Poll
Question:
Who would you like to see as Mayo Manager in 2010
Option 1: James Horan
Option 2: Tommy Lyons
Option 3: Anthony McGarry
Option 4: John Maughan
Yet another post-mortem after another gutless defeat.
To lose playing to potential is one thing. To put in such a clueless pathetic display is another.
5 seasons ago Mayo were in an All Ireland Final. Somewhat luckily but bar the two All Ireland Finals against Kerry when our weaknesses were exposed cruelly at the highest level we were competitive, proud, organised and had our passionate supporters were full square behind the team.
Mickey Moran and John Morrison were convenient scapegoats for a County Board who saw a man on the sidelines who had all the answers in print and who was lined up to run in a General Election. The rest is history as we know and politics came before football and we have paid for those decisions ever since.
What we have seen in the intervening 4 years has been pathetic. 5 Championship wins - over New York; over pathetic Sligo, Cavan and Roscommon teams, and last years Connacht Final. Thrashings to Galway and Derry in year one; capitulation against Galway and Tyrone in year 2 when the game was there for the winning; destruction by Meath in year 3 and now we are a pathetic bunch in Sligo in year 4 with no future for 2010. I don't think that anybody could point to one positive development for Mayo football by this management team, or one player that they have improved and that is a serious indictment of their tenure.
Fans have been told to be patient. These are players that have won Connacht underage titles for fun but have not been improved at senior level and supporters are unreasonable to demand even a provincial level of decent performance and success. Yes they have their flaws. They are not good enough to win Sam but they are good enough to compete with all bar the very best if given a structure gameplan with a consistent approach and selection. Each season players have been allowed to take winters off but yet can walk on to the team come Summer. Yesterday the only solution to a crisis was Billie Joe Padden. We started with a team that had never played together. With a centre half back that was out for 14 months.With a full back line that failed last Summer against Meath. With a captain who has been off the pace for the past 6 months at a minimum. With a hollow "superstar" anointed by some Mayo supporters two years ago that saunters around the pitch with his hands on his hips. And with no game plan.
The bunch of players that are there can be better. And Mayo football now needs its pride back. The inevitable is coming so John, please for the good of Mayo football do the decent team and step down today. .
The solution for this Summer is to try and win a few games and inject some pride. The players may respond to a new voice. They will escape a lot of the criticism because of the pathetic managerial performance. You just wonder what the hell money is being spent on fitness training, on strength and conditioning etc etc because there is no discernable improvement.The whole plan put in place has been a massive massive failure and the word has been out for some time that the players do not like and are not responding to the manager.
The solution long-term - I don't know.
For this Summer though - the response could be a threesome of Forde, Connelly, and Brady. Men who embody steel, commitment and passion for the green and red and who could get this players on a right step to hopefully a brighter future.
There is so much more that you could say about an organisation in the Countythat is rotten to the core but why bother.... The same faces have run the show for 30/40 year sand until the clubs stand up for change and somebody puts themselves forward to change things that will all stay the same.
I agree with all said here, JOM has to go. The thing is that he will not willingly go I imagine. You see what that ass managing limericks hurler done, he was more important than the pride of a county and its best players, we will have the same here.
The new man would need to be tactically tuned in, and the likes of brady and dempsey along with him would make some of our stars sit up and take notice.
T mort and t parsons are shells of what they should be, aos and mcgarrity have regressed to the point of being pasengers. Only Andy and freeman made any impression on the game, andy throughout was busting his ass and was exactly what all Mayo players should be.
The playerst are unsure because the manager is unsure, t mort and co are finished as long as this crowd are running the show.
Summed up far more eloquently than I could ever do by An Spailpin:
http://spailpin.blogspot.com/ (http://spailpin.blogspot.com/)
The most eloquently piece put together by anyone on here regarding Mayo football Barney. Where werre all the Mayo fans yesterday? Oh yes, Johnno has managed to do one thing and that was dampen expectation. >:(
Quote from: mannix on June 06, 2010, 10:09:58 AM
I agree with all said here, JOM has to go. The thing is that he will not willingly go I imagine. You see what that ass managing limericks hurler done, he was more important than the pride of a county and its best players, we will have the same here.
The new man would need to be tactically tuned in, and the likes of brady and dempsey along with him would make some of our stars sit up and take notice.
T mort and t parsons are shells of what they should be, aos and mcgarrity have regressed to the point of being pasengers. Only Andy and freeman made any impression on the game, andy throughout was busting his ass and was exactly what all Mayo players should be.
The playerst are unsure because the manager is unsure, t mort and co are finished as long as this crowd are running the show.
A very depressing morning after. I do not believe in kicking someone when they are down, but as the old saying goes, "you can delegate authority, but not responsibility)
I did observe one thing, the body language of quiet a few players was terrible, it was almost like they did not care, an indicment not just on the manager but also the coaching staff. (there is as little confidence in them as there is in their boss)
when your centre back, centre forward, and two midfielders are as poor as they were yesterday, then no team can win a game. I said it at half-time yesterday that the kicking of trev mortimer and Mcgarrity was atrocious. That is a basic skill, how on earth can you have players with such obvious weaknesses be pivitol players on your team. Aiden Higgings on a bad day would have probably been better at corner back.
Will the return of Dillion, Barret, Kilcoyne, Howley, a fully fit Barry Moran (an oxymoron), a fit Aiden O Shea and whoever I missed, save anything from this season. I personally doubt it. If it was me I would not call another traing session before the 1st qualifier and let the chips fall where they may.
O'Mahoney's decline since 2001 AI win with Galway.
with Galway
2002
Beat Roscommon
Beat Mayo
Beat Sligo
Lost Kerry
2003
Beat Roscommon
Beat Leitrim
Beat Mayo
Drew Donegal
Lost Donegal
2004
Beat London
Lost Mayo
Beat Louth
Lost Tyrone
with Mayo
2007
Lost Galway
Lost Derry
2008
Beat Sligo
Lost Galway
Lost Tyrone
2009
Beat New York
Beat Roscommon
Beat Galway
Lost Meath
2010
Lost Sligo
Wins 12 Lost 10 Drew 1 (two of the wins have been against New York and London)
Louth only county beaten outside Connacht.
Mayo managed to beat Cavan in 2007 FtB. Not saying that's any great statistic either.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
Mayo managed to beat Cavan in 2007 FtB. Not saying that's any great statistic either.
missed that one thanx :-[
A few people around last night expressed the view that the team should be taken out of the qualifiers - the women's team were taken out for less. there is no point continuing with this charade and embarrassment.
At one stage yesterday when Clarkey collected a ball dropping short about 6 players who should have been looking for space to take the ball off him turned their backs on him. That was with 20 minutes to go and no urgency, no moral courage, only fear and cowardice. I have little sympathy for most Mayo fans to be honest. Most wanted this appointment and have defended it even though it has been clear from the start that it was going to dumb us back years. When the inevitable happens in a few weeks it will take some rescue project to turn things around. He left Galway in a poor state, but by God we are going to be at a lower level entirely.Several players are for the scrap heap - and it wasn't All Ireland maulings that put them there. Hanley was lucky he got away to Australia _ otherwise he would have been moping about Markievicz Park as well yesterday.
Agree Barney. Time for him to go.. If the clubs feel strongly enough about this, they can change things. Or everyone can sit on their hands again and allow clems to make stupid decisions or to play to their own agendas. People have to decide if they care enough to change. If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got.
I would hope JOM has enough cop on to go now and make things easier. But I'm not foolish enough to expect that.
Quote from: moysider on June 06, 2010, 03:57:34 PM
A few people around last night expressed the view that the team should be taken out of the qualifiers - the women's team were taken out for less. there is no point continuing with this charade and embarrassment.
ah, i can see/feel your hurt but there is a level of gamesmanship you have to adhere to. What would you think if Waterford, Carlow pulled out of the championship cause they seen no point in it. There has to be losers, and at the moment we are in this bracket. As a matter of responsibility O'Mahoney has to stay on untill we are out of the championship. God knows i'd say he would have packed it in after the League Final v Cork, but what use would that have been so late in the year.
I know. I know. But this has been a disaster. At the very latest he should have gone after Meath last year. Preferably after the Derry game 2007. Ideally should never have been there at all. Writing off another Summer just isn't good enough. The board needs to appoint a caretaker manager for the next game. As regards his responsibilities, he has abdicated his responsibilities throughout his tenure. It has been as arrogant and selfish a stewardship of any boss in a sport that i can recall.
moysider you are spot on.
I would never have been one of those calling for JOM to take charge of Mayo but I did hope that when he did that it could be a positive given especially that he appeared to be a lucky general.
But it was very much a political project by a County Board that has focused on either Padraig Nally, Fine Gael or their own internal battles. What hope have we when the people leading the organisation in the county have no idea where they are going, where they want to go or how they are going to get there.
And it was known that our first game would come in the middle of a General Election. And on the day before Johnno was on the news with canvassing with birds of prey in Ballina with Enda Kenny. And we were humiliated but yet the people of Mayo still bought the guff and returned him to the Dail!! Well the vultures are definitely circling now/
He will go at the end of this Summer and us supporters will be laughed at by outsiders in the press who only tune into Mayo GAA when it appears that there could be blood on the dancefloor.
And even by last year and the capitulation against Meath there was no shake-up of selectors despite no leadership on the line; no change in fitness coaching despite us lagging late in games. And that is why we are where are we are today. A project destroyed. A generation of talent lost. And facing a debt-laden future of mediocrity. No matter who comes in now it is hard to see where the dramatic change can come from. Fellas that had big ability have had their spirit broken and have missed crucial years of development but sadly are not strong enough personalities to develop and improve from now.
Just one example of the cluelessness can be easily seen.
In Year 1 his answer to the big problem centre half back - Billie Joe.
In Year 2 we had a problem at full back - Billie Joe.
And still yesterday Billie Joe was his only answer.
I have just ignored considered medical advice to avoid stress at all costs and sat through a rerun of that game, courtesy of RTE Sport. I share one characteristic with John O'Mahony; I also ignore reality on a frequent basis, oblivious of the considerable cost involved and the torrents of criticism directed at me.
Well, okay, the costs are of a financial nature as I sit and listen to a pack of hoors who never followed Mayo football and the criticism/abuse/ thinly veiled threats hopped off me are coming from those near and dear to me- who really should know better.
But I really feel that Johnno is a far bigger basket case than me as he seems quite ready to face up to all of civilisation as we know it and keeps his face straight and his voice unwavering as he blathers into the nearest microphone about the need to sit down reassess the situation; regroup; reform, redress and every other effing re you can think of –with the unfortunate exception of retire.
So, with a marked lack of enthusiasm I launched the RTE Player. It took dedication of Sligonianic proportions to the cause to hang in and watch the entire debacle. I knew in advance what I would be looking for; the body language of the players and spectators and the comments of the commentators.
We were a beaten docket from the throw in.
I have never, ever seen Mayo fans in such subdued form; it was as if they were listening to a speech lecture from Enda Kenny. Even the good Enda himself would appear positively animated in comparison to the majority of the players on show.
"...and their old failings have come back to haunt them," was a comment from Tony Davis as Connoreen blasted another yet another easy chance wide.
"While Sligo are growing in stature, Mayo are hiding; they are not showing for the ball," was another observation as yet another attempt at an attack broke down.
The bould Davis wasn't quite finished yet. "It's a very different Mayo team from the last Connacht Final; I'll tell you that," sez he as the ref mercifully called a halt to proceedings.
His overall, damning assessment of Mayo's display was, "They are just not good enough, Dara."
Anyone care to take issue with Tony Davis? Unfortunately, I can't because I'm not quite that much detached from reality but Johnno's take on the game is another matter.
"We'll regroup, we'll see where we are, we'll move on," somehow sounds the alarm bells for me.
I honestly thought he was making progress with his latest team building plans and maybe he was as he just cannot hang on to the Old Brigade indefinitely but I honestly can't see anything other than spectacular implosions from his team, followed by irrational reactions from himself if things continue in present fashion.
I am conscious of the considerable strain on his time and resources that double jobbing entail and I have no doubts whatsoever about his good intentions but maybe he should pay heed to the opinions of Tony Davis and reflect on the parting one. Maybe he, like his team, just isn't good enough.
Five star post, Lar.
By the way, forget about expecting Johnno to go. Irish politicians don't resign.
Quote from: Hardy on June 07, 2010, 10:35:29 AM
Five star post, Lar.
By the way, forget about expecting Johnno to go. Irish politicians don't resign.
True but he could jumo ship to Wexford and improve on his expences.
Quote from: Hardy on June 07, 2010, 10:35:29 AM
Five star post, Lar.
By the way, forget about expecting Johnno to go. Irish politicians don't resign.
You might manage to get a tribunal out of it though.
The "Where did the Mayo team go Tribunal?"
Halfway through the Tribunal, JOM will of course lose his memory and get excused.
He will then miraculously find his memory again when the dust has settled and finally take over as Dublin's first outside manager, and then, if he is really cute, and if he has been paying any attention at all to his buddies in Leinster House, he should be able to claim mileage to and from work from Ballaghderrean and then mileage to and from training from Ballaghderrean as well.
I'm a neutral and never been a massive Mayo fan, but having read the Keith Duggan book "House of Pain" I have developed a bit of a soft spot for them in recent times and I was hoping that JOM would turn things around. It's looking decidedly unlikely at this point, but Mayo do deserve a break.
QuoteIt's looking decidedly unlikely at this point, but Mayo do deserve a break.
Looks like they will have one soon!!!
Unlikely that Johnno will step down before qualifiers but he should. Unfortunately for Mayo he has nothing left to offer and I think he knows that but politics dictate that he has to stay in. Last year a good friend of mine an ex-Mayo player (and a Blueshirt!!!) told me that there was a lot uf disquiet in the camp over the way his political prioriites took precedence over football e.g. having to take phone calls during training sessions, etc. Yesterday Liam Horan and today Ray Silke have both written about this - its just impossible to do the two jobs.
Asise from politics I have found it impossible to see what O'Mahony has been trying to do over the past 4 seasons. No particular style has evolved, no new leaders and or tactics. In short he has brought nothing new to the table except false optimism for a lot of Mayo follower. Mayo have a good panel players but they need leadership and passion and Im afraid Johnno can no longer provide this. He came back to Mayo for the wrong reasons, undermined 2 managers (Maughan and M&M) and heshould now do the decent thing and go.
The shame for Mayo is the rush to rid the county of Moran and Morrisson after bringing them to the All Ireland Final. By all accounts players loved the training and sure hell Mayo seemed to know what they were about.
Maybe they should bring them back.
while it is probably time for johnno to go that doesnt gaurantee the next man in will make any difference either as I feel its deeper than just the manager. the whole thing stinks of politics and who knows who and yes men all over the place.I feel P forde took no crap from them when approched before Moran & Morrison and thats why he never got in as Manager . I might be wrong
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 08, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
QuoteIt's looking decidedly unlikely at this point, but Mayo do deserve a break.
Looks like they will have one soon!!!
Unlikely that Johnno will step down before qualifiers but he should. Unfortunately for Mayo he has nothing left to offer and I think he knows that but politics dictate that he has to stay in. Last year a good friend of mine an ex-Mayo player (and a Blueshirt!!!) told me that there was a lot uf disquiet in the camp over the way his political prioriites took precedence over football e.g. having to take phone calls during training sessions, etc. Yesterday Liam Horan and today Ray Silke have both written about this - its just impossible to do the two jobs.
Asise from politics I have found it impossible to see what O'Mahony has been trying to do over the past 4 seasons. No particular style has evolved, no new leaders and or tactics. In short he has brought nothing new to the table except false optimism for a lot of Mayo follower. Mayo have a good panel players but they need leadership and passion and Im afraid Johnno can no longer provide this. He came back to Mayo for the wrong reasons, undermined 2 managers (Maughan and M&M) and heshould now do the decent thing and go.
Yeah, big man full forward lines have been tried and abandoned, and tried and abandoned and this has been in one half of a game. No consistency. Volitile players have been picked for captaincy. There has been no Plan B.
Anyway, had a excellent evolving group of players from 96-06. This has dried up a little (as can be expected). Are we expecting to much from our present county players?
(http://www.mayogaa.com/images/football/pgal/johnomahony.jpg)
What year was it Mayo won the U21?
There should be a few good players coming through. I would have to say though - Higgins and Gardiner aside I don't know any of your defenders. I don't know them because none of them stand out at all - they all seem quite average. Players like Kilcoyne, Higgins (though I think he would be a cracking half back rather than corner back), that young FF, O'shea(probably x 2) and Parsons can be developed. Not with current setup.
From the outside looking in it is very hard to see what good O'Mahoney has done for Mayo. They have gone very far backwards.
If you had no players that would be bad however the lack of heart shown was unforgiveable. The players have to take some responsibility for that too though.
The Mayo support put too much pressure on the players though...
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2010, 11:05:43 PM
What year was it Mayo won the U21?
There should be a few good players coming through. I would have to say though - Higgins and Gardiner aside I don't know any of your defenders. I don't know them because none of them stand out at all - they all seem quite average. Players like Kilcoyne, Higgins (though I think he would be a cracking half back rather than corner back), that young FF, O'shea(probably x 2) and Parsons can be developed. Not with current setup.
From the outside looking in it is very hard to see what good O'Mahoney has done for Mayo. They have gone very far backwards.
If you had no players that would be bad however the lack of heart shown was unforgiveable. The players have to take some responsibility for that too though.
The Mayo support put too much pressure on the players though...
2006.
Many felt there were only 2 maybe 3 forwards with IC potential on that team. Kilcoyne and Ronaldson (who probably wasn't one of those tipped for the future) are the only ones still around. As for the backs on that team 5 of the 6 are still on the panel and I think the other one played last year.
Midfield was Barry Moran and SOS.
Morale, game plan and the middle 8 players are most of our problems in that order.
These were the teams that started that day:
CORK: K O'Halloran; R Carey, C Murphy, S O'Donoghue; D Limerick, M Shields, E Cadogan; A O'Connor, P Kelly; F Gould, C Keane, P Kerrigan (capt); D Goulding, P O'Flynn, J Hayes.
Subs used: G O'Shea for Hayes (44 mins), F Lynch for Kelly (52)
MAYO: K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (capt); C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon, A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy
If they played now I would bet my life that Cork would hammer us.
Gees that just shows you - look at how some of those cork guys have developed.
The first two problems you state are problems a manager has control over which pretty much sums it up I think...
Your middle 8 wasn't good at the weekend. You have some players who could help that though.
Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2010, 11:05:43 PM
What year was it Mayo won the U21?
There should be a few good players coming through. I would have to say though - Higgins and Gardiner aside I don't know any of your defenders. I don't know them because none of them stand out at all - they all seem quite average. Players like Kilcoyne, Higgins (though I think he would be a cracking half back rather than corner back), that young FF, O'shea(probably x 2) and Parsons can be developed. Not with current setup.
From the outside looking in it is very hard to see what good O'Mahoney has done for Mayo. They have gone very far backwards.
If you had no players that would be bad however the lack of heart shown was unforgiveable. The players have to take some responsibility for that too though.
The Mayo support put too much pressure on the players though...
2006.
Many felt there were only 2 maybe 3 forwards with IC potential on that team. Kilcoyne and Ronaldson (who probably wasn't one of those tipped for the future) are the only ones still around. As for the backs on that team 5 of the 6 are still on the panel and I think the other one played last year.
Midfield was Barry Moran and SOS.
Morale, game plan and the middle 8 players are most of our problems in that order.
These were the teams that started that day:
CORK: K O'Halloran; R Carey, C Murphy, S O'Donoghue; D Limerick, M Shields, E Cadogan; A O'Connor, P Kelly; F Gould, C Keane, P Kerrigan (capt); D Goulding, P O'Flynn, J Hayes.
Subs used: G O'Shea for Hayes (44 mins), F Lynch for Kelly (52)
MAYO: K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (capt); C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon, A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy
If they played now I would bet my life that Cork would hammer us.
How the hell did we manage to beat that Cork team? I mean, I was at the game so I know that it definitely happened, but it seems unbelievable now when you look at who they had on that day.
Sad to see a great Co. like Mayo, with such a wealth of potential, at such a low ebb. There is certainly something seriously lacking in a management , who put that team out against Sligo so ill prepared. From the start they lacked committment, belief, or any sense of cohesion. Morale appeared very low, and they were certainly not up for it. Players must accept some responsibility for defeat, but ultimately in this case, the real failure was weak management
As I prepared to leave the grounds last Saturday, a thought struck me -as did as couple of belts from a very drunk Sligo head who had come down with me for the game and got carried away in the pre-match warm up but no matter, retribution would come in it's own good time.
I looked around for St Patrick; I needed to talk to that fella fast. So I told me buddy he was undoubtedly the offspring of unmarried parents or something like that and advised him to go and empty the tank before he did so in my car and I set off on my mission.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
Mayo football was definitely in a state of chassis, as Sean O'Casey might have put it, but I was looking for the one man who had all the necessary qualifications to step up to the mark and lead us up the Holy Mountain and into the light once more.
Well, at worst, he was no more detached from reality than the individual who was supposed to be doing do that for the last four years or thereabouts.
"Paddy," sez I, "are you by any chance interested in a career change?"
I was met by a blank stare and I'd swear a look of terror crossed his face. I wasn't touching base with him and that was for sure. I decided to try a different approach.
So I put a friendly hand on his shoulder and helped him turn sideways to look down the field. For some reason he stumbled and almost lost his balance. A bit flatfooted, I thought but that shouldn't be any problem as the shagger I wanted him to replace is just as bad.
"See that laitcheko out there? He has to go and I think you are the only one in Mayo mad enough to take over. At least, you couldn't do a worse job than he does."
I stabbed a finger a few times in the direction of the individual I had in mind.
I definitely had his total attention at this stage as he attempted to lift his rolled up banner and began to shake from head to toe- and back again by all appearances.
"Stall the wheeze a bit," I told him. "You can proclaim yer message later. Tell me, do you want to be the effin' manager of the effin' Mayo effin' football team?"
Madness has its limitations.
The venerable saint managed to break away with a look of absolute horror on his dial. He looked down the field at O'Mahony and back at me a couple of times. He then shook his head slowly from side to side. After that he swung around and actually ran away!
"Shag it," I thought as I watched him make distance between us. "I could find a use for that banner if only he dropped it."
I'm told suppositories come in all shapes and sizes.
Is it just me or is our timing always wrong with players coming through and managers to manage them....
i.e. If we had a team in 2010 with a spine of Nallen, Brady, McDonald and K.O'Neill then we would probably have a chance of winning this years AI, particularly based on the standards set so far.
I don't think the AI will take much winning this year and with no disrespect intended one of the following teams will probably win it;
Down
Dublin
Monaghan
with the likely winner the Dubs.
If only Johnno had players to select from today that we had in 96, 97 and 06.
A new manager won't make a bit of difference. We have only 3 or 4 natural footballers in the panel.
I think it is a bit cheap to take pot shots at the manager without looking at the whole picture. Since I can remember Mayo football teams have always been lacking in bottle when things were put up to them. They may talk that they have it but in the last 20 years I have seen so many different Mayo team capitulate at different times. They are there or thereabouts until a certain point and then they seem to disappear, nearly like they are afraid to win because if they won then they would have nothing to complain about! I recall an incident I was involved in where there was a bit of "trash talking" going on betwene myself, a team mate and a prominent Mayo footballer at the time. This man physically shrank as we kept reminding him how Mayo teams always lose big games, it was a strange sight but the same man didin't go for the next few balls. This seems like an ingrained inferiority complex that has been fed by the media and players have become used to hearing "Will Mayo ever make the breakthrough?" and they cannot get away from it. I cannot see an answer for this apart from banning media in Mayo for 10 years, and that may be a flippant comment but the reality is that I believe that deep down there is a sense of failure and a willingness to find a scapegoat before a ball has been kicked.
Quote from: highorlow on June 09, 2010, 10:21:30 AM
Is it just me or is our timing always wrong with players coming through and managers to manage them....
i.e. If we had a team in 2010 with a spine of Nallen, Brady, McDonald and K.O'Neill then we would probably have a chance of winning this years AI, particularly based on the standards set so far.
I don't think the AI will take much winning this year and with no disrespect intended one of the following teams will probably win it;
Down
Dublin
Monaghan
with the likely winner the Dubs.
If only Johnno had players to select from today that we had in 96, 97 and 06.
A new manager won't make a bit of difference. We have only 3 or 4 natural footballers in the panel.
Dublin, Down, Monaghan............will win an AI? ;D ;D ;D
Jez, them counties are well off the mark yet!
On the 96-06 players Johnno still would not get them past the line as these players had 5 AI finals to sort that out and could not do it, so why would they be in a better position this year?
agree with brokencrossbar1, its not just the manager at fault here. Something wrong with the whole pysche of mayo footballers, year in year out, same story. Not that I think JOM is anything great, he needs to stick to politics for a while give football a miss. I really think Mayo need a confidence manager, the likes of Boylan, Harte, O Dwyer etc.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 09, 2010, 10:36:32 AM
I think it is a bit cheap to take pot shots at the manager without looking at the whole picture. Since I can remember Mayo football teams have always been lacking in bottle when things were put up to them. They may talk that they have it but in the last 20 years I have seen so many different Mayo team capitulate at different times. They are there or thereabouts until a certain point and then they seem to disappear, nearly like they are afraid to win because if they won then they would have nothing to complain about! I recall an incident I was involved in where there was a bit of "trash talking" going on betwene myself, a team mate and a prominent Mayo footballer at the time. This man physically shrank as we kept reminding him how Mayo teams always lose big games, it was a strange sight but the same man didin't go for the next few balls. This seems like an ingrained inferiority complex that has been fed by the media and players have become used to hearing "Will Mayo ever make the breakthrough?" and they cannot get away from it. I cannot see an answer for this apart from banning media in Mayo for 10 years, and that may be a flippant comment but the reality is that I believe that deep down there is a sense of failure and a willingness to find a scapegoat before a ball has been kicked.
I think you're being a superficial here.
Your point is that Mayo always lose big games. So how do you define big games?
Mayo lost all those All-Irelands sure, but they had to win a few big games to get there in the first place, don't you think?
Also, if you look at All-Irelands I think you'll see that they weren't all choke jobs. In fact I would only put 1997 down as a choke per say (and an unwillingness to foul Maurice Fitzgerald, as was pointed out to my friends and me when we stopped off in Ballivor, Co Meath, on the way home that night, I might add). 2006 I'm not sure Mayo could have won. Kerry were pretty good that year. 2004 Mayo were looking for trouble in their team selection and golly Brokencrossbar, I'd say they were a biteen unlucky in both games in 1996.
You might get that fella that physically shrank to see the doctor, btw. Very rare condition, shrinking. Did he go down bones and all, or did the flesh just sort of tighten over the bones, like one of those vacuum bags that are so handy for packing? I'd get him to see the doc either way. Just for his own sake, like.
Quote from: highorlow on June 09, 2010, 10:21:30 AM
Is it just me or is our timing always wrong with players coming through and managers to manage them....
i.e. If we had a team in 2010 with a spine of Nallen, Brady, McDonald and K.O'Neill then we would probably have a chance of winning this years AI, particularly based on the standards set so far.
I don't think the AI will take much winning this year and with no disrespect intended one of the following teams will probably win it;
Down
Dublin
Monaghan
with the likely winner the Dubs.
If only Johnno had players to select from today that we had in 96, 97 and 06.
A new manager won't make a bit of difference. We have only 3 or 4 natural footballers in the panel.
well you put money on it then. for me, it'll be either kerry, cork or tyrone!!!
I was reminded of the strange genie that burst forth from the Mayo bottle back in 1989, when I chanced upon that year's Mayo Yearbook recently. It makes for interesting reading.
From the moment Mayo put back to back Connacht titles together that summer - following a classic extra-time replay win in Hyde Park - a mania descended upon the county.
They'd always been super optimists in Mayo – which gave us many a chuckle down the years - but '89 saw that optimism raised an extra notch or two if that were possible.
1989 was the first occasion for Mayo to win back to back provincial titles since the hallowed year of '51. It was interpreted by Mayoites as a sure sign that, as in '51, Sam would soon be following on. In fact, you get the sense of its inevitability rising off the pages and indeed, that was the feeling amongst the Mayo followers around the place at the time too. It was a time of heightened optimism for them.
Sam would be the missing piece in the jigsaw. The transformation of Mayo into a county of modern prosperous people would be complete when Sam Maguire was brought home again. Knock Airport had been opened earlier in the decade against all the odds. Flying Sam in one September soon would complete the metamorphosis of the county and its people.
Ulster opponents Tyrone were targeted in the AISF & sure enough, an All-Ireland place was attained.
Mayoites talk to this day of Anthony Larry's missed goal chance, but the talk amongst the players was of several spurned point scoring opportunities following his first goal, as being the real reason Sam wasn't won that day.
There was also much talk of 'Keeping The Faith' back in '89 – ye're all familiar with the famous photo which shows a young Johnno looking totally gutted after the final whistle was blown...
The team returned to Mayo, on a special Ryanair flight into Knock Airport, which was greeted by an astonishing 10,000 people. There then commenced ongoing celebratory functions for the team, at every crossroads and village pub the length and breadth of the county. Mayo is a damn big county & it took the team several months to get around to everywhere.
Tellingly, everyone was declared to be delighted and proud that they'd managed to come to within a few points of Cork. Not only that, but hadn't they taken over Dublin and didn't the neutrals love them for their plucky showing!
Mayoites in the capital would now be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with their Jackeen counterparts in the city bars.
Yup, they were halcyon days for natives of the county in the aftermath of the '89 AI defeat. Mayo people could puff out their chests and take pride in who they were. And sure never mind the loss, it wasn't a loss really, wouldn't Sam soon inevitably be coming home again.
Disconcertingly though, one photo in the yearbook shows team captain Jimmy Browne fighting back the tears at the welcome his own people gave the team, upon their arrival in Ballina.
Nine years earlier, we had seen our own Rossie team fail in an All-Ireland final. The homecoming on the following night was a bittersweet occasion. While proud of our lads achievement in reaching the final, there was no celebrating the defeat to Kerry. It was a formality that had to be endured. Needless to say, the celebrations of the Mayoites after their own loss was very strange and puzzling to us back in '89.
Anyway, enough of such palaver. I have to say I feel a bit sorry for Johnno in his current predicament.
I wonder what he'd give for more innocent times, when leading Mayo to AIF defeat was celebrated by Mayo people as much, if not more so, than winning Sam Maguire itself.
Back in 1989 Johnno brought Mayo to their first All-Ireland final since 1951. He unwittingly unleashed a monster, which could well devour him sometime soon, one feels.
As for politics, it's the most treacherous profession of them all – the hand that clapped you on the back yesterday will be the hand sinking the knife into your back today, nothing surer.
I was only 2 back then spectator. However, my dad blames O'Mahony for losing that final in 89 for leaving John Finn on his man for too long. Needles to say I haven't seen the game and my dad said the homecomings were ridiculously stupid for a losing team.
I don t remember doing any celebrating '89. There is always enough ludramáns about though for a free show and a piss up. Football people at the time were disappointed and annoyed at a golden opportunity let slip. Johnno got a lot of blame for the loss to be honest and those same people have never really trusted him since. What was more annoying over the following 2 years was how the team was allowed to disintegrate without any success at introducing new players. It took 4 years to recover from Johnno s term the last time. A similar transition again would see us up to 2015 before we shake off the malaise of the last 4 years and assuming he stays on next year as well.
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
Football people at the time were disappointed and annoyed at a golden opportunity let slip. Johnno got a lot of blame for the loss to be honest and those same people have never really trusted him since.
How was he blamed moysider & what did he not do which caused the defeat? Who has never really trusted him since as a result?
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
What was more annoying over the following 2 years was how the team was allowed to disintegrate without any success at introducing new players. It took 4 years to recover from Johnno s term the last time.
Not disagreeing with what you've said there, but according to the editor of The Western People Mayo were well set up to be All-Ireland champs in 1991 ...
"
John O'Mahony's first period in charge came a cropper in 1991 when Derek Duggan's long range free-kick effectively dumped Mayo out of the championship. I have always believed that had Mayo emerged from Connacht that year they might have been genuine contenders in an All-Ireland semi-final against an aging Meath team exhausted after their epic struggle with Dublin. At any rate,Mayo bowed out and John O'Mahony fell foul of the county board (or was it the other way around?), thus inaugurating a ten-year period that saw five different managers at the helm."
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eygbeyidgb
Has the 1991 row ever been gone into in any detail? Wasn't it effectively a power struggle between Johnno & the county board over whether Johnno would be allowed to pick his own selectors, iirc?
QuoteWho has never really trusted him since as a result?
My old boy spectator. He said he should never have been given the job in 07, no wonder he has gone to only a handful of games. He really has a grudge against him for losing the 89 final and possibly allowing the whole thing disintegrate afterwards.
Quote from: spectator on June 09, 2010, 10:08:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
Football people at the time were disappointed and annoyed at a golden opportunity let slip. Johnno got a lot of blame for the loss to be honest and those same people have never really trusted him since.
How was he blamed moysider & what did he not do which caused the defeat? Who has never really trusted him since as a result?
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
What was more annoying over the following 2 years was how the team was allowed to disintegrate without any success at introducing new players. It took 4 years to recover from Johnno s term the last time.
Not disagreeing with what you've said there, but according to the editor of The Western People Mayo were well set up to be All-Ireland champs in 1991 ...
"John O'Mahony's first period in charge came a cropper in 1991 when Derek Duggan's long range free-kick effectively dumped Mayo out of the championship. I have always believed that had Mayo emerged from Connacht that year they might have been genuine contenders in an All-Ireland semi-final against an aging Meath team exhausted after their epic struggle with Dublin. At any rate,Mayo bowed out and John O'Mahony fell foul of the county board (or was it the other way around?), thus inaugurating a ten-year period that saw five different managers at the helm."
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eygbeyidgb
Has the 1991 row ever been gone into in any detail? Wasn't it effectively a power struggle between Johnno & the county board over whether Johnno would be allowed to pick his own selectors, iirc?
Who trusted him? I trusted him. I don't think I was alone. I listened to Radio Johnno, I bought the whole Messiah stuff. Maybe that makes me a fool. I don't know. When I trusted him I thought he was getting the job to take a fine team the extra yard, rather than destroy it and leave nothing in its place. Maybe that makes me a fool. God help me, he's not the only wrong horse I backed.
BTW - I'm sure even the editor of the Western People would never claim to speak for the county, and would be the first man to point out that the views he expresses are purely his own.
Quote from: spectator on June 09, 2010, 10:08:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
Football people at the time were disappointed and annoyed at a golden opportunity let slip. Johnno got a lot of blame for the loss to be honest and those same people have never really trusted him since.
How was he blamed moysider & what did he not do which caused the defeat? Who has never really trusted him since as a result?
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
What was more annoying over the following 2 years was how the team was allowed to disintegrate without any success at introducing new players. It took 4 years to recover from Johnno s term the last time.
Not disagreeing with what you've said there, but according to the editor of The Western People Mayo were well set up to be All-Ireland champs in 1991 ...
"John O'Mahony's first period in charge came a cropper in 1991 when Derek Duggan's long range free-kick effectively dumped Mayo out of the championship. I have always believed that had Mayo emerged from Connacht that year they might have been genuine contenders in an All-Ireland semi-final against an aging Meath team exhausted after their epic struggle with Dublin. At any rate,Mayo bowed out and John O'Mahony fell foul of the county board (or was it the other way around?), thus inaugurating a ten-year period that saw five different managers at the helm."
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eygbeyidgb
Has the 1991 row ever been gone into in any detail? Wasn't it effectively a power struggle between Johnno & the county board over whether Johnno would be allowed to pick his own selectors, iirc?
He was blamed for a few things. Starting a hamstrung TJ at 6. Failing to move a struggling Finn. Of the hb line only a brilliant Michael Collins performed. Collins was underused and only got a place after Frank Noone got injured in the C. final. Collins should have been a fixture on that team for a decade - what we wouldn't give for him now. Our Cbs were roasted without any action being taken. We had experienced men on the bench that would have given their last ounce for a celtic cross and settled the team in the second half. I m talking about Martin Carney and Denis Kearney. Ironically an old man- Denis Allen- lifted the cup for Cork. Johnno turned to kids for subs. No wonder the board would nt allow him choose his own selectors - sorry, I mean yes- men. His story was the consultative process on the sideline lasted too long- too much debate among selectors. If we had selectors with back bone now McDangergate would never have happened and we d be in a much better place now overall. Those who were livid back then and are resigned now were football men. Lads who played and managed teams. One was a former AI winning captain.
Mayo's demise since the league final has looked very like some of Rscommon's collapses in the earlier part of this decade where poor defeats in the latter stages of the league have been followed up by championship capitulations of harrowing proportions. The confidence was completely gone and they had no interest in trying to salvage the game in the latter stages. I do not expect Mayo to make significant progress in the qualifiers.
Mayo are going to arrive at a cross roads pretty soon where they will have the following options as I see it:-
a.) hang on to the same under achieving players who have played within the comfort zone and settle for a diet of mediocre connacht champioship football followed by 3 or 4 point all-ireland quarter finals defeats to teams like Meath and Donegal from which people will walk away deluding themselves that next year will be different;
b.) do a roscommon and collapse into a never ending horror story where you have to check aertel to make sure it's not broken when you see that Cavan have scored 2-20 against you in a league game;
c.) do something like what Dublin are doing now, pick form players, forget about reputations, scour the county, scour outside the county (didn't a Mayo man score two points agianst you on Saturday), pick players who want to win not just be county men strolling about in a county track suit; and
d.) do something else that I haven't thought of.
Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens but I suspect O'Mahony's message, whatever that happens to be is falling on deaf ears at the moment.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 09, 2010, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: spectator on June 09, 2010, 10:08:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
Football people at the time were disappointed and annoyed at a golden opportunity let slip. Johnno got a lot of blame for the loss to be honest and those same people have never really trusted him since.
How was he blamed moysider & what did he not do which caused the defeat? Who has never really trusted him since as a result?
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
What was more annoying over the following 2 years was how the team was allowed to disintegrate without any success at introducing new players. It took 4 years to recover from Johnno s term the last time.
Not disagreeing with what you've said there, but according to the editor of The Western People Mayo were well set up to be All-Ireland champs in 1991 ...
"John O'Mahony's first period in charge came a cropper in 1991 when Derek Duggan's long range free-kick effectively dumped Mayo out of the championship. I have always believed that had Mayo emerged from Connacht that year they might have been genuine contenders in an All-Ireland semi-final against an aging Meath team exhausted after their epic struggle with Dublin. At any rate,Mayo bowed out and John O'Mahony fell foul of the county board (or was it the other way around?), thus inaugurating a ten-year period that saw five different managers at the helm."
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eygbeyidgb
Has the 1991 row ever been gone into in any detail? Wasn't it effectively a power struggle between Johnno & the county board over whether Johnno would be allowed to pick his own selectors, iirc?
Who trusted him? I trusted him. I don't think I was alone. I listened to Radio Johnno, I bought the whole Messiah stuff. Maybe that makes me a fool. I don't know. When I trusted him I thought he was getting the job to take a fine team the extra yard, rather than destroy it and leave nothing in its place. Maybe that makes me a fool. God help me, he's not the only wrong horse I backed.
BTW - I'm sure even the editor of the Western People would never claim to speak for the county, and would be the first man to point out that the views he expresses are purely his own.
It doesn't make you a fool Iolar. Most people bought into it that I can see. Why did you though ?
its amazing the tone of the posts in this thread compared to the 1st fer pages of posts in the mayo discussion page that was started back in 2006 when most posters were hoping and waiting for the messiah to make his mind up on whether he would take the job of not after micky moran was shafted well 4 years later we now know he aint no messiah . his 4 years in charge have been a disaster yet becuase of his previous recored with galway some people still think he must be a good manager ??? i don't know why ( i can't remember too much about 1989) but i never really wanted him as manager mainly because he was always putting pressure on the manager in charge with his weekly column in the western people and his radio show ( i see the western still is giving him a soft ride) also the way he didn't take the job in 2005/2006 yet micky moran gets us to an Ai an d johnno decides that fall that yeah i'd like that gig afterall but on my terms because i'm the messia.it will be interesting to see what happens this year will the county board honour his new 2 year deal i fully expect them to as there will be an election sometime soon
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 09, 2010, 11:33:38 PM
its amazing the tone of the posts in this thread compared to the 1st fer pages of posts in the mayo discussion page that was started back in 2006 when most posters were hoping and waiting for the messiah to make his mind up on whether he would take the job of not after micky moran was shafted well 4 years later we now know he aint no messiah . his 4 years in charge have been a disaster yet becuase of his previous recored with galway some people still think he must be a good manager ??? i don't know why ( i can't remember too much about 1989) but i never really wanted him as manager mainly because he was always putting pressure on the manager in charge with his weekly column in the western people and his radio show ( i see the western still is giving him a soft ride) also the way he didn't take the job in 2005/2006 yet micky moran gets us to an Ai an d johnno decides that fall that yeah i'd like that gig afterall but on my terms because i'm the messia.it will be interesting to see what happens this year will the county board honour his new 2 year deal i fully expect them to as there will be an election sometime soon
It's unbelievable. You couldn't make this shit up. A game and jersey that we used to love has been used as a way to a political means with the imprimatur of the county board. And maybe yet after this Summers debacle ends as well. I m not politically that bothered ( I should be but ....), so probably this fucks my head more than most. The damning thing is that playing careers have been whittled away and we've lost championship matches we never should have - and not just one or two.
Thanks for that info moysider. Hadn't heard some of that analysis before.
Iolar, of course the editor of the Western is entitled to his opinion. I was sort of playing devil's advocate with that comment & will argue it out with him any day that Ros were much the better team and deserving winners in '91 ;)
There's been some amount of skullduggery going on behind the scenes in Mayo from what ye're saying here.
Quote from: spectator on June 10, 2010, 12:01:35 AM
Thanks for that info moysider. Hadn't heard some of that analysis before.
Iolar, of course the editor of the Western is entitled to his opinion. I was sort of playing devil's advocate with that comment & will argue it out with him any day that Ros were much the better team and deserving winners in '91 ;)
There's been some amount of skullduggery going on behind the scenes in Mayo from what ye're saying here.
Ye were good but already we were in some bad twist. Mayo then had a better team than the ones that Maughan ( esp 06) and M&M had that lost AIs. Big men and classy players all over the field. Blew it. And it still goes on.
jeez lads some awful shit being spoken here
the only era that should end here is johnnos.
there is ample evidence from the league this year and the championship last year that the players are plenty good enough with proper direction.
any talk of becoming another Roscommon is self defeatist nonsense . besides i expect the Rossie to rise any time soon due to continous quality at under age level someting mayo have had for the last 15 years.
never confuse class with form . MAyo form is poor at the moment but but class wil show itself despite JOM's best efforts
I think James horan should be the new manager . My Firnds on the county board have devised an elaborate scheme involving mick o dwyer John maughan and would you believe Tommy lyons ... Just to make people grateful to get an untried untested newby!!!!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 09, 2010, 10:36:32 AM
I think it is a bit cheap to take pot shots at the manager without looking at the whole picture. Since I can remember Mayo football teams have always been lacking in bottle when things were put up to them. They may talk that they have it but in the last 20 years I have seen so many different Mayo team capitulate at different times. They are there or thereabouts until a certain point and then they seem to disappear, nearly like they are afraid to win because if they won then they would have nothing to complain about! I recall an incident I was involved in where there was a bit of "trash talking" going on betwene myself, a team mate and a prominent Mayo footballer at the time. This man physically shrank as we kept reminding him how Mayo teams always lose big games, it was a strange sight but the same man didin't go for the next few balls. This seems like an ingrained inferiority complex that has been fed by the media and players have become used to hearing "Will Mayo ever make the breakthrough?" and they cannot get away from it. I cannot see an answer for this apart from banning media in Mayo for 10 years, and that may be a flippant comment but the reality is that I believe that deep down there is a sense of failure and a willingness to find a scapegoat before a ball has been kicked.
I've a fair idea who you're on about - but 1 player in a club game cannot equate to the psyche of a whole county - and if I'm right about who you're referring to, well that's a lazy enough analysis BC, no offense to you.
Like ICC says, this whole notion of Mayo lacking bottle doesn't stack up - we were unlucky in 1996, but really that's about it. In 1989, 1997, 2004 & 2006 we were just beaten by better teams. In fact I still think we were relatively lucky to get to the finals in 2004 and 2006 - people talk about the famous victory over the Dubs in 2006 but I'm still firmly of the belief that Pillar won us that game, any other county would have closed that game off. It's not lack of bottle or belief-and it's a fairly lazy and easy thing to throw out every now and then.
Nice to see the heroes from Ros coming out to give us a good kick while we're down, any wonder Andy Moran decided to play for Mayo
Quote from: rosnarun on June 10, 2010, 01:02:57 AM
jeez lads some awful shit being spoken here
the only era that should end here is johnnos.
there is ample evidence from the league this year and the championship las year that the players are plenty good enough with proper direction.
any talk of becoming another Roscommon is self defeatist nonsense . besides i expect the Rossie to rise any time soon due to continous quality at under age level someting mayo have had for the last 15 years.
never confuse class with form . MAyo form is poor at the moment but but class wil show itself despite JOM's best efforts
League form and what division you are in doesn't matter a flying f**k, that has been clearly shown. Championship last year??Is that supposed to be a joke? We beat a Rossie team who didn't know a sheep's arse from a football and did everything we could to collapse against Galway, and i won't even start on about the Meath shambles.
Article by Ray Silke.....
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/blog/post/2010/06/07/Can-John-OMahony-continue-to-fulfill-this-dual-mandate.aspx
IN June 1998, my fiancé was bridesmaid at a wedding in the Station House in Clifden on a Friday. There was plenty of entertainment and a barbeque organised for the Saturday night and everyone was due to stay around.
In an effort to keep peace in the house I wanted to pass up Galway training in Ballinasloe on the Saturday evening. I phoned John O'Mahony Saturday morning;
"John, Ray Silke here. How are things? I have to stay in Clifden on Saturday night and cannot make training."
"Why?" was his curt reply.
"My car is in the garage and I have no way of getting to Ballinasloe and back to Clifden and I have to be back tonight."
There was a moments silence and then he said;
"Sound. Sure if that's how it is Ray. I'll drive to Clifden. Bring you to Ballinasloe. And then bring you back to Clifden after training. We need you to be at training."
Check mate.
John was a secondary teacher in St. Nathy's college in Ballaghdereen back then, and come the summer he focused totally and exclusively on maximising the potential of the panel at his disposal. And he did that with spectacular success.
However, fast forward twelve years and John is no longer a secondary teacher settling into eleven weeks holidays, free to fine tune a county's preparations for championship.
Now as a TD for Mayo he has to spend a large part of his week on Dáil business in Dublin. Presumably, when he is home, there must be a phenomenal amount of constituency work to be done, press releases to be drafted, funerals to go to, etc, etc, before even beginning to focus on foot-balling matters.
Serving two masters is never easy and having a full time role as a TD does not sit easily with the demands of being a county manager with a county that has high aspirations on an annual basis. Inter-county management is getting more time consuming and professional by the year, not less.
O'Mahony is in his fourth year as Mayo manager with the highlight of that tenure, a narrow victory over Galway in last year's Connacht final courtesy of a magnificent late point from Peadar Gardiner.
After Saturday's loss to Sligo there will be even more questioning of any individual's ability to satisfy two very diverse job descriptions.
Most inter-county managers will easily acknowledge that they have to invest a minimum of 25/30 hours a week to do the job right and the last sitting TD I spoke to in Galway told me his day job took up about 80 hours a week. He suggested that fifteen hour days including travel during the week would not be unusual.
Hence Mayo's dilemma;
Their manager has to try and combine two massive roles. Is that possible?
Based on the attitude and body language of many of the players who took the field in Markievicz Park last Saturday evening they would appear not to have bought into the current status quo.
The talk among Mayo supporters on the terraces at half time was that Johnno should at a minimum have changed his backroom team last year after their limp exit at the hands of Meath. He did not do so.
John now finds himself in a position whereby the very role in the county that may have helped to get him elected, that of county manager, seems to be imploding.
The Mayo players appeared to lack the collective will or desire, or game plan to play themselves into a position to challenge the home team.
Whose fault it that? A combination of those inside the white lines and those outside, but the buck stops with the man in the Bainisteoir bib and O'Mahony will know that.
Tony Dempsey combined being Wexford manager and a T.D. a few years ago and he subsequently pointed out that the dual mandate was not possible to do. One job had to suffer.
Based on Mayo's experience over the past few years, Dempsey seems to have spoken the truth.
And if that is so, where do Mayo and O'Mahony go?
An inter-county career is a very short window and there are significant rumblings that some players are not happy with things as they stand.
Cork have proven in the past that genuine player dissatisfaction can come to the fore quickly and effectively. Unless there is a few changes in Mayo then the possibility of some action is a possibility.
That is assuming of course, that there are men on the panel brave enough to voice their concerns and based on what they produced last Saturday evening that is debatable too.
One thing is certain, the current arrangement is not working. The league final against Cork and last Saturday evening's lethargic and listless performance confirmed as much. With the most earnest effort and will in the world, no-one can be all things to all men.
At last it has happened, I have agreed with ray silke about something. How can we really expect a man working as a politician to direct and focus 30 plus footballers into a team capable of doing something great?
And some of the decisions on players dropped, and great players left out when older than them are still cutting mustard around the country.
A good pasting by someone in the qualifiers is needed, if we get a few handy wins and lose to a middling team by a point then the management will survive even though they know they should walk away.
I think if half of whats being said is true the players will not try in games and the pasting will come quickly.
Quote from: mannix on June 10, 2010, 06:06:20 AM
At last it has happened, I have agreed with ray silke about something. How can we really expect a man working as a politician to direct and focus 30 plus footballers into a team capable of doing something great?
And some of the decisions on players dropped, and great players left out when older than them are still cutting mustard around the country.
A good pasting by someone in the qualifiers is needed, if we get a few handy wins and lose to a middling team by a point then the management will survive even though they know they should walk away.
I think if half of whats being said is true the players will not try in games and the pasting will come quickly.
He has feck all else to do.
Quote from: stephenite on June 10, 2010, 01:09:00 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 09, 2010, 10:36:32 AM
I think it is a bit cheap to take pot shots at the manager without looking at the whole picture. Since I can remember Mayo football teams have always been lacking in bottle when things were put up to them. They may talk that they have it but in the last 20 years I have seen so many different Mayo team capitulate at different times. They are there or thereabouts until a certain point and then they seem to disappear, nearly like they are afraid to win because if they won then they would have nothing to complain about! I recall an incident I was involved in where there was a bit of "trash talking" going on betwene myself, a team mate and a prominent Mayo footballer at the time. This man physically shrank as we kept reminding him how Mayo teams always lose big games, it was a strange sight but the same man didin't go for the next few balls. This seems like an ingrained inferiority complex that has been fed by the media and players have become used to hearing "Will Mayo ever make the breakthrough?" and they cannot get away from it. I cannot see an answer for this apart from banning media in Mayo for 10 years, and that may be a flippant comment but the reality is that I believe that deep down there is a sense of failure and a willingness to find a scapegoat before a ball has been kicked.
I've a fair idea who you're on about - but 1 player in a club game cannot equate to the psyche of a whole county - and if I'm right about who you're referring to, well that's a lazy enough analysis BC, no offense to you.
Like ICC says, this whole notion of Mayo lacking bottle doesn't stack up - we were unlucky in 1996, but really that's about it. In 1989, 1997, 2004 & 2006 we were just beaten by better teams. In fact I still think we were relatively lucky to get to the finals in 2004 and 2006 - people talk about the famous victory over the Dubs in 2006 but I'm still firmly of the belief that Pillar won us that game, any other county would have closed that game off. It's not lack of bottle or belief-and it's a fairly lazy and easy thing to throw out every now and then.
Nice to see the heroes from Ros coming out to give us a good kick while we're down, any wonder Andy Moran decided to play for Mayo
Stephenite, you do know who I am talking about but to me he epitomises why it doesn't happen. Talent to burn, like many footballers in Mayo but I believe there is an underlying belief that they simply cannot do it. I don't think it is a lack of "bottle" simply a confidence thing and the managers that have been in place have not been able to do anything about it and the players themselves seem to look at each other when push comes to shove. Alwasy looking for the Messiah, be it Ciaran Mac or the manager and when one doesn't come riding over the horizon, what then???
As for saying you were unlucky in one and lucky to get to 2 AI Finals I can't agree. In 1996 there were multiple chances to win the games and the poor shooting let you down. that is not bad luck that is one of 2 things, poor preparation physically(shooting practice) or poor prepartion mentally(confidence). They got the "bounce of the ball" in some respects but the difference in that Meath team and Mayo was that Meath never believed they could lose and I don't think Mayo ever believed they could win. As regards being lucky to get to 2 AI finals that is horseshit. You don't get to a Final on the back of luck. You may get a lucky break in a game that can influence the result but luck to my mind is an easy escape to cover up cracks that are repeatedly being shown up.
There seems to be serious administrative problems in respect of the County Board. John O'Mahony is not a bad manager he is just not the right man at this time. If I were the Mayo CB I would be breaking down the door to Sean Boylan's Herbal Shop to get him in as it needs someone like him to take it on to the next step.
Quote from: ballinaman on June 10, 2010, 01:12:43 AM
League form and what division you are in doesn't matter a flying f**k, that has been clearly shown. Championship last year??Is that supposed to be a joke? We beat a Rossie team who didn't know a sheep's arse from a football and did everything we could to collapse against Galway, and i won't even start on about the Meath shambles.
I think Ray Silke is always worth a read.
Okay; I tend to agree with the general view that he wasn't a good footballer but he had to have the essential leadership qualities needed to captain Galway to All Ireland success.
Foremost amongst them must be the ability to tap into the thinking of those around him- to grasp their psyche, as it were.
Ray Silke just has to know John O'Mahony's inner self better than John himself.
For that reason alone, I tend to pay very close attention to what he writes, and has written in the past, about Johnno, the manager of Mayo.
I have no problem in saying I feel a lot of compassion for the same Johnno; it must have been dog rough for him to walk out and face the media on Saturday evening and try an put some sort of positive spin on what had just happened on the field of play.
It must be hard on Silke to see the man who worked miracles for himself and his Galway colleagues now reduced to talking through his ass on an increasingly regular basis.
If Comical Ali were to re-invent himself as an IC manager and go looking for a job, John O'Mahony should start to worry big-time. Until then, he leads the list of reality dodgers by a dozen lengths or more.
Still, I feel for him as he goes about like a dead man walking. If only wishes were horses, Johnno would ride on to glory but they aren't, so he won't.
But I feel considerably sorrier for the players on his panel. It is gut bursting to see the Mortimers, Dillon, Moran and the rest of our former top class players being reduced to parodies of their former selves.
It is even worse to see the O'Sheas, Parsons and the rest of the long line of promising youngsters failing to develop their potential.
I was sorry that the trip to Portugal was scrapped or postponed. (I'm not getting involved in that spat. Keep 'er lit, boys!)
Kevin McStay says: " ...the training they're getting – in terms of preparation, analysis and critique the management have provided – is top class."
Well, fair play to Johnno for that but it wasn't extra physical conditioning that the boys needed. Quite seriously, I think the call for the trip was a desperate plea for help as the players saw the fruits of their fine league run going to waste. The players and the management team needed a break away form the publicity to try and figure out what was going horribly wrong and threshing out what steps they should take to get out of the tailspin. . I just couldn't see any of them, including Johnno, thinking that they deserved a holiday in the sun.
No, the poor devil can't be held accountable for everything tghat has gone wrong, but as Ray Silke puts it:
"Whose fault it that? A combination of those inside the white lines and those outside, but the buck stops with the man in the Bainisteoir bib and O'Mahony will know that."
The question is, does he?
BTW, ballinaman, I think you got the sentiment right but the metaphor wrong in what you wrote about the Rossies, sheeps' arses and footballs.
I suspect that most of that ungodly shower to the east of us know considerably more about a sheep's arse that they would own up to in public but all of then know sweet damn all about footballs! ;D
Spot on Lar again, wasn't the best wording alright! That Ross team that turned up that day was a joke.
Interesting thread. My take on it is Mayo are short some top players in key positions on the park. I think the whole bottle thing is a bit of an anachronism these days for any team that loses a game. When Mayo are in trouble in games they lack the 5/6 leaders to dig them out. Players like that are born and not made in my opinion. Kildare and Armagh had precious few leaders as well last weekend.
Mayo is a football mad county and as a result gets over analysed. Might have only played one championship game but if Mayo can find 3/4 more Alan Freemans they'll be right up there again. Rarely have I been as impressed by a player on the championship debut.
In fairness Spectator that post, while well written, is patronising tripe.
A county waits 38 years to get to an AIF and then enjoys it. So what. I was in the Grand Hotel after that match and the most disappointed man in the building was Johnno. While some were patting him on the back he couldn't hide his pain. There were tears in his eyes all night.
First off, while I think JO'M is a very good manager, talks of him being some sort of messiah and working miricales with Galway are off the mark. I could have won an All Ireland with the group of players he had around that time. In fact, there is grounds to say that he should have won more with that team, especially thinking back to the poor 99, 02, 03 years.
But that is exactly what Mayo would have needed over the past 4 years to win something, a messiah. None of Mickey Harte, Boylan, O Dywer, or even dear old Paidi would have got Mayo within an asses roar of winning an All Ireland in the past 4 years. You simply haven't had the players.
2006 was a false dawn. Tyrone were decimated with injuries. Kerry knocked out Cork, and Dublin did a complete bottling job against Mayo in the semi's. Mayo were probably the 5th best team in the country that year and they got found out in the final. But even back then you simply had better individuals than you have now. Nallen/ Heaney were younger, McGarrity was pre sickness, Mort looked sharper and you had one truly class player in McDonald.
Fast forward that to last Saturday. Look at the team, and name me one proper class player Mayo had in their ranks? Someone who could change a game like McDonald could? There was nobody. Even so, that team was good enough to win Connacht last year. What has happened since is that Mayo have lost the last of their leaders in Nallen and Heaney. There is nobody left to stand up and take command. Can O'Mahony be blamed for this? Yes to a very small degree. But he cant go out and phyically make players. The players arent there, and no matter what manager was in control the results would have been largely the same. The only player who could make a difference is living the dream in OZ.
Even though we haven't got the class players we had 4 years ago like McDonald, Brady, Heaney and Nallen, we still should be playing way better than we should at the weekend. I know we were missing some important forwards like Dillon, Kilcoyne, B Moran and Harte but we had enough both on the pitch and on the bench to beat Sligo but we were only competitive up until half way through the second half. You could see the lack of drive and hunger from the players and in my opinion and experience that comes from the management. On top of this the management have not, in my opinion, developed one of the younger players and it could be argued that they have regressed as well. For those reasons O'Mahony and his colleagues should go...
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Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
Football people at the time were disappointed and annoyed at a golden opportunity let slip. Johnno got a lot of blame for the loss to be honest and those same people have never really trusted him since.
How was he blamed moysider & what did he not do which caused the defeat? Who has never really trusted him since as a result?
Quote from: moysider on June 09, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
What was more annoying over the following 2 years was how the team was allowed to disintegrate without any success at introducing new players. It took 4 years to recover from Johnno s term the last time.
Not disagreeing with what you've said there, but according to the editor of The Western People Mayo were well set up to be All-Ireland champs in 1991 ...
"John O'Mahony's first period in charge came a cropper in 1991 when Derek Duggan's long range free-kick effectively dumped Mayo out of the championship. I have always believed that had Mayo emerged from Connacht that year they might have been genuine contenders in an All-Ireland semi-final against an aging Meath team exhausted after their epic struggle with Dublin. At any rate,Mayo bowed out and John O'Mahony fell foul of the county board (or was it the other way around?), thus inaugurating a ten-year period that saw five different managers at the helm."
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eygbeyidgb
Has the 1991 row ever been gone into in any detail? Wasn't it effectively a power struggle between Johnno & the county board over whether Johnno would be allowed to pick his own selectors, iirc?
Who trusted him? I trusted him. I don't think I was alone. I listened to Radio Johnno, I bought the whole Messiah stuff. Maybe that makes me a fool. I don't know. When I trusted him I thought he was getting the job to take a fine team the extra yard, rather than destroy it and leave nothing in its place. Maybe that makes me a fool. God help me, he's not the only wrong horse I backed.
BTW - I'm sure even the editor of the Western People would never claim to speak for the county, and would be the first man to point out that the views he expresses are purely his own.
It doesn't make you a fool Iolar. Most people bought into it that I can see. Why did you though ?
God Moysider, there were lots of reasons to believe in him.
Mayo are in a heap now, but in 2006 we had been in two All-Ireland finals in three years. I believed then, and still believe now, that management was bad in both those All-Irelands. I don't buy into that Mayo-were-lucky-to-be-there-at-all guff. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny for a minute.
Maughan fell out with players, and while I know people are taking up Moran and Morrison now, it struck me at the time that they got more out of Mayo than Mayo got out of them. I think the 2006 team could nearly have managed itself, with or without the star full-forward line – anybody remember that? Debate for another day, maybe.
Anyway. O'Mahony looked like the missing link at the time. His time with Galway, the resolution of the Donnellan situation there, and his very public view on the Brady v Maughan fight suggested that he was above getting into personal disputes with players the way John Maughan had, and the two All-Irelands with Galway suggested that he wouldn't be starstruck on the big day the way Moran and Morrison were.
The man had relative success with Mayo, Leitrim and Galway. It can't all have been a coincidence. The stories I was hearing was that senior players wanted John O'Mahony to bring them the final step.
And they're the reasons I believed in the Second Coming at the time. The past four years have proved me wrong. I would have thought about calling time in 2008, and definitely after the Meath game last year. The Board gave him another two years instead. And here we are.
Lot of unfair sh*te being spouted here about Johnno - I believe that Johnno is a football man first and a politician / teacher second. He spent many years in football before being elected and I have no doubt that if he loses out in the next election, he will remain involved in the GAA at some level.
If politics were his sole driver, then he would have resigned last year after the Meath game - perhaps he would have been right to do so but like any Mayo man, the thing that keeps him there is a belief that we can win Sam and that he can take us there. I wouldn't necessarily be jumping on the Connelly bandwagon though - who has he managed since leaving the U-21 post?
Sadly, it seems as if he is not the man to do it. Perhaps his methods are outdated, perhaps being a TD is taking up too much of his time (remember that the Dail sits 3 days a week unlike most jobs so in theory it should be the ideal job for a manager) or perhaps the players just don't believe in him.
Either way, unless he works some kind of a miracle in the qualifiers, he has to go - the lack of passion and fight from Mayo in the last two games has been unbelievable. The players have to take some responsibility for this - they seemed to show no pride in the jersey whatsoever. Unfortunately this is nothing new for Mayo, it is oddly reminiscent of the 04 and 06 finals. Those incidents may be put down to nerves / lack of bottle or whatever but at the moment it seems to be endemic in this Mayo side and Johnno has to take the ultimate responsibility.
I don't think stepping down immediately would be the right thing to do - it would leave the team in limbo, would be a thankless job for whoever would come in and would be starting the new manager's tenure on a losing note. It may not be pretty but I think we have to stick with Johnno until the end of the season - not likely to be too long.
It's going to be a difficult job for the new man coming in next year but if the right team is in place, the talent is there to beat the likes of Cork/Kerry although I think we remain a few players short of an AI - could manage to sneak one though.
Regardless of the pessimism on here, I intend to go to the qualifiers and continue supporting the team - it's easy to put on the jersey and head to Dublin when things are going well.
I hope Johnno will have the good sense to leave if / when we exit the qualifiers, even though he hasn't left behind the legacy he would have wanted I think he will always be remembered for the U-21 title in '83 and bringing us to the final in '89.
Maigh Eo Abu
Good post MacDanger.
I think the players shud be locked up in a camp until the next match. Bring in some american army drill sargent and give him a cupla seachtain with them. That wud sort dem out.
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
In fairness Spectator that post, while well written, is patronising tripe.
A county waits 38 years to get to an AIF and then enjoys it. So what. I was in the Grand Hotel after that match and the most disappointed man in the building was Johnno. While some were patting him on the back he couldn't hide his pain. There were tears in his eyes all night.
TBH, I don't agree that the description of events at the time makes them a pile of patronising tripe at all, Muppet. Maybe it's all too easy to come to that conclusion from a 2010 perspective.
If anything in fact, the compilers of the 1989 Mayo GAA Yearbook probably described the zeitgeist of the times quite well.
The 80's had been unrelentingly grim with mass unemployment and emigration. When the Irish soccer team qualified for Euro '88 in Germany and were moderately successful, hundreds of thousands turned out in Dublin to welcome them home and cheer their efforts. There was a hunger amongst Irish people back then for even a modicum of success and something to cheer about.
From the yearbook photos of Johnno & Jimmy Browne, it's clear that the pain of defeat weighed heavily with them, as it did I'm sure with most of the others directly involved. Of that there's no doubt. Those two photos don't sit easily beside the hoopla of the text based articles.
However, rightly or wrongly, the yearbook accounts of '89 show us that people in Mayo derived a great sense of self-worth out of their county's achievements on the GAA fields that year.
As manager, Johnno deserves a lot of credit for what he did for the county & its people in leading Mayo to the AIF at such a generally grim time. He lead Mayo to a position where an All-Ireland became a possibility once again for the first time since 1951.
Time has probably diminished that for most folks, but it shouldn't be forgotten and deserves to be acknowledged when looking back at Johnno's service to Mayo.
of course the dicision you play in makes a difference. its a sign on of your ultimate quality. it does not mean you wont balls up on a particular day against inferior opposition . which is what happened last sunday. that quality was there for all to see in the league this year in omagh in derry and esp in tralee. the one place outside the final they messed up was against dublin in casrtlebar.
as for last year yes we beat a useless ross team this year we lost to a similar sligo one. progress???
JOM could not have done a better job of destabilizing the team last sunday if he had been in the pay of the enemy . no plan no shape no hunger . thesae are what you look to a manager for . he provided nothing but a general stae of worry .
why was our best player aosé left off
was moran injured
why did we have 2 debutants in the full forward line one very out of position .
where had BJP shown the form that he deserved to be 1st sub.
where had cuniffe shown the form that he deserved to start
what did Seamus o shea do wrong ?
Mayo can still have a good year but the cause would be very much helped with any other manager.
If I was a Sligo person, ros I would argue with this 'inferior opposition' shit you keep on spouting about. In fact, it actually makes my blood boil thinking anyone should consider any opposition 'inferior'. It usually comes back to bite you on the arse. I hope to God the Mayo players didn't think Sligo as inferior as you do rosnarun, anyway tell me what inferior means? Because it certainly looked to me that Mayo were far inferior in every way on the pitch from the 15th minute onwards, despite managing to lead until the middle of the second half.
I think it is fair to say that JOM did give Mayo some great days in the 80s and returned us to an All Ireland which we could only have dreamed of. From there Mayo have operated at a consistently higher level and despite disappointments have contested 4 All Ireland Finals since Dublin last played in one. However as moysider has said things were left in a mess.
In the Mayo Advertiser John Maughan is certainly less than impressed. Somewhat sweet for him to be able to turn the knife after the way O'Mahony wrote about him. Whatever about his flaws the achievements of Maughan has Mayo manager are unsurpassed:
QuoteIt seems now that Mayo's dreadful display against Cork in the league final earlier this year was not a once off, but a fair reflection of where this team and management currently stands. In that final we played like a division four team. We looked every inch a division four team again last week. I realise that winning performances are not always associated with dazzling displays of individual or team brilliance. A winning performance is achieved by relentless work, harrying, hitting, running, tracking back, tackling, winning dirty balls. This is a basic requisite to be successful in championship football. That's what we wanted from our evening in Sligo. As a result of the defeat Mayo has also missed out on an attractive home tie against our old friends, Galway, in a few weeks' time. It was planned to coincide with the official opening of the new stand, but that too must be shelved for the time being. This missed opportunity also means a very significant loss of revenue for the County Board and another hit to local businesses.
With regard to last Saturday's game, Mayo's performance was disorganised and lacklustre. It lacked the intensity expected of a championship encounter. We all expected a tough encounter against Sligo. They are a winning side with bucket loads of confidence and have made a very significant improvement under the astute management of Kevin Walsh over the last few years. Mayo, on the other hand, are very clearly lacking in confidence at the moment. However I still thought we would be good enough to overcome Sligo, and believe it or not, I felt we had sufficient quality to win a Connacht title this year. In hindsight, I believe this match could have been won had management addressed a number of issues that arose before and during the game. Once Chris Barrett was ruled out through illness, Mayo should have considered Liam O'Malley as a direct replacement. He has played well in several games throughout the league as an orthodox corner back and should have been the player nominated to replace Barrett. Instead we moved Donal Vaughan, selected at wing back, to corner back where he struggled to mark Sligo's most dangerous forward, David Kelly. The dog on the street recognises David Kelly's abilities as a corner forward. Keith Higgins, Mayo's slickest defender, should have been nominated/delegated a month ago to pick Kelly up from the start.
Once Eamon O'Hara was dispatched from full forward to assist with a leaking full back line, Mayo's management should have identified that we needed a good running extra player to attack from midfield. I have three in mind who could have filled this role; Gardiner, Vaughan, or McLaughlin. Instead Mayo kept their extra player, Ger Cafferkey, in the full back line as an extra where he was not much of a threat to Sligo. As it transpired we got a dream start and Alan Freeman looked like he could have beaten Sligo on his own such was his dominance in the first 10 minutes. He was excellent as a debutant. Unfortunately Mayo persisted in trying to find him with long ball which the inspirational O'Hara mopped up time and time again. It was obvious that attacking from midfield with a running option would have sucked O'Hara away from his sweeping role in front of the full back, and at least the Sligo management would have a decision to make. And finally, John O'Mahony persevered way too long with several players who were just not on their game. Throwing on players to try to rescue a match, when the momentum had clearly shifted to the opposition, was just a case of shutting the gate after the horse had bolted.
I cannot understand why the Mayo players looked so flat last weekend. Perhaps it was the schedule of challenge matches played that left them looking tired and drained. However one would expect that players should still be able to deliver a championship performance. This clearly was not the case however. There was a distinct lack of enthusiasm, little or no motivation, and there appeared also to be a number of players looking to the sideline to be rescued long before the final whistle. Management has to shoulder some of the blame here too. They are expected to provide the direction and tactical decisions their players need. To be effective in this regard you need some degree of an emotional connection with each player. I get the impression that the entire set up surrounding the Mayo football scene is not a happy one. There appears to be little or no connect between management and players. If I thought for a minute that this team was not capable of significant improvement in this year's campaign then I would prefer if our championship season ended at the next outing. The last thing we need is a 'handy' draw that would eventually lead to an embarrassment in some lion's den!
maughan is very direct and pointed he has shown great restraint in going easy on omahony since johnno took over 4 years ago. no brash statements or low digs god knows he has had plenty of material to get stuck in
saddest part of it all maughan saying he hopes we go out in 1st qualifer just seems wrong
Seems a bit hypocritical to me for him to criticize the way a half back was moved to corner back to mark David Kelly when in an All-Ireland final some years ago he made 4 or 5 changes when he lost Dermot Flanagan to injury. Maybe he learned from experience that you need to play players in the correct positions!!
Quote from: spuds on June 11, 2010, 01:24:48 PM
maughan is very direct and pointed he has shown great restraint in going easy on omahony since johnno took over 4 years ago. no brash statements or low digs god knows he has had plenty of material to get stuck in
saddest part of it all maughan saying he hopes we go out in 1st qualifer just seems wrong
I am not the biggest John Maughan fan, but your last comment is not accurate, he said that if he thought we were not capable of a significant improvement then we would be better off out.
He made some decent points regarding Keith Higgins and Vaughan not being a corner back, in fact, I noticed Vaughan attempting to block a kick with one hand, if I saw a ten year old doing that I would pull him aside.
Gardiner in my mind is not a stay at home defender, a good attacking half-back, but where do you play him. Q , would Kerry play somebody like him, probably not, their backs are good defenders and their forwards are for the most part score getters. Mayo always seem to be facilitating two or three players and it is like trying to put a square into a circle.
He probably could have gone a lot deeper in his analysis of other players, but for some reason did not.
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Quote from: spuds on June 11, 2010, 01:24:48 PM
maughan is very direct and pointed he has shown great restraint in going easy on omahony since johnno took over 4 years ago. no brash statements or low digs god knows he has had plenty of material to get stuck in
saddest part of it all maughan saying he hopes we go out in 1st qualifer just seems wrong
I am not the biggest John Maughan fan, but your last comment is not accurate, he said that if he thought we were not capable of a significant improvement then we would be better off out.
fair enough joe but its doubletalk really why would he mention words like not capable and embarrassment ? not very subtle
there is not much positive in maughans writing leading to believe that he sees little hope
I think the problem with Gardiner as a half back is that he is attack minded. Will race up the field usually kick it wide or be dispossessed or caught on the back foot. We need a change of game plan in many ways so that our back line are not exposed.
Quote from: Barney on June 11, 2010, 02:28:36 PM
I think the problem with Gardiner as a half back is that he is attack minded. Will race up the field usually kick it wide or be dispossessed or caught on the back foot. We need a change of game plan in many ways so that our back line are not exposed.
+1
Your a rock of sense, I have been talking along those lines for years
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 11, 2010, 03:31:24 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 11, 2010, 02:28:36 PM
I think the problem with Gardiner as a half back is that he is attack minded. Will race up the field usually kick it wide or be dispossessed or caught on the back foot. We need a change of game plan in many ways so that our back line are not exposed.
+1
Your a rock of sense, I have been talking along those lines for years
I don't mind him being attack minded, at the right time. It is his defensive work that worries me. Again last saturday when faced with a forward running straight at him he tried to meet him with his shoulder. A good forward will simply throw a shape and run by him. A proper orthodox defender will try and stay on his toes to tackle, not plant his feet for a shoulder, when facing a forward running at him.
There are roles that I would still use him for, e.g. man to man on the likes of Brian Dooher which he has done very well in the past. But I would agree with JM regarding replacing Chris Barrett.
QuoteYour a rock of sense, I have been talking along those lines for years
I know, but I have been saying it here for years also and ridiculed for having a vendetta against the lad!
I think he is a great servent to the cause, a great man to have in the squad but a weakness nonetheless against the better teams.
Prior to last weekend I would have defended JOM to the hilt, not because I thought he was doing a brilliant job but because I thought the criticism of him wasn't taking into account the mediocrity of many of the players. I still think that is the case, although he has to carry much of the blame for a performance that was as bad as I can recall any team producing.
I think he should go at the end of the year because whatever he is doing is not working but I think Mayo folk should cast a more critical eye over their players. The next man in won't improve things hugely IMO because Mayo are leaden down with average IC footballers and no stars.
Mayo should be doing better than they are but they are in that bracket of 8-10 teams that could be ranked as high as 4th in Ireland or as low as 14th depending on form and the draw. I don't think any manager will change that reality, this Mayo squad are not better than at least another 8 teams in the country and are worse than Cork, Kerry and Tyrone.
The most surprising thing for me is taht Mayo haven't produced a really top class scoring full forward in a long long time. Even Tipp (Declan Brown), Wexford (Matty Forde) and Limerick (Ian Ryan) have produced at least one star scoring forward more recently than Mayo.
Long time since I posted here, though I do recall a post being totally against Johnno getting the job but few on the board agreed, funnily one that did was from Sligo, Magpie Seanie. I genuinely believe that what has happened with Mayo football is nothing short of scandalous yet few in the county including a compliant press had the balls to call Johnno's appointment as it was, a political stroke. Eugene McGee all but suggested that Mayo people had a nerve to question him after poor fare in 2007/08. Martin Carney is another who springs to mind that'll defend O'Mahony to the last, to paraphrase"This Mayo team is more functional now not reliant on big stars everyone playing for the team". Yeah big stars like MacDonald who were treated disgracefully by O'Mahony for that alone he should have got the boot. Aidan O'Shea is another, imagine bringing a lad over to NY and him facing into a Leaving Cert, look at him now all confidence gone almost a bit player. Here we are in 2010 and who should enter stage left only Billy Joe licking his paws looking around in amazement that he suddenly finds himself in the thick of things after being absent all year, booker prize stuff. There was a time when you'd leave Mayo games after a defeat bitterly disappointed now it's just anger at the charade being perpetrated. Am sick to my hole of all the rubbish about how we have a top psychologist working with the team, Olympic fitness coaches and what have you, players giving endless interviews about the setup being different this year, it's all guff. Can you imagine if Jack O'Connor went to Cork & won 2 All-Irelands with them. Do you think Kerry would allow him to even cross the border? You have to do things for the right reason and it's clear that Johnno thought he could manage Mayo by ticking a few boxes on a planner, no passion, no guts & no real commitment to the job. And no Johnno we don't want you to put your hands up for the last 60 years but for chrisakkes get them up now for the last 4 and march quickly towards the exit.
Quote from: muppet on June 08, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
2006.
Many felt there were only 2 maybe 3 forwards with IC potential on that team. Kilcoyne and Ronaldson (who probably wasn't one of those tipped for the future) are the only ones still around. As for the backs on that team 5 of the 6 are still on the panel and I think the other one played last year.
Midfield was Barry Moran and SOS.
Morale, game plan and the middle 8 players are most of our problems in that order.
These were the teams that started that day:
CORK: K O'Halloran; R Carey, C Murphy, S O'Donoghue; D Limerick, M Shields, E Cadogan; A O'Connor, P Kelly; F Gould, C Keane, P Kerrigan (capt); D Goulding, P O'Flynn, J Hayes.
Subs used: G O'Shea for Hayes (44 mins), F Lynch for Kelly (52)
MAYO: K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (capt); C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon, A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy
If they played now I would bet my life that Cork would hammer us.
This is the real indictment of JOM and the county board in my opinion. If you analyse that Mayo team we had 6 players on that team including full-back, centre-back and a midfielder who were all just one year out of minor. If these players were already at that standard at 19 years of age, then with even average coaching they should have emerged as top IC players.
Quote from: Mac2 on June 11, 2010, 10:15:42 PM
Long time since I posted here, though I do recall a post being totally against Johnno getting the job but few on the board agreed, funnily one that did was from Sligo, Magpie Seanie. I genuinely believe that what has happened with Mayo football is nothing short of scandalous yet few in the county including a compliant press had the balls to call Johnno's appointment as it was, a political stroke. Eugene McGee all but suggested that Mayo people had a nerve to question him after poor fare in 2007/08. Martin Carney is another who springs to mind that'll defend O'Mahony to the last, to paraphrase"This Mayo team is more functional now not reliant on big stars everyone playing for the team". Yeah big stars like MacDonald who were treated disgracefully by O'Mahony for that alone he should have got the boot. Aidan O'Shea is another, imagine bringing a lad over to NY and him facing into a Leaving Cert, look at him now all confidence gone almost a bit player. Here we are in 2010 and who should enter stage left only Billy Joe licking his paws looking around in amazement that he suddenly finds himself in the thick of things after being absent all year, booker prize stuff. There was a time when you'd leave Mayo games after a defeat bitterly disappointed now it's just anger at the charade being perpetrated. Am sick to my hole of all the rubbish about how we have a top psychologist working with the team, Olympic fitness coaches and what have you, players giving endless interviews about the setup being different this year, it's all guff. Can you imagine if Jack O'Connor went to Cork & won 2 All-Irelands with them. Do you think Kerry would allow him to even cross the border? You have to do things for the right reason and it's clear that Johnno thought he could manage Mayo by ticking a few boxes on a planner, no passion, no guts & no real commitment to the job. And no Johnno we don't want you to put your hands up for the last 60 years but for chrisakkes get them up now for the last 4 and march quickly towards the exit.
Well written post, hard to argue
Quote from: Mac2 on June 11, 2010, 10:15:42 PM
Long time since I posted here, though I do recall a post being totally against Johnno getting the job but few on the board agreed, funnily one that did was from Sligo, Magpie Seanie. I genuinely believe that what has happened with Mayo football is nothing short of scandalous yet few in the county including a compliant press had the balls to call Johnno's appointment as it was, a political stroke. Eugene McGee all but suggested that Mayo people had a nerve to question him after poor fare in 2007/08. Martin Carney is another who springs to mind that'll defend O'Mahony to the last, to paraphrase"This Mayo team is more functional now not reliant on big stars everyone playing for the team". Yeah big stars like MacDonald who were treated disgracefully by O'Mahony for that alone he should have got the boot. Aidan O'Shea is another, imagine bringing a lad over to NY and him facing into a Leaving Cert, look at him now all confidence gone almost a bit player. Here we are in 2010 and who should enter stage left only Billy Joe licking his paws looking around in amazement that he suddenly finds himself in the thick of things after being absent all year, booker prize stuff. There was a time when you'd leave Mayo games after a defeat bitterly disappointed now it's just anger at the charade being perpetrated. Am sick to my hole of all the rubbish about how we have a top psychologist working with the team, Olympic fitness coaches and what have you, players giving endless interviews about the setup being different this year, it's all guff. Can you imagine if Jack O'Connor went to Cork & won 2 All-Irelands with them. Do you think Kerry would allow him to even cross the border? You have to do things for the right reason and it's clear that Johnno thought he could manage Mayo by ticking a few boxes on a planner, no passion, no guts & no real commitment to the job. And no Johnno we don't want you to put your hands up for the last 60 years but for chrisakkes get them up now for the last 4 and march quickly towards the exit.
Spot on.
mAC2
think your memory is a wee bit faulty . the mayo posters here were very divided about JOM taking over. ihes fecking around for the 2 years before that exposed the man for the charlatan that his is /or has become.
I reject the notion we dont have the players to get past the loke of sligo.
Manfor man after cork and kerry mayo have as good a bunch of players as there is in the country managed properly and far better than most . but the right guys have to be in the right positons and properly motivated. it is hard to see how that can be achieved under o mahony bit i still hold out the hope that they can acheive abit of momentum this summer despite him.
As for the draw e should be praying for a real soft one just so they can find their feet again. although after losing to sligo who are you left with waterford? Clare? carlow?.
And I sincerely hope the players have a little bit more bottle anf fight that tthe lily livered posters on these page who have thrown in the towel ages ago.
Who do we wnt in the qualifier?
Quote from: Mac2 on June 11, 2010, 10:15:42 PM
Long time since I posted here, though I do recall a post being totally against Johnno getting the job but few on the board agreed, funnily one that did was from Sligo, Magpie Seanie. I genuinely believe that what has happened with Mayo football is nothing short of scandalous yet few in the county including a compliant press had the balls to call Johnno's appointment as it was, a political stroke. Eugene McGee all but suggested that Mayo people had a nerve to question him after poor fare in 2007/08. Martin Carney is another who springs to mind that'll defend O'Mahony to the last, to paraphrase"This Mayo team is more functional now not reliant on big stars everyone playing for the team". Yeah big stars like MacDonald who were treated disgracefully by O'Mahony for that alone he should have got the boot. Aidan O'Shea is another, imagine bringing a lad over to NY and him facing into a Leaving Cert, look at him now all confidence gone almost a bit player. Here we are in 2010 and who should enter stage left only Billy Joe licking his paws looking around in amazement that he suddenly finds himself in the thick of things after being absent all year, booker prize stuff. There was a time when you'd leave Mayo games after a defeat bitterly disappointed now it's just anger at the charade being perpetrated. Am sick to my hole of all the rubbish about how we have a top psychologist working with the team, Olympic fitness coaches and what have you, players giving endless interviews about the setup being different this year, it's all guff. Can you imagine if Jack O'Connor went to Cork & won 2 All-Irelands with them. Do you think Kerry would allow him to even cross the border? You have to do things for the right reason and it's clear that Johnno thought he could manage Mayo by ticking a few boxes on a planner, no passion, no guts & no real commitment to the job. And no Johnno we don't want you to put your hands up for the last 60 years but for chrisakkes get them up now for the last 4 and march quickly towards the exit.
I'd agree with that post.
Mayo people were conned by JOM.
His eye isn't on the ball - he hasn't the time to do two jobs - and he's tried to fool you talking about all this other nonsense.
My question is who do you replace him with?
Who does the SOS go out to?
If Richard Bruton replaces Enda Kenny so there is now no chance of a Mayo Taoiseach, what are the chances that Johnno will be returned? I can't see it happening, he is going to have to work like crazy over the next two years to be re-elected and where does that leave the senior team.
Only winning Sam could retain his seat I would say!!!
Quote from: myball22 on June 14, 2010, 03:45:52 PM
If Richard Bruton replaces Enda Kenny so there is now no chance of a Mayo Taoiseach, what are the chances that Johnno will be returned? I can't see it happening, he is going to have to work like crazy over the next two years to be re-elected and where does that leave the senior team.
Only winning Sam could retain his seat I would say!!!
look at enda kenny , winning sam would keep johhno and all his progeny in a seat for perpetuity
Quote from: RogerMilla on June 14, 2010, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: myball22 on June 14, 2010, 03:45:52 PM
If Richard Bruton replaces Enda Kenny so there is now no chance of a Mayo Taoiseach, what are the chances that Johnno will be returned? I can't see it happening, he is going to have to work like crazy over the next two years to be re-elected and where does that leave the senior team.
Only winning Sam could retain his seat I would say!!!
look at enda kenny , winning sam would keep johhno and all his progeny in a seat for perpetuity
edna didnt win sam.....he jus lost his dick.
If Mayo win Sam, Johnno can set up in Knock and people will flock to see him.
We need a management structure involving the straight talking David Brady as selector. He'll bring pride and passion and won't tolerate bullshit. David Heaney/James Nallen should be considered also as selectors. They are up to date with modern day tactics in football. JOM has no clue anymore. He had no Plan B after O'Hara sat in front of freeman. For a management not to get the message to the players to stop playing that ball was embarrassing. That was our only plan. Noel Connelly and James Horan would come into the mix aswell. These players are well respected but were all clever on the pitch. We need new blood. I don't know what our current selectors contribute to the team.
Sligo have 4 recently retired footballers over them and they had the tactics right the last day -it was no coincidence. Football has changed and JOM is outdated.
Being an ex-player is no guarantee that you'll be a good manager or selector. None of the players you have mentioned have any managerial experience and it would be madness to involve anymore than one of them in any future management set up. I'd be more inclined to look at managers involved at club level in Mayo for the past few years, they'd have a much better idea of the abilities of most Mayo footballers than a recently retired IC player.
James Horan has been managing Ballintubber for the past couple of years. Connelly was managing the U-21 county team along with Pat Holmes for four years and won an All-Ireland with them in 2006.
While I have great time for all of the former players mentioned here I believe none should be considered for the job in the foreseeable future. All of them are suffering from 'House of Pain' syndrome, and with the best of intentions would only produce more of the same. We need somebody with a more harder, practical approach. Saying that we also need a man that can communicate players and not be suspicious and distrustful. We need a coach who can also pick a team. We don t need a guy with a big stick and a scowl on his face. mayo football used to be a thing of wonder even when we lost. We need to get some of the joy back. Anyway this is all a bit premature. Johnno has nt decided its the right time to go yet. The board will have to give him a bit of a nudge. The fact that the development in Castlebar is costing ( I heard a figure of E600,000pa in interest) a lot, and was empty for the league and no championship match til next summer earliest has probably sealed his fate already. A new beginning will be put in place before next year s league to revive attendances. A big name will be needed to do that.
Quote from: Zulu on June 14, 2010, 09:24:09 PM
Being an ex-player is no guarantee that you'll be a good manager or selector. None of the players you have mentioned have any managerial experience and it would be madness to involve anymore than one of them in any future management set up. I'd be more inclined to look at managers involved at club level in Mayo for the past few years, they'd have a much better idea of the abilities of most Mayo footballers than a recently retired IC player.
. Who has kevin walsh, sloyan, Taylor, durcan managed? Mcgeeney? Glen Ryan?the 4 lads together could pit all their wits together, house of pain shit is rubbish, James horan for one is too clever to be wallowing in that crap. d Brady will have moved on, at the very least they know how the game has changed
How much a mile is gusto?
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 14, 2010, 10:45:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on June 14, 2010, 09:24:09 PM
Being an ex-player is no guarantee that you'll be a good manager or selector. None of the players you have mentioned have any managerial experience and it would be madness to involve anymore than one of them in any future management set up. I'd be more inclined to look at managers involved at club level in Mayo for the past few years, they'd have a much better idea of the abilities of most Mayo footballers than a recently retired IC player.
. Who has kevin walsh, sloyan, Taylor, durcan managed? Mcgeeney? Glen Ryan?the 4 lads together could pit all their wits together, house of pain shit is rubbish, James horan for one is too clever to be wallowing in that crap. d Brady will have moved on, at the very least they know how the game has changed
Kevin Walsh has no baggage having had a great career as a player. The Sligo lads with him were good players and may be able to manage a county team in the future too. McGeeney too may be the real deal. Ryan unfortunately seems to have got off on the wrong foot in Longford. The house of pain bullshit is unfortunately real and cleverness has nothing to do with it. Brady contributed his fair share of pain to that book and I don t believe any of them will ever move on. Not to say they cant be the answer same as maybe James Nallen could be the answer. The game has changed as it always does but it s the players that need to be up to speed as well as the manager. We need a coach who can do this. At the moment neither Manager or the players know what they are doing. Zulu is right about the ex-players. Horses don t make good jockeys and not all good ex-players make managers. The skills that made them great players are no good to them as managers. Looking at other sports, ( take American sports), wery few of the top coaches were great players. Managing/ coaching / picking a team is in the head. Kerry have had more success with a school teacher than the heroes of the golden era as managers. Mickey Harte was no McGuigan, O Hagan, Donaghy, McKenna, McCabe. Don't be annoyed, nobody is dissing Horan or Brady. Just like to see them do a little bit more. Why didn't either show a bit of interest in the minor job. I just think we need to break up the addiction to defeat and pain. We could get lucky and strike gold. For those of us who never wanted the present guy we were constantly chided with who else is there. Well, Kevin Walsh might have been worth considering. Think we need to go outside the loop. I would not consider anybody who has managed us or played for one of our managers the last 20 years. Too much baggage. Maybe Horan and Brady as selectors for an outsider like , for instance, a Kevin Walsh. No ranting or raving - just good management.
Quote from: moysider on June 14, 2010, 11:28:43 PM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 14, 2010, 10:45:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on June 14, 2010, 09:24:09 PM
Being an ex-player is no guarantee that you'll be a good manager or selector. None of the players you have mentioned have any managerial experience and it would be madness to involve anymore than one of them in any future management set up. I'd be more inclined to look at managers involved at club level in Mayo for the past few years, they'd have a much better idea of the abilities of most Mayo footballers than a recently retired IC player.
. Who has kevin walsh, sloyan, Taylor, durcan managed? Mcgeeney? Glen Ryan?the 4 lads together could pit all their wits together, house of pain shit is rubbish, James horan for one is too clever to be wallowing in that crap. d Brady will have moved on, at the very least they know how the game has changed
Kevin Walsh has no baggage having had a great career as a player. The Sligo lads with him were good players and may be able to manage a county team in the future too. McGeeney too may be the real deal. Ryan unfortunately seems to have got off on the wrong foot in Longford. The house of pain bullshit is unfortunately real and cleverness has nothing to do with it. Brady contributed his fair share of pain to that book and I don t believe any of them will ever move on. Not to say they cant be the answer same as maybe James Nallen could be the answer. The game has changed as it always does but it s the players that need to be up to speed as well as the manager. We need a coach who can do this. At the moment neither Manager or the players know what they are doing. Zulu is right about the ex-players. Horses don t make good jockeys and not all good ex-players make managers. The skills that made them great players are no good to them as managers. Looking at other sports, ( take American sports), wery few of the top coaches were great players. Managing/ coaching / picking a team is in the head. Kerry have had more success with a school teacher than the heroes of the golden era as managers. Mickey Harte was no McGuigan, O Hagan, Donaghy, McKenna, McCabe. Don't be annoyed, nobody is dissing Horan or Brady. Just like to see them do a little bit more. Why didn't either show a bit of interest in the minor job. I just think we need to break up the addiction to defeat and pain. We could get lucky and strike gold. For those of us who never wanted the present guy we were constantly chided with who else is there. Well, Kevin Walsh might have been worth considering. Think we need to go outside the loop. I would not consider anybody who has managed us or played for one of our managers the last 20 years. Too much baggage. Maybe Horan and Brady as selectors for an outsider like , for instance, a Kevin Walsh. No ranting or raving - just good management.
We had the outsiders in m & m in 2006. I think it will be different for those lads when they are on the other side of the line. Accept your point moysider but I like the idea of having players who are in touch with the way football has changed.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 14, 2010, 11:48:15 PM
We had the outsiders in m & m in 2006. I think it will be different for those lads when they are on the other side of the line. Accept your point moysider but I like the idea of having players who are in touch with the way football has changed.
And we had an outsider and a recent player with Jack O Shea but I dont think either party was ready for each other. M and M were brilliant for all of us. Best Summer I ever had following a Mayo team. They were dead men walking from April because of changes at the top table of the county board. The incoming junta did not like reminders of their previous about. 'relationship s between the board and management became strained'. Some day we ll find out how much it cost a certain political party .. sorry... county board to get m&m to move on and keep schum.
Sure we got tanked in the final. But I did nt hear Willie Feely complaining about 'ladeens' at any CB meeting after last 4 years defeats. M and M were good for us - just that Kerry were way better than us. But they were good coaches and crucially they actually liked the players and managed to put likes of McDonald, Brady, O Neill on the same pitch. And they played well together well after careers spent in the bear- pit of north Mayo football. Even Ger Brady played the football of his career for them.
We ve a better chance of being hit by lightening this Summer than getting to an AI final.
Quote from: Ludraman on June 14, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
Quote from: RogerMilla on June 14, 2010, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: myball22 on June 14, 2010, 03:45:52 PM
If Richard Bruton replaces Enda Kenny so there is now no chance of a Mayo Taoiseach, what are the chances that Johnno will be returned? I can't see it happening, he is going to have to work like crazy over the next two years to be re-elected and where does that leave the senior team.
Only winning Sam could retain his seat I would say!!!
look at enda kenny , winning sam would keep johhno and all his progeny in a seat for perpetuity
edna didnt win sam.....he jus lost his dick.
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Do not want either Paidi or Micko if we go for an outsider.
If that is the course taken you want somebody hungry, dedicated, for a long-haul with a modern approach to the game.
But moysider is right a big name will be required to get the excitement going and with an attempt to eat into the debt - will the Board see that though.
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2010, 08:29:57 AM
Do not want either Paidi or Micko if we go for an outsider.
If that is the course taken you want somebody hungry, dedicated, for a long-haul with a modern approach to the game.
But moysider is right a big name will be required to get the excitement going and with an attempt to eat into the debt - will the Board see that though.
the fact is there has never been a better time to be in debt , you cant get any more credit so cant get further into the hole , the bank cant sell off mchale anyway as no one could buy the feckin place or develop it and the whole country is renegotiating debt , let them sort out a longer repayment period and if they have to pay a manager ( personally i would prefer an unpaid one) then they should be able to find funding for all his expenses.. the board need to get realisitic here , they have income streams so should be able to practically dictate to the financial backers...
With all due respect to Longford.
This is a new low. Cannot really believe it, Depressing.
lets not have jom and co bullshit us any more, losing to a nobody like longford is the lowest of the low.
i will not ever listen to any more mayo talk as long as jom is in charge
Quote from: mannix on June 26, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
lets not have jom and co bullshit us any more, losing to a nobody like longford is the lowest of the low.
i will not ever listen to any more mayo talk as long as jom is in charge
I heard Johnno on some radio programme today - real politician sort of guff. Politics and sport dont miss- unfortunately it has taken Mayo GAA 3 years and 4 c'ships to realise this,
Quote from: mannix on June 26, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
lets not have jom and co bullshit us any more, losing to a nobody like longford is the lowest of the low.
i will not ever listen to any more mayo talk as long as jom is in charge
Classy guy, I'm so happy for the likes of you.
Longford were never nobodies, people should have more respect, even as a Mayo fan tonight we have to realise that Longford are a fine side who deserved their win. Mayo's problems are Mayo's problems, credit where its due to a proud football county.
billyboots,
sorry, a little annoyed that Mayo lost to a team that managed to lose to carlow and co. I worked with a longford player he was a great man to tell me all about the training and how much he loved football and how its loved in longford, congrats on the win and I hope you get a few more big nights out after Longford wins this summer.
It's the nights out in Killala I'm really looking forward to ... ;)
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 26, 2010, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: mannix on June 26, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
lets not have jom and co bullshit us any more, losing to a nobody like longford is the lowest of the low.
i will not ever listen to any more mayo talk as long as jom is in charge
Classy guy, I'm so happy for the likes of you.
you can't blame him for feeling like that considering our recent results to be fair
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on June 26, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 26, 2010, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: mannix on June 26, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
lets not have jom and co bullshit us any more, losing to a nobody like longford is the lowest of the low.
i will not ever listen to any more mayo talk as long as jom is in charge
Classy guy, I'm so happy for the likes of you.
you can't blame him for feeling like that considering our recent results to be fair
I would never call anyone a nobody, no matter how bad I felt.
O'Mahoney is gone.
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 26, 2010, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on June 26, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 26, 2010, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: mannix on June 26, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
lets not have jom and co bullshit us any more, losing to a nobody like longford is the lowest of the low.
i will not ever listen to any more mayo talk as long as jom is in charge
Classy guy, I'm so happy for the likes of you.
you can't blame him for feeling like that considering our recent results to be fair
I would never call anyone a nobody, no matter how bad I felt.
yeah true that was unnecessary
I am hearing he has resigned.
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2010, 09:33:06 PM
I am hearing he has resigned.
The bullshit is over so. Listened to the game for my sins. Nice win for Longford, fair play.
You'd think that the distance would make things easier to take. Don't know how to explain what i'm feeling, let me get back to ye.
Guys,
With the state of Mayo finances at the minute, I think the last think you want the County Board to be considering is hiring a couple of rouges like Paudi or Micko - if you catch my drift :o :'(
The project we knew was going nowhere has now come to an end. 4 Connacht u21 Titles, an All Ireland u21 Title, and two Minor teams getting to All Ireland Finals in the past 5 years means that everything is not all bad. There is something there for a new man to work with.
Just read a very depressing but accurate article here - http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/ (http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/) - and I have pasted it below. We don't need a Micko or a Paidi. We need a committed bunch of Mayo GAA men who will put definitive plans in place and surround themseles with the proper people in terms of team preparation, tactics etc. There is no reason why things cannot be a lot brighter in 12 months if the right appointment is made. But can we trust the County Board to make that appointment - it won't be quick (they will dilly dally and will want to delay any commencement of work on any new project to keep costs at a minimum); and there personal clashes and general involvement will probably keep people away.
QuoteLIVE by the sword, die by the sword.
John O'Mahony and his band of Merrymen on Mayo County Board who masterminded one of the most impressive electoral triumphs of all time when delivering the 'Prodigal Son' to Dáil Éireann as a Fine Gael TD in 2007, are today, June 26th 2010, learning that what goes around come around.
They are hurting and hurting badly after a humiliating defeat at the hands of Longford has left Mayo GAA in despair and their best laid plans in tatters. They have been left to console each other as they lick their gaping wounds.
The same way that Mickey Moran and John Morrison were left sore and alone after the men at the top in Mayo GAA circles choose to turn their backs on the amicable Derry duo in the autumn of 2006.
Moran and Morrison both spoke of their ambition for the Mayo team in the aftermath of the ill-fated All-Ireland Final of 2006. Immediately after the game they both unequivocally announced their intention to lead their adopted county into 2007 league and championship combat. Both men re-iterated their belief in Mayo and yearning to take the team one step further in 2007 in the weeks after the final, speaking with the same infectious enthusiasm and passion that was the mark of their all too short term at the helm. Kieran Gallagher, too, indicated a strong willingness to continue as selector of Moran and Morrison.
So what happened between late September and early November 2006?
Well i think we can assume that high profile, high secret talks took place, not just between potential General Election candidate John O'Mahony (who just 12 months previously said he would not manage the county) and the County Board, but also between members of the Board and high-powered officials of Fine Gael.
Remember, in 1992 when O'Mahony was involved in his high-profile divorce from Mayo, many of the same men that he was about to jump into bed with, were the very ones that he claimed he could not work with.
The net result of those top-secret discussions was that Moran and Morrison were out on their ear. If O'Mahony was to be elected and Fine Gael to take three seats in the Mayo constituency he would need to be manager of the Mayo senior football team – the exposure that would come with the territory would compensate for his political inexperience.
In return for promoting O'Mahony (which they did (a) by appointing him manager and (b) by using GAA databases to text every member in the county on the eve of polling day) the County Board would have access to a Mayo Taoiseach. And of course, we can assume that the Mayo Taoiseach would look favourably upon their application for funding for the proposed refurbishment of McHale Park wouldn't he?
At the first County Board meeting after the All-Ireland defeat to Kerry, the Chairman stated that he had yet to receive any indication from Moran and Morrison that they were willing to wait on. That was quite clearly untrue as per M&M's statements at the Final Function at The City West Hotel and subsequent press interviews.
However, the notion that our adopted management team should have doubts about staying with us opened up the can of worms. The mood in the room changed as soon as James Waldron muttered the words. Delegates became incensed that there should be doubts and all of a sudden it was criticism after criticism as delegate after delegate had their say – many of the same delegates that were pictured holding O'Mahony aloft in the Count Centre after his successful election seven months later! Most of them had also walked the highways and the byways on the canvass in the weeks and months prior to polling day and they cannot deny that.
Today though, June 26th, the web of deceit has come home to roost. Mayo have won a meagre five championship matches against such illustrious opposition as Cavan, Sligo, Roscommon, Galway and New York in four years. O'Mahony has been forced to step down. There is no Mayo Taoiseach (yet it must be said) and the Mayo County Board are straddled with enormous debts as a result of a €10 million revamp of McHale Park – a venue that has played host to just one full house (Galway, Connacht Final, 2008) in the four years of O'Mahony's regime.
You see O'Mahony simply did not give the Mayo senior football manager's job the time and ultimately the respect that it deserves.
John O'Mahony is a two-times All-Ireland winner and is quite rightly regarded as one of the best Gaelic Football managers of the last 20 years but during his second coming as Mayo manager some of his decisions were baffling and many outright ridiculous.
From 2007 to 2010 his team selections and tactics lacked clarity and consistency. He continually spoke about rebuilding and it being a young team. Not so Johno, not so.
Perhaps had he began rebuilding with genuine enthusiasm and energy, he could have gotten away with the mantra, but he didn't. Instead Mayo drifted from game to game and year to year without any real solid signs of a new team being constructed.
Take for example the four years of his regime.
2007:
•James Kilcullen started 8 league games at full-back, yet made zero championship appearances with David Heaney playing at number 3 for the championship opener against Galway.
•Heaney went on to move from full-back to midfield v Cavan and to wing-back v Derry with Liam O'Malley at full-back for both Qualifiers. O'Malley did not play in this position again under O'Mahony.
•Billy Joe Padden played 9 league games at centre-back, started wing-back v Galway in the championship before moving to wing-forward for the Cavan and Derry matches.
•Ballaghaderreen clubman David Kilcullen came in at centre-back v Cavan and Derry with Trevor Mortimer now switched to wing-back. Kilcullen did not appear in 2008, 2009 or 2010 and Mortimer went back to being a half-forward.
2008:
•Billy Joe Padden started the first 3 league games at full-back. Shrule/Glencorrib's Kieran Conroy played there for the remaining 4 games.
•Conroy started the championship opener v Sligo and Connacht Final v Galway but was substituted after 20 minutes. He didn't play here again under O'Mahony.
•Colm Boyle also started the championship games against Sligo and Galway and he too was substituted after 20 minutes. He didn't appear for Mayo again under O'Mahony.
•Tom Cunniffe became full-back v Tyrone in All-Ireland Qualifier but did not play there in 2009.
•David Heaney started centre-back for the 2 Connacht Championship games, then moved to midfield v Tyrone.
•Peadar Gardiner wing-forward v Sligo, substitute v Galway and wing-back v Tyrone
•Padden, who had started the previous year as centre-back and 2008 as full-back made one championship appearance as a wing-forward v Tyrone
•Neither James or David Kilcullen were on the panel.
•Ciaran McDonald omitted from panel
2009:
•Andy Moran played wing-back for last 4 league games, and for championship. He was back to his regular wing-forward position for the championship.
•David Heaney was back in midfield despite Tom Parsons playing most of the league in the position. Heaney had not taken any part in the league campaign.
2010:
•Andy Moran back to forward line.
•Billy Joe Padden first sub in v Sligo, despite only being on the panel for three week, then not considered v Longford despite O'Mahony making six changes to the side defeated by Sligo.
•Mark Ronaldson, who was outstanding in the league, was on the bench for Sligo and Longford games.
•In 2009 we had adopted the Twin Towers approach with big men Barry Moran and Aidan O'Shea in the full-forward line only to revert to small men in Conor Mortimer and Enda Varley for the Connacht Championship opener v Sligo.
The above examples of ever-changing team selections and ever-changing tactics pints to a man who simply did not give the Mayo manager's job the time, energy or effort it deserved.
The net result for Mayo football followers is that we are now at our lowest ebb for many years, possibily since the 1994 Connacht Final defeat, ironically at the hands of John O'Mahony managed Leitrim. The result for Mayo County Board is that their legacy will be not be one of triumph and success as they so desire, but one of distain, distrust, debt and despair.
Live by the sword, die by sword
We all have our own views about Johnnos time in charge. There is no point in personally castigating the man. The end has come now, and the pain may be over. Whatever follows can only be better than the past 4 years.
Names that are going to be listed as possible contenders:
Noel Connelly
Pat Holmes
David Brady
Liam McHale
James Horan
Kevin McStay
John Maughan
Peter Forde
And probably some others that are just not coming to mind. There should be no reason why we cannot get the right combination of 3/4 capable men to work together so that Mayo fulfil may fulfil its potential.
To be honest Connelly is the only one of those that I would be anyways comfortable with. I'd be worried they might stick in someone like Dempsey who clearly isn't the man for the job.
There's a few inaccuracies in that article but its generally on the money. That said, our achievements in 06 have been overvalued a bit (just take out the Dublin game and we were poor the rest of the year) and I never felt we were going far with the M&Ms anyway.
Micko for Mayo! Can't see him hanging around in Wicklow for another year.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 27, 2010, 11:13:50 AM
Micko for Mayo! Can't see him hanging around in Wicklow for another year.
The county board know that they would be lynched if they unveil that geriatric. They should be looking over their shoulder as it is.
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
Names that are going to be listed as possible contenders:
Noel Connelly
Pat Holmes
David Brady
Liam McHale
James Horan
Kevin McStay
John Maughan
Peter Forde
And probably some others that are just not coming to mind. There should be no reason why we cannot get the right combination of 3/4 capable men to work together so that Mayo fulfil may fulfil its potential.
To that list.
Noel Connelly - I wouldn't have a problem with this man appointed manager.
Pat Holmes - If he's to be involved, it needs to be as a selector under Connelly. The Senior job needs a manager not a team effort and I wouldn't like to see Pat being the manager.
David Brady - In a word, no. Does not yet have the experience to be an inter county manager, if a manager wants him as a selector it would be a good move.
Liam McHale - Might a goer, but I don't think he'd pass a county board as it currently stands.
James Horan - Like Brady but with a bit more managerial experience, it could be a dream move but I think it's too risky.
Kevin McStay - No. I would like to see him involved, but not as the manager.
John Maughan - No. We can't keep going back to John Maughan
Peter Forde - Would be my first choice as manager, would be ideal if he had Noel Connelly and either DB or James Horan as selectors.
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
The project we knew was going nowhere has now come to an end. 4 Connacht u21 Titles, an All Ireland u21 Title, and two Minor teams getting to All Ireland Finals in the past 5 years means that everything is not all bad. There is something there for a new man to work with.
Just read a very depressing but accurate article here - http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/ (http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/) - and I have pasted it below. We don't need a Micko or a Paidi. We need a committed bunch of Mayo GAA men who will put definitive plans in place and surround themseles with the proper people in terms of team preparation, tactics etc. There is no reason why things cannot be a lot brighter in 12 months if the right appointment is made. But can we trust the County Board to make that appointment - it won't be quick (they will dilly dally and will want to delay any commencement of work on any new project to keep costs at a minimum); and there personal clashes and general involvement will probably keep people away.
QuoteLIVE by the sword, die by the sword.
John O'Mahony and his band of Merrymen on Mayo County Board who masterminded one of the most impressive electoral triumphs of all time when delivering the 'Prodigal Son' to Dáil Éireann as a Fine Gael TD in 2007, are today, June 26th 2010, learning that what goes around come around.
They are hurting and hurting badly after a humiliating defeat at the hands of Longford has left Mayo GAA in despair and their best laid plans in tatters. They have been left to console each other as they lick their gaping wounds.
The same way that Mickey Moran and John Morrison were left sore and alone after the men at the top in Mayo GAA circles choose to turn their backs on the amicable Derry duo in the autumn of 2006.
Moran and Morrison both spoke of their ambition for the Mayo team in the aftermath of the ill-fated All-Ireland Final of 2006. Immediately after the game they both unequivocally announced their intention to lead their adopted county into 2007 league and championship combat. Both men re-iterated their belief in Mayo and yearning to take the team one step further in 2007 in the weeks after the final, speaking with the same infectious enthusiasm and passion that was the mark of their all too short term at the helm. Kieran Gallagher, too, indicated a strong willingness to continue as selector of Moran and Morrison.
So what happened between late September and early November 2006?
Well i think we can assume that high profile, high secret talks took place, not just between potential General Election candidate John O'Mahony (who just 12 months previously said he would not manage the county) and the County Board, but also between members of the Board and high-powered officials of Fine Gael.
Remember, in 1992 when O'Mahony was involved in his high-profile divorce from Mayo, many of the same men that he was about to jump into bed with, were the very ones that he claimed he could not work with.
The net result of those top-secret discussions was that Moran and Morrison were out on their ear. If O'Mahony was to be elected and Fine Gael to take three seats in the Mayo constituency he would need to be manager of the Mayo senior football team – the exposure that would come with the territory would compensate for his political inexperience.
In return for promoting O'Mahony (which they did (a) by appointing him manager and (b) by using GAA databases to text every member in the county on the eve of polling day) the County Board would have access to a Mayo Taoiseach. And of course, we can assume that the Mayo Taoiseach would look favourably upon their application for funding for the proposed refurbishment of McHale Park wouldn't he?
At the first County Board meeting after the All-Ireland defeat to Kerry, the Chairman stated that he had yet to receive any indication from Moran and Morrison that they were willing to wait on. That was quite clearly untrue as per M&M's statements at the Final Function at The City West Hotel and subsequent press interviews.
However, the notion that our adopted management team should have doubts about staying with us opened up the can of worms. The mood in the room changed as soon as James Waldron muttered the words. Delegates became incensed that there should be doubts and all of a sudden it was criticism after criticism as delegate after delegate had their say – many of the same delegates that were pictured holding O'Mahony aloft in the Count Centre after his successful election seven months later! Most of them had also walked the highways and the byways on the canvass in the weeks and months prior to polling day and they cannot deny that.
Today though, June 26th, the web of deceit has come home to roost. Mayo have won a meagre five championship matches against such illustrious opposition as Cavan, Sligo, Roscommon, Galway and New York in four years. O'Mahony has been forced to step down. There is no Mayo Taoiseach (yet it must be said) and the Mayo County Board are straddled with enormous debts as a result of a €10 million revamp of McHale Park – a venue that has played host to just one full house (Galway, Connacht Final, 2008) in the four years of O'Mahony's regime.
You see O'Mahony simply did not give the Mayo senior football manager's job the time and ultimately the respect that it deserves.
John O'Mahony is a two-times All-Ireland winner and is quite rightly regarded as one of the best Gaelic Football managers of the last 20 years but during his second coming as Mayo manager some of his decisions were baffling and many outright ridiculous.
From 2007 to 2010 his team selections and tactics lacked clarity and consistency. He continually spoke about rebuilding and it being a young team. Not so Johno, not so.
Perhaps had he began rebuilding with genuine enthusiasm and energy, he could have gotten away with the mantra, but he didn't. Instead Mayo drifted from game to game and year to year without any real solid signs of a new team being constructed.
Take for example the four years of his regime.
2007:
•James Kilcullen started 8 league games at full-back, yet made zero championship appearances with David Heaney playing at number 3 for the championship opener against Galway.
•Heaney went on to move from full-back to midfield v Cavan and to wing-back v Derry with Liam O'Malley at full-back for both Qualifiers. O'Malley did not play in this position again under O'Mahony.
•Billy Joe Padden played 9 league games at centre-back, started wing-back v Galway in the championship before moving to wing-forward for the Cavan and Derry matches.
•Ballaghaderreen clubman David Kilcullen came in at centre-back v Cavan and Derry with Trevor Mortimer now switched to wing-back. Kilcullen did not appear in 2008, 2009 or 2010 and Mortimer went back to being a half-forward.
2008:
•Billy Joe Padden started the first 3 league games at full-back. Shrule/Glencorrib's Kieran Conroy played there for the remaining 4 games.
•Conroy started the championship opener v Sligo and Connacht Final v Galway but was substituted after 20 minutes. He didn't play here again under O'Mahony.
•Colm Boyle also started the championship games against Sligo and Galway and he too was substituted after 20 minutes. He didn't appear for Mayo again under O'Mahony.
•Tom Cunniffe became full-back v Tyrone in All-Ireland Qualifier but did not play there in 2009.
•David Heaney started centre-back for the 2 Connacht Championship games, then moved to midfield v Tyrone.
•Peadar Gardiner wing-forward v Sligo, substitute v Galway and wing-back v Tyrone
•Padden, who had started the previous year as centre-back and 2008 as full-back made one championship appearance as a wing-forward v Tyrone
•Neither James or David Kilcullen were on the panel.
•Ciaran McDonald omitted from panel
2009:
•Andy Moran played wing-back for last 4 league games, and for championship. He was back to his regular wing-forward position for the championship.
•David Heaney was back in midfield despite Tom Parsons playing most of the league in the position. Heaney had not taken any part in the league campaign.
2010:
•Andy Moran back to forward line.
•Billy Joe Padden first sub in v Sligo, despite only being on the panel for three week, then not considered v Longford despite O'Mahony making six changes to the side defeated by Sligo.
•Mark Ronaldson, who was outstanding in the league, was on the bench for Sligo and Longford games.
•In 2009 we had adopted the Twin Towers approach with big men Barry Moran and Aidan O'Shea in the full-forward line only to revert to small men in Conor Mortimer and Enda Varley for the Connacht Championship opener v Sligo.
The above examples of ever-changing team selections and ever-changing tactics pints to a man who simply did not give the Mayo manager's job the time, energy or effort it deserved.
The net result for Mayo football followers is that we are now at our lowest ebb for many years, possibily since the 1994 Connacht Final defeat, ironically at the hands of John O'Mahony managed Leitrim. The result for Mayo County Board is that their legacy will be not be one of triumph and success as they so desire, but one of distain, distrust, debt and despair.
Live by the sword, die by sword
We all have our own views about Johnnos time in charge. There is no point in personally castigating the man. The end has come now, and the pain may be over. Whatever follows can only be better than the past 4 years.
Names that are going to be listed as possible contenders:
Noel Connelly
Pat Holmes
David Brady
Liam McHale
James Horan
Kevin McStay
John Maughan
Peter Forde
And probably some others that are just not coming to mind. There should be no reason why we cannot get the right combination of 3/4 capable men to work together so that Mayo fulfil may fulfil its potential.
Good article but it's amazing how none of the questions re: Johnno's motives that are being asked now were raised by anyone in the media in 2006. Nor do I believe that it's simply a matter of moving on, the county board has form here, Pat Holmes appointed over Peter Forde in 1999, again no questions asked as to how this came about, and so we served ourselves up on a platter to Westmeath a few years later and subesequently to Cork in what was one of the most insipid displays ever by a Mayo team in Croke park. The county board should not be let off the hook for this one, hard questions need to be asked off the field before we start asking them on it.
@ Mayo have won a meagre five championship matches against such illustrious opposition as Cavan, Sligo, Roscommon, Galway and New York in four years.
3 times as many all-Irelands as Mayo
Poor morale (since the league final) has to have been a factor. Mayo have shown no heart or hunger in either the Sligo or Longford matches. Like if they and Johnno knew he was going and they were all going through the motions of seeing his time out.
His tenure has been a poor one. Not nearly good enough considering the underage talent Mayo have had for quite some time. The book has to stop with him on that.
He obviously took the job for all the wrong reasons and didnt give it the focus or time it deserved. He therefore has to pay the price.
That being said he was a fine manager in his time with some great acievements. Intelligent and articulate in his media dealings. Respectful to his opponents. Organised, professional and ruthless in his team preparation.
Mayo need to forget the their so called "finals hoodoo" etc and concentrate on the now. The House of Pain book only furthered some of these myths and maybe subconsciously players bought in to them. The main goal should be to avoid a "messiah" type managerial appointment. Rock bottom. The only way is up for them.
Now that the great one has decided to leave after 4 years of making things worse, who will take over as the next Mayo Manager?
Could it be one of the following Fine Gael candidates?????
1. John Maughan
2. Pat Holmes
3. Noel Connelly
4. Michael Ring
5. Enda Kenny
Applications to Mayo County Board and ONLY members of Fine Gael need apply ;D ;D ;D
My money is on Michael Ring :)
Glen Ryan?
Is Glen a Blue shirt????
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2010, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: Hardy on June 28, 2010, 11:47:55 AM
Glen Ryan?
Or Kevin Walsh
No chance I would say. Eye is firmly on the Galway job I would think. Considering Kernan is going to be given two years possibly a little more, I would say he is very happy staying with his nicely developed improving Sligo side until the vacancey arises. The Mayo job wouldnt look the most attractive at the moment, especially with the expectation of the fans.
I can't understand calls for Peter Forde. Are ye Mayo lads not going to learn from Galway's mistakes? Replacing O'Mahoney with Forde? It just got worse and worse for Galway. Surely Mayo wont go down the same line.
To be honest, I think going for a big name is the right thing to do for once. Raise the spirits with a Paidi o Se say, no ties to anyone, no loyalties, a clean slate and it would give the county a lift.
Quote from: shaund10 on June 28, 2010, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2010, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: Hardy on June 28, 2010, 11:47:55 AM
Glen Ryan?
Or Kevin Walsh
No chance I would say. Eye is firmly on the Galway job I would think. Considering Kernan is going to be given two years possibly a little more, I would say he is very happy staying with his nicely developed improving Sligo side until the vacancey arises. The Mayo job wouldnt look the most attractive at the moment, especially with the expectation of the fans.
I can't understand calls for Peter Forde. Are ye Mayo lads not going to learn from Galway's mistakes? Replacing O'Mahoney with Forde? It just got worse and worse for Galway. Surely Mayo wont go down the same line.
To be honest, I think going for a big name is the right thing to do for once. Raise the spirits with a Paidi o Se say, no ties to anyone, no loyalties, a clean slate and it would give the county a lift.
I presume you meant to say "it would give the
other counties a lift". Paidi is not what we need. A high-profile, self-promoting 'gas character' isn't going to turn things around.
We should be able to sort this out from within the county, but maybe a fresh face who wouldn't be afraid to get rid of a few big names, or give a bollocking to the county board about the setup etc is what we need.....
Quote from: shaund10 on June 28, 2010, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2010, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: Hardy on June 28, 2010, 11:47:55 AM
Glen Ryan?
Or Kevin Walsh
No chance I would say. Eye is firmly on the Galway job I would think. Considering Kernan is going to be given two years possibly a little more, I would say he is very happy staying with his nicely developed improving Sligo side until the vacancey arises. The Mayo job wouldnt look the most attractive at the moment, especially with the expectation of the fans.
I can't understand calls for Peter Forde. Are ye Mayo lads not going to learn from Galway's mistakes? Replacing O'Mahoney with Forde? It just got worse and worse for Galway. Surely Mayo wont go down the same line.
To be honest, I think going for a big name is the right thing to do for once. Raise the spirits with a Paidi o Se say, no ties to anyone, no loyalties, a clean slate and it would give the county a lift.
I'd agree there's no chance, just being a bit tounge in cheek that if we're going to go for Glen Ryan on the basis that he's beaten us (which is what I presume Hardy was getting at) then why not also go for Kevin.
