3. Joey
2. BOD
1. Padraig Harrington
Padraig for winning 3 majors out of about 70 he has played in?
Good decision IMO... up with very best in the world and totally down to the individual to take all the pressure and responsibility rather than a team game
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 31, 2009, 11:25:14 PM
Good decision IMO... up with very best in the world and totally down to the individual to take all the pressure and responsibility rather than a team game
Two good summers?
I was flicking channels - what was the top 10 ?
Has he not been in top five for longer than that... maybe not. Who would you give it to Minder?
Quote from: orangeman on December 31, 2009, 11:28:23 PM
I was flicking channels - what was the top 10 ?
Missed some and only seen the top 7:
7. Christy Ring
6. Sonia O'Sullivan
5. Roy Keane
4. George Best
3-1 as above
Dunno what the selection criteria was.
Probably Joey Dunlop or John O'Shea
I saw Vincent O'Brien - no 8 I think he was.
Sean Kelly was there as well.
Quote from: Minder on December 31, 2009, 11:41:45 PM
Probably Joey Dunlop or John O'Shea
Only saw the end of it myself. I thought Barry McGuigan would have been in the top three. Aye, I suppose Joey is a good shout and I'd be more inclined towards non-team sports people. Who the f** is John O'Shea by the way?... the boy that organises the GOAL game for the Third World? ??? or do you mean Jack O'Shea?
Joey Dunlop must certainly rate higher than BOD and I wouldn't argue with anyone putting
him above a man with asterisks against his wins.
was AP McCoy not in the top 10 ?
strange
The 9 sportspeople mentioned so far are excellent i agree, but surely he couldnt have been far away
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 01, 2010, 12:14:26 AM
strange
The 9 sportspeople mentioned so far are excellent i agree, but surely he couldnt have been far away
Strange indeed. Top 5 at least you'd reckon.
easy. surprised he wasn't top 3 even. is it 14 years consecutively now he has been top jockey. thats phenomenal consistency. ( a couple of big words there to start the new year) !
cannot believe joey dunlop merits top 3. Tony McCoy or Mick Kinane easily warrant a place in top 10 ahead of him
Little surprised there was no Gaelic footballer in the top 10
Great jockey,Walsh is better in my opinion. Oh and the sport is fixed
Quote from: haze on January 01, 2010, 12:47:52 AM
cannot believe joey dunlop merits top 3. Tony McCoy or Mick Kinane easily warrant a place in top 10 ahead of him
Little surprised there was no Gaelic footballer in the top 10
Or hurler, the Brits are out to get us
Quote from: Minder on January 01, 2010, 12:57:48 AM
Quote from: haze on January 01, 2010, 12:47:52 AM
cannot believe joey dunlop merits top 3. Tony McCoy or Mick Kinane easily warrant a place in top 10 ahead of him
Little surprised there was no Gaelic footballer in the top 10
Or hurler, the Brits are out to get us
Ring was in it was he not?
Wee Barry would merit a spot too.
Pretty sure Paul McGrath was 10. He was in there somewhere anyway. I'd have thought that Barry McGuigan should have been in there with a shout.
Not a word of Michelle Smith either- how many other Irish sports people hold 4 olympic medals? :P
Quote from: barelegs on January 01, 2010, 01:06:33 AM
Pretty sure Paul McGrath was 10. He was in there somewhere anyway. I'd have thought that Barry McGuigan should have been in there with a shout.
Not a word of Michelle Smith either- how many other Irish sports people hold 4 olympic medals? :P
The funny thing is there are some boyos don't think she was doped up.
