By Press Association
A POLICE cover-up surrounding the plastic bullet killing of an innocent woman led to a breakdown in the rule of law, the High Court has heard.
Lawyers for the husband of Nora McCabe claimed officers closed ranks and lied under oath to shield two colleagues from facing murder charges.
It was also contended that video footage from the scene in Belfast 28 years ago "comprehensively destroyed" police accounts of what happened.
Jim McCabe is seeking a court order to quash the decision not to charge the sergeant who fired the fatal round or his commanding chief superintendent with either murder or manslaughter. Both men have since died.
They are also challenging a decision not to prosecute any officers for perjury or attempting to pervert the course of justice at the inquest into Mrs McCabe's death.
The 33-year-old mother of three was killed in July 1981 by a baton round fired as she returned from the shops to her home in Linden Street, west Belfast.
Opening the application for judicial review in front of a three-judge panel, Barry Macdonald QC claimed decision makers must have "taken leave of their senses" to find the case did not meet the standard for prosecuting.
The barrister said the baton round was fired "for no good reason" by a police sergeant from a Land Rover. It fractured Mrs McCabe's skull and she died the next day.
"The shot was fired not just in the presence but also under the direction of the officer commanding the entire police division of west Belfast," Mr Macdonald said.
"The police left the scene, claiming not to have been aware of what had happened, and they subsequently made statements categorically denying any involvement in the incident at Linden Street."
A direction for no prosecution was given largely because it was not clear who fired the baton round.
Mr Macdonald said police gave evidence under oath at the subsequent inquest before the family disclosed that they had a video tape which, he claimed, demolished the officers credibility.
This footage, from a Canadian News crew, was played in court.
Mr Macdonald said despite its emergence, the Director of Public Prosecutions still declined to bring any charges against officers for murder, manslaughter, perjury or attempting to pervert the course of justice. "What these facts reflect, in our submission, apart from obviously the deep personal tragedy for the family, was a breakdown in the rule of law in the legal sense," he claimed.
"The police could shoot an innocent citizen with impunity. They could then engage in a systematic cover-up with impunity, safe in the knowledge that by closing ranks and denying everything they could evade prosecution, essentially because they anticipated their evidence would be accepted in preference to any civilian evidence."
Paul Maguire QC, responding for the DPP, stressed that the coroner who heard witness accounts and viewed the film during the inquest could have reported a view to prosecutors that a criminal offence had been committed.
"That did not occur in this case," Mr Maguire said.
From Belfast Telegraph
ALLEGATIONS of collusion within a "hopelessly incompetent police force" or one which was full of officers who "had no desire to find out the truth" may not be published by the Robert Hamill Inquiry following complaints from lawyers representing individual police officers and the PSNI.
Discussions over joint claims made by British Irish Rights Watch (BIRW) and the Committee of the Administration of Justice (CAJ) are to take place between the inquiry and the various legal teams after objections were raised during yesterday's proceedings.
Charles Adair QC, who represents a number of individual police officers, told the panel that he thought it seemed "unfair" that allegations made in the written closing submission from the human rights bodies would be published in full on the inquiry's website.
He said he had concerns some of these allegations — which have never been made in the course of the inquiry — would "gain prominence" and therefore "taint" the reputation of some of his clients.
On Tuesday the human rights bodies delivered a joint closing submission to the inquiry in which they claimed Mr Hamill's death was either the result of a "hopelessly incompetent police force, incapable of the detection of serious crime" or a police force full of officers who "simply did not care what happened to Robert Hamill and had no desire to find out the truth".
Mr Hamill, a Catholic father-of- three, died in hospital 11 days after he was beaten by a sectarian mob in Portadown in April 1997.
The BIRW and CAJ claimed there was institutionalised sectarianism within the RUC and accused police of collusion in its handling of the murder probe.
Yesterday, Mr Adair said these allegations — some of which were not read out during Tuesday's proceedings — were "outrageous".
Lawyers for the PSNI, and Robert Atkinson — the former reserve constable accused of tipping off Alistair Hanvey, a suspect in the murder of Mr Hamill — also supported Mr Adair's complaint.
Last night a spokeswoman from the Robert Hamill Inquiry said: "The inquiry is committed in principle to placing the contents of all written closing submissions on its website. In specifics to the BIRW submission, the inquiry is consulting with the interested parties' legal representatives and BIRW as to the best way to proceed."
