RTÉ launches Ireland's Greatest Figures
RTÉ has invited the public to vote for Ireland's greatest figures as part of a new television series.
From a shortlist of 40 people, the public will be asked to vote for the greatest figures in the country's history.
The shortlist includes people from across the gamut of Irish life: sport, politics, music, arts and literature.
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Votes can be cast at a dedicated website: www.rte.ie/tv/irelandsgreatest/, from 9am on Monday 22 March until noon on Friday 2 April.
The top five figures, as nominated by the voters, will then become the subject of one of five brand new hour-long documentaries, each charting the individual's impact and contribution to Irish life, as interpreted and championed by a well-known personality.
The resulting series of documentaries will be broadcast this September on RTÉ One.
Once these documentaries have aired, the public will again be given the opportunity to reassess which person deserves the accolade of Ireland's Greatest Figure, with the winner being announced on 'The Late Late Show' in October.
Shortlist of Greatest Irish People (in alphabetical order)
1. Bono (1960)
Rock Star and Human Rights campaigner
2. Dr. Noel Browne (1915 - 1997)
Politician and Physician
3. Michael Collins (1890 - 1922)
Revolutionary leader, Chairman of the Irish provisional government and Commander-in-chief of the provisional government army
4. James Connolly (1868 - 1916)
Socialist and Revolutionary
5. Éamon de Valera (1882-1975)
Revolutionary, Former Taoiseach and President of Ireland
6. Joe Dolan (1939 - 2007)
Singer and Entertainer
7. Ronnie Drew (1934 - 2008)
Singer and folk musician
8. Colin Farrell (1976)
Hollywood Actor
9. Garret Fitzgerald (1926)
Former Taoiseach and leader of Fine Gael
10. Stephen Gately (1976 - 2009)
Singer and Actor
11. Bob Geldof (1951)
Musician and Human Rights campaigner
12. Pádraig Harrington (1971)
Professional Golfer
13. Charles Haughey (1925 - 2006)
Former Taoiseach and leader of Fianna Fáil
14. Séamus Heaney (1939)
Poet, Writer and Winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature.
15. John Hume (1937)
Politician and co-recipient of the 1998 Nobel Peace Prize
16. James Joyce (1882 - 1941)
Writer
17. John B. Keane (1928 - 2002)
Writer, Humourist and Publican
18. Roy Keane (1971)
International Footballer and Manager
19. Ronan Keating (1977)
Singer/Songwriter and Charity Campaigner
20. Seán Lemass ( 1899-1971)
Revolutionary, and former Taoiseach
21. Jack Lynch (1917 - 1999)
Taoiseach and Sportsman
22. Phil Lynott (1951 - 1986)
Singer, bassist and songwriter
23. Paul Mc Grath (1959)
National and International Footballer
24. Christy Moore (1945)
Irish singer/songwriter.
25. Liam Neeson (1952)
Hollywood Actor
26. Daniel O'Connell (1775-1847)
Political leader, Catholic Emancipator and Lord Mayor of Dublin
27. Daniel O'Donnell (1961)
Singer and entertainer
28. Brian O'Driscoll (1979)
Professional rugby player
29. Michael O'Leary (1961)
Chief Executive of Ryanair
30. John O'Shea (1944)
Humanitarian Campaigner
31. Sonia O'Sullivan (1969)
Athlete
32. Charles Stewart Parnell (1846 - 1891)
Nationalist political leader, founder and leader of the Irish Parliamentry Party and land reform agitator.
33. Pádraig Pearse (1879 - 1916)
Educator, writer and revolutionary
34. Christy Ring (1920 - 1979)
Hurling Champion
35. Mary Robinson (1944)
Former Irish President and Human Rights defender
36. Adi Roche (1955)
Humanitarian and campaigner
37. Wolfe Tone (1763 - 1798)
Republican and Revolutionary
38. Louis Walsh (1952)
Music Manager and Judge on 'The X Factor'
39. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
Writer, poet and dramatist
40. W.B. Yeats (1865 - 1939)
Poet, Dramatist, Founder of the Abbey Theatre and Winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature
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Great figures?
Gately, Haughey, Farrell and Michael O'Leary?????????????
I'm surprised Dustin the Turkey isn't on it.
Some on that list is madness! Louis Walsh, wtf. Not wanting to speak ill off the dead, but why is Stephen Gately on there?
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:07:55 PM
Great figures?
Gately, Haughey, Farrell and Michael O'Leary?????????????
I'm surprised Dustin the Turkey isn't on it.
Roy Keane?? A great Irishman?? Somebody is taking the complete piss here!!
Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2010, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:07:55 PM
Great figures?
Gately, Haughey, Farrell and Michael O'Leary?????????????
I'm surprised Dustin the Turkey isn't on it.
Roy Keane?? A great Irishman?? Somebody is taking the complete piss here!!
I've just went to the site and it's true enough... gobsmacked isn't the word for it! The man walked out on his Country how can he now be proclaimed 'Great'?? It beggars belief really. The poll had potential but this has made an absolute farce of it and thats before you go into Steven Gately, Louis Walsh, Ronan Keating and Michael O'Leary!
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Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2010, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:07:55 PM
Great figures?
Gately, Haughey, Farrell and Michael O'Leary?????????????
I'm surprised Dustin the Turkey isn't on it.
Roy Keane?? A great Irishman?? Somebody is taking the complete piss here!!
I've just went to the site and it's true enough... gobsmacked isn't the word for it! The man walked out on his Country how can he now be proclaimed 'Great'?? It beggars belief really. The poll had potential but this has made an absolute farce of it and thats before you go into Steven Gately, Louis Walsh, Ronan Keating and Michael O'Leary!
You are of course right. You will also want Paul McGrath removed as he walked out on his country a number of times as did Sonia O'Sullivan if your mind is small enough. Come to this of it there will be those who say Michael Collins & James Joyce did so as well.
Keane, McCarthy & Quinn's version of events agree and all differ from yours. Give it up.
Quote from: the colonel on March 22, 2010, 11:08:40 PM
Some on that list is madness! Louis Walsh, wtf. Not wanting to speak ill off the dead, but why is Stephen Gately on there?
Because he died recently.
QuoteBecause he died recently.
And as the saying goes, when you're dead, your're great. Absolute joke of a list.
No Ronnie O'Brien (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/meet-ronnie-obrien-man-of-the-century-1118079.html) either.
UTV are complaining more people from the wee north aren't on the list, particularly everybodies favour - George Best.
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:31:47 PM
No Ronnie O'Brien (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/meet-ronnie-obrien-man-of-the-century-1118079.html) either.
:D :D Had a look at Ronnie on wikipedia there - seems he ended up carving out a decent career for himself in America.
What was the name of the economist from the north who was a top civil servant in the south and won Irish person of the century?
Where's Judge, Zig and Zag, Dana, Johnny Logan, Oliver Plunkett, St. Brendan, The man who invented Kerry??
Are RTE having a laugh here?
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:20:55 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2010, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2010, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:07:55 PM
Great figures?
Gately, Haughey, Farrell and Michael O'Leary?????????????
I'm surprised Dustin the Turkey isn't on it.
Roy Keane?? A great Irishman?? Somebody is taking the complete piss here!!
I've just went to the site and it's true enough... gobsmacked isn't the word for it! The man walked out on his Country how can he now be proclaimed 'Great'?? It beggars belief really. The poll had potential but this has made an absolute farce of it and thats before you go into Steven Gately, Louis Walsh, Ronan Keating and Michael O'Leary!
You are of course right. You will also want Paul McGrath removed as he walked out on his country a number of times as did Sonia O'Sullivan if your mind is small enough. Come to this of it there will be those who say Michael Collins & James Joyce did so as well.
Keane, McCarthy & Quinn's version of events agree and all differ from yours. Give it up.
Sorry so you want to compare McGrath's going AWOL a number of times due to alcoholism ( a recognised disease), with Roy Keane taking a notion he couldn't be arsed anymore in Saipan. McGrath played in 2 World Cups for Ireland in varying degrees of pain, he deserves his place on that list!
I really don't know about Sonia walking out on Ireland you will have to refresh my memory on that one!
Absolutely disgusted with that list.
Only 2 members of Boyzone on it. What about Mikey, Keith and Shane ffs?
All the rubbishy people on the list, O'Leary, Walsh, Keating and Gately are there because of the texting nature of the voting. It can't be helped. Mr Life ish Roller Coashter, you just want to roide it instead of George "Madam with my looks and your brains we should have the perfect offspring"Bernard Shaw. There is just no justice in the world.
Michael Collins
Éamon de Valera
Charles Stewart Parnell
Liam Neeson
Pádraig Harrington
personal five favourite, all proud irish men who are well respected worldwide.
