Can we bounce back in time to overcome a continually improving Kildare side? It will be very tough, it will take a bit to get our boys' heads right after today, and there's a couple of fresh injuries also.
After recent seasons it's also nice to be meeting Leinster opposition in the championship for a change!
Kildare are far more battle hardened this year after their run.
I'll still tip Monaghan as Grimley won't want to lose to Kildare and he'll be under a lot of pressure in Monaghan too, the Monaghan boys will be proud too and want to show they're better than today.
I think they've better forwards also.
Kildare should win this one. Monaghan took a bit of a hiding today, it ll be hard to come back from that one.
can't see any way back for monaghan after today's disaster. All their limitations cruelly shown up. I think Kildare will beat them.
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 06:23:23 PM
Kildare are far more battle hardened this year after their run.
I'll still tip Monaghan as Grimley won't want to lose to Kildare and he'll be under a lot of pressure in Monaghan too, the Monaghan boys will be proud too and want to show they're better than today.
I think they've better forwards also.
They didn't show it today! The big names didn't show up for us today, and they'll definitely need to step it up the next day. Freeman, Finlay and McManus didn't play near what they could(albeit because they weren't allowed), a similar performance against Kildare and it's the Lilywhites into the quarters.
Kildare ain't Tyrone and Monaghan are a damn sight better than Derry
I can't see Monaghan letting themselves down 2 weeks in a row.
Banty'll be huffing and puffing blowing the hinges off the door's before the game and Grimley will have to prove his worth now.
I'd fancy Kildare to dominate the middle third and the Monaghan FB line (minus JP Mone) to come under sustained aerial bombardment.
if monaghan could'nt stop tyrone running at them they deff wont stop kildare doin it. kildare had men running allover celtic park on sat
I don't think Clerkin and Lennon will be dominated easily at all, so I think that'll be a lot closer than you think.
Dessie Moen will go in FB, and while a but rough will have enough experience to shore that up better than most.
A few people writing off Monaghan too soon I think.
Think you are missing the key man here.
Grimley - he was there last year.
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on July 18, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
if monaghan could'nt stop tyrone running at them they deff wont stop kildare doin it. kildare had men running allover celtic park on sat
Monaghan defended well enough against Tyrone for the most part of the game. Tyrone only need to score 10 points in a game :)
Didn't want this draw as even though I witnessed them in person today I don't think Monaghan will play as poorly again, totally devoid of ideas they were
In Kildares favour
- Have won 3 on the trot and unbeaten in 4 championship games
- Full-back line is now settled and performing very well, Peter Kelly will pick up Freeman
- JP Mone will be a big loss for Monaghan, was playing very well until injured today
- Menatally Kildare will be strong and belief will be high conversely 6 days is too short to turn this around mentally for Monaghan, they really believed that they would win that Ulster final
- Smith is back and he is worth at least 4 points to Kildare
- Physically we will be sharp and shouldn't be tired we have beaten 3 poor teams by average of 10 points, very comfortable 2nd halfs
- Kildare play are playing similarly to Tyrone, Monaghan really struggled against that style today..
Not in Kildare's Favour
- Now playing their 5th game in row, people will tell them their tired, believe you are tired and you will play tired
- Monaghan backlash, it will come, probably 1st 20 mins..
- Grimley knows Kildare and Geezer inside out
- Dermot Earley is not 100%, a fit Dermot would dominate Monaghan, Monaghan have a much better midfield than Derry so this battle could be crucial, need Flynn to step up again.
- Tommy Freeman is not playing against the Tyrone full back line, instead he is up against Andrew McLoughlin, 'shudder'..
Looking forward to it, a tight gane and I think Monaghan will win..
if kildare pick up as much breaking ball again that will negate imo the stronger midfield pairing of monaghans advantage
Could be a monaghan backlash - i'd expect them to win but as you say , 6 days and such a crushing defeat makes it harder - though they will have learned a hell of a lot out there today
Monaghan, especially if Corey is back, but they should win anyway.
I can't see Monaghan being as poor again but the 6 day turnaround after losing a final is very tough as Kildare found out in '02 and '03. Kildare are on a bit of a roll now and they'll probably go into this as favourites. We've found a settled team and a bit of good form but playing five Saturdays on the bounce is bound to take it's toll at some stage.
I think the Grimley factor will be overplayed this week. For all that he'll have an in depth knowledge of most of the Kildare players, that will count for little when the ball is thrown in.
Doubtful there'll be many changes to Kildare's team. Smith in for O'Connor will probably be the only one. A case could be made for Eoghan O'Flaherty instead of Roli but I think Roli's physicality will ensure he gets the nod.
Presume it will be held in Navan - unless they make it a double header with the Dubs match in Croke Park?
The league game in Clones last year was a great game. Hopefully this one will be as entertaining and Kildare can take their third Northern scalp of the year.
IMO that monaghan team was found out today. 2 wins, against a bad fermanagh team and a win vs armagh in which they couldn't miss in front of the posts and had a extra man for most of the game. As i said i don't think they are as good as some people are making out. Kildare on the other hand will be full of confidence after 3 wins on the bounce. Kildare by 3!
I know I asked this on another thread but this may be a more appropriate place for it. Are provincial losers not supposed to get a week break?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 19, 2010, 12:59:35 AM
Are provincial losers not supposed to get a week break?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=d0543589646b5234ecd42a989604d7e8&topic=12480.0
Monaghan will be fit enough for this game, the big questions are about the 'bouncebackability' factor and coping with the injuries to key players.
I hope it is fixed for Sunday. I'd say Kildare will be clear favourites, at about 4/7 for this game.
Any word of a venue yet?
Can't imagine Kildare being over-whelming favs, maybe 4/5 or 5/4 (-1), will be a tight game.
Games are fixed for Saturday, very unfair on Monaghan.
There is a mushroom cloud of despair descending over the drumlins.
6 days is little time to rub off the all pervasive smell of Tyrone.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2010, 11:50:16 AM
Can't imagine Kildare being over-whelming favs, maybe 4/5 or 5/4 (-1), will be a tight game.
Games are fixed for Saturday, very unfair on Monaghan.
And Sligo tbf
Sligo got Down, that's a reward :)
Monaghan v Kildare
3-00pm Croke Park
Referee: TBC
Quote from: thebandit on July 19, 2010, 03:44:04 PM
Monaghan v Kildare
3-00pm Croke Park
Referee: TBC
Sauce?
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/19/weekend-gaa-fixtures-with-times-venues-saturday-24th-july-sunday-25th-july (http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/19/weekend-gaa-fixtures-with-times-venues-saturday-24th-july-sunday-25th-july)/
Quote from: thebandit on July 19, 2010, 03:44:04 PM
Monaghan v Kildare
3-00pm Croke Park
Referee: TBC
Saturday or Sunday?
Saturday.
Must be Saturday if the hurling quarters are on in Croke Park on Sunday.
Promises to be a great day, should get 45K-50K there I'd imagine, will be some support for Louth in the 2nd game, the Dubs will love that though..
Venue should favour Kildare, plenty of experience there and there will probably less than 20K at the first game so will be harder again for Monaghan to raise the intensity.
Monaghan have had a good few run outs in CP over the past few years as well. Although they've all ended badly. :-\
Still, nice to have a day out in HQ.
Yea but Kildare have often played the opening act in Croke Park, the atmosphere when there is only 15k can be quite surreal, conscious that the Monaghan back lash will come in the 1st 20 so lack of atmosphere will help quell that plus Kildare are awful starters so we need all the help we can get.
True enough, Croke Park will be our wake. After (what Souness might say) getting raped by Tyrone, the innocence of our free flowing attacking football and intensity has all but flown the nest for this year.
It might be a thought to have the standard minutes silence, dedicated to the memory of our shattered Anglo Celt aspirations
Should be a very decent crowd at it. Monaghan have a good travelling support and Dubs/Louth would draw 40,000+ on their own. Bit of a buzz back in Kildare over the past few weeks - outnumbered both Antrim and Derry away from home and plenty of the bandwagon brigade will fancy the short trip up to the big smoke for the day out.
I do think Monaghan will be happy enough with Croke Park though. I think it is easier for a team to raise themselves for a game in HQ than it would be for a game at a provincial ground like Navan.
Team meeting tomorrow.
Time for Banty's version of the "blood, toil, tears and sweat" speech.
I'd worry about Monaghan if they had their hearts set on an Ulster. Getting so soundly beaten after failing to turn up would leave you a bit raw, and it's a big ask to be at a peak level for Kildare the next day, especially as Kildare will be flying psychologically, even if they are a bit tired physically.
Any word on the ref?
Presumably we'll be wearing our changed colours yet again.
Green is the new White!
Don't tempt fate Onlooker!
I hope the ref has it in his heart to give us a few sympathy calls.
On short reflection, our Qualifier bouncebackability record is quite good.
Quote from: Main Street on July 19, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
On short reflection, our Qualifier bouncebackability record is quite good.
But our Croke Park record isn't.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2010, 04:07:12 PM
Bit of a buzz back in Kildare over the past few weeks - outnumbered both Antrim and Derry away from home and plenty of the bandwagon brigade will fancy the short trip up to the big smoke for the day out.
You definitely didn't outnumber Antrim in Casement - just that Antrim had very little to cheer about. As for Celtic Park, having the majority in a crowd of 3747 is hardly a major achievement.
At the same time, should be a decent crowd next Saturday - just hoping Monaghan's crowd (as well as the team) can lift themselves for another go.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 19, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
On short reflection, our Qualifier bouncebackability record is quite good.
But our Croke Park record isn't.
The bigger issue is recovering from the Final.
I think we have won most every first qualifier we have played in.
Quote from: Main Street on July 19, 2010, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 19, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
On short reflection, our Qualifier bouncebackability record is quite good.
But our Croke Park record isn't.
The bigger issue is recovering from the Final.
I think we have won most every first qualifier we have played in.
Kildare have never been beaten in a qualifier under McGeeney so something will have to give on Saturday.
Ref is Jimmy White from Donegal apparently.
Fancy Kildare to win fairly handily in this one. Stop Mongahan half backs marauding forward and that's their gameplan screwed. Armagh failed to do it because our half forward line had retreated to defend too deep. Tyrone nailed them time and again in their own half to stop momentum building. I reckon McGeeney likes the cerebal aspect of management and is a big admirer of Mickey Harte, so i'd say they'll have that game well dissected. I do think monaghan had all their eggs in the Ulster basket this year and to get so comprehensively humped couldn't be easy to recover from.
There's no doubt the focus was on winning Ulster, but Banty won't want to end his time with Monaghan like this. And hopefully the players will want to show that yesterday was the fluke, not the Armagh and Fermanagh performances.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 19, 2010, 10:26:48 PM
Kildare have never been beaten in a qualifier under McGeeney so something will have to give on Saturday.
Ref is Jimmy White from Donegal apparently.
I was more digging for evidence that the team can put a disappointing game behind them and meet a competitive challenge rather than looking for a consoling statistic to support the idea that we can beat Kildare.
Even if we had beaten Tyrone and met Kildare in the 1/4 finals, I would not have been confident of beating them. I was really impressed by them when they beat us in the league and I fancied Kildare to do well in the championship that year.
We got back on track quick enough after losing the Ulster final in 2007. I won't write us off just yet.
