly from a Kerry perspective we handed Down a six point lead and the start the underdogs only dream of. We never reeled in this start.
Third the big calls went against us. The sending off seemed harsh (have not seen it on telly again) and the disallowed goal would have put us in the lead and that may have asked different questions of Down. I accept the Down goal was legit as well and it appeared to be no peno from first viewing either but the game was over when these occurred.
Fourth the future is not bright today, after approx 13 years at or close to the top we will be exiting the stage for a period. It was a privilege following Kerry in those years. I was too young to remember the 1975-86 era but I will talk fondly about 1997-2009. 2002 was the most enjoyable year the football played that year was incredible up to the second half of the final.
It certainly was an excellent performance but must disagree re the refs calls. " The Goal " was not disallowed, as the free was awarded rightly or wrongly against the hand pass and the whole Down defence stopped once the whistle was blown.
Kerry got a couple of reallly debatable frees leading up to this which brought them back ino a game they were being bossed out of.
Kerry have been a class act over the past 10 years or so and all credit to them, but all the nonsense about missing 6 from last year is total red herring. Players move on and retire from every team and no one can defend the actions of Galvin or O'Se. Thier own actions brought them the suspensions
Down could only beat the 15 /20 on the field and in the end a 6 point margin flattered Kerry.
No medals handed out yeasterday but we can all look forward to last weekend in August and plenty of club football in between
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 01, 2010, 01:50:38 AM
I don't think there was anything unexpected about today. And fair play to 5 Sams for pointing out the guilty parties who would know more about the nice fish supper I had next door to Meaghers after the game.
Down were great yesterday, and Kerry were poor. But it's absolute crap to say that it was expected. The bookies were clearly well off the mark as well. I assume you won an absolute fortune on the game, having put your house on Down at the very generous odds being offered?
Quote from: norabeag on August 01, 2010, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 01, 2010, 08:22:12 AM
First and foremost congrats to Down on an excellent display we couldn't live with. We got a hiding today (two if you count the minors).
Secondly from a Kerry perspective we handed Down a six point lead and the start the underdogs only dream of. We never reeled in this start.
Third the big calls went against us. The sending off seemed harsh (have not seen it on telly again) and the disallowed goal would have put us in the lead and that may have asked different questions of Down. I accept the Down goal was legit as well and it appeared to be no peno from first viewing either but the game was over when these occurred.
Fourth the future is not bright today, after approx 13 years at or close to the top we will be exiting the stage for a period. It was a privilege following Kerry in those years. I was too young to remember the 1975-86 era but I will talk fondly about 1997-2009. 2002 was the most enjoyable year the football played that year was incredible up to the second half of the final.
It certainly was an excellent performance but must disagree re the refs calls. " The Goal " was not disallowed, as the free was awarded rightly or wrongly against the hand pass and the whole Down defence stopped once the whistle was blown.
Kerry got a couple of reallly debatable frees leading up to this which brought them back ino a game they were being bossed out of.
Kerry have been a class act over the past 10 years or so and all credit to them, but all the nonsense about missing 6 from last year is total red herring. Players move on and retire from every team and no one can defend the actions of Galvin or O'Se. Thier own actions brought them the suspensions
Down could only beat the 15 /20 on the field and in the end a 6 point margin flattered Kerry.
No medals handed out yeasterday but we can all look forward to last weekend in August and plenty of club football in between
Agreed. Especially the part about the Kerry 'goal'. Defenders and keeper stopped playing - I could have scored that 'goal'.
Down have some leathal forwards in fairness, they could have won by 12 points if the ref didnt give Kerry some charity. Kerry have been playing with a nastiness the last couple of years that turned a lot of people off them but even with the suspended players they wouldnt have won, 3 points from play is dreadful.
Yeah have to take back what i said about Down. Really are a coming team. I still don't rate their backs having watched their alignment from the Hill but Christ they have a hell of a forward line. And a very good midfield. Still bringing on subs like Murtagh who were raking over points. Mc Cartan has a good reputation as a coach and he's s smart guy. Could make the final now. Down are hard to stop when they get on a run. They have an inner built arrogance that goes back generations and gives them a certain confidence most counties can't match.
A lof of the kerry players are bet unfortunately. Still have enough expereience however to build a new team with Cooper, Scanlon,Donaghy, Galvin and O Sullivan. Bohane impressed me when he came on and you'd have to ask why he didn't start. David Moran continues to disappoint.
But they have to find about 3/4 backs. Cooper was briliiant yesterday but he had no help.
My Kerry friends tell me they have nothing coming through and that they are gone for a few years. Personally I find that hard to believe. You'll always find footballers in kerry. Always.
First and foremost I have to offer my sincerest apologies to thewobbler. He was right and I was way off the mark. Down arrived in Croke Park yesterday as rank outsiders and it seems that for the first time since the qualifiers were introduced they timed their run to perfection. Unconvincing wins against Longford and Offaly, followed by a hammering of a very deflated Sligo side meant that even the bookies got it wrong.
The scoreline does not reflect Downs dominance yesterday. The referee simply rid the Mourne men all day. (wasn't he from Meath? >:() Kerry seemed to get some very handy frees yesterday and were given a very dubious penalty right at the death, thankfully the game was well and truly over as a contest by then and the goal only served to take the bad look of the scoreboard.
The much maligned Down defence seemed very comfortable yesterday, though the platform for the victory was their midfield and young Clarke. King is the perfect foil for Rogers. A big strong lad who is willing to do the dirty work for Rogers. A neighbour of mine raves about Clarke, reckons he is the best player ever to play for Down. He covered every blade of Croker yesterday and was instrumental in Downs win. He never wastes a ball and has fantastic vision, his passing and workrate is phenomenal.
Good luck to Down in the semi final, hopefully meath wont be there. A Down v Dublin final would be ideal now. No one would have said that a few weeks ago.
Excellent down performance. Clarke needs to start at CHF every time. O'Connor got it very, very wrong and didn't seem to have a clue what to do.
People talking shite about Kerry missing players like Darragh O'Se. He got old, like everyone else. If you want to use that as an excuse then Down were missing Sean O'Neill and Mickey Linden ffs. Tomás and Galvin were missing through their own thuggery. Cooper was outstanding. I've never seen Declan O'Sullivan so effectively removed from a game in my life - he was less than anonymous.
Speaking of disallowed goals, has anyone seen a replay to show that Coulter's pass to McComiskey for Down's disallowed goal was any different from O'Sullivan's? McQuillan was dreadful. Cooper got a tap-over free towards the end after the Down defence cleared a high ball dropping in. Sombody (McKernan?) laid off a ball to Conor Garvey and absolutely flattened the man who tried to body check him long after the ball was gone, yet Kerry were given the free.
I have to say the constant reference to Kerry getting soft frees in every match we play is annoying; christ do the teams playing Kerry not get any??? I presume people who have no gra for a team see everything in black and white, as I thought Tyrone manufactured loads of frees yesterday especially near the posts. In respect to the ref yesterday, he did not decide the game, the better side won and 9 points was a more accurate reflection of the difference but if he had not blow for the handpass in the first half and Walsh scored would Down have pushed on like the did? The sending off finished the game as we had too much ground to cover afterwards but honestly we would not have come back anyway as the Down tails were up.
Can anyone help me? I am trying to watch the match analysis on the RTE player thing but it isn't letting me as I am not down south. Is there a way round it?
Congratulations to the Down players and Management yesterday. Although Kerry where minus many from 2009 we still beat a Kingdom team littered with all ireland medals and sid so emphatically. Brendan McVeigh proved what a great keeper he is with a superb display while McKernan had his best game in a Down Jersey. Garvey also defended brilliantly against one of the games greats. Our midfielders worked like trojans while Marty Clarke and Mark Poland where particulary impressive in attack. Benny and McComiskey also played very well while Murtagh again impressed coming on with a great 45 meter score. Role on the simi final. AN DUN ABU.
Is it not a bit presumptious to assume kerry would have scored the disallowed "goal", considering the whole Down defence stopped and McVeigh stood with his hands in the air. The whistle was blown a good bit before he struck the ball.
Brilliant day, couldn't believe what I was watching.
We have a decent chance of making the final, who woiuld have thought that? I thought our 3 best men were Clarke, Poland and McKernan.
By the way, was anyone sitting in section 329 of the hogan, the antics of one particular Tyrone fan was disgraceful and ruined the game for at least 10 people beside him, shocking.
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2010, 02:09:50 PM
Brilliant day, couldn't believe what I was watching.