Is Neeson the only Nordie on the list?
john hume and seamus heany both from derry
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 22, 2010, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: the colonel on March 22, 2010, 11:08:40 PM
Some on that list is madness! Louis Walsh, wtf. Not wanting to speak ill off the dead, but why is Stephen Gately on there?
Because he died recently.
Exactly - whoever put this list together needs their holes kicked. Whilst not trying to be disrespectful Stephen Gately would not have been even considered had he not died.
Cmon now capt Pat don't be using the word nordie. I don't want to have to drop the f bomb on those of you in the f***state. Brutal list altogether though as these type of polls tend to be. Don't deserve the time of day.
Quote from: Shortso79 on March 22, 2010, 10:57:23 PM
RTÉ launches Ireland's Greatest Figures
RTÉ has invited the public to vote for Ireland's greatest figures as part of a new television series.
From a shortlist of 40 people, the public will be asked to vote for the greatest figures in the country's history.
The shortlist includes people from across the gamut of Irish life: sport, politics, music, arts and literature.
Advertisement
Votes can be cast at a dedicated website: www.rte.ie/tv/irelandsgreatest/, from 9am on Monday 22 March until noon on Friday 2 April.
The top five figures, as nominated by the voters, will then become the subject of one of five brand new hour-long documentaries, each charting the individual's impact and contribution to Irish life, as interpreted and championed by a well-known personality.
The resulting series of documentaries will be broadcast this September on RTÉ One.
Once these documentaries have aired, the public will again be given the opportunity to reassess which person deserves the accolade of Ireland's Greatest Figure, with the winner being announced on 'The Late Late Show' in October.
Shortlist of Greatest Irish People (in alphabetical order)
1. Bono (1960) FAIL
Rock Star and Human Rights campaigner
5. Éamon de Valera (1882-1975) FAIL
Revolutionary, Former Taoiseach and President of Ireland
9. Garret Fitzgerald (1926) FAIL
Former Taoiseach and leader of Fine Gael
11. Bob Geldof (1951) FAIL
Musician and Human Rights campaigner
13. Charles Haughey (1925 - 2006) SUPER DUPER FAIL
Former Taoiseach and leader of Fianna Fáil
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 23, 2010, 01:54:53 AM
Cmon now capt Pat don't be using the word nordie. I don't want to have to drop the f bomb for those in the f***state. Brutal list altogether though as there type of polls tend to be. Don't deserve the time of day.
f***state thats what they are printing on the New Passports, they are blaming the machine being broke in the flood but I reckon its part of their industrial action to be honest.
As long as it doesn't say West Britain sure!
Ernie Walton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Walton)
Scandalous list. Not a mention of Brush Shields to be found. And what about Paul Berry? Willy Frazer? Pat Kenny? Brendan O'Carroll? Dessie Farrel? John Bannon? I just don't know any more.
I'm voting for Joe Dolan and against The Wolfe Tones.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 22, 2010, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:31:47 PM
No Ronnie O'Brien (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/meet-ronnie-obrien-man-of-the-century-1118079.html) either.
:D :D Had a look at Ronnie on wikipedia there - seems he ended up carving out a decent career for himself in America.
What was the name of the economist from the north who was a top civil servant in the south and won Irish person of the century?
TK Whitaker? Still alive as far as i know.
I heard that the list was combined from a survey of 1000 poeple and it was 50/50 split on gender lines but interestingly only 3 women on it
Some looney choices alright
Jesus Wept, Brian O'Driscoll, Louis Walsh, Garrett Fitzgerald, Joe Dolan etc on the list.
Only thing now left iis for the Tyrone lads to start up a "hilarious" petition to add Peter Canavan to the list.
Btw, the likes of Fr McVerry, Willie Bermingham and WT Cosgrave should be on the list along with many others.
Quote from: Canalman on March 23, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
Jesus Wept, Brian O'Driscoll, Louis Walsh, Garrett Fitzgerald, Joe Dolan etc on the list.
Only thing now left iis for the Tyrone lads to start up a "hilarious" petition to add Peter Canavan to the list.
Btw, the likes of Fr McVerry, Willie Bermingham and WT Cosgrave should be on the list along with many others.
Willie Bermingham - absolutely correct.
They've mainly gone for celebs, minor sports stars, public figures etc. instead of true selfless people who gave of themselves to make their world just a little bit better for others.
i thought this was a big joke first.
None of the great poets like o casey,cavanagh,shaw or behan.
None of the 1916 proclamation signatories WTF?
Robert boyle was probably one of the best scientists of his time on the planet.
Adi Roche ahead of Countess Markivicz WTF?
One of the first women politicians in the world and the first women to be made a minister as far as i know.
Even the likes of carson could be put ahead of some of the muppets on there
The boyzone brigade for christ sake.
Rte asked 1000 people.What qualifications had they?
By the sounds of it they were d4 hello reading late teen/early twenty females.
Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2010, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:20:55 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2010, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2010, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:07:55 PM
Great figures?
Gately, Haughey, Farrell and Michael O'Leary?????????????
I'm surprised Dustin the Turkey isn't on it.
Roy Keane?? A great Irishman?? Somebody is taking the complete piss here!!
I've just went to the site and it's true enough... gobsmacked isn't the word for it! The man walked out on his Country how can he now be proclaimed 'Great'?? It beggars belief really. The poll had potential but this has made an absolute farce of it and thats before you go into Steven Gately, Louis Walsh, Ronan Keating and Michael O'Leary!
You are of course right. You will also want Paul McGrath removed as he walked out on his country a number of times as did Sonia O'Sullivan if your mind is small enough. Come to this of it there will be those who say Michael Collins & James Joyce did so as well.
Keane, McCarthy & Quinn's version of events agree and all differ from yours. Give it up.
Sorry so you want to compare McGrath's going AWOL a number of times due to alcoholism ( a recognised disease), with Roy Keane taking a notion he couldn't be arsed anymore in Saipan. McGrath played in 2 World Cups for Ireland in varying degrees of pain, he deserves his place on that list!
I really don't know about Sonia walking out on Ireland you will have to refresh my memory on that one!
McGrath's problem wan't alcoholism, that was just a tiny part of it. Try reading his book, it is by far the best (and worst) of it's type around.
No Packat Rackat?
The term Figure implies the Iconic status of the person.
So its a case of recognisability of the person not whether they did a lot or you like/agree with what they did.
Dr Noel Browne
James Connolly (was he not a signatory of the proclamation?)
Michael O'Leary
Can't remember anybody else who are memorable from the list who I have anything but Celebrity
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 23, 2010, 10:59:51 AM
The term Figure implies the Iconic status of the person.
So its a case of recognisability of the person not whether they did a lot or you like/agree with what they did.
Dr Noel Browne
James Connolly (was he not a signatory of the proclamation?)
Michael O'Leary
Can't remember anybody else who are memorable from the list who I have anything but Celebrity
What does Michael O'Leary have over other richer more successful Irish businessmen except celebrity?
Quote from: ludermor on March 23, 2010, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 22, 2010, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2010, 11:31:47 PM
No Ronnie O'Brien (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/meet-ronnie-obrien-man-of-the-century-1118079.html) either.
:D :D Had a look at Ronnie on wikipedia there - seems he ended up carving out a decent career for himself in America.
What was the name of the economist from the north who was a top civil servant in the south and won Irish person of the century?
TK Whitaker? Still alive as far as i know.
He'd be getting my vote.
Quote from: Canalman on March 23, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
Only thing now left iis for the Tyrone lads to start up a "hilarious" petition to add Peter Canavan to the list.
Well, he already won the Blackpool one so why not?
That list is embarassing, some of these people are meant to be the most iconic of all that Ireland has ever produced in our hundreds (maybe thousands) of years of history.... Some of those names are actually shameful....
Joe Dolan, Ronnie Drew, Colin Farrell, Stephen Gately, Charles Haughey, Ronan Keating, Christy Moore, Daniel O'Donnell, Michael O'Leary, Adi Roche, Louis Walsh
For jaysus sake, sure why isn't Big Tom in there, Richie Kavanagh, Brush Shields?? When you think of all the famous and noteworthy Irishmen? John Holland inventor of the submarine, wasn't the founder of the Argentine Navy Irish? None of the famous men "Saints and Scholars" Age are listed???
As someone said earlier - Robert Boyle? Any child at school doing the most basic science will have come across Boyle's law...
I know that these type of lists and competitions always provoke great discussion about who makes it but those names above are plain stupid, almost insulting...
Stephen Gateley. Did they go the local jobcentre on hairdressers day to do their canvassing?
Quote from: Celt_Man on March 23, 2010, 12:21:06 PM
That list is embarassing, some of these people are meant to be the most iconic of all that Ireland has ever produced in our hundreds (maybe thousands) of years of history.... Some of those names are actually shameful....