Playing this competitive game in Croke Park gives it some aura of intensity which Monaghan probably need more than Kildare.
EUR 30 in for this game :o (EUR 20 if you want to brave it with the dubs on the hill).
Bloody hell - more expensive than the Ulster final!
Loose change to us Kildare folk
Sure ye have that floating around in the ashtray of the 4x4 Dinny. Unless ye've tipped the maid (oo er) with it.
She's back in Moldova on holidays..
You should have said 'Dublin' :D
we can afford more than that..
Best odds on qualifiers at present (no Betfair market yet):
Louth 16/5 Boylesports
Dublin 4/9 Ladbrokes
Kildare 10/11 Ladbrokes
Monaghan 5/4 Paddypower
Down 10/11 Ladbrokes/Paddypower
Sligo 6/4 Boylesports
Cork 1/4 Paddypower
Limerick 5/1 Boylesports
Dublin
Monaghan
Sligo
Cork
My only change to that would be Louth, Bandit.
I know it's Croker, but I think Louth'll come out all guns blazing and I can't see the Dubs avoiding overconfidence after last weekend, plus no Ref is going to go too hard on them this weekend and incur more attention.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2010, 09:39:46 AM
Loose change to us Kildare folk
Sure we light the cigars with that after a round at the K-Club
Quote from: The Konica on July 20, 2010, 02:35:58 PM
My only change to that would be Louth, Bandit.
I know it's Croker, but I think Louth'll come out all guns blazing and I can't see the Dubs avoiding overconfidence after last weekend, plus no Ref is going to go too hard on them this weekend and incur more attention.
It's redemption day at Croke Pk on Saturday.
Indeed. Fate wouldn't dare interfere with Louth's destiny at this stage.
Louth
Down
Kildare
Cork
15/1
Dubs will strangle the life outa Louth
Dubs
SLigo
Kildare
Cork
for the Christmas money
looks like it will be a good crowd on Sat, lower tier nearly sold out, opening the upper tier
Some footage from last year's league encounter:
Forgot about that 'shoulder' Roli got from the goalkeeper! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDxVF8wMwk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDxVF8wMwk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICNl0UbJQbo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICNl0UbJQbo&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9OsYKtils&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9OsYKtils&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dhrv_zCVyc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dhrv_zCVyc&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcyDTYwykG4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcyDTYwykG4&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDChEDEzXq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDChEDEzXq4)
Thursday, March 19, 2009
GAA: Lilies leave it late to get past Farney Army
NFL DIVISION 2 ROUND 4
Kildare 1-14 Monaghan 1-11
SOMEONE said to Kildare manager Kieran McGeeney that he's starting to get good at this managerial 'lark'.
A few astute changes in the second half provided Kildare with the fresh legs needed for victory and proved that McGeeney has produced a panel of players capable of winning at this level. The Armagh will know how tough it is to win against Monaghan in Clones, particularly against a team that had won three out of three before Sunday, but his Kildare side did their best to make it look easy.
For the first 10 minutes they kept their opponents scoreless while managing to kick five points and it was 0-7 0-1 after 20 minutes when a dodgy Monaghan penalty brought the home side back into it.
And even when the Lilies - wearing the away green jersey for the game to avoid a clash with their opponents - were given a fright by a resurgent home side late in the second half they kicked three points in the last five minutes of the game, each score finished and created with great ease, to see off their toughest challenge to date.
Home wins were always going to be crucial to stave off relegation worries but Kildare are well beyond that at this stage. The results so far and the form of the team puts them head and shoulders above the rest of the teams in division two, even if Cork are still level on points but not score difference, after they stole a draw in Newbridge.
With Monaghan just a point behind the Lilies in the group they will need to win at least two of their remaining games and possibly all three to be sure of promotion but no one can argue that such a feat is beyond them. Kildare are favourites for the division two title now and rightly so because they have answered a lot of hard questions in the process of beating Monaghan in Clones.
Unlike the draw with Cork they didn't allow refereeing decisions affect their performance because there were plenty of howlers from the appointed official, Thomas Quigley.
The Monaghan penalty, when Kevin O'Neill made a superb block on Dick Clerkin 20 minutes into the first half, was a bad call but what really made Quigley look foolish was his decision to give the Moorefield man a black book. If O'Neill had blatantly taken his man out of it as Clerkin was about to shoot for goal then surely he should have been issued a yellow card?
Instead O'Neill had to look on in frustration as Tommy Freeman easily dispatched the penalty into the bottom left corner, leaving Shane McCormack motionless in the centre of the goal.
When Ronan Sweeney was denied a penalty midway through the second half, having been taken out of it by the Monaghan keeper Padraig McBennett, Kildare might have wondered if they had wronged Quigley in a previous life. Instead they put those decisions to one side and focused only on what was within their control - kicking scores.
While John Doyle missed a couple of chances early on and wing back Brian Flanagan lashed a ball wide from 45 metres it was a sign of how dominant Kildare were they managed to kick seven points and three wides in 17 minutes of football.
Both Flanagan and Mark Scanlon - a late replacement for the injured Mick Foley - got forward to score points during that spell. Flanagan's point was a real beauty, from just inside the Monaghan 45 he clipped it with the outside of his boot perfectly between the uprights.
Freeman's penalty followed shortly after, reducing the margin to three points but when Ronan Sweeney goaled seven minutes before half time - getting to Ken Donnelly's knockback from Mikey Conway's looping free - Monaghan were in serious trouble even with the assistance of two points from Rory Woods and Freeman before the break to leave it 1-9 to 1-4 at the interval.
Kildare did have the benefit of a substantial breeze in that opening 35 minutes while Monaghan were cursed with injuries to centre-forward Paul Finlay and centre back James Conlon.
While they weren't body blows to Seamus McEnaney's side they certainly took from the fabric of the side and Finlay's loss was sorely felt was Kildare centre back Brian Flanagan controlled the centre and got forward with purpose.
Rory Woods was the key man for the Ulster men in the second half and without a man-marker tracking him he was able to drop deep and gather possession, setting up Freeman for scores inside as well as getting forward for two points as Monaghan drew level in the 65th minute. Full back Darren Hughes was after kicking two inspiring scores to bring the Farney men level but Kildare recovered the lead within a minute through Ronan Sweeney while sub Karl Ennis scored within seconds of his introduction to increase the lead.
Alan Smith scored a third in injury time and the Lilies were top of the table.
This national league 'lark' is really suiting them.
KILDARE: Shane McCormack; Hugh McGrillen, Kevin O'Neill, Aindriú MacLochlainn; Mark Scanlon (.-.), Brian Flanagan ( Mikey Conway; Killian Brennan, Dermot Earley; Eamonn Callaghan (.-.), Padraig O'Neill (.-.), James Kavanagh (.-.); Ken Donnelly ( Ronan Sweeney (.-.), John Doyle (.-., .fs). YELLOW CARD: John Doyle, .. mins, replaced by Alan Smith (.-.). SUBS: Morgan O'Flaherty for Scanlon, ..; Robert Kelly for Brennan, ..; Eoghan O'Flaherty for P O'Neill, ..; Karl Ennis (.-.) for Kavanagh, ...
MONAGHAN: Padraig McBennett; Dessie Mone, Darren Hughes (.-.), Dermot McArdle; Conor McManus, James Conlon, Gary McQuaid; Vincent Corey, Owen Lennon; Dick Clerkin, Paul Finlay (.-.f), Damien Freeman; Mark Downey (.-.), Rory Woods ( Tommy Freeman (.-., .-. pen, .fs). SUBS: Gary McEnaney for McQuaid, ..; Stephen Gollogly for D Freeman, ..; Raymond Ronaghan for Finlay (inj), ..; Ciaran Hanratty for Conlon, h/t; Paul McGuigan for Hanratty, ..; Stephen McAleer for Downey, ...
REF: Thomas Quigley, Dublin
http://archives.tcm.ie/kildarenationalist/2009/03/19/story28819.asp (http://archives.tcm.ie/kildarenationalist/2009/03/19/story28819.asp)
Who's the div 1 team though :-*
Sure we had promotion in the bag by that stage.
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/Grimley-to-come-back-to.6428752.jp
(http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/Grimley-to-come-back-to.6428752.jp)
Grimley to come back to haunt Lilies?
20 July 2010
By RUTH O'BRIEN
ROUND four of this year's All Ireland Football Championship qualifiers and Kieran McGeeney will go head to head with his close friend; the man who left Kildare for Monaghan last year.
Paul Grimley will be in the opposite dug out this Saturday in Croke Park, just a week after his side were comfortably picked apart by Tyrone in the Ulster final and the big man will not be short on inside knowledge when it comes to the Lilywhites.
Grimley describes his two year term in Kildare as 'fantastic' but a recent conversation with the Kildare players certainly now sees him back pedalling.
"I had two fantastic years in Kildare. I have no problem saying that they were a great bunch of lads to work with. I was recently down for Dermot Earley's wake and I wished the lads all the best and said that I hope to see them back in the quarter finals but I need to change my tune now!" joked the Armagh man.
Picking his side up after Sunday's defeat is Grimley's biggest concern now especially after the nature of Kildare's victory and performance in Celtic Park. They will also have to plan without the services of the influential due of Vinny Corey and JP Moyne.
"It's going to be seriously difficult to pick them up for it. Everything was geared towards winning an Ulster final.
"Kildare played extremely well against Derry, particularly in the second half. They seem to have a momentum with them and they will be difficult opposition. People are saying Derry were disappointing and didn't get going but Kildare suffocated them," he admitted.
Aside from Cork, Kildare were the one team Grimley wanted to avoid because he believes they are one of the best teams still in it.
"Out of the other top teams of I think Kildare have been most impressive. They got over the Louth game exceptionally well and responded and I hope we can do the same."
Meanwhile Kildare would seem to have picked up just one additional injury worry. Clane's Tomas O'Connor, forced off early in the game, will have a scan on his injured knee this week.
Apart from that it would seem the Lilies have come through their fourth game in four weeks relatively unscathed.
Hope Tomás O'Connor's injury isn't too bad. The poor lad can't buy a break. If he was able to get a sustained run at the team over the next few years I'd expect him to become a realistic option at midfield - especially with big Dermot not getting any younger.
Is he related to our Tomás O'Connor?
He's be a son I think
Jaysus. Will ye ever stop robbing our sons? We need the likes of Mick Wright and Tomás O'Connor :D
You can have Mick Wright back
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 21, 2010, 02:49:47 PM
You can have Mick Wright back
I'd take him. Is he gone to the dogs?
By the sounds of Grimley, the broken hearts is an even bigger issue than missing the spine of Vinny Corey and JP Mone.
He regards it as next to impossible to lift this team up before Saturday.
Is this a newspaper interview or something?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 21, 2010, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 21, 2010, 02:49:47 PM
You can have Mick Wright back
I'd take him. Is he gone to the dogs?
Ah Mick was alright. Very unfortunate to be sent off in the 2003 Leinster Final after having a stormer against Meath in the semi-final.
He's still playing away with Celbridge (won the county title 2 years ago - made a great block from Alan Smith I think in the dying stages of the replay that effectively won them the match). He was on the panel for the league in 2008 but must be over the thirty mark at this stage.