We have a decent chance of making the final, who woiuld have thought that? I thought our 3 best men were Clarke, Poland and McKernan.
By the way, was anyone sitting in section 329 of the hogan, the antics of one particular Tyrone fan was disgraceful and ruined the game for at least 10 people beside him, shocking.
Was he the guy they kept showing on TV?
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2010, 02:09:50 PM
Brilliant day, couldn't believe what I was watching.
We have a decent chance of making the final, who woiuld have thought that? I thought our 3 best men were Clarke, Poland and McKernan.
By the way, was anyone sitting in section 329 of the hogan, the antics of one particular Tyrone fan was disgraceful and ruined the game for at least 10 people beside him, shocking.
What was he doing?
I was in 329. What was this Tyrone lad up to?
He was sitting half way up the section, in his early 20s wearing a number 13 Tyrone shirt. He came in pissed out of the head with a pint in his hand a bottle of vodka in the back pocket. Stewards mede him leave with his pint, then he got back in.
There were Dublin fans in front of him and behind him. When Tyrone scored he would turn to the man behind him and roar in his face. When Dublin scored he roard "c%nts" into the Dublin fans faces. He roared at the man behind him "you Dublin c%nt, Ill f%%king bust you" and I thought he was going to hit him, then the man and a few men behind all stood up and he sat down. He roared abuse all day at the family in front, which included young children, and they were genuinely afraid. At one point he had his shirt off and was waving Tyrone shirt in the air.
Never witnessed such a thug at a match in my life, it was shocking, im sure quite a few people on here noticed him as he was getting a lot of attention.
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
He was sitting half way up the section, in his early 20s wearing a number 13 Tyrone shirt. He came in pissed out of the head with a pint in his hand a bottle of vodka in the back pocket. Stewards mede him leave with his pint, then he got back in.
There were Dublin fans in front of him and behind him. When Tyrone scored he would turn to the man behind him and roar in his face. When Dublin scored he roard "c%nts" into the Dublin fans faces. He roared at the man behind him "you Dublin c%nt, Ill f%%king bust you" and I thought he was going to hit him, then the man and a few men behind all stood up and he sat down. He roared abuse all day at the family in front, which included young children, and they were genuinely afraid. At one point he had his shirt off and was waving Tyrone shirt in the air.
Never witnessed such a thug at a match in my life, it was shocking, im sure quite a few people on here noticed him as he was getting a lot of attention.
Quote from: John Martin on August 01, 2010, 02:41:11 PM
I was in 329. What was this Tyrone lad up to?
And you missed all that? Idiot. No doubt you were as blocked as this Tyrone fella.
What a clown, should have been put out when he first started causing trouble.
Nobody know a way round me not being able to watch this RTE player? Mate of mine suggested Irish proxies?
unreal performance yesterday by the down lads. were all over kerry from the start, they never had a chance the whole match, just the way we should be! marty clarke getting man of the match was a bit of a joke tho, benny coulter never stopped running all day, numerour assists and just generally played well, much better than clarke.
Kevin McKernan was my MOTM, closely followed by Benny then Marty/Poland.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 01, 2010, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
He was sitting half way up the section, in his early 20s wearing a number 13 Tyrone shirt. He came in pissed out of the head with a pint in his hand a bottle of vodka in the back pocket. Stewards mede him leave with his pint, then he got back in.
There were Dublin fans in front of him and behind him. When Tyrone scored he would turn to the man behind him and roar in his face. When Dublin scored he roard "c%nts" into the Dublin fans faces. He roared at the man behind him "you Dublin c%nt, Ill f%%king bust you" and I thought he was going to hit him, then the man and a few men behind all stood up and he sat down. He roared abuse all day at the family in front, which included young children, and they were genuinely afraid. At one point he had his shirt off and was waving Tyrone shirt in the air.
Never witnessed such a thug at a match in my life, it was shocking, im sure quite a few people on here noticed him as he was getting a lot of attention.
Quote from: John Martin on August 01, 2010, 02:41:11 PM
I was in 329. What was this Tyrone lad up to?
And you missed all that? Idiot. No doubt you were as blocked as this Tyrone fella.
Idiot? That's a little bit harsh, we can't all be in Mensa you know.
Are you not in Dublin for the minor match today?
Completely dominated the game, bossed it, start to finish, unreal day in croke.
I really miss Tony and Trevor Hill at times like this.
Looks like a repeat of the 91 final in the SF- reading Liam Hayes today, the begrudgery seeps out of him, will be some prospect.
So many things to reflect on today but one point is the continued improvement of Mc Comiskey. Clear that he's back to the level he was 2 years ago when at Queens.It does make you think about the massive leap between Division 3 football and playing against the likes of Kerry. He has benefitted from regular games in the qualifiers and was a different man yesterday from the player we saw in Ballybofey. Someone pointed out that Kerry have players from junior clubs who benefit from the divisional set-up so maybe that debate needs another airing.
What were the roman numerals all about on the Down jersey yesterday?
Was it not 1960 in Roman Numerals?
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 01, 2010, 04:24:09 PM
I really miss Tony and Trevor Hill at times like this.
Looks like a repeat of the 91 final in the SF- reading Liam Hayes today, the begrudgery seeps out of him, will be some prospect.
So many things to reflect on today but one point is the continued improvement of Mc Comiskey. Clear that he's back to the level he was 2 years ago when at Queens.It does make you think about the massive leap between Division 3 football and playing against the likes of Kerry. He has benefitted from regular games in the qualifiers and was a different man yesterday from the player we saw in Ballybofey. Someone pointed out that Kerry have players from junior clubs who benefit from the divisional set-up so maybe that debate needs another airing.
Spot on DD, was delighted for MC C yesterday, we need him flying for a realistic shot at this now. Oh and there'd be plenty of Mead byes bitter enough about 91. What is it about these uns who expect ye just to lie down. O Rourke had a sour enough puss on him yesterday as well.
Was very impressed with Murtagh as well when he came on, obviously bursting for a starting place which he thinks should be his by rights. I'd hold him in reserve for the semi too though, a half an hour from him with the promise a of a start in the final could be the decisive factor in Down getting there.
Quote from: passedit on August 01, 2010, 05:57:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 01, 2010, 04:24:09 PM
I really miss Tony and Trevor Hill at times like this.
Looks like a repeat of the 91 final in the SF- reading Liam Hayes today, the begrudgery seeps out of him, will be some prospect.
So many things to reflect on today but one point is the continued improvement of Mc Comiskey. Clear that he's back to the level he was 2 years ago when at Queens.It does make you think about the massive leap between Division 3 football and playing against the likes of Kerry. He has benefitted from regular games in the qualifiers and was a different man yesterday from the player we saw in Ballybofey. Someone pointed out that Kerry have players from junior clubs who benefit from the divisional set-up so maybe that debate needs another airing.
Spot on DD, was delighted for MC C yesterday, we need him flying for a realistic shot at this now. Oh and there'd be plenty of Mead byes bitter enough about 91. What is it about these uns who expect ye just to lie down. O Rourke had a sour enough puss on him yesterday as well.
Was very impressed with Murtagh as well when he came on, obviously bursting for a starting place which he thinks should be his by rights. I'd hold him in reserve for the semi too though, a half an hour from him with the promise a of a start in the final could be the decisive factor in Down getting there.
Jaysus, you were nowhwere to be seen in the lead up to the game and now you are all over the place. You're not one of these lads that only do slagging and banter when you win are you ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 01, 2010, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: passedit on August 01, 2010, 05:57:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 01, 2010, 04:24:09 PM
I really miss Tony and Trevor Hill at times like this.
Looks like a repeat of the 91 final in the SF- reading Liam Hayes today, the begrudgery seeps out of him, will be some prospect.
So many things to reflect on today but one point is the continued improvement of Mc Comiskey. Clear that he's back to the level he was 2 years ago when at Queens.It does make you think about the massive leap between Division 3 football and playing against the likes of Kerry. He has benefitted from regular games in the qualifiers and was a different man yesterday from the player we saw in Ballybofey. Someone pointed out that Kerry have players from junior clubs who benefit from the divisional set-up so maybe that debate needs another airing.
Spot on DD, was delighted for MC C yesterday, we need him flying for a realistic shot at this now. Oh and there'd be plenty of Mead byes bitter enough about 91. What is it about these uns who expect ye just to lie down. O Rourke had a sour enough puss on him yesterday as well.