Paidi would be a disaster and the notion shouldn't even be entertained.
It needs to be a Mayo man in my view, but it needs to be the right Mayo man.
Its as simple as this, we dont have the players. Between 1994-2005 Mayo clubs went to Club final every second year. Since then ....nada. THe good players of that era ie Cahill,Ken Mortimor, Holmes, Dave Brady, Pat Fallon , James Horan, McDonald, O Neill, Heaney and James Nallen were never replaced. Would any decent county take even one current Mayo player to boost their squad. I wouldnt. We keep hearing about under age talent ie minors and U21s. Well we huffed and puffed in 2005/08/09 with the minors. Roscommon and Galway simply went out and won those very competitions in 2006/07. Sligo never won an U21 Connacht title yet they produce a Harrison, Davey, O Hara and Kelly. We love the smell of our own bullshit and the sooner we get rid of every single one of this dismal crop with the exception of Barry Moran, the O Sheas, Barrett and Freeman the sooner we will look like a county team.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
Its as simple as this, we dont have the players. Between 1994-2005 Mayo clubs went to Club final every second year. Since then ....nada. THe good players of that era ie Cahill,Ken Mortimor, Holmes, Dave Brady, Pat Fallon , James Horan, McDonald, O Neill, Heaney and James Nallen were never replaced. Would any decent county take even one current Mayo player to boost their squad. I wouldnt. We keep hearing about under age talent ie minors and U21s. Well we huffed and puffed in 2005/08/09 with the minors. Roscommon and Galway simply went out and won those very competitions in 2006/07. Sligo never won an U21 Connacht title yet they produce a Harrison, Davey, O Hara and Kelly. We love the smell of our own bullshit and the sooner we get rid of every single one of this dismal crop with the exception of Barry Moran, the O Sheas, Barrett and Freeman the sooner we will look like a county team.
bit of a rant there calm down
what about dillon and higgins ??
go and see some club games take a few deep breaths then comment
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
Its as simple as this, we dont have the players. Between 1994-2005 Mayo clubs went to Club final every second year. Since then ....nada. THe good players of that era ie Cahill,Ken Mortimor, Holmes, Dave Brady, Pat Fallon , James Horan, McDonald, O Neill, Heaney and James Nallen were never replaced. Would any decent county take even one current Mayo player to boost their squad. I wouldnt. We keep hearing about under age talent ie minors and U21s. Well we huffed and puffed in 2005/08/09 with the minors. Roscommon and Galway simply went out and won those very competitions in 2006/07. Sligo never won an U21 Connacht title yet they produce a Harrison, Davey, O Hara and Kelly. We love the smell of our own bullshit and the sooner we get rid of every single one of this dismal crop with the exception of Barry Moran, the O Sheas, Barrett and Freeman the sooner we will look like a county team.
Whatever about all of that, a new manager is still needed. A new county board as well (indeed it would be my preference to get rid of some of them before appointing a new manager) but no chance of that happening
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
Its as simple as this, we dont have the players. Between 1994-2005 Mayo clubs went to Club final every second year. Since then ....nada. THe good players of that era ie Cahill,Ken Mortimor, Holmes, Dave Brady, Pat Fallon , James Horan, McDonald, O Neill, Heaney and James Nallen were never replaced. Would any decent county take even one current Mayo player to boost their squad. I wouldnt. We keep hearing about under age talent ie minors and U21s. Well we huffed and puffed in 2005/08/09 with the minors. Roscommon and Galway simply went out and won those very competitions in 2006/07. Sligo never won an U21 Connacht title yet they produce a Harrison, Davey, O Hara and Kelly. We love the smell of our own bullshit and the sooner we get rid of every single one of this dismal crop with the exception of Barry Moran, the O Sheas, Barrett and Freeman the sooner we will look like a county team.
Whatever about all of that, a new manager is still needed. A new county board as well (indeed it would be my preference to get rid of some of them before appointing a new manager) but no chance of that happening
Agree completley, look at the shambles over the past 20 years, the same old heads there having a great old time of it, the likes of Feeney etc. When John O was at the height of his powers they poxed him and he went off to Leitrim and then Galway while we spent the summers sitting at home. Then when he was passed it they bring him back???? When was the last time any county board member did anything for the good of the GAA in Mayo firstly, and self preservation second? Also the shambles of the Mc Hale park redevelopment, a stand with pillars in it, no press box, floodlights, all the locals pissed off and a mountain of debt to be picked up by the clubs as usual. How could a business plan be put in place that factored in a sell out match between Galway and Mayo. This sums up the whole lot really arrogance and self centered interests, JOM has gone, how many more will follow? Not many i feel, time for the clubs to stand up for once and for all, yet any other year of failure and shamboilc runnig of the GAA in mayo.
Quote from: spuds on June 28, 2010, 01:08:14 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
Its as simple as this, we dont have the players. Between 1994-2005 Mayo clubs went to Club final every second year. Since then ....nada. THe good players of that era ie Cahill,Ken Mortimor, Holmes, Dave Brady, Pat Fallon , James Horan, McDonald, O Neill, Heaney and James Nallen were never replaced. Would any decent county take even one current Mayo player to boost their squad. I wouldnt. We keep hearing about under age talent ie minors and U21s. Well we huffed and puffed in 2005/08/09 with the minors. Roscommon and Galway simply went out and won those very competitions in 2006/07. Sligo never won an U21 Connacht title yet they produce a Harrison, Davey, O Hara and Kelly. We love the smell of our own bullshit and the sooner we get rid of every single one of this dismal crop with the exception of Barry Moran, the O Sheas, Barrett and Freeman the sooner we will look like a county team.
bit of a rant there calm down
what about dillon and higgins ??
go and see some club games take a few deep breaths then comment
I don't get home too much to see club matches these days, thanks to a job that has me working a lot of weekends, but after reading the Mayo News reports after the last round of club championship matches, it struck me how much poor standard of play was a common theme in all the reports. Is the standard of our club football slipping and is it indicative of a greater problem, namely execution of basic skills in pressure situations, that is now feeding into our county set-ups? When you see the amount of ball we give away and poor hand/kickpassing in matches, you seriously have to wonder what and how we are coaching players at all levels today. Alot of those players that played Saturday have played better in the past. The question is why are they regressing and is it something that can be rectified quickly by a new management?
Lists are scary at the best of times. That the same board will be still in place to appoint the new manager is terrifying. I think it ll be 1 or a pair from the 'locker room'. Also there is some back scratching to be done re. the new stand development and funding sorted etc. Believe me the consideration will not be what s best for the Mayo team but what is best for the Mayo board.
If things were done properly they will get away from the culture of perrenial pain and failure. The lads who are the future dont even remember 96/97 and certainly don't want to have to listen to it. Get a man from outside. There is no tradition of coaching tactics in Mayo. We re off the cuff and that is why we re in the mess we re in. We dont need a roarer and a shouter. Even club management in Mayo, in my experience is more about rivalry and hate than tactics and gameplan. Anybody who was at the Ballina/Knockmore match recently would know what I mean. The Mayo canditates are a list of open wounds. Graduates of the House Of Pain. Forget about them. I ve said it elsewhere. It ll be a disaster to go pick another one from that culture of hurt and resentment. We need a fresh positive upbeat approach. Brolly said a manager should come from within a county because they know the culture. Thats fine if you have a winning culture like Kilkenny, Kerry, Cork and some others. Winners breed winners.
You can't coach passion, you can't coach hunger. That appears to primarily what is missing.
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2010, 02:45:44 PM
You can't coach passion, you can't coach hunger. That appears to primarily what is missing.
Not so sure i agree.
I think the players have it but are consumed by fear of making mistakes which comes from a losing culture over the last almost 60 years where expectations are far higher than they ought to be.
Think 2006 when Jack O'Connor said after the match that Kerry hunger after 1 year was greater than Mayos after 50+. I think that was complete BS. That Mayo team had a huge amount of hunger in the semi-final but were consumed by fear in the final .... fear of success, fear of our past performance in finals re-occurring, fear of the Kerry tradition, etc etc.
Even in Longford on Saturday evening fear was the dominant undercurrent from my view of it - from Freemans first free from 25 metres that dropped short with the wind on his back to the fear in having to kick for a score that Donal Vaughan showed in injury time that would probably have won it for us.
It will take a fresh voice to break this cycle ... like another John Maughan factor in '96. He arrived with no baggage, with an air of positivity, with a confidence that in time rubbed off the players. He may have been a poor coach but was a great manager. Who can fill that mantle now ? ....... i can't believe i'm saying this but the little ferret below in Ventry ticks those boxes.
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2010, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2010, 02:45:44 PM
You can't coach passion, you can't coach hunger. That appears to primarily what is missing.
Not so sure i agree.
I think the players have it but are consumed by fear of making mistakes which comes from a losing culture over the last almost 60 years where expectations are far higher than they ought to be.
Think 2006 when Jack O'Connor said after the match that Kerry hunger after 1 year was greater than Mayos after 50+. I think that was complete BS. That Mayo team had a huge amount of hunger in the semi-final but were consumed by fear in the final .... fear of success, fear of our past performance in finals re-occurring, fear of the Kerry tradition, etc etc.
Even in Longford on Saturday evening fear was the dominant undercurrent from my view of it - from Freemans first free from 25 metres that dropped short with the wind on his back to the fear in having to kick for a score that Donal Vaughan showed in injury time that would probably have won it for us.
It will take a fresh voice to break this cycle ... like another John Maughan factor in '96. He arrived with no baggage, with an air of positivity, with a confidence that in time rubbed off the players. He may have been a poor coach but was a great manager. Who can fill that mantle now ? ....... i can't believe i'm saying this but the little ferret below in Ventry ticks those boxes.
That little ferret has plenty of baggage-ask Clare.
Out from that you're making some valid points, there has to be somebody out there. I'd personally love to see Colm O'Rourke take the Mayo job, but no chance. I think it should be someone from inside because I don't think we'll get any serious contenders from outside that would be willing to do it.
Quote from: stephenite on June 27, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
Names that are going to be listed as possible contenders:
Noel Connelly
Pat Holmes
David Brady
Liam McHale
James Horan
Kevin McStay
John Maughan
Peter Forde
And probably some others that are just not coming to mind. There should be no reason why we cannot get the right combination of 3/4 capable men to work together so that Mayo fulfil may fulfil its potential.
To that list.
Noel Connelly - I wouldn't have a problem with this man appointed manager.
Pat Holmes - If he's to be involved, it needs to be as a selector under Connelly. The Senior job needs a manager not a team effort and I wouldn't like to see Pat being the manager.
David Brady - In a word, no. Does not yet have the experience to be an inter county manager, if a manager wants him as a selector it would be a good move.
Liam McHale - Might a goer, but I don't think he'd pass a county board as it currently stands.
James Horan - Like Brady but with a bit more managerial experience, it could be a dream move but I think it's too risky.
Kevin McStay - No. I would like to see him involved, but not as the manager.
John Maughan - No. We can't keep going back to John Maughan
Peter Forde - Would be my first choice as manager, would be ideal if he had Noel Connelly and either DB or James Horan as selectors.
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/ (http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/)
Thats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
Its amazing when you see it all put together and written. Its a no holes barred piece.
Anyway regarding the choice of managers and you list:
Noel Connelly - I think he is a shoe in, but its his selectors and backroom team that needs to be right (more on this later)
Pat Holmes - I never rated Holmes as a manager or a player. I havnt heard a good word for him by anyone than has played under him which is worrying.
David Brady - His heart is in the right place but I dont think he has the head for it. Lacks any managerial experience. I think he is a hilarious pundit though.
Liam McHale - Cant see this one either. I think he was fishing for it around the time or M&M and he had no chance.
James Horan - He has to deliver us the Paddy Moclaire cup before he tries to deliver Mayo Sam. I wouldnt rule him out in the future for the Mayo job after some more experience and a few Moclair cup's coming to Ballintubber.
Kevin McStay - Liked him as a player but I dont rate him as a manager. Did some awful things when he was Mayo U21 manager and frankly isnt cut out for it. Not a bad pundit though.
John Maughan - He would certainly bring back some colour and instil some steel back in Mayo.
Peter Forde - Its hard to know with Ford. he is doing Ok with Castlebar but is there a shadow over his relationship with the county board?
My dream managerial team would be:
Manager: Noel Connelly
Selectors: James Nallen, Tommy Jordan
Or something to that effect
If connelly is the man, would Ray Dempsey be worth putting in there with him. A young up and coming coach/manager to learn the ropes and take over in 2-3 years when Connelly leaves?
Surely to christ we can find someone within the county to make a fist of it and we don't need huge backroom teams filled with all types of charlatans who are in it for themselves. One thing for sure we do need a backs coach, we haven't defended properly for years, someone like Kevin Cahill who had great positional sense and understood that defending was the first priority of a back.
QuoteThats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
A Dara Calleary backing Ballina man................
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2010, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2010, 02:45:44 PM
You can't coach passion, you can't coach hunger. That appears to primarily what is missing.
Not so sure i agree.
I think the players have it but are consumed by fear of making mistakes which comes from a losing culture over the last almost 60 years where expectations are far higher than they ought to be.
Think 2006 when Jack O'Connor said after the match that Kerry hunger after 1 year was greater than Mayos after 50+. I think that was complete BS. That Mayo team had a huge amount of hunger in the semi-final but were consumed by fear in the final .... fear of success, fear of our past performance in finals re-occurring, fear of the Kerry tradition, etc etc.
Even in Longford on Saturday evening fear was the dominant undercurrent from my view of it - from Freemans first free from 25 metres that dropped short with the wind on his back to the fear in having to kick for a score that Donal Vaughan showed in injury time that would probably have won it for us.
It will take a fresh voice to break this cycle ... like another John Maughan factor in '96. He arrived with no baggage, with an air of positivity, with a confidence that in time rubbed off the players. He may have been a poor coach but was a great manager. Who can fill that mantle now ? ....... i can't believe i'm saying this but the little ferret below in Ventry ticks those boxes.
Correct blast05. I often remember passion being the only thing that we had. It only gets you so far. Y know last 2 games we came out fired up and were well into it early on. But you need a lot more than just passion and hunger. Every team has that, or should have. No point going to an orgy without a hard-on. You re right. There was a fear and tightness about Mayo in Longford that was crippling. The Longford players would have had it sussed immediately. Roaring and shouting in dressing rooms only gets you so far. Players need to be given a plan and individual roles, not a cut of an ash plant goin out the dressing room door. Likes of AOS last evening was not given any role in the match that anybody could see. Played right he could have been a matchwinner instead of a passenger.
Not sure about the ferret bit though.
For God sake if we are to go down the road of Noel Connelly we are finished :(......he may be the chosen one in the same way as he got the contract on the McHale Park job............he should stick to the building game though....from what I have heard from players who have played under him, his style is one dimensional and involves fire and brimstone ranting in the half hour before players leave the dressing room. If that is what we need then I can think of a hundred lads and women on the terraces in Knockmore who could do that.
We need some serious operator from outside who brings with them a winning habit. If they want a stand out player from the 90's to run the team then look no further than James Nallen. Respected, intelligent, even if he is from Crossmolina ;D ;D
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 28, 2010, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 27, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
Names that are going to be listed as possible contenders:
Noel Connelly
Pat Holmes
David Brady
Liam McHale
James Horan
Kevin McStay
John Maughan
Peter Forde
And probably some others that are just not coming to mind. There should be no reason why we cannot get the right combination of 3/4 capable men to work together so that Mayo fulfil may fulfil its potential.
To that list.
Noel Connelly - I wouldn't have a problem with this man appointed manager.
Pat Holmes - If he's to be involved, it needs to be as a selector under Connelly. The Senior job needs a manager not a team effort and I wouldn't like to see Pat being the manager.
David Brady - In a word, no. Does not yet have the experience to be an inter county manager, if a manager wants him as a selector it would be a good move.
Liam McHale - Might a goer, but I don't think he'd pass a county board as it currently stands.
James Horan - Like Brady but with a bit more managerial experience, it could be a dream move but I think it's too risky.
Kevin McStay - No. I would like to see him involved, but not as the manager.
John Maughan - No. We can't keep going back to John Maughan
Peter Forde - Would be my first choice as manager, would be ideal if he had Noel Connelly and either DB or James Horan as selectors.
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/ (http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/)
Thats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
Its amazing when you see it all put together and written. Its a no holes barred piece.
Anyway regarding the choice of managers and you list:
Noel Connelly - I think he is a shoe in, but its his selectors and backroom team that needs to be right (more on this later)
Pat Holmes - I never rated Holmes as a manager or a player. I havnt heard a good word for him by anyone than has played under him which is worrying.
David Brady - His heart is in the right place but I dont think he has the head for it. Lacks any managerial experience. I think he is a hilarious pundit though.
Liam McHale - Cant see this one either. I think he was fishing for it around the time or M&M and he had no chance.
James Horan - He has to deliver us the Paddy Moclaire cup before he tries to deliver Mayo Sam. I wouldnt rule him out in the future for the Mayo job after some more experience and a few Moclair cup's coming to Ballintubber.
Kevin McStay - Liked him as a player but I dont rate him as a manager. Did some awful things when he was Mayo U21 manager and frankly isnt cut out for it. Not a bad pundit though.
John Maughan - He would certainly bring back some colour and instil some steel back in Mayo.
Peter Forde - Its hard to know with Ford. he is doing Ok with Castlebar but is there a shadow over his relationship with the county board?
My dream managerial team would be:
Manager: Noel Connelly
Selectors: James Nallen, Tommy Jordan
Or something to that effect
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2010, 03:25:19 PM
QuoteThats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
A Dara Calleary backing Ballina man................
No. He s not a Ballina man.
I can think of only one outsider.......a hardie wee monn called Peter'The Great' Canavan.
Would love to see him getting a shot at some of our boys........
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2010, 03:25:19 PM
QuoteThats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
A Dara Calleary backing Ballina man................
What is the point of arguing about something that may or may not have happened during the appointment of Johnno, now that he is gone? It never ceases to amaze me that we are always looking backwards and wonder why our team isn't going forwards. Time to move on and start working towards 2011 not looking back at 2006, 1997, 1996, 1951 etc.
Quote from: saffronandblue on June 28, 2010, 07:38:17 PM
For God sake if we are to go down the road of Noel Connelly we are finished :(......he may be the chosen one in the same way as he got the contract on the McHale Park job............he should stick to the building game though....from what I have heard from players who have played under him, his style is one dimensional and involves fire and brimstone ranting in the half hour before players leave the dressing room. If that is what we need then I can think of a hundred lads and women on the terraces in Knockmore who could do that.
We need some serious operator from outside who brings with them a winning habit. If they want a stand out player from the 90's to run the team then look no further than James Nallen. Respected, intelligent, even if he is from Crossmolina ;D ;D
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 28, 2010, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 27, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
Names that are going to be listed as possible contenders:
Noel Connelly
Pat Holmes
David Brady
Liam McHale
James Horan
Kevin McStay
John Maughan
Peter Forde
And probably some others that are just not coming to mind. There should be no reason why we cannot get the right combination of 3/4 capable men to work together so that Mayo fulfil may fulfil its potential.
To that list.
Noel Connelly - I wouldn't have a problem with this man appointed manager.
Pat Holmes - If he's to be involved, it needs to be as a selector under Connelly. The Senior job needs a manager not a team effort and I wouldn't like to see Pat being the manager.
David Brady - In a word, no. Does not yet have the experience to be an inter county manager, if a manager wants him as a selector it would be a good move.
Liam McHale - Might a goer, but I don't think he'd pass a county board as it currently stands.
James Horan - Like Brady but with a bit more managerial experience, it could be a dream move but I think it's too risky.
Kevin McStay - No. I would like to see him involved, but not as the manager.
John Maughan - No. We can't keep going back to John Maughan
Peter Forde - Would be my first choice as manager, would be ideal if he had Noel Connelly and either DB or James Horan as selectors.
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/ (http://mayosports.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/mayo-live-by-the-sword-die-by-the-sword/)
Thats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
Its amazing when you see it all put together and written. Its a no holes barred piece.
Anyway regarding the choice of managers and you list:
Noel Connelly - I think he is a shoe in, but its his selectors and backroom team that needs to be right (more on this later)
Pat Holmes - I never rated Holmes as a manager or a player. I havnt heard a good word for him by anyone than has played under him which is worrying.
David Brady - His heart is in the right place but I dont think he has the head for it. Lacks any managerial experience. I think he is a hilarious pundit though.
Liam McHale - Cant see this one either. I think he was fishing for it around the time or M&M and he had no chance.
James Horan - He has to deliver us the Paddy Moclaire cup before he tries to deliver Mayo Sam. I wouldnt rule him out in the future for the Mayo job after some more experience and a few Moclair cup's coming to Ballintubber.
Kevin McStay - Liked him as a player but I dont rate him as a manager. Did some awful things when he was Mayo U21 manager and frankly isnt cut out for it. Not a bad pundit though.
John Maughan - He would certainly bring back some colour and instil some steel back in Mayo.
Peter Forde - Its hard to know with Ford. he is doing Ok with Castlebar but is there a shadow over his relationship with the county board?
My dream managerial team would be:
Manager: Noel Connelly
Selectors: James Nallen, Tommy Jordan
Or something to that effect
Agree regarding Connelly. Very much a warm up act from what I heard. More worryingly apart from year 1 the Holmes/Connelly u21 campaigns were poor enough. Watery capitulations outside the province (stuff we ve been trying to get away from for years) and one very lucky strike v Ros in 09. We need to look at the whole picture rather than isolating one success at the begining of a 4 year term. Also some of the selections and performences were questionable.
Quote from: muppet on June 28, 2010, 08:04:35 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2010, 03:25:19 PM
QuoteThats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
A Dara Calleary backing Ballina man................
What is the point of arguing about something that may or may not have happened during the appointment of Johnno, now that he is gone? It never ceases to amaze me that we are always looking backwards and wonder why our team isn't going forwards. Time to move on and start working towards 2011 not looking back at 2006, 1997, 1996, 1951 etc.
I agree about looking forwards, my fear is that the county board will leave appointing a manager until the end of the year after the club season is over, thus denying the next manager the chance to indentify possible options in the club leagues/championships. The next guy in the job has a huge challenge, firstly to pick a squad and then to rebuild the confidence of squadmembers from the last 4 years, not to mention figuring out team and positional selections. It's going to take time so the sooner the appointment is made the better IMO.
Quote from: muppet on June 28, 2010, 08:04:35 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2010, 03:25:19 PM
QuoteThats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
A Dara Calleary backing Ballina man................
What is the point of arguing about something that may or may not have happened during the appointment of Johnno, now that he is gone? It never ceases to amaze me that we are always looking backwards and wonder why our team isn't going forwards. Time to move on and start working towards 2011 not looking back at 2006, 1997, 1996, 1951 etc.
For one thing those same wide boys who set up the Johnno appointment will be pulling strokes to appoint another patsy if they get their way. Another thing is that a lot of people who refused to accept how bad a job Johnno was doing last few years (and even trying to defend his ludicrous rebuilding efforts and shafting of players we needed) are now keeping the head down. If we want to move forward some people need to hold their hands up and say they got that wrong. I see the president of the French Football federation has gone. A few of our top table need to do the same if the next manager is to have any credibility among the football people in the county. If say likes of Connelly or a Holmes is appointed by this lot they ll have zero credibility. Time to clear the decks.
"Time to clear the decks"
Unfortunately, thats not going to happen through this board or the pubs, the only way this can happen is to start it at club level. The question is, is there the will in enough club executives to propose and see through motions to this effect, without such motions or efforts to be ruled out of order at a county convention? Or even to ask the tough questions from the floor of the convention?
Lads have not reas all the posts but you should consider Eamonn O' Boyle who has managed St Eunan's to 2 senior championships in the last 2 years in Donegal. He stepped down this year. He is a proud Mayo man from Ballina with a few championships to his name with the Stephenites. I think he is friendly with Marty Mc Grath who is supposed to be a very good trainer.
Quote from: moysider on June 28, 2010, 07:53:47 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2010, 03:25:19 PM
QuoteThats some hard-hitting stuff in that article Barney... who writes that?
A Dara Calleary backing Ballina man................
No. He s not a Ballina man.
Same fella who started up that Mchalepark.com website I think (that was shite)
Quote from: Chimley on June 27, 2010, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 27, 2010, 11:13:50 AM
Micko for Mayo! Can't see him hanging around in Wicklow for another year.
The county board know that they would be lynched if they unveil that geriatric. They should be looking over their shoulder as it is.
Agree the board should be looking over their shoulder. And they need to be ran before anything new is put in place. But I dont think that Micko should be called anything. Everybody ends up a 'geriatric' if we're lucky enough to live long enough.
Thing about O Dwyer and his methods. They worked and they still work. As far as I know Laois and Kildare had their best success in modern times with his methods. He gave Wicklow a few better days out as well. As regards the great Kerry team he managed. Great players but would they have won as much without their fitness advantage - which like it or lump it was down to running, running, running. Never trust a footballer that complains about running, like you never trust a thin cook. I still cringe aqbout Brian Maloney s interview about how hard the cross country sessions were in Belleek. A certain GB could have been a great player if he embraced running. About 10 years ago there was a national movement of players who wanted all training done with the ball. My hole. FFS there are men in their 40s/50s and upwards who run and train for marathons and ironmans and go through more punishment than footballer in training, just for the hell of it, to accomplish something. Whingers are no use and Micko sorted them out. American football coaches have been doing similar since the game developed. Who wants it? Micko was right. 100%. If he cant run he s no good to ye.Dooher s game and Galvin s game is based on running. They cover the ground and then the other ammo kicks in.
A lot of those 70s/80s kerry lads have had to have hip replacements and stuff, which is sad. So too did others who won nothing. It wasn't the laps that did them. Couldn't believe at the weekend talking about things how few local pitches are being watered during this dry period - and they are moaning about injuries. I remember training/playing on summer pitches where the winter footprints would be fossilised into baked earth ruts for the summer and not a roller or sprinkler in sight. No wonder structural damage was so common. No excuse for that any more. How much does a few lenghts of hose and a few sprinklers cost?
Who would you go for Moysider - dream appointment. but the only condition is that it has to be someone who is available
I think there's a story in there somewhere, waiting to be told. Right now, I don't know when it will emerge or even what the story content is going to be but it needs to be told before we can bring closure to the saga of the Second Coming and more importantly, of the Second Going.
Somehow, sometime between the last two league games against Cork, all threads of communication and of trust between the management and the players seem to have broken down.
How else can one explain the sudden, dramatic slump in form of all but a handful of the players and the obvious disinterest in proceedings and lack of gumption on the part of all of the management team?
Maybe I was conned too easily by Johnno's spin that the older players had lost their bottle- he was to say this some time after the fiasco in Salthill in '07 when he was asked to account for his team's spiritless display on that occasion. In my humble opinion, the meltdown that day was caused by his bizarre team selections and his inability to adapt to Peter Ford's tactical switches at the very start of the game. I had felt there was no sign of mental surrender when the Mayo team began their fight back in the second half. They certainly gave their best but they had left themselves with too much ground to recover and we left Salthill once more with our heads down. There has been little or no reason for feeling anyway upbeat since then.
By the time the game against meath ended last year, I was beginning to agree with O'Mahony; the older players had definitely lost their cojones—no doubt about that.
The lads who tore into Dublin in '06 were now reduced to depending on a 19 year old to take the battle to Meath!
Surely to Christ O'Mahony would now accept the inevitable and get off the pot, I thought but he continued to promise a brighter future for all concerned and once more asked for patience and restraint and trotted out every other effing re under the sun. Throughout the league he seemed to have a clear purpose in mind as he managed to bring on a host of young lads and former second-fiddle players. O'Mahony himself seemed to mirror his players' improvement as he appeared more slimmer, sharper and actually seemed to take an interest in what was going on out on the field of play—something that had been conspicuously missing since he first put out a championship side back in Salthill.
Besides all that, his selections had ground out some hard-fought wins in a number of those league games and all seemed set for a respectable showing, if not an actual win, against Cork.
Then I feel something went terribly wrong.
In the league decider there would have been a stewards' inquiry if the game had been held under the rules of racing as players young and old seemed intent on outdoing each other as they gave up the struggle.
The game against Sligo confirmed this and it was a case of dead men walking when they faced up to Longford. Now, one or two players may lose their form at any time but when a whole gaggle of them go off the boil together, pertinent questions need to be asked. I fully accept that others here know more about the machinations of the county board and their motives for backing O'Mahony but I also noticed the fact that Feeney and Waldron did not come to his aid when he made a mess of shafting Ciaran McDonald and used the weird excuse that he needed to close his panel on a given date. No other manager in the land stated that he was obliged to finalise his panel so the secretary needed this to calculate players' expenses for government grant purposes and Feeney didn't indicate that he needed O'Mahony to do this either.
John was left isolated and covered himself more in horse manure than glory as he tried to wriggle off this particular hook. Also, when he struck a belligerent note when the question of his re-appointment came up at the end of his second year at the helm, Feeney was quick to eyeball him when he asserted that he had never walked away from anything in his life and it was up to "others" to keep him or sack him. Feeney responded to the implied threat by reiterating the official position and putting the onus back onto O'Mahony to go or to stay. No sign of any old pals' act here or indeed anywhere else I know of.
I bear no malice whatsoever against the man but I do feel that he served the cause of Mayo football better by his departure than by his arrival. I wish him good luck in both meanings of the term.
Quote from: stephenite on June 29, 2010, 01:15:14 AM
Who would you go for Moysider - dream appointment. but the only condition is that it has to be someone who is available
I ll have to think about that. These last 4 years have been a nightmare and I wouldn't trust any appointee of this board. It s easier to say who shouldn't get it than who should. I already feel that there is a push for a quick fix from within. Let s wait and see if there is interest out there. Like Máirtín McHugh sounded in love with Mayo for the last while. There may be others. There has never been a better time to take over a Mayo team. Rock bottom and worse scenario is that it cant get any worse.
Contrary to what some people may think there is no rush with this appointment. Club championship will tell you f**k all - except the best players in the county are still O Neill and Ginger Tiernan. However the board will rush for a quick fix to prevent noise from the clubs. And the clubs are very angry. I expect the board to appoint their man asap before there is an organised swell of resentment. So probably Noel will be wheeled out. Then the clubs will be asked to stump up again. It might not be that simple this year however.There is a genuine resentment in clubs about how bad it all was let go. I cannot see clubs willing to ask members to buy/sell those 100euro tickets in the current environment. I usually bought 3/4 from lads in local clubs.I believed it was money well spent. I wont buy one this year until I see changes.
Bang on the money moysider regarding the running....sure I was in my teens training in belleek and the woods and Mayo were down there and i was close to lapping them. Sure have a look at the Westport 5k results down through the years, a number of the county team have raced and haven't broken 20mins FFS....sure the auld lad was tipping 60 and nearly caught one of them 2 years ago. :-[
QuoteI wouldn't trust any appointee of this board
No picking on this particular comment but just using it as an example of many ..... who on the board is doing such a disastorous job (examples needed) and how could they do things better ? What should their roles and responsibilities be ?
I am not trying to stir it up here but are the Mayo footballers possibly at their level and will not go beyond it no matter who the manager is? Similar to the England soccer team they are decent footballers in their own right but not good enough to push through to the next level? I don't know the club scene but what I have seen of the county team over the last few years they can play nice football on any given day but when push comes to shove are simply missing the mental/physical edge to take them to the next level.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 29, 2010, 10:23:16 AM
I am not trying to stir it up here but are the Mayo footballers possibly at their level and will not go beyond it no matter who the manager is? Similar to the England soccer team they are decent footballers in their own right but not good enough to push through to the next level? I don't know the club scene but what I have seen of the county team over the last few years they can play nice football on any given day but when push comes to shove are simply missing the mental/physical edge to take them to the next level.
Losing to Longford is our level??
We're not All-Ireland contenders - we know that. That has never been more obvious. That's not what people are expecting.
But we know that we're better than we've done in the last 4 years.
There definitely seems to be some division in the Mayo camp, at more levels than one I might add.
The last day against Longford, most of the old guard remained on the bench, even when things were going badly, and perhaps when we needed a bit of experience. It was a very, very strange move to bring on Parsons, at (5) wing back and leave Gardiner on the sideline. I assumed that their was some sort of bust up, and that Trev, Gardiner and McGarity were all left out of proceedings against Longford. I was sure Gardiner would be in for Howley but JOM went for a mid-fielder to play wing back. Says it all really. As Lar eluded to, this has yet to come out.
But the divisions go straight to the top. You simply need to read the reports by the county secretary and the county chairman last year and you will begin to understand the tension between the Waldron-JOM backers and Feeney who called a spade a spade in his report and burnt bridges it seems with the Fine Gael brigade.
In their annual reports Feeney was first out of the blocks and heavily criticised players and management after the Meath game and rightly so in my book. He called it exactly how everyone saw it and didnt pull any punches. He is totally vindicated after that report but he didnt have the backing of others on the county board, and thus you had the split.
Feeney said in his report that the county's senior football team of lacked leadership and strength, and said JOM had a lot more work to do and the total collapse against Meath was totally inexcusable (practically calling for JOMs head). He also wanted the number of challenge matches reduced and wanted clubs games to go ahead 7 days, rather than 13 days before Inter County games. All of it made sense.
Then compare that to James Waldron's annual report which seemed to contradict Feeney and supported the senior management and offered encouragement to the Mayo senior team, (as well as apologise to the residents of McHale road for any upset or ruffled feathers due to Feeneys report). Waldron reckons that Mayo were well prepared for the Meath game, and blamed the referee!?
From then on and to this day there is frosty relationships at county board level but with the election for the position of the County Board Chairman coming up in October/November I think that Waldron will be out on his head and its a huge chance for clubs to change things. I hope that the voting wont get consumed by the perceived FG politics, as it has in the past, or we could be in terminal decline for years.
Have always found it interesting that the political intrigue and machinations in Mayo GAA has revolved around the Blueshirts - thought FF had copyright on this sort of stuff.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 29, 2010, 11:16:42 AM
Have always found it interesting that the political intrigue and machinations in Mayo GAA has revolved around the Blueshirts - thought FF had copyright on this sort of stuff.
No, FF always had the Galways races tent, so horse racing meetings seems to be where they had their influence :P
There was always a blueshirt element in the ranks of the county board,
it finally blue up in their faces. :P
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Glen Ryan?
Or Kevin Walsh
No chance I would say. Eye is firmly on the Galway job I would think. Considering Kernan is going to be given two years possibly a little more, I would say he is very happy staying with his nicely developed improving Sligo side until the vacancey arises. The Mayo job wouldnt look the most attractive at the moment, especially with the expectation of the fans.
I can't understand calls for Peter Forde. Are ye Mayo lads not going to learn from Galway's mistakes? Replacing O'Mahoney with Forde? It just got worse and worse for Galway. Surely Mayo wont go down the same line.
To be honest, I think going for a big name is the right thing to do for once. Raise the spirits with a Paidi o Se say, no ties to anyone, no loyalties, a clean slate and it would give the county a lift.
I presume you meant to say "it would give the other counties a lift". Paidi is not what we need. A high-profile, self-promoting 'gas character' isn't going to turn things around.
We should be able to sort this out from within the county, but maybe a fresh face who wouldn't be afraid to get rid of a few big names, or give a bollocking to the county board about the setup etc is what we need.....
Well maybe not Paidi O'Se but I certainly think a complete outsider with a proven track record is the best option for ye. Whether you could attract a manager like that is another matter. Anyway, what do I care? I only hope you bring in Peter Ford or the like and make a complete balls of things once again.
Kevin Walsh would be a good manager for Mayo. He could be the new JOM.
There is something very touching about these Mayo threads that crop up with such regularity.
FEAR OF FAILURE
Larnapairce I agree with most of what you have said. This is my take on why a team that seemed destined to do well ended in a state of utter humiliation.
It seems to me it all started in Croke Park v Meath. We lost that game and the team and management were castigated. They put it right with a fine league display and we thought we had a more or less settled team with the bonus of several options on the bench. Then we were blown away by Cork and everything was back at ground zero again. Confidence was shattered, pressure was mounting on JOM, his selectors and on the team. The pressure that was on JOM translated into several challenge games to try to establish which were the best 15 in various positions. Players became the focus of attention. Players were fighting for their places (and avoiding being blamed) and the focus was off playing as a team.
The pressure on this Mayo team against Sligo was huge and it was a very toxic pressure compared to lets say the intense pressure of playing in an all ireland. The pressure was to avoid playing badly and being lampooned by everyone. Small wonder then that when the Sligo comeback started that the jitters set in and that we were crippled by self doubt and fear of failure.
The Longford game was a repeat of the same process except on an even higher scale. Utter humiliation was the award for losing. [There was no prize much for winning!]
The result was what I saw at first hand:
1. Players who were making basic mistakes
2. Players who were not enjoying their football
3. Players who seemed inhibited by lack of confidence and fear of failure
4. Management who were under all kinds of pressure (political and other) making poor decisions
And here is the key point – the pressure that was on JOM to succeed seemed to have been transferred onto the players in a way that actually undermined their potential. It was a pressure to avoid failure – the difference between fear of failure and ambition to win is subtle but very important in how it manifests itself in action.
One drives you on to great things – the other drives to to distraction.
De-toxing the team and building a healthy approach has to be one of the biggest challenges for the new management.
Quote from: diehard on June 29, 2010, 12:21:44 PM
FEAR OF FAILURE
Larnapairce I agree with most of what you have said. This is my take on why a team that seemed destined to do well ended in a state of utter humiliation.
It seems to me it all started in Croke Park v Meath. We lost that game and the team and management were castigated. They put it right with a fine league display and we thought we had a more or less settled team with the bonus of several options on the bench. Then we were blown away by Cork and everything was back at ground zero again. Confidence was shattered, pressure was mounting on JOM, his selectors and on the team. The pressure that was on JOM translated into several challenge games to try to establish which were the best 15 in various positions. Players became the focus of attention. Players were fighting for their places (and avoiding being blamed) and the focus was off playing as a team.
The pressure on this Mayo team against Sligo was huge and it was a very toxic pressure compared to lets say the intense pressure of playing in an all ireland. The pressure was to avoid playing badly and being lampooned by everyone. Small wonder then that when the Sligo comeback started that the jitters set in and that we were crippled by self doubt and fear of failure.
The Longford game was a repeat of the same process except on an even higher scale. Utter humiliation was the award for losing. [There was no prize much for winning!]
The result was what I saw at first hand:
1. Players who were making basic mistakes
2. Players who were not enjoying their football
3. Players who seemed inhibited by lack of confidence and fear of failure
4. Management who were under all kinds of pressure (political and other) making poor decisions
And here is the key point – the pressure that was on JOM to succeed seemed to have been transferred onto the players in a way that actually undermined their potential. It was a pressure to avoid failure – the difference between fear of failure and ambition to win is subtle but very important in how it manifests itself in action.
One drives you on to great things – the other drives to to distraction.
De-toxing the team and building a healthy approach has to be one of the biggest challenges for the new management.
Just a couple of points on this, Mayo are a highly experienced outfit, playing in major games since they were 16 years of age. we are supposed to be a top 8 team (until Sunday morning). I dont buy into this pressure to fail, either our team have the desire and drive to win a game,as Longford and Sligo did or they haven't. I have read every week before a big game, Mayo players in the media shiteing on about new belief, team ethic, lessons learned, no more hiding etc. All bullshit, JOM on newstalk before the Longford game, we never hear kerry lads, tyrone lads or their managers on the radio going on with this rubbish. We need to do our talking on the pitch and leave the media hoorisim in the stands. We are back 6 years in our progress following this shambles. The players, management, county board, regardless of them been blueshirts or commies have to take the collective fall for the mess we are in. Time to rebuild.
QuoteThe last day against Longford, most of the old guard remained on the bench, even when things were going badly, and perhaps when we needed a bit of experience. It was a very, very strange move to bring on Parsons, at (5) wing back and leave Gardiner on the sideline. I assumed that their was some sort of bust up, and that Trev, Gardiner and McGarity were all left out of proceedings against Longford. I was sure Gardiner would be in for Howley but JOM went for a mid-fielder to play wing back. Says it all really.
I actually thought bringing on Parsons was about the only sensible move made by the sideline all day. The reason was that we already had tried McLoughlin and Howley on Paddy Dowd and both got roasted. Dowd was playing all over the place and was having a huge influence on the game. When McLoughlin was being taken off, I was actually thinking that Parsons was probably the only player that had the athleticism to stay with Down but had i been on the sideline i probably would have tried Keith Higgins on him at that stage.
To assume that the bringing on of Parsons indicated a bust up with the old-guard is a bit of a stretch and is the type of comment that will be picked up from here and eventually spouted about the county as fact.
Re your comments on Feeney .... i'd agree that he is about the only 1 on the board i'd have time for. He may have screwed up in the past going on Morning Ireland giving his twopence worth on Padriac Nally but aside from that, he is the type of guy we need along with a significant influx of new blood.
For those that always use Feeneys name as the first one when slating the county board - well i'd be interested in why.
Quote from: blast05 on June 29, 2010, 01:39:48 PM
QuoteThe last day against Longford, most of the old guard remained on the bench, even when things were going badly, and perhaps when we needed a bit of experience. It was a very, very strange move to bring on Parsons, at (5) wing back and leave Gardiner on the sideline. I assumed that their was some sort of bust up, and that Trev, Gardiner and McGarity were all left out of proceedings against Longford. I was sure Gardiner would be in for Howley but JOM went for a mid-fielder to play wing back. Says it all really.
I actually thought bringing on Parsons was about the only sensible move made by the sideline all day. The reason was that we already had tried McLoughlin and Howley on Paddy Dowd and both got roasted. Dowd was playing all over the place and was having a huge influence on the game. When McLoughlin was being taken off, I was actually thinking that Parsons was probably the only player that had the athleticism to stay with Down but had i been on the sideline i probably would have tried Keith Higgins on him at that stage.
To assume that the bringing on of Parsons indicated a bust up with the old-guard is a bit of a stretch and is the type of comment that will be picked up from here and eventually spouted about the county as fact.
You could be absolutely right blast, im just speculating here but it did strike me as odd. Gardiner is one of the best athletes we have and if told to following a roving player like Dowd, as he did against Dooher in the past then I think he would have done well.
Quote from: blast05 on June 29, 2010, 01:39:48 PM
Re your comments on Feeney .... i'd agree that he is about the only 1 on the board i'd have time for. He may have screwed up in the past going on Morning Ireland giving his twopence worth on Padriac Nally but aside from that, he is the type of guy we need along with a significant influx of new blood.
For those that always use Feeneys name as the first one when slating the county board - well i'd be interested in why.
We need new blood in the county board as the current officers have failed us as much as the manager and the players have failed us.
McStays suggestion of an audit from top to bottom is a step in the right direction, I also heard Billy Fitz (I think) on about nominating a director of football for the county that would oversee this and make the sweeping changes needed.
I hope the focus goes far and wide as I think that we tend to try and patch up issues rather than actually make it right at the source and and for the future.
The problems at county level filter all the way down the club ranks in Mayo. Ill echo what I said before, that our coaching structures and education at club level are a joke compared to other counties. As a county, we should be aiming for all club managers and coaches, from U-8 to senior to get their coaching badges at a decent level so that young players coming through the ranks are coached properly.
It seems in recent years we have let the standard slip in the county. Our schools teams are being well beaten by northern teams, our minors and U21s are under achieving and our Senior team is now in terminal decline.
The county boards ideas have failed. An example of a patch-up in the past was the Mayo vocational schools teams. Those teams have failed to bring on any players of note, all it it was spoil guys too young with a county shirt and put it in their heads that they made it. The idea of a Connacht centre of excellence is set-up for another failure. Who will have access to the centre of excellence but elite players who will have a notion about themselves? How is this helping football at every level in the county let alone the province?
We need to invest heavily in structures, education and coaching at under-age club level fast if this county is to go anywhere in the future. Northern teams and even Munster teams are light-years ahead of us in this capacity, and when you think about its ironic.
Its ironic because every team in the mid-nineties looked at Mayo as the well drilled, well marshalled, well trained team who was on of the first teams to adopt serious gym, strength and conditioning and fitness work. Maughan can take credit for that and for effectively changing the game and raising the bar but little did we know at the time that not only would we be copied, we would be far surpassed by other counties.
I think yez are jinxed for taking ballaghadreen.
maybe give it back and you'll actually start winning games !
simple as that !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 29, 2010, 03:34:50 PM
I think yez are jinxed for taking ballaghadreen.
maybe give it back and you'll actually start winning games !
simple as that !
Nah, sure we had that in 1936, 1950 and 1951. ;)
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Micko for Mayo! Can't see him hanging around in Wicklow for another year.
The county board know that they would be lynched if they unveil that geriatric. They should be looking over their shoulder as it is.
Agree the board should be looking over their shoulder. And they need to be ran before anything new is put in place. But I dont think that Micko should be called anything. Everybody ends up a 'geriatric' if we're lucky enough to live long enough.
Thing about O Dwyer and his methods. They worked and they still work. As far as I know Laois and Kildare had their best success in modern times with his methods. He gave Wicklow a few better days out as well. As regards the great Kerry team he managed. Great players but would they have won as much without their fitness advantage - which like it or lump it was down to running, running, running. Never trust a footballer that complains about running, like you never trust a thin cook. I still cringe aqbout Brian Maloney s interview about how hard the cross country sessions were in Belleek. A certain GB could have been a great player if he embraced running. About 10 years ago there was a national movement of players who wanted all training done with the ball. My hole. FFS there are men in their 40s/50s and upwards who run and train for marathons and ironmans and go through more punishment than footballer in training, just for the hell of it, to accomplish something. Whingers are no use and Micko sorted them out. American football coaches have been doing similar since the game developed. Who wants it? Micko was right. 100%. If he cant run he s no good to ye.Dooher s game and Galvin s game is based on running. They cover the ground and then the other ammo kicks in.
A lot of those 70s/80s kerry lads have had to have hip replacements and stuff, which is sad. So too did others who won nothing. It wasn't the laps that did them. Couldn't believe at the weekend talking about things how few local pitches are being watered during this dry period - and they are moaning about injuries. I remember training/playing on summer pitches where the winter footprints would be fossilised into baked earth ruts for the summer and not a roller or sprinkler in sight. No wonder structural damage was so common. No excuse for that any more. How much does a few lenghts of hose and a few sprinklers cost?
Well said Moysider. It's an unfortunate truth that there has always been a hint of prima dona about the so-called Mayo style. We don't really have dogs of war, and if we do, we don't play them to their most destructive advantage. Ginger Tiernan being the prime example.
Hunger is a funny thing. Stephenite was saying that you can't coach it but you can. Chuck Noll, the great coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers' in the 1970s, was able to take Joe Greene, a man with all the talent but a serious lack of focus, and turn him into a first ballot Hall of Fame with four Super Bowl rings for his trouble. That's what he saw coaching as. You can't coach talent, raw talent. But you can coach everything else.
Blast isn't sure if Jack O'Connor was right about Kerry's one year of hunger but I remember thinking it was right on the money at the time. Another American footballer man, Dan Jenkins, had a character say in a novel that it's not want to win but hatred of losing that counts. Maybe there's something in that too.
It's all very complicated but I think Moysider is right in the back to basics thinking. Run the living Christ out of yourself and find out who you are.
I feel that there has been an overreaction to the defeats of the past few weeks. Our demise this year is a combination of a number of smaller factors. I don't believe that we have to look at root and branch reform. Our underage results over the past 5 years have been better than average. The talk of "rebuilding" etc. is a bit far off the mark. We have a modest group of footballers, the majority of which are under 25. Despite the annual media hype, we are not in the top eight in the country. While the losses to Longford & Sligo are disappointing, both those teams gave Kerry a good run for their money last year. There is no shame in losing to them. Sligo as a collective unit is probably in the top 8. Terms bandied about like shame and rock bottom are exaggerations. Rock bottom was shipping 5 goals in Croker in1993 and falling into Division 3.
Simply analysis shows that John O'Mahony did not have the time to dedicate to two full times jobs. The chopping and changing of personal and positions bear that out. He didn't know his best 15 and every time I watched them nobody seemed to know what to do. There was a lack of leaders on the field and the source of this has to be the sideline. Take the league final for example; Aidan O'Shea was more often than not double teamed. We had a spare man floating for most of the game which was underutilized. Similarly against Sligo, when O'Hara went back our spare man was once again absent.
In the past few years all of a sudden we turned into a team that hoofed high balls into our full forward. These were hit and hope balls and not the type of balls Kerry send into Kieran Donaghy, designed for his height advantage. Overnight we went from a team that couldn't kick a ball into the forward to a team that kicked every ball into the forwards. I felt sorry for Aidan O'Shea as the quality of ball was generally very poor. This directly led to his frustration and loss of form.
Some of the players need a break, Tom Parson, Kevin McLoughlin look jaded. Between U-21 & Senior, club, county, College over the past 4 years, they have played a lot of football and i think that explains why there is no appetite. The Mayo club Championship went on into October last year. Our club calendar is all wrong. It is the end of June and most club teams have played 1 championship match. There should be matches every weekend except when the county team is playing. Wrapping lads up in cotton wool and playing challenge matches is nonsense. The pace of any challenge match is never more than 3/4 speed. When we get to an All Ireland Semi final we can look at a 2 week break.
I don't believe there is any big conspiracy or big fall out to come out. It's all got a bit cosy and the tough edge has been lost. There may have been a row at the very end but this doesn't explain 2 years of malaise. A combination of poor management, absence of leadership and naivety of tactics have us where we have today. There is no fear of losing, it's become the norm.
I always like listening to Ger Loughnane talking about Clare in the 90's. It's all about inspiring players to greater things and instilling belief. There are a lot of ordinary footballers out there that have Celtic crosses in their pockets down to belief in themselves rather than any discernable talent greater than their neighbour. What made Ciaran McDonald great was not only his talent but his belief in his own abilities.
Unfortunately I don't see that power to inspire in any of the candidates mentioned so far.
How many pages in total will all the Mayowestros anguish threads reach? ;D
And to think one of them made a comment earlier this year that Ros would be looking for a new manager before the Spring was out. :-* :P
Reading through a lot of talk about the worst period in Mayo football, can't get any lower etc....... imagine if you guys had to put up with the sh*te we had to over the last decade
At least we kept it private on our own websites not inflicting our misery on the whole country. 8)
Quote from: stephenite on June 29, 2010, 01:15:14 AM
Who would you go for Moysider - dream appointment. but the only condition is that it has to be someone who is available
Cheryl Tweedy.
Quote from: ross4life on June 29, 2010, 06:20:17 PM
Reading through a lot of talk about the worst period in Mayo football, can't get any lower etc....... imagine if you guys had to put up with the sh*te we had to over the last decade
I'd still go to all the games.
QuoteBlast isn't sure if Jack O'Connor was right about Kerry's one year of hunger but I remember thinking it was right on the money at the time
I would still argue it was all about fear ... fear of failure, fear of success !, fear of Kerrys tradition, fear of the sight of the Kerry jersey, fear of another capitulation, a deep down fear that they were just simply not as good as their direct opponent, etc etc etc
The hunger was there when we played Dublin and there was no fear. Same could be said when we came back from 6 down against Galway in Castlebar. There was a genuine belief and confidence that we were better than them..... that come what may we would beat them ..... that it was our
right to beat them ..... etc
QuoteAt least we kept it private on our own websites not inflicting our misery on the whole country
I would have thought that the title of the thread gave an indication of what the debate was about and that gave people the option not to bother reading it
Quote from: blast05 on June 29, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
QuoteAt least we kept it private on our own websites not inflicting our misery on the whole country
I would have thought that the title of the thread gave an indication of what the debate was about and that gave people the option not to bother reading it
I was wondering about that myself. It's odd, isn't it? You'd think, with Roscommon still in the Championship and all, that the boys would be thinking about their own team. Will O'Gara start, maybe, or will the extra game stand to Galway/Sligo to the detriment of Ross, things like that. Instead of that, they're all the time looking enviously over the ditch at the impossible glory, the sublime rapture, the extraordinary radiance, the very Heaven on Earth that you and I Blast know as the sweet county Mayo.
Ara, the craythurs. They're like those fellas who blind themselves during the eclipses from staring at the sun. Don't worry fellas - Mayo will be back very soon and you can read lots and lots of threads about us again. You'll just have to make do in the meantime. Offer it up. That's the spirit. Brave hearts boys, brave hearts.
Am I the only one that feels that the rush to replace Johnno is a bit hasty. A meeting of the executive takes place tonight or tomorrow night. Now they might decide to take some time out and I hope they will do that. but just because maybe I m a bit paranoid doesn't mean that they re not up to something. Could it be that they want to wheel a candidate out for approval at the next full board meeting without giving an opportunity for debate and feedback from the clubs? Now I wouldn't be in favour of a genesis report/audit like Kevin McStay called for. You can imagine who would have to be on that. But I seriously feel that grassroots opinion from the clubs must be heard before we move on. Most people I ve talked to would prefer a fresh face with no baggage.
Poor result, no excuses for it really. Johnno, the backteam and players all have to take responsibility
Ultimately though it all falls on Johnnos head, his tactics were non-existent and clearly the players were flat and unmotivated.
Disappointed for JOM - despite what is said on here, he was a football man before he was a politician and will be a football man long after he has left politics.
Hard to know why a team who had the fight to come back from 6 points down against a tough team like Monaghan in March (granted, it was the league but all the same....) suddenly capitulates when faced with Cork / Sligo / Longford. I hope that there was a specific reason to explain it rather than something more endemic.
Who to replace him though? A new county board would be a start but that seems unlikely. Talk of starting from scratch in terms of coaching within the county is spot on - Tyrone is a readymade template by all accounts.
I think that we shouldn't rush into it - any Mayo man who is interested in the job will be at club games regardless. Anybody who is currently managing another team will need to finish out the championship (you couldn't expect Jack O'C or Mickey H to walk out on Kerry/Tyrone in the middle of the summer ;) ;)).
Possible names:
- Connelly
- Holmes
- Forde
- McHale (is he involved with Clare at the minute?)
- Dempsey
- Horan
- Paudie
- Micko
- Liam Kearins
- AN Other???
Seems likely to come from within the county I think.
Lot of opposition to Paudie and that would be my first impression (complete mercenary) but with the right back team, he could do a job. O'Flahartha gets a lot of the credit for W/Meaths win but Paudie put him in as trainer all the same. It would be a massive gamble and we couldn't afford him anyway so it probably makes no odds.
Would like to see Nallen in as a selector and getting the right trainer is probably as crucial as the manager. The new management should trawl the county for talent in the same way that M&M did in 2006, giving everyone a fair go of it instead of people living off their reputations.
I still think we have a reasonably talented bunch of players - whoever mentioned clearing all bar 5 or 6 of the squad and "finding 9 new players" must think we have a whole pile of IC standard footballers knocking about who have never played for mayo????
Despite the last Sunday's debacle, we have a decent young squad who are capable of competing with all bar the Big 3 if they are setup right.
Remember, it's always darkest before the dawn...........
Maigh Eo Abu
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 29, 2010, 11:16:14 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 29, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
QuoteAt least we kept it private on our own websites not inflicting our misery on the whole country
I would have thought that the title of the thread gave an indication of what the debate was about and that gave people the option not to bother reading it
I was wondering about that myself. It's odd, isn't it? You'd think, with Roscommon still in the Championship and all, that the boys would be thinking about their own team. Will O'Gara start, maybe, or will the extra game stand to Galway/Sligo to the detriment of Ross, things like that. Instead of that, they're all the time looking enviously over the ditch at the impossible glory, the sublime rapture, the extraordinary radiance, the very Heaven on Earth that you and I Blast know as the sweet county Mayo.
Ara, the craythurs. They're like those fellas who blind themselves during the eclipses from staring at the sun. Don't worry fellas - Mayo will be back very soon and you can read lots and lots of threads about us again. You'll just have to make do in the meantime. Offer it up. That's the spirit. Brave hearts boys, brave hearts.
Rossfan was talking about own websites like the one we have "stolensheep" instead you guys decide to air your dirty washing in public for any GAA fan to read
From what i hear, read & see there's no in between with most Mayo fan's it's either embarrassment the lowest of the low or this is our year.... let's paint the car's & everything else Green & Red
Sure the longford match was one of worst defeats Mayo have experienced in a long time but i have a feeling there will be more of these type of days before as you say "will be back"
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 12:37:46 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 29, 2010, 11:16:14 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 29, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
QuoteAt least we kept it private on our own websites not inflicting our misery on the whole country
I would have thought that the title of the thread gave an indication of what the debate was about and that gave people the option not to bother reading it
I was wondering about that myself. It's odd, isn't it? You'd think, with Roscommon still in the Championship and all, that the boys would be thinking about their own team. Will O'Gara start, maybe, or will the extra game stand to Galway/Sligo to the detriment of Ross, things like that. Instead of that, they're all the time looking enviously over the ditch at the impossible glory, the sublime rapture, the extraordinary radiance, the very Heaven on Earth that you and I Blast know as the sweet county Mayo.
Ara, the craythurs. They're like those fellas who blind themselves during the eclipses from staring at the sun. Don't worry fellas - Mayo will be back very soon and you can read lots and lots of threads about us again. You'll just have to make do in the meantime. Offer it up. That's the spirit. Brave hearts boys, brave hearts.
Rossfan was talking about own websites like the one we have "stolensheep" instead you guys decide to air your dirty washing in public for any GAA fan to read
From what i hear, read & see there's no in between with most Mayo fan's it's either embarrassment the lowest of the low or this is our year.... let's paint the car's & everything else Green & Red
Sure the longford match was one of worst defeats Mayo have experienced in a long time but i have a feeling there will be more of these type of days before as you say "will be back"
The worrying thing for you Ross4life is that this shite Mayo team gave you boys a right hammering last year.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on June 30, 2010, 12:49:15 AM
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 12:37:46 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 29, 2010, 11:16:14 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 29, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
QuoteAt least we kept it private on our own websites not inflicting our misery on the whole country
I would have thought that the title of the thread gave an indication of what the debate was about and that gave people the option not to bother reading it
I was wondering about that myself. It's odd, isn't it? You'd think, with Roscommon still in the Championship and all, that the boys would be thinking about their own team. Will O'Gara start, maybe, or will the extra game stand to Galway/Sligo to the detriment of Ross, things like that. Instead of that, they're all the time looking enviously over the ditch at the impossible glory, the sublime rapture, the extraordinary radiance, the very Heaven on Earth that you and I Blast know as the sweet county Mayo.
Ara, the craythurs. They're like those fellas who blind themselves during the eclipses from staring at the sun. Don't worry fellas - Mayo will be back very soon and you can read lots and lots of threads about us again. You'll just have to make do in the meantime. Offer it up. That's the spirit. Brave hearts boys, brave hearts.
Rossfan was talking about own websites like the one we have "stolensheep" instead you guys decide to air your dirty washing in public for any GAA fan to read
From what i hear, read & see there's no in between with most Mayo fan's it's either embarrassment the lowest of the low or this is our year.... let's paint the car's & everything else Green & Red
Sure the longford match was one of worst defeats Mayo have experienced in a long time but i have a feeling there will be more of these type of days before as you say "will be back"
The worrying thing for you Ross4life is that this shite Mayo team gave you boys a right hammering last year.
Nail on head there boyo! not forgetting the shite teams that beat us by 16pts, 22pts & 24pts in 2008 which proves you boys have a long way to go before you know what worry is
You're not alone at all Moysider. There is no need whatsoever for a quick appointment. The Mayo senior team won't kick another football for six months, and there is meant to be no training in the offseason anymore, isn't there?
We need to take our own sweet time appointing someone because there's more to this than just a manager. An attempt to bounce a white-headed boy in there as soon as possible should be resisted. What's the point? It's not like any white-headed boy won't still be available in November. Let's try and get this right for a change.
Some very honest and pretty hard-hitting words from Alan Dillon in today's Examiner (report by Mike Finnerty though).
Good to see at least one player is honest and brave enough to admit that it was unacceptable and the whole structure needs to be looked at:
Dillon demands major review of Mayo football after tame exit
By Mike Finnerty
Wednesday, June 30, 2010
ALAN DILLON has called for root and branch reform of Mayo football following their humiliating exit from the All-Ireland championship on Saturday.
Mayo's qualifier defeat to Longford and the subsequent resignation of manager John O'Mahony ended a miserable season for the underachieving Connacht outfit.
Dillon, one of the few Mayo players to impress at the weekend, has called for a countywide review of the game in Mayo. He stressed: "There's no short-term fix for this team. The county, in general, needs a big shake-up. From the top to the bottom needs to be examined."
But the current team didn't escape criticism for their showing at the weekend – and this year. Dillon said: "In terms of team performance, we don't seem to be fighting for each other as a team, as a unit.
"We lost the individual battles last Saturday, not enough lads were digging out the guy beside them.
"Everyone is too focussed on themselves, not the team. In championship, you have to be thinking of how the team can get better, can benefit. Lads started playing as individuals, started to lose the ball, miss passes, and fumble possession. It had a snowball effect and the confidence just seeped out of the team."
Former Mayo captain Noel Connelly, who spent four seasons as joint-manager of the county U21sbetween 2006 and 2009, has emerged as the early front-runner for the vacant senior post. A local bookmaker has installed Connelly as the favourite to succeed O'Mahony but former Galway boss Peter Ford, current Mayo U21 manager Ray Dempsey and John Maughan, who has already had two stints in charge, are also in the frame. Liam McHale, who served as a selector under Maughan, has made no secret of his interest in the job either.
Dillon told The Mayo News: "In terms of a new manager, there are a lot of good, talented people within the county that everyone in the current squad would look up to.
"People that we would all respect and can motivate a group. I think we have a lot of former Mayo players who are credible and have management experience. I think Sligo are a prime example of what you can achieve with a good management team made up of former players. Those guys have been there before."
Saturday's defeat to Longford was the culmination of a disastrous eight-weeks period for Mayo during which they lost the NFL Division 1 final to Cork and also surrendered their Connacht championship title to Sligo.
Dillon feels that Mayo's run to the league decider did more harm than good.
"The National League final probably deflated the team," he offered. "Winning league games counts for nothing when it comes to championship. We weren't reviewing the problem areas and didn't see the cracks when we were winning league matches. We were in our comfort zone in a lot of games. Then, in the last three games, we were out of our comfort zone. There's a huge lesson to be learned there and we need to re-assess everything for next year."
Understandably, the Mayo dressing-room was an emotional place on Saturday evening in the wake of their championship exit and John O'Mahony's resignation. Dillon conceded that it felt like the end of an era.
"A lot of honest words were spoken," he said. "No-one individual can take the blame for the last three games. Everyone has to take personal responsibility. I suppose the reality hit home that we were out of the championship, that we had let ourselves down, and the genuine Mayo supporters down. It's devastating to be beaten in the last three high-profile games. It's going to take time for this team to bounce back.
"It was difficult for John coming in," he added. "There were a lot of new players coming through and some of the young players just weren't of the same standard as the lads who left. You don't replace the likes of David Heaney, James Nallen and Ciaran McDonald easily."
Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/dillon-demands-major-review-of-mayo-football-after-tame-exit-123787.html#ixzz0sKFAn0Bf
That's a great piece by Dillon in my opinion. He hits the nail on the head where he says that players were playing as individuals when we were out of the comfort zone. This is what happens when there is no direction from the sideline or a gameplan to follow. Another poke at Johnno was the reference to the lack of analysis that took place during our winning run in the league. The Monaghan and Dublin games in particular showed up problems that were never addressed. The positive is that we seem to be a match for any team on talent (if as he said that we went through the league in our comfort zone) and with a bit of drive and direction we can put this year behind us.
Here's an idea that might work also.
Now that we have an empty calendar for the summer, we could run a new competition (to fit around the club championship) with four teams, one from each of the championship regions (North, South, East and West). You could get them managed by prospective county managers and stipulate in the rules that there must be x number of players from non-senior clubs, y number of players u21 or 23 etc. There could be a series of games run as double headers on a league basis to give more players a shot.
This would give some focus to the county players (that are interested in the future) and give an invauluable chance for any players that are just below the radar also. It could give the county board the chance to evaluate the working methods of some managerial prospects and get feedback from some senior players too.
I realise that everyone would need to buy into the idea but hopefully we will never have a longer summer (or need) to try something this radical again and everyone is saying that we need to start out with new thinking.
a bridge too far :'( :'( :'( :'(
AUDIO John O'Mahony after Mayo's defeat to Longford
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10140:audio-john-omahony-speaks-after-mayos-defeat-to-longford&catid=85:sports-news-audio&Itemid=100164
Here's a interview with johno in the mayo news this is the comment i find strange does he really think he built a bridge and helped to develop this mayo team ???
My term was about building a bridge between one team and another and I think time will prove that the bridge has been built, but for a bridge you have to get to the other side. In my term we're not getting to the other side.
john O'Mahony resigns as Mayo manager
The end of the affair
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Edwin McGreal
THE red faces are the give-away. Mayo players turn left out of their Pearse Park dressing room and left again to leave the complex for their bus. As they do so, it is impossible not to notice the emotion in so many of their faces.
A lot of them had been moved to tears by John O'Mahony's resignation speech which was emotive and inspirational by all accounts. The effects of it are as clear as day in the expressions on the faces of guys like Peadar Gardiner, Alan Dillon, Mark Ronaldson, Andy Moran, Donal Vaughan and many more besides.
And there is an unmistakable irony in that. Ironic that in his last act as Mayo manager John O'Mahony had moved his squad in a way that he had rarely managed to do in his four year tenure. Ironic that we see how much it means to players after the final whistle had sounded on this year's campaign.
For close to an hour the players were ensconced in the dressing room after the final whistle. It is clear from the thou shalt not pass demeanour of county board Assistant Treasurer Tommy Goonan that something serious is taking place behind closed doors. Soon Goonan goes inside and Maor Uisce Liam Ludden takes over sentry duty.
Then the exits begin. Seamus O'Shea and Alan Freeman are first out and as the players go one way, John O'Mahony's wife Gerardine and his four daughters enter the dressing room to be with him.
O'Mahony then emerges with his family and faces a collection of dictaphones. As he stands there his family are nearby, standing by their man. No word has emerged yet about his resignation but the inquiry hangs there like a bad smell. Firstly there are the 'going through the motions' questions.
"What's your reaction to that, John?" one journalist asked.
"What do you think? What's your reaction to it?" O'Mahony began rather spikily.
The opinion was put forward that Mayo played like in the Sligo game – starting well before fading alarmingly. The Mayo chief didn't agree.
"I wouldn't think it was . . . no. In fairness, like, I would say in the Sligo game we had a collapse in the middle third of the field. Today we kept battling. We gave away a lot of ball, we made a lot of mistakes, but I'd have to give full credit to the lads for the way they really put everything into the game, you know.
"I know where first round qualifiers are at. I knew coming up here this evening that I was worried about it (Mayo's vulnerability), but that if we could get over it that we would be back in business. But I knew that vulnerability was there and it did show itself in a number of periods during the game."
THE niceties out of the way, the lingering question remains. O'Mahony smiles as it is asked.
"I was waiting for that question, I could see you winding up to it there earlier on. No, my situation is that I've just told the players there that I'm stepping down as manager of Mayo. I've put four years in to it. I do think that these lads will have their day in the sun. I've said that constantly. It is not an easy thing to say on an evening when you lose a first round qualifier maybe to a perceived weaker team like Longford, but I'm absolutely convinced of that and nothing changes in that.
'But it is a results-driven game from a management point of view and I have done four years. I've just informed the county board and I've informed the players there and I wish them well. I'll continue to be a Mayo supporter. I think that they (players) have taken some harsh criticism over the last few weeks.
"I didn't mind that constructive criticism. I just didn't like some of the personal criticism that they got. But however, it is for somebody else now, and I think that they'll go back to their clubs and so on. But I think there is a lot of talent in that dressing room, and somewhere along the line they'll pull their trigger on it and get it out but I wish them well. It is not for me to guide it from here on in."
The point is made about the players having teary faces as they left the dressing room. Was it an emotional scene in the dressing room?
"Ah well sure it was," admits O'Mahony, before launching an attack on some commentators. "You create a family around you and you go through the pain, and the benefit of working with a group is that you become very good friends along the way.
"Sometimes you feel you are working against the world but I'd sincerely like to thank the real, real Mayo supporters who have been wonderful to this team. Behind the scenes, the supporters' club in Dublin and Mayo and all over the place, and I'm talking about the real ones. I'm not talking about the people that [pause] are maybe paid to comment on them sometimes.
"My term was about building a bridge between one team and another and I think time will prove that the bridge has been built, but for a bridge you have to get to the other side. In my term we're not getting to the other side.
"I think that's for somebody else and I think there's plenty of good management material around the county...
"We've exported many managers over the years, I think there'll be plenty to take it on that little bit there. It's not all doom and gloom for Mayo football but I just feel I have done everything I can.
"I've always been available to Mayo when I was asked, even through the 90s when I wasn't needed at that stage. But I've always responded. I responded four years ago and will always do that, and will continue to support these lads individually and collectively."
And did the nature of the defeat to Longford lead John O'Mahony to go or was he always going to go at the end of this year's championship? His answer was terse.
"I think I've just told you the decision and I'm not going into a long interview about it now. As a manager you can never think of yourself, so I thought of myself in the dressing room and I've decided to do what I've done and I've told you [that]."
Quote from: small white mayoman on June 30, 2010, 02:13:21 PM
Here's a interview with johno in the mayo news this is the comment i find strange does he really think he built a bridge and helped to develop this mayo team ???
My term was about building a bridge between one team and another and I think time will prove that the bridge has been built, but for a bridge you have to get to the other side. In my term we're not getting to the other side.
john O'Mahony resigns as Mayo manager
The end of the affair
Reaction
Edwin McGreal
THE red faces are the give-away. Mayo players turn left out of their Pearse Park dressing room and left again to leave the complex for their bus. As they do so, it is impossible not to notice the emotion in so many of their faces.
A lot of them had been moved to tears by John O'Mahony's resignation speech which was emotive and inspirational by all accounts. The effects of it are as clear as day in the expressions on the faces of guys like Peadar Gardiner, Alan Dillon, Mark Ronaldson, Andy Moran, Donal Vaughan and many more besides.
And there is an unmistakable irony in that. Ironic that in his last act as Mayo manager John O'Mahony had moved his squad in a way that he had rarely managed to do in his four year tenure. Ironic that we see how much it means to players after the final whistle had sounded on this year's campaign.
For close to an hour the players were ensconced in the dressing room after the final whistle. It is clear from the thou shalt not pass demeanour of county board Assistant Treasurer Tommy Goonan that something serious is taking place behind closed doors. Soon Goonan goes inside and Maor Uisce Liam Ludden takes over sentry duty.
Then the exits begin. Seamus O'Shea and Alan Freeman are first out and as the players go one way, John O'Mahony's wife Gerardine and his four daughters enter the dressing room to be with him.
O'Mahony then emerges with his family and faces a collection of dictaphones. As he stands there his family are nearby, standing by their man. No word has emerged yet about his resignation but the inquiry hangs there like a bad smell. Firstly there are the 'going through the motions' questions.
"What's your reaction to that, John?" one journalist asked.
"What do you think? What's your reaction to it?" O'Mahony began rather spikily.
The opinion was put forward that Mayo played like in the Sligo game – starting well before fading alarmingly. The Mayo chief didn't agree.
"I wouldn't think it was . . . no. In fairness, like, I would say in the Sligo game we had a collapse in the middle third of the field. Today we kept battling. We gave away a lot of ball, we made a lot of mistakes, but I'd have to give full credit to the lads for the way they really put everything into the game, you know.
"I know where first round qualifiers are at. I knew coming up here this evening that I was worried about it (Mayo's vulnerability), but that if we could get over it that we would be back in business. But I knew that vulnerability was there and it did show itself in a number of periods during the game."
THE niceties out of the way, the lingering question remains. O'Mahony smiles as it is asked.
"I was waiting for that question, I could see you winding up to it there earlier on. No, my situation is that I've just told the players there that I'm stepping down as manager of Mayo. I've put four years in to it. I do think that these lads will have their day in the sun. I've said that constantly. It is not an easy thing to say on an evening when you lose a first round qualifier maybe to a perceived weaker team like Longford, but I'm absolutely convinced of that and nothing changes in that.
'But it is a results-driven game from a management point of view and I have done four years. I've just informed the county board and I've informed the players there and I wish them well. I'll continue to be a Mayo supporter. I think that they (players) have taken some harsh criticism over the last few weeks.
"I didn't mind that constructive criticism. I just didn't like some of the personal criticism that they got. But however, it is for somebody else now, and I think that they'll go back to their clubs and so on. But I think there is a lot of talent in that dressing room, and somewhere along the line they'll pull their trigger on it and get it out but I wish them well. It is not for me to guide it from here on in."
The point is made about the players having teary faces as they left the dressing room. Was it an emotional scene in the dressing room?
"Ah well sure it was," admits O'Mahony, before launching an attack on some commentators. "You create a family around you and you go through the pain, and the benefit of working with a group is that you become very good friends along the way.
"Sometimes you feel you are working against the world but I'd sincerely like to thank the real, real Mayo supporters who have been wonderful to this team. Behind the scenes, the supporters' club in Dublin and Mayo and all over the place, and I'm talking about the real ones. I'm not talking about the people that [pause] are maybe paid to comment on them sometimes.
"My term was about building a bridge between one team and another and I think time will prove that the bridge has been built, but for a bridge you have to get to the other side. In my term we're not getting to the other side.
"I think that's for somebody else and I think there's plenty of good management material around the county...
"We've exported many managers over the years, I think there'll be plenty to take it on that little bit there. It's not all doom and gloom for Mayo football but I just feel I have done everything I can.
"I've always been available to Mayo when I was asked, even through the 90s when I wasn't needed at that stage. But I've always responded. I responded four years ago and will always do that, and will continue to support these lads individually and collectively."
And did the nature of the defeat to Longford lead John O'Mahony to go or was he always going to go at the end of this year's championship? His answer was terse.
"I think I've just told you the decision and I'm not going into a long interview about it now. As a manager you can never think of yourself, so I thought of myself in the dressing room and I've decided to do what I've done and I've told you [that]."
It s all so much soft chat as usual. When mics are shoved in your face you have to say something. The bit you highlighted is ould blather. Building a bridge and it not reaching the other side in his time. Thing is the new man will have to start from scratch or close to it. Notice he didn't say anything about leaving the team in better shape than he found it. Not even he could chance that. The bit I highlighted about day in the sun reminds me of what Jacko said when he got the bums rush in 94. He said he had no doubt that his team were the future of Mayo football. Well only 5 survived from his last team to play in 96 All Ireland just 2 championship later. As I said it s just all soft chat. By the time the sun shines for us again there ll be a lot of changes and Johnno s term will go down more as an ill-advised folly than a bridge anywhere. Such a waste of time.
At least the new management can use the NY trip for the FBD final to show their intent and spend a few weeks gettine a panel together for the trip. I sincerely hope its not going to be used as send off for the Johnno panel.
(http://www.glass5.com/Bridge%20to%20Nowhere.JPG)
brehony loses credibility in his piece from irish independent
makin out we were all expecting allireland with o mahonys return
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O'Mahony's record stands up to scrutiny
Wednesday June 30 2010
IT started in Charlestown with a win over Leitrim and ended (for now anyway) in a defeat against Longford in Pearse Park 22 years later. In between, John O'Mahony's senior championship managerial career yielded two All-Ireland and four Connacht titles with Galway, three Connacht titles (in two separate stints) with Mayo, plus a Connacht title with Leitrim, their first since 1927.
It's an impressive haul and while his second coming with Mayo didn't produce the happy ending the whole county anticipated rather presumptuously, he's still in a very exclusive club of managers who've won two All-Irelands, albeit outside his native heath.
Inevitably, he has come in for criticism for Mayo's erratic performances over the last few years, but how fair is that? Could it be that Mayo just didn't have the players to deliver to the level that Galway had under O'Mahony in 1998-2001?
John Maughan was blamed for not ending the Mayo famine during his two stints -- which included four All-Ireland final appearances -- but history suggests that was unfair too.
O'Mahony helped win prizes that had eluded Leitrim for 67 years (Connacht title) and Galway for 32 years (All-Ireland title) so there can be no doubting his pedigree.
Suffice to say that if O'Mahony ever wants to return to management, he won't be short of options.
Quotebrehony loses credibility in his piece from irish independent
I didn't know he had any left ... seriously
I think most of these Mayo players are far better than what we saw in Longford. Strange things can happen to a team when it gets into a tailspin like what happened to us recently. Things can easily go pear-shaped.
I remember Tyrone walloping Kerry in a semifinal and making them look silly. And yet these same Kerry players came back and won several all ireland medals. Mayo in 1995 were a shambles and yet a year later they nearly pulled it off. You never can tell.
i thought i had read stupid things on these pages in defense of O mahony over the last few years ( you know who you are) but Breheny piece takes the Biscuit pie and cake. is he a blueshirt fellow traveler? that the only excuse i can see for him. yes it was very unfair the treatment Maughan as it was with Mickey moran . but they got to AIFs, Omahony lost to fricking longford with a very talented bunch of players. wheres the comparison
. on e if the most common critiques of morans time in charge was that the team overperformed with him and this is giving as a negative !!!!!!!
we should go down on our hands and knees and ask him to come back with or without morrison
Quote from: rosnarun on June 30, 2010, 09:06:18 PM
i thought i had read stupid things on these pages in defense of O mahony over the last few years ( you know who you are) but Breheny piece takes the Biscuit pie and cake. is he a blueshirt fellow traveler? that the only excuse i can see for him. yes it was very unfair the treatment Maughan as it was with Mickey moran . but they got to AIFs, Omahony lost to fricking longford with a very talented bunch of players. wheres the comparison
. on e if the most common critiques of morans time in charge was that the team overperformed with him and this is giving as a negative !!!!!!!
we should go down on our hands and knees and ask him to come back with or without morrison
No fear of him coming back ,our county board don't like strong, talented individuals. What we are going to get is a "patsy" from within our own county, most likely some one with all the usual failings and disapointments and normal service will resume.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on July 01, 2010, 09:08:26 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 30, 2010, 09:06:18 PM
i thought i had read stupid things on these pages in defense of O mahony over the last few years ( you know who you are) but Breheny piece takes the Biscuit pie and cake. is he a blueshirt fellow traveler? that the only excuse i can see for him. yes it was very unfair the treatment Maughan as it was with Mickey moran . but they got to AIFs, Omahony lost to fricking longford with a very talented bunch of players. wheres the comparison
. on e if the most common critiques of morans time in charge was that the team overperformed with him and this is giving as a negative !!!!!!!
we should go down on our hands and knees and ask him to come back with or without morrison
No fear of him coming back ,our county board don't like strong, talented individuals. What we are going to get is a "patsy" from within our own county, most likely some one with all the usual failings and disapointments and normal service will resume.
Mickey and his sidekick were treated disgracefully by the county board, Feeney in particular. He had them marked as dead men walking from the outset because of the expense involved as Moran demanded that the players be treated with more respect.
Fair play to the Odd Couple, the brought some "Northern steel into the Mayo psyche," as Joe Brolly put it.
I don't accept that they got lucky along the way and that Mayo played above themelves on the way to the final. They had to battle every inch of the way against Galway, Laois (X2) and Dublin to get there; Mayo could be lucky and win one game but didn't get to the final by flukes every step of the way.
The problem I'd have with M&M returning is that the senior players had lost confidence in their training methods as the campaign progressed. Remember the kick about incident in front of the Hill before the Dubs game?
The lads didn't tell M&M of their intentions to take over the Dubs traditional patch.
There were strong rumours of rows in the camp in the lead up to the final and all in all, the team were off the boil for the game.
I'm not begrudging Kerry their win in any way but I think that Mayo team could have given a far better account of themselves if they had any belief in their management.
So unless M&M have come up with better training skills since they departed, I doubt if they would have any better luck if they were to return.
I doubt that they have as we haven't heard much of them since they departed.
No, we gotta look elsewhere.
Like you, I am afraid a lackey will be appointed and the county board will have their way per usual. I think the new appointment should be rushed through as the incomer, whoever that may be, will suspected of complicity with the board.
Look at what we got when Moran got shafted and his successor was shooed in!
All of this in the Western is suspicious to me of a Paidi coup? I wonder what the result of the meeting was -
QuoteBoard to waste no time in search for Johnno's successor
THE race to become the next Mayo senior football manager gets underway in earnest later this week when the executive committee of Mayo County Board meets in McHale Park, writes Michael Gallagher.
John O'Mahony's reign as Mayo bainisteoir came to an end on Saturday night following the disappointing defeat to Longford in the first round of the All-Ireland qualifiers and already the identity of his successor is the main conversation sweeping the county.
Mayo's shocking defeat to Longford plunged fans of the Green and Red to new depths of despair and O'Mahony brought his four-year tenure to an end shortly after the final whistle.
Now attention turns towards the vacant position and who will be the next man charged with trying to restore Mayo's football fortunes.
Mayo county secretary, Sean Feeney told the Western People yesterday (Monday) that the task of finding a new manager will begin immediately following a meeting of the executive on Wednesday night.
"A statement will be issued after that meeting. The wheels will be put in motion, we can't hang around," explained Feeney.
Whether the new man comes from inside or outside the county is one of the questions that has already divided many commentators and already Kerry's legendary football figure Páidí Ó Sé has refused to rule himself out of the running.
When contacted yesterday at his home in Ventry the former All-Star and All-Ireland winning manager explained that he wasn't going to make his position known until later in the week.
"John has only left the job a few hours and now isn't the time for me or anyone else to be talking about taking his job. When things settle down later in the week it'll be easier to see where everyone stands," he added.
Earlier this year Ó Sé said that along with Dublin, Mayo was one of the teams he would love to manage. "These are two underachieving counties and if I was in charge of either I could almost guarantee an All-Ireland," he stated in a newspaper column in January.
Other names expected to be in the frame when the position is being filled are current Mayo U21 boss Ray Dempsey, Peter Ford, Noel Connelly, Pat Holmes, James Horan, John Maughan, Liam McHale and David Brady.
Dempsey has already guided Mayo to two All-Ireland minor finals and impressed many with his style of play and organisational skills. Ford managed Sligo to within a kick of a ball of an All-Ireland semi-final when Armagh beat them in a quarterfinal replay in Navan. He succeeded O'Mahony as Galway manager and famously went on to guide the Maroon and White to a Connacht championship win over Mayo in Salthill during the Ballaghaderreen man's first season back in charge of his native county.
Connelly and Holmes brought an All-Ireland U-21 title to the county in 2006 and annexed four Connacht titles in succession before handing over the reins at the end of last season. Holmes has already had a stint in the senior job, winning the National League with Mayo in 2001.
Horan has been making great strides in club management with Ballintubber and the two-time All-Star is known for his meticulous preparation and coaching ability.
Maughan has already been in the job on two previous occasions, famously guiding Mayo to the All-Ireland final in 1996 and again a year later. He has also been in charge of Clare, Fermanagh and Roscommon and is currently making great strides with Crossmolina after previously guiding them to an All-Ireland club final.
McHale is currently part of the Clare management team and the former midfield star has already worked with the Mayo seniors when he was a selector during John Maughan's second tenure in charge of the county team. He stated on national radio over the weekend that he would love to coach Mayo in the future.
Brady is recently retired from the inter-county scene and the current media pundit is admired widely for his straight-talking style. He stated earlier this year that he would like to be Mayo manager one day and last Sunday he was very forthright when asked about Mayo's demise against Longford.
"The defeat was an all-time low for Mayo, no disrespect to Longford, they played very well and deserved to win but they're a team who only won two games in Division 4 this year. Where does that leave Mayo?
"John O'Mahony has held his hand up and has taken responsibility but I think a lot of other people have to hold up their hands within and outside the dressingroon and take responsibility too.
"Mayo are a proud people and to see that happening, to lose to a team the standard of Longford, it was a sad night. It's hard to know where they're going to look for a new manager. The last man who came from outside the county was a Derry man who brought us all the way to an All-Ireland final in 2006 and he lasted nine months so it doesn't seem to sit very well with the County Board and officials. I think a lot of restoration work has to go into the pride of Mayo and it's going to come from a man within the county, I think," said the Balliina man.
Lived in Westmeath during the Paidi tenure. I played football with one or two of the county lads, according to them at the time Paidi was great for about 8 months and then the "social side " of his character took over and o Flaherta had to do more and more. As a mayo man i don't want Paidi in charge of the team, he is out of managmenet for a while now i.e. a bit like JOM and the media attention that would come with it, some of "star" players wouldn't have time to train with all the media requests about how things have changed, team ethic, new spirit etc. :D Would the county board have to "take the soup" from the F Failers, if Paidi took over? They would bring forks to eat it!!!!!
re. Paidi.
I was in Dingle for a few days over an August Bank holiday weekend back in 2005 I think. Went out to Ventry to the pub, and of course he walked in. Drinking coffee though, so this wasn't 'craic' Paidi, this was 'scowling' Paidi.
Anyhow, texted the cousin who was on the Westmeath panel and told him where I was. Joked did he want me to say hello to the great man.
He texted me back. 'You'll probably see more of that crazy f**ker than we did all year'.
Quote from: Chimley on June 30, 2010, 11:50:13 AM
Here's an idea that might work also.
Now that we have an empty calendar for the summer, we could run a new competition (to fit around the club championship) with four teams, one from each of the championship regions (North, South, East and West). You could get them managed by prospective county managers and stipulate in the rules that there must be x number of players from non-senior clubs, y number of players u21 or 23 etc. There could be a series of games run as double headers on a league basis to give more players a shot.
This would give some focus to the county players (that are interested in the future) and give an invauluable chance for any players that are just below the radar also. It could give the county board the chance to evaluate the working methods of some managerial prospects and get feedback from some senior players too.
I realise that everyone would need to buy into the idea but hopefully we will never have a longer summer (or need) to try something this radical again and everyone is saying that we need to start out with new thinking.
Do you know Chimley, the more I think about that idea the more I like it.
A lot of prospective candidates will get on their high horse about having to do a trial but then, as the official reason Ciarán McDonald was dropped from the panel three years was that he was on his high horse about trials, we have a sauce for goose and ganders situation, don't we?
I don't think it'll ever happen though. Managers are notoriously disinclined to have to put their faith in players. I heard a hilarious story once about an outside manager who was brought in to manage a club team. Things did not go well and when what happened to Mayo against Longford happened to this club team he gathered the players together for a final valedictory address.
"I used to have a reputation in this country," said your man, "and now you c**** have gone and f******* ruined it!"
Gas. Nobody will fancy placing his reputation in the hands of players. And the last thing the Board wants to hear is what bolshie players think. The only hope for Chimley's plan would be if the Board thought they could turn some shillings at the gate. But otherwise, not a hope. It's a pity.
We'll see Maughan back yet, you know....
Statement on the future of Mayo Gaelic football now on www.mayogaa.com
Although my faith in JOM seems to have been misplaced I don't think he deserves as much of the blame as being apportioned by some. I didn't think the Cork performance was quite as bad as people were making out but his response to that performance was questionable to say the least and it is clear he wasn't building anything but reacting to situations as they arose. It also seems that the chemistry in the panel wasn't right but whether that was his fault or not is open to debate.
At the end of the day he is now gone and if Mayo want to really progress they need to reevaluate everything. I believe that you are not critical enough of your players and the priority should be looking at your underage development systems as you are producing plenty of decent players but hardly any very good to outstanding players.
You need to get far more demanding and critical, the next time a Mayo school or underage team achieves something, whether it is a provincial or AI title, pat them on the back on Sunday evening and get them back out on the training pitch on Tuesday and tell them if you hear one word about their win you'll throw them off the panel. The guy who scores 2-4 in an AI final but all of it with his right shouldn't be built up as a star but should be told he needs to develop his left if he wants to play for Mayo, they guy who is a bit on the slow side should be given a program to improve his 5 & 10m speed and if he doesn't follow it he is dropped.
Alan Freeman, AOS, Tom Parsons, Keith Higgins, Kevin O'Loughlin and others have achieved nothing yet and they all have glaring weaknesses. Tell them they have great talent but unless they are willing to address their weaknesses they can forget about playing for Mayo again. Set the bar far higher because you need to.
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Coiste Chontae Mhaigh Eó
Following the decision of John O'Mahony to step down from the position of Mayo Senior football team manager after the defeat to Longford on Saturday last, the Mayo GAA County Committee would like to thank him and the members of his management team for their contribution over the last four years.
At this point in time Coiste Bainisti, Coiste Chontae Mhaigh Eó is taking the opportunity to undertake a review of the state of the game in the county.
To do this in as complete a manner as is possible, a series of meetings will be arranged in the coming weeks and months where our clubs and their delegates, and members of the senior football panel will have the opportunity to express and articulate their views.
We feel that it is important that all those involved in our game in the county get the chance to contribute to this review.
We do not think that it is constructive for the floor to be opened to everyone as has happened on local radio this week. While many of those who have contributed have the best interests of Mayo football at heart, we do not feel that all who have voiced their opinion do. Therefore we believe it would be more prudent and productive if those involved at all levels of our game in the county be given the chance to voice their thoughts through the medium of this review process.
With the review subject to take place in the coming weeks, it has been decided to defer the appointment of the next senior football manager until after this process has been finalised.
We feel that to do otherwise would take some focus and direction away from the matter at hand - namely the overall welfare of the game in our county.
More precise details on this review will follow at a later date.
Just moving last posts from the Longford thread over to this so we can let that one finally die off
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QuoteQuote from: AZOffaly on Today at 04:42:53 PM
Not butting in here I hope, but this is the same mistake Offaly have made for years. Get rid of a manager after the Championship, and then wait for months before appointing a new one. Surely the first task a new manager should be given is to have people, and himself, watching club games during the summer to search for players he wants to take a look at when they start back again.
By waiting for 'a few months' then this opportunity passes by, and it's the same players being used by the new managers, and the same mistakes and problems evident.
Possibly, but I think most people are so disillusioned with the way things have been going over the last number of years (including players judging by performances and Alan Dillon's interview), that a review is absolutely necessary to give people confidence that some sort of structure and plan is in place to be followed by all county teams from underage up.
Plus the general consensus is that the next manager will be from within the county (as we're already up to our eyes in debt due to the new stand that hasn't even been half full yet). So the potential managers will be at club games and will already be familiar with most of the players within the county.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2010, 04:51:57 PM
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Coiste Chontae Mhaigh Eó
Following the decision of John O'Mahony to step down from the position of Mayo Senior football team manager after the defeat to Longford on Saturday last, the Mayo GAA County Committee would like to thank him and the members of his management team for their contribution over the last four years.
At this point in time Coiste Bainisti, Coiste Chontae Mhaigh Eó is taking the opportunity to undertake a review of the state of the game in the county.
To do this in as complete a manner as is possible, a series of meetings will be arranged in the coming weeks and months where our clubs and their delegates, and members of the senior football panel will have the opportunity to express and articulate their views.
We feel that it is important that all those involved in our game in the county get the chance to contribute to this review.
We do not think that it is constructive for the floor to be opened to everyone as has happened on local radio this week. While many of those who have contributed have the best interests of Mayo football at heart, we do not feel that all who have voiced their opinion do. Therefore we believe it would be more prudent and productive if those involved at all levels of our game in the county be given the chance to voice their thoughts through the medium of this review process.
With the review subject to take place in the coming weeks, it has been decided to defer the appointment of the next senior football manager until after this process has been finalised.
We feel that to do otherwise would take some focus and direction away from the matter at hand - namely the overall welfare of the game in our county.
More precise details on this review will follow at a later date.
"It's an ill wind that blows no good," or so 'tis said.
Much good may yet come out of the O'Mahony years if the county board carries out a comprehensive review of the state of Mayo football. This latest development has caught me on the hop as I wasn't expecting such an initiative to come from our board but fair dues to them if they are true to their word.
I can see the logic of what AZO says about the need to make a quick appointment but this is Mayo after all, where things don't follow in a logical sequence. A quick appointment, IMO, would be the last thing we need as the new man would be seen as a pawn in the hands of the board.
I like the comment about the local radio's open forum and how not all the comments were for the good of Mayo football. They have a f**king cheek, people care about Mayo football, pay the "expenses" for these clowns and their opinion isn't worth a shit. What they mean is the comments don't suit our board. Well f**k them and the horses they rode in on. It's time for each and every one of them to hit the road for the good of Mayo football. End of Rant.
I welcome a review of football in Mayo and I hope it brings about some good. Now what is important is who carries out the review, how it is done and how it is acted upon.
I hope the County Board have the humility and honesty to engage a reputable team of independant people to do this very important work. They themselves can have no role in this except to set it in motion and act on the findings and recommendations.
If the Board have had the foresight and courage to subject themselves to this review then they are to be highly commended. On the other hand........................have they actually thought about this angle?
Well the new manager is gonna get off to winning start in the Connacht Championship next year as you play London
Quote from: ross4life on July 01, 2010, 09:18:48 PM
Well the new manager is gonna get off to winning start in the Connacht Championship next year as you play London
Well if he doesn't! :o
PS, Gaeilgoir, is it tomorrow morning's poll you're on about? I personally think it is wrong as all kinds of names will be bandied about by some people who go to matches once or twice a year. That's my own view on the thing.
Ha, Ha. Prenty on local radio here bemoaning the lack of interest in the minor match. What de f**k do they expect. I would have gone to all these minor matches but last weeks game coincided with the senior match in Longford. This game has been moved to 3 o clock on Saturday which clashes with something I enter in months ago on that date.
While this review is to be welcomed I ll wait and see what will come under the microscope. Already I fear the scrutiny may focus on easy targets. Even before this new initiative was proposed a few coaches I spoke to were raging that likes of McStay seemed to be laying the blame on development squads and underage teams to account for the collapse of the the O Mahoney senior team. Maybe that is a ploy to take the heat off the big man - something he has been working overtime to do himself since he quit with soft interviews on Midwest and Newstalk.
If this review is to have any credibility it needs to focus on the substantive issue, ie, What the f**k happened the last few years and how was it allowed to happen? Will the fact that Johnno had to reschedule training between Sligo and Longford because ot the Battle for Enda be examined? Will the McDonald mess be called for what it was? Or will the axe fall on the small fry that actually produce good raw material year in year out.
QuoteOr will the axe fall on the small fry that actually produce good raw material year in year out.
I don't think you do Moysider. Although I agree that everything must be scrutinised but I would also question why Mayo are no longer producing big strong quality footballers or really good scoring forwards. The very best players are born more than made but you can develop better players who are more flexible and play to a system. Are young players being played in different positions, being taught how to play different systems and are their weaknesses being tackled? Everything should be on the table and whatever faults JOM made focusing on things you can't change shouldn't be the focus of this review.
Mayo haven't won an All Ireland since 1951 - everything should be on the table with a view to fixing that. Whether or not certain players played under JOM is small beer in comparison to what needs to be fixed, and whatever any gripes people have with JOM is small beer also.
I don't agree that what happened over the last few years is the substantive issue-there are more serious underlying issues relating to our culture, our club scene, coaching, administrative structures etc. that all need to be taken into account
The last thing Mayo football needs is some petty blame game, everyone from the County board down to over-expectant supporters need to take some share of the blame if we are to move on in and fix what needs to be fixed.
Maybe Mick O dwyer Is the option???
With his blessings,
MM100
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2010, 11:39:30 PM
QuoteOr will the axe fall on the small fry that actually produce good raw material year in year out.
I don't think you do Moysider. Although I agree that everything must be scrutinised but I would also question why Mayo are no longer producing big strong quality footballers or really good scoring forwards. The very best players are born more than made but you can develop better players who are more flexible and play to a system. Are young players being played in different positions, being taught how to play different systems and are their weaknesses being tackled? Everything should be on the table and whatever faults JOM made focusing on things you can't change shouldn't be the focus of this review.
I knew this would get a reaction. As regards the highlighted bit, well we had some big strong lads in the past. Maher, TJ, Colm Mac etc but it was hardly coaching that produced them - there were no structures at all then. As regards scoring forwards... well y'know the story there yourself. However some very good players do still come through. It s haphazard I know but I suspect every county is at the mercy of the gene pool and chance. We ve had more raw material than most but we ve handled it poorly at senior level. And in fairness not alone in the Johnno era.
My problem with the last few years is that players have gone backward in their adult years. Trevor, Parsons etc. All a player has at 17/18/19 is potential. We produce enough of those. They go nowhere after that. Kirby and O Connor are as good as there is anywhere now at their age I would suspect. Will they in 3 years time is the question?
As regards the italics/underlined bit. I m not a county board coach, nor have I anything to do with development squads in the county. But I have sympathy for those that are/have. The scrutiny now seems to be falling on them. IMO they produced players that were among the best year in year out at minor and at times U21. If anything it was the subsequent mismanagement that was the problem. Does nobody remember the carnage between the Kean and Dempsey managements at minor level!?
Quote from: stephenite on July 01, 2010, 11:53:46 PM
Mayo haven't won an All Ireland since 1951 - everything should be on the table with a view to fixing that. Whether or not certain players played under JOM is small beer in comparison to what needs to be fixed, and whatever any gripes people have with JOM is small beer also.
I don't agree that what happened over the last few years is the substantive issue-there are more serious underlying issues relating to our culture, our club scene, coaching, administrative structures etc. that all need to be taken into account
The last thing Mayo football needs is some petty blame game, everyone from the County board down to over-expectant supporters need to take some share of the blame if we are to move on in and fix what needs to be fixed.
I don't think the concerns that some people had with the Johnno administration should be brushed aside as small beer and gripes. In fairness some of us could have come on here crowing ' told ye so', the last week, but we didn't. And some of us so have being crying stop for a few years now. The Johnno backers are now few on the ground and those that are seem anxious to move on and turn the microscope elsewhere. That s understandable. Problem is we ve seen this all before. 'No point looking back, time to move on'. Only by confronting and then dealing with the failings of the past can we move on. I for one want answers. I believe Johnno should attend a review of a committee of the board to explain the more bizzare aspects of his tenure. Resignation should not get him off the hook. Soft radio interviews with a few spiky replies to anything searching is not good enough.
Yeah the club scene is not great now but is anything being done differently than when it was great a few years ago. I have kids that are being coached underage and I m very grateful to the guys that give it so much effort, and texting 30 odd parents a few times a week and organising sessions, transport etc is a huge commitment. They re doing a great job imo. Do we really want to change our culture much? By admin. structures do you mean the board? Yeah can do better. However it is the performance of the senior team that should be the focus of this review.
Quote from: moysider on July 02, 2010, 12:46:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on July 01, 2010, 11:53:46 PM
Mayo haven't won an All Ireland since 1951 - everything should be on the table with a view to fixing that. Whether or not certain players played under JOM is small beer in comparison to what needs to be fixed, and whatever any gripes people have with JOM is small beer also.
I don't agree that what happened over the last few years is the substantive issue-there are more serious underlying issues relating to our culture, our club scene, coaching, administrative structures etc. that all need to be taken into account
The last thing Mayo football needs is some petty blame game, everyone from the County board down to over-expectant supporters need to take some share of the blame if we are to move on in and fix what needs to be fixed.
I don't think the concerns that some people had with the Johnno administration should be brushed aside as small beer and gripes. In fairness some of us could have come on here crowing ' told ye so', the last week, but we didn't. And some of us so have being crying stop for a few years now. The Johnno backers are now few on the ground and those that are seem anxious to move on and turn the microscope elsewhere. That s understandable. Problem is we ve seen this all before. 'No point looking back, time to move on'. Only by confronting and then dealing with the failings of the past can we move on. I for one want answers. I believe Johnno should attend a review of a committee of the board to explain the more bizzare aspects of his tenure. Resignation should not get him off the hook. Soft radio interviews with a few spiky replies to anything searching is not good enough.
Yeah the club scene is not great now but is anything being done differently than when it was great a few years ago. I have kids that are being coached underage and I m very grateful to the guys that give it so much effort, and texting 30 odd parents a few times a week and organising sessions, transport etc is a huge commitment. They re doing a great job imo. Do we really want to change our culture much? By admin. structures do you mean the board? Yeah can do better. However it is the performance of the senior team that should be the focus of this review.
You also have to be realistic - and Johnno ain't going to attend and say I was wrong about Mac, and I was wrong to try and be a politician at the same time as trying to get re-elected. To all appearances he is an amateur volunteer so he can't be forced to attend a meeting.
I'm not trying to brush aside your concerns, but I can't for the life of me understand why people think they deserve to hear explanations about why certain players weren't picked? What are really trying to achieve here? You're right, it has been going on for years, but I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve by having more spin and double speak being given to a committee about why Ciaran Mac didn't feature - just a waste of everyones time. You're also right in that easy platitudes shouldn't be dished out about movning forward - there needs to be a close examination of what has gone wrong at every level of the game and what can be done to make improvments.
This senior team should not be the focus - that's just typical 'small picture' rubbish, you're original post wants to focus on the last few years, with all the greatest respect (and you were right all along about JOM and his failings) but I cannot agree with that either, I think it would be the greatest mistake that could be made with a review of this sort. The last few years are the result of a general malaise within the county.
Moysider - have you talked to the club delegate about having your concers addressed at this review?
Lets forget about JOM , he was a blight on mayo football the last few years. and we should metaphorically shake the dust off your feet and leave that town . And we have a right to be angry at the county board for 1st appointing him and secondly leaving him there in fact i think last year was the only year he shouldn't have been sacked . even this year after the sligo game it was obvious he had lost the dressing room and was clueless as what to do.
but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water m Mayo's structures compare very well with all other counties . we continusly produce competitive under age teams and our clubs routinely do well in the club championships and up untill JOM our problems was an inability to finish out winning an All ireland final nor losing to f**king longford and sligo. untill firther evidence is seen we have to take this as a JOM Fueled abberation. there is huge talent on the may senior team , which is being added to each year S o SE and Alan freeman this year for example.
Lets keep doing the right thing support our players and get the right man appointed for the right reasons not some big name gimmick manager like paudi or micko who will take the pressure off the county board.
Quote from: stephenite on July 02, 2010, 01:08:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 02, 2010, 12:46:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on July 01, 2010, 11:53:46 PM
Mayo haven't won an All Ireland since 1951 - everything should be on the table with a view to fixing that. Whether or not certain players played under JOM is small beer in comparison to what needs to be fixed, and whatever any gripes people have with JOM is small beer also.
I don't agree that what happened over the last few years is the substantive issue-there are more serious underlying issues relating to our culture, our club scene, coaching, administrative structures etc. that all need to be taken into account
The last thing Mayo football needs is some petty blame game, everyone from the County board down to over-expectant supporters need to take some share of the blame if we are to move on in and fix what needs to be fixed.
I don't think the concerns that some people had with the Johnno administration should be brushed aside as small beer and gripes. In fairness some of us could have come on here crowing ' told ye so', the last week, but we didn't. And some of us so have being crying stop for a few years now. The Johnno backers are now few on the ground and those that are seem anxious to move on and turn the microscope elsewhere. That s understandable. Problem is we ve seen this all before. 'No point looking back, time to move on'. Only by confronting and then dealing with the failings of the past can we move on. I for one want answers. I believe Johnno should attend a review of a committee of the board to explain the more bizzare aspects of his tenure. Resignation should not get him off the hook. Soft radio interviews with a few spiky replies to anything searching is not good enough.
Yeah the club scene is not great now but is anything being done differently than when it was great a few years ago. I have kids that are being coached underage and I m very grateful to the guys that give it so much effort, and texting 30 odd parents a few times a week and organising sessions, transport etc is a huge commitment. They re doing a great job imo. Do we really want to change our culture much? By admin. structures do you mean the board? Yeah can do better. However it is the performance of the senior team that should be the focus of this review.
You also have to be realistic - and Johnno ain't going to attend and say I was wrong about Mac, and I was wrong to try and be a politician at the same time as trying to get re-elected. To all appearances he is an amateur volunteer so he can't be forced to attend a meeting.
I'm not trying to brush aside your concerns, but I can't for the life of me understand why people think they deserve to hear explanations about why certain players weren't picked? What are really trying to achieve here? You're right, it has been going on for years, but I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve by having more spin and double speak being given to a committee about why Ciaran Mac didn't feature - just a waste of everyones time. You're also right in that easy platitudes shouldn't be dished out about movning forward - there needs to be a close examination of what has gone wrong at every level of the game and what can be done to make improvments.
This senior team should not be the focus - that's just typical 'small picture' rubbish, you're original post wants to focus on the last few years, with all the greatest respect (and you were right all along about JOM and his failings) but I cannot agree with that either, I think it would be the greatest mistake that could be made with a review of this sort. The last few years are the result of a general malaise within the county.
Moysider - have you talked to the club delegate about having your concers addressed at this review?
So this review is going to put the real amateur volunteer under the microscope. Who would want to be a coach of an underage team anymore? Hell, even ambitious parents might think twice. And we all know that ambitious parents make up the majority of underage coaches. I m sure the review will nail that as a failure in the system. We all await their recommendation.
it s not just about players picked. It was about the lack of science in the background team. He was made aware of this. He didn't change anything in 4 years. Nobody knew anything. That Jack O Connor bit showed what real management is about. Training is a science now and he has made sure he has guys that knows their stuff. Jack doesn't need to know the science but you can be sure Pat Flanagan does and Jack knows he does too. Thing was a lot of the time Johnno s trainer was cooking somebody else s recipe. Not so bad but in this day and age the recipe was short an ingredient or two.
The malaise within the county is about the senior team. It doesn't mean football has stopped. Club players see it as a nusiance anyway and are glad rid of it as it upsets their year. Bigger clubs are struggling to cope with underage numbers. The problem there is keeping the slower developing kids involved. Believe me the biggest malaise is the county senior team. The worst thing I could say about Johnno and his team was they lost the kids. You could nt bribe kids to go to games the last few years. Whoever came up with the idea that over-expectant supporters and hype was the problem in Mayo got it all very wrong. But the kids still are showing up for the training and games with their clubs. The Mayo team is of no relevance to them apart from being a vague embarrassement somehow.
Yeah, my club delegate knows about my concerns, even though this review was only signposted today. Not the only club delegate either and others too but I ve said enough.
There are 2 major flaws in Mayo football
1.
At all underage teams for mayo the strongest or the quickest or the fittest or the tallest lads are being picked. Not the player with the most potential for the future. They pick these players because of immediate impact in that underage year. Managers often pick on reputation as well as geographical location. The players with most potential are not being spotted and they are lost to Mayo football from a young age. Coaches at underage level for Mayo don't spot the talent that players may possess but needs work. They just pick the easier option and have ready-to-order footballers. These footballers are then on Mayo panels from U-14 up. Lads who may not be the fit or have developed physically are lost to Mayo football. They go off to college, start drinking, put on weight etc. If they had made a Mayo panel and were coached they would have a different mindset and look after themselves better. We only take early bloomers in Mayo. There is very little provision for late bloomers. We need to able to spot the talent better - not just pick the flashy bleached haired corner forward who has pace to burn and does all the flicks. We need to find the lads who do the basics right consistently - who have good positional sense, who can kick pass a ball accurately. They might not be super athletes but you can change easily. This change must come from the county board. They should be outlining this approach to managers and coaches.
2.
The players who do shine at underage level because they are stronger etc. that do go onto the senior panel don't seem to be coached. Some other poster used the example of Mayo and Sligo recently on this issue. Sligo don't have a great pick so they have to coach alot of players to improve them. Mayo has such a good pick that we have footballers who need very little coaching at underage level. However theses players reach a level that they never push on from. Tom parsons is an example. He doesn't seem to have improved at all. Is he being coached. Was coaching him neglected at underage level because his natural athleticism made him stand out already?
Gooch cooper coached donaghy on how to be a full-forward. Amazing! Does that stuff happen in Mayo. David heaney should have been teaching lads on the panel stuff, James Nallen aswell. Were they used?
I believe we need a straight talker like David Brady involved in a management team. That would sort out the hunger and desire and toughness aspect that we lack. That is our biggest weakness.
James Horan, a methodical thinker is needed. Good knowledge on tactics and how to negate opponents tactics. A natural player so knows the game.
James Nallen - up to date with current tactics being used in todays game. JOM, Lyons and Gallagher weren't. Well respected defender. Doesnt say a lot but when he talks people listen.
These 3 as selectors with a manager of Paidi O'Se. We need someone to bring the crowds back into Mayo football. He has fire in the belly. He is passionate and he wouldn't come up here for the craic. He would boost Mayo football undoubtedly. He is loved and hated equally but i admire the way that it annoyed him how Mayo were underachievers and he'd love to manage them. That sparked something in me. I couldnt imagine Paidi leaving out an aidan higgins or a james kilcullen
Quote from: moysider on July 02, 2010, 01:42:39 AM
Quote from: stephenite on July 02, 2010, 01:08:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 02, 2010, 12:46:43 AM
Quote from: stephenite on July 01, 2010, 11:53:46 PM
Mayo haven't won an All Ireland since 1951 - everything should be on the table with a view to fixing that. Whether or not certain players played under JOM is small beer in comparison to what needs to be fixed, and whatever any gripes people have with JOM is small beer also.
I don't agree that what happened over the last few years is the substantive issue-there are more serious underlying issues relating to our culture, our club scene, coaching, administrative structures etc. that all need to be taken into account
The last thing Mayo football needs is some petty blame game, everyone from the County board down to over-expectant supporters need to take some share of the blame if we are to move on in and fix what needs to be fixed.
I don't think the concerns that some people had with the Johnno administration should be brushed aside as small beer and gripes. In fairness some of us could have come on here crowing ' told ye so', the last week, but we didn't. And some of us so have being crying stop for a few years now. The Johnno backers are now few on the ground and those that are seem anxious to move on and turn the microscope elsewhere. That s understandable. Problem is we ve seen this all before. 'No point looking back, time to move on'. Only by confronting and then dealing with the failings of the past can we move on. I for one want answers. I believe Johnno should attend a review of a committee of the board to explain the more bizzare aspects of his tenure. Resignation should not get him off the hook. Soft radio interviews with a few spiky replies to anything searching is not good enough.
Yeah the club scene is not great now but is anything being done differently than when it was great a few years ago. I have kids that are being coached underage and I m very grateful to the guys that give it so much effort, and texting 30 odd parents a few times a week and organising sessions, transport etc is a huge commitment. They re doing a great job imo. Do we really want to change our culture much? By admin. structures do you mean the board? Yeah can do better. However it is the performance of the senior team that should be the focus of this review.
You also have to be realistic - and Johnno ain't going to attend and say I was wrong about Mac, and I was wrong to try and be a politician at the same time as trying to get re-elected. To all appearances he is an amateur volunteer so he can't be forced to attend a meeting.
I'm not trying to brush aside your concerns, but I can't for the life of me understand why people think they deserve to hear explanations about why certain players weren't picked? What are really trying to achieve here? You're right, it has been going on for years, but I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve by having more spin and double speak being given to a committee about why Ciaran Mac didn't feature - just a waste of everyones time. You're also right in that easy platitudes shouldn't be dished out about movning forward - there needs to be a close examination of what has gone wrong at every level of the game and what can be done to make improvments.
This senior team should not be the focus - that's just typical 'small picture' rubbish, you're original post wants to focus on the last few years, with all the greatest respect (and you were right all along about JOM and his failings) but I cannot agree with that either, I think it would be the greatest mistake that could be made with a review of this sort. The last few years are the result of a general malaise within the county.
Moysider - have you talked to the club delegate about having your concers addressed at this review?
So this review is going to put the real amateur volunteer under the microscope. Who would want to be a coach of an underage team anymore? Hell, even ambitious parents might think twice. And we all know that ambitious parents make up the majority of underage coaches. I m sure the review will nail that as a failure in the system. We all await their recommendation.
it s not just about players picked. It was about the lack of science in the background team. He was made aware of this. He didn't change anything in 4 years. Nobody knew anything. That Jack O Connor bit showed what real management is about. Training is a science now and he has made sure he has guys that knows their stuff. Jack doesn't need to know the science but you can be sure Pat Flanagan does and Jack knows he does too.
The malaise within the county is about the senior team. It doesn't mean football has stopped. Club players see it as a nusiance anyway and are glad rid of it as it upsets their year. Bigger clubs are struggling to cope with underage numbers. The problem there is keeping the slower developing kids involved. Believe me the biggest malaise is the county senior team. The worst thing I could say about Johnno and his team was they lost the kids. You could nt bribe kids to go to games the last few years. Whoever came up with the idea that over-expectant supporters and hype was the problem in Mayo got it all very wrong. But the kids still are showing up for the training and games with their clubs. The Mayo team is of no relevance to them apart from being a vague embarrassement somehow.
Yeah, my club delegate knows about my concerns, even though this review was only signposted today. Not the only club delegate either and others too but I ve said enough.
No, the review I'd envisage is not putting the real amatuer volunteer under a microscope - I can't see anything I've written suggesting that we put amatuer volunteers under the micriscope, but is there anything wrong with making sure the basic fundamentals of the game are being taught at grassroots. There is a marked difference between putting the amateur volunteers under the microscope and giving them some guidance and assistance.
It's the great work that's been done with the underage representative underage teams that should be looked at as well - ditto the development squads - there is great work being done here but it does not mean that it can't be improved upon. The elite should be coaching the elite - and they're all still amateur.
I've no problem with science, but Kerry were winning All Irelands before Jack O'Connor and Pat Flannagan came along, of course it's something that can be looked at but it's so far down the scale of what is actually important in this review, that it doesn't warrant much time. How many scientists do Mickey Harte or Brian Cody have, I'm not trying to denigrate your point but do all successful teams employ this and is it why they're successful?
The culture of the club and the local championship can be viewed in 2 ways - our greatest strength or our biggest weakness. Club players don't give a fiddlers about their county team in most counties, why would they?
We're down to won't someone think of the children now, are we? The children will fall into line behind any semi successful team - sure they're a hugely important part of the future, but again, a proper review (devoid of that kind knee jerk emotional shit) will do more to make them fall back into line again
I think that the review into underage coaching in the county should be high on the agenda for the county board. Not to villify those who are involved but to provide coaching courses to the fellas who train the underage teams at club level so that they'll be able to coach young players in the basic skills of passing, tackling, blocking and scoring
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 02, 2010, 02:34:43 AM
I think that the review into underage coaching in the county should be high on the agenda for the county board. Not to villify those who are involved but to provide coaching courses to the fellas who train the underage teams at club level so that they'll be able to coach young players in the basic skills of passing, tackling, blocking and scoring
cant argue with that. bt this does goe on in mayo and every other county coaching is taken much more serioulsy now than 10 15 years ago. and it is up to clubs and GAA member to ensure that these course are taken up and used in training. i seriously thunk you have the wrong target in aiming at the under age structure. most counties would kill for the type of underage 'Success' mayo have
forverhopefull
as rtregard your first point its hardly the county underage teams role to pick laeds that are not yet in a position to shine are intercounty level. if the potential is there the responsibility lies with the Club and the overall county coaching structures rasther than an inter county manager to develop the talent. there are 100's of under 14 plyers for example every year with the potential to be good senior but for various reasons fall by the wayside .
Even in sports with professional academies and Scouts a stike rate of one in ten of youth to professional player is considered excellent . and you still end up with the likes of antony stokes and Gary Breen as success'
Quote from: rosnarun on July 02, 2010, 02:57:33 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 02, 2010, 02:34:43 AM
I think that the review into underage coaching in the county should be high on the agenda for the county board. Not to villify those who are involved but to provide coaching courses to the fellas who train the underage teams at club level so that they'll be able to coach young players in the basic skills of passing, tackling, blocking and scoring
cant argue with that. bt this does goe on in mayo and every other county coaching is taken much more serioulsy now than 10 15 years ago. and it is up to clubs and GAA member to ensure that these course are taken up and used in training. i seriously thunk you have the wrong target in aiming at the under age structure. most counties would kill for the type of underage 'Success' mayo have
forverhopefull
as rtregard your first point its hardly the county underage teams role to pick laeds that are not yet in a position to shine are intercounty level. if the potential is there the responsibility lies with the Club and the overall county coaching structures rasther than an inter county manager to develop the talent. there are 100's of under 14 plyers for example every year with the potential to be good senior but for various reasons fall by the wayside .
Even in sports with professional academies and Scouts a stike rate of one in ten of youth to professional player is considered excellent . and you still end up with the likes of antony stokes and Gary Breen as success'
That's all very true, I was earmarked as a future all star at the age of 12, but by 15 I was earmarked as shite, and I'm pretty sure coaching would not have made that much difference :D
I coulda been a contender :'( :P
That all said, and in a more serious vein there was a plethora of talent available at schools level around the county when I was at the end of secondary school, and the structures that were in place in the schools were just awful. Not trying to apportion blame here, it just appeared to be they way it evolved. In the final two years at my school there the likes of David Brady, Tom Nallen, Dessie Sloyane, Declan Sweeney, Colm Foody, Brian Ruane, John Healy who had all or would all represent their county and clubs at various National levels over the coming years. Added to those names there was a stellar list of dependable club players from around the area that also went on to win Senior and provincial club medals - but we never won a provincial title at senior level. I'm not sure how it works in the schools now - but this would be the type of thing (and just one example) of what I'd like to see up for discussion
This review is the the thing that I think has the potential to be the funniest of all ...
Who is good enough to do it?
A Mayo person?
An outsider?
Who?
It's will be a worse coverup than the Genesis report if it ever gets off the ground ...
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 06:35:05 AM
This review is the the thing that I think has the potential to be the funniest of all ...
Who is good enough to do it?
A Mayo person?
An outsider?
Who?
It's will be a worse coverup than the Genesis report if it ever gets off the ground ...
Then again, it might not.....
The fact that our much-loved and respected county board is willing to conduct a review of any sort reminds me of what Dr Samuel Johnson once remarked to Boswell, his biographer:
"Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hinder legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."
Time to beat the blues and cast your minds back......
So come on Willie Joe and Kilgallon for Mayo,
Dermot Flanagan and Sean Maher and John Finn
Jimmy Browne will light the fire and we'll raise the Sam Maguire,
John O'Mahonys men are really on the move !
You know you won't be able to get it out of your heas all day ;D :D
Quote from: blast05 on July 02, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
Time to beat the blues and cast your minds back......
So come on Willie Joe and Kilgallon for Mayo,
Dermot Flanagan and Sean Maher and John Finn
Jimmy Browne will light the fire and we'll raise the Sam Maguire,
John O'Mahonys men are really on the move !
You know you won't be able to get it out of your heas all day ;D :D
Right boys, fight boys, steady as a rock,
we'll win the Sam Maguire and we'll fly it into Knock.
classic stuff!!!!!!!!. ;D..... some day hopefully the above will happen, what we would give for a Padden, Kilgallon, Maher, Browne today......................................
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on July 02, 2010, 01:57:36 AM
There are 2 major flaws in Mayo football
1.
At all underage teams for mayo the strongest or the quickest or the fittest or the tallest lads are being picked. Not the player with the most potential for the future. They pick these players because of immediate impact in that underage year. Managers often pick on reputation as well as geographical location. The players with most potential are not being spotted and they are lost to Mayo football from a young age. Coaches at underage level for Mayo don't spot the talent that players may possess but needs work. They just pick the easier option and have ready-to-order footballers. These footballers are then on Mayo panels from U-14 up. Lads who may not be the fit or have developed physically are lost to Mayo football. They go off to college, start drinking, put on weight etc. If they had made a Mayo panel and were coached they would have a different mindset and look after themselves better. We only take early bloomers in Mayo. There is very little provision for late bloomers. We need to able to spot the talent better - not just pick the flashy bleached haired corner forward who has pace to burn and does all the flicks. We need to find the lads who do the basics right consistently - who have good positional sense, who can kick pass a ball accurately. They might not be super athletes but you can change easily. This change must come from the county board. They should be outlining this approach to managers and coaches.
2.
The players who do shine at underage level because they are stronger etc. that do go onto the senior panel don't seem to be coached. Some other poster used the example of Mayo and Sligo recently on this issue. Sligo don't have a great pick so they have to coach alot of players to improve them. Mayo has such a good pick that we have footballers who need very little coaching at underage level. However theses players reach a level that they never push on from. Tom parsons is an example. He doesn't seem to have improved at all. Is he being coached. Was coaching him neglected at underage level because his natural athleticism made him stand out already?
Good points there Foreverhopeful, we agree on something! ;)
I posted about this a few pages back, coaching in this county needs to be addressed.
Thats not to say that the current coaches of Bord nA nOg trams are being scapegoated, its not actually their fault that the courses are not enforced and the education and information isnt there.