I remember the inquiry into the death of Stephen Lawrence and subsequent cover-up by police in London concluded the Metropolitan force was 'intrinsically racist.' The RUC were intrinsically sectarian but I wouldn't hold out much hope of this being said when report into Robert Hamill murder is released. Wouldn't be politically expedient...
Gnevin & co were all over pints and me a few weeks ago about comments we posted on here about the police in the six and the fact that we didnt trust them, this sort of disgusting carry on is why, too many holdovers are still there, too many murderers reside among their ranks and the British government covered for them.
Bloody Sunday, Omagh, the death of a Catholic cop, killed by his own, the list goes on and on and anyone that thinks the psni is that muc different from the ruc need to have their heads examined, people are still being harassed by these useless fcukers, you know, cops who coddle drug dealers for information and useless peelers watching the scum of the earth wreck about the towns in the north and do nothing.
They will get respect when they earn respect and right now I have nothing but contempt for them and the story outlined above is why I distrust the peelers in the north to this day.
Stew - there is little doubt that the RUC were not even close to being the non partisan police force that northern ireland requires. Its the hanging on to these old notions and refusing to move forward with any sort of faith in the PSNI that I dont get.
I mean at the end of the day, there is blood on Martin and Gerrys hands, however we are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt in our new stormont government?
Quote from: Puckoon on December 10, 2009, 11:04:48 PM
Stew - there is little doubt that the RUC were not even close to being the non partisan police force that northern ireland requires. Its the hanging on to these old notions and refusing to move forward with any sort of faith in the PSNI that I dont get.
I mean at the end of the day, there is blood on Martin and Gerrys hands, however we are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt in our new stormont government?
Why would I have faith in this current rendition of the ruc puck when I have seen with my own eyes the way they treat decent people, people who have never been in trouble in their lives? I am not hanging on to old notions, I have seen their ineptitude first hand and in their own way they are every bit as bad as the ruc were.
I would love to be able to say good things about them because then they would be doing their jobs impartially and to the best of their ability, some of this current breed are lazy, lying scum who go out of their way to harass people out of pettiness.
Nothing wrong with the peelers, Marty and Gerry says so.
Stew-I think you will find that is the nature of the police wherever you go... brutal bully boys whether they are PSNI, Gardai, NYPD, LAPD... pig in a uniform.
Actually, I'd say at this point in time, there is a big difference between the RUC and the PSNI.
Still a way to go before its an all-Ireland police force though.
Quote from: Orior on December 10, 2009, 11:18:25 PM
Actually, I'd say at this point in time, there is a big difference between the RUC and the PSNI. Still a way to go before its an all-Ireland police force though.
Aye they now target foreign nationals instead of Catholics
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:15:28 PM
Stew-I think you will find that is the nature of the police wherever you go... brutal bully boys whether they are PSNI, Gardai, NYPD, LAPD... pig in a uniform.
Ballix fox, sure there are bad eggs here and there on every force but ffs the psni must rip the arse clean out of the ratios of good to bad.
We were brought up respect everyone and the parents never bothered anybody, my sister married into a very republician family and since then she has been scundered as has her husband and children, not a one of them ever had so much more than a speeding ticket against them, yet there they sit, on the side of the road by the heroes in the psni, not so different fronm the bad old days of the ruc eh.
This then spilled over into the lives of my parents, my da was assaulted in his own home because he refused to let a psni officer into his home as he had followed the brother home and wanted to question him on something he knew he had nothing to do with, admitted as much and this was caught on tape, this bastard has vowed to scunder the family, all because he hates my sisters in laws.
Some craic that wha.
No harm on you Stew... but I read that post a few times and haven't a f**ing clue what you are on about ???
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:27:30 PM
No harm on you Stew... but I read that post a few times and haven't a f**ing clue what you are on about ???
It's not that hard fox, there are good and bad people in every walk of life, the psni have more than their share of the latter.
As for the rest, they have scundered families for decades and continue to do so, only they are now branching out to scunder the extended families of those they love to piss about and harass.
Stew I have no time for any police force... I know we need police but its a job does seem to attract a lot of sectarian bullies and racists. I ain't really disagreeing with you here.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
Stew I have no time for any police force... I know we need police but its a job does seem to attract a lot of sectarian bullies and racists. I ain't really disagreeing with you here.
No but I hope you didnt mean they were all bad, it just seemed that way.