Was very impressed with Murtagh as well when he came on, obviously bursting for a starting place which he thinks should be his by rights. I'd hold him in reserve for the semi too though, a half an hour from him with the promise a of a start in the final could be the decisive factor in Down getting there.
Jaysus, you were nowhwere to be seen in the lead up to the game and now you are all over the place. You're not one of these lads that only do slagging and banter when you win are you ?
My apologies Mikey. I'm on me holliers in the states, so not much time for the old puter, only when the matches are on. Pissing it down outside now so fire away.
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
He was sitting half way up the section, in his early 20s wearing a number 13 Tyrone shirt. He came in pissed out of the head with a pint in his hand a bottle of vodka in the back pocket. Stewards mede him leave with his pint, then he got back in.
There were Dublin fans in front of him and behind him. When Tyrone scored he would turn to the man behind him and roar in his face. When Dublin scored he roard "c%nts" into the Dublin fans faces. He roared at the man behind him "you Dublin c%nt, Ill f%%king bust you" and I thought he was going to hit him, then the man and a few men behind all stood up and he sat down. He roared abuse all day at the family in front, which included young children, and they were genuinely afraid. At one point he had his shirt off and was waving Tyrone shirt in the air.
Never witnessed such a thug at a match in my life, it was shocking, im sure quite a few people on here noticed him as he was getting a lot of attention.
people who are drumk should not be allowed into the grounds. Thats a disgrace. Probably ruined the day for a lot of people. I hate seeing that crap. Unfortunately some people only go for the drink and have no interest in GAA.
We can do without those scumbags. Why did the stewards not remove him from the ground.
A group of lads were drinking beside me in the Upper Hogan as well.
The stewards are aimless in Croker. They just don't care & don't have to either.
There should be no drink served in Croker until the game is over, and certainly no drink allowed to be taken in. What ever happened to the much heralded GAA anti-alcohol campaign.
Quote from: Pangurban on August 01, 2010, 07:37:36 PM
There should be no drink served in Croker until the game is over, and certainly no drink allowed to be taken in. What ever happened to the much heralded GAA anti-alcohol campaign.
Catch a grip, suppose your opposed to playing on Sundays as well & think we should all be making funny handshakes before & after the games with opposing supporters, with a few psalms recited from the New Teastament at half-time.
There were about six fellas from Belfast sitting behind us at the hurling quarter finals last weekend. They had got the train down and were steaming during the Antrim game and a few of them sat and slept during the Galway v Tipp game, the other ones had went outside to get more booze and missed most of the second game. Why do they bother?
Disappointing response from you Mournerambler, i think you need to catch a grip, or are you happy to witness drunken louts misbehaving in our stadiums.
Pangur, for God's sake, please don't feel that imposing your narrowminded will upon the majority is the way forward.
If people were drunk before the start of the game on Saturday, it was almost certainly not as a result of consuming a few beers in the stadium, but as the result of a binge on the way down. Removing alcohol sales from the stadium doesn't fix that.
Pangurban, I & others beside me, including children, were unfortunate enough to have to listen to (not for very long thankfully) some foul mouthed tosser at the game in Ballybofey & I would safely say the person in question was far from what I would describe as drunk, just an ignorant bollix would be a better way to describe that person, so your argument to ban the sale of alcohol in the stadium just doesn't add up.
Quote from: Pangurban on August 01, 2010, 07:54:51 PM
Disappointing response from you Mournerambler, i think you need to catch a grip, or are you happy to witness drunken louts misbehaving in our stadiums.
No, its you that needs to catch a grip.
The solution is better stewarding, not stopping the sale of alcohol in the stadium.
The stewards and Gardai are woeful - if they were any good then a finger would not have been laid on Martin Sludden a couple of weeks back. Instead of trying to guard a 300+ metre pitch perimeter, all they had to do was guard a 5 metre zone around the referee. But they are too stupid and lazy to bother.
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
He was sitting half way up the section, in his early 20s wearing a number 13 Tyrone shirt. He came in pissed out of the head with a pint in his hand a bottle of vodka in the back pocket. Stewards mede him leave with his pint, then he got back in.
There were Dublin fans in front of him and behind him. When Tyrone scored he would turn to the man behind him and roar in his face. When Dublin scored he roard "c%nts" into the Dublin fans faces. He roared at the man behind him "you Dublin c%nt, Ill f%%king bust you" and I thought he was going to hit him, then the man and a few men behind all stood up and he sat down. He roared abuse all day at the family in front, which included young children, and they were genuinely afraid. At one point he had his shirt off and was waving Tyrone shirt in the air.
Never witnessed such a thug at a match in my life, it was shocking, im sure quite a few people on here noticed him as he was getting a lot of attention.
I ssen a tyrone man with 13 on back, had ear-ring (shite lookin) fightin on street with sum fella,think there was a bitta slabberin then tyrone man man went for him but other fella didnt want to fight,but the sc**bag kept chasing him.Eventually few other tyronies dragged him away,though he kept shoutin abuse.This all happened just outside Quinns in full view of traffic which wasnt movin.Not pretty.
Quote from: ApresMatch on August 01, 2010, 08:33:06 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
He was sitting half way up the section, in his early 20s wearing a number 13 Tyrone shirt. He came in pissed out of the head with a pint in his hand a bottle of vodka in the back pocket. Stewards mede him leave with his pint, then he got back in.
There were Dublin fans in front of him and behind him. When Tyrone scored he would turn to the man behind him and roar in his face. When Dublin scored he roard "c%nts" into the Dublin fans faces. He roared at the man behind him "you Dublin c%nt, Ill f%%king bust you" and I thought he was going to hit him, then the man and a few men behind all stood up and he sat down. He roared abuse all day at the family in front, which included young children, and they were genuinely afraid. At one point he had his shirt off and was waving Tyrone shirt in the air.
Never witnessed such a thug at a match in my life, it was shocking, im sure quite a few people on here noticed him as he was getting a lot of attention.
I ssen a tyrone man with 13 on back, had ear-ring (shite lookin) fightin on street with sum fella,think there was a bitta slabberin then tyrone man man went for him but other fella didnt want to fight,but the sc**bag kept chasing him.Eventually few other tyronies dragged him away,though he kept shoutin abuse.This all happened just outside Quinns in full view of traffic which wasnt movin.Not pretty.
Would have expected more from Martin Penrose ;)
Quote from: mournerambler on August 01, 2010, 08:37:09 PM
Would have expected more from Martin Penrose ;)
Ha Ha lovin it. Very funny.
Taking of fun, is Pat the Puke's prog on tonight and at what time? I make a pont of aviding it but tonight's could be fun
Down were well deserving winners yesterday and I'm not too shocked that they did, but if was a Down man I would not be getting carried away. Beating Kerry could have been their All Ireland final for them. In the last few years teams like Monaghan, Sligo and Longford have like Down had the chance to put away Kerry in championship games when the Kingdom have been vulnerable. Only Down have the lack of fear of the green and gold to fully put them away when other teams except maybe Tyrone and Cork can't.
Kerry looked ill disciplined yesterday and lacked leadership. Down commanded the pitch for around two thirds of the game and buried them in the last 15. The forward line is as strong as any in Ireland but midfield and defence are a bit suspect. McVeigh did well with two good stops to deny Kerry getting one foot back in the door in the second half. If Down really want to go all the way they will need to stay alert for the 70 minutes and chalk up a big half time lead against Kildare or the win against Kerry will be the only positive to take from this year. Everything clicked yesterday, the same might not happen against Kildare when you don't have an underdog tag.
Marty Clarke and Benny coulter were spotted in corrigan's pharmacy in malahide this morning. Marty picked up some Goldwell trendline shine spray, telling the attendant 'it's the only one that really adds glimmer right to the roots'. He offered a 100 AUD note, and after some frantic calculating by the shopkeeper, another 150 AUD was tendered.
Benny had a lively discussion with the hair consultant, before leaving with a red tweed bucket hat.
Quote from: fingerbob on August 01, 2010, 01:29:17 PM
Is it not a bit presumptious to assume kerry would have scored the disallowed "goal", considering the whole Down defence stopped and McVeigh stood with his hands in the air. The whistle was blown a good bit before he struck the ball.
Not only that but it should have been disallowed for the 7 or 8 steps your man took anyway. Definitely should have been disallowed but for the steps more than the handpass...
Quote from: John Martin on August 01, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 01, 2010, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
He was sitting half way up the section, in his early 20s wearing a number 13 Tyrone shirt. He came in pissed out of the head with a pint in his hand a bottle of vodka in the back pocket. Stewards mede him leave with his pint, then he got back in.
