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Colm O'Rourke has stated than unless users of internet forums can provide some sort of conclusive proof that they are who they say they are (and that they are 'bona fide' GAA supporters), they should not be allowed to comment on GAA matters.
"It should be possible for the GAA, along with internet providers, to have such sites vetted so that only bona fide GAA supporters have access and where they have to use their name and club."
So, in effect, if you're not a paid up member of the junta, Colm says you're not allowed to comment.
Now, i live abroad and am not a paid up GAA club member at this point in time. This means that, by Colm's rules, I can't point out the obvious bias and lack of fair and balanced argument in the first part of his article. I can't point out that, as someone involved in the creation of the head to head rule, he might have some kind of vested interest in only portraying one side of the argument.
And I can't point out that he's completely ignored the fact that there is an imbalance of home and away games in the NFL and, as teams don't play each other both home and away, his rule, which he describes as 'a fair system for all' , is anything but.
But, you see, Colm finds it 'hard to understand what part of fairness causes a problem'. Of course fairness, in his view, is having a dedicated weekly newspaper column allowing him to sound off unopposed on whatever takes his fancy, calling people 'bastards' and 'cowards' along the way, but preventing the rest of us from commenting at all.
Tough **** Colm, we're not going away.
I think the way he finishes of the piece says it all.
On the interest site thing, considering his background on criticising players I don't think he's to be taken seriously.
He may have said some harsh things in the past but the point he is making is he puts his name to his criticism, we don't and that is a fair comment IMO. It's rubbish to suggest you need to be a GAA member to comment on GAA matters but other than that I think he has a point. However I don't agree we should put our names to our posts, for a number of reasons and I don't think players or managers get personally abused on most sites (with the odd exception) but there can be no doubt that some lads have posted things they wouldn't say to someone's face and this is unfair.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
He may have said some harsh things in the past but the point he is making is he puts his name to his criticism, we don't and that is a fair comment IMO. It's rubbish to suggest you need to be a GAA member to comment on GAA matters but other than that I think he has a point. However I don't agree we should put our names to our posts, for a number of reasons and I don't think players or managers get personally abused on most sites (with the odd exception) but there can be no doubt that some lads have posted things they wouldn't say to someone's face and this is unfair.
We don't have a national audience zulu.
Its a fair rule of thumb for this board that you should assume your real name goes on all your posts and that you shouldn't make any comments which you wouldn't be content to have your real name put to.
Some of the personal abuse of club and intercounty players that posters see fit to put on this site is scandalous.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 04, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
He may have said some harsh things in the past but the point he is making is he puts his name to his criticism, we don't and that is a fair comment IMO. It's rubbish to suggest you need to be a GAA member to comment on GAA matters but other than that I think he has a point. However I don't agree we should put our names to our posts, for a number of reasons and I don't think players or managers get personally abused on most sites (with the odd exception) but there can be no doubt that some lads have posted things they wouldn't say to someone's face and this is unfair.
We don't have a national audience zulu.
We have a world wide audience POG. While I accept many people associated with players and managers will not read GAA forums, some will and the players themselves probably do. So I think he has a point but I still don't think we should put our real names to what we say, however we should consider if we'd say it in public before we post it. Another point worth noting is the fact Colm gets well paid for his opinion we don't and therefore we shouldn't be expected to put our names to our opinions.
His comment that it's regrettable that the internet provides a public forum for any fool to spout any nonsense he wishes and for anyone with malevolent intent to try to damage another's reputation anonymously is of course true. We've said it here many times and we all wish all posters would behave as they would if they weren't anonymous. But to suggest that it's technically possible to change this state of affairs is naive and foolish.
And to suggest that I should expose my identity to the mass of morons, some of them dangerously unhinged (as we've also seen here) who populate the internet on the same basis as you do in your column, Colm, is ludicrous. You see, Colm, I don't get paid for the nonsense I write here.
I'll happily sign my name to anything I've written here. And I'll be paid for its use just as Colm is by RTÉ and the Sindo.
Otherwise, it's a ducks and drakes comparison, isn't it? Lazy Col(u)m(n). Páidí is equally lazy in the Sindo this morning too, btw. Zzzz. I'm going for a walk in the sunshine while it's here.