I find the police over here in Green Bay sound, the top man in the city lives next to me and I have a lot of respect for him, i also know a few of the officers and they are great lads, we share the same local, a row broke out one night, actually the first row ever in this place and there were over thirty of them in the place, two irishmen rolling around batin the heads of one another and they broke it up, calmed them down and sorted the thing out in no time. Sensible policing and cops with no agenda is what we need, alas it is a far cry from what the north has.
I wonder if they were two black men fighting would they be as understanding ;)
Quote from: Orior on December 10, 2009, 11:18:25 PM
Actually, I'd say at this point in time, there is a big difference between the RUC and the PSNI.
Still a way to go before its an all-Ireland.
:-\
Quote from: hardstation on December 10, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
Stew I have no time for any police force... I know we need police but its a job does seem to attract a lot of sectarian bullies and racists. I ain't really disagreeing with you here.
I find the police over here in Green Bay sound, the top man in the city lives next to me
Where the fcuk was he the night you tried to shoot up a passing car?
The 'passing car' was wrecking my land, my electrical system and cost me a lot of money to repair the damage they caused, the fcukers in the car were drunk and in my mind my family were being attacked.
Funny you should mention that, even though you think you were being smart, the cop that came to the house and checked all my paperwork etc came to our home two weeks ago and informed me that they had got the driver of the car, he is an illegal immigrant and was wanted for criminal trespass, burgulary and destruction of property, he will either be deported or he will do jail time, I would prefer to see the scum sent back to Mexico so he cant hurt anyone else over here.
The cops did their job with me, they interviewed me and I was allowed to get on with my life as i should have been, they came to me, I didnt go to them, they broke the law I didnt and I would do the same thing again because under the law I am entitled to defend my family and my property and I will to the end of my days.
...as my earlier comment... would the cops have been as understanding with two black men fighting? ::)
In the Nora McCabe case it was not a situation where there was rioting and they shot at the poor woman from a distance, they drove across the road to where the woman was walking, pulled up beside her and shot her at point blank range in the head and then the knackers drove away leaving the mother of three, the youngest 3 months, to die on the pavement. And then, just like those in charge of perverted priests what did the RUC do? No police officer out of the eleven in the two jeep patrol were suspended. Three were promoted: one to Assistant Chief Constable, one to Chief Inspector and one to Sergeant. They should have been shot instead.
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2009, 12:58:55 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 10, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
Stew I have no time for any police force... I know we need police but its a job does seem to attract a lot of sectarian bullies and racists. I ain't really disagreeing with you here.
I find the police over here in Green Bay sound, the top man in the city lives next to me
Where the fcuk was he the night you tried to shoot up a passing car?
The 'passing car' was wrecking my land, my electrical system and cost me a lot of money to repair the damage they caused, the fcukers in the car were drunk and in my mind my family were being attacked.
Funny you should mention that, even though you think you were being smart, the cop that came to the house and checked all my paperwork etc came to our home two weeks ago and informed me that they had got the driver of the car, he is an illegal immigrant and was wanted for criminal trespass, burgulary and destruction of property, he will either be deported or he will do jail time, I would prefer to see the scum sent back to Mexico so he cant hurt anyone else over here.
The cops did their job with me, they interviewed me and I was allowed to get on with my life as i should have been, they came to me, I didnt go to them, they broke the law I didnt and I would do the same thing again because under the law I am entitled to defend my family and my property and I will to the end of my days.
If that was here in the south he would probably have got left off with a warning or served a few weeks in jail and realised. And thats if they caught him at all.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on December 11, 2009, 08:00:52 AM
In the Nora McCabe case it was not a situation where there was rioting and they shot at the poor woman from a distance, they drove across the road to where the woman was walking, pulled up beside her and shot her at point blank range in the head and then the knackers drove away leaving the mother of three, the youngest 3 months, to die on the pavement. And then, just like those in charge of perverted priests what did the RUC do? No police officer out of the eleven in the two jeep patrol were suspended. Three were promoted: one to Assistant Chief Constable, one to Chief Inspector and one to Sergeant. They should have been shot instead.
Good comparison... tho no-one calls for RC church to be disbanded.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on December 11, 2009, 09:00:03 AM
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2009, 12:58:55 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 10, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
Stew I have no time for any police force... I know we need police but its a job does seem to attract a lot of sectarian bullies and racists. I ain't really disagreeing with you here.