Quote from: Hardy on July 21, 2010, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 21, 2010, 02:46:27 PM
Is he related to our Tomás O'Connor?
Or ours?
We are owed compensation for Davy Dalton jnr after all. Before you say it - Cathal Sheridan won't do us! Any chance there's a young Giles or Ollie Murphy about?
Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2010, 04:08:17 PM
By the sounds of Grimley, the broken hearts is an even bigger issue than missing the spine of Vinny Corey and JP Mone.
He regards it as next to impossible to lift this team up before Saturday.
I dunno why they'd have broken hearts.
It's not like it was a close game, they were absolutely hosed.
I would have thought they'd be glad of a chance to redeem themselves.
Me too. I expect a Farney win.
I think the first 10 minutes will tell you if Monaghan have turned up to win or not.
I won't expect a thriller either, this one could get messy, there'll be a lot of bruised ego's on the Monaghan side, a lot of men didn't perform to their billing the last day.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2010, 04:08:17 PM
By the sounds of Grimley, the broken hearts is an even bigger issue than missing the spine of Vinny Corey and JP Mone.
He regards it as next to impossible to lift this team up before Saturday.
I dunno why they'd have broken hearts.
It's not like it was a close game, they were absolutely hosed.
I would have thought they'd be glad of a chance to redeem themselves.
There's only so much redemption going around Croke Park on Saturday and Louth have first call. It would be beneath us to use up what we would need on the day and deprive Louth of their reclamation.
Play the blues. no captain, no JP Mone and a broken heart.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2010, 05:25:07 PM
looks like it will be a good crowd on Sat, lower tier nearly sold out, opening the upper tier
Are you sure Dinny?
I heard that they still had not sold out the lower tier. There are no upper deck tickets available on ticketmaster and I believe that as of this morning there were only lower deck tickets available from the outlet in Dorset St.
Has anyone got any upper deck tickets?
That was from a mate's wife who works in Croker but not in the ticket office so I think she was a bit premature alright
O'Connor ruled out according to Da Herild.
Smith would have started anyway but it takes away a good option from the bench especially with Monaghan missing their first choice full-back.
I'd say Roli and Smith will start inside on their own with Johnny dropping deep. If it's not working out for Roli like last weekend I'd hope McGeeney would consider bringing him out to wing forward and moving Jimmers inside where we could get more out of both of them. Eoghan Flats and Cribbin are good forward options to have on the bench to bring on in the last quarter when the backs will be tiring. They should relish the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
rte.ie tip Monaghan to bounce back and do not fall for the fool's adage that you are only as good as your last game. Does Keith Barr in the Indo count?
On Betfair, by far the biggest volume of betting is on this game and by far the biggest volume is on Kildare.
Which means zilch I guess, because laying and backing are two sides of the same coin there..
QuoteOn Betfair, by far the biggest volume of betting is on this game and by far the biggest volume is on Kildare.
Population of Kildare is quite big and very much a gambling county with a lot people employed in the racing industry so wouldn't worry about the odds, Dublin's odds are always quite distorted as well.
Glad to see rte.ie tip Monaghan, they tipped Derry last week to win comfortably so they have no previous...
Very difficult game to call this one, but having seen both teams in action last weekend, you would have to say Kildare are probably worthy favourites. The problem with Ulster teams is that they generally have to peak too early in the season (only teams with big squads like Tyrone have been able to remain fairly consistent all the way through, but not always) and Monaghan appear to have done this against Armagh a number of weeks back. They hit a brick wall at Clones on Sunday and must be very difficult for them to get back on track. Especially without Vinny Corey and JP Mone - who was probably their best player last week (are these guys def out?). The defence looks much weaker now, and the goalkeeping problems don't help.
Another worry for Monaghan is that they are totally unproven against teams from outside Ulster. Their only victory against non-Ulster opposition in 5 seasons (and there have been few enough games I know) came against Wicklow I think in 2006. Two league victories this year came against Tyrone and Derry.
Kildare look more settled. There's a decent shape and structure to their play and with players like Doyle, Callaghan and Earley bang in form they pose a serious challenge. They've re-jigged their defence since the Louth defeat and the right-back Kelly(?) was excellent against Eoin Bradley last weekend. I'd expect him to pick up Freeman.
I was impressed last week with how fit Kildare looked - physically and mentally. And they were bringing guys off the bench that didn't weaken them. McGeeney looks like he's prepared his side for this point of the season. They came very close to beating Tyrone last year, so they're not far away. They'd fancy another crack at them.
Kildare by 3 points.
That would be based on the 'you are only as good as your last game' adage.
For the most part, the qualifiers for Monaghan have been an extension of the Ulster in-house dog fight. But you can only beat the dog that you are matched against.
Dinny I take your point about Kildare gamblers, but on Betfair the gamblers also lay the odds.
AFAIA, you cant back unless some other gambler offers.
Monaghan.
I think Kildare are a good team, I don't think (and no disrespect to them) Derry was as much of an achievement. I think this will be a far harder game for them especially after a few weeks on the road too. I know both teams played and have short turn arounds, but there'll not be much between them. Callaghan is doing well and Doyle will take marking, but Walsh or most likely Dessie Mone will take him. We all know what Mone is about, and that'll be the kind of game it'll be.
Monaghan will be smarting after the last weekend.
Embarassed at home after (5 years of hard work) and 8 months of hard training in Clones in front of their own people, I think Monaghan will be out in force for this one.
Playing in Croker will liberate them too, in many ways it'll be easier than playing at home in Clones for them and I expect them to empty the tank this weekend.
Kildare won't have met a team like this yet this year and while they are well drilled I think this will be a dog fight with Monaghan going back to rough, tough negative win at all costs football.
Grimley came in and has tried to bring in attacking positive football, but based on last week and his knowledge of the Kildare camp, Monaghan will tighten their defence as tight as anyone can and go back to last years style of badger everything that moves.
Injuries will be tough on Monaghan, but here's a brave bet - MOTM - I expect Darren Hughes to get Man of the Match. Hugely underrated footballer and liberated now to CHB will attack at every chance, regardless of the man he has to mark as he's currently fit enough to do both.
Lennon and Clerkin will have big games, because they had nothing to do last weekend!!! (Ok a bit harsh), but they'll be angry at how Tyrone won and neither stepped up after the League they had. Expect Early to get a wallop in the first 30 seconds too and I'd be surprised if he finishes the game.
I know I'm going against the grain, but I think Monaghan will pull a surprise out of the bag.
Don't expect a good game.
Plenty of pundits going against Kildare in the past few days which is good to hear. We never seem to perform when people start talking us up.
Monaghan are going to throw the kitchen sink at us tomorrow and Kildare will have to be tuned in from the start. If we can weather the inevitable early backlash from Monaghan I'd be hopeful Kildare have enough in them to come through. The second half performances in Belfast & Derry were back somewhere near the level we were at last summer. We'll have to put two of those halves together tomorrow.
I wouldn't be overly concerned with the five games in five weeks. A lot of pundits are talking it up as a big factor but all of those games bar the Antrim draw were long over before the final whistle. Kildare have found a settled team along with some form and momentum. I'd much rather be coming into a game on a bit of a roll rather than lying idle for a month.
Dermot's fitness is a concern but he has to be on the field for his leadership alone. Flynner has being playing out of his skin all year and hopefully he'll keep it up tomorrow. It wouldn't surprise me if Grimley advised Banty to put Clerkin on him in an effort to wind him up. He seems to have curbed his temper though and I'm confident he'll show the kind of restraint he showed down in Thurles if it gets physical.
This game will be won and lost around the middle. Both midfields are even enough on paper but in the likes of Leper, Flaherty and Paudie, Kildare have players who are very effective at hoovering up the breaks. Monaghan are missing Mone and Corey from the heart of their defence but being able to play Hughes out the field is a big plus for them. If Kildare get a decent supply into Smith and JD and Kelly and McGrillen can put the shackles on Freeman and McManus we can get over the line. I can't see there being more than two or three points in it either way though.
Quote from: The Konica on July 23, 2010, 03:10:37 PM
Playing in Croker will liberate them too, in many ways it'll be easier than playing at home in Clones for them and I expect them to empty the tank this weekend.
I believe our last championship win in Croker was 1930. Very liberating.
Quote from: The Konica on July 23, 2010, 03:10:37 PM
Grimley came in and has tried to bring in attacking positive football, but based on last week and his knowledge of the Kildare camp, Monaghan will tighten their defence as tight as anyone can and go back to last years style of badger everything that moves.
I'm not so sure. The attacking brand worked against Armagh and Fermanagh. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater on the basis of one result. A bit of tweaking needed maybe.
Quote from: The Konica on July 23, 2010, 03:10:37 PM
Lennon and Clerkin will have big games, because they had nothing to do last weekend!!! (Ok a bit harsh), but they'll be angry at how Tyrone won and neither stepped up after the League they had.
Please enlighten me with the league that Lennon had - I missed it.
I actually think we could have a relatively high-scoring game, but that's probably just being a bit optimistic. I fancy our main forwards to step up to the plate tomorrow after the no-show they had against Tyrone, and I'm hopeful we can get a decent supply of ball into them - if we can do that I think they'll do well. The midfield battle is of course vital, but again I think we can do well in this area. Earley not being fully fit is a plus for us, and Dick and Lennon can win their fair share in there - they caught a decent amount against Tyrone(in the first half anyway), the problem was making use of it afterwards, and that aspect will hopefully have been rectified in the meantime. Then of course we are a bit light at the back with JP and Vinny being absent, and a flying Kildare attack led by Johnny Doyle in fine form can punish any and every mistake here. Hopefully we can put the shackles on these boys but that'll be tough, and so I think we need our top men up front to be in scoring form to edge us ahead into the quarter-final. It's probably a bit naive to expect a shoot-out, I'm just hoping to see a good game! But I suppose I don't care what type of game it is if we prevail.
Konica, good shout on Hughes being a possible MOTM, if the game does turn out to be a tight, defensive game it could be someone like him that will get it. Expecting a big performance from him tomorrow, despite losing he had a great game against Kildare in the league last year. Excellent young player, and imo a future Monaghan captain. Hopefully he can fire over a couple of these beautys tomorrow!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dhrv_zCVyc
A tough and intriguing game ahead, I'll keep the faith and predict Monaghan by 2 pts.
Hard to say what theories will prove to be more accurate on the day. Monaghan overrated by some or still good enough despite being overrated.
Monaghan in despair or Monaghan to bite back at full steam. Monaghan missing JP Mone and Corey or have adequate replacements. Freeman and McManus can be frozen out of it again or maybe not? Finlay has 2 right feet permanently now or not? Monaghan to continue running blindly up cul de sacs or not?
Damien Richardson regards it as one of the beauties of sport, that it gives you a serious kick in the rump every now and again. We'll soon see how Monaghan respond to their kicking.
Our 2-12 to 1-07 win over Donegal in the 2007 fourth round in Omagh remains one of my favourite Monaghan games. That was coming off an Ulster final defeat. A similar display tomorrow would do nicely.
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 23, 2010, 02:39:23 PM
Another worry for Monaghan is that they are totally unproven against teams from outside Ulster. Their only victory against non-Ulster opposition in 5 seasons (and there have been few enough games I know) came against Wicklow I think in 2006. Two league victories this year came against Tyrone and Derry.