Joe Dolan, Ronnie Drew, Colin Farrell, Stephen Gately, Charles Haughey, Ronan Keating, Christy Moore, Daniel O'Donnell, Michael O'Leary, Adi Roche, Louis Walsh
For jaysus sake, sure why isn't Big Tom in there, Richie Kavanagh, Brush Shields?? When you think of all the famous and noteworthy Irishmen? John Holland inventor of the submarine, wasn't the founder of the Argentine Navy Irish? None of the famous men "Saints and Scholars" Age are listed???
As someone said earlier - Robert Boyle? Any child at school doing the most basic science will have come across Boyle's law...
I know that these type of lists and competitions always provoke great discussion about who makes it but those names above are plain stupid, almost insulting...
Admiral William Brown - Born in Mayo i think - National hero in Argentina
WHAT ABOUT the great Willie Joe Padden
Quote from: Estimator on March 23, 2010, 01:23:36 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on March 23, 2010, 12:21:06 PM
That list is embarassing, some of these people are meant to be the most iconic of all that Ireland has ever produced in our hundreds (maybe thousands) of years of history.... Some of those names are actually shameful....
Joe Dolan, Ronnie Drew, Colin Farrell, Stephen Gately, Charles Haughey, Ronan Keating, Christy Moore, Daniel O'Donnell, Michael O'Leary, Adi Roche, Louis Walsh
For jaysus sake, sure why isn't Big Tom in there, Richie Kavanagh, Brush Shields?? When you think of all the famous and noteworthy Irishmen? John Holland inventor of the submarine, wasn't the founder of the Argentine Navy Irish? None of the famous men "Saints and Scholars" Age are listed???
As someone said earlier - Robert Boyle? Any child at school doing the most basic science will have come across Boyle's law...
I know that these type of lists and competitions always provoke great discussion about who makes it but those names above are plain stupid, almost insulting...
Admiral William Brown - Born in Mayo i think - National hero in Argentina
Aye that's the boyo... surely he would be worthy of mention before Ronan Keating and Stephen Gately, O'Leary and Walsh- no harm to any of them
We has a lot of scientists whose names are in everyday use e.g. Beaufort Boole as in Boolean for the computer whiz kids, Kelvin and didn't know this but the guy who eplained why the sky is Blue was Irish John Tyndall.
For others look at
http://understandingscience.ucc.ie/pages/irishscientists.htm
There was a thread on this about 3-4 months ago that went in detail naming irish figures of note
Pearse gets my vote.
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Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 23, 2010, 03:13:54 PM
Pearse gets my vote.
Pearse who?...
Brosnan.
Very good Bond and by the looks of it he's as much right on it as some of those other eejits
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 23, 2010, 01:51:31 PM
We has a lot of scientists whose names are in everyday use e.g. Beaufort Boole as in Boolean for the computer whiz kids, Kelvin and didn't know this but the guy who eplained why the sky is Blue was Irish John Tyndall.
For others look at
http://understandingscience.ucc.ie/pages/irishscientists.htm
Interesting article. Robert Boyle is in the premier league of scientists throughout history. There's a pub in Barrack Street in Carlow called the John Tyndall, always wondered who he was - now I know!
Quote from: deiseach on March 23, 2010, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 23, 2010, 01:51:31 PM
We has a lot of scientists whose names are in everyday use e.g. Beaufort Boole as in Boolean for the computer whiz kids, Kelvin and didn't know this but the guy who eplained why the sky is Blue was Irish John Tyndall.
For others look at
http://understandingscience.ucc.ie/pages/irishscientists.htm
Interesting article. Robert Boyle is in the premier league of scientists throughout history. There's a pub in Barrack Street in Carlow called the John Tyndall, always wondered who he was - now I know!
Britain's climate change research centre (one of the leading such institutes on the planet) is named after Tyndall. It's based in the University of East Anglia in Norwich.
Until Jim McDonald is added to the poll, it is a complete farce and one that I will ignore!
UDR Jim from Corrie?
Where the f**k is the King 'Dickie Rock'?
Quote from: ziggysego on March 23, 2010, 04:38:05 PM
Until Jim McDonald is added to the poll, it is a complete farce and one that I will ignore!
Father of Steve and Andy or is there another famous Jim Mc Donald?
Quote from: Denn Forever on March 23, 2010, 01:51:31 PM
We has a lot of scientists whose names are in everyday use e.g. Beaufort Boole as in Boolean for the computer whiz kids, Kelvin and didn't know this but the guy who eplained why the sky is Blue was Irish John Tyndall.
For others look at
http://understandingscience.ucc.ie/pages/irishscientists.htm
Sure these boys were British before 1921...
<ducks for cover> ;D
No mention of Tom Crean, Marty Morrisey, Ernst Shackleton, Sharon Ní Bheoláin, Dan Donnelly, Fr. Larry Duff, Arthur Guinness, Ted Walsh, Lee Carsley, Brian Boru, Dick "butterfingers" Spring, Dawn Run, Miley Byrne, Mick O'Dwyer, Andrea Corr, Éamonn Casey, Eddie McGoldrick, Brendan Kilkenny, Arkle, Weeshie Fogarty, Dustin the Turkey, Bernard from Black Books, Gabriel Fulcher, Sea The Stars, Barney Curley, William Ulsterman from Harry Enfield, Stewart McKenzie-Smith?
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dermot morgans is a big miss, although he was never getting on it when its RTE making the show.
Phil Babb's omission is disgraceful also
Never mind andrea corr, jim's omission from this list is an outrage.
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I notice that there are no religious figures. Surely with a country so enshrined in religion, we should have?
Just to put these sort of polls into context Cheryl Cole was recently voted the the Most Inspirational Woman of the Decade :D :D
No George Best?
Charles Franklin?
Harry Ferguson, the man who revolutionised agriculture?
Martin O'Neill?
Anthony Tohill?
Kenneth Branagh?
Joey Dunlop
Spike Milligan
Callum Best?
Bernard from Blind Date.
Nally Stand, that is the most legendary post in the 5 years that I have been on this board.
Bernard McHugh. :o I nearly fell off the chair laughing. I had forgot all about him ;D
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Are you sure that isn't Gabriel Hurl?
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Are you sure that isn't Gabriel Hurl?
Is that Gaberiel on the left?
Imagine having Daniel O'Connell and Daniel O'Donnell mentioned not only in the same context as great figures but actually listed consecutively.
Despite the current plight of religion how come some one like Saint Colmcille doesn't get a mention, is it because he wasn't in a boy band?
RTE had a good opportunity to copy a BBC idea and make a decent job of it. Instead it is already an embarrassment as they seem to confuse celebrity with relevance.
Quote from: Olly on March 24, 2010, 10:01:47 AM
I notice that there are no religious figures. Surely with a country so enshrined in religion, we should have?
Fr Neil Horan...
QuoteDespite the current plight of religion how come some one like Saint Colmcille doesn't get a mention, is it because he wasn't in a boy band?
Actually Colmcille was in a band before he became a Saint.
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No T Fearon? I'm sure he'll be upset because he won't win it!! :D
Kelvin?
How would you forget about Bernard, feckit?! Sure he's still refusing to stop riding on the crest of his fame:-D
How did John O'Shea make the list?. He is a hopeless footballer.
I feel I should, out of loyalty to where I live, nominate a Carrickmore man. Kurt Cobaine.
Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton or Tom Crean well worthy of mention too
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 24, 2010, 08:48:25 PM
I feel I should, out of loyalty to where I live, nominate a Carrickmore man. Kurt Cobaine.
he's from Pomeroy!!
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 24, 2010, 08:48:25 PM
I feel I should, out of loyalty to where I live, nominate a Carrickmore man. Kurt Cobaine.
Well in that same vein.
Tommy 'Tyrone Tom' McDermott ;D
I doubt you and the Belfast telegraph need to check your geography- the townland of Inisatieve is very definately in Carrickmore;-)
Ireland's greatest figure
http://www.financedublin.com/debtclock.php
No mention of Terry Wogan
Roy Keane
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 25, 2010, 04:41:40 AM
No mention of Terry Wogan
He's Irish??
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http://www.rte.ie/tv/irelandsgreatest/
The top 10 is Stephen Gately, bono, Adi Roche, Mary Robinson, Padraig Pearse, Noel Brown(who is he?), John Hume, Phil Lynnott, Michael Collins, James Connolly. That is probably in reverse order to reflect my opinions.
Noel Brown(who is he?),
He introduced State Health Care with his Mother and Child Scheme, took on the Catholic Church, was expelled from Fianna Fail for not towing the party line, a politician who actually put the people first.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 06, 2010, 12:05:04 PM
http://www.rte.ie/tv/irelandsgreatest/
The top 10 is Stephen Gately, bono, Adi Roche, Mary Robinson, Padraig Pearse, Noel Brown(who is he?), John Hume, Phil Lynnott, Michael Collins, James Connolly. That is probably in reverse order to reflect my opinions.