I find the police over here in Green Bay sound, the top man in the city lives next to me
Where the fcuk was he the night you tried to shoot up a passing car?
The 'passing car' was wrecking my land, my electrical system and cost me a lot of money to repair the damage they caused, the fcukers in the car were drunk and in my mind my family were being attacked.
Funny you should mention that, even though you think you were being smart, the cop that came to the house and checked all my paperwork etc came to our home two weeks ago and informed me that they had got the driver of the car, he is an illegal immigrant and was wanted for criminal trespass, burgulary and destruction of property, he will either be deported or he will do jail time, I would prefer to see the scum sent back to Mexico so he cant hurt anyone else over here.
The cops did their job with me, they interviewed me and I was allowed to get on with my life as i should have been, they came to me, I didnt go to them, they broke the law I didnt and I would do the same thing again because under the law I am entitled to defend my family and my property and I will to the end of my days.
If that was here in the south he would probably have got left off with a warning or served a few weeks in jail and realised. And thats if they caught him at all.
100% correct - know of a case where an ex husband who has hit his wife is now back at times toharass and threaten the terrified woman. the cops and solicitors say theres nothing thy can do - its going to take another murder and another rachael o'reilly type scenario where an obv crazy cnut was allowed to do all - when he could have been stopped long before it seems ....the Irish legal system is as big a joke as the banking system !!
psni are not as bad as ruc - but with the same people in its higher ranks still calling the same kind of shots when and where they can (ie Derry city for example) they are far from being good enough just yet !
Lest we forget, indeed:
http://www.ukpolice.org/rucroll/index.htm
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 11, 2009, 02:14:58 PM
Lest we forget, indeed:
http://www.ukpolice.org/rucroll/index.htm
INDEED >:(
VI
STATE KILLINGS AND MURDERS
Killings by British Security Forces, 1969-76
The second man to die in the Northern Ireland 'troubles' was John Gallagher, a young married man from my own parish of Armagh, the night of 14 August 1969. I live in rooms three storeys up and I had been watching a loyalist crowd massing in the street outside the City Hall where a civil rights' meeting was taking place. The leaders of the meeting, sensing the build-up outside and the heavy concentration of police, told the crowd to leave and disperse to their homes quietly The crowd were directed to the left by the police when they went outside. A short distance away the street had a left turning. Some of the crowd who turned down this street, Cathedral Road, were met by a party of B Special police who fired killing John Gallagher and wounding some others. The Scarman Tribunal into Violence and Civil Disturbances in Northern Ireland in 1969 was satisfied that the police did fire and that one of them did kill Mr Gallagher while others wounded Mr McParland and Mr Moore. After making allowances for the strange, difficult and frightening situation in which the police found themselves, the report said that there was no justification for firing into the crowd. The tribunal placed a measure of responsibility on a police inspector who put an untrained party of police from a country area into an alarming town riot without briefing or leadership. No RUC man has yet been charged with the murder of John Gallagher. On 22 August 1974 I wrote to Mr Merlyn Rees, the Secretary of State, 'On 14 August, 1969, John Gallagher, one of our parishioners, was shot dead in Armagh. Are police investigations still continuing into this fatal shooting?' The reply was that investigations had closed but would be reopened if fresh evidence was obtainable.
The Scarman Report also found unjustified the killing of Patrick Rooney a boy of 9 years, by the police in Belfast. The report states, We are unable to justify the shooting from the Browning machine-gun which was responsible for the death of Patrick Rooney'. On 19 April 1969 police entered the home of Samuel Devenney on a day of rioting in Deny and beat him up in front of his children. He died in hospital in Belfast on 17 July 1969. He was 42 years old. Following an inquiry conducted by Scotland Yard detectives on the instigation of Sir Arthur Young, Chief Constable, Sir Arthur made a statement. He attributed lack of evidence to a 'conspiracy of silence'.
I mention these deaths at the beginning of the present crisis because it is there the rot set in. You could be shot dead on your own street by the British army or the police and nobody would be made amenable for the killing. Since that time some 60 innocent people have been killed in an unjustifiable manner by British government forces - 14 in Derry on 30 January 1972, 6 on the New Lodge Road, Belfast, 3 February 1973, and so on.