Other than a defeat to Wexford in 2006, I can only recall Kerry in 2007 and 2008. I wouldn't read too much into that. Although it's good to get a run outside of Ulster.
From Hoganstand:
Monaghan delay selection
23 July 2010
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney won't be naming his team to face Kildare in tomorrow's All-Ireland football qualifier until just before throw-in.
The Farney County have injury concerns over goalkeeper Shane Duffy, full back JP Mone and the versatile Vinny Corey, who missed last Sunday's Ulster final defeat to Tyrone, and have decided to delay announcing their side until the last minute.
What do they do for the match programme in those situations? Do they just throw them out a dud?
Do you ever remember the first time you asked someone who AN Other was?
What was the deal about the jersey numbers last week, was the decision made so late in the day?
Quote from: Main Street on July 23, 2010, 09:36:36 PM
What was the deal about the jersey numbers last week, was the decision made so late in the day?
Not at all. Monaghan got fined for having to change numbers for the Armagh game - you have to play your players in the numbers you announce. They obviously had an outfield jersey printed with a #1 - maybe just in case, maybe not - to get around this.
It's a very hard game to call, before the Tyrone game Monaghan had impressed everyone and no-one could foresee that Ulster final capitulation. A lot of pundits are keeping faith with Monaghan which is fair but Senan Connell who tips Kildare brought out a stat on the Last Word tonight that no team since 2001 has won after losing a provincial final and having only 6 days to turn it around, that team by the way was Dublin. Senan also to his credit singled out Flynn and Callaghan as Kildare's two best players whereas the likes of Barr and Tommy Carr still roll out the tired cliche Kildare are too dependent on Doyle for scores etc etc..Senan needless to say tipped Kildare, as have the Hoganstand and Setanta in the Monaghan corner we have Tommy Carr, Keith Barr and RTE. RTE tipped Derry last week citing Kildare had only beaten weak sides but conversely said that Derrys win over weak sides had given them confidence Rolling Eyes Having seen Monaghan in the flesh last week I find it very hard to see anything but a Kildare win but it really is all on the day. Lets hope for a good hard game of football and may the best team win.
RTE use different pundits, this week it's Leonard.
What you are trying to say Dinny, in a roundabout way, is that the smart pundits are backing Kildare and the thick ones are backing Monaghan.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 23, 2010, 08:45:52 PM
From Hoganstand:
Monaghan delay selection
23 July 2010
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney won't be naming his team to face Kildare in tomorrow's All-Ireland football qualifier until just before throw-in.
The Farney County have injury concerns over goalkeeper Shane Duffy, full back JP Mone and the versatile Vinny Corey, who missed last Sunday's Ulster final defeat to Tyrone, and have decided to delay announcing their side until the last minute.
What do they do for the match programme in those situations? Do they just throw them out a dud?
Will somebody tell McEneaney, McElkennon and now Grimley that it doesn't suit Monaghan to do "cute hoorism". Nothing is ever straightforward with Monaghan. Rumours abound in the run up and the morning of the game, they have an outfield player wearing number one, they don't wear the proper kit etc etc etc. To be honest I think all this sh1te interrupts the teams preparations. I fancied Monaghan for this fixture but if they continue this "cute hoorism" then the pendulum is swinging towards Kildare.
Quote from: Main Street on July 23, 2010, 11:57:05 PM
RTE use different pundits, this week it's Leonard.
What you are trying to say Dinny, in a roundabout way, is that the smart pundits are backing Kildare and the thick ones are backing Monaghan.
I'd say Dinny is more pointing out the general laziness of certain analysts when it comes to Kildare - reliance on JD/Earley etc. At least Senan Connell could name more than two or three of our players. Tommy Carr is probably still sore that he never managed to beat Kildare when he was over the Dublin team (the two minutes of magic in 2000 still hurts!). Keith Barr is just a spoon. How himself and Bernard Flynn get paid to write/talk about football, I don't know.
Speaking of cute hoorism, KFM had O'Connor down to start tomorrow with Smith on the bench. :o
Surely either Smith or Flaherty óg will play.
Really looking forward to hitting the Big Smoke tomorrow morning. Cill Dara Abú!
Quote from: Main Street on July 23, 2010, 11:57:05 PM
RTE use different pundits, this week it's Leonard.
What you are trying to say Dinny, in a roundabout way, is that the smart pundits are backing Kildare and the thick ones are backing Monaghan.
Is there such a thing as a smart pundit, the problem I suppose it's the tipping against Kildare because we are too reliant on John Doyle (Kildare have scored 5-76 and he has contributed 1-34 I think) and Dermot Earley (who is by some distance our 2nd best midfielder this championship), they're the two household names, there is no matchups, no highlighting of weaknesses (McLoughlins ability to give away soft frees and his tendacy to give up an early yellow, Kildares defenders giving away the ball easily when put under pressure, Tyrone we are not, how we have demonstrated very poor decision making in a lot of our games, our lack of discipline in a physical game). We all read the pudits because we like to see our county being tipped to win, we are all just looking for some comfort of reaffirmation.
Joe.ie also tips Kildare (based on the Ulster final defeat and 6 day turnaround) which is the only reason Kildare are favs which I think is fair enough because on paper Monaghan are the better side, I don't think anyone will argue that on equal footing and both teams at full strength Monaghan should always get the nod but it's not a equal footing, no JP or Corey, a confidence shattering defeat and only 6 days to turn it around.
From here on in it is gladiator football where only the winners survive, sport at it's purist, it's not won in the papers or gaa forums, victiory will only be achieved when our 15 warriors go for the juggular and fight over every inch, there is no better feeling than having left everything in battle, lying on the ground victorious.
Cill Dara ABÚ
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 24, 2010, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 23, 2010, 08:45:52 PM
From Hoganstand:
Monaghan delay selection
23 July 2010
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney won't be naming his team to face Kildare in tomorrow's All-Ireland football qualifier until just before throw-in.
The Farney County have injury concerns over goalkeeper Shane Duffy, full back JP Mone and the versatile Vinny Corey, who missed last Sunday's Ulster final defeat to Tyrone, and have decided to delay announcing their side until the last minute.
What do they do for the match programme in those situations? Do they just throw them out a dud?
Will somebody tell McEneaney, McElkennon and now Grimley that it doesn't suit Monaghan to do "cute hoorism". Nothing is ever straightforward with Monaghan. Rumours abound in the run up and the morning of the game, they have an outfield player wearing number one, they don't wear the proper kit etc etc etc. To be honest I think all this sh1te interrupts the teams preparations. I fancied Monaghan for this fixture but if they continue this "cute hoorism" then the pendulum is swinging towards Kildare.
How exactly?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2010, 11:40:51 PM
Senan Connell who tips Kildare brought out a stat on the Last Word tonight that no team since 2001 has won after losing a provincial final and having only 6 days to turn it around, that team by the way was Dublin.
Have we the details of how many matches were lost, who lost all of these matches and who they were playing?
On its own, that 'stat' means nothing.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 24, 2010, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 24, 2010, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 23, 2010, 08:45:52 PM
From Hoganstand:
Monaghan delay selection
23 July 2010
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney won't be naming his team to face Kildare in tomorrow's All-Ireland football qualifier until just before throw-in.
The Farney County have injury concerns over goalkeeper Shane Duffy, full back JP Mone and the versatile Vinny Corey, who missed last Sunday's Ulster final defeat to Tyrone, and have decided to delay announcing their side until the last minute.
What do they do for the match programme in those situations? Do they just throw them out a dud?
Will somebody tell McEneaney, McElkennon and now Grimley that it doesn't suit Monaghan to do "cute hoorism". Nothing is ever straightforward with Monaghan. Rumours abound in the run up and the morning of the game, they have an outfield player wearing number one, they don't wear the proper kit etc etc etc. To be honest I think all this sh1te interrupts the teams preparations. I fancied Monaghan for this fixture but if they continue this "cute hoorism" then the pendulum is swinging towards Kildare.
How exactly?
- I think Banty would have injury concerns and after 6 days isn't 100% if someone like Corey is fit
- It does Monaghan every advantage to delay selection and keep Kildare guessing
- Monaghan players won't be bothered in the slightest, they know their team already I'd say
Might not suit the observer, but all's fair in love and war.
Quote from: The Konica on July 24, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 24, 2010, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 24, 2010, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 23, 2010, 08:45:52 PM
From Hoganstand:
Monaghan delay selection
23 July 2010
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney won't be naming his team to face Kildare in tomorrow's All-Ireland football qualifier until just before throw-in.
The Farney County have injury concerns over goalkeeper Shane Duffy, full back JP Mone and the versatile Vinny Corey, who missed last Sunday's Ulster final defeat to Tyrone, and have decided to delay announcing their side until the last minute.
What do they do for the match programme in those situations? Do they just throw them out a dud?
Will somebody tell McEneaney, McElkennon and now Grimley that it doesn't suit Monaghan to do "cute hoorism". Nothing is ever straightforward with Monaghan. Rumours abound in the run up and the morning of the game, they have an outfield player wearing number one, they don't wear the proper kit etc etc etc. To be honest I think all this sh1te interrupts the teams preparations. I fancied Monaghan for this fixture but if they continue this "cute hoorism" then the pendulum is swinging towards Kildare.
How exactly?
- I think Banty would have injury concerns and after 6 days isn't 100% if someone like Corey is fit
- It does Monaghan every advantage to delay selection and keep Kildare guessing
- Monaghan players won't be bothered in the slightest, they know their team already I'd say
Might not suit the observer, but all's fair in love and war.
Exactly. No impact on preparations whatsoever.
Looking forward to this game. I expect Monaghan to win but this confident Kildare will give a good account and you never know !
I would love to write a long post about what I think will happen Monaghan if they lose today but I'll just leave it for now ...
I think that will be a wonderful drama when it happens!
Hitting the road now. Best of luck to Monaghan today!
Monaghan off to a flyer. But Hanratty's point looked wide. The far umpire who had the better view didn't even seem to be looking up at it in the replay. But sure it's only Croke Park, umpire standards are low.
i think hanratty switched the ball between hands as well so dubious enough point maybe
Quote from: hardstation on July 24, 2010, 03:04:37 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 24, 2010, 03:03:16 PM
Monaghan off to a flyer. But Hanratty's point looked wide. The far umpire who had the better view didn't even seem to be looking up at it in the replay. But sure it's only Croke Park, umpire standards are low.
I don't know how you could tell from the camera angles they showed.
Well I could tell the umpire wasn't looking up when the ball was going past the posts. The camera angle was behind ball as it went 'over'. Not saying 100% wide, but looked suspect.
Quote from: hardstation on July 24, 2010, 03:16:04 PM
Jesus Christ, Johnny Doyle is missing some chances.
Poor now, Kildare's pass selection up forward not good either. So much for the free flowing scores I'd anticipated. The afternoon of many wides more like.
Why is that annoying ould wan McStay obsessed with the free taker missing "on his own side" being worse than missing on the other side? What kind of bullshit is that? I fail to see the difference. One is exactly equal to the other by any logic I understand.