Holy Jesus!
Dinny, without having googled it I think Noel Browne was a Clanna Poblachta TD. A bit of a trendy cause celebre choice imo but still a valid enough choice.
Personally have time only for Pearse , Connolly and Lynnott on the list.
I suppose I knew who he was but still a fairly obscure choice. The free health service hasn't done me any favours so I won't be voting for him.
Apologies Dinny, acc to Wiki he was kicked out of FF also.
Go Noel Browne. Surprised that he is there (i.e. that people knew about him when you have Gately in the top ten) but he has left a long legacy in Ireland.
From Wiki
Browne was a controversial public representative and managed to be a TD for five different political parties (two of which he co-founded). These were Clann na Poblachta (expelled), Fianna Fáil (expelled), National Progressive Democrats (co-founder), Labour Party (expelled) and the Socialist Labour Party (co-founder).
However during his term as Minister for Health, Browne would come in conflict with the Catholic Church and the medical profession over the Mother and Child Scheme. This plan, also introduced by the 1947 Health Act, provided for state-funded healthcare, a move which was regarded as radical at the time.
For all this he gets my vote.
The top five will have a short piece that will be aired on the Turbidy Late Late in Autumn.
An alternative view of Browne is that while a fashionable hero in trendy circles, in reality he was a self-serving fool. He didn't understand the art of politics, the need for compromise to achieve progress, the value of negotiation, the necessity for alliances or the futility of attempting to install dogma as policy. And he didnt achieve the introduction of socialised medical care - he only succeeded in bringing down a government over it. It was a later FF government, not including him that introduced limited public healthcare.
He seemed to care more about getting one over on the Catholic hierarchy than about achieving any significant improvement in the healthcare provision for the most needy. He could have achieved significant results if he'd been prepared to act like a politician instead of a prima donna.
QuoteAn alternative view of Browne is that while a fashionable hero in trendy circles, in reality he was a self-serving foo
That would be my view of him anyway
Very harsh there Hardy, considering the grip the Catholic Church had on the state up until the 80s he did well to fight that fight, his Mother and Child scheme lay the foundations for State Health, he was also fundamental in introducing the TB vacine and help found I think the IBTS, to say he didn't achieve any significant improvement in our healthcare provsion based on those two alone is just wrong. He's no Stephen Gately but a worthy candidate in my opinion.
Not seen either of the first two editions of this (not sure I want to see the one on Bono to be honest) but I enjoyed Joe Duffys exploration into James Connolly last night. Although for the life of me I can't understand why he needed to interview Harry Crosbie about capitalism halfway through.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 06, 2010, 03:19:12 PM
Very harsh there Hardy, considering the grip the Catholic Church had on the state up until the 80s he did well to fight that fight, his Mother and Child scheme lay the foundations for State Health, he was also fundamental in introducing the TB vacine and help found I think the IBTS, to say he didn't achieve any significant improvement in our healthcare provsion based on those two alone is just wrong. He's no Stephen Gately but a worthy candidate in my opinion.
I'd be inclined to agree with you Dinny; it's strikes me as ironic that we consistently berate politicians for having no principles, yet castigate them as 'self-serving fools' (sorry Hardy) when they actually stand by what they (say they) believe.
Jesus lads I'll need a little time if you want me to justify something I said six months ago. For now, though - Billy your argument is from the particular to the general. The fact that I think* Browne was a self-serving fool shouldn't lead to the conclusion that I don't believe politicians should have principles.
(Well, thought anyway - now I might say egomaniacal ideologue).
Are you saying that some politicians (in particular) should have principles, while politicians, generally, should not? ;D
Maybe that's what 'm saying, but if it is, it's not what I mean to say!
Have watched 4 out of the 5 episodes. Could not bring myself to watch the one about Bono. No offence to the man, but he is primarily a rock star and a minor human issues activist after that.
Of the 4 others, I would have no issue with any of them being honoured as a tele-vote Greatest.
This is a long drawn out operation by RTE! one program & pick the Greatest, that would save the effort of having to watch Miriam, Joe Duffy & co
What makes a great Irish figure?
Is it achievement, column inches or effect on lives of others?
I'd go for Ernest Thomas Sinton Walton or Mick the Miller.
Hard to look past Dustin the Turkey. He'd get my vote.
The greatest Irish figure is 32.
I must move my tax base to Holland to avoid paying unneccessary taxes in Ireland....then maybe I can get a nomination the next time round.
How could they forget Ireland's greatest....Terry.....no not Wogan....but Phelan ;)
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Quote from: balladmaker on October 19, 2010, 12:32:11 PM
I must move my tax base to Holland to avoid paying unneccessary taxes in Ireland....then maybe I can get a nomination the next time round.
I love this typical hypocrisy.
Ireland trawls the world to get businesses to pay their (reduced) taxes in Ireland, at the expense of the countries of origin of those businesses and in particular the territories where those businesses trade. This set up is now considered vital to the financial viability of the state.
However we are up in arms when another business decides to legally do the same thing, but not in Ireland.
If you want U2 to pay their international taxes their home country then tell Intel and Dell etc to do the same. See where that gets us.
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2010, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 19, 2010, 12:32:11 PM
I must move my tax base to Holland to avoid paying unneccessary taxes in Ireland....then maybe I can get a nomination the next time round.
I love this typical hypocrisy.
Ireland trawls the world to get businesses to pay their (reduced) taxes in Ireland, at the expense of the countries of origin of those businesses and in particular the territories where those businesses trade. This set up is now considered vital to the financial viability of the state.
However we are up in arms when another business decides to legally do the same thing, but not in Ireland.
If you want U2 to pay their international taxes their home country then tell Intel and Dell etc to do the same. See where that gets us.
Well said Muppet, fair play to you.
Another thing Balladmaker - I assume you'll manage the little trifle of wiping out huge national debts for the poorest countries in the world? No bother to ya.
Bono is far from perfect but the lack of credit he gets in Ireland for genuinely huge achievements is disgraceful and typical of our old-style begrudgery which you'd have hoped we'd have grown out of by now.
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2010, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 19, 2010, 12:32:11 PM
I must move my tax base to Holland to avoid paying unneccessary taxes in Ireland....then maybe I can get a nomination the next time round.
I love this typical hypocrisy.
Ireland trawls the world to get businesses to pay their (reduced) taxes in Ireland, at the expense of the countries of origin of those businesses and in particular the territories where those businesses trade. This set up is now considered vital to the financial viability of the state.
However we are up in arms when another business decides to legally do the same thing, but not in Ireland.
If you want U2 to pay their international taxes their home country then tell Intel and Dell etc to do the same. See where that gets us.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on October 19, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2010, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 19, 2010, 12:32:11 PM
I must move my tax base to Holland to avoid paying unneccessary taxes in Ireland....then maybe I can get a nomination the next time round.
I love this typical hypocrisy.
Ireland trawls the world to get businesses to pay their (reduced) taxes in Ireland, at the expense of the countries of origin of those businesses and in particular the territories where those businesses trade. This set up is now considered vital to the financial viability of the state.
However we are up in arms when another business decides to legally do the same thing, but not in Ireland.
If you want U2 to pay their international taxes their home country then tell Intel and Dell etc to do the same. See where that gets us.
Well said Muppet, fair play to you.
Another thing Balladmaker - I assume you'll manage the little trifle of wiping out huge national debts for the poorest countries in the world? No bother to ya.
Bono is far from perfect but the lack of credit he gets in Ireland for genuinely huge achievements is disgraceful and typical of our old-style begrudgery which you'd have hoped we'd have grown out of by now.
I'm sorry but Bono is an absolute dick. The difference between U2 and other companies is that other companies don't pretend to be sanctimonious little pricks. It's very easy for him to tell Ireland, France, the U.K., U.S.A., Germany etc. to cancel debt for African countries. It's very easy for him to do it because it's our tax money which will be required to cancel this debt. If he doesn't want to burden the debt of taxation like the rest of us, he should shut the fck up and bring out a decent song.
Hypocrisy = Bono
Quote from: JohnDenver on October 19, 2010, 11:13:49 AM
Hard to look past Dustin the Turkey. He'd get my vote.
That would be one more than the useless bird got in Europe last time round! ;D
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 19, 2010, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 19, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2010, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 19, 2010, 12:32:11 PM
I must move my tax base to Holland to avoid paying unneccessary taxes in Ireland....then maybe I can get a nomination the next time round.
I love this typical hypocrisy.
Ireland trawls the world to get businesses to pay their (reduced) taxes in Ireland, at the expense of the countries of origin of those businesses and in particular the territories where those businesses trade. This set up is now considered vital to the financial viability of the state.