On Saturday 15 June 1974, a 22 year-old man, John Pat Cunningham from my parish, really a retarded boy who had the mentality of a 10 year-old child was shot dead by the British army He was afraid of the soldiers, having been beaten up by them on a previous occasion. The army said they called on him to halt before they fired. There was no independent inquiry into his death. He was shot at 120 yards. The officer said he had his hand in his pocket. If he was a gunman, what use would a pistol be at that distance?
Fr Faul and I documented the cases of Leo Norney aged 17 years gunned down by the Black Watch Regiment 13 September 1975, Majella O'Hare aged 12 years gunned down by the Third Parachute Regiment 14 August 1976 on her way to church, Brian Stewart killed by a rubber bullet October 1976.
By their actions in killing 60 innocent civilians, the British army have violated human rights spelled out in The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and The International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights: 'Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of the person' (Article 3 of The Universal Declaration).
'Every human being has the inherent right to life. This rights shall s be protected by law No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life' (Article 6 (1) of the Covenant).
Not only were these innocents - people like Patrick McElhone, Pomeroy County Tyrone, taken out and gunned down in the field in front of his aged parents' house and Brian Smith gunned down by the paratroopers while he stood chatting to friends in Ardoyne - deprived of their lives, but they were slandered by malicious lies promulgated by dishonourable officers that they were gunmen.
Why can agents of the British government kill people manifestly innocent in very suspicious circumstances and never pay any penalty? Are they really operating under the law if they are never effectively made amenable to law? Are they above the law? Is there a conspiracy to make them immune from effective prosecution?
On 7 January 1976, the British Prime Minister Harold Wilson announced the use of the SAS, the Special Air Service Regiment, in Northern Ireland plainclothes irregular units. What the real motive of the British authorities was can only be guessed at but the general idea seems to have been to terrorise the people by assassination, by highly unorthodox and criminal methods contrary to Hague Regulations and Geneva Conventions. Fr Faul and I chronicled the shooting of Peter Cleary taken out from the house of his girlfriend and her relatives and killed in a nearby field. So far in the past year the SAS have gunned down 8 people in cold blood - Colm McNutt and Denis Heaney in Deny Paul Duffy in Cookstown, John Boyle in County Antrim, Jim Mulvenna, Dennis Brown, William John Mailey and a Protestant, William Hanna, in Belfast. This is known as the 'kill, don't question' security policy and is a massive breach of the rule of law.
This is part of a speech delivered by me to Congressmen in Washington DC, 3 October 1978, and to the Ad Hoc Committee for Human Rights in Northern Ireland, Philadelphia, 7 October 1978.
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 11, 2009, 02:14:58 PM
Lest we forget, indeed:
http://www.ukpolice.org/rucroll/index.htm
You truly are pathetic
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 11, 2009, 02:14:58 PM
Lest we forget, indeed:
http://www.ukpolice.org/rucroll/index.htm
God love them, they didn't bring it on themselves by basically starting the Troubles along with that oul bastard Paisley...
Quote from: hardstation on December 11, 2009, 01:21:13 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 11, 2009, 01:11:08 AM
...as my earlier comment... would the cops have been as understanding with two black men fighting? ::)
They were 'two hispanic scumbags' and even had the cheek to claim that stew was a racist.
I dont give two shites if they were black, white, hispanic or double dutch, if you attack the house/family for no reason other than to act the criminal you get what you deserve.
Oh yeah, if you are somewhere illegally and you break the law you deserve to get deported, be you white, black, hispanic, Irish etc.
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 11, 2009, 02:14:58 PM
Lest we forget, indeed:
http://www.ukpolice.org/rucroll/index.htm
Care to comment on the murder of innocent mothers? what about innocent men, what about the damage caused by the B specials you twisted c***.
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2009, 12:58:55 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 10, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
Stew I have no time for any police force... I know we need police but its a job does seem to attract a lot of sectarian bullies and racists. I ain't really disagreeing with you here.
I find the police over here in Green Bay sound, the top man in the city lives next to me
Where the fcuk was he the night you tried to shoot up a passing car?
The 'passing car' was wrecking my land, my electrical system and cost me a lot of money to repair the damage they caused, the fcukers in the car were drunk and in my mind my family were being attacked.
Funny you should mention that, even though you think you were being smart, the cop that came to the house and checked all my paperwork etc came to our home two weeks ago and informed me that they had got the driver of the car, he is an illegal immigrant and was wanted for criminal trespass, burgulary and destruction of property, he will either be deported or he will do jail time, I would prefer to see the scum sent back to Mexico so he cant hurt anyone else over here.