There were Dublin fans in front of him and behind him. When Tyrone scored he would turn to the man behind him and roar in his face. When Dublin scored he roard "c%nts" into the Dublin fans faces. He roared at the man behind him "you Dublin c%nt, Ill f%%king bust you" and I thought he was going to hit him, then the man and a few men behind all stood up and he sat down. He roared abuse all day at the family in front, which included young children, and they were genuinely afraid. At one point he had his shirt off and was waving Tyrone shirt in the air.
Never witnessed such a thug at a match in my life, it was shocking, im sure quite a few people on here noticed him as he was getting a lot of attention.
Quote from: John Martin on August 01, 2010, 02:41:11 PM
I was in 329. What was this Tyrone lad up to?
And you missed all that? Idiot. No doubt you were as blocked as this Tyrone fella.
Idiot? That's a little bit harsh, we can't all be in Mensa you know.
Are you not in Dublin for the minor match today?
Some of us have jobs that don't involve heading home at 3 30 in the afternoon Monday to Friday and getting the entire Summer off.
I really cant believe that a thread about Down's biggest achievement in nearly 20 years has turned into a discussion about some drunken tool from Tyrone :-\
Quote from: 45 metres on August 01, 2010, 09:10:33 PM
In the last few years teams like Monaghan, Sligo and Longford have like Down had the chance to put away Kerry in championship games when the Kingdom have been vulnerable. Only Down have the lack of fear of the green and gold to fully put them away when other teams except maybe Tyrone and Cork can't.
"Teams like Monaghan" weren't playing the team that Kerry had out yesterday.
Do any off you lads defending the sale and abuse of alcohol in Croker or any other stadium, ever engage your Brains, before you start tapping on your Key-Boards. Some off the responses here defy reason. Ignoring Wobblers abusive jibe about being narrow minded, if he thinks his view represents the majority of GAA supporters, he is self deluded. As for Stewards being responsible for maintaining order, with a drunken element that is a recipe for a riot, not even an immature child would suggest such a remedy. The simple fact is that alcohol has no place in GAA grounds, before or during Games. If a persons need for Alcohol is so great that he cannot abstain for a couple of Hours, then he should go to a Pub and watch the game on TV, not inflict himself on the real GAA majority who attend for the Football
Quote from: Pangurban on August 02, 2010, 12:58:48 AM
Do any off you lads defending the sale and abuse of alcohol in Croker or any other stadium, ever engage your Brains, before you start tapping on your Key-Boards. Some off the responses here defy reason. Ignoring Wobblers abusive jibe about being narrow minded, if he thinks his view represents the majority of GAA supporters, he is self deluded. As for Stewards being responsible for maintaining order, with a drunken element that is a recipe for a riot, not even an immature child would suggest such a remedy. The simple fact is that alcohol has no place in GAA grounds, before or during Games. If a persons need for Alcohol is so great that he cannot abstain for a couple of Hours, then he should go to a Pub and watch the game on TV, not inflict himself on the real GAA majority who attend for the Football
And thereby deny normal living patrons who enjoy a jar or two in a social setting. My right to have a pint at Croker is as lawful and morally sound as your right to not partake of a drink. It is the implementation of decent stewardship combined with the louts who go overboard that causes the problem. The idiots who disrupt the atmosphere for the rest of us - believe me they arent shelling out for over priced drink in Croke park and subsequently causing trouble, rather I'd wager (if wagering is ok with you) that they are getting pretty drunk before they come near the stadium.
Then they should be refused admission. I am not anti-alcohol, but i do believe there is a time and place for it, and a sports stadium is not the place, particularly one frequented by families and young children. We have a serious problem with alcohol in society generally and all sports bodies should doing what little they can to eradicate it. You claim to have a right too have a Pint in Croker, i would contest that. Do i have a right too have a Smoke in Croker, of course not, nor should i.
The effects caused by second hand smoke are much more pronounced and documented, not to mention they exist from the first smoke. I could have a pint right beside you and it wouldnt in any way affect your enjoyment of the day/game/situation. You'd only have cause for complaint if my behaviour changed in any way. It'd be like if I was eating myself to death with hang sandwiches in the seat next to you. Should'nt bother you in the slightest. You couldnt say the same if I was smoking in the seat next to you.
That is not even close to being a direct comparison.
Jack O Connor must be the most ungracious manager in defeat in the whole country
Quote from: bcarrier on July 26, 2010, 10:24:56 AM
Feck it Ive changed my mind ...Down ( and Dubs) to win on end of an era Saturday. That is a significantly weaker Kerry team than last year. Kealy , OMahony, Quirke, Walsh, Darran and Sheehan are well behind Murphy,Tomas, Darragh, Kennelly, Galvin and Tommy Walsh in my estimation.
B McVeigh B Kealy Adv Down
D McCartan B Sheehan (capt) No Adv
D Gordon K Donaghy No Adv ( on Stars 2010 form)
D Rafferty C Cooper Adv Kerry
D Rooney D Walsh No Adv
C Garvey Declan O'Sullivan Adv Kerry
K McKernan Darran O'Sullivan Adv Kerry
A Rodgers S Scanlon Adv Down
K King M Quirke No Adv
D Hughes K Young No Adv
M Poland M McCarthy Adv Kerry
P McComiskey A O'Mahony Adv Down ( boy wonder finds form)
B Coulter T O'Sullivan Adv Down
J Clarke T Griffin Adv Kerry
M Clarke M Ó Sé Adv Down
Feck it I'm some pundit :P
For me the big over achievers for Down on the day were McKernan and Poland . Garvey also did a great job on O'sullivan albeit that Declan may have been carrying an ankle injury .
I dont agree with the Quirke bashing on here either ...he got turned over for a few balls early on but Kerry won ten kickouts in a row between 15 and 25 minutes and it was only after he fell heavily on his shoulder that he was taken off and Down got a grip in midfield again. Down should be worried about that phase of the game - Kildare have a big hungry middle eight and it will be a right scrap for the ball.
McKernan had an unbelievable match. All three half backs looked happy to play anywhere along and up the line and all have pace and good engines. Poland played like a young Brian McGuigan and McComiskey delivered on the underage promise. Coulter and Hughes can play better than this so there is some scope for a few of our stars on Saturday having less productive days.
Down won the battle on the line .... Kerry looked like a team that made no specific preparations for exploiting Down weaknesses. Jack O' Connor has in the past been a master at this . The high balls in Gooch in the Mayo AIF, and last years move of D'OS to edge of square against Dubs come to mind. Down got the match ups around the field they wanted . McGeeney will come up with a plan to give our defenders more to think about.
Hopefully Down can build on this...for now we have finally won a championship match in the rain and at the new Croke Park . As always Kerry gracious in defeat . I Hope Humphries is right ....
With the grace and class that has been their hallmark Kerry shook hands with the conquerors and vanished from the stage. They won't be gone for long. If Down are still centre stage when they return it will be a splendid rivalry to behold.http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0802/1224276043074.html
Very well done Down. I was below in Cahirciveen watching the game with the outlaws, and the consensus was that a) Down have a tidy team, especially in the forwards, and b) that Kerry are gone for a while.
I'm not sure about b), but I do think that they are certainly going to be in a retooling phase for a couple of years. Now is Cork's moment to take control down south. As for a) though, I think that's a certainty. I'm not sure if ye are cynical or cute enough, but ye certainly have the forwards, and ye dominated around the middle for probably 50 of the 70 minutes at least.
Great to see the red and black back winning matches in Croker, and now I hope the Offaly bucks are looking at that and thinking to themselves that they should be able to compete as well on any given day.
Quote from: Pangurban on August 02, 2010, 03:09:00 AM
Then they should be refused admission. I am not anti-alcohol, but i do believe there is a time and place for it, and a sports stadium is not the place, particularly one frequented by families and young children. We have a serious problem with alcohol in society generally and all sports bodies should doing what little they can to eradicate it. You claim to have a right too have a Pint in Croker, i would contest that. Do i have a right too have a Smoke in Croker, of course not, nor should i.
I hope you wern't sitting up to the wee small hours & secretly consuming the devil's buttermilk :o
i havent stopped smiling since 3.30 sat. I admit to leaving after the down gme to go out for a couple of pints to calm the nerves actually watched first half of Dubs Tyr out on upper hogan on tv. Never done that before. One thing i couldnt understand though was amount of people in Tyrone and Dub jerseys watching the tv also. They paid 35 euros in to croker to have a pint and watch the match.