All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Qualifiers – round 4
Monaghan 0-05 0-02 Kildare, Croke park 3pm
29min played
24min (M) K Hughes Point
22min (K) J Doyle hits his 5th wide
21min (K) D Flynn Point
20min (M) E Lennon Point
17min (M) C McManus Point
15min (K) J Doyle hits his 4th wide
12min (K) J Kavanagh Point
2min (M) C Hanratty Point
1min (M) T Freeman Point
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/24/live-gaa-scores-saturday-24th-july/
Doyle either needs to be taken off or start passing it off. Big decision for McGeeney.
Kildare must have some type of record for wides in this years championship?
Quote from: Hardy on July 24, 2010, 03:20:56 PM
Why is that annoying ould wan McStay obsessed with the free taker missing "on his own side" being worse than missing on the other side? What kind of bullshit is that? I fail to see the difference. One is exactly equal to the other by any logic I understand.
He is useless at the best of times.
Making stuff up to pretend he knows anything about the game.
Kildare finding shooting form now. Both teams chalking up terrible wides. Pressure on Monaghan now, Kildare are notorious second half performers.
If Kildare get there shooting boots on for the 2nd half & they will win this with plenty to spare
That was the only way for Monaghan to start if they were going to give themselves any chance.
This will be the game where McGeeney earns his money.
I bet he wishes he had Grimley following him into the changing room at half time today.
Monaghans foot passing into the forwards is atrocious!
Thats the best aspect of gaelic football IMO. A midfielder catching his keepers kick out spectacularly, turning and surging towards goal. Usually only a professional foul can stop them. Great work there by Callaghan
I hope we get the winners of this !! ;D ;D
This is where you can judge a manager.
Half time, game is on the line and lose this and you're gone!
Lads I don't have RTE or TV3 so will need to get scores here. What's the half time score please? Does anyone have a link for streaming.....
Just thinking -
In the Kildare changing room McGeeney will say a few words. Aidan O'Rourke may or may not speak now ....
In the Monaghan room down the corridor, who speaks? All 3? Just Banty? Banty & Grimley?
Must take a bit of coordination to back sure there's not too much said and no crossed wires, mixed messages.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on July 24, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Lads I don't have RTE or TV3 so will need to get scores here. What's the half time score please? Does anyone have a link for streaming.....
All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Qualifiers – round 4
Monaghan 0-05 0-06 Kildare, Croke park 3pm
HT
35+2min (K) J Doyle Point
34min (K) E Callaghan Point
32min (K) J Kavanagh Point
31min (K) J Doyle hits his 6th wide
29min (K) E O'Flaherty Point
24min (M) K Hughes Point
22min (K) J Doyle hits his 5th wide
21min (K) D Flynn Point
20min (M) E Lennon Point
17min (M) C McManus Point
15min (K) J Doyle hits his 4th wide
12min (K) J Kavanagh Point
2min (M) C Hanratty Point
1min (M) T Freeman Point
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/24/live-gaa-scores-saturday-24th-july/
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on July 24, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Lads I don't have RTE or TV3 so will need to get scores here. What's the half time score please? Does anyone have a link for streaming.....
its 6-5 to Kildare
Cheers lads, much appreciated...come on kildare!
10-6 Kildare, playing very well
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2010, 03:41:01 PM
I hope we get the winners of this !! ;D ;D
are you sure ?
Nice sly dig by Woods there.
A class act.
That should be game over
I'll be surprised if Monaghan finish with 15. Either of Freemans or Woods the likely suspects.
Now with the goal, Monaghan are finished. 8 points and counting...
No doubt Kildare will want the Rossies next
Surely Monaghan must have someone who can play a bit of football instead of that nuisance Rory Woods.
Quote from: boojangles on July 24, 2010, 04:19:08 PM
Surely Monaghan must have someone who can play a bit of football instead of that nuisance Rory Woods.
i think the word nuisance is appropriate there. Its all he is there for
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 24, 2010, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: boojangles on July 24, 2010, 04:19:08 PM
Surely Monaghan must have someone who can play a bit of football instead of that nuisance Rory Woods.
i think the word nuisance is appropriate there. Its all he is there for
He has been brutal in last two games, missed an awful number of chances.
Callaghan scoring for fun now.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 24, 2010, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: boojangles on July 24, 2010, 04:19:08 PM
Surely Monaghan must have someone who can play a bit of football instead of that nuisance Rory Woods.
i think the word nuisance is appropriate there. Its all he is there for
Every team needs a nuisance, but a nuisance should also be able to play football and add something positive to a team. Rory Im afraid does not.
For all Kildare's open scoring they always let in a bagful of scores. Shouldn't pose too many serious problems for a team with a decent defence.
Quote from: boojangles on July 24, 2010, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 24, 2010, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: boojangles on July 24, 2010, 04:19:08 PM
Surely Monaghan must have someone who can play a bit of football instead of that nuisance Rory Woods.
i think the word nuisance is appropriate there. Its all he is there for
Every team needs a nuisance, but a nuisance should also be able to play football and add something positive to a team. Rory Im afraid does not.
i agree with you, he is useless
To be fair there's plenty of nuisances on either side there today.
Kildare always in your face after frees, follow through after fouls and up to annoying things like that. The McGeeney touch.
They'll be hard to beat all the same. Always though James Kavanagh was a very good player.
I wouldnt say Woods is useless,but he doesnt have the physique to be out in the half forward line,If hes going to play at this level,it would have to be in the FF line where he can use his strength.
Kildare full value for there 4 point win, IMO they should be good enough to beat Meath or the rossies but Tyrone/Kerry will beat them
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 24, 2010, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2010, 03:41:01 PM
I hope we get the winners of this !! ;D ;D
are you sure ?
hmmmmmmm ? :D
See what else comes through maybe ???
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 24, 2010, 04:31:49 PM
I wouldnt say Woods is useless,but he doesnt have the physique to be out in the half forward line,If hes going to play at this level,it would have to be in the FF line where he can use his strength.
Agree totally.
Kildares point scoring in that second half was impressive. Can no one hit frees for Kildare only Johnny Doyle?
Two jaded looking teams
Terrible performance. A very promising year down the pan in the space of 6 days. Clearly last Sunday was just too much to recover from - obviously missing Corey and Mone down the middle of defence didn't help things either - just never really got going.
If Kildare had been able to score, they would have been well in front by half time. When they did score they shot some great points.
Monaghan have now been shown for what they really are - dirty, dirty players who constantly punch when tackling, hit after the ball and try everything to bring the other team down to their level.
Thankfully they are now gone. Good riddance as they have been a disgrace to football and how Rory Woods and the Mones ever finish match's I'll never know. The one trick pony is finished - the Banty can go and roost and Monaghan can rightfully take their place as being 4th or 5th best in Ulster.
I confidently predict they will be easily relegated next year from Division one - and the slide will continue from there to bottom of Division 2. They have no underage worth talking about coming through.
The only player worth his place on any other team is Paul Finlay.
4th or 5th best in Ulster? Who are the 3 or 4 teams between Tyrone and Monaghan?
So much bullshit in that post it's not worth replying to.
Very disappointing today, the hunger just wasn't there any more and the mental and physical toll of last Sunday showed more and more as the game wore on. I thought early on that we looked up for it, but we couldn't keep up the initial pace we set in the first few minutes, the players clearly hadn't the heart for this after the crushing defeat 6 days ago, whereas Kildare looked well up for it and are growing in stature with each game.
Kildare had some amount of chances and had they took half of them would have been out of sight alot earlier. Obviously missing Vinny and JP left the defence alot lighter than usual, but the defence today couldn't keep up with Kildare's attack, particularly James Kavanagh who was superb, a player I've admired for a while now.
Well done Kildare, serious effort especially when you consider that's the 5th week in a row they're out, some going. I can't see many wanting to meet them now.
Bit of a change coming for Monaghan now, Banty will be gone along with 3-4 of the players retiring I'd say.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 24, 2010, 08:45:23 PM
4th or 5th best in Ulster? Who are the 3 or 4 teams between Tyrone and Monaghan?
Based on league & championship success this year:
Tyrone - only because they won Ulster - poor League
Armagh - good league, won Div 2 final, poor championship
Down - topped div 2 league - championship - could see them go above Armagh
Antrim - did well in the League - ok championship
Monaghan - poor league, points difference to keep them up, two ok championship match's and then fell apart
no point talking about the rest really.
Derry
Fermanagh
Cavan
Donegal
As Schkite says, no hunger, no pace, and the one trick pony was well and truly stopped.
Not hard to be stopped after the disappointment of last week, the players weren't up for it at all.
How you put those three teams ahead of Monaghan based on this year is laughable!
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Monaghan have spent a heck of a lot of money over the past three or four years and have nothing to show for it. Surely there have to be questions asked. I appreciate they have made it all the way up from Div 4, but they spent money that was geared towards winning something of substance ie AI or at least Ulster. It hasn't materialised. Will the spending be allowed to continue?
Firstly a bit of perspective, 6 days is not enough time to recover after losing a provincial final, we've been on the receiving end a couple of times and it is quite simply not fair and needs to be addressed just don't understand why it has to be..
Kildare won but we didn't beat the real Monaghan but still we had a job a to do and our attiutde was professionally in its approach, nice to win with JD having an a bit of mare but regular Kildare watchers know we now have players who can step up to the mark when JD or Dermot are having off days, Jimmers was outstanding today shipped a bit of criticism last week as did Roli but Geezer has instilled such high standards that these players are their own worse critics and their response was excellent. Can't remember the last time I say John Doyle kick 6 wides in 1 half but we most be approaching a 100 wides this year but we are creating chances however from here on in we need to be far more clinical if we want to progress.
Someone said that Spilliane made an intelligent point at half time and that Kildare's warm-ups are so intense that it might be leading to our slow starts, he might be onto something for once.
I doubt anyone could doubt we are a top 8 side (except that mad wannabe Derry man Lynchbhoy) but this is our third year in the quarter-finals and we have to push on.
Hard to look beyond Jimmers for motm but Bolton was outstanding as was the full-back line who between the 3 of them only conceded 1 point from play. Finally intelligent management from Geezer today, used his bench well and took the gamble that we wouldn't be caught at the end to rest some players and give the squad game time..
It's always a roller coaster of emotions being a Kildare supporter but it's great fun none the less. Onwards and upwards, 6 in a row next week, is that a record?
All set for the emotional one v us next weekend in this sad year of Dermot's passing?
That would be emotional, while it would be a great way to honour the great man I think it would be a massive distraction for Dermot Óg and could affect our peformance, at this stage every little detail matters.
mcgaa1, you clearly don't have a clue, but here goes anyway...
Quote from: mrgaa1 on July 24, 2010, 09:06:17 PM
Armagh - good league, won Div 2 final, poor championship
Armagh were playing in Division 2. Arguably survival in Division 1 is more of an achievement than promotion from Division 2. Monaghan beat Armagh by 12 points in Casement. Armagh won 2 games in the championship beating two teams you said weren't worth talking about.
Quote from: mrgaa1 on July 24, 2010, 09:06:17 PM
Down - topped div 2 league - championship - could see them go above Armagh
Again, they were playing in Division 2. They beat Donegal (again, who you said weren't worth talking about). They're on a run now, but they've only beat 2 Division 3 teams and a Division 4 team. Hardly extraordinary.
Quote from: mrgaa1 on July 24, 2010, 09:06:17 PM
Antrim - did well in the League - ok championship
They were in Division 3 of the league. Big deal. They played two championship games and lost both. They're improved, but they're still 5th best team in the provice at best.