10. Paul McGrath
09. Vincent O'Brien
08. Christy Ring
07. Sonia O'Sullivan
06. Sean Kelly
05. Roy Keane
04. George Best
03. Joey Dunlop
02. Brian O'Driscoll
01. Padraig Harrington
QuoteGreat jockey,Walsh is better in my opinion. Oh and the sport is fixed
I agree walsh is a better jockey but purely based on McCoy's unbelievable and potentially insurmountable number of winners i think its more plausible that he could make the top 10
Anyone surprised with Kelly over Roche? I wonder has those doping allegations a number of years ago impacted on people's opinion of him or was Kelly always regarded as a superior rider
Without Michelle Smith De Bruin it's a meaningless poll ;)
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 01, 2010, 01:27:47 AM
Without Michelle Smith De Bruin it's a meaningless poll ;)
At least she used her own supercharged limbs.
Joey Dunlop ffs? There are a whole 3 provinces who think he made tyres.
Quote from: muppet on January 01, 2010, 01:48:00 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 01, 2010, 01:27:47 AM
Without Michelle Smith De Bruin it's a meaningless poll ;)
At least she used her own supercharged limbs.
Joey Dunlop ffs? There are a whole 3 provinces who think he made tyres.
because they think Ireland ends at the border says more about them... Was Mary Peters in the top 100?... although she did compete as British...
I live a long way from the border, but I have huge admiration for Joey Dunlop. He was certainly one of the all times greats of Irish sportsmen. BTW, I have never been on a motorbike. I read an article lately criticising the omission from the list of Dr. Pat O'Callaghan, Olympic Gold Medalist in the Hammer in 1928 and 1932 and deprived of a huge chance of another gold in Berlin in 1936, by political interference by Britain to prevent Ireland's participation in those Olympic games.
Quote from: haze on January 01, 2010, 01:26:39 AM
QuoteGreat jockey,Walsh is better in my opinion. Oh and the sport is fixed
I agree walsh is a better jockey but purely based on McCoy's unbelievable and potentially insurmountable number of winners i think its more plausible that he could make the top 10
Anyone surprised with Kelly over Roche? I wonder has those doping allegations a number of years ago impacted on people's opinion of him or was Kelly always regarded as a superior rider
You are having a laugh, put Walsh up on the donkeys McCoy drives out wins on and see how good he is, Walsh gets steering jobs from Nicholls and Mullins most of the time, McCoy is a different league, Walsh knows it, that's why he stays at home and won't try for the English title
Quote from: Minder on January 01, 2010, 12:57:48 AM
Quote from: haze on January 01, 2010, 12:47:52 AM
cannot believe joey dunlop merits top 3. Tony McCoy or Mick Kinane easily warrant a place in top 10 ahead of him
Little surprised there was no Gaelic footballer in the top 10
Or hurler, the Brits are out to get us
Christy Ring. Were you pissed when you posted this?
QuoteYou are having a laugh, put Walsh up on the donkeys McCoy drives out wins on and see how good he is, Walsh gets steering jobs from Nicholls and Mullins most of the time, McCoy is a different league, Walsh knows it, that's why he stays at home and won't try for the English title
Well maybe i should have said that i slight preference for ruby walsh as a jockey rather than he is better. I did say that McCoy would be more worthy of a place in the top 10.
But to say McCoy is in a different league is pushing it in my opinion. Ruby will re-write the record books for Cheltenham winners.
And for years McCoy as Pipe's stable jockey also benefited from steering jobs
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 01, 2010, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 01, 2010, 01:48:00 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 01, 2010, 01:27:47 AM
Without Michelle Smith De Bruin it's a meaningless poll ;)
At least she used her own supercharged limbs.
Joey Dunlop ffs? There are a whole 3 provinces who think he made tyres.
because they think Ireland ends at the border says more about them... Was Mary Peters in the top 100?... although she did compete as British...
No, because bike racing is more popular in that part of the country and not because of the 1st political insult you can think of.