Im not sure if there is a coaching officer in the county but I think it needs a full time committee to adopt practices of getting the standard of coaching up to scratch. The summer Cul camps are a step in the right direction but its the coaching day in, day out that needs to improve.
The likes of Tyrone and Sligo have tiny picks compared to us yet their structures were heavily invested in and they are reaping the rewards.
Im with stephenite, McDanger2 and rosnarun on this. But I dont think all of our problems of today rest in what happened to current Mayo footballers up along the way, but it could be a factor in the actual pick of players in the county that are good enough or have potential for Inter County football.
Tom Humphries had a good article in the Times about England's loss to Germany and in it he referred to the differences in the development of young English players compared to Germany. He pointed out that Munich develop young players from the Munich area and teach them how to play in the system (like Ajax) and in different positions. This is what needs to be done in Mayo and will help put them ahead of teh curve as I don't think any county is doing this yet. The problem is Mayo need to look at underage development as a process rather than the U16's winning thier competitions and the minors winning AI's. No young player should be marked out as a full back or midfielder at 13 or 14, instead then should be given a chance to play many positions and taught how to play these roles. As the develop their best position will evolve itself. Mayo shouldn't look to Tyrone but to Europe and Australia for guidance on how to structure underage development.
Quotei seriously thunk you have the wrong target in aiming at the under age structure. most counties would kill for the type of underage 'Success' mayo have
Thats the problem. We're targeting minor titles and U-16 and U-21 titles when the Senior is the most important. Winning a Senior All-Ireland will inspire more lads to take up football and continue to improve than Mayo winning every underage title under the sun. We are winning these titles because we have a huge pick in Mayo and we cherry pick the most athletic, strong, fast etc. player. We should be developing players who do the basics well, show an appetite for hard work etc. I'm sorry for using Tom Parsons as an example because i don't want to seen as picking on one player. He just stands out as the example of our flawed system. He has reached a plateau in his career and he is only 22. He stood out at every age group in Mayo because he was taller and faster and had a good catch. His skills were neglected because he was already seen as being "complete" as a footballer. He's nowhere near it. It's hard on him because if he was in Kerry or Tyrone he'd have the work rate, the defensive side of the game etc.
Tyrone play the same system they play at senior level at all underage levels. By the time players are senior they know the system. Their trained in how to defend. It might not be everyone's cup of tea the type of football but at least they have a plan in place. Not saying Mayo should copy Tyrones style of play but it demonstrates our need for a plan.
I do think Football is neglected in Schools. They are their for over 180 days of the year. Plenty of days for training there! A coaching officer should be put in place to co-ordinate things in the schools. Lads need to be training more in school. It's a perfect opportunity to develop discipline in regular training
Is it just me or does anyone else think the local media have blood on their hands too?
Its frustrating to see the local media coming out this week with harsh criticisms of JOM yet during his tenure the hard questions were never been asked. IMO they are very guilty of often not calling it properly and not asking serious questions when they needed to be asked.
Its left to the likes of James Horan and Maughan and a couple of pundits to be harsh at the right times and calling it properly in the local papers, but the majority of Sports writers pander to the county managers and hype players and dont portray games properly.
Some examples include the big write-ups Mayo players got as minors let alone as seniors when the questions like why players are playing out of position, or why such a player is even playing for Mayo should have been asked.
Even club match report never tell the true story. A team could be bet off the park yet Sports writers do more talking about the losing team and their feats to balance out the article. IMO its not how it should be written.
Mid-West to also have their faults. The commentary is so Mayo biased, sometimes I think im watching a different game. I laugh out loud when they pick the man of the match and go through every Mayo player and what a brilliant game each and every player had. Not only that but they promise that every young player have huge futures etc.
If we had impartial and neutral critical writers at least then the spoofing by O Mahoney in the last few years, the strange calls and tactics by himself, Dempsey, Connelly and Holmes wouldnt have been let away so lightly.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on July 02, 2010, 03:08:25 PM
Quotei seriously thunk you have the wrong target in aiming at the under age structure. most counties would kill for the type of underage 'Success' mayo have
Thats the problem. We're targeting minor titles and U-16 and U-21 titles when the Senior is the most important. Winning a Senior All-Ireland will inspire more lads to take up football and continue to improve than Mayo winning every underage title under the sun. We are winning these titles because we have a huge pick in Mayo and we cherry pick the most athletic, strong, fast etc. player. We should be developing players who do the basics well, show an appetite for hard work etc. I'm sorry for using Tom Parsons as an example because i don't want to seen as picking on one player. He just stands out as the example of our flawed system. He has reached a plateau in his career and he is only 22. He stood out at every age group in Mayo because he was taller and faster and had a good catch. His skills were neglected because he was already seen as being "complete" as a footballer. He's nowhere near it. It's hard on him because if he was in Kerry or Tyrone he'd have the work rate, the defensive side of the game etc.
Tyrone play the same system they play at senior level at all underage levels. By the time players are senior they know the system. Their trained in how to defend. It might not be everyone's cup of tea the type of football but at least they have a plan in place. Not saying Mayo should copy Tyrones style of play but it demonstrates our need for a plan.
I do think Football is neglected in Schools. They are their for over 180 days of the year. Plenty of days for training there! A coaching officer should be put in place to co-ordinate things in the schools. Lads need to be training more in school. It's a perfect opportunity to develop discipline in regular training
I agree with the gist of that Foreverhopeful but I think the bit in Bold is a huge, huge problem in Mayo football.
I wouldnt say we necessary pick the physically strong players, we are more fond of the tiny nackey player who wins soft frees at club level and gets big scorelines from frees. Come to inter county level and they are flung around the place and bulldozed.
County managers pick a lot of guys based on athletic ability rather than natural talent.
We should be making talented guys fit, not trying to make fit guys footballers.(you can write that one down for later :P )
Aidan Campbell and James Kilcullen are examples of lads that slip through the net like that.
This quote from Noel Connelley froze me in my seat:
"The likes of Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Donal Vaughan... they're the future of Mayo football. They're athletes." Not because the aforementioned players are bad footballers, but the mentality is backwards.
Mayo need to get someone (or more than one person) who has won an All Ireland as a coach/manager or as part of a backroom team in the past 10 years and get them in to the county to do a review.
It can't be someone from Mayo, they need to be independent.
They ideally should have a wide range of experience in GAA and/or other sports to offer a proper insightful review with recommendations that can be applied to the county set up after the conclusion.
The big concern with this review is that people will either be overly defensive trying to protect their own corner or will be offensive in a biased way because of some perceived slight they received - our lad wasn't picked and whatever small flaw caused this becomes the only thing that is wrong.
Everyone need to be big enough to accept their own flaws and man enough to take criticism on board and try to be distant enough to see the big picture. Agendas need to be put to one side.
Couldn't agree more.
This is why it needs to be an outsider.
The other reason it needs to be some who has won recently is that training and professionalism have changed so much in the past 10 years in the GAA it needs to be someone with some foresight.
Regarding a new Manager ... I'd even be so cheeky as to pinch someone from another county, (like a McGeeney or his assistant) Aidan O'Rourke or Martin McElkennon at Monaghan or even Paul Grimley - Monaghan didn't hang around when Armagh twiddled their thumbs...
But get the review done first.
The guy I'd get to the review would be John McCluskey who trained Armagh to the All Ireland with Joe Kernan and then trained Derry to the National League with Crozier and was at Wasps last season.
He knows what it takes to win at the highest level and would have learned a lot of new ideas from his stint at Wasps. He'd be independent and provide a shrewd analysis of the state of the county compared to other counties in the North and else where.
I can't think of anyone else who's actually won something, had international experience and isn't tied managing to a county.
The only other one might be Tohill, only he's not won anything in 20 odd years and his first stint as a manager hasn't happened yet!
Not that I expect the review to be anything other than a complete fiasco anyway!
Can anyone tell me how in the name of God do you conduct a review of football in a county?
What would the terms of reference be? [to examine how successful Mayo has been in the last 20 yrs?]
What scope would it have? [The performance of the Senior team? All county teams? Club football? Administration?]
How do you define success or measure it? [compared to counties of similar population?]
What methods would you use? [statistical review, interviews, focus groups?]
How would you know that the findings were actually valid? [if they made sense to a large enough group of knowledgable individuals???]
Has this ever been done successfully before?
Unless those conducting the review are capable of answering those questions clearly at the outset then the review could well to be an exercise in frustration. Lets hope that does not happen.
Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2010, 02:43:21 PM
Tom Humphries had a good article in the Times about England's loss to Germany and in it he referred to the differences in the development of young English players compared to Germany. He pointed out that Munich develop young players from the Munich area and teach them how to play in the system (like Ajax) and in different positions. This is what needs to be done in Mayo and will help put them ahead of teh curve as I don't think any county is doing this yet. The problem is Mayo need to look at underage development as a process rather than the U16's winning thier competitions and the minors winning AI's. No young player should be marked out as a full back or midfielder at 13 or 14, instead then should be given a chance to play many positions and taught how to play these roles. As the develop their best position will evolve itself. Mayo shouldn't look to Tyrone but to Europe and Australia for guidance on how to structure underage development.
I think this is a very valid point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Tyrone set themselves up in the same way? Their players all learn how to play the system, and the same system is used in county teams right through the grades. Their players are taught how to interchange positions
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 02, 2010, 03:27:46 PM
We should be making talented guys fit, not trying to make fit guys footballers.
(you can write that one down for later :P )
Been harping on about this one for years - though couldnt take the credit as its my aul fella thats drummed it into me!!
Quote from: diehard on July 02, 2010, 08:02:03 PM
Can anyone tell me how in the name of God do you conduct a review of football in a county?
What would the terms of reference be? [to examine how successful Mayo has been in the last 20 yrs?]
What scope would it have? [The performance of the Senior team? All county teams? Club football? Administration?]
How do you define success or measure it? [compared to counties of similar population?]
What methods would you use? [statistical review, interviews, focus groups?]
How would you know that the findings were actually valid? [if they made sense to a large enough group of knowledgable individuals???]
Has this ever been done successfully before?
Unless those conducting the review are capable of answering those questions clearly at the outset then the review could well to be an exercise in frustration. Lets hope that does not happen.
It depends
No one person could review the whole county.
If the whole county was to be reviewed it would need to be split in 3 broad sections
1. Club
2. County
3. Underage
With 3 people who know each other well doing the review
1 person doing each area
Each person would ideally have their own separate area of expertise also
Each person has the ability to call on the expertise of one of the others to help with a certain aspect of their area if required.
One of the 3 would be the Chairman who would be responsible for the whole review in total.
They would review each area with clear directives and the summary would be one joint paper.
6 weeks to review and to be submitted 2 weeks after would give Mayo a review in 8 weeks if it was completed.
That's the shortest possible time frame if it was organized properly and fast.
Unlikely to be done this way.
Yes, I've seen a review such as this done.
One organized for a club team in the North and a larger one for another professional Team.
Very rare though.
The reviews would need to be performance based, which is different from a business review, but that's in the detail I guess.
We know this won't happen though.
If they are to review the club scene in the county, they will obviously notice that the club championship, despite the myth that it it a good championship, plainly is not. Should the 90s system be brought back again, where the league standings determined your championship status the following year? Every game was important then, nobody could afford to lose too many games, and most county players would get lots of competitive action, unlike now, where a club team can win one game all year and still be senior.
Alot of very good points being made here lads.
I certainly agree that the club competition structures need to be examined and not interfered with constantly.
I also think that an overall county team programme needs to be put in place. Mickey Harte has done this with Tyrone and brought it through at all levels. Do we have such a personality who could be in effect a "Director of Football" that all teams would listen to, respect?
Abbeysider makes valid points about the media. I think Mayo fans are guilty of the same thing - building up fellas without any great achievement, but very slow to realise the realities. The perfect example is Austin O'Malley who because of one league game against Dublin because a top-class forward in the minds of many and the answer in the eyes of many people when things were going badly up front. Fellas need to earn respect not be ordained heroes based on one or two games.
The difficulty for the media is there is an insatiable demand for Mayo football related news. The Mayo News and Western have a page or two on the Mayo intercounty teams every week - minimum - and that includes the darks of winter. There is usually an interview with a player or manager as to how things are going. Look at the Galway papers or other counties and you struggle to find such coverage. A lower key preparation would certainly help everybody and let people earn respect, not have reputations created by words.
aom kicked 5 from play against kerry in croker in 2005, not many mayo players can say that.
Any word on the MWR exit poll today lads? ;D
Quote from: Barney on July 03, 2010, 01:53:55 PM
Alot of very good points being made here lads.
I certainly agree that the club competition structures need to be examined and not interfered with constantly.
I also think that an overall county team programme needs to be put in place. Mickey Harte has done this with Tyrone and brought it through at all levels. Do we have such a personality who could be in effect a "Director of Football" that all teams would listen to, respect?
Abbeysider makes valid points about the media. I think Mayo fans are guilty of the same thing - building up fellas without any great achievement, but very slow to realise the realities. The perfect example is Austin O'Malley who because of one league game against Dublin because a top-class forward in the minds of many and the answer in the eyes of many people when things were going badly up front. Fellas need to earn respect not be ordained heroes based on one or two games.
The difficulty for the media is there is an insatiable demand for Mayo football related news. The Mayo News and Western have a page or two on the Mayo intercounty teams every week - minimum - and that includes the darks of winter. There is usually an interview with a player or manager as to how things are going. Look at the Galway papers or other counties and you struggle to find such coverage. A lower key preparation would certainly help everybody and let people earn respect, not have reputations created by words.
Don't overrate the Tyrone model either ... it evolved rather than was designed specifically or totally.
But your point or the essence of it is correct.
Next Mayo manager?
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Quote from: ross4life on July 05, 2010, 04:47:16 PM
Next Mayo manager?
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Is that Catherine Nevin on the left? That might explain things.
Awesome eyesight!!!
Quote from: ross4life on July 05, 2010, 04:47:16 PM
Next Mayo manager?
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Well we look big enough fools as it is, so it won't be any surprise!
Another twist in the tale... From the Mayo News....
Four week suspension for Mayo Chairman
GAA board officer reported after recent Qualifier defeat
THE Chairman of the Mayo GAA Board, James Waldron, has received a four-week suspension from the GAA authorities in Croke Park after an incident following Mayo's defeat to Longford in the All-Ireland SFC Qualifier last Saturday week.
The Mayo News understands that Mr Waldron was reported by Galway referee, Gearóid Ó Conomhá, for a Category 1A offence at Pearse Park.
This offence is defined as: "abusive language towards a referee, umpire, linesman or sideline official" and the suspension is "applicable at all codes and all levels" which means that the County Board Chairman will be prevented from performing any of his official GAA functions until midnight on Friday, July 23.
This means that Mr Waldron will be unable to chair any County Board meetings or Executive Board meetings for the coming weeks and it will also restrict his involvement with the Mayo minor football team for the Connacht championship final against Galway on July 18.
The Mayo News understands that the Mayo GAA Board vice-chairman, Paddy McNicholas, will take on the chairman's responsibilities for the duration of Mr Waldron's suspension.
Mayo defender Keith Higgins was also handed a four-week suspension by Gearóid Ó Conomhá after using "abusive language" during the course of Mayo's defeat to Longford ten days ago.
Neither Waldron or Higgins are believed to have requested a hearing to appeal their suspensions.
MEANWHILE, the Mayo GAA coffers are to receive a welcome boost later this month when Roscommon take on Sligo in the Connacht SFC final at McHale Park, Castlebar on July 18 at 4pm.
The match is expected to generate approximately €40,000 to €50,000 for the Mayo GAA Board with a crowd of more than 20,000 expected to attend the novel finale. The Mayo minor footballers will take on Galway in the curtain-raiser at 2pm.
"We're delighted that Sligo nominated McHale Park as their preferred 'home' ground for the final," said Mayo GAA Board secretary Seán Feeney. "It's a great boost for the stadium and it's a great boost for our minors who will have home advantage too."
After the early announcement of a review with the promise of a follow-up announcement things appear to have been stalled.
I hope matters are moving along in the background but the fear is that this is a political stunt to take heat of various officers.
Confirmed runners and riders so far for the big job:
McHale and
Willie Joe
Anybody hear of anybody else ruling themselves in or out?
Quote from: Barney on July 16, 2010, 08:33:39 AM
After the early announcement of a review with the promise of a follow-up announcement things appear to have been stalled.
I hope matters are moving along in the background but the fear is that this is a political stunt to take heat of various officers.
Confirmed runners and riders so far for the big job:
McHale and
Willie Joe
Anybody hear of anybody else ruling themselves in or out?
Holmes ruled himself out in one of the local papers due to family commitments
Surely McHale and Wille Joe aren't of the standard needed in Mayo?
Quote from: The Konica on July 16, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
Surely McHale and Wille Joe aren't of the standard needed in Mayo?
Two men well used to the high jump.
McHale out of the race.... did I heard somewhere that Colm McManamon was interested?
McHale staying with Clare
23 July 2010
Liam McHale is out of contention for the vacant Mayo football manager's post after agreeing to continue as a selector with Clare.
McHale, along with manager Michael McDermott and fellow selector James Horan, have been ratified for another season with the Banner County, ruling the former Mayo midfielder out of contention to replace John O'Mahony.
McHale was quick to declare his candidacy for the Mayo job following O'Mahony's resignation last month, but has since had a change of heart, opting instead to continue his long commutes to Clare.
Speaking to the Irish Independent, McDermott said: "The county board wanted it put to bed before the club championship got going, so it would give us the opportunity to look closely at championship matches to help us build a panel.
"Liam is very committed to the cause and enjoyed it last year. The reaction of the players was that they enjoyed the work he did, and the three of us on the management team got on very well together and now hope to build on last year."
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 23, 2010, 12:09:17 PM
"The county board wanted it put to bed before the club championship got going, so it would give us the opportunity to look closely at championship matches to help us build a panel.
Something the Mayo county board should be keeping well in mind!
Abbeysider, you've brightened up my day! ;D McManamon is doing mighty with Burrishoole.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on July 01, 2010, 07:25:38 PM
I like the comment about the local radio's open forum and how not all the comments were for the good of Mayo football. They have a f**king cheek, people care about Mayo football, pay the "expenses" for these clowns and their opinion isn't worth a shit. What they mean is the comments don't suit our board. Well f**k them and the horses they rode in on. It's time for each and every one of them to hit the road for the good of Mayo football. End of Rant.
well said
I reckon McHale should reconsider. Sure isn't he like a god to ye away up there in Mayo? Aren't there big 7 foot statues of the great man lining the main streets of Castlebar? Is it true he's to be canonised, with his football prowess quoted as the "miracle performed"?
Quote from: commonsense on July 26, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
I reckon McHale should reconsider. Sure isn't he like a god to ye away up there in Mayo? Aren't there big 7 foot statues of the great man lining the main streets of Castlebar? Is it true he's to be canonised, with his football prowess quoted as the "miracle performed"?
???
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 26, 2010, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: commonsense on July 26, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
I reckon McHale should reconsider. Sure isn't he like a god to ye away up there in Mayo? Aren't there big 7 foot statues of the great man lining the main streets of Castlebar? Is it true he's to be canonised, with his football prowess quoted as the "miracle performed"?
???
I meant LIAM McHale. The ex-mayo footballer.
Quote from: commonsense on July 26, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 26, 2010, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: commonsense on July 26, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
I reckon McHale should reconsider. Sure isn't he like a god to ye away up there in Mayo? Aren't there big 7 foot statues of the great man lining the main streets of Castlebar? Is it true he's to be canonised, with his football prowess quoted as the "miracle performed"?
???
I meant LIAM McHale. The ex-mayo footballer.
Oh! I see what you mean now.
I thought you could be referring to Archbishop McHale, "The Lion of the West."
He was a hardy oul' bucko sure enough but I don't know if he had anything to do with football management—probably the GAA was a bit before his time.
Still, if he was still about, he'd have knocked a bit of life into the shower that took the field against both Sligo and Longford. On the other hand, he might just have knocked the biteen they still left had outa them.
It would be a hard call alright but anything is better than nothing, if you follow me.
If it's really the Liam fella you meant, he doesn't count for much in Castlebar.
Ballina is the place where they kiss the hem of his garment. Or so I am told.
I dunno.
Since he pansies about in Bermuda shorts most of the time, they might as well kiss his ass as the hem of that particular garment as there's feck all distance between them.
They're a quare crowd; them tulips in Ballina.
Indeed, but he's much more handsome than Denis Kearney, the thought of kissing him in Bermuda shorts is a bit too much
Mick O'Dwyer
Quote from: highorlow on July 26, 2010, 03:02:05 PM
Mick O'Dwyer
This could be a post on any number of threads:
Greatly exaggerated GAA Myths
You know what really grinds my gears?
Corny One for Friday
Kerry The Handpass Kings
Job Opportunity
Ulster Final Virgin
Donegal manager wanted
The why do Kerry players get away with Blue Murder thread
But definitely not:
Improving Gaelic Football
Quote from: commonsense on July 26, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
I reckon McHale should reconsider. Sure isn't he like a god to ye away up there in Mayo? Aren't there big 7 foot statues of the great man lining the main streets of Castlebar? Is it true he's to be canonised, with his football prowess quoted as the "miracle performed"?
Welcome to the board John.
We in Mayo have kinda forgotten your days but watch your back with the Tyronies, they never forget.
Liam O Neill in this weeks Mayo News. Such a change from the watery shite we're usually subjected to. Any chance we could coax him back. Find out what he makes and offer him double.
"Passion and heart" needed
Liam O'Neill says the next Mayo manager's first step should be to interview players
Daniel Carey
ASKED what advice he would give to the next Mayo manager, Liam O'Neill says it's good to talk. Whoever succeeds John O'Mahony in the hot seat should, he says, "interview every single person who has aspirations of coming into a Mayo panel", outline the commitment required, and ask: "What have you done for yourself?"
The Galwayman met ex-Mayo players 15 or 20 years after he gave them the opportunity to wear the green and red in the 1980s. Some admitted they were happy enough to play for their clubs; it was never their ambition to bring back the Sam Maguire Cup. It would, he hints, have been rather useful to know that back in the 1980s.
"Not everybody is prepared to put in the hard work, and it isn't their top priority to win an All-Ireland ... when they know what's entailed," he notes. "You and I might think 'Jesus, I'd do anything to win an All-Ireland', but you want to find that out [off every player], and find out very, very fast. And one of the ways you find it out [is to ask] 'Well, what have you done in the past?' That's a fair indicator. And then you've got to monitor that, and see is he improving."
The coach's checklist
O'NEILL says a manager needs to demand goals of his players, build-up self-esteem, establish good habits, and be a good communicator and delegator. He prefers the word 'coach', and advocates a structure similar to that used by athletic directors in American universities, who oversee and co-ordinate the work of various specialists. After all, "he can't do everything himself".
Quoting former Dublin manager Kevin Heffernan, O'Neill adds that it's crucial to establish if players have the capacity to listen and learn, and be willing to change if necessary. That could, he believes, lead to major changes in personnel – "Because I believe some of these guys that I see on the Mayo team at the moment ... they may have the capacity to listen and learn, but they haven't the capacity to change in their attitude. And you can see it in their body language."
Memory lane
PART of O'Neill's answer to the low self-esteem he encountered as Mayo manager was to implement a weight training programme. He took a group of players to the National Institute of Higher Education (now the University of Limerick) for a fitness evaluation and got some bad news. It was, he was told, too late for a lot of the players. They should have been doing strength, flexibility and endurance tests while still in their teens, not when they were in their mid-20s. More shockingly, one individual "couldn't bench-press 35 pounds" when the average man in good physical condition could manage 195 pounds.
Yet he met with some resistance – "When you brought that back to certain individuals, they said: 'I have been successful up to now, why do I need to do weight training'?" he recalls. One player cited his All-Ireland minor title as proof that he didn't need to bulk up. Sometimes, he notes, wryly, major success at underage level "can be the ruination of a player" who "feels he has arrived" when "he's only starting" out. Furthermore, he notes a pattern where "we're looking for these young guys to be the saviours if Mayo", and are expected to carry the weight of the county on their shoulders, rather than find their feet at senior level.
Passion
O'NEILL adds that what he did 20 years ago coaching-wise "wouldn't survive today", but says the principles are still sound: "Gaelic football is not a complicated game. You need passion and heart. If you ain't got that, you ain't going any place ... when I see some Mayo footballers, and physically they haven't improved over five years ... I would seriously question their passion to play with Mayo."
That question of desire is one O'Neill returns to more than once in the course of our conversation.
Earlier this year, he met former All-Ireland winner Paddy Prendergast (now aged over 80) in San Diego. "By just talking to that man, you come away with the amount of passion that he still has to this day ... the love of Mayo ... and how much he'd give to see Mayo win an All-Ireland," he says.
BEFORE he looks forward, former Mayo senior football manager Liam O'Neill wants to look back. He recalls meeting double All-Ireland winner Fr Peter Quinn, who spent a lot of time in America and researched stateside training and coaching methods before presenting the information he had collated to Mayo GAA Board. What happened next?
"The Mayo County Board at that time took a look at it and it was never heard from since – which to me was a pure insult to the man," O'Neill told The Mayo News in a telephone interview from San Diego. "Here was a man who had won two All-Irelands, and he was giving Mayo an opportunity to see what the professional people were doing out here in America."
O'Neill has long been a student of sports coaching in America, where he has lived for the past 16 years, but also keeps a close eye on events at home. The Mayo GAA Board are undertaking a review of the state of football in the county. The man who managed the Mayo senior team between 1983 and 1987 wants to see a five- to seven-year plan, a Director of Football, and a particular emphasis on 15- to 18-year-olds. He's looking, in short, for "something different", rather than "the same thing over and over again".
"A pruning process"
IN O'Neill's vision, the Director of Football would put together a plan, monitor the plan, and monitor the individuals in his charge. It's not, incidentally, a post he's interested in taking himself, but he insists there are plenty of people in Mayo capable of doing the job.
"And it's a pruning process as well, to see: Is that [player] able to stand up to the rigour? What does it entail? Put down goals in front of them and hold them accountable. Because every guy thinks he wants to play county football for Mayo, but does he want to put in the time when nobody is looking? You've got to monitor that, and deal in facts and figures. How fast can you run the 40-yard dash? How bigger and stronger did you get this year? I think you need a Director of Football [to] hold those people accountable."
This would not be a shot-term project, the former All-Star emphasises. County Board officials who would back it may not still be part of the executive by the time the plan bears fruit, but the steps can be put in place now. "The old house is going to fall down if there's no foundation!" he says wryly.
Underage Apprenticeship
THE envisaged Director of Football would have "total control over football matters" in Mayo and would oversee a programme for promising underage footballers. Such a programme might, O'Neill says, turn up two or three people every year, and feedback and monitoring would establish that these players "have the passion and commitment to play for Mayo".
"It would be the Director of Football's job to do the apprenticeship with those guys, and have them ready for the senior team manager. Because it is a culling stage – there's no way that you have 100 guys ready and fit and able to play for Mayo that have that amount of passion [required]. But there are certainly plenty with a burning desire, [which] is going to show up with commitment and based on facts and figures over three or four years."
Learning from the best
O'NEILL cites the example of Jurgen Klinsmann, the US-based former German soccer manager who "wasn't afraid to bring the dynamics, the professionalism and the thinking from different sports" in his adopted country.
He says Mayo GAA has much to learn from best practice at home and abroad – from Tyrone to Kerry, who even have a five-year programme in place for hurling; and from 83-year-old Penn State football coach Joe Paterno to the late John Wooden, winner of nine back-to-back basketball championships with UCLA.
"You can learn from people that have been successful in other sports – if you have an open mind, rather than saying 'I have it all done'," says O'Neill. "The right people are not afraid to bring in somebody else's ideas, and learn from them."
The Money
GIVEN the current economic climate, and the loan on the McHale Park development, many people may recoil at the projected cost of such a strategy. But O'Neill is adamant that Mayo people the world over would row in behind it if was well thought-out and properly marketed.
There is, he says, no point in appointing a Director of Football if he can't do what's needed because of a lack of funds.
"Don't let the money be a factor," he says simply. "If you put down a plan and sell that plan to people, [be they] businesspeople or people out foreign, they will come up trumps. So get the best person, and give him the resources needed. Don't expect to do a professional job with an amateur budget ... People in Mayo are looking for a plan. They want success, and I think they would row in behind it."
The two O'Neill interviews were excellent reading. He talks more cogently on Mayo football than anyone I've ever heard. He's been on about these things since he was manager but have we ever looked at them? No. County Board meeting was on tonight where the review was due to be discussed. Any word?
Moysider is right, O'Neill would be great to have in as director of football.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 29, 2010, 11:20:22 PM
The two O'Neill interviews were excellent reading. He talks more cogently on Mayo football than anyone I've ever heard. He's been on about these things since he was manager but have we ever looked at them? No. County Board meeting was on tonight where the review was due to be discussed. Any word?
Moysider is right, O'Neill would be great to have in as director of football.
I'd be happy enough if someone like Kevin was in charge of it. Intelligent, articulate and has the ability to lead - whilst he's the complete antithesis of a Knockmore man ( :P) he could certainly get things done.
Eh?
good stuff indeed but one thing talkin sense and another having ability to carry it out
what does he do in states ? is it related to what he says here ?
if so he would be a real front runner
know we re short on common sense in mayo but can t be shouting for the 1st logical sounding buck that sticks his head above the parapet
Quote from: spuds on July 30, 2010, 12:12:58 AM
good stuff indeed but one thing talkin sense and another having ability to carry it out
what does he do in states ? is it related to what he says here ?
if so he would be a real front runner
know we re short on common sense in mayo but can t be shouting for the 1st logical sounding buck that sticks his head above the parapet
Are you happy with that post Spuds?
Quote from: ross4life on July 05, 2010, 04:47:16 PM
Next Mayo manager?
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Quote from: moysider on July 30, 2010, 01:44:21 AM
Quote from: spuds on July 30, 2010, 12:12:58 AM
good stuff indeed but one thing talkin sense and another having ability to carry it out
what does he do in states ? is it related to what he says here ?
if so he would be a real front runner
know we re short on common sense in mayo but can t be shouting for the 1st logical sounding buck that sticks his head above the parapet
Are you happy with that post Spuds?
well i am the lack of common sense remark biteen too strong
Quote from: spuds on July 30, 2010, 12:12:58 AM
good stuff indeed but one thing talkin sense and another having ability to carry it out
what does he do in states ? is it related to what he says here ?
if so he would be a real front runner
know we re short on common sense in mayo but can t be shouting for the 1st logical sounding buck that sticks his head above the parapet
It's more than him being the first logical sounding buck. Plenty of people have made logical comments. O'Neill is the first person I've seen discuss a cogent plan and speak passionately about implementing it. He was always highly regarded but he was before my time so I never really could make up my own mind on him. After reading those two pieces, I can see why he's so regarded. Regarding what he does in the States, I dunno. But he does say he doesn't want the job of director of football!!
Stephenites suggestion that Kevin O'Neill could do it isn't a bad one but I'd say he's making far too much money elsewhere to come down to Mayo!
Quote from: moysider on July 29, 2010, 10:46:18 PM
Liam O Neill in this weeks Mayo News. Such a change from the watery shite we're usually subjected to. Any chance we could coax him back. Find out what he makes and offer him double.
"Passion and heart" needed
Liam O'Neill says the next Mayo manager's first step should be to interview players
Daniel Carey
ASKED what advice he would give to the next Mayo manager, Liam O'Neill says it's good to talk. Whoever succeeds John O'Mahony in the hot seat should, he says, "interview every single person who has aspirations of coming into a Mayo panel", outline the commitment required, and ask: "What have you done for yourself?"
The Galwayman met ex-Mayo players 15 or 20 years after he gave them the opportunity to wear the green and red in the 1980s. Some admitted they were happy enough to play for their clubs; it was never their ambition to bring back the Sam Maguire Cup. It would, he hints, have been rather useful to know that back in the 1980s.
"Not everybody is prepared to put in the hard work, and it isn't their top priority to win an All-Ireland ... when they know what's entailed," he notes. "You and I might think 'Jesus, I'd do anything to win an All-Ireland', but you want to find that out [off every player], and find out very, very fast. And one of the ways you find it out [is to ask] 'Well, what have you done in the past?' That's a fair indicator. And then you've got to monitor that, and see is he improving."
The coach's checklist
O'NEILL says a manager needs to demand goals of his players, build-up self-esteem, establish good habits, and be a good communicator and delegator. He prefers the word 'coach', and advocates a structure similar to that used by athletic directors in American universities, who oversee and co-ordinate the work of various specialists. After all, "he can't do everything himself".
Quoting former Dublin manager Kevin Heffernan, O'Neill adds that it's crucial to establish if players have the capacity to listen and learn, and be willing to change if necessary. That could, he believes, lead to major changes in personnel – "Because I believe some of these guys that I see on the Mayo team at the moment ... they may have the capacity to listen and learn, but they haven't the capacity to change in their attitude. And you can see it in their body language."
Memory lane
PART of O'Neill's answer to the low self-esteem he encountered as Mayo manager was to implement a weight training programme. He took a group of players to the National Institute of Higher Education (now the University of Limerick) for a fitness evaluation and got some bad news. It was, he was told, too late for a lot of the players. They should have been doing strength, flexibility and endurance tests while still in their teens, not when they were in their mid-20s. More shockingly, one individual "couldn't bench-press 35 pounds" when the average man in good physical condition could manage 195 pounds.
Yet he met with some resistance – "When you brought that back to certain individuals, they said: 'I have been successful up to now, why do I need to do weight training'?" he recalls. One player cited his All-Ireland minor title as proof that he didn't need to bulk up. Sometimes, he notes, wryly, major success at underage level "can be the ruination of a player" who "feels he has arrived" when "he's only starting" out. Furthermore, he notes a pattern where "we're looking for these young guys to be the saviours if Mayo", and are expected to carry the weight of the county on their shoulders, rather than find their feet at senior level.
Passion
O'NEILL adds that what he did 20 years ago coaching-wise "wouldn't survive today", but says the principles are still sound: "Gaelic football is not a complicated game. You need passion and heart. If you ain't got that, you ain't going any place ... when I see some Mayo footballers, and physically they haven't improved over five years ... I would seriously question their passion to play with Mayo."
That question of desire is one O'Neill returns to more than once in the course of our conversation.
Earlier this year, he met former All-Ireland winner Paddy Prendergast (now aged over 80) in San Diego. "By just talking to that man, you come away with the amount of passion that he still has to this day ... the love of Mayo ... and how much he'd give to see Mayo win an All-Ireland," he says.
BEFORE he looks forward, former Mayo senior football manager Liam O'Neill wants to look back. He recalls meeting double All-Ireland winner Fr Peter Quinn, who spent a lot of time in America and researched stateside training and coaching methods before presenting the information he had collated to Mayo GAA Board. What happened next?
"The Mayo County Board at that time took a look at it and it was never heard from since – which to me was a pure insult to the man," O'Neill told The Mayo News in a telephone interview from San Diego. "Here was a man who had won two All-Irelands, and he was giving Mayo an opportunity to see what the professional people were doing out here in America."
O'Neill has long been a student of sports coaching in America, where he has lived for the past 16 years, but also keeps a close eye on events at home. The Mayo GAA Board are undertaking a review of the state of football in the county. The man who managed the Mayo senior team between 1983 and 1987 wants to see a five- to seven-year plan, a Director of Football, and a particular emphasis on 15- to 18-year-olds. He's looking, in short, for "something different", rather than "the same thing over and over again".
"A pruning process"
IN O'Neill's vision, the Director of Football would put together a plan, monitor the plan, and monitor the individuals in his charge. It's not, incidentally, a post he's interested in taking himself, but he insists there are plenty of people in Mayo capable of doing the job.
"And it's a pruning process as well, to see: Is that [player] able to stand up to the rigour? What does it entail? Put down goals in front of them and hold them accountable. Because every guy thinks he wants to play county football for Mayo, but does he want to put in the time when nobody is looking? You've got to monitor that, and deal in facts and figures. How fast can you run the 40-yard dash? How bigger and stronger did you get this year? I think you need a Director of Football [to] hold those people accountable."
This would not be a shot-term project, the former All-Star emphasises. County Board officials who would back it may not still be part of the executive by the time the plan bears fruit, but the steps can be put in place now. "The old house is going to fall down if there's no foundation!" he says wryly.
Underage Apprenticeship
THE envisaged Director of Football would have "total control over football matters" in Mayo and would oversee a programme for promising underage footballers. Such a programme might, O'Neill says, turn up two or three people every year, and feedback and monitoring would establish that these players "have the passion and commitment to play for Mayo".
"It would be the Director of Football's job to do the apprenticeship with those guys, and have them ready for the senior team manager. Because it is a culling stage – there's no way that you have 100 guys ready and fit and able to play for Mayo that have that amount of passion [required]. But there are certainly plenty with a burning desire, [which] is going to show up with commitment and based on facts and figures over three or four years."
Learning from the best
O'NEILL cites the example of Jurgen Klinsmann, the US-based former German soccer manager who "wasn't afraid to bring the dynamics, the professionalism and the thinking from different sports" in his adopted country.
He says Mayo GAA has much to learn from best practice at home and abroad – from Tyrone to Kerry, who even have a five-year programme in place for hurling; and from 83-year-old Penn State football coach Joe Paterno to the late John Wooden, winner of nine back-to-back basketball championships with UCLA.
"You can learn from people that have been successful in other sports – if you have an open mind, rather than saying 'I have it all done'," says O'Neill. "The right people are not afraid to bring in somebody else's ideas, and learn from them."
The Money
GIVEN the current economic climate, and the loan on the McHale Park development, many people may recoil at the projected cost of such a strategy. But O'Neill is adamant that Mayo people the world over would row in behind it if was well thought-out and properly marketed.
There is, he says, no point in appointing a Director of Football if he can't do what's needed because of a lack of funds.
"Don't let the money be a factor," he says simply. "If you put down a plan and sell that plan to people, [be they] businesspeople or people out foreign, they will come up trumps. So get the best person, and give him the resources needed. Don't expect to do a professional job with an amateur budget ... People in Mayo are looking for a plan. They want success, and I think they would row in behind it."
Great common sense.
Based on past experience Mayo will ignore it - in full.
Lads is that Liam O'Neill Kevin O'Neill's father? used to play in goals fadó fadó? If so, he was based in San Diego I think, and was coaching us when we played football out there... Fierce nice man.
Yeah. Kevin s father. Also an All Star. Wing back at county level. Marked David Hickey in 74 AI final. A driving force behind Knockmore s emergence as a force at senior club. Arguably the best county manager we have had but not popular at the time because of where he came from. There was really nothing to the county before him - a lot like now. Mayo s senior football team in 70s and early 80s was a rabble, in spite of there being lots of players with ability about.
By all accounts Liam brought a totally new level of professionalism to the setup in Knockmore back in the '70s. We went from Intermediate in '72 to Connacht Senior champions in '73
Anyone hear how Micko got on?
think the whole thing is bananas personally. The rudimentary basics of assembling a good team have not changed since 1884. Mayo will get paralysed by analysis if they take that post too seriously. At times Mayo nearly care too much. And I mean that in a good way.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 30, 2010, 04:58:17 PM
By all accounts Liam brought a totally new level of professionalism to the setup in Knockmore back in the '70s. We went from Intermediate in '72 to Connacht Senior champions in '73
They must be great days back then.
I've heard Dempsey is interested in the job. Regarding J Mohan's point about Mayo ignoring Liam O'Neill's tuppence worth, that's my biggest fear. We will continue to go sideways/backwards if something radical isn't done.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 11:06:05 PM
think the whole thing is bananas personally. The rudimentary basics of assembling a good team have not changed since 1884. Mayo will get paralysed by analysis if they take that post too seriously. At times Mayo nearly care too much. And I mean that in a good way.
Ah, I dunno, Indy. It's a case of being damned if you do and f**ked if you don't with Mayo. There's widespread acceptance from all concerned that things have gone so badly wrong that a fundamental root and branch review is called for.
John O'Mahony didn't fail to assemble a good team- he just made a mess of getting it to play to anywhere near its full potential.
Maybe it is unfair to blame him fully for the mess he has left behind him but something is badly wrong with the structures of Mayo football and the problem or problems need to be indicated and resolved before anyone goes about assembling a county squad once more.
The proposed review, IMO, is a positive step in the right direction-at least it's recognition that we have serious underlying problems and that a mere change of manager won't answer our prayers.
Assembling a squad should be easy enough; Mayo has a large pool to draw from.
Selecting the best available might take a bit more time and trouble but shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of O'Mahony's successor- whoever he may be. Getting the hoors he selects to play to anywhere near their full potential may be quite a different matter.
Mayo are the present minor Connacht champions. I think that's their third title in five years. The u21s won 4 of the last 5 in their grade. The minors gave two very credible displays in AI finals, while the u21s won out in 2006. All in all, it seems to me that we have a good supply of young players with potential coming through the ranks. Credit should be given to Ray Dempsey, Noel Connelly and others associated with them for this.
I feel John O'Mahony had more young players with serious potential at his disposal than any other manager in the land - and he proceeded to make pigs' ears out of silk purses where the whole effin' lot were concerned!
He also inherited an experienced nucleus of players, four of whom had won All Star awards. Maybe it would be unfair to expect an experienced manager with an established panel to snag an AI or two along the way but from beginning to end, it was a case standards going downhill all the way. Many observers, including your truly, accepted his assertion that the older players had lost their cojones after the massacres of '04 and '06 but it was obvious from the league final onwards that the younger buckos also had turned into sick parodies of their former selves.
O'Mahony must bear some of the blame for this but by no means all of it. The senior players who meekly followed their leader in the race to the bottom have questions to answer as well. His two assistants and Martin Carney can't escape censure either. Maybe most of the county board deserve a good root up the rock & roll while I'm at it but it was noticeable that the much-maligned secretary, Sean Feeney, broke ranks with his remarks in his last annual report when he had a go at the manager and his team.
Feeney was to point out that the manager and team had the best resources that could be provided. So, given the widespread nature of the malaise, I think a review is an urgent necessity and not an option.
If I had my way, we'd have an Inquisition and I'd go still further and say that we'd need to employ a damn good exorcist before we even think about appointing a new manager.
Ah Jaysus lads, the pessimism is overbearing.
I feel we are in the aftermath of the Championship loss in 1995.
We don't see the great year ahead coming and we haven't even appointed the man who will do it. We have the men who will lead us there and most of the rest as well have already worn the jersey. I just hope we won't be asking where were the McD & KON equivalents are, as they might have been the ones to get the point or two in the last 12 minutes that would have won it.
Our players aren't far off at all. The knockout nature of the Championship can make reputations and experts look very silly in even one weekend as we have seen. Personally I expect Kerry to bounce straight back and Tyrone are Ulster Champions, the most competitive province imho. They won't be far away next year.
As for us, at the end of the League in 1995 we had been relegated to Division 3 to join Galway and Sligo. We then were beaten by 7 points by Galway. This was when Connacht football was really in the doldrums. Compare that with now where we (albeit badly) lost the Division 1 Final and have a steady supply of decent under-age teams and players.
Whatever spark happened in early 1996 it ignited players that had played in the dross outlined above. Compared to those players our current lot have consistently competed at a higher level, even underage. I am an eternal optimist when it comes to Mayo and still believe we just need the right spark.
If the County Board takes the rest of the year to locate that spark I don't care, as long as they get it right.
Now, how are ye fixed for tickets next year?
I'm afraid to be optimistic muppet, because if I predict Mayo will win the next match, they're sure to go and lose it. :-\
Listening to people about, the penny is finally dropping about how badly we missed the boat. After all the bullshit about rebuilding, when standards evened out we are nowhere due mostly to dreadful management last 4 summers. Down, Kildare and Dublin have AI semi finals to look forward to and we get a review. Something that could be done over a winter when there is no football to be played. Our minors in the last 4 again would suggest that underage structures aren't doing too badly. The senior debacle over the last 4 years will no doubt be the focus of the review.
I would hope that a new manager will be in place for the New York trip. As regards the senior panel. It should be stood down. What happened this year was not acceptable and while we cant stand down the management - who were the biggest culprits - the players have to be sent a message as well. If it hasn't been done already they should be contacted and thanked for their commitment in the past. However none should be left with the illusion that they are still Mayo footballers and are going to be in the future unless they are wanted by the new management. Might seem a bit harsh but disbanding the senior panel needs to be done to draw a line under this mess. The new manager should start from scratch and take Liam O Neill's advice and interview everybody he thinks might have anything to offer. I would be in favor of bringing an expeditionary panel to States.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 01, 2010, 12:11:45 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 11:06:05 PM
think the whole thing is bananas personally. The rudimentary basics of assembling a good team have not changed since 1884. Mayo will get paralysed by analysis if they take that post too seriously. At times Mayo nearly care too much. And I mean that in a good way.
Ah, I dunno, Indy. It's a case of being damned if you do and f**ked if you don't with Mayo. There's widespread acceptance from all concerned that things have gone so badly wrong that a fundamental root and branch review is called for.
John O'Mahony didn't fail to assemble a good team- he just made a mess of getting it to play to anywhere near its full potential.
Maybe it is unfair to blame him fully for the mess he has left behind him but something is badly wrong with the structures of Mayo football and the problem or problems need to be indicated and resolved before anyone goes about assembling a county squad once more.
The proposed review, IMO, is a positive step in the right direction-at least it's recognition that we have serious underlying problems and that a mere change of manager won't answer our prayers.
Assembling a squad should be easy enough; Mayo has a large pool to draw from.
Selecting the best available might take a bit more time and trouble but shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of O'Mahony's successor- whoever he may be. Getting the hoors he selects to play to anywhere near their full potential may be quite a different matter.
Mayo are the present minor Connacht champions. I think that's their third title in five years. The u21s won 4 of the last 5 in their grade. The minors gave two very credible displays in AI finals, while the u21s won out in 2006. All in all, it seems to me that we have a good supply of young players with potential coming through the ranks. Credit should be given to Ray Dempsey, Noel Connelly and others associated with them for this.
I feel John O'Mahony had more young players with serious potential at his disposal than any other manager in the land - and he proceeded to make pigs' ears out of silk purses where the whole effin' lot were concerned!
He also inherited an experienced nucleus of players, four of whom had won All Star awards. Maybe it would be unfair to expect an experienced manager with an established panel to snag an AI or two along the way but from beginning to end, it was a case standards going downhill all the way. Many observers, including your truly, accepted his assertion that the older players had lost their cojones after the massacres of '04 and '06 but it was obvious from the league final onwards that the younger buckos also had turned into sick parodies of their former selves.
O'Mahony must bear some of the blame for this but by no means all of it. The senior players who meekly followed their leader in the race to the bottom have questions to answer as well. His two assistants and Martin Carney can't escape censure either. Maybe most of the county board deserve a good root up the rock & roll while I'm at it but it was noticeable that the much-maligned secretary, Sean Feeney, broke ranks with his remarks in his last annual report when he had a go at the manager and his team.
Feeney was to point out that the manager and team had the best resources that could be provided. So, given the widespread nature of the malaise, I think a review is an urgent necessity and not an option.
If I had my way, we'd have an Inquisition and I'd go still further and say that we'd need to employ a damn good exorcist before we even think about appointing a new manager.
Lar if dublin can assemble a team after the wreckage of the last 2 years in hte space of 12 months. Anyone can. Put the essence of a work ethic into the team and assemble a group of players who are more interested in playing for the jersey rather then being known as "Mayo footballers". Thats a startijng point. Leave the reports for the county board but I certainly wouldn't be publicising them.
I agree with moysider - a new manager should be in place before New York. What date is that game anyhow? I know it's October sometime. There is some good groundwork that can be done over a few days like that - manager gets to know players, gets to chat to them casually and plans for the new season can be set out.
It also appears that yet again supporters have been sold a pup with the so-called review that is to take place. Despite the initial statement brought out to take heat off the Board in the week after the Longford game it appears that they are clueless as to where they should or want to go with the whole process and so haven't done anything about it. There is plenty to look at, all of which should be done quietly and behind closed doors with a view to ultimately having somebody other than a Senior Manager responsible for the integration of players between various grades and constantly controlling the progress of football within the county. What is clear is that the talent is being brought through to minor level but things are not followed on from there too well. Why is the big question, and perhaps some of the answers lie in the fact that being in Connacht we have a fair to good chance of a provincial title at each grade each year but fail against other provinces.
Anyway what the new manager in the main has at his disposal is the under 21 teams of 2006 - 2010 and the minor teams of 2007 to 2010, and of course this years senior panel. There is overlap but this is what we are looking at;
2010 Senior Panel
1 Chris Barrett Belmullet
2 Ger Cafferkey Ballina Stephenites
3 David Clarke Ballina Stephenites
4 Kieran Conroy Shrule-Glencorrib
5 Tom Cunniffe Castlebar Mitchels
6 Alan Dillon Ballintubber
7 Neil Douglas Castlebar Mitchels
8 Alan Feeney Castlebar Mitchels
9 Alan Freeman Aghamore
10 Peadar Gardiner Crossmolina
11 Patrick Harte Ballina Stephenites
12 Keith Higgins Ballyhaunis
13 Trevor Howley Knockmore
14 Aidan Kilcoyne Knockmore
15 Ronan McGarrity Ballina
16 Kevin McLoughlin Knockmore
17 Andy Moran Ballaghaderreen
18 Barry Moran Castlebar Mitchels
19 Conor Mortimer Shrule-Glencorrib
20 Trevor Mortimer Shrule-Glencorrib
21 Shane Nally Garrymore
22 Kenneth O'Malley Ballinrobe
23 Liam O'Malley Burrishoole
24 Aidan O'Shea Breaffy
25 Seamus O'Shea Breaffy
26 Billy Joe Padden Belmullet
27 Tom Parsons Charlestown
28 Mark Ronaldson Shrule-Glencorrib
29 Enda Varley Garrymore
30 Donal Vaughan Ballinrobe
2006 under 21
K O'Malley; T Howley, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (capt); C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; S O'Shea, B Moran; A Campbell, J Dillon, A Kilcoyne; M Ronaldson, M Hannick, M Conroy.
2007 under 21
M McNulty; A Joyce, G Cafferkey, D Kilcullen; C Barrett, T Cunniffe, C Boyle; B Moran, T Parsons ; A Campbell, P Hanley A McManamon; E Varley , A Hanley, M Ronaldson
2008 under 21
Nallen; D Vaughan, G Cafferkey, C English; C Barrett (C), T Cunniffe, J Burke; S O'Shea, T Parsons; T Gavin, B Gallagher, J Doherty; M Sweeney, K Sweeney, P O'Connor
2009 Under 21
R Hennelly; E Reilly, K Keane, J Broderick; D Vaughan, L Keegan, K McLoughlin; T Parsons, C Carolan; F Burke, A O'Shea, B Gallagher; M Sweeney , N Douglas , J Doherty
2010 Under 21
R Hennelly; P Mulchrone, S McHale, M Gallagher; L Keegan, E O'Reilly, S Prendergast; G McDonagh, S Nally; C Carolan, K McLoughlin, J Doherty; N Douglas , A O'Shea , A Freeman
2008 Minor
R Hennelly; D Dolan, K Keane, J Broderick; S McHale, E Reilly, S Nally (capt) ; J Cafferty, G McDonagh; C Freeman, A O'Shea, R Geraghty; K Charlton, A Walsh , A Corduff .
2009 Minor
M Schlingermann; M Walsh, K Rogers, D Gavin; C Charlton , S McDermott, C Crowe; D Kirby, A Farrell; B Rutledge, D Coen, F Durkan ; A Corduff, A Walsh, C O'Connor
2010 Minor
P Mannion; B Harrison, N Freeman, C Twomey; R Quirke, C Walsh, C Horan; D Kirby, S McGarry; F Durkan, M Forde, S Kelly; J McDonnell, D Coen, C O'Connor
To my mind I would hope that a new attitude and a second chance might benefit David Kilcullen and Aidan Campbell.
The 98 minor team appears to have the most talent available - Shane Nally, Kevin Keane and Cathal Freeman would appear to be the most likely team.
If we are looking for corner backs I don't know if the answers are there. Aidan Walsh or Cillian O'Connor can hopefully in time provide the freekaing options needed. Midfield answers still appear to be missing in the short term.
Given that we will be relying on this young pool there are only two men that know them inside out. Connelley and Dempsey. Of these I think Connelly has to be the man to lead the project forward for the next 3/4 years.
There must have been all hell breaking loose at the county board convention on Thursday night according to the Western People. Needless to say, there was no sign of any plan to put a review in place, or what they were reviewing. It's good to clear the air all the same, but something must be done soon regarding the 'review'. Nominations must be in from clubs before September the 3rd for the manager's post.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2010, 03:47:44 PM
There must have been all hell breaking loose at the county board convention on Thursday night according to the Western People. Needless to say, there was no sign of any plan to put a review in place, or what they were reviewing. It's good to clear the air all the same, but something must be done soon regarding the 'review'. Nominations must be in from clubs before September the 3rd for the manager's post.
There was some ruptions alright. The mayo news have the Gossip
Nominations sought for manager's job
MAYO COUNTY BOARD MEETING
Daniel Carey
Castlebar
ANYONE interested in becoming the next Mayo senior football manager must apply before August 20, Chairman James Waldron told last Thursday's meeting of Mayo GAA Board.
Announcing the closing date for nominations, The Neale clubman said all proposals from clubs "must be accompanied by a letter" from the person interested in the job. A committee to appoint the next manager will then be set up in accordance with criteria suggested by GAA Headquarters.
Waldron agreed with a Ballaghaderreen delegate who suggested that prospective managers "should outline their vision" for Mayo football. Secretary Seán Feeney added that members of the Board "may also nominate" candidates provided their application includes such a vision. Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) suggested that the next manager should come "from within the county".
Responding to a question from John Farragher (Garrymore), the Chairman said that rumours of payments to Mickey Moran and John Morrison at the time of their departures in 2006 were "pure melodeon". JP Lambe added that there were "no underhand payments to anyone" during his time as Treasurer.
Review goes back to clubs
CLUBS have been told to discuss the state of football in Mayo and bring proposals to a meeting of their local divisional board to be held by September 6. That was the outcome of a lengthy and sometimes meandering discussion at last week's County Board meeting on the review of Mayo football.
The review, proposed after the senior inter-county team's shock defeat by Longford, will "go back to the clubs" and be discussed at divisional board level before a "strategy to go forward" is compiled, Chairman James Waldron told the meeting. "Go back, talk to your clubs, make submissions, and we'll get committees in place," advised The Neale clubman.
The Executive, County Board, Bord na nÓg, the club structure, divisional boards and the progression from minor to under-21 to senior level should all be examined, said Waldron, who noted: "We have to look at everything".
The early part of the debate centred on underage football before one delegate focused on the adult scene, saying: "2010 was a disgrace from a senior football point of view ... There were lads wearing Mayo jerseys who didn't want to be there ... There's no point asking us to sell County Board tickets next February if we don't have answers."
Richard Cosgrove (Kiltane) said that after the 2006 All-Ireland final, the "lack of physicality" among Mayo players had been noted at a County Board meeting. "What did we do since then to rectify that?" he asked. James Waldron replied that all Mayo panel members were given gym programmes, and Coaching Officer Hugh Rudden said a strength and conditioning programme had been introduced for under-17s.
Aidan Brennan (Claremorris) said the County Board has become "totally ineffectual" and meetings were a "waste of time". Most delegates "would tell you they have no say at all," said the former County Board PRO, who added that the divisional board had become "totally irrelevant". "The main committees of this county are not working, because they're not there," said Brennan, who suggested that the Executive "doesn't want meetings"'. Chairman James Waldron said he totally resented Brennan's comments, and said the workload undertaken by members of the Executive was "unbelievable".
"Nice guys will not win Sam Maguires," said South Board Chairman Mattie Joe Connolly, who called for a change in Mayo's "whole policy from underage level" and approvingly cited Roscommon's "courage and fight".
Pat McManamon (Burrishoole) said that Mayo were "not within shooting distance of Sam Maguire", and that the tone of the meeting suggested that "reality has finally dawned". Mayo were not in the top eight or top 12, he said, but were "a little better than the bottom five".
Amanda Doherty (Kilmaine) commented on the "huge division" in the County Board and said she hadn't "a notion" of being able to sell 60 or 70 Development Draw tickets next year. That point was echoed by Mattie Murphy (Shrule/Glencorrib), who mentioned the fine imposed on his club for not playing the O'Mara Cup final and mused: "If I went to sell County Board tickets in Shrule, I'd be shot going in the gate!"
Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) said that he had "never heard such an air of negativity" at a County Board meeting before. "We're not Kilkenny footballers," he said. "We're a proud football county."
Review of Coaching and Games
BILLY McNicholas said the future of Mayo Coaching and Games should involve the immediate establishment of "an independent and meaningful" Review Group to review "all coaching and games structures, systems, policies and achievements".
The group should, the Mayo GAA Games Manager said, include representatives of Mayo County Board, Mayo Coaching and Games Development Committee, past and present club managers, coaches, players and administrators, media and other invited interested parties.
Such a review would, McNicholas predicted, "enhance" the "fantastic work" going on at underage level in the county. He made the comments after giving a short presentation on the work of Mayo Coaching and Games at the beginning of last Thursday's County Board meeting.
Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) said the Mayo minor players of the last two years should be monitored now that many have gone off to college, beginning with the group who reached the 2008 All-Ireland final.
"Do we identify players at under-14 level as possible future county minors?" asked Games Promotion Officer Eugene Lavin. "That doesn't go on enough." But, he added, since 1993, 90 per cent of under-14s brought into the programme make it to minor.
Having elicited that only 15 per cent of under-14s entering the programme are able to use both feet and both hands, Mayo Bord na nÓg Chairman Mike Connelly said a "win at all costs" attitude was "a huge problem", since young players were not being taught the skills of the game.
Eugene Lavin said the "real issue" was what happened after minor level. "I don't think lack of skill was the reason we lost games this year," he added.
Over-40s competition
MAYO GAA Board will contact Croke Park "to seek restoration" of the Masters Football competition, James Waldron told last week's meeting.
A Ballaghaderreen delegate said that Mayo Over-40s captain John Pat Sheridan was "the last man I heard speak with passion" about Mayo football. Mattie Murphy (Shrule/Glencorrib) and John Farragher (Garrymore) both expressed support for reinstating the competition.
ABP decision put back
MAYO GAA Board are "still waiting" for An Bord Pleanála's decision on the controversial aspects of the McHale Park development, Chairman James Waldron told last week's meeting. A decision was due on July 28, but is not now expected until early September.
Mayo All Whites?
MAYO should change the colour of their jersey, one supporter has suggested in a letter to Seán Feeney. Enda Coyne noted that the county had enjoyed All-Ireland success in an all-white jersey, and that with the 60th anniversary of those events now upon us, Mayo should adopt "a white design with green and red trim".
PICK A NUMBER
500,000
THE amount (in euro) which one pending GAA-related claim within Mayo could amount to, according to Paddy Muldoon.
QUOTE OF THE NIGHT
"I haven't seen a good fight in a match"
Swinford delegate (and referee) Peter Geraghty bemoans the lack of passion in Mayo football
So is it 20/8 or 3/9 for the nominations?
Either way it certainly seems the appointment (assuming there are nominations) is going to go ahead before any review.
Anybody know of who is going to be putting their hats in the ring and what is the story with the GAA's recommended process?
Quote from: Barney on August 03, 2010, 08:04:12 PM
Anybody know of who is going to be putting their hats in the ring and what is the story with the GAA's recommended process?
I hear Sligonian is going to throw his hat in the ring for the Mayo job.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on August 03, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2010, 03:47:44 PM
There must have been all hell breaking loose at the county board convention on Thursday night according to the Western People. Needless to say, there was no sign of any plan to put a review in place, or what they were reviewing. It's good to clear the air all the same, but something must be done soon regarding the 'review'. Nominations must be in from clubs before September the 3rd for the manager's post.
There was some ruptions alright. The mayo news have the Gossip
Nominations sought for manager's job
MAYO COUNTY BOARD MEETING
Daniel Carey
Castlebar
ANYONE interested in becoming the next Mayo senior football manager must apply before August 20, Chairman James Waldron told last Thursday's meeting of Mayo GAA Board.
Announcing the closing date for nominations, The Neale clubman said all proposals from clubs "must be accompanied by a letter" from the person interested in the job. A committee to appoint the next manager will then be set up in accordance with criteria suggested by GAA Headquarters.
Waldron agreed with a Ballaghaderreen delegate who suggested that prospective managers "should outline their vision" for Mayo football. Secretary Seán Feeney added that members of the Board "may also nominate" candidates provided their application includes such a vision. Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) suggested that the next manager should come "from within the county".
Responding to a question from John Farragher (Garrymore), the Chairman said that rumours of payments to Mickey Moran and John Morrison at the time of their departures in 2006 were "pure melodeon". JP Lambe added that there were "no underhand payments to anyone" during his time as Treasurer.
Review goes back to clubs
CLUBS have been told to discuss the state of football in Mayo and bring proposals to a meeting of their local divisional board to be held by September 6. That was the outcome of a lengthy and sometimes meandering discussion at last week's County Board meeting on the review of Mayo football.
The review, proposed after the senior inter-county team's shock defeat by Longford, will "go back to the clubs" and be discussed at divisional board level before a "strategy to go forward" is compiled, Chairman James Waldron told the meeting. "Go back, talk to your clubs, make submissions, and we'll get committees in place," advised The Neale clubman.
The Executive, County Board, Bord na nÓg, the club structure, divisional boards and the progression from minor to under-21 to senior level should all be examined, said Waldron, who noted: "We have to look at everything".
The early part of the debate centred on underage football before one delegate focused on the adult scene, saying: "2010 was a disgrace from a senior football point of view ... There were lads wearing Mayo jerseys who didn't want to be there ... There's no point asking us to sell County Board tickets next February if we don't have answers."
Richard Cosgrove (Kiltane) said that after the 2006 All-Ireland final, the "lack of physicality" among Mayo players had been noted at a County Board meeting. "What did we do since then to rectify that?" he asked. James Waldron replied that all Mayo panel members were given gym programmes, and Coaching Officer Hugh Rudden said a strength and conditioning programme had been introduced for under-17s.
Aidan Brennan (Claremorris) said the County Board has become "totally ineffectual" and meetings were a "waste of time". Most delegates "would tell you they have no say at all," said the former County Board PRO, who added that the divisional board had become "totally irrelevant". "The main committees of this county are not working, because they're not there," said Brennan, who suggested that the Executive "doesn't want meetings"'. Chairman James Waldron said he totally resented Brennan's comments, and said the workload undertaken by members of the Executive was "unbelievable".
"Nice guys will not win Sam Maguires," said South Board Chairman Mattie Joe Connolly, who called for a change in Mayo's "whole policy from underage level" and approvingly cited Roscommon's "courage and fight".
Pat McManamon (Burrishoole) said that Mayo were "not within shooting distance of Sam Maguire", and that the tone of the meeting suggested that "reality has finally dawned". Mayo were not in the top eight or top 12, he said, but were "a little better than the bottom five".
Amanda Doherty (Kilmaine) commented on the "huge division" in the County Board and said she hadn't "a notion" of being able to sell 60 or 70 Development Draw tickets next year. That point was echoed by Mattie Murphy (Shrule/Glencorrib), who mentioned the fine imposed on his club for not playing the O'Mara Cup final and mused: "If I went to sell County Board tickets in Shrule, I'd be shot going in the gate!"
Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) said that he had "never heard such an air of negativity" at a County Board meeting before. "We're not Kilkenny footballers," he said. "We're a proud football county."
Review of Coaching and Games
BILLY McNicholas said the future of Mayo Coaching and Games should involve the immediate establishment of "an independent and meaningful" Review Group to review "all coaching and games structures, systems, policies and achievements".
The group should, the Mayo GAA Games Manager said, include representatives of Mayo County Board, Mayo Coaching and Games Development Committee, past and present club managers, coaches, players and administrators, media and other invited interested parties.
Such a review would, McNicholas predicted, "enhance" the "fantastic work" going on at underage level in the county. He made the comments after giving a short presentation on the work of Mayo Coaching and Games at the beginning of last Thursday's County Board meeting.
Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) said the Mayo minor players of the last two years should be monitored now that many have gone off to college, beginning with the group who reached the 2008 All-Ireland final.
"Do we identify players at under-14 level as possible future county minors?" asked Games Promotion Officer Eugene Lavin. "That doesn't go on enough." But, he added, since 1993, 90 per cent of under-14s brought into the programme make it to minor.
Having elicited that only 15 per cent of under-14s entering the programme are able to use both feet and both hands, Mayo Bord na nÓg Chairman Mike Connelly said a "win at all costs" attitude was "a huge problem", since young players were not being taught the skills of the game.
Eugene Lavin said the "real issue" was what happened after minor level. "I don't think lack of skill was the reason we lost games this year," he added.
Over-40s competition
MAYO GAA Board will contact Croke Park "to seek restoration" of the Masters Football competition, James Waldron told last week's meeting.
A Ballaghaderreen delegate said that Mayo Over-40s captain John Pat Sheridan was "the last man I heard speak with passion" about Mayo football. Mattie Murphy (Shrule/Glencorrib) and John Farragher (Garrymore) both expressed support for reinstating the competition.
ABP decision put back
MAYO GAA Board are "still waiting" for An Bord Pleanála's decision on the controversial aspects of the McHale Park development, Chairman James Waldron told last week's meeting. A decision was due on July 28, but is not now expected until early September.
Mayo All Whites?
MAYO should change the colour of their jersey, one supporter has suggested in a letter to Seán Feeney. Enda Coyne noted that the county had enjoyed All-Ireland success in an all-white jersey, and that with the 60th anniversary of those events now upon us, Mayo should adopt "a white design with green and red trim".
PICK A NUMBER
500,000
THE amount (in euro) which one pending GAA-related claim within Mayo could amount to, according to Paddy Muldoon.
QUOTE OF THE NIGHT
"I haven't seen a good fight in a match"
Swinford delegate (and referee) Peter Geraghty bemoans the lack of passion in Mayo football
Kind of reminds of the line in the WHO song "meet the new boss same as the old boss"
Some of the characters quoted in the above piece are part of the problem not the solution, makes you want to laugh and then cry.
It was only yesterday whilst stuck in traffic on the harbour bridge that I was thinking that reverting to a white jersey is the way to go
Sounds like there was an unmerciful amount of bitching going on at the CB meeting, but did any of the people quoted offer anything constructive? Its easy to say 'this is wrong' and 'that is wrong'. but we (they) need to look forward and discuss the way out of this mess.
There's been more constructive discussion on here, it might do the CB some good to read whats been posted...
Quote from: stephenite on August 04, 2010, 01:32:27 AM
It was only yesterday whilst stuck in traffic on the harbour bridge that I was thinking that reverting to a white jersey is the way to go
Take alot more than a colour change as you know but it's not a bad idea alright. Time to do it was in the 06 final if ever there was one.
Some amount of bitchin and finger pointing there as deeler has noted. No review before the manager appointment is balls, seem to be passing the buck big time.
I think that's great for Mayo football
Some home truths being spoken there. Get it all out in the open, a bit of abuse and bloodletting will be good for Mayo in the long run.
Better have it all out in the open than behind the door.
Quote from: joemamas on August 04, 2010, 01:28:09 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on August 03, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2010, 03:47:44 PM
There must have been all hell breaking loose at the county board convention on Thursday night according to the Western People. Needless to say, there was no sign of any plan to put a review in place, or what they were reviewing. It's good to clear the air all the same, but something must be done soon regarding the 'review'. Nominations must be in from clubs before September the 3rd for the manager's post.
There was some ruptions alright. The mayo news have the Gossip
Nominations sought for manager's job
MAYO COUNTY BOARD MEETING
Daniel Carey
Castlebar
ANYONE interested in becoming the next Mayo senior football manager must apply before August 20, Chairman James Waldron told last Thursday's meeting of Mayo GAA Board.
Announcing the closing date for nominations, The Neale clubman said all proposals from clubs "must be accompanied by a letter" from the person interested in the job. A committee to appoint the next manager will then be set up in accordance with criteria suggested by GAA Headquarters.
Waldron agreed with a Ballaghaderreen delegate who suggested that prospective managers "should outline their vision" for Mayo football. Secretary Seán Feeney added that members of the Board "may also nominate" candidates provided their application includes such a vision. Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) suggested that the next manager should come "from within the county".
Responding to a question from John Farragher (Garrymore), the Chairman said that rumours of payments to Mickey Moran and John Morrison at the time of their departures in 2006 were "pure melodeon". JP Lambe added that there were "no underhand payments to anyone" during his time as Treasurer.
Review goes back to clubs
CLUBS have been told to discuss the state of football in Mayo and bring proposals to a meeting of their local divisional board to be held by September 6. That was the outcome of a lengthy and sometimes meandering discussion at last week's County Board meeting on the review of Mayo football.
The review, proposed after the senior inter-county team's shock defeat by Longford, will "go back to the clubs" and be discussed at divisional board level before a "strategy to go forward" is compiled, Chairman James Waldron told the meeting. "Go back, talk to your clubs, make submissions, and we'll get committees in place," advised The Neale clubman.
The Executive, County Board, Bord na nÓg, the club structure, divisional boards and the progression from minor to under-21 to senior level should all be examined, said Waldron, who noted: "We have to look at everything".
The early part of the debate centred on underage football before one delegate focused on the adult scene, saying: "2010 was a disgrace from a senior football point of view ... There were lads wearing Mayo jerseys who didn't want to be there ... There's no point asking us to sell County Board tickets next February if we don't have answers."
Richard Cosgrove (Kiltane) said that after the 2006 All-Ireland final, the "lack of physicality" among Mayo players had been noted at a County Board meeting. "What did we do since then to rectify that?" he asked. James Waldron replied that all Mayo panel members were given gym programmes, and Coaching Officer Hugh Rudden said a strength and conditioning programme had been introduced for under-17s.
Aidan Brennan (Claremorris) said the County Board has become "totally ineffectual" and meetings were a "waste of time". Most delegates "would tell you they have no say at all," said the former County Board PRO, who added that the divisional board had become "totally irrelevant". "The main committees of this county are not working, because they're not there," said Brennan, who suggested that the Executive "doesn't want meetings"'. Chairman James Waldron said he totally resented Brennan's comments, and said the workload undertaken by members of the Executive was "unbelievable".
"Nice guys will not win Sam Maguires," said South Board Chairman Mattie Joe Connolly, who called for a change in Mayo's "whole policy from underage level" and approvingly cited Roscommon's "courage and fight".
Pat McManamon (Burrishoole) said that Mayo were "not within shooting distance of Sam Maguire", and that the tone of the meeting suggested that "reality has finally dawned". Mayo were not in the top eight or top 12, he said, but were "a little better than the bottom five".
Amanda Doherty (Kilmaine) commented on the "huge division" in the County Board and said she hadn't "a notion" of being able to sell 60 or 70 Development Draw tickets next year. That point was echoed by Mattie Murphy (Shrule/Glencorrib), who mentioned the fine imposed on his club for not playing the O'Mara Cup final and mused: "If I went to sell County Board tickets in Shrule, I'd be shot going in the gate!"
Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) said that he had "never heard such an air of negativity" at a County Board meeting before. "We're not Kilkenny footballers," he said. "We're a proud football county."
Review of Coaching and Games
BILLY McNicholas said the future of Mayo Coaching and Games should involve the immediate establishment of "an independent and meaningful" Review Group to review "all coaching and games structures, systems, policies and achievements".
The group should, the Mayo GAA Games Manager said, include representatives of Mayo County Board, Mayo Coaching and Games Development Committee, past and present club managers, coaches, players and administrators, media and other invited interested parties.
Such a review would, McNicholas predicted, "enhance" the "fantastic work" going on at underage level in the county. He made the comments after giving a short presentation on the work of Mayo Coaching and Games at the beginning of last Thursday's County Board meeting.
Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) said the Mayo minor players of the last two years should be monitored now that many have gone off to college, beginning with the group who reached the 2008 All-Ireland final.
"Do we identify players at under-14 level as possible future county minors?" asked Games Promotion Officer Eugene Lavin. "That doesn't go on enough." But, he added, since 1993, 90 per cent of under-14s brought into the programme make it to minor.
Having elicited that only 15 per cent of under-14s entering the programme are able to use both feet and both hands, Mayo Bord na nÓg Chairman Mike Connelly said a "win at all costs" attitude was "a huge problem", since young players were not being taught the skills of the game.
Eugene Lavin said the "real issue" was what happened after minor level. "I don't think lack of skill was the reason we lost games this year," he added.
Over-40s competition
MAYO GAA Board will contact Croke Park "to seek restoration" of the Masters Football competition, James Waldron told last week's meeting.
A Ballaghaderreen delegate said that Mayo Over-40s captain John Pat Sheridan was "the last man I heard speak with passion" about Mayo football. Mattie Murphy (Shrule/Glencorrib) and John Farragher (Garrymore) both expressed support for reinstating the competition.
ABP decision put back
MAYO GAA Board are "still waiting" for An Bord Pleanála's decision on the controversial aspects of the McHale Park development, Chairman James Waldron told last week's meeting. A decision was due on July 28, but is not now expected until early September.
Mayo All Whites?
MAYO should change the colour of their jersey, one supporter has suggested in a letter to Seán Feeney. Enda Coyne noted that the county had enjoyed All-Ireland success in an all-white jersey, and that with the 60th anniversary of those events now upon us, Mayo should adopt "a white design with green and red trim".
PICK A NUMBER
500,000
THE amount (in euro) which one pending GAA-related claim within Mayo could amount to, according to Paddy Muldoon.
QUOTE OF THE NIGHT
"I haven't seen a good fight in a match"
Swinford delegate (and referee) Peter Geraghty bemoans the lack of passion in Mayo football
Kind of reminds of the line in the WHO song "meet the new boss same as the old boss"
Some of the characters quoted in the above piece are part of the problem not the solution, makes you want to laugh and then cry.
Nail on the head. Anybody remember Ballymagash on Hall's Pictorial Weekly?
Quote from: moysider on August 04, 2010, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: joemamas on August 04, 2010, 01:28:09 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on August 03, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2010, 03:47:44 PM
There must have been all hell breaking loose at the county board convention on Thursday night according to the Western People. Needless to say, there was no sign of any plan to put a review in place, or what they were reviewing. It's good to clear the air all the same, but something must be done soon regarding the 'review'. Nominations must be in from clubs before September the 3rd for the manager's post.
There was some ruptions alright. The mayo news have the Gossip
Nominations sought for manager's job
MAYO COUNTY BOARD MEETING
Daniel Carey
Castlebar
ANYONE interested in becoming the next Mayo senior football manager must apply before August 20, Chairman James Waldron told last Thursday's meeting of Mayo GAA Board.
Announcing the closing date for nominations, The Neale clubman said all proposals from clubs "must be accompanied by a letter" from the person interested in the job. A committee to appoint the next manager will then be set up in accordance with criteria suggested by GAA Headquarters.
Waldron agreed with a Ballaghaderreen delegate who suggested that prospective managers "should outline their vision" for Mayo football. Secretary Seán Feeney added that members of the Board "may also nominate" candidates provided their application includes such a vision. Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) suggested that the next manager should come "from within the county".
Responding to a question from John Farragher (Garrymore), the Chairman said that rumours of payments to Mickey Moran and John Morrison at the time of their departures in 2006 were "pure melodeon". JP Lambe added that there were "no underhand payments to anyone" during his time as Treasurer.
Review goes back to clubs
CLUBS have been told to discuss the state of football in Mayo and bring proposals to a meeting of their local divisional board to be held by September 6. That was the outcome of a lengthy and sometimes meandering discussion at last week's County Board meeting on the review of Mayo football.
The review, proposed after the senior inter-county team's shock defeat by Longford, will "go back to the clubs" and be discussed at divisional board level before a "strategy to go forward" is compiled, Chairman James Waldron told the meeting. "Go back, talk to your clubs, make submissions, and we'll get committees in place," advised The Neale clubman.
The Executive, County Board, Bord na nÓg, the club structure, divisional boards and the progression from minor to under-21 to senior level should all be examined, said Waldron, who noted: "We have to look at everything".
The early part of the debate centred on underage football before one delegate focused on the adult scene, saying: "2010 was a disgrace from a senior football point of view ... There were lads wearing Mayo jerseys who didn't want to be there ... There's no point asking us to sell County Board tickets next February if we don't have answers."
Richard Cosgrove (Kiltane) said that after the 2006 All-Ireland final, the "lack of physicality" among Mayo players had been noted at a County Board meeting. "What did we do since then to rectify that?" he asked. James Waldron replied that all Mayo panel members were given gym programmes, and Coaching Officer Hugh Rudden said a strength and conditioning programme had been introduced for under-17s.
Aidan Brennan (Claremorris) said the County Board has become "totally ineffectual" and meetings were a "waste of time". Most delegates "would tell you they have no say at all," said the former County Board PRO, who added that the divisional board had become "totally irrelevant". "The main committees of this county are not working, because they're not there," said Brennan, who suggested that the Executive "doesn't want meetings"'. Chairman James Waldron said he totally resented Brennan's comments, and said the workload undertaken by members of the Executive was "unbelievable".
"Nice guys will not win Sam Maguires," said South Board Chairman Mattie Joe Connolly, who called for a change in Mayo's "whole policy from underage level" and approvingly cited Roscommon's "courage and fight".
Pat McManamon (Burrishoole) said that Mayo were "not within shooting distance of Sam Maguire", and that the tone of the meeting suggested that "reality has finally dawned". Mayo were not in the top eight or top 12, he said, but were "a little better than the bottom five".
Amanda Doherty (Kilmaine) commented on the "huge division" in the County Board and said she hadn't "a notion" of being able to sell 60 or 70 Development Draw tickets next year. That point was echoed by Mattie Murphy (Shrule/Glencorrib), who mentioned the fine imposed on his club for not playing the O'Mara Cup final and mused: "If I went to sell County Board tickets in Shrule, I'd be shot going in the gate!"
Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) said that he had "never heard such an air of negativity" at a County Board meeting before. "We're not Kilkenny footballers," he said. "We're a proud football county."
Review of Coaching and Games
BILLY McNicholas said the future of Mayo Coaching and Games should involve the immediate establishment of "an independent and meaningful" Review Group to review "all coaching and games structures, systems, policies and achievements".
The group should, the Mayo GAA Games Manager said, include representatives of Mayo County Board, Mayo Coaching and Games Development Committee, past and present club managers, coaches, players and administrators, media and other invited interested parties.
Such a review would, McNicholas predicted, "enhance" the "fantastic work" going on at underage level in the county. He made the comments after giving a short presentation on the work of Mayo Coaching and Games at the beginning of last Thursday's County Board meeting.
Mick Higgins (Kiltimagh) said the Mayo minor players of the last two years should be monitored now that many have gone off to college, beginning with the group who reached the 2008 All-Ireland final.
"Do we identify players at under-14 level as possible future county minors?" asked Games Promotion Officer Eugene Lavin. "That doesn't go on enough." But, he added, since 1993, 90 per cent of under-14s brought into the programme make it to minor.
Having elicited that only 15 per cent of under-14s entering the programme are able to use both feet and both hands, Mayo Bord na nÓg Chairman Mike Connelly said a "win at all costs" attitude was "a huge problem", since young players were not being taught the skills of the game.
Eugene Lavin said the "real issue" was what happened after minor level. "I don't think lack of skill was the reason we lost games this year," he added.
Over-40s competition
MAYO GAA Board will contact Croke Park "to seek restoration" of the Masters Football competition, James Waldron told last week's meeting.
A Ballaghaderreen delegate said that Mayo Over-40s captain John Pat Sheridan was "the last man I heard speak with passion" about Mayo football. Mattie Murphy (Shrule/Glencorrib) and John Farragher (Garrymore) both expressed support for reinstating the competition.
ABP decision put back
MAYO GAA Board are "still waiting" for An Bord Pleanála's decision on the controversial aspects of the McHale Park development, Chairman James Waldron told last week's meeting. A decision was due on July 28, but is not now expected until early September.
Mayo All Whites?
MAYO should change the colour of their jersey, one supporter has suggested in a letter to Seán Feeney. Enda Coyne noted that the county had enjoyed All-Ireland success in an all-white jersey, and that with the 60th anniversary of those events now upon us, Mayo should adopt "a white design with green and red trim".
PICK A NUMBER
500,000
THE amount (in euro) which one pending GAA-related claim within Mayo could amount to, according to Paddy Muldoon.
QUOTE OF THE NIGHT
"I haven't seen a good fight in a match"
Swinford delegate (and referee) Peter Geraghty bemoans the lack of passion in Mayo football
Kind of reminds of the line in the WHO song "meet the new boss same as the old boss"
Some of the characters quoted in the above piece are part of the problem not the solution, makes you want to laugh and then cry.
Nail on the head. Anybody remember Ballymagash on Hall's Pictorial Weekly?
Ballymagash is right. Why will the clubs bother to nominate someone for the job when it was stated durig the meeting that the CB can also nominate their own names as well and delegates already lining up the " it must be someone from inside the county" bullshit. For once why cant it be the right man for the job and not where he is from or a nominee from the CB panel of yes men. It's a bloody joke, the set up is rotten from top to bottom. Mayo intercounty senior football is at a low ebb. The men of '51 must be proud of how their legacy is been handled. Shame on all involved.
I have said it on here before, but the only thing required to be a Mayo manager is that you must be a Fine Gael supporter.....That leaves Noel Connelly, John Maughan etc as the type of candidates that will be considered. There is so much politics involved in Mayo GAA that it is a joke.
You can put your house on Connelly if he wants the job which will be a disaster from what I have heard from players who have played under him at under 21 level.
Was talking to a Mwr man who claims the Tanned One is front runner ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2010, 05:12:21 PM
Was talking to a Mwr man who claims the Tanned One is front runner ;D
Would that be Sir John or Lord Liam?
The one and only media star himself JM .
He couldnt do any worse than the Messiah anyway. ::)
After reading the depressing article from the Mayo News about the meeting the other night, I'm even more skeptical about this so called "review" and feel we're at risk of sinking even lower than we are at the moment. One quote I remember from Mickey Harte was about the "unity of purpose" that existed in 2003, that players, management, County board and supporters groups were all pulling in the one direction, winning Sam. Here we have a County Board in denial of having anything to do with the current situation and apparantly now also butting heads with club delegates, a senior squad that are demoralised and demotivated and supporters who have become disillusioned after this years performances. It is nearly the exact opposite of what Tyrone had in 2003, and, as was stated at the meeting, they way things are at the moment we are definitely not within shooting disatnce of Sam Maguire.
I'm glad that they are moving on with appointing a manager now as I believed one should be in place for the knockout rounds of the club c'ship and the trip to New York for the FBD final, and the choice of manager has become even more important than it ever was. Even if he was just to get lads motivated and organised just to deliver better performances than this season gone would be a good first step. The players involved this year have and can play better than this years performances. As the quarter finals have shown, motivation/hunger, organisation, sticking to a gameplan and workrate can count for an awful lot. If those qualities could be instilled for next year, I'd be optimistic about how far we'd go. Doubtful about an All-Ireland, but confident we could have a majorly better campaign than this year.
Another thing, the 2004 player development proposals should be dusted off and implemented now. They were a good idea then and still are. In all lkelyhood this "review" would probably recommend them anyway, so why waste time? At least it might show that the county board have an interest in developing players and a style that would stand a chance of delivering the big honours down the road.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2010, 05:25:35 PM
The one and only media star himself JM .
He couldnt do any worse than the Messiah anyway. ::)
He d be a popular enough choice from what I m hearing. Although he has annoyed a few people in recent years. At least you d know what you d get. Right enough he went down like a lead balloon in Roscommon but we had some of our best ever days with him. He wasn't perfect and probably a few daft decisions on selection cost him and us dearly in both his previous managements. Maybe the added years have made him a bit cuter in that respect. Questions would have to be asked. Would he be doing the training himself, for example.
Quote from: moysider on August 04, 2010, 05:39:52 PM
Questions would have to be asked. Would he be doing the training himself, for example.
50 laps of a ploughed field every night for 6 months ;D
God, that Mayo News article is very depressing :(
If that's the level of debate and leadership, I can't see how anything meaningful will come of this review.
Go back to the clubs, tell us what ye think and we'll form committees. Bullshit.
There is no real plan of how this review will be structured, what it's aims/purposes are, how the clubs responses will be turned into measurable targets/goals.
It looks to me like it will be a talking shop to let delgates get their frustration off their chest. Some sort of a wordy, waffly document will be put together, promises will be made to implement it, then everyone's attention will turn to the new manager and the new football year.
It's a measure of how worried people are that a friend of mine from Knockmore told me he'd like to see Maughan come back (well, he said Maughan wouldn't be the worst, which is as near as a Knockmore man could go about Maughan). It shows you though - there's blind terror out there about who'll take over next. There's serious talent coming through at minor and Under-21 - will we make the most of it or will we let it rot?
The Ballymagash meeting doesn't fill me with hope.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 04, 2010, 08:23:40 PM
It's a measure of how worried people are that a friend of mine from Knockmore told me he'd like to see Maughan come back (well, he said Maughan wouldn't be the worst, which is as near as a Knockmore man could go about Maughan). It shows you though - there's blind terror out there about who'll take over next. There's serious talent coming through at minor and Under-21 - will we make the most of it or will we let it rot?
The Ballymagash meeting doesn't fill me with hope.
I don't think there is a Knockmore man alive who would want the tanned one back after his treatment of Kevin O'Neill, Peter Butler, Kevin Staunton and Declan Sweeney when they were in their prime. They may not have been up to Tom Reilly standard but they were not far off. I remember watching Knockmore playing Crossmolina in Castlebar last year.....O'Neill beat them on his own and maybe only Maughan who was prancing on the sideline might have thought that he was not good enough. Will he have learned from previous mistakes......does a leopard change his spots.....but at least it keeps the Fine Gael boys happy in the county board.
This is only a gripe from one fan from one club, Id say that people could name a good few other players from a variety of clubs who were treated poorly by the same man.
Maybe someone could select a Mayo team of players that Maughan did not use enough of?
Holy moly, just had a scan throught this thread which covers everthing from Mick O'Dwyer to Ballymagash, from McHale Park building contracts to James Nallen as a selector, from Fine Gael and blueshirts to 1951 and 1989.....and where do we end up......... John bloody Maughan :o
I'm not anywhere near as knowledgeable as the other contributers here when it comes to Mayo football, or indeed football in general for that matter but I know over thinking when I see it and this is definitely a case of over thinking. I think Mayo people (and west of ireland people in general) think too deeply about things and this often leads to teams collapsing under the weight of expectation and pressure. In reality football is just football, you win something you have a spring in your step for a day or two and then it's back to the normal drugery. There is no need to let it take over your life and the more relaxed you are the more successfull you will be. The length and scope of this thread shows just how desperate Mayo people are for success and desperation doesn't tend to be a great ingredient for winning stufff. I expect when Mayo do eventually win the AI it will come out of nowhere....like the Dubs in 74.
Mayo would appear to have around five or six candidates at their disposal who would all be more or less equally capable of doing the job. Whoever takes the job will have two big problems IMHO. Firstly, how to deal with the mental scars and secondly, Mayo may have plenty of underage talent but they lack a team leader or a focal point to carry the team on to great things. No team has ever won anything without a personality in the team who guys can turn to in a moment of crisis and get the bit of inspiration to push on the extra half yard to get over the line. If the new manager can find or develop this player he will be in business.
So for what it's worth I think the managerial issue is kind of a secondary concern for Mayo at the moment. Mayo should be wondering where the Peter Canavan or Daragh O'Shea or Padraig Joyce type figure going to emerge from rather than agonising over whether the next manager will be Pat Holmes or John Maughan or Noel Connelly or Ray Dempsey or James Horan or persons unknown.
Just a thought - if Colm Coyle's hail mary garryowen had hopped into John Madden's arms in 1996 would a 'bronze' (excuse the pun!) statue of John Maughan now stand in the middle of Castlebar?
It really is a game of inches.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 04, 2010, 11:19:07 PM
Just a thought - if Colm Coyle's hail mary garryowen had hopped into John Madden's arms in 1996 would a 'bronze' (excuse the pun!) statue of John Maughan now stand in the middle of Castlebar?
It really is a game of inches.
If that ball hadn't bounced over the bar there isn't a man on or associated with that Mayo panel who would have had to buy his own porter at home for the past fourteen years. Game of inches, as you say.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 04, 2010, 11:19:07 PM
Just a thought - if Colm Coyle's hail mary garryowen had hopped into John Madden's arms in 1996 would a 'bronze' (excuse the pun!) statue of John Maughan now stand in the middle of Castlebar?
It really is a game of inches.
Here's another thought - if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Sources directly from his own court tell me that 'Mayo are nosing around Micko'
Great musings Beard!
QuoteSources directly from his own court tell me that 'Mayo are nosing around Micko'
I would be shocked if Micko was the new manager. Personally I would be totally opposed to it and i don't think any supporter here would see him as the answer.
We need somebody with a long-term plan, and committed for a number of years. There is no quick solution. This is a crucial juncture. There are very good young players that can be moulded into a successful team. Unfortunately there are no great leaders to help them over the bumps on the journey, nor are there stand-out likely superstars, more lads who will be all at a similar good level.
Of course we have to think about the county finances in paying for a stadium expansion!
Anyway for divilment I have included a poll.
Hi Barney,
Any chance you could add the names of Pete McGrath, Peter Canavan or Sean Boylan to the vote.....they all come from a winning background :) :)
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 04, 2010, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 04, 2010, 08:23:40 PM
It's a measure of how worried people are that a friend of mine from Knockmore told me he'd like to see Maughan come back (well, he said Maughan wouldn't be the worst, which is as near as a Knockmore man could go about Maughan). It shows you though - there's blind terror out there about who'll take over next. There's serious talent coming through at minor and Under-21 - will we make the most of it or will we let it rot?
The Ballymagash meeting doesn't fill me with hope.
I don't think there is a Knockmore man alive who would want the tanned one back after his treatment of Kevin O'Neill, Peter Butler, Kevin Staunton and Declan Sweeney when they were in their prime. They may not have been up to Tom Reilly standard but they were not far off. I remember watching Knockmore playing Crossmolina in Castlebar last year.....O'Neill beat them on his own and maybe only Maughan who was prancing on the sideline might have thought that he was not good enough. Will he have learned from previous mistakes......does a leopard change his spots.....but at least it keeps the Fine Gael boys happy in the county board.
This is only a gripe from one fan from one club, Id say that people could name a good few other players from a variety of clubs who were treated poorly by the same man.
Maybe someone could select a Mayo team of players that Maughan did not use enough of?
Don't think you're the only man from Knockmore GAA club to have these anti-Maughan feelings. Not going to select teams but certainly that Knockmore team of 96/97 was as good as any, unfortunately they met a great Crossmaglen team.
To be honest, whoever ends up managing Mayo will not win anything major. But he needs to see that there is a plan for the next few years and Mayo football can be pulling in the right direction once again.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 05, 2010, 12:51:36 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 04, 2010, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 04, 2010, 08:23:40 PM
It's a measure of how worried people are that a friend of mine from Knockmore told me he'd like to see Maughan come back (well, he said Maughan wouldn't be the worst, which is as near as a Knockmore man could go about Maughan). It shows you though - there's blind terror out there about who'll take over next. There's serious talent coming through at minor and Under-21 - will we make the most of it or will we let it rot?
The Ballymagash meeting doesn't fill me with hope.
I don't think there is a Knockmore man alive who would want the tanned one back after his treatment of Kevin O'Neill, Peter Butler, Kevin Staunton and Declan Sweeney when they were in their prime. They may not have been up to Tom Reilly standard but they were not far off. I remember watching Knockmore playing Crossmolina in Castlebar last year.....O'Neill beat them on his own and maybe only Maughan who was prancing on the sideline might have thought that he was not good enough. Will he have learned from previous mistakes......does a leopard change his spots.....but at least it keeps the Fine Gael boys happy in the county board.
This is only a gripe from one fan from one club, Id say that people could name a good few other players from a variety of clubs who were treated poorly by the same man.
Maybe someone could select a Mayo team of players that Maughan did not use enough of?
Don't think you're the only man from Knockmore GAA club to have these anti-Maughan feelings. Not going to select teams but certainly that Knockmore team of 96/97 was as good as any, unfortunately they met a great Crossmaglen team.
To be honest, whoever ends up managing Mayo will not win anything major. But he needs to see that there is a plan for the next few years and Mayo football can be pulling in the right direction once again.
The new guy, whoever he is, has to have his own plan too. You can't help but be impressed by what McGeeney has done with Kildare and how he has them playing. Would anyone here say that Kildare have a better pick of talent than we do? Ditto Gilroy in Dublin, he tore the house down and started with a new plan. It was a big risk and they stuttered initially but seems to be paying off now. What they both have in common is they were fairly new to management, no significant experience behind them, but both have recognised how the game has to be played nowadays and have planned, trained and selected accordingly. Out of the candidates linked with the Mayo job, are there any of them who would adopt a similar approach?
Quote from: bucko on August 05, 2010, 01:58:54 PM
Would anyone here say that Kildare have a better pick of talent than we do? Ditto Gilroy in Dublin,
Judging by this year I would have to say Yes.
Quote from: bucko on August 05, 2010, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 05, 2010, 12:51:36 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 04, 2010, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 04, 2010, 08:23:40 PM
It's a measure of how worried people are that a friend of mine from Knockmore told me he'd like to see Maughan come back (well, he said Maughan wouldn't be the worst, which is as near as a Knockmore man could go about Maughan). It shows you though - there's blind terror out there about who'll take over next. There's serious talent coming through at minor and Under-21 - will we make the most of it or will we let it rot?
The Ballymagash meeting doesn't fill me with hope.
I don't think there is a Knockmore man alive who would want the tanned one back after his treatment of Kevin O'Neill, Peter Butler, Kevin Staunton and Declan Sweeney when they were in their prime. They may not have been up to Tom Reilly standard but they were not far off. I remember watching Knockmore playing Crossmolina in Castlebar last year.....O'Neill beat them on his own and maybe only Maughan who was prancing on the sideline might have thought that he was not good enough. Will he have learned from previous mistakes......does a leopard change his spots.....but at least it keeps the Fine Gael boys happy in the county board.
This is only a gripe from one fan from one club, Id say that people could name a good few other players from a variety of clubs who were treated poorly by the same man.
Maybe someone could select a Mayo team of players that Maughan did not use enough of?
Don't think you're the only man from Knockmore GAA club to have these anti-Maughan feelings. Not going to select teams but certainly that Knockmore team of 96/97 was as good as any, unfortunately they met a great Crossmaglen team.
To be honest, whoever ends up managing Mayo will not win anything major. But he needs to see that there is a plan for the next few years and Mayo football can be pulling in the right direction once again.
The new guy, whoever he is, has to have his own plan too. You can't help but be impressed by what McGeeney has done with Kildare and how he has them playing. Would anyone here say that Kildare have a better pick of talent than we do? Ditto Gilroy in Dublin, he tore the house down and started with a new plan. It was a big risk and they stuttered initially but seems to be paying off now. What they both have in common is they were fairly new to management, no significant experience behind them, but both have recognised how the game has to be played nowadays and have planned, trained and selected accordingly. Out of the candidates linked with the Mayo job, are there any of them who would adopt a similar approach?
Spot on. Another man i was impressed with over the last couple of years is Mickey Ned o Sullivan with Limerick, limited players but no end to the drive, hunger and deisre, exactly what we are lacking.I met him at a wedding a couple of weeks ago and was overall a decent sort. I am wondering is there any appetite within clubs for a new CB before any manager is appointed, because my fear regardless who the manager is the same old shit will go on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barLaHrtvoM
Keep the faith ;)
QuoteAnother man i was impressed with over the last couple of years is Mickey Ned o Sullivan with Limerick, limited players but no end to the drive, hunger and deisre, exactly what we are lacking
Mickey Ned isn't rated in Limerick so I wouldn't recommend him for Mayo, the Limerick coach Donie Buckley is the main man in that set up.
If Mayo have any hope of reaching the promised land then I hope the six votes for David Brady were spoiled votes from non-Mayo posters having a laugh. If anyone from Mayo thinks that Brady should be the next Mayo manager they should have their head examined. By the way I think there should be a none of the above option on that poll as that's the only sensible vote.
Quote from: Zulu on August 05, 2010, 06:14:44 PM
QuoteAnother man i was impressed with over the last couple of years is Mickey Ned o Sullivan with Limerick, limited players but no end to the drive, hunger and deisre, exactly what we are lacking
Mickey Ned isn't rated in Limerick so I wouldn't recommend him for Mayo, the Limerick coach Donie Buckley is the main man in that set up.
If Mayo have any hope of reaching the promised land then I hope the six votes for David Brady were spoiled votes from non-Mayo posters having a laugh. If anyone from Mayo thinks that Brady should be the next Mayo manager they should have their head examined. By the way I think there should be a none of the above option on that poll as that's the only sensible vote.
I was thinking the same way myself.
Quote from: Hedley Lamarr on August 05, 2010, 05:38:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barLaHrtvoM
Keep the faith ;)
That was played in copper face jacks Sunday night, it made me feel a little better :-\
Was wondering about David Brady also, anyways i voted Dempsey ;)
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Hedley Lamarr on August 05, 2010, 05:38:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barLaHrtvoM
Keep the faith ;)
That was played in copper face jacks Sunday night, it made me feel a little better :-\
Was wondering about David Brady also, anyways i voted Dempsey ;)
As did i.....i feel dirty...
bit much for DB to step straight into intercounty management.
Quote from: Zulu on August 05, 2010, 06:14:44 PM
QuoteAnother man i was impressed with over the last couple of years is Mickey Ned o Sullivan with Limerick, limited players but no end to the drive, hunger and deisre, exactly what we are lacking
Mickey Ned isn't rated in Limerick so I wouldn't recommend him for Mayo, the Limerick coach Donie Buckley is the main man in that set up.
If Mayo have any hope of reaching the promised land then I hope the six votes for David Brady were spoiled votes from non-Mayo posters having a laugh. If anyone from Mayo thinks that Brady should be the next Mayo manager they should have their head examined. By the way I think there should be a none of the above option on that poll as that's the only sensible vote.
yeah can't believe db's name keeps coming up
Yeah I wouldn't be in favour of DB getting the job. I just put the names that have been mentioned in the list. I guess one of that list is going to be appointed. Could not see a Canavan or Boylan getting the job or even being considered.
Sadly with the antics of the County Board we are in a very dark place and whoever does take it on may have a poisoned chalice because the support that they will need to improve matters does not look like it will be forthcoming.
What about Liam Kearns? Or Pete McGrath?
Quote from: Barney on August 06, 2010, 09:28:28 AM
Yeah I wouldn't be in favour of DB getting the job. I just put the names that have been mentioned in the list. I guess one of that list is going to be appointed. Could not see a Canavan or Boylan getting the job or even being considered.
Sadly with the antics of the County Board we are in a very dark place and whoever does take it on may have a poisoned chalice because the support that they will need to improve matters does not look like it will be forthcoming.
Mentioned by whom Barney? Why are Tommy Lyons or David Brady more worthy of consideration than Pete McGrath? Pete's been requested twice now on this discussion - why doesn't that count?
Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2010, 04:51:02 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Hedley Lamarr on August 05, 2010, 05:38:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barLaHrtvoM
Keep the faith ;)
That was played in copper face jacks Sunday night, it made me feel a little better :-\
Was wondering about David Brady also, anyways i voted Dempsey ;)
As did i.....i feel dirty...
bit much for DB to step straight into intercounty management.
Good minds think alike.
The days of the big money imports are over ladeens so ye'll have to pick one of ye're own.
Iolar no point to get so upset!
I only included names that have declared an interest (Willie Joe, McHale), those that have refused to rule themselves out when on TV (Tommy Lyons), and those that I have seen mentioned in local media (everybody else)
For those that feel they have been disenfranchised I have now added four names - it's only a bit of craic anyhow! I would be shocked if Pete McGrath, Canavan or Boylan went next or near it, and even if they wanted it I would say there is zero chance of them being appointed but have your say and we'll close the poll on Monday.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 06, 2010, 04:51:02 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Hedley Lamarr on August 05, 2010, 05:38:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barLaHrtvoM
Keep the faith ;)
That was played in copper face jacks Sunday night, it made me feel a little better :-\
Was wondering about David Brady also, anyways i voted Dempsey ;)
As did i.....i feel dirty...
bit much for DB to step straight into intercounty management.
It would be a big Step up but he know's the under aged talent better than anyone
Why would David Brady know the under age talent better than anyone?
Quote from: Zulu on August 06, 2010, 06:27:11 PM
Why would David Brady know the under age talent better than anyone?
I meant Dempsey
Quote from: Barney on August 06, 2010, 03:47:01 PM
Iolar no point to get so upset!
I only included names that have declared an interest (Willie Joe, McHale), those that have refused to rule themselves out when on TV (Tommy Lyons), and those that I have seen mentioned in local media (everybody else)
For those that feel they have been disenfranchised I have now added four names - it's only a bit of craic anyhow! I would be shocked if Pete McGrath, Canavan or Boylan went next or near it, and even if they wanted it I would say there is zero chance of them being appointed but have your say and we'll close the poll on Monday.
Cheers Barney. I reckon it's Rossies that are voting Brady, for the laugh. I'll be made manager of Mayo sooner than Boylan. Nothing in it for him. If the Board had sense they'd pursue McGrath, but maybe he's a bit far away too. Just from being realistic about the logistics.
I voted for Maughan, myself. After him laying the seeds for the Roscommon revival earlier I couldn't not. It was yet another triumph for the great man to take a county sunk so low and to raise them so high. I know they feel bad towards him now in Ross but, many years hence, they'll realise it was a Mayoman that put them back on their feet and give him due thanks then.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 06, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: Barney on August 06, 2010, 03:47:01 PM
Iolar no point to get so upset!
I only included names that have declared an interest (Willie Joe, McHale), those that have refused to rule themselves out when on TV (Tommy Lyons), and those that I have seen mentioned in local media (everybody else)
For those that feel they have been disenfranchised I have now added four names - it's only a bit of craic anyhow! I would be shocked if Pete McGrath, Canavan or Boylan went next or near it, and even if they wanted it I would say there is zero chance of them being appointed but have your say and we'll close the poll on Monday.
Cheers Barney. I reckon it's Rossies that are voting Brady, for the laugh. I'll be made manager of Mayo sooner than Boylan. Nothing in it for him. If the Board had sense they'd pursue McGrath, but maybe he's a bit far away too. Just from being realistic about the logistics.
I voted for Maughan, myself. After him laying the seeds for the Roscommon revival earlier I couldn't not. It was yet another triumph for the great man to take a county sunk so low and to raise them so high. I know they feel bad towards him now in Ross but, many years hence, they'll realise it was a Mayoman that put them back on their feet and give him due thanks then.
Best laugh i had for years :D
P.S in reply to moysider didn't Dempsey manage all these young players
There's a mighty long list of names being mentioned alright but as Barney says, it's only a bit of craic for us and for others to pass the time. The CB probably has its own shortlist by now and may have made informal approaches to one or more individuals.
If that's the case, I think it would be foolhardy for anyone to commit himself until the review is completed and, more importantly, implemented.
Until then, no one can really say what the incoming manager's terms of reference are going to be. As club delegates and present players are to be involved and as the CB will have to show its hand and add in their own two cents' worth, it is going to be hard to predict what the eventual findings will be.
It just might happen, for instance, that the new incumbent will not have the authority to choose his own fellow-selectors or lackeys or whatever you may care to call them.
If that were to happen, it could cause some of those in the running to have second thoughts.
I don't know how long the review process is going to take and I don't really care either as long- as the present problems are identified and resolved. Then, and only then, the new manager should be appointed.
I'm reasonably upbeat about the future of Mayo football as I feel we have plenty of potentially good players available and we needn't be despondent about the short term future – if present problems are sorted out and some half-decent bucko is put in charge.
Quote from: ross4life on August 06, 2010, 10:32:29 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 06, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: Barney on August 06, 2010, 03:47:01 PM
Iolar no point to get so upset!
I only included names that have declared an interest (Willie Joe, McHale), those that have refused to rule themselves out when on TV (Tommy Lyons), and those that I have seen mentioned in local media (everybody else)
For those that feel they have been disenfranchised I have now added four names - it's only a bit of craic anyhow! I would be shocked if Pete McGrath, Canavan or Boylan went next or near it, and even if they wanted it I would say there is zero chance of them being appointed but have your say and we'll close the poll on Monday.
Cheers Barney. I reckon it's Rossies that are voting Brady, for the laugh. I'll be made manager of Mayo sooner than Boylan. Nothing in it for him. If the Board had sense they'd pursue McGrath, but maybe he's a bit far away too. Just from being realistic about the logistics.
I voted for Maughan, myself. After him laying the seeds for the Roscommon revival earlier I couldn't not. It was yet another triumph for the great man to take a county sunk so low and to raise them so high. I know they feel bad towards him now in Ross but, many years hence, they'll realise it was a Mayoman that put them back on their feet and give him due thanks then.
Best laugh i had for years :D
P.S in reply to moysider didn't Dempsey manage all these young players
Yes, he did.
Dempsey seems the obvious choice to me and i would be surprised if they looked beyond him....it works for roscommon....he knows all the players.....and is currently the U21 manager....that now or paidi O'Shea who promised an All Ireland if he was in charge............a lot of Mayo players wouldn't be familiar with the phrase "fu*ked over the sideline like a loaf of bread".....they'd certainly have a laugh though.!!!!
So John Maughan and David Brady are joint winners of our poll :P
The Kerry duo of Paidi and Micko were second.
In reality nobody seems to have a clue what they want! Much like our County Board.
QuoteThere's a mighty long list of names being mentioned alright but as Barney says, it's only a bit of craic for us and for others to pass the time. The CB probably has its own shortlist by now and may have made informal approaches to one or more individuals.
If that's the case, I think it would be foolhardy for anyone to commit himself until the review is completed and, more importantly, implemented.
Until then, no one can really say what the incoming manager's terms of reference are going to be. As club delegates and present players are to be involved and as the CB will have to show its hand and add in their own two cents' worth, it is going to be hard to predict what the eventual findings will be.
It just might happen, for instance, that the new incumbent will not have the authority to choose his own fellow-selectors or lackeys or whatever you may care to call them.
If that were to happen, it could cause some of those in the running to have second thoughts.
I don't know how long the review process is going to take and I don't really care either as long- as the present problems are identified and resolved. Then, and only then, the new manager should be appointed.
I'm reasonably upbeat about the future of Mayo football as I feel we have plenty of potentially good players available and we needn't be despondent about the short term future – if present problems are sorted out and some half-decent bucko is put in charge.
Lar, I'm suprised at you buying the County Board line.
Talking to people who were at the CB meeting it is clear there is going to be no proper review, there is going to nothing happening which affects the new manager. In fact the whole thing may just be a smokescreen to prevent somebody coming in who might want to spend some money. And that is why we are likely to stay a middle ranking county with the talent to be better not being realised.
A proper review should be carried out by an independent group, should have Terms of Reference to cover all areas of GAA from players at all levels, team structures, coaching structures, organisational structures, facilities, resources for team preparation, the position of the clubs within the County, development of permanent club competition structures etc etc etc. The benefits of a review will be felt in 5 - 10 years time if the results are worth implementing and are implemented. To prepare such a review would take the guts of 6 months so no point in holding up the appointment of a manager in my view. In fact in a proper county you could interview former managers at all levels find where things were lacking, what they liked about the set-up they were allowed to have, and what they felt got in their way.
However remember our County Board has had the same faces for 20/30 years. That will not change and this is not going to be a case of turkies voting for Christmas because we know any properly constructed review would only lead to them being criticised and reformed.
Louis Walsh would make a good Mayo manager. Add a bit of glam, hard work, team spirit, fashion,
positivity, that sort of thing. Otherwise Ernie from the Muppets.
When we are all dead there will be threads about the new Mayo manager at time x orbiting the planet for infinity.
Quote from: Barney on August 09, 2010, 04:25:13 PM
QuoteThere's a mighty long list of names being mentioned alright but as Barney says, it's only a bit of craic for us and for others to pass the time. The CB probably has its own shortlist by now and may have made informal approaches to one or more individuals.
If that's the case, I think it would be foolhardy for anyone to commit himself until the review is completed and, more importantly, implemented.
Until then, no one can really say what the incoming manager's terms of reference are going to be. As club delegates and present players are to be involved and as the CB will have to show its hand and add in their own two cents' worth, it is going to be hard to predict what the eventual findings will be.
It just might happen, for instance, that the new incumbent will not have the authority to choose his own fellow-selectors or lackeys or whatever you may care to call them.
If that were to happen, it could cause some of those in the running to have second thoughts.
I don't know how long the review process is going to take and I don't really care either as long- as the present problems are identified and resolved. Then, and only then, the new manager should be appointed.
I'm reasonably upbeat about the future of Mayo football as I feel we have plenty of potentially good players available and we needn't be despondent about the short term future – if present problems are sorted out and some half-decent bucko is put in charge.
Lar, I'm suprised at you buying the County Board line.
Talking to people who were at the CB meeting it is clear there is going to be no proper review, there is going to nothing happening which affects the new manager. In fact the whole thing may just be a smokescreen to prevent somebody coming in who might want to spend some money. And that is why we are likely to stay a middle ranking county with the talent to be better not being realised.
A proper review should be carried out by an independent group, should have Terms of Reference to cover all areas of GAA from players at all levels, team structures, coaching structures, organisational structures, facilities, resources for team preparation, the position of the clubs within the County, development of permanent club competition structures etc etc etc. The benefits of a review will be felt in 5 - 10 years time if the results are worth implementing and are implemented. To prepare such a review would take the guts of 6 months so no point in holding up the appointment of a manager in my view. In fact in a proper county you could interview former managers at all levels find where things were lacking, what they liked about the set-up they were allowed to have, and what they felt got in their way.
However remember our County Board has had the same faces for 20/30 years. That will not change and this is not going to be a case of turkies voting for Christmas because we know any properly constructed review would only lead to them being criticised and reformed.
I'm battling away on the hurling board with lads about the Cork strike and one of the points I've made is that the strike led to the clubs taking back some of the control for running the GAA from the CB. One of the problems with the GAA is that it takes a serious amount of time to run it and therefore many people aren't willing to give that and will basically let whoever is willing, a free hand regardless of their suitability for the task.
The question here is why are clubs allowing the CB a) to remain in place if they aren't up to it, b) not demanding that the CB put in place a proper independent review c) Taking the lead when it comes to running the GAA in Mayo?
Most of the Mayo lads here are very sensible posters, are you not reflective of Mayo GAA club memebers? If you are then why aren't clubs demanding more from their CB?
Quote from: seafoid on August 09, 2010, 04:48:39 PM
Louis Walsh would make a good Mayo manager. Add a bit of glam, hard work, team spirit, fashion,
positivity, that sort of thing. Otherwise Ernie from the Muppets.
When we are all dead there will be threads about the new Mayo manager at time x orbiting the planet for infinity.
shows how much you know
Ernie nor his 'Friend' bert ever appeared in the muppet show but lived on seasame Steet a much better neighbourhood
Quote from: Barney on August 09, 2010, 04:25:13 PM
Lar, I'm suprised at you buying the County Board line.
Talking to people who were at the CB meeting it is clear there is going to be no proper review, there is going to nothing happening which affects the new manager. In fact the whole thing may just be a smokescreen to prevent somebody coming in who might want to spend some money. And that is why we are likely to stay a middle ranking county with the talent to be better not being realised.
A proper review should be carried out by an independent group, should have Terms of Reference to cover all areas of GAA from players at all levels, team structures, coaching structures, organisational structures, facilities, resources for team preparation, the position of the clubs within the County, development of permanent club competition structures etc etc etc. The benefits of a review will be felt in 5 - 10 years time if the results are worth implementing and are implemented. To prepare such a review would take the guts of 6 months so no point in holding up the appointment of a manager in my view. In fact in a proper county you could interview former managers at all levels find where things were lacking, what they liked about the set-up they were allowed to have, and what they felt got in their way.
However remember our County Board has had the same faces for 20/30 years. That will not change and this is not going to be a case of turkies voting for Christmas because we know any properly constructed review would only lead to them being criticised and reformed.
Arrah, Barney, I'd buy sweet FA from that crowd- even with a thirty days money back, no quibble guarantee. ;D
But my point is that the CB has agreed to a review and it's now up to others to see that it won't be a cover my ass exercise for the gents concerned.
The clubs and the present players are to be given a chance to contribute to the review process. I'm damn sure the CB doesn't want the review to get out of hand- maybe the whole bleedy lot will be asked to 'consider their positions' a la Ivor Callely.
Sure; they don't intend to let things go that far but it's a bit like letting the genie out of the bottle, isn't it?
It's up to the clubs now to make sure their voices are heard.
Like Zulu says, there is one helluva lot of sensible, sincere posters here and I'm certain many of you are members of clubs and now should be pushing for the review to go beyond the CB's terms of reference.
Are the players en bloc going to accept that the whole process is going to be a done deal or are they going to come out and air their grievances? I should think they have much to complain about.
The CB felt compelled to call for a review; something I haven't heard of before. It's a chance for clubs and players alike to make the most of an opportunity that won't present itself again.
It seems to me that the media won't swallow the CB line either. Going by what I read in the Mayo News and The Western it was good to see that many of the hacks who had previously fallen over themselves to kiss The Messiah's butt had plenty of unflattering things to say about the general state of Mayo's football affairs.
I can't see the CB setting an easy ride from them if it attempts to pull a fast one.
In short, the review may not be what we really want but it's the best there is on offer.
Now, it's up to those who are in a position to contribute to make their feelings known.
Not sure how much substance is behind this article - lack of any quotes suggests it might be just the rumour mill, but it's a very interesting name to throw into the hat!!
Might as well add it to the list Barney. Not sure the CB could afford his expenses though, we're in even more debt than the neighbours who just got rid of Big Joe supposedly because of the costs.
From The Connaught Telegraph:
Speculation is growing that former Tyrone All-Ireland medal winner and All-Star, Peter Canavan, is interested in taking over the Mayo senior football team manager job.
Canavan, who is a frequent visitor to Mayo and has family connections in the county, is regarded as one of the greatest full forwards of all time.
The 39-year-old is among the most decorated players in the game's history, winning two All-Ireland senior football championship medals, six GAA All-Star awards, four provincial titles and two national leagues.
He also represented Ireland in the International Rules Series on several occasions.
His scoring record of 218 points is the second highest of all time in the Ulster championship and he has often been Tyrone's best performer — particularly in the 1995 All-Ireland final when he scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points — which led to claims that Tyrone was a one-man show, and that the team was too dependent on him, particularly in his early career.
His appointment as Mayo manager would be seen as a great coup and many would see him as the perfect man to resurrect the fortunes of Mayo senior football.
But it is far from clear the Mayo County Board will go outside the county to select a new manager.
At the recent county board meeting to discuss the state of football in the county it was suggested the new man to replace John O'Mahony should come within the county.
However, if a man like Peter Canavan, who has coaching experience with his club Errigal Ciaran, is prepared to take on the job I am sure the county board would get the full backing from every green and red supporter throughout the county.
Another new name being linked with the vacant post is Burrishoole's Colm McManamon, a former Mayo star.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 10, 2010, 11:34:52 AM
many would see him as the perfect man to resurrect the fortunes of Mayo senior football.
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I don't know about that?Why exactly?
Canavan won't be the next manager. I think the attention and hype that would accompany Canavan is exactly what we don't need anyway. We need a hard-working, no-nonsense manager who knows what he wants and goes about it efficiently and without a media persona to maintain:
Canavan rules himself out of Mayo manager race
EXCLUSIVE
Mike Finnerty
Tyrone legend Peter Canavan has ruled himself out of the running to be the next Mayo senior football manager.
Rumours had been circulating in recent days that the six-time All Star and TV3 GAA pundit was interested in the position vacated by John O'Mahony last month.
However, speaking exclusively to The Mayo News last night, Canavan said that he had "absolutely no interest" in managing Mayo and confirmed that he "hadn't been approached by anybody" in connection to the vacant post.
"I'm managing Errigal Chiaráin, my home club team, at the moment and that's where my commitment is," said Canavan, a two-time All-Ireland winner with Tyrone.
QuoteAnother new name being linked with the vacant post is Burrishoole's Colm McManamon, a former Mayo star.
I voted for him in MWR's poll of polls when that was doing the rounds.
Maughan rules out Mayo return
http://hoganstand.com/mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=133724
Quote from: rosnarun on August 09, 2010, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 09, 2010, 04:48:39 PM
Louis Walsh would make a good Mayo manager. Add a bit of glam, hard work, team spirit, fashion,
positivity, that sort of thing. Otherwise Ernie from the Muppets.
When we are all dead there will be threads about the new Mayo manager at time x orbiting the planet for infinity.
shows how much you know
Ernie nor his 'Friend' bert ever appeared in the muppet show but lived on seasame Steet a much better neighbourhood
Good point. It's so long ago now.
Mick O Dwyer if he wants it apparently
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2010, 01:56:33 PM
Canavan won't be the next manager. I think the attention and hype that would accompany Canavan is exactly what we don't need anyway. We need a hard-working, no-nonsense manager who knows what he wants and goes about it efficiently and without a media persona to maintain:
Canavan rules himself out of Mayo manager race
EXCLUSIVE
Mike Finnerty
Tyrone legend Peter Canavan has ruled himself out of the running to be the next Mayo senior football manager.
Rumours had been circulating in recent days that the six-time All Star and TV3 GAA pundit was interested in the position vacated by John O'Mahony last month.
However, speaking exclusively to The Mayo News last night, Canavan said that he had "absolutely no interest" in managing Mayo and confirmed that he "hadn't been approached by anybody" in connection to the vacant post.
"I'm managing Errigal Chiaráin, my home club team, at the moment and that's where my commitment is," said Canavan, a two-time All-Ireland winner with Tyrone.
Pity he isn't available. He would fit the bill you specified above as well. I dont think he has a media persona, unlike most of the pundits who air their views on tv. He calls it as he sees it and he makes sense most of the time. At least one guy voted on here does not make any sense talking about the game.
QuoteMick O Dwyer if he wants it apparently
Where did you come up with that Mayoman Dan.
I truly hope not. I don't think any right thinking Mayo fan would welcome such an appointment. I can't see any right thinking Mayo fan bar the Ole Olers thinking it would be good. Too much profile with antiquated methods and an attempt at a short term fix. Everything about that is wrong - we need a low profile but effective, locally based manager with fresh thinking who is prepared to take on a 3/4 task with some very young but talented fellas. The danger is that a near bankrupt (financially and in terms of ideas) will think short-term success may sell seats in McHale Park and bring in revenue. I don't think the money situation will be fixed that easily either!
If Micko is appointed we are in for a very prolonged and dark period.
I don't think the "denial" from John Maughan is that at all. I think he is actually a very real possibility for this number and probably the default option the County Board have in mind if all else fails. Do ye remember Noel Connelly was mentioned as his selector back in 2003/2004? He wanted to play club football but it will be an option again?
I always this model would work well in the GAA and where better to start than Mayo GAA, if results go bad the fans take the blame...
http://www.myfootballclub.co.uk/
(http://www.myfootballclub.co.uk/)
A friend of mine plays with Ballina Stephenites and he reckons the county boys told him Micko is the front runner although they could be just taking the piss
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 12, 2010, 01:57:17 PM
A friend of mine plays with Ballina Stephenites and he reckons the county boys told him Micko is the front runner although they could be just taking the piss
I just listened to The Mayo News podcast and Mike Finnerty said that he has heard from people 'in the know' that there is definitely something behind the Micko rumour - either Mcko wants the Mayo job, or people in Mayo CB want Micko.
I can't believe people in a position of power (which logically should mean there is some football knowledge there ::)) think that a 70-something year old is the answer to Mayo's problems. I used to think people constantly having a go at the co board were a bit inclined towards whinging about anything, but Christ Almighty, the past couple of years have been a complete shambles from the top down.
I cannot believe that Micko is actually doing a rumour! :o Why he thinks he could do the job is beyond me, it's not little Wicklow now, it's a county where we expect to be top of the pile and it's a poisoned chalice if you get it wrong.
Maybe the people are been given who they want afterall (not me mind you) but the ones who voted for him on MWR ::). Maybe the County board are 'listening to the fans' now. Honestly, if Micko does get the job, there's something rotten in the state of Mayo football. :-\
What can't Mayo have a reality show on the telly to choose the new manager ?