Maybe O Rourke might be referring to comments such as this classic by our sligo poster - sligonian
I dont blame our players, who massively handicapped by a retarded management.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2010, 12:37:02 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 04, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
He may have said some harsh things in the past but the point he is making is he puts his name to his criticism, we don't and that is a fair comment IMO. It's rubbish to suggest you need to be a GAA member to comment on GAA matters but other than that I think he has a point. However I don't agree we should put our names to our posts, for a number of reasons and I don't think players or managers get personally abused on most sites (with the odd exception) but there can be no doubt that some lads have posted things they wouldn't say to someone's face and this is unfair.
We don't have a national audience zulu.
We have a world wide audience POG. While I accept many people associated with players and managers will not read GAA forums, some will and the players themselves probably do. So I think he has a point but I still don't think we should put our real names to what we say, however we should consider if we'd say it in public before we post it. Another point worth noting is the fact Colm gets well paid for his opinion we don't and therefore we shouldn't be expected to put our names to our opinions.
the vast majority of what is said on here would be a reflection on what's been said at games, on the way home, in pubs and clubs etc. I don't see what the difference is in saying it on here. Ok, players, managers etc can see it and may not like some of the things that is said about them but I'm sure they enjoy others. if I was privy to every conversation about me I probably wouldn't like some of the things said about me either (no smart remarks).
The way some GAA figures go on you would think that there was never any criticism of players or managers until discussion boards and we all know that's bullshit. There's very little personal criticism of players on here, there may be criticism of the likes of Ciaran McKeever or Galvin etc but if you behave like they do then you have to expect that. If it makes them feel better we can ban all criticism but what's next, ban criticism in gaa club houses, at gaa grounds etc. It's just ridiculous. He also said soemthing about the people being criticised have no right to reply - they do, anyone can sign up to these boards. They have more of a right to reply then they do when he's criticising them while they're in the changing rooms, oh that's right they can write him a letter. Give me a f**king break. If I said what I think about Colm and what I've heard about him I can assure he wouldn't like it - but I don't want to get personal.
I'm rambling now but the whole point is that Colm and co who cry about discussion boards have their heads stuck up the arse (I'm not signing my name to that but if I ever meet you colm I'll tell you that to your face)
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And to suggest that I should expose my identity to the mass of morons, some of them dangerously unhinged (as we've also seen here) who populate the internet on the same basis as you do in your column, Colm, is ludicrous. You see, Colm, I don't get paid for the nonsense I write here.
Spot on.
I have to add another point - Colm has regularly criticised GAA figures to increase viewing figures on RTE, him and his mate Spillane - he's got a f**king nerve!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 04, 2010, 01:02:43 PM
[I have to add another point - Colm has regularly criticised GAA figures to increase viewing figures on RTE, him and his mate Spillane - he's got a f**king nerve!
Exactly - how often have i heard him on RTE having a go at players who respond to his nationally televised criticism of them saying something along the lines of Brian/Conor/Brendan should go now and cut his hair and concentrate on his football and not be answering back to what we're saying about him up here...and then has a moan about players not having a right of reply to us - fcuks sake!
To be fair to Sligonian, I get the impression that most Sligo fans do know who he is, he is honest about his club etc. but that doesn't stop him having an opinion and posting it here...I think someone called it Little Man Syndrome before or something...
O Rourke the footballer was top class. Like him or leave him as a commentator he does put his name on all his utterances. I have to agree with him. Most posters put up intellegent and fairminded stuff, however stuff has appeared from cowards that not in a million years would they have posted such drivel had they to put their own name on it. Certainly I have no bother putting my own name to what I send in. Like another poster said, no point in doing that with the amount of ranting mouth foaming lunatics out there who would never sign their own name.
I like most people try and post as if I was using my own name i.e. I will not post anything that I wouldn't say face to face. If O'Rourke had been reading some of the comments on the Armagh v Down match a couple of weeks ago, for example, it would be easy to come to the conclusions he has. However, I firmly believe that in the majority of cases posters are responsible and to tar everyone with the same brush is wrong. We all must be aware of what we are saying. Players can read these posts or have them relayed to them by others and no matter what we think they are amateurs doing their best without compulsion and it can be hard to take criticism from people you cannot defend yourself against. In the end of the day though we are posting here because of our love for GAA and for the association to grow it needs much of the publicity internet sites offer.