I did go in for second half though.
Was a sound man from Kerry behind us and he was very gracious in defeat wishing us all the best, as the majortiy of GAA fans do.
Alcohol should be sold in Croker. I go to a lot of premiership and champions league games and everyone is searched going in to games would hate to see this happen at croke. Surely someone who is locked should not be allowed in. Always a small minority of foul mouthed scumbags who were dragged up that ruin it for the majority, and they are not just tyrone fans either we all have them unfortunately. Stewards in croker are useless.
on the game Down were fantastic. all over the pitch. didnt expect it or see it coming. Well done lads. Pity we have to wait a month for the semi.
I suppose i will have my feet back on the ground by then.
As for Kerry you have been great champions and all gracious in defeat apart from maybe Jack O Connor. Im sure you will be back next year.
Congrats to Down. Been away on hols and didn't get a look in here, just read a few pages - Inidana, you really do know nothing about football. :D unfortunately it'll probably not stop you pontificating on the ills of every county in the land.
Was Colgan dropped or injured?
Quote from: Pangurban on August 02, 2010, 12:58:48 AM
Do any off you lads defending the sale and abuse of alcohol in Croker or any other stadium, ever engage your Brains, before you start tapping on your Key-Boards. Some off the responses here defy reason. Ignoring Wobblers abusive jibe about being narrow minded, if he thinks his view represents the majority of GAA supporters, he is self deluded. As for Stewards being responsible for maintaining order, with a drunken element that is a recipe for a riot, not even an immature child would suggest such a remedy. The simple fact is that alcohol has no place in GAA grounds, before or during Games. If a persons need for Alcohol is so great that he cannot abstain for a couple of Hours, then he should go to a Pub and watch the game on TV, not inflict himself on the real GAA majority who attend for the Football
I am not much of a drinker, I had 2 pints after the Down v Kerry game. The bar area at the back of the Cusack was busy, some great banter and I bumped into a lad I havent seen for nearly 20 years. We had great craic catching up, I found out a biit of news on people I hadnt seen in donkeys years and we shook hands promising to keep in touch. I missed the start of the Dublin game, had another pint at half time and ended up in the handball club at the back of the hill for a few celebratory pints afterwards. I and no one in my company caused any problems, we were good humoured, we sang, we enjoyed our day and we got home safely and in time for the 9 o`clock news on RTE. The only idiot we encountered was a Tyrone supporter with a bodhran who was moved by the stewards, I dont know wether drink was a factor or not.
Drink is not a problem for the vast majority at our games. Their problems should not mean the end to a good day out for the rest of us. I can take or leave my few pints and had I been driving at the weekend I wouldnt have missed the few pints.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 01, 2010, 10:41:18 PM
I really cant believe that a thread about Down's biggest achievement in nearly 20 years has turned into a discussion about some drunken tool from Tyrone :-\
Enough about Mickey Harte, well done Down and the Dubs.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 02, 2010, 12:16:32 PM
Congrats to Down. Been away on hols and didn't get a look in here, just read a few pages - Inidana, you really do know nothing about football. :D unfortunately it'll probably not stop you pontificating on the ills of every county in the land.
Was Colgan dropped or injured?
He was substituted after a bad start in Tullamore and has not started since.
Quote from: John Martin on August 02, 2010, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 02, 2010, 12:16:32 PM
Congrats to Down. Been away on hols and didn't get a look in here, just read a few pages - Inidana, you really do know nothing about football. :D unfortunately it'll probably not stop you pontificating on the ills of every county in the land.
Was Colgan dropped or injured?
He was substituted after a bad start in Tullamore and has not started since.
According to that great GAA newspaper that is 'Sunday Life' he played at number 6 & I quote, "simply outstanding, making countless interceptions & was the launch pad for many of his team's attacks"
Jasus you would think they could have at least read the program to see that it was indeed Kevin McKernan at CHB, who for me was MOTM.
Did any of yous say to yourselves when Ambrose landed the 45 , "Jaysus anything could happen here today " ;D
Quote from: downredblack on August 02, 2010, 01:26:39 PM
Did any of yous say to yourselves when Ambrose landed the 45 , "Jaysus anything could happen here today " ;D
some massive points taken by down and that was the first of them alright, you dont see many like that with a wet ball...kerry werent enjoying the conditions as much as down and it was from there i was starting to think the same myself
Indo on Saturday morning - POR calls it!!!
Paddy O'Rourke picks up the chorus and tosses it into the garbage. "You have to live in the real world," he counsels. People have been talking about history this week as if it's about to prove some kind of magical firewall for Down footballers. Imagine, they have never lost a senior championship game to Kerry. It's like identifying a breed of hare that's never fallen foul of a fox.
Except, Paddy doesn't buy it.
The story here, he reckons, isn't one of history so much as distance. Paddy fancies Down to blow the football championship wide open in Croke Park today, but not because the experience of old men like Kevin Mussen, Sean O'Neill, Paddy Doherty or the McCartans was a uniformly happy one against the Kingdom.
And certainly not because the side he himself led to the Sam Maguire in '91 managed to uphold the county's 100pc record against Kerry with a semi-final victory.
Paddy believes that Down can make it five championship wins out of five against Gaelic football's Rockefellers because, as he puts it, "I've no doubt that now is the time to get them. If Kerry are going to be caught, it'll be this weekend."
There has maybe been a tendency this week to take the mascara and eye pencil to this business of Kerry and Down.
UNIQUE
It's been tarted up into something it quite palpably isn't. Yet, through the prism of history, it holds unique status in Gaelic football.
So why pass the opportunity of a drum roll?
For the only other counties with unblemished championship figures against Kerry are the small handful that have never played them.
You could, too, draw parallel lines between the discomfort that great Down team of the 60s visited upon Kerry with the wretched itch Tyrone now seem to inflict upon Jack O'Connor's boys. Something deep within the Kerry DNA has Ulster football parcelled as some kind of unscrupulously modified product.
Mick O'Dwyer went to print with an unambiguous view that the Down team that won three All-Irelands in the 60s, beating Kerry in two finals, "could be quite cynical when it came to fouling, especially outside the scoring range".
O'Dwyer stresses in his autobiography, 'Blessed and Obsessed', that he is "not accusing Down of being ruthless hit-men who thumped their way to glory". He does argue, however, that "they brought a cynical edge to their play which was difficult to counteract".
Kerry's distaste for that edge was easily soothed by the natural feel-good factor of Down becoming the first team to bring Sam Maguire north of the border in 1960. Yet, they believed they had been "bullied" out of that game too, and, by the time red and black ribbons were dangling from Sam for a third time in '68, Kerry had become thoroughly sick of the sight of those colours.
Actually, there is a thread running through O'Dwyer's reflections on that period that seems to chart a similar course to O'Connor's observations on Tyrone in his book, 'Keys to the Kingdom'.
"There's an arrogance to northern football which rubs Kerry people up the wrong way," wrote O'Connor. "They're flash and nouveau riche and full of it. Add up the number of All-Ireland titles the Ulster counties have won and it's less than a third of Kerry's total.
"But northern teams advertise themselves well. They talk about how they did it, they go on and on about this theory and that practice as if they'd just split the atom."
No question, the perfect All-Ireland for Kerry this year would be to beat Tyrone in the September final. Conversely, the nightmare scenario would to be to lose again to Mickey Harte and his "full of it" team. Yet, today offers a kind of alternative Armageddon too.
Imagine getting side-swiped in July by an Ulster county not even touted as contenders?
O'Rourke, previously manager of his native county and now in charge of Armagh, is unequivocal in his belief that today's is a truly treacherous assignment for the All-Ireland champions.
It's not the maths of history, he argues, that Kerry have to fear. It's the gusting energy of a new and vibrant team.
"I don't think you let your mind go there," he says of Down's unique record against the Kingdom. "I don't think that you can afford to. You only look at what you're playing against. And it's always a case of whoever has the best panel of players will win these games.
coincidence
"I think it's just more of a coincidence that Kerry have never beaten Down in the championship. In '91, we had the best panel of players, but there was a lot of other years that, if we had met them in the championship, the score would have been reversed.
"Tradition is one thing. It obviously gives a team some sort of belief going into these games. But will the Down players be fixating on it now?
"Absolutely not. In fact, it's the thing you keep furthest away from because it doesn't have any bearing on it whatsoever. That's really only talk for the supporters and the press. You can only focus on what is relevant at the time and that's who you're playing against, who's picking up who, and who's going to be able to win the individual battles."