Maybe it's just come across wrong and Micko is doing the review!?
I have a theory on why Micko is in the running, if he is in the running and it's not all blather. I've no evidence for this, but it's based more on what Jeeves used call the psychology of the individual in the PG Wodehouse books.
My guess is that those members of the County Board that want Micko as manager want him because he'll run the bollix off the players over the winter. I would say that a lot of the Board think the players need to be punished for letting them down and Micko is just the boy to soften their coughs.
That's a very cynical interpretation on my part of course. But dammit, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that's what they were thinking. These aren't fellas that do big picture thinking. These are score-settlers and cough-softeners. We're doomed.
Micko would be perfect for Mayo.
What's all the anti-Micko feeling for?
Is Micko not good enough for Mayo people?
Just because the man allegedly know's his worth? Screw that - he'd give 100% and I'd say be far better option than 90% of the other names mentioned here.
He'd produce a fit focused single minded team with everyone playing for the one cause ... it's been a while since you've had that!
QuoteWhat's all the anti-Micko feeling for?
Firstly it would all be about him. Secondly next year will be the 25th anniversary of his last All-Ireland win.
I wouldn't agree with JM. IMO the most important thing Micko brought to the teams he managed recently was getting the players who probably wouldn't have played out onto the pitch. Mayo don't have the problem of the best players not making themselves available, their problems are far more complex and I think they need a football thinker and a man well versed with modern tactics rather than a cajoler.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 13, 2010, 03:05:01 PM
QuoteWhat's all the anti-Micko feeling for?
Firstly it would all be about him. Secondly next year will be the 25th anniversary of his last All-Ireland win.
The two most stupid reasons not take a manager on!
It should be about him!
He's had so many All Ireland medals he could probably give each of the backs one. If he's not the boss and it's not all about him - who will it be about? The players? losing the run of themselves?
As for his 25th Anniversary - How many did he win since????
Who else have you beating down your door that has seen an All Ireland since?
Quote from: Zulu on August 13, 2010, 03:08:42 PM
I wouldn't agree with JM. IMO the most important thing Micko brought to the teams he managed recently was getting the players who probably wouldn't have played out onto the pitch. Mayo don't have the problem of the best players not making themselves available, their problems are far more complex and I think they need a football thinker and a man well versed with modern tactics rather than a cajoler.
Disagree.
Mickey Moran and John Morrison two thinkers.
John O'Mahony isn't a slouch in that department either.
In Mayo you'd had too many men reading the map and thinking and no one driving the bus.
Mayo need to keep the message simple, get everyone playing for one cause and not for themselves.
Micko is a better option than any other name I've heard mentioned.
Is he the best manager in Ireland - no way. Is he the best manager for Mayo. Certainly.
QuoteIs he the best manager for Mayo. Certainly.
Why? What does he bring that others can't? I agree that most of the men mentioned aren't great but I don't see anything about Micko that would have me picking up the phone if I were in charge.
QuoteMickey Moran and John Morrison two thinkers.
And got them to an AI in thier only year in charge.
QuoteMayo need to keep the message simple, get everyone playing for one cause and not for themselves.
I'm not saying you need to reinvent the wheel but what does Micko know about the talent in Mayo, he doesn't strike me as the kind of manager that will evaluate the players he has and develop a style to suit them. Like I said, in Wicklow he got the best players playing and he had a few blow ins in Kildare and Laois, not to mention some excellent local playersand he managed one AI appearence between them. Not exactly a stellar record and I see nothing in his recent history to suggest he would bring Mayo any further than JOM did.
I'm not saying Micko is the best in Ireland.
He's better than anyone else mentioned.
You brought up the M&M's. Everyone knows that Brady and Co. were driving that far more than the management were, so don't try and tell me they were the reason for them getting to an AI. And they're not available so it's a mute point.
Micko turned poor counties around in Laois, Kildare and Wicklow and gave them more success than anyone else could have done, by keeping things simple and leading them. Mayo are different in that they have some decent footballers but no leadership. They, players, management and CB are like hens in a storm.
Mayo need a strong leader to refocus them and get them playing simple straightforward football.
There's no one else I've seen named better suited than Micko.
QuoteI'm not saying Micko is the best in Ireland.
He's better than anyone else mentioned.
You said that already and I agreed that the candidates mentioned aren't great but neither is Micko.
QuoteYou brought up the M&M's.
No I didn't, you did.
QuoteEveryone knows that Brady and Co. were driving that far more than the management were, so don't try and tell me they were the reason for them getting to an AI. And they're not available so it's a mute point.
I didn't hear that and I never said they should be reappointed so I don't see what their availability has to do with anything.
QuoteMicko turned poor counties around in Laois, Kildare and Wicklow and gave them more success than anyone else could have done
Laois and Kildare weren't poor counties when her took them over and had a lot of very good young players coming through, so I don't know how youi can claim he did a better job than anyone else would have done. One Leinster title with Laois considering their underage success isn't a brilliant achievement.
QuoteMayo need a strong leader to refocus them and get them playing simple straightforward football.
There's no one else I've seen named better suited than Micko.
A simplistic analysis IMO. They need far more than getting them to play simple football. Whatever that is.
Quote from: JMohan on August 13, 2010, 03:41:55 PM
I'm not saying Micko is the best in Ireland.
He's better than anyone else mentioned.
You brought up the M&M's. Everyone knows that Brady and Co. were driving that far more than the management were, so don't try and tell me they were the reason for them getting to an AI. And they're not available so it's a mute point.
Micko turned poor counties around in Laois, Kildare and Wicklow and gave them more success than anyone else could have done, by keeping things simple and leading them. Mayo are different in that they have some decent footballers but no leadership. They, players, management and CB are like hens in a storm.
Mayo need a strong leader to refocus them and get them playing simple straightforward football.
There's no one else I've seen named better suited than Micko.
We understand that you love Micko. Fair enough.
If he gets the job I'll be giving him every chance but he is not the solution to our problems in my opinion. Our players can compete with any team on any given day. They have been doing that underage and at senior for years. Our problem is putting a full season together, believing that we can do it and then actually going on and delivering.
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2010, 06:11:21 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 13, 2010, 03:41:55 PM
I'm not saying Micko is the best in Ireland.
He's better than anyone else mentioned.
You brought up the M&M's. Everyone knows that Brady and Co. were driving that far more than the management were, so don't try and tell me they were the reason for them getting to an AI. And they're not available so it's a mute point.
Micko turned poor counties around in Laois, Kildare and Wicklow and gave them more success than anyone else could have done, by keeping things simple and leading them. Mayo are different in that they have some decent footballers but no leadership. They, players, management and CB are like hens in a storm.
Mayo need a strong leader to refocus them and get them playing simple straightforward football.
There's no one else I've seen named better suited than Micko.
We understand that you love Micko. Fair enough.
If he gets the job I'll be giving him every chance but he is not the solution to our problems in my opinion. Our players can compete with any team on any given day. They have been doing that underage and at senior for years. Our problem is putting a full season together, believing that we can do it and then actually going on and delivering.
It'd be no harm to define what we mean by delivering before the fact. We reacted incorrectly to those All-Ireland defeats. We reacted as if we'd been beaten by Sligo and Longford at the start of the summer instead of being the second-best team in the country. Now that we have been beaten by Sligo and Longford at the start of the summer maybe it's time to re-evaluate. Losing an All-Ireland final doesn't mean that a year was worthless.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 13, 2010, 07:53:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2010, 06:11:21 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 13, 2010, 03:41:55 PM
I'm not saying Micko is the best in Ireland.
He's better than anyone else mentioned.
You brought up the M&M's. Everyone knows that Brady and Co. were driving that far more than the management were, so don't try and tell me they were the reason for them getting to an AI. And they're not available so it's a mute point.
Micko turned poor counties around in Laois, Kildare and Wicklow and gave them more success than anyone else could have done, by keeping things simple and leading them. Mayo are different in that they have some decent footballers but no leadership. They, players, management and CB are like hens in a storm.
Mayo need a strong leader to refocus them and get them playing simple straightforward football.
There's no one else I've seen named better suited than Micko.
We understand that you love Micko. Fair enough.
If he gets the job I'll be giving him every chance but he is not the solution to our problems in my opinion. Our players can compete with any team on any given day. They have been doing that underage and at senior for years. Our problem is putting a full season together, believing that we can do it and then actually going on and delivering.
It'd be no harm to define what we mean by delivering before the fact. We reacted incorrectly to those All-Ireland defeats. We reacted as if we'd been beaten by Sligo and Longford at the start of the summer instead of being the second-best team in the country. Now that we have been beaten by Sligo and Longford at the start of the summer maybe it's time to re-evaluate. Losing an All-Ireland final doesn't mean that a year was worthless.
a bit of sense at last.
This year was a disaster like 3 years ago when we lost to derry.
losing an AIF is a noble thing but for some of the Cowards that populate the mayo fan base they would much rather lose on a quiet saturday to lonford and 'Not be Embarrassed ' by the team losing when every one is watching
I m not happy about the anti- Micko stuff. He has nothing to prove. He was a Cody. Football has changed but the man is as vital as likes of Trappatoni or Robson was in later years. He s a fit elderly man but he's not senile. For God s sake we just threw away 4 years on a shadow of Micko and people are jittery about giving Micko one or two years. I m surprised that some people that should know better are looking for a local for a four year rebuilding process. Will we ever learn? We ve wasted 4 years listening to people bullshitting about rebuilding to give ourselves a chance of winning an AI. Instead of being competitive we ended up a laughing stock. Every year takes care of itself. The aim each year is to progress as far as possible with the best players available. You lose a ccouple and get a few new players each year and when you hit a rich seam of talent you have a team. We haven't being doing that. How many championship games won in 4 years because management couldn't pick a team for any year never mind develop a team from year to year. Was the team left in a better state than 06? As a result we 've ended up in a shit place and the guys that landed us there just walked away without having to explain the mess they created. The board that appointed them devised a ruse - a review- to take the heat off. I ve seen decades of false dawns and floundering in Mayo. Last 4 years unquestionably being the worst. After all that wastefullness I dont think an appointment of Micko would be something to whinge about. To be honest I d have him before anybody else on the list above. We ve nothing to lose now anyway. If we get a chance to appoint him and see ........ well lets see what happens. We can always give the House of Pain flagellants the platefull of mortal sins in a couple of years.
With all the money the Board have lost on McHale Park, could they afford Micko even if they wanted him?
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2010, 12:03:14 AM
I m not happy about the anti- Micko stuff. He has nothing to prove. He was a Cody. Football has changed but the man is as vital as likes of Trappatoni or Robson was in later years. He s a fit elderly man but he's not senile. For God s sake we just threw away 4 years on a shadow of Micko and people are jittery about giving Micko one or two years. I m surprised that some people that should know better are looking for a local for a four year rebuilding process. Will we ever learn? We ve wasted 4 years listening to people bullshitting about rebuilding to give ourselves a chance of winning an AI. Instead of being competitive we ended up a laughing stock. Every year takes care of itself. The aim each year is to progress as far as possible with the best players available. You lose a ccouple and get a few new players each year and when you hit a rich seam of talent you have a team. We haven't being doing that. How many championship games won in 4 years because management couldn't pick a team for any year never mind develop a team from year to year. Was the team left in a better state than 06? As a result we 've ended up in a shit place and the guys that landed us there just walked away without having to explain the mess they created. The board that appointed them devised a ruse - a review- to take the heat off. I ve seen decades of false dawns and floundering in Mayo. Last 4 years unquestionably being the worst. After all that wastefullness I dont think an appointment of Micko would be something to whinge about. To be honest I d have him before anybody else on the list above. We ve nothing to lose now anyway. If we get a chance to appoint him and see ........ well lets see what happens. We can always give the House of Pain flagellants the platefull of mortal sins in a couple of years.
I can't see what Micko would bring to the table. For the record I'm not anti-Micko and nobody can take away what the man has achieved over the years. But, like me, you questioned the conditioning techniques employed by Kilty, well I don't see how doing 25 laps of a field would be an improvement on that.
I also don't think having a guy drive to and from an outside county is what Mayo needs right now. The manager doesn't need to be local but he does need to spend a bit of time in Mayo watching club football and he does need to be tactically astute. Look what Dublin, Kildare and Down have achieved by addressing some of their tactical weaknesses and developing a clear style of play. They are all managed by young men who are well versed in the modern game and I think it is a factor in their success.
Micko would still be a fine appointment for many division 3 or 4 teams that are trying to climb the ladder a bit but IMO he has no business being involved with a top team like Mayo.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 14, 2010, 12:37:13 AM
With all the money the Board have lost on McHale Park, could they afford Micko even if they wanted him?
Not our problem. Better chance of sponsership or a sugardaddy if Micko is on board. It s all about interest and bums on seats. At the moment Mayo is a taker for sponsership but are giving nothing back. Putting money into Mayo now is waste. Nobody cares.
I don't care about McHale Park. I don't care about talk about low key rebuilding. It doesn't work. Mayo needs a manager that gets the last drop of sweat out of the team next year. You mentioned Micko running fellas hard over the winter. That might not be a bad thing.
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2010, 01:01:52 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2010, 12:03:14 AM
I m not happy about the anti- Micko stuff. He has nothing to prove. He was a Cody. Football has changed but the man is as vital as likes of Trappatoni or Robson was in later years. He s a fit elderly man but he's not senile. For God s sake we just threw away 4 years on a shadow of Micko and people are jittery about giving Micko one or two years. I m surprised that some people that should know better are looking for a local for a four year rebuilding process. Will we ever learn? We ve wasted 4 years listening to people bullshitting about rebuilding to give ourselves a chance of winning an AI. Instead of being competitive we ended up a laughing stock. Every year takes care of itself. The aim each year is to progress as far as possible with the best players available. You lose a ccouple and get a few new players each year and when you hit a rich seam of talent you have a team. We haven't being doing that. How many championship games won in 4 years because management couldn't pick a team for any year never mind develop a team from year to year. Was the team left in a better state than 06? As a result we 've ended up in a shit place and the guys that landed us there just walked away without having to explain the mess they created. The board that appointed them devised a ruse - a review- to take the heat off. I ve seen decades of false dawns and floundering in Mayo. Last 4 years unquestionably being the worst. After all that wastefullness I dont think an appointment of Micko would be something to whinge about. To be honest I d have him before anybody else on the list above. We ve nothing to lose now anyway. If we get a chance to appoint him and see ........ well lets see what happens. We can always give the House of Pain flagellants the platefull of mortal sins in a couple of years.
I can't see what Micko would bring to the table. For the record I'm not anti-Micko and nobody can take away what the man has achieved over the years. But, like me, you questioned the conditioning techniques employed by Kilty, well I don't see how doing 25 laps of a field would be an improvement on that.
I also don't think having a guy drive to and from an outside county is what Mayo needs right now. The manager doesn't need to be local but he does need to spend a bit of time in Mayo watching club football and he does need to be tactically astute. Look what Dublin, Kildare and Down have achieved by addressing some of their tactical weaknesses and developing a clear style of play. They are all managed by young men who are well versed in the modern game and I think it is a factor in their success.
Micko would still be a fine appointment for many division 3 or 4 teams that are trying to climb the ladder a bit but IMO he has no business being involved with a top team like Mayo.
We got knocked out of the championship by division 3 and 4 teams. Laps of the pitch would be better than what we have had. I suspect that there is more to Micko than just running laps. That s just an means to an end. We had nothing this year.I couldn't have imagined supporting Micko as a manager for Mayo but the alternatives are far, ar worse.
No problem with a manager not
in situ. A proper football man can pick out a player at the far end of a ten acre field. Better a man without any preconceptions.
QuoteA proper football man can pick out a player at the far end of a ten acre field.
I wouldn't agree with that Moysider. Recognizing a guy is a decent footballer is one thing but you have to look at lads a good few times and ion different situations to be sure of their capabilities. It is one thing knowing a guy can play IC but it is another thing knowing where he might be able to play and how effective he will be against the likes of Kerry.
I agree, the names mentioned don't inspire but I think Micko would be a mistake. I have no direct knowledge of the guy but he doesn't strike me as a man that will out-think the better managers and I'm not sure he could coach the younger players either.
He wouldn't be the direction I would go in but as you say the alternatives aren't great. If he got it he would probably bring back a bit excitement but I just couldn't see it working out and I don't think the players would like his style of training either.
I'd be of the same thinking as Zulu.
Yes, sure it would bring back excitement and interest in the county team which has been seriously diminished in the last 4 years but i can't help but see a Micko appointment as merely papering over the cracks for a year or two.
Mick O'Dwyer might have been an ideal appointment for Mayo 10 years ago but not now. His methods are stone age.
I don't have any feelings either way towards Micko (or Mayo for that matter).
Look at the list of candidates that you have ... not one of them is any better than Micko.
One of the biggest problems with May football is they actually think they are at a greater level than they are. Mayo have a lot of work to do and need one person to focus the mind. Some Mayo person said they are as good as anyone on there day - absolute rubbish. Look at who have beaten you over the past few years - Div 3 and 4 teams!
People think 20 laps is stone age - sure from a physical point of view, but I promise you after a winter of Micko's training and a winter of Micko's psychology you'd be left with a group of very motivated, toughened winners.
Look beyond the naivety of '20 laps'.
For every lap the man is talking to you, brain washing you, for weeks you suffer together building a toughness, never die attitude and steel that far too many Mayo teams haven't had.
There is a huge myth too about tactical cuteness. Look at Gaelic games today - how many geniuses are there? Micky Harte? Jack O'Connor? then who? Grimley ... it's a myth. Harte is good but there is a very large body of opinion that argues Harte is blessed with players who on the field adapt to what is happening. In other words, don't over estimate tactical nous.
Mayo won't go with Micko anyway. They obviously think he's below them or not good enough. But mark my words, 12 months with Micko would mean losing a few men, produce a tougher bunch of players, with one single focus and a far mentally tougher team.
Again, I could care less about either - but if I were a Mayo man after suffering some poor performances over the past 5 years I think I'd take that over the past few.
Quote from: JMohan on August 14, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
I don't have any feelings either way towards Micko (or Mayo for that matter).
Look at the list of candidates that you have ... not one of them is any better than Micko.
One of the biggest problems with May football is they actually think they are at a greater level than they are. Mayo have a lot of work to do and need one person to focus the mind. Some Mayo person said they are as good as anyone on there day - absolute rubbish. Look at who have beaten you over the past few years - Div 3 and 4 teams!
People think 20 laps is stone age - sure from a physical point of view, but I promise you after a winter of Micko's training and a winter of Micko's psychology you'd be left with a group of very motivated, toughened winners.
Look beyond the naivety of '20 laps'.
For every lap the man is talking to you, brain washing you, for weeks you suffer together building a toughness, never die attitude and steel that far too many Mayo teams haven't had.
There is a huge myth too about tactical cuteness. Look at Gaelic games today - how many geniuses are there? Micky Harte? Jack O'Connor? then who? Grimley ... it's a myth. Harte is good but there is a very large body of opinion that argues Harte is blessed with players who on the field adapt to what is happening. In other words, don't over estimate tactical nous.
Mayo won't go with Micko anyway. They obviously think he's below them or not good enough. But mark my words, 12 months with Micko would mean losing a few men, produce a tougher bunch of players, with one single focus and a far mentally tougher team.
Again, I could care less about either - but if I were a Mayo man after suffering some poor performances over the past 5 years I think I'd take that over the past few.
I said it. If it's ok by you we might choose our own manager.
Galway are division 1 and we beat them in last year's Championship but of course you don't rate anything in Connacht. Mayo beat most top teams every year in the league which is Division 1. Yea I know it's only the league but you're the one calling them division 3 & 4 teams.
BTW what Division were Down in this year?
O'Dwyer is a dinosaur and you can keep him and spare us the patronising cliched lecture about toughness and 'never say die'.
Quote from: JMohan on August 14, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
There is a huge myth too about tactical cuteness. Look at Gaelic games today - how many geniuses are there? Micky Harte? Jack O'Connor? then who? Grimley ... it's a myth. Harte is good but there is a very large body of opinion that argues Harte is blessed with players who on the field adapt to what is happening. In other words, don't over estimate tactical nous.
Waffle......and plain wrong on so many levels it's ridiculous.
Just one of what could be 2 million examples to disprove that statement would be Fergal O'Donnell getting his tactics spot on in the Connacht Final, which was the winning of the game.
Quote from: Beard on August 14, 2010, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 14, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
There is a huge myth too about tactical cuteness. Look at Gaelic games today - how many geniuses are there? Micky Harte? Jack O'Connor? then who? Grimley ... it's a myth. Harte is good but there is a very large body of opinion that argues Harte is blessed with players who on the field adapt to what is happening. In other words, don't over estimate tactical nous.
Waffle......and plain wrong on so many levels it's ridiculous.
Just one of what could be 2 million examples to disprove that statement would be Fergal O'Donnell getting his tactics spot on in the Connacht Final, which was the winning of the game.
I think that s a bit severe Beard. Ok, Ros got tactics right for the game. But what about Kevin Walsh? He was touted as a master tactician after Mayo but didn't look too hot against Ros. Sometimes managers pull strokes and they work but their success is often down to the cop of coach and players on the other side. Mayo had no cop or fight this year and made Walsh look good. How good he is remains to be seen. I think he ran out of players v Ros. The true worth of Fergal O Donnell remains to be seen as well.
I don't think there are tactical geniuses out there that always get it right, if you have the better players you will win more often than not. But there is still a degree of tactical awareness required, look at Kildare for example who looked a very well organised and well drilled team. In contrast i would say that Counihan isn't using his players as well as he should in Cork.
IMO Micko's biggest asset is his personality and while I think his enthusiasm and status can still benefit lower level teams trying to get from division 4 to 2 and would regard a championship win or two as success. I don't think he can bring a team like Mayo, who are a team that would be ranked somewhere from 4th to 12th in the country, to an AI win. Which is the only thing that a manger would be rated on.
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Beard on August 14, 2010, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 14, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
There is a huge myth too about tactical cuteness. Look at Gaelic games today - how many geniuses are there? Micky Harte? Jack O'Connor? then who? Grimley ... it's a myth. Harte is good but there is a very large body of opinion that argues Harte is blessed with players who on the field adapt to what is happening. In other words, don't over estimate tactical nous.
Waffle......and plain wrong on so many levels it's ridiculous.
Just one of what could be 2 million examples to disprove that statement would be Fergal O'Donnell getting his tactics spot on in the Connacht Final, which was the winning of the game.
I think that s a bit severe Beard. Ok, Ros got tactics right for the game. But what about Kevin Walsh? He was touted as a master tactician after Mayo but didn't look too hot against Ros. Sometimes managers pull strokes and they work but their success is often down to the cop of coach and players on the other side. Mayo had no cop or fight this year and made Walsh look good. How good he is remains to be seen. I think he ran out of players v Ros. The true worth of Fergal O Donnell remains to be seen as well.
I'd certainly agree with all that, moysider. Fergie O'Donnell certainly played his cards well in the Connacht final but the extent to which the Ros victory can be put down to his tactical ability is debatable. It can fairly be argued that it was a case of Sligo losing the game rather than the Rossies winning it.
I'm not begrudging Fergal and his lads their win in any way but they certainly had an easier route to the final than Sligo had. They had a deplorable league run so nothing much was expected of them in the championships. They won a scrappy game against Leitrim and came into the final under no pressure whatever.
For Sligo, it was a case of too many doors opening too easily before them and they took Roscommon for granted. But if you compare their respective achievements over league and championships, you'd have to give Walsh the nod over O'Donnell.
For my money, Mickey Harte is a tactical genius.
His deployment of Peter Canavan in the 2005 final won the AI for Tyrone and I have yet to hear a dissenting voice from any quarter. For that alone he earns my five star rating.
With regard to managers pulling strokes and being aided and abetted by their opposite number's lack of cop, you need to look no further than the Mayo v Galway game in '07. I wouldn't regard Peter Ford as being a tactical maestro by any means but he managed to pull a stroke from the start by moving his half forwards up into the FF spaces and completely bamboozled their markers and Johnno in the process.
By the time our bucko realised what was going on, Galway had built up an unassailable lead.
Like the case of O'Donnell v Walsh, it was probably a mixture of astuteness on the part of the winning manager allied with incompetence on the loser's side.
You can't really rate any manager on the result of a single game- there are too many variables involved.
IMO, Walsh has proved his worth; O'Donnell has still to do so.
I find it laughable that people refer to the Mayo managerial appointment as a poisoned chalice, that we've no expectation of anything but an All-Ireland. If anything it's the opposite the Mayo supporters have shown remarkable patience and restraint with some of the crap we've had to endure for the last few years, it wasn't the Mayo supporters who turfed out M&M in 2006. The majority of supporters just want the team to show up and perform with passion, that would be a good start. This portrayal particularly in the media that we're all foam at mouth cretins with Sam or nothing banners pisses me off and invariably lets those who are responsible for the mess we're in off the hook. This is a great time for someone to manage the team, we're close to the nadir,(JOM is to be lauded for delivering the dampening of expectations he promised) but we do have some good players coming through along with existing ones who just need to get their confidence back, there's some good claret in the chalice.
Quote from: Mac2 on August 15, 2010, 03:42:00 PM
I find it laughable that people refer to the Mayo managerial appointment as a poisoned chalice, that we've no expectation of anything but an All-Ireland. If anything it's the opposite the Mayo supporters have shown remarkable patience and restraint with some of the crap we've had to endure for the last few years, it wasn't the Mayo supporters who turfed out M&M in 2006. The majority of supporters just want the team to show up and perform with passion, that would be a good start. This portrayal particularly in the media that we're all foam at mouth cretins with Sam or nothing banners pisses me off and invariably lets those who are responsible for the mess we're in off the hook. This is a great time for someone to manage the team, we're close to the nadir,(JOM is to be lauded for delivering the dampening of expectations he promised) but we do have some good players coming through along with existing ones who just need to get their confidence back, there's some good claret in the chalice.
I d agree Mac2 to an extent. I have never believed in the supporters expectations nonesense. I do believe the next manager has an awful job ahead of him though - mainly staying out of the way of his employers. Remember M&M were dead men walking before their first championship because the executive didn't like the cut of their jibs. These boys like managers who do things their way. Johnno survived because he had the authority to reverse the roles and he assumed the alpha role and kept it for as long as he wished.
If the ececutive put in a patsy they can brow beat we ll just get the same ould performances. Also a homegrown choice will be viewed with great suspicion by the club delegates - and supporters for what its worth - and will come under attack at the first opportunity. As well as an experienced coach/manager we need somebody grizzled enough to to deal with the board. There are not many about that can do that.
Very little mention of James Horan as a possible candidate. Not even mentioned in the poll. He seems to have Ballintubber flying at the moment. He always seemed to talk a lot of sense when writing in the Western and was a great man on the big day during his playing days. What do the rest of ye think
Quote from: criostlinn on August 15, 2010, 08:48:57 PM
Very little mention of James Horan as a possible candidate. Not even mentioned in the poll. He seems to have Ballintubber flying at the moment. He always seemed to talk a lot of sense when writing in the Western and was a great man on the big day during his playing days. What do the rest of ye think
Should certainly be in the reckoning if interested. Colm Mac is another local that I would rate ahead of most on that poll. Y know maybe we ll get lucky and one of these may be a revelation. Certainly talked a lot of sense in the Western. Another thing in his favour as far as I m concerned is that he looked a very frustrated man at the end of his career. I reckon he saw things on the pitch that others didn't. Iremember a great run he made inside v Cork 99. He was through on goal and a goal would have sent us clear at a time when we were in top. Of course the guy on the ball didn't see him or ignored him and the chance was gone. Horan was not happy about it and rightly so. It s things like that that have cost us dearly down the years. Players without vision or radar or whatever are no good whatever other qualities they may bring.
Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2010, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 15, 2010, 08:48:57 PM
Very little mention of James Horan as a possible candidate. Not even mentioned in the poll. He seems to have Ballintubber flying at the moment. He always seemed to talk a lot of sense when writing in the Western and was a great man on the big day during his playing days. What do the rest of ye think
Certainly talked a lot of sense in the Western.
FFS so did John O'Mahony once upon a time. I don't know whether or not Horan or Colm Mc would be good choices, but anyone can sound good, especially in a bad paper.
Quote from: Beard on August 14, 2010, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 14, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
There is a huge myth too about tactical cuteness. Look at Gaelic games today - how many geniuses are there? Micky Harte? Jack O'Connor? then who? Grimley ... it's a myth. Harte is good but there is a very large body of opinion that argues Harte is blessed with players who on the field adapt to what is happening. In other words, don't over estimate tactical nous.
Waffle......and plain wrong on so many levels it's ridiculous.
Just one of what could be 2 million examples to disprove that statement would be Fergal O'Donnell getting his tactics spot on in the Connacht Final, which was the winning of the game.
Sure, there's plenty of examples of 'one off's' or some good moves, good games, but there's very few genius's out there, or guys who win games tactically on a regular basis, part from Harte and a few others.
Quote from: stephenite on August 16, 2010, 04:16:30 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2010, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 15, 2010, 08:48:57 PM
Very little mention of James Horan as a possible candidate. Not even mentioned in the poll. He seems to have Ballintubber flying at the moment. He always seemed to talk a lot of sense when writing in the Western and was a great man on the big day during his playing days. What do the rest of ye think
Certainly talked a lot of sense in the Western.
FFS so did John O'Mahony once upon a time. I don't know whether or not Horan or Colm Mc would be good choices, but anyone can sound good, especially in a bad paper.
FFS, isnt it better that he is talking sense then talking rubbish. Nobody is giving him the job on what he rights in the paper. Its just a point been made. John O'Mahoney won 2 all irelands once upon a time. Does that mean we rule out all ireland winning managers for the Mayo job aswell.
Alot of interesting comments here.
I don't think our players can compete with every team on a given team at the moment. I think a few years ago they were able to do so. The reason for that is the most incompetent managerial stint in Mayo football since Jack O'Shea but also the fact that we just don't have players of the calibre of a James Nallen, a David Brady, a Ciaran McDonald or a Kevin O'Neill any more. These were lads that on a given day could rise about the much of a muchness standard in a Mayo panel and drive a game home. That is why we were there or thereabouts when the breaks that Kildare or Down or Dublin are getting this year came in 2004 and in 2006.
Not only have we lost these players but we have fellas that are clearly troubled by the 2004 and 2006 Finals mixed in with some very young lads all of whom have had no direction since 2006.
I think today we are a midranking team with the potential to be a regular Quarter Final team, with a decent chance of a semi-final with an exceptional performance.
You do get the feeling that it will be down to luck if the decision that is made is right. I don't know whether any of the candidates that have been listed have the ferocity of desire that the job clearly needs. A desire that has them knowing every step their players take, a regular monitoring of training progress (mind even going to training will be a step up), the ability to get into the players heads, to mould a group, to develop their own style of play and to preach a calmness when the going gets tough in high Summer. Even if that desire is there they will be held back by the County Board who will create obstacles no matter how innovative this new man may be.
The likes of a James Horan, a Colm Mc, or a Noel Connelly are all risks but there may be a Mickey Harte or a Jack O'Connor amongst them. We don't know but they have been our leaders on the field in the past and should be respected. I think we are better off with some group of 3/4 of these lads than Mick O'Dwyer coming in. I know moysiders point that on any given year we should be looking to have our best team out to do the best that can possible be achieved. When our best is likely to be short without developing top-level experience and a consistent style of play, level of training etc you do need to look beyhond 2/3 years.
And then we can look at the manager all we want but how badly are the players willing to suffer to get to the top? Do they want to? How many of them are actually training away a few evenings on their own in the gym to be ready for next year or are they waiting like a crowd of sheep to be guided? Because the latter group or the fellas that will let you down, and the former set are the fellas I want playing for Mayo.
Anybody know of any actual nominations?
Quote from: stephenite on August 16, 2010, 04:16:30 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2010, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 15, 2010, 08:48:57 PM
Very little mention of James Horan as a possible candidate. Not even mentioned in the poll. He seems to have Ballintubber flying at the moment. He always seemed to talk a lot of sense when writing in the Western and was a great man on the big day during his playing days. What do the rest of ye think
Certainly talked a lot of sense in the Western.
FFS so did John O'Mahony once upon a time. I don't know whether or not Horan or Colm Mc would be good choices, but anyone can sound good, especially in a bad paper.
I don't know whether they can either. With these guys we don't have a lot to go on.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2010, 11:40:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Beard on August 14, 2010, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 14, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
There is a huge myth too about tactical cuteness. Look at Gaelic games today - how many geniuses are there? Micky Harte? Jack O'Connor? then who? Grimley ... it's a myth. Harte is good but there is a very large body of opinion that argues Harte is blessed with players who on the field adapt to what is happening. In other words, don't over estimate tactical nous.
Waffle......and plain wrong on so many levels it's ridiculous.
Just one of what could be 2 million examples to disprove that statement would be Fergal O'Donnell getting his tactics spot on in the Connacht Final, which was the winning of the game.
I think that s a bit severe Beard. Ok, Ros got tactics right for the game. But what about Kevin Walsh? He was touted as a master tactician after Mayo but didn't look too hot against Ros. Sometimes managers pull strokes and they work but their success is often down to the cop of coach and players on the other side. Mayo had no cop or fight this year and made Walsh look good. How good he is remains to be seen. I think he ran out of players v Ros. The true worth of Fergal O Donnell remains to be seen as well.
I'd certainly agree with all that, moysider. Fergie O'Donnell certainly played his cards well in the Connacht final but the extent to which the Ros victory can be put down to his tactical ability is debatable. It can fairly be argued that it was a case of Sligo losing the game rather than the Rossies winning it.
I'm not begrudging Fergal and his lads their win in any way but they certainly had an easier route to the final than Sligo had. They had a deplorable league run so nothing much was expected of them in the championships. They won a scrappy game against Leitrim and came into the final under no pressure whatever.
For Sligo, it was a case of too many doors opening too easily before them and they took Roscommon for granted. But if you compare their respective achievements over league and championships, you'd have to give Walsh the nod over O'Donnell.
For my money, Mickey Harte is a tactical genius.
His deployment of Peter Canavan in the 2005 final won the AI for Tyrone and I have yet to hear a dissenting voice from any quarter. For that alone he earns my five star rating.
With regard to managers pulling strokes and being aided and abetted by their opposite number's lack of cop, you need to look no further than the Mayo v Galway game in '07. I wouldn't regard Peter Ford as being a tactical maestro by any means but he managed to pull a stroke from the start by moving his half forwards up into the FF spaces and completely bamboozled their markers and Johnno in the process.
By the time our bucko realised what was going on, Galway had built up an unassailable lead.
Like the case of O'Donnell v Walsh, it was probably a mixture of astuteness on the part of the winning manager allied with incompetence on the loser's side.
You can't really rate any manager on the result of a single game- there are too many variables involved.
IMO, Walsh has proved his worth; O'Donnell has still to do so.
Wrong, wrong wrong, imo. He still has an awful lot to prove to me and others, to list our concerns would be to go way off topic, but you put way too much importance on our back to back promotions when there was alot of luck involved more than good management. Its looking likely there will be announcement tonight on Walsh and Sligo but jees in 2011 we will see walshs worth if he stays with us, div2 will not afford us much luck and we wil likely have to play a qtr final, semi etc... next yr in connacht as we dont play london or ny.
Quote from: Barney on August 16, 2010, 08:21:28 AM
Alot of interesting comments here.
I don't think our players can compete with every team on a given team at the moment. I think a few years ago they were able to do so. The reason for that is the most incompetent managerial stint in Mayo football since Jack O'Shea but also the fact that we just don't have players of the calibre of a James Nallen, a David Brady, a Ciaran McDonald or a Kevin O'Neill any more. These were lads that on a given day could rise about the much of a muchness standard in a Mayo panel and drive a game home. That is why we were there or thereabouts when the breaks that Kildare or Down or Dublin are getting this year came in 2004 and in 2006.
Not only have we lost these players but we have fellas that are clearly troubled by the 2004 and 2006 Finals mixed in with some very young lads all of whom have had no direction since 2006.
I think today we are a midranking team with the potential to be a regular Quarter Final team, with a decent chance of a semi-final with an exceptional performance.
You do get the feeling that it will be down to luck if the decision that is made is right. I don't know whether any of the candidates that have been listed have the ferocity of desire that the job clearly needs. A desire that has them knowing every step their players take, a regular monitoring of training progress (mind even going to training will be a step up), the ability to get into the players heads, to mould a group, to develop their own style of play and to preach a calmness when the going gets tough in high Summer. Even if that desire is there they will be held back by the County Board who will create obstacles no matter how innovative this new man may be.
The likes of a James Horan, a Colm Mc, or a Noel Connelly are all risks but there may be a Mickey Harte or a Jack O'Connor amongst them. We don't know but they have been our leaders on the field in the past and should be respected. I think we are better off with some group of 3/4 of these lads than Mick O'Dwyer coming in. I know moysiders point that on any given year we should be looking to have our best team out to do the best that can possible be achieved. When our best is likely to be short without developing top-level experience and a consistent style of play, level of training etc you do need to look beyhond 2/3 years.
And then we can look at the manager all we want but how badly are the players willing to suffer to get to the top? Do they want to? How many of them are actually training away a few evenings on their own in the gym to be ready for next year or are they waiting like a crowd of sheep to be guided? Because the latter group or the fellas that will let you down, and the former set are the fellas I want playing for Mayo.
My point Barney about putting out the best team each year is something I believe is the basis of developing a team. The silliness of the last 4 years kinda backs that up. Johnno played guys in year 1 with a view to them being experienced players in year 3/4 and would be contenders. But because they were losers they were gone by year 2. So, as predicted by those who were not listened to at the time, he didn't know what he was at. By year 4 he was still without a foundation. I dont know about the rest of ye but I m not getting any younger. Another 4 years down the Swannee would be the guts of a decade wasted. I wouldn' t trust anybody with more than 2 years initially. If the players are there and the manager knows his onions it does not take years to sort something good out. If the manager is cat he can be given all the time he wants and nothing good will come of it.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 16, 2010, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2010, 11:40:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Beard on August 14, 2010, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 14, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
There is a huge myth too about tactical cuteness. Look at Gaelic games today - how many geniuses are there? Micky Harte? Jack O'Connor? then who? Grimley ... it's a myth. Harte is good but there is a very large body of opinion that argues Harte is blessed with players who on the field adapt to what is happening. In other words, don't over estimate tactical nous.
Waffle......and plain wrong on so many levels it's ridiculous.
Just one of what could be 2 million examples to disprove that statement would be Fergal O'Donnell getting his tactics spot on in the Connacht Final, which was the winning of the game.
I think that s a bit severe Beard. Ok, Ros got tactics right for the game. But what about Kevin Walsh? He was touted as a master tactician after Mayo but didn't look too hot against Ros. Sometimes managers pull strokes and they work but their success is often down to the cop of coach and players on the other side. Mayo had no cop or fight this year and made Walsh look good. How good he is remains to be seen. I think he ran out of players v Ros. The true worth of Fergal O Donnell remains to be seen as well.
I'd certainly agree with all that, moysider. Fergie O'Donnell certainly played his cards well in the Connacht final but the extent to which the Ros victory can be put down to his tactical ability is debatable. It can fairly be argued that it was a case of Sligo losing the game rather than the Rossies winning it.
I'm not begrudging Fergal and his lads their win in any way but they certainly had an easier route to the final than Sligo had. They had a deplorable league run so nothing much was expected of them in the championships. They won a scrappy game against Leitrim and came into the final under no pressure whatever.
For Sligo, it was a case of too many doors opening too easily before them and they took Roscommon for granted. But if you compare their respective achievements over league and championships, you'd have to give Walsh the nod over O'Donnell.
For my money, Mickey Harte is a tactical genius.
His deployment of Peter Canavan in the 2005 final won the AI for Tyrone and I have yet to hear a dissenting voice from any quarter. For that alone he earns my five star rating.
With regard to managers pulling strokes and being aided and abetted by their opposite number's lack of cop, you need to look no further than the Mayo v Galway game in '07. I wouldn't regard Peter Ford as being a tactical maestro by any means but he managed to pull a stroke from the start by moving his half forwards up into the FF spaces and completely bamboozled their markers and Johnno in the process.
By the time our bucko realised what was going on, Galway had built up an unassailable lead.
Like the case of O'Donnell v Walsh, it was probably a mixture of astuteness on the part of the winning manager allied with incompetence on the loser's side.
You can't really rate any manager on the result of a single game- there are too many variables involved.
IMO, Walsh has proved his worth; O'Donnell has still to do so.
Wrong, wrong wrong, imo. He still has an awful lot to prove to me and others, to list our concerns would be to go way off topic, but you put way too much importance on our back to back promotions when there was alot of luck involved more than good management. Its looking likely there will be announcement tonight on Walsh and Sligo but jees in 2011 we will see walshs worth if he stays with us, div2 will not afford us much luck and we wil likely have to play a qtr final, semi etc... next yr in connacht as we dont play london or ny.
Without getting drawn inbto the 'how good is Walsh ' devbate which is totally irellevant, thne epic standing being given to O'Donnell's work in the Connacht final ignores the fact that with 8 minutes to go in that game, his team and his tactics had run out of road but the Sligo team hadn't the composure or self assurance to drive home the momentum they had regained. Bad decisions taken on the ball and the wrong preople on the ball in the wrong places cost them. Roscommon had a limited Plan A that got them out in front early that screwed Sligo's heads. If Sligo had even two players that could have risen above that Roscommon would be remembered as no more than brave.
FWIW, I think pretty much any manager can set a team out from the start of a game to achieve a given objective - the real tacticians to savour and niurture are the ones trhat can make game saving / winning moves during a game.
Park all of that and recognise that managing a team is about a hell of a lot more than tactical decision making - it is about coaching individuals, coaching a team (two totally different jobs), selection, man management, getting the back up right, motivation, planning, organising and also managing the offeecials and hangers on thta can get in the way. Then recognise that every team and every copunty is at a different stage and point and that even within a county, a team and the need will change over time - it's a bit of a lottery and then when you add in that the folk making the decision are often acting in reaction to something that has happened (success / failure) and that they may even have a conflict... well it's a wonder anyone ever gets it right!!
On a different note - we may as well try and win something this year - if ye have the time drop a vote for Ireland's most dedicated GAA fan - Thomas Harrison.
http://www.supervalu.ie/in_the_community/irelands_most_dedicated_gaa_fan_final_voting.724.bursarylist.html (http://www.supervalu.ie/in_the_community/irelands_most_dedicated_gaa_fan_final_voting.724.bursarylist.html)
PS: I'm not Thomas Harrison
Quote from: stephenite on August 17, 2010, 08:04:11 AM
On a different note - we may as well try and win something this year - if ye have the time drop a vote for Ireland's most dedicated GAA fan - Thomas Harrison.
http://www.supervalu.ie/in_the_community/irelands_most_dedicated_gaa_fan_final_voting.724.bursarylist.html (http://www.supervalu.ie/in_the_community/irelands_most_dedicated_gaa_fan_final_voting.724.bursarylist.html)
PS: I'm not Thomas Harrison
No problem!
Sounds like an uber dedicated fan alright. ;D
He just might be the man we're looking for to don our Bainisteor's bib.
Come to think of it, we should try and get him to go head to head with Sligonian- that would be some contest; might well go into extra time.
QuoteThe deadline for nominations for the Mayo senior manager's job is next Friday. At the moment these men would seem to be on most people's short-list of candidates.
Mike Finnerty
John Maughan
THE man who has managed Mayo for two stints already 'kicked to touch' last week when asked by this writer if he was interested in going back to complete 'the hat-trick'.
The Crossmolina manager smiled as he said, "I love being involved in football, I love being involved in Crossmolina football, and that's my focus at the moment."
It certainly wasn't a denial of any interest in the Mayo job and there is no doubt that he has the self-belief, experience and knowledge of the local club scene that will be required by the next bainisteoir.
However, whether he and the Mayo GAA Board have the ability to work together for a third time remains to be seen. But stranger things have happened.
ODDS: 6/4
Mick O'Dwyer
THE former Kerry, Kildare, Laois and Wicklow manager has made no secret of his admiration for Mayo and its footballers down through the years.
Speculation suggests that contact was made with the Waterville hotelier in recent weeks by a Mayo GAA representative. However, he has also been sounded out by a cluster of other counties, including Galway and Laois.
It remains to be seen if he is really interested, or if Mayo really want him, but the issue of travelling from Waterville to Castlebar (a round-trip of 432 miles) three times a week will be a huge factor all concerned. After all, that's a lot of mileage — and diesel!
ODDS: 3/1
James Horan
THE Ballintubber manager enjoyed a sparkling inter-county playing career, winning two All-Stars, playing in three All-Ireland finals (including a replay) and earning three Connacht senior championship medals.
He has also taken well to club management; along with Tony Duffy he masterminded the Mayo Intermediate championship win in 2007 and Ballintubber are now a formidable force in the senior ranks.
Does he want the Mayo job? Like Ray Dempsey, Horan is an ambitious coach who is sure to have his sights set on the post at some point in the future. Is the timing right though, for him, or the power-brokers?
ODDS: 4/1
Peter Ford
THE Ballinrobe native is currently in his second year as Castlebar Mitchels manager and, by all accounts, is enjoying the role.
The team are going well, through to the quarter-finals of the club championship, and he has trusted lieutenant, Tommy O'Malley, alongside him in a very experienced management set-up.
The former Sligo and Galway boss has suggested in the past that he would like to manage the Mayo senior team. However, does he still want to? Do the powers-that-be want him? Or can they convince him that they want him?
He would be a popular choice but whether or not he wants to take on one of the most-demanding GAA jobs in the country is still unclear.
ODDS: 5/1
Noel Connelly
HE is the name on everybody's lips and if a number of internet polls are to be believed, the firm favourite among the Mayo supporters to get the job. Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately!) the County Board won't make their decision based on website opinion polls.
The former Mayo captain and U-21 joint manager has been linked with the senior job from the moment that John O'Mahony resigned. However, the Hollymount clubman has made no public comment yet on whether he is interested or not.
If he was to throw his hat in the ring, he would be a hard man to stop. However, the grapevine suggests that the time might not be right just yet to take on this sort of time-consuming role.
ODDS: 6/1
Denis Kearney
THE former Charlestown and Swinford clubman was a no-nonsense defender, and forward, in his day for club and county. That same pragmatic approach has also served him well in management so far as the results (and county titles) with Curry in Sligo and Castlerea in Roscommon will testify.
As a Mayo player, Kearney won Connacht championship medals in 1985, '88 and '89 so knows exactly what it takes to succeed on the battle-field.
He may not enjoy the high-profile of some of the other contenders for the job but nobody is more passionate and driven. The word is that he wants it, but can he persuade the interview panel?
ODDS: 6/1
Ray Dempsey
THE current Mayo U-21 manager may not have captured a Connacht championship title at the first attempt last spring but it certainly wasn't for the lack of trying.
He also made quite an impression during his stint as county minor manager, winning two Connacht titles and reaching two All-Ireland finals in the space of three years.
Does he want to manage the Mayo senior team? Like any ambitious young coach in the county, the answer is probably yes. But does he want to manage them next season? Only he knows the answer. And, more importantly, would he have the support of the decision-makers?
ODDS: 10/1
A.N. Others
OF course the next Mayo senior manager could be somebody who is not among those already mentioned. Maybe there is somebody out there who has the ability, and a plan of action, that could be just what Mayo football needs.
All will be revealed in due course.
In the meantime, you could always have a flutter on the likes of former Dublin manager Tommy Lyons (10/1), Kerry legend Paidí Ó Sé (16/1), Shrule/Glencorrib gaffer Kenny Mortimer (25/1), Mid West analyst Billy Fitzpatrick (33/1) or even Steve Staunton (50/1).
ALL the novelty odds listed above are courtesy of Stagg Betting, Ballindine. They are subject to change.
Quote from: Barney on August 17, 2010, 02:00:07 PM
QuoteThe deadline for nominations for the Mayo senior manager's job is next Friday. At the moment these men would seem to be on most people's short-list of candidates.
Mike Finnerty
John Maughan
THE man who has managed Mayo for two stints already 'kicked to touch' last week when asked by this writer if he was interested in going back to complete 'the hat-trick'.
The Crossmolina manager smiled as he said, "I love being involved in football, I love being involved in Crossmolina football, and that's my focus at the moment."
It certainly wasn't a denial of any interest in the Mayo job and there is no doubt that he has the self-belief, experience and knowledge of the local club scene that will be required by the next bainisteoir.
However, whether he and the Mayo GAA Board have the ability to work together for a third time remains to be seen. But stranger things have happened.
ODDS: 6/4
Mick O'Dwyer
THE former Kerry, Kildare, Laois and Wicklow manager has made no secret of his admiration for Mayo and its footballers down through the years.
Speculation suggests that contact was made with the Waterville hotelier in recent weeks by a Mayo GAA representative. However, he has also been sounded out by a cluster of other counties, including Galway and Laois.
It remains to be seen if he is really interested, or if Mayo really want him, but the issue of travelling from Waterville to Castlebar (a round-trip of 432 miles) three times a week will be a huge factor all concerned. After all, that's a lot of mileage — and diesel!
ODDS: 3/1
James Horan
THE Ballintubber manager enjoyed a sparkling inter-county playing career, winning two All-Stars, playing in three All-Ireland finals (including a replay) and earning three Connacht senior championship medals.
He has also taken well to club management; along with Tony Duffy he masterminded the Mayo Intermediate championship win in 2007 and Ballintubber are now a formidable force in the senior ranks.
Does he want the Mayo job? Like Ray Dempsey, Horan is an ambitious coach who is sure to have his sights set on the post at some point in the future. Is the timing right though, for him, or the power-brokers?
ODDS: 4/1
Peter Ford
THE Ballinrobe native is currently in his second year as Castlebar Mitchels manager and, by all accounts, is enjoying the role.
The team are going well, through to the quarter-finals of the club championship, and he has trusted lieutenant, Tommy O'Malley, alongside him in a very experienced management set-up.
The former Sligo and Galway boss has suggested in the past that he would like to manage the Mayo senior team. However, does he still want to? Do the powers-that-be want him? Or can they convince him that they want him?
He would be a popular choice but whether or not he wants to take on one of the most-demanding GAA jobs in the country is still unclear.
ODDS: 5/1
Noel Connelly
HE is the name on everybody's lips and if a number of internet polls are to be believed, the firm favourite among the Mayo supporters to get the job. Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately!) the County Board won't make their decision based on website opinion polls.
The former Mayo captain and U-21 joint manager has been linked with the senior job from the moment that John O'Mahony resigned. However, the Hollymount clubman has made no public comment yet on whether he is interested or not.
If he was to throw his hat in the ring, he would be a hard man to stop. However, the grapevine suggests that the time might not be right just yet to take on this sort of time-consuming role.
ODDS: 6/1
Denis Kearney
THE former Charlestown and Swinford clubman was a no-nonsense defender, and forward, in his day for club and county. That same pragmatic approach has also served him well in management so far as the results (and county titles) with Curry in Sligo and Castlerea in Roscommon will testify.
As a Mayo player, Kearney won Connacht championship medals in 1985, '88 and '89 so knows exactly what it takes to succeed on the battle-field.
He may not enjoy the high-profile of some of the other contenders for the job but nobody is more passionate and driven. The word is that he wants it, but can he persuade the interview panel?
ODDS: 6/1
Ray Dempsey
THE current Mayo U-21 manager may not have captured a Connacht championship title at the first attempt last spring but it certainly wasn't for the lack of trying.
He also made quite an impression during his stint as county minor manager, winning two Connacht titles and reaching two All-Ireland finals in the space of three years.
Does he want to manage the Mayo senior team? Like any ambitious young coach in the county, the answer is probably yes. But does he want to manage them next season? Only he knows the answer. And, more importantly, would he have the support of the decision-makers?
ODDS: 10/1
A.N. Others
OF course the next Mayo senior manager could be somebody who is not among those already mentioned. Maybe there is somebody out there who has the ability, and a plan of action, that could be just what Mayo football needs.
All will be revealed in due course.
In the meantime, you could always have a flutter on the likes of former Dublin manager Tommy Lyons (10/1), Kerry legend Paidí Ó Sé (16/1), Shrule/Glencorrib gaffer Kenny Mortimer (25/1), Mid West analyst Billy Fitzpatrick (33/1) or even Steve Staunton (50/1).
ALL the novelty odds listed above are courtesy of Stagg Betting, Ballindine. They are subject to change.
Where's Davy Brady?
Denis Kearney. There's an interesting one...
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 17, 2010, 06:53:34 PM
Denis Kearney. There's an interesting one...
Surprised he has not been mentioned very much up to now. If Mayo deciide (as they should) that they want somebody from the county then he should be in the shake up.
I would suggest and old head and an up and coming younger coach or two with him, assuming they would all agree to work together.
For example Peter Ford has inter-county experience, knows the club scene and could be the man to lead a team of say Colm Mc and James Horan or possibly Noel Kennelly or Ray Dempsey (although Id leave him where he is for another year or two till his minors have gone through U-21). If people felt a north Mayo man had to be part of the management then maybe Nallen or Brady could be part of it but my preference would be the Burrishoole man and the Tubberman.
Personally I wouldn't be interested in bringing someone in who mightn't have a clue of the club or under-age scenes.
Steve Staunton (50/1).
that's a bit mean or do they know something
Don t think a North man needs to be part of the package. Neither do I think a knowledge of the club scene or underage scene is vital either. Mind you if that happened it would be a first. Funny how the outsiders got the most complete panel onboard.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 18, 2010, 11:34:25 PM
Steve Staunton (50/1).
that's a bit mean or do they know something
They know nothing. Not mean either just a bad sense of humour and a poor grasp of bookmaking practice. Scary thought now is that the board could appoint a similar gaffer. There appears to be one strong in the running.
From Hoganstand. Billy McNicholas isn't happy the coaching at underage is been blamed for the seniors failures.
QuoteMayo GAA games manager Billy McNicholas has launched a passionate defence of the coaching structures within the county.
The entire GAA landscape in Mayo was called into question after the county's senior footballers dismal championship performance this summer, crashing out of Connacht at the hands of Sligo before plummeting to defeat to Longford in the qualifiers.
Manager John O'Mahony stepped down in the immediate aftermath of the latter game while the County Board have pledged a root and branch review of the sport in the county.
But McNicholas, who has served as a coach in the Mayo development set-up since 1993 and been Games Manager of the past four years, insists that development coaching is not to blame for the shortcomings of the senior side.
In a wide-ranging interview with the Mayo News, he said, "[People were saying] things like 'What are we doing in terms of development structures?' Or, 'The players coming through aren't good enough.'
"In the last five years alone we've contested three All-Ireland minor finals ... We've won three Connacht minor championships in a row and four U-21 titles in a row. In each of those squads, 95% of the players have come through the Mayo development system. That's a huge amount."
He added, "People don't seem to be acknowledging the good work we're doing but are highlighting the negatives. They seem to be blaming the development structures for the failure of the Mayo senior team. That's totally wrong."
He might be right too you know.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2010, 06:14:21 PM
He might be right too you know.
I just took a look at the article and I'd say he is damn well right.
(http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=134139)
Whatever problem or problems we currently have at senior level, the underage system seems to be producing a steady line of talented young players. Billy Mac and the others involved can't be faulted for what goes on after that.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 19, 2010, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 19, 2010, 06:14:21 PM
He might be right too you know.
I just took a look at the article and I'd say he is damn well right.
(http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=134139)
Whatever problem or problems we currently have at senior level, the underage system seems to be producing a steady line of talented young players. Billy Mac and the others involved can't be faulted for what goes on after that.
It is an oversimplification to blame under-age structures but equally it is an oversimplification to point to loads of Connacht titles as proof of getting it right. Is the objective to produce players capable of winning minor and U-21 titles or players who go on to become top class senior players?
The big issue is why aren't more players being brought through from minor and U-21. Look at Cork's current squad, a good number of them played in the 2006 and 2007 U-21 AI Finals. I would say that Cork have successfuly brought through more players into their senior squad than we have. Too many good potential senior players seem to fall through the cracks here. Michael Conroy, Aidan Campbell, David Kilcullen are just a few examples. These guys showed promise but barely got any decent run when they were in the senior squad then were gone, whether it was their decision or management's is another issue, but was everything possible done to encourage and develop them?
The underage structures are a pile of crap. I have been teaching for years at secondary school level and in all that time I have seen the Mayo coaching staff coming in to the school on only a few occasions. I don't see too many kids getting excited about what goes on at these development squad outings. If anything it puts some kids off the idea of progressing their footballing careers as they take a knocking if they don't make the grade at under 15 level, when many will only be beginning to develop physically.
There are only a small number of the same teachers who are training teams in the schools and the help they get is minimal. Martin McGrath was the last decent coach that I have seen coming to the schools, he was enthusiastic and was ever present. From what I can see, clubs train teams for about 3-4 months. For the remainder it is down to the schools. Any teacher will tell you that the first training session in September shows up the lack of training that takes place during the summer months. Clubs need to do more at primary school level to get kids involved. Even in Knockmore which is one of the larger clubs, the amount of kids available when you get to under 14 level up is extremely small.
On a more positive note, Mr. Maughan, who is favourite to get the Mayo managers Job, will get the chance to look at Kevin O'Neill once more in action. Maughan reckons that he was not up to intercounty standard. Anyone who wants to know why he should never be allowed to manage Mayo again should come to see O'Neill V's Maughan on Saturday week. Kevin is 10 years past his prime but he will still be the best forward on show in Mchale park next week........Not good enough....we shall see ;)
If players aren't coming through it can only be a coaching failure at senior level.
Bucko names three men there. There are other fellas on the senior team who looked like Great White Hopes when they came on the panel but have regressed over the two or three years they've been in the colours. How can that be happening?
Zulu was saying on another thread that the players aren't there. Moysider was saying that a football man would know a player at the end of a ten acre field. I've the height of time for both men but I think they're both wrong.
I think you can have talent but it can be lost or not fully utilised, and I think - and this only hurler on the ditch talk - that the talent is coming through from underage but it's not being used to its best advantage.
Austin O'Malley scored eight points for St Vincents in Dublin on Saturday night. Austin gets a lot of abuse on his board, and he's had some shockers in the colours. But was that Austin's fault, or is it because Austin was being asked to do stuff he's not built for, and not asked to do stuff he is?
I don't know. It'd be nice if this Mayo review asked that sort of question, about Austin and the other lads mentioned, and how we assess a player's worth in Mayo. I won't be holding me breath though.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 19, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
The underage structures are a pile of crap. I have been teaching for years at secondary school level and in all that time I have seen the Mayo coaching staff coming in to the school on only a few occasions. I don't see too many kids getting excited about what goes on at these development squad outings. If anything it puts some kids off the idea of progressing their footballing careers as they take a knocking if they don't make the grade at under 15 level, when many will only be beginning to develop physically.
There are only a small number of the same teachers who are training teams in the schools and the help they get is minimal. Martin McGrath was the last decent coach that I have seen coming to the schools, he was enthusiastic and was ever present. From what I can see, clubs train teams for about 3-4 months. For the remainder it is down to the schools. Any teacher will tell you that the first training session in September shows up the lack of training that takes place during the summer months. Clubs need to do more at primary school level to get kids involved. Even in Knockmore which is one of the larger clubs, the amount of kids available when you get to under 14 level up is extremely small.
On a more positive note, Mr. Maughan, who is favourite to get the Mayo managers Job, will get the chance to look at Kevin O'Neill once more in action. Maughan reckons that he was not up to intercounty standard. Anyone who wants to know why he should never be allowed to manage Mayo again should come to see O'Neill V's Maughan on Saturday week. Kevin is 10 years past his prime but he will still be the best forward on show in Mchale park next week........Not good enough....we shall see ;)
It says something when Kevin O'Neill is the stand out player in the senior championship at the mo, an indicator of the lack of quality footballers in the county perhaps??? Last years club stars midfield was Jimmy Nallen and Ginger Tiernan, another example that maybe the talent just isn't coming through from the underage levels.
Saffron makes a very good point, John Casey said the same in a recent piece in the Mayo News about the amount of underage footballers packing it in at a young age in Charlestown. Kids spend 9-10 months of the year in school, the county board should be doing more to promote and assist the coaching there, especially ones where there is a lack of teachers who are enthusiastic about football (sorry if this sounds vague, am trying to put this in a way that doesn't sound sexist!!!). A primary school's local club should be having a big input to the coaching of football in the school.
As regards the next manager, from what's been posted here no-one seems sure of who should get the job. There is no stand out candidate, the bookies favourites have as many cons as pros and there doesn't seem to be any perfect solution out there who will solve all our ills. Maybe the best option is one that will just bring a level of organisation, drive and passion that doesn't seem to have been there the last few years. Who that could be I can't say.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 19, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
The underage structures are a pile of crap. I have been teaching for years at secondary school level and in all that time I have seen the Mayo coaching staff coming in to the school on only a few occasions. I don't see too many kids getting excited about what goes on at these development squad outings. If anything it puts some kids off the idea of progressing their footballing careers as they take a knocking if they don't make the grade at under 15 level, when many will only be beginning to develop physically.
There are only a small number of the same teachers who are training teams in the schools and the help they get is minimal. Martin McGrath was the last decent coach that I have seen coming to the schools, he was enthusiastic and was ever present. From what I can see, clubs train teams for about 3-4 months. For the remainder it is down to the schools. Any teacher will tell you that the first training session in September shows up the lack of training that takes place during the summer months. Clubs need to do more at primary school level to get kids involved. Even in Knockmore which is one of the larger clubs, the amount of kids available when you get to under 14 level up is extremely small.
On a more positive note, Mr. Maughan, who is favourite to get the Mayo managers Job, will get the chance to look at Kevin O'Neill once more in action. Maughan reckons that he was not up to intercounty standard. Anyone who wants to know why he should never be allowed to manage Mayo again should come to see O'Neill V's Maughan on Saturday week. Kevin is 10 years past his prime but he will still be the best forward on show in Mchale park next week........Not good enough....we shall see ;)
I am unable to see the positive note in Mr. Maughan watching Kevin O'Neill. Have I missed something ?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 19, 2010, 09:59:51 PM
Austin O'Malley scored eight points for St Vincents in Dublin on Saturday night. Austin gets a lot of abuse on his board, and he's had some shockers in the colours. But was that Austin's fault, or is it because Austin was being asked to do stuff he's not built for, and not asked to do stuff he is?
I don't know. It'd be nice if this Mayo review asked that sort of question, about Austin and the other lads mentioned, and how we assess a player's worth in Mayo. I won't be holding me breath though.
ha ha ha ha good one keep them coming
Ah lads will ye stop talking about a "review". There isn't going to be one. It was a PR stunt that was not thought out properly by the Board. They factored that Mayo fans were going to be so sick after the Longford defeat that nobody won't want to talk football and so they could shield themselves from criticism and show they were doing something. If they had been serious about it it would have been followed up very quickly or a more definite statement would have issued. Some half hearted review will take place but we will not see any radical change in how Mayo GAA is run while the same personalities remain in charge of the show. Anyhow these lads fail to see that the mess that they have made in organising things on the pitch is the reason why they are not and will not get the financial support they need for the redevelopment of McHale Park - and when you can't turn the mirror and see what is wrong with yourself you can't solve the problem.
Anyway today is D Day. Again I wonder what was the thinking behind getting candidates being nominated to submit a letter of interest to the Board? Of course you only want to speak to realistic and interested candidates but the nature of these GAA job hunts is that nobody will put their name forward to be rejected. I guess we are going to have no nominations. Is this an attempt by the Board to say - we have given the clubs a chance, they came up with nobody so we have to sort it out - and then they can hand pick their own favoured Fine Gaeler and install him to the job. Delegates at the next County Board meeting will not reject any appointment because they do not stand up the Board (as we saw in the Mayo News people spoke at the last meeting about being afraid and fearful of talking out against the Board even in such a forum) and if nobody puts their hands up they will have to rubber stamp whoever gets with mumblings of "shure who won't wan't it anyhow".
So even before we get on the pitch these are the problems that mean we are losing already.
I wonder if some kind could answer a few questions for me. Maybe I should know the answers already but I haven't taken my fist shot of strong coffee yet and that's my usual giddy up to make me my usual bright and cheery self.
What exactly are we to expect today?
Nominations are supposed to have been delivered to the CB by yesterday at latest but what happens next?
I assume we are referring to candidates that have been proposed and seconded by Mayo clubs. But there may well have been expressions of interest from individuals who may have contacted the CB directly- or who may have been approached by that august body.
Is the list of those who were nominated going to be made public? In any event, the board is under no obligation to select anyone from this list and I'd imagine some, if not all, nominees are reluctant to have their applications made public if they fail to land the job. If, say, Paidi or Big Joe or indeed any other high profile individual did approach the board and are turned down, they certainly wouldn't appreciate their interest being made known to all.
At the end of today, will we really be any wiser than we are right now?
Even if the white smoke goes up the chimney and our wait for a manager is over, is there any reason to believe that the whole exercise wasn't a scam and that the CB hadn't their man in position before the nominations began to come in?
I really hate being cynical but I'm inclined to line up with those who feel the whole process could well have been a waste of time from beginning to end.
Is Micko seriously a nominee?
I suspect Micko will be going to Limerick as has been speculated for a few weeks.
Anyhow Maughan is out of the running. Two names have been nominated.
QuoteTwo names in the hat for the senior job so far
Mayo Advertiser, August 20, 2010.
By Colm Gannon
There had been two nominations made by clubs to fill the role of Mayo senior football manager at the time that this paper went to print on Thursday evening.
"We've had two nominations in from clubs so far, but the process is still open to clubs to make nominations untill tomorrow evening and I expect that we will get more in on Friday that's the way it usually works," Mayo county board secretary Séan Feeney told the Mayo Advertiser yesterday. As to the identity of the two men who have been nominated for the job and who nominated them, Feeney said he was unable to say who they were or which clubs made the nominations. "We've got two nominees in as I said, but we have to cross check with those who were nominated that they are interested in the job. The nominations said that there would be a letter following from the nominee to say they wanted to be considered. We have to receive those yet." Feeney went on to say that he didn't expect any major movement on the situation until the end of next week at the earliest.
Maughan rules himself out
A number of names have been flying around as to who will be the man to take over the manager's job for next year, including Noel Connelly, Peter Ford, Denis Carney, Mick O'Dwyer, and two time former Mayo manager and Mayo Advertiser columnist John Maughan. Maughan told the Mayo Advertiser this week that he had been approached by a number of clubs but told them that he didn't want to be put forward for the position.
Hmmmm. Interesting that Maughan has ruled himself out like that. Must think that he s out of favour.
Just because Maughan's ruled himself out doesn't mean he won't get the job. If there's a stalemate, say, can he refuse his county's call in its hour of need? It's a long road with turning, you know.
Will any names of those in contention be released, or will there just be a coronation, does anyone know?
When the new Mayo manager has been chosen, the paper nominations are burned with with some type of chemicals to produce white smoke. This announces to the world that the conclave has selected the new Mayo Manager for 2011 ;)
Quote from: Barney on August 20, 2010, 08:07:33 AM
Ah lads will ye stop talking about a "review". There isn't going to be one. It was a PR stunt that was not thought out properly by the Board. They factored that Mayo fans were going to be so sick after the Longford defeat that nobody won't want to talk football and so they could shield themselves from criticism and show they were doing something. If they had been serious about it it would have been followed up very quickly or a more definite statement would have issued. Some half hearted review will take place but we will not see any radical change in how Mayo GAA is run while the same personalities remain in charge of the show. Anyhow these lads fail to see that the mess that they have made in organising things on the pitch is the reason why they are not and will not get the financial support they need for the redevelopment of McHale Park - and when you can't turn the mirror and see what is wrong with yourself you can't solve the problem.
Anyway today is D Day. Again I wonder what was the thinking behind getting candidates being nominated to submit a letter of interest to the Board? Of course you only want to speak to realistic and interested candidates but the nature of these GAA job hunts is that nobody will put their name forward to be rejected. I guess we are going to have no nominations. Is this an attempt by the Board to say - we have given the clubs a chance, they came up with nobody so we have to sort it out - and then they can hand pick their own favoured Fine Gaeler and install him to the job. Delegates at the next County Board meeting will not reject any appointment because they do not stand up the Board (as we saw in the Mayo News people spoke at the last meeting about being afraid and fearful of talking out against the Board even in such a forum) and if nobody puts their hands up they will have to rubber stamp whoever gets with mumblings of "shure who won't wan't it anyhow".
So even before we get on the pitch these are the problems that mean we are losing already.
what if there is just one, we could end with St patrick or some other loon
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 19, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
The underage structures are a pile of crap. I have been teaching for years at secondary school level and in all that time I have seen the Mayo coaching staff coming in to the school on only a few occasions. I don't see too many kids getting excited about what goes on at these development squad outings. If anything it puts some kids off the idea of progressing their footballing careers as they take a knocking if they don't make the grade at under 15 level, when many will only be beginning to develop physically.
There are only a small number of the same teachers who are training teams in the schools and the help they get is minimal. Martin McGrath was the last decent coach that I have seen coming to the schools, he was enthusiastic and was ever present. From what I can see, clubs train teams for about 3-4 months. For the remainder it is down to the schools. Any teacher will tell you that the first training session in September shows up the lack of training that takes place during the summer months. Clubs need to do more at primary school level to get kids involved. Even in Knockmore which is one of the larger clubs, the amount of kids available when you get to under 14 level up is extremely small.
On a more positive note, Mr. Maughan, who is favourite to get the Mayo managers Job, will get the chance to look at Kevin O'Neill once more in action. Maughan reckons that he was not up to intercounty standard. Anyone who wants to know why he should never be allowed to manage Mayo again should come to see O'Neill V's Maughan on Saturday week. Kevin is 10 years past his prime but he will still be the best forward on show in Mchale park next week........Not good enough....we shall see ;)
This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy.i have always got the impression that most knockmore posters on here would prefer 4 or 5 of their club players on the mayo team rather than winning the all ireland.the truth is constantly being twisted in an effort to suit their own agendas.does any one on here think that maughan would jeopordise an all ireland by not picking certain players. oneill,butler and staunton all played for mayo pre 1996 and we were still well beaten every year and in fact oneill would have started the 97 final but he broke his leg 3 weeks before the game.I am from south mayo and have no connection to crossmolina but enough is enough and the fact remains that john maughan put the steel back in mayo football and made us genuine all ireland contenders the years he was in charge
Quote from: mayo51 on August 20, 2010, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 19, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
The underage structures are a pile of crap. I have been teaching for years at secondary school level and in all that time I have seen the Mayo coaching staff coming in to the school on only a few occasions. I don't see too many kids getting excited about what goes on at these development squad outings. If anything it puts some kids off the idea of progressing their footballing careers as they take a knocking if they don't make the grade at under 15 level, when many will only be beginning to develop physically.
There are only a small number of the same teachers who are training teams in the schools and the help they get is minimal. Martin McGrath was the last decent coach that I have seen coming to the schools, he was enthusiastic and was ever present. From what I can see, clubs train teams for about 3-4 months. For the remainder it is down to the schools. Any teacher will tell you that the first training session in September shows up the lack of training that takes place during the summer months. Clubs need to do more at primary school level to get kids involved. Even in Knockmore which is one of the larger clubs, the amount of kids available when you get to under 14 level up is extremely small.
On a more positive note, Mr. Maughan, who is favourite to get the Mayo managers Job, will get the chance to look at Kevin O'Neill once more in action. Maughan reckons that he was not up to intercounty standard. Anyone who wants to know why he should never be allowed to manage Mayo again should come to see O'Neill V's Maughan on Saturday week. Kevin is 10 years past his prime but he will still be the best forward on show in Mchale park next week........Not good enough....we shall see ;)
This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy.i have always got the impression that most knockmore posters on here would prefer 4 or 5 of their club players on the mayo team rather than winning the all ireland.the truth is constantly being twisted in an effort to suit their own agendas.does any one on here think that maughan would jeopordise an all ireland by not picking certain players. oneill,butler and staunton all played for mayo pre 1996 and we were still well beaten every year and in fact oneill would have started the 97 final but he broke his leg 3 weeks before the game.I am from south mayo and have no connection to crossmolina but enough is enough and the fact remains that john maughan put the steel back in mayo football and made us genuine all ireland contenders the years he was in charge
I have some sympathy for that post. People do seem to forget that Kevin O Neill was crippled with injury in the mid nineties. Months after a knee operation he was still only able to run in straight lines. I know because I remember the lad that trained Knockmore telling me that at the time. But it was not just Knockmore lads. Heffernan and Ruane should have been there in those years as well as Butler. All 3 were ahead of 2 of what was already a very decent hb line. I dont know what the story was with Stanton but I dont think I ve seen a more complete midfielder in the game in Mayo. FFS I remember him kicking frees off the ground at county U21 and he was the complete package.. We have not been good with the likes of Tiernan and Stanton as well as lots of others. We go for the soft option. The difficult Campbell or the easy Austin.
Not really a criticism of Maughan but I m sure if he had to do it all again he would have done it diferently. He knows he could have won at least 2 AIs with damn all effort but a bit more savvy. God he did the hard stuff fair play to him. But I believe he went with too many soft options rather than get the warriors on board. He has to know that. a bit of lack of tactical nous letr him down too. we ve been over this ground several times. Only Liam O Neill bet Maughan s raw passion for the game in my opinion. I ll have to say that M&M really treated the lads well and got a good response. That s all she wrote.
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2010, 12:15:30 AM
Quote from: mayo51 on August 20, 2010, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 19, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
The underage structures are a pile of crap. I have been teaching for years at secondary school level and in all that time I have seen the Mayo coaching staff coming in to the school on only a few occasions. I don't see too many kids getting excited about what goes on at these development squad outings. If anything it puts some kids off the idea of progressing their footballing careers as they take a knocking if they don't make the grade at under 15 level, when many will only be beginning to develop physically.
There are only a small number of the same teachers who are training teams in the schools and the help they get is minimal. Martin McGrath was the last decent coach that I have seen coming to the schools, he was enthusiastic and was ever present. From what I can see, clubs train teams for about 3-4 months. For the remainder it is down to the schools. Any teacher will tell you that the first training session in September shows up the lack of training that takes place during the summer months. Clubs need to do more at primary school level to get kids involved. Even in Knockmore which is one of the larger clubs, the amount of kids available when you get to under 14 level up is extremely small.
On a more positive note, Mr. Maughan, who is favourite to get the Mayo managers Job, will get the chance to look at Kevin O'Neill once more in action. Maughan reckons that he was not up to intercounty standard. Anyone who wants to know why he should never be allowed to manage Mayo again should come to see O'Neill V's Maughan on Saturday week. Kevin is 10 years past his prime but he will still be the best forward on show in Mchale park next week........Not good enough....we shall see ;)
This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy.i have always got the impression that most knockmore posters on here would prefer 4 or 5 of their club players on the mayo team rather than winning the all ireland.the truth is constantly being twisted in an effort to suit their own agendas.does any one on here think that maughan would jeopordise an all ireland by not picking certain players. oneill,butler and staunton all played for mayo pre 1996 and we were still well beaten every year and in fact oneill would have started the 97 final but he broke his leg 3 weeks before the game.I am from south mayo and have no connection to crossmolina but enough is enough and the fact remains that john maughan put the steel back in mayo football and made us genuine all ireland contenders the years he was in charge
I have some sympathy for that post. People do seem to forget that Kevin O Neill was crippled with injury in the mid nineties. Months after a knee operation he was still only able to run in straight lines. I know because I remember the lad that trained Knockmore telling me that at the time. But it was not just Knockmore lads. Heffernan and Ruane should have been there in those years as well as Butler. All 3 were ahead of 2 of what was already a very decent hb line. I dont know what the story was with Stanton but I dont think I ve seen a more complete midfielder in the game in Mayo. FFS I remember him kicking frees off the ground at county U21 and he was the complete package.. We have not been good with the likes of Tiernan and Stanton as well as lots of others. We go for the soft option. The difficult Campbell or the easy Austin.
Not really a criticism of Maughan but I m sure if he had to do it all again he would have done it diferently. He knows he could have won at least 2 AIs with damn all effort but a bit more savvy. God he did the hard stuff fair play to him. But I believe he went with too many soft options rather than get the warriors on board. He has to know that. a bit of lack of tactical nous letr him down too. we ve been over this ground several times. Only Liam O Neill bet Maughan s raw passion for the game in my opinion. I ll have to say that M&M really treated the lads well and got a good response. That s all she wrote.
Let's not re-write history. Staunton was a decent county minor (only came in when Dempsey pulled out injured) average U-21 (I played against him and a great Knockmore U-21 team including Dempsey and Butler) but ffs he was hardly better than McHale, Brady, Colm Mc or Fallon? Would you pick him ahead of Heaney in 1997??
IMHO Dempsey was a far better midfielder than he was.
I don't mean to knock the lad but perspective please. Lads need to wise up here.
True, Staunton was a savage club player and the heartbeat of Knockmore for years but just not quite good enough for county level. I would consider Ruane to be in the same category.
Butler had retired due to injuries but had been brought back into the squad coming up to '97 final and should surely have been on before TR. Can't believe we're re-hashing this again........
did not mean to rehash this whole saga again but a manager has to truly pick the players he believes will do a job for him andnot be paying heed to the media or the supporters as to how he should pick his team.To me it should not matter which clubs or area the players come from as long as they can do a job.i think we go on about the players that were not selected on various teams ,a little bit to much here in mayo and it is a little bit disheartening that the one man who came closest to landing sam and pulling mayo football out of the gutter is the one who constantly gets the most critiscism and yet the fiasco of the last 4 years is usually greeted with total indifference by a lot of mayo supporters.Lets leave it at that and get back to finding out who is going to take us to the promised land? ;)
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2010, 12:15:30 AM
I have some sympathy for that post. People do seem to forget that Kevin O Neill was crippled with injury in the mid nineties. Months after a knee operation he was still only able to run in straight lines. I know because I remember the lad that trained Knockmore telling me that at the time. But it was not just Knockmore lads. Heffernan and Ruane should have been there in those years as well as Butler. All 3 were ahead of 2 of what was already a very decent hb line. I dont know what the story was with Stanton but I dont think I ve seen a more complete midfielder in the game in Mayo. FFS I remember him kicking frees off the ground at county U21 and he was the complete package.. We have not been good with the likes of Tiernan and Stanton as well as lots of others. We go for the soft option. The difficult Campbell or the easy Austin.
Not really a criticism of Maughan but I m sure if he had to do it all again he would have done it diferently. He knows he could have won at least 2 AIs with damn all effort but a bit more savvy. God he did the hard stuff fair play to him. But I believe he went with too many soft options rather than get the warriors on board. He has to know that. a bit of lack of tactical nous letr him down too. we ve been over this ground several times. Only Liam O Neill bet Maughan s raw passion for the game in my opinion. I ll have to say that M&M really treated the lads well and got a good response. That s all she wrote.
I think you are spot on here, moysider. I think both Maughan and M&M brought many positives into the Mayo setup. Maughan always had a very disciplined, fit side that played with unquestionable determination and I can't recall ever seeing any of his players refusing to show for a ball or poncing about with his hands on his hips when his opponent went past him.
Maybe it was his army background but he seemed to put discipline above personal relations. There was always some controversy with some players and himself. I can't recall his parting with Clare but he ran into problems in Fermanagh and Roscommon and in his first stint with Mayo. His second time with Mayo was somewhat different as he parted on amicable terms with players, fans and the CB but all concerned agreed that he could do no more- he had brought the side along to the best of his ability and could get no more out of them.
He had problems alright with Knockmore in the mid-90s. It was a fairly public standoff between him and the club's manager. (It was Liam O'Neill wasn't it?)
It seemed to be over his demand for first call on a players services at all times regardless of his club's need for him. This, I recall led to him calling for O'Neill to play in a meaningless league game while Knockmore wanted him badly for a championship club game. O'Neill opted to play for the club and thereafter he got la\rgely ignored by Maughan.
The Knockmore manager was to have a few very public digs at Maughan for this and Kevin told the Western that it was up to the respective managers to sort out problems of conflicting demands between themselves. He said it was most unfair to put the onus of making such decisions on the players concerned.
Coming up to the final in '96 Kevin had some injury or other butitt didn't appear to be unduly serious. He had suffered a bad leg break some years previously but was returning to form at the time. He certainly was in flying form for his club. I'd honestly say that Maughan was the only man in Mayo who rated Tom Reilly above O'Neill.
Undoubtedly, he had sweet FA tactical nous but he tried hard and got his players motivated and ready to die for the cause.
M&M brought "some Northern steel into the Mayo psyche" as Joe brolly put it. They also demanded and got better treatment for the players, similar to the situation in the North.
That led to Sean feeney going public at least twice to rear up about the costs of financing the campaign. They also lost the confidence of the senior players as the championship run progressed. This showed in the semi against Dublin and proved disastrous in the final.
I honestly don't think either Maughan or the Odd Couple had that extra bit needed to go the whole way but, dammit, they went mighty close- unlike the last incumbent who took off in high gear but headed in the opposite direction and gathered momentum as he went along!
I recall Maughan's time differently to Lar. As I recall it, there was an amicable separation in 1999 after his first stint in charge after the two All-Irelands, the breaking of the Tuam hoodoo and the come from behind 1999 Connacht Final, but 2005 was very acrimonious in my memory. I believe there was a lot of bad feeling on every side then.
Anyone have any idea who put their names forward last night?
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on August 21, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
Anyone have any idea who put their names forward last night?
There is a rumour that the only nominees were Barney and rosnarun. It will be decided by pistols at dawn. Given they are both terrible shots the contest is expected to run for some days.
Does anyone even approach the Mayo people's capacity for football debate and discussion? And this debate is not even about football but about football politics. I don't think as much as this was written in the entire press about the American election.
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2010, 02:22:36 PM
Does anyone even approach the Mayo people's capacity for football debate and discussion? And this debate is not even about football but about football politics. I don't think as much as this was written in the entire press about the American election.
What is even more disturbing is that there are people with capacity to read this stuff, who aren't even from Mayo!!
I don't read the Meath thread (usually :P)
I didn't mean to suggest it was disturbing. It's admirable (but in a slightly disturbing way, maybe).
There's a Meath thread?
I'm sure ye all know by now that Ray Dempsey has ruled himself out.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2010, 09:47:36 PM
I'm sure ye all know by now that Ray Dempsey has ruled himself out.
Didn't know that but doesn't surprise me. Think he needs a couple more cracks with the U21s. Anybody knows who was nominated?
Supposing the board only get 2 nominations with the accompaning cover letters. Do they have to go with one of those or did they give themselves a get out clause if they don't like whats in front of them? This could be good fun yet.
James Horan & Micko on thursday, not sure if any came in on friday. Good News that Dempsey ruled himself out anyway. If we could only get Donie Buckley to do the training now.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 21, 2010, 09:32:04 AM
He had problems alright with Knockmore in the mid-90s. It was a fairly public standoff between him and the club's manager. (It was Liam O'Neill wasn't it?)
No, Eamon Clarke if I recall correctly
QuoteJames Horan & Micko on thursday, not sure if any came in on friday. Good News that Dempsey ruled himself out anyway. If we could only get Donie Buckley to do the training now.
REDCOL given your history of being spot-on with insider news this has me worried.
I have no problem having a punt on a group of 3/4 Mayo players from the last 15 years as a management team. There is a risk involved in appointing Horan - it could turn out to be inspirational, I just don't know.
However as I have said for Micko - no way in hell.
Any other developments over the weekend?
Two more names added on Friday - The list now stands at:
Mick O Dwyer
James Horan
Denis Kearney
Anthony Mc Garry
County Board may add other candidates if they feel this list is not up to scratch. It looks like Micko is in the buck seat.
I can't believe this Micko thing is looking like a real possibility.
Who nominated him and has he given any indication that he wants the job?
He couldnt be nominated without a letter stating he was willing to take the job, not sure who nominated him. If I had to guess Burrishoole
Any reason why Dempsey ruled himself out? Would like to have seen him, he's a great manager.
To me it looks like Horan is the only option to go for, but we'll be the Dublin of next years championship, 14 men behind the ball.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 23, 2010, 07:20:02 PM
Any reason why Dempsey ruled himself out? Would like to have seen him, he's a great manager.
To me it looks like Horan is the only option to go for, but we'll be the Dublin of next years championship, 14 men behind the ball.
Why do you think that? Ballintubber aren't overly negative.
And to be honest, I don't think anyone would give a shite how many men we have behind the ball as long as they were actually playing to a system they all understood :P
I work with a member of the current Wicklow panel and he had nothing but positives to say about Micko. Sayin that he still wouldnt be my first choice.
QuoteTwo more names added on Friday - The list now stands at:
Mick O Dwyer
James Horan
Denis Kearney
Anthony Mc Garry
County Board may add other candidates if they feel this list is not up to scratch. It looks like Micko is in the buck seat.
Not exactly imaginative or exciting and I cannot see the County Board beavering away to find something a bit better If that is what we must chose from I would take Horan every day of the week. If that is the list though Micko will have the job and Horan will be a selector.
Has anybody met any reasonable thinking Mayo fan who would want Micko and believes that it would be good for us.
The first thing that will happen if he takes charge is that we will lose our Division 1 status. Micko doesn't rate the league. We will be competitive in the Connacht championship but will we have a repeat of his dealings on the line in Wicklow where he didn't make a substitution throughout the whole of last years championship. If we get to Croke Park (and that would be a big if!) our naive 6 backs and 6 forwards tactics will lead to annihilation, or else an embarassing defeat somewhere else along the line. No thank you.
Quote from: Barney on August 24, 2010, 08:00:15 AM
QuoteTwo more names added on Friday - The list now stands at:
Mick O Dwyer
James Horan
Denis Kearney
Anthony Mc Garry
County Board may add other candidates if they feel this list is not up to scratch. It looks like Micko is in the buck seat.
Not exactly imaginative or exciting and I cannot see the County Board beavering away to find something a bit better If that is what we must chose from I would take Horan every day of the week. If that is the list though Micko will have the job and Horan will be a selector.
Has anybody met any reasonable thinking Mayo fan who would want Micko and believes that it would be good for us.
The first thing that will happen if he takes charge is that we will lose our Division 1 status. Micko doesn't rate the league. We will be competitive in the Connacht championship but will we have a repeat of his dealings on the line in Wicklow where he didn't make a substitution throughout the whole of last years championship. If we get to Croke Park (and that would be a big if!) our naive 6 backs and 6 forwards tactics will lead to annihilation, or else an embarassing defeat somewhere else along the line. No thank you.
Surely Micko wont get it Barney?
Would'nt the obvious option be to appoint an internal manager like Horan who has an excellent player and has a decent track record as a manager ?
More importantly he would know the club scene inside out and surely he with some help could harvest the successful u-21 and minor sides of these last few seasons?
Cant believe after all the high profile losses Mayo have suffered that they'd go for a circus act like Dwyer.
there is not a chance it will be micko
1 we dont have the money to pay him his "mileage expenses"
2 refer to number one
Quote from: ildanach on August 24, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
there is not a chance it will be micko
1 we dont have the money to pay him his "mileage expenses"
2 refer to number one
I'd imagine many counties don't, but all it takes is 3 business men to decide they want him and the CB might be in a tight spot.
As Barney did say however ... it's not very 'imaginative'
little birdy told me at the weekend micko's expenses will be covered by a dublin based business man.
thats not saying hes a shoo in but money wont be the problem
The craic is only beginning it seems!!
QuoteExecutive split over the idea of Micko
Next phase begins as board meets to assess the situation
Mike Finnerty
THE name of Mick O'Dwyer was expected to feature prominently at an executive meeting of the Mayo GAA Board last night with officials believed to be divided on his suitability for the vacant Mayo senior manager position.
While the deadline passed last Friday for Mayo GAA clubs to nominate candidates, there is nothing to prevent executive officers of the County Board from nominating individuals and speculation has increased in recent days that Mick O'Dwyer's name will be proposed.
The Mayo News understands that a number of prominent Mayo GAA supporters, both inside and outside the country, have expressed a desire to see the former Kerry manager's name included as a potential successor to John O'Mahony.
However, there is believed to be significant opposition within the county to the possibility of O'Dwyer being nominated — at both executive and club level.
All Mayo GAA clubs had until last Friday to submit their nominations for the vacant position and The Mayo News understands that former Mayo footballers James Horan, Anthony McGarry and Denis Kearney were all nominated.
Former Mayo manager John Maughan is also understood to have been nominated by at least one club. However, his nomination was not accompanied by a letter from the candidate so it is unclear if the Crossmolina boss knew that his name was being submitted for consideration.
Attention will now turn to whether or not the Mayo GAA executive will follow suggested protocols for the appointment of inter-county managers which were recommended by GAA officials at Croke Park earlier this year.
These proposals include the formation of a selection committee, the establishment of a selection strategy, the drawing up of a list of suitable candidates and the subsequent shortlisting of those candidates.
It also remains to be seen if some of those who have been linked with the post in recent weeks, but who have not yet been nominated, will be sounded out. This would include the likes of Peter Ford, Noel Connelly and Ray Dempsey.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2010, 02:59:40 PM
little birdy told me at the weekend micko's expenses will be covered by a dublin based business man.
thats not saying hes a shoo in but money wont be the problem
Exactly!!! That's what always happens with Micko or a big name ... was waiting for something like that.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2010, 02:59:40 PM
little birdy told me at the weekend micko's expenses will be covered by a dublin based business man.
(http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/images/alba/p-002308-05-14a.smq)
need s to be sorted very soon now or would will begin to fester. if its not too late already
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 24, 2010, 03:28:56 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2010, 02:59:40 PM
little birdy told me at the weekend micko's expenses will be covered by a dublin based business man.
(http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/images/alba/p-002308-05-14a.smq)
Hardly when you consider he has a house in Dublin, Brussels and Castlebar to run on only 100 grand.
Quote from: REDCOL on August 23, 2010, 05:27:10 PM
Two more names added on Friday - The list now stands at:
Mick O Dwyer
James Horan
Denis Kearney
Anthony Mc Garry
County Board may add other candidates if they feel this list is not up to scratch. It looks like Micko is in the buck seat.
By any chance, would that be the same Denis Kearney who is currently manager of Castlerea St Kevins in Roscommon?
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 24, 2010, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on August 23, 2010, 05:27:10 PM
Two more names added on Friday - The list now stands at:
Mick O Dwyer
James Horan
Denis Kearney
Anthony Mc Garry
County Board may add other candidates if they feel this list is not up to scratch. It looks like Micko is in the buck seat.
By any chance, would that be the same Denis Kearney who is currently manager of Castlerea St Kevins in Roscommon?
Yes. A Carracastle man.
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on August 24, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 24, 2010, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on August 23, 2010, 05:27:10 PM
Two more names added on Friday - The list now stands at:
Mick O Dwyer
James Horan
Denis Kearney
Anthony Mc Garry
County Board may add other candidates if they feel this list is not up to scratch. It looks like Micko is in the buck seat.
By any chance, would that be the same Denis Kearney who is currently manager of Castlerea St Kevins in Roscommon?
Yes. A Carracastle man.
If he got the Mayo job, hypothetically speaking, when would he assume control?
Castlerea have a Quarter Final replay in Ros next weekend. They are probably favourites, with St.Brigid's to progress to the County Final.
Should they win the Co.Title, there will then be a Connacht Club campaign to embark on. Who knows where that would finish up.
When do Mayo want the new man in place?
Supposedly before the conclusion of the Mayo club championships, to answer your question Shrewdness.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2010, 05:43:41 PM
need s to be sorted very soon now or would will begin to fester. if its not too late already
Or else they will be 12000 pages on this
Quote from: mjg on August 24, 2010, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2010, 05:43:41 PM
need s to be sorted very soon now or would will begin to fester. if its not too late already
Or else they will be 12000 pages on this
Heh heh heh. Nice one mjg. You might be a newbie but you've got the lie of the land sussed.
I thought mention of Micko was just to wind Mayo people up but it seems some gobshites have actually nominated him. Ye would be better off with O'Mahony staying on and you know what I think of him.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 25, 2010, 11:29:43 AM
I thought mention of Micko was just to wind Mayo people up but it seems some gobshites have actually nominated him. Ye would be better off with O'Mahony staying on and you know what I think of him.
Can't believe it myself!
Is that a reflection on the standard of candidates in Mayo or interested in the Mayo job?
I heard on Today FM this morning that Maughan was in with a chance. But yesterday's WP dismissed that. I wonder will there be a third coming of John Maughan?
The Western would have no interest in Maughan coming back, given the spectacular and genuinely shameful kicking James Laffey gave him when he was going out the door in 2005. Whatever you thought of Maughan, he didn't deserve that. It takes a special type of coward to kick a man when he's down.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if he came back, actually. But God only knows what's going on behind closed doors.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 25, 2010, 02:35:00 PM
The Western would have no interest in Maughan coming back, given the spectacular and genuinely shameful kicking James Laffey gave him when he was going out the door in 2005. Whatever you thought of Maughan, he didn't deserve that. It takes a special type of coward to kick a man when he's down.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if he came back, actually. But God only knows what's going on behind closed doors.
aye he is good at that allright
We could do far worse than Maughan alright.
When are we likely to get a decision on this?
With Micko in the running how are the Mayo board gonna say no to him?...
1.Sorry your to old
2. Sorry your looking for too much expenses
3. Sorry that CV isn't good enough for us
Looks like this saga is going to rage on until 6th sep when CB meets. They will look for permission to go outside Horan/Kearney/Mc Garry i.e officially talk to Micko.
According to local radio in Mayo this morning, John Maughan is one of 5 names in the frame for the Mayo job.
They also stated that one meeting with Micko and Mayo officials has already taken place.
Quote from: REDCOL on August 25, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
Looks like this saga is going to rage on until 6th sep when CB meets. They will look for permission to go outside Horan/Kearney/Mc Garry i.e officially talk to Micko.
FFS >:(
This is beyond a joke. After the shambolic performances this year, it was decided (and agreed by everone in the county I'd imagine) that a root and branch review of football within the county was needed.
There is not a word about the review now, and our pathetic CB are trying to parachute in a 70-something year old man who lives a good 4 hour drive away. It could be called a quick fix, but I don't see what it is going to fix.
A big media circus and 'meet and greet' with plenty of handshakes, hearty laughs and photos in the paper.
Maybe I have it completely wrong, but if this goes ahead, I'll never have been as pessimistic about Mayo football. And that shouldn't be the case given the underage teams we've produced over the past 3-4 years.
Quote from: ross4life on August 25, 2010, 05:45:49 PM
With Micko in the running how are the Mayo board gonna say no to him?...
1.Sorry your to old
2. Sorry your looking for too much expenses
3. Sorry that CV isn't good enough for us
True!
Ha ha
I'm just amazed there is no other very good option there that would blow Micko out of the water!
Tubberman, i agree with you. Appointing Micko would not be a very forward thinking option.
Looking in from the outside, i think Mayo need to appoint a manager for a 2 or 3 year term.
Preferably it would be someone from within the county who would come in with an open mind, with no axe to grind against players from certain clubs etc. None of that inter club bitterness etc.
He needs to be allowed to appoint his own back room staff with no county board interference of any kind. He needs to tell the Co.Board what he will require to put all of this in place, and it is then up to them to supply it.
The next managerial appointment in Mayo must provide a 3 year plan to regenerate the Mayo Senior team's fortunes.
It would be a massive help if the new manager is someone whose name immediately commands the respect of the Mayo players, because if he can't get them to buy into his project straight away, he's beaten before he starts.In Roscommon, the players adore Fergal O'Donnell. The Mayo Co.Board need to see if there is a similar figure in Mayo interested in putting his name forward.
Micko is yesterday's man, trading on past glories. There is no way he will come to Mayo for the 3
years needed to implement a medium to long term plan.
Mayo don't need a celebrity appointment at this stage. They don't need a Joe Kernan scenario, where after a few dodgy results, they will be looking for another new manager this time next year.
Re the underage talent of the last 3-4 years, unfortunately that never guarantees anything at senior level.
Many a good minor has disappeared into the cracks between minor and under 21 and senior.
About eleven of Roscommon's 2006 All Ireland minors were togged for this years Senior Final, but that is generally regarded as an exception because many analysts will tell you that you're lucky to get 2 or 3 seniors.
Was it in 1995 that Kerry minors beat Galway, and only Mike Frank Russell from that team made a successful senior?
Watching the Mayo managerial merry go round is getting very interesting.
Lads there must be a few managers in Mayo worth taking a punt on. Considering the size of the county, the passion there is for football and the relative success of the club and underage county scene there has to be a few managers there that can do the job as well as anyone from outside. Micko would be a disaster IMO, he might well win a Connacht but he won't help get Mayo over the line against the better teams. I don't think the next manager needs to be a Mayo man but he does need to know the local club scene pretty well and he does need to be able to give the position a huge amount of time.
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2010, 06:49:44 PM
Lads there must be a few managers in Mayo worth taking a punt on. Considering the size of the county, the passion there is for football and the relative success of the club and underage county scene there has to be a few managers there that can do the job as well as anyone from outside. Micko would be a disaster IMO, he might well win a Connacht but he won't help get Mayo over the line against the better teams. I don't think the next manager needs to be a Mayo man but he does need to know the local club scene pretty well and he does need to be able to give the position a huge amount of time.
Agree with most of what you say Zulu. But if he's not a Mayo man, isn't it then highly unlikely that he would know the club scene in Mayo well.
Re Micko, there's no guarantee that he would win a Connacht title. Whilst Galway and Mayo are very unlikely to as inept next year, i expect to see very strong challenges again next year from both Sligo and Roscommon.
QuoteAgree with most of what you say Zulu. But if he's not a Mayo man, isn't it then highly unlikely that he would know the club scene in Mayo well.
Well I was just thinking that maybe a serious football man from a county close by might be more familiar with the Mayo scene than someone like Micko.
QuoteRe Micko, there's no guarantee that he would win a Connacht title.
Oh I agree Shrewdness, just saying that on the law of probability any manager could win a five team competition, especially when he has one of the bigger teams with a good recent underage record. Mayo, like Dublin this year, don't need a Connacht title, they need to close the gap between themselves and the top teams. If a Connacht title comes as well, then all the better but winning that and then being beaten comfortably by a top team will do them no good. I just think Micko might get them a bit of silverware but he won't close the gap to the big boys and would therefore be a pointless appointment.
Please god not Micko, this is not the answer to any of our problems. What has Micko done over the last 5 years except clock up "Milage" and be interviewed by the Indo and Brrrrrian Mc Carthy. This will be a disaster for our proud footballing county.
While we are all against Micko being appointed, are any of us surprised as to what these shower of gombeen hoors in the county board will do at this stage. Maybe they won't appoint him, but anything is possible with these shower in charge. I believe there was no proper debate on the review, just club delegates voicing their anger towards the top table, then the people at the top table called a halt to the proceedings thereafter. It's not good enough. I don't know how they are still getting away with it.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 24, 2010, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on August 24, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 24, 2010, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on August 23, 2010, 05:27:10 PM
Two more names added on Friday - The list now stands at:
Mick O Dwyer
James Horan
Denis Kearney
Anthony Mc Garry
County Board may add other candidates if they feel this list is not up to scratch. It looks like Micko is in the buck seat.
By any chance, would that be the same Denis Kearney who is currently manager of Castlerea St Kevins in Roscommon?
Yes. A Carracastle man.
If he got the Mayo job, hypothetically speaking, when would he assume control?
Castlerea have a Quarter Final replay in Ros next weekend. They are probably favourites, with St.Brigid's to progress to the County Final.
Should they win the Co.Title, there will then be a Connacht Club campaign to embark on. Who knows where that would finish up.
When do Mayo want the new man in place?
If that where to happen, I see no reason he couldn't do both until Castlerea got eliminated.
Outside of the county everyone seems to be saying it will be Micko, have yet to hear one inside the county to have him as first choice.
Don't know much about the club scene in Mayo in terms of possible managers but looking at it from the outside.
1) Micko would probably be a retrograde step. This would just be a circus when a low key overhaul is what is called for. This was Dublins quietist buildup in years and Gilroy took them as close to the final as they have been in 15 years.
2) According to Newstalk Maughan is the favourite with a local bookies. Is this based upon his previous spell?
Has football moved on from Maughans methods of the 1990s?
3) Talent wise you would put Mayo in the top eight in the country. Every team they seem to have a decent minor or U21 team yet players who looked good at underage level like Parsons and O'Shea have yet to break through as they promised.
If Mayo could add a bit of steel and cynicism to their team, not neccesarily the best footballers and find the right man to harness this they could be back in business next year.
Banty anyone ?
we could do worse , and he has great passion and from his interview still has the appetite just rightly did not like being messed about
betting is (paddy power)
odwyer 8/11
maughan 7/4
horan 5/1
kearmey 11/2
mcgarry 14/1
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2010, 09:46:33 PM
While we are all against Micko being appointed, are any of us surprised as to what these shower of gombeen hoors in the county board will do at this stage. Maybe they won't appoint him, but anything is possible with these shower in charge. I believe there was no proper debate on the review, just club delegates voicing their anger towards the top table, then the people at the top table called a halt to the proceedings thereafter. It's not good enough. I don't know how they are still getting away with it.
Could not agree more, what a bunch of tools, I would tell the "supporters club" from wherever that are pushing Micko thanks but no thanks, good God, this is the future of Mayo football, and it is being turned into a fffinn media circus. The rest of the country must be laughing their arse off at us. Is that not the same group that gave us the wonderful Jacko back in the early nineties.
For what its worth, I just came back form being home for a week or so and a very high ranking GAA official who would be in the know, has said that Maughan will be the next manager. He is 7/4 with Paddy Power for all of you gamblers, tempted to have a few bob on him, cannot see Micko being appointed, even by our incompetant standards.
If I had my way, I would give Denis Kearney a two year shot, he has put in a lot of time in management over the past ten years, he has won county titles with both Curry and Castlerea. James Horan is unproven. Maughan may have a job finding a back room team, as decisions by committee do not appear to be his forte. I personally lost a fair amount of respect for him after his escapades with both Fermanagh and Roscommon, if he had laid low for a while he may have been better served. However as the expectations are so low, managing Mayo at the current time could be considered to be a low risk job.
Bottom line, it is a pathetic situation we are currently in.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2010, 09:46:33 PM
While we are all against Micko being appointed, are any of us surprised as to what these shower of gombeen hoors in the county board will do at this stage. Maybe they won't appoint him, but anything is possible with these shower in charge. I believe there was no proper debate on the review, just club delegates voicing their anger towards the top table, then the people at the top table called a halt to the proceedings thereafter. It's not good enough. I don't know how they are still getting away with it.
Hmmm. There's another way to look at it. It s an old chestnut that a people get the government they deserve. Maybe we have the County Board we deserve. Sorry, that s not right. Let me put it another way. People who stay in the game after playing and know a bit usually stay involved as coaches or managers at various levels. The club reps on the board is often a different animal altogether. He may be a great GAA /club man but footballing astute.... ? well I dunno. Often they are fond of blazers and meetings. They love meetings and the allliances and intrigue that goes with politics, at whatever base the level.
I also suspect that they are going about Micko because they believe that he would be popular among the masses. They ll figure that Mayo needs a bit of a boost after the dumbing down of the Johnno years proved a disaster both from a football and a financial point of view. I m not talking about the posters on here, but the man on the street who wouldn't recognise many other names and the people who bother to ring up Midwest radio. Sorry, but James Horan even, doesn't mean lot to the average Mayo person. Sad, but true.
Basically we re talking about the cohort that the board wheeled out the last Messiah to, even though anybody that was clued in would know it would end in grief. They ll go with the populist choice and they ll give us who they think we want and as a result put a few more arses on seats next spring. Improving or winning I suspect has little got to do with it.
If the executive were honorable then they should appoint from the nominees that satisfied their criteria and produced a letter. I suspect that letter ploy was designed to eliminate a few. I mean, ffs, this day and age, a f**king letter. As if likes Peter Forde or Maughan would produce a letter. I suspect those that did write to Santa now regret doing so, as all kinds of horse-trading will be going on behind the scenes and their letters might not be taking up much time. Makes them look a bit exposed.
A fella that knows a bit about managing Mayo told me weeks ago that the last thing you would do is make it known you were interested in the job. They call you, you don't call them. Those that call them or apply through the channels that they outlined I think we ll find were wasting their time. The only qualification I would volunteer here is that the minor management appointment was very transparent and I think Duffy's fellow club-man may yet get the nod - but this is a bigger fish. If a sugar Daddy comes in with the bucks the lads that applied through the proper channels will be hung out I suspect.
Quote from: joemamas on August 26, 2010, 12:19:00 AM
Jacko back in the early nineties.
Anyone else remember the league game against Kerry where he wore the Kerry socks up to his knees over the Mayo training gear in Ballina I think it was.
Made me as angry as a bull in a field that day and still does now >:(
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2010, 09:46:33 PM
While we are all against Micko being appointed, are any of us surprised as to what these shower of gombeen hoors in the county board will do at this stage. Maybe they won't appoint him, but anything is possible with these shower in charge. I believe there was no proper debate on the review, just club delegates voicing their anger towards the top table, then the people at the top table called a halt to the proceedings thereafter. It's not good enough. I don't know how they are still getting away with it.
Yeah, just on that point there. Just on that point about the club delegates. Do many on here know who they are? Do we realise that one of the biggest cynics on the night was recently the PRO for the board and a selector at U21 in McStays time. Maybe he s just pissed off now not being a big shot because he s just a blazer - U12s wold pelt him off the field if he tried to train them. Another dissenter was on an interview board that appointed a manager in the 90s. A fella that was lamenting no proper rows in Mayo games - I suspect he s talking about lack of heart - referees matches with whistling you wouldn't find at a sheep dog trial. It s like tag football . It s a load of balls- a load of posturing. Old scores being settled. The type of stuff that would make most of us run a mile. I mentioned Ballymagash before. Y' know that Hall based that on Castlebar UDC meetings. Apparently they were legendary. The stuff just up the road now not far behind.
Have you put yourself forward as club delegate Moysider?
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2010, 01:17:16 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 26, 2010, 01:08:54 AM
Have you put yourself forward as club delegate Moysider?
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2010, 12:20:57 AM
They call you, you don't call them.
;D
I know some of us are out of the country, but it seems that we may have a few insomniacs on board. All very good contributors it should be noted.
Quote from: stephenite on August 26, 2010, 01:08:54 AM
Have you put yourself forward as club delegate Moysider?
No. At least not yet. But wouldn't rule it out. Still prefer to have a more hands-on involvement.
Quote from: joemamas on August 26, 2010, 01:21:26 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2010, 01:17:16 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 26, 2010, 01:08:54 AM
Have you put yourself forward as club delegate Moysider?
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2010, 12:20:57 AM
They call you, you don't call them.
;D
I know some of us are out of the country, but it seems that we may have a few insomniacs on board. All very good contributors it should be noted.
I finished work only 2 hours ago. Sleep will arrive shortly............zzzzzzzz
Quote from: joemamas on August 26, 2010, 01:21:26 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2010, 01:17:16 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 26, 2010, 01:08:54 AM
Have you put yourself forward as club delegate Moysider?
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2010, 12:20:57 AM
They call you, you don't call them.
;D
I know some of us are out of the country, but it seems that we may have a few insomniacs on board. All very good contributors it should be noted.
FFS, just cause I cant sleep there is no need to call me a maniac.
If the county board think that the popular choice amonst Mayo supporters is Micko, they are showing how badly out of touch they are.
I would worry that some bollix with more money than sense thinks that Micko is the man and the county board will snap his hand off for a few bob towards the expenses. If this comes to pass then we will see a doubling of journalists and a halving of supporteres at our games next year.
Why are ye so against Micko?
Everyone here form Mayo is giving out against Micko ... but it's not his fault - have you no one else you can put up against him to run for it?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 26, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
Why are ye so against Micko?
Its the big county mentality Sligonian, we see ourselves as a big county (rightly or wrongly) and he just doesn't suit our needs. How long is it since Micko got a team farther than we have got 5.5 times ourselves in the last 22 years or twice in the last 5. Mayo doesn't need the promotion that counties like Wicklow needed, in fact that was one area I think Johnno did well, lowering expectations, we don't need Micko building them up among the hysteric masses who turn up on A.I. Quarter Final Day, we only need hysterics and mad expectations when we are entering McHale or Dr.Hyde in the first round to defend our All-Ireland Title.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 26, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
Why are ye so against Micko?
Its the big county mentality Sligonian, we see ourselves as a big county (rightly or wrongly) and he just doesn't suit our needs. How long is it since Micko got a team farther than we have got 5.5 times ourselves in the last 22 years or twice in the last 5. Mayo doesn't need the promotion that counties like Wicklow needed, in fact that was one area I think Johnno did well, lowering expectations, we don't need Micko building them up among the hysteric masses who turn up on A.I. Quarter Final Day, we only need hysterics and mad expectations when we are entering McHale or Dr.Hyde in the first round to defend our All-Ireland Title.
Fair enough - but it looks to me like you've not many other options - unless you can convince Maughan to return?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 26, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
Why are ye so against Micko?
Its the big county mentality Sligonian, we see ourselves as a big county (rightly or wrongly) and he just doesn't suit our needs. How long is it since Micko got a team farther than we have got 5.5 times ourselves in the last 22 years or twice in the last 5. Mayo doesn't need the promotion that counties like Wicklow needed, in fact that was one area I think Johnno did well, lowering expectations, we don't need Micko building them up among the hysteric masses who turn up on A.I. Quarter Final Day, we only need hysterics and mad expectations when we are entering McHale or Dr.Hyde in the first round to defend our All-Ireland Title.
Thats fair enough, but the way i look at a manager is its all about getting the best out of you and i think in kildare, laois and wicklow he did. If he got the best out of mayo you never know.
Quote from: JMohan on August 26, 2010, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 26, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
Why are ye so against Micko?
Its the big county mentality Sligonian, we see ourselves as a big county (rightly or wrongly) and he just doesn't suit our needs. How long is it since Micko got a team farther than we have got 5.5 times ourselves in the last 22 years or twice in the last 5. Mayo doesn't need the promotion that counties like Wicklow needed, in fact that was one area I think Johnno did well, lowering expectations, we don't need Micko building them up among the hysteric masses who turn up on A.I. Quarter Final Day, we only need hysterics and mad expectations when we are entering McHale or Dr.Hyde in the first round to defend our All-Ireland Title.
Fair enough - but it looks to me like you've not many other options - unless you can convince Maughan to return?
Maughan & Forde as dual managers!!!
Well joint managers never work IMO - but at least it's an option.
If you don't get one then Micko will be up the road to youse!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 12:00:22 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 26, 2010, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 26, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
Why are ye so against Micko?
Its the big county mentality Sligonian, we see ourselves as a big county (rightly or wrongly) and he just doesn't suit our needs. How long is it since Micko got a team farther than we have got 5.5 times ourselves in the last 22 years or twice in the last 5. Mayo doesn't need the promotion that counties like Wicklow needed, in fact that was one area I think Johnno did well, lowering expectations, we don't need Micko building them up among the hysteric masses who turn up on A.I. Quarter Final Day, we only need hysterics and mad expectations when we are entering McHale or Dr.Hyde in the first round to defend our All-Ireland Title.
Fair enough - but it looks to me like you've not many other options - unless you can convince Maughan to return?
Maughan & Forde as dual managers!!!
Forde was selector for Maughan before. Didnt end to well that time so hardly going to happen again
According to to-day's indo,Micko has got an itch !
Thursday August 26 2010
Mick O'Dwyer has expressed an interest in becoming the new Mayo football manager.
O'Dwyer has been nominated for the Mayo job along with Denis Kearney, John Maughan, James Horan and Anthony McGarry.
"I am getting the itch back now again. I have had other counties on to me as well but told them I wasn't interested at this stage," he said.
The 74-year-old Kerry legend, who has managed his native county, as well as Kildare, laois and Wicklow, has yet to confirm his departure from Wicklow.
Christ, looks more and more like it could happen. Somebody out there has a few bob to spare by the looks of things.
Quote from: JMohan on August 26, 2010, 12:14:13 PM
Well joint managers never work IMO - but at least it's an option.
If you don't get one then Micko will be up the road to youse!
You keep trumpeting that we have no one. Everyone mentioned would be a better option for the job imho.
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a bastard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a b**tard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
You've high hopes for Galway then it seems!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a b**tard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
Do Galway people wonder why there wasnt an all Ireland final since 2001?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2010, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a b**tard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
You've high hopes for Galway then it seems!
Just building the bastards up ;)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a b**tard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
You reckon Micko has been driving to and from Waterville to Kildare, Laois and Wicklow all these years?
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2010, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a b**tard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
You reckon Micko has been driving to and from Waterville to Kildare, Laois and Wicklow all these years?
I believe he's a bit like Saddam Hussein in that there are lots of Mickos, possibly as many as 7. The Kildare one was there all the time and didn't drive up and down to Kerry. The Kerry one stays out of sight while the Kildare one was in action. The same deal happened in Laois and Wicklow.
We could try this in Mayo except we'd have one Micko for the Seniors, one for the U-21s and one for the minors. The Ladies would need one of course and the top clubs should each get a Micko until they were all used up.
Of course we would only pay for the one Micko.
muppet, didn.t you and Micko go to uni together. Maybe he will bring you into his backroom team
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2010, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a b**tard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
You reckon Micko has been driving to and from Waterville to Kildare, Laois and Wicklow all these years?
Doesn't he have a house in Kildare? And didn't his son play for Kildare? I assume that he travelled to Laois and Wicklow from a Kildare base.
Now up and down the road to Mayo would be a different thing alltogether. I know, as I have done it enough times!
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on August 26, 2010, 10:35:10 PM
muppet, didn.t you and Micko go to uni together. Maybe he will bring you into his backroom team
That was his Dad.
Quote from: western exile on August 26, 2010, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2010, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a b**tard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
You reckon Micko has been driving to and from Waterville to Kildare, Laois and Wicklow all these years?
Doesn't he have a house in Kildare? And didn't his son play for Kildare? I assume that he travelled to Laois and Wicklow from a Kildare base.
Now up and down the road to Mayo would be a different thing alltogether. I know, as I have done it enough times!
Look, if the board want him travel will not be an issue. Not like he ll be driving up and down from Waterville or even Kildare every day. I didn't think any anybody believed that. He s a hotelier and chances are he has an interest in an ould hotel in Galway or Westport or Sligo.
We knew the CB was out of touch but did we ever think that they would come up with this one? It looks like Micko is the man that they are going to push (even despite internal objections) and they don't care what anybody else thinks. Who is pushing this on the Board I wonder - I heard the Chairman mentioned on radio as saying that contact had been made with Micko and would be followed up. Is it him?
Is there actually any Mayo supporter on this site that would take Micko?
I heard 3 interviews with him yesterday and they were all completely different:
1. I don't know where i'll be next year and sure I haven't left Wicklow.
2. There are great players in Mayo but I'm taking a few weeks off and will then decide what I'm going to do. I might even take a break for a year.
3. I have been contacted by Mayo. The drive from Waterville to Castlebar is too long but not ruling it out.
A man this cute will make mince meat of our CB!!
Whatever we might think of his ability to do the job do we really want a man running the Mayo football team who is whoring himself about while still thinking about going back to the County that he is with. What happens next year? End of the championship we will be in limbo for weeks and there will be no structure to the thing whether we have a successful year or not.
For me I will be making sure I run into my Club Delegate this weekend and telling him what my view is. I think for too long the Clubs have been quiet in our County. We give out about contributions that have to be made to fund various Board projects but we are the people that have the morons there year in year out and unless somebody stands up and says stop we willl continue with the same crap, win a few Connacht titles, lose some embarassing matches, and be shouldered with a debt on the white elephant. With the country the way it is at the moment and emigration from the west to become a bigger problem strong leadership is needed if clubs or to survive and if our county teams are to remain at the level we are used to.
If the Board get over the 6 Sept meeting without any serious objections from delegates they have a free reign and we can get ready for Micko. I guess there will be more journalists than fans at the games if that happens as somebody said above.
Whatever we might think of their calibre there are 3 Mayo men willing to do this job yet people are talking about a mercenary from Kerry. If you do not have a burning desire to manage the Mayo team you should not get the job
QuoteMICK O'Dwyer would "take Kilkenny as quick as he'd take Mayo" as speculation regarding his managerial future continued apace yesterday, WRITES Donnchadh Boyle.
Predictably, the Waterville man has been linked with a handful of counties but O'Dwyer is one of five nominations to succeed John O'Mahony. O'Dwyer is currently managing home club Waterville on a stand-in basis and claimed he still has the 'hunger' to manage at the highest level.
"I have no decision made. I have had a word with a few in the last six months but I have made no decision," he said.
"The 32 counties in Ireland would be appealing to me -- I'd take Kilkenny as quick as I'd take Mayo if I got a notion. And I've proven that -- I took Kildare when they were down, I took Laois when they were down and I took Wicklow. It wouldn't matter one way or the other. I love training teams, I'm back training my old club in Waterville and I still get a buzz out of it."
O'Dwyer did hint that Mayo have a deep pool of talent and should have won at least one All-Ireland since their last success in 1951.
"Mayo think they're up there (competing for All-Irelands) all the time. They are producing great underage players and it's amazing they haven't achieved. I suppose they should have won an All- Ireland in 1996 when Meath beat them. They have the players, maybe too many players."
Quote from: western exile on August 26, 2010, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2010, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
If I was him I would come nowhere near Mayo, holy feck its a b**tard of a drive to Waterville, not the fancy roads up to Leinster. Mayo fans are worse "animals" than any that can be found in Kerry and he will get an easier time in Galway as they will only notice he is there when they go to their first match of the year the All-Ireland Final.
You reckon Micko has been driving to and from Waterville to Kildare, Laois and Wicklow all these years?
Doesn't he have a house in Kildare? And didn't his son play for Kildare? I assume that he travelled to Laois and Wicklow from a Kildare base.
Now up and down the road to Mayo would be a different thing alltogether. I know, as I have done it enough times!
He doesn't have a house in Kildare as far as I'm aware. He had a garage in Rathangan and was involved in one or two businesses in Newbridge and Kildare Town but I think he sold his stake in all of them a few years ago. He commuted from Waterville to Kildare, Laois and Wicklow for years. Karl only came to Kildare in '98 when he got a job in the school in Rathangan. He's teaching in Confey now I think.
I genuinely don't understand the hostility towards Dwyer. Don't believe all the bullshit that he's just a freeloading mercenary. When he first came to Kildare he surrounded himself with the most knowledgable football men in the county and scoured the county for the best talent. Those players would have gone through a brick wall for him and he put the pride back in the Kildare jersey. He's not a tactical genius but he's cute enough to realise that. He has always been very careful to choose at least one tactician as a selector. Pat McCarthy filled that role during his time in Kildare.
I think he'd do a good job with Mayo. He certainly wouldn't be a lackey for the county board.
So you'd have him back in a heartbeat then by the sounds of things?
If McGeeney did up sticks we could do a lot worse. I doubt we would have been as pathetic in the last decade if we still had Dwyer in charge. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone in Kildare who has a bad word to say about the man.
Dwyer will get the best out of footballers. It is not up to the county manager to sort out the internal politics of a county though and from an outsider looking in, this appears to be a big part of the problem with Mayo.
Any chance of a look at the review? Yeah - some fcukin chance ::)
I'd be far more interested in seeing James Horan or someone like him as an independent director who's sole remit is to put in place structures to oversee the development underage stars into Senior footballers.
Is that a pig flying?
Quote from: Barney on August 27, 2010, 08:04:45 AM
Is there actually any Mayo supporter on this site that would take Micko?
If there was a serious alternative who was interested, then no. But the other three on the list (I'm not including Maughan because he's not including himself) have done nothing management-wise at inter-county level. If this is the list to pick from, then I'd pick Micko.
Whatever you think of the man's motives, he puts fire, pride and belief into his teams. Time and again Mayo posters on this board, myself included, bemoan the lack of those three things. I think for one year anyway, it has to be worth a shot.
It's not like we have a team of outstanding players just requiring a tweak to win Sam anyway. And yes, I know that's the real problem - but whoever is appointed the new manager won't be able to solve that anyway. That would, I'd hope ( ::)) be the purpose of the 'review', if and when it ever happens...
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on August 27, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Barney on August 27, 2010, 08:04:45 AM
Is there actually any Mayo supporter on this site that would take Micko?
If there was a serious alternative who was interested, then no. But the other three on the list (I'm not including Maughan because he's not including himself) have done nothing management-wise at inter-county level. If this is the list to pick from, then I'd pick Micko.