Perhaps a little harsh from mrgaa1, he does seem to have a bee in his bonet about Monaghan. I do agree to an extent though that the Farney may well slip into a period of decline. I also think as an orchard fan that it puts Armaghs defeat into perspective..had brian Mallon not been (harshly) sent off the game would've been much closer. At this point Ulster, Tyrone aside, is pretty poor but these things go in cycles Armagh in 2/3 years will be a force again - that will be 5/6 years out of touch. Not sure whats coming through in other counties though. Tyrone it seems are fast becoming the Kerry of Ulster...it pains me greatly to say that.
I am drained just watching this Monaghan team now, never mind the players. After 2 minutes and 2 points, I felt they never looked like they were going to take advantage of Kildare's slow start and profligacy, which the would have needed to, to have a chance.
Small mercies in that it was not a total massacre in the second half. Kildare did not have to work that hard but they did it with a controlled, professional, driven attitude.
I think we blew a gasket sometime before the Ulster Final. I don't know how or why. Today was almost a replica game of the Ulster final from a Monaghan perspective.. On the game that was out there today, even after just 6 days, I would have expected a better first half, get a lead and be pegged back and probably overhauled by Kildare in the 2nd half.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 24, 2010, 04:31:49 PM
I wouldnt say Woods is useless,but he doesnt have the physique to be out in the half forward line,If hes going to play at this level,it would have to be in the FF line where he can use his strength.
Woods has ability, but he's never been fit enough to play or have serious effect at Intercounty and probably never will at this stage.
Probably not matter to the CCCCCC about the dig at Early, but it should.
Woods has plenty of previous in this regard, but has gotten away with a lot over the past.
Very disappointed by Monaghans performance.
I expected them to be a lot better than that.
Kildare are a good team, but they are not a great team and if Monaghan were any good or had any serious ambitions they'd have won or at least put up a better performance.
You have to seriously question what Monaghan do in training.
They are excessively negative and have a dirty edge to them. It's not a particularly tough edge, but dirty and occasionally borders on nasty.
Also the fitness issue. We hear all the talk about how fit Monaghan are, but Kildare had no trouble with them and Kildare have been on the road for 5 weeks now.
Kildare have made good steady progress over all. I suspect that they'll pose a challenge for any team, but they're not the finished article yet. Their focus IMO has to be on error elimination, not on adding to their armoury, they've to much going wrong that a better team than Monaghan wold punish.
I suspect that there may be too many cooks spoiling the broth in Monaghan. It doesn't matter who they are or the personalities, but the fact is three smart men on the sideline will all want their point of view heard and it must lead to conflict.
Training must be a problem also, with each having their own ideas.
Grimley came to Monaghan in a blaze of glory and there will questions for Banty to answer on that front. if the rumours are to be believed very few teams have invested as much as Monaghan.
He's obviously not a magician and one year or one season is probably a bit much to expect him to reverse a teams decline, but he's certainly not able to claim to have improved them.
Monaghan have to sit down and have a serious look at where they are going. They have some decent footballers and some very good footballers, but if they want to do something or win something in the next few years some serious changes are to be made.
Banty will have to think long and hard about his place. He's brought some great energy to Monaghan, failed to win the big one, but he's been good for the county and if he does go he'll be hard followed. It could therefore go either way - move on upwards or fall backwards into the doldrums (or is that drumlins?)
The bottom line is not that Monaghan are a poor team, not that they are bad footballers, it appears to be a case of overtrained and mentally fatigued.
The next move for that county is critical.
As for Kildare, keep the engine rolling!
QuoteKildare have made good steady progress over all. I suspect that they'll pose a challenge for any team, but they're not the finished article yet. Their focus IMO has to be on error elimination, not on adding to their armoury, they've to much going wrong that a better team than Monaghan wold punish.
Excellent point and one I would agree with, it's quite a young Kildare squad with the exception of JD, Dermot and a couple of others and I think a lot of those errors come from lack of composure which generally comes from experience, games like yesterday will only bring us on in that regard. We're not Tyrone or Kerry and I expect that you will need to beat both to win this years All-Ireland, I don't think any team left is capable of that.
I expect a lot of focus this week on Kildare been tired, 6 weeks in a row, they are not tired and these boys won't use that an excuse..
Quote from: Hardy on July 24, 2010, 03:20:56 PM
Why is that annoying ould wan McStay obsessed with the free taker missing "on his own side" being worse than missing on the other side? What kind of bullshit is that? I fail to see the difference. One is exactly equal to the other by any logic I understand.
Sorry Hardy, just picking this up now. As an ex-free taker it is worse to miss on the near side because it means you have snatched at the kick a bit, and not had a good stroke. Missing on the far side where the ball just doesn't come around enough is less upsetting for a kicker.
It's the equivalent of missing 'below the hole' on a 6 foot putt.
By the way, well done Kildare, another great Leinster win, but I think they need to eliminate the wides. I tipped Kildare for a big championship this year, but I thought they'd come through Leinster. The 6 weeks on the trot might be too much depending on who they draw.
2 poor games in Croker yesterday sorry I bothered me hole going along, Monaghan just were not interested in the game and the same old tactics of trying to run the ball just does not work for them, they are a frustating team to watch , and I'm on cooking duties for the week now !!
The amount of space on both wings that could have been exploited by Monaghan was shocking but their tactics are poor , and losing midfield did not help, they need a few Paul Gavins aroiund the Middle of the field , Finlay is completly wasted in the middle. As for Dessie Mone up to his usual tricks and the Monaghan sub who threw away a kildare player's boot did himself no favours.
Kildare did enough to scrape through and with their big players contributing very little they will be happy with that and they may trouble someone in the 1/4 if they can improve.
Quote from: The Konica on July 25, 2010, 07:33:09 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 24, 2010, 04:31:49 PM
I wouldnt say Woods is useless,but he doesnt have the physique to be out in the half forward line,If hes going to play at this level,it would have to be in the FF line where he can use his strength.
Woods has ability, but he's never been fit enough to play or have serious effect at Intercounty and probably never will at this stage.
Balls. Woods hasn't had a good year, but he's put in some great performances for Monaghan "at intercounty". Off the top of my head, he was MOTM for our game against Kerry in 2007 and the qualifier against Donegal in Ballybofey in 2008.
Honestly think this Monaghan team is crying out for a fresh face in charge. Nothing against McEneaney but I think he stayed on 1or 2 years too long. They seem a very dour bunch of lads and maybe need to play with a bit more carefreeeness.
Throwing away a boot? ;D FFS would you get over yourself Kerry Mike.
It wasn't tactics which lost the game. There was not a team out there in Monaghan that could have made anything work better.
The wings were used often, but many balls were directed hopelessly. The quality of Monaghan's use of the ball in Kildare's half was shocking. On midfield, it is suicidally naive to try and field the ball continually when you have some taller opposition player making no attempt to field but coming in from behind and slamdunking it with abandon.
Quote from: Canalman on July 25, 2010, 10:44:51 AM
Honestly think this Monaghan team is crying out for a fresh face in charge. Nothing against McEneaney but I think he stayed on 1or 2 years too long. They seem a very dour bunch of lads and maybe need to play with a bit more carefreeeness.
The problem is, once McEnaney goes, 4 or 5 are heading with him.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 24, 2010, 09:41:56 PM
I doubt anyone could doubt we are a top 8 side
Jayzuz Dinny - a bit heavy with some of that ! Would you have said kildare were a top 8 team 6 weeks or two months ago !! Hardly!
As for the above- kildare are currently one of the top three maybe top four teams in the country on FORM right now.
However that imo doesnt mean they are one of the top 8 or 10 best sides.
There are plenty of counties that are full of potential eg if Kildare were to play Cork now, I wouldnt back against kildare based on corks form , but I think everyone would acknowledge that the rebels have the best squad in the country - though maybe Kerry folk would disagree.
What is happening is that there is an equalising of standards across the football championship.
Smaller counties are getting the upmost best out of their pool of players. Louth, Roscommon, Sligo, Down, Kildare, Meath, Limerick, Monaghan,Wexford all got to where they are/did by getting a lot out of the small enough resources they have.
All these sides have played up to or even above their expected ability.
The likes of Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Derry etc and even Cork and Dublin are playing way below what they should be capable of. Cork are scraping by and if they dont combine as a team from the next game onwards - they will get beaten and win nothing and run the risk of having to deconstruct the entire team as the Dubs have done in order to start to bring them forward again.
Whether this experiment with Dublin will bear fruit this season or not remains to be seen, I suspect it will be next year before they hit top gear. Armagh are a young team making a comeback. Will see what they are like next year also.
Kerry and Tyrone are on form as usual - This 'form' is permanent though unlike the Early season form Monaghan had or the 'great qualifiers form' Kildare and Down have found - unlike Tyrone and Kerry, this form is temporary until they find a way to sustain it like the top two. For monaghan I fear its too late and they will have to deconstruct and start afresh (albeit with a good base of players).
Kerry's form is natural talent with football intelligence. Tyrone has football intelligence and supreme tactics (with talent too).
to see yesterdays teams all gift away hard won posession is striking compared to Kerry and Tyrone. Even yesterdays winners (ok I didnt see the Down game) gave away too much.
One thing that sets Kildare apart from all the other pretenders is their breaking ball (that dreadful term 'dirty ball' only signifies the muck on a football on a wet muddy day) winning ability. Thats three games in a row they have done this do its no fluke, and gives them a chance against any team.
Great form can get you to finals (monaghan to ulster fianal and sligo to connacht final - but if and when it goes wrong it can go spectacularly wrong !)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 25, 2010, 09:44:20 AM
2 poor games in Croker yesterday sorry I bothered me hole going along, Monaghan just were not interested in the game and the same old tactics of trying to run the ball just does not work for them, they are a frustating team to watch , and I'm on cooking duties for the week now !!
The amount of space on both wings that could have been exploited by Monaghan was shocking but their tactics are poor , and losing midfield did not help, they need a few Paul Gavins aroiund the Middle of the field , Finlay is completly wasted in the middle. As for Dessie Mone up to his usual tricks and the Monaghan sub who threw away a kildare player's boot did himself no favours.
Kildare did enough to scrape through and with their big players contributing very little they will be happy with that and they may trouble someone in the 1/4 if they can improve.
I think the loss to tyrone in the manner of how it happened just destroyed monaghans confidence. They tried a new ultra defensive tacktic yesterday it seems and lost their way in attack completely because of this.
Also think while rory woods is a bit on the dirty side - he isnt that bad and like a lot of players has hit a patch of poor form by his standards. When he plays well, he is a heck of a forward so dont criticise him on the back of two poor games.
Finally did anyone else think that both goals yesterday in the kildare v monaghan game should have been disallowed?
Kavanagh too a 'Martin Lynch' type of 8 steps with the ball along the end line before passing over for Sweeney to superbly flick the ball to the net?
Also The Monaghan lad was most def in the square before the ball for their goal.
If that armagh ref was umpiring at that end in the second half- then it proves that even intercounty refs cant get it right and we most def need video replay procedures for championship matches.
Great to be playing football at this time of the year and great to be back at Croke Park. I didn't think we'd have it in us to come through the back door after that bad evening in Navan at the start of June. Three quarter final appearances in three years under McGeeney and unbeaten in the qualifiers. That is good progress when you consider where we were starting from in 2008.