O'Rourke sees Kerry today as a significantly compromised force.
"I actually have a feeling that Kerry won't be in this year's All-Ireland final," he says. "I think they've lost a lot of players and this weekend could be very difficult for them because they've got another two major, major players missing for other reasons.
"No matter what team it is, very few can handle that amount of setbacks. While Kerry have a lot of talented players, they are greatly weakened from the team that played in last year's All-Ireland final."
Certainly, that absence through suspension of Tomas O Se and Paul Galvin gives this fixture a sheen of opportunity for Down. With the likes of Diarmuid Murphy, Darragh O Se, Tadhg Kennelly and Tommy Walsh already pared from last year's All-Ireland-winning team, O'Connor is compelled to shuffle the deck like a man running low on funds.
Yet John Evans, the Kerry football evangelist currently in charge of Tipperary, suspects that people are underestimating the calibre of champion going to war here. He certainly dismisses any suggestions of complacency.
"There's no danger of that, none whatsoever," argues Evans. "I say that for one reason and one reason only. This team is too experienced to do presumption. It is too experienced to do complacency. They're a self-motivating bunch of lads. I just don't see it happening. I don't see it as an issue.
"My view is that Kerry will be in the semi-finals, but I expect Down to give them a right good game. I say that on the basis of the pace and enthusiasm of this young Down team. And they know that Kerry will play football with them.
"But, with all due respects to Down, I think they're still in the development stage. We (Tipperary) have met them a couple of times and James McCartan is doing a wonderful, wonderful job.
"But they're in transition. They're young and they're physically not as strong as Kerry.
"In saying that, I do think they're going to give Kerry a very good game, particularly in the first 40 minutes. And, if things go right for them, who knows? Because the last thing that Kerry need is a fast-moving, vibrant team. And Down are that."
Evans' Tipperary were well beaten by Kerry in the Munster championship when, despite Tipp getting an early run on them, the Kingdom eased through without the merest flicker of panic.
He is also in agreement with O'Rourke that to focus on history here is, essentially, to buy into false profit.
"It is a unique record," he agrees of Down's unbeaten championship status against the Kingdom. "But, look, I don't see too much of an angle from that side. What I see is that Kerry are resilient and I don't think the Down backs are experienced enough for the Kerry forwards.
"Now, at the same time, I think the Down forwards will give the Kerry backs plenty to do. But from the point of view of physicality and experience, they're still in development."
Coming from Division 2 and having been evicted at an early stage from the Ulster championship, it is easy to see why Down's ability to cope with the whitest heat might now be questioned. Under both O'Rourke and his successor, Ross Carr, they struggled to marry pragmatic, hard-nosed defence to often swashbuckling attack.
Yet, O'Rourke believes that James McCartan may be close to striking that balance now.
"They've an awful lot of talent, a lot of very good footballers, players that would get on any side," he says of this Down team. There's a huge amount of energy about them and they have very good forwards. They've been putting up big, big scores from their first game in the National League.
"And they've continued to do that as they showed again last Saturday (against Sligo). The question always is, 'can they keep the door closed at the other end?' I think they have shown over the last six months that they've got a lot better at doing that. They're reasonably solid at the back now.
"There's been big changes, the whole half-back line is different. I think the changes have helped them and they aren't that far away now. They're going to be very hard to beat.
"I certainly don't see this game as anywhere near as predictable as some people seem to think."
And Down as serious contenders for Sam if they evict the Kingdom?
"Absolutely," says O'Rourke. "Beat Kerry and anything can happen. Anything!"
- Vincent Hogan
Irish Independent
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 31, 2010, 11:28:42 PM
Indiana
Cosmo Kramer
bcarrier
blanketattack
Shawshank
Allofasludden
rrhf
hardstation
Frank Casey
Will Hunting
Deacon Blue
I don't like to gloat....but I'm afraid I have to this time...whats it like to see a team that you have ridiculed beat the best team in Ireland by a mile
The Aristocrats are back....
I'm feeling all left our 5Sams!! I'm giving up predicting matches.
Brilliant performance by Down, completely outplayed Kerry who didn't realise unitl 15 mins were gone that they weren't going to win this game by simply turning up. Poor attitude from Kerry all round summed up by a cynical nasty performance from the so called "Star" capped by the worst dive you'll see for the penalty and the bile that came from the mouth of Jack O'Connor >:(
Humble apologies Quinn Martin....I hope you will be tipping the Lilywhites ;)
As a Tyrone fan I thoroughly enjoyed the Down game, as a team they have learnt an awful lot since the Tyrone game.
McKernan was outstanding at centre half back. He knew went to sit back and when to push up and was very assured on the ball. He looks a better option than Colgan in that role who seems a bit one paced and too keen to sit back all the time.
Kallum King is an unsung hero for Down, in the few games I have saw Down play he has put in a massive shift and every team needs a player like that.
Poland and Coulter were excellent in attack with Coulter exhibiting his full range of skills.
Marty Clarke is some player, reminds me of Brian McGuigan. The Down fans always expect him to something extraordinary every time he gets the ball but more crucially what he does is the right thing 99% of them time. Some times just getting on the ball and making the simple pass or bringing someone else into the play may not seem that spectacular but its absolutely vital.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 02, 2010, 01:54:01 PM
Humble apologies Quinn Martin....I hope you will be tipping the Lilywhites ;)
Thon Johnny Doyle will tear yous apart...how's that for a start. Seriously hope Down can go all the way, played beautifully on Sat.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 02, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 31, 2010, 11:28:42 PM
Indiana
Cosmo Kramer
bcarrier
blanketattack
Shawshank
Allofasludden
rrhf
hardstation
Frank Casey
Will Hunting
Deacon Blue
I don't like to gloat....but I'm afraid I have to this time...whats it like to see a team that you have ridiculed beat the best team in Ireland by a mile
The Aristocrats are back....
You can apologise to me while you are at it 5 Sams. I direct you to my post at 10:02 above. ;).
Just noticed this post from a Mr T Fearon on facebook on "the championship page".
I'll also answer Tommy's question. Down are a mediocre team,and a mediocre team was all that was required to beat Kerry (missing half their team and lacking in hunger) on Saturday. On the other hand if Down beat Kildare then I will revise that opinion, but they will not do that by continuing to emulate Mickey Harte's tactics, which failed Tyrone last Saturday as well.
I'd say his joy at seeing Tyrone beaten has been somewhat ruined by Down's victory. :D
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 01, 2010, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: 45 metres on August 01, 2010, 09:10:33 PM
In the last few years teams like Monaghan, Sligo and Longford have like Down had the chance to put away Kerry in championship games when the Kingdom have been vulnerable. Only Down have the lack of fear of the green and gold to fully put them away when other teams except maybe Tyrone and Cork can't.
"Teams like Monaghan" weren't playing the team that Kerry had out yesterday.
Maguire01, get over yourself. As has been pointed out, teams change and it was 15 players against 15 players.There was no talk like this when Kerry beat Cork ( the AI favourites) 2 months ago. If Galvin and O'Se break the rules they take the consequences- footballers understand this. As for retirements etc, as someone said it would have been nice to have Mickey Linden, Paddy Doherty and Sean O'Neill on Saturday but like Darragh O'Se, they've retired.
As for your earlier observation on the predictability of this, I suggest you read the posts on this thread from 5Sams,the wobbler,Pangurban, Dodgy Umpire,DownFanatic ,In the Onion Bag and myself among others. People who follow their team can see things that computer based posters don't - and BTW don't worry about my Euro balance-it's healthy.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 02, 2010, 01:54:01 PM
Humble apologies Quinn Martin....I hope you will be tipping the Lilywhites ;)
Its ok 5 Sams we beat the team of the decade. You only beat the reigning all- ireland champions. So you won't mind if I smile a bit will you?
Down lost a player to aussie rules this year too!
Quote from: stiffler on August 02, 2010, 10:18:52 PM
Down lost a player to aussie rules this year too!
Who recently got promoted from the rookie list to the seniors!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-promote-irish-rookie/story-e6frf9jf-1225895004477
Kerry out again-so soon!! Just when we were coming to de-throne you! Could not last the pace!!!
Quote from: boo_yaa on August 03, 2010, 11:04:33 AM
Kerry out again-so soon!! Just when we were coming to de-throne you! Could not last the pace!!!
Are you for real? In the name of Jaysus.
deadly serious-they knew we were re-emerging and shat themselves at the prospect!!
It will be a long long time before they are back!! Kerry are gone, Dublin are here.............yerra!!!!!