Whatever you think of the man's motives, he puts fire, pride and belief into his teams. Time and again Mayo posters on this board, myself included, bemoan the lack of those three things. I think for one year anyway, it has to be worth a shot.
It's not like we have a team of outstanding players just requiring a tweak to win Sam anyway. And yes, I know that's the real problem - but whoever is appointed the new manager won't be able to solve that anyway. That would, I'd hope ( ::)) be the purpose of the 'review', if and when it ever happens...
The 2 senior managers in action this Sunday had done nothing either in advance of their current roles from an intercounty perspective and they havent done too badly! No more than ourselves, I think ye need to take a chance and shop local this time round.
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on August 27, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Barney on August 27, 2010, 08:04:45 AM
Is there actually any Mayo supporter on this site that would take Micko?
If there was a serious alternative who was interested, then no. But the other three on the list (I'm not including Maughan because he's not including himself) have done nothing management-wise at inter-county level. If this is the list to pick from, then I'd pick Micko.
Whatever you think of the man's motives, he puts fire, pride and belief into his teams. Time and again Mayo posters on this board, myself included, bemoan the lack of those three things. I think for one year anyway, it has to be worth a shot.
It's not like we have a team of outstanding players just requiring a tweak to win Sam anyway. And yes, I know that's the real problem - but whoever is appointed the new manager won't be able to solve that anyway. That would, I'd hope ( ::)) be the purpose of the 'review', if and when it ever happens...
To be honest I d be with you on this. I wouldn't have been beatings drums for Micko to be appointed but the alternatives are not sure things either. Maybe its s 15/20 years too late in the sense that the game has changed a lot since his Kerry was in its pomp but I ve always wondered what an O Dwyer or a Boylan or a Heffernan would have made of us. When you think of all the talent and years we have wasted I don't see why there is such hostility towards Micko. I m actually curious as to what his impact would be like and how certain players would respond. We re at rock bottom. He cant do any worse than the last guy who was backed to the hilt by most until he grinded to a halt. Besides we ll know more about likes of Dempsey and Duffy in a couple of years. And James Horan. This time is probably too soon for those guys. In a couple of years the younger players will be maturer too. I d let Micko squeeze as much out of the next 2 years as he can.
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on August 27, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Barney on August 27, 2010, 08:04:45 AM
Is there actually any Mayo supporter on this site that would take Micko?
I'm not including Maughan because he's not including himself
Maughan's not including himself on this GAA politics meets X-Factor selection process, but I'll eat my hat if he's not very, very interested indeed in the job itself. You'll note he's against Micko in his column this week (
"I remain convinced that the new appointment will be someone from within the county boundaries") but doesn't give any of the other contenders his blessing. Draw your own conclusions.
'lower expectations' by fucj jonno did a great job there. Here we were playing all ireland finals every other year. Jom had no time for such crap.
That and destroying morale are his twin legacies.
Micko has got more of the votes and nearly 25% of the total vote in the Mayo News, seems this board isn't reflective of the feeling in Mayo.
Quote from: stephenite on August 27, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
Any chance of a look at the review? Yeah - some fcukin chance ::)
I'd be far more interested in seeing James Horan or someone like him as an independent director who's sole remit is to put in place structures to oversee the development underage stars into Senior footballers.
Is that a pig flying?
I heard Kevin Mc Stay on the radoi this mrnimg saying more or lass the same thing and how Micko would be a bad move for Mayo. Why doesn't our CB listen to these men who have the best intentions for Mayo football? If Micko manages Mayo i will not attend any more. All is lost at the moment i feel.
you Mayo lads are some men to be turning up your noses up at Micko.
When the least is expected of our managers they somehow surprise us, the second coming of Maughan ended with a final appearance in 2004, M&M in 2006 another final appearance and then with the great expectations of JOM we did very little. Maybe with the low expectations (from members of this board) that O'Dwyer will bring we could be pleasantly surprised. I have a good friend that played with Kildare back in the 90's, O'Dwyer hounded him to return home to play for Kildare when he was thinking of staying on here in the U.S. if he still has that same energy (unlikely) and perseverance he might not be a bad pick but age is against him..70+
To defend Micko for half a second ..... his motives surely can not be money. The man is minted - whats 80K a year going to do for him ? Unless he has a dose of extreme Cavan-itis then i can't see money being the issue.
Also, a lot of people seem to think that whoever should be over the senior team should also be 'director of football' throughout the whole county. Such a scenario would never be allowed to happen. Yes, the powers that be will nod their heads in disapproval when the likes of John Evans gets employed by the Tipp county board in such a role, but nodding of heads would not be enough if Mayo employed a man in such a role and the county board know this.
I think we could do worse than have someone like James Horan responsible for coaching and structures throughout the county presuming such a role were the outcome of the long promised audit and with Micko as the man in charge of the senior team...... sort of an Arsene Wenger / Liam Brady role at Arsenal (although that analogy would underplay the role i would have in mind for someone like Horan)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 27, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
you Mayo lads are some men to be turning up your noses up at Micko.
In fairness some of us are not.
Quote from: blast05 on August 27, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
To defend Micko for half a second ..... his motives surely can not be money. The man is minted - whats 80K a year going to do for him ? Unless he has a dose of extreme Cavan-itis then i can't see money being the issue.
Also, a lot of people seem to think that whoever should be over the senior team should also be 'director of football' throughout the whole county. Such a scenario would never be allowed to happen. Yes, the powers that be will nod their heads in disapproval when the likes of John Evans gets employed by the Tipp county board in such a role, but nodding of heads would not be enough if Mayo employed a man in such a role and the county board know this.
I think we could do worse than have someone like James Horan responsible for coaching and structures throughout the county presuming such a role were the outcome of the long promised audit and with Micko as the man in charge of the senior team...... sort of an Arsene Wenger / Liam Brady role at Arsenal (although that analogy would underplay the role i would have in mind for someone like Horan)
As far as I m aware any review that is going to take place has taken place. Billy McNicolas has made a presentation to the board outlining what is being done underage at county level. There was also some hazy invitation to the clubs to feel free to volunteer suggestions but no committee was put in place or anything as far as I know to facilitate this. I wouldn't be putting much store in an audit that McStay was suggesting and some on here were expecting. Turkeys wouldn't vote for Christmas and all that.
A review and management of the county team separate issues. The manager has enough on his plate to prepare the county senior football team, end of. That he would have a wider role - call it a director of football or whatever - is, as you point out, unworkable. The last man came into the job talking about 'putting structures in place'. It was enough to put a shiver down the spine. The managers job is to make the most of the players available to him, not worry about what players will be coming through in 5 years time. There should be other people working on that. And indeed there is. Anyway apart from the silly talk the last man did nothing to improve 'structures' whatever that was supposed to be anyway. He was also sidetracked by some strange desire to get everybody to believe we weren't much good and ended up making sure everybody realised it. In other words he didn't do what he was supposed to do at all well. Strange times indeed.
Could anyone care to name the members of the Mayo executive that are incompetent, incapable, etc and outline the reasons why
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 27, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
you Mayo lads are some men to be turning up your noses up at Micko.
Yerra Kerry wouldn't touch him with a barge pole these days either so have a word with yourself good lad.
Quote from: blast05 on August 27, 2010, 11:19:20 PM
Could anyone care to name the members of the Mayo executive that are incompetent, incapable, etc and outline the reasons why
Nobody would get there by being incompetent or incapable. They are very capable and competent people. But the picture they see is not necessarily the picture we see. Their priorities could be way different than the common garden supporter. But rest assured, incompetent and incapable are 2 things they are not. Take this manager stuff. The executive will get who they want for their own reasons.
Self-serving is more their forte.
Mayo will go for an internal candidate like Noel Connelly perhaps..
They need someone on the ground with a 5 year plan working closely with the minor & 21 teams...
Quote from: Jimmy14 on August 28, 2010, 12:09:46 PM
Mayo will go for an internal candidate like Noel Connelly perhaps..
They need someone on the ground with a 5 year plan working closely with the minor & 21 teams...
I doubt it. Connelly hasn't even been nominated or expressed any interest.
As for 5 year plans. Scary things, and we shouldn't be fooled by talks of rebuilding and long term plans in this county. I wouldn't trust anybody with that kind of time span. Our recent 4 year experience shows what can go wrong when one person is given total control for a number of years. I dont see how working closely with minor or U21would be of much benefit either nor would being in the county be of much benefit either. Young players are coming through and it is the senior manager s job to get the best out of the best at his disposal now. At least the team he inherits should be fresh and hungry - they haven't done anything in 4 years. Any more talk of planning and structures and dumbing down needs to be nipped in the bud now. The new managers only focus should be preparing the team and making sure it performs to the best of its ability.
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Micko has got more of the votes and nearly 25% of the total vote in the Mayo News, seems this board isn't reflective of the feeling in Mayo.
How many of that 25% where logging into the site to check the death notices or when Jedward were back the "the Royal" in Castlebar!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Micko has got more of the votes and nearly 25% of the total vote in the Mayo News, seems this board isn't reflective of the feeling in Mayo.
How many of that 25% where logging into the site to check the death notices or when Jedward were back the "the Royal" in Castlebar!
A why is your opinion more valid than theirs?
Of course you need a 5 year plan that would only bring players from u 16 to u21 . What stage u think mayo should plan the next generation age 20?
Quote from: rosnarun on August 28, 2010, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Micko has got more of the votes and nearly 25% of the total vote in the Mayo News, seems this board isn't reflective of the feeling in Mayo.
How many of that 25% where logging into the site to check the death notices or when Jedward were back the "the Royal" in Castlebar!
A why is your opinion more valid than theirs?
Of course you need a 5 year plan that would only bring players from u 16 to u21 . What stage u think mayo should plan the next generation age 20?
5 year plans went uit of fashion with Stalinist Soviet Union and for good reason. They didn't reach their targets. If you want a development programme that is not in place now then go ahead but that will not be the managers concern. His role is to prepare the Senior team not cherrypick from 16/17 yr olds etc who he thinks will be the future seniors. His will be only another opinion on a young player after all , same as all the Jedward fans and auld ones listening to MidWest. We should have learned at this stage about putting all our faith in Messiahs. Anyway the players are bubbling through nicely from 16-21. It s then we have a problem.
That will be the next managers problem - not hiding behind programmes and rebuilding. If we hear the incoming manager use that kind of jargon we will know straight away we are in for more lean times.
I think it is exciting that some one like Micko would consider managing Mayo. It would certainly bring us to the next level. The man is a proven legend. he has always denied taking extra payments for managing counties sure wasnt he audited by revenue and everything and if them fellas didnt get anything then i am convinced. It will cost mayo nothing more then normal expenses so we should snap him up
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on August 28, 2010, 08:31:43 PM
It will cost mayo nothing more then normal expenses so we should snap him up
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
7 round trips per week from Waterville to Castlebar for 40 weeks ( about €80,000)
Winning an AI is priceless.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2010, 11:55:04 PM
Winning an AI is priceless.
Personally I don't think I'll see it in my lifetime.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 29, 2010, 01:00:05 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2010, 11:55:04 PM
Winning an AI is priceless.
Personally I don't think I'll see it in my lifetime.
A lot of old people think that way (not saying you're old). I would be hopeful of one...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2010, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 29, 2010, 01:00:05 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2010, 11:55:04 PM
Winning an AI is priceless.
Personally I don't think I'll see it in my lifetime.
A lot of old people think that way (not saying you're old). I would be hopeful of one...
I would expect between 35 & 60 more years on my clock.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on August 28, 2010, 08:31:43 PM
I think it is exciting that some one like Micko would consider managing Mayo. It would certainly bring us to the next level. The man is a proven legend. he has always denied taking extra payments for managing counties sure wasnt he audited by revenue and everything and if them fellas didnt get anything then i am convinced. It will cost mayo nothing more then normal expenses so we should snap him up
If you're excited at the prospect of Micko 'considering' whether to manage Mayo, don't forget he was prepared to manage Wicklow, and what did he really achieve there ::)
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2010, 08:29:39 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 28, 2010, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Micko has got more of the votes and nearly 25% of the total vote in the Mayo News, seems this board isn't reflective of the feeling in Mayo.
How many of that 25% where logging into the site to check the death notices or when Jedward were back the "the Royal" in Castlebar!
A why is your opinion more valid than theirs?
Of course you need a 5 year plan that would only bring players from u 16 to u21 . What stage u think mayo should plan the next generation age 20?
5 year plans went uit of fashion with Stalinist Soviet Union and for good reason. They didn't reach their targets. If you want a development programme that is not in place now then go ahead but that will not be the managers concern. His role is to prepare the Senior team not cherrypick from 16/17 yr olds etc who he thinks will be the future seniors. His will be only another opinion on a young player after all , same as all the Jedward fans and auld ones listening to MidWest. We should have learned at this stage about putting all our faith in Messiahs. Anyway the players are bubbling through nicely from 16-21. It s then we have a problem. That will be the next managers problem - not hiding behind programmes and rebuilding. If we hear the incoming manager use that kind of jargon we will know straight away we are in for more lean times.
bull china the most rapidly growing economy in the world still uses them.
but we need to be really ambitious like these guys
The French railway system makes our poor Amtrak want to hide out in a freight yard somewhere, crying.
Guillaume Pepy, the president of the French railway company SNCF, once explained to me why: To build decent infrastructure, he said, you need to have a 50-, 75-, or 100-year plan.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341109,00.html
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 12:05:18 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2010, 08:29:39 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 28, 2010, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
Micko has got more of the votes and nearly 25% of the total vote in the Mayo News, seems this board isn't reflective of the feeling in Mayo.
How many of that 25% where logging into the site to check the death notices or when Jedward were back the "the Royal" in Castlebar!
A why is your opinion more valid than theirs?
Of course you need a 5 year plan that would only bring players from u 16 to u21 . What stage u think mayo should plan the next generation age 20?
5 year plans went uit of fashion with Stalinist Soviet Union and for good reason. They didn't reach their targets. If you want a development programme that is not in place now then go ahead but that will not be the managers concern. His role is to prepare the Senior team not cherrypick from 16/17 yr olds etc who he thinks will be the future seniors. His will be only another opinion on a young player after all , same as all the Jedward fans and auld ones listening to MidWest. We should have learned at this stage about putting all our faith in Messiahs. Anyway the players are bubbling through nicely from 16-21. It s then we have a problem. That will be the next managers problem - not hiding behind programmes and rebuilding. If we hear the incoming manager use that kind of jargon we will know straight away we are in for more lean times.
bull china the most rapidly growing economy in the world still uses them.
but we need to be really ambitious like these guys
The French railway system makes our poor Amtrak want to hide out in a freight yard somewhere, crying.
Guillaume Pepy, the president of the French railway company SNCF, once explained to me why: To build decent infrastructure, he said, you need to have a 50-, 75-, or 100-year plan.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341109,00.html
My original point was that long-term (say 5 years) planning is not is not the role of the senior team manager. How could it be when he might not last more than a season or two? The next senior manager will be working with the 20+ players.The lads that are 16/17 will probably the responsibility of the next manager again by the time they are ready to play senior. Over the last 5 years we have seen the emergence of players like the Freemans, O Sés, Campbell, Conroy, Hanley, Higgins, Parsons and a few others too like O Connor and Kirby look like they could be senior soon. They have come through various clubs and county underage squads from U16 to U21. OK put a plan in place but I doubt it would produce better players over the next 5 years. Our problem has been getting these guys to play senior football. The problem has been mainly coaching. Our players still play like minors in their late 20s. It s like they never grow up. We need a manager who get the likes of Parsons to play adult football. Next year.
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2010, 02:56:55 PM
My original point was that long-term (say 5 years) planning is not is not the role of the senior team manager. How could it be when he might not last more than a season or two? The next senior manager will be working with the 20+ players.The lads that are 16/17 will probably the responsibility of the next manager again by the time they are ready to play senior. Over the last 5 years we have seen the emergence of players like the Freemans, O Sés, Campbell, Conroy, Hanley, Higgins, Parsons and a few others too like O Connor and Kirby look like they could be senior soon. They have come through various clubs and county underage squads from U16 to U21. OK put a plan in place but I doubt it would produce better players over the next 5 years. Our problem has been getting these guys to play senior football. The problem has been mainly coaching. Our players still play like minors in their late 20s. It s like they never grow up. We need a manager who get the likes of Parsons to play adult football. Next year.
that's it in a nutshell
So looks like there will be a development in Wicklow tonight that will change the course of the whole Mayo manager story again
[http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/frank-roche/odwyer-set-to-stay-on-with-wicklow-2317250.html (http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/frank-roche/odwyer-set-to-stay-on-with-wicklow-2317250.html)
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2010, 02:56:55 PM
My original point was that long-term (say 5 years) planning is not is not the role of the senior team manager. How could it be when he might not last more than a season or two? The next senior manager will be working with the 20+ players.The lads that are 16/17 will probably the responsibility of the next manager again by the time they are ready to play senior. Over the last 5 years we have seen the emergence of players like the Freemans, O Sés, Campbell, Conroy, Hanley, Higgins, Parsons and a few others too like O Connor and Kirby look like they could be senior soon. They have come through various clubs and county underage squads from U16 to U21. OK put a plan in place but I doubt it would produce better players over the next 5 years. Our problem has been getting these guys to play senior football. The problem has been mainly coaching. Our players still play like minors in their late 20s. It s like they never grow up. We need a manager who get the likes of Parsons to play adult football. Next year.
Spot on. I think there was a bit of a problem with the type of player we were producing at underage up to about 4 or 5 years ago, but we've produced players and teams on a par with the best in the country over the last few years.
But there is a definite issue bringing these players through and moulding them into tough, strong-headed, cute (as in hoor) senior players.
QuoteSo looks like there will be a development in Wicklow tonight that will change the course of the whole Mayo manager story again
[http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/frank-roche/odwyer-set-to-stay-on-with-wicklow-2317250.html
Well that's the best news all day. Hopefully it all comes to pass. ;D
That would open up the door for the restoration of Sir John. The word on the street was that the executive was split between the two of them.
Quote from: Barney on August 30, 2010, 04:14:19 PM
So looks like there will be a development in Wicklow tonight that will change the course of the whole Mayo manager story again
[http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/frank-roche/odwyer-set-to-stay-on-with-wicklow-2317250.html (http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/frank-roche/odwyer-set-to-stay-on-with-wicklow-2317250.html)
Ha ha!!!
I wonder what convinced [cough] a few more euro's? [cough] him to change his mind?
Well worked Micko! You gotta hand it to him, he'd bleed money from Aer Arann in the middle of a recession if he had to!
This story in the herald doesnt quote anyone, I would be surprised if Micko takes the wicklow job tonight, his right hand man was canvassing delegates over the weekend
Interesting to hear that REDCOL.
As the poster with the best sources where do you reckon this is going to end up?
I think it is alarming that this is a real possibility. What has the man achieved since Laois won Leinster? I know he did get Wicklow on a good run last year but that hasn't been followed up. He is a GAA legend but his time is done. Training wise we will be taking a step back. Tactically we will be inept. And most importantly we do not need to be the centre of media circus.
Some rubbish long-term thinking but we are at a crossroads now. There are lads there around the 23, 24, 25 mark who are at the decisive time. They can either fulfil potential and show that the past 4 years were just a bad dream. Or else they can push on, stand up for themselves and challenge at the top level. They are fellas that do not need exposure. We need a low profile manager who gets into their heads, who builds up a panel that is "Team Mayo" and has them raring to go next Summer.
And rest assured if Micko does take it we will be back with the same rubbish next year win, lose or draw - with him blathering on about not knowing whether he will hang around etc etc.
Of course I would be delighted if it would work out but it is more a social experiment destined to failure.
It is time for initiative from the County Board. Their flawed system for appointment has put them in this mess. Head hunt whoever they think is the best Mayo man or group of Mayo men to lead the team and move on.
Although I thought it would have been a waste of money initially - the Review idea now looks like a good idea!
It might even stall things for a while until people catch a grip.
Quote from: JMohan on August 30, 2010, 07:45:31 PM
Although I thought it would have been a waste of money initially - the Review idea now looks like a good idea!
It might even stall things for a while until people catch a grip.
The review has already taken place.
It is not easy to gauge the exact lie of the land. Our Chairman and Treasurer want Micko, not entirely for football reasons. If we like it or not Mc Hale Park is a huge factor in this equation, the debt on this project is huge - interest payment circa 700k per year. Clubs are going to have to pay for most of this - probably leading to a revolt against County Board.
The Dublin Gang - names by PM only want Micko - being influenced by Mickos Sidekick, this suits CB as they will pick up the tab and will relieve some financial pressure, even if some of the locals get the job, CB will have to pay.
Micko is a rogue and if he gets the job, the CB lose control, it wont only be our ex-PRO who is kept out of the dressing room.
I have a few reservations about Micko, but will he motivate our players his history suggests he will.
He is being slated about not bringing on subs - maybe his subs were not good enough last year, he brought on two subs in both wicklow matches this year.
His Training is outdated according to some experts - could it be any worse than Kieltys.
His great strength in my opinion is that he gets players to believe in themselves.
By the way, he beat both Kildare and Down in the last three years with Wicklow.
The other contenders, James Horan has done Ok with Ballintubber and could be a possible contender in the future.
Denis Kearney has a good club record
Anthony Mc Garry - Doesnt seem to be in the running
John Maughan - County secretary seems to want him .
Local media have an Anyone but Micko campaign and most posters on here and on Willie Joes blog dont seem to want him. Perhaps its the last dalliance with Jacko that is influencing people.
5 year plans dont interest me, winning matches in Sligo and Longford are more important than talking shops with the same county board delegates that have been there for 20 years, Divisional Boards with officials for 25 years. and we are saying Micko is too old, his metods are outdated.
I say give him two years and bring some fresh faces into the administration side of things in the county, how many delegates are under 40. Then bring in a new young manager and compare records.
Quote from: Barney on August 30, 2010, 07:36:34 PM
Interesting to hear that REDCOL.
As the poster with the best sources where do you reckon this is going to end up?
I think it is alarming that this is a real possibility. What has the man achieved since Laois won Leinster? I know he did get Wicklow on a good run last year but that hasn't been followed up. He is a GAA legend but his time is done. Training wise we will be taking a step back. Tactically we will be inept. And most importantly we do not need to be the centre of media circus.
Some rubbish long-term thinking but we are at a crossroads now. There are lads there around the 23, 24, 25 mark who are at the decisive time. They can either fulfil potential and show that the past 4 years were just a bad dream. Or else they can push on, stand up for themselves and challenge at the top level. They are fellas that do not need exposure. We need a low profile manager who gets into their heads, who builds up a panel that is "Team Mayo" and has them raring to go next Summer.
And rest assured if Micko does take it we will be back with the same rubbish next year win, lose or draw - with him blathering on about not knowing whether he will hang around etc etc.
Of course I would be delighted if it would work out but it is more a social experiment destined to failure.
It is time for initiative from the County Board. Their flawed system for appointment has put them in this mess. Head hunt whoever they think is the best Mayo man or group of Mayo men to lead the team and move on.
I see where you re coming from Barney. However I think the fact that some of the executive have gone after Micko, and indeed turning to Maughan again, shows how bare they consider the cupboard is at home. They have only themselves to blame for that to an extent. Instead of the underage teams being used to blood men who had ambitions to manage the senior team in the future a lot of those appointees were just unsuitable or were not prepared to move up. I m talking about the likes of JP Kean, Carney, McStay, Reilly and Ivors. Also the fact that Holmes was put in charge of the U21s after a poor senior term did not add up either. Connelly would have more credibility now if he had been let go alone but it looks like the board did not trust him without a minder - a bit like Stan and Bobby, with apologies to Bobby.
The word over the weekend was that the executive was split between Maughan and Johnno. They re being conservative because they re afraid to go with a rookie manager, in case it goes belly-up - at least they ll know what they ll get with Maughan and Micko. There is also the financal angle. Money is the bottom line and right now Mayo is not attractive to sponsors or investors or whatever. Mayo is now a taker and give nothing back. Losing your 2 championship games a year is a poor exposure return for sponsors say like Elverys. I m sure they would be expecting that their jersey would be on tv a few times during the summer and in front of big crowds in Croke Park. I bet they sold more jerseys in 06 than they have in the 4 years since. So low key might seem like a good idea to me and you but not to the marketing men and the executive who need the money coming in. Whatever we may think of him Micko and, to a lesser extent, Maughan would have the sponsors rubbing their hands.
I just highlighted the training bit because really very unlikely that the training and coaching could go backwards on the last 4 years. Before the Longford game this year sessions were so flat, Morrison s old drills and conditioned games were dusted off to try and get a spark going. But what was smart and fluid in 06 was a mess with fellas not able to do anything at speed or under pressure without fumbling and turning over possession.
And if it is Micko is there any word on who his selectors will be?
While I agree as well that the McHale Park project is a huge consideration a successful team is what is going to cure or at least help heal the financial woes.
The Chairman and Treasurer are two of the people behind the development which was sloppy, haphazard, overly expensive, and has caused problems with the locals.
No word on selectors, a lot of mistakes made by all board members on the mc hale park project.
We ll have a new chairman in November so maybe that will be a help in sorting out issues with the locals. I think that this would be a good time to remind ourselves that it was Paddy Naughton as chairman in 05 that was behind the appointment of M and M. when he was succeeded as Chairman the 2 had no friendly face to turn to on the executive. In fact they were dead men walking as soon as Naughton stepped aside.
The next manager will need to be more than the Chairman s choice if he s to last long, because Waldron will have as little say as you or I in a few months time.
So in summary REDCOL if you were backing man you would go for Micko right now?
The dangerous position we are in is that if they blow their Micko daliance they could alienate so many potential candidates that we could still be without a manager come November/December. Don't rule out a 100 page thread on this yet!
Quote from: Barney on August 30, 2010, 08:55:58 PM
While I agree as well that the McHale Park project is a huge consideration a successful team is what is going to cure or at least help heal the financial woes.
The Chairman and Treasurer are two of the people behind the development which was sloppy, haphazard, overly expensive, and has caused problems with the locals.
The Chairman and Treasurer are two of the people that ensured that all work on the new ground was kept local and gave vital employment which kept a few firms head above water. I suppose you'd rather give it to Sisks or MacNamara instead?
QuoteThe Chairman and Treasurer are two of the people that ensured that all work on the new ground was kept local and gave vital employment which kept a few firms head above water. I suppose you'd rather give it to Sisks or MacNamara instead?
It is admirable that it was kept local and we all like to support our own in the GAA. But when you splash out €20m there is little room for sentiment. Did the architects/engineers have experience in this area, or did they consult with experienced parties? The construction firms just followed the plans. What is the benefit to the clubs and supporters that are going to have to fund this? A smaller stand could have been built. Was there a need for the watchtower. Remember there is only one big game there every year on average.
Maybe if there is money going for a manager it should be kept in Mayo as well?
Exactly Barney. No point in building the damn thing in the first place. And we'll be paying for it for generations.
Quote from: Barney on August 30, 2010, 09:18:19 PM
QuoteThe Chairman and Treasurer are two of the people that ensured that all work on the new ground was kept local and gave vital employment which kept a few firms head above water. I suppose you'd rather give it to Sisks or MacNamara instead?
It is admirable that it was kept local and we all like to support our own in the GAA. But when you splash out €20m there is little room for sentiment. Did the architects/engineers have experience in this area, or did they consult with experienced parties? The construction firms just followed the plans. What is the benefit to the clubs and supporters that are going to have to fund this? A smaller stand could have been built. Was there a need for the watchtower. Remember there is only one big game there every year on average.
Maybe if there is money going for a manager it should be kept in Mayo as well?
Er ... they didn't follow the plans. The plans that quantity surveyors priced were not the plans that was built. It was priced as a cantilever and some of the prices were very competitive with the end cost of the dumbed down version. My guess is that the poles were put in to reduce costs ( less steel) and increase profits on the job. At least if we had a stand we could be proud of we wouldn't mind havin to pay for it. But that yoke. And the watchtower.
It amuses me the way people here with very little Knowledge of the day to day scene in mayo Bleat about how poor the structures are on on hand spend the rest of the time giving out about and attempt at building a structure such as the redevelopment of machale park (its a hell of a lot more than just a stand) or. long term planning for the team or the Balllyhaunis development. these are the essential parts that will keep mayo dining at the top table . which we have been doing since the mid 90's more consistently than 75% of teams. esp at under age level.
Sure there one or two pieces missing from the final puzzle but we just got to keep doing the right things.
Getting rid of O'mahony is a huge first step and long over due but the at worst the powers that be showed an loyalty the man did not desrve . not the worst trait in the world.
word at the time was the poles saved €1 million .
Worst thing about it is the lack of cross aisles . could be dangerous in a crush
http://www.wicklowgaaonline.com/index.php/2010/08/decision-in-ten-days/
Quote from: REDCOL on August 30, 2010, 10:35:14 PM
http://www.wicklowgaaonline.com/index.php/2010/08/decision-in-ten-days/
Jesus, but Micko is not a man to sell his hen on a wet day. He s waitin for bigger fish to take his bait. Apologies for mixing metaphors and all that but this guy is good.
He's worked that situation nicely alright. Just enough time to find out if the Mayo jobs a goer and if not he has his fallback position ready and waiting.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 10:30:00 PM
It amuses me the way people here with very little Knowledge of the day to day scene in mayo Bleat about how poor the structures are on on hand spend the rest of the time giving out about and attempt at building a structure such as the redevelopment of machale park (its a hell of a lot more than just a stand) or. long term planning for the team or the Balllyhaunis development. these are the essential parts that will keep mayo dining at the top table . which we have been doing since the mid 90's more consistently than 75% of teams. esp at under age level.
Sure there one or two pieces missing from the final puzzle but we just got to keep doing the right things.
Getting rid of O'mahony is a huge first step and long over due but the at worst the powers that be showed an loyalty the man did not desrve . not the worst trait in the world.
Araaggh quit being so argumentative Rosnarun just for the sake of it. You d swear that everybody was doing all of the above. e.g I m not complaining about structures but I don't care much for long term planning ( I mean the team building shite).You d also swear that you think you have more 'knowledge of the day to day scene' - what does that mean - than others. I dont know what puzzle your on about but if there is one and a missing piece it is a top manager. That is what this is about. But while we re at it you might be a man that knows what that McHale development cost?
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2010, 11:00:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 10:30:00 PM
It amuses me the way people here with very little Knowledge of the day to day scene in mayo Bleat about how poor the structures are on on hand spend the rest of the time giving out about and attempt at building a structure such as the redevelopment of machale park (its a hell of a lot more than just a stand) or. long term planning for the team or the Balllyhaunis development. these are the essential parts that will keep mayo dining at the top table . which we have been doing since the mid 90's more consistently than 75% of teams. esp at under age level.
Sure there one or two pieces missing from the final puzzle but we just got to keep doing the right things.
Getting rid of O'mahony is a huge first step and long over due but the at worst the powers that be showed an loyalty the man did not desrve . not the worst trait in the world.
Araaggh quit being so argumentative Rosnarun just for the sake of it. You d swear that everybody was doing all of the above. e.g I m not complaining about structures but I don't care much for long term planning ( I mean the team building shite).You d also swear that you think you have more 'knowledge of the day to day scene' - what does that mean - than others. I dont know what puzzle your on about but if there is one and a missing piece it is a top manager. That is what this is about. But while we re at it you might be a man that knows what that McHale development cost?
there is no way the builer put in the poles without the approval of the engineer and the architect, it would definetly have saved money but for the client , not the builder.
Quote from: ludermor on August 30, 2010, 11:31:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2010, 11:00:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 10:30:00 PM
It amuses me the way people here with very little Knowledge of the day to day scene in mayo Bleat about how poor the structures are on on hand spend the rest of the time giving out about and attempt at building a structure such as the redevelopment of machale park (its a hell of a lot more than just a stand) or. long term planning for the team or the Balllyhaunis development. these are the essential parts that will keep mayo dining at the top table . which we have been doing since the mid 90's more consistently than 75% of teams. esp at under age level.
Sure there one or two pieces missing from the final puzzle but we just got to keep doing the right things.
Getting rid of O'mahony is a huge first step and long over due but the at worst the powers that be showed an loyalty the man did not desrve . not the worst trait in the world.
Araaggh quit being so argumentative Rosnarun just for the sake of it. You d swear that everybody was doing all of the above. e.g I m not complaining about structures but I don't care much for long term planning ( I mean the team building shite).You d also swear that you think you have more 'knowledge of the day to day scene' - what does that mean - than others. I dont know what puzzle your on about but if there is one and a missing piece it is a top manager. That is what this is about. But while we re at it you might be a man that knows what that McHale development cost?
there is no way the builer put in the poles without the approval of the engineer and the architect, it would definetly have saved money but for the client , not the builder.
Hmmm. Just that there was at least one very good price for the cantilever. That s why I m checking the price of the job they did.
in total about 16 million
no i dont have special info , ;ike most here im a mayo man in exile . not too farawy but exile all the same.
It pisses me off when i see the moaning about Structures ect when all they actually know/Care about the GAA in the county is the Senior team ans even then in an airy fairy way hoping for knight in shining armor to come in one swoop and Win the AIF without putting in the hard yards.
Life don't work like that
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
in total about 16 million
no i dont have special info , ;ike most here im a mayo man in exile . not too farawy but exile all the same.
It pisses me off when i see the moaning about Structures ect when all they actually know/Care about the GAA in the county is the Senior team ans even then in an airy fairy way hoping for knight in shining armor to come in one swoop and Win the AIF without putting in the hard yards.
Life don't work like that
Folks I don't know anything about building but I was in McHale Park for the Connacht final having not been there since the last time Sligo played a Connacht final there in 2002. Granmted the new stand is wider and deeper and there's a bit of work done on other walls as well as that yoke on McHale Rd that all the fusss was (is?) about but for all yet have after... €16m - and folk give out about banks and NAMA. That is just unreal and totally and utterly unjustifiable for any provincial ground at any time. I'm at a loss for words - I'm sure there is some learned quote out there somewhere about false pride... oif I was that learned.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
in total about 16 million
no i dont have special info , ;ike most here im a mayo man in exile . not too farawy but exile all the same.
It pisses me off when i see the moaning about Structures ect when all they actually know/Care about the GAA in the county is the Senior team ans even then in an airy fairy way hoping for knight in shining armor to come in one swoop and Win the AIF without putting in the hard yards.
Life don't work like that
Agree. But some of us in here do put in hard yards and have done so for years. Then we see the elect piss it all away like happened last 4 years.
16 million. Right. There was a price for the cantilever for @4 million less. The ******* is a Senior Quantity S in a company that priced it less than 16k as well and as far as he can recollect ( its his game so...) The best price was from a firm called ****** at @12m. Too cheap? Well not our problem if the firm got their figures wrong or didn't make much money. Why should we pay more for a local job if a better job could have been done for a lot less? Because the industry is a bit rotten everywhere and in a few countries the link between construction and football is a bit iffy doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye.
Instead of this review or audit or whatever has already taken place I would like to see a review of the McHale Park development. Some terms of reference?
Why now and why on that site?
Were the plans that were put out to tender the plans that were built?
If more competitive prices for a cantilever stand were set aside for a dumbed down version with poles, costing millions more, why was that done?
In response to Ludermore and the thing about the builder and Architect and Engineer. I m sure the whole project was approved by an engineer but I doubt any architect would like to be associated with it. Harsh I know but we ve ended up with an awful burden. A terrible legacy left by men that wanted to make their mark but got it wrong should have left it to others. There are flaws that will take some sorting even if a couple are aesthetic.
The poles.
Inadequate toilets ( think a few portaloos at a busy concert) and shop.
Lights that were not approved by planning.
A watchtower that looks like it s out of a bad psp game.
I think an independent review needs to be done on this. I cant see club officials even imagine about asking cash strapped members to just stump up for this. I know club officers who are going to refuse to sell cb tickets themselves or - as happens smaller clubs - ask players to sell them to folk at work. At E100 a pop. These guys are in cloud cuckoo land. After Sligo and Longford this year Mayo is a commodity that cannot be shifted. Let Waldron and the other execs go and try to sell their cb tickets at their local marts next week ( after all a lot of Mayo football people are rurals). They ll be asking for his profit on 1 animal for a years work. Lets see what reaction they ll get.
So Micko is leading Wicklow in a merry dance. They should tell him that they will be finding something else.
The timetable in Mayo is a County Board Executive meeting tonight, with a full County Board meeting next Monday. Is this the reason Micko wants ten days. Are efforts underway to attempt to have Micko nominated next week? The ten days would indicate that if he is not he may look elsewhere?
Quote
By Colm Keys
Tuesday August 31 2010
Mick O'Dwyer has deferred making a decision on a possible return to Wicklow for another 10 days.
But the smart money is on the most celebrated manager in the game declining an invitation to reverse the decision he made in the immediate aftermath of the qualifier defeat to Cavan.
A Wicklow County Board meeting last night had been filled with some expectation that O'Dwyer's reign in Wicklow would extend into a fifth year.
But chairman Andy O'Brien declared that O'Dwyer had sought another 10 days to make his mind up whether or not he would continue. O'Brien revealed that Wicklow officials had met the Kerry man twice in recent weeks and were hopeful that he would continue.
O'Dwyer has been linked with the Mayo vacancy, where he is one of five nominees and has support form at least one high-ranking board officer as well as supporters club officials in Dublin.
The departure of Mickey Ned O'Sullivan as manager has inevitably established a potential link with Limerick.
Wicklow delegates are prepared to wait as long as it takes but have given clearance for executive members to make alternative plans if O'Dwyer sticks by his original intention.
No doubt the push is on and promises will be made to the clubs as to the burden that will be lifted off them if Micko is put in charge. The Mayo News continue to be against it. I think Sean Rice is often off the mark but like his article today:
QuoteO'Dwyer is not the answer
Sean Rice
THE uncanny prediction in the pages of The Mayo News last week was spot on.
The celebrity syndrome has once more surfaced as Mayo GAA officials get down to selecting someone to guide the fortunes of Mayo football for the next few years.
Mick O'Dwyer it seems is the main target of a certain section of the county executive. And the fact that his name has been ringing out on national radio as a hot contender for the position would seem to indicate that the Kerryman is the choice of the majority.
Some members of the board have already been in touch with O'Dwyer. He admitted as much on radio, adding that one of his concerns was the long journey from Waterville to Castlebar three or four times a week for training purposes.
It is not certain who approached the Kerryman or with whose authority. But it was scarcely a vote of confidence in the contenders officially before the board for consideration.
O'Dwyer was not nominated. And the image of the board was not enhanced, nor the interest of football well served, in virtually dismissing the applications of those already nominated before approaching Mick O'Dwyer. Men who, rightly or wrongly, believe in their own ability to lead Mayo into a new era deserve better.
And what of the costs involved? If Joe Kernan's one-year reign stung Galway for the best part of €200,000 – and may cost the chairman his post after only one year in office – what effect will O'Dwyer's appointment have on the coffers of Mayo GAA Board already struggling to meet the €10m repayments for renovations to McHale Park?
It stretches the imagination to believe that O'Dwyer is the panacea for the football problems facing Mayo. He draws national attention because of his genuine success as manager of Kerry . . . a long time ago.
Outside the county his achievements are less illustrious. Kildare, whom he guided to an All-Ireland final in 1998, is his biggest boast. Laois and Wicklow exemplify only his ordinariness as a coach.
He has been a success with Kerry. But at 75 years of age the Kerryman, as manager, is now a well-dipped tea bag. And those who expect him to lead Mayo to an All-Ireland title – for that is sum of the county's expectations – are living a Walter Mitty daydream.
Liam O'Neill, one of the most respected coaches to lead Mayo — and who has no interest in returning to the post — had this to say of Mick O'Dwyer:
"I know one thing, he will raise a lot of money as he did in Wicklow with golf classics etc. But he is old news and has not moved up with the times. That's why he failed at Kildare, Laois and Wicklow. His method of running around 30 laps of the field is not the new way to get lads fit."
The Kerryman may yet see the folly of trying to cope with a fastidious football county 200 miles away. His mulling over the prospect may be no more than a stalling tactic while Limerick, a comparatively short distance away, consider their vacant post.
One would have expected that before turning their thoughts to an outsider, however, the Mayo board would have combed this county first for an aspiring coach.
If they are not satisfied with the quality of the names before them, there are others well qualified to take the reins if a method of approach similar to that of O'Dwyer – who was not nominated by a club — was adopted.
Maybe, if he were requested, Noel Connelly, who together with Pat Holmes and Micheal Collins were such an inspiring U-21 management, would show some interest – although circumstances might not allow a self-employed man with a young family the time to undertake such an onerous job. But he ought to be asked.
And where does Peter Ford figure in the discussions? Has anyone considered his successful stint as manager of Sligo? While Kevin Walsh basks in the plaudits of Sligo's rise to eminence, Ford guided the Yeats County to an even higher plane, with a victory over Tyrone and forcing the eventual All-Ireland winners Armagh to a quarter-final replay.
The Castlebar Mitchels manager has also had a stint with Galway, and steered their U-21 side to an All-Ireland title. I don't know what interest, if any, he holds for the Mayo job. But Ford is one of our own . . . and eminently suited to take charge of Mayo football. Is he not worth a subtle sound out?
And Kevin O'Neill isn't too impressed either:
QuoteCalls grow for a review before new manager picked
Mike Finnerty
FORMER Mayo footballers Kevin O'Neill and Kevin McStay have both called on the Mayo GAA Board to carry out a proper strategic review of the game in the county before appointing the next Mayo senior manager.
O'Neill was speaking exclusively to The Mayo News on Sunday evening last, shortly after helping Knockmore to victory in the Mayo SFC quarter-final and just 48 hours before the Mayo GAA executive were due to meet for the second time in eight days to discuss the Mayo senior management issue.
His comments come eight weeks after a statement issued by the Mayo GAA executive, following Mayo's defeat to Longford in the All-Ireland SFC Qualifier, where they revealed that they were, "undertaking a review of the state of the game in the county."
"With the review subject to take place in the coming weeks, it has been decided to defer the appointment of the next senior football manager until after this process has been finalised," read the statement.
"We feel that to do otherwise would take some focus and direction away from the matter at hand - namely the overall welfare of the game in our county."
The clubs of the county were subsequently told at a County Board meeting last month that they should discuss the state of football and bring proposals to a meeting of their local divisional board before next Monday, September 6.
However, many observers remain unconvinced by the decision to charge the clubs with beginning the review at the same time as the search begins for a new Mayo senior manager.
"At this stage I find it a little bit strange that we'd appoint a manager without doing a strategic review of where we are, where we need to be, and where we need to go as a county for the next number of years," said Kevin O'Neill.
"I don't see any great need for a rush in making an appointment. The next person we appoint as the Mayo manager has to be the right appointment for the next three to five years. Whether that's Mick O'Dwyer, or anybody else out there, we have to pick the right person for the job.
"I think that's why we need the strategic review," he added. "We need to specify what type of manager we want. Managing an inter-county team involves so many different aspects from physical preparation to mental preparation, and the tactical side of things has become critically important.
"It's important too to have some sort of succession plan in place so that whoever we do appoint as the next manager is surrounded by good people who can come and take over after that person.
"I've heard all the different names being mentioned but I'd feel more comfortable if they went through the strategic review, came up with an action plan out of that for the next six to twelve months, and also for the longer-term development strategy after that.
"Based on that strategy we should find out what are the key strengths and characteristics we need in a manager over the next couple of years. And then go out and try to find the best candidate for that job whether they're from Mayo or outside of Mayo.
"Things have changed a lot in inter-county football now. A lot of younger managers are now coming to the fore and I think that's bringing a whole breath of fresh air to football too. I wouldn't be in such a rush to make that appointment.
"It's critically important we get it right," continued the veteran Knockmore forward, who won an All Star award in 1993. "We have talent within Mayo that is as good, if not better, than Kildare or Down and you see where they've got this year.
"I definitely believe that with the right structures, and the right guy in place, the talent is there. But it is going to take a significant amount of sacrifice from the current crop of players that are there. If they want to make the step up to the next level, I think there needs to be an awful lot of honesty. Fellas need to sit down, look at themselves in the mirror, and say 'why are they in this'? 'Are they in this for all the right reasons'? They have to be able to put their lives on hold and make the ultimate sacrifices if they want to achieve the ultimate within Gaelic football.
"A bit of patience on the whole thing might do no harm at this stage and maybe less talk in the papers, and come back inside and get our own house in order without being so public about it.'
O'Neill's comments echoed those of Mayo News columnist and RTE pundit Kevin McStay who was unequivocal in his opposition to a 'quick fix' solution when speaking on RTE radio's Morning Ireland last Friday morning.
"We were promised a review a couple of months ago, that seems to have died a death, and now we're appointing key officials before we've even had the review. To me it's a complete nonsense," he said.
"That's not a personal slight against Mick O'Dwyer but the man is 74. This Mayo job is two to three years, surely, so he'll be 77 by the time it's over. Every county that's had a vacancy, Laois, Limerick, Galway, his name has been associated with it.
"I think Mayo should be going a completely different route. I'm disappointed, to say the least, that it hasn't been a bit more progressive."
I think the Board would be much better listening to the likes of Kevin O'Neill than those pushing Micko.
There is going to be a serious amount of rumblings no matter what the outcome to this now and we are probably going to be a split county. Without everybody working together we will go nowhere.
JOURNEY TO CASTLEBAR FROM KERRY, 150 MILES.
AGE OF MICKO 74 YEARS
HOURS TO DRIVE TO CASTLEBAR 4 HOURS X 2
THE FACT IT WAS EVER CONSIDERED PRICELESS
WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE COUNTRY, COULD YOU EVER SEE TYRONE,DUBLIN,CORK OR HIS OWN NATIVE KERRY DREAMING OF ASKING HIM TO MANAGE THE SENIORS? JOHN O MAHONY EMBARASSED US BIGTIME THIS YEAR AND THEN WE HAVE THE COUNTY BOARD CLOWNS ADDING TO IT. THE BEST TEAMS IN IRELAND WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM MANAGE US, THAT WOULD REMOVE THE CHANCE THAT WE MIGHT CATCH THEM OUT IN A QUARTERFINAL OR WORSE A SEMI. WE ARE ALREADY DEEMED NO HOPERS IN FINALS AND ONLY A PROPER MANAGER CAN CHANGE THAT.
AS WITH OUR GOVERNMENT CHANGE IS NEEDED AT COUNTY BOARD LEVEL IN A BIG WAY.
Quote from: paddypastit on August 31, 2010, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
in total about 16 million
no i dont have special info , ;ike most here im a mayo man in exile . not too farawy but exile all the same.
It pisses me off when i see the moaning about Structures ect when all they actually know/Care about the GAA in the county is the Senior team ans even then in an airy fairy way hoping for knight in shining armor to come in one swoop and Win the AIF without putting in the hard yards.
Life don't work like that
Folks I don't know anything about building but I was in McHale Park for the Connacht final having not been there since the last time Sligo played a Connacht final there in 2002. Granmted the new stand is wider and deeper and there's a bit of work done on other walls as well as that yoke on McHale Rd that all the fusss was (is?) about but for all yet have after... €16m - and folk give out about banks and NAMA. That is just unreal and totally and utterly unjustifiable for any provincial ground at any time. I'm at a loss for words - I'm sure there is some learned quote out there somewhere about false pride... oif I was that learned.
I am sick to the back teeth with the bitching about the new stand, its a fine structure and adds greatly to the Infractructure of Mayo GAA.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 31, 2010, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: paddypastit on August 31, 2010, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
in total about 16 million
no i dont have special info , ;ike most here im a mayo man in exile . not too farawy but exile all the same.
It pisses me off when i see the moaning about Structures ect when all they actually know/Care about the GAA in the county is the Senior team ans even then in an airy fairy way hoping for knight in shining armor to come in one swoop and Win the AIF without putting in the hard yards.
Life don't work like that
Folks I don't know anything about building but I was in McHale Park for the Connacht final having not been there since the last time Sligo played a Connacht final there in 2002. Granmted the new stand is wider and deeper and there's a bit of work done on other walls as well as that yoke on McHale Rd that all the fusss was (is?) about but for all yet have after... €16m - and folk give out about banks and NAMA. That is just unreal and totally and utterly unjustifiable for any provincial ground at any time. I'm at a loss for words - I'm sure there is some learned quote out there somewhere about false pride... oif I was that learned.
I am sick to the back teeth with the bitching about the new stand, its a fine structure and adds greatly to the Infractructure of Mayo GAA.
are you been serious Mayogodhelp us ? its a joke . i have seen better slatted houses built and this structure cost 16 million ffs . i think the turnout to sundays matches showed what mayo football people think of the stadium and the decision to bring all the big matches up to castlebar.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 31, 2010, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: paddypastit on August 31, 2010, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
in total about 16 million
no i dont have special info , ;ike most here im a mayo man in exile . not too farawy but exile all the same.
It pisses me off when i see the moaning about Structures ect when all they actually know/Care about the GAA in the county is the Senior team ans even then in an airy fairy way hoping for knight in shining armor to come in one swoop and Win the AIF without putting in the hard yards.
Life don't work like that
Folks I don't know anything about building but I was in McHale Park for the Connacht final having not been there since the last time Sligo played a Connacht final there in 2002. Granmted the new stand is wider and deeper and there's a bit of work done on other walls as well as that yoke on McHale Rd that all the fusss was (is?) about but for all yet have after... €16m - and folk give out about banks and NAMA. That is just unreal and totally and utterly unjustifiable for any provincial ground at any time. I'm at a loss for words - I'm sure there is some learned quote out there somewhere about false pride... oif I was that learned.
I am sick to the back teeth with the bitching about the new stand, its a fine structure and adds greatly to the Infractructure of Mayo GAA.
The stand is on the wrong side of the pitch, ever sat there when the sun is setting or the rain blowing into the back rows of the stand, both old and new. The "Bertie Bowl" was stopped in its tracks it's a pity the "Castlebar Folly" didn't suffer the same fate. A fine millstone around the necks of all our clubs both big and small. All this at a time when clubs, especially in rural areas are losing out yet again to emigration. A fine piece of infrastructure for crows to nest in it for roughly 362 days a year.
Whether Mick O'Dwyer should be Mayo manager is a matter for the people of Mayo but I really have to take exception with some of the half-truths passing for journalistic comment in the article Barney posted
QuoteO'Dwyer is not the answer
Sean Rice
It stretches the imagination to believe that O'Dwyer is the panacea for the football problems facing Mayo. He draws national attention because of his genuine success as manager of Kerry . . . a long time ago.
Outside the county his achievements are less illustrious. Kildare, whom he guided to an All-Ireland final in 1998, is his biggest boast. Laois and Wicklow exemplify only his ordinariness as a coach.
QuoteLiam O'Neill, one of the most respected coaches to lead Mayo — and who has no interest in returning to the post — had this to say of Mick O'Dwyer:
"I know one thing, he will raise a lot of money as he did in Wicklow with golf classics etc. But he is old news and has not moved up with the times. That's why he failed at Kildare, Laois and Wicklow. His method of running around 30 laps of the field is not the new way to get lads fit."
Kiladre hadn't made an All Ireland final since 1935 before Micko arrived.
Laois hadn't won a Leinster championship since 1946 before Micko arrived
Wicklow had never won 4 championship matches in a season before Micko arrived.
If that's failure, success must be a very hard thing to achieve.
The Mayo News seems to have an agenda against Micko, I was going to mention some of the inaccuracies in Sean Rices piece.
But at 75 years of age - 74 actually Sean
is now a well-dipped tea bag - any mirrors in wesport. Ageist anyone ?
Laois and Wicklow exemplify only his ordinariness as a coach - already addressed
Finally, any journalist that can write a piece should do at least a little research and he would know that some of the names he has named have already been sounded out on more than one occassion.
I really would like to see Micko get the gig now. Sean & Mike could moan about it for the next two years.
I wish one way or the other the oul bollix would make up his mind. Mannix is 100% correct, we are the laughing stock of the country right now. :-[ Mayo God help us is right.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 31, 2010, 02:50:11 PM
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 30, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
in total about 16 million
no i dont have special info , ;ike most here im a mayo man in exile . not too farawy but exile all the same.
It pisses me off when i see the moaning about Structures ect when all they actually know/Care about the GAA in the county is the Senior team ans even then in an airy fairy way hoping for knight in shining armor to come in one swoop and Win the AIF without putting in the hard yards.
Life don't work like that
Folks I don't know anything about building but I was in McHale Park for the Connacht final having not been there since the last time Sligo played a Connacht final there in 2002. Granmted the new stand is wider and deeper and there's a bit of work done on other walls as well as that yoke on McHale Rd that all the fusss was (is?) about but for all yet have after... €16m - and folk give out about banks and NAMA. That is just unreal and totally and utterly unjustifiable for any provincial ground at any time. I'm at a loss for words - I'm sure there is some learned quote out there somewhere about false pride... oif I was that learned.
I am sick to the back teeth with the bitching about the new stand, its a fine structure and adds greatly to the Infractructure of Mayo GAA.
The stand is on the wrong side of the pitch, ever sat there when the sun is setting or the rain blowing into the back rows of the stand, both old and new. The "Bertie Bowl" was stopped in its tracks it's a pity the "Castlebar Folly" didn't suffer the same fate. A fine millstone around the necks of all our clubs both big and small. All this at a time when clubs, especially in rural areas are losing out yet again to emigration. A fine piece of infrastructure for crows to nest in it for roughly 362 days a year.
Even Bertie wouldn't have got planning on the other side of the road.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 31, 2010, 06:03:04 PM
I wish one way or the other the oul bollix would make up his mind. Mannix is 100% correct, we are the laughing stock of the country right now. :-[ Mayo God help us is right.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 31, 2010, 06:03:04 PM
we are the laughing stock of the country right now. .
What's new . I thought ye always were ;D ;D ;D ;D
As for Micko ...... I'd better say nothing or he'll sue the GaaBoard.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 31, 2010, 04:49:27 PM
Whether Mick O'Dwyer should be Mayo manager is a matter for the people of Mayo but I really have to take exception with some of the half-truths passing for journalistic comment in the article Barney posted
QuoteO'Dwyer is not the answer
Sean Rice
It stretches the imagination to believe that O'Dwyer is the panacea for the football problems facing Mayo. He draws national attention because of his genuine success as manager of Kerry . . . a long time ago.
Outside the county his achievements are less illustrious. Kildare, whom he guided to an All-Ireland final in 1998, is his biggest boast. Laois and Wicklow exemplify only his ordinariness as a coach.
QuoteLiam O'Neill, one of the most respected coaches to lead Mayo — and who has no interest in returning to the post — had this to say of Mick O'Dwyer:
"I know one thing, he will raise a lot of money as he did in Wicklow with golf classics etc. But he is old news and has not moved up with the times. That's why he failed at Kildare, Laois and Wicklow. His method of running around 30 laps of the field is not the new way to get lads fit."
Kiladre hadn't made an All Ireland final since 1935 before Micko arrived.
Laois hadn't won a Leinster championship since 1946 before Micko arrived
Wicklow had never won 4 championship matches in a season before Micko arrived.
If that's failure, success must be a very hard thing to achieve.
When JOM took over Mayo in the 80s he got them to there first All Ireland final for 38 years it was seen as a success in Mayo.. since then unless you win the All Ireland it's a failure as Moran/Maughan will concur
So a lot of pressure on 74 year old to succeed
Fair play to ye, Mayo posters. Some intriguing points being put forward on the last few pages of this thread.
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1150:odwyer-a-drifter-in-mayo-management-betting&catid=35:gaelic&Itemid=83
From being odds-on last week, former Kerry legend Mick O'Dwyer has taken a huge walk in the betting market for the Mayo senior football management job. O'Dwyer has seen his odds go to 7/1 and in line with the general thinking that he would find little support from the Mayo GAA clubs. A meeting of the Mayo County Board is down for next Monday night but it is unlikely a new manager will be put before that meeting ahead of planned interviews with all the nominees.
John Maughan has now been installed as the new favourite to get the job, with Ballintubber's James Horan in second place.
There has been some disquiet around the county that the Mayo Supporters Club in Dublin has been acting alone and pushing for the appointment of O'Dwyer to the post which was vacated by John O'Mahony.
It is also common knowledge that a well-known Mayo businessman has been lending his support to bring the 74-year-old to Mayo, but the belief is that the Kerryman is likely to stay in Wicklow as the support does not appear to be there for him in Mayo.
Although John Maughan has been nominated for the position, the Crossmolina man has not indicated his interest in the job.
A condition of being nominated is that the nominee must send a letter to the board indicating his interest in the post.
Mayo county secretary Sean Feeney told The Connaught Telegraph yesterday (Monday) the names that have been put forward will be presented to the meeting of the board on Monday night when the views of the clubs and the divisional boards will be heard. "They will have the option of going with those or seeking other names for the position. Ultimately, the clubs will have their say and it won't be a case of the board imposing any manager," he said.
Paddy Powers latest odds on the Mayo senior management job
8/13 John Maughan, 7/4 James Horan, 6/1 Denis Kearney, 7/1 Mick O'Dwyer and 16/1 Anthony McGarry.
I'd like to know more about the role Club Mayo are playing in all of this. On Willie Joe's blog and their own website they issued a statement denying any involvement. But now it seems they are intrinsically linked and are the only ones pushing Mick O'Dwyer.
Dear Members
We are aware that there has been much speculation in the local and national press with regard to the impending appointment of a new manager for the Mayo Senior Football Team.
Any implication of involvement in this process by Club Mayo is without foundation. The process is being undertaken by Mayo County Board alone and we have not and will not be expressing any preference for any potential candidate.
We look forward to supporting the new Manager, whoever that may be, once appointed.
CLUB MAYO EXECUTIVE
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on August 31, 2010, 08:50:27 PM
I'd like to know more about the role Club Mayo are playing in all of this. On Willie Joe's blog and their own website they issued a statement denying any involvement. But now it seems they are intrinsically linked and are the only ones pushing Mick O'Dwyer.
Dear Members
We are aware that there has been much speculation in the local and national press with regard to the impending appointment of a new manager for the Mayo Senior Football Team.
Any implication of involvement in this process by Club Mayo is without foundation. The process is being undertaken by Mayo County Board alone and we have not and will not be expressing any preference for any potential candidate.
We look forward to supporting the new Manager, whoever that may be, once appointed.
CLUB MAYO EXECUTIVE
Someone with an axe to grind down west has been blaming someone else in Dublin. They seem to have the wrong target.
Quote from: REDCOL on August 31, 2010, 05:35:10 PM
The Mayo News seems to have an agenda against Micko, I was going to mention some of the inaccuracies in Sean Rices piece.
But at 75 years of age - 74 actually Sean
is now a well-dipped tea bag - any mirrors in wesport. Ageist anyone ?
Laois and Wicklow exemplify only his ordinariness as a coach - already addressed
Finally, any journalist that can write a piece should do at least a little research and he would know that some of the names he has named have already been sounded out on more than one occassion.
I really would like to see Micko get the gig now. Sean & Mike could moan about it for the next two years.
It s unfortunate that some people still pay heed to Rice. The guy s had some agendas in recent years. Anybody remember the goes he had at David Brady and Ciarán MacDonald.
In the above article it was his attempts to spice up Peter Forde and describing the Holmes/Connelly/ Collins U21 largely underachieving campaigns as ' inspiring' that took the buscuit.
Anyway it looks like the Micko trail is going cold and he is now 7/1 with Paddy Power which says a lot. I believe his supporters on the executive have changed tack and have got the largely hostile message from the clubs to the Micko idea. In other words they ve been told. At least that is what I was told last night.
Not sure where it leaves us though. A lot to be said for Maughan again I suppose. We wont be as watery as recent years and I suppose getting towards the summit again would be better than stuck at base camp for eternity. But even if he has players capable of getting to a semi or a final what then? We can worry about that if it happens I suppose but what will have changed with him from the last time. Will his sideline craft have improved? His ability to select and set up a team for the big ones? Will he still want to train the team himself in the old way? It ll go a long way but.... I think these are issues that needs to be addressed at that meeting. All very well stopping Micko getting the job but are we thinking the rest of it out? All very well for McStay and O Neill saying we need to get the best man for the job, but how in hell is anybody supposed to know who that could be? There is no name inside or outside the county, that is available, that jumps out at ye.
Imagine going back to Maughan again for the third time.........this would be the greatest joke of all. All of his last management efforts have ended in total failure....Crossmolina, St. Geralds(he had a super panel of players to work with), Ross, Mayo etc, etc, etc. They go on about Micko having only one trick up his sleeve in getting teams to do 30 laps of a field....Sir John is no better.......apart from the tan....post to post been his signature mark.
Will they have to bring Johnno back again when Maughan has finished???????????????????????????????????????????
As someone who has alway been anti Maughan since '96 & Chuckiegate, I have to say he's the most appealing, has twice taken us from nowhere to AIFs.
Honestly I'd take that again
Just shows you how bad things are in Mayo when we cannot even come up with a better candidate than Maughan........Mayo God help us.
Did anyone hear the rumour that Joe Cooney from Galway is in line for the job........
the hurling job that is! :D
Quote from: Coolio on August 31, 2010, 10:53:24 PM
Did anyone hear the rumour that Joe Cooney from Galway is in line for the job........
the hurling job that is! :D
A Tooreen a parallel Mayo Universe, maybe ye got it right with yer sport of choice.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 31, 2010, 10:35:46 PM
Just shows you how bad things are in Mayo when we cannot even come up with a better candidate than Maughan........Mayo God help us.
jeez saffronandblue ,your posts are way over the top as regards maughan.To say he was a complete failure is utter nonsense especially after the last 4 years of misery.The most we can ask for from any manager is to have the team very competive and play to the best of there ability and maughans teams usually done that.I for one would settle for that right now but it still seems to me that some of the knockmore posters would settle for 4 or 5 of there clubmen on the county team,rather than being successfull.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 31, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
As someone who has alway been anti Maughan since '96 & Chuckiegate, I have to say he's the most appealing, has twice taken us from nowhere to AIFs.
Honestly I'd take that again
Chuckiegate - Fcuk me :D :D :D
Next thing it will be Maughan who broke his leg in 1997
Actually history shows we always did better when there were no Knockmore men on a Mayo team that made the AIF, 3 county titles from the 3 years.
Anything of note happen at the CB executive meeting tonight does anyone know?
Quote from: mayo51 on August 31, 2010, 11:32:18 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 31, 2010, 10:35:46 PM
Just shows you how bad things are in Mayo when we cannot even come up with a better candidate than Maughan........Mayo God help us.
jeez saffronandblue ,your posts are way over the top as regards maughan.To say he was a complete failure is utter nonsense especially after the last 4 years of misery.The most we can ask for from any manager is to have the team very competive and play to the best of there ability and maughans teams usually done that.I for one would settle for that right now but it still seems to me that some of the knockmore posters would settle for 4 or 5 of there clubmen on the county team,rather than being successfull.
I don't believe that my comments are over the top. We have gone with Maughan twice before to no avail. In terms of Knockmore players, only Kilcoyne when fit should get on the team imo. The pattern of appointments have followed a very similar path, with politics been the most important consideration rather than football, which is sad. Surely there is 1 other person in the country who is better than Maughan????????????????? Obviously not, so why is he not in charge for the last 15 years.
Yes, he will make us more competitive than the last few years, which would not be hard. But in terms of tactical ability he falls far short of what is needed to take us over the line. Some of his tactical decisions and sustitutions in his most recent club game shows that he has not learned................a Tom Reilly type substitution handed Knockmore the game last weekend, ask anyone in Crossmolina and they will tell you that.
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Quote from: mayo51 on August 31, 2010, 11:32:18 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 31, 2010, 10:35:46 PM
Just shows you how bad things are in Mayo when we cannot even come up with a better candidate than Maughan........Mayo God help us.
jeez saffronandblue ,your posts are way over the top as regards maughan.To say he was a complete failure is utter nonsense especially after the last 4 years of misery.The most we can ask for from any manager is to have the team very competive and play to the best of there ability and maughans teams usually done that.I for one would settle for that right now but it still seems to me that some of the knockmore posters would settle for 4 or 5 of there clubmen on the county team,rather than being successfull.
I don't believe that my comments are over the top. We have gone with Maughan twice before to no avail. In terms of Knockmore players, only Kilcoyne when fit should get on the team imo. The pattern of appointments have followed a very similar path, with politics been the most important consideration rather than football, which is sad. Surely there is 1 other person in the country who is better than Maughan????????????????? Obviously not, so why is he not in charge for the last 15 years.
Yes, he will make us more competitive than the last few years, which would not be hard. But in terms of tactical ability he falls far short of what is needed to take us over the line. Some of his tactical decisions and sustitutions in his most recent club game shows that he has not learned................a Tom Reilly type substitution handed Knockmore the game last weekend, ask anyone in Crossmolina and they will tell you that.
Kevin McLoughlin?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 31, 2010, 10:56:24 PM
Quote from: Coolio on August 31, 2010, 10:53:24 PM
Did anyone hear the rumour that Joe Cooney from Galway is in line for the job........
the hurling job that is! :D
A Tooreen a parallel Mayo Universe, maybe ye got it right with yer sport of choice.
A parallel universe is right...But we also turn out more minor footballers than most football clubs so we can claim to live in everyone else's world at the same time... We just have a liking for smaller balls!
I don't think Maughan is the answer, he's been here before and it ended up with him being abused for not being sufficiently aware from a tactical standpoint, no reason to believe it would end any differently this time. The same people who are on here saying they would rather have Maughan and be in AIFs than losing to Sligo and Longford are the same ones who would be lambasting him if he lost a semi-final / final.
Micko would be an interesting gamble but for me it would be far too much of a gamble considering where we are.
I think we would be best going for Kearney / McGarry / Horan and give them their shot at the bigtime. Considering the low point we are at, it's an ideal opportunity for a new manager.
QuoteMayo board to meet with manager nominees
01 September 2010
Following a meeting of the Mayo county executive on Tuesday, the officers of the board will meet with all of those nominated for the position of Mayo senior team manager.
The board have been directed to compile a short list of candidates for the position.
Following this, a manager appointment committee will be appointed by the executive, and ratified by the county committee to interview those candidates.
What the hell does all of this mean?
Will the officers only put together a short-list from the nominees? Will they be able to discard the nominations of the club in preparing a short-list? Will Micko go for an interview? When will all of this take place?
This thing is being made up as we go along!
Horan yes , but maybe not yet.
After the JOM ballsup and the precarious state he left the team in . Mayo need a experienced manager to stop the rot . even if it was for just one year. As i don't for see any huge player changes next year Micko could work as a last hurray manager before a big clean out and new young manager comes in. Micko may not bring much in the way of modern coaching but he can fool/inspire them for one year and playing at full potential this year has shown in other games mayo have the squad to match any . when they are not being hobbled
players on their last chance/whole lot of mileage up as in i cant see them starting in 2 years with out and All ireland final appearance minimum in 2011 .
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T mort
C mort
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 31, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
As someone who has alway been anti Maughan since '96 & Chuckiegate, I have to say he's the most appealing, has twice taken us from nowhere to AIFs.
Honestly I'd take that again
I think we in Knockmore have to build a bridge and get over what happened in Maughan's previous tenures. He is the stand out candidate at the minute and we are at an all time low and he seems to be able to get us out of nowhere to AIFs, or damn near it anyway. I would take him to be honest.
I think I would take john maughan again, I hope if he gets it that he will be able to pick players from any club based on their merit. Mayo should have enough skilled players to do the business, the minors and u 21 teams are at least pointing this out and the display the latest minors put on was encouraging.
James horan and ray dempsey would be others I would like to see in the job, them all in together would be the ideal situation but maybe thats too much to expect.Either way the only way is up for Mayo and the county board are all that stand in the way. I would expect trouble if micko gets the nod, too far away to be doing the job right.
Tyrone aren't Division 1 anymore moysider! ANyway I wouldn't mind Horan either...just the fact that he's young and would approach the games with his own modern ideas, which might/will be needed to freshen things up.
I dont think the Rhubarb Co Board can choose a manager till this thread hits 100 pages :D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2010, 08:56:07 PM
Tyrone aren't Division 1 anymore moysider! ANyway I wouldn't mind Horan either...just the fact that he's young and would approach the games with his own modern ideas, which might/will be needed to freshen things up.
It s not a question of who we would n't mind anymore it s who we get. As far as I understand it, if Maughan and Micko don't appear before the interview board they cannot be given the job? Is that correct?
I doubt very much if either Maughan or Micko would be disposed to the indignity of being interviewed after what they ve done in the past. If that is the case then, whatever we think about them on here, probably the two most popular candidates among the public would be out of the race. Even more bizarre they are the 2 fellas the executive wanted as well.
Why would the 3rd coming of Sir John be any different than the 2nd coming of his compadre Johnno. Surely what we need is a clean slate, new ideas, and (Dear Santa) the Co Board to back off and give one of our own some breathing room to develop a squad over a few years without hype and expectation. We have the talent at minor and U'21 coming through, leave it to one man and HIS selectors to do a job over a 3 year period.
Forget about Johns and Mickos. They have all chuckied their lá's.
lets hope mmicko stays in wicklow. Mayo are heading no were :D
Quote from: Maigheo Abu on September 02, 2010, 10:42:16 PM
Why would the 3rd coming of Sir John be any different than the 2nd coming of his compadre Johnno. Surely what we need is a clean slate, new ideas, and (Dear Santa) the Co Board to back off and give one of our own some breathing room to develop a squad over a few years without hype and expectation. We have the talent at minor and U'21 coming through, leave it to one man and HIS selectors to do a job over a 3 year period.
Forget about Johns and Mickos. They have all chuckied their lá's.
I d be inclined to agree.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2010, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 31, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
As someone who has alway been anti Maughan since '96 & Chuckiegate, I have to say he's the most appealing, has twice taken us from nowhere to AIFs.
Honestly I'd take that again
I think we in Knockmore have to build a bridge and get over what happened in Maughan's previous tenures. He is the stand out candidate at the minute and we are at an all time low and he seems to be able to get us out of nowhere to AIFs, or damn near it anyway. I would take him to be honest.
f**k Larnaparka anyway. Only jokin Lar. But hold on a minute it s like only Knockmore were pissed off with some of that. That shite fucked us all up and while the Knockmore lads were huge omissions there were others too like Gary Ruane. I know that Knockmore people hate anybody else havin any good to say about Knockmore ( messes about with their siege mentality). But we do. Leavin out those guys didn't just piss off the Knockmores
QuoteThe Mayo county board have received a number of expressions of interest in the position of Mayo senior football manager other than from those who where already in the public domain, the Mayo Advertiser has learned.
Earlier this week the Mayo executive realised a statement outlining the next step in the process. Members of the county board have been in contact with Wicklow manager Mick O'Dwyer about the position and he remains in contention for the job, after being granted 10 days to make up his mind last Monday night. O'Dwyer's assistant in Wicklow and Mayo native Arthur French was in attendance at last Sunday's Mayo senior club championship quarter finals.
"There have been a few people who have expressed an interest the position to us, they could enter the process should the appointment committee decide to do so, there are two or three of them, mostly from outside the county," Mayo county board secretary Seán Feeney told the Advertiser. "They don't want to be in the public domain just yet, but they have said that they are interested in the position." However Feeney went on to say that those people could be ruled out of contention at Monday night's county board meeting. "We have had a very quick turn around to meet with the nominees before the meeting, and the decision will come down to the delegates. You don't know what the reaction will be from the floor on the night and they could decide the job wouldn't go to an outsider and that would rule a number of people out straight away. But this will all be decided on at the county board meeting."
The next few days promise to see a number of developments on the appointment of the next Mayo manager. The executive of the county board met on Tuesday night this week and laid out a road map towards the appointment of the man to take charge of the side. The three principal officers of the county board, chairman James Waldron, secretary Séan Feeney, and treasurer JP Lambe, will meet with the four men who have been nominated for the position, James Horan, Anthony McGarry, Denis Kearney and John Maughan, to sound out if they are interested in the position and who they will be bringing along with them in their managment team. Following on from this process they will compile a shortlist for the position from those who are nominated.
The next step will be to appoint a managment appointment committee, who will be appointed by the executive and put before Monday's county board meeting to be ratified by the delegates. The terms of the interview committee will be drawn up and approved and the committee will go about interviewing the candidates. They can at this stage approach other people about the position if they wish and interview them before making a recommendation to be voted on by the delegates.
Heard it from a v strong armagh source last night that the mayo supporters club have had preliminary discussions with the Geezer.
His 3 years are up in Kildare...
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Zero chance Geezer would every contemplate the likes of Mayo.
And it would go against everything the man stands for to walk out on a group of lads that he has worked closely with except if he wanted a break from it or for Armagh.
All is not well in kildare with the county board.
He's given them 3 years and it wouldn't be out of place for him to take on another long term project now.
There's also the influence of a close mayo friend to consider
Good Lord! It seems Rossfan is correct afterall! :o What next!!!
Could you imagine Mc Geeney and Conor Mortimer getting on?
Quote from: rrhf on September 03, 2010, 10:08:42 AM
Could you imagine Mc Geeney and Conor Mortimer getting on?
He may be the man to sort out Conor Mortimer, (and a fair few others as well) you wouldn't know. I just hope we get it sorted sooner rather than later and that it's not Micko. Mayo play New York sometime in October and the manager whoever he is would have a nice holiday on his first game in charge as nobody really rates the FBD league.
Quote from: Uladh on September 03, 2010, 09:58:27 AM
All is not well in kildare with the county board.
He's given them 3 years and it wouldn't be out of place for him to take on another long term project now.
There's also the influence of a close mayo friend to consider
Who would this be?
Kevin O'Neill
Uladh you never smile either.
I'm an absolute ray of sunshine. According to me ma anyway
Quote from: Uladh on September 03, 2010, 02:00:32 PM
Kevin O'Neill
sure thats right they played for na fianna together . I wonder would he be interested , Geezer as manager with o' neill as one of his selectors ? Fair play uladh you have kept this thread going for another few days gives us mayo folk something to talk about it was getting fiierce quite on this thread
You have me.
But I do smile.
Promise
Now that the McGeeney / O'Neill story has gone public, I feel I can break a confidence and reveal that a second Mayo player is on the verge of a managerial coup that will shake the Cumann Luchleas Gael to its foundations all over the country.
I've been told by reliable sources that Conor Mortimer was in Madrid on his holidays this summer. While in the jacks of a nightclub, slashing away an evening's feed of Miwadi, in comes Jose Mourinho and assumes the position to the left of Conor. He takes wan glance at the Mort's magnificence, gasps, and says "My God! You, not I, really are the Special One!"
The Mort just tipped Jose the wink, to let him know the Mort was being cool with being addressed, but Mourinho hasn't got over it yet. He's been watching Purcell and Stockton on that Peil movie over and over, and now he's got the hang of the Gaelic. The Board are being flown out to Spain tomorrow by Mourinho's private jet to open negotiations. Mourinho has told close friends he will do "anything it takes" to be associated with The Mort, and whatever other bucks are tagging along. Watch this space.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 03, 2010, 04:02:19 PM
Now that the McGeeney / O'Neill story has gone public, I feel I can break a confidence and reveal that a second Mayo player is on the verge of a managerial coup that will shake the Cumann Luchleas Gael to its foundations all over the country.
I've been told by reliable sources that Conor Mortimer was in Madrid on his holidays this summer. While in the jacks of a nightclub, slashing away an evening's feed of Miwadi, in comes Jose Mourinho and assumes the position to the left of Conor. He takes wan glance at the Mort's magnificence, gasps, and says "My God! You, not I, really are the Special One!"
The Mort just tipped Jose the wink, to let him know the Mort was being cool with being addressed, but Mourinho hasn't got over it yet. He's been watching Purcell and Stockton on that Peil movie over and over, and now he's got the hang of the Gaelic. The Board are being flown out to Spain tomorrow by Mourinho's private jet to open negotiations. Mourinho has told close friends he will do "anything it takes" to be associated with The Mort, and whatever other bucks are tagging along. Watch this space.
:D :D :D good man icc
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2010, 12:54:06 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2010, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 31, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
As someone who has alway been anti Maughan since '96 & Chuckiegate, I have to say he's the most appealing, has twice taken us from nowhere to AIFs.
Honestly I'd take that again
I think we in Knockmore have to build a bridge and get over what happened in Maughan's previous tenures. He is the stand out candidate at the minute and we are at an all time low and he seems to be able to get us out of nowhere to AIFs, or damn near it anyway. I would take him to be honest.
f**k Larnaparka anyway. Only jokin Lar. But hold on a minute it s like only Knockmore were pissed off with some of that. That shite fucked us all up and while the Knockmore lads were huge omissions there were others too like Gary Ruane. I know that Knockmore people hate anybody else havin any good to say about Knockmore ( messes about with their siege mentality). But we do. Leavin out those guys didn't just piss off the Knockmores
Bejasus, moysider, you gave me quite a shock! When I read the first sentence here, I though Tubberman had returned to take up his thought police duties once more.
Sadly, it was not to be- I miss him as I used to enjoy his diatribes. Things have gone fierce quiet here of late.
On a slightly more serious note, I realise that Knockmore isn't the only place where Maughan's second return wouldn't bring crowds out onto the street- unless it was to erect barricades!
The good GAA supporters in Foxford and probably a good few others places might have serious misgivings also.
I have no doubt that John Maughan is an honest and highly motivated individual and gives his best wherever he goes. But the problem is that he has gone to a lot of places and controversy followed him wherever he went.
Is there any reason to expect that the proverbial leopard has now changed his proverbial spots?
I think his last spell with Mayo was terminated by common consent of all concerned; manager, CB, players and the general public. All felt that he had brought the team as far as he could go. I would maintain that this was the only time when he stepped down without acrimony from any quarter.
But, having said all that, I can't see Maughan even contemplating taking on the job. I'd agree with you that neither he nor Micko would risk turning up for an interview without getting a cast iron guarantee in advance that the job was theirs and two into one won't go.
My money is still on James Horan but if the Geezer rumour should turn out to be true, I think he might just be the answer to our prayers.
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As someone who has alway been anti Maughan since '96 & Chuckiegate, I have to say he's the most appealing, has twice taken us from nowhere to AIFs.
Honestly I'd take that again
I think we in Knockmore have to build a bridge and get over what happened in Maughan's previous tenures. He is the stand out candidate at the minute and we are at an all time low and he seems to be able to get us out of nowhere to AIFs, or damn near it anyway. I would take him to be honest.
f**k Larnaparka anyway. Only jokin Lar. But hold on a minute it s like only Knockmore were pissed off with some of that. That shite fucked us all up and while the Knockmore lads were huge omissions there were others too like Gary Ruane. I know that Knockmore people hate anybody else havin any good to say about Knockmore ( messes about with their siege mentality). But we do. Leavin out those guys didn't just piss off the Knockmores
Bejasus, moysider, you gave me quite a shock! When I read the first sentence here, I though Tubberman had returned to take up his thought police duties once more.
Sadly, it was not to be- I miss him as I used to enjoy his diatribes. Things have gone fierce quiet here of late.
On a slightly more serious note, I realise that Knockmore isn't the only place where Maughan's second return wouldn't bring crowds out onto the street- unless it was to erect barricades!
The good GAA supporters in Foxford and probably a good few others places might have serious misgivings also.
I have no doubt that John Maughan is an honest and highly motivated individual and gives his best wherever he goes. But the problem is that he has gone to a lot of places and controversy followed him wherever he went.
Is there any reason to expect that the proverbial leopard has now changed his proverbial spots?
I think his last spell with Mayo was terminated by common consent of all concerned; manager, CB, players and the general public. All felt that he had brought the team as far as he could go. I would maintain that this was the only time when he stepped down without acrimony from any quarter.But, having said all that, I can't see Maughan even contemplating taking on the job. I'd agree with you that neither he nor Micko would risk turning up for an interview without getting a cast iron guarantee in advance that the job was theirs and two into one won't go.
My money is still on James Horan but if the Geezer rumour should turn out to be true, I think he might just be the answer to our prayers.
Completely the opposite in fact remember his interview after the Kerry game where he said it was up to the powers that be and he didn't look at all happy about it. So much so that he went running to the first team that came his way, there was no consent he would definitely have stayed on. If it really comes down between the two of them why shouldn't Micko have one go instead of Maughan having three although I'm not a big fan of manager merry-go-arounds either.
Quote from: Mac2 on September 03, 2010, 06:44:22 PM
Completely the opposite in fact remember his interview after the Kerry game where he said it was up to the powers that be and he didn't look at all happy about it. So much so that he went running to the first team that came his way, there was no consent he would definitely have stayed on. If it really comes down between the two of them why shouldn't Micko have one go instead of Maughan having three although I'm not a big fan of manager merry-go-arounds either.
Of course you are right. I was just trying to afford him any possible benefit of the doubt. The harsh fact is that Maughan never finished the course in a manner of speaking, wherever he went.
I think he may have finished out his appointed term with Clare but I know but he definitely wasn't implored to stay on by anyone of note. The sheep shaggists literally hounded him out and many of the Fermanagh panellists were reluctant to continue working with him. I think it's charitable to say that both of his stints with Mayo ended earlier than planned and to leave it at that.
I'm saying he got some expressions of regret and thanks for services rendered etc. etc. when he pulled out of the Mayo job last time around but he certainly wasn't encouraged to stay on by the players, CB or the majority of the supporters. If he was to be given yet another go, I'd wish him the very best but I'd fear the worst. I'd also feel that Micko should get the nod if it comes down to a straight choice between the two of them but the media attention he would attract could be off-putting for the team.
Managing a county team is no picnic and the more success the more the strain. Maughan s first stint with Mayo ended after the AISF defeat to Cork. I don't recall him being hounded out or anything Most would have had some sympathy for his efforts and the feeling was he had done all he could. Looking back his 4 years in charge were as close as we ve come to a golden era.
3 Connacht titles in those 4 years, beating Galway in championship 3 years out of 4. One of those wins was a hoodooo busting win over the AI champions in Tuam.
2 out of the 4 years Mayo played in AI finals.
Maughan won 2 out of his 3 AISFs in those years including a rare win over Kerry in 96 and a bludgeoning defeat of Offaly in 97.
If we compare that to the last 4 years it doesn't look too bad does it? In fact the only thing in recent years that compares with the best days of Maughan 96-99 was M&Ms defeat of Dublin 06.
Unfortunately Maughan will be remembered for the games lost than those he won. He wont complain. That s the way it goes. The 3 AI final matches were all winnable. Galway 98 was winnable. And probably the biggest slip-up of the whole lot - Cork 99 - is the one that is least mentioned.
I cannot help but remember the fact that Maughan played a midfielder in the 04 final who would hardly make a place at MF on a decent club team.
The result of that game may indeed have been a foregone conclusion - but the hammering we got was greatly assisted by selecting a midfield that was worse than useless while a class player sat warming the bench.
No...........not JM please!
Quote from: diehard on September 03, 2010, 11:27:58 PM
I cannot help but remember the fact that Maughan played a midfielder in the 04 final who would hardly make a place at MF on a decent club team.
The result of that game may indeed have been a foregone conclusion - but the hammering we got was greatly assisted by selecting a midfield that was worse than useless while a class player sat warming the bench.
No...........not JM please!
I'm with you Diehard. I think that's the single biggest knock on Maughan, bigger than any of the other accusations against him.
The result of that game was far from written in the stars. Kerry had been handed their hats by Meath in 2001, by Armagh in 2003 and Tyrone by 2004. They were without both Darragh Ó Sé and Séamus Moynihan. Maybe they were the better team but my God, there was no need to cede midfield to a Kerry whose self-doubt cannot have been far from the surface before a whistle was blown.
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Quote from: diehard on September 03, 2010, 11:27:58 PM
I cannot help but remember the fact that Maughan played a midfielder in the 04 final who would hardly make a place at MF on a decent club team.
The result of that game may indeed have been a foregone conclusion - but the hammering we got was greatly assisted by selecting a midfield that was worse than useless while a class player sat warming the bench.
No...........not JM please!
I'm with you Diehard. I think that's the single biggest knock on Maughan, bigger than any of the other accusations against him.
The result of that game was far from written in the stars. Kerry had been handed their hats by Meath in 2001, by Armagh in 2003 and Tyrone by 2004. They were without both Darragh Ó Sé and Séamus Moynihan. Maybe they were the better team but my God, there was no need to cede midfield to a Kerry whose self-doubt cannot have been far from the surface before a whistle was blown.
I was focusing more on his first term. But there is no doubt he made a few howlers that cost us all big time. His judgment did seem to be a bit off at times to say the least which is a shame because he had to be doing a lot right to have us in contention in the first place.
Not that I would be campaigning to have him a third term. To be honest I think his time has come and gone. Even his second term lacked the swagger of the first. A third term would be a bridge too far. I also think the attributes that worked well in term 1 would be of limited value now. In the mid 90 s we had plenty of good players but they were a leaderless rabble who had been stumbling from one crisis to another for years. The scenario is different now. We lack big natural athletes like Colm Mac, McHale, Fallon, Cahill, Brady and Nallen. The lads coming through now are a different breed. The culture has changed and these fellas are coached and play in more structured teams at Minor, U21 and Colleges level. The most important things that the next management bring to the set up is coaching and tactical expertise (if they knows their onions here the selection of the team falls into place) and physical conditioning expertise.
From the outside looking in, from what i'm reading, it looks like the search for a new Mayo manager is currently at the stage where the Co.Board are talking about setting up a committee whose job will be to set up another committee to oversee the creation of another committee to sift through the various candidates before giving club delegates a say in appointing the new messiah.
Is that oversimplifying the situation or have i got it all wrong ???
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 05, 2010, 07:00:36 PM
From the outside looking in, from what i'm reading, it looks like the search for a new Mayo manager is currently at the stage where the Co.Board are talking about setting up a committee whose job will be to set up another committee to oversee the creation of another committee to sift through the various candidates before giving club delegates a say in appointing the new messiah.
Is that oversimplifying the situation or have i got it all wrong ???
No, you're oversimplifying it.
Its more like:
the search for a new Mayo manager is currently at the stage where the Co.Board are talking about setting up a committee whose job will be to set up another committee to oversee the creation of another committee to sift through the various candidates before pretending to give club delegates a say in appointing the County Board's choice as the new messiah.Actually that might still be oversimplifying it...
So full County Board meeting tonight.
Anybody any the wiser after the weekend?
Word in the pub on Saturday night is that Micko is no longer a runner because of opposition from those in power and supporters. It seems everybody expects that it will be Maughan at this stage.
Maughan or Horan maybe??
when will the final decision be made? would both work as a team? at least they are locally based and in my opinion micko was a non runner because he was based too far away.
Quote from: Barney on September 06, 2010, 10:36:52 AM
So full County Board meeting tonight.
Anybody any the wiser after the weekend?
Word in the pub on Saturday night is that Micko is no longer a runner because of opposition from those in power and supporters. It seems everybody expects that it will be Maughan at this stage.
Looks like some warning shots were fired at the executive regarding Micko alright. However I m not sure the impression that supporters are all against Micko is accurate. I ve come across several who would love to see what he could do.
I know I would prefer Micko for a year or two than Maughan again.
Even though I would be against Micko I acknowledge there are a good number who would be curious like yourself moysider.
I think the shouting is coming from the anti-Micko brigade and that is what may be persuassive
So Tommy Lyons, Tommy Carr and Charlie Mulgrew have now been added to the list.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 06, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
So Tommy Lyons, Tommy Carr and Charlie Mulgrew have now been added to the list.
Where did you get this Peter?
If true we ve hit the bargain bin quicker than Tony Blair s book.
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So Tommy Lyons, Tommy Carr and Charlie Mulgrew have now been added to the list.
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Where's Luke Dempsey? Ya can't have a managerial debate without Luke Dempsey.,
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So Tommy Lyons, Tommy Carr and Charlie Mulgrew have now been added to the list.
Where did you get this Peter?
If true we ve hit the bargain bin quicker than Tony Blair s book.
Inside knowledge on the first two. Charlie Mulgrew is a rumour i have heard from a few. These rumours normally have come true.
It would be easier to make a list of people who aren't in the frame for the Rhubarb hot seat ;D
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Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 06, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
So Tommy Lyons, Tommy Carr and Charlie Mulgrew have now been added to the list.
Where did you get this Peter?
If true we ve hit the bargain bin quicker than Tony Blair s book.
Inside knowledge on the first two. Charlie Mulgrew is a rumour i have heard from a few. These rumours normally have come true.
Mulgrew did well with Fermanagh, got a county with a small panel of players to the 2004 semi-final where they made Mayo fight the whole way. Must be some reason that Donegal have not picked him though.
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Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 06, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
So Tommy Lyons, Tommy Carr and Charlie Mulgrew have now been added to the list.
Where did you get this Peter?
If true we ve hit the bargain bin quicker than Tony Blair s book.
Inside knowledge on the first two. Charlie Mulgrew is a rumour i have heard from a few. These rumours normally have come true.
Mulgrew did well with Fermanagh, got a county with a small panel of players to the 2004 semi-final where they made Mayo fight the whole way. Must be some reason that Donegal have not picked him though.
Brilliant, the two Tommies eh... Lord, Ross4life's pic sums it all up!
Ye have to give it to the rossies in the wit and banter stakes AI champs everytime :D
Jasus Sligonian ... ye won nearly as many trophies as us this year !!!!
"Divsion 3 Champions 2010
All Ireland JFC Champions 2010
U16 Fr Manning Cup Champions 2010"
:D :D
The nomination of Tommy "Tom" Carr brings three words to mind: Bring back Johnno.
Jesus Christ lads. There's descending into farce and then there's this shyte. What sort of messing are they at?
Yeah its becoming a bit messy looking with a few n'er- do- wells seemingly sniffing around but I d say we ll come out of it well enough.
With Micko seemingly warned off the door has been left open for any puncher to have a shot. The latest I ve heard from someone close enough to Sir John is that he isn't interested in going for the job. However there is a difference between going for it and and doing it if he s asked to. But there is a possibility that the anti- micko lobby will now have to suffer somebody far less palatable. But that is only a possibility. It kinda has to be a local expenses- only set-up. Lads that want to and are able to do their county some service. Because we re broke. Word is that Big Joe and his high- tec entourage cost as much as 250k for a years work. Micko and his ways would be bargain compared to that. But the smart money is still Horan for me. If he comes up with some cheap science from within the county the job should be his.
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Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 06, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
So Tommy Lyons, Tommy Carr and Charlie Mulgrew have now been added to the list.
Where did you get this Peter?
If true we ve hit the bargain bin quicker than Tony Blair s book.
Inside knowledge on the first two. Charlie Mulgrew is a rumour i have heard from a few. These rumours normally have come true.
Can nobody spot a WUM when they see one????!!!!!
Still cannot believe any body takes petersolanthegreat seriously, or believes anything he says.All of the mayo posters are very good but there is always some fool trying to ruin every thread.I do not know how he escaped from the hogan stand and i wish they would bring him back >:(
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Still cannot believe any body takes petersolanthegreat seriously, or believes anything he says.All of the mayo posters are very good but there is always some fool trying to ruin every thread.I do not know how he escaped from the hogan stand and i wish they would bring him back >:(
Think its closer to the hospital in Castlebar he escaped from
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Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 06, 2010, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 06, 2010, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 06, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
So Tommy Lyons, Tommy Carr and Charlie Mulgrew have now been added to the list.
Where did you get this Peter?
If true we ve hit the bargain bin quicker than Tony Blair s book.
Inside knowledge on the first two. Charlie Mulgrew is a rumour i have heard from a few. These rumours normally have come true.
Can nobody spot a WUM when they see one????!!!!!
If it s wind up, we can do without it. Even the possibility of 'Tom Carr' or Lyons even being in the reckoning is enough to put any of us in to a terminal tailspin.
if those names have been added to the list this is a bigger mess than we ever guessed it could become.
Hard to know whether Maughan is still the best man for us but one thing is certain the bad luck of the sacking of Mickey Moran could be cursing us for another while yet.
Horan does look strong right now.
Any word on the meeting tonight
Quote from: Barney on September 06, 2010, 11:46:29 PM
if those names have been added to the list this is a bigger mess than we ever guessed it could become.
Hard to know whether Maughan is still the best man for us but one thing is certain the bad luck of the sacking of Mickey Moran could be cursing us for another while yet.
Horan does look strong right now.
Any word on the meeting tonight
Brilliant! Looks like we might owe Peter Solan The Great an apology! Early dispatches from tonight's meeting would seem to confirm that indeed Lyons and Carr have thrown their hat in ( would you blame them it s a mess). Hand s rubbing times to be sure. The other 5 have been about for weeks, Sir John, Micko, McGarry, Horan,Kearney.
But wait a while. The guys that are doin the 'interviews' are the big hitters - not some sub comittee. Chairman, Sec. Treas. and incoming Chairman. This is big stuff if the couriers have it right. This is a brilliant exercise how to wield power and control. We re lucky to have these guys. No messin' around with these lads. There leavin nothin to chance.
Mind you if they give us either of the Toms/ Tommies, it's time for torches and pitchforks. I suspect that there may be a stalking horse in there though. What are the odds now on a Sir John- Tom Carr double team?
QuoteWhat are the odds now on a Sir John- Tom Carr double team?
It would be so illogical to appoint two men to do the job that have been run out of Roscommon that it might just happen! We know they are close friends but would the Board pay two sets of expenses.
I guess at this stage that it is one of seven. No more openings.
It is an awful indictment of the Board that some of the better candidates that have not gone forward would not be prepared to work with the Board. While the poisoned background politics goes on we are going nowhere and I think you would get very low odds on us having the same debate this time next year.
i thought peter ford would have done a good job - did well with sligo, well with galway winning an u21 with them and looking at how they have faired since he left prob did all he could with them at that juncture. had turned castlebar into potential county champions by removing their 'plenty of talent but no substance' tag of previous years and injecting steel into their displays. mayo could do with some of the same
even more amateur than i thought, micko and now lyons or carr? we are definetly worth laughing about.
The record number of pages for a new Manager Thread is Armagh with 63....
we can win this one lads!
if tommy lyons or tommy carr get the mayo job i'll never go to another mayo match again . for fcuk sake carr has been a failure wherever he went
At least Lyons has won something. Carr has never tasted any success as a manager. Nothing but failure and has criticised Mayo teams quite vociferously in the past - no way. I would have no time for Lyons either - comes across as a complete bluffer.
I wonder are the Board deliberately dragging this out so nothing can happen before January and so cut down on expenses?
First you needed a letter to be nominated, then the Board could add anybody if they were interested, then interviews were to take place which didn't happen and now they want documents put forward setting out plans. We are a long way from the inevitable final decision.
Mayo News has the latest anyway:
QuoteSeven in running for Mayo manager's job
Daniel Carey
Castlebar
FOOTBALL The seven candidates for the Mayo senior football manager's job have been given two weeks to submit their plans to a sub-committee of Mayo GAA Board.
John Maughan, James Horan, Denis Kearney, Anthony McGarry, Mick O'Dwyer, Tommy Lyons and Tommy Carr are all in the running, Chairman James Waldron told Monday night's meeting of Mayo GAA Board.
Michael Diskin (Castlebar Mitchels) proposed that each of the candidates should "outline their plans in document form" and explain how they would address the issues facing football in the county. "Let the best man jump the fence and the conditions you lay down", he said. The proposal was seconded by Alan Flannery (Ballinrobe).
A sub-committee made up of Chairman James Waldron, Secretary Sean Feeney, Treasurer JP Lambe and Vice-Chairman Paddy McNicholas will "go through" the information submitted, said the Chairman, who promised to report back to delegates before any interviews are held. A time-frame of two weeks has been set down for submissions.
It came at the end of a lengthy and sometimes tetchy debate. Two delegates described some of the candidates as "failed managers" and a number of delegates expressed a preference for a manager from within the county. Others said they had no objection to an outsider, and took exception to the use of the phrase "failed managers".
Club championship draws next Sunday
THE draw for the semi-finals of the Mayo Senior, Intermediate and Junior Football Championships will take place next Sunday, September 12. The draw is due to be held at McHale Park, Castlebar, with a provisional starting time of 8pm.
Paddy McNicholas, Chairman of Mayo's Competitions Control Committee, confirmed to Monday night's meeting of Mayo GAA Board that the semi-finals will be played on the last weekend in September. He added that the Mayo U-21 A, B and C finals will be played on Saturday, September 18, the same day as the Junior Football Championship quarter-final replay between Parke and Ardnaree.
Mayo U-21 and minor managers reappointed
RAY Dempsey and Tony Duffy are staying on as Mayo U-21 and minor manager respectively. Both had their positions ratified at Monday night's meeting of Mayo GAA Board. Hurling Board chairman John Hopkins said it was hoped to have a new Mayo senior hurling manager in place "in the next month".
20 Mayo clubs owe money
A total of €35,000 is owed by clubs to Mayo GAA Board from the Development Draw, membership, referees and some levies, Treasurer JP Lambe told Monday night's meeting.
The figure would, he said, "pay our interest for two months" and the Board would "have to get these cheques" when clubs are collecting All-Ireland tickets. The Treasurer read out the names of 20 clubs who owed money, and said the Board would be "holding back" tickets "until we get the cheques".
Michael Heraty (Westport) said the Board should "stay away" from "blackmailing clubs" over All-Ireland tickets, while Alan Flannery (Ballinrobe) criticised the standard of invoices being sent by the County Board.
"We're not holding clubs to blackmail," said JP Lambe. "Only a few clubs owe substantial amounts ... If clubs came to us at the start of the year and were co-operative, it would be much easier."
Check out next week's Mayo News for a more detailed account of the meeting.
QuoteLyons in race for Mayo job
Former Dubs boss joins the shortlist of interested parties
Mike Finnerty
RTÉ Sunday Game pundit Tommy Lyons, a native of Castlebar, is officially in the race to be the next Mayo senior football manager.
The former Offaly and Dublin boss told The Mayo News last night (Monday) that he would be "honoured" to be the next Mayo manager if chosen.
Club delegates were expected to be informed of Lyons' intentions at last night's Mayo GAA Board meeting in Castlebar where the 'management appointment committee' was also expected to be finalised.
Lyons (50) joins John Maughan, James Horan, Mick O'Dwyer, Denis Kearney and Anthony McGarry in the running for the vacant post, while there has also been some speculation that ex-Dublin, Roscommon and Cavan boss, Tommy Carr, is interested.
"I was asked if I'd let my name go forward and I said that it would be an honour to be involved, to manage Mayo," said Tommy Lyons.
"At the same time, if they want to go with a local guy, a local candidate, then I won't stand in their way. But, I'd like to think I'm a passionate Mayo man too, having lived in Castlebar until I was 11 years of age."
Lyons, whose father, Tansey, is a native of Louisburgh, also added that he "wasn't in it for the money". "I'd be honoured to be involved with a Mayo team if I was wanted," he concluded.
The identity of John O'Mahony's successor remains extremely uncertain and club delegates were expected to air their views at last night's County Board meeting at McHale Park.
They were also expected to be asked to ratify the 'selection committee' which will interview the candidates.
Interestingly, the Mayo senior team management was only one of nine items on the agenda for last night's meeting.
Tony Duffy and Ray Dempsey were expected to be reappointed as Mayo minor and U-21 managers respectively, while the pressing issues of fund-raising, the Mayo GAA development draw and finance were also down for discussion.
Sean Rice criticsed Mick O'Dwyer last week but every week seems to be pushing the views of Liam O'Neill who doesn't even live in the country. While he does have good points to make surely Micko deserves the same respect from the writer:
QuoteWhat direction will Mayo take?
ENSCONCED though he is in far away San Diego, Liam O'Neill has not lost touch with developments on the Gaelic football fields of this country.
A Galway man, who developed a passion for physical and mental fitness, even before losing three senior All-Ireland finals with his native county, O'Neill believes that a winning culture will be rediscovered in Mayo football only when a positive programme for under age players is fully implemented.
Elsewhere on these pages he advocates the appointment of a director of football to cater mainly for the successful transition of players from minor level to the higher grades. He lists the requisite qualities with which the director ought to be equipped and the development programme to be implemented in order to achieve the necessary level of excellence.
At first glance the programme — embracing players from sixteen and upwards — might seem an impracticable approach for young amateur footballers, but a similar system of development is the norm in many counties especially in the North of Ireland from which outstanding minor teams have emerged in recent years.
O'Neill claims his proposals are no different than those drawn up by Martin Carney, Kevin McStay, John Prenty, Seamus Gallagher and others five years ago after painstaking preparatory work, a programme that was never implemented.
I don't know what stage the proposed County Board review of football in Mayo has reached, but serious consideration of those recommendations is vital in any review if Mayo football is ever to recapture old glory.
Meanwhile, the search for a new manager continues. In addition to John Maughan, James Horan, Anthony McGarry and Denis Kearney, it is understood the names of Tommy Carr and Tommy Lyons may be added.
They have had stints as manager of Dublin, and Carr has just finished up his reign as boss of Cavan. Only last week I was reminded by the eagle-eyed Billy Murphy in Castlebar that contrary to what I had stated previously, Tommy Lyons is not a native of Louisburgh. He was born in Castlebar; his father, also Tommy, came from Louisburgh.
Neither Tommy Lyons nor Carr are considered serious contenders for the Mayo post despite the managerial experience of each. It seems that Mick O'Dwyer and John Maughan are the front runners, with James Horan in close pursuit.
A meeting of Mayo GAA Board was due to be held last night (Monday) to update delegates on the progress made to select the new boss.
One eligible person, who has not been nominated, is Peter Ford. The word is that the former Sligo and Galway boss is not interested in the post, but his credentials are so impressive that it behoves those delegated to conduct the interviews to make serious attempts to win his interest.
In Galway, nominations from clubs for a new manager were to have been submitted by yesterday (Monday)-. Mick O'Dwyer is among those mentioned in what is regarded as a wide open race.
Former Laois and Limerick manager Liam Kearns is also being suggested as a possible candidate. Others include former Dublin selector Brian Talty, Alan Mulholland, Gerry Fahy and former Caltra and Clare manager, Frank Doherty.
Quote from: Barney on September 07, 2010, 01:53:38 PM
I wonder are the Board deliberately dragging this out so nothing can happen before January and so cut down on expenses?
Do you know Barney, I'm not sure that would be all that bad an idea?
Moysider has mentioned before about how a manager can be undermined when a new chairman takes over. Why not park this, let the new Chairman take over and then see where we are.
What's the rush? The only fixture that's on before Christmas is the FBD Final in New York and they could have Feeney himself manage the team for that. All he has to do is make sure no-one falls off the Brooklyn Bridge when they're out on the town getting hammered that weekend. The process is clearly farcical at this stage and maybe a step back is called for, to give people a chance to have a bit of sense.
If Tommy Lyons gets the job in Mayo (he's a native Mayoean right?) then will 'Arseboxing' re-enter the vernacular? I love that saying.
Carr did quite well with a very limited dublin team. However that dublin team would have climbed Everest had he asked them to. Not many can inspire that.
He also did very well with Roscommon until they objected to him wanting lads off booze coming into the championship. Hardly unreasonable demand.
So its pretty incorrect to call the man a failure. He may be limited but he isn't the idiot depicted here.
Slightly ironic Johnson came out in hsi favour when he is the only player Cavan have worth talking about. Its not Tommy's job to be checking out every pub in Cavan looking for his players.
If given a choice between Lyons and Carr. Its Carr every day of the week.
Mayo unfortunately is a thankless task like the Dublin job. Limited players judged by all-ireland winning standards by their fans. Impossible task for any manager currently in my view>
What has he won as a manager Indiana ? Have any of the teams that he managed actually improved while he managed him ? As far as i can see all he is good at is self promoting . Didn't some team offer him 25k a few years back to manage them according to tommy himself
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2010, 03:49:02 PM
Carr did quite well with a very limited dublin team. However that dublin team would have climbed Everest had he asked them to. Not many can inspire that.
He also did very well with Roscommon until they objected to him wanting lads off booze coming into the championship. Hardly unreasonable demand.
So its pretty incorrect to call the man a failure. He may be limited but he isn't the idiot depicted here.
Slightly ironic Johnson came out in hsi favour when he is the only player Cavan have worth talking about. Its not Tommy's job to be checking out every pub in Cavan looking for his players.
If given a choice between Lyons and Carr. Its Carr every day of the week.
Mayo unfortunately is a thankless task like the Dublin job. Limited players judged by all-ireland winning standards by their fans. Impossible task for any manager currently in my view>
In fairness he wanted them to stop playing pool as well.
And they love their pool in Roscommon.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2010, 03:22:12 PM
If Tommy Lyons gets the job in Mayo (he's a native Mayoean right?) then will 'Arseboxing' re-enter the vernacular? I love that saying.
But what does it mean AZ? I could never figure that out.
It's when lads bump off one another in one of those tiresome pretend 'rows'. Arses hitting off each other, but nothing serious being thrown.
Deel
He did as well as he could with Dublin
Roscommon got to an all ireland quarter final losing to Kerry which was hardly a disgrace
Cavan players are jokeshop Kofe Annan couldnt manage them
Im not saying hes the best man for the job
He is a decent manager
It took two years for Dublin to put the Lyons era behind them
Whether Lyons has learned the relevent lessons from that is hard to say
If you want my advice give it to someone who works on the ground in Mayo these big name managers (outside) rarely if ever work
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2010, 04:43:46 PM
Deel
He did as well as he could with Dublin
Roscommon got to an all ireland quarter final losing to Kerry which was hardly a disgrace
Cavan players are jokeshop Kofe Annan couldnt manage them
Im not saying hes the best man for the job
He is a decent manager
It took two years for Dublin to put the Lyons era behind them
Whether Lyons has learned the relevent lessons from that is hard to say
If you want my advice give it to someone who works on the ground in Mayo these big name managers (outside) rarely if ever work
i agree with you there Indiana
Quote from: highorlow on June 09, 2010, 10:21:30 AM
Is it just me or is our timing always wrong with players coming through and managers to manage them....
i.e. If we had a team in 2010 with a spine of Nallen, Brady, McDonald and K.O'Neill then we would probably have a chance of winning this years AI, particularly based on the standards set so far.
I don't think the AI will take much winning this year and with no disrespect intended one of the following teams will probably win it;
Down
Dublin
Monaghan
with the likely winner the Dubs.
If only Johnno had players to select from today that we had in 96, 97 and 06.
A new manager won't make a bit of difference. We have only 3 or 4 natural footballers in the panel.
just going through the thread and fair play to you high or low you had 2 of the semi finalists picked back in June, doubt many others would have picked Down or Dublin back then
Fair play highorlow.
I think these chances will be there in the championship in the next few seasons.
A good manager with the support of the County Board could have us competing consistently at Quarter Final level and from there you just never know.
A "Yes" man or somebody without the burning desire to succeed and who will not push the County Board to the limit will get nowhere and this year will be repeated many times.
Rank the seven in your order of preference:
1. James Horan - why not see who he can bring on board and give him a chance.
2. John Maughan - the safe default position.
3. Micko
4. Tommy Lyons.
5. Denis Kearney.
6. Anthony McGarry.
7. Tommy Carr.
1 Horan
2 Kearney
3 Maughan
4 Micko
5 McGarry
6 Lyons
7 Carr.
1.Horan
2.McGarry
3.Kearney
4.Micko
5.Maughan
6.Lyons
7.Carr
p.s. I did't take the Tyrone posters advice and back either of Down, Dublin or Monaghan for the AI . But I did take the large 11/4 that the Dubs were given against Tyrone anyhow... ;)
1. Micko. The only chance we ll get to see what he can do for us.
2. Horan.
3 . McGarry.
4. Kearney.
5. Maughan.
1.Kearney
2.Maughan
3.Horan
4.McGarry
5.Micko
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47.Lyons
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133 austin o malley
134. john o mahony
135.Carr
1. Horan
<distant> 2. Maughan
For what its worth, IMO Horan has the most by far to bring to the table.
I know he wouldnt leave a stone unturned in any aspect of the job. Im not sure who he would have with him, but my guess would be he would be looking at some of the best as regards a backroom team as he demands such high standards.
Resorting back to Maughan would be a step backwards although to his credit he almost got us over the line and is responsible for bringing on football in the county, and indeed the game at national level. But perhaps he has had his time.
1. Horan
2. Kearney
Unless that rumour about McGeeney has any substance we shouldn't entertain anyone else out from those two lads.
Quote from: stephenite on September 07, 2010, 11:49:42 PM
1. Horan
2. Kearney
Unless that rumour about McGeeney has any substance we shouldn't entertain anyone else out from those two lads.
:D
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Quote from: AbbeySider on September 07, 2010, 11:29:01 PM
1. Horan
<distant> 2. Maughan
For what its worth, IMO Horan has the most by far to bring to the table.
I know he wouldnt leave a stone unturned in any aspect of the job. Im not sure who he would have with him, but my guess would be he would be looking at some of the best as regards a backroom team as he demands such high standards.
Resorting back to Maughan would be a step backwards although to his credit he almost got us over the line and is responsible for bringing on football in the county, and indeed the game at national level. But perhaps he has had his time.
That s what bothers me. Not about Horan, mind you. After what the last guy promised as cutting edge and then ..... well I dunno. I m sure Horan s cop is better and he has somebody in mind with the science to do the physical stuff. The thing is in Mayo, the best - well those in mainstream football are basically club lads doin a job. He ll have to look elsewhere because sweat and spit wont do any more. As importantly - and maybe more importantly - he has to know that he is the main man and is the most important voice in these players head s. The flavour of the month guest speakers and sport psychos can not do the work of the manager/coach. They need short shift.
Quote from: stephenite on September 07, 2010, 11:49:42 PM
1. Horan
2. Kearney
Unless that rumour about McGeeney has any substance we shouldn't entertain anyone else out from those two lads.
McGeeney not in the mix. It s between those seven only now.
1. Horan
2. Horan
3. Horan
The rest are also rans.
1. Kearney or Horan (still a little concerned about his experience as a manager, but would row in behind him ahead of the rest)
2. Do not know enough about McGarry as a manager.
Micko pie in the sky, some eejitt in Dublin conceived this idea.
"what do you think Bernard" (Tommy Lyons for those of you not lucky enough to have seen him on the Sunday game) should not be even considered, would love to know who proposed him.
One conspiracy theory worth mentioning, is that Maughan and Tommy Carr (who I think is a genuine enough sort of a fella), are by all accounts close buddies, and it is hard to see them both letting themselves being interviewed, if there was not some prior arrangement that they would "manage" together. County board may buy into this as they probably have figured out the Maughan does not take football advice too kindly, and may require an equal to dispense same.
The reality of the entire issue, that not many seem to be focusing on, is that the county board is up to their arse in debt, and no matter who gets in will have very limited funds to work with. As a result they may not be able to put in place the backroom team they would want, i.e trainer, physio etc, (after listening to Eoin Kelly's speech thanking the Tipp supporters club, coupled with the influence of club tyrone, it is apparent that to have a successful county team, you need a boatload of financial support), with the amadans at the helm in Ballymagash, it is difficult to see anybody stepping up to the plate to fulfill this function.
Having said all that, expectations are very low, it is time to start afresh, lets give Denis Kearney or Jmaes Horan a shot.
Western have an interview with Tony McGarry.
Also say that Forde may yet be contacted. How would Peter fit into the picture if he was interested?
It is alarming and simple bad manners that nobody had spoken to McGarry given that he was nominated weeks ago. If somebody like Forde was approached he would not take part in a process and so if they want him the seven could all be ignored and his catapulted in! I don't see him going for it though.
QuoteRethink required urges McGarry
BY MICHAEL GALLAGHER
"Now is the time to address the ills of Mayo football and take a fresh approach." Those were the words of Anthony McGarry when he spoke to the Western People, as the race to fill the vacant Mayo senior manager's job got underway in earnest.
The former Mayo defender was speaking just hours before the county board met in Castlebar last Monday night where the appointment of a new manager was top of the agenda.
"We need change urgently, but it must be change for the right reasons. The focus of this whole process should be on what the various candidates bring to the table in terms of what they will do to change the fortunes of Mayo football. We need a whole rethink and a fresh approach. I'd love to get the job and I guarantee that if I did get it things would change. I would not replicate what others have done."
The Ballina-based gael believes strongly that a new approach must be brought to the preparation of our senior inter-county team. Experience gained from working under seven inter-county bainisteoirs and managing teams in Dublin, Mayo and at colleges level with IT Sligo has convinced McGarry that we need a more intense approach.
"We're not preparing well enough in terms of physicality, endurance and skill. These factors all tie in but physicality is the foundation on which everything is built," he continued.
"I haven't been contacted by anyone in the county board regarding my interest in the job but I hope that candidates will be questioned on how they will tackle what's wrong with Mayo football and what new approach they will bring to the job. If such procedures aren't followed I'll throw my hat at it. The only people to suffer in that situation will be the Mayo supporters and players," concluded the Mayo 0-40s footballer.
Another man hoping to get the opportunity to bring his own brand of change to the Mayo team is James Horan. The former All-Star has made an impressive start to club management with his native Ballintubber where his innovative ideas and new training methods mixed in with a direct style of football are reaping benefits.
"If the opportunity arose I would love to take the job and see what improvements could be achieved which would provide a strong platform to enable Mayo teams to consistently challenge for success," says Horan.
"I believe the overiding theme governing all players is that they must give it everything they've got, all of the time, based on sound footballing principles of honesty and desire," he explained.
The Ballintubber manager is renowned for his knowledge of players both inside and outside the county and has worked at close quarters with current Mayo minor manager, Tony Duffy and U-21 supremo, Ray Dempsey.
"I believe that all players who meet the criteria required to compete at inter-county level should be given a fair shot. I worked for many years with Tony and have been involved in the past also with Ray so I'd have a strong knowledge of the players on the underage conveyor that Mayo are producing. There's a big job of work to be done with the Mayo team and I'd love to be given the opportunity to do it," he concluded.
There are many names associated with the Mayo job but there is little doubt that both Horan and McGarry are serious options and are two men who would certainly call it as it is.
Lyons and Carr enter race
MEANWHILE, all GAA clubs in Mayo were contacted prior to last night's County Board meeting and advised only to send their appointed delegates to McHale Park, as discussion on the Mayo senior team management issue was again set to head the agenda, writes Anthony Hennigan.
It emerged over the weekend that the names of former Dublin managers Tommy Carr and Tommy Lyons (right), had been added to a list of candidates that includes Horan, McGarry, John Maughan, Denis Kearney and Kerry's Mick O'Dwyer.
Depending on the view of delegates last night, there's the possibility all seven men mentioned could be interviewed by a Management Appointment Committee that was due to be installed last night.
There was also speculation ahead of last night's meeting that former Sligo and Galway manager Peter Ford might still be approached concerning his availability for the vacancy.
Mayo GAA Chairman James Waldron was also expected to seek responses from clubs concerning their contributions to the county board's review of the state of football in Mayo.
What will we do for speculative threads if Mayo actually appoint a manager ?
QuoteWhat will we do for speculative threads if Mayo actually appoint a manager ?
Its nearly time to start looking at who we would have on our team for the league! ;D
Quote from: seafoid on September 08, 2010, 03:40:58 PM
What will we do for speculative threads if Mayo actually appoint a manager ?
By all accounts its going to be a long drawn out affair. We will see a caretaker manager appointed for the FBD league final in New York. This caretaker manager will be Tommy Lyons (Ballina)
peter ford said when he was managing galway that he knew he was on the right side of the border to win things, it stuck in my mind as words that would haunt him.
He won nothing.
Quote from: mannix on September 08, 2010, 05:11:20 PM
peter ford said when he was managing galway that he knew he was on the right side of the border to win things, it stuck in my mind as words that would haunt him.
He won nothing.
Well apart from a Connacht title and an U-21 All-Ireland.
i stand corrected on that one, but I actually meant to Sam Maguire. Anyway, I was struck by the words he said that day and wondered what would be made of them if the Mayo managers job was presented to him for consideration.
Words spoken after the u21 final I believe.
Quote from: seafoid on September 08, 2010, 03:40:58 PM
What will we do for speculative threads if Mayo actually appoint a manager ?
We'll start a thread on who the next Galway manager should be.
3 cheers for Johno !
The consensus view seems to be Horan.
As far as i know he works full time in Coca-Cola in Ballina and would have 3 or 4 kids in their early teenage years.
How the blazes would he have the time required ?
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 12:16:12 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 07, 2010, 11:29:01 PM
1. Horan
<distant> 2. Maughan
For what its worth, IMO Horan has the most by far to bring to the table.
I know he wouldnt leave a stone unturned in any aspect of the job. Im not sure who he would have with him, but my guess would be he would be looking at some of the best as regards a backroom team as he demands such high standards.
Resorting back to Maughan would be a step backwards although to his credit he almost got us over the line and is responsible for bringing on football in the county, and indeed the game at national level. But perhaps he has had his time.
That s what bothers me. Not about Horan, mind you. After what the last guy promised as cutting edge and then ..... well I dunno. I m sure Horan s cop is better and he has somebody in mind with the science to do the physical stuff. The thing is in Mayo, the best - well those in mainstream football are basically club lads doin a job. He ll have to look elsewhere because sweat and spit wont do any more. As importantly - and maybe more importantly - he has to know that he is the main man and is the most important voice in these players head s. The flavour of the month guest speakers and sport psychos can not do the work of the manager/coach. They need short shift.
Im not sure did you fully get my point on that one Moy. Firstly I dont think it would be fair to put JOMs appointments of the likes of Kielty with whoever Horan has in mind however I would guess that Horan would be looking for a strong team and probably demand the best and latest techniques and methods and would be open to learn from professional sports from AFL to rugby. In that respect and every other he would leave no stone unturned to find an edge. I have often said that Maughan had that edge in the mid 90's and was one of the first to introduce new training methods and gym work that gave us that edge in the mid 90's. Unfortunately IMO northern teams first matched and then surpassed us and munster teams were soon to follow and we were left behind. What im trying to get across is that Horan would be looking for such and is ambitious enough to bring things to a new level in Mayo.
Secondly Horan is a strong enough character and personality to be the main man and is a born leader so there would be no question about who the boss would be in anyone's mind.
Also from experience, we had the likes of Joe Kernan for talks as well as Kerian Shannon on several occasions for sports psycho sessions as well as individual sessions and from talking to guys and seeing the difference id be a huge advocate of it.
Quote from: mannix on September 08, 2010, 06:38:40 PM
i stand corrected on that one, but I actually meant to Sam Maguire. Anyway, I was struck by the words he said that day and wondered what would be made of them if the Mayo managers job was presented to him for consideration.
Words spoken after the u21 final I believe.
If he said that f**k him. He was too anxious to go off managing other counties for my liking. People also would do well to remember that he was with Maughan in the 96-99 years and seems to have gone along willingly with some of the costly decisions that were made.
he did actually say that. horan would probably have the time since he lives in Mayo. I mean if mick o dwyer was considered and he lives 4 or 5 hours away then a fella 30 odd years younger surely could find time. Mind you the club he is managing may not be so crazy about the development.
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 08, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 12:16:12 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 07, 2010, 11:29:01 PM
1. Horan
<distant> 2. Maughan
For what its worth, IMO Horan has the most by far to bring to the table.
I know he wouldnt leave a stone unturned in any aspect of the job. Im not sure who he would have with him, but my guess would be he would be looking at some of the best as regards a backroom team as he demands such high standards.
Resorting back to Maughan would be a step backwards although to his credit he almost got us over the line and is responsible for bringing on football in the county, and indeed the game at national level. But perhaps he has had his time.
That s what bothers me. Not about Horan, mind you. After what the last guy promised as cutting edge and then ..... well I dunno. I m sure Horan s cop is better and he has somebody in mind with the science to do the physical stuff. The thing is in Mayo, the best - well those in mainstream football are basically club lads doin a job. He ll have to look elsewhere because sweat and spit wont do any more. As importantly - and maybe more importantly - he has to know that he is the main man and is the most important voice in these players head s. The flavour of the month guest speakers and sport psychos can not do the work of the manager/coach. They need short shift.
Im not sure did you fully get my point on that one Moy. Firstly I dont think it would be fair to put JOMs appointments of the likes of Kielty with whoever Horan has in mind however I would guess that Horan would be looking for a strong team and probably demand the best and latest techniques and methods and would be open to learn from professional sports from AFL to rugby. In that respect and every other he would leave no stone unturned to find an edge. I have often said that Maughan had that edge in the mid 90's and was one of the first to introduce new training methods and gym work that gave us that edge in the mid 90's. Unfortunately IMO northern teams first matched and then surpassed us and munster teams were soon to follow and we were left behind. What im trying to get across is that Horan would be looking for such and is ambitious enough to bring things to a new level in Mayo.