If Vincent O Brien is worthy of being in the top 10 then he really should be no. 1 - absolutely no questions. His feats over jumps and on the flat and the influence he has had subsequently on the racing world was unparalleled. His status among his peers was unrivalled and he was held in the highest esteem globally. If Best is to be included, then he must be second. One of the greatest exponents ever of probably the most popular sport in the world. Harrington definitely third, for sheer consistency. 3 majors in probably the toughest individual sport is a great return; many great golfers would love to be able to boast thus. For the rest, Sean Kelly's inclusion at the expense of Stephen Roche is surprising but probably correct. BOD as our greatest player should be there on balance, but not as high; of all the sports in the top 10, excepting GAA, rugby is the most niche and least widely played. Same reasons for the great Joey Dunlop. Paul McGrath and Roy Keane worthy of inclusion but what price Pat Jennings or Danny Blanchflower? Sonia was our greatest athlete but was scarcely outstanding on the world stage; why not one of Mick Kinane, Pat Eddery, Kieren Fallon, Aidan O Brien, Ruby Walsh, Tony McCoy instead? Wee Barry - same reasons as for Sonia. If the top 10 are to have an international profile then I wouldn't include GAA personages.
Quote from: mouview on January 01, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
If Vincent O Brien is worthy of being in the top 10 then he really should be no. 1 - absolutely no questions. His feats over jumps and on the flat and the influence he has had subsequently on the racing world was unparalleled. His status among his peers was unrivalled and he was held in the highest esteem globally.
I couldn't agree more. He's practically in a category of his own as regards international sporting status and dominance of his sport as an Irishman.
If it wasn't restricted to humans I'd put O'Brien and Arkle 1 and 2 and have a second divison competition for the rest.
Quote from: Hardy on January 01, 2010, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: mouview on January 01, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
If Vincent O Brien is worthy of being in the top 10 then he really should be no. 1 - absolutely no questions. His feats over jumps and on the flat and the influence he has had subsequently on the racing world was unparalleled. His status among his peers was unrivalled and he was held in the highest esteem globally.
I couldn't agree more. He's practically in a category of his own as regards international sporting status and dominance of his sport as an Irishman.
If it wasn't restricted to humans I'd put O'Brien and Arkle 1 and 2 and have a second divison competition for the rest.
There is no question regarding O'Brien's excellence, or that of his namesake either, but can a horse trainer really be our greatest ever sportsman when he isn't even involved in the action?
How can performances such (for exmple) as Paul McGrath v Italy, Roy Keane v Juventus, Stephen Roche v Alpe Duez or Barry McGuigan v Pedroza be compared with training a horse, albeit to the best standards?
Quote from: muppet on January 01, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 01, 2010, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: mouview on January 01, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
If Vincent O Brien is worthy of being in the top 10 then he really should be no. 1 - absolutely no questions. His feats over jumps and on the flat and the influence he has had subsequently on the racing world was unparalleled. His status among his peers was unrivalled and he was held in the highest esteem globally.
I couldn't agree more. He's practically in a category of his own as regards international sporting status and dominance of his sport as an Irishman.
If it wasn't restricted to humans I'd put O'Brien and Arkle 1 and 2 and have a second divison competition for the rest.
There is no question regarding O'Brien's excellence, or that of his namesake either, but can a horse trainer really be our greatest ever sportsman when he isn't even involved in the action?
How can performances such (for exmple) as Paul McGrath v Italy, Roy Keane v Juventus, Stephen Roche v Alpe Duez or Barry McGuigan v Pedroza be compared with training a horse, albeit to the best standards?
100% agree. The idea that somebody with a pair of binoculars sitting in the stand when the action is taking place can be Irelands greatest sportsperson is lunacy. O Brien was a genius but a coaching genius not a playing genius.
Quote from: Hardy on January 01, 2010, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: mouview on January 01, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
If Vincent O Brien is worthy of being in the top 10 then he really should be no. 1 - absolutely no questions. His feats over jumps and on the flat and the influence he has had subsequently on the racing world was unparalleled. His status among his peers was unrivalled and he was held in the highest esteem globally.
I couldn't agree more. He's practically in a category of his own as regards international sporting status and dominance of his sport as an Irishman.
If it wasn't restricted to humans I'd put O'Brien and Arkle 1 and 2 and have a second divison competition for the rest.