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 11:07:14 AM
Quote from: boo_yaa on August 03, 2010, 11:04:33 AM
Kerry out again-so soon!! Just when we were coming to de-throne you! Could not last the pace!!!
Are you for real? In the name of Jaysus.
Don't mind this lad.
Just another wum.
Quote from: boo_yaa on August 03, 2010, 11:09:24 AM
deadly serious-they knew we were re-emerging and shat themselves at the prospect!!
It will be a long long time before they are back!! Kerry are gone, Dublin are here.............yerra!!!!!
you had your chance last year against the mighty Kingdom.
Eh think they hammered you.
Id say your one of the deserters now back for the semi final.
I have really enjoyed this thread esp in the lead up to the match but I was pleased yesterday when it disappeared off the 1st page.
To me that signalled a typical Down / Kerry mutual respect - each of us had said our piece, the ashes of the game had been well raked over and it was time to move on.
I know this post defeats my purpose but I suggest the graceful thing to do now is to stop further posts and let this thread die a dignified death. Esp when we are now getting a Dublin rapscallion on mixing it, totally out of character with all the super happy Dub fans I met at the match and later when Sat night became Sun morning).
Congrats Down , outplayed us on the day and when a few injuries and the bits of luck ran against us on the day we were fighting an unstoppable tide, it was a good day to catch us but thats sport for you, you win some and you lose some, we cant complain we have had a great time of it since 1997 with 6 All Irelands.
I'll have a moan about Kerry some other time in the long winter nights but wont piss on Down's parade today.
Of the 4 teams left I really hope Down can add a 6th title to their record. Hope all the Down lads here enjoyed the day.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2010, 10:22:25 PM
Congrats Down , outplayed us on the day and when a few injuries and the bits of luck ran against us on the day we were fighting an unstoppable tide, it was a good day to catch us bur thats sport for you, you win some and you lose some, we cant complain we have had a great time of it since 1997 with 6 All Irelands.
I'll have a moan about Kerry some other time in the long winter night but wont piss on Down's parade today.
Of the 4 teams left I really hope Down can add a 6th title to their record. Hope all the Down lads here enjoyed the day.
fair play lad, well said
Winning with a bit of grace is easy, its biting the lip and accepting your lot when you lose is the difficult thing sometimes, but thats sport.
Can any of the Kerry lads tell me what has become of Paddy Curran, that impressive Kerry minor of 2006.?
he's had a few bad injuries recently, hopefully he will get back to his potential
enjoyed this thread
some good debates....some eejits
down were the hungrier team and wanted the win more than kerry
but every dog has its day
enjoyed seeing us pitted against Kerry at HQ.
NOW LOOKING FORWARD TO KILDARE
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 03, 2010, 11:25:06 PM
Can any of the Kerry lads tell me what has become of Paddy Curran, that impressive Kerry minor of 2006.?
Paddy is recovering from his second cruciate injury.
Have been quiet for the last couple of days.
Well done the men of Mourne. No complaints, out played, out foxed and out scored. Keep your record up and win the auld canister now.
It's gas reading back through this man's old posts when you see some of the knee jerk, stone wall certain "i'm well connected in county x" analysis. some of his articulations on McGeeney are a comedy sketch on their own, but i thought the pre down / kerry game was a new high for Indi boy...
Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
More chance of Roscommon winning the all ireland then Down beating Kerry. Who have Down beaten?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 08:21:36 PM
self delusion is truly a wonderful thing. Down have 2 players Kerry would want and Down think this is a game they can win? Lets be very clear about this. This is not a game Down can win.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 09:13:24 PM
Down are tier 2. Tomorrow they are playing a tier one side and will lose. By 7-8 points in my view. It doesn't take much for down fans to lose the run of themselves. Big wins over Sligo mean nothing at this level.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 09:37:33 PM
You couldn't beat armagh in CP this year. Having seen how poor armagh are I know who my money is on tomorrow. Kerry will be more up for this game then people realise having never beaten Down before. I don't think people realise at times how good this kerry side are. The clap trap emanating from the North is that because they haven't beaten tyrone (yet) that their legacy is somehow tarnished.The fact is tyrone have lost to teams in the championship kerry wouldn't lose to if they tried
When the shit hits the fan there is no side in the country better at digging a result out.
Down have had a decent year and have a good manager in my view. But the gap between tier one and two is grand canyon esque in my opinion.
He's one of the very few posters on this board with an almost perfect record of match predictions -- almost 100% wrong, every time :D
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2010, 11:39:40 PM
he's had a few bad injuries recently, hopefully he will get back to his potential
Brilliant minor. Great skill and brave.
That was a very enjoyable game. Down were full of craft & graft and nothing dilutes them thoroughly deserving of their resounding win.
5 sams supported yes all the way and will continue to do so. Good luck in the final.
Was away on holidays so I didnt have any web access this last few days but fair play to Down. Best wishes for the rest of the championship. Ye were better in all areas of the field last sat. We'll not have any complaints other than the long break since the MF is a disaster. Down were much sharper and I knew as soon as they had got the goal and a couple of points very early that we were up against it. Missing players of calibre of Kennelly, Darragh Tomas, Galvin, Murphy and Walsh is too much to bear for any team.
Anyway - its great to look on at the latter stages of the championship for a change without all the worries of 'can we do it', 'hope no key players get injured', 'where the fcuk am I going to get an AIF ticket?', 'expensive trips to Dublin' , 'Buckets of drink'. etc etc.
Best wishes to Down and yes I do agree that it is probably good for football to have new AI champions this year but a review of the whole system is required when none of the provincial finalists make it to the semi stages of the AI series.
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 05, 2010, 11:26:39 PM
Was away on holidays so I didnt have any web access this last few days but fair play to Down. Best wishes for the rest of the championship. Ye were better in all areas of the field last sat. We'll not have any complaints other than the long break since the MF is a disaster. Down were much sharper and I knew as soon as they had got the goal and a couple of points very early that we were up against it. Missing players of calibre of Kennelly, Darragh Tomas, Galvin, Murphy and Walsh is too much to bear for any team.
Anyway - its great to look on at the latter stages of the championship for a change without all the worries of 'can we do it', 'hope no key players get injured', 'where the fcuk am I going to get an AIF ticket?', 'expensive trips to Dublin' , 'Buckets of drink'. etc etc.
Best wishes to Down and yes I do agree that it is probably good for football to have new AI champions this year but a review of the whole system is required when none of the provincial finalists make it to the semi stages of the AI series.
Nice words ctk and fair balls but I have to say that I don't think you can call Kennelly, Darragh, Murphy and Walsh
missing. They are not a part of the set up. If it was through injury or suspension then fair enough but if they are not there through their own choice then that's just life. That's all a natural part of the game.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 05, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 05, 2010, 11:26:39 PM
Was away on holidays so I didnt have any web access this last few days but fair play to Down. Best wishes for the rest of the championship. Ye were better in all areas of the field last sat. We'll not have any complaints other than the long break since the MF is a disaster. Down were much sharper and I knew as soon as they had got the goal and a couple of points very early that we were up against it. Missing players of calibre of Kennelly, Darragh Tomas, Galvin, Murphy and Walsh is too much to bear for any team.
Anyway - its great to look on at the latter stages of the championship for a change without all the worries of 'can we do it', 'hope no key players get injured', 'where the fcuk am I going to get an AIF ticket?', 'expensive trips to Dublin' , 'Buckets of drink'. etc etc.
Best wishes to Down and yes I do agree that it is probably good for football to have new AI champions this year but a review of the whole system is required when none of the provincial finalists make it to the semi stages of the AI series.
Nice words ctk and fair balls but I have to say that I don't think you can call Kennelly, Darragh, Murphy and Walsh missing. They are not a part of the set up. If it was through injury or suspension then fair enough but if they are not there through their own choice then that's just life. That's all a natural part of the game.
Ok, they are not part of the set up - they retired or went onto greener fields. The point I'm making is that any team that is without over a third of their previous years top stars is bound to suffer. Thats all I'm saying and thats life I guess. We've had a deadly good run since 1997 and fond memories to go with them. Ciarria Abu.
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 06, 2010, 12:13:02 AM
Ok, they are not part of the set up - they retired or went onto greener fields. The point I'm making is that any team that is without over a third of their previous years top stars is bound to suffer. Thats all I'm saying and thats life I guess. We've had a deadly good run since 1997 and fond memories to go with them. Ciarria Abu.