Secondly Horan is a strong enough character and personality to be the main man and is a born leader so there would be no question about who the boss would be in anyone's mind.
Also from experience, we had the likes of Joe Kernan for talks as well as Kerian Shannon on several occasions for sports psycho sessions as well as individual sessions and from talking to guys and seeing the difference id be a huge advocate of it.
I would be very positive about Horan anyway but it is reassuring to hear that kind of stuff from somebody that knows him well. It would be great if the new manager actually gave us a top physical trainer rather than talk about cutting edge and and then present us with a wooden sword.
I don t have a problem with guest speakers and sports psychologists as such. But at the end of the day the players have to perform for the manager. He s the main man for getting into their heads.
Quote from: mannix on September 08, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
he did actually say that. horan would probably have the time since he lives in Mayo. I mean if mick o dwyer was considered and he lives 4 or 5 hours away then a fella 30 odd years younger surely could find time. Mind you the club he is managing may not be so crazy about the development.
I believe you Mannix that he said that. Not doubting you, just must have missed it at the time. Just as well cause I d have broken something around the house. That s him finished anyway. Maybe Galway will have him back. He did as well as the 2 since and cost a lot less than the last fella - and the football played was similar.
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 09:29:14 PM
Quote from: mannix on September 08, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
he did actually say that. horan would probably have the time since he lives in Mayo. I mean if mick o dwyer was considered and he lives 4 or 5 hours away then a fella 30 odd years younger surely could find time. Mind you the club he is managing may not be so crazy about the development.
I believe you Mannix that he said that. Not doubting you, just must have missed it at the time. Just as well cause I d have broken something around the house. That s him finished anyway. Maybe Galway will have him back. He did as well as the 2 since and cost a lot less than the last fella - and the football played was similar.
I remember him saying that as well
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 09:29:14 PM
Quote from: mannix on September 08, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
he did actually say that. horan would probably have the time since he lives in Mayo. I mean if mick o dwyer was considered and he lives 4 or 5 hours away then a fella 30 odd years younger surely could find time. Mind you the club he is managing may not be so crazy about the development.
I believe you Mannix that he said that. Not doubting you, just must have missed it at the time. Just as well cause I d have broken something around the house. That s him finished anyway. Maybe Galway will have him back. He did as well as the 2 since and cost a lot less than the last fella - and the football played was similar.
I think his bitterness, in part anyway, is down to the fact that he felt he was badly treated by the CB when he showed an interest in the Mayo manager's job and that his application wasn't taken seriously. That's what a mutual friend told me anyway.
The oul' memory has gone a bit flaky on me but I think it was the time Maughan stood down in 2004 and before Ford took up the Galway job.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 08, 2010, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 09:29:14 PM
Quote from: mannix on September 08, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
he did actually say that. horan would probably have the time since he lives in Mayo. I mean if mick o dwyer was considered and he lives 4 or 5 hours away then a fella 30 odd years younger surely could find time. Mind you the club he is managing may not be so crazy about the development.
I believe you Mannix that he said that. Not doubting you, just must have missed it at the time. Just as well cause I d have broken something around the house. That s him finished anyway. Maybe Galway will have him back. He did as well as the 2 since and cost a lot less than the last fella - and the football played was similar.
I think his bitterness, in part anyway, is down to the fact that he felt he was badly treated by the CB when he showed an interest in the Mayo manager's job and that his application wasn't taken seriously. That's what a mutual friend told me anyway.
The oul' memory has gone a bit flaky on me but I think it was the time Maughan stood down in 2004 and before Ford took up the Galway job.
IIRC he was annoyed that Co board would not guarantee the new manager to come from the lads being interviewed.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 08, 2010, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 09:29:14 PM
Quote from: mannix on September 08, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
he did actually say that. horan would probably have the time since he lives in Mayo. I mean if mick o dwyer was considered and he lives 4 or 5 hours away then a fella 30 odd years younger surely could find time. Mind you the club he is managing may not be so crazy about the development.
I believe you Mannix that he said that. Not doubting you, just must have missed it at the time. Just as well cause I d have broken something around the house. That s him finished anyway. Maybe Galway will have him back. He did as well as the 2 since and cost a lot less than the last fella - and the football played was similar.
I think his bitterness, in part anyway, is down to the fact that he felt he was badly treated by the CB when he showed an interest in the Mayo manager's job and that his application wasn't taken seriously. That's what a mutual friend told me anyway.
The oul' memory has gone a bit flaky on me but I think it was the time Maughan stood down in 2004 and before Ford took up the Galway job.
He was also team captain at the time of the player's revolt in '92. No way would that be forgotten or forgiven. In fairness to the man I remember an interview he did a few years ago where he did not appear comfortable with what had happened at the time and the distress/ embarrassment they caused to a decent man doing his best in his first year in the job. By comparison more recent managers have got away with murder. That coup achieved nothing I can put a finger on except inspire a few good cartoons in the press. Some of the conspirators had their chances of glory and blew it previous few years under other management. Later too they were involved in failure.
you are right lar. Your memory is a bit dodgy.when maughan stepped down in 1999 Ford was the fav to get the job but when the time came for his interview he refused to go as he had found out that pat holmes already had the job.I think that certain county board members still held a grudge against him over the brian mcdonald affair.Peter fords first year in charge of galway was 2005 and they won a connacht final and a u 21 all ireland.I would have always liked to see him given a chance to manage mayo as he always struck me as a straight forward guy and one who knew his football inside and out.
Quote from: mayo51 on September 08, 2010, 11:03:49 PM
you are right lar. Your memory is a bit dodgy.when maughan stepped down in 1999 Ford was the fav to get the job but when the time came for his interview he refused to go as he had found out that pat holmes already had the job.I think that certain county board members still held a grudge against him over the brian mcdonald affair.Peter fords first year in charge of galway was 2005 and they won a connacht final and a u 21 all ireland.I would have always liked to see him given a chance to manage mayo as he always struck me as a straight forward guy and one who knew his football inside and out.
Correct, he is a straightforward guy. But I have reservations about how he accepted some decisions as Maughan's No2 96-99. I don't doubt he knows the game inside - out. But if he does, he can not have been happy with some big calls there. In fact I know he wasn't. Yet he showed great loyalty to JM and went along with a few howler calls. Yet as team captain in 92 he was part of a coup that shafted their manager and made the county a laughing stock. Not much loyalty there. Ironically Ford lost his place on the team as well - so much for his judgment, he ended his own career. The manager was initially the laugh but as events transpired over the following few years it was the players and Mayo football that became the joke.
I don't see any reason to regret Ford being not on the shortlist. Cool and straightforward does not make up for the poor decisions he made in the past.
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: mayo51 on September 08, 2010, 11:03:49 PM
you are right lar. Your memory is a bit dodgy.when maughan stepped down in 1999 Ford was the fav to get the job but when the time came for his interview he refused to go as he had found out that pat holmes already had the job.I think that certain county board members still held a grudge against him over the brian mcdonald affair.Peter fords first year in charge of galway was 2005 and they won a connacht final and a u 21 all ireland.I would have always liked to see him given a chance to manage mayo as he always struck me as a straight forward guy and one who knew his football inside and out.
Correct, he is a straightforward guy. But I have reservations about how he accepted some decisions as Maughan's No2 96-99. I don't doubt he knows the game inside - out. But if he does, he can not have been happy with some big calls there. In fact I know he wasn't. Yet he showed great loyalty to JM and went along with a few howler calls. Yet as team captain in 92 he was part of a coup that shafted their manager and made the county a laughing stock. Not much loyalty there. Ironically Ford lost his place on the team as well - so much for his judgment, he ended his own career. The manager was initially the laugh but as events transpired over the following few years it was the players and Mayo football that became the joke.
I don't see any reason to regret Ford being not on the shortlist. Cool and straightforward does not make up for the poor decisions he made in the past.
We all have pasts Moysider. And none of us can go back and change them. We can only ever look ahead.
I remember that interview that Ford did when he regretted the 1992 mutiny. But I remember the Offaly hurlers mutinied against Babs and won an All-Ireland after. Cork, I believe, currently mutiny every forty days. I don't think mutinies, as such, are the problem.
I remember thinking at the time of the Mayo mutiny - and I was a younger man then, of course, age makes cowards of us all - that at least they cared. Mayo's performance in that semi against Donegal had been shocking. Something had to be done and the mutineers took their shot. We often talk about absence of leaders in the current Mayo team. The mutineers were leaders, whatever else they were. I have no problem with Ford's time as Fletcher Christian.
Don't care for his south of the border remark. I don't remember it being said but I care little for it. But again, I wouldn't hold it against him. Talk is cheap, really, at the end of the day.
I could live with the appointment of any of the original five nominees. There are arguments to be made for them all. The appointment of either Tommy would be very, very hard to deal with. But the groundswell on this board is for Horan so please God the Board will realise that he is now the People's Champion, hand him the orb and sceptre, and wish him all the best.
All very well put, Iolar. Maithiú!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 09, 2010, 12:22:05 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: mayo51 on September 08, 2010, 11:03:49 PM
you are right lar. Your memory is a bit dodgy.when maughan stepped down in 1999 Ford was the fav to get the job but when the time came for his interview he refused to go as he had found out that pat holmes already had the job.I think that certain county board members still held a grudge against him over the brian mcdonald affair.Peter fords first year in charge of galway was 2005 and they won a connacht final and a u 21 all ireland.I would have always liked to see him given a chance to manage mayo as he always struck me as a straight forward guy and one who knew his football inside and out.
Correct, he is a straightforward guy. But I have reservations about how he accepted some decisions as Maughan's No2 96-99. I don't doubt he knows the game inside - out. But if he does, he can not have been happy with some big calls there. In fact I know he wasn't. Yet he showed great loyalty to JM and went along with a few howler calls. Yet as team captain in 92 he was part of a coup that shafted their manager and made the county a laughing stock. Not much loyalty there. Ironically Ford lost his place on the team as well - so much for his judgment, he ended his own career. The manager was initially the laugh but as events transpired over the following few years it was the players and Mayo football that became the joke.
I don't see any reason to regret Ford being not on the shortlist. Cool and straightforward does not make up for the poor decisions he made in the past.
We all have pasts Moysider. And none of us can go back and change them. We can only ever look ahead.
I remember that interview that Ford did when he regretted the 1992 mutiny. But I remember the Offaly hurlers mutinied against Babs and won an All-Ireland after. Cork, I believe, currently mutiny every forty days. I don't think mutinies, as such, are the problem.
I remember thinking at the time of the Mayo mutiny - and I was a younger man then, of course, age makes cowards of us all - that at least they cared. Mayo's performance in that semi against Donegal had been shocking. Something had to be done and the mutineers took their shot. We often talk about absence of leaders in the current Mayo team. The mutineers were leaders, whatever else they were. I have no problem with Ford's time as Fletcher Christian.
Don't care for his south of the border remark. I don't remember it being said but I care little for it. But again, I wouldn't hold it against him. Talk is cheap, really, at the end of the day.
I could live with the appointment of any of the original five nominees. There are arguments to be made for them all. The appointment of either Tommy would be very, very hard to deal with. But the groundswell on this board is for Horan so please God the Board will realise that he is now the People's Champion, hand him the orb and sceptre, and wish him all the best.
I'm with you on most of that. But the stuff I've highlighted.
If you re looking for a managerial job a Chappaquiddick in the past is going to come back to haunt you.That s the way it goes.
Offaly went on and made something of their mutiny. With a manager, John Bond, that I ve haven't heard of since. We didn't. You would also have to ask ( if they cared so much) why the munity didn't happen earlier in 90/91 ( when these guys could have shown more balls). Those were equally shocking displays when we stalled in the province and we were doing nothing in the league either.Maybe it is because we only notice when things go belly up in Croke Park. Remember McDonald at least won a Connacht title in 92. Why then? In his first year? To their eternal discredit the the players brought up the car pushing exercise ( which didn't happen too often). That was the time Boylan had lads running up the Hill of Tara, cycling push bikes and rowing on the canal as training. But that was ok because Meath were winning things.
Johnno had left a bit of a mess which he has done twice since also. But those senior players did nothing in 90/91. McDonald and M&M have been the victims of different mutinies. The real targets have never been hit.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 09, 2010, 12:33:23 AM
All very well put, Iolar. Maithiú!
Hmmm. An alliance between Iolar and lar is a very challenging development.
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 08, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 12:16:12 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 07, 2010, 11:29:01 PM
1. Horan
<distant> 2. Maughan
For what its worth, IMO Horan has the most by far to bring to the table.
I know he wouldnt leave a stone unturned in any aspect of the job. Im not sure who he would have with him, but my guess would be he would be looking at some of the best as regards a backroom team as he demands such high standards.
Resorting back to Maughan would be a step backwards although to his credit he almost got us over the line and is responsible for bringing on football in the county, and indeed the game at national level. But perhaps he has had his time.
That s what bothers me. Not about Horan, mind you. After what the last guy promised as cutting edge and then ..... well I dunno. I m sure Horan s cop is better and he has somebody in mind with the science to do the physical stuff. The thing is in Mayo, the best - well those in mainstream football are basically club lads doin a job. He ll have to look elsewhere because sweat and spit wont do any more. As importantly - and maybe more importantly - he has to know that he is the main man and is the most important voice in these players head s. The flavour of the month guest speakers and sport psychos can not do the work of the manager/coach. They need short shift.
Im not sure did you fully get my point on that one Moy. Firstly I dont think it would be fair to put JOMs appointments of the likes of Kielty with whoever Horan has in mind however I would guess that Horan would be looking for a strong team and probably demand the best and latest techniques and methods and would be open to learn from professional sports from AFL to rugby. In that respect and every other he would leave no stone unturned to find an edge. I have often said that Maughan had that edge in the mid 90's and was one of the first to introduce new training methods and gym work that gave us that edge in the mid 90's. Unfortunately IMO northern teams first matched and then surpassed us and munster teams were soon to follow and we were left behind. What im trying to get across is that Horan would be looking for such and is ambitious enough to bring things to a new level in Mayo.
Secondly Horan is a strong enough character and personality to be the main man and is a born leader so there would be no question about who the boss would be in anyone's mind.
Also from experience, we had the likes of Joe Kernan for talks as well as Kerian Shannon on several occasions for sports psycho sessions as well as individual sessions and from talking to guys and seeing the difference id be a huge advocate of it.
I would be very positive about Horan anyway but it is reassuring to hear that kind of stuff from somebody that knows him well. It would be great if the new manager actually gave us a top physical trainer rather than talk about cutting edge and and then present us with a wooden sword.
I don t have a problem with guest speakers and sports psychologists as such. But at the end of the day the players have to perform for the manager. He s the main man for getting into their heads.
Just to finish that point Moy, I agree that the manager must be the guy who players respect, listen to and take heed of and follow through the wall if thats what it takes; and Horan would command that I reckon.
What a sports psycho session would do is teach players how to handle nerves, how to get the head right immediately if things go wrong in a game, help with focus before and during games and loads of other things. All that stuff could take a player years to learn on the pitch but so much can be taken from such sessions they can be invaluable IMO.
<BTW im not suggesting that I know of Horan having any of the kind lined up but such was the conversation I felt I needed to answer that one on guest speakers and sports psychologists ;)>
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 09, 2010, 01:15:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 08, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 08, 2010, 12:16:12 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 07, 2010, 11:29:01 PM
1. Horan
<distant> 2. Maughan
For what its worth, IMO Horan has the most by far to bring to the table.
I know he wouldnt leave a stone unturned in any aspect of the job. Im not sure who he would have with him, but my guess would be he would be looking at some of the best as regards a backroom team as he demands such high standards.
Resorting back to Maughan would be a step backwards although to his credit he almost got us over the line and is responsible for bringing on football in the county, and indeed the game at national level. But perhaps he has had his time.
That s what bothers me. Not about Horan, mind you. After what the last guy promised as cutting edge and then ..... well I dunno. I m sure Horan s cop is better and he has somebody in mind with the science to do the physical stuff. The thing is in Mayo, the best - well those in mainstream football are basically club lads doin a job. He ll have to look elsewhere because sweat and spit wont do any more. As importantly - and maybe more importantly - he has to know that he is the main man and is the most important voice in these players head s. The flavour of the month guest speakers and sport psychos can not do the work of the manager/coach. They need short shift.
Im not sure did you fully get my point on that one Moy. Firstly I dont think it would be fair to put JOMs appointments of the likes of Kielty with whoever Horan has in mind however I would guess that Horan would be looking for a strong team and probably demand the best and latest techniques and methods and would be open to learn from professional sports from AFL to rugby. In that respect and every other he would leave no stone unturned to find an edge. I have often said that Maughan had that edge in the mid 90's and was one of the first to introduce new training methods and gym work that gave us that edge in the mid 90's. Unfortunately IMO northern teams first matched and then surpassed us and munster teams were soon to follow and we were left behind. What im trying to get across is that Horan would be looking for such and is ambitious enough to bring things to a new level in Mayo.
Secondly Horan is a strong enough character and personality to be the main man and is a born leader so there would be no question about who the boss would be in anyone's mind.
Also from experience, we had the likes of Joe Kernan for talks as well as Kerian Shannon on several occasions for sports psycho sessions as well as individual sessions and from talking to guys and seeing the difference id be a huge advocate of it.
I would be very positive about Horan anyway but it is reassuring to hear that kind of stuff from somebody that knows him well. It would be great if the new manager actually gave us a top physical trainer rather than talk about cutting edge and and then present us with a wooden sword.
I don t have a problem with guest speakers and sports psychologists as such. But at the end of the day the players have to perform for the manager. He s the main man for getting into their heads.
Just to finish that point Moy, I agree that the manager must be the guy who players respect, listen to and take heed of and follow through the wall if thats what it takes; and Horan would command that I reckon.
What a sports psycho session would do is teach players how to handle nerves, how to get the head right immediately if things go wrong in a game, help with focus before and during games and loads of other things. All that stuff could take a player years to learn on the pitch but so much can be taken from such sessions they can be invaluable IMO.
Agree.
Looks like Sean Feeney wasn't one of the board members in favour of Micko anyway - he's ruled him out before the applications are in - he probably realises Micko hasn't a notion of filling out a questionnaire to become Mayo manager.
That's a positive bit of news in my book anyway.
If we could get a similar declaration on the Tommys I'd be a lot more confident about where we're headed (but I don't think anyone sees them as serious contendors anyway).
QuoteMeanwhile, Mick O'Dwyer appears to be out of the running for the Mayo football manager's position but county secretary Seán Feeney was able to confirm "expressions of interest" from former Dublin and Offaly manager Tommy Lyons, another former Dublin manager, Tommy Carr, and the possible return of John Maughan for a third stint in the role. O'Dwyer is due to return to Wicklow.
The Mayo clubs have also nominated Anthony McGarry, James Horan and Denis Kearney although no interview process has been set up yet. Feeney expects a recommendation to be put before county delegates in October.
"We believe Mick O'Dwyer is out of the running but his name is still in there," said Feeney.
"We will be sending out a questionnaire this week for the candidates to fill in and an interview process will be set up from there. Yes, we have been inundated with expressions of interest from some respected names."
Lyons is a native of Mayo, Carr recently finished up a stint with Cavan, while Maughan's last inter-county position was with Roscommon.
Hmmm, I wonder who these 'respected names' are?
Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2010, 01:09:43 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 09, 2010, 12:33:23 AM
All very well put, Iolar. Maithiú!
Hmmm. An alliance between Iolar and lar is a very challenging development.
Now, now, moysider, all I said was that my eminent friend puts his points very well; never said I agreed with him though! ;D
However, I do happen to agree with what Iolar has said; any divergences would be mere matters of emphasis.
Peter Ford and his mates left some unanswered questions behind them in the wake of the mutiny but it's now around 18 years on from that episode and I'd be inclined to judge him on his present credentials rather than on the part he played in bringing Brian McDonald down.
But the entire squad of players seemed to be united back then and Ford played a leader's part in pressing their demands. IMO, there had to be more substantial reasons for their unhappiness with McDonald than the ones they put forward at the time.
As you have said, it would be to their eternal discredit if being asked to push a few cars around a car park when the training pitch was waterlogged was a major reason for their angst.
I remember talking to a friend back then who was a former international rugby player and had played under a number of managers including Mick Doyle. I was filling him on developments as the row escalated and when I mentioned the car pushing episode, he damn near exploded!
He exclaimed, "What else could the f**king manager do when they all showed up and found they had nowhere to train?"
He went on to say that the most enjoyable and constructive training session he had attended was the first one held by Mick Doyle. It took place in Madigan's pub in Donnybrook!
The Donnybrook pitch was waterlogged also when they turned up to train and Doyler promptly led the way to Madigan's where they all had a good booze up and got to know each other in a way that couldn't have hapened on a training pitch. It was an extremely effective bonding session and it stood them in good stead for the years to come.
As for Brian using a horn to wake his players up, my buddy couldn't understand what the fuss was about. There was never a manager worth his salt, sez he, that didn't bawl a load of personal insults at his players whenever he wanted to wake them up; so what was the problem with using a horn? If the effin' players were any use, they wouldn't have gone off the boil in the first place!
I can only concur with my pal's reasoned and reasonable sentiments.
But Ford always struck me as a man who doesn't seek confrontation and, IMO, there must have been more serious reasons for the bust up than we have heard of-to date at any rate.
It's best now to try to forget whatever caused the mutiny 18 years ago and look to the future. That's the main reason why I'd look beyond Ford or Maughan. There's always the possibility that their strained relationships with the CB in the past might get in the way.
Rumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 12:10:55 PM
Rumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Tommy and his clan seem to be associated with a number of counties. I can see why they are called Carr.
Realistically the CB have two paths:
a) Tried and tested which leaves either
John Maughan or Peter Forde (they wont and shouldn't run with Tommy Lyons or Micko over those two)
b) Something fresh leaving a list of at least:
James Horan, Colm Mc, Denis Kearney, Anthony McGarry, Ray Dempsey among others
I would go for something fresh myself this time, probably in the order I've listed them and maybe taking James and Colm as a duo if they agreed to work together. However it would be reasonable and understandable for the CB to go for the tried and tested which realistically leaves JM or PF. I would give the latter personally especially if he can deliver a county championship with the underachieving Mitchels.
Lar correctly points out why we're in this situation (with his lasat sentence), with nearly everyone with their name in, it's the County Board. If you have any gripe at all with the County Board, you won't be selected it seems. It doesn't matter if you had the gripe 18 years ago or 18 months ago, big/small but it is a pity that's the way Mayo football is run. That could be the reason why Tommys are in the running as they've had no previous experience with the co board.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 09, 2010, 09:04:08 AM
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"We will be sending out a questionnaire this week for the candidates to fill in and an interview process will be set up from there. Yes, we have been inundated with expressions of interest from some respected names."
How does that work? Have
some of the candidates been spamming them?
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 12:10:55 PM
Rumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Cannot believe I am quoting the great Peter, but I posted this a few days ago, I hope I am wrong about Maughan and Tommy Carr.
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1. Kearney or Horan (still a little concerned about his experience as a manager, but would row in behind him ahead of the rest)
2. Do not know enough about McGarry as a manager.
Micko pie in the sky, some eejitt in Dublin conceived this idea.
"what do you think Bernard" (Tommy Lyons for those of you not lucky enough to have seen him on the Sunday game) should not be even considered, would love to know who proposed him.
One conspiracy theory worth mentioning, is that Maughan and Tommy Carr (who I think is a genuine enough sort of a fella), are by all accounts close buddies, and it is hard to see them both letting themselves being interviewed, if there was not some prior arrangement that they would "manage" together. County board may buy into this as they probably have figured out the Maughan does not take football advice too kindly, and may require an equal to dispense same.
The reality of the entire issue, that not many seem to be focusing on, is that the county board is up to their arse in debt, and no matter who gets in will have very limited funds to work with. As a result they may not be able to put in place the backroom team they would want, i.e trainer, physio etc, (after listening to Eoin Kelly's speech thanking the Tipp supporters club, coupled with the influence of club tyrone, it is apparent that to have a successful county team, you need a boatload of financial support), with the amadans at the helm in Ballymagash, it is difficult to see anybody stepping up to the plate to fulfill this function.
Having said all that, expectations are very low, it is time to start afresh, lets give Denis Kearney or James Horan a shot.
No way to Maughan and Carr. They would have a team well prepared physically but tactically they are both clueless.
The only reason Maughan should be taken on if he can bring a strong team with him of Mayo men that can step up to the mark when he is gone. Say, a James Horan.
Muppet I don't think you can just put two people together like Horan and Colm Mc. Any two must look to work together and draw their own plans and support team up without any matchmaking by the Board.
A lot to run on this yet though! Will Maughan fill out a Questionnaire? If no, he is out of the running and we could be down to Horan as a runaway favourite.
QuoteRumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Tommy Carr is a native of Holycross, Co Tipp. His brother Declan captained Tipp hurlers.
Quote from: handballer09 on September 09, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
QuoteRumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Tommy Carr is a native of Holycross, Co Tipp. His brother Declan captained Tipp hurlers.
No Tommy Carr was born in Mayo. Moved as a baby with his family.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: handballer09 on September 09, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
QuoteRumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Tommy Carr is a native of Holycross, Co Tipp. His brother Declan captained Tipp hurlers.
No Tommy Carr was born in Mayo. Moved as a baby with his family.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: handballer09 on September 09, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
QuoteRumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Tommy Carr is a native of Holycross, Co Tipp. His brother Declan captained Tipp hurlers.
No Tommy Carr was born in Mayo. Moved as a baby with his family.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............
Would you and your lot ever fook off. What a shower of dic kheads, for fear anyone else would join your little party. Your the biggest shower of w ankers i have ever come across good luck.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: handballer09 on September 09, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
QuoteRumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Tommy Carr is a native of Holycross, Co Tipp. His brother Declan captained Tipp hurlers.
No Tommy Carr was born in Mayo. Moved as a baby with his family.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............
Would you and your lot ever fook off. What a shower of dic kheads, for fear anyone else would join your little party. Your the biggest shower of w ankers i have ever come across good luck.
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I haven't posted in a couple of years but lurk all the time.......but that by spuds has brought me out of exile!!
Take your Pick
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Great to see you back intoDwest. We are down a few Mayo lads over the past few years. I know I went AWOL myself for a few months but the debate here on Mayo topics is always good.
Anyway spot the linemans fist in the background?
Quote from: intoDwest on September 09, 2010, 05:11:10 PM
I haven't posted in a couple of years but lurk all the time.......but that by spuds has brought me out of exile!!
I put you in the 'Missing Posters' thread. Good to see you're around anyway!
Great pictures Redcol. That looks a cracking right cross from your man from Caltra. I suppose it's too late to nominate him?
Hes in for the Galway Job
Quote from: REDCOL on September 09, 2010, 06:32:02 PM
Hes in for the Galway Job
I hope it was a good first shot, not too many hit Denis and lived to tell the tale. In the early 1980's when Denis' brother Tommy was centre back for Mayo, Dennis was deemd to be too dirty to play for Mayo, I kid you not, even though he would have been in his prime. He was a sub on O Mahoney team almost a decade later in 1989 V Cork, criminal how he was not brought on for John Finn who had a stinker, Dave Barry his direct opponent got MOM.
Curley always bugged me as a ref, thought he was crap. now he heads the def's committe, notice he has been quite over the last few months. The fecker should be brought to task for the disgraceful decision making over that period by referees.
better stop, I am getting mad.
Not really sure where all the Enthusiasm for Horan is coming from . he hasn't even won a county championship yet . It reminds me of all those over hyped minors over the years who are brought on too soon and then given one half of an FBD game to prove them selves and then ridiculed for the rest of their careers.
Give the man a chance before making him king
Tommy Carr seems to be showing more passion in that one photo than in the entirity of his two year Cavan stint.
This revolving door/conveyor belt of managers that hawk themselves around different counties has become a bit of a racket I reckon.
Quote from: REDCOL on September 09, 2010, 06:32:02 PM
Hes in for the Galway Job
He's available. He withdrew his nomination.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 09, 2010, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on September 09, 2010, 06:32:02 PM
Hes in for the Galway Job
He's available. He withdrew his nomination.
And there is a Mayoman nominated for the Galway job. Pat Fallan. It's a wonder he is not added to this list too 8)
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: handballer09 on September 09, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
QuoteRumours are abound that there will be a double team of John Maughan and Tommy Carr. A Little known fact is that Tommy Carr is a native Mayo man. he was born there before moving to Dublin as a child. They were also best man at each others wedding.
Tommy Carr is a native of Holycross, Co Tipp. His brother Declan captained Tipp hurlers.
No Tommy Carr was born in Mayo. Moved as a baby with his family.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............
Would you and your lot ever fook off. What a shower of dic kheads, for fear anyone else would join your little party. Your the biggest shower of w ankers i have ever come across good luck.
See you Tommy.
Quote from: joemamas on September 09, 2010, 07:52:36 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on September 09, 2010, 06:32:02 PM
Hes in for the Galway Job
I hope it was a good first shot, not too many hit Denis and lived to tell the tale. In the early 1980's when Denis' brother Tommy was centre back for Mayo, Dennis was deemd to be too dirty to play for Mayo, I kid you not, even though he would have been in his prime. He was a sub on O Mahoney team almost a decade later in 1989 V Cork, criminal how he was not brought on for John Finn who had a stinker, Dave Barry his direct opponent got MOM.
Curley always bugged me as a ref, thought he was crap. now he heads the def's committe, notice he has been quite over the last few months. The fecker should be brought to task for the disgraceful decision making over that period by referees.
better stop, I am getting mad.
Dennis had an uncompromising reputation alright. Paul Galvin would never play for Mayo if he were a Mayoman you know. Not our kind of fella. Lowers the tone. Doesn't fit with the brand.
Only 48 pages to be filled before the announcement is made ..... ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2010, 09:17:04 PM
Only 48 pages to be filled before the announcement is made ..... ;D
To quote the great Peter Solan the great
Quote"Would you and your lot ever fook off. What a shower of dic kheads" ......."Your the biggest shower of w ankers i have ever come across"
:D
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Would you and your lot ever fook off. What a shower of dic kheads, for fear anyone else would join your little party. Your the biggest shower of w ankers i have ever come across good luck.
[/quote] i think there will be a great welcome for peter on his return to the hogan stand.he will be missed :D
First off, apologies to PSTG for not believing the Tommy story, Lord knows it sounds like a bloody WUM!
For what it's worth and from who's been mentioned i'd go for:
Kearney
Horan
Micko
McGarry
Forde
Maughan
Carr
Lyons
Can any of the Rossies (I'm fairly sure this is the first thread most of ye check ;)) give us an idea of what people think of Kearney in Castlerea and beyond??
What about Eamon O Brien? Now he's free. He'd bring a bit of Meath's winning attitude out west.
Billy Morgan will the next one you'll have to add now he's in the Galway race ....
Quote from: JMohan on September 10, 2010, 07:25:45 AM
Billy Morgan will the next one you'll have to add now he's in the Galway race ....
Are you telling US posers that or the County Board?
Interesting to see John Maughan's column in The Mayo Advertiser where he says he was chatting to Banty McEneaney, and Banty reckoned he would have gone for the Mayo job if he lived closer to Mayo.
As Maughan hinted though, I'd say the likes of Feeney would have done their best to scupper that one, due to the cavalcade of a backroom team Banty would bring :D
http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/30816 (http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/30816)
QuoteAfter leaving Newry, I came down to Carrickmacross where I called on Seamus 'Banty' McEnaney. As you are probably aware, he had made his decision a few days earlier to stand down as Monaghan manager after six years in charge. We had an interesting conversation about his time in charge of the team, and I discovered that the 'bar' as regards preparation is continuously being raised. Banty had two coaches working with the team for the past year, with a plethora of masseurs, physios, etc (this kind of information would be music to the ears of the Mayo County treasurer). After an hour in his company, I discovered that his love of the game has in no way diminished. In fact his one regret was that he didn't live a bit closer to Mayo, as he would have expressed an interest in the job.
No shortage of interest in managing our team it would seem!
From hoganstand.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=135235
Former Mayo senior football manager Liam O'Neill feels that the appointment of a director of football in the county would be hugely beneficial to the Connacht side.
O'Neill, who was in charge of the Mayo seniors for four years during the eighties now lives in San Diego California and works as a GAA coach out there.
He believes that the work is been done at underage level, but that the problem lies after this when transforming the minor stars into senior stars.
"It's not unusual to have players on the under-16 team cycle through at least six managers up to the time they finish at under-21 level. During this formative period they are subjected to mixed messages on all levels, especially in tactics and execution in the match setting, leading to confusion on the part of the young players," said O'Neill.
"With no where to go for advice, their careers are in the hands of the next manager, voted in, leading to even further confusion. I believe a relatively quick way to streamline player development is to get everyone on the same well designed plan, communicating and implementing a strategic, common programme.
"This programme must be implemented and managed by a full time director of coaching and that person must be employed independent of the county board."
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 10, 2010, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: JMohan on September 10, 2010, 07:25:45 AM
Billy Morgan will the next one you'll have to add now he's in the Galway race ....
Are you telling US posers that or the County Board?
I'm sure the bookies will add him to the running soon, so I was saying you'll have to add him to the list at the top of the thread
Quote from: JMohan on September 10, 2010, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 10, 2010, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: JMohan on September 10, 2010, 07:25:45 AM
Billy Morgan will the next one you'll have to add now he's in the Galway race ....
Are you telling US posers that or the County Board?
I'm sure the bookies will add him to the running soon, so I was saying you'll have to add him to the list at the top of the thread
Sorry JMohan, I'm just getting fed up with all the bloody nominees and nothing apparently (apart from a questionaire) being done about it as everyone else is laughing their socks at us.
yup.
can you imagine kerry or tyrone having a dozen names linked to the job and nobody knowing whats going on?
we are good for a laugh, unfortunately we are always good for a laugh.
Its three horse race , Maughan, Horan & Mcgarry
Its really Maughan's to lose
did i read somewhere that mcgarry had not been contacted by the county board? he must be wondering whats going on if thats the case. It would be good to see JM back again, he is bound to have some better ideas on what not to do. James Horan would be another that you could imagine players would listen to,younger fella with fresher ideas and all that.For me either of them would be ok.
Quote from: mannix on September 10, 2010, 02:10:53 PM
yup.
can you imagine kerry or tyrone having a dozen names linked to the job and nobody knowing whats going on?
we are good for a laugh, unfortunately we are always good for a laugh.
In fairness the run up to Mickey Harte's appointment was pretty diabolical too, so don't take the process as an indicator of what may be its outcome.
Tyrone and the Tyrone CB were something of a laughing stock when Harte's name was announced, particularly given the calibre of the incumbent and also those who were also interested.
CB have a wonderful knack of making pigs ears out of silk purses!!!! It's their thing.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 10, 2010, 12:35:12 AM
Can any of the Rossies (I'm fairly sure this is the first thread most of ye check ;)) give us an idea of what people think of Kearney in Castlerea and beyond??
He's doing a damn good job at Castlerea seems to bring out the best in players for a club team he has them well drilled & organised something that Mayo badly need, he certainly would be worth a try but a huge step up for him
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 09, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
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Would you and your lot ever fook off. What a shower of dic kheads, for fear anyone else would join your little party. Your the biggest shower of w ankers i have ever come across good luck.
& you wonder why us rossies come on here :D
Quote from: ross4life on September 10, 2010, 04:35:47 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 10, 2010, 12:35:12 AM
Can any of the Rossies (I'm fairly sure this is the first thread most of ye check ;)) give us an idea of what people think of Kearney in Castlerea and beyond??
He's doing a damn good job at Castlerea seems to bring out the best in players for a club team he has them well drilled & organised something that Mayo badly need, he certainly would be worth a try but a huge step up for him
Mind you he's done it by having them play a lot of anti football :(
Hopefully the men from the Orchard will put an end to them on unday .....but with Brianeen gone to Oz I don't expect they will.
As for the Rhubarbs manager hunt ...... it certainly uts our boloxology in 2005 in the hapenny place ;D ;D
An old comrades act of Maughtan and Carr is the obvious solution :D
Peter solan
don't heed the feckers . your the only one who actually seems to have an inside track unlike a lot of the bullying blowhards that repeat their opinion here every few hours.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2010, 07:34:56 PM
As for the Rhubarbs manager hunt ...... it certainly uts our boloxology in 2005 in the hapenny place ;D ;D
JM's candidature only become known late on for that one, which fairly p*ssed off the existing bona-fide candidates who'd gone through the procedures, at the time ...
He's a manager about whom Mayo players, journos & supporters seemed to have very diverse opinions following his previous stints ... it certainly won't be boring if he gets the nod again ;)
http://archives.tcm.ie/westernpeople/2005/08/24/story26778.asp
http://archives.tcm.ie/westernpeople/2005/08/16/ [See text below 'Other News']
Think people are being unfair in portraying Lyons as a fool, he won a club All-Ireland, a Leinster title & came within the width of a post of beating Armagh. A lot of this seems to be based on his Sunday Game contributions, it thats to be the bar then lets give it to Carr he talks a great game. I'd have Lyons anyday ahead of Carr or Maughan. It's a pity the scrutiny being applied now by Sean Rice n co to the likes of Micko wasn't used 4 years ago.
Within the width of a post of getting a replay against armagh...
Right lads let's put this argument to bed straight away. The acid test for any inter-county manager is how his team performs in the Championship against London. In 1996 Maughan's Mayo beat London by 6 pts 1-11 to 1-5, in 2004 Lyon's Dublin team won 3-24 to 0-6 (27pt victory).
It's quite obvious from these statistics that Tommy Lyons is the superior football tactician and motivator and should therefore be installed immediately as manager of the Mayo senior team. I will be advising the Mayo CB of my findings. :P
Especially when LOndon stand in our way next year!
i would not like Lyons but he deserves more respect. He also won a league and Leinster with Awfully and an u21 All Ireland with Dublin.
we could do worse. You cannot judge a manager by their TV analysis
Quote from: irunthev on September 11, 2010, 11:29:40 AM
Right lads let's put this argument to bed straight away. The acid test for any inter-county manager is how his team performs in the Championship against London. In 1996 Maughan's Mayo beat London by 6 pts 1-11 to 1-5, in 2004 Lyon's Dublin team won 3-24 to 0-6 (27pt victory).
It's quite obvious from these statistics that Tommy Lyons is the superior football tactician and motivator and should therefore be installed immediately as manager of the Mayo senior team. I will be advising the Mayo CB of my findings. :P
AW, go 'way outa that!
he'd have them all playing his 'arse football' in no time.
The whole bleddy lot of 'em are good enough at that already- we'd just like them to stop kicking their own and get stuck into the opposition once in a while! ;D
Quote from: Barney on September 11, 2010, 11:57:04 AM
Especially when LOndon stand in our way next year!
i would not like Lyons but he deserves more respect. He also won a league and Leinster with Awfully and an u21 All Ireland with Dublin.
we could do worse. You cannot judge a manager by their TV analysis
You can't get a manager's job because of your TV analysis, but you can sure talk yourself out of a job with it.
Quote from: Barney on September 11, 2010, 11:57:04 AM
Especially when LOndon stand in our way next year!
i would not like Lyons but he deserves more respect. He also won a league and Leinster with Awfully and an u21 All Ireland with Dublin.
we could do worse. You cannot judge a manager by their TV analysis
I hope you don't live to regret that comment Barney!
He had next or nothing to do with that U21 team - Jim Gavin & Declan Darcy trained and prepared the team until the final when Lyons marched in - I personally wouldn't let him near a club team never mind Mayo
Quote from: irunthev on September 11, 2010, 11:29:40 AM
Right lads let's put this argument to bed straight away. The acid test for any inter-county manager is how his team performs in the Championship against London. In 1996 Maughan's Mayo beat London by 6 pts 1-11 to 1-5, in 2004 Lyon's Dublin team won 3-24 to 0-6 (27pt victory).
It's quite obvious from these statistics that Tommy Lyons is the superior football tactician and motivator and should therefore be installed immediately as manager of the Mayo senior team. I will be advising the Mayo CB of my findings. :P
How come? When did London move to Leinster?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 03:32:27 PM
Quote from: irunthev on September 11, 2010, 11:29:40 AM
Right lads let's put this argument to bed straight away. The acid test for any inter-county manager is how his team performs in the Championship against London. In 1996 Maughan's Mayo beat London by 6 pts 1-11 to 1-5, in 2004 Lyon's Dublin team won 3-24 to 0-6 (27pt victory).
It's quite obvious from these statistics that Tommy Lyons is the superior football tactician and motivator and should therefore be installed immediately as manager of the Mayo senior team. I will be advising the Mayo CB of my findings. :P
How come? When did London move to Leinster?
Mayo lost to Longford and we aren't in Leinster.
Quote from: muppet on September 11, 2010, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 03:32:27 PM
Quote from: irunthev on September 11, 2010, 11:29:40 AM
Right lads let's put this argument to bed straight away. The acid test for any inter-county manager is how his team performs in the Championship against London. In 1996 Maughan's Mayo beat London by 6 pts 1-11 to 1-5, in 2004 Lyon's Dublin team won 3-24 to 0-6 (27pt victory).
It's quite obvious from these statistics that Tommy Lyons is the superior football tactician and motivator and should therefore be installed immediately as manager of the Mayo senior team. I will be advising the Mayo CB of my findings. :P
How come? When did London move to Leinster?
Mayo lost to Longford and we aren't in Leinster.
Well I didn't know it was a back-door game he was referring to! :-[
Castlerea knocked out of the Roscommon Championship today, Kearney should be available?
Hopefully he'll take his anti football style back with him.
Good to see the Elphiners make it to the Final but will it be a step too far?
Great display by Fintan C. I believe
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Hopefully he'll take his anti football style back with him.
Good to see the Elphiners make it to the Final but will it be a step too far?
Great display by Fintan C. I believe
Yep Fintan played well but where would Castlerea be without Ger Heneghan? he score 8 of the 9 scores today lucky to have him
Would expect Senan Kilbride & co to be Crown ross champs with plenty to spare
Ah come on lads i know ye added 1/4 page but here is definately not the place to be chatting about rossie football , we really dont give a fcuk
We're only trying to get ye to the 100 pages so ye're Co Board can pick the Maughtan/Carr nightmare team ;D
If Carr gets involved you may forget it,...
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2010, 09:30:28 PM
We're only trying to get ye to the 100 pages so ye're Co Board can pick the Maughtan/Carr nightmare team ;D
We'd still beat Ros even if we had Bunny Carr managing us.
Quote from: muppet on September 12, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2010, 09:30:28 PM
We're only trying to get ye to the 100 pages so ye're Co Board can pick the Maughtan/Carr nightmare team ;D
We'd still beat Ros even if we had Bunny Carr managing us.
Because you believe Mayo would never lose to a Division 4 team? oh wait....
Quote from: ross4life on September 12, 2010, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 12, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2010, 09:30:28 PM
We're only trying to get ye to the 100 pages so ye're Co Board can pick the Maughtan/Carr nightmare team ;D
We'd still beat Ros even if we had Bunny Carr managing us.
Because you believe Mayo would never lose to a Division 4 team? oh wait....
You are putting words in my mouth, I never said anything like that?
The argument is a obvious. Last year is only last year and then (with a couple of notable exceptions) we have been doing it in Connacht underage for a while now. Why would we fear you, seriously?
Quote from: muppet on September 12, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 12, 2010, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 12, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2010, 09:30:28 PM
We're only trying to get ye to the 100 pages so ye're Co Board can pick the Maughtan/Carr nightmare team ;D
We'd still beat Ros even if we had Bunny Carr managing us.
Because you believe Mayo would never lose to a Division 4 team? oh wait....
You are putting words in my mouth, I never said anything like that?
The argument is a obvious. Last year is only last year and then (with a couple of notable exceptions) we have been doing it in Connacht underage for a while now. Why would we fear you, seriously?
Now your putting words in my mouth, never said anything about fearing us but a bit more respect would be nice! especially when we have more than held our own vs Mayo at underage the last 5 years or so
Quote from: ross4life on September 12, 2010, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 12, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 12, 2010, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 12, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2010, 09:30:28 PM
We're only trying to get ye to the 100 pages so ye're Co Board can pick the Maughtan/Carr nightmare team ;D
We'd still beat Ros even if we had Bunny Carr managing us.
Because you believe Mayo would never lose to a Division 4 team? oh wait....
You are putting words in my mouth, I never said anything like that?
The argument is a obvious. Last year is only last year and then (with a couple of notable exceptions) we have been doing it in Connacht underage for a while now. Why would we fear you, seriously?
Now your putting words in my mouth, never said anything about fearing us but a bit more respect would be nice! especially when we have more than held our own vs Mayo at underage the last 5 years or so
Respect? What do you expect? You're only on this thread to wind people up. When it goes the other way you get indignant.
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2010, 12:25:08 AM
Quote from: ross4life on September 12, 2010, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 12, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 12, 2010, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 12, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2010, 09:30:28 PM
We're only trying to get ye to the 100 pages so ye're Co Board can pick the Maughtan/Carr nightmare team ;D
We'd still beat Ros even if we had Bunny Carr managing us.
Because you believe Mayo would never lose to a Division 4 team? oh wait....
You are putting words in my mouth, I never said anything like that?
The argument is a obvious. Last year is only last year and then (with a couple of notable exceptions) we have been doing it in Connacht underage for a while now. Why would we fear you, seriously?
Now your putting words in my mouth, never said anything about fearing us but a bit more respect would be nice! especially when we have more than held our own vs Mayo at underage the last 5 years or so
Respect? What do you expect? You're only on this thread to wind people up. When it goes the other way you get indignant.
Wind up? i think if you read back I'm answering a question from a Mayo follower who asked about Kearney!
He's only on this thread to get it up to page 100. Good man Ross
Quote from: Barney on September 11, 2010, 11:57:04 AM
Especially when LOndon stand in our way next year!
i would not like Lyons but he deserves more respect. He also won a league and Leinster with Awfully and an u21 All Ireland with Dublin.
we could do worse. You cannot judge a manager by their TV analysis
Exactly. Sure wasn't John O'Mahony an awful pundit and sure when it came to management . . . oh, wait now
Quote from: Hardy on June 07, 2010, 10:35:29 AM
Five star post, Lar.
By the way, forget about expecting Johnno to go. Irish politicians don't resign.
Looks like Enda Kenny wont be putting his name foreward for the mayo job as he will be too busy for the next 10 years getting the country back on its feet according to todays papers. I wonder where will Mayo Football be standing in 10 years time
I do think the economic problems are going to make things tough for a lot of counties - as usualthe west seems to suffer more in these types of situations.
Micko withdraws Mayo candidacy
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=135343
looks like Limerick or Monaghan is more appealing to the 74 year old?
i remember reading that kerry was an unemployment blackspot, did not affect the football down there.
Seán Feeney says the process will be concluded in a fortnight: http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10810:mayo-manager-candidates-set-down-their-plans&catid=14&Itemid=100008
It's like the human-alien birth in the the original V, isn't it? You just don't know what's going to pop out. A regular enough looking sprog with just the forked tongue that you'd hardly notice, or some sort of scaly alien monster that will terrify you for the rest of your life.
Fingers crossed, eh?
Big three set down job plans
Front-runners for Mayo post outline their plans to officials
Mike Finnerty
THE three front-runners to become the next Mayo senior football manager held 'preliminary discussions' with four officers of the Mayo GAA Board last Sunday evening in Castlebar.
John Maughan, James Horan and Tommy Lyons each met with Mayo GAA chairman James Waldron, Sean Feeney (secretary), JP Lambe (treasurer) and Paddy McNicholas (vice-chairman), and outlined their plans for the vacant position.
The Mayo News understands that the trio were asked about the make-up, projected costs and approximate numbers of their proposed backroom teams, in terms of medical support, strength and conditioning, etc.
They also outlined their respective footballing philosophies and attitude to issues such as discipline, challenge games, recruitment of players, and club fixtures.
The sub-committee are expected to meet with the remaining candidates, Anthony McGarry, Denis Kearney and Tommy Carr, later this week. Mick O'Dwyer withdrew from the race to succeed John O'Mahony last weekend.
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, Sean Feeney explained why the sub-committee charged with examining the candidate's plans decided to meet them face-to-face, and not ask them to submit a written document.
"We felt that there would be too much of a delay if written application forms were to be sent in, plus some of the candidates were reluctant to put their plans into writing," he said. "The sub-committee decided that face-to-face meetings would be more suitable.
"They are all serious contenders for the position," added Feeney when asked about his impression of the three managerial hopefuls that had been spoken to on Sunday.
"All of them had done a fair amount of background work but we didn't get down to the real 'nitty-gritty'. That will be done by the selection committee when they formally interview the candidates."
Those interviews are expected to take place next week, after a meeting of the Mayo GAA executive and county board. "The whole process should be concluded within a fortnight," added Sean Feeney.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 12:27:34 AM
Mike Finnerty
THE three front-runners to become the next Mayo senior football manager held 'preliminary discussions' with four officers of the Mayo GAA Board last Sunday evening in Castlebar.
John Maughan, James Horan and Tommy Lyons each met with Mayo GAA chairman James Waldron, Sean Feeney (secretary), JP Lambe (treasurer) and Paddy McNicholas (vice-chairman), and outlined their plans for the vacant position.
The Mayo News understands that the trio were asked about the make-up, projected costs and approximate numbers of their proposed backroom teams, in terms of medical support, strength and conditioning, etc.
They also outlined their respective footballing philosophies and attitude to issues such as discipline, challenge games, recruitment of players, and club fixtures.
The sub-committee are expected to meet with the remaining candidates, Anthony McGarry, Denis Kearney and Tommy Carr, later this week. Mick O'Dwyer withdrew from the race to succeed John O'Mahony last weekend.
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, Sean Feeney explained why the sub-committee charged with examining the candidate's plans decided to meet them face-to-face, and not ask them to submit a written document.
"We felt that there would be too much of a delay if written application forms were to be sent in, plus some of the candidates were reluctant to put their plans into writing," he said. "The sub-committee decided that face-to-face meetings would be more suitable.
"They are all serious contenders for the position," added Feeney when asked about his impression of the three managerial hopefuls that had been spoken to on Sunday.
"All of them had done a fair amount of background work but we didn't get down to the real 'nitty-gritty'. That will be done by the selection committee when they formally interview the candidates."
Those interviews are expected to take place next week, after a meeting of the Mayo GAA executive and county board. "The whole process should be concluded within a fortnight," added Sean Feeney.
Could it be that they have a favourite in mind already? :-\
This whole process brings out the cynic in me :'(
WESTERN EXILE,
who would you have in mind? maughan or horan would be my guess, maughan has been there and knows the score despite not finishing the job.I see Martin Breheny is giving out that we did not take micko, 74 years of age is a big number for travelling that far every second day, or am I imagining it? I travelled a lot for work and hated it, and that was between 50 and 100 miles each way.
Ah now mannix, I don't pay any heed to ANYTHING Martin Breheny says, (esp Mayo football) he's a Galwayman afterall...
Quote from: mannix on September 15, 2010, 01:38:13 PM
WESTERN EXILE,
who would you have in mind? maughan or horan would be my guess, maughan has been there and knows the score despite not finishing the job.I see Martin Breheny is giving out that we did not take micko, 74 years of age is a big number for travelling that far every second day, or am I imagining it? I travelled a lot for work and hated it, and that was between 50 and 100 miles each way.
I was not giving my personal preference. 8)
But it would seem to me that the person most likely to be reluctant to go through the whole written application bureaucracy, would be the one that has
been there / done that before. i.e. Maughan. If the committee boys did not want to accept his application, that would have been an easy way out for them i.e. our way or the highway! ( aside: I wonder was that why Micko backed away?)
On the other had, since they are willing to bend to his preference of interview process, do they prefer him? ???
western exile, sorry about that, i was not saying you would prefer maughan.my post looked like that when I looked at it again but no that was not what i meant. I think they have maughan firmly in their sights if the did alter any process they have to suit him.
I reckon Maughan's been calling the shots all along. Reviews, committees, celebrity candidates - it's all a bottle of smoke. Prepare yourselves for Maughan III.
Crossmolina have only lost in the MW league and to Knockmore in the championship all year long. He (Maughan) must be doing something right with them.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 03:04:29 PM
Prepare yourselves for Maughan III.
Coming soon...
Maughan III - This time he's bringing his own St Tropez
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 12:27:34 AM
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, Sean Feeney explained why the sub-committee charged with examining the candidate's plans decided to meet them face-to-face, and not ask them to submit a written document.
"We felt that there would be too much of a delay if written application forms were to be sent in, plus some of the candidates were reluctant to put their plans into writing," he said. "The sub-committee decided that face-to-face meetings would be more suitable.
"They are all serious contenders for the position," added Feeney when asked about his impression of the three managerial hopefuls that had been spoken to on Sunday.
"All of them had done a fair amount of background work but we didn't get down to the real 'nitty-gritty'. That will be done by the selection committee when they formally interview the candidates."
Those interviews are expected to take place next week, after a meeting of the Mayo GAA executive and county board. "The whole process should be concluded within a fortnight," added Sean Feeney.
That sure sounds like the tail is wagging the dog right enough Iolar.
It's going to be some craic listening to the reactions, eg. David Brady, Kevin O'Neill, if JM does indeed get it ;)
It seems to have a look of inevitability about it now ok. The only impediment may the that The Board will have to do without the Mayo Supporter's money if JM gets the nod. There is a suspicion out there that Lyons was their idea after they realised that they wouldn't be gettin Micko. I m sure they re well pissed off. Horan still can t be ruled out as the most attractive compromise for a Board with no money.
Ah lads, is this still going on?
Quotelook of inevitability about it now ok
wjy ? because its be repeated ad nausem here? or do you have more indepth knowledge
Quote from: rosnarun on September 15, 2010, 10:50:20 PM
Quotelook of inevitability about it now ok
wjy ? because its be repeated ad nausem here? or do you have more indepth knowledge
Yeah, Of course I have more in depth knowledge. That s why I said it has the look of inevitability about it. But I qualified that look of inevitability. But still JM is at least 80% nailed down. There may be a twist but it s looking that way. This may be
ad nauseum, or even sickening, but it is where we seem to be going. Maybe you are aware of other developments?
Quote from: spectator on September 15, 2010, 07:24:17 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 12:27:34 AM
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, Sean Feeney explained why the sub-committee charged with examining the candidate's plans decided to meet them face-to-face, and not ask them to submit a written document.
"We felt that there would be too much of a delay if written application forms were to be sent in, plus some of the candidates were reluctant to put their plans into writing," he said. "The sub-committee decided that face-to-face meetings would be more suitable.
"They are all serious contenders for the position," added Feeney when asked about his impression of the three managerial hopefuls that had been spoken to on Sunday.
"All of them had done a fair amount of background work but we didn't get down to the real 'nitty-gritty'. That will be done by the selection committee when they formally interview the candidates."
Those interviews are expected to take place next week, after a meeting of the Mayo GAA executive and county board. "The whole process should be concluded within a fortnight," added Sean Feeney.
That sure sounds like the tail is wagging the dog right enough Iolar.
It's going to be some craic listening to the reactions, eg. David Brady, Kevin O'Neill, if JM does indeed get it ;)
Neither David Brady, Kevin O'Neill nor John Maughan has gone on the record about how they got on. I remember Eoin McDevitt on Newstalk remarking to Brady that he had started many All-Irelands whereas the real story of Brady for my dollar is how few he started. But that has never been explored. Neither Brady nor O'Neill, that I know of, has ever had a cut at Maughan and I don't think Maughan has ever been challenged for the record on why he didn't pick those players.
The nature of how the media operates in this country means that he never will be, either. We see it in the grown up news currently about how it's bad manners to ask if someone is a bit too fond of the drop. But it's an awful pity.
And I would love to read a long, in depth interview with Anthony McGarry too. I don't know why he keeps applying to be continually ignored by the Board. What motivates him? Could it be ... patriotism? Love of the land where he was born?
Hoping for Horan, expecting Maughan.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: spectator on September 15, 2010, 07:24:17 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 12:27:34 AM
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, Sean Feeney explained why the sub-committee charged with examining the candidate's plans decided to meet them face-to-face, and not ask them to submit a written document.
"We felt that there would be too much of a delay if written application forms were to be sent in, plus some of the candidates were reluctant to put their plans into writing," he said. "The sub-committee decided that face-to-face meetings would be more suitable.
"They are all serious contenders for the position," added Feeney when asked about his impression of the three managerial hopefuls that had been spoken to on Sunday.
"All of them had done a fair amount of background work but we didn't get down to the real 'nitty-gritty'. That will be done by the selection committee when they formally interview the candidates."
Those interviews are expected to take place next week, after a meeting of the Mayo GAA executive and county board. "The whole process should be concluded within a fortnight," added Sean Feeney.
That sure sounds like the tail is wagging the dog right enough Iolar.
It's going to be some craic listening to the reactions, eg. David Brady, Kevin O'Neill, if JM does indeed get it ;)
Neither David Brady, Kevin O'Neill nor John Maughan has gone on the record about how they got on. I remember Eoin McDevitt on Newstalk remarking to Brady that he had started many All-Irelands whereas the real story of Brady for my dollar is how few he started. But that has never been explored. Neither Brady nor O'Neill, that I know of, has ever had a cut at Maughan and I don't think Maughan has ever been challenged for the record on why he didn't pick those players.
The nature of how the media operates in this country means that he never will be, either. We see it in the grown up news currently about how it's bad manners to ask if someone is a bit too fond of the drop. But it's an awful pity.
And I would love to read a long, in depth interview with Anthony McGarry too. I don't know why he keeps applying to be continually ignored by the Board. What motivates him? Could it be ... patriotism? Love of the land where he was born?
Hoping for Horan, expecting Maughan.
O Neill and Maughan have gone on record about those events. Briefly, but very revealingly in Scally's flawed but worthy The Best Of The West. O Neill comes across very well. He accepted the managers decision and wouldn't rock the boat because he has a team ethic. Maughan admits that he didn't think O Neill was good enough in his time in charge - that's all she wrote - and was astounded by his form in 06. So you have to go back and remember some of the forwards that JM thought were better than O Neill. Most GAA men would have written their epitaph with a statement like that but nobody seems to have noticed. I was shocked when I read it. But I have to admit I admired his honesty to admit how he felt as well. His judgement about O Neill was unbelievable and his admission of the same was equally strange but also refreshing because he could have talked about injuries and fitness to save face. It says it all about JM really. He really is bigger than having to be called to account for poor decisions in the past. He is big enough and brave enough to make big calls and he makes them which is a great trait in a leader and you have to admire that. But his judgement has cost us dearly in the past as well. It s something we will have to accept again. For every Noel Connelly and James Horan gained, there are Peter Butlers, Brian Heffernans, Gary Ruane Kevin O Neills, Ciarán McDonalds/ David Brady (both for a while anyway) and Kevin O Neills lost.
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2010, 12:11:15 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: spectator on September 15, 2010, 07:24:17 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 12:27:34 AM
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, Sean Feeney explained why the sub-committee charged with examining the candidate's plans decided to meet them face-to-face, and not ask them to submit a written document.
"We felt that there would be too much of a delay if written application forms were to be sent in, plus some of the candidates were reluctant to put their plans into writing," he said. "The sub-committee decided that face-to-face meetings would be more suitable.
"They are all serious contenders for the position," added Feeney when asked about his impression of the three managerial hopefuls that had been spoken to on Sunday.
"All of them had done a fair amount of background work but we didn't get down to the real 'nitty-gritty'. That will be done by the selection committee when they formally interview the candidates."
Those interviews are expected to take place next week, after a meeting of the Mayo GAA executive and county board. "The whole process should be concluded within a fortnight," added Sean Feeney.
That sure sounds like the tail is wagging the dog right enough Iolar.
It's going to be some craic listening to the reactions, eg. David Brady, Kevin O'Neill, if JM does indeed get it ;)
Neither David Brady, Kevin O'Neill nor John Maughan has gone on the record about how they got on. I remember Eoin McDevitt on Newstalk remarking to Brady that he had started many All-Irelands whereas the real story of Brady for my dollar is how few he started. But that has never been explored. Neither Brady nor O'Neill, that I know of, has ever had a cut at Maughan and I don't think Maughan has ever been challenged for the record on why he didn't pick those players.
The nature of how the media operates in this country means that he never will be, either. We see it in the grown up news currently about how it's bad manners to ask if someone is a bit too fond of the drop. But it's an awful pity.
And I would love to read a long, in depth interview with Anthony McGarry too. I don't know why he keeps applying to be continually ignored by the Board. What motivates him? Could it be ... patriotism? Love of the land where he was born?
Hoping for Horan, expecting Maughan.
O Neill have gone on record about those events. Briefly but very revealingly in Scally's flawed but worthy The Best Of The West. O Neill comes across very well. He accepted the managers decision and wouldn't rock the boat because he has a team ethic. Maughan admits that he didn't think O Neill was good enough - and wait for it - was astounded by his form in 06.Most GAA men would have written their epitaph with a statement like that but nobody seems to notice when JM drops a clanger. It says it all about JM really. He really is bigger than having to be called to account for poor decisions in the past. He is big enough and brave enough to make big calls and he makes them which is a great trait in a leader. But his judgement has cost us dearly in the past as well. It s something we will have to accept again. For every Noel Connelly and James Horan gained, there are Peter Butlers, Brian Heffernans, Kevin O Neills, Ciarán McDonalds/ David Brady (both for a while anyway) and Kevin O Neills lost.
I've seen that book Moysider, but I've never been tempted to buy it. It struck me as being more interested in being worthy than being interesting.
This is one of the problems with when Maughan or Johnno or Brady are being interviewed nationally - a lot of the people asking the questions have a fairly superficial view of what's going on in a particular county, so Scally wouldn't have said "hold on a minute" when Maughan said that about O'Neill in 06 and pulled him up on it, or McDevitt made the error about Brady I mentioned earlier.
I'm open to correction on this, but isn't it odd that the most trenchant player criticism of a Mayo manager has been from the most media reticent player of recent years - Ciarán McDonald's Indo interview after John O'Mahony dropped him?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 16, 2010, 12:22:36 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2010, 12:11:15 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: spectator on September 15, 2010, 07:24:17 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2010, 12:27:34 AM
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, Sean Feeney explained why the sub-committee charged with examining the candidate's plans decided to meet them face-to-face, and not ask them to submit a written document.
"We felt that there would be too much of a delay if written application forms were to be sent in, plus some of the candidates were reluctant to put their plans into writing," he said. "The sub-committee decided that face-to-face meetings would be more suitable.
"They are all serious contenders for the position," added Feeney when asked about his impression of the three managerial hopefuls that had been spoken to on Sunday.
"All of them had done a fair amount of background work but we didn't get down to the real 'nitty-gritty'. That will be done by the selection committee when they formally interview the candidates."
Those interviews are expected to take place next week, after a meeting of the Mayo GAA executive and county board. "The whole process should be concluded within a fortnight," added Sean Feeney.
That sure sounds like the tail is wagging the dog right enough Iolar.
It's going to be some craic listening to the reactions, eg. David Brady, Kevin O'Neill, if JM does indeed get it ;)
Neither David Brady, Kevin O'Neill nor John Maughan has gone on the record about how they got on. I remember Eoin McDevitt on Newstalk remarking to Brady that he had started many All-Irelands whereas the real story of Brady for my dollar is how few he started. But that has never been explored. Neither Brady nor O'Neill, that I know of, has ever had a cut at Maughan and I don't think Maughan has ever been challenged for the record on why he didn't pick those players.
The nature of how the media operates in this country means that he never will be, either. We see it in the grown up news currently about how it's bad manners to ask if someone is a bit too fond of the drop. But it's an awful pity.
And I would love to read a long, in depth interview with Anthony McGarry too. I don't know why he keeps applying to be continually ignored by the Board. What motivates him? Could it be ... patriotism? Love of the land where he was born?
Hoping for Horan, expecting Maughan.
O Neill have gone on record about those events. Briefly but very revealingly in Scally's flawed but worthy The Best Of The West. O Neill comes across very well. He accepted the managers decision and wouldn't rock the boat because he has a team ethic. Maughan admits that he didn't think O Neill was good enough - and wait for it - was astounded by his form in 06.Most GAA men would have written their epitaph with a statement like that but nobody seems to notice when JM drops a clanger. It says it all about JM really. He really is bigger than having to be called to account for poor decisions in the past. He is big enough and brave enough to make big calls and he makes them which is a great trait in a leader. But his judgement has cost us dearly in the past as well. It s something we will have to accept again. For every Noel Connelly and James Horan gained, there are Peter Butlers, Brian Heffernans, Kevin O Neills, Ciarán McDonalds/ David Brady (both for a while anyway) and Kevin O Neills lost.
I've seen that book Moysider, but I've never been tempted to buy it. It struck me as being more interested in being worthy than being interesting.
This is one of the problems with when Maughan or Johnno or Brady are being interviewed nationally - a lot of the people asking the questions have a fairly superficial view of what's going on in a particular county, so Scally wouldn't have said "hold on a minute" when Maughan said that about O'Neill in 06 and pulled him up on it, or McDevitt made the error about Brady I mentioned earlier.
I'm open to correction on this, but isn't it odd that the most trenchant player criticism of a Mayo manager has been from the most media reticent player of recent years - Ciarán McDonald's Indo interview after John O'Mahony dropped him?
True, and what good did it do Ciarán. Anybody that tried to criticise Johnno at the time was steamrolled. The wagons were circled. O Mahoney was allowed to scorch earth for another 2/3 years without anybody lifting a finger.
Maughan s line about O Neill not being good enough was a nugget for a journalist. In fact nothing else was needed to flesh it it out. But obviously nobody noticed or thought anything wrong with his judgement. It leads me to believe people think he was correct not to pick O Neill. I don t but it appears most do.
I'd imagine people would wonder what the point is in questioning Maughan on those decisions. All he'll say is that he thought he wasn't good enough, it was his call and he made it.
It's hard to answer that.
nail on the head there Stephenite. The same was done with C MAC by jom, it was ridiculous but who would question jom at the time?
the fan in the street would not be listened too, how many of the 6 starting forwards were better than him?
Quotead nauseum
are you correcting my Latin spelling? ::), you were obviously a few years ahead of me in Muredachs.
Quote from: stephenite on September 16, 2010, 12:58:29 AM
I'd imagine people would wonder what the point is in questioning Maughan on those decisions. All he'll say is that he thought he wasn't good enough, it was his call and he made it.
It's hard to answer that.
Fair enough, I've no doubt that there was no ulterior motive involved and that JM honestly felt that Tom Reilly was a greater asset to the side than Kevin at the time. However, I would suggest that the rest of the civilised world thought otherwise. Chuckie was in flying form for his club at the time and Tom Reilly was never more than a bit player.
I feel that few would deny that Maughan made a series of poor judgement calls throughout his IC managerial career and there is no substantial reason to believe that this particular leopard will ever change his spots.
As you say, past events should be left where they properly belong but at the same time they could be an indicator for the future and that's what worries me.
I fully accept that he is an honest, dedicated individual and never gives less than 100% to any job he takes on but the problem for me is that he has taken on more IC managerial stints than anyone else I can think of.
He's worn the bib a total of five times and I am concerned that he has had issues with a number of high profile players in them all. Jack O'Connor had a serious row with a number of the Kerry squad in the lead up to the '06 final but, in contrast to Maughan, he kept matters strictly in-house until the final was well and truly over. I wonder how JM would have handled the likes of Gooch and Dara O Se?
Besides all of that, I am a bit annoyed that Maughan first publicly announced that he had no interest in the job and now appears to be waiting in the wings to step in and take over.
Has there been a done deal all along and is our beloved and much respected county board up to its old tricks again?
Hmmmm..... I really think we have had enough cute hoorism from that quarter to suffice for some time to come.
57 pages! Mother of God! What'll it go to when a manager is picked? :D
Anyway, it's looking like Maughan III alright. To be honest maybe that's not a bad thing. His pride in Mayo is not in question and his desire to win the All-Ireland was never better documented than in his interview in 'House of Pain', where he said straight-out that the failure in 1996 still haunts him.
There weren't too many complaints about his second stint until the 2004 final - not just the awful capitulation of the team on the day but Maughan's pig-headedness over not selecting Brady from the start. Brady wouldn't have won Mayo that game but he might have helped make the defeat far less damaging. Mayo haven't been seen as a serious team since. Kerry burned Mayo off in the third quarter of the 2005 quarter-final, despite Mayo chipping it back to three points at the end. That at least represented a more dignified exit for JM than the 2004 final would have been.
Despite the shorts, the tan, the confidence-bordering-on-arrogance, the lack of tactical nous etc., nobody wants an AI for Mayo more than John Maughan, and nobody has got us closer. He'll run the sh1t out of them for the winter, beef them up (please God) and hopefully, to steal a phrase, put the balls back into Mayo football. That would represent significant progress, and Lord knows it's badly needed.
If it does end up being JM III, I hope he's taking it for the right reasons.
People will remember there was bad blood between himself and JOM, and many had JOM held in much higher esteem than Maughan.
JOMs stock has gone through the floor, and I hope Maughan isn't just going for this job to show everyone how much better he is than O'Mahony.
He needs to be going for it because he feels he genuinely can bring Mayo back to being one of the top 5 sides in the country; and that he's studied how the new breed of manager works alongside their backroom team, and that he feels he can at least match, if not improve, on that.
I'd have confidence he'll raise the performance levels significantly, but will he bring anything new that he hasn't brought before.
You know the quote "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it". I think that applies to everyone involved in this - CB, manager (whoever it may be), backroom team and players.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 16, 2010, 03:05:49 AM
Quotead nauseum
are you correcting my Latin spelling? ::), you were obviously a few years ahead of me in Muredachs.
Not correcting you Ros. Unfortunately I m no Latin scholar. Just repeated your phrase and used italics. Anyway do you have any reason to think the manager will be other than Maughan?
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2010, 10:04:42 PM
The Board will have to do without the Mayo Supporter's money if JM gets the nod.
Surely Club Mayo won't stop raising funds just because their apparent proposal of Micko was rejected, Moysider?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 16, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
I hope Maughan isn't just going for this job to show everyone how much better he is than O'Mahony.
I think Maughan has unfinished business with Mayo and probably, in his own eyes anyway, has a [footballing] reputation to rescue following his previous stints.
Quote from: spectator on September 16, 2010, 11:57:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2010, 10:04:42 PM
The Board will have to do without the Mayo Supporter's money if JM gets the nod.
Surely Club Mayo won't stop raising funds just because their apparent proposal of Micko was rejected, Moysider?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 16, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
I hope Maughan isn't just going for this job to show everyone how much better he is than O'Mahony.
I think Maughan has unfinished business with Mayo and probably, in his own eyes anyway, has a [footballing] reputation to rescue following his previous stints.
I dunno Spectator. I have no connection with that association. But these events have been a slap in the face for these guys. Somebody that should know reckons that there are a few main individuals that have 'more money than sense'. Fund raising would be possibly only topping up. The board is broke and will have to ' squeeze the club lemons until the pips squeak' this year and will still struggle. The board now has a stick to beat the clubs with as well. The club delegates wanted a native manager. The cash shy clubs will now be told that they got what they wanted. When you think about it Micko may well have been the cheaper option for the county - and maybe the best as well.
In my experience few people have more money than sense. Anybody about with money to spend now on Mayo football was not a fool to have gathered that money in the first place. Pay the piper and you can call the tune. If these guys don t like the way things are going there is every possibility they will not open the purse strings. Lets call a spade a spade here. Who can blame them? I mean who is going to bankroll or fund raise for something they don t believe in and where their tuppence is not listened to. There are only so many village idiots to go around. They informed the county board they wanted Micko and had Euros to back it up. Half the executive jumped. The other half were cool and then public opinion ( those that were listened to) sent the whole executive on a different scent. The Masters Of Moneybags then proposed Lyons as someone acceptable to spend their money on. I doubt that will go down either.
They don t have to give the mayo county board a cent. Why should they? Ok, like the rest of us they re not getting any younger but they may still decide to keep their euros and their powder dry and wait for mare favorable conditions. If I were the Board I would not be going cap in hand to those people any time soon.
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2010, 12:29:59 AM
If I were the Board I would not be going cap in hand to those people.
I wouldn't either Moysider, tbh.
Not easy for the board to swing it, much as they might have wanted to, when public opinion within the county came out against it.
Have Castlebar Mitchells benefitted much so far from the handover of McHale Park for re-developing, given the way the financial scenario is unfolding?
QuoteIt's good to talk
It is known at this stage that I had a chat with members of the County Board executive last Sunday evening at McHale Park regarding the Mayo manager's post. A couple of lads chatting at An Sportlann, had a few shouts of encouragement for me as I made my way in. Now that I am writing this, I am beginning to wonder was it shouts of encouragement, or were they shouting at me to go home! I have received a few calls this week enquiring if I was worth a few quid at the bookies. My advice to those who asked was to keep their money in their pockets!
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Is John Maughan telling the truth or playing games again, from his column in this weeks Mayo Advertiser
Come on lads - only three posts today.
Quote from: Hardy on September 17, 2010, 04:51:13 PM
Come on lads - only three posts today.
tis slack enough all right Hardy,funnily enough i think you have more posts on this topic than the meath managers one ;)
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 17, 2010, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 17, 2010, 04:51:13 PM
Come on lads - only three posts today.
tis slack enough all right Hardy,funnily enough i think you have more posts on this topic than the meath managers one ;)
Ha ha - well spotted. We're no good at the oral football over our way.
Quote from: Hardy on September 17, 2010, 05:46:37 PM
Ha ha - well spotted. We're no good at the oral football over our way.
Oval ball game maybe ?
Might suit the likes of big Joe Sheridan :-\
Very little talk on appointment of Liam Horan as head of strategic review body.
ave to say i was pleasantly suprised for 2 reasons .... i respect his football knowledge and i don't think he would have taken on the roll unless he felt the resultant report/recommendations (or whatever is produced) would have a very strong change of being implemented.
Quote from: blast05 on September 17, 2010, 10:43:53 PM
Very little talk on appointment of Liam Horan as head of strategic review body.
ave to say i was pleasantly suprised for 2 reasons .... i respect his football knowledge and i don't think he would have taken on the roll unless he felt the resultant report/recommendations (or whatever is produced) would have a very strong change of being implemented.
He's different to me so. I would have done it for the money.
Liam always struck me as a sound man but a leprechaun has a better chance of playing midfield in an All-Ireland Final than the people of Mayo who pay money, burn petrol and stand in the rain to follow the team have of getting anything other than old blather out of this report. Sorry if that sounds harsh on Liam but that's my opinion.
why iorlar?
Because I'm tired of getting my hopes up to get my heart broken Ros. Sick, sore and tired of it. I end up like a dog that's been kicked to much, and I spend half my life just a-covering up. I was - Born in the County Mayo, Born in the County Mayo, yeah....
Sure me head is melted with them.
Whilst not doubting the abilties or intentions of Liam Horan (who I would have great time for) I feel that anything he recommends is going to cost money, and that I believe is something that is in pretty short supply at the moment. So, it may well just be window dressing as they can accept all recommendations and plead the poor mouth when it comes to the actual implementation.
I think Club Mayo have a huge part to play here, a massive opportunity in fact. Let Horan come back with whatever he comes back and throw the pot at that to ensure implementation - it would be money that is far better spent than bankrolling a new manager.There is the issue of giving the county board a blank cheque, which is not something I'd like to see but maybe some sort of oversight could be put in place.....
Is there a chance we'll get a final decision this week.
I presume a name wiol be put to the next County Board meetings.
The Carr/Maughan double act is gathering pace. The two were on with Micheal O Muircheartaigh after the All Ireland final on Sunday. Jokingly it was said that Michael would be going for the Mayo Job, but got a bit serious with Carr saying Maughan was the man and Maughan saying the word on the street is Carr would be getting it, before finishing off saying they should both do it. It was said in a bit of a mocking fashion but could not be ruled out none the less.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 20, 2010, 05:44:58 PM
The Carr/Maughan double act is gathering pace. The two were on with Micheal O Muircheartaigh after the All Ireland final on Sunday. Jokingly it was said that Michael would be going for the Mayo Job, but got a bit serious with Carr saying Maughan was the man and Maughan saying the word on the street is Carr would be getting it, before finishing off saying they should both do it. It was said in a bit of a mocking fashion but could not be ruled out none the less.
If, as rumour has it, Maughan didn't fancy fellas with too many opinions in the squad, how much will he fancy one in his own back-room team?
carr is supposedly a good friend of JM. either way a panel of players would need to be drawn up soon by the new manager and training to start individually on presumed weaknesses in those players.Next year will be open for anyone able,kerry and tyrone are not what they were and cork might not be as bothered after all the huffing and puffing to get their hands on Sam.
Dublin and the like will be pushing hard again next year, lets hope Mayo do the same.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2010, 01:14:55 AM
Because I'm tired of getting my hopes up to get my heart broken Ros. Sick, sore and tired of it. I end up like a dog that's been kicked to much, and I spend half my life just a-covering up. I was - Born in the County Mayo, Born in the County Mayo, yeah....
Sure me head is melted with them.
were all inthe same boat .
all great idea start with blather , at least this is a fresh voice . and from what we know a very knowledgeable intelligent one with no ties or scores to settle an das much as any of us hes definitely Got Mayo football close to heart .
if hes allowed to do his job i can it as nothing but a positive.
if he fails f**k hime them we call call him a waste of space but untill then we should give him all the leeway we can . and I mean we as fans as the mayo fan base has turned very nasty in the last year or so and he need to be able to do his work in in other than a hot house atmosphere with have the country sharpening their knifes from day one..
Same goes for the new manager
Unless its tommy lyons
Quote from: mannix on September 20, 2010, 07:28:58 PM
carr is supposedly a good friend of JM. either way a panel of players would need to be drawn up soon by the new manager and training to start individually on presumed weaknesses in those players.Next year will be open for anyone able,kerry and tyrone are not what they were and cork might not be as bothered after all the huffing and puffing to get their hands on Sam.
Dublin and the like will be pushing hard again next year, lets hope Mayo do the same.
The whole succession [ at this stage it actually looks like a restoration] has become a bit of a joke. Maybe I m out of touch with events but it looked like only Horan, McGarry and Kearney we re the only ones that went down the application road that the CB executive first propose? Letters and written submissions and that kind of stuff. What are the odds that the lad that gets the job will have put nothing down on paper? And what message does that give to those that were interested and did what they were told. It also appears that there was a bit of crack about The Mayo job between Tom Carr and JM and the commentator after the AI on Radio 1.
Well f**k that for smugness. Now I m gettin pissed off. Looks to me like the criteria for being the next Mayo Senior manager is a very loose recipe. It also looks like you can express no interest in the role and still get it. I mean what were they thinking coming up with criteria in the first place and then throwing the thing open like a carnival boxer's ' take all comers'. This is a mess. The whole process is now in disrepute and needs to be abandoned. This executive has less credibility than the current Taoiseach and any manager they appoint is a lame duck. Nobody will go to games. It s obvious at this stage that it is not just about a new manager. The Ex are insisting of holding on and destroying another generation. I mean I cant believe they could think they would make up and change the rules as they liked. If they wanted JM or Micko, then f**k off and appoint them, they can do that - not make pricks out of others. Everybody knew who they wanted anyway. No need to bother with the smoke. The review is another bottle of smoke.
Sorry Mannix, just highlighted that bit. We were supposed to be doin that for the last long while. Yesterday Down lost an AI, on a player weakness that was obvious all summer. He d be no stranger to the gym but can t play at that level. Down management are kicking themselves over it tonight I bet. We ve had reason to do it in the past. I m convinced the most important attributes of the next manager is selection, tactical awareness and coaching, with selection being the most important and the other 2 very important. Because if you select the wrong players coaching and tactics are like tits on a bull.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 21, 2010, 12:04:40 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2010, 01:14:55 AM
Because I'm tired of getting my hopes up to get my heart broken Ros. Sick, sore and tired of it. I end up like a dog that's been kicked to much, and I spend half my life just a-covering up. I was - Born in the County Mayo, Born in the County Mayo, yeah....
Sure me head is melted with them.
were all inthe same boat .
all great idea start with blather , at least this is a fresh voice . and from what we know a very knowledgeable intelligent one with no ties or scores to settle an das much as any of us hes definitely Got Mayo football close to heart .
if hes allowed to do his job i can it as nothing but a positive.
if he fails f**k hime them we call call him a waste of space but untill then we should give him all the leeway we can . and I mean we as fans as the mayo fan base has turned very nasty in the last year or so and he need to be able to do his work in in other than a hot house atmosphere with have the country sharpening their knifes from day one..
Same goes for the new manager
Unless its tommy lyons
I don't doubt Liam for a second Ros. It's him being allowed to do his job that I struggle with.
I'll tell you what it reminds me of. When I was in school, which is a good while ago now, the fourth year class (no Transition Year then) would put together sort of a College yearbook - a magazine type effort, with contributions from different years.
One year - and maybe they only did it the one year, because we're going back a while now - they sent a young lad down the road to interview the Bishop. The Bishop was no stranger to the place - I seem to remember we'd have Mass every couple of weeks with him, where his sermons were agin drinking and smoking and pro talking Gaeilge, especially when we were in New York and London.
Anyway, this young lad, with dreams of being Lou Grant, goes off down the road to His Worship for the interview. And then the thing came back from the printers and the first line in the interview with the Bishop was "I'd like to thank [whatever the gasúr's name was] for the opportunity to address you all."
That was one of the events that made me the bitter and suspicious man I am today. Equally, when Liam Horan's report is published, if it is published, I will not be surprised if it begins "We, the Board, would like to thank Liam Horan for the opportunity to address you all."
Maybe Liam can put smacht on them. But if he does, he'll be the first.
Agree with you on Lyons. Jesus.
Sadly the whole process has been a shambles and I think we are all sick of it at this stage and are likely to be underwhelmed by whatever decision is ultimately made. However I do think as supporters we have to get behind the new man and the team - give them a chance to make their mark, whatever our own reservations.
What is clear though is the anger amongst Mayo supporters, but like with problems in the country nobody is standing up and trying to do anything about it just giving out.
I think we all know that many candidates are not prepared to work with the current Board for one reason or another but look at the various people that have been mentioned for the job - they have all been widely criticised here. I would see the criticisms made by posters here something along the following lines:
Peter Forde - allegedly made derogatory remarks about Mayo when in Galway. Failed there. Only following Galway's bad road.
Noel Connelly - no substance. Just bluff and bluster in the dressing room.
John Maughan - been there and failed. County Board man and will not learn from his mistakes.
James Horan - untested, cannot take the risk. Does he have it anyhow?
Tommy Lyons - bullsh**er
Denis Kearney - yes he has done well with clubs but not good enough for us.
Anthony McGarry - nah, done nothing. Strike him off the list.
Micko - an old mercenary.
Tommy Carr - failed everywhere he went.
I would have my concerns about some of the candidates but where nobody can come out and clearly say - this is the man/team to lead us forward - the Board are in the same position - nobody is going to be quite good enough so we just have to live with what is decided and see what happens from there.
Can anybody give a stirring defence for any of the candidates and say - Yes, he is the man we need - with an arguement that his backed by many. I don't think so and for those reasons at the end of the day Maughan is probably the man that will get it because he has been the most successful person in the role at the end of the day. We just have to hope that he is as motiviated as before. Even with reservations about him we will be in a better place that under the last management but whether we will achieve our potential (a regular Quarter Final team with occasional semi-final chances) has to be seen.
Barney I know you didn't construct your post as a character assassination of the listed men but it could be read that way by some. Can I suggest you highlight that you are pointing out the (lazy in some cases) criticisms leveled by others and that your post is not endorsing them or claiming that they are facts?
Thanks Muppet, that is definitely what I am trying to do. Agree that many of the observations are lazy, probably from myself as well, but really I am trying to summarise is that it seems that whoever gets the job is going to be subject to sniping from the off
The Mayo News is reporting that there are 4 candidates remaining in the race - John Maughan, James Horan, Tommy Lyons and Anthony McGarry.
An inverview committee will be selected at tonight's co board meeting, and they will interview each of the candidates later with week, with the appointment to be completed early next week.
At least it's nearly over....
The odds with Stagg betting are:
Maughan 4/6
Horan 6/4
Lyons 3/1
McGarry 14/1
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10856:interview-to-decide-mayo-managers-job-&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10856:interview-to-decide-mayo-managers-job-&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
Edit - I've just seen that The Connaught Telegraph reckon Lyons is the favourite, "His appointment would be warmly welcomed by club delegates" and "An announcement on the appointment is imminent and it will be a surprise if Lyons fails to secure the job." :o :'(
The Connaught wouldn't have the most reliable track record, so hopefully they're wide of the mark here.
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1315:mayo-prepare-to-enter-lyons-den&catid=45:latest-news&Itemid=48 (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1315:mayo-prepare-to-enter-lyons-den&catid=45:latest-news&Itemid=48)
I hope it works out for you lads and Tommy gets the gig.
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2010, 12:44:27 PM
I hope it works out for you lads and Tommy gets the gig.
I'd presume your thinking is that at least there'd be absolutely no way he could then get the meath gig if he does...
Quote from: Barney on September 21, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
Noel Connelly - no substance. Just bluff and bluster in the dressing room.
John Maughan - been there and failed. County Board man and will not learn from his mistakes.
James Horan - untested, cannot take the risk. Does he have it anyhow?
Tommy Lyons - bullsh**er
Denis Kearney - yes he has done well with clubs but not good enough for us.
Anthony McGarry - nah, done nothing. Strike him off the list.
Micko - an old mercenary.
Tommy Carr - failed everywhere he went.
Harsh but IMO a true summary of each
Lyons will get it
I hope he does too as, for the rest of us, it'll keep him off the Sunday Game
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2010, 12:44:27 PM
I hope it works out for you lads and Tommy gets the gig.
Hardy, I detect more than a little hint of sarcasim. (I hope)
Quote from: Barney on September 21, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
Sadly the whole process has been a shambles and I think we are all sick of it at this stage and are likely to be underwhelmed by whatever decision is ultimately made. However I do think as supporters we have to get behind the new man and the team - give them a chance to make their mark, whatever our own reservations.
What is clear though is the anger amongst Mayo supporters, but like with problems in the country nobody is standing up and trying to do anything about it just giving out.
I think we all know that many candidates are not prepared to work with the current Board for one reason or another but look at the various people that have been mentioned for the job - they have all been widely criticised here. I would see the criticisms made by posters here something along the following lines:
Peter Forde - allegedly made derogatory remarks about Mayo when in Galway. Failed there. Only following Galway's bad road.
Noel Connelly - no substance. Just bluff and bluster in the dressing room.
John Maughan - been there and failed. County Board man and will not learn from his mistakes.
James Horan - untested, cannot take the risk. Does he have it anyhow?
Tommy Lyons - bullsh**er
Denis Kearney - yes he has done well with clubs but not good enough for us.
Anthony McGarry - nah, done nothing. Strike him off the list.
Micko - an old mercenary.
Tommy Carr - failed everywhere he went.
I would have my concerns about some of the candidates but where nobody can come out and clearly say - this is the man/team to lead us forward - the Board are in the same position - nobody is going to be quite good enough so we just have to live with what is decided and see what happens from there.
Can anybody give a stirring defence for any of the candidates and say - Yes, he is the man we need - with an arguement that his backed by many. I don't think so and for those reasons at the end of the day Maughan is probably the man that will get it because he has been the most successful person in the role at the end of the day. We just have to hope that he is as motiviated as before. Even with reservations about him we will be in a better place that under the last management but whether we will achieve our potential (a regular Quarter Final team with occasional semi-final chances) has to be seen.
Agree with most of the above, would still give it to Horan, no baggage is huge.
However, as I stated on an earlier post, do not underestimate the impact of the lack of finances on the decision making process.
Are we surprised, with what has happened to the "interview" process.
Quote from: JMohan on September 21, 2010, 01:16:01 PM
Quote from: Barney on September 21, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
Noel Connelly - no substance. Just bluff and bluster in the dressing room.
John Maughan - been there and failed. County Board man and will not learn from his mistakes.
James Horan - untested, cannot take the risk. Does he have it anyhow?
Tommy Lyons - bullsh**er
Denis Kearney - yes he has done well with clubs but not good enough for us.
Anthony McGarry - nah, done nothing. Strike him off the list.
Micko - an old mercenary.
Tommy Carr - failed everywhere he went.
Harsh but IMO a true summary of each
Lyons will get it
I hope he does too as, for the rest of us, it'll keep him off the Sunday Game
Fair enough, but do you know enough about the likes of Connelly, Horan, Kearney and McGarry to be deciding that's a true summary of each?
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2010, 12:44:27 PM
I hope it works out for you lads and Tommy gets the gig.
:D :D :D your some buck hardy
To clarify again - what I have said about the candidates is the negative remarks that have been put on the Board by various posters - not necessarily my own views.
For instance I know absolutely nothing about the management abilities of Kearney and McGarry. I don't even remember Denis Kearney playing for Mayo.
The point I am trying to make is that we all criticise the Board but every name that has been mentioned has been shot down by most, not necessarily with constructive comment, and yet we are giving out about the people that are likely to get teh job. In that way I think their job is impossible.
Quote from: joemamas on September 21, 2010, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2010, 12:44:27 PM
I hope it works out for you lads and Tommy gets the gig.
Hardy, I detect more than a little hint of sarcasim. (I hope)
Just a bit of chain-yanking. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets it, though. I'd say he interviews well.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 21, 2010, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: JMohan on September 21, 2010, 01:16:01 PM
Quote from: Barney on September 21, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
Noel Connelly - no substance. Just bluff and bluster in the dressing room.
John Maughan - been there and failed. County Board man and will not learn from his mistakes.
James Horan - untested, cannot take the risk. Does he have it anyhow?
Tommy Lyons - bullsh**er
Denis Kearney - yes he has done well with clubs but not good enough for us.
Anthony McGarry - nah, done nothing. Strike him off the list.
Micko - an old mercenary.
Tommy Carr - failed everywhere he went.
Harsh but IMO a true summary of each
Lyons will get it
I hope he does too as, for the rest of us, it'll keep him off the Sunday Game
Fair enough, but do you know enough about the likes of Connelly, Horan, Kearney and McGarry to be deciding that's a true summary of each?
The first two yes and the following two, not personally, but from what've been told probably close enough.
But let's be serious for a second ... they're not in with a real chance at all.
Lyons will most likely get it once it comes down to an interview and he spoofs at them for an hour and blinds them with BS.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 21, 2010, 12:42:02 PM
The Mayo News is reporting that there are 4 candidates remaining in the race - John Maughan, James Horan, Tommy Lyons and Anthony McGarry.
An inverview committee will be selected at tonight's co board meeting, and they will interview each of the candidates later with week, with the appointment to be completed early next week.
At least it's nearly over....
The odds with Stagg betting are:
Maughan 4/6
Horan 6/4
Lyons 3/1
McGarry 14/1
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10856:interview-to-decide-mayo-managers-job-&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10856:interview-to-decide-mayo-managers-job-&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
Edit - I've just seen that The Connaught Telegraph reckon Lyons is the favourite, "His appointment would be warmly welcomed by club delegates" and "An announcement on the appointment is imminent and it will be a surprise if Lyons fails to secure the job." :o :'(
The Connaught wouldn't have the most reliable track record, so hopefully they're wide of the mark here.
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1315:mayo-prepare-to-enter-lyons-den&catid=45:latest-news&Itemid=48 (http://www.con-telegraph.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1315:mayo-prepare-to-enter-lyons-den&catid=45:latest-news&Itemid=48)
Thankfully the Connaught are adept at making it up as they go along. I wouldn't be thinking Lyons will get the job, yet. Believe me when i say this lads, anyone could get it. Assuming that there is a concerted push at board level for a certain candidate is assuming there is a wherewithal across the county board that isn't there. I reckon it will be Horan or Maughan - because they're from inside the county. But have flaws, both have good points. Barney is 100 per cent right, there is no perfect candidate.
Anybody know why the others dropped out?? Particularly Kearney?
At this stage, I'd go for:
1. Horan
2. McGarry
3. Maughan (has the best credentials but has been there before; I'd prefer to take a punt on a new man)
4. Lyons
I agree though, the selection process is a shambles - you apply and then they pick their preferred candidates and then there's a 2nd round interview........shows a complete lack of respect for those who applied.
I'd like to see Horan, knows the club game and will likely centre the team around Dillon, our best player.
I wouldn't mind seeing Maughan, he has done a good job twice before.
On a completely unsubstantiated story, my boss was talking to Tommy Lyons son at a do last sat week and he reckoned Maughan would be offered the job, turn it down and Tommy would then be offered it and delighted to take it.
(Note: completely based on hearsay from a third source!)
QuoteOn a completely unsubstantiated story, my boss was talking to Tommy Lyons son at a do last sat week and he reckoned Maughan would be offered the job, turn it down and Tommy would hen be offered it and delighted to take it.
(Note: completely based on hearsay from a third source!)
Sounds kinda bullshitty doesn't it? Why would Maughan allow his name go forward, meet with the CB, do the interview (presumably), only to turn it down when the job is offered to him!?
well my dog pisses in the same field as tommys nephews neighbours dog and he reckons that its all a set up, jack o connor from kerry is going to get it. This is just hearsay from the dogs mouth.
Tommy Carr whom while Cavan Manager was at the Dublin/Donegal National League game standing along the side-line,when there was a full round of Cavan League Games going on at the same time. ::)
How the hell is he even in the running for whatid consider is a top tier county job like Mayo??
"Interview board for Mayo Senior manager announced, James Waldron, JP Lambe, Padraic Walsh, Denis O'Boyle, John Farragher," according to the Mayo Advertiser's Colm Gannon on Twitter.
Is that good or bad?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 21, 2010, 10:47:23 PM
"Interview board for Mayo Senior manager announced, James Waldron, JP Lambe, Padraic Walsh, Denis O'Boyle, John Farragher," according to the Mayo Advertiser's Colm Gannon on Twitter.
Is that good or bad?
Who do you want them to appoint Iolar? What would be good and what would be bad? They can only select from what s in front of them now anyway. They are an august body of men who are unlikely to do anything rash. But they could hardly do anything rash with what s in front of them.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 21, 2010, 07:11:36 PM
QuoteOn a completely unsubstantiated story, my boss was talking to Tommy Lyons son at a do last sat week and he reckoned Maughan would be offered the job, turn it down and Tommy would hen be offered it and delighted to take it.
(Note: completely based on hearsay from a third source!)
Sounds kinda bullshitty doesn't it? Why would Maughan allow his name go forward, meet with the CB, do the interview (presumably), only to turn it down when the job is offered to him!?
yeah how can you besmirch a internet discussion board with a story not fully checked with 3 sources.
I guess backroom teams may be a swaying factor at this stage.
Anybody have any details of proposed trainers, selectors etc.
Quote from: Barney on September 22, 2010, 08:38:35 AM
I guess backroom teams may be a swaying factor at this stage.
Anybody have any details of proposed trainers, selectors etc.
Good point.
Which one is Jim Kilty with?
Why not speed up the process and get to the bit where you say the new manager has to resign and it is time for another new manager?
That's a bit harsh, though I guess the manager has been gone for some time ago now.
QuoteWhy not speed up the process and get to the bit where you say the new manager has to resign and it is time for another new manager?
Says the man from the County with 3 managers in 4 years
I want Horan, because I think he wold have a good knowledge of the club-scene and as well as that, we could copy Kildare and Down in appointing new, modern young managers, OK, neither of them won Sam, but they were miles ahead of us this year.
I don't know enough about McGarry to make a judgement on him, Maughan MIGHT finally exorcise a ghost if he gets it, but it is a MIGHT. I don't know how on Earth Tommy Lyons is in the running at all.
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2010, 12:11:24 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 21, 2010, 10:47:23 PM
"Interview board for Mayo Senior manager announced, James Waldron, JP Lambe, Padraic Walsh, Denis O'Boyle, John Farragher," according to the Mayo Advertiser's Colm Gannon on Twitter.
Is that good or bad?
Who do you want them to appoint Iolar? What would be good and what would be bad? They can only select from what s in front of them now anyway. They are an august body of men who are unlikely to do anything rash. But they could hardly do anything rash with what s in front of them.
An august body of men perhaps, but in those five I see enough to see Tommy Lyons as the next Mayo manager. I hoped this wouldn't happen but I think it is what's in front of us now. Get your money on him if you want to feel any way better about it.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 22, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2010, 12:11:24 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 21, 2010, 10:47:23 PM
"Interview board for Mayo Senior manager announced, James Waldron, JP Lambe, Padraic Walsh, Denis O'Boyle, John Farragher," according to the Mayo Advertiser's Colm Gannon on Twitter.
Is that good or bad?
Who do you want them to appoint Iolar? What would be good and what would be bad? They can only select from what s in front of them now anyway. They are an august body of men who are unlikely to do anything rash. But they could hardly do anything rash with what s in front of them.
An august body of men perhaps, but in those five I see enough to see Tommy Lyons as the next Mayo manager. I hoped this wouldn't happen but I think it is what's in front of us now. Get your money on him if you want to feel any way better about it.
:o :o :o oh no
Quote from: Barney on September 22, 2010, 09:20:42 AM
QuoteWhy not speed up the process and get to the bit where you say the new manager has to resign and it is time for another new manager?
Says the man from the County with 3 managers in 4 years
Yes Barney but we don't go ON and ON and then ON and a bit more ON about it. It is exactly the same with the Sun and the England football manager. The exact same pattern year in year out. Unstoppable process.
I couldn't care less who the Galway manager is btw. I know the day will arrive when we have a decent team and we'll win another all-Ireland. There is no need for so much introspection. Is iontach an la e a bheith ag deanamh aon rud ach a bheith ag iontrospeactail mar gheall ar bhainisteoir nua Mhaigh Eo.
And for the latest the Mayo News has this:
QuoteCommittee to interview Mayo manager candidates chosen
Daniel Carey
FOOTBALL The five-man committee set up to interview the four remaining candidates for the Mayo manager's job has been finalised.
The committee will include three members of the Mayo GAA Board Executive – Chairman James Waldron, Treasurer JP Lambe and Youth Officer Pádraic Walsh. They will be joined by Denis O'Boyle, Chairperson of the Connacht Coach Education Committee, and Garrymore GAA Club delegate John Farragher.
James Waldron told Tuesday night's meeting of Mayo GAA Board that members of the Executive had spoken to four candidates – John Maughan, James Horan, Anthony McGarry and Tommy Lyons. He said that Denis Kearney had withdrawn from the contest.
"Each of the people gave an outline of what they had in mind," said Waldron. "Any of the four candidates, in our opinion, would be well capable of doing the job." Waldron said the interview process would establish each of the candidates' prospective back-room teams and "the finer details".
Waldron recommended that the three members of the Executive in addition to Denis O'Boyle should serve on the interview committee, and expressed a preference that the fifth member be a club delegate.
John Farragher (Garrymore) was proposed by Tommy Goonan (Assistant Treasurer) and seconded by Gerry Bourke (Breaffy).
Aidan Brennan was also proposed and seconded, but the Claremorris delegate said the interview committee should include "at least one" person who had played inter-county football "within the last ten or 12 years", someone "who knows what's involved and knows the commitment needed" in modern day football.
Brennan said he had "no interest" in being on the interview committee and would "step back in favour of" any player.
Anthony Egan, a former Mayo player and manager, was also proposed, but the Bonniconlon delegate agreed with Brennan that somebody who had represented Mayo "in the last ten or 15 years" would be more appropriate.
He backed a suggestion from Brendan Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels) that it might be appropriate to have Pat Holmes on the interview panel.
Crossmolina delegate Ray Mulligan proposed "bringing in a professional interviewer" who would be "used to the job" and "knows how to mark questions and answers".
However, James Waldron replied that the Executive had interviewed senior, minor and U-21 managers in the past and added: "If we're not capable of doing the job, we shouldn't be here".
Aidan Brennan said the interview panel should include "a broad spectrum" and "a spread of skills". "Pick someone and get on with it," said Peter Geraghty (Swinford).
The proposal that the interview committee include three members of the Executive in addition to Denis O'Boyle was passed overwhelmingly, with just a handful of delegates voting against. After Aidan Brennan stood down, John Farragher was appointed without a contest.
The managerial candidates are likely to be interviewed later this week. However, there was no date mentioned on Tuesday night for the next Mayo GAA Board meeting.
© Copyright The Mayo News 2010
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 22, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
An august body of men perhaps, but in those five I see enough to see Tommy Lyons as the next Mayo manager. I hoped this wouldn't happen but I think it is what's in front of us now. Get your money on him if you want to feel any way better about it.
Arrah, I dunno what's going to happen next- I suspect the Good Lord is feeling the very same as I am at the moment. Logic and Mayo football were always uneasy bedfellows.
I would have expected that Maughan would have graciously withdrawn from the race if it became obvious to him that there was going to be a real contest. Right now, he is the candidate with the highest profile and consequently the one most likely to be embarrassed if he fails to be appointed.
I have seen or heard no evidence whatever to suggest that any of the candidates still in the running has been given a guarantee of any sort. So,
if we really have a bona fide process in place, Sir John just might not be the Appointed One.
But I don't think he'd take too kindly to the role of the Disappointed One either. If it all depends on a face to face interview, a CV and an outline of proposals, Maughan knows very well that he brings as many negatives as positives with him and he really shouldn't be over-confident about the outcome.
For better or worse, I feel we're about to get Maughan, Mark Three.
As a matter of interest, what do Chairman James Waldron, Treasurer JP Lambe and Youth Officer Pádraic Walsh know about football ? Would they have the confidence of the fans ?
Nothing to do with Mayo, more GAA com-mitt-ees in general. If they don't feel comfortable interviewing and they haven'^t played fuball in the last 10-12 years what do they bring to the table ?
Betting suspended on Lyons for Mayo Football manager
Bookmakers John Mulholland have been inundated with requests for Mayo manager on Tommy Lyons at 6/1; They halved him into 3/1 before suspending the betting as it didn't stop there. With a committee meeting taking place last night to arrange interviews of the four remaining candidates, it would now appear Tommy Lyons is the main candidate and the punters choice .
Quote from: GAA_Punter on September 22, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
Betting suspended on Lyons for Mayo Football manager
Bookmakers John Mulholland have been inundated with requests for Mayo manager on Tommy Lyons at 6/1; They halved him into 3/1 before suspending the betting as it didn't stop there. With a committee meeting taking place last night to arrange interviews of the four remaining candidates, it would now appear Tommy Lyons is the main candidate and the punters choice .
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/09/22/betting-suspended-on-lyons-for-mayo-football-manager/
That should get them going again. ;D
Well this is just going to be inspiring for everyone - players and supporters alike will be giddy with excitement at the prospects of the cutting edge techniques that Tommy Lyons will bring with him from the RTE couch.
Oh yes, the good times are back ::)
At least the media will be happy - he'll give great interviews.....
If he does get it I'll wish him good luck, but I just hope this interview panel are willing to look beyond someone who gives them the easy answers they want to hear "sure there's nothing wrong with football in Mayo, just needs a fresh voice and the hop of a ball in their favour"
They should be willing to listen to a few things that aren't as easy to hear.
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Quote from: GAA_Punter on September 22, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
Betting suspended on Lyons for Mayo Football manager
Bookmakers John Mulholland have been inundated with requests for Mayo manager on Tommy Lyons at 6/1; They halved him into 3/1 before suspending the betting as it didn't stop there. With a committee meeting taking place last night to arrange interviews of the four remaining candidates, it would now appear Tommy Lyons is the main candidate and the punters choice .
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/09/22/betting-suspended-on-lyons-for-mayo-football-manager/
That should get them going again. ;D
Will a few of us Mayo lads start up a Galway manager thread for ye, so ye can concentrate on the shambles ye have on your own side of the border?? :D ;)
Quote from: GAA_Punter on September 22, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
Betting suspended on Lyons for Mayo Football manager
Bookmakers John Mulholland have been inundated with requests for Mayo manager on Tommy Lyons at 6/1; They halved him into 3/1 before suspending the betting as it didn't stop there. With a committee meeting taking place last night to arrange interviews of the four remaining candidates, it would now appear Tommy Lyons is the main candidate and the punters choice .
Sweet Jesus if you're out there NO NO NO! :-[ :-\
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 22, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2010, 12:11:24 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 21, 2010, 10:47:23 PM
"Interview board for Mayo Senior manager announced, James Waldron, JP Lambe, Padraic Walsh, Denis O'Boyle, John Farragher," according to the Mayo Advertiser's Colm Gannon on Twitter.
Is that good or bad?
Who do you want them to appoint Iolar? What would be good and what would be bad? They can only select from what s in front of them now anyway. They are an august body of men who are unlikely to do anything rash. But they could hardly do anything rash with what s in front of them.
An august body of men perhaps, but in those five I see enough to see Tommy Lyons as the next Mayo manager. I hoped this wouldn't happen but I think it is what's in front of us now. Get your money on him if you want to feel any way better about it.
looks like a lot of people took your advice r&g
Quote from: Tubberman on September 22, 2010, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 22, 2010, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: GAA_Punter on September 22, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
Betting suspended on Lyons for Mayo Football manager
Bookmakers John Mulholland have been inundated with requests for Mayo manager on Tommy Lyons at 6/1; They halved him into 3/1 before suspending the betting as it didn't stop there. With a committee meeting taking place last night to arrange interviews of the four remaining candidates, it would now appear Tommy Lyons is the main candidate and the punters choice .
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/09/22/betting-suspended-on-lyons-for-mayo-football-manager/
looks like Fahy will be getting the Galway job
That should get them going again. ;D
Will a few of us Mayo lads start up a Galway manager thread for ye, so ye can concentrate on the shambles ye have on your own side of the border?? :D ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 22, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: GAA_Punter on September 22, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
Betting suspended on Lyons for Mayo Football manager
Bookmakers John Mulholland have been inundated with requests for Mayo manager on Tommy Lyons at 6/1; They halved him into 3/1 before suspending the betting as it didn't stop there. With a committee meeting taking place last night to arrange interviews of the four remaining candidates, it would now appear Tommy Lyons is the main candidate and the punters choice .
Sweet Jesus if you're out there NO NO NO! :-[ :-\
:D :D :D :D. And we thought Micko would be a circus. Funny how things go.
it will be a decision to please the masses, the other 31 counties will be happy one less gobshite to listen to on a sunday night
Is the Dublin money talking again? I think that it can only be something like this that has catapulted him to the top of the class. God knows, any time I have seen him comment on Mayo matches he has hardly looked like a Mayo fan. I may be doing the man a dis-service there but I never sensed any passion for the green and red. I do think he did some good work with Offaly back in the day but and its a big but that was a long time ago.
Quote from: Chimley on September 22, 2010, 04:50:45 PM
Is the Dublin money talking again? I think that it can only be something like this that has catapulted him to the top of the class. God knows, any time I have seen him comment on Mayo matches he has hardly looked like a Mayo fan. I may be doing the man a dis-service there but I never sensed any passion for the green and red.
Sure he's always blowing about how he's got relatives back in Ballindine, Ballintubber or Ballyhaunis or the like. He's mentioned it enough times on the telly anyway.
Can't be a bad thing if it gets him off The Sunday Game though.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 22, 2010, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: Chimley on September 22, 2010, 04:50:45 PM
Is the Dublin money talking again? I think that it can only be something like this that has catapulted him to the top of the class. God knows, any time I have seen him comment on Mayo matches he has hardly looked like a Mayo fan. I may be doing the man a dis-service there but I never sensed any passion for the green and red.
Sure he's always blowing about how he's got relatives back in Ballindine, Ballintubber or Ballyhaunis or the like. He's mentioned it enough times on the telly anyway.
Can't be a bad thing if it gets him off The Sunday Game though.
:o How DARE you
Hurrah. The Arseboxing Era begins in Mayo...
Time to dust off the aul neutron diet again. Worked wonders for Tom Coffey.
i heard there is going to be a novena and other prayers in Knock to save us all from "the pundit".All are advised to stare at the sun.
Quote from: mannix on September 22, 2010, 05:28:41 PM
i heard there is going to be a novena and other prayers in Knock to save us all from "the pundit".All are advised to stare at the sun.
:D :D :D
Only 39 pages to go before McStay gets the job ;D
Quote from: mannix on September 22, 2010, 05:28:41 PM
i heard there is going to be a novena and other prayers in Knock to save us all from "the pundit".All are advised to stare at the sun.
Joe Coleman is coming to Knock on Saturday so maybe that's your answer!
Why not just offer Coleman the job then. Mayo managers have been livin in a fantasy world of their own for years.
Mayo could do a lot worse than get a fully committed Tommy Lyons.
He is a great manager by all account and I think the whole point of the Nutron diet thing was to give the team a greater sense of shared purpose . and it worked he got a very average Offaly team to Win a leinster title. Any fool can train and get a team Fit . But to get them to go that extra yard some time take something a bit different
Maybe Tommy can provide that.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 22, 2010, 08:37:06 PM
Mayo could do a lot worse than get a fully committed Tommy Lyons.
He is a great manager by all account and I think the whole point of the Nutron diet thing was to give the team a greater sense of shared purpose . and it worked he got a very average Offaly team to Win a leinster title. Any fool can train and get a team Fit . But to get them to go that extra yard some time take something a bit different
Maybe Tommy can provide that.
Surely you jest !
I think it would be a very different scenario in Mayo than in Offaly.
In fairness they were actually better than an average bunch of players. Offaly had played in U21 AI finals in 86 and 88, winning in 88 and won leinster u21 in 1995. But they were operating in Div 4 when Lyons took over. the only way was up.
I agree though that the nutron thing was a brilliant tool to change things.
Mayo ar a very different prospect as Dublin were also.
In fairness the neutron diet worked with them because the diets before that were more grain based.
And when I say grain, I mean grain such as barley, mixed with malt, yeast and hops and served in 16oz glasses.
I remember at the time I even tried that neutron diet myself. Had me blood tests and got me list of banned foods.
It was my introduction to pints of cider. I would never touch it before but beer was on the banned list and cider was not.
Havent recovered since.
I'd be taking that betting suspended on Tommy Lyons story with a good big pinch of salt.
You might remember that Mulholland's also suspended betting on Billy Morgan being the next Galway manager too. He won't be. After all they spend on Big Joe, the Galway Board are now getting three cups out of each teabag. They don't have the sponds to pay another mercenary. Good times are over.
So why did Mulholland's suspend betting on Billy? Because advertising in the papers costs money, but kite-flying like this is free. See Michael O'Leary was in the papers all summer with one-pilot planes, standing room only planes, no bogs on the plane? Free advertising. The better bettor fancies a cut of the free advertising too. I doubt they've seen tuppence on Tommy Lyons this week.
I must say I'm damned if I can figure out where this momentum behind Lyons is coming from, unless Lyons is attached to a big ball of sponsorship money. If he's not, there's no argument for him. If he is, and the Board reckons money is more important than winning, well - who are Connacht playing this weekend? We're all going to have to learn to love quick ruck ball. :'(
There may well be a ball of money following Lyons and our treasurer is on the interview panel and will try to take care of business if that is the case. Better a bride with a dowry - a laying hen if you like - than a penniless big spender.
It was rumoured at the time that our chairman was in favour of a Micko appointment. If so he may well back Lyons over Maughan also. Especially if Lyons comes with money. Significantly Maughan's biggest supporter on the Ex. is not on the interview board. Horan not having his clubman there lessens his chance too you would expect.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2010, 09:36:07 PM
In fairness the neutron diet worked with them because the diets before that were more grain based.
And when I say grain, I mean grain such as barley, mixed with malt, yeast and hops and served in 16oz glasses.
Wow! that's a blast from the past ...!
Someone made money on that one!
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 22, 2010, 04:32:57 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 22, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2010, 12:11:24 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 21, 2010, 10:47:23 PM
"Interview board for Mayo Senior manager announced, James Waldron, JP Lambe, Padraic Walsh, Denis O'Boyle, John Farragher," according to the Mayo Advertiser's Colm Gannon on Twitter.
Is that good or bad?
Who do you want them to appoint Iolar? What would be good and what would be bad? They can only select from what s in front of them now anyway. They are an august body of men who are unlikely to do anything rash. But they could hardly do anything rash with what s in front of them.
An august body of men perhaps, but in those five I see enough to see Tommy Lyons as the next Mayo manager. I hoped this wouldn't happen but I think it is what's in front of us now. Get your money on him if you want to feel any way better about it.
looks like a lot of people took your advice r&g
Pity I didn't take it myself!
It's not the Club Mayo in Dublin who want Tommy Lyons either. But the expenses won't have to be paid by the Co. board.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 23, 2010, 10:30:31 AM
It's not the Club Mayo in Dublin who want Tommy Lyons either. But the expenses won't have to be paid by the Co. board.
If Club Mayo aren't going to pay his "expenses," and the County Board aren't either, who will? What's going on here?
The Mayo County Board are invested with looking after the welfare of the Mayo County team. If they're actions are being dictated by someone with a chequebook I want to know who that someone is. And I thnk we all have a right to know.
PM'd you there Iolar.
What was in the PM Iolar?
If the PM was the name of who was going to pay the expenses, don't tell the name but give us a clue.
Quote from: Johnny Drama on September 23, 2010, 12:40:09 PM
If the PM was the name of who was going to pay the expenses, don't tell the name but give us a clue.
Used sponsor the Mayo club championships.
Quote from: Hardy on September 23, 2010, 12:16:11 PM
What was in the PM Iolar?
ah twas just about our leader going on a 15 hour bender in mountfalcon hardy, nothing to do with football at all . Any update on the meath managers job ;) ?
I'll send you a PM.
Didn't ya get it? Must have been confiscated by Croke park for unacceptable content.
No worries hardy. Sure send it by post and thanks for keeping me in the loop , you wouldn't have any i love meath t-shirts by any chance ?
i love meath? didn't the louth fans buy all of those after the leinster final?
Quote from: mannix on September 23, 2010, 02:21:35 PM
i love meath? didn't the louth fans buy all of those after the leinster final?
Yep - they're all gone. We're still getting mileage out of the Joe Sheridan rugby player ones, though.
(Like a few dozen hilariously original comedians here).
Quote from: Hardy on September 23, 2010, 02:41:54 PM
Quote from: mannix on September 23, 2010, 02:21:35 PM
i love meath? didn't the louth fans buy all of those after the leinster final?
Yep - they're all gone. We're still getting mileage out of the Joe Sheridan rugby player ones, though.
(Like a few dozen hilariously original comedians here).
Good try
JoeHardy, try as you do to try to move on from the
trygoal that wasn't your tries still cone up as...must try better. :-[
At least that was funny.
Got that pm, you'd think Anglo Irish had enough problems without funding the Mayo job.
If it is going to be Lyons, and if that is because the Board have essentially auctioned off the job, maybe we need to decide beforehand what exactly we're getting. What we would consider a success. I don't want to pick on Barney but something he said a few days ago is to the point here.
Quote from: Barney on September 21, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
whether we will achieve our potential (a regular Quarter Final team with occasional semi-final chances) has to be seen.
See, what makes that interesting in this context is that Tommy Lyons can deliver that. And when Tommy Lyons gets Mayo to an All-Ireland quarter-final and they lose, Tommy's media cheerleaders, by whom I mean Tom Humphries, will say great job Tommy, you got as much out of them as is there.
Humphries loved Tommy Lyons when he managed Dublin and was amused at the thought of Mayo people daring to think that they could challenge for All-Ireland honours.
So this is what it boils down to. If, as Barney contends, Mayo's potential is a regular semi-final team with occasional semi-final chances, Tommy Lyons is exactly the man for the job. If Mayo's potential is that they can and should win an All-Ireland than maybe it's hard to see what's so special about Tommy Lyons.
I wonder what the interview panel see as Mayo's potential? Are they looking for a man to maybe get Mayo to a quarter-final, a man with the baggage to pay off their debts or a man to lead Mayo to an All-Ireland title?
I think we deserve to know. I'm tired of being taken for granted with this bullshit.
i think we are getting john o' mahony mark111 without the all irelands
some of you sound like you know t lyons is going to get the job, are you mind readers or can you say outright how you know.
Maughan's ruled himself out - it's down to Horan, McGarry and that other guy now.
http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/31471
Maughan out of race as pack reduces to three
MAYO ADVERTISER, SEPTEMBER 24, 2010.
GAA: Exclusive
By Colm Gannon
Former Mayo manager John Maughan ruled himself out of the running for the vacant Mayo senior managers job late on Thursday evening. The Crossmolina native who three times guided Mayo the All Ireland senior final confirmed to the Mayo Advertiser that he would not be going forward to the interview stage of the process. He told the Advertiser that he was "very interested in the job, but following a discussion with chairman of the county board on Thursday he decided not to pursue his interest in the position any further. "
Maughan had previously two stints as manager of the Mayo senior team during both terms he guided them to the All Ireland senior finals, as well as a u21 final in 2004. The withdrawal of the Crossmolina man has now put bookies favorite Tommy Lyons in an even stronger position ahead of any interviews taking place. Lyons is the only man of the three remaining candidates for the position who has any senior inter county management experience having managed both Offaly and Dublin to Lenister titles. It was a Lyons managed Offaly side in 1997 whom a Mayo team managed by John Maughan beat in the All Ireland semi final. The other two men who remain in the race are Ballintubber manager James Horan and former Mayo player Anthony McGarry.
Say no more. He s obviously been told the job is going elsewhere. And he has withdrawn while he can still save face. Unless - and it s a long shot - that these fellas have enough moral fibre to do the right thing and appoint either of the 2 of the original 3, we get .... well, who s left.
Anybody for Micko now? Won? 9 AI s and 2 Leinsters, with 2 different counties that had never won anything in living memory. Not good enough for us though. Unless our county board have late balls we end up with a spoofer. Another one. Another 2 to 4 years wasted. I doubt there is another county in the country could have even imagined this. Signs were ominous when candidates that heard something, started droppin out. Maughan must have thought he was too big and in control and a made man. Until the chairman quietly sat him down. Still time for Sir John to look elsewhere if he needs to kill time.. Galway would be worth a sniff. Leitrim and Sligo seem to be occupied for another year at least. Who wrote this script?
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2010, 12:41:57 AM
Anybody for Micko now? Won? 9 AI s and 2 Leinsters, with 2 different counties that had never won anything in living memory.
3 Leinsters.
It's Tommy that only has 2. ;)
We're on page 64 of this discussion. I think that the tin hat will be put on this whole sorry affair when the 6th post on page 66 will be the official confirmation of Lyons' appointment.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666.
I won't be sleeping for quite some time.
Feckin Hell ... surely there's another twist or two left in this yet :o
Quote from: spectator on September 24, 2010, 12:56:16 AM
Feckin Hell ... surely there's another twist or two left in this yet :o
Tommy Lyons to have used up all his cliches before being appointed, then is lost for words and the job is given to James Horan.
Quote from: mannix on September 23, 2010, 07:48:00 PM
some of you sound like you know t lyons is going to get the job, are you mind readers or can you say outright how you know.
didn#t you hear all our insiders knew for sure Maughan was getting it before the interview panel was even named.
in other words don believe a word till you see white smoke
Well it looks obvious now it will be Lyons manager with a backroom team of McGarry and Horan or some sort of combination of the three. Maughan was probably asked would he be in for a three pronged management team but he probably wouldn't be suited to that.
When is the FBD final in New York does anyone know?
Underwhelmed to be honest but Tommy is out leader now it seems so its time to get behind him and the team, put our preconeived ideas away and judge him on his performance over the next 12 months.
The big thing that will influence a lot of views is who he will have with him. Guess would be that the two other candidates, Horan and McGarry will come on board with Horan ready to step up in the future.
10th of October is the FBD final.
Underwhelming for sure. Could also be described as a sense of resignation and indifference at this stage.
There have been a lot of twists in this saga so far, so will wait and see what the definite outcome is.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 24, 2010, 12:45:09 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2010, 12:41:57 AM
Anybody for Micko now? Won? 9 AI s and 2 Leinsters, with 2 different counties that had never won anything in living memory.
3 Leinsters.
It's Tommy that only has 2. ;)
He has an AI club title managing Kilmacud Crokes as well. Not a bad CV. The wheels came off with Dublin a bit after Cluxton swung the boot at an Armagh player and got sent off, then he had a pop at Cluxton on the TV after. He might bite his tongue this time and keep it for the dressing room if he has any criticism off the Mayo players to do.