Surely calling the ref/player a bollix in the pub never to be heard again is the same as behind a username.
Naive to think that he can censor the internet. Freedom of speach is here to stay.
Unfortunately, O'Rourke, like Eugene Magee before him, is referring to an ever-increasing menace on the Internet. It didn't start with GAA boards and it won't finish with them either.
The saving grace, if there is indeed any, is that O'Rourke is referring to people who post their comments on little-know internet forums ands whose comments are disregarded by everyone with a tiny bit of sense. I find this practice is regrettable and unwelcome but I don't see how it can be stopped either.
I can't think of any possible way to ensure posters can be forced to supply their real names- and contact details also. Even if it were possible to force all Irish sites to have moderated discussion boards, that would mean forcing some innocent moderator to take full legal responsibility for what is being put up. That would be impractical and anyway sites can be set up easily elsewhere so it would be pointless to even consider trying this.
If China can't succeed in forcing Google to moderate its contents for the Chinese people, we won't manage to prevent immature laitchekos posting drivel on discussion boards that could be hosted anywhere on earth.
Teachers and solicitors were very upset when the likes of ie.ratemyteachers.com/ and rate-your-solicitor.com/ sprang up but were able to do nothing about it.
Those sites and many similar ones are still there. The only positive about them is that once the initial fuss died down, they have dropped out of sight.
I'd be more concerned about what might appear on Facebook or Bebo than what passes for constructive analysis on some obscure GAA-related board or other but I know that is small consolation for anyone who is getting abused by those nitwits.
Freedom of speech and all that comes with it is a reality.
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 04, 2010, 03:53:48 PM
Surely calling the ref/player a bollix in the pub never to be heard again is the same as behind a username.
Naive to think that he can censor the internet. Freedom of speach is here to stay.
The board administrators and moderators can certainly censor this site, and quite properly do from time to time. No personal attacks should be allowed on players or managers or referees here. Criticize their performance on the field, within reason (some of the attacks on referees are absolutely ludicrous given the limitations within which they must perform their jobs), but anything beyond that should be subject to disciplinary action. This is a private club - speech is only as "free" as the owner/moderators of the site wish it to be.
It is unbelievable the amount of spectators seem to log onto this board, then condemn the comments before coming back for another read of it. There are comments go over the top alrite tho if a name was on it would still be condemned, 'What does he know? who did he ever play for? blah blah...
Quote from: Take Your Points on April 04, 2010, 05:19:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 04, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
Unfortunately, O'Rourke, like Eugene Magee before him, is referring to an ever-increasing menace on the Internet. It didn't start with GAA boards and it won't finish with them either.
The saving grace, if there is indeed any, is that O'Rourke is referring to people who post their comments on little-know internet forums ands whose comments are disregarded by everyone with a tiny bit of sense. I find this practice is regrettable and unwelcome but I don't see how it can be stopped either.
I can't think of any possible way to ensure posters can be forced to supply their real names- and contact details also. Even if it were possible to force all Irish sites to have moderated discussion boards, that would mean forcing some innocent moderator to take full legal responsibility for what is being put up. That would be impractical and anyway sites can be set up easily elsewhere so it would be pointless to even consider trying this.
If China can't succeed in forcing Google to moderate its contents for the Chinese people, we won't manage to prevent immature laitchekos posting drivel on discussion boards that could be hosted anywhere on earth.
Teachers and solicitors were very upset when the likes of ie.ratemyteachers.com/ and rate-your-solicitor.com/ sprang up but were able to do nothing about it.
Those sites and many similar ones are still there. The only positive about them is that once the initial fuss died down, they have dropped out of sight.
I'd be more concerned about what might appear on Facebook or Bebo than what passes for constructive analysis on some obscure GAA-related board or other but I know that is small consolation for anyone who is getting abused by those nitwits.
Freedom of speech and all that comes with it is a reality.
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Like myself Mr O'Rourke features on Rate My Teacher where virtually anything goes. Same on Bebo where apparently I have at least one profile created for me by some helpful soul.