However we are up in arms when another business decides to legally do the same thing, but not in Ireland.
If you want U2 to pay their international taxes their home country then tell Intel and Dell etc to do the same. See where that gets us.
Well said Muppet, fair play to you.
Another thing Balladmaker - I assume you'll manage the little trifle of wiping out huge national debts for the poorest countries in the world? No bother to ya.
Bono is far from perfect but the lack of credit he gets in Ireland for genuinely huge achievements is disgraceful and typical of our old-style begrudgery which you'd have hoped we'd have grown out of by now.
I'm sorry but Bono is an absolute dick. The difference between U2 and other companies is that other companies don't pretend to be sanctimonious little pricks. It's very easy for him to tell Ireland, France, the U.K., U.S.A., Germany etc. to cancel debt for African countries. It's very easy for him to do it because it's our tax money which will be required to cancel this debt. If he doesn't want to burden the debt of taxation like the rest of us, he should shut the fck up and bring out a decent song.
Hypocrisy = Bono
This is more of it. Bono and U2 pay tax on their earnings in Ireland the same as the rest of us. They pay tax on earnings outside the state, outside the state. Do you understand this?
"he should shut the fck up". According to the documentary there are 3 million people in Africa alive today because he didn't do what people like you want.
Would you put your prejudice above 3 million lives?
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2010, 02:54:37 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 19, 2010, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 19, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2010, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 19, 2010, 12:32:11 PM
I must move my tax base to Holland to avoid paying unneccessary taxes in Ireland....then maybe I can get a nomination the next time round.
I love this typical hypocrisy.
Ireland trawls the world to get businesses to pay their (reduced) taxes in Ireland, at the expense of the countries of origin of those businesses and in particular the territories where those businesses trade. This set up is now considered vital to the financial viability of the state.
However we are up in arms when another business decides to legally do the same thing, but not in Ireland.
If you want U2 to pay their international taxes their home country then tell Intel and Dell etc to do the same. See where that gets us.
Well said Muppet, fair play to you.
Another thing Balladmaker - I assume you'll manage the little trifle of wiping out huge national debts for the poorest countries in the world? No bother to ya.
Bono is far from perfect but the lack of credit he gets in Ireland for genuinely huge achievements is disgraceful and typical of our old-style begrudgery which you'd have hoped we'd have grown out of by now.
I'm sorry but Bono is an absolute dick. The difference between U2 and other companies is that other companies don't pretend to be sanctimonious little pricks. It's very easy for him to tell Ireland, France, the U.K., U.S.A., Germany etc. to cancel debt for African countries. It's very easy for him to do it because it's our tax money which will be required to cancel this debt. If he doesn't want to burden the debt of taxation like the rest of us, he should shut the fck up and bring out a decent song.
Hypocrisy = Bono
This is more of it. Bono and U2 pay tax on their earnings in Ireland the same as the rest of us. They pay tax on earnings outside the state, outside the state. Do you understand this?
"he should shut the fck up". According to the documentary there are 3 million people in Africa alive today because he didn't do what people like you want.
Would you put your prejudice above 3 million lives?
It's not a prejudice it's an opinion. This is the same crap all over, I'm sure if it was a tax paying banking executive you would be screaming the house down. It's ridiculous that they get exemptions as artists when they are at the very least multi-millionaires. Tax paid in Ireland could be used for essential services and reducing poverty in Ireland (well in principle, as this government seem intent on giving billions more to the banks, but that's a different discussion).
Why should the rest of us put our money where his mouth is, when he doesn't.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 19, 2010, 03:04:44 PM
It's not a prejudice it's an opinion. This is the same crap all over, I'm sure if it was a tax paying banking executive you would be screaming the house down. It's ridiculous that they get exemptions as artists when they are at the very least multi-millionaires. Tax paid in Ireland could be used for essential services and reducing poverty in Ireland (well in principle, as this government seem intent on giving billions more to the banks, but that's a different discussion).
Why should the rest of us put our money where his mouth is, when he doesn't.
You don't seem to understand this.
His mouth has kept 3 million people alive. You want him to shut it.
He pays tax in Ireland like me and you and your bank executives. Your ideology on forcing U2 to pay foreign earnings here would bankrupt the State if it was applied to all businesses.
One reason why developed countries should cut/wipe out these debts is because they have raped the poorer countries of their resources to help their own development. Did you conveniently forget that in your xenophobic rant?
3 million people. Just think about that.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 19, 2010, 03:18:05 PM
Spot on Muppet but it doesn't change the fact that Bono is terribly annoying.
Not denying that at all. I'm a fan and he annoys me especially at concerts when he is not singing.
However I can't ignore the work he has done.
As an aside I've seen two of those (Bono and John Hume) and as stand alone documentaries they are brilliant and very persuasive. Dave Fanning proves himself a match for any journalist. BTW I think Bono would vote for John Hume as would I.
I was in Johnny Foleys Irish house in SF yesterday for a sup in the afternoon (and I won't lie I'll probably be back in it today too), and I noticed that somewhere down the line they'd taken all the figures from that poster I am sure all of you have seen somewhere (irelands greatest writers), and they'd had all the portraits individually painted and hung about the place. Greats like George Bernard shaw, Brendan Behan, Willie B. Yeats etc.
Well just outside the toilets to the left they have a huge oil canvas of Bono, and just above the jacks a huge one of Liam Neeson.
Bono's efforts can't be ignored in my opinion.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 19, 2010, 03:18:46 PM
One reason why developed countries should cut/wipe out these debts is because they have raped the poorer countries of their resources to help their own development. Did you conveniently forget that in your xenophobic rant?
3 million people. Just think about that.
ARE YOU f**king TALKING TO ME????That has just made my blood boil >:(
I wasn't being xenophobic, I think Bono its a hypocrit. He wants other people to foot a bill he is unwilling to foot himself. I believe in cutting third world debt, but arrogant pricks like Bono should be willing to give up tax exemptions and not seek to move to tax havens etc. to avoid tax that could go toward Ireland's aid fund or towards poverty in Ireland, I couldn't give a flying fck if any band who
don't preach all day every day want to maxise their income.
3 million has nothing to do with Bono being a hypocrit.
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2010, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 19, 2010, 03:04:44 PM
It's not a prejudice it's an opinion. This is the same crap all over, I'm sure if it was a tax paying banking executive you would be screaming the house down. It's ridiculous that they get exemptions as artists when they are at the very least multi-millionaires. Tax paid in Ireland could be used for essential services and reducing poverty in Ireland (well in principle, as this government seem intent on giving billions more to the banks, but that's a different discussion).
Why should the rest of us put our money where his mouth is, when he doesn't.
You don't seem to understand this.
His mouth has kept 3 million people alive. You want him to shut it.
He pays tax in Ireland like me and you and your bank executives. Your ideology on forcing U2 to pay foreign earnings here would bankrupt the State if it was applied to all businesses.
You don't seem to get it.
I don't want to force Bono or U2 to pay in Ireland (well especially not the rest of the band), Bono should want to pay his taxes in Ireland and give up exemptions so his tax money can be used to combat poverty in Ireland and abroad through Irish aid fund.
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2010, 03:22:25 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on October 19, 2010, 03:18:05 PM
Spot on Muppet but it doesn't change the fact that Bono is terribly annoying.
Not denying that at all. I'm a fan and he annoys me especially at concerts when he is not singing.
However I can't ignore the work he has done.
As an aside I've seen two of those (Bono and John Hume) and as stand alone documentaries they are brilliant and very persuasive. Dave Fanning proves himself a match for any journalist. BTW I think Bono would vote for John Hume as would I.
Wrecks my head.
Didn't Charlie Haughey bring in a rule that Irish Artists didn't have to pay taxes?
Quote from: ross4life on October 19, 2010, 07:21:42 PM
Didn't Charlie Haughey bring in a rule that Irish Artists didn't have to pay taxes?
Yes, but its daft that millionaires can get this as well as struggling artists.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 19, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 19, 2010, 07:21:42 PM
Didn't Charlie Haughey bring in a rule that Irish Artists didn't have to pay taxes?
Yes, but its daft that millionaires can get this as well as struggling artists.
Well Charlie was never the best for thinking things out
Quote from: ross4life on October 19, 2010, 07:26:35 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 19, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 19, 2010, 07:21:42 PM
Didn't Charlie Haughey bring in a rule that Irish Artists didn't have to pay taxes?
Yes, but its daft that millionaires can get this as well as struggling artists.
Well Charlie was never the best for thinking things out
Thats Rubbish Ross4life, Charlie was a genuis for thinking things out, he always made sure that the people he cared about got the best that this world had to offer. To be honest Charlie only cared about Charlie.