Mayo will get what Mayo deserve. Lyons is a manager born for a county like Mayo. A match that was waiting to happen. Meanwhile Galway will slowly rebuild. Roscommon might add another Connacht, even the posers Sligo will get another years publicity but ultimitley win nothing.Alas poor Mayo, what have you done for fate to shag you in such a cruel way?
Lads. What's going on?
We've managed to discuss this over sixty threads. There was a lot of talk at the start about nothing less than a root and branch revision of structure and policy in County Mayo. There was all that yak about a review. And how do we react when we're staring down the barrel of a man being appointed because he has money behind him?
Like this:
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 08:33:44 AM
Tommy is out leader now it seems so its time to get behind him and the team.
After sixty pages are we going to lie down and have our bellies tickled? Or will we ask the question our fellow Mayoman asked in a different code a quarter of a century ago: Where's your f**king pride? How can we sit back and just accept this shite?
What do you suggest we do Iolar? A strongly worded letter to the Western People perhaps? Boycott the games? Oh sorry, I forgot. We've already stopped going to the games.
Iolar - its sad and true that we just will be standing back and accepting what happens for better or for worse.
The thing is rotten to the core. Debt-ridden, in-fighting, politically motivated, and self-interested. We get what we deserved. Our clubs will stand by. The senior people there will not listen to ordinary supporters. They have our say at County Board meetings.
What can be done? These are shrewd operators politically that have been in place for 20/30 years and despite their failures, and agendas anybody that gets in their way will be quickly pushed out of the way.
At the same time none of us were able to come up with a candidate that we could say - yes, the real genuine Mayo supporters will be happy with this man - so whoever was selected they were in a lose lose.
But this is not about football for these lads, it is about power.
I don't know how the players feel but if they are not happy they are as gutless off the field as on it. Whatever you may think about them the lads in Cork stood up to their Board - they brought about some change, but not alot.
i'd say John Maughan saw who was on the panel and knew weel that the job is Tommys ,sure christ his name wasn't in any ones lips untill 2 weeks ago . i can't understand why they don't go for James Horan , he knows the club scene inside out ( when was the last time lyons was at a club scene ) he is young and a manager to whom the players would look up to and respect if lyons gets the job there will be even fewer die hard supporters at mayo games this year
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 12:17:32 PM
At the same time none of us were able to come up with a candidate that we could say - yes, the real genuine Mayo supporters will be happy with this man - so whoever was selected they were in a lose lose.
Not true Barney. Not true at all.
Horan or Kearney or McGarry would have been totally acceptable to real genuine Mayo supporters. They would have been welcome with open arms. Even Maughan, for all his past issues, still has an aura in Mayo. But the Lyons appointment stinks like sewage in the sun. Unless his written proposal is up there with the Third Secret of Fatima there is no case to be made for Lyons being better than those four I named. And from what I heard, the proposal is all old chat. The only sensible reason for his appointment, according to rumour, is money. And that's disgraceful.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2010, 12:07:48 PM
What do you suggest we do Iolar? A strongly worded letter to the Western People perhaps? Boycott the games? Oh sorry, I forgot. We've already stopped going to the games.
Yes Moysider. A boycott is exactly what I'm suggesting. The boycott was invented in Mayo. It's time we brought it home.
If County Board only care about money then the people that care about a winning team should hit them where it hurts. Attend no league games in Castlebar. Buy no shirts. Buy club lotto, of course. Support your clubs. But make a list of any activity from which the Board gets a cut and have nothing to do with it.
I'm not sure how gates for away games divide up. If the Mayo Board don't get money for away games then by all means continue to support the team by attending away games. But for what the Board have done, you must take your lesson from Parnell:
you must shun him on the roadside when you meet him–you must shun him in the streets of the town–you must shun him in the shop – you must shun him on the fair green and in the market place, and even in the place of worship, by leaving him alone, by putting him in moral Coventry, by isolating him from the rest of the country, as if he were the leper of old – you must show him your detestation of the crime he committed.
I only pray that someone on the Board reads this and shows sense before it's too late.
I agree with you Iolar but I still think there would have been a lot of grumbling (not to the same degree) if Kearney or McGarry were appointed in particular, definitely if Maughan was taken on again, and less so if it was James Horan. As it developed I would have been excited to see Horan given a chance. he is a young Mayo man. Knows the club game. Was a great Mayo footballer and wanted the job. Yes he is inexperienced but we are as well to take that chance. Others have and succeeded.
If it is money that is the guiding factor well that stinks. Is it the people with money that are pushing the agenda? I would have guessed Lyons would cost more than Horan for instance?
The crowds are already gone, those that do go just sit bemused and obiediently.
We shafted Mickey Moran - the last four years and the future are our penance.
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 12:52:39 PM
I agree with you Iolar but I still think there would have been a lot of grumbling (not to the same degree) if Kearney or McGarry were appointed in particular, definitely if Maughan was taken on again, and less so if it was James Horan. As it developed I would have been excited to see Horan given a chance. he is a young Mayo man. Knows the club game. Was a great Mayo footballer and wanted the job. Yes he is inexperienced but we are as well to take that chance. Others have and succeeded.
If it is money that is the guiding factor well that stinks. Is it the people with money that are pushing the agenda? I would have guessed Lyons would cost more than Horan for instance?
The crowds are already gone, those that do go just sit bemused and obiediently.
We shafted Mickey Moran - the last four years and the future are our penance.
That's Calvinism Barney. There is no pre-destination here. There is no law that says we have to put up with bullshit cynical appointments. Grumbling isn't what I'm hearing about Lyons. I hear sins crying to Heaven for vengeance.
Quotei'd say John Maughan saw who was on the panel and knew weel that the job is Tommys ,sure christ his name wasn't in any ones lips untill 2 weeks ago .
Tommy would have to be replaced on the Sunday Game? I wonder who they would get?
Its a farce, our outgoing chairman has proclaimed the clubs wanted a mayo man. Sorry, they said they wanted a man from inside the county James. The spin has begun that this was the clubs choice. A committee was formed the other night with 5 men, this consisted of three executive members so therefore no matter what the other two want they have no say. The committee have not met up yet, however the chairman and John Maughan have a chat, John is gone. The decision is made, clubs had no input into it,the three executive members made the decision.
Now we have a chance, go back to your clubs demand a club meeting and get your delegates to stop this CB decision. They could do it in Meath, now is the time for us to stand up to the County Board for once and for all.
Quote from: REDCOL on September 24, 2010, 01:07:55 PM
Its a farce, our outgoing chairman has proclaimed the clubs wanted a mayo man. Sorry, they said they wanted a man from inside the county James. The spin has begun that this was the clubs choice. A committee was formed the other night with 5 men, this consisted of three executive members so therefore no matter what the other two want they have no say. The committee have not met up yet, however the chairman and John Maughan have a chat, John is gone. The decision is made, clubs had no input into it,the three executive members made the decision.
Now we have a chance, go back to your clubs demand a club meeting and get your delegates to stop this CB decision. They could do it in Meath, now is the time for us to stand up to the County Board for once and for all.
Good boy Rel Col, well said! If they take us away boys, who'll take our place? Make a choice, and pick a side. This is a seminal moment in Mayo football. We spend a lot of time jawing. Let's see what we're made of.
Iolar, I actually like your idea of a boycott of home league games. However, I would get labeled as a bandwagon jumper come championship time and there's one accusation I would not be happy with. Away league games would be hard to fit in if there are club games on those weekends. PS, clubs HAVE to sell a certain amount of Co. board tickets or else the county board comes after them.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
Iolar, I actually like your idea of a boycott of home league games. However, I would get labeled as a bandwagon jumper come championship time and there's one accusation I would not be happy with. Away league games would be hard to fit in if there are club games on those weekends. PS, clubs HAVE to sell a certain amount of Co. board tickets or else the county board comes after them.
I'm not involved in a club so I'm open to direction on this. Thanks for bringing the issue up.
See, as I see it, it's all a big game of bluff. If the sales of the tickets are so important to the Board, doesn't that work in the other direction? Can the clubs say to the Board there is no way we're selling those tickets if you appoint a manager of whom we do not approve? Is that not a stalemate at worst?
Every club has a quota of tickets, Senior clubs have to sell around 70, if you do not sell them fine just give the County Board 7000 of a levy. Its lose lose
Some clubs are not overly concerned with who's managing the county team
Whatever about boycotts and refusal to sell tickets, the most straightforward and easiest way to ensure TL is not the next manager is for the club delegates to vote against it as Redcol said.
The appointment has to be ratified, the CB can't install anyone without the approval of the clubs (much as they wish they could).
A campaign of sorts should be started - the grassroot members have to let their club delegates know that they don't want TL as the next manager, particularly if the alleged reasons for the appointment are true.
This is a ridiculous situation, and there is no way I can possibly believe this decision (if it comes to pass) is being made for the benefit of Mayo football.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 24, 2010, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
Iolar, I actually like your idea of a boycott of home league games. However, I would get labeled as a bandwagon jumper come championship time and there's one accusation I would not be happy with. Away league games would be hard to fit in if there are club games on those weekends. PS, clubs HAVE to sell a certain amount of Co. board tickets or else the county board comes after them.
I'm not involved in a club so I'm open to direction on this. Thanks for bringing the issue up.
See, as I see it, it's all a big game of bluff. If the sales of the tickets are so important to the Board, doesn't that work in the other direction? Can the clubs say to the Board there is no way we're selling those tickets if you appoint a manager of whom we do not approve? Is that not a stalemate at worst?
as regards tickets i can't understand why the clubs haven't got together allready and told the board NO we are not selling these tickets any more (do they fine the club if you do not sell your allocated amount ) i used to allways buy one but not anymore i give my money directly to the club where at least i know it will be appreciated and jesus our own clubs need as much help as possible. Clubs are treated like Shit . The board created the mess re Mc Hale park and its financial woes let them sort it f**king out.
Why the anti-Lyons hysteria lads?
He's won an AI club.... an NFL and Leinster with Offaly.
Regardless of his smug personality on the Sunday Game he has a decent managerial record and wouldnt be taking on the job unless he was confident of bringing some success. The talent is there (based on recent underage titles) to win Connacht and make the last 4. Lyons is well capable of delivering that in my opinion.
Quote from: ross matt on September 24, 2010, 02:12:33 PM
Why the anti-Lyons hysteria lads?
He's won an AI club.... an NFL and Leinster with Offaly.
Regardless of his smug personality on the Sunday Game he has a decent managerial record and wouldnt be taking on the job unless he was confident of bringing some success. The talent is there (based on recent underage titles) to win Connacht and make the last 4. Lyons is well capable of delivering that in my opinion.
John o' mahony has a decent managerial recoard as well ross matt and look where that got us , if lyons gets appointed it will be more of the same auld shite
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 24, 2010, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: ross matt on September 24, 2010, 02:12:33 PM
Why the anti-Lyons hysteria lads?
He's won an AI club.... an NFL and Leinster with Offaly.
Regardless of his smug personality on the Sunday Game he has a decent managerial record and wouldnt be taking on the job unless he was confident of bringing some success. The talent is there (based on recent underage titles) to win Connacht and make the last 4. Lyons is well capable of delivering that in my opinion.
John o' mahony has a decent managerial recoard as well ross matt and look where that got us , if lyons gets appointed it will be more of the same auld shite
I could understand the hysteria if he was stopping Mickey Harte getting the job but he isn't. Bar Maughan the others are completely unproven at the top level. They could be good but equally they could turn out to be pure useless.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 24, 2010, 02:30:34 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 24, 2010, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: ross matt on September 24, 2010, 02:12:33 PM
Why the anti-Lyons hysteria lads?
He's won an AI club.... an NFL and Leinster with Offaly.
Regardless of his smug personality on the Sunday Game he has a decent managerial record and wouldnt be taking on the job unless he was confident of bringing some success. The talent is there (based on recent underage titles) to win Connacht and make the last 4. Lyons is well capable of delivering that in my opinion.
John o' mahony has a decent managerial recoard as well ross matt and look where that got us , if lyons gets appointed it will be more of the same auld shite
I could understand the hysteria if he was stopping Mickey Harte getting the job but he isn't. Bar Maughan the others are completely unproven at the top level. They could be good but equally they could turn out to be pure useless.
true but how will we ever know if we don't give them a chance, imo James Horan would care more about Mayo football than Tommy Lyons
I actually cannot believe ye are about to do this. Maughan would be better.
TBH it's not a good sign when Maughan/Carr pull out before a interview
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 24, 2010, 12:35:21 PM
Yes Moysider. A boycott is exactly what I'm suggesting. The boycott was invented in Mayo. It's time we brought it home.
If County Board only care about money then the people that care about a winning team should hit them where it hurts. Attend no league games in Castlebar. Buy no shirts. Buy club lotto, of course. Support your clubs. But make a list of any activity from which the Board gets a cut and have nothing to do with it.
Tommy Lyons attends Mayo's first NFL match in McHale Park:
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF69/076213.jpg)
Tommy Lyons and his grassroots support base.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 24, 2010, 03:05:46 PM
I actually cannot believe ye are about to do this. Maughan would be better.
JM was run out of town by (so-called) supporters some of whom had driven Ciaran McDonald away a few years earlier. Both of them were as good as we have had in their respective roles in decades. The M&M show got us to a final in their only year but no tears were shed by the majority of supporters when they were dumped for the returning prodigal son. It shows that we, the supporters, know jack-shit.
Now we are on the verge of appointing a man with some experience over a couple of guys with none. After the toothless performances this year it looks like we need an inspirational local figure to put some fire in the bellies or a very clever outsider. I would have gone for the real local such as a dual All-Star winner. However the M&M show demonstrated that apparently unheralded outsiders (Lyons would be a lot more local than they were) can pick up the reins and get off to a flyer.
My head says if it is to be Tommy we should give him a chance. I would say though that we will have a fair idea before the end of the League if the players haven't bought in to him. If that happened next year would be messy. If the players do get on board who knows? Anything is possible with a Mayo team.
My heart would still give James the nod though.
Yiz are all mad
Any rumours on selectors - that could be the selling point.
Mike Finnerty said in the Mayo News that Maughan was putting together an impressive team - who was on that?
Who will Tommy have?
Would James have some of his playing colleagues?
It is the full package that really is going to be decisive here.
Talks of boycotss at the end of the day are not going to get us anywhere either. Whatever chance the man has if everybody is pulling against him he cannot succeed before he starts, and that won't be his fault.
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 04:15:50 PM
Any rumours on selectors - that could be the selling point.
Mike Finnerty said in the Mayo News that Maughan was putting together an impressive team - who was on that?
Who will Tommy have?
Would James have some of his playing colleagues?
It is the full package that really is going to be decisive here.
Talks of boycotss at the end of the day are not going to get us anywhere either. Whatever chance the man has if everybody is pulling against him he cannot succeed before he starts, and that won't be his fault.
McGarry had Kevin O'Neill, Pat Fallon and kenny Mortimer as part of his back room team. Lyons has none picked yet, An Other for the time being. The selectors to be picked after appointment with the County Board. Dont know about Horans back room team.
Tommy Lyons. This is what Wikipidia has to say about him.
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Tommy Lyons is a retired Irish Gaelic football manager from County Mayo[1] who has managed 2 inter-county sides in his time. He also managed club side Kilmacud Crokes to All-Ireland glory on St. Patricks Day, 1995. He also spent time as chairman of Crokes, until 2007. He is also a regular pannellist/analyst on RTÉ's The Sunday Game. Although born in County Mayo, Lyons considers himself a Dubliner, having moved to Dublin at a very young age. Lyons playing career with Kilmacud Crokes ended early due to a persistent knee injury. A screw had to be placed within the knee at one point, which hindered his running ability. The screw was removed from his head for the purpose.
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1 Offaly (1997-1999)
2 Dublin (2002-2004)
3 Celebrity Bainisteoir
4 References
[edit] Offaly (1997-1999)
Lyons was announced as Offaly manager in late 1996. In his first year in charge, they won a Leinster Championship beating then All Ireland champions Meath in the final by an extraordinary fluke and the infliction of witchcraft, voodoo spells and malevolent imprecations on the Meath players. Offaly were beaten in the next game, the All-Ireland semi-final that year. Offaly followed their championship exploits with victory in the National Football League. They were beaten early on in both the Leinster Championshiops of '98 and '99 and following this, Lyons and Offaly parted ways. Lyons returned to his position as an analyst on The Sunday Game and purveyor of the myth that there exists a "gain line" in the game of Gaelic football.
[edit] Dublin (2002-2004)
A full record of the performance of Dublin between 2002 and 2004 is available at: [1]
Lyons was confirmed as the new Dublin football manager in October 2001. Dublin had a poor league campaign and only avoided relegation following an away draw with Galway on the last day. Dublin came in to the All Ireland Championship as rank outsiders for the first time in many years and following a poor performance over Wexford, Dublin's chances were written off even further. Dublin also faced a tricky Leinster semi-final against Meath a team they hadn't beaten in 7 years. Lyons had risked bringing in a lot inexperienced players such as Ray Cosgrove, Alan Brogan and John McNally. Dublin won the day, beating Meath with all the new players playing well, especially Cosgrove who scored 2-2 himself. Dublin went on to win Leinster, beating Kildare in the final, and reach the All-Ireland semi-final following victory after a replay over Donegal. In the semi-final, against Armagh, Dublin went in as favourites but lost by a point.
Lyons had played a media game during his first year in charge. When the standard of the team's performances dropped in 2003, the media game Lyons had played came back to haunt him. Lyons's success in his first year was not repeated in the following two years with Dublin failing to win leinster or get past the quarter finals of the All-Ireland. Lyons and the media's relationship got so bad that by the Summer of 2004, he refused to reveal the team to the media until minutes before throw-in. This well-thought out strategy had as much success as his other putative match-winning initiatives and Dublin's success rate in that year was down to their usual low standard.
[edit] Celebrity Bainisteoir
In 2008, Tommy was mentor to Glenda Gilson who was managing "Crumlin" for RTÉ's Celebrity Bainisteoir.
[edit] References
1.^ "Lyons concerned about rise in spectator abuse".
Quote from: REDCOL on September 24, 2010, 01:07:55 PM
Its a farce, our outgoing chairman has proclaimed the clubs wanted a mayo man. Sorry, they said they wanted a man from inside the county James. The spin has begun that this was the clubs choice. A committee was formed the other night with 5 men, this consisted of three executive members so therefore no matter what the other two want they have no say. The committee have not met up yet, however the chairman and John Maughan have a chat, John is gone. The decision is made, clubs had no input into it,the three executive members made the decision.
Now we have a chance, go back to your clubs demand a club meeting and get your delegates to stop this CB decision. They could do it in Meath, now is the time for us to stand up to the County Board for once and for all.
Redol, one of your fellow club mates is on the interviewing commitee, have you spoken to him. Better still, when the club have this years AGM, you get get someone to propose you as the club delegate.
Apologies, i also forgot to mention that the treasurer, south board chairman, and president all hail from the great south mayo club, you really should be putting pressure on this guys to get your man (whoever you believe) in the dreaded hot seat
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 04:15:50 PM
Any rumours on selectors - that could be the selling point.
Mike Finnerty said in the Mayo News that Maughan was putting together an impressive team - who was on that?
Who will Tommy have?
Would James have some of his playing colleagues?
It is the full package that really is going to be decisive here.
Talks of boycotss at the end of the day are not going to get us anywhere either. Whatever chance the man has if everybody is pulling against him he cannot succeed before he starts, and that won't be his fault.
it seemz early to pick de team b4 he get the job no?
anyway surely it cant b dat different to the old team cept a few of de young ladz. no?
Welcome boosabum, I am aware of the links with the committee as I have already stated this committee is only for show as the executive have the final decision, if you are from our club you will know that this issue will be debated robustly at a club meeting. Who I want as Mayo Manager is irrelevant, the decision should be made by the clubs not the executive.
Interesting thoughts from a few of Tommys ex players.
With Jim Gavin, Darcy coached the Dublin under-21 side to an All Ireland in 2003, though the team was officially managed by Tommy Lyons. What was their relationship with Lyons at the time? "It was frosty enough. If Tommy walked into this room now I would have great craic with him but I don't agree with his approach to management. He had a very different agenda to Tommy Carr." - Declan Darcy
The book entitled Dessie Tangled Up In Blue was co-written with Seán Potts. In the book, he was highly critical of Tommy Lyons and his management style. - Dessie Farrell
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 04:15:50 PM
Talks of boycotss at the end of the day are not going to get us anywhere either. Whatever chance the man has if everybody is pulling against him he cannot succeed before he starts, and that won't be his fault.
Well, maybe if doesn't start in the first place we won't have this problem Barney.
In relation to what other posters have mentioned, about why so virulent an anti-Lyons reaction, people are upset is because we were promised a proper selection process.
When that didn't materialise, we had come to terms with Maughan III. There was an argument for giving youth its fling also. Sure there was nothing guaranteed but at least they are all our own. Never in our wildest dreams did we think we'd have Tommy Lyons foisted on us.
Someone made a Mickey Moran comparison. Mickey Moran inherited a team that had let itself down in an All-Ireland and wanted to go back. Tommy will be starting from a much lower base. We've been betrayed.
Quote from: REDCOL on September 24, 2010, 05:16:55 PM
Welcome boosabum, I am aware of the links with the committee as I have already stated this committee is only for show as the executive have the final decision, if you are from our club you will know that this issue will be debated robustly at a club meeting. Who I want as Mayo Manager is irrelevant, the decision should be made by the clubs not the executive.
Interesting thoughts from a few of Tommys ex players.
With Jim Gavin, Darcy coached the Dublin under-21 side to an All Ireland in 2003, though the team was officially managed by Tommy Lyons. What was their relationship with Lyons at the time? "It was frosty enough. If Tommy walked into this room now I would have great craic with him but I don't agree with his approach to management. He had a very different agenda to Tommy Carr." - Declan Darcy
The book entitled Dessie Tangled Up In Blue was co-written with Seán Potts. In the book, he was highly critical of Tommy Lyons and his management style. - Dessie Farrell
Redcol, I've heard Maughan withdrew because he objected to a member of the committee. Has this any basis in reality
maughan III was a mirage seen by posters here and so too is tommy lyons until/if he is appointed .
no one is betrayed the process is still ongoing.
and no just because 60(64) pages of waffle have been spouted here it does not entitle any one to have any greater say. how deluded is that; the committee men for better or worse have and will always have the final say on who the next manager will be and the one after that.
as has been pointed out the only say we can have in that is by contacting you club delegate and not by some cowardly anonymous boycott .
time to reconnect with reality here
The clubs did and still do have a say, they were asked to nominate people for the position, the delegates decided that micko was not the answer and they will have the final say in ratifying the proposal of the committee. As for the committe itself, well you have the outgoing and incoming chairmen, the treasure ( as the cost is a huge factor ) and two others nominated by the delegates. Everyone has there own opinion but the process is not all spoke and mirrors plus this is how gaa hq declare the process should be carried out - remember the cork football strike.
Mayo football is at a low and whoever the new manager will be should be commended and support for taking on a thankless task. We expect to compete for all irelands based on a tradition from 60 years ago. Most managers ultimately end in failure and sadly for us it's inglouriously failure.
Quote from: boosabum on September 24, 2010, 07:08:31 PM
We expect to compete for all irelands based on a tradition from 60 years ago. Most managers ultimately end in failure and sadly for us it's inglouriously failure.
What about 1996? Was that 60 years ago? Mayo are in the doldrums but they won't be forever.
Look at Galway . Totally out of it in the 80s and then came around and won 2 all-Irelands.
What club nominated Tommy Lyons?
Quote from: seafoid on September 24, 2010, 08:40:24 PM
Quote from: boosabum on September 24, 2010, 07:08:31 PM
We expect to compete for all irelands based on a tradition from 60 years ago. Most managers ultimately end in failure and sadly for us it's inglouriously failure.
What about 1996? Was that 60 years ago? Mayo are in the doldrums but they won't be forever.
Look at Galway . Totally out of it in the 80s and then came around and won 2 all-Irelands.
Tt
Galway had a class manager for those all irelands!!!
You must remember that we also went a decade without a provential title either.
89, 96, 97, 04, 06; tradition of failure, 25 years without minor success either
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2010, 08:43:45 PM
What club nominated Tommy Lyons?
ultimately, if Lyons is the pick of the bunch the delegates can reject him like Banty in Monaghan
then the process can continue until someone is ratified. I think the board did say at the beginning of the process that they would seek names also. Remember that Maughan was nominated but had to be contacted by the chairman I believe to get his hat in the ring.
I hope all the runners will be in castlebar over the weekend to run the eye over the 120 or so players on parade
Unbelievable opprobrium being heaped on Lyons, it would have been ludicrous to go down the road of Maughan again, that well has been drained enough. Lyons deserves his chance, his record is far from atrocious and he does have a genuine passion for Mayo. He certainly can't be any worse than what we've witnessed over the last 4 years. Good to see others from outside the county having a guffaw, they all have such stellar men in charge themselves.
Quote from: Mac2 on September 24, 2010, 09:51:45 PM
Unbelievable opprobrium being heaped on Lyons, it would have been ludicrous to go down the road of Maughan again, that well has been drained enough. Lyons deserves his chance, his record is far from atrocious and he does have a genuine passion for Mayo. He certainly can't be any worse than what we've witnessed over the last 4 years. Good to see others from outside the county having a guffaw, they all have such stellar men in charge themselves.
Really?! Sorry but we're talking complete spoofer here
I would be in the anyone but Maughan camp as well. Pleased that it won't be him, I'd rather not get to a final than go into another one with him in charge knowing we haven't a hope in hell of winning because he'll bollox it up again somehow (Seriously like, Fergal feckin Kelly - i'll never forgive him for that one).
Not saying Lyons is the answer by any means though. The backroom team will be interesting if it happens, hopefully people with good knowledge within the county. No point having a go at him because of his spoofing on the Sunday Game, my main worry is that its a long time since he's done, well, anything really - its a total shot in the dark hiring him...suppose the same could have been said of Horan, McGarry or Kearney.
By the way on the mobile phone version of this site we're now past 200 pages on this topic..!
I'll try my best to get this thread to the magic 100 mark.
Anyway, you never know how managers and players will take to each other and what they can achieve. Big joe and Galway looked like a perfect match and that was a disaster in many ways. If tommy can spoof the players into believing they can beat any team and play with passion and drive, I'll be more than happy. The ground work can be carried out for Maurice Horan to then take the reigns after guiding Limerick to there first munster title in donkeys years
Quote from: paddypastit on September 24, 2010, 10:29:32 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on September 24, 2010, 09:51:45 PM
Unbelievable opprobrium being heaped on Lyons, it would have been ludicrous to go down the road of Maughan again, that well has been drained enough. Lyons deserves his chance, his record is far from atrocious and he does have a genuine passion for Mayo. He certainly can't be any worse than what we've witnessed over the last 4 years. Good to see others from outside the county having a guffaw, they all have such stellar men in charge themselves.
Really?! Sorry but we're talking complete spoofer here
And of course we got none of that from Johnno
Quote from: boosabum on September 24, 2010, 10:59:08 PM
I'll try my best to get this thread to the magic 100 mark.
Anyway, you never know how managers and players will take to each other and what they can achieve. Big joe and Galway looked like a perfect match and that was a disaster in many ways. If tommy can spoof the players into believing they can beat any team and play with passion and drive, I'll be more than happy. The ground work can be carried out for Maurice Horan to then take the reigns after guiding Limerick to there first munster title in donkeys years
Being a bit nasty here, but what players? I know it is harsh and that the last 4 years management were a joke but I still don t think last year's Mayo players can still consider themselves as Mayo players going forward. Some will be but many will not. The board should have drawn a line under the last 4 years by deliberately standing down the 2010 panel and thanking them for their past commitment. Then start with a new broom. We have to start again like last 4 years never existed. Except they did to bury any credibility we had left. Last year s panel have no credibility. To think that anybody who played championship 2010 has to be impressed by the new manager - whoever that may be - to perform, is absolutely cat. Any of them that survive will be far from judging the new man. They are in no position to do any judging after indulging 4 years of the last crap. I don't remember anybody walking out in disgust even though they knew it was shite. To suggest that we could have a players strike like Cork is laughable. Only about 6 of this years Championship team will survive anyway. If they did strike the laughter around would get a reading on the Richter Scale.
Oh, by the way, Lyons would be unknown/virtually unknown to most players around. He would mean nothing to younger players. Tommy Lyons to them is Johnno s no. 2 from Ballina. Even the older lads would know nothing of him. The Sunday Game and shit is not universal viewing anymore. His management career would even mean less. Serious young player are generally just into their own thing.
Glad Maughan decided to exit stage left...there's nothing more he could bring to the table...been there -done that..!!
Appointing lyons would be a retrograde step.......too much baggage......nightmare stories from his foray with the dubs...the players had to get together to get him out for gods sake...man management skillls non-existent. Team building excerises to louisburg holed up in tents in the driving wind and rain....mad stuff.
mayo need to seriously look at the likes of James Horan. Could be a complete flop but i think the CB have to take a chance on this guy. He's young.....currently in a club management role in Mayo so knows the club scene and has no baggage. It's a young mans game. Used to look forward to his column in the "western" as he spoke/wrote a lot of sense. was dissappointed when they suddenly stopped. Anyone know why cos he was better than that flute Gallagher.!!
So for an exiled mayoman in galway looking in - Horan would be my man.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on September 24, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
I would be in the anyone but Maughan camp as well. Pleased that it won't be him, I'd rather not get to a final than go into another one with him in charge knowing we haven't a hope in hell of winning because he'll bollox it up again somehow (Seriously like, Fergal feckin Kelly - i'll never forgive him for that one).
Not saying Lyons is the answer by any means though. The backroom team will be interesting if it happens, hopefully people with good knowledge within the county. No point having a go at him because of his spoofing on the Sunday Game, my main worry is that its a long time since he's done, well, anything really - its a total shot in the dark hiring him...suppose the same could have been said of Horan, McGarry or Kearney.
By the way on the mobile phone version of this site we're now past 200 pages on this topic..!
I know what you mean Cosmo but isn't it a bit of a paradox really when you think about it. What this process has shown is that there are no people within the county with good knowledge. If there was we would not have ended up in this mess again.
Happily that is not true. There are some very knowledgeable people within the county but it isn't about knowledgeable, it is about CV and being a recognisable persona. Unfortunately a good CV is about being fortunate enough to have won something with a talented team rather than being a good coach/manager. We ve had a few examples of 'good' managers at club in this county who kept good teams focused but were limited as regards knowledge of the game, coaching and even management. Some made howlers but still, because their players were better than anybody else's they were successful.
But in a trade where Moclair Cups and Celtic Crosses are the currency, cv is better than knowledge and talent. As usual public opinion ask' s ' what has he won?' and that s all. That makes Barry Callaghan and Jimmy McGuinness better than James Nallen and Ciarán McDonald.
Most managers don't repeat the trick but why kill a good story. Micko was a manager who did it in a few places but enough of that.
I noticed Anthony McGarry had a few good past players in his team. All more recognisable than he would be to the public at this stage. Just saying. But what would their roles be? Who would be doing what? Like what were the roles of Gallagher and Lyons in the last administration? I know what they were at but was it making things better? Lets have science this time.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 24, 2010, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 04:15:50 PM
Any rumours on selectors - that could be the selling point.
Mike Finnerty said in the Mayo News that Maughan was putting together an impressive team - who was on that?
Who will Tommy have?
Would James have some of his playing colleagues?
It is the full package that really is going to be decisive here.
Talks of boycotss at the end of the day are not going to get us anywhere either. Whatever chance the man has if everybody is pulling against him he cannot succeed before he starts, and that won't be his fault.
McGarry had Kevin O'Neill, Pat Fallon and kenny Mortimer as part of his back room team. Lyons has none picked yet, An Other for the time being. The selectors to be picked after appointment with the County Board. Dont know about Horans back room team.
That looked decent, selectors should have a major baring on the decision imo. I'd still prefer Horan over Lyons anyday but at the end of the day it's Mayo, wouldn't be the same if we weren't able to have a cribb about things and fcuk things up... :-\
I would imagine that the prospective new manager would have to had given their ideas on there team in terms of physical fitness coaches and who they would bring onboard. If shrule beat ballintubber on sunday and go on to win the title, then mortimer will have a more impressive cv that horan or mcgarry. Maybe there'll be a late runner in the race. By all accounts Mcgarry has been quiet impressive, anyone know exactly where he is based. Is it in the midlands somewhere.
I think your right moysider, the idea of a 09 or 10 panel is a non starter. I would hope that whoever comes in get 60 or 80 guys out in trial matches and works from there. Reputations (what an irony) should could for nothing.
I fear however that the cailbre of player may not be available. Will be interesting to see how many of the players on show this weekend could give the midfield of aidan walsh & murphy a cleaning, or have the ability to keep clarke or coulter in their back pocket and feed them on farts.
One thing is for sure, next years summer outings cannot possibly be as poor as last years fair.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2010, 12:11:27 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 24, 2010, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 04:15:50 PM
Any rumours on selectors - that could be the selling point.
Mike Finnerty said in the Mayo News that Maughan was putting together an impressive team - who was on that?
Who will Tommy have?
Would James have some of his playing colleagues?
It is the full package that really is going to be decisive here.
Talks of boycotss at the end of the day are not going to get us anywhere either. Whatever chance the man has if everybody is pulling against him he cannot succeed before he starts, and that won't be his fault.
McGarry had Kevin O'Neill, Pat Fallon and kenny Mortimer as part of his back room team. Lyons has none picked yet, An Other for the time being. The selectors to be picked after appointment with the County Board. Dont know about Horans back room team.
That looked decent, selectors should have a major baring on the decision imo. I'd still prefer Horan over Lyons anyday but at the end of the day it's Mayo, wouldn't be the same if we weren't able to have a cribb about things and fcuk things up... :-\
I think most of us would prefer Horan, and would have had since this process began and saw the contenders. Why? For me because he always looked like he cared and he looked like he saw saw the bigger picture. Not because of his great games in Croke Park where he should have been on the winning side or his 2 All stars. I would have been happy to have taken a chance on JH and would go to FBD games and all. Hopefully his day will come.
Why Mayo has to be about cribbing and messing things up is no mystery, it is a reassuring misery in our lives. We like it that way.
A couple of posters wondered how the clubs let things happen and Stephenite remarked that some clubs wouldn't be too bothered who was managing the county. Stephenite is correct. For most club delegates club comes first and county a distant loser. To expect them to stand up to the executive over a county managerial appointment is just silly thinking. Club delegates look after their club interests and have enough to be going on with. As, at least one poster admitted here, many of the more ardent Mayo fans are not active club men, you end up with some very annoyed and frustrated people. Likes of Iolar I suspect cares more about Mayo than any club delegate on the board. So you end up with this great divide between county and club. In Kerry the reverse has always been in vogue - the county comes first and the clubs feed their best in. In Mayo sometimes the club delegate is not even a local, or even a Mayo man. In the shafting of M&M one of the most condemning remarks, often quoted, came from an x primrose and blue, representing his local club. Of course he had to have Mayo s best interests at heart.
Quote from: paddypastit on September 24, 2010, 10:29:32 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on September 24, 2010, 09:51:45 PM
Unbelievable opprobrium being heaped on Lyons, it would have been ludicrous to go down the road of Maughan again, that well has been drained enough. Lyons deserves his chance, his record is far from atrocious and he does have a genuine passion for Mayo. He certainly can't be any worse than what we've witnessed over the last 4 years. Good to see others from outside the county having a guffaw, they all have such stellar men in charge themselves.
Really?! Sorry but we're talking complete spoofer here
on what grounds? he talks shite on telly ? i never daw a man to man as much sense on telly as serial failure tommy 'TOM' carr
As long as the players like what Lyons says who give a shit what he sounds like on telly .
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2010, 01:13:49 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2010, 12:11:27 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 24, 2010, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 04:15:50 PM
Any rumours on selectors - that could be the selling point.
Mike Finnerty said in the Mayo News that Maughan was putting together an impressive team - who was on that?
Who will Tommy have?
Would James have some of his playing colleagues?
It is the full package that really is going to be decisive here.
Talks of boycotss at the end of the day are not going to get us anywhere either. Whatever chance the man has if everybody is pulling against him he cannot succeed before he starts, and that won't be his fault.
McGarry had Kevin O'Neill, Pat Fallon and kenny Mortimer as part of his back room team. Lyons has none picked yet, An Other for the time being. The selectors to be picked after appointment with the County Board. Dont know about Horans back room team.
That looked decent, selectors should have a major baring on the decision imo. I'd still prefer Horan over Lyons anyday but at the end of the day it's Mayo, wouldn't be the same if we weren't able to have a cribb about things and fcuk things up... :-\
I think most of us would prefer Horan, and would have had since this process began and saw the contenders. Why? For me because he always looked like he cared and he looked like he saw saw the bigger picture. Not because of his great games in Croke Park where he should have been on the winning side or his 2 All stars. I would have been happy to have taken a chance on JH and would go to FBD games and all. Hopefully his day will come.
Why Mayo has to be about cribbing and messing things up is no mystery, it is a reassuring misery in our lives. We like it that way.
A couple of posters wondered how the clubs let things happen and Stephenite remarked that some clubs wouldn't be too bothered who was managing the county. Stephenite is correct. For most club delegates club comes first and county a distant loser. To expect them to stand up to the executive over a county managerial appointment is just silly thinking. Club delegates look after their club interests and have enough to be going on with. As, at least one poster admitted here, many of the more ardent Mayo fans are not active club men, you end up with some very annoyed and frustrated people. Likes of Iolar I suspect cares more about Mayo than any club delegate on the board. So you end up with this great divide between county and club. In Kerry the reverse has always been in vogue - the county comes first and the clubs feed their best in. In Mayo sometimes the club delegate is not even a local, or even a Mayo man. In the shafting of M&M one of the most condemning remarks, often quoted, came from an x primrose and blue, representing his local club. Of course he had to have Mayo s best interests at heart
Oh what was said again Moysider? :P
I think someone said this on a previous post on this thread but we really are getting our just reward for what we did to Mickey Moran and John Morrison...I wonder what do they think of the current goings on?!
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 25, 2010, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2010, 01:13:49 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2010, 12:11:27 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 24, 2010, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: Barney on September 24, 2010, 04:15:50 PM
Any rumours on selectors - that could be the selling point.
Mike Finnerty said in the Mayo News that Maughan was putting together an impressive team - who was on that?
Who will Tommy have?
Would James have some of his playing colleagues?
It is the full package that really is going to be decisive here.
Talks of boycotss at the end of the day are not going to get us anywhere either. Whatever chance the man has if everybody is pulling against him he cannot succeed before he starts, and that won't be his fault.
McGarry had Kevin O'Neill, Pat Fallon and kenny Mortimer as part of his back room team. Lyons has none picked yet, An Other for the time being. The selectors to be picked after appointment with the County Board. Dont know about Horans back room team.
That looked decent, selectors should have a major baring on the decision imo. I'd still prefer Horan over Lyons anyday but at the end of the day it's Mayo, wouldn't be the same if we weren't able to have a cribb about things and fcuk things up... :-\
I think most of us would prefer Horan, and would have had since this process began and saw the contenders. Why? For me because he always looked like he cared and he looked like he saw saw the bigger picture. Not because of his great games in Croke Park where he should have been on the winning side or his 2 All stars. I would have been happy to have taken a chance on JH and would go to FBD games and all. Hopefully his day will come.
Why Mayo has to be about cribbing and messing things up is no mystery, it is a reassuring misery in our lives. We like it that way.
A couple of posters wondered how the clubs let things happen and Stephenite remarked that some clubs wouldn't be too bothered who was managing the county. Stephenite is correct. For most club delegates club comes first and county a distant loser. To expect them to stand up to the executive over a county managerial appointment is just silly thinking. Club delegates look after their club interests and have enough to be going on with. As, at least one poster admitted here, many of the more ardent Mayo fans are not active club men, you end up with some very annoyed and frustrated people. Likes of Iolar I suspect cares more about Mayo than any club delegate on the board. So you end up with this great divide between county and club. In Kerry the reverse has always been in vogue - the county comes first and the clubs feed their best in. In Mayo sometimes the club delegate is not even a local, or even a Mayo man. In the shafting of M&M one of the most condemning remarks, often quoted, came from an x primrose and blue, representing his local club. Of course he had to have Mayo s best interests at heart
Oh what was said again Moysider? :P
That the team that M&M put out looked like 'ladeens'.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on September 24, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
I would be in the anyone but Maughan camp as well. Pleased that it won't be him, I'd rather not get to a final than go into another one with him in charge knowing we haven't a hope in hell of winning because he'll bollox it up again somehow (Seriously like, Fergal feckin Kelly - i'll never forgive him for that one).
Not saying Lyons is the answer by any means though. The backroom team will be interesting if it happens, hopefully people with good knowledge within the county. No point having a go at him because of his spoofing on the Sunday Game, my main worry is that its a long time since he's done, well, anything really - its a total shot in the dark hiring him...suppose the same could have been said of Horan, McGarry or Kearney.
By the way on the mobile phone version of this site we're now past 200 pages on this topic..!
Normally players who don't have good games aren't singled out in the media for a butchering, and this is a good thing. It's fair enough in soccer, when the abuse comes with a paycheck, but for amateur players it should be out of the question.
It should be possible after 6 long years ,to get the point across without getting personal ..
Quote from: m@yoman on September 25, 2010, 10:02:55 AM
I think someone said this on a previous post on this thread but we really are getting our just reward for what we did to Mickey Moran and John Morrison...I wonder what do they think of the current goings on?!
m & m were barely on speaking terms at the end of the 2006 all ireland and there was no guarantee that their second year ( they said they would only do two due to the travel involved) would still be a double act. In the mean time some guy who had won a few all irelands became available and the cb had to act. I believe firmly that the players dragged themselves to that ai final through shear will and were let down by m&m in the final. I have often heard it said that senior players approached m&m on the led up about handling donaghy and the response was to worry about it on the day. A few months later in the a railway cup game in ballyforan, jom played a sweeper in front of donaghy. I think conn. won that game
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 25, 2010, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on September 24, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
I would be in the anyone but Maughan camp as well. Pleased that it won't be him, I'd rather not get to a final than go into another one with him in charge knowing we haven't a hope in hell of winning because he'll bollox it up again somehow (Seriously like, Fergal feckin Kelly - i'll never forgive him for that one).
Not saying Lyons is the answer by any means though. The backroom team will be interesting if it happens, hopefully people with good knowledge within the county. No point having a go at him because of his spoofing on the Sunday Game, my main worry is that its a long time since he's done, well, anything really - its a total shot in the dark hiring him...suppose the same could have been said of Horan, McGarry or Kearney.
By the way on the mobile phone version of this site we're now past 200 pages on this topic..!
Normally players who don't have good games aren't singled out in the media for a butchering, and this is a good thing. It's fair enough in soccer, when the abuse comes with a paycheck, but for amateur players it should be out of the question.
It should be possible after 6 long years ,to get the point across without getting personal ..
I agree with you Halfquarter but I think, in fairness to poor Cosmo, the man he will never forgive is Maughan, not the player in question. It was just phrased badly.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 24, 2010, 06:18:52 PM
maughan III was a mirage seen by posters here and so too is tommy lyons until/if he is appointed .
no one is betrayed the process is still ongoing.
and no just because 60(64) pages of waffle have been spouted here it does not entitle any one to have any greater say. how deluded is that; the committee men for better or worse have and will always have the final say on who the next manager will be and the one after that.
as has been pointed out the only say we can have in that is by contacting you club delegate and not by some cowardly anonymous boycott .
time to reconnect with reality here
I don't see why you see a boycott as particularly cowardly and anonymous Ros. What's cowardly about not going to a football game? What's brave about attending? How will I be any more anonymous if I'm not at game than if I am? No-one's ever taken my name at a ground.
The reason I mention a boycott is because I invest a lot of emotional capital in the Mayo football team and right now I feel lied to and betrayed. We were told there would be a process. That process has been ignored for reasons that do not seem to particularly chime with either the best interests of the team or the opinions of those poor dumb stupid anonymous bastards who go to games or post on message boards.
So what I'm wondering is if I and people like me shouldn't cop on and spend our Sundays more gainfully employed. If that makes me a coward then fair enough. Send the white feather. I'll send you back my jersey.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on September 24, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
I would be in the anyone but Maughan camp as well. Pleased that it won't be him, I'd rather not get to a final than go into another one with him in charge knowing we haven't a hope in hell of winning because he'll bollox it up again somehow (Seriously like, Fergal feckin Kelly - i'll never forgive him for that one).
this has always drove me crazy about alot of mayo fans,saying it is better to lose early in the championship than risk getting a drubbing later on.My motto has always been,no matter how bad we are, to win every game and see where it takes you.The only way we are going to win sam is by getting to a final and some day our luck may be in.Going off topic here but it was not the selection of Fergal Kelly that lost us the all ireland in 2004.we were just not good enough.I would agree that Brady should have been selected for the final but you would have to look at the reason he was dropped in the first place which was his display in the drawn game v fermanagh where he did not go for one ball all day .I probably should not have brought this up again as this thread will definatly hit 100 pages if we rehash that whole episode again :)
so the County Final will be between two mentioned candidates for the big job - Forde v Horan, both have done very impressive work.
Yet our Board won't be turning to either. I'm sure James will be given a chance elsewhere and be lost to Mayo as many others were.
No lover of the curent board here but one has to ask the question as to how James horan could so easily think of leaving Ballintubber as they face into a county final. i know that the Mayo job doesn't start immediately but perhaps it should. If I had a young team in my home club like JH has I would be looking to win county, provincial and All-Ireland titles, not jumping into county job. This is not to knock his credentials for the job. Anyway with the interview board stacked it's difficult to see what he can gain.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 26, 2010, 05:58:54 PM
No lover of the curent board here but one has to ask the question as to how James horan could so easily think of leaving Ballintubber as they face into a county final. i know that the Mayo job doesn't start immediately but perhaps it should. If I had a young team in my home club like JH has I would be looking to win county, provincial and All-Ireland titles, not jumping into county job. This is not to knock his credentials for the job. Anyway with the interview board stacked it's difficult to see what he can gain.
Pat O'Shea managed it in his first year as Kerry manager. Stayed over Dr Crokes all the way to St Patrick's Day.
Quote from: Barney on September 26, 2010, 05:28:02 PM
so the County Final will be between two mentioned candidates for the big job - Forde v Horan, both have done very impressive work.
Yet our Board won't be turning to either. I'm sure James will be given a chance elsewhere and be lost to Mayo as many others were.
how can you be so sure that horan will not get the nod. The interviews have to take place yet. The best way to console yourself would be to take advantage of the generous 1/8 odds being given on Lyons since he is such a sure thing.
Are you also 100% sure that no advances were ever made to forde
I hope Lyons gets it.
Just to get him off the telly.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2010, 08:25:15 PM
I hope Lyons gets it.
Just to get him off the telly.
Sure why not give him the Meath job so?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2010, 08:25:15 PM
I hope Lyons gets it.
Just to get him off the telly.
pity someone didn't nominate brolly in that case
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2010, 08:26:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2010, 08:25:15 PM
I hope Lyons gets it.
Just to get him off the telly.
Sure why not give him the Meath job so?
We don't like outsiders.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2010, 08:36:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2010, 08:26:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2010, 08:25:15 PM
I hope Lyons gets it.
Just to get him off the telly.
Sure why not give him the Meath job so?
We don't like outsiders.
Or insiders Jinxy judging by the last few years of Meath managers! ;)
When's D-Day? When are the Board meeting to settle it?
Honestly unless Lyons has dramatically changed I cant see this being a good move for Mayo. His man-management with Dublin was awful.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 25, 2010, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 24, 2010, 06:18:52 PM
maughan III was a mirage seen by posters here and so too is tommy lyons until/if he is appointed .
no one is betrayed the process is still ongoing.
and no just because 60(64) pages of waffle have been spouted here it does not entitle any one to have any greater say. how deluded is that; the committee men for better or worse have and will always have the final say on who the next manager will be and the one after that.
as has been pointed out the only say we can have in that is by contacting you club delegate and not by some cowardly anonymous boycott .
time to reconnect with reality here
I don't see why you see a boycott as particularly cowardly and anonymous Ros. What's cowardly about not going to a football game? What's brave about attending? How will I be any more anonymous if I'm not at game than if I am? No-one's ever taken my name at a ground.
The reason I mention a boycott is because I invest a lot of emotional capital in the Mayo football team and right now I feel lied to and betrayed. We were told there would be a process. That process has been ignored for reasons that do not seem to particularly chime with either the best interests of the team or the opinions of those poor dumb stupid anonymous b**tards who go to games or post on message boards.
So what I'm wondering is if I and people like me shouldn't cop on and spend our Sundays more gainfully employed. If that makes me a coward then fair enough. Send the white feather. I'll send you back my jersey.
your going to boycott the mayo team because they changed the selection process?
Get a grip will ya.
Sure if your no longer interested dont go . But if your going to organise a boycott and attempt to spoil everyone elses fun then at least get a good reason
ICC is one of the better posters on here but in this instance I feel he's incorrect.
The GAA has structures - for better or for worse that's the way things are run, and if you aren't part of that structure (as in a club member) you don't get to have a say, you're not entitled to an explanation and there you go.
I think a lot about the GAA, and I have my opinions, and whether I'm in Dublin or Sydney I don't feel that I have the right to have my opinions listened to whilst I'm not actively involved - the alternative to the way things are run now would involve the clubs not having a say, and whether or not your club cares about who the manager is that's the structure that needs to stay in place otherwise we're off down the road of CEO's and players agents a bit sooner than we need to be.
Unless I'm taking the boys up incorrectly, Ros is criticising me for sticking up for the clubs and Stephenite for not respecting the clubs' authority. I'm feeling a biteen cornered.
What bothers me is this notion that I've got in my head that is someone came along with a big enough bag of money the Board would appoint that loon that dresses up as St Patrick as manager - with Horan and Anthony McGarry as selectors, of course. Maybe I'm wrong. But we're damn well close enough to that now, aren't we?
Stephenite, if you don't feel like you've a right to have your opinions listened to, why post three thousand, seven hundred and thirty-nine of them here on the GAA Board?
I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, myself. And I like it even more when people talk about them openly, instead of cutting deals behind closed doors and then feeding a line of shite to the Great Unwashed. That's something I like less than honest opinions, honestly held.
Which club nominated Lyons anyway? When is this thing going to be decided?
So when is this announcement due lads?
Sadly, if it is TL, I can't see TL being anything more than a smaller version of Joe Kernan.
We can all blather away on a discussion board, in the pub, in work etc. Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, my point is that the only opinions that matter when the decision is made are those that are elected to represent the members of the clubs. Any other opinion doesn't really matter.... With the exception being that those with a big bag of money as you've pointed out.
I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is
Stephenite is right. The clubs are the medium through which the democracy of the GAA is supposed to operate. Sadly some people at board level have managed to manipulate things recently due to the indifference of some clubs and the cosy relationships with other delegates. Clubs delegates in Mayo? Their name is shit. And they have largely been the authors of that themselves. They have a chance this week when the fait acompli is put to them to, for once, show a bit of backbone and stand up for what they believe in. What they know is right and what they know is wrong. This is a pivotal moment in Mayo GAA. The entire county is against this move. If the club delegates back it, then it is they who should be named and shamed in terms of how they voted.
I agree this is a big moment in Mayo GAA. The attitude of the delegates to this one will decide whether we are to implode completely or give ourselves a chance to build ourselves up again.
If Tommy Lyons is the nominated man and is rejected we will be left with nobody to take over. I am sure in those circumstances Horan or McGarry will not make themselves available. Maughan is not in the running. Nor is Micko, Forde or Connelly. The danger is strong leadership would be needed to avoid a Limerick type scenario.
James Horan is having his interview today. I don't know whether McGarry and Lyons have had theirs.
The question is this - if James or Anthony were to get the nod would you be happy or giving out? Not simply as a "not Tommy Lyons" candidate, but rather as the new manager in their own right.
This is now officially the longest ever "Mayo" thread - just taking over from Mayo v Meath last year.
Also the longest "New Manager" thread - taking over from Armagh.
On the first page of GAABoard views and posts! And we yet have to get a decision.
I would be happy Barney if Horan got the job because having looked at Down and Kildare (OK neither of them won Sam) but they had young modern managers who took a modern approach. I've always wanted Horan from the out-set even though I may have voted Dempsey on here but that was before he ruled himself out of the job. As well as that, if Lyons does get it, I think we're screwed - hopefully the club delegates will get some bit of sense and reject him.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 27, 2010, 01:32:59 PM
Stephenite is right. The clubs are the medium through which the democracy of the GAA is supposed to operate. Sadly some people at board level have managed to manipulate things recently due to the indifference of some clubs and the cosy relationships with other delegates. Clubs delegates in Mayo? Their name is shit. And they have largely been the authors of that themselves. They have a chance this week when the fait acompli is put to them to, for once, show a bit of backbone and stand up for what they believe in. What they know is right and what they know is wrong. This is a pivotal moment in Mayo GAA. The entire county is against this move. If the club delegates back it, then it is they who should be named and shamed in terms of how they voted.
I think the word "democracy" may be relative when it comes to the county board. Its obvious that some delegates would be more inclined to vote the way they are told to vote rather than the way they should be voting for the benefit of Gaelic football in Mayo. Its very sad but true.
Lyons is the latest golden boy for certain members of the county board as he is coming at no cost and is apraently rich enough to cover his own expenses. Its a tough carrot for the county board not to follow with the current state of finances.
But its a huge can of worms as I heard through the grapevine that the players wont play for Lyons and wont stand for him being nominated as manager, which leaves the county board and indeed Lyons in strange situation.
I think myself that the county board should stay impartial and not push for Lyons as hard as they have as the other candidates wont exactly cost an arm and a leg either.
Its a sad state of affairs if, as a county we sell ourselves out
I think it may have been you Barney that said every candidate at this stage has a negative against them. That's still the case. But I would be much more happy to take a chance on James Horan's youth and enthusiaism and Anthony McGarry's steadyness and good backroom team rather than Tommy Lyons who is a spoofer and hasn't even bothered to seek his own selectors but reckons the county board can pick them for him. And I do think both Horan and McGarry can do well. Sure, they're not dream candidates. But I think both can be very good if given the role. We'll have to wait and see if anyone shows a bit of militance.
I was talking to a co player at the weekend and he was shaking his head in disbelief at what was going on. :(
QuoteI think it may have been you Barney that said every candidate at this stage has a negative against them.
The point I was making was that every candidate had had some form of negative comment made against them here on the Board. An outsider reading this topic would feel that there is nobody that we would consider good enough to look after our team.
If the players come into play here well then it is a whole new ball game. Mind you there are no fellas guaranteed to be playing for Mayo in 2010. It is down to the manager to select a new panel and somebody could come in and do a "Justin".
It really is a mess but have the Officers the wisdom to read the signs. I am sure there is somebody on the Committee who will not allow themselves to be duped. It looks like another very interesting week in Mayo GAA. But we are fighting for our future direction. Financially we are destroyed. In football terms we are on the ground but can get ourselves out of the hole.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2010, 02:13:04 PM
I would be happy Barney if Horan got the job because having looked at Down and Kildare (OK neither of them won Sam) but they had young modern managers who took a modern approach. I've always wanted Horan from the out-set even though I may have voted Dempsey on here but that was before he ruled himself out of the job. As well as that, if Lyons does get it, I think we're screwed - hopefully the club delegates will get some bit of sense and reject him.
Nail on the head, Farrandeelin. A fresh voice with modern attitudes and a connection with the players, young enough and hungry enough to be given 5 years to develop something, not an other high profile man from the "media" to raise our profile yet again, low key for supporters and managers for the next 18 months to rebuild something meaningful, no more sticking plaster solutions please and Not someone who is sitting on the sidelines for the past few years and may be out of touch with the modern game. Remember what happened the last time we got a manager who was out of the game for a while.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
I was talking to a co player at the weekend and he was shaking his head in disbelief at what was going on. :(
Did said county player shake his head in disbelief at what went on last year. Is he of the opinion that a new manager could actually lead the 2011 version to worse championship results than 2010. Are some of our players of the opinion that they are a sought after bunch that Mickey Harte would abondon Tyrone for ever if they glanced favourabely in his direction ?
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 27, 2010, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 27, 2010, 01:32:59 PM
Stephenite is right. The clubs are the medium through which the democracy of the GAA is supposed to operate. Sadly some people at board level have managed to manipulate things recently due to the indifference of some clubs and the cosy relationships with other delegates. Clubs delegates in Mayo? Their name is shit. And they have largely been the authors of that themselves. They have a chance this week when the fait acompli is put to them to, for once, show a bit of backbone and stand up for what they believe in. What they know is right and what they know is wrong. This is a pivotal moment in Mayo GAA. The entire county is against this move. If the club delegates back it, then it is they who should be named and shamed in terms of how they voted.
Lyons is the latest golden boy for certain members of the county board as he is coming at no cost and is apraently rich enough to cover his own expenses.
He own's his own company based just off the Kileen rd, Ballyfermot in Parkwest - he's not short of a few bob anyway..
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 25, 2010, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 25, 2010, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on September 24, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
I would be in the anyone but Maughan camp as well. Pleased that it won't be him, I'd rather not get to a final than go into another one with him in charge knowing we haven't a hope in hell of winning because he'll bollox it up again somehow (Seriously like, Fergal feckin Kelly - i'll never forgive him for that one).
Not saying Lyons is the answer by any means though. The backroom team will be interesting if it happens, hopefully people with good knowledge within the county. No point having a go at him because of his spoofing on the Sunday Game, my main worry is that its a long time since he's done, well, anything really - its a total shot in the dark hiring him...suppose the same could have been said of Horan, McGarry or Kearney.
By the way on the mobile phone version of this site we're now past 200 pages on this topic..!
Normally players who don't have good games aren't singled out in the media for a butchering, and this is a good thing. It's fair enough in soccer, when the abuse comes with a paycheck, but for amateur players it should be out of the question.
It should be possible after 6 long years ,to get the point across without getting personal ..
I agree with you Halfquarter but I think, in fairness to poor Cosmo, the man he will never forgive is Maughan, not the player in question. It was just phrased badly.
Thanks Iolar - not having a go at Fergal Kelly at all, he did his best, it was the man who picked him I was taking aim for. I could also have used examples from the 96 and 97 finals - players not on the bench (96), changing every line on the team to replace one man (97), the Kelly one was just the first one I thought of.
Quote from: mayo51 on September 26, 2010, 01:35:58 AM
this has always drove me crazy about alot of mayo fans,saying it is better to lose early in the championship than risk getting a drubbing later on.My motto has always been,no matter how bad we are, to win every game and see where it takes you.The only way we are going to win sam is by getting to a final and some day our luck may be in.
That's not quite what I was saying. Obviously we need to get to the latter stages again before we can even think about winning, but my opinion is that the evidence of the past shows that Maughan is not the man to take Mayo (or anyone else) to an All-Ireland. Therefore (in my opinion) no point getting to the latter stages with him in charge. He's too prone to losing it on the sideline. In 04 we weren't good enough as a team regardless of the Fergal Kelly thing, but had they had an off day we weren't in a position to take advantage as a result of Maughan's selection. We lost one, if not two, AIs in the 90s on the sideline with him in charge - I'm glad he won't be returning and I was surprised that so many wanted him back.
Quote from: mayo51 on September 26, 2010, 01:35:58 AM
Going off topic here but it was not the selection of Fergal Kelly that lost us the all ireland in 2004.we were just not good enough.I would agree that Brady should have been selected for the final but you would have to look at the reason he was dropped in the first place which was his display in the drawn game v fermanagh where he did not go for one ball all day .I probably should not have brought this up again as this thread will definatly hit 100 pages if we rehash that whole episode again :)
That's true, Kerry were much better than us that day, but the team picked was nonetheless wrong and we had clearly peaked too early in the year, the way we went from the Galway/Tyrone performances in June/July to the Fermanagh/Kerry ones in August/September was unbelievable.
But, as you say, that's best left in the past for the sake of this thread. :)
Also, I don't want this to sound like a total personal attack on Maughan either, i have respect for what he achieved with Mayo in his two spells in charge, i'm just convinced it would be a mistake to take him on again.
Just saw Abbeysiders post that some of the players wont play for Lyons if he gets the job. Now its my fervent hope that he doesnt get the job but who in the name of god would take the notion of the Mayo squad that disgraced the county with the performance v Sligo and Longford seriously if that group went on strike. There is not a single one of them guranteed a start under a new decent manager. O Mahony and the Board will rightly take a share of the blame for the poor teams of the last four seasons but the largest portion belongs to the players who are miles from the real thing.
Quote from: boosabum on September 27, 2010, 04:09:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
I was talking to a co player at the weekend and he was shaking his head in disbelief at what was going on. :(
Did said county player shake his head in disbelief at what went on last year. Is he of the opinion that a new manager could actually lead the 2011 version to worse championship results than 2010. Are some of our players of the opinion that they are a sought after bunch that Mickey Harte would abondon Tyrone for ever if they glanced favourabely in his direction ?
We mentioned last year too, he said it was a shambles and that with T. Lyons in charge it 'might get worse'. That's the jist of what he meant anyway I think.
I wonder if James has done enough tonight to take the hot seat. Is an intermediate title and a possible senior one enough to tip the scales. Based on yesterdays game it looks as if he can devise a strategy to deal with the opposition. What is the feeling of his club mates, delighted for him if he's chosen or gutted to lose him from the club ?
listened to the interview with James horan on madwest yesterday and i was very impressed .He was saying that he implements a system to suit his players and the reason he plays a sweeper is to take advantage of the pace of his own forwards where with one less forward they have more room to operate.He comes across as a man that knows what he wants from his players and is very sure of his ability to manage a team.I really hope he gets the job and is given time to implement his own plans as to what direction the mayo team should take.By the way has anybody got any idea who would makeup his backroom team ?
I d like to see Horan get it. I believe he has done more than enough to deserve a shot. Nothing against McGarry but Horan has a bit more hands on management experience. One of them should get it because they are the only ones left that wanted it in the first place. Lyon s being parachuted in like this is a bit annoying. Of course the Ex. always reserved the right to go after other potential candidates - follow the money as it were. Nobody seems to know what club nominated Lyons, if indeed he was nominated by a club.
How will the club delegates go? There seems to be little enough debate going on from what I can gather locally anyway. I m not aware of any meeting of members being organised in my club or neighboring clubs but it may still happen and we might be exceptions. Most club members I ve talked to aren't really interested in getting involved. There is an apathy there alright. Club people are club people and appear to leave the county to their bigger and betters.The club delegate appears to be left to his own devices. This is unfortunate for the non-club people who invest so much in Mayo as their team, but as Stephenite rightly says, they have no say in deciding anything. There is a chance that enough delegates will rock the boat on a Lyons appointment. There is a chance there will be enough to make a stand. But it s a long shot. It is unlikely they will be organised enough as a group but the others will. I expect a large middle ground will rubber stamp whatever the Ex. puts in front of them. It s the easiest way to do business with the big boys.
Were the interviews last night?
Quote from: JMohan on September 28, 2010, 09:09:43 AM
Were the interviews last night?
Horan's was due to be last night anyway, not sure if the others were.
Quote from: boosabum on September 27, 2010, 09:43:22 PM
I wonder if James has done enough tonight to take the hot seat. Is an intermediate title and a possible senior one enough to tip the scales. Based on yesterdays game it looks as if he can devise a strategy to deal with the opposition. What is the feeling of his club mates, delighted for him if he's chosen or gutted to lose him from the club ?
Personally id be delighted for him if he gets it, and I hope he does. He has the fullest backing of everyone in the club and he was our nomination for the job.
He helped take us up from Intermediate and in a very short term, turned us into a serious senior club and now, contenders for the Senior championship. Thats some achievement for a small club, even if we have had a lot of under-age success in the last decade, we needed someone like Horan to get us as far as we have come. I think Mayo need the same at the moment.
Horan deserves a shot undoubtedly - Ballintubber were set up brilliantly the last day. Won midfield hands down, stuck to the game plan, were well drilled and very disciplined.
Can't really add much more to whats been said about TL. Wouldn't like to get personal against Lyons but surely Horan is the better candidate for Mayo at this juncture given our recent performances. Most of the supporters know it and it seems most of the players know it.
Regardless of what people say about how the players performed last yr (poorly) you can be damn well sure they want to turn it around next yr. I always worry when players are grumbling before the manager has even taken a session, no matter what county or club it is - the first thing that is needed is respect between players and management. Players can sniff authority a mile out and if a manager has none with the players he's doomed from the outset no matter how nice a fella he is or even how good a coach. In 99% of intercounty appointments the players accept the manager that is appointed or at least will give him a decent chance. They know themselves they need to up their game and I believe will follow any man they think will bring them on and improve the performances.
Also an interesting piece in the Indo today
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/horan-gaining-mayo-support-2355188.html
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 28, 2010, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: boosabum on September 27, 2010, 09:43:22 PM
I wonder if James has done enough tonight to take the hot seat. Is an intermediate title and a possible senior one enough to tip the scales. Based on yesterdays game it looks as if he can devise a strategy to deal with the opposition. What is the feeling of his club mates, delighted for him if he's chosen or gutted to lose him from the club ?
Personally id be delighted for him if he gets it, and I hope he does. He has the fullest backing of everyone in the club and he was our nomination for the job.
He helped take us up from Intermediate and in a very short term, turned us into a serious senior club and now, contenders for the Senior championship. Thats some achievement for a small club, even if we have had a lot of under-age success in the last decade, we needed someone like Horan to get us as far as we have come. I think Mayo need the same at the moment.
Yeah I think everyone would be delighted for him. From talking to people at home at the weekend, they all hope he gets the job, for a couple of reasons:
a. They know what a great job he has done with Ballintubber and feel he could do similar with Mayo.
b. They know that is what he wants. He is an ambitious and very capable guy, and people genuinely want to see him succeed.
c. They think he's the best of the candidates that are there.
Obviously, everyone would be very sorry to see him leave the Ballintubber job, but if we win the county final it will go some way to softening the blow!
Well, for better or worse it's now a three-horse race and the finishing line is in sight at long, long last! There could well be an unforeseen turn of events or two yet Football, like politics and damn near anything else I can think of, seldom follows any sort of conventional pattern in Mayo.
Right now, it's going to be Lyons, Horan or McGarry.
I know I'm going against the majority consensus on this board but I think all three applications are being considered on their merits.
If the CB really did not want any element of democracy in the selection process, it could have gone ahead and saved everyone a whole load of hassle by appointing their own man when John O'Mahony stepped down. That's the way it has been until now and AFAIK, it's the way other counties go about appointing a manager.
Our board allowed clubs to have a say through their delegates and if the majority of delegates haven't bothered to pay much attention to proceedings, it may ne regrettable alright but it is a case of democracy in action.
By now, it seems the interview stage is over and we should have a new man at the helm before the end of the week. I'd imagine if there was any suspicion of 'shennanigans' going on, any or all of the three men who went for interview would have been aware of this and pulled out of the running.
According to McStay in the Mayo News: "I'm just speculating, of course, but what disappoints me is that John Maughan seems to have pulled out because he felt there was 'shennanigans' going on, that the process is not being conducted in the manner it should be."
I'm only speculating also but Maughan's withdrawal led me to feel that maybe, just maybe, the process was being conducted according to the book.
Of those still in the running, my personal choice would be James Horan but I won't be too upset if either of the others get the nod.
Tommy Lyons doesn't appeal to be as a TV pundit but apart from that, I have no major reservations about his suitability for the job.
By all accounts he is a shrewd and successful businessman in his own right and if there really are individuals in Club Mayo who are prepared to back him with hard cash if he lands the job, I'd be inclined to look beyond his television persona.
Fair play to all three candidates for their willingness to step up to the mark and (I'm not taking a vindictive dig at Johnno here,) any of them will surely be an improvement on what has gone before them.
There is a county board meeting tomorrow night with only one item on the agenda...
Appointment of Mayo Senior Team manager
I guess we'll have white smoke sometime tomorrow night. I'm sure there will be a few leaks before then as to who they are putting forward for ratification.
QuoteThere is a county board meeting tomorrow night with only one item on the agenda...
Appointment of Mayo Senior Team manager
I guess we'll have white smoke sometime tomorrow night. I'm sure there will be a few leaks before then as to who they are putting forward for ratification
Shock and awe tactics. After a 3 month process they hold the meeting within a day of the suggestion being made. Clubs do not have time to digest the implications and will rubber stamp Tommy Lyons I guess.
If they don't - well then this whole thing will just get a lot more interesting.....
Quote from: kevmy on September 28, 2010, 10:50:36 AM
Also an interesting piece in the Indo today
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/horan-gaining-mayo-support-2355188.html
Its very interesting that the article is linking James Nallen to James Horans management team.
If true, its a very strong team already. Nallen would be a great influence in any backroom team as his experience is immense.
I guess it will be all down to the delegates and im hoping that if there is any justice and honesty left in Mayo football; delegates wont be bullied or strong armed into voting the way some prominent members of the county board tell them to vote, and they will vote for what is best for Mayo football - not whats the cheapest.
Being reported all over the media now that the decision will be announced tomorrow night.
I guess the CB feel they have to get their man into the job before the unwanted Horan public bandwagon gains any more legs... :(
Lar I could cry reading your post. I really could. The County Board have to have an appointment ratified by the delegates. End of. What they are doing is manipulating the indifference to their own needs. The machinations of the past few weeks would really make you wonder how many people at board level have the best interests of Mayo GAA at heart. Would people laugh if I said it was a Fine Gael conspiracy? Possibly. But there's enough evidence to lead you in that direction.
And hoping that those who shout stop are too few to make any difference. Well I detect there may be more shouting stop than the board planned for. That would be a great thing. As I said it is a pivotal week in Mayo football. Tommy Lyons is a spoofer who won't even go to the bother of trying to source his own selectors in the county. God knows who the county board would pick. The Chairman seems to think that appointing Tommy Lyons will be a legacy appointment for him, that it will help him be remembered. He's right. He'll be remembered. But not for the reasons he would hope for.
I'm just hoping that Ballintubber's success may have raised James Horan's chances. It will be an interesting meeting tomorrow night. We'll see who's who.
Have Fine Gael infiltrated the Mayo county board ????
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2010, 01:59:34 PM
Have Fine Gael infiltrated the Mayo county board ????
Not today or yesterday!
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2010, 01:59:34 PM
Have Fine Gael infiltrated the Mayo county board ????
Sure what colour are the seats in McHale park?........
I mean to sum up some points in this thread O Mahony getting the job was a fine gael coup, and building the stand was iffy, and now the new manager is promoted by the blueshirts?? Do Mayo people everything is a long term conspiracy against them???
Quote from: rrhf on September 28, 2010, 02:08:33 PM
Do Mayo people everything is a long term conspiracy against them???
Mayo people everything all of the time!
This may be a legacy appointment for the Chairman to add to a growing list of what he is going to leave behind from his time in charge:
* the shafting of Mickey Moran.
* the appointment of a Fine Gael General Election Candidate as Manager.
* the overseeing of the development of McHale Park with its design flaws, planning problems and financial noose around the neck of our clubs.
* the non-commitment on the position of the County at Congress on the opening up of Croke Park.
* and of course pledging the support of Mayo GAA to Padraig Nally when he was imprisoned.
Anything left out?
*
Quote from: Barney on September 28, 2010, 02:33:46 PM
This may be a legacy appointment for the Chairman to add to a growing list of what he is going to leave behind from his time in charge:
* the shafting of Mickey Moran.
* the appointment of a Fine Gael General Election Candidate as Manager.
* the overseeing of the development of McHale Park with its design flaws, planning problems and financial noose around the neck of our clubs.
* the non-commitment on the position of the County at Congress on the opening up of Croke Park.
* and of course pledging the support of Mayo GAA to Padraig Nally when he was imprisoned.
Anything left out?
*
* selling the soul of the county by wheeling in and promoting a county managerial candidate based on the fact that he will cost them next to nothing.
if 15 or 20 clubs said no to tommy lyons as manager would that stop his ratification?
Me too please.
You can send it onto me too, thanks
I heard the Mayo County board were involved in JFK's assassination.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 28, 2010, 07:51:30 PM
I heard the Mayo County board were involved in JFK's assassination.
He'd have survived.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 28, 2010, 07:51:30 PM
I heard the Mayo County board were involved in JFK's assassination.
Nope were involved in Roswell & plenty of strange beings seen in Mayo since
I know there is a big push on by people on the forum to keep Lyons out but why such a big rush to James Horan??????
He is still very much an unproven manager, had Shrule managed to take their chances, not too many would be singing his praise. If Mayo were to stop playing as much as Ballintubber did the last day we would be beaten out the gate..............very worrying. Liked him as a player and he seems to be a decent bloke by the sounds of things. Having James Nallen as one of his selectors would be a positive.
Surely there is a better candidate out there with a proven record that we could have some confidence in. Who ever it is, lets just hope the good times are on the way.......
Perhaps he is, but he would be a fresh, modern manager. One what's needed in the game today for the next few years. And I hope if he gets it that if we don't do well in one year that people give him the same amount of time that they gave O'Mahony.
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 28, 2010, 09:11:37 PM
I know there is a big push on by people on the forum to keep Lyons out but why such a big rush to James Horan??????
He is still very much an unproven manager, had Shrule managed to take their chances, not too many would be singing his praise. If Mayo were to stop playing as much as Ballintubber did the last day we would be beaten out the gate..............very worrying. Liked him as a player and he seems to be a decent bloke by the sounds of things. Having James Nallen as one of his selectors would be a positive.
Surely there is a better candidate out there with a proven record that we could have some confidence in. Who ever it is, lets just hope the good times are on the way.......
Since the whole process began there has been no 'better candidate with a proven record'. I can't even think of one that would be available to us. Can you?
I wouldn't put much stock in Ballintubber s second half the last day. He can only get a performance out of what he has and they have come a ling way. Winning was the only important thing. They have been criticised as being a bit defensive here before but that is a plus in his favour anyway. Better a manager that puts out a realistic gameplan than a chancer that puts out a gungho and gets leveled.
The reality is that he would be a savior at this stage because it s either him or Lyons. Even if the grassroots are bothered enough it looks like there isn't the time or the urgency among the clubs to hold meetings and instruct delegates as regards what the majority want. Looks like the club delegates will be left to their own devices with maybe a select few whispering in their ear. The system is feudal rather than democratic, and that will work in favour of the board executive again. Ordinary club members really don't have a say. Nor it seems do the players through their delegate even though they are also club members. I remember in 92 a player being told to f**k off and mind his own business when he inquired as to how the delegate intended to vote over some issue around the time of the car pushing controversy. If one or two people can tell me they know of clubs that invited their members to debate the management thing last few nights I ll wind my neck in as regards the lack of democracy. If this debate hasn't taken place by tonight its too late.
I would urge likes of Horan and McGarry to stay clear of any invitation to join up with Lyons team. Cause when that ship goes down, as it surely will, they ll go down with it.
According to Mayo reporter on Radio 1 this evening at 7, Horan is in pole position and he claimed he heard it from people in the know. Herad the interview and would not fancy the 1/10 odds on Lyons.
Spot on as normal Moysider with your last post.
Imagine if Tommy was appointed and then he won oh say the Sam Maguire. This thread would make great reading.
My imagination not that good any more Muppet.
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
Imagine if Tommy was appointed and then he won oh say the Sam Maguire. This thread would make great reading.
Feel free to rub it in when it happens. I won't mind.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2010, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
Imagine if Tommy was appointed and then he won oh say the Sam Maguire. This thread would make great reading.
Feel free to rub it in when it happens. I won't mind.
Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer James. But I think some people are very harsh on Lyons on this thread.
* the overseeing of the development of McHale Park with its design flaws, planning problems and financial noose around the neck of our clubs.
would this not have have been the responsibility of the county sECretary . Was Hi nit make Fulltime on the basis that no one else could handle such an intricate Project
(or know where the bodies are buried)
I've just received word that we should have white smoke this evening.
The selection committee finished their interviews last night and are expected to present their recommendation to the CB executive this evening at 8pm at McHale Park and then to a meeting of the clubs' delegates at 9pm. A press meeting is scheduled afterwards.
So that should bring the fun to an end.
My money is on Horan. I've been assured he did well at his interview – I know nothing about the others but James is in with a real chance.
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 07:57:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 28, 2010, 07:51:30 PM
I heard the Mayo County board were involved in JFK's assassination.
He'd have survived.
Brilliant Muppet :D :D :D!
I cannot see the County Board changing course now.
It will be Tommy Lyons with Denis Kearney and Declan Ronaldson.
Quote from: Barney on September 29, 2010, 08:35:45 AM
It will be Tommy Lyons with Denis Kearney and Declan Ronaldson :o :'(.
F*ck no! I had the "pleasure" of being managed by him for two years and he ain't up to much!
I also heard James Horan's proposed backroom trio, a bit underwhelmed to be honest.
Quote from: StoneWall on September 29, 2010, 08:57:12 AM
Quote from: Barney on September 29, 2010, 08:35:45 AM
It will be Tommy Lyons with Denis Kearney and Declan Ronaldson :o :'(.
F*ck no! I had the "pleasure" of being managed by him for two years and he ain't up to much!
I also heard James Horan's proposed backroom trio, a bit underwhelmed to be honest.
Care to divulge? James Nallen is the name that has been mentioned here. It's been kept very quiet.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 29, 2010, 09:13:43 AM
Care to divulge? James Nallen is the name that has been mentioned here. It's been kept very quiet.
Yes James Nallen is one that has already been mentioned here but to be fair to the other two individuals I won't name them publically encase it's not true. I sent you a PM Tubberman.
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 28, 2010, 09:11:37 PM
I know there is a big push on by people on the forum to keep Lyons out but why such a big rush to James Horan??????
He is still very much an unproven manager, had Shrule managed to take their chances, not too many would be singing his praise. If Mayo were to stop playing as much as Ballintubber did the last day we would be beaten out the gate..............very worrying. Liked him as a player and he seems to be a decent bloke by the sounds of things. Having James Nallen as one of his selectors would be a positive.
Surely there is a better candidate out there with a proven record that we could have some confidence in. Who ever it is, lets just hope the good times are on the way.......
What chances? Ballintubber were so well organised that Shrule/Glencorrib did not get many chances.
Quote from: western exile on September 29, 2010, 09:57:29 AM
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 28, 2010, 09:11:37 PM
I know there is a big push on by people on the forum to keep Lyons out but why such a big rush to James Horan??????
He is still very much an unproven manager, had Shrule managed to take their chances, not too many would be singing his praise. If Mayo were to stop playing as much as Ballintubber did the last day we would be beaten out the gate..............very worrying. Liked him as a player and he seems to be a decent bloke by the sounds of things. Having James Nallen as one of his selectors would be a positive.
Surely there is a better candidate out there with a proven record that we could have some confidence in. Who ever it is, lets just hope the good times are on the way.......
What chances? Ballintubber were so well organised that Shrule/Glencorrib did not get many chances.
Well said. Shrule needed a goal and never looked like getting one. Ballintubber played a sweeper in front of the full back line and cut out 80% of the ball going in. They kept great discipline preventing either Mort or Roanldson tapping over easy frees. I'd say Ballintubber missed as many chances in the 2nd half as Shrule did. Dillon in particular missed a very handy free despite having a good game overall
I see Mayo bloggers have a call to arms reflective of views here, but in much brighter prose than we could ever write;
An Spailpin
QuoteThe reaction in Mayo to what is expected to be a rubber-stamping of Tommy Lyons' appointment tonight as the new Mayo senior team manager by the Mayo County Board has been varied.
Storming the Bastille
On the one hand, there are those who wish to storm An Sportlann, headquarters of the Mayo County Board, just as French stormed the Bastille in the name of liberty, before they made their way to Killala to spread the same gospel of freedom here.
And on the other hand, there are those who just want the pain to stop, like that clapped-out boxer on the telly who yearns for the old one-two that one only gets from Uniflu™. Think of the prisoners on the Moorish ships in Chesterton's Lepanto, who find their God forgotten and seek no more a sign. You get the idea.
There are very few who welcome Tommy Lyons' appointment and the one emotion that the Bastille-stormers, busted boxers and prisoners-broken-by-years-of-adversity share is a deep and dark dread towards what the future may hold under a Lyons stewardship.
It's not about Tommy Lyons personally, although it can't be said he helps. Mouthy metropolitans are seldom welcome back the heathery mountain. The big problem that people in Mayo have with a potential Lyons appointment is the way the appointment was made.
Heartbreak and Bitterness
After the heartbreak and bitterness of John O'Mahony's Second Coming the Mayo Board was in humour to salve wounds. They promised a process through which a new man would be appointed, divisions healed, new processes set in place and the Good Ship Mayo pointed to a brave new tomorrow.
Everyone who got involved in that process now seems to have been sold a pup, as horse-trading went on behind the scenes. The result is Tommy Lyons. The stories about the nature of that horse-trading vary, but the bottom line is that there are very real fears that the Lyons appointment will happen for reasons other than what is best for the county team.
Liam Horan has been put in charge of a Strategic Review Committee but Horan's first job as chairman of that committee will be to explain how exactly it's the case that Tommy Lyons has a better chance of having a Mayo team still playing football in September than James Horan, Denis Kearney, Anthony McGarry or John Maughan. Or Mick O'Dwyer, if it comes to that. Because it's not at all easy to see right now.
A lot of this has to do with the responsibility of the County Board. What is their duty? Is it towards the clubs, the debt on McHale Park, or have they also a duty to field the best team they can in the senior inter-county football championship?
There is no doubt – except, perhaps, in the addled minds of the GPA – that if there were no clubs there would be no GAA. But the county team cannot be treated in so cavalier a fashion as to appoint a manager for reasons other than his being the best man for the job.
In Memory of Our Fathers
People live and die by their county teams. This is true for all counties, of course, but – and An Spailpín must confess a certain bias here – it seems especially so in Mayo where the people are so defined by what the football team does. The very notion of the team, of a Mayo style, of the unique colours, has a resonance for people that transcends a game or an organisation. The notion that there is a Mayo team out there, playing football, is a part of people's souls. It helps people understand who they are.
For instance: a great and good friend of the blog was at the 2004 final, and he got talking to the man next to him. The guy next to was from Limerick, but he had hunted down a ticket and come up anyway, because of his father.
His father was a Mayoman and had died earlier that year. The son was making a vigil to Croke Park to do honour to his father's memory, to see a Mayo victory that was no longer possible for his father but that would have meant so much to him had he lived. The Mayo GAA scene meant nothing to this Treatyman, but the very idea of Mayo was vivid and clear in his head.
He went home disappointed, as did we all. But that man, whoever he is and where-ever he is now, deserves better than this. He did honour by his late father's memory, and he deserves better. The poor deluded fools who travel on Sundays for FBD League games and National League games as well as the glamorous Championship games of high summer deserves better than this.
The gobdaws and buck eejits and helpless innocents who daydream at least once a week about what it will be like when Sam returns to Mayo deserve better than this. The ludramans and the mentally unbalanced who compose greatest-ever Mayo teams drawn from men who never played senior club football in their heads to pass the time deserve better than this. Or else it's time for us all to wonder just why we invest so much emotional energy to just get smacked around by an ungrateful lover. Again.
The Eleventh Hour
Today the eleventh hour, but it's still not too late. The Board can still turn away from the Lyons candidacy and appoint James Horan, one of the stars of the first John Maughan team of the mid-nineties and the current manager of Ballintubber, now contesting a county final for the first time in their long and proud history. Horan has galvanised the anti-Lyons feeling and become the people's choice. It's up the Board tonight to do the right thing. God be with them
Willie Joe:
QuoteThe new Mayo manager is due to be appointed tomorrow night, with a press briefing at which the announcement will be made set to be held following a meeting of the County Board that's scheduled for 9 pm. One way or another, we'll all be put out of our misery before heading for the scratcher tomorrow night but I'm still hopeful that the right decision will be made and that James Horan will be the man who'll get the job.
This report in today's Indo provides confirmation of stories that I'd picked up around McHale Park on Sunday that Horan's star is, at the eleventh hour, on the rise. His own confident stewardship on the line for Ballintubber in the county semi-final has been an obvious factor in this – making the timing of his interview all but perfect from his point of view – as has the shrewd addition of James Nallen to his backroom team. Nallen is the sort of man that will command respect in any company and, combined with Horan's burgeoning reputation on the sideline, they're starting to look like the Dream Ticket.
By contrast, Tommy Lyons is, from what I gather, likely to pitch up as a one-man band who will rely on the County Board to fit him out with a local backroom team. All that Tommy Lyons has to offer is, as a result, the Tommy Lyons brand and, as I understand it, even his backers may now be beginning to see that this simply isn't a proposition that will fly.
This is a seminal moment for those whose responsibility it is to pick the man who we all want to see steer the county team out of the ditch that Johnno drove us into. It's a big decision and those of us who have the luxury of watching on from the sidelines need to be aware of that – it's all too easy to damn those making the decision regardless of which choice they make.
And it's very easy – I know, I've done it myself – to take cheap shots at those we don't like in furthering the cause of those we do. In this regard, I think we need to be scrupulously fair to Tommy Lyons (and Tony McGarry, though I think everyone now accepts that he's not seriously in the running at this stage) and his motives for wanting to become Mayo manager.
I once thought that Tommy might have been a good option but that was at the end of the Maughan I era, when he seemed to be one of the new breed of forward-thinking managers. But that was over a decade ago and Tommy has now been out of inter-county management for more than half of that time, during which time the game has moved on enormously.
All of the current breed of successful managers (and, by success, I mean those who can take the talent they have at their disposal and maximise it where it matters in the championship) come from a different era and they all have an entirely different approach to the game than the one that someone like Tommy Lyons could bring to us right now. Will Tommy Lyons bring a different perspective than someone like John O'Mahony, whose management style is of the same era? I don't think he would.
James Horan, by contrast, is cut from the same cloth as the likes of James MacCartan, Kieran McGeeney, Pat Gilroy and Kevin Walsh and, with the right team around him, we can I reckon be confident that the foundations for significant improvements in our fortunes will be painstakingly laid, based on the ethics of hard work and commitment and leaving no stone unturned to ensure that all available talent is utilised to the full. Can we have the same confidence that a management team led by Tommy Lyons would lead us down this same road? I don't think we can.
And that's the nub of it. The other factors that have been dragged into the debate – such as the media bullshit, arseboxing and whether or not his roots are really in the county – simply aren't relevant. It's a question of who is the best man for the job and which one of them has the best team around him. That man has to be James Horan.
If the selection panel is prepared to put petty politics and all the rest to one side on this one crucial decision that could determine so profoundly the direction the county team goes in over the next few years, then there is only way this appointment process can go. It's a big call for them to make but, if they stand back and take their decision in a dispassionate manner, it should also be an easy one. There's still time for them to make the right decision – that time is now.
Quote from: StoneWall on September 29, 2010, 08:57:12 AM
Quote from: Barney on September 29, 2010, 08:35:45 AM
It will be Tommy Lyons with Denis Kearney and Declan Ronaldson :o :'(.
F*ck no! I had the "pleasure" of being managed by him for two years and he ain't up to much!
I also heard James Horan's proposed backroom trio, a bit underwhelmed to be honest.
been a bit harsh on the shrule man there, had a few seaons of his exposure myself and found him to be at the least a good trainer and motivator in the dressing room. His downfall was really due to lack of tactics and ability to make quick changes, plus having to deal with the brothers mort
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: StoneWall on September 29, 2010, 08:57:12 AM
Quote from: Barney on September 29, 2010, 08:35:45 AM
It will be Tommy Lyons with Denis Kearney and Declan Ronaldson :o :'(.
F*ck no! I had the "pleasure" of being managed by him for two years and he ain't up to much!
I also heard James Horan's proposed backroom trio, a bit underwhelmed to be honest.
been a bit harsh on the shrule man there, had a few seaons of his exposure myself and found him to be at the least a good trainer and motivator in the dressing room. His downfall was really due to lack of tactics and ability to make quick changes, plus having to deal with the brothers mort
Well he may well need to change his downfalls then! Because he needs to be able to make changes, devise tactics and deal with the Mortimers if they're still involved.
I take it that the critics of Ronaldson senior above were county minors?
Amazing how many county minors who look so tactically naive on the pitch, were actually all Gary Kasparovs.
Niaive young players need good coaching so that they look like intelligent footballers. You won't see many clueless Tyrone minors in Croke Park.
Quote from: Chimley on September 29, 2010, 12:11:22 PM
Niaive young players need good coaching so that they look like intelligent footballers. You won't see many clueless Tyrone minors in Croke Park.
I saw them give plenty of turnovers in their own half particularly in the second half.
Quote from: Willie Joe
By contrast, Tommy Lyons is, from what I gather, likely to pitch up as a one-man band who will rely on the County Board to fit him out with a local backroom team. All that Tommy Lyons has to offer is, as a result, the Tommy Lyons brand and, as I understand it, even his backers may now be beginning to see that this simply isn't a proposition that will fly.
This bit is interesting given Willie Joe's links to Club Mayo. Maybe someone is having second thoughts about stumping up the cash?
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 28, 2010, 10:44:23 PM
According to Mayo reporter on Radio 1 this evening at 7, Horan is in pole position and he claimed he heard it from people in the know. Herad the interview and would not fancy the 1/10 odds on Lyons.
Spot on as normal Moysider with your last post.
Listened to the Melvin interview on the RTÉ player. What he said was that the Chairman vehemently denied that Lyons appointment was already in the bag. By the end of the interview Melvin was saying it was a flip of a coin between them.
What I did think was interesting was that Melvin said it would be time for the delegates to stand up and be counted tonight. So I'm sure they were thrilled when they heard that. Imagine someone in Ireland saying what they believed and taking responsibility for their actions?
God help us. I think it's Lyons.
Just in response to point Kosmo was making above.
Maybe they realise that their man would go down like a lead baloon. Maybe they realise that he would not be the all-dancing, all-singing appointment that the natives were craving. Maybe they realise they would be no gratitude, only mostly resentment for spending hard cash on this project. Maybe the board also realise that the gates would continue to drop off for sure. Maybe everybody realised, before it was too late, that it was all lose lose.
I have a feeling that if it goes to a vote (although i doubt it will) then horan will get it.
Horan defiantly has the support of Mayo people on the ground, and there has been an anti-Lyons sentiment growing in the past few days so it will be interesting to see if the county board even risk it by recommending Lyons and go against the general feeling.
They may save face and not recommend Lyons if they know it wont be passed by the delegates.
Its all up in the air, but its kind of exciting isnt it? :P :D
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 29, 2010, 02:13:31 PM
Horan defiantly has the support of Mayo people on the ground, and there has been an anti-Lyons sentiment growing in the past few days so it will be interesting to see if the county board even risk it by recommending Lyons and go against the general feeling.
They may save face and not recommend Lyons if they know it wont be passed by the delegates.
Its all up in the air, but its kind of exciting isnt it? :P :D
Ya like falling off a cliff.
As I understand it one name will be selected by the selection Committee and put to the Board.
Will they read the cards. Will the delegates be willing to oppose? If they are not I expect Tommy to get over the line. If they are then I expect they may just nominate Horan to save their own bacon. Any decision will be for the benefit of "the boys" not for Mayo football. All we can do after that is pray
According to the Connaught Telegraph, Horan has got the job. http://twitter.com/thecontel (http://twitter.com/thecontel)
I'd be amazed but pleased if that was the case
I think we all would be R&G, but then they did go that Lyons had the job last week
Interesting and potentially good news!!
Until its signed and sealed though....
:o The Connaught were on the ball with the Tommy Lyons story in fairness, so hopefully their source is right on this one too!
Going to be an exciting evening!!!
Anyone going to be around McHale park updating the rest of us in cyberland?? :D
Tubberman,
Did JH have some form of army officer doing some training with the ballintubber lads ? Would this guy be part of the team.
Its all a bit transfer deadline day really!
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Quote from: westmayo on September 29, 2010, 03:42:45 PM
According to the Connaught Telegraph, Horan has got the job. http://twitter.com/thecontel (http://twitter.com/thecontel)
I'm damned if I know what to make of this. The only way Horan could have the job now, at five o'clock, would be if Lyons pulled out at the last minute. How else could it be possible? And why would he do it, having stuck it out this far? What in God's holy name is going on?
Surely the people couldn't have won, could they?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: westmayo on September 29, 2010, 03:42:45 PM
According to the Connaught Telegraph, Horan has got the job. http://twitter.com/thecontel (http://twitter.com/thecontel)
I'm damned if I know what to make of this. The only way Horan could have the job now, at five o'clock, would be if Lyons pulled out at the last minute. How else could it be possible? And why would he do it, having stuck it out this far? What in God's holy name is going on?
Surely the people couldn't have won, could they?
Perhaps we (the people - club members) have finally won. Because there would be an awful backlash, and the Co. Board men would have to have heard rumours and murmurs in the background. Until it's a done deal however...
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
It wouldn't be the first, although Hardy wasn't invited.
Quote from: muppet on September 29, 2010, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
It wouldn't be the first, although Hardy wasn't invited.
when was the last one muppet ?
Quote from: Barney on September 29, 2010, 04:47:08 PM
Its all a bit transfer deadline day really!
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It's more like Mrs Mayo is having a baby and the father is waiting for the news in the hospital with a load of other fellas going up the walls
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:33:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 29, 2010, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
It wouldn't be the first, although Hardy wasn't invited.
when was the last one muppet ?
I'd say it was around 2005/2006. Couple of nights meeting in Mulligans, not all from this site a few seemed to arrive having heard about it elsewhere. Most who were there don't appear here much anymore such as Maradona, Flying Doctor. Stephenite and myself being two exceptions.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
Delighted.
But why am I invited?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: westmayo on September 29, 2010, 03:42:45 PM
According to the Connaught Telegraph, Horan has got the job. http://twitter.com/thecontel (http://twitter.com/thecontel)
I'm damned if I know what to make of this. The only way Horan could have the job now, at five o'clock, would be if Lyons pulled out at the last minute. How else could it be possible? And why would he do it, having stuck it out this far? What in God's holy name is going on?
Surely the people couldn't have won, could they?
It could be that one or two local sports hacks are going all-out to try and get Horan selected. That was certainly the impression I got listening to the RTE interview yesterday evening, for example. This latest tweet could be aimed at ratchetting up the pressure ahead of the meeting? Club Mayo's reaction to the rejection of their second candidate will be interesting, if Horan ends up getting the nod.
Quote from: spectator on September 29, 2010, 05:59:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: westmayo on September 29, 2010, 03:42:45 PM
According to the Connaught Telegraph, Horan has got the job. http://twitter.com/thecontel (http://twitter.com/thecontel)
I'm damned if I know what to make of this. The only way Horan could have the job now, at five o'clock, would be if Lyons pulled out at the last minute. How else could it be possible? And why would he do it, having stuck it out this far? What in God's holy name is going on?
Surely the people couldn't have won, could they?
It could be that one or two local sports hacks are going all-out to try and get Horan selected. That was certainly the impression I got listening to the RTE interview yesterday evening, for example. This latest tweet could be aimed at ratchetting up the pressure ahead of the meeting? Club Mayo's reaction to the rejection of their second candidate will be interesting, if Horan ends up getting the nod.
They weren't involved with the 1st candidate and I heard nothing about them being involved with Tommy either. There is more than 1 Mayo association in Dublin.
Fair enough Muppet, you probably know more about that than me ;)
Quote from: Hardy on September 29, 2010, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
Delighted.
But why am I invited?
You keep such a close eye on all things Mayo you will prob be outside peeking in the window anyway.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: westmayo on September 29, 2010, 03:42:45 PM
According to the Connaught Telegraph, Horan has got the job. http://twitter.com/thecontel (http://twitter.com/thecontel)
I'm damned if I know what to make of this. The only way Horan could have the job now, at five o'clock, would be if Lyons pulled out at the last minute. How else could it be possible? And why would he do it, having stuck it out this far? What in God's holy name is going on?
Surely the people couldn't have won, could they?
a lot of delusions of insiderdom have be demolished over the last 75 pages.
1st micko had the job
Then maughan
then lyons
now it looks like Horan and people are running for cover
any chance it was just a fair Process all the way and hopefully they wll appoint the right man for the job.
doesn't suit the conspiracy nuts but worth considering all the same
I an happy if either is appointed But Horan is by far the Bigger risk
Quote from: muppet on September 29, 2010, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: spectator on September 29, 2010, 05:59:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: westmayo on September 29, 2010, 03:42:45 PM
According to the Connaught Telegraph, Horan has got the job. http://twitter.com/thecontel (http://twitter.com/thecontel)
I'm damned if I know what to make of this. The only way Horan could have the job now, at five o'clock, would be if Lyons pulled out at the last minute. How else could it be possible? And why would he do it, having stuck it out this far? What in God's holy name is going on?
Surely the people couldn't have won, could they?
It could be that one or two local sports hacks are going all-out to try and get Horan selected. That was certainly the impression I got listening to the RTE interview yesterday evening, for example. This latest tweet could be aimed at ratchetting up the pressure ahead of the meeting? Club Mayo's reaction to the rejection of their second candidate will be interesting, if Horan ends up getting the nod.
They weren't involved with the 1st candidate and I heard nothing about them being involved with Tommy either. There is more than 1 Mayo association in Dublin.
How many are there?
I know there's a Mayoman's Association, but I don't think that's GAA specific. Club Mayo is certainly endorsed by the County Board - I was at the launch and it was certainly seen as an official vehicle. What others are out there? And what sort of impact can they have if they're not affiliated to the Board?
Lads, an individual with a large cheque book does't need procedure or affiliation. This is Ireland we are talking about. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy either. It can be well meaning all round. I accept the lack of transparency does no one any favours and leads to rumours and threads like this.
Denis O'Brien is paying some of Trapattoni's salary. Is he affiliated?
no but all the in the know guess have been or wrong so far .
the appointment of tommy lyons wont prove anything either .
if you make enough wild guess's your chances of appearing to be right increases greatly.
Plus did they not appoint a complete outsider in liam Horan
my opinion is there is an intense debate going on amongst these appointed to appoint and each is doing all they can to get their man in
this is as it should be. we dont want a repeat of the disaster of JOM
On the contrary many on here have been right from the start about all this. First Micko was wanted by the Chairman and his supporters. But there was opposition from the within the executive and the people in general were not gone on the idea of Micko so that trail went cold. However those that wanted Micko were not going to go with Maughan so enter Tommy stage left. There is still a chance that a charge led by the secretary will lead a counter- Tommy campaign tonight if he thinks he has the numbers. All very straightforward politics really. Conspiracy too, same as the last time.
tis only really a conspiracy if the people behind it have some clout
fair enough if the chairman wanted micko , thats his right but if he was told no and micko went away then fair enough thats how the system should work .
its a conspiracy if people start disappearing from committees until the chairman gets his way
somebody else wanted maughan but didnt get their way now some want tommy and some want james
one will win
that representative democracy at work and we members have to accept the decision of those who represnt us or join IorlarCC in his mighty boycott
Of course we have to accept the decision. And all we were doing anyway was amusing ourselves by trying to follow the twists and turns that took place. Which I believe we did very well. Its also a conspiracy if 2 or more people plot together to influence an outcome. I believe this has happened. Of course it can also be called politics in action or whatever.
I doubt Iolar or anybody else will be organising a boycott. But he can if he wants to of course. If people like the cut of the new regime more might start going back to games. If they don't more will decide to stay at home. A counties supporters are like a flock of starlings that all change direction at the same time. If the people don t like what s put in front of them they ll stay away without ant boycott being organised. They ve been staying away for years now and nothing was organised. Any calls to get behind the new management will be a waste of time as well.
Quote from: muppet on September 29, 2010, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
It wouldn't be the first, although Hardy wasn't invited.
I didn't know about it either. :P
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 29, 2010, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
It wouldn't be the first, although Hardy wasn't invited.
I didn't know about it either. :P
wasn't that part of the yahoo groups which existed inbetween board if i remeber rightly.
BTW ther some one from that board that still sends out of office Emails to all members who are still using the same email address . I got one about 2 weeks ago.
he works for a large bank.
Are yo still posting Here??????
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 07:33:01 PM
Of course we have to accept the decision. And all we were doing anyway was amusing ourselves by trying to follow the twists and turns that took place. Which I believe we did very well. Its also a conspiracy if 2 or more people plot together to influence an outcome. I believe this has happened. Of course it can also be called politics in action or whatever.
I doubt Iolar or anybody else will be organising a boycott. But he can if he wants to of course. If people like the cut of the new regime more might start going back to games. If they don't more will decide to stay at home. A counties supporters are like a flock of starlings that all change direction at the same time. If the people don t like what s put in front of them they ll stay away without ant boycott being organised. They ve been staying away for years now and nothing was organised. Any calls to get behind the new management will be a waste of time as well.
now thats being pedantic in the extreme
id be more worried if there were not at least 2 people behind a newly appointed manager
yes the peole will stay away either way till the first sniff of glory then well hear a load of cant about all the true fans who can't get tickets
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 29, 2010, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 29, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
lets hope it true and the people have won . jesus lads it could be an excuse for the 1st official gathering of mayo posters in some secret location with Hardy as guest of Honour
It wouldn't be the first, although Hardy wasn't invited.
I didn't know about it either. :P
Nor I.
Even i was invited before.
Just because it may be pedantic doesn't mean its not true. The Tommys being added to the ticket half way through takes a bit of explaining. Not like the were class 1 candidates becoming available out of the blue.. Why not Luke Dempsey or Mickey Ned? I d like to know the thinking behind it. Or maybe not. I d be worried too if the best that our County chairman can come up with for all his political nous is a poorman's Micko, Tommy 'arseboxing' Lyons. I hope he gets a mighty kick in the hole tonight. Metaphorically speaking of course. The Chairman that is.
I d expect a James Horan appointment to boost morale and increase support straight away. A reshuffle of the panel would help too. But even in better times there is a small enough core of supporters that go to games in the Spring.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 29, 2010, 06:58:25 PM
no but all the in the know guess have been or wrong so far .
the appointment of tommy lyons wont prove anything either .
if you make enough wild guess's your chances of appearing to be right increases greatly.
Plus did they not appoint a complete outsider in liam Horan
my opinion is there is an intense debate going on amongst these appointed to appoint and each is doing all they can to get their man in
this is as it should be. we dont want a repeat of the disaster of JOM
Well put, ros.
Less than an hour to go and if the CB has been trying to manipulate the proceedings all along they have been making a damn bad job of it. No one knew when the selection process got underway that Lyons, Horan and McGarry were going to be the only ones still in the reckoning. No one could have known that any of them would have decided to contest the position in the first place.
I have one good reason for thinking that the whole drawn out process was reasonably open and fair from the start and that's because I feel reason the CB didn't go ahead and pick their man without bothering to consult anyone else was that they feared the consequences if their next appointment was as ill-judged as their last. A classic instance of buck passing, IMO.
I will accept the choice of the delegates at the meeting now underway. I expect Horan to land the gig but I won't be shattered if any of the other pair is chosen.
Horan has it
We will have live updates from the meeting of the Mayo County board meeting.
20:43 Mayo GAA Executive currently meeting. Club delegates beginning to arrive for full County Board meeting which is scheduled for 9pm but very few delegates here yet
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/09/29/mayo-county-board-meeting-updates-tommy-lyons-or-james-moran/
Gary, Its James Horan not Moran
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 08:59:26 PM
Horan has it
Has it been announced yet?
I've heard it now from a few people from home since the afternoon, so it looks like he definitely has it, but won't start looking beyond tonight yet....
He interview committe are proposing jh. I'm sure the delegates will ratify him in the next 15 minutes
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 09:09:13 PM
He interview committe are proposing jh. I'm sure the delegates will ratify him in the next 15 minutes
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 29, 2010, 08:41:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 29, 2010, 06:58:25 PM
no but all the in the know guess have been or wrong so far .
the appointment of tommy lyons wont prove anything either .
if you make enough wild guess's your chances of appearing to be right increases greatly.
Plus did they not appoint a complete outsider in liam Horan
my opinion is there is an intense debate going on amongst these appointed to appoint and each is doing all they can to get their man in
this is as it should be. we dont want a repeat of the disaster of JOM
Well put, ros.
Less than an hour to go and if the CB has been trying to manipulate the proceedings all along they have been making a damn bad job of it. No one knew when the selection process got underway that Lyons, Horan and McGarry were going to be the only ones still in the reckoning. No one could have known that any of them would have decided to contest the position in the first place.
I have one good reason for thinking that the whole drawn out process was reasonably open and fair from the start and that's because I feel reason the CB didn't go ahead and pick their man without bothering to consult anyone else was that they feared the consequences if their next appointment was as ill-judged as their last. A classic instance of buck passing, IMO.
I will accept the choice of the delegates at the meeting now underway. I expect Horan to land the gig but I won't be shattered if any of the other pair is chosen.
Are you on the wind up Lar. Of course they were trying to manipulate things but they did do a bad job of it. No surprise there.So bad in fact that it may have worked in our favour and the earlier dispatches are correct and Horan has indeed got it. Fortunately the top table in the CB was split from the start or we d have had Micko, John M or Lyons. A few cuter ones that kept their powder dry ( I suspect the secretary played a blinder here) seem to have won the day. I ve had a few texts close to ground zero that Horan has it.
CONFIRMED!!
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10959:james-horan-is-new-mayo-senior-football-manager&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10959:james-horan-is-new-mayo-senior-football-manager&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
QuoteJames Horan is new Mayo senior football manager
Mike Finnerty
Castlebar
Weeks of speculation were brought to an end tonight when James Horan (38) was appointed as the new manager of the Mayo senior football team.
The Ballintubber manager, who was born in New Zealand, was recommended for the position by the five-man Mayo GAA selection committee and ratified by club delegates at a County Board meeting at McHale Park, Castlebar.
Former Dublin manager, Tommy Lyons, and Anthony McGarry were the other candidates interviewed for the high-profile position which was vacated by John O'Mahony last June.
Congrats and best of luck to James and his backroom team!!
James Horan confirmed. Best of luck to him
It s official.
Yeehaw!!!
Yes it's Horan. Wow! Don't know what to say. A victory for consensus , great news. Best of luck James :)
Best outcome i think. well done James Horan.
well done James horan i am thrilled.. is his backroom team announced yet.. yahoooooo
What does Horan do for a living?
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 29, 2010, 08:41:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 29, 2010, 06:58:25 PM
no but all the in the know guess have been or wrong so far .
the appointment of tommy lyons wont prove anything either .
if you make enough wild guess's your chances of appearing to be right increases greatly.
Plus did they not appoint a complete outsider in liam Horan
my opinion is there is an intense debate going on amongst these appointed to appoint and each is doing all they can to get their man in
this is as it should be. we dont want a repeat of the disaster of JOM
the one that looks to have played a blinder is James horan. How can you talk about manipulation and then suggest the secretary who was not on the interview panel played a blinder. Is this some sort of ballintubber conspiracy?
Congrats to James and hard luck on the others who were brave enought to put their heads on the block.
Well put, ros.
Less than an hour to go and if the CB has been trying to manipulate the proceedings all along they have been making a damn bad job of it. No one knew when the selection process got underway that Lyons, Horan and McGarry were going to be the only ones still in the reckoning. No one could have known that any of them would have decided to contest the position in the first place.
I have one good reason for thinking that the whole drawn out process was reasonably open and fair from the start and that's because I feel reason the CB didn't go ahead and pick their man without bothering to consult anyone else was that they feared the consequences if their next appointment was as ill-judged as their last. A classic instance of buck passing, IMO.
I will accept the choice of the delegates at the meeting now underway. I expect Horan to land the gig but I won't be shattered if any of the other pair is chosen.
Are you on the wind up Lar. Of course they were trying to manipulate things but they did do a bad job of it. No surprise there.So bad in fact that it may have worked in our favour and the earlier dispatches are correct and Horan has indeed got it. Fortunately the top table in the CB was split from the start or we d have had Micko, John M or Lyons. A few cuter ones that kept their powder dry ( I suspect the secretary played a blinder here) seem to have won the day. I ve had a few texts close to ground zero that Horan has it.
Any word on backroom team
3 year term according to Angelina.
Backroom team I heard earlier is James Nallen, Paul Jordan and Martin Connelly. But I haven't heard that officially confirmed.
This is great news! Restores a bit of faith and hope in Mayo football.
Huge job in front of him of course....
Edit: Looks like Ballintubber's Tom Prendergast is a selector as well. Congrats to Tom, had heard conflicting reports on that one all evening :)
Lets hope that James is the man to take us to the promised land. A leader on the field lets hope he can get the best out of our lads. Congrats and James Nallen will be a very worthy sidekick.
Hope all goes well for James
Quote from: parkoncrokie on September 29, 2010, 09:19:06 PM
well done James horan i am thrilled.. is his backroom team announced yet.. yahoooooo
Westport s Martin Connolly is in there. I suspect he will train the team. Something I remember him doing in the past as well I think.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2010, 09:19:54 PM
What does Horan do for a living?
manager in coke in ballina
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 09:20:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 29, 2010, 08:41:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 29, 2010, 06:58:25 PM
no but all the in the know guess have been or wrong so far .
the appointment of tommy lyons wont prove anything either .
if you make enough wild guess's your chances of appearing to be right increases greatly.
Plus did they not appoint a complete outsider in liam Horan
my opinion is there is an intense debate going on amongst these appointed to appoint and each is doing all they can to get their man in
this is as it should be. we dont want a repeat of the disaster of JOM
the one that looks to have played a blinder is James horan. How can you talk about manipulation and then suggest the secretary who was not on the interview panel played a blinder. Is this some sort of ballintubber conspiracy?
Congrats to James and hard luck on the others who were brave enought to put their heads on the block.
Well put, ros.
Less than an hour to go and if the CB has been trying to manipulate the proceedings all along they have been making a damn bad job of it. No one knew when the selection process got underway that Lyons, Horan and McGarry were going to be the only ones still in the reckoning. No one could have known that any of them would have decided to contest the position in the first place.
I have one good reason for thinking that the whole drawn out process was reasonably open and fair from the start and that's because I feel reason the CB didn't go ahead and pick their man without bothering to consult anyone else was that they feared the consequences if their next appointment was as ill-judged as their last. A classic instance of buck passing, IMO.
I will accept the choice of the delegates at the meeting now underway. I expect Horan to land the gig but I won't be shattered if any of the other pair is chosen.
Are you on the wind up Lar. Of course they were trying to manipulate things but they did do a bad job of it. No surprise there.So bad in fact that it may have worked in our favour and the earlier dispatches are correct and Horan has indeed got it. Fortunately the top table in the CB was split from the start or we d have had Micko, John M or Lyons. A few cuter ones that kept their powder dry ( I suspect the secretary played a blinder here) seem to have won the day. I ve had a few texts close to ground zero that Horan has it.
What s that Boosabum?
Fair play to him, and to all involved especially the committee who went with the feeling on the ground.
All we can do is wish them the best of luck.
I was making the point (before I deleted my reply) that the man who played the blinder was James horan. I then went on to question how you can speak of manipulation and then imply that the secretary who was not on the panel "played a blinder" which in turns suggests that he manipulated the decision process. I then asked if they was a ballintubber conspiracy.
Paul Jordan will train them.
Connolly, Prendergast and Nallen as selectors.
Liam Moffatt looking after Dublin based players.
A good result all round then. Whatever happens now, nobody can come back and say that someone was parachuted in or forced on the team and supporters. The will of the general public wins the day, which is unusual in Mayo football.
Its probably the ideal time for him to come in as well, zero expectation of instant success after this years efforts, so time to rebuild the squad and put a gameplan together. At the same time time plenty of underage talent to bring through and a clubmate of the manager to build the team around in Dillon.
Now we can start to speculate who he'll be taking to NY. :)
Congratulations to him! I believe it is the correct choice.
Thanks mainly to this discussion board, tonight meeting was like waiting for a new pope such was the excitement!
and so the roller coaster ride begins again! good luck james horan..
Best of luck to James and the lads.
Nallen and Jordan will die for the cause (not familiar with the other two). Hopefully the players, supporters and officials all get right behind them from the off.
Edit: I see it is Tom Prendergast who is familiar to me and another good Gaa man.
I'm sure all Mayo people can get on board with those guys.
Congrats to James Horan, ever a man for the big day, as was said in 1996. If the reaction on the ground with players is anything like its on this board then he will have no problem getting the full potential from his team, as long as they give it their all we cannot ask for more. Hard luck to McGarry and Lyons.
Come on Mayo
Best of luck to James Horan. The first League game is in Caisleán a'Bharraigh against Down. It seems fairly mouth-watering now.
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 09:34:45 PM
I was making the point (before I deleted my reply) that the man who played the blinder was James horan. I then went on to question how you can speak of manipulation and then imply that the secretary who was not on the panel "played a blinder" which in turns suggests that he manipulated the decision process. I then asked if they was a ballintubber conspiracy.
No. And I m sure Horan did a great interview. But James had to have support within as well to turn this around. We know the executive was split from the start and weeks ago I said on here that Horan might benefit from that. I believe that Lyons was dropped when they realised there was a groundswell of opinion against them. Then there is every likelihood that the anti - Lyons faction within the executive were canvassing support from club delegates last few days while we were talking. Maybe they counted the numbers and relised that they couldn't get Lyons through a vote. Or maybe they all just came to their senses and did the right thing. We ll know when the journalists do their job and sift through it.
Ye are all more than welcome to join the Official Meath manager thread.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 29, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
Ye are all more than welcome to join the Official Meath manager thread.
do ye want the interview tape for tommy lyons?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
Best of luck to James Horan. The first League game is in Caisleán a'Bharraigh against Down. It seems fairly mouth-watering now.
where did you see the fixture list?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 29, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
Ye are all more than welcome to join the Official Meath manager thread.
Yawn. Only 6 pages. Where would the likes of me be without intrigue and conspiracy?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 29, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
Ye are all more than welcome to join the Official Meath manager thread.
Can we recommend Tommy Lyons?
Quote from: ildanach on September 29, 2010, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 29, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
Ye are all more than welcome to join the Official Meath manager thread.
do ye want the interview tape for tommy lyons?
Just edit out the arseboxing.
Quote from: ildanach on September 29, 2010, 09:51:52 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
Best of luck to James Horan. The first League game is in Caisleán a'Bharraigh against Down. It seems fairly mouth-watering now.
where did you see the fixture list?
I didn't - someone rang me. I'm open to correction on it.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on September 29, 2010, 09:36:06 PM
A good result all round then. Whatever happens now, nobody can come back and say that someone was parachuted in or forced on the team and supporters. The will of the general public wins the day, which is unusual in Mayo football.
Its probably the ideal time for him to come in as well, zero expectation of instant success after this years efforts, so time to rebuild the squad and put a gameplan together. At the same time time plenty of underage talent to bring through and a clubmate of the manager to build the team around in Dillon.
Now we can start to speculate who he'll be taking to NY. :)
The NY trip could be tricky. I know of one lad not in the Summer panel that was contacted weeks ago and told he was going. Then there are likes of Dillon and Conor Mort that did not play in FBD? Do they go with the FBD panel - some of whom may not be in their plans for the future? Remember a lot of the younger players at college would not have played FBD for the county. Or do they bring a expeditionary panel of the new managements choice to NY?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
Best of luck to James Horan. The first League game is in Caisleán a'Bharraigh against Down. It seems fairly mouth-watering now.
Is he the boyo who built the airport at Knock.? ;D
Now that the man you all wanted got the gig, how are ye's going to push the thread over the 100 page mark when all your angst and pains have been eased?? ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 29, 2010, 10:07:12 PM
Now that the man you all wanted got the gig, how are ye's going to push the thread over the 100 page mark when all your angst and pains have been eased?? ;)
We'll do it just as we hope the team will play under Horan. By rising to the challenge.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: ildanach on September 29, 2010, 09:51:52 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
Best of luck to James Horan. The first League game is in Caisleán a'Bharraigh against Down. It seems fairly mouth-watering now.
where did you see the fixture list?
I didn't - someone rang me. I'm open to correction on it.
Wasn't aware of any League fixtures yet?
Thank God we got the right man.
We can thank Joe Coleman for his prayers in Knock.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 29, 2010, 10:07:12 PM
Now that the man you all wanted got the gig, how are ye's going to push the thread over the 100 page mark when all your angst and pains have been eased?? ;)
Watch the post Summer pessimism quickly turn into boundless optimism. Should get it over the ton. ;D
Congrats and good luck to James and all the backroom team. It looks like a good setup with a good mix of people involved. The only thing I hope is that now the fans favourite has got the job that expectations don't go mad. It is also worth remembering Johnno was a fan favourite when he was appointed. We can only give our support and hope it ends up in a better place than we have in the last few yrs.
Well done to James anyway.
Some man to kick a point.
Best of Luck James, always stood up and was counted as a player, more the the same now is a cert. No bullshit. Great news to start the day. up the field mayo...
Quote from: kevmy on September 29, 2010, 10:16:16 PM
Congrats and good luck to James and all the backroom team. It looks like a good setup with a good mix of people involved. The only thing I hope is that now the fans favourite has got the job that expectations don't go mad. It is also worth remembering Johnno was a fan favourite when he was appointed. We can only give our support and hope it ends up in a better place than we have in the last few yrs.
I don't think expectations have anything got to do with it. Well they do I suppose. Expectations should be high and everybody, players especially, should know that before they sign up. Johnno, being a spoofer , shot himself in the foot by lowering expectation. His backroom team weren't at the races either. Horan will only be a success if he has the physical training/ conditioning to match the best set-ups in the country. Will he have that with those currently in his team?
EDIT. Other names emerging. Dr Seán Moffatt, Joe Dawson (physio), Paul O Grady ? Liam Moffatt - he s into sport science? Ed Coughlan ( strength and conditioning). Ah yes this looks more like it on paper anyway. If I m not mistaken this may be like going from the stone age to the space age in a few months. Please God let it be so.
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 29, 2010, 08:41:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 29, 2010, 06:58:25 PM
no but all the in the know guess have been or wrong so far .
the appointment of tommy lyons wont prove anything either .
if you make enough wild guess's your chances of appearing to be right increases greatly.
Plus did they not appoint a complete outsider in liam Horan
my opinion is there is an intense debate going on amongst these appointed to appoint and each is doing all they can to get their man in
this is as it should be. we dont want a repeat of the disaster of JOM
Well put, ros.
Less than an hour to go and if the CB has been trying to manipulate the proceedings all along they have been making a damn bad job of it. No one knew when the selection process got underway that Lyons, Horan and McGarry were going to be the only ones still in the reckoning. No one could have known that any of them would have decided to contest the position in the first place.
I have one good reason for thinking that the whole drawn out process was reasonably open and fair from the start and that's because I feel reason the CB didn't go ahead and pick their man without bothering to consult anyone else was that they feared the consequences if their next appointment was as ill-judged as their last. A classic instance of buck passing, IMO.
I will accept the choice of the delegates at the meeting now underway. I expect Horan to land the gig but I won't be shattered if any of the other pair is chosen.
Are you on the wind up Lar. Of course they were trying to manipulate things but they did do a bad job of it. No surprise there.So bad in fact that it may have worked in our favour and the earlier dispatches are correct and Horan has indeed got it. Fortunately the top table in the CB was split from the start or we d have had Micko, John M or Lyons. A few cuter ones that kept their powder dry ( I suspect the secretary played a blinder here) seem to have won the day. I ve had a few texts close to ground zero that Horan has it.
No windup at all, moysider; in fact, I've said the same thing as you- just a matter of different emphasis
.Of course the board members had their own particular agendas- that's only to be expected and I'd be surprised if they hadn't acted true to form.
But what I wanted to put across was that the CB- as a body- hadn't decided to back one single individual from the word go. I couldn't agree with the notion that Tommy Lyons or Maughan or Micko for that matter was going to walk into the job because the CB had decided the outcome in advance.
Too many egos to be massaged for that so the favourite tag was switched about as one faction or another made their move.
While I'm pretty certain that the principal reason the selection procedure was opened up was to cover the board's collective ass if the new man turned out to be as ineffective as poor Johnno, I think another reason was that they couldn't settle on an agreed candidate.
So justice has been done and James has landed the job, probably with the backing of some of the board members. I'd imagine that if Waldron was backing Lyons, Feeney would have been behind Horan but that's the way business is done at that level.
Anyway, democracy won out tonight, maybe because our CB had wanted it to be so from the start or because it couldn't agree on how to best manipulate it to their advantage.
BTW; spare a thought for Tommy and Tony. I wish them both the very best.
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 29, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
Ye are all more than welcome to join the Official Meath manager thread.