You have my sympathies. I don't know how teachers put up with such nonsense being put up there for everyone to see. Very few other professions come with the potential for public ridicule and unfair, clueless, personal abuse that teaching does, but I suppose a thick skin comes with the profession. But, as with O'Rourke's point, the pathetic, spinless cowards that post their personal attacks do so anonymously there as well. I'm pretty sure very few would have the guts to say anything derogatory to your face.
Quote from: Take Your Points on April 04, 2010, 05:19:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 04, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
Unfortunately, O'Rourke, like Eugene Magee before him, is referring to an ever-increasing menace on the Internet. It didn't start with GAA boards and it won't finish with them either.
The saving grace, if there is indeed any, is that O'Rourke is referring to people who post their comments on little-know internet forums ands whose comments are disregarded by everyone with a tiny bit of sense. I find this practice is regrettable and unwelcome but I don't see how it can be stopped either.
I can't think of any possible way to ensure posters can be forced to supply their real names- and contact details also. Even if it were possible to force all Irish sites to have moderated discussion boards, that would mean forcing some innocent moderator to take full legal responsibility for what is being put up. That would be impractical and anyway sites can be set up easily elsewhere so it would be pointless to even consider trying this.
If China can't succeed in forcing Google to moderate its contents for the Chinese people, we won't manage to prevent immature laitchekos posting drivel on discussion boards that could be hosted anywhere on earth.
Teachers and solicitors were very upset when the likes of ie.ratemyteachers.com/ and rate-your-solicitor.com/ sprang up but were able to do nothing about it.
Those sites and many similar ones are still there. The only positive about them is that once the initial fuss died down, they have dropped out of sight.
I'd be more concerned about what might appear on Facebook or Bebo than what passes for constructive analysis on some obscure GAA-related board or other but I know that is small consolation for anyone who is getting abused by those nitwits.
Freedom of speech and all that comes with it is a reality.
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Like myself Mr O'Rourke features on Rate My Teacher where virtually anything goes. Same on Bebo where apparently I have at least one profile created for me by some helpful soul.
You have a bebo page typ? I must have a look for that :P
That rate my teacher page is a joke though, just a forum for kids to abuse their teachers...
Interesting comment from O'Rourke.
I wonder should it also apply to spectators attending matches?
When you should abuse at a player for yet another wide should you also shout your name and address?
Or is this particular sensitivity only apply to the internet? I think players and management hear criticism all the time and while I agree some of what is said is over the top and idiot, most players and management are well able to take it.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 04, 2010, 06:42:06 PM
There's only a couple of players I'd refer to as tramps and most of Ireland would agree with me and that's down to things they've done on the field. If they don't like being called tramps then my suggestion is that they stop behaving like tramps.
There's no rules against that on here but there is rule about abusing and name calling where other posters are concerned, something you should keep in mind.
Except there clearly is a rule against it;
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1. Personal abuse.
Personal abuse is one of the most common problems on internet boards. Known sometimes as 'playing the man', whether foul language is used or not, this behaviour is
not allowed.
e.g. Calling someone a fat fool is the same as calling someone something more vulgar.
Rule 1 obviously isn't specific to other posters.
Quote2. Libellous/insulting posts about a real person
In this day and age, many more people are becoming aware of the existance of boards such as this. While this is generally a good thing, it also means that the posts are
more likely to be read by a casual visitor to the site. In these circumstances, the board must protect itself against allegations of libel, or defamation and so any posts
which make derogatory remarks about a named, or clearly implied, individual, are a serious breach of the rules, and dangerous to the board itself. This particularly applies
to individuals' private lives, finances, legal issues etc etc. This also applies to unwarranted abuse of GAA players and officials.
Rule 2 is pretty clear about it as well.
I wouldn't read those rules in the same way you do tacadoir....
As long as comments made on here are not personal attacks on players or any one else then I don't see why it makes a difference if you use your real name or not! Some journalists and so called experts are a just a bit miffed that a lot of comments made on here are often a lot more insightful than they can come up with.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2010, 07:14:05 PM
As long as comments made on here are not personal attacks on players or any one else then I don't see why it makes a difference if you use your real name or not! Some journalists and so called experts are a just a bit miffed that a lot of comments made on here are often a lot more insightful than they can come up with.