Kildare weren't at their best yesterday but still won fairly cosily. In fairness to Monaghan, they were very flat but it is desperately unfair to ask teams to turn out six days after a provincial final defeat. The wides are a bit of a concern but I'd be more concerned if we weren't creating those chances. JD probably had his worst game ever for Kildare in terms of shooting but he'll bounce back. He wasn't at the races at the same stage last year against Wicklow but he then came out and had a stormer against Tyrone in the quarter-final. Jimmers stepped up to the plate big time after being quiet enough up in Derry. Leper and Flynner were excellent again and on their performances this season they would both fully merit an All-Star nomination.
The big turnaround since Louth has been our defence. Peter Kelly has been a real find. The guy has everything you want in a corner-back and nothing seems to faze him. Hughie McGrillen is growing into the full-back role and his frequent gallops up the field often create an overlap because most forwards don't bother following him. McLoughlin is having a great season for a guy that has shipped a lot of criticism down the years. Emmet Bolton's form has improved no end and Morgan O'Flaherty is hoovering up the breaks.
I don't mind who we get in the quarters because we'll give anyone a good rattle. I'd prefer Tyrone to Kerry considering we ran them close last year and the Kildare players will believe they can beat them. A local derby with the Leinster 'Champions' would draw a big crowd and a match with Roscommon would be a poignant occasion for obvious reasons. We'll have to start well because if we give Tyrone or Kerry the head start we gave Leitrim, Derry and Monaghan we'll be halfway down the Naas Road before half time. I wouldn't be overly concerned about leaving Monaghan back into it at the end of the game yesterday though. The game was won midway through the second half but Kildare didn't empty themselves and with six games in six weeks, that could help us next weekend.
Shorty - Gave a bad ball away during the first half. Kickouts have improved since his introduction during the League.
Kelly - Kept Tommy Freeman fairly quiet. Hard to believe he was a largely unheard of Kildare Junior a few weeks ago.
McGrillen - Confident and composed on the ball. His natural attacking tendencies shine through but he's finding his feet at full-back.
Mac - His best game for Kildare in Croke Park in about six or seven years.
Morgan Flats - Wins a mountain of breaking ball and very rarely wastes it.
Bolton - Has really put his Navan nightmare behind him. His pace is a valuable asset on a big pitch like Croke Park.
Flanagan - Not exactly setting the world alight this season but not doing a lot wrong either.
Flynner - Are you Willie McCreery in disguise? The most improved Kildare player over the last year.
Earley - Shipped some heavy knocks and is still struggling with his knee. Hell of a player and leader.
Jimmers - Top class yesterday. Gave an exhibition of point taking and set up the goal.
Paudie - Not his best day at the office. Will be lucky to keep his place for the next day.
Donnelly - Similar to Paudie O'Neill. It's a miracle he's playing at all though considering he has no cruciate ligament at the moment!
JD - Can't recall him being so wasteful in ten years in the Kildare jersey. Still worked his backside off though.
Smith - Showed very well and created a lot of space for Jimmers running of the ball. Need more from him on the scoreboard to go further.
Leper - Playing out of his skin this year. His form has compensated for Mikey Conway's continued absence.
Subs
Eoghan Flats - Kicked a point with his first touch and got through a lot of ball. Deserves to start next weekend.
Roli - Demotion to the bench was probably the kick up the arse he needed. Kicked a good point and finished off the goal.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 24, 2010, 09:41:56 PM
Firstly a bit of perspective, 6 days is not enough time to recover after losing a provincial final, we've been on the receiving end a couple of times and it is quite simply not fair and needs to be addressed just don't understand why it has to be..
Kildare won but we didn't beat the real Monaghan but still we had a job a to do and our attiutde was professionally in its approach, nice to win with JD having an a bit of mare but regular Kildare watchers know we now have players who can step up to the mark when JD or Dermot are having off days, Jimmers was outstanding today shipped a bit of criticism last week as did Roli but Geezer has instilled such high standards that these players are their own worse critics and their response was excellent. Can't remember the last time I say John Doyle kick 6 wides in 1 half but we most be approaching a 100 wides this year but we are creating chances however from here on in we need to be far more clinical if we want to progress.
Someone said that Spilliane made an intelligent point at half time and that Kildare's warm-ups are so intense that it might be leading to our slow starts, he might be onto something for once.
I doubt anyone could doubt we are a top 8 side (except that mad wannabe Derry man Lynchbhoy) but this is our third year in the quarter-finals and we have to push on.
Hard to look beyond Jimmers for motm but Bolton was outstanding as was the full-back line who between the 3 of them only conceded 1 point from play. Finally intelligent management from Geezer today, used his bench well and took the gamble that we wouldn't be caught at the end to rest some players and give the squad game time..
It's always a roller coaster of emotions being a Kildare supporter but it's great fun none the less. Onwards and upwards, 6 in a row next week, is that a record?
Relatively impressed with kildare yesterday. A good side but lack a bit of class to make them a top team. Monaghan were knackered yesterday. Not sure Banty can bring anything else to the table at thsi satge.
QuoteThrowing away a boot? FFS would you get over yourself Kerry Mike.
Are you saying it didnt happen or that I should not be highlighting it...
Roli's revenge! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDxVF8wMwk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDxVF8wMwk)
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 25, 2010, 01:06:20 PM
Roli's revenge! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDxVF8wMwk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDxVF8wMwk)
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Very similiar to the Mallon tackle.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 25, 2010, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: The Konica on July 25, 2010, 07:33:09 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on July 24, 2010, 04:31:49 PM
I wouldnt say Woods is useless,but he doesnt have the physique to be out in the half forward line,If hes going to play at this level,it would have to be in the FF line where he can use his strength.
Woods has ability, but he's never been fit enough to play or have serious effect at Intercounty and probably never will at this stage.
Balls. Woods hasn't had a good year, but he's put in some great performances for Monaghan "at intercounty". Off the top of my head, he was MOTM for our game against Kerry in 2007 and the qualifier against Donegal in Ballybofey in 2008.
Don't agree. Woods has talent, but not fitness. Certainly not for anywhere other than the FF line. I don't think Woods is or has been lean or fit enough to finish a game strongly for Monaghan that I've seen, which is why his frustration comes out as he tires or can't get back to tackle men.
Quote from: Canalman on July 25, 2010, 10:44:51 AM
Honestly think this Monaghan team is crying out for a fresh face in charge. Nothing against McEneaney but I think he stayed on 1or 2 years too long. They seem a very dour bunch of lads and maybe need to play with a bit more carefreeeness.
Hard to disagree.
The first year he got the job, the County Board really only gave it to him because he had the Brother in Law on the backroom team, Monaghan & Scotstown legend, Gerry McCarville and I think Bernie Murray (?0
After the first year (or maybe it was the second year) he dropped his whole backroom team and brought in new faces.
This really seemed to work also as the new faces and voices refreshed things.
McElkennon came in then after he left Cavan and that improved their fitness, but it was also the start of a more negative style, which Monaghan have been accused of.
Of course Grimley comes in this year, has a limited effect
Banty may have stayed on too long - OR maybe he needed to drop his whole backroom staff and bring in two new men?
Banty certainly doesn't owe Monaghan anything and he'll be afforded 6 months if he wants to make his mind up and rightly so, but new blood or new ideas are probably needed.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 25, 2010, 10:47:01 AM
The problem is, once McEnaney goes, 4 or 5 are heading with him.
Yes, I'd imagine Freeman, McQuaid and McArdle would be considering their future. McArdle must be now 33 or 34 and apart from Dooher there's not many as old as him playing.
I don't think there'd be a deluge though.
Guys like Tommy Freeman, McManus, Hughes x2, Hanratty, Clerkin, Walshe etc all are good players and all have a few years left at the highest level and there would be players available to move into spots for Damien Freeman, McArdle or McQuaid.
The only guy Monaghan would probably worry about would be Lennon. They don't see to have many options at midfield at the minute and if he were to go they'd be in trouble or would struggle.
Though if you look at the way Tyrone played them, perhaps him retiring would be a great way to reassess the way they play midfield.
Ok, rambling now ... but to sum up, I don't think that would be the end of the line if managed properly and depending on who they replace Banty with.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2010, 12:22:56 PM
Relatively impressed with kildare yesterday. A good side but lack a bit of class to make them a top team. Monaghan were knackered yesterday. Not sure Banty can bring anything else to the table at thsi satge.
Agree. Options are ...
Banty Stays
- One more year with Grimley to give him a proper shot at changing the team
- Brings in another selector? (Martin McHugh)
Banty goes ...
- Grimley takes over (Very little Chance)
- McElkennon takes over (No Chance)
- Grimley & McElkennon joint role (No chance)
- Monaghan set up a Check point on the Armagh road and Hijack Pete McGrath on his way to the interview for the Cavan job and see if he's interested (A chance)
- Big Joe leaves Galway, Monaghan send a snatch team across the border at Cullaville and offer him the job (No Chance)
- Monaghan Native takes over
- Gerry McCarville (No Chance)
- Bernie Murray (Chance)
- Declan Lougman (Good Chance)
Who else?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 25, 2010, 11:25:57 AM
Finally did anyone else think that both goals yesterday in the kildare v monaghan game should have been disallowed?
Kavanagh too a 'Martin Lynch' type of 8 steps with the ball along the end line before passing over for Sweeney to superbly flick the ball to the net?
It looked about 7 or 8 steps. Also John Doyle gave the ball to Kavanagh with a one handed throw.
It again shows how farcical the refereeing of the handpass was in the first couple of weeks of the championship.
Yesterday in Croke Park there was only one thrown ball penalised all afternoon, even though there were several blatant occurrences.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 25, 2010, 11:25:57 AM
Finally did anyone else think that both goals yesterday in the kildare v monaghan game should have been disallowed?
Kavanagh too a 'Martin Lynch' type of 8 steps with the ball along the end line before passing over for Sweeney to superbly flick the ball to the net?
You're being kind to Martin LB. I think it was 13 steps for that goal against Wicklow! :D
Quote from: The Konica on July 25, 2010, 04:42:34 PM
Guys like Tommy Freeman, McManus, Hughes x2, Hanratty, Clerkin, Walshe etc all are good players and all have a few years left at the highest level
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few years left? :D
The Hughes brothers are 20 and 23, Hanratty is 23, McManus is 22 and Walshe is 19...
Quote from: The Konica on July 25, 2010, 04:42:34 PM
The only guy Monaghan would probably worry about would be Lennon. They don't see to have many options at midfield at the minute and if he were to go they'd be in trouble or would struggle.
Monaghan shouldn't worry about Lennon at all. He's hardly our most consistent player and some of his shooting is woeful. Darren Hughes may well be a long-term answer for midfield.
(You left out Tommy, he must be 28 or so now?)
Midfield will be a problem.
Think, who ... apart from Hughes is there? And Hughes isn't a natural midfielder either, he's 6'1" max and is more a CHB.
Neither Lennon nor Clerkin are outstanding MFer's who can carry a team and if you look at who else there is, there's no one.
Who else have you? Francis Caufield?
Monaghan would best best try and keep Lennon & Clerkin playing as long as possible until you can get a replacement trained in.