Miriam on again tonight there touting for Hume....quite a good programme actually...I think Hume would be a deserving winner but Bono and Big Bird....not so sure about them two.
BTW I reckon Miriam sounds like I would imagine one of Ross O'Carroll Kelly's "bords" would sound like.....rooysh!!
QuoteI'm sorry but Bono is an absolute dick. The difference between U2 and other companies is that other companies don't pretend to be sanctimonious little pricks. It's very easy for him to tell Ireland, France, the U.K., U.S.A., Germany etc. to cancel debt for African countries. It's very easy for him to do it because it's our tax money which will be required to cancel this debt. If he doesn't want to burden the debt of taxation like the rest of us, he should shut the fck up and bring out a decent song.
Hypocrisy = Bono
Well said indeed.
QuoteAnother thing Balladmaker - I assume you'll manage the little trifle of wiping out huge national debts for the poorest countries in the world? No bother to ya.
Who did the above? Are you really suggesting that Bono wiped out the national debt of the poorest countries single handedly....wise up ffs. If you believe that and the crap spouted by Dave Fanning the other night, then you really are naive beyond belief.
And to answer your flippant question, aye, if I had a couple of hundred million in the bank, the media platform and the time to do it, then I'd give it a go. Until then, I'll continue to do my bit via Trocaire.
John Boland wrote a great piece on the indo a few weeks back about Fannings puke inducing program on Bono. How anyone could think this arrogant p***k is anything other than a self publicist I will never know. (queue the people calling me a typical begrudger etc). He drinks tea with mass murderers and and religious nut cases with their finger on the nuclear button. His sickening preaching at gigs makes me mad, especially when most times he doesn't have a clue what he is on about. The greatest ever Irishman?? - jesus f**king christ!!!
btw - its a stupid bloody program anyway but at least the others on it have pretty much given everything they had for Ireland.
I like turtles.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 19, 2010, 11:49:30 PM
Caught a bit of the Hume one there.
Miriam was telling a great story about how Hume was to meet the IRA so they "picked him up bungled him into a car blindfolded him and drove across the border to the meeting place. Hume noticed the meeting was being recoreded and walked out, he wasn't going to be part of a propaganda campaign".ENDS
??? What happened when he walked out? Why all the bundleing and blindfolding and smuggling across the border (checkpoints were very secure then) just to let the guy walk out? Did he grab a taxi or something?
Don't let little details like that get in the way of a good story! Maybe he walked back in again and asked to be bungled into the car and drove home?
A blindfold over your eyes leaves everyone blind.
IRA bungling gave birth to the peace process.
Miriam's accent is getting worse!
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 20, 2010, 10:49:59 AM
Miriam's accent is getting worse!
Yes - almost unlistenable-to at this stage. More cringe-making than Hardy Bucks and Jedward combined, directed by Marty Morrissey doing impressions of Ryle Nugent.
In 1979, Irish diplomat David Nelligan, stated that John Hume supported the introduction of internment. Nelligan wrote that Hume's thoughts "were evidently running towards the idea of internment as a solution to the IRA violence".
Nelligan said that Hume suggested: "The authorities could publish names of suspected members of illegal organisations and require them to announce publicly that they had severed all connections with those bodies, or alternatively be interned."
While I agree that the Peace Process only came about with the hard work of the Hume/Adams talks; considering his initial support for the idea of internment, and his very own idea/concept of Irish post-nationalism which all but intimated an indifference to british involvement in Ireland, then for me, John Hume as the greatest ever Irishman?
Not a chance.
For me I would vote
Hume 1. Collins 2.
But sure there was many not on the list, I'd have a Mayopeople on that list, Grace O'Malley or Micheal Davitt. One of the Ulster Earls (despite my slagging earlier in the year). if I took a Unionist perspective (not my own, but they Irish too) then you could look at the Duke of Wellington. How about St. Colmcille (I am an Atheist) but his work kickstarted the respread of learning throughout Europe and beyond. Is Irish just restricted to Ireland or Irish born, because there is great men like Bernardo O'Higgins, Admiral Brown, the men of the San Padros or Che Guvera. Or are we talking about powerful people like U.S. presidents or the Marshal of France and later their President.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 20, 2010, 12:46:38 PM
For me I would vote
Hume 1. Collins 2.
But sure there was many not on the list, I'd have a Mayopeople on that list, Grace O'Malley or Micheal Davitt. One of the Ulster Earls (despite my slagging earlier in the year). if I took a Unionist perspective (not my own, but they Irish too) then you could look at the Duke of Wellington. How about St. Colmcille (I am an Atheist) but his work kickstarted the respread of learning throughout Europe and beyond. Is Irish just restricted to Ireland or Irish born, because there is great men like Bernardo O'Higgins, Admiral Brown, the men of the San Padros or Che Guvera. Or are we talking about powerful people like U.S. presidents or the Marshal of France and later their President.
Really? Hume never paid any taxes in Ireland.
:D
I knew a girl from Lurgan once. She had one of Ireland's greatest figures, I greatly regret becoming more familiar with her figure.
Quote from: muppet on October 20, 2010, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 20, 2010, 12:46:38 PM
For me I would vote
Hume 1. Collins 2.
But sure there was many not on the list, I'd have a Mayopeople on that list, Grace O'Malley or Micheal Davitt. One of the Ulster Earls (despite my slagging earlier in the year). if I took a Unionist perspective (not my own, but they Irish too) then you could look at the Duke of Wellington. How about St. Colmcille (I am an Atheist) but his work kickstarted the respread of learning throughout Europe and beyond. Is Irish just restricted to Ireland or Irish born, because there is great men like Bernardo O'Higgins, Admiral Brown, the men of the San Padros or Che Guvera. Or are we talking about powerful people like U.S. presidents or the Marshal of France and later their President.
Really? Hume never paid any taxes in Ireland.
I'm sure he paid them in Northern Ireland, which is part of the Island of IRELAND.
Bono is still a dick btw.
I would vote for Hume if it meant we never seen Miriam on TV ever again!
Quote from: ross4life on October 20, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
I would vote for Hume if it meant we never seen Miriam on TV ever again!
You don't like Miriam! Ross.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 20, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 20, 2010, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 20, 2010, 12:46:38 PM
For me I would vote
Hume 1. Collins 2.
But sure there was many not on the list, I'd have a Mayopeople on that list, Grace O'Malley or Micheal Davitt. One of the Ulster Earls (despite my slagging earlier in the year). if I took a Unionist perspective (not my own, but they Irish too) then you could look at the Duke of Wellington. How about St. Colmcille (I am an Atheist) but his work kickstarted the respread of learning throughout Europe and beyond. Is Irish just restricted to Ireland or Irish born, because there is great men like Bernardo O'Higgins, Admiral Brown, the men of the San Padros or Che Guvera. Or are we talking about powerful people like U.S. presidents or the Marshal of France and later their President.
Really? Hume never paid any taxes in Ireland.
I'm sure he paid them in Northern Ireland, which is part of the Island of IRELAND.
Bono is still a dick btw.
Have you seen the Southpark episode about Bono? he's probably a decent guy & Fair play to him he's done loads for charity.. though Bob Geldorf influenced him a lot
The USA did a similar thing 5 years ago
Top 10 greatest Americans
1 Ronald Reagan
2 Abraham Lincoln
3 Martin Luther King
4 George Washington
5 Benjamin Franklin
6 George W Bush
7 Bill Clinton
8 Elvis Presley
9 Oprah Winfrey
10 Franklin D Roosevelt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4631421.stm
Strange choices in that list don't you think?
Yeah!! John Hume won.
John Hume
I have to say I agree. Derry wins out.
Miriam said that his winning was like having one of her children, I would have thought it a more unique experience!
The man who argued for the introduction of internment and who coined the philosophy of post-nationalism (acceptance of/indifference to the partition of Ireland) has won a competition for Greatest Irish person ever?
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It's on a par with Stephen Gatley having made the top 10. Laughable.
you my man, (Nally Stand) are a complete idiot if you dont realise what John Hume achieved for the North. Stop living in the 70's. Tube
Quote from: armaghniac on October 22, 2010, 11:15:51 PM
John Hume
I have to say I agree. Derry wins out.
Miriam said that his winning was like having one of her children, I would have thought it a more unique experience!
Now that Miriam won i hope she Fucks off the TV for good!
Quote from: swing-er-over on October 22, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
you my man, (Nally Stand) are a complete idiot if you dont realise what John Hume achieved for the North. Stop living in the 70's. Tube
As stated in a previous post, I do realise that he, along with Gerry Adams, brought about the start of the peace process, however I also think that the fact that he argued for the introduction of internment without trial of young nationalists and his invention of post-nationalism makes him an unjust winner of such a (admittedly pathetic) competition. Can you not discuss things without personal abuse no?