That's the thing.
what about some well known journalists using discussions, opinions and arguments made here and elsewhere on GAA discussion boards as the basis for their own columns in national papers
MrBrehony springs to mind. along with a few others
I wonder if we could all attack the journalists, what would they make of it all then!
Brian Dooher is a bad footballer.
Should I put my name to that?
;D :D :D
Quote from: neilthemac on April 04, 2010, 07:42:26 PM
what about some well known journalists using discussions, opinions and arguments made here and elsewhere on GAA discussion boards as the basis for their own columns in national papers
MrBrehony springs to mind. along with a few others
What worries me about Breheny is the percentage of crap that he comes up with that actually gets seriously discussed at administrative level.
He had a right good go at getting the minor and under 21 championships abolished and replaced with an under 19 championship a while back, completely ignoring the lack of inter-county competition that would be available to 20 and 21 year old lads that werent ready for senior. So when I saw him trying to get the provincial championships abolished last week I started getting worried...
Print media are scared witless of discussion boards and blogs anyway and they have good reason to be - I can get the information i want here or on WJ's (excellent) Green and Red blog long before it makes the papers.
Quotecompletely ignoring the lack of inter-county competition that would be available to 20 and 21 year old
And what is wrong with 20 and 21 year olds playing more club football/hurling?
QuoteSo when I saw him trying to get the provincial championships abolished last week I started getting worried...
Without a doubt the day we get rid of the provincial championships will be the greatest day in GAA history as it will finally signal the day we establish an IC structure that is modern and fair to all. It is a must.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2010, 09:45:28 PM
Quotecompletely ignoring the lack of inter-county competition that would be available to 20 and 21 year old
And what is wrong with 20 and 21 year olds playing more club football/hurling?
Nothing at all, but we lose enough players to work/drink/other sports between minor and under 21 as it is. We need to keep the best players in the inter county development system for as long as theres a possibility of them playing senior. Most 19 year olds aren't ready at that age and if they think it'll be three years before they play county again, some will chuck it and go elsewhere.
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QuoteSo when I saw him trying to get the provincial championships abolished last week I started getting worried...
Without a doubt the day we get rid of the provincial championships will be the greatest day in GAA history as it will finally single the day we will establish an IC structure that is modern and fair to all. It is a must.
I respectfully disagree! Theres only three worthwhile senior competitions to win as things are, in one of them only 8 counties are allowed to compete each year, and another has only been shared between 6 teams in 15 years. For most teams the provincials are the only thing they have any chance at all of winning and while balancing the 32 teams into four groups of eight or eight groups of four sounds nice and neat and tidy, it would destroy gaelic football in all bar about 10 counties.
Leave the championship alone, it's fine. I'm not sure how exactly we stumbled onto the qualifier system 10 years ago, but it's worked out really well if you ask me.
Anyway we've gone off topic.
Quote from: Zulu on April 04, 2010, 09:45:28 PM
Quotecompletely ignoring the lack of inter-county competition that would be available to 20 and 21 year old
And what is wrong with 20 and 21 year olds playing more club football/hurling?
QuoteSo when I saw him trying to get the provincial championships abolished last week I started getting worried...
Without a doubt the day we get rid of the provincial championships will be the greatest day in GAA history as it will finally signal the day we establish an IC structure that is modern and fair to all. It is a must.
Zulu some counties will never win anything else. I saw Westmeath absolutely gutted today after losing a leinster final.
QuoteFor most teams the provincials are the only thing they have any chance at all of winning
QuoteZulu some counties will never win anything else.
This is where I disagree lads, if you look at the past 30 years how many provincial titles have been won in Munster outside of Cork/Kerry, Leinster outside of Dublin/Meath/Kildare, Connacht outside of Mayo/Galway, Ulster outside of Tyrone/Armagh/Down? And how many weaker counties look like breaking that duck in the near future? The possibility of a weaker county winning a provincial championship once every 30 years isn't enough to justify an unbalanced championship. And if you take Limerick, Monaghan and now (maybe) Tipp as case studies you could argue that when weak counties get good teams the provincial championships can ensure they never win anything.