Wat the fuc :o The horse just ran as horses do after getting a dig in the side or slap in the arse. Arkle didn't even know he was in a big race... just galloped
gaelic games gets 1 of the top 10 ??? bolix to that
I was surprised too a Gaelic footballer didn't make top 10. Mick O'Connell would probably have got that.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 01, 2010, 06:46:33 PM
I was surprised too a Gaelic footballer didn't make top 10. Mick O'Connell would probably have got that.
For shame! Sean Purcell or nobody!
Quote from: muppet on January 01, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 01, 2010, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: mouview on January 01, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
If Vincent O Brien is worthy of being in the top 10 then he really should be no. 1 - absolutely no questions. His feats over jumps and on the flat and the influence he has had subsequently on the racing world was unparalleled. His status among his peers was unrivalled and he was held in the highest esteem globally.
I couldn't agree more. He's practically in a category of his own as regards international sporting status and dominance of his sport as an Irishman.
If it wasn't restricted to humans I'd put O'Brien and Arkle 1 and 2 and have a second divison competition for the rest.
There is no question regarding O'Brien's excellence, or that of his namesake either, but can a horse trainer really be our greatest ever sportsman when he isn't even involved in the action?
It's a reasonable question and that's why I was agreeing with mouview's complete statement, including the conditional clause highlighted. The conditions of entry would need to be more tightly defined to allow any possibility of reaching agreement.
For one thing, it depends on the definition of a competitor. Certainly, a horse trainer is closer to being a competitor in the event than, say, a football manager and most people would agree that the trainer's preparation of a horse is probably the most significant factor in its performance. There are unofficial trainers' championships. A horse's "nationality" for competitive purposes (e.g. Ireland v. GB at Cheltenham) is defined by the location of his trainer.
So if we allow O'Brien to be considered a "sportsperson" , there's no doubt (to my mind) that his achievements in his sport eclipse those of all other Irish sports people and those of all other participants in his sport, of whatever nationality.
Likewise, long...fox, I was aware that Arkle didn't qualify as a sportsperson and that was a bit tongue in cheek, but as a performer he was second only to O'Brien in his achievements, in my opinion. And I didn't see anything in the rules about self awareness as a qualifying condition.
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How can performances such (for exmple) as Paul McGrath v Italy, Roy Keane v Juventus, Stephen Roche v Alpe Duez or Barry McGuigan v Pedroza be compared with training a horse, albeit to the best standards?
Likewise, how can Kevin Foley's goal v. Dublin be compared with riding a bike or Ali v. Frazier be compared with Harrington's British Open win or Higgins potting a snooker ball?
Because they performed it. Horse trainers don't run in races.
Quote from: haze on January 01, 2010, 12:47:52 AM
cannot believe joey dunlop merits top 3. Tony McCoy or Mick Kinane easily warrant a place in top 10 ahead of him
Little surprised there was no Gaelic footballer in the top 10
How the blazes is Joey in the Top 3... wouldn't have thought he merit a top 10 to be honest
I'll try this answer:
How many people know who Adrian Mitchell is/was?
Quote from: Hardy on January 01, 2010, 10:50:42 PM
I'll try this answer:
How many people know who Adrian Mitchell is/was?
Poet?
Well done Minder, you got to Google before me ;)
BOd if you tslking about last week's wonder
but if its all time it has to be
1) martin sheridan(5 gold medals)
2)Jack "Nonpareil" Dempsey(1st world PRo box champion)
3)ronnie delany (Won 1500m when it was the world premier event)
I see this programme is repeated tonight at 11.05 on RTE 2.
Probably be the same result this time too. ;D
Quote from: no mo do yakamo on January 02, 2010, 03:26:38 PM
Probably be the same result this time too. ;D
The Lisbon Treaty made that illegal.
AP McCoy is a ridiculous omission.