The cops did their job with me, they interviewed me and I was allowed to get on with my life as i should have been, they came to me, I didnt go to them, they broke the law I didnt and I would do the same thing again because under the law I am entitled to defend my family and my property and I will to the end of my days.
What kind of weaponry did you employ?
Quote from: tyssam5 on December 11, 2009, 06:33:47 PM
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2009, 12:58:55 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 10, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
Stew I have no time for any police force... I know we need police but its a job does seem to attract a lot of sectarian bullies and racists. I ain't really disagreeing with you here.
I find the police over here in Green Bay sound, the top man in the city lives next to me
Where the fcuk was he the night you tried to shoot up a passing car?
The 'passing car' was wrecking my land, my electrical system and cost me a lot of money to repair the damage they caused, the fcukers in the car were drunk and in my mind my family were being attacked.
Funny you should mention that, even though you think you were being smart, the cop that came to the house and checked all my paperwork etc came to our home two weeks ago and informed me that they had got the driver of the car, he is an illegal immigrant and was wanted for criminal trespass, burgulary and destruction of property, he will either be deported or he will do jail time, I would prefer to see the scum sent back to Mexico so he cant hurt anyone else over here.
The cops did their job with me, they interviewed me and I was allowed to get on with my life as i should have been, they came to me, I didnt go to them, they broke the law I didnt and I would do the same thing again because under the law I am entitled to defend my family and my property and I will to the end of my days.
What kind of weaponry did you employ?
9 mil handgun, why?
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2009, 07:42:29 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on December 11, 2009, 06:33:47 PM
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2009, 12:58:55 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 10, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 10, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
Stew I have no time for any police force... I know we need police but its a job does seem to attract a lot of sectarian bullies and racists. I ain't really disagreeing with you here.
I find the police over here in Green Bay sound, the top man in the city lives next to me
Where the fcuk was he the night you tried to shoot up a passing car?
The 'passing car' was wrecking my land, my electrical system and cost me a lot of money to repair the damage they caused, the fcukers in the car were drunk and in my mind my family were being attacked.
Funny you should mention that, even though you think you were being smart, the cop that came to the house and checked all my paperwork etc came to our home two weeks ago and informed me that they had got the driver of the car, he is an illegal immigrant and was wanted for criminal trespass, burgulary and destruction of property, he will either be deported or he will do jail time, I would prefer to see the scum sent back to Mexico so he cant hurt anyone else over here.
The cops did their job with me, they interviewed me and I was allowed to get on with my life as i should have been, they came to me, I didnt go to them, they broke the law I didnt and I would do the same thing again because under the law I am entitled to defend my family and my property and I will to the end of my days.
What kind of weaponry did you employ?
9 mil handgun, why?
Just wondering about the distance the bullets would go and where they all ended up? I do respect your right to defend yourself as you see fit on your property, but it a lot of times people can cause danger to neighbors. Mate of mine in Texas ended up with some holes in house and garage wall recently due a neighbor trying to defend his hubcaps.
This was printed the day after we were battered off the road by the c***ts in 1996, it just summed up the attitude of the RUC perfectly.
(http://opal.ukc.ac.uk/cartoonx-cgi/image/standard/PC0153)
Where you there that day? It was terrible... some difference in how they deal (present tense) with loyalist protesters. they reckon a few of the police that day had english accents, as in british soldiers dressed in RUC uniforms. They did that when Maggie Milk Snatcher got the police to beat the striking miners off the roads.
The Holy Cross 'protest' was the most sickening and it was post-Patten. the loyalists threw condoms full of urine at the mothers and their children and other stuff... arrests? not one!! Imagine that had been a nationalist protest.
Yes I was there that day, I got married a few months later and haven't lived in Portadown since. I, unlike my mother and little brother, didn't get a battering from the cops, I was trying to get my paws on the head cop who appeared not too far away from me with no body armour on him.
Since then they got the George Cross or some such award for their heroism... pity you didn't get hold of that head honcho..
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2009, 06:07:30 PM
Oh yeah, if you are somewhere illegally and you break the law you deserve to get deported, be you white, black, hispanic, Irish etc.
Surely if you're "somewhere illegally", you've already broken the law(?)
What was that then EG, a toss and run? ::)