I've said this before and I've seen others argue for a similar format but I'd link the league to the championship and seed teams based on their league performance and then play a straight knockout championship with seed 1 playing seed 32 and so on. By doing so (and starting the league in April) you'd get full strength teams playing the league, which would increase revenue, media exposure, county grounds usage, promotional opportunities, the time available for club games, give a realistic goal for all counties (their division) and bring back the do or die element of the championship.
I don't know - the last decade was a relatively great one for Westmeath and Laois, they'd have nothing to show for their efforts if they didn't win Leiinster. That Sligo team were kicking down the door in Connacht for 10 years before they made the breakthrough in 07, they were never going to win the AI, so Connacht was always their best hope. Clare in 92, Leitrim in 94, maybe Tipp, Monaghan or Antrim in the next couple of years...yes of course Mayo, Galway, Dublin, Cork, Kerry and so on will win most of them, but that makes it even sweeter for the Roscommons and the Sligos when they finally have their day in the sun.
And as a Mayoman, the fact that we've won 40 odd Connachts before didn't make last years win in Salthill any less sweeter, it was still my sporting highlight of the year.
That's fine Cosmo but is it enough to justify a situation where most teams in the country have no chance to win anything most years and where the club championships are impossible to plan because the CB's don't know if you're going through the front or backdoor? In addition most of the best match ups of the year are played out in secret almost, Mayo V Galway, Dublin V Tyrone, Armagh V Down, Mayo V Kerry, Cork V Kerry, Dublin V Kerry, Monaghan V Tyrone, Kildare V Laois etc. have all been played this year already yet most GAA fans, not to mention general sports fans, haven't seen a minute of these games. It is madness and the biggest stumbling block to Ireland having a really good sporting competition is the provincial championships. People want (and need) things to do in this country and we want to get behind sports teams and relate to them, it's only a matter of time before soccer or rugby offer regular quality sport to a willing public while we fanny about offering glorified challenge matches to people for most of the year.
This site has it's fair share of cowards who hide behind their username and call players all sorts of names and i can guarantee you they would never reveal their names not to mention say it to the player(s) face. The same guys have an opinion on everything and do nothing but complain...all i say is FFS grow a set of balls and if you're prepared to ruin a guys name at least have the guts to put you're name to it.
I would have no problem puttint my name to posts on the board as a good few on here know my name anyway and if there is something I've posted in the past that is OTT I'll still be man enough to repeat it with my name beside it...(i can just see certain p***ks now going thru my previous posts looking for ammunition...lol :D)
Quote from: illdecide on April 04, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
This site has it's fair share of cowards who hide behind their username and call players all sorts of names and i can guarantee you they would never reveal their names not to mention say it to the player(s) face. The same guys have an opinion on everything and do nothing but complain...all i say is FFS grow a set of balls and if you're prepared to ruin a guys name at least have the guts to put you're name to it.
I would have no problem puttint my name to posts on the board as a good few on here know my name anyway and if there is something I've posted in the past that is OTT I'll still be man enough to repeat it with my name beside it...(i can just see certain p***ks now going thru my previous posts looking for ammunition...lol :D)
Maybe you should grow a set and say who you're talking about in your posts, you could also follow it up with examples rather than mindless ranting. and you really think someone's name is ruined here by something someone posts? you really think that? are you that fickle?
Btw, why don't you repeat your countless abusive attacks on Ronan Quigley (that's a referee from my own club for anyone that doesn't know) again and put your name beside it?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 05, 2010, 12:12:23 AM
Quote from: illdecide on April 04, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
This site has it's fair share of cowards who hide behind their username and call players all sorts of names and i can guarantee you they would never reveal their names not to mention say it to the player(s) face. The same guys have an opinion on everything and do nothing but complain...all i say is FFS grow a set of balls and if you're prepared to ruin a guys name at least have the guts to put you're name to it.
I would have no problem puttint my name to posts on the board as a good few on here know my name anyway and if there is something I've posted in the past that is OTT I'll still be man enough to repeat it with my name beside it...(i can just see certain p***ks now going thru my previous posts looking for ammunition...lol :D)
Maybe you should grow a set and say who you're talking about in your posts, you could also follow it up with examples rather than mindless ranting. and you really think someone's name is ruined here by something someone posts? you really think that? are you that fickle?