I also agree with Hardy. If Vincent O Brien is deemed fit to be on the list then he should be the undisputed No 1.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 01, 2010, 06:46:33 PM
I was surprised too a Gaelic footballer didn't make top 10. Mick O'Connell would probably have got that.
sure your only gave to catch the big ball and kick it, no skill in that :P
Quote from: mouview on January 01, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
If Vincent O Brien is worthy of being in the top 10 then he really should be no. 1 - absolutely no questions. His feats over jumps and on the flat and the influence he has had subsequently on the racing world was unparalleled. His status among his peers was unrivalled and he was held in the highest esteem globally. If Best is to be included, then he must be second. One of the greatest exponents ever of probably the most popular sport in the world. Harrington definitely third, for sheer consistency. 3 majors in probably the toughest individual sport is a great return; many great golfers would love to be able to boast thus. For the rest, Sean Kelly's inclusion at the expense of Stephen Roche is surprising but probably correct. BOD as our greatest player should be there on balance, but not as high; of all the sports in the top 10, excepting GAA, rugby is the most niche and least widely played. Same reasons for the great Joey Dunlop. Paul McGrath and Roy Keane worthy of inclusion but what price Pat Jennings or Danny Blanchflower? Sonia was our greatest athlete but was scarcely outstanding on the world stage; why not one of Mick Kinane, Pat Eddery, Kieren Fallon, Aidan O Brien, Ruby Walsh, Tony McCoy instead? Wee Barry - same reasons as for Sonia. If the top 10 are to have an international profile then I wouldn't include GAA personages.
Agreed. There was nobody else on the original nominations list that can claim to truly be the greatest ever in the world at their chosen sport (bar Christy Ring & Mick O'Connell). MV O'Brien was one of the most gifted and talented individuals this country has ever produced. An absolute genius.
Quote from: hardstation on January 02, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2010, 05:38:11 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 01, 2010, 06:46:33 PM
I was surprised too a Gaelic footballer didn't make top 10. Mick O'Connell would probably have got that.
sure your only gave to catch the big ball and kick it, no skill in that :P
Are you still off the drink, Milltown?
Its my birthday, so i'm back on it.
Where did JOSH finish?
would Derek Dalys achievements not be equivalent to dunlops ?
Dont think either should be in top 10 though.
Think that Keith Wood should be in ahead of O'Driscoll too as Wood WAS the Irish team and carried them when they were not half as talented as they are now. O'Driscoll is superb but a stronger supporting cast allows him to look great where Woody looked fantastic with deadwood as support !
McCoy and McGuigan glaring ommissions.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 02, 2010, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: mouview on January 01, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
If Vincent O Brien is worthy of being in the top 10 then he really should be no. 1 - absolutely no questions. His feats over jumps and on the flat and the influence he has had subsequently on the racing world was unparalleled. His status among his peers was unrivalled and he was held in the highest esteem globally. If Best is to be included, then he must be second. One of the greatest exponents ever of probably the most popular sport in the world. Harrington definitely third, for sheer consistency. 3 majors in probably the toughest individual sport is a great return; many great golfers would love to be able to boast thus. For the rest, Sean Kelly's inclusion at the expense of Stephen Roche is surprising but probably correct. BOD as our greatest player should be there on balance, but not as high; of all the sports in the top 10, excepting GAA, rugby is the most niche and least widely played. Same reasons for the great Joey Dunlop. Paul McGrath and Roy Keane worthy of inclusion but what price Pat Jennings or Danny Blanchflower? Sonia was our greatest athlete but was scarcely outstanding on the world stage; why not one of Mick Kinane, Pat Eddery, Kieren Fallon, Aidan O Brien, Ruby Walsh, Tony McCoy instead? Wee Barry - same reasons as for Sonia. If the top 10 are to have an international profile then I wouldn't include GAA personages.
Agreed. There was nobody else on the original nominations list that can claim to truly be the greatest ever in the world at their chosen sport (bar Christy Ring & Mick O'Connell). MV O'Brien was one of the most gifted and talented individuals this country has ever produced. An absolute genius.
All depends on how you view horse training. In my view unless the individual actually performs the skills themselves they can't be considered. Even though O Brien was a genius