Good man Nally Stand, you obviously believe without question everything which unnamed Dublin civil servants claim. Hume was actually arrested on an anti internment protest in Derry in 1971, and was famously photographed after being soaked by a water cannon fired by the British Arny at the time. He is in poor health now, and not in a position to answer anonymous smears delivered decades later. Adams and McGuinness know what he contributed and have said so. Perhaps he could be given just a little credit for his work while he is still with us.
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 22, 2010, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: swing-er-over on October 22, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
you my man, (Nally Stand) are a complete idiot if you dont realise what John Hume achieved for the North. Stop living in the 70's. Tube
As stated in a previous post, I do realise that he, along with Gerry Adams, brought about the start of the peace process, however I also think that the fact that he argued for the introduction of internment without trial of young nationalists and his invention of post-nationalism makes him an unjust winner of such a (admittedly pathetic) competition. Can you not discuss things without personal abuse no?
... strange then that Gerry has such high regard for Hume. First I ever heard that Hume called for interment of nationalists tho not that long ago since Martin McGuinness was telling people to inform to the police and calling those doing wat Sinn Fein not that long ago supported as 'traitors.'
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 22, 2010, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: swing-er-over on October 22, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
you my man, (Nally Stand) are a complete idiot if you dont realise what John Hume achieved for the North. Stop living in the 70's. Tube
As stated in a previous post, I do realise that he, along with Gerry Adams, brought about the start of the peace process, however I also think that the fact that he argued for the introduction of internment without trial of young nationalists and his invention of post-nationalism makes him an unjust winner of such a (admittedly pathetic) competition. Can you not discuss things without personal abuse no?
I never thought I'd see the day when people, republicans, believed West-Brit propaganda. Tell us all about your knowledge of his stance on internment
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 22, 2010, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: swing-er-over on October 22, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
you my man, (Nally Stand) are a complete idiot if you dont realise what John Hume achieved for the North. Stop living in the 70's. Tube
As stated in a previous post, I do realise that he, along with Gerry Adams, brought about the start of the peace process, however I also think that the fact that he argued for the introduction of internment without trial of young nationalists and his invention of post-nationalism makes him an unjust winner of such a (admittedly pathetic) competition. Can you not discuss things without personal abuse no?
Maybe it should have been given to Gerry?
Toradh den scoth
Quote from: Oldhacker on October 22, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
Good man Nally Stand, you obviously believe without question everything which unnamed Dublin civil servants claim. Hume was actually arrested on an anti internment protest in Derry in 1971, and was famously photographed after being soaked by a water cannon fired by the British Arny at the time. He is in poor health now, and not in a position to answer anonymous smears delivered decades later. Adams and McGuinness know what he contributed and have said so. Perhaps he could be given just a little credit for his work while he is still with us.
The "nameless" person's name was David Nelligan. And I, twice already on this thread, have given him more than a little credit. I have twice stated that he was one of the key instigators of the peace process. That's more than small praise. I do not however, for the reasons given, believe he is Ireland's Greatest ever person.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 22, 2010, 11:57:42 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 22, 2010, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: swing-er-over on October 22, 2010, 11:42:58 PM
you my man, (Nally Stand) are a complete idiot if you dont realise what John Hume achieved for the North. Stop living in the 70's. Tube
As stated in a previous post, I do realise that he, along with Gerry Adams, brought about the start of the peace process, however I also think that the fact that he argued for the introduction of internment without trial of young nationalists and his invention of post-nationalism makes him an unjust winner of such a (admittedly pathetic) competition. Can you not discuss things without personal abuse no?
Maybe it should have been given to Gerry?
No, why?
My mum was talking to John Hume at a funeral last week and congratulated him on the programme - he urged her to vote, sounded like it meant a lot to him.
Sad to see that old age is catching up with him too quickly these days but heartwarming to hear of the care the people of Derry are taking of him.
Who was 2nd 3rd 4th..........
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
In fairness, not when he was trying to get aul dolls at funerals to vote for him in this heap of shit.
Hume's current condition might not lend itself to his old dignity.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
In fairness, not when he was trying to get aul dolls at funerals to vote for him in this heap of shit.
You calling Rois's ma and aul doll? Controversial.
Given that this has been relayed third-hand, he could well have said "I hope you've voted for me" or something similar in joking manner. I can't imagine him (or anyone else) actively canvassing.
Nally Stand, you said it was a`fact' that Hume supported the introduction of internment. You now know that he was attacked by the British Army on an anti-internment demonsration in Derry in 1971. Your only evidence to the contrary is a claim in an Phoblacht, Sinn Fein's party organ, from a Dublin civil servant whose name is unknown to the vast majority of the population. Neither Gerry Adams nor Martin McGuinness have ever supported this allegation. Would you care to reconsider your definition of a fact ?
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 12:28:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 23, 2010, 12:27:02 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2010, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
In fairness, not when he was trying to get aul dolls at funerals to vote for him in this heap of shit.
You calling Rois's ma and aul doll? Controversial.
I knew that was coming. Probably true though. Rois is a qualified accountant, must be near 40.
Ziggy will consult his dossier before confirming...
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
I know nothing of David Nelligan other than that he was (not according to An Phoblacht, but according to the Belfast Telegraph) a "senior" Irish Government official who's remarks were revealed in papers released under the 30 year rule (hence, hardly a claim he made for "west-brit propaganda" purposes, or else his remarks would have been made in public at the time). Whether his claims are true are not isn't even relevant. The fact that there is even good reason to believe he initially supported the introduction of internment, in my view, should rule him out of winning such an award. I have also stated that his self styled philosophy of post-nationalism would also be enough to rule him out for me.
And
again can I say that I don't think he is in ANY WAY a bad person. He clearly isn't. But greater than James Connolly? Padraig Pearse? Rodger Casement? Wolfe Tone? St Patrick? St Bridget? St Colmcille? Oliver Plunkett?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html)
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 23, 2010, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
I know nothing of David Nelligan other than that he was (not according to An Phoblacht, but according to the Belfast Telegraph) a "senior" Irish Government official who's remarks were revealed in papers released under the 30 year rule (hence, hardly a claim he made for "west-brit propaganda" purposes, or else his remarks would have been made in public at the time). Whether his claims are true are not isn't even relevant. The fact that there is even good reason to believe he initially supported the introduction of internment, in my view, should rule him out of winning such an award. I have also stated that his self styled philosophy of post-nationalism would also be enough to rule him out for me.
And again can I say that I don't think he is in ANY WAY a bad person. He clearly isn't. But greater than James Connolly? Padraig Pearse? Rodger Casement? Wolfe Tone? St Patrick? St Bridget? St Colmcille? Oliver Plunkett?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html)
St Patrick wasn't Irish.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 23, 2010, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 23, 2010, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
I know nothing of David Nelligan other than that he was (not according to An Phoblacht, but according to the Belfast Telegraph) a "senior" Irish Government official who's remarks were revealed in papers released under the 30 year rule (hence, hardly a claim he made for "west-brit propaganda" purposes, or else his remarks would have been made in public at the time). Whether his claims are true are not isn't even relevant. The fact that there is even good reason to believe he initially supported the introduction of internment, in my view, should rule him out of winning such an award. I have also stated that his self styled philosophy of post-nationalism would also be enough to rule him out for me.
And again can I say that I don't think he is in ANY WAY a bad person. He clearly isn't. But greater than James Connolly? Padraig Pearse? Rodger Casement? Wolfe Tone? St Patrick? St Bridget? St Colmcille? Oliver Plunkett?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html)
St Patrick wasn't Irish.
You could argue likewise for James Connolly if you were that way inclined but I think our National Saint is worthy of 'honorary citizenship', don't you?
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 23, 2010, 12:49:25 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 23, 2010, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 23, 2010, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
I know nothing of David Nelligan other than that he was (not according to An Phoblacht, but according to the Belfast Telegraph) a "senior" Irish Government official who's remarks were revealed in papers released under the 30 year rule (hence, hardly a claim he made for "west-brit propaganda" purposes, or else his remarks would have been made in public at the time). Whether his claims are true are not isn't even relevant. The fact that there is even good reason to believe he initially supported the introduction of internment, in my view, should rule him out of winning such an award. I have also stated that his self styled philosophy of post-nationalism would also be enough to rule him out for me.
And again can I say that I don't think he is in ANY WAY a bad person. He clearly isn't. But greater than James Connolly? Padraig Pearse? Rodger Casement? Wolfe Tone? St Patrick? St Bridget? St Colmcille? Oliver Plunkett?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html)
St Patrick wasn't Irish.
You could argue likewise for James Connolly if you were that way inclined but I think our National Saint is worthy of 'honorary citizenship', don't you?
I doubt he'd be too bothered either way.