Btw, why don't you repeat your countless abusive attacks on Ronan Quigley (that's a referee from my own club for anyone that doesn't know) again and put your name beside it?
Ill do even better than that, i'll meet him face to face and tell him that he's the worst and most baised ref there is but i bet you'll not put your name to that countless verbal attacks on McKeever ;) is that a good enough example for ya.
R u that big of a coward that you'll continue to call him a tr**p but hide behind you're keyboard and as for you saying "my club" is that the same club where members have came on here before and told you to shut you're big mouth and that you do not represent Silverbridge in any way and that everyone associated with Silverbridge hates you...sounds like to me you don't have a club ;)
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I would have no problem puttint my name to posts on the board as a good few on here know my name anyway and if there is something I've posted in the past that is OTT I'll still be man enough to repeat it with my name beside it...
But you won't...
as for the rest of your post, I'm not going to go off topic to explain but all I'll say is just because you keep repeating something and you really really want it to be true (like when you nearly creamed your pants when you thought JB was slagging me off in the Gaelic Life) it doesn't make it true.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 04, 2010, 07:14:05 PM
Some journalists and so called experts are a just a bit miffed that a lot of comments made on here are often a lot more insightful than they can come up with.
That's exactly what the problem is, for some time now there has been concerted attacks on discussion boards, blogs or any online opinion pieces, by members of the established traditional media. The current affairs TV program Questions & Answers is still running in Oz (exact same format as John Bowman ran on RTE), anyway they has a respected political blogger on the panel instead of any of the major political correspondents from the main daily newspapers - they went off their nut for a week complaining about this blogger and his lack of qualifications.
I think that the growth of boards like this have robbed journalists of their pompous position to dictate what the agenda is amongst GAA fans and to "scoop" the big news stories. For example, stories are broken here long before the morning paper gets them, this is bound to p*ss them off. So we get a situation where journalists are dictated to by what's happening online. As for TV pundits, their privilaged position as the "expert" is questioned online on a regular basis and their sometimes ridiculous comments taken to task. This is more immediate and effective than the odd complaint letter into RTE, BBC or Irish news which they can ignore. Colm o Rourke etc in my opinion are more concerned with criticism of themselves than any current players.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 04, 2010, 01:02:43 PM
. If I said what I think about Colm and what I've heard about him I can assure he wouldn't like it - but I don't want to get personal.
That would actually be hilarious - post it to f**k, that'll teach him.
And for all those who're saying 'I'd have no problem putting my name beside my posts...', why don't yous prove it?!! Sounds like complete (empty) bravado.
If I had to put my name beside my posts I dont think I'd post at all. I'd say I'm in the vast majority of the board too. Its a forum for GAA discussion, the anonymity is its key selling point. Rarely can anyone say what they actually think, here there is that opportunity, to a certain extent. Most people anyway would treat their user name as an extension of themselves, and will aspire to be well thought of - with the result that there generally arent too many inflammatory posts.
And 'take your points', being a good GAA man hasnt anything to do with Sean Quinns current position - where does O'Rourke say it does?
I understand your frustration, ML, but what you're suggesting would never work.
I am not getting at you personally in any way but what you are proposing isn't practical.
For one thing, the notion of exclusivity (exclusiveness?) in any way runs counter to the ethos that underpins the Internet. I know that seems OTT but, in plain English, for everyone who wants to restrict access to anything, there are dozens more working hard to break down all barriers of any sort. That's why newsgroups and bulletin boards became so popular right from the start and that's the reason why nicknames became standard practice from the beginning.
You could indeed get this board moderated to such a degree that all posters would need to be registered club members but I'd swear the public relations people at GAA HQ wouldn't touch it with the proverbial 40 foot pole. The Star, Sun and the rest of the tabs would have a field day or even month having a go at this draconian attempt to muzzle freedom of speech – you can guess the rest of what the usual snipers would come up with.
Besides, what's the point in restricting discussion on this board when there are scores of others doing more or less the same thing? Anyway, I think most of the drivel to be found on this board is coming from registered club members who are liable to drag every thread, including this one, off-topic at every possible opportunity.