Yawn. Only 6 pages. Where would the likes of me be without intrigue and conspiracy?
you could make it up again
Confirmed in mayo we have the world worst conspirators
the only man with out a conspiracy got the job
or was this the ultimate fifth(castlebar telegraph) columnist conspiracy
or just a case of every one we don't like supporters being blackguards
Good luck james by christ youll need it
Expectations are the same as ever
Win an all Ireland ot there are Questions to answer
if you dont agree tell me when was the last time you were satisfied with the way Mayo exited the championship
Quote from: rosnarun on September 29, 2010, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 29, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
Ye are all more than welcome to join the Official Meath manager thread.
Yawn. Only 6 pages. Where would the likes of me be without intrigue and conspiracy?
you could make it up again
Confirmed in mayo we have the world worst conspirators
the only man with out a conspiracy got the job
or was this the ultimate fifth(castlebar telegraph) columnist conspiracy
or just a case of every one we don't like supporters being blackguards
Good luck james by christ youll need it
Nothing was made up old sport.
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: kevmy on September 29, 2010, 10:16:16 PM
Congrats and good luck to James and all the backroom team. It looks like a good setup with a good mix of people involved. The only thing I hope is that now the fans favourite has got the job that expectations don't go mad. It is also worth remembering Johnno was a fan favourite when he was appointed. We can only give our support and hope it ends up in a better place than we have in the last few yrs.
I don't think expectations have anything got to do with it. Well they do I suppose. Expectations should be high and everybody, players especially, should know that before they sign up. Johnno, being a spoofer , shot himself in the foot by lowering expectation. His backroom team weren't at the races either. Horan will only be a success if he has the physical training/ conditioning to match the best set-ups in the country. Will he have that with those currently in his team?
EDIT. Other names emerging. Dr Seán Moffatt, Joe Dawson (physio), Paul O Grady ? Liam Moffatt - he s into sport science? Ed Coughlan ( strength and conditioning). Ah yes this looks more like it on paper anyway. If I m not mistaken this may be like going from the stone age to the space age in a few months. Please God let it be so.
Obviously expectations should be there and be realistic. But expecting the lads to come in and turn it around immediately and win an AI or something. Unrealistic expectations can breed pressure and end in premature sackings. We should aim for passion, fight, common sense football, with our best players on the pitch giving the best they can. After that what happens happens.
James Horan said in his speech this evening that good communication between the mayo manager and the managers of the clubs around the county is very important and that he will be looking at players from all level's, he pointed out that 6 or 7 of the Cork team were not senior players. He also said this appointment was not just about a manager but about the background team behind him also.
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 09:45:42 PM
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 09:34:45 PM
I was making the point (before I deleted my reply) that the man who played the blinder was James horan. I then went on to question how you can speak of manipulation and then imply that the secretary who was not on the panel "played a blinder" which in turns suggests that he manipulated the decision process. I then asked if they was a ballintubber conspiracy.
No. And I m sure Horan did a great interview. But James had to have support within as well to turn this around. We know the executive was split from the start and weeks ago I said on here that Horan might benefit from that. I believe that Lyons was dropped when they realised there was a groundswell of opinion against them. Then there is every likelihood that the anti - Lyons faction within the executive were canvassing support from club delegates last few days while we were talking. Maybe they counted the numbers and relised that they couldn't get Lyons through a vote. Or maybe they all just came to their senses and did the right thing. We ll know when the journalists do their job and sift through it.
Moysider, maybe you have sources a lot closer to the action than i have. i don't believe there was any official "unofficial" push for tommy, i suspect each had their own ideas and at the end JH was the man. I'm sure your aware that Feeney is the task master and his decree of no outsiders quickly banished tommy carr and micko and pulled his own man home. I am not being disingenuios to James when i say that. My opinion is that he interviewed well, proposed a good team with galway and dublin based selectors and this coupled with sundays win got him past the post. Hopefully his tenure is a fruitful one and not a copy of the holmes experiment which untilmately ended badly. Maybe his namesake can return to her old job as PRO since its up for grabs. I don't think that any canvassing was carried out, whomever was proposed tonight would have been ratified regardless. Roll on september 2011, the 60th anniversery. I'll book the 4 seasons for a change of luck
As i said on page 4 of this thread this was all bound to happen
welcome just maybe have we seen you before???
No, long long time reader, 1st time posted. Delighted with the new manager so couldn't stay quiet any longer :)
Quote from: rosnarun on September 29, 2010, 10:31:27 PM
Expectations are the same as ever
Win an all Ireland ot there are Questions to answer
if you dont agree tell me when was the last time you were satisfied with the way Mayo exited the championship
Personally I have never been satisfied - but perversely this year came close with a fitting end to a self-serving, depressing era.
It would be disturbing if we would be satisfied with anything apart from outright victory. And I m sure James Horan will not be satisfied if he does not win one in his time as manager. That s the way it is and should be. I wouldn't fear for James Horan. He knows what he s letting himself in for but I m sure he s delighted to be given a great opportunity. Unlike the last guy who treated it as a chore. He has plenty to be getting on with and not be bothered about fans expectations. I hope he can turn around - like Loughnane did in Clare- and say, in a couple of years, that the hardest thing about the Mayo job was actually gettin the job in the first place. If he doesn't win one - which unfortunately is likely, as we haven't won one in 60 years and there is only one satisfied county every year - we move on. If he's got the expertise about him I think he ll go very close. Provided he starts off bold with panel selection.
Are we sure that this is'nt like the Australia's next top model fiasco where they named the wrong winner by mistake?
This may not be over yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 09:45:42 PM
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 09:34:45 PM
I was making the point (before I deleted my reply) that the man who played the blinder was James horan. I then went on to question how you can speak of manipulation and then imply that the secretary who was not on the panel "played a blinder" which in turns suggests that he manipulated the decision process. I then asked if they was a ballintubber conspiracy.
No. And I m sure Horan did a great interview. But James had to have support within as well to turn this around. We know the executive was split from the start and weeks ago I said on here that Horan might benefit from that. I believe that Lyons was dropped when they realised there was a groundswell of opinion against them. Then there is every likelihood that the anti - Lyons faction within the executive were canvassing support from club delegates last few days while we were talking. Maybe they counted the numbers and relised that they couldn't get Lyons through a vote. Or maybe they all just came to their senses and did the right thing. We ll know when the journalists do their job and sift through it.
Moysider, maybe you have sources a lot closer to the action than i have. i don't believe there was any official "unofficial" push for tommy, i suspect each had their own ideas and at the end JH was the man. I'm sure your aware that Feeney is the task master and his decree of no outsiders quickly banished tommy carr and micko and pulled his own man home. I am not being disingenuios to James when i say that. My opinion is that he interviewed well, proposed a good team with galway and dublin based selectors and this coupled with sundays win got him past the post. Hopefully his tenure is a fruitful one and not a copy of the holmes experiment which untilmately ended badly. Maybe his namesake can return to her old job as PRO since its up for grabs. I don't think that any canvassing was carried out, whomever was proposed tonight would have been ratified regardless. Roll on september 2011, the 60th anniversery. I'll book the 4 seasons for a change of luck
Look. We re basically saying the same thing. But Tommy Lyons did not become odds on for nothing. Sure you re agreeing with me that Feeney had a hand in it. Remember it appeared the interview committee was loaded in Waldron s/Lyons favour. To hell with it, it is agood result. The right man got the job. Onwards.
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
Are we sure that this is'nt like the Australia's next top model fiasco where they named the wrong winner by mistake?
This may not be over yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You re drinking your grog too fast mate. WTF?
Quote from: boosabum on September 29, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
Are we sure that this is'nt like the Australia's next top model fiasco where they named the wrong winner by mistake?
This may not be over yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ya but the difference there is you'd gladly let either do a job for ya... ;)
I see the mayo news have him down as a New Zealander? whats his backround when did he move back etc?
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 29, 2010, 11:13:15 PM
I see the mayo news have him down as a New Zealander? whats his backround when did he move back etc?
Yeah. Born in NZ and could have been well weaned by the time his family came back. The local Tubber lads would know the day and time of course. I never say him play until the Galway league match in McHale Park in Autumn 95. He played 11. I ve no recollection of him playing Minor or U21 so he may have come to the game late enough so, 12 - 15 ? Interestingly he played a lot at no. 11 during the league and a lot thought him too slow and deliberate. He was much more effective at 12 later in the Summer but unfortunately we ended up without a number 11 at all, with Colm Mac playin as sweeper. Without much tweaking that team could have won a couple. It s more difficult now for Horan in the sense we don t have as strong a player as then and the bar has been raised since in training and tactics.
A big leap into the unknown, but all the best to Horan and his backroom team.
Who's taking over from him for the County final?
Congratulations to James Horan. Hopefully he will bring the success to Mayo that his namesake the great Monsignor did and that they will be flying high again soon. A great decion that I have no doubt the county will be well rewarded with pride once again restored in the county.
Over to you now, Galway, be brave, do the same - a homegrown man for the job.
Quote from: stephenite on September 30, 2010, 12:20:59 AM
A big leap into the unknown, but all the best to Horan and his backroom team.
Who's taking over from him for the County final?
I d expect that Horan will stay in charge of Ballintubber as long as they are in the championship.
I don't think that it a big leap into the unknown. Tommy Lyons or Micko would have been that. God knows what Lyons would d have done or who he would have let the board put with him.
When you think about it this is sensible and even conservative. Likes of James Nallen, Martin Connolly or Horan himself or anybody else on that team wont do anything stupid.
There is a lack of experience of how to run the line at Inter county level - that in itself may not be a bad thing, but it's still a bit of an unknown. There is a huge diff between managing your club and your county.
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 09:57:05 PM
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 29, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
Best of luck to James Horan. The first League game is in Caisleán a'Bharraigh against Down. It seems fairly mouth-watering now.
where did you see the fixture list?
I didn't - someone rang me. I'm open to correction on it.
Wasn't aware of any League fixtures yet?
Cut me some slack on the League thing boys. If they're playing the Dallas Cowboys that's fine by me. This is a great night. So relieved. So happy.
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2010, 11:45:48 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 29, 2010, 11:13:15 PM
I see the mayo news have him down as a New Zealander? whats his backround when did he move back etc?
Yeah. Born in NZ and could have been well weaned by the time his family came back. The local Tubber lads would know the day and time of course. I never say him play until the Galway league match in McHale Park in Autumn 95. He played 11. I ve no recollection of him playing Minor or U21 so he may have come to the game late enough so, 12 - 15 ? Interestingly he played a lot at no. 11 during the league and a lot thought him too slow and deliberate. He was much more effective at 12 later in the Summer but unfortunately we ended up without a number 11 at all, with Colm Mac playin as sweeper. Without much tweaking that team could have won a couple. It s more difficult now for Horan in the sense we don t have as strong a player as then and the bar has been raised since in training and tactics.
Born in New Zealand. Moved back to Ireland in the late 1970s I believe.
Congrats to James and Tom, delighted for them and for Mayo football, as I think it was the right choice! ;D
Yep, his grandad played for all blacks
Quote from: stephenite on September 30, 2010, 12:46:52 AM
There is a lack of experience of how to run the line at Inter county level - that in itself may not be a bad thing, but it's still a bit of an unknown. There is a huge diff between managing your club and your county.
Likes of Connolly have been managing match situations for years. The stakes are higher but you can either do it or not. Not like we're used to high standards. At inter-county level as well you have, or should have, in a county like Mayo, players who are way above club level and better able to do what is asked of them. The managements job is to make sure they have that kind of player.
Quote from: moysider on September 30, 2010, 01:12:13 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 30, 2010, 12:46:52 AM
There is a lack of experience of how to run the line at Inter county level - that in itself may not be a bad thing, but it's still a bit of an unknown. There is a huge diff between managing your club and your county.
Likes of Connolly have been managing match situations for years. The stakes are higher but you can either do it or not. Not like we're used to high standards. At inter-county level as well you have, or should have, in a county like Mayo, players who are way above club level and better able to do what is asked of them. The managements job is to make sure they have that kind of player.
The stakes were high for Maughan in 1996 and by his own admission he failed when the chips were down by failing to take into account what to do when leading with the clock running down-could he do it or could he not?
Managing match situations at club level is not always like for like compared to Inter county when the stakes are high.
Quote from: spuds on September 30, 2010, 12:55:04 AM
Yep, his grandad played for all blacks
Spuds. I've been meaning to ask you for ages - that quare wan in your avatar. Is it Mask, Corrib or Conn she's getting up out of?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 30, 2010, 01:20:28 AM
Quote from: spuds on September 30, 2010, 12:55:04 AM
Yep, his grandad played for all blacks
Spuds. I've been meaning to ask you for ages - that quare wan in your avatar. Is it Mask, Corrib or Conn she's getting up out of?
She s a slippery slip of a thing from lough carra
O lads this is fantastic news, I'm delighted. I couldn't believe it when I got the text. Lads suddenly I have been raised from the depths of depression, MAYO 4 SAM 2011, only messing, ha ha happy out, time to move forward. We are the Green and Red.
Good stuff, best of luck to Horan. It will be interesting to see what kind of a team he takes to New York.
At least we have something to look forward to now for 2011. The league should be used to experiment etc..
Fantastic news and best of luck to James.
I do not doubt but that the comments by supporters by ourselves on blogs and boards like this did have an influence in persuading the Board that they would not be able to push through Tommy Lyons.
It is still a risk but there is a huge amount of goodwill for James and that is a great starting point. He will be low-key and needs time and space and judgement should only begin after next Summer.
Well done.
Great decision.
I'm delighted you didn't pick Lyons - for your own sake.
In fact, if I'm honest, I'm amazed you didn't as that's what I expected from the CB
As someone pointed out above the key thing here with the success will be the strength of the backroom team and the way they can pull together.
Best of luck
Seems like a welcome decisiion so well done. What in under God are ye going to talk about now though - a new jersey design?
Quote from: Barney on September 30, 2010, 08:21:53 AM
Fantastic news and best of luck to James.
I do not doubt but that the comments by supporters by ourselves on blogs and boards like this did have an influence in persuading the Board that they would not be able to push through Tommy Lyons.
It is still a risk but there is a huge amount of goodwill for James and that is a great starting point. He will be low-key and needs time and space and judgement should only begin after next Summer.
I think people might be claiming too much credit with a statement like that. The CB hardly traweled throught the internet to gauge opinion, there are tons of posts lambasting them for being out of touch with the clubs and supporters, so why start now.
Maybe, just maybe JH was head and shoulders above the others and the choice was straightforward.
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
QuoteWhat in under God are ye going to talk about now though - a new jersey design?
I wonder will we be getting a change actually. I think it should do away with the old memories of the Johnno era and make a change.. It is a 2 year old jersey at this stage.
I think we all need a break though and I certainly intend to take one after the initial fanfare has died down and the NY game is over.
http://reservations.citywesthotel.com/bookings/checkavailability
get in early!
It is ironic that after one of the positives put forward in support of Lyons was that he was born in Mayo and only moved east when he was 10. Then a Mayoman gets the job, even though he was born in New Zealand!
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Paul Jordan is origially from Kilmovee/Urluar. He was part of the great Urluar Soccer side that won the Mayo Cup in 86, 87, 90 and 93. Urluar were league champions in 1990. Urluar achieved FAI and Connacht cup runs in the late eighties. He was voted Mayo (Soccer) Player of the Year in 1990. He has amanged Snugboro United in the Super League.
He was a member of the Castlebar Mitchels team who won County in 1993 and Connacht finals, before losing the AI Club final in 1994 to Nemo Rangers. Was recently Manager of Castlebar Mitchels Senior side that lost in the knockout stage of the championship, earlier that day he had the distinction of playing in the Junior championship for mitchels second team. He recenly won a Masters AI with Mayo. He has been involved recently in training Mitchels underage as well as the Mayo Ladies in 2008.
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 08:46:33 AM
Quote from: Barney on September 30, 2010, 08:21:53 AM
Fantastic news and best of luck to James.
I do not doubt but that the comments by supporters by ourselves on blogs and boards like this did have an influence in persuading the Board that they would not be able to push through Tommy Lyons.
It is still a risk but there is a huge amount of goodwill for James and that is a great starting point. He will be low-key and needs time and space and judgement should only begin after next Summer.
I think people might be claiming too much credit with a statement like that. The CB hardly traweled throught the internet to gauge opinion, there are tons of posts lambasting them for being out of touch with the clubs and supporters, so why start now.
Maybe, just maybe JH was head and shoulders above the others and the choice was straightforward.
Are you joking? Its well known that the GaaBoard and other web pages have been mentioned in county board statements as well in the local newspapers.
What is discussed here is well read and talked about by everyone from former greats in the Red and Green to the county board. Dont cod yourself! ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 30, 2010, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Paul Jordan is origially from Kilmovee/Urluar. He was part of the great Urluar Soccer side that won the Mayo Cup in 86, 87, 90 and 93. Urluar were league champions in 1990. Urluar achieved FAI and Connacht cup runs in the late eighties. He was voted Mayo (Soccer) Player of the Year in 1990. He has amanged Snugboro United in the Super League.
He was a member of the Castlebar Mitchels team who won County in 1993 and Connacht finals, before losing the AI Club final in 1994 to Nemo Rangers. Was recently Manager of Castlebar Mitchels Senior side that lost in the knockout stage of the championship, earlier that day he had the distinction of playing in the Junior championship for mitchels second team. He recenly won a Masters AI with Mayo. He has been involved recently in training Mitchels underage as well as the Mayo Ladies in 2008.
I see he was a member of the infamous "Castlebar" team of the early nineties with hardly a Castlebar man in sight.
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Tom Prendergast is also part of the backroom team, with responsibility for stats.
Tom is also from Ballintubber and was a star of the team that won an Intermediate title in 1990. He also played for Mayo juniors.
He has been part of the senior management setup for the past few years.
He is from the great Prendergast family - son of Murt(RIP), and a nephew of Ray (RIP) and Paddy.
He's also a first cousin of Mayo minor manager Tony Duffy.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 30, 2010, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Tom Prendergast is also part of the backroom team, with responsibility for stats.
Tom is also from Ballintubber and was a star of the team that won an Intermediate title in 1990. He also played for Mayo juniors.
He has been part of the senior management setup for the past few years.
He is from the great Prendergast family - son of Murt(RIP), and a nephew of Ray (RIP) and Paddy.
He's also a first cousin of Mayo minor manager Tony Duffy.
I think Tom Prendergast and Tony Duffy have Leinster Senior club championships with Ballyboden GAA in Dublin.
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Martin Connelly is a secondary school teacher and has a lot of club management experience in Mayo and had managed Westport, Burrishoole, Davitts and Rice College.
He won an intermediate title managing Westport and Burrishoole (I think).
I think he won Connacht Minor titles in with Mayo '73 & '74,
County and All-Ireland Club with Thomond College in 1978 and County U-21 and Intermediate titles with Davitt's.
Vastly experienced man on the ground in Mayo
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Lot of backroom staff, i hope they all travel in the same car to keep expenses down :D
Bollox anyway, another year of listening to the bluffer on the SG, would the Galway lads be interested???
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Lot of backroom staff, i hope they all travel in the same car to keep expenses down :D
Welcome to the board Mr Lambe.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 30, 2010, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Paul Jordan is origially from Kilmovee/Urluar. He was part of the great Urluar Soccer side that won the Mayo Cup in 86, 87, 90 and 93. Urluar were league champions in 1990. Urluar achieved FAI and Connacht cup runs in the late eighties. He was voted Mayo (Soccer) Player of the Year in 1990. He has amanged Snugboro United in the Super League.
He was a member of the Castlebar Mitchels team who won County in 1993 and Connacht finals, before losing the AI Club final in 1994 to Nemo Rangers. Was recently Manager of Castlebar Mitchels Senior side that lost in the knockout stage of the championship, earlier that day he had the distinction of playing in the Junior championship for mitchels second team. He recenly won a Masters AI with Mayo. He has been involved recently in training Mitchels underage as well as the Mayo Ladies in 2008.
Welcome to the board Mr Jordan, best of loook with the new job.
Martin Connolly also managed Davitts and was trainer to the Mayo minors in 1985, when they won the All-Ireland under the management of Mick Burke.
Liam Moffatt has a degree in sports science and I believe is taking the Dublin players. Ed Coughlan is, I believe, taking strength and conditioning. Paul O'Grady is a renowned physio at Mayo General. I assume Joe Dawson is a physio as well. Its a decent looking team.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 30, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Lot of backroom staff, i hope they all travel in the same car to keep expenses down :D
Welcome to the board Mr Lambe.
Thanks, i'll have no problem shifting €100 tickets this year and charging €20 for the county finals. Sure, he's paid his way already.
Anyone have a cheap people carrier for sale by the way?
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 11:13:47 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 30, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Lot of backroom staff, i hope they all travel in the same car to keep expenses down :D
Welcome to the board Mr Lambe.
Thanks, i'll have no problem shifting €100 tickets this year and charging €20 for the county finals. Sure, he's paid his way already.
Anyone have a cheap people carrier for sale by the way?
Talk to Noel Howley
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 30, 2010, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 11:13:47 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 30, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Must say im delighted with the appointment and i hope realistic targets are put to Horan and he is given time to grow into the job.
Can someone outline what background his selectors and backroom staff have for those of us living away?
James Nallen,
Paul Jordan
Martin Connelly
Dr Seán Moffatt,
Joe Dawson (physio),
Paul O Grady
Liam Moffatt
Ed Coughlan
Is it time to take the circus back to the Local Gaa Page?
Lot of backroom staff, i hope they all travel in the same car to keep expenses down :D
Welcome to the board Mr Lambe.
Thanks, i'll have no problem shifting €100 tickets this year and charging €20 for the county finals. Sure, he's paid his way already.
Anyone have a cheap people carrier for sale by the way?
Talk to Noel Howley
:D :D You're sharp today!
Right lads that's everything sorted now.
Now would ya's get back out to the rest of the threads. The boards got very quiet with all you lads cooped up in here the last while.
No-one does drama like ye. Obviously from a Sligo point of view I'd have preferred Micko or the Bullshitter King Lyons to be managing Mayo but I think in the end ye have picked the right guy. He may lack experience but I reckon he's just what ye need and will do a fine job. Ye will be much better in 2010 on the back of this.
This is great news, credit ot the county board, i wouldn't be their biggest fan but this has the potential to be a good move. Heard him been interviewed on the late sports news on radio 1 last night, no bullshit out of him, all about doing the right things in training and how this builds confidence, players working hard, players developing as individuals and as a team. Just to hear the passion and enthuasisim in his voice talking about the job is great. All the best James. Finally one downside is the Ballintubber lads will be hard to listen to now, they are the new power base of Mayo football!!! :D
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 30, 2010, 11:37:28 AM
No-one does drama like ye. Obviously from a Sligo point of view I'd have preferred Micko or the Bullshitter King Lyons to be managing Mayo but I think in the end ye have picked the right guy. He may lack experience but I reckon he's just what ye need and will do a fine job. Ye will be much better in 2010 on the back of this.
I hope the drama doesn't get the better of the clogher brigade as they still have a final to contest. With all the best will in the world, it will be hard for James to hit training tonight amid all the euphoria of the last 24 hours with a clear mind. Maybe tubberman can address them tonight to set the focus for the mitchels game
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 30, 2010, 11:37:28 AM
No-one does drama like ye. Obviously from a Sligo point of view I'd have preferred Micko or the Bullshitter King Lyons to be managing Mayo but I think in the end ye have picked the right guy. He may lack experience but I reckon he's just what ye need and will do a fine job. Ye will be much better in 2010 on the back of this.
I hope the drama doesn't get the better of the clogher brigade as they still have a final to contest. With all the best will in the world, it will be hard for James to hit training tonight amid all the euphoria of the last 24 hours with a clear mind. Maybe tubberman can address them tonight to set the focus for the mitchels game
Horan isn't one to get carried away. I'd say the 'tubber players won't see any difference at training - maybe a bollocking to reassure them his mind hasn't started to wander :D
And Abbeysider is the man on here who is closest to the scene, so he can be the one to deliver the kick up the hole if required ;)
he'll do well for us, has a good knowledge of the club scene over the last few years so may be a few new faces. read in the independent that he's expected to undertake county wide trials for new talent. has such a system served us well in the past (each club sending a few players to traias ala mickey moran) or have his selectors enough knoweldge of the club scene to know the few thay want. are almost open invite trials are the best way forward or how do we intoduce players to the pool?
Quote from: southsider on September 30, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
he'll do well for us, has a good knowledge of the club scene over the last few years so may be a few new faces. read in the independent that he's expected to undertake county wide trials for new talent. has such a system served us well in the past (each club sending a few players to traias ala mickey moran) or have his selectors enough knoweldge of the club scene to know the few thay want. are almost open invite trials are the best way forward or how do we intoduce players to the pool?
We need to bring players in who have the potential to be county players over the next 18 months, not someone who shines in the rain and muck of the league and come the summer time is at home footing turf. Mayo football is now a long term project, two steps forward and none back as oppossed to the two forward 2.1 steps back, we have had for the past few years.
Quote from: southsider on September 30, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
he'll do well for us, has a good knowledge of the club scene over the last few years so may be a few new faces. read in the independent that he's expected to undertake county wide trials for new talent. has such a system served us well in the past (each club sending a few players to traias ala mickey moran) or have his selectors enough knoweldge of the club scene to know the few thay want. are almost open invite trials are the best way forward or how do we intoduce players to the pool?
Here s a way to keep driving this thread over the 100 page mark lads! From clubs in your area that you know well, what players 19yrs+ are there who have not played senior county but are worth a look. I ll think about it and come back with a couple later. Just to get James started like.
Kiltane, not one good enough, big enough or even physical enough.
Edit to say, Delighted that Horan got the Job, now we just have to let him get on with it. All I want to see is a Mayo team compete to its potential and where ever that lands us so be it!!
Quote from: moysider on September 30, 2010, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: southsider on September 30, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
he'll do well for us, has a good knowledge of the club scene over the last few years so may be a few new faces. read in the independent that he's expected to undertake county wide trials for new talent. has such a system served us well in the past (each club sending a few players to traias ala mickey moran) or have his selectors enough knoweldge of the club scene to know the few thay want. are almost open invite trials are the best way forward or how do we intoduce players to the pool?
Here s a way to keep driving this thread over the 100 page mark lads! From clubs in your area that you know well, what players 19yrs+ are there who have not played senior county but are worth a look. I ll think about it and come back with a couple later. Just to get James started like.
lord above add a zero to that page mark!
Quote from: moysider on September 30, 2010, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: southsider on September 30, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
he'll do well for us, has a good knowledge of the club scene over the last few years so may be a few new faces. read in the independent that he's expected to undertake county wide trials for new talent. has such a system served us well in the past (each club sending a few players to traias ala mickey moran) or have his selectors enough knoweldge of the club scene to know the few thay want. are almost open invite trials are the best way forward or how do we intoduce players to the pool?
Here s a way to keep driving this thread over the 100 page mark lads! From clubs in your area that you know well, what players 19yrs+ are there who have not played senior county but are worth a look. I ll think about it and come back with a couple later. Just to get James started like.
seriously though i'd only have a fair idea of south mayo so here goes.
Neale - E Hughes
Kilmaine - P Doherty (not sure if he's played before), J Maloney
Shrule - most have already had a shot
Garrymore - C Crowe, D Dolan
Hollymount - C Connolly
Ballinrobe - D Killeen, J O Malley
Davitts - not sure of them (boyle, mcnamara and carey all have played for mayo)
Carramore - not sure about their players also.
Thats an attemp. open to opinions and bein lynched
Quote from: intoDwest on September 30, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
Kiltane, not one good enough, big enough or even physical enough.
Edit to say, Delighted that Horan got the Job, now we just have to let him get on with it. All I want to see is a Mayo team compete to its potential and where ever that lands us so be it!!
I thought they bred them big and tough out that way?
Crowe and Dolan looked like good prospects from the last few minor teams so it's good to see them get a mention as developing along the right lines. Both should figure on the U21 panel next year and who knows after that. I'd like to hear how we plan to develop and channel our talented players from underage onto the senior scene under the new management.
Quote from: Chimley on September 30, 2010, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on September 30, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
Kiltane, not one good enough, big enough or even physical enough.
Edit to say, Delighted that Horan got the Job, now we just have to let him get on with it. All I want to see is a Mayo team compete to its potential and where ever that lands us so be it!!
I thought they bred them big and tough out that way?
Story of Mayo as well
Here s a way to keep driving this thread over the 100 page mark lads! From clubs in your area that you know well, what players 19yrs+ are there who have not played senior county but are worth a look. I ll think about it and come back with a couple later. Just to get James started like.
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seriously though i'd only have a fair idea of south mayo so here goes.
Neale - E Hughes
Kilmaine - P Doherty (not sure if he's played before), J Maloney
Shrule - most have already had a shot
Garrymore - C Crowe, D Dolan
Hollymount - C Connolly
Ballinrobe - D Killeen, J O Malley
Davitts - not sure of them (boyle, mcnamara and carey all have played for mayo)
Carramore - not sure about their players also.
Thats an attemp. open to opinions and bein lynched
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There's a gallagher from claremorris, tall midfielder, young lad i'd say, hopefully he'll fill out.
i thought mcnamara would push on from being a good minor
Mayo star hits out at County Board on Twitter
Mayo's Alan Dillon
30 September 2010
Mayo football star Alan Dillon criticised the process to appoint a new manager on Twitter last week, before James Horan pipped Tommy Lyons to the job.
Former All-Star Horan, who has made waves by guiding rank outsiders Ballintubber to the Mayo SFC final this year, was appointed as John O'Mahony's successor on Wednesday night.
Lyons, who has managed Dublin and Offaly in the past, had been regarded as the hot favourite for the job having been the subject of a flood of bets with bookmakers last week.
The process to find a new manager has attracted plenty of criticism in the county, with candidates such as John Maughan, Mick O'Dwyer and Tommy Carr ruling themselves out before interviews took place.
And Dillon, an All-Star in 2006, made his feelings known via popular social media site Twitter by writing, "Hope everyone appreciates how our County Board operates...just listen to Mike Finnerty on Mid West.. Cheap buck to be made and Tommy Lyons is 1/10 on before the interviews are complete.. Nothing amazes me about the whole process.."
Good to know that the captain and the board are going to be on the same wavelength anyway!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on September 30, 2010, 05:33:14 PM
Good to know that the captain and the board are going to be on the same wavelength anyway!
Arent hoganstand gone very tabloid these days. Thats the kind of article you'd expect in the sun or the daily sport
Knockmore - Shane McHale has the possibility to answer some of our full-back problems.
Quote from: Chimley on September 30, 2010, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on September 30, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
Kiltane, not one good enough, big enough or even physical enough.
Edit to say, Delighted that Horan got the Job, now we just have to let him get on with it. All I want to see is a Mayo team compete to its potential and where ever that lands us so be it!!
I thought they bred them big and tough out that way?
Them days are gone unfortunately, it can be traced to the time when Bangor started to supply most of the players to the team.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 30, 2010, 06:49:48 PM
Knockmore - Shane McHale has the possibility to answer some of our full-back problems.
we already have a full back,
ansd he lives in westport for me itll be Horan's 1st test
As Southsider says, Ballinrobe's David Killeen is well worth a go.
He's strong, fast and is rarely bettered by any man. Bring him in!
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 30, 2010, 07:43:15 PM
As Southsider says, Ballinrobe's David Killeen is well worth a go.
He's strong, fast and is rarely bettered by any man. Bring him in!
ya saw kileen in two championship matches against ballagh and knockmore, handled kilcoyne very well - although i think kilcoyne short of match fitness. when i get down there here nothing but good reports. Also hear that o malley would be a good option at corner back. fast and did a great job on andy moran in championship. don't know as much about him though and inter county another level altogether
Club players 19+ worth a look.
Ardnaree - Mick Walsh.
Ballymun Kichams - James Burke.
Bonniconlon - Alan Egan.
Ballina - Nobody not already there.
Knockmore - Shane McHale
Crossmolina - Joe Keane, James Cafferkey.
Killala - Andrew Farrel, Marcus Hannick.
Ardagh - Last time I saw them no.
Lacken - As above.
Ballycastle - As above.
Kilfian - maybe a fit Michael Lynott.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 30, 2010, 05:22:37 PM
Mayo star hits out at County Board on Twitter
Mayo's Alan Dillon
30 September 2010
Mayo football star Alan Dillon criticised the process to appoint a new manager on Twitter last week, before James Horan pipped Tommy Lyons to the job.
Former All-Star Horan, who has made waves by guiding rank outsiders Ballintubber to the Mayo SFC final this year, was appointed as John O'Mahony's successor on Wednesday night.
Lyons, who has managed Dublin and Offaly in the past, had been regarded as the hot favourite for the job having been the subject of a flood of bets with bookmakers last week.
The process to find a new manager has attracted plenty of criticism in the county, with candidates such as John Maughan, Mick O'Dwyer and Tommy Carr ruling themselves out before interviews took place.
And Dillon, an All-Star in 2006, made his feelings known via popular social media site Twitter by writing, "Hope everyone appreciates how our County Board operates...just listen to Mike Finnerty on Mid West.. Cheap buck to be made and Tommy Lyons is 1/10 on before the interviews are complete.. Nothing amazes me about the whole process.."
Unreal!!
Was that you Peter texting in to OfftheBall this evening??!!
Good interview I thought by James Horan....He's really putting the emphasis on getting players in a decent state of mind for matches with good preparation....Ciaran Murphy should be made sing the Green and Red of Mayo some night! :D
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 30, 2010, 09:50:58 AM
Quote from: boosabum on September 30, 2010, 08:46:33 AM
Quote from: Barney on September 30, 2010, 08:21:53 AM
Fantastic news and best of luck to James.
I do not doubt but that the comments by supporters by ourselves on blogs and boards like this did have an influence in persuading the Board that they would not be able to push through Tommy Lyons.
It is still a risk but there is a huge amount of goodwill for James and that is a great starting point. He will be low-key and needs time and space and judgement should only begin after next Summer.
I think people might be claiming too much credit with a statement like that. The CB hardly traweled throught the internet to gauge opinion, there are tons of posts lambasting them for being out of touch with the clubs and supporters, so why start now.
Maybe, just maybe JH was head and shoulders above the others and the choice was straightforward.
Are you joking? Its well known that the GaaBoard and other web pages have been mentioned in county board statements as well in the local newspapers.
What is discussed here is well read and talked about by everyone from former greats in the Red and Green to the county board. Dont cod yourself! ;)
I'll have to hold my hands up here, the indignation expressed by people on here and in particular Iorlar may well have caused some discomfort for the exec members - and put put cynicism to shame,
Quote from: m@yoman on September 30, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 30, 2010, 05:22:37 PM
Mayo star hits out at County Board on Twitter
Mayo's Alan Dillon
30 September 2010
Mayo football star Alan Dillon criticised the process to appoint a new manager on Twitter last week, before James Horan pipped Tommy Lyons to the job.
Former All-Star Horan, who has made waves by guiding rank outsiders Ballintubber to the Mayo SFC final this year, was appointed as John O'Mahony's successor on Wednesday night.
Lyons, who has managed Dublin and Offaly in the past, had been regarded as the hot favourite for the job having been the subject of a flood of bets with bookmakers last week.
The process to find a new manager has attracted plenty of criticism in the county, with candidates such as John Maughan, Mick O'Dwyer and Tommy Carr ruling themselves out before interviews took place.
And Dillon, an All-Star in 2006, made his feelings known via popular social media site Twitter by writing, "Hope everyone appreciates how our County Board operates...just listen to Mike Finnerty on Mid West.. Cheap buck to be made and Tommy Lyons is 1/10 on before the interviews are complete.. Nothing amazes me about the whole process.."
Unreal!!
Was that you Peter texting in to OfftheBall this evening??!!
Good interview I thought by James Horan....He's really putting the emphasis on getting players in a decent state of mind for matches with good preparation....Ciaran Murphy should be made sing the Green and Red of Mayo some night! :D
It was indeed me. They didnt read it all out though. Plus i was hoping they would actually ask James Horan the question.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 03:40:19 AM
Quote from: m@yoman on September 30, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
Was that you Peter texting in to OfftheBall this evening??!!
Good interview I thought by James Horan....He's really putting the emphasis on getting players in a decent state of mind for matches with good preparation....Ciaran Murphy should be made sing the Green and Red of Mayo some night! :D
It was indeed me. They didnt read it all out though. Plus i was hoping they would actually ask James Horan the question.
I heard that too! What was you question Peter? Something about Junior and Intermediate players?
congrats to James on getting the job absolutely delighted will post more later when i get a chance
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 03:40:19 AM
Quote from: m@yoman on September 30, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
Was that you Peter texting in to OfftheBall this evening??!!
Good interview I thought by James Horan....He's really putting the emphasis on getting players in a decent state of mind for matches with good preparation....Ciaran Murphy should be made sing the Green and Red of Mayo some night! :D
It was indeed me. They didnt read it all out though. Plus i was hoping they would actually ask James Horan the question.
I heard that too! What was you question Peter? Something about Junior and Intermediate players?
Here is the link to the NewsTalk interview:
http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/22/thursday/2/popup
Has anyone a link to last nights MisWest show where thay would have played the news conference? I missed that.
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 03:40:19 AM
Quote from: m@yoman on September 30, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
Was that you Peter texting in to OfftheBall this evening??!!
Good interview I thought by James Horan....He's really putting the emphasis on getting players in a decent state of mind for matches with good preparation....Ciaran Murphy should be made sing the Green and Red of Mayo some night! :D
It was indeed me. They didnt read it all out though. Plus i was hoping they would actually ask James Horan the question.
I heard that too! What was you question Peter? Something about Junior and Intermediate players?
Here is the link to the NewsTalk interview:
http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/22/thursday/2/popup
Has anyone a link to last nights MisWest show where thay would have played the news conference? I missed that.
Ger Gilroy had a bit of trouble trying to pronounce Islandeady! :D
Listened to the Mid-West interview as well. Can't find a podcast of it on the midwest website but it was along the same lines as the Newstalk one.
I can't remember which interview was which to be honest, but he was saying that when he was finished with the media interviews on Wed night, he'd be calling each of his backroom team to arrange to meet the next day and make a start on their plans. He also said after the first couple of days when he gets the interviews out of the way, we won't be hearing much out of him again. It'll be down to work.
Plus he does have a county final to plan for :)
Quote from: Tubberman on October 01, 2010, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 03:40:19 AM
Quote from: m@yoman on September 30, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
Was that you Peter texting in to OfftheBall this evening??!!
Good interview I thought by James Horan....He's really putting the emphasis on getting players in a decent state of mind for matches with good preparation....Ciaran Murphy should be made sing the Green and Red of Mayo some night! :D
It was indeed me. They didnt read it all out though. Plus i was hoping they would actually ask James Horan the question.
I heard that too! What was you question Peter? Something about Junior and Intermediate players?
Here is the link to the NewsTalk interview:
http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/22/thursday/2/popup
Has anyone a link to last nights MisWest show where thay would have played the news conference? I missed that.
Ger Gilroy had a bit of trouble trying to pronounce Islandeady! :D
Listened to the Mid-West interview as well. Can't find a podcast of it on the midwest website but it was along the same lines as the Newstalk one.
I can't remember which interview was which to be honest, but he was saying that when he was finished with the media interviews on Wed night, he'd be calling each of his backroom team to arrange to meet the next day and make a start on their plans. He also said after the first couple of days when he gets the interviews out of the way, we won't be hearing much out of him again. It'll be down to work.
Plus he does have a county final to plan for :)
That was funny!
I'm actaully pretty impressed with Horan's backroom team.
Nallen brings alot of credibility and experience to the team of course but the guy I happiest seeing involved is Martin Connelly who has had a fair bit of club management experience with Burrishoole and Westport, not to forget about his own on field playing experiences. Liam Moffatt has a great reputation and I hope he's doing more than just the Dublin based players as that was a failing before with travel.
Of course I'd like to see guys like young Crowe get his chance at some stage, but might be a bit early yet but with Moffat they'll not be lacking direction.
And then there's Horan at the top who's a capable manager, but he's still got enough to do.
I'd be cautiously optimistic. If there is such a thing!
Moysider you have me going now! Some players who could be brought in? Hmmm there are so many with flashes of what it takes, could be worth a look and may fail, but probs worth a shot - at trials at least. A lot of names but, for the purposes of discussion, we'll throw them in for the craic.
I'd be talking about the likes of these guys (not including any of the current panel of thirty, listed at bottom):
West Mayo
Achill: Michael Gallagher
Ballintubber: Cathal Hallinan, Jason Gibbons
Burrishoole: James Moran, Jason Doherty
Breaffy: Alan Durcan, David Gavin, Robert Hennelly
Castlebar: Richard Feeney, Eoin O'Reilly
Parke: Simon Cloherty, Declan Neary
Islandeady: Vinny Feeney, Ollie Feeney, Peter Collins
Westport: Lee Keegan, Kevin Keane
South Mayo (haven't seen too many of these clubs though)
Ballinrobe: David Killeen
Shrule/Glencorrib: Dermot Geraghty, Ronan Walsh
Garrymore: David Dolan
Claremorris: Sean Prendergast
Hollymount: Clifford Connolly
Davitts: Michael Conroy
The Neale: Eoin Hughes
North Mayo
Crossmolina: Brian Benson, Joe Keane (young)
Ardnaree: Michael Walsh, Ronan Doherty
Ballina: Stephen Hughes (small I know)
Knockmore: Shane McHale
Killala: Andrew Farrell
East Mayo
Aghamore: Cathal Freeman (depending on fitness)
Have seen very little here so I won't expand.
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
The Racing Post tipped Horan up a month ago at 12-1.Get in ya good thing!
So its confirmed as Down up first in the league.
Sunday 6 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Down
Sun 20 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Kerry
Sun 27 Feb (2.30): Galway v Mayo
Sun 13 Mar (2.30): Mayo v Armagh
Sunday 20 Mar (2.30): Dublin v Mayo
Sunday 3 Apri (2.30): Mayo v Cork
Sunday 10 April (2.30): Monaghan v Mayo
Four home games for a change.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on October 01, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
So its confirmed as Down up first in the league.
Sunday 6 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Down
Sun 20 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Kerry
Sun 27 Feb (2.30): Galway v Mayo
Sun 13 Mar (2.30): Mayo v Armagh
Sunday 20 Mar (2.30): Dublin v Mayo
Sunday 3 Apri (2.30): Mayo v Cork
Sunday 10 April (2.30): Monaghan v Mayo
Four home games for a change.
I thought there was floodlights in mchale, why are ye not using them, all 2.30 games?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 01, 2010, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on October 01, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
So its confirmed as Down up first in the league.
Sunday 6 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Down
Sun 20 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Kerry
Sun 27 Feb (2.30): Galway v Mayo
Sun 13 Mar (2.30): Mayo v Armagh
Sunday 20 Mar (2.30): Dublin v Mayo
Sunday 3 Apri (2.30): Mayo v Cork
Sunday 10 April (2.30): Monaghan v Mayo
Four home games for a change.
I thought there was floodlights in mchale, why are ye not using them, all 2.30 games?
One or teo issues with the planning permission means we are not allowed to turn them on.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 11:32:17 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 01, 2010, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on October 01, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
So its confirmed as Down up first in the league.
Sunday 6 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Down
Sun 20 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Kerry
Sun 27 Feb (2.30): Galway v Mayo
Sun 13 Mar (2.30): Mayo v Armagh
Sunday 20 Mar (2.30): Dublin v Mayo
Sunday 3 Apri (2.30): Mayo v Cork
Sunday 10 April (2.30): Monaghan v Mayo
Four home games for a change.
I thought there was floodlights in mchale, why are ye not using them, all 2.30 games?
One or teo issues with the planning permission means we are not allowed to turn them on.
Why would ye order, build and install floodlights if your not allowed to use them, surely planning permission would of had to be given before money being spent on them? Mchale park in fairness would look brillant under them..
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
Of that panel, R&GS how many do you expect to survive ??
I think sweeping changes could be made although it could take a season or two for a proper clear out.
At a glance... I reckon up to 8-12 could get the chop or at least will have to fight hard for their survival.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 01, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 11:32:17 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 01, 2010, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on October 01, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
So its confirmed as Down up first in the league.
Sunday 6 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Down
Sun 20 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Kerry
Sun 27 Feb (2.30): Galway v Mayo
Sun 13 Mar (2.30): Mayo v Armagh
Sunday 20 Mar (2.30): Dublin v Mayo
Sunday 3 Apri (2.30): Mayo v Cork
Sunday 10 April (2.30): Monaghan v Mayo
Four home games for a change.
I thought there was floodlights in mchale, why are ye not using them, all 2.30 games?
One or teo issues with the planning permission means we are not allowed to turn them on.
Why would ye order, build and install floodlights if your not allowed to use them, surely planning permission would of had to be given before money being spent on them? Mchale park in fairness would look brillant under them..
It was granted alright but the conditions for planning werent adherred to.
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 11:38:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
Of that panel, R&GS how many do you expect to survive ??
I think sweeping changes could be made although it could take a season or two for a proper clear out.
At a glance... I reckon up to 8-12 could get the chop or at least will have to fight hard for their survival.
Not sure how many will be cut. I'd see some of the fringe players go. Maybe BJP, Peader and Trev had bad seasons this yr by their own standards. Tbh that squad will be the backbone of the new one. Clarke, Caff, Higgins, Vaughan, McLoughlin, Dillon, C Mort, McG, O'Se x2, Freeman will probably be starters or very close again this yr although maybe not in positions they are at present
Quote from: kevmy on October 01, 2010, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 11:38:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
Of that panel, R&GS how many do you expect to survive ??
I think sweeping changes could be made although it could take a season or two for a proper clear out.
At a glance... I reckon up to 8-12 could get the chop or at least will have to fight hard for their survival.
Not sure how many will be cut. I'd see some of the fringe players go. Maybe BJP, Peader and Trev had bad seasons this yr by their own standards. Tbh that squad will be the backbone of the new one. Clarke, Caff, Higgins, Vaughan, McLoughlin, Dillon, C Mort, McG, O'Se x2, Freeman will probably be starters or very close again this yr although maybe not in positions they are at present
Of your list of the backbone of the team kevmy, I think even a couple of those could be in trouble.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 01, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 11:32:17 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 01, 2010, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on October 01, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
So its confirmed as Down up first in the league.
Sunday 6 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Down
Sun 20 Feb (2.30): Mayo v Kerry
Sun 27 Feb (2.30): Galway v Mayo
Sun 13 Mar (2.30): Mayo v Armagh
Sunday 20 Mar (2.30): Dublin v Mayo
Sunday 3 Apri (2.30): Mayo v Cork
Sunday 10 April (2.30): Monaghan v Mayo
Four home games for a change.
I thought there was floodlights in mchale, why are ye not using them, all 2.30 games?
One or teo issues with the planning permission means we are not allowed to turn them on.
Why would ye order, build and install floodlights if your not allowed to use them, surely planning permission would of had to be given before money being spent on them? Mchale park in fairness would look brillant under them..
It was granted alright but the conditions for planning werent adherred to.
I believe the NRA asked for the lights to me moved slightly to prevent or reduce glare on the road. This request was granted and thus the planning conditions were nullified.
That what happens when you try to be helpful.
Anyway, 4 home games and a short trip to galway, another league final looms
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 12:08:59 PM
Quote from: kevmy on October 01, 2010, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 11:38:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
Of that panel, R&GS how many do you expect to survive ??
I think sweeping changes could be made although it could take a season or two for a proper clear out.
At a glance... I reckon up to 8-12 could get the chop or at least will have to fight hard for their survival.
Not sure how many will be cut. I'd see some of the fringe players go. Maybe BJP, Peader and Trev had bad seasons this yr by their own standards. Tbh that squad will be the backbone of the new one. Clarke, Caff, Higgins, Vaughan, McLoughlin, Dillon, C Mort, McG, O'Se x2, Freeman will probably be starters or very close again this yr although maybe not in positions they are at present
Of your list of the backbone of the team kevmy, I think even a couple of those could be in trouble.
Which of the ones named would you expect to see dropped from the panel, out of interest?
I agree not all of them might not start especially if some of the guys currently outside the panel come in and do very well.
Quote from: kevmy on October 01, 2010, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 12:08:59 PM
Quote from: kevmy on October 01, 2010, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 11:38:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
Of that panel, R&GS how many do you expect to survive ??
I think sweeping changes could be made although it could take a season or two for a proper clear out.
At a glance... I reckon up to 8-12 could get the chop or at least will have to fight hard for their survival.
Not sure how many will be cut. I'd see some of the fringe players go. Maybe BJP, Peader and Trev had bad seasons this yr by their own standards. Tbh that squad will be the backbone of the new one. Clarke, Caff, Higgins, Vaughan, McLoughlin, Dillon, C Mort, McG, O'Se x2, Freeman will probably be starters or very close again this yr although maybe not in positions they are at present
Of your list of the backbone of the team kevmy, I think even a couple of those could be in trouble.
Which of the ones named would you expect to see dropped from the panel, out of interest?
I agree not all of them might not start especially if some of the guys currently outside the panel come in and do very well.
Its hard to know as we are just speculating and its probably not right to name names.
But I do reckon that most players will have to prove themselves.
Quote from: southsider on September 30, 2010, 09:28:10 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 30, 2010, 07:43:15 PM
As Southsider says, Ballinrobe's David Killeen is well worth a go.
He's strong, fast and is rarely bettered by any man. Bring him in!
ya saw kileen in two championship matches against ballagh and knockmore, handled kilcoyne very well - although i think kilcoyne short of match fitness. when i get down there here nothing but good reports. Also hear that o malley would be a good option at corner back. fast and did a great job on andy moran in championship. don't know as much about him though and inter county another level altogether
All: do you think there will be open trials or what the likely selection scenario will be
think Mayo have done well to appoint Horan and his backroom team. No doubt that Mayo have a lot of very good players. Horan could be the man along with Nallen with modern football knoweldge to bring them on.
I'm happy for all the good decent GAA Mayo folk and wish them well (though there is one shower of scumbags that I still despise in the county but every place has a set !)
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Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
Of that panel, R&GS how many do you expect to survive ??
I think sweeping changes could be made although it could take a season or two for a proper clear out.
At a glance... I reckon up to 8-12 could get the chop or at least will have to fight hard for their survival.
Not sure how many will be cut. I'd see some of the fringe players go. Maybe BJP, Peader and Trev had bad seasons this yr by their own standards. Tbh that squad will be the backbone of the new one. Clarke, Caff, Higgins, Vaughan, McLoughlin, Dillon, C Mort, McG, O'Se x2, Freeman will probably be starters or very close again this yr although maybe not in positions they are at present
Of your list of the backbone of the team kevmy, I think even a couple of those could be in trouble.
Which of the ones named would you expect to see dropped from the panel, out of interest?
I agree not all of them might not start especially if some of the guys currently outside the panel come in and do very well.
Its hard to know as we are just speculating and its probably not right to name names.
But I do reckon that most players will have to prove themselves.
Fair enough although I think people who expect a massive clearout of players and a massive influx of fantastic lads from intermediate and junior clubs may be codding themselves. Undoubtedly there will be some change and players will come onto, and off, the panel for various reasons.
But the cold hard truth is that most of the better players in the county are on the panel. I'm guessing there are some fellas out there who didn't get a fair run at inter county in the past and I'm positive we have a lot of young lads in the 18 - 23 bracket who for one reason or another haven't shown their full potential yet. However imo if we are lucky if 2 or 3 good intercounty players are 'discovered', the rest will have to be reinvented or rediscover the form that got them onto the panel in the first place.
Trials are a good idea but completely open trials are unlikely. I'm not sure what the process would be, but even in the trial games a good standard of football would be needed to ensure the cream comes to the top.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 01, 2010, 03:56:47 PM
think Mayo have done well to appoint Horan and his backroom team. No doubt that Mayo have a lot of very good players. Horan could be the man along with Nallen with modern football knoweldge to bring them on.
I'm happy for all the good decent GAA Mayo folk and wish them well (though there is one shower of scumbags that I still despise in the county but every place has a set !)
Thanks for the good wishes, lynchbhoy; I imagine all Mayo lads on here will appreciate them but you have intrigued me by your last statement.
well (though there is
one shower of scumbags that I
still despise in the county but every place has a set !)
It appears that you are referring to a particular incident where a number of Mayo fans did something to upset you.
Care to elaborate?
Kevin McStays comments about the appointment are very interesting he says
"Over the weekend I think there developed a sense here that the county didn't want to be dictated to by the Dublin media, who rightly or wrongly were perceived to be declaring Tommy the new manager. I think he had a great chance of winning but James was seen as more local even though Tommy has very strong roots and connections in the county."
Was it the Dublin media dictating Tommy Lyons? i certainly didnt think that.
Quote from: kevmy on October 01, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
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Quote from: kevmy on October 01, 2010, 01:54:29 PM
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Quote from: AbbeySider on October 01, 2010, 11:38:06 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
Of that panel, R&GS how many do you expect to survive ??
I think sweeping changes could be made although it could take a season or two for a proper clear out.
At a glance... I reckon up to 8-12 could get the chop or at least will have to fight hard for their survival.
Not sure how many will be cut. I'd see some of the fringe players go. Maybe BJP, Peader and Trev had bad seasons this yr by their own standards. Tbh that squad will be the backbone of the new one. Clarke, Caff, Higgins, Vaughan, McLoughlin, Dillon, C Mort, McG, O'Se x2, Freeman will probably be starters or very close again this yr although maybe not in positions they are at present
Of your list of the backbone of the team kevmy, I think even a couple of those could be in trouble.
Which of the ones named would you expect to see dropped from the panel, out of interest?
I agree not all of them might not start especially if some of the guys currently outside the panel come in and do very well.
Its hard to know as we are just speculating and its probably not right to name names.
But I do reckon that most players will have to prove themselves.
Fair enough although I think people who expect a massive clearout of players and a massive influx of fantastic lads from intermediate and junior clubs may be codding themselves. Undoubtedly there will be some change and players will come onto, and off, the panel for various reasons.
But the cold hard truth is that most of the better players in the county are on the panel. I'm guessing there are some fellas out there who didn't get a fair run at inter county in the past and I'm positive we have a lot of young lads in the 18 - 23 bracket who for one reason or another haven't shown their full potential yet. However imo if we are lucky if 2 or 3 good intercounty players are 'discovered', the rest will have to be reinvented or rediscover the form that got them onto the panel in the first place.
Trials are a good idea but completely open trials are unlikely. I'm not sure what the process would be, but even in the trial games a good standard of football would be needed to ensure the cream comes to the top.
I agree. Even the brief sweep of the clubs we've done so far kinda shows that there are not many unknowns out there. Yet there is no doubt there will be changes even though I would not like to start drawing lines through names on last years panel. I expect that some that looked shot last year may well experience a renaissance next year. Last year wasn't all bad. The new management have a division 1 team after all. Another positive was the form of players that came into the team. McLoughlin, Barrett, Freeman and Seamus O Sé had decent years. Why was that I wonder? Was it their enthusiasm? Were the established just disillusioned knowing they were on a hiding to nothing? Does the likes of Trevor and McGarrity have it in them to rediscover their best form?
As well as maybe getting a player or two from outside last years panel I wouldn't be surprised if some of the younger players come through sooner than later. O Connor and Kirby and maybe Mick Walsh and Cathal Freeman if fit again.
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
Kevin McStays comments about the appointment are very interesting he says
"Over the weekend I think there developed a sense here that the county didn't want to be dictated to by the Dublin media, who rightly or wrongly were perceived to be declaring Tommy the new manager. I think he had a great chance of winning but James was seen as more local even though Tommy has very strong roots and connections in the county."
Was it the Dublin media dictating Tommy Lyons? i certainly didnt think that.
Me neither. Where did he mean by
here I wonder? I certainly wasn't aware of or concerned by a Dublin media angle.Di d the national papers even pay it any heed?
He seems disappointed Tommy didn't get it?
Quote from: moysider on October 01, 2010, 11:08:07 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 01, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
Kevin McStays comments about the appointment are very interesting he says
"Over the weekend I think there developed a sense here that the county didn't want to be dictated to by the Dublin media, who rightly or wrongly were perceived to be declaring Tommy the new manager. I think he had a great chance of winning but James was seen as more local even though Tommy has very strong roots and connections in the county."
Was it the Dublin media dictating Tommy Lyons? i certainly didnt think that.
Me neither. Where did he mean by here I wonder? I certainly wasn't aware of or concerned by a Dublin media angle.Di d the national papers even pay it any heed?
He seems disappointed Tommy didn't get it?
He was very happy about James Horan getting it. He does after all work with Tommy in RTE so the praise for James for a bit surprising
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/1001/1224280080241.html
Yeah, the whole article a better indication of McStay s view of things but I get the feeling he was winging it a bit. No harm. He was probably put on the spot. I would disagree with him about Maughan dropping out being decisive. He dropped out because he knew it was over for him. Not alone was the interview committee ill-disposed towards Maughan he had very few supporters at all, and hardly any in the ex. Those that did support him initially seemed to do so as a foil to the Micko faction. Once Micko dropped out Maughan wasn't needed any more.
Rightly or wrongly there was definitely an opinion out there that the national media were pushing Lyons in a kind of 'wasn't good enough for Dublin but he'd do for a backwater like Mayo' kind of way. They knew about the Dublin money being put up to fund a manager and were maybe inclined to support Lyons because of his media background and the Dublin links.
The only thing I particularly noticed was that the Indo led with the story on Thursday's back page after the announcement Wednesday night but the headline was 'Mayo No to Lyons' with a picture of Lyons but no mention of Horan in the headline and no photo of him. So either they were so sure Lyons was going to get it they had the space left vacant with a picture of Lyons ready to go or else they thought that Lyons not getting it was a bigger story than Horan being chosen. Either way i thought it was a bit strange.
My guess on McStay is that he's running with hare and hounds. Keeping a paw in every camp. Wouldn't worry about it any more than that. Knows damn well Tommy wasn't a Dublin media candidate. It's all just soft chat.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on October 01, 2010, 11:52:30 PM
Rightly or wrongly there was definitely an opinion out there that the national media were pushing Lyons in a kind of 'wasn't good enough for Dublin but he'd do for a backwater like Mayo' kind of way. They knew about the Dublin money being put up to fund a manager and were maybe inclined to support Lyons because of his media background and the Dublin links.
The only thing I particularly noticed was that the Indo led with the story on Thursday's back page after the announcement Wednesday night but the headline was 'Mayo No to Lyons' with a picture of Lyons but no mention of Horan in the headline and no photo of him. So either they were so sure Lyons was going to get it they had the space left vacant with a picture of Lyons ready to go or else they thought that Lyons not getting it was a bigger story than Horan being chosen. Either way i thought it was a bit strange.
Nailed it Kosmo. f**k it that was probably it. He wont do for Dublin but who do Mayo think they are if they don't appoint him. And I remember looking at it but didn't take it that bit further. I stopped paying my subscription for the rag and now I know why. You re spot on. The story was Lyons not getting the job rather than..... Thank God we didn't go down the Lyons road. I'm sure he s a lovely man but what an agenda he would have brought along through no fault of his own. We dodged a bullet there. This is getting better and better. I m finally feeling good about us again.
fck the Indo the pricks.
Quote from: kevmy on October 01, 2010, 01:54:29 PM
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Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 01, 2010, 10:43:01 AM
Mayo panel 2010
Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Ronan McGarrity, David Clarke, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Peadar Gardiner, Pat Harte, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Kieran Conroy, Keith Higgins, Trevor Howley, Aidan Kilcoyne, Kevin McLoughlin, Conor Mortimer, Trevor Mortimer, Kenneth O'Malley, Liam O'Malley, Billy Joe Padden, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mark Ronaldson, Donal Vaughan, Andy Moran, Neil Douglas, Alan Freeman, Alan Feeney, Enda Varley, Shane Nally.
Of that panel, R&GS how many do you expect to survive ??
I think sweeping changes could be made although it could take a season or two for a proper clear out.
At a glance... I reckon up to 8-12 could get the chop or at least will have to fight hard for their survival.
Not sure how many will be cut. I'd see some of the fringe players go. Maybe BJP, Peader and Trev had bad seasons this yr by their own standards. Tbh that squad will be the backbone of the new one. Clarke, Caff, Higgins, Vaughan, McLoughlin, Dillon, C Mort, McG, O'Se x2, Freeman will probably be starters or very close again this yr although maybe not in positions they are at present
Of your list of the backbone of the team kevmy, I think even a couple of those could be in trouble.
Which of the ones named would you expect to see dropped from the panel, out of interest?
I agree not all of them might not start especially if some of the guys currently outside the panel come in and do very well.
Drop, Mc Garraty / Parsons/ trevor/ billy joe/// and use conor a sub for starters..
Quote from: moysider on October 02, 2010, 12:24:03 AM
Nailed it Kosmo. f**k it that was probably it. He wont do for Dublin but who do Mayo think they are if they don't appoint him. And I remember looking at it but didn't take it that bit further. I stopped paying my subscription for the rag and now I know why. You re spot on. The story was Lyons not getting the job rather than..... Thank God we didn't go down the Lyons road. I'm sure he s a lovely man but what an agenda he would have brought along through no fault of his own. We dodged a bullet there. This is getting better and better. I m finally feeling good about us again.
I'd also go along with Cosmo. The Indo was playing it with a view to selling papers and Tommy certainly had a higher nationwide profile than James. If they had headlined Horan's appointment, the likely reaction from most readers from outside Mayo would have been, "James who..."
I was never too bothered by the hype as the process meandered along to its final conclusion; the media were out to sell papers or boost listenership figures or whatever. Mayo people wanted a manager and the Indo and the likes wanted to make money out of the proceedings. That's understandable enough, I suppose.
Did anyone take note as the saga unfolded that no canvassing of grass roots feelings was carried out by any of those who kept coming out with the banner headlines?
All those with a say in the appointment are old enough to remember James in his prime and have a great grá for him as a result. He's proved to be a shrewd pundit with an exceptionally analytical brain and the fact that Ballintubber has made it to the county final couldn't have come at a more opportune time.
As you say, Tommy would have brought some agenda with him; Likewise with Micko and Sir John also if he had got a third bite at the cherry.
The fact that James was the unanimous choice of the selection committee, the CB and the club delegates would indicate to me that he was perceived to be the candidate best equipped to do the job.
Unlike McStay, I don't think that an anti- Dublin or anti anything bias cold have been a factor in the way James came out on top.
Justice was done and was seen to be done.
That interview was in the Times boys, not the Indo. There's a difference.
Andy Moran. Conor and Trevor Mortimor, McGarrity, Clarke, Liam O Malley, Gardiner, Dillon, and BJP were on the 2004 panel/team that got whitwashed by Kerry, they were around again in 2006 along with Keith Higgins, Barry Moran, Pat Harte, and Howley. Throw in the league final loss to Donegal in 2007 and the pasting to Cork recently and tell me how many more chances does that particular group desreve.
Patently most of them are scarred from defeats such as the above listed along with various Minor and U21 losses as well. My hope is that Horan will remove most of them from the panel and do it quickly. My personal preference for the lads to say would be Barry Moran, Clarke, Howley (corner back), and thats it. The rest wont get better but they will stop other lads coming through. I would like to see Michael Conroy get a proper run along with Jason Gibbons.
Time for the boots to do the talking and not the T shirts.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 02, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
Andy Moran. Conor and Trevor Mortimor, McGarrity, Clarke, Liam O Malley, Gardiner, Dillon, and BJP were on the 2004 panel/team that got whitwashed by Kerry, they were around again in 2006 along with Keith Higgins, Barry Moran, Pat Harte, and Howley. Throw in the league final loss to Donegal in 2007 and the pasting to Cork recently and tell me how many more chances does that particular group desreve.
Patently most of them are scarred from defeats such as the above listed along with various Minor and U21 losses as well. My hope is that Horan will remove most of them from the panel and do it quickly. My personal preference for the lads to say would be Barry Moran, Clarke, Howley (corner back), and thats it. The rest wont get better but they will stop other lads coming through. I would like to see Michael Conroy get a proper run along with Jason Gibbons.
Time for the boots to do the talking and not the T shirts.
a bit drastic there Southside
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 02, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
Andy Moran. Conor and Trevor Mortimor, McGarrity, Clarke, Liam O Malley, Gardiner, Dillon, and BJP were on the 2004 panel/team that got whitwashed by Kerry, they were around again in 2006 along with Keith Higgins, Barry Moran, Pat Harte, and Howley. Throw in the league final loss to Donegal in 2007 and the pasting to Cork recently and tell me how many more chances does that particular group desreve.
Patently most of them are scarred from defeats such as the above listed along with various Minor and U21 losses as well. My hope is that Horan will remove most of them from the panel and do it quickly. My personal preference for the lads to say would be Barry Moran, Clarke, Howley (corner back), and thats it. The rest wont get better but they will stop other lads coming through. I would like to see Michael Conroy get a proper run along with Jason Gibbons.
Time for the boots to do the talking and not the T shirts.
I think that Cork 2010 AI champs should prove to you that you should persist if players are good enough and those youmentioned mostly are !
imo
Hi Deel Rover, not really. We need to look to the future, many of those lads were tried and not up to the big day. We need leaders and "bullies" of a footballing type. The present crop lack that. Time is the one comodity that James Horan has for a while.
We look to Aiden O Shea. This will be his third senior campaign. He needs a bit of muscle and leadership around him. Young Aiden Walsh of Cork is only 19 and he has his All-Ireland medal. Age should not be the sole criteria. In truth I know what most of the current Mayo panel will do, we have seen them long enough to make up our minds. I also know what they cannot do. Time for change and cut our losses.
Your team weren't good enough though that is not to say that some individuals on it weren't good enough.
Keith Higgins and Alan Dillon are excellent players. Higgins needed to stem the tide in the big games and Dillon wouldn't have been getting supply. There are a few boys in there perhaps not cutting it but some of them are.
. there is an old sayin about journalism not knowing the difference betweern a bicycle crash and an earthquake
and that is certainly true of a lot of mayo fans .
when listing player to be written off the reason given was losses in an all Ireland final against the team of the decade not losing to rubbish like longford and sligo when in a well regulated championship Mayo should not even have to play. being DIV 3 and 4 teams.
in football terms thats a disaster, losing finals is just a disappointing end to a great year
As a Rossie looking in at this thread, it has made fascinating reading as every candidate was analysed and discussed.
Mayo have now got their man, and there seems to be unanimous welcome on this thread for James Horan.
But, let's change the focus a little bit, and focus on the player's at his disposal. How do ye Mayo lads feel about the likely panel of players that will be available?
I was talking to a Mayo supporter in Ballaghaderreen yesterday, and whilst he welcomed Horan's appointment, he reckons that he will have his work cut out for him because he reckons that '''Mayo's squad of the last 12 months is the worst they've had in 15 years'''.
I should mention that this man never misses a Mayo game. He reckons that many of them are past it, and said that a lot of the younger players still have it all to prove, and he was quite pessimistic about the 'undiscovered' talent in Mayo.
Would his views be shared by many people in Mayo football?
Quote from: Shrewdness on October 02, 2010, 07:05:11 PM
As a Rossie looking in at this thread, it has made fascinating reading as every candidate was analysed and discussed.
Mayo have now got their man, and there seems to be unanimous welcome on this thread for James Horan.
But, let's change the focus a little bit, and focus on the player's at his disposal. How do ye Mayo lads feel about the likely panel of players that will be available?
I was talking to a Mayo supporter in Ballaghaderreen yesterday, and whilst he welcomed Horan's appointment, he reckons that he will have his work cut out for him because he reckons that '''Mayo's squad of the last 12 months is the worst they've had in 15 years'''.
I should mention that this man never misses a Mayo game. He reckons that many of them are past it, and said that a lot of the younger players still have it all to prove, and he was quite pessimistic about the 'undiscovered' talent in Mayo.
Would his views be shared by many people in Mayo football?
In my time on this Board I've seen diametrically opposed views for every single Mayo player bar Keith Higgins. Most people seem to respect Higgins. But for every person who thinks Ciarán McDonald was God's gift to football you'll find someone else to say he was a bum and a punk. Same for them all.
So I'd say that your friend's view is widely shared in Mayo. And if he said that Mayo could surprise a lot of people next September you'd find a lot of people who think that too. That's who we are.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 02, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
Andy Moran. Conor and Trevor Mortimor, McGarrity, Clarke, Liam O Malley, Gardiner, Dillon, and BJP were on the 2004 panel/team that got whitwashed by Kerry, they were around again in 2006 along with Keith Higgins, Barry Moran, Pat Harte, and Howley. Throw in the league final loss to Donegal in 2007 and the pasting to Cork recently and tell me how many more chances does that particular group desreve.
Patently most of them are scarred from defeats such as the above listed along with various Minor and U21 losses as well. My hope is that Horan will remove most of them from the panel and do it quickly. My personal preference for the lads to say would be Barry Moran, Clarke, Howley (corner back), and thats it. The rest wont get better but they will stop other lads coming through. I would like to see Michael Conroy get a proper run along with Jason Gibbons.
Time for the boots to do the talking and not the T shirts.
Its very hard to argue with you johnny. I even went as far as to say the panel should have been disolved after the exit from the championship just to draw a line under the last 4 years.
I expect changes but some of those players may yet have a role to play. In the past no. of years the team was badly prepared, selected and set up. There was no evidence of coaching, no shape and tactically we were clueless. In other words we were a rabble. Under new management that know their game a lot of those players may well have a lot too offer still. We ll see. However I would suspect that anybody that doesn't have the stomach for it will be left behind with little fuss.
I hopes he brings his own panel to the NY game if he is let. I suppose he can't play lads in this that lined out for the colleges in the competition earlier? What line up would ye like to see?
Quote from: Shrewdness on October 02, 2010, 07:05:11 PM
As a Rossie looking in at this thread, it has made fascinating reading as every candidate was analysed and discussed.
Mayo have now got their man, and there seems to be unanimous welcome on this thread for James Horan.
But, let's change the focus a little bit, and focus on the player's at his disposal. How do ye Mayo lads feel about the likely panel of players that will be available?
I was talking to a Mayo supporter in Ballaghaderreen yesterday, and whilst he welcomed Horan's appointment, he reckons that he will have his work cut out for him because he reckons that '''Mayo's squad of the last 12 months is the worst they've had in 15 years'''.
I should mention that this man never misses a Mayo game. He reckons that many of them are past it, and said that a lot of the younger players still have it all to prove, and he was quite pessimistic about the 'undiscovered' talent in Mayo.
Would his views be shared by many people in Mayo football?
Well, not by me anyway.
As I see it, we'll need to wait and give the new man a chance to assess things before we have an inkling of the true situation. You friend is right that last year's squad was the worst we had in the last 15 years. You could add in the 15 before that also!
But the last 4 years marked the most bizarre period in Mayo football that I've ever seen and I've been following Mayo football for more than 50 years.
This particular season was without doubt the worst of the 4 under O'Mahony's managership. However, I think the players can't be held totally responsible for what happened and none of them played to his full potential.
It's pointless raking over old ground here so it's best to concentrate on the future and what it may hold.
I wouldn't write off any of the lads who played under John O'Mahony. This year, like the three that went before, was an aberration. All of them underperformed.
I guess there are some who may call it a day and others who might lose their places to newcomers but I would expect to see the majority of them being in contention for places when James gets his show up and running.
Mayo (2010 FBD League panel):
David Clarke (Ballina), Robert Hennelly (Breaffy), Liam O Malley (Burrishoole), Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis), Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe), Peadar Gardiner (Crossmolina), Trevor Howley (Knockmore), Chris Barrett (Belmullet), Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen), Alan Feeney (Castlebar), Shane Nally (Garrymore), Lee Keegan (Westport), Kevin Keane (Westport), Ronan McGarrity (Ballina), Tom Parsons (Charlestown), Barry Kelly (Ballaghaderreen), Pat Harte (Ballina), Trevor Mortimer (Shrule/Glencorrib), Mark Ronaldson (Shrule/Glencorrib), Mikey Sweeney (Kiltane), Aidan O Shea (Breaffy), Neil Douglas (Castlebar), Ger McDonagh (Castlebar), Barry Moran (Castlebar), Jimmy Killeen (Garrymore), Kevin Walsh (Shrule/Glencorrib, Enda Varley (Garrymore),
To southsidejohny, moysider, and the Mayoman who was good enough to pass the time of day with a RossIe in Ballaghderrin... I ask you, should James McCartan have dropped Danny Hughes, Benny Coulter, john Clarke, Ronan Murtagh, etc. ? After all, they won nothing since their 1999 Minor All-Ireland! And even older players like Dan Gordan and Brendan McVeigh, should they have been dropped? Your argument appears to say that he should because he took over a team that had lost to Fermanagh (think Sligo) in provincial championship and then lost to division 4 team in qualifiers! ??? He had at his disposal a team that only lost the U21 All-Ireland final to Cork with last kick me the game, so should he have used them and discarded the experienced players who had 'failed' ???
I think you guys should calm down a tad. James Horan, I am sure will take the same sensible approach as McCartan did. And soon Mayo will be in contention for Sam Magauire again.
Quote from: moysider on October 02, 2010, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 02, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
Andy Moran. Conor and Trevor Mortimor, McGarrity, Clarke, Liam O Malley, Gardiner, Dillon, and BJP were on the 2004 panel/team that got whitwashed by Kerry, they were around again in 2006 along with Keith Higgins, Barry Moran, Pat Harte, and Howley. Throw in the league final loss to Donegal in 2007 and the pasting to Cork recently and tell me how many more chances does that particular group desreve.
Patently most of them are scarred from defeats such as the above listed along with various Minor and U21 losses as well. My hope is that Horan will remove most of them from the panel and do it quickly. My personal preference for the lads to say would be Barry Moran, Clarke, Howley (corner back), and thats it. The rest wont get better but they will stop other lads coming through. I would like to see Michael Conroy get a proper run along with Jason Gibbons.
Time for the boots to do the talking and not the T shirts.
Its very hard to argue with you johnny. I even went as far as to say the panel should have been disolved after the exit from the championship just to draw a line under the last 4 years.
I expect changes but some of those players may yet have a role to play. In the past no. of years the team was badly prepared, selected and set up. There was no evidence of coaching, no shape and tactically we were clueless. In other words we were a rabble. Under new management that know their game a lot of those players may well have a lot too offer still. We ll see. However I would suspect that anybody that doesn't have the stomach for it will be left behind with little fuss.
I hopes he brings his own panel to the NY game if he is let. I suppose he can't play lads in this that lined out for the colleges in the competition earlier? What line up would ye like to see?
I'm open to correction here but I think he has to bring the panel who were named for the FBD League campaign this year...he cannot bring new names in for this "trip"???
Quote from: m@yoman on October 03, 2010, 10:21:17 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 02, 2010, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 02, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
Andy Moran. Conor and Trevor Mortimor, McGarrity, Clarke, Liam O Malley, Gardiner, Dillon, and BJP were on the 2004 panel/team that got whitwashed by Kerry, they were around again in 2006 along with Keith Higgins, Barry Moran, Pat Harte, and Howley. Throw in the league final loss to Donegal in 2007 and the pasting to Cork recently and tell me how many more chances does that particular group desreve.
Patently most of them are scarred from defeats such as the above listed along with various Minor and U21 losses as well. My hope is that Horan will remove most of them from the panel and do it quickly. My personal preference for the lads to say would be Barry Moran, Clarke, Howley (corner back), and thats it. The rest wont get better but they will stop other lads coming through. I would like to see Michael Conroy get a proper run along with Jason Gibbons.
Time for the boots to do the talking and not the T shirts.
Its very hard to argue with you johnny. I even went as far as to say the panel should have been disolved after the exit from the championship just to draw a line under the last 4 years.
I expect changes but some of those players may yet have a role to play. In the past no. of years the team was badly prepared, selected and set up. There was no evidence of coaching, no shape and tactically we were clueless. In other words we were a rabble. Under new management that know their game a lot of those players may well have a lot too offer still. We ll see. However I would suspect that anybody that doesn't have the stomach for it will be left behind with little fuss.
I hopes he brings his own panel to the NY game if he is let. I suppose he can't play lads in this that lined out for the colleges in the competition earlier? What line up would ye like to see?
I'm open to correction here but I think he has to bring the panel who were named for the FBD League campaign this year...he cannot bring new names in for this "trip"???
It used to be that way, not sure if it still is. I hope it is, there is something to be said for giving lads a trip as a thank you for putting in some effort in the early part of the season knowing full well they won't be next or near the panel when the students are allowed back to play
Pretty sure the lads who played or were part of the FBD panel are those who are going to NY and they've their bags packed etc. Realistically anyway Horan couldn't turn around and pick his own panel to go at this late stage because most of them (if they are not already going) wouldn't be able to get off work etc. There are enough players there who will make up a sizeable amount of the panel for 2011 to make the trip productive for the future.
Quote from: western exile on October 03, 2010, 09:04:39 AM
To southsidejohny, moysider, and the Mayoman who was good enough to pass the time of day with a RossIe in Ballaghderrin... I ask you, should James McCartan have dropped Danny Hughes, Benny Coulter, john Clarke, Ronan Murtagh, etc. ? After all, they won nothing since their 1999 Minor All-Ireland! And even older players like Dan Gordan and Brendan McVeigh, should they have been dropped? Your argument appears to say that he should because he took over a team that had lost to Fermanagh (think Sligo) in provincial championship and then lost to division 4 team in qualifiers! ??? He had at his disposal a team that only lost the U21 All-Ireland final to Cork with last kick me the game, so should he have used them and discarded the experienced players who had 'failed' ???
I think you guys should calm down a tad. James Horan, I am sure will take the same sensible approach as McCartan did. And soon Mayo will be in contention for Sam Magauire again.
Don't know why you mention me in the above. While I expect changes I ve said a lot of last years guys will be still there and some might get a new lease of life. The Down analogy is a sound one apart from maybe John Clarke. But it has to be said too that some players did not survive the Ross Carr times. I m sure everybody will get a fair crack anyway if they still want to play for Mayo - rather than just appear for Mayo. But some from last year will have to up their game. Bad and all as the set up was some let themselves down.
Will the GAA regulations on winter training have an impact on proposed trial games to determine next years senior panel
Not unless Mayo are the only team in Ireland that gives a damn about that ridiculous rule.
From the HoganShhhtand...
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Horan won't travel to Big Apple
James Horan will not be travelling with his new Mayo charges to New York for this weekend's FBD League final in Rockland.
Horan, who was only named as John O'Mahony's successor last week, won't be part of the travelling party which flies out on Thursday. Mayo defeated Galway in the home final back in February and will face the Exiles at Rockland's new playing facilities at 4pm local time (9pm Irish) on Sunday.
Interestingly, Joe Kernan took charge of Galway in the corresponding fixture last year, despite being only in the job a matter of weeks at the time.
This decision doesn't surprise me at all, as I didnt expect him to travel. Its a good move IMO.
I wonder will John O'Mahoney go on this trip? It would be a great junket to finish off his tenure with Mayo. Most of the players who are going were dropped throughout the summer, so it could be a bit awkward for him. If he doesnt go, who will be calling the shots from the line.... Gallagher? Tommy Lyons (The Ballina version)? Martin Carney? And if they dont go who will do the shouting? It could be left to the board officers to the honours in the dressing-room.......
Can anyone post up the Mayo Panel for the FB final....
Quote from: highking on October 05, 2010, 06:36:05 PM
I wonder will John O'Mahoney go on this trip? It would be a great junket to finish off his tenure with Mayo. Most of the players who are going were dropped throughout the summer, so it could be a bit awkward for him. If he doesnt go, who will be calling the shots from the line.... Gallagher? Tommy Lyons (The Ballina version)? Martin Carney? And if they dont go who will do the shouting? It could be left to the board officers to the honours in the dressing-room.......
Can anyone post up the Mayo Panel for the FB final....
Board officers calling the shots on how the team is made up and play, surely not in Mayo. Nobody on the board would have such delusions of grandure!!
I presume this is due to his Ballintubber commitments, I suppose there's not much point in him travelling if he's restricted to the previous 2010 FBD squad, although it could have served as a trial game for some of the fringe players in that squad.
Will be interesting to see who trains them (if there's any training done on the trip) and who picks the team.
Possibly a chance of a first NY FBD win here perhaps, they were useful against the full Galway squad earlier in the year, they might take out a disintersted Mayo 15 missing a few of the better players?
Surely if Horan unavailable with co final Nallen, Martin Connolly and co should be involved. Horan emphasised the management team aspect of his appointment in interviews.
Relax about the FBD final boys. It's just a piss-up in New York. The real action will be at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 52nd Street more so than Celtic Park. Matter a damn who's on the sideline. Means less than a training session.
Quote from: spuds on October 05, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
Surely if Horan unavailable with co final Nallen, Martin Connolly and co should be involved. Horan emphasised the management team aspect of his appointment in interviews.
I would half expect the reason Horan is not going is work related. He can't just up and go. He didn't know he would be in this position and sorted things at work. I doubt Connolly or Nallen could either just head off just like that.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2010, 11:48:50 PM
Relax about the FBD final boys. It's just a piss-up in New York. The real action will be at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 52nd Street more so than Celtic Park. Matter a damn who's on the sideline. Means less than a training session.
Maybe so Iolar, but I know a lad will have to go through a bit of shite at work to travel. The FBD which?? Maybe even have to pay for somebody to do his job while he is away. He has to go if he wants to stay onside. Yet the county management isn't even around. They probably can't get off work either. It s a joke. A waste of money. Not like FBD are paying for the show. The trip costs at least 25K for the board. We re not that flush anymore. The fact that the new management cannot be involved makes the whole expedition a non event.
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2010, 11:48:50 PM
Relax about the FBD final boys. It's just a piss-up in New York. The real action will be at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 52nd Street more so than Celtic Park. Matter a damn who's on the sideline. Means less than a training session.
Maybe so Iolar, but I know a lad will have to go through a bit of shite at work to travel. The FBD which?? Maybe even have to pay for somebody to do his job while he is away. He has to go if he wants to stay onside. Yet the county management isn't even around. They probably can't get off work either. It s a joke. A waste of money. Not like FBD are paying for the show. The trip costs at least 25K for the board. We re not that flush anymore. The fact that the new management cannot be involved makes the whole expedition a non event
There might be a lot of assumptions in the last few posts as its speculation as to why he is not going. I dont know for sure why, but I know its a good move that he is not going. Since he is not going, id be surprised if any of the new management team will be involved, but again I cant be sure.
I do think it shows he is not jumping on a bandwagon and free loading for the sake of it in the Big Apple with a group of players, some of whom he is likely not to be working with in the future. As well as that, I think that he didnt manage that team to the FBD final so I guess there is no point jumping on board now and throwing the media a bone and showing his hand as to what his team may have been.
If he did go he would be associated with that group of players as a starting point instead of naming his own panel after making his own decision on it as well as looking at guys in trials
And it also proves and is an indication of his focus on his job at hand, trying to win a county senior final with Ballintubber. I think I read in the Mayo news that he is yet to sit down with his management team to formalise a plan for Mayo so there is no need for panic.
One final thing, the FBD final means diddly squat
Have to compliment Horanon his first good decision. Whats going to New York are not his squad. He will be in a clear position to put his own squad together when the dust settles after its all over. FBD is just a holiday. Many of those travelling will be for their swan song in a mayo jersey. That has to be good.
Kevin McStays article from the Mayo news on the appointment.
Kevin McStay. Tuesday 4th October
ONCE more on the merry-go-round. Firstly, congratulations to James Horan. I'm not at all surprised that he is the new Mayo manager. I had a sense all along that he would impress the selection committee because he's a very bright, articulate, straight-talking guy. He also held his counsel over the last few weeks, got a good backroom team together, and did a really good interview.
He should be commended for putting his name forward in the first place. It's a big position, he's a young man, and very inexperienced in terms of working with inter-county teams at any level. He deserves all our support right now.
He's stepping in at a very, very difficult time for Mayo football. We're coming off the back of one of the worst championships ever; being beaten by Sligo and Longford in the one season is worse than anything I can certainly remember.
James has a massive job of work in front of him. I'm sure when he woke up last Thursday morning he would have felt very privileged to be the new Mayo manager. But, of course, with great power comes great responsibility.
The big thing is that every day, every match, he's under scrutiny now. People looking in from the outside will think it's a gamble. James doesn't have a senior club championship under his belt and he hasn't worked with an inter-county team. But he does have energy and enthusiasm, and he's ambitious. That's all good. Plus, when you ask him a straight question, you get a straight answer. There's no waffling going on.
LYONS IS TAMED
I'M a colleague of Tommy Lyons on The Sunday Game, I know him well, and I've been in contact with him over the last few days. He's desperately disappointed. He put his heart and his soul into trying to get the Mayo job and presented a very strong case.
There seemed to be a sense in some quarters early last week, especially among Mayo supporters on websites and discussion boards, that the selection committee needed to 'do the right thing' and appoint Horan ahead of Lyons.
I wouldn't agree with that at all. James Horan was selected on merit. It was very much a neck-and-neck race right up until the last few hours and I know both James and Tommy felt there were in very strong positions.
I know the selection committee reached a unanimous decision to recommend James Horan but it couldn't have been easy for them to reach that point. These were two top quality candidates, who both wanted the job for the right reasons, with two strong backroom teams. And James just tipped the scales. Why? The fact that he's local, more local than Tommy Lyons, had to be a factor.
But the game-breaker for me in the whole process (and something that I think is a really great story for any journalist who goes after it) was the fact that John Maughan pulled out shortly after the selection committee was announced. Why that happened is still unknown, but only two men — John Maughan and James Waldron — can answer the question.
THINGS TO DO
THE new manager has got a lot of work to do. The first job is to look at the players available to him. There are a lot of fine footballers not involved who are worth a look. He needs to find players with the right attitude and the right temperament who, like him, are there for the right reasons. To win something serious.
He's a new manager so, of course, there are going to be new players. Will there be four, five or six for championship? Maybe. For the national league though he might be advised to only introduce maybe three at a time. This is a very competitive division where nothing will come easy. The new players need to be brought into a stable environment.
All the players in last year's championship squad are under scrutiny now, but that's not to say that he's going to toss thirty players out. The squad needs to be pruned and, generally, that involved older players. But James will have to talk to every player.
He also needs to kill off this idea of 'win an All-Ireland or burst'. His aim should be to make the August Bank Holiday weekend, the quarter-finals, every year, and take it from there. That should be well within Mayo's reach every season.
When the new season starts next January, my advice would be to try and win every game, everything. But there should be no major disappointment if we lose to the likes of Tyrone by a couple of points, as long as something is learned.
WHERE ARE WE NOW?
IT'S impossible to know. In April we looked like a top four team and by June we couldn't get into the top sixteen. The defeat to Sligo knocked the stuffing out of everybody but it was the National League final that did most of the damage.
In most reasonable years, Mayo would be a top eight team. My argument is that if you keep getting to quarter-finals, then things happen. You have to keep getting there. In years one, two and three, Mayo need to target the quarter-finals.
It's awful hard to say where we sit. In terms of player quality, one of the great ways of assessing things is to pick how many of the Mayo team would get on a good, recent Kerry team. Alan Dillon? Maybe Keith Higgins when he's going well? That's where we're at right now.
LOCAL MEDIA MATTERS
This is going to be a big issue for the new manager. There are three major provincial papers in Mayo, a local radio station, and lots of journalists from Mayo and ex-Mayo players working with national media outlets. People like to read and hear about Mayo football.
My advice would be to have somebody who deals with the media. It needs to be handled, not in an unnatural way or with barriers, but managed. Sure, give local media what they want, but in a controlled manner. It's very difficult to resolve but if I was the Mayo manager I would find a strategy to deal with the press.
The coverage can be hugely positive too, it's not all negative but he needs to find a way to deal with it. Briefings by other parties about team matters needs to be handled carefully. I have no doubt that County Board officials briefed against managers and officials in the past.
If James Horan wants to win anything, he needs everyone moving in the one direction. Everybody, county board, players, clubs, supporters and media, will have to buy into his vision. If he can articulate a vision, and get everybody to buy into it, then it's a good start.
TRADITIONAL VALUES
WITH every year that goes by without Mayo winning an All-Ireland senior title, our tradition is being eroded. My big fear is that if we don't win it soon, that tradition that was passed on to us by our parents, and people who played in, and were at, the 1950 and '51 finals, will die.
A lot of Mayo people don't go to games anymore, we've been told for the last four years to dampen down expectations, and people seem happy enough to watch Mayo on TV. The longer it goes without Mayo making the breakthrough, the more that tradition will erode.
Having said that, I think James Horan's appointment will give everybody a lift and he will get the bounce of the ball from Mayo supporters.
He was a marvellous forward in his day and this is the first time, in a long time, that Mayo have appointed a forward as manager. Ironic, isn't it? Especially when you consider that the managers in '50 and '51, Gerald Courell and Jackie Carney, were two of the finest forwards of their era. They were marquee forwards.
That has to be one of the most positive aspects of James Horan being the new manager. He'll have an eye for particular facets of forward play. He'll bring a different perspective to it.
MY ADVICE?
I have three pieces of advice for James. 1) Be your own man. 2) Get your objective of reaching the All-Ireland quarter-finals out there and kill this myth that it's an All-Ireland title or bust. 3) Develop a strategy for dealing with the media.
It's worth remembering too that, this time four years ago, the euphoria and expectation was to the power of ten after John O'Mahony, a marvellous manager who had won two All-Irelands, was appointed. And look where we ended up? My point? You never really know!
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2010, 11:48:50 PM
Relax about the FBD final boys. It's just a piss-up in New York. The real action will be at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 52nd Street more so than Celtic Park. Matter a damn who's on the sideline. Means less than a training session.
Maybe so Iolar, but I know a lad will have to go through a bit of shite at work to travel. The FBD which?? Maybe even have to pay for somebody to do his job while he is away. He has to go if he wants to stay onside. Yet the county management isn't even around. They probably can't get off work either. It s a joke. A waste of money. Not like FBD are paying for the show. The trip costs at least 25K for the board. We re not that flush anymore. The fact that the new management cannot be involved makes the whole expedition a non event.
My God Moysider. I had no idea. I thought the whole idea of the New York trip was to give an incentive for the counties to play the FBD League in the first place - make some sort of effort in January and we'll sort the winners with a jolly in New York. If the FBD aren't stumping up for the trip then what on Earth is the point?
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 06, 2010, 09:31:10 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2010, 11:48:50 PM
Relax about the FBD final boys. It's just a piss-up in New York. The real action will be at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 52nd Street more so than Celtic Park. Matter a damn who's on the sideline. Means less than a training session.
Maybe so Iolar, but I know a lad will have to go through a bit of shite at work to travel. The FBD which?? Maybe even have to pay for somebody to do his job while he is away. He has to go if he wants to stay onside. Yet the county management isn't even around. They probably can't get off work either. It s a joke. A waste of money. Not like FBD are paying for the show. The trip costs at least 25K for the board. We re not that flush anymore. The fact that the new management cannot be involved makes the whole expedition a non event
There might be a lot of assumptions in the last few posts as its speculation as to why he is not going. I dont know for sure why, but I know its a good move that he is not going. Since he is not going, id be surprised if any of the new management team will be involved, but again I cant be sure.
I do think it shows he is not jumping on a bandwagon and free loading for the sake of it in the Big Apple with a group of players, some of whom he is likely not to be working with in the future. As well as that, I think that he didnt manage that team to the FBD final so I guess there is no point jumping on board now and throwing the media a bone and showing his hand as to what his team may have been.
If he did go he would be associated with that group of players as a starting point instead of naming his own panel after making his own decision on it as well as looking at guys in trials
And it also proves and is an indication of his focus on his job at hand, trying to win a county senior final with Ballintubber. I think I read in the Mayo news that he is yet to sit down with his management team to formalise a plan for Mayo so there is no need for panic.
One final thing, the FBD final means diddly squat
You re right. Horan is better off not being involved in this trip.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 06, 2010, 12:00:55 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2010, 11:48:50 PM
Relax about the FBD final boys. It's just a piss-up in New York. The real action will be at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 52nd Street more so than Celtic Park. Matter a damn who's on the sideline. Means less than a training session.
Maybe so Iolar, but I know a lad will have to go through a bit of shite at work to travel. The FBD which?? Maybe even have to pay for somebody to do his job while he is away. He has to go if he wants to stay onside. Yet the county management isn't even around. They probably can't get off work either. It s a joke. A waste of money. Not like FBD are paying for the show. The trip costs at least 25K for the board. We re not that flush anymore. The fact that the new management cannot be involved makes the whole expedition a non event.
My God Moysider. I had no idea. I thought the whole idea of the New York trip was to give an incentive for the counties to play the FBD League in the first place - make some sort of effort in January and we'll sort the winners with a jolly in New York. If the FBD aren't stumping up for the trip then what on Earth is the point?
I thought the exact same and I commented that FBD probably pay for the 'junket' to the States in October to my dad this morning. So it is only a junket of a trip that must be stumped up by the winners of the competition's Co board. Seems funny alright.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2010, 02:54:46 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 06, 2010, 12:00:55 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2010, 11:48:50 PM
Relax about the FBD final boys. It's just a piss-up in New York. The real action will be at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 52nd Street more so than Celtic Park. Matter a damn who's on the sideline. Means less than a training session.
Maybe so Iolar, but I know a lad will have to go through a bit of shite at work to travel. The FBD which?? Maybe even have to pay for somebody to do his job while he is away. He has to go if he wants to stay onside. Yet the county management isn't even around. They probably can't get off work either. It s a joke. A waste of money. Not like FBD are paying for the show. The trip costs at least 25K for the board. We re not that flush anymore. The fact that the new management cannot be involved makes the whole expedition a non event.
My God Moysider. I had no idea. I thought the whole idea of the New York trip was to give an incentive for the counties to play the FBD League in the first place - make some sort of effort in January and we'll sort the winners with a jolly in New York. If the FBD aren't stumping up for the trip then what on Earth is the point?
I thought the exact same and I commented that FBD probably pay for the 'junket' to the States in October to my dad this morning. So it is only a junket of a trip that must be stumped up by the winners of the competition's Co board. Seems funny alright.
Seems very complicated alright. Don't know how much FBD put into it through the Connacht Council. Maybe Council expenses and the participating county does have to put their hands in their pockets. I heard figures as high a 50k mentioned for Galway Co. Board for trip last year. You see the traveling county would expect to more than cover their cost with fundraisers over in fairness.
it really is a waste of money, while I am sure new york based lads like to get the chance to play a big name it must cost a fortune between flights and accomodation.And do players who are not sure of their position with Team Horan really want to travel out here for a weekend? and take time off from work and college?
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 05, 2010, 02:10:56 PM
From the HoganShhhtand...
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Horan won't travel to Big Apple
James Horan will not be travelling with his new Mayo charges to New York for this weekend's FBD League final in Rockland.
Horan, who was only named as John O'Mahony's successor last week, won't be part of the travelling party which flies out on Thursday. Mayo defeated Galway in the home final back in February and will face the Exiles at Rockland's new playing facilities at 4pm local time (9pm Irish) on Sunday.
Interestingly, Joe Kernan took charge of Galway in the corresponding fixture last year, despite being only in the job a matter of weeks at the time.
This decision doesn't surprise me at all, as I didnt expect him to travel. Its a good move IMO.
I can't help feeling the only reason Joe took the Galway job was because of the two all expenses paid trips to New York
From the Mayo news
Meet the new Mayo team
Wondering who's who in the new Mayo set-up?
Profiles
Mike Finnerty
MANAGER
James Horan
SHORTLY after putting the youngest of his four daughters to bed last Wednesday night, the 38 years-old received the phone call from Mayo GAA Chairman, James Waldron, to tell him that he was the new Mayo manager.
After leading Ballintubber to their first ever Mayo SFC final the previous Sunday, the appointment capped an incredible few days for the two-time All Star who began his coaching career with underage teams in Castlebar and Ballintubber.
Horan, who lives in Castlebar, works as a Process Quality Assurance Manager with Coca Cola in Ballina.
The New Zealand born forward won three Connacht senior championship medals during a distinguished playing career with Mayo.
SELECTORS
Martin Connolly
THE Ballindine native (52) is one of the most experienced coaches in Mayo and was announced as a selector/trainer in James Horan's backroom team last week.
Along with Shane Conway, he led the Westport footballers to the Mayo Intermediate championship title last year and was also in charge of Burrishoole when they reached the County Senior Final in 2000.
A teacher at Rice College, Westport, the former Davitts, Westport and Mayo defender is also a Connacht GAA Council coaching tutor.
He also won an All-Ireland club championship medal with Thomond College, Limerick in 1977, along with Mick Spillane, Brian Talty and Pat Spillane.
Paul Jordan
IRONICALLY, the new manager worked under Paul Jordan as a selector with the Castlebar Mitchels senior team a few years ago. Therefore, it is no major surprise that the duo have been reunited again.
Jordan (45) has been installed as a selector/trainer and will bring his own unique style to the training ground and dressing-room.
He is a former Kilmovee Shamrocks and Castlebar Mitchels footballer, and won a county senior championship medal in 1993. He was also a talented soccer player with Urlaur Utd and in 1990 won the Mayo Player of the Year award.
He currently works in Baxter, Castlebar.
James Nallen
THE two-time All Star retired from senior inter-county football at the end of the 2009 season after playing 132 games for Mayo.
During a glittering career, he won six Connacht senior championship medals and played in five All-Ireland senior finals (including the 1996 replay). He also won six county senior championship medals and an All-Ireland club championship title with Crossmolina in 2001.
The 37 years-old transferred to Claregalway, where he lives, last year and works in the physics department of NUI, Galway.
This is his first coaching role and he will fill the role of selector.
STATISTICIAN
Tom Prendergast
THE manager has gone for one of his most trusted lieutenants to fill the stats role in the new set-up. Prendergast soldiered with Horan for many years in the Ballintubber colours and they won County Intermediate medals together in 1990.
They have also worked together with the Ballintubber senior team in recent seasons and Prendergast's analytical nature and encyclopedic knowledge of the game made him an obvious choice for the position.
From a family steeped in football history, Tom Prendergast is a son of Murt Prendergast (RIP), and a a nephew of Paddy and Ray (RIP).
STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING
Ed Coughlan
THE Cork-born, Liverpool-based sports science graduate arrives with an impressive reputation having worked extensively with high-performance athletes in the UK.
The 36 years-old also worked earlier this year with John Maughan's Crossmolina squad and Tourlestrane in Sligo, and his game-conditioned training methods will test the Mayo players to the limit.
MEDICAL TEAM
Dr Sean Moffatt
HAVING assisted Ray Dempsey at both Mayo minor and U-21 level in recent years, the Ballina-based practitioner makes the step up to the senior ranks.
Dr Moffatt played for many years with the Ballina Stephenites, and also represented Mayo at both minor and U-21 level.
Liam Moffatt
THE former Crossmolina footballer and manager will be responsible for looking after the Dublin-based Mayo players which will probably mean that he will co-ordinate their training and medical requirements.
Moffatt (35) is currently studying Sports Science at DCU and is also a member of the St Vincent's senior management team.
A former Mayo minor, U-21 and senior defender, he has a wealth of experience and also won an All-Ireland club championship medal with Crossmolina in 2001.
Joe Dawson
A NATIVE of Westport, Joe is a sports massage therapist.
He is an accomplished long-distance athlete and represented Ireland at schools cross-country-level. He has also played soccer for Westport Utd and Mayo.
Paul O'Grady
THE consultant orthopaedic surgeon at Mayo General Hospital in Castlebar has a wealth of sporting experience having worked with both the New Zealand rugby and Republic of Ireland soccer teams in the past.
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
But the game-breaker for me in the whole process (and something that I think is a really great story for any journalist who goes after it) was the fact that John Maughan pulled out shortly after the selection committee was announced. Why that happened is still unknown, but only two men — John Maughan and James Waldron — can answer the question.
Jesus, I'd speculate that Kevin knows exactly what went on. Knives are out for Waldron now I'd say
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2010, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
But the game-breaker for me in the whole process (and something that I think is a really great story for any journalist who goes after it) was the fact that John Maughan pulled out shortly after the selection committee was announced. Why that happened is still unknown, but only two men — John Maughan and James Waldron — can answer the question.
Jesus, I'd speculate that Kevin knows exactly what went on. Knives are out for Waldron now I'd say
I m sure he does. It s out there. No point kniving/knifing Waldron. He s finishing up his term before Christmas. Maughan has been
persona non grata among a lot of the top brass in the county for some time. I think the only way he could have got the job this time was if there was no other credible candidate.
I get the impression from reading between the lines that Kevin is a bit pissed that his friend Tommy did not get the job.
In a way I'm surprised Sir John stayed in the contest as long as he did. Surely he knew his standing at the top table, and indeed among the clubs in general, wasn't great. Who would he have been expecting on the interview committee? Would a Knockmore or Ballina delegate on that interview board have made any difference?
Kevin is right. There is a story there regarding Maughan dropping out ( common knowledge locally but Sunday paper could use it on a quiet winter week) but to say that was the defining reason Horan was preferred over Lyons is skipping ahead a few lines. I remember most people thought at the time Maughan opting out was going to make Lyons even more secure.
Almost forgot. The interview committee was public knowledge before Maughan sat down with Waldron in a pre- interview audition. He was sat down and it appears he told he was wasting his time going any further. But he should have seen the writing on the wall earlier. The trouble now with all the spin, is that Horan is being made look like a 3rd choice that got lucky, which could weaken his position before he even starts. Kevin should know better. The time to ask questions about the appointment procedure was when it was happening - some people on here did do that - not when the thing is done and dusted. Especially when the winner did nothing wrong and was transparent all through the process.
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2010, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
But the game-breaker for me in the whole process (and something that I think is a really great story for any journalist who goes after it) was the fact that John Maughan pulled out shortly after the selection committee was announced. Why that happened is still unknown, but only two men — John Maughan and James Waldron — can answer the question.
Jesus, I'd speculate that Kevin knows exactly what went on. Knives are out for Waldron now I'd say
No need for knives Stephenite. His 5 years are up at the end of the year....
Quote from: highking on October 07, 2010, 01:24:16 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2010, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
But the game-breaker for me in the whole process (and something that I think is a really great story for any journalist who goes after it) was the fact that John Maughan pulled out shortly after the selection committee was announced. Why that happened is still unknown, but only two men — John Maughan and James Waldron — can answer the question.
Jesus, I'd speculate that Kevin knows exactly what went on. Knives are out for Waldron now I'd say
No need for knives Stephenite. His 5 years are up at the end of the year....
Yeah, didn't realise that. Cheers.
Still, McStay and Maughan would be fairly tight so there's some motivation to expose some part of the process and someones role in it
I read Kevin's account exhorting someone in the media to dig a bit further as evidence of some sort of shenanigans but having read Moysiders comments that a lot of it is known locally then maybe there's not too much in it. If there is, either Keith Duggan or Kieran Shannon will be writing about it fairly shortly
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: highking on October 07, 2010, 01:24:16 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2010, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
But the game-breaker for me in the whole process (and something that I think is a really great story for any journalist who goes after it) was the fact that John Maughan pulled out shortly after the selection committee was announced. Why that happened is still unknown, but only two men — John Maughan and James Waldron — can answer the question.
Jesus, I'd speculate that Kevin knows exactly what went on. Knives are out for Waldron now I'd say
No need for knives Stephenite. His 5 years are up at the end of the year....
Yeah, didn't realise that. Cheers.
Still, McStay and Maughan would be fairly tight so there's some motivation to expose some part of the process and someones role in it
I read Kevin's account exhorting someone in the media to dig a bit further as evidence of some sort of shenanigans but having read Moysiders comments that a lot of it is known locally then maybe there's not too much in it. If there is, either Keith Duggan or Kieran Shannon will be writing about it fairly shortly
Michael Foley had a very good piece on Horan and the selection process in the Sunday Times. Behind a firewall online if it's online at all, unfortunately.
well get the conspiracy right yet
horan was appointed as part of a cunning plan
he wont be supported the public will turn on him and then the Co board will be free to appoint their own man in
Tommy lyonsJOhn maughanMicko dwyer err PAt holmes
Good man Ros - unless all delegates get a free democratic vote (with the UN observers in place) I won't believe it. Some of them County board buckos have been around longer than most dictators :D
Only reason I bought it up is becuase McStay has basically made a point of telling everyone that there was something untoward
Are we taking the paranoia a bit too far?
The way I see it, from the start the county board didnt want Maughan in any way, shape or form so they rolled in behind candidates like Micko and Lyons to do their best so Maughan wouldnt get the job. Maughan could see what was happening and knew he didnt have their backing, so he pull out of the race, not before firing a few shots to wake up delegates and supporters on the ground as to the shenanigans that was going on. There is defiantly a story to be told there.
But delegates and supporters alike have since had an awakening and didnt seem to trust the county board after the O Mahoney tenure (which if we were to call a spade, a spade; was all about getting JOM elected) so they (delegates and supporters) all rolled in behind the best candidate - Horan. The county board knew that support for Horan was overwhelming and they dared not put Lyons forward as he would probably have been defeated and people would have questioned the motive of Lyons being put forward.
Saying things like Horan was third choice is a stretch as he was the peoples choice from the start and by the end of the race he had won everyone over.
IMO ;)
I dunno about all that abbey, I think once Maughan pulled out he was the best choice but I've spoken to a few people back home and his inexperience is a concern. As one man pointed out his greatest managerial feat has been to outfox John Healy and Nigel Reape by getting to a county final.
Anyway, I just found McStay's comment odd and wondered what was behind it.
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 09:39:22 AM
I dunno about all that abbey, I think once Maughan pulled out he was the best choice but I've spoken to a few people back home and his inexperience is a concern. As one man pointed out his greatest managerial feat has been to outfox John Healy and Nigel Reape by getting to a county final.
Anyway, I just found McStay's comment odd and wondered what was behind it.
I think he meant John Healy and Kenneth Mortimer as we didnt face Knockmore ;)
Inexperience is sometimes a concern, but Maughan took over Clare without any managerial experience and won a Munster title with them beating none other than Kerry which was astonishing. John O Mahoney was a very young man when he took the Mayo job the first time and nearly got us over the line in 1989.
Some managers are managers for years and years, and the game passes them by.
Experience is relative. I wouldnt worry about Horans experience as I rate him ahead of a lot of managers in the game at this moment in time.
James Horan might have been a lot of supporters first choice but we'd be naive if we thought he was the board's first choice. But that's what makes it all the better - the board had to accept the wishes of the people because they knew of the reaction Tommy Lyons' appointment might create. Democracy by stealth!
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 07, 2010, 10:07:19 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 09:39:22 AM
I dunno about all that abbey, I think once Maughan pulled out he was the best choice but I've spoken to a few people back home and his inexperience is a concern. As one man pointed out his greatest managerial feat has been to outfox John Healy and Nigel Reape by getting to a county final.
Anyway, I just found McStay's comment odd and wondered what was behind it.
I think he meant John Healy and Kenneth Mortimer as we didnt face Knockmore ;)
Inexperience is sometimes a concern, but Maughan took over Clare without any managerial experience and won a Munster title with them beating none other than Kerry which was astonishing. John O Mahoney was a very young man when he took the Mayo job the first time and nearly got us over the line in 1989.
Some managers are managers for years and years, and the game passes them by.
Experience is relative. I wouldnt worry about Horans experience as I rate him ahead of a lot of managers in the game at this moment in time.
Had he not managed the U21 AI winning team by then
Yeah, when he was only 30 in 1983. Was 36 in 1989, 35 when he took over. So very young even then.
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 03:23:16 AM
Good man Ros - unless all delegates get a free democratic vote (with the UN observers in place) I won't believe it. Some of them County board buckos have been around longer than most dictators :D
Only reason I bought it up is becuase McStay has basically made a point of telling everyone that there was something untoward
In all (well, almost all) seriousness, I think ros could well have a point. You could substitute the name of Pat Holmes with that of Bev Flynn or St Patrick or whoever takes your fancy and it would take a brave personto lay money on you not being correct.
No one does football like Mayo does football - where the illogical often is the logical course to take.
On the other hand, we might just have witnessed an exercise in democracy in action and the conspiracy theorists were wide of the mark since the CB announced details of the selection process.
All along, everybody concerned knew that the ultimate decision was going to be taken by the club delegates and all the misinformation, media spins, and speculation generated along the line was never going to change that fact.
James was elected by the delegates after the selection sub-committee and the CB recommended his selection. That's the inescapable truth; anything else is speculation.
Was he really the third choice candidate? He may indeed have been the third choice of some but by no means all the CB members. The bookies and the media pundits may have stated this but what basis has this in reality?
Maybe the interview panel just did what they were required to do and made their selection based on the actual interviews.
AS you cogently pointed out in a previous post, only registered club delegates were going to have a say in the matter of selection and that's the way it turned out. Once the actual appointment was left to club delegates, the CB stood the risk of losing control of the situation and the media speculation was always going to be just that- speculation pure and simple.
I feel we may have witnessed an instance of democracy by default but it still was democracy. I would imagine all CB members worked hard in trying to get their man selected. I would have expected that they would have and so they should. But the problem for conspiracy theorists is that there was no evidence to suggest that most, if not all of them had a particular applicant in mind. It's my opinion that CB as a unit had little influence in the proceedings because there was no unanimity of choice between them.
Nobody else was able to manipulate the appointment either.
Many observers, myself included, felt the CB would have been confident of swaying the delegates to accept their preferred man. Since they couldn't agree o n a single individual, the board as a body had little influence on the outcome.
I felt it was hugely significant that no club or its delegates for that matter came out publicly in support of any man in the running. It's gratifying that those who mattered most left the ballyhoo to others.
Based on what i have heard, the interview panel kept their council and neither offered or accepted any advice or guidance on how the prospective canidates performed or might perfrom. While a lot of conspiracy theories have been put forward, the majority of the panel had no axe to grind, as their preferred or non preferred runners as the case may be were not to be interviewed. This leads be to believe that the best presented canidate shone through, not second best or third best.
Contary to what others may think, my opinion is that the media inspired 1/8 odds been placed on Tommy Lyons actually went against him as the executive wanted to show that they would not be swayed by the power on the media and could quiet effectively pick there own man.
Mayo is no different to any other county in terms of internal politics, look at the meath and monaghan episodes this year as well as the cork and limerick fiascos in previous years.
Someday we'll win something and it will all be forgotten, until then keep ;D ;D
Only nine pages to go ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
Only nine pages to go ;D
Galway v Mayo should get them over the 100 mark now & what happened to the last couple of posts?
Lads yere struggling to get to 100 pages surely to god horan must have some skellitons in the closet or maughan pullin out has to be discussed in detail
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Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
Only nine pages to go ;D
Galway v Mayo should get them over the 100 mark now & what happened to the last couple of posts?
people went running to the mods complaining about information that is publicly available and that GAA websites like hoganstand publish stories from. Such as this one.
http://hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=136397
yet no outrage of the County board bringing people not required to New York for a bit of a holiday. How much would it cost to bring him to New York? over a thousand including flights Hotel, Food, Pints etc? Who'll have to pay it? the clubs Thats ten extra tickets to try and sell.
We don't know if the individual in question isn't paying his own way. If it is who I think it is then he travels regularly over. He has close family over there. However there are several officials who are paid over as well as their partners so why not him?
They re doing nothing wrong as such and its a free country, but I wonder if it wise for current players making unguarded comments on Facebook or Twitter?
Quote from: moysider on October 07, 2010, 09:18:14 PM
We don't know if the individual in question isn't paying his own way. If it is who I think it is then he travels regularly over. He has close family over there. However there are several officials who are paid over as well as their partners so why not him?
They re doing nothing wrong as such and its a free country, but I wonder if it wise for current players making unguarded comments on Facebook or Twitter?
Whatever about players using FaceBook and Twitter, there should be a respect of their privacy and for their messages not being gossiped about on a public forum like this.
PSTG, unless you know for sure that that person isnt paying their own way have some tact and general cop on not to be posting such rubbish.
They d be well advised steer clear of these media. We ve had our share of poor judgment with interviews in the past. I know James Horan has a lot to be getting on with but one thing I think he should do is 'lock the doors'. It is time for Mayo to do the talking on the pitch. I dont want to read any interviews. Horan has indicated that we wont be hearing much from management. That s a good start. Don t want to hear from the players either. We re all able enough to see what s happening on the pitch. Time to get rid of the house of pain shite for good.
Surely Dillon was only commenting because of Horan's involvment and just ensuring that the delegates and board knew what certain Senior players thought. Fairly easy to see through that one in fairness
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on October 07, 2010, 09:09:45 PM
http://hoganstand.com/Mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=136397
Intriguing comment there.
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 11:19:10 PM
Surely Dillon was only commenting because of Horan's involvment and just ensuring that the delegates and board knew what certain Senior players thought. Fairly easy to see through that one in fairness
Never cease to be amazed at an attitude within the Gaa that players should only be seen and not heard (or read).
Quote from: moysider on October 07, 2010, 10:41:09 PM
They d be well advised steer clear of these media. We ve had our share of poor judgment with interviews in the past. I know James Horan has a lot to be getting on with but one thing I think he should do is 'lock the doors'. It is time for Mayo to do the talking on the pitch. I dont want to read any interviews. Horan has indicated that we wont be hearing much from management. That s a good start. Don t want to hear from the players either. We re all able enough to see what s happening on the pitch. Time to get rid of the house of pain shite for good.
True that. Don't want to see another Mort or McGarrity interview ever again....
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 11:19:10 PM
Surely Dillon was only commenting because of Horan's involvment and just ensuring that the delegates and board knew what certain Senior players thought. Fairly easy to see through that one in fairness
Yeah, true. There s is no doubt that he is only one of a few 'Senior' players that is secure and he may well have had a stir at things. But the more recent, and since removed, comments would suggest that maybe these guys should be a bit more careful. I can t imagine any manager tolerating players being loose on these forums.
As an aside though, Mayo is a panel without senior players. I mean ones that can be sure they will be required in 8 months time. Dillon and Higgins about it.
Quote from: muppet on October 07, 2010, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 11:19:10 PM
Surely Dillon was only commenting because of Horan's involvment and just ensuring that the delegates and board knew what certain Senior players thought. Fairly easy to see through that one in fairness
Never cease to be amazed at an attitude within the Gaa that players should only be seen and not heard (or read).
In the case of Mayo recently they are only heard or read. Because they are not seen - being dumped on their holes early summer, before anybody bothers to pay attention.
Personally I think Mayo should take an approach of a newly formed team, start from scratch. Those from previous regimes, O'Mahoney, Morrison, Maughan etc. good enough will rise to the task and be obvious choices, K.Higgins, Clarke, O'Malley (Goals), Dillon.
Quote from: AbbeySider on October 07, 2010, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 07, 2010, 09:18:14 PM
We don't know if the individual in question isn't paying his own way. If it is who I think it is then he travels regularly over. He has close family over there. However there are several officials who are paid over as well as their partners so why not him?
They re doing nothing wrong as such and its a free country, but I wonder if it wise for current players making unguarded comments on Facebook or Twitter?
Whatever about players using FaceBook and Twitter, there should be a respect of their privacy and for their messages not being gossiped about on a public forum like this.
PSTG, unless you know for sure that that person isnt paying their own way have some tact and general cop on not to be posting such rubbish.
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What a load of bollox, the only reason your sprouting it is because your from Ballintubber. Twitter is a public blog, if he didnt want those comments in the public domain he should have sent a text message or an e-mail. he made those comments in a public domain. He could of been shouting it from the rooftops of Castlebar for what its worth its the same thing as posting it on twitter.
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2010, 11:19:10 PM
Surely Dillon was only commenting because of Horan's involvment and just ensuring that the delegates and board knew what certain Senior players thought. Fairly easy to see through that one in fairness
Dillion had made noises when the whole process started, before anyone had expressed interest in the job, that there should be a player representitave involved in picking a new manager. That was never a runner. Maybe that's why he considered the process a joke.
Twitter - caused big controversy in politics with Simon Coveney about Cowen, now with Alan Dillon re county board!
People are posting tweets like a text or email, but as one political commentator was saying, it's a public statement so should be treated like a press release. It has the potential to cause a lot of trouble, so you need to be careful about what you post.
I'm sure the player's know that, they're intelligent lads - maybe they want to get their point across to the co board.
But in case the posts were made without thinking of the mass audience, I don't think it's fair to be discussing them here really (yes, I'm aware of the irony that I'm posting about them :))
More unecessary attention.
Quote from: mannix on October 08, 2010, 01:31:17 PM
More unecessary attention.
+1
Nice to see some humility words of support from the Lyons camp:
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Lyons urges supporters to back Horan
Former Dublin manager Tommy Lyons
07 October 2010
One of the front runners for the Mayo football manager's job, Tommy Lyons has urged the county's supporters to get behind James Horan as he bids to restore some pride in the jersey.
The 2010 campaign was one to forget for Mayo supporters as the senior team exited both the Connacht championship and All-Ireland qualifiers at the first hurdle.
Following John O'Mahony's resignation from the position, the race was on to see who the county board would appoint and they have handed the opportunity to Horan ahead of Lyons.
However, the RTE analyst feels that Horan is well equipped to do the job, if he gets the backing of everyone in the county and he has stressed that it will take time to turn things around.
"James Horan was a fantastic footballer for his county, he's a fine young manager and he needs to get total support from all sections of Mayo to give him the best possible chance," said Lyons.
"A big issue is that they start every year talking about winning the All-Ireland, when they haven't won it for nearly 60 years. They need to focus on getting to Croke Park for the August Bank Holiday weekend. Mayo can't look beyond that, they supporters need to stop putting up blocks. It took Cork five goes to win an All-Ireland, how does Mayo think they can go up and win it in the next year or two."
Quote from: ballinaman on October 07, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 07, 2010, 10:41:09 PM
They d be well advised steer clear of these media. We ve had our share of poor judgment with interviews in the past. I know James Horan has a lot to be getting on with but one thing I think he should do is 'lock the doors'. It is time for Mayo to do the talking on the pitch. I dont want to read any interviews. Horan has indicated that we wont be hearing much from management. That s a good start. Don t want to hear from the players either. We re all able enough to see what s happening on the pitch. Time to get rid of the house of pain shite for good.
True that. Don't want to see another Mort or McGarrity interview ever again....
Whatever about McGarrity, Mortimer took the biscuit last year. I know he was captain and all that but Christ above!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 08, 2010, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 07, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 07, 2010, 10:41:09 PM
They d be well advised steer clear of these media. We ve had our share of poor judgment with interviews in the past. I know James Horan has a lot to be getting on with but one thing I think he should do is 'lock the doors'. It is time for Mayo to do the talking on the pitch. I dont want to read any interviews. Horan has indicated that we wont be hearing much from management. That s a good start. Don t want to hear from the players either. We re all able enough to see what s happening on the pitch. Time to get rid of the house of pain shite for good.
True that. Don't want to see another Mort or McGarrity interview ever again....
Whatever about McGarrity, Mortimer took the biscuit last year. I know he was captain and all that but Christ above!
I wouldn't write off the IC career of anyone who played under John O'Mahony just yet!
None of them, with the honourable exception of David Clarke, played to his true potential. Why they should all lose the plot is a mystery to me and probably to everyone else who is concerned with Mayo football. O'Mahony can't be blamed for everything that had gone wrong but he was the man in overall charge- and with ultimate authority comes ultimate responsibility.
The inescapable fact is that he did lead by example and the players chose to follow him. It was unfortunate that the lot of them set off in the wrong direction.
Probably the CB also played a part in bringing Mayo football to its knees. Going by the tone of Alan's and Peadar's tweets, the players seem to have issues with the CB.
However, this is all in the past and is best left there as the only option available is to prepare for a fresh start and to embrace the opportunity to do so. I expect all players from the O'Mahony era who are interested will make every effort to redeem themselves and prove they still have something to give for the cause.
No talk of the FBD match in New York here :o for those that care ye won! 0-19 to 0-7
Paul Jordan and Tom Prendergast were at the Parke v Islandeady Junior Final yesterday, Taking notes. It looks like the new regime may be spreading their net in the hope of finding some players.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 11, 2010, 04:00:27 PM
Paul Jordan and Tom Prendergast were at the Parke v Islandeady Junior Final yesterday, Taking notes. It looks like the new regime may be spreading their net in the hope of finding some players.
In fairness even John O'Mahoney went to Junior County finals
Quote from: ross4life on October 11, 2010, 03:50:44 PM
No talk of the FBD match in New York here :o for those that care ye won! 0-19 to 0-7
Bad news in Mayo Gaa. See the Inisboffin thread.