Ye had a few set backs since 1997 and still came out on top overall. I wouldn't worry too much just yet.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 06, 2010, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 06, 2010, 12:13:02 AM
Ok, they are not part of the set up - they retired or went onto greener fields. The point I'm making is that any team that is without over a third of their previous years top stars is bound to suffer. Thats all I'm saying and thats life I guess. We've had a deadly good run since 1997 and fond memories to go with them. Ciarria Abu.
Ye had a few set backs since 1997 and still came out on top overall. I wouldn't worry too much just yet.
Christ, being patronized by Tyronemen now. Whats the world coming to.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2010, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on August 06, 2010, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 06, 2010, 12:13:02 AM
Ok, they are not part of the set up - they retired or went onto greener fields. The point I'm making is that any team that is without over a third of their previous years top stars is bound to suffer. Thats all I'm saying and thats life I guess. We've had a deadly good run since 1997 and fond memories to go with them. Ciarria Abu.
Ye had a few set backs since 1997 and still came out on top overall, almost. I wouldn't worry too much just yet.
Christ, being patronized by Tyronemen now. Whats the world coming to.
Fixed that for you, both! ;)
I know this is slightly of subject but thought someone on this board would know
What were the teams lined out for down in the all ireland finals in 1991 and 1994?
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on August 06, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
I know this is slightly of subject but thought someone on this board would know
What were the teams lined out for down in the all ireland finals in 1991 and 1994?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/Profile.aspx
Quote from: ross matt on August 04, 2010, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2010, 11:39:40 PM
he's had a few bad injuries recently, hopefully he will get back to his potential
Brilliant minor. Great skill and brave.
He did a stint over in NY too if I'm not mistaken
The Irish Times - Saturday, August 7, 2010
Kerry, can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em
Yes, they've won enough, but now they've gone to that mythical part of the Kingdom populated by serial All-Ireland winners, something's missing, writes KEITH DUGGAN
I AM missing Kerry.
Never dreamt it would happen but since Down came to Croke Park and gave an exhibition of football splendour they cannot help giving against Kerry, the days afterwards have been filled the kind of void old Winston Churchill used to describe as the Black Dog.
"Are you sure it's not cos Saturday Night with Miriam is finishing up?" one friend asked, concerned.
But no, it wasn't that. It was the sudden absence of Kerry in all of our lives. No more of them green and gold stripes!
No more of those loping runs from right back by Tomás Ó Sé which are all the more unbelievable because it never looks as if the lad is travelling particularly fast but nobody ever catches him.
No more ridiculous points from Colm Cooper or heart-on-sleeve afternoons from Paul Galvin, who always brought a welcome Sex Pistols-type edginess to GAA Sundays.
No more enjoying the fact pundits never quite had the guts to come out and brand Kerry as dirty even though half of them are dying to. No more of those Jack O'Connor grimaces before he answers a question. Sometimes after matches, Jack would listen to a question about the Gooch's groin or Kieran Donaghy's "vision" and he would grimace like Fletcher Christian at the wheel of the Bounty before giving a reply that was often wry and always wise.
Half the craic about Kerry football is not watching them win stuff but listening to them afterwards. They talk about All-Irelands and compare modern footballers with Kerry men from the 1940s and 1930s with such joy and at incredible speeds that is impossible and curmudgeonly not to be happy for them.
There is a touch of the decent amateur thespian in most Kerry men and all of them have acted in a John B Keane play at some point in their lives. They can sometimes be a little businesslike in their soliloquies when they win because they are so used to winning that it doesn't so much give them a hashish blast as maintain the equilibrium. But in defeat they are always unbeatable. Losing is such a shock to the system that they become different men entirely.
Losing a championship match to a Kerry man is like being flung buck naked into Lake Huron to the rest of us. Páidí Ó Sé, on those relatively rare occasions when he had to cope with defeat as Kerry manager, was always at his most reflective and magnificent in the hour afterwards.
Often, his voice was little more than a whisper but his presence combined with the sheer weight of sadness emanating from him was such that if you transported him onto the stage of the Old Vic, he would have given the best incarnation of Hamlet since Larry* himself.
Kerry men always treat the loss of a championship match as something mystical. Losing falls between outright bereavement and rite of passage in their minds. This is partly because the rest of the country behaves as if something monumental has occurred when Kerry get beaten.
And on Saturday afternoon last, it was clear all over Ireland something strange and rare was happening. Down were kicking points at a faster rate than the Kerry men were and with more smoothness and Kerry men everywhere could feel that old Northern hoodoo enveloping them.
So the sky darkened and the crows were restless and at around 3.45pm Michael Lyster, anchor man on the Sunday Game Live , wore the kind of expression not seen on television since Walter Kronkite was tasked with informing America he had some news from Dallas. Everyone was in a state of mild shock that Kerry were, as we say with fatalistic Irish overstatement, "gone".
The immediate temptation is to assume none of these Kerry men will ever be seen again; that they will disappear into whatever parts of Kerry multi-All-Ireland winning Kerry footballers go to.
(I sometimes imagine there to be a secret town in Kerry, locatable only by a map hidden under Bomber Liston's mattress and involving a hazardous trek over the Brandon to a place populated only by Kerry men who have won four or more All-Irelands – excluding substitutes or those won against Mayo – where their mission is to populate the county with future green and gold stars).
Naturally enough on Saturday last, when the press boys ganged around the crestfallen Kerry men, the question of "the future" would have been timidly broached. And they wanted no reflections on the cosmos or the Hadron Collider or that stuff. They wanted only to know if men like Tommy Griffin would be seen in a Kerry shirt again. As ever, the Kerry answers were enigmatic and poetic.
"Man's yesterday will never be like his morrow," Jack O'Connor said. "Nothing endures but mutability."
Come to think of it, it might have been Shelley who said that but it hardly matters: it is just the sort of thing all Kerry people are likely to say when they find themselves freefalling out of the All-Ireland sky.
I have a good friend from Kerry. Everyone in the world has at least one good friend from Kerry: it is unavoidable. The man was supposed to be in Scotland for a few days, cycling across the Highlands. This is typical of the kind of lark that Kerry men get up to when they are not following the football team.
He hoped to get himself so thoroughly lost that he would be non-contactable so it is possible it took a few days for the text messages from other distraught Kerry folk to reach him. I fear for him, cycling through wild terrain in his Stacks shorts and a shirt he swapped with Pa Laide after a trial match in the 1990s. The news might be too much.
He had no idea Kerry would lose. He predicted Down would give his team " a rattle" but he was optimistic the Kingdom would be around in September. After all, they have been around for the last six Septembers. It is likely the cycling was instantly abandoned at the nearest tavern and that even now some helpless Highlanders are hearing about why Ambrose O'Donovan from '86 and Aeroplane O'Shea from '14 were the kind of men you don't meet everyday.
That Dublin went and won just an hour after Kerry went and lost simply adds salt to Kingdom wounds. What is the point of a Dublin renaissance if Kerry aren't waiting for them on the third Sunday of September? Crafty, red-faced men from Sneem or Listowel in Gills pub early enough to get the best seats because, well, they have more experience of the Jones Road at this time of year than the Dubs. Can the Dubs even hope to extract the best from themselves if the green and gold is not there to incite and inspire them? Who knows?
The other day someone admitted out loud they were kind of missing Kerry.
"Why? I demanded sharply. "The b*****ds win enough."
"Dunno," he mumbled, "just do".
He is right. Kerry, man. Can't live with 'em. Can't . . .
*Olivier in this instance, not O'Gorman.
Pointless article. I think most Kerry folk are secretly relieved to get a break from the treadmill. There is no crisis or outpourings of angst down Kingdom way I can assure you.
Does the author of that article know about spell check. If he did, he would have known the man's name was Walter Cronkite, not Kronkite.
He might be missing Kerry, but I'm sure not..
Mrs redandblack4ever
Only got round to watching the Sunday Game today. From what I'd read it seemed had obviously got the handpass call wrong for Kerry's 'goal'. Looking at it seemed he got it right, sideways open-hand strike was made illegal right?
I thought it was illegal looking at it at the time and I still do. If you move your 'holding' hand it's going to look like a throw. The problem is, though, that there was probably 30-40 similar handpasses in the game and only one other (also for a goal) got pulled up.
as this thread comes to an end i would like to thank all the Kerry men for their words of supprt for Down in the Championship ahead.
I for one know the Kingdom will be back next year and i hope for many years to come Down will also be there and that we will meet many more times over the next few years in the championship.
give you a chance to beat us.
best of luck lads.