Besides all of the above, I get withdrawal symptoms any time Evil Genius or Roger goes missing for a spell over in the general Discussion section. Chrisowc, nifan and most of the OWC lads add a new and welcome dimension to this board and so does the lads who take the on 'cavalry' head too head.
I wouldn't hang around if I had to put up with what passes for constructive discussion from some of the registered club members we already have on this board.
BTW: haranguerer's post has just gone up. I think it very sensible.
Thats all well and good and if people want to remain anonymous then that's their decision but if you say something personal and dish out abuse about someone the MOD's should post you're name beside you're post and let everyone see that you're not hiding behind the keyboard.
I have said somethings on the board about a certain ref in Armagh but when i thought about this morning i've already told him what i thought of him to his face and i'd have no problem doing so again, infact i physically removed him from our changing rooms after a game that ended in a row!!!
To me he's implied that because Quinn is a good gaa man he's entitled to the "don't let the bastards grind you down". I just don't think it was appropriate.
Maybe I am reading to much into it but i found that GAA man comment to be slightly nauseating.
To me it read as if you are a good GAAman, that puts you above adverse comment.
That adverse comment is coming from bastards.
And being a good GAA man means that you should not be regulated like those non GAA folk.
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2010, 12:54:28 PM
Maybe I am reading to much into it but i found that GAA man comment to be slightly nauseating.
To me it read as if you are a good GAAman, that puts you above adverse comment.
That adverse comment is coming from b**tards.
And being a good GAA man means that you should not be regulated like those non GAA folk.
If you find that nauseating you may get a bucket before looking at Fermanagh county board's statement.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 05, 2010, 01:03:39 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 05, 2010, 12:54:28 PM
Maybe I am reading to much into it but i found that GAA man comment to be slightly nauseating.
To me it read as if you are a good GAAman, that puts you above adverse comment.
That adverse comment is coming from b**tards.
And being a good GAA man means that you should not be regulated like those non GAA folk.
If you find that nauseating you may get a bucket before looking at Fermanagh county board's statement.
slightly nauseating :)
There are degrees.
O'Rourke is just frustrated he can't say what he likes all the time but anonymous posters on internet forums can. Again though - he gets paid for what he says so not like with like.
Secondly - we all know many GAA journos use internet forums whether browsing or otherwise so if they're all up for honesty etc maybe they should admit that first. Like the few famous stories that were nicked off here down the years.
As for myself - very few people in Sligo don't know who I am. In fact all the Sligo posters are easily identifiable. Not sure with other counties how easy/hard it is to identify folk but I can't imagine it would be that difficult. There's not really a lot of anonymity in it to be honest.
Edit - Read that back and it sounded incredibly arrogant. What I mean is that anyone from Sligo who is in GAA circles and reads this board can easily find out who I am.
I think the comment about Seán Quinn was ill advised and pointless.
already on the quinn thread typ but as I said on there, embarrassing.
I am Mick O'Connell
How did that happen? I used to be Mick O'Connell.
Any sign of Spartacus yet?
This is the land of the nod and the wink. Anything that sheds light to the great unwashed will be frowned upon. Knowledge is power.
Quote from: passedit on April 05, 2010, 04:55:58 PM
Any sign of Spartacus yet?
He is working for the Financial Regulator.
Spartacus has/is nothing on Micko
I've written this before but I think we should implement a similar system to our beloved OWC friends, who have to pay for the right to post there. It mightn't cut down on the vitriol some spout but it would defientely dissuade a few maggots from joining in the first place. A form of registration could be done fairly easily I'd imagine(if someone could be arsed doing it).
I'm Joe Lavery
Already been stated that O'Rourke's unrealistic and unworkable proposals for vetting can be dismissed. He actually does not even understand the problem never mind his solution proposals plucked from God knows where.
on the OWC patronage type solution.
The OWC is obviously a forum to serve OWC supporters, the forum policy that appears to work, to their satisfaction on the comparable (to here) general football forum, is active interfering moderating not any restricted patronage access for sale policy.
The standard reached "to their satisfaction" does not preclude the usual % of idiotic comment that you might get here.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 06, 2010, 04:23:49 PM
I dont know how you find Ealing Green a good debater either btw, could bore you to death so that you give up the will to continue engaging from what I remember of him.
I wonder does he post under another handle here? ::)