It's funny that would be one criticism of Banty in not bringing on cover for MF. (You did have a guy, big lad last year or the year before, but he got no football - McKenna lad was it?)
Do you expect Banty to stay on?
Quote from: The Konica on July 25, 2010, 06:19:12 PM
(You left out Tommy, he must be 28 or so now?)
I left Tommy and Dick out as they're the only ones you listed who are probably limited to a few years. Tommy is 29, Dick 28.
Exactly - Which is my point and is why I think Monaghan wouldn't be such a bad team for a good manager to take over if Banty decides to go.
You'll have a few retirements, but there's enough talent there to attract a good manager and possibly do something with.
QuoteJayzuz Dinny - a bit heavy with some of that ! Would you have said kildare were a top 8 team 6 weeks or two months ago !! Hardly!
As for the above- kildare are currently one of the top three maybe top four teams in the country on FORM right now.
However that imo doesnt mean they are one of the top 8 or 10 best sides.
Nothing wrong with a bit of eulogising after a good win, 2 months ago were Kildare top 8, of course not they crumbled in Navan, ill-prepared mentally and physically imho but that is one of the vagaries of championship football, statistical Kildare have been in the last 8 3 years in a row that is all I mean by a top 8 side. Kildare now expect to be in the last 8 every year, nothing wrong with belief, you won't win anything without it.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
QuoteJayzuz Dinny - a bit heavy with some of that ! Would you have said kildare were a top 8 team 6 weeks or two months ago !! Hardly!
As for the above- kildare are currently one of the top three maybe top four teams in the country on FORM right now.
However that imo doesnt mean they are one of the top 8 or 10 best sides.
Nothing wrong with a bit of eulogising after a good win, 2 months ago were Kildare top 8, of course not they crumbled in Navan, ill-prepared mentally and physically imho but that is one of the vagaries of championship football, statistical Kildare have been in the last 8 3 years in a row that is all I mean by a top 8 side. Kildare now expect to be in the last 8 every year, nothing wrong with belief, you won't win anything without it.
Kildare are probably top 8. it's baffling that they haven't made any impact in Leinster.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
QuoteJayzuz Dinny - a bit heavy with some of that ! Would you have said kildare were a top 8 team 6 weeks or two months ago !! Hardly!
As for the above- kildare are currently one of the top three maybe top four teams in the country on FORM right now.
However that imo doesnt mean they are one of the top 8 or 10 best sides.
Nothing wrong with a bit of eulogising after a good win, 2 months ago were Kildare top 8, of course not they crumbled in Navan, ill-prepared mentally and physically imho but that is one of the vagaries of championship football, statistical Kildare have been in the last 8 3 years in a row that is all I mean by a top 8 side. Kildare now expect to be in the last 8 every year, nothing wrong with belief, you won't win anything without it.
confidence - is the key requirement for any team to posess if they are to make the breakthrough. Flourbags have it in spades right now ! btw See how much better sweeney played when he was further out the field yesterday!
QuoteSee how much better sweeney played when he was further out the field yesterday!
True but he got a kick up the hole by being benched as well :)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2010, 06:55:58 PM
QuoteSee how much better sweeney played when he was further out the field yesterday!
True but he got a kick up the hole by being benched as well :)
dreadful decision, the guy always give 100% and putting him in FF was never going to work with the kind of ball being sent in (actually not sent in until last 15 mins when he was gone) - the ball was being delivered to hf line.
He doesnt play well with back to goal - he is a great man for breaking ball and heading towards goals with ball or as an option.
Apart from the breaking ball winning ability now in kildare, I still have yet to be convinced by the rookie manager - he is doing v well for a rookie but the likes of tommy Carew imo would have them even better prepared!
Lads I'd be surprised if Banty stays on now but the fact he's not saying anything yet wouldn't be a good sign. He's done alot for Monaghan football in getting us out of the doldrums and getting up to a relatively high level, but it seems like he's taken us as far as he can. Thing is if he goes we'll have a few retirements on our hands, which means the team will require a bit of rebuilding, in defence especially.
JP will quit regardless I'd imagine, and there's a good chance McArdle and Damien will go too(they're both 34 now), and possibly McQuaid aswell. That's 4 of our first choice defence, leaving a big hole there. I'd like to see Colm Greenan tried at full-back in the league if JP goes, think he's the future at full-back and did very well in the league until he got injured. Neil McAdam also did well in the league so he could come in and try and nail down a wing-back spot, these 2 lads along with Walsh and K Hughes showed well in defence when the older lads were out or injured during the league. Also at wing-forward Dermot Malone looked very promising before his unfortunate injury, even looking like he could have nailed down a championship spot in the same way that Walsh and Hughes did. The experience these young lads acquired in this years league will stand to them and it's important they get as big a role in next years one imo, and hopefully a few new lads are unearthed in the league to be tried out in the league. Konica is right though, a new midfield option is desperately needed, Caulfield isn't the answer I don't think. James Conlon looked like he could be an option but last year was out in different areas of defence and subsequently left the panel. He wouldn't come back under Banty but with new management he could be worth another look, depending on how he does this year.
I think you can cover those 4 retirements Schkite. (JP Moen has been in and out of the team I think for a while now, you managed without Freeman and McQuaid for a bit in the League and McArdle too) and you seem to have a few U21's comin along, so I think you can manage in defence.
Conlon!
That's another guy I thought was a very good option for you about 2 years ago. I was actually thinking of Benny McKenna (?). But no you're right Conlon is a far better option. What happened him?
From what I saw (and it's a while back now) he was a FAR more natural footballer than either Clerkin or Lennon and would be a perfect foil for one of those along side them midfield - or even as CHB, interchangeable with Hughes, though like I said I think Hughes might lack an inch or two for MF.
But even imagine a very athletic footballing MF of Conlon and Hughes against Tyrone 2 weeks ago? If you look at what Tyrone did, they more or less avoided MF and played the wings, almost completely neutralising the Monaghan size and strength advantage there. If you had Hughes and Conlon - or two like that - they wouldn't dominate in the air at all, but they'd have a great workrate, very comfortable on the ball and intelligence to match the Tyrone midfield game plan better.
I hope you made the right move if Banty goes.
It could be a critical few months for you. I don't see Banty deciding for a few weeks or even until September or October - which is as long as he deserves considering what he has done.
Hughes is bigger than clerkin
Eh, he is o wise one
hughes an excellent chb- i'd keep him there !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 26, 2010, 01:09:50 PM
hughes an excellent chb- i'd keep him there !
He is an excellent Centre Half Back and I'd leave him there too Lynch boy! A big attacking option.
I don't think he's as tall as Clerkin Duffle king, certainly not as strong or physical and I don't think he'd be big enough for MidField Konica, not yet. I think he's only about 24 too, so time on his side.
But there is no doubt Monaghan do seem to struggle around the middle - against Tyrone and Kildare they were cleaned out - especially against Kildare.
Will be interesting tosee what banty decides!
Quote from: JMohan on July 26, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 26, 2010, 01:09:50 PM
hughes an excellent chb- i'd keep him there !
He is an excellent Centre Half Back and I'd leave him there too Lynch boy! A big attacking option.
I don't think he's as tall as Clerkin Duffle king, certainly not as strong or physical and I don't think he'd be big enough for MidField Konica, not yet. I think he's only about 24 too, so time on his side.
But there is no doubt Monaghan do seem to struggle around the middle - against Tyrone and Kildare they were cleaned out - especially against Kildare.
Will be interesting tosee what banty decides!
Kildare are strong in midfield, very strong, they cleaned derry out in that sector also, and as with the monaghan game and derry game it dictated the result. Kildare won have won by a bagful only for taking Early off.
While other Monaghan players dropped their heads, those 2 Hughes lads from Scotstown continued to get stuck in.
2 good players those boys.
Quote from: orangeman on July 26, 2010, 01:29:47 PM
While other Monaghan players dropped their heads, those 2 Hughes lads from Scotstown continued to get stuck in.
2 good players those boys.
Yeh, too good players, the younger lad was better than I thought he'd be for his age
Christ there's no way Clerkin is only 6ft! Don't believe that for a second
(Not that it really matters)
I always thought Clerkin was quite small for a midfielder yet a good few people in Ulster seem to think he's a big man.
Our midfielders would tower over him.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2010, 10:12:08 PM
I always thought Clerkin was quite small for a midfielder yet a good few people in Ulster seem to think he's a big man.
Our midfielders would tower over him.
You're right he's not very tall, but certainly more that 6ft, I'm 6ft and he's taller than me and in fact another midfielder who isn't very tall at all either is Fergal Doherty.
What's Hub? 6'1" or 6'2"?
Have certainly remarked at recent games that Darren Hughes is a lot bigger than I previously thought, would not be surprised that he is taller than Clerkin.
Darragh Ó Sé is only 6ft.
Post match interview with Paul Grimley for any of the Monaghan lads interested: http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-podcasting/sport-podcasts/reaction-paul-grimley-24-7-10.html (http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-podcasting/sport-podcasts/reaction-paul-grimley-24-7-10.html)
Quote from: JMohan on July 26, 2010, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2010, 10:12:08 PM
I always thought Clerkin was quite small for a midfielder yet a good few people in Ulster seem to think he's a big man.
Our midfielders would tower over him.
You're right he's not very tall, but certainly more that 6ft, I'm 6ft and he's taller than me and in fact another midfielder who isn't very tall at all either is Fergal Doherty.
What's Hub? 6'1" or 6'2"?
He's not more than 6ft. Check the match programmes. He's known as a small midfielder. Maybe he looks bigger because of his build.
Or maybe you're just not 6ft. Have you been standing beside him?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 26, 2010, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 26, 2010, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2010, 10:12:08 PM
I always thought Clerkin was quite small for a midfielder yet a good few people in Ulster seem to think he's a big man.
Our midfielders would tower over him.
You're right he's not very tall, but certainly more that 6ft, I'm 6ft and he's taller than me and in fact another midfielder who isn't very tall at all either is Fergal Doherty.
What's Hub? 6'1" or 6'2"?
He's not more than 6ft. Check the match programmes. He's known as a small midfielder. Maybe he looks bigger because of his build.
Or maybe you're just not 6ft. Have you been standing beside him?
I don't care what it says in a program - theres no way Dara is 6ft, he's 6 1 min.
I've met all 3, and I'm 6ft on the button and all are taller than I.
i know dick well and darren a little less well. dick is 6ft max and darren is about 2 inches taller
Quote from: The Konica on July 27, 2010, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 26, 2010, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: JMohan on July 26, 2010, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2010, 10:12:08 PM
I always thought Clerkin was quite small for a midfielder yet a good few people in Ulster seem to think he's a big man.
Our midfielders would tower over him.
You're right he's not very tall, but certainly more that 6ft, I'm 6ft and he's taller than me and in fact another midfielder who isn't very tall at all either is Fergal Doherty.
What's Hub? 6'1" or 6'2"?
He's not more than 6ft. Check the match programmes. He's known as a small midfielder. Maybe he looks bigger because of his build.
Or maybe you're just not 6ft. Have you been standing beside him?
I don't care what it says in a program - theres no way Dara is 6ft, he's 6 1 min.
I've met all 3, and I'm 6ft on the button and all are taller than I.
Who's Dara?