James Connolly gave up his life for the cause he believed in.
John Hume put himself in real risk of doing the same.
Mary Robinson, gave up Ireland for a better job.
Bono doesnt even give up his taxes for Ireland.
Is there someone else.
I'm glad Hume got it just to spite Nally Stand because he took all the risks.
Oldhacker, was it Magilligan Strand?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 23, 2010, 10:27:51 AM
I'm glad Hume got it just to spite Nally Stand because he took all the risks.
Oldhacker, was it Magilligan Strand?
Unlike James Connolly, who took no risks whatsoever?
The whole thing is a load of shite anyway - makes me cringe.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 23, 2010, 10:44:04 AM
The whole thing is a load of shite anyway - makes me cringe.
Couldn't agree more. FFS Stephen Gatley in the top ten ::)
Quote from: fearglasmor on October 23, 2010, 09:59:49 AM
James Connolly gave up his life for the cause he believed in.
John Hume put himself in real risk of doing the same.
Mary Robinson, gave up Ireland for a better job.
Bono doesnt even give up his taxes for Ireland.
Is there someone else.
Ya the Great Mick Collins murdered by traitors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0huRx8Ggshc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0huRx8Ggshc&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMo43fS782A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMo43fS782A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rShV4aqGQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rShV4aqGQ&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKMbWUieQE4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKMbWUieQE4&feature=related)
Quote from: Zapatista on October 23, 2010, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on October 23, 2010, 09:59:49 AM
James Connolly gave up his life for the cause he believed in.
John Hume put himself in real risk of doing the same.
Mary Robinson, gave up Ireland for a better job.
Bono doesnt even give up his taxes for Ireland.
Is there someone else.
Connolly achieved none of his goals in giving up his life. Hume achieved something and still lives.
the 1916 leaders goal was to spark the fight for independence, they succeeded.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 23, 2010, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 23, 2010, 12:27:59 PM
the 1916 leaders goal was to spark the fight for independence, they succeeded.
It wasn't Connelly's goal to spark the fight for National independence. Connelly's goal was to create a Republic based on equality not Identity. He failed.
When he walked to the rebellion his goal was to spark the fight.
What was Hume's goal, peace, an end to the divide? That's still not achieved.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 23, 2010, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 23, 2010, 12:43:01 PM
When he walked to the rebellion his goal was to spark the fight.
What was Hume's goal, peace, an end to the divide? That's still not achieved.
He was recruited in 1916 as it would have been an even more divided Country without the Citizens army. He joined in order to put a socialist element to the Proclamation and follow through on that promise. That element of the proclamation was binned shortly after his death. The tri colour was never Connelly's flag and he did not die to create a Republic based on British principles. Connelly did not die to give Brian Lenihan the right to inflict NAMA on the Irish people nor did he die so FF, FG and Labour could hand control of the Irish people to Brussels. He did not die so Ray Burke could give our national resources over to Shell. He did not die to divide the Country and abandon the poor people of the north to a Unionist state nor for SF to take seats in Stormont.
Just to add - he did not die so that Irish people would butcher eachother over a treaty wrote in London.
Very well said Zap, he wouldn't have approved of the idea of Ireland's greatest figure either
Quote from: Zapatista on October 23, 2010, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 23, 2010, 12:43:01 PM
When he walked to the rebellion his goal was to spark the fight.
What was Hume's goal, peace, an end to the divide? That's still not achieved.
He was recruited in 1916 as it would have been an even more divided Country without the Citizens army. He joined in order to put a socialist element to the Proclamation and follow through on that promise. That element of the proclamation was binned shortly after his death. The tri colour was never Connelly's flag and he did not die to create a Republic based on British principles. Connelly did not die to give Brian Lenihan the right to inflict NAMA on the Irish people nor did he die so FF, FG and Labour could hand control of the Irish people to Brussels. He did not die so Ray Burke could give our national resources over to Shell. He did not die to divide the Country and abandon the poor people of the north to a Unionist state nor for SF to take seats in Stormont.
Just to add - he did not die so that Irish people would butcher eachother over a treaty wrote in London.
No, but he achieved his direct goal and what was John Hume's overall goal?
(not that whether or not goals where achieved really matters in determining this silly contest)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1023/1224281826836.html
1 - Hume
2 - Collins
3 - Robinson
4 - Connolly
5 - Bono
Quote from: Zapatista on October 23, 2010, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 23, 2010, 12:43:01 PM
When he walked to the rebellion his goal was to spark the fight.
What was Hume's goal, peace, an end to the divide? That's still not achieved.
He was recruited in 1916 as it would have been an even more divided Country without the Citizens army. He joined in order to put a socialist element to the Proclamation and follow through on that promise. That element of the proclamation was binned shortly after his death. The tri colour was never Connelly's flag and he did not die to create a Republic based on British principles. Connelly did not die to give Brian Lenihan the right to inflict NAMA on the Irish people nor did he die so FF, FG and Labour could hand control of the Irish people to Brussels. He did not die so Ray Burke could give our national resources over to Shell. He did not die to divide the Country and abandon the poor people of the north to a Unionist state nor for SF to take seats in Stormont.
Just to add - he did not die so that Irish people would butcher each other over a treaty wrote in London.
Did he or any of the others in 1916 die for that? You have a peculiar view of the actions of humans and subscribing pass or fail within a prescribed timeline and possibly within a particular ideological perspective.
QuoteThe fact that he is on that list proves how badly he failed.
I didn't listen to this debate on tv, nor have any interest in it, so I am not aware of the argument put forward for regarding Connolly as the greatest Irishman. It was a peculiar list indeed. Connolly was not a man interested in being liked, nor a man who acted accordingly to increase his chances of being liked. He acted as he saw fit according to his ideology, without expectation of success of failure. His success was his response of action to the circumstances of the time and imo, the results of that action have still to be played out.
As a competition, it bordered on the cringeworthy....as individual documentaries, very watchable.....apart from the one about Bono.
John Hume more than deserves his pat on the back, as do the other people shortlisted (with the exception of Bono).
But surely Ireland can come up with a better mechanism for recognising those who have contributed most to their country than a nonsensical competition on RTE.
Quote from: Main Street on October 23, 2010, 03:24:38 PM
Did he or any of the others in 1916 die for that? You have a peculiar view of the actions of humans and subscribing pass or fail within a prescribed timeline and possibly within a particular ideological perspective.
Probably not but none of the others are being discussed.
I've no ideological perspective on their actions nor do I romanticise them or take part in rewriting them. I judge Connelly on his words and actions up to the time he died. I have nothing else to go on. Fair enough about the timeline but I suspect that the game is up for what Connelly hoped and should someone else come along and achieve what Connelly didn't (something I'd love to see happen) then I'd say it will have had little to do with Connelly himself.
Unfettered capitalism / consumerism cheerleaded by the Fianna Fail / PD gogshites has brought us to where we are. I am no socialist but there has to be a better way.
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 23, 2010, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2010, 12:17:55 AM
Nally, tell me what you know of David Nelligan (apart from An Phoblacht).
I remember being at a rally in the early/mid 80s when Maskey said he'd never set foot in Stormont.
But things change and ideals refine themselves. Hume had the good of most at heart.
I know nothing of David Nelligan other than that he was (not according to An Phoblacht, but according to the Belfast Telegraph) a "senior" Irish Government official who's remarks were revealed in papers released under the 30 year rule (hence, hardly a claim he made for "west-brit propaganda" purposes, or else his remarks would have been made in public at the time). Whether his claims are true are not isn't even relevant. The fact that there is even good reason to believe he initially supported the introduction of internment, in my view, should rule him out of winning such an award. I have also stated that his self styled philosophy of post-nationalism would also be enough to rule him out for me.
And again can I say that I don't think he is in ANY WAY a bad person. He clearly isn't. But greater than James Connolly? Padraig Pearse? Rodger Casement? Wolfe Tone? St Patrick? St Bridget? St Colmcille? Oliver Plunkett?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/top-diplomat-thought-hume-wanted-return-of-internment-14616414.html)
I stopped reading this thread at this point.
Nally Stand is right in a way... Hume's name does not belong among those he listed... Instead, as a truly great man of peace, I'd place him alongside the following...
Martin Luther King, Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, and Tenzin Gyatso.
His greatness transcends this country.
Quote from: balladmaker on October 23, 2010, 03:29:24 PM
As a competition, it bordered on the cringeworthy....as individual documentaries, very watchable.....apart from the one about Bono.
John Hume more than deserves his pat on the back, as do the other people shortlisted (with the exception of Bono).
But surely Ireland can come up with a better mechanism for recognising those who have contributed most to their country than a nonsensical competition on RTE.
I think this programme was just meant to be tv entertainment, that's all.
Can't understand how she was overlooked ;)
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