Poll
Question:
Who's the biggest west brit on gaaboard
Option 1: The Real Laoislad
votes: 22
Option 2: Gnevin
votes: 27
Option 3: Other (name them)
votes: 9
Get voting! :P
Juat a quick question, define "West Brit"
'West Briton (adjective West British; both often shortened to West Brit) is a pejorative term for an Irish person who is alleged by the user of the term to be excessively sympathetic to the United Kingdom or who takes his cultural and social cues from Great Britain.
...you know like calling Liverpool FC... 'we' ;)
both are.
at least laoislad has an excuse, most people from laois are west brits.
Is that the same as an East Irelander?
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
'West Briton (adjective West British; both often shortened to West Brit) is a pejorative term for an Irish person who is alleged by the user of the term to be excessively sympathetic to the United Kingdom or who takes his cultural and social cues from Great Britain.
...you know like calling Liverpool FC... 'we' ;)
Does having a Grandad(god rest his soul) who was raised in Liverpool(by Irish parents and was born in Kilkenny) and supported Liverpool FC and passed his love of them onto me give me the right to call them we?
Thats why I started supporting Liverpool.......
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
'West Briton (adjective West British; both often shortened to West Brit) is a pejorative term for an Irish person who is alleged by the user of the term to be excessively sympathetic to the United Kingdom or who takes his cultural and social cues from Great Britain.
...you know like calling Liverpool FC... 'we' ;)
Does having a Grandad(god rest his soul) who was raised in Liverpool(by Irish parents and was born in Kilkenny) and supported Liverpool FC and passed his love of them onto me give me the right to call them we?
Thats why I started supporting Liverpool.......
No
Quote from: pintsofguinness on December 05, 2009, 09:07:06 PM
both are.
at least laoislad has an excuse, most people from laois are west brits.
and Armagh people are just fully Brit......
Quote from: pintsofguinness on December 05, 2009, 09:13:06 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
'West Briton (adjective West British; both often shortened to West Brit) is a pejorative term for an Irish person who is alleged by the user of the term to be excessively sympathetic to the United Kingdom or who takes his cultural and social cues from Great Britain.
...you know like calling Liverpool FC... 'we' ;)
Does having a Grandad(god rest his soul) who was raised in Liverpool(by Irish parents and was born in Kilkenny) and supported Liverpool FC and passed his love of them onto me give me the right to call them we?
Thats why I started supporting Liverpool.......
No
Just as well so your opinion means f**k all to me :)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on December 05, 2009, 09:07:06 PM
both are.
at least laoislad has an excuse, most people from laois are west brits.
and Armagh people are just fully Brit......
And laois people are shit at winding
Quote from: pintsofguinness on December 05, 2009, 09:15:06 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on December 05, 2009, 09:07:06 PM
both are.
at least laoislad has an excuse, most people from laois are west brits.
and Armagh people are just fully Brit......
And laois people are shit at winding
Eh ok.....strange man :-\
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
'West Briton (adjective West British; both often shortened to West Brit) is a pejorative term for an Irish person who is alleged by the user of the term to be excessively sympathetic to the United Kingdom or who takes his cultural and social cues from Great Britain.
...you know like calling Liverpool FC... 'we' ;)
Does having a Grandad(god rest his soul) who was raised in Liverpool(by Irish parents and was born in Kilkenny) and supported Liverpool FC and passed his love of them onto me give me the right to call them we?
Thats why I started supporting Liverpool.......
... is British culture though as defined above. Stop throwing in the emotive stuff too. My Da is dead and buried and loved Celtic, doesn't mean I have to. 'Passed it on to you'... like you had no choice ::) Still don't get the 'we' by the way.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
'West Briton (adjective West British; both often shortened to West Brit) is a pejorative term for an Irish person who is alleged by the user of the term to be excessively sympathetic to the United Kingdom or who takes his cultural and social cues from Great Britain.
...you know like calling Liverpool FC... 'we' ;)
Does having a Grandad(god rest his soul) who was raised in Liverpool(by Irish parents and was born in Kilkenny) and supported Liverpool FC and passed his love of them onto me give me the right to call them we?
Thats why I started supporting Liverpool.......
... is British culture though as defined above. Stop throwing in the emotive stuff too. My Da is dead and buried and loved Celtic, doesn't mean I have to. 'Passed it on to you'... like you had no choice ::) Still don't get the 'we' by the way.
Why do you let it bother you so much?
Have you nothing else to worry about only someone calling a team they support "we" ???
It doesn't bother me :)
I find it hilarious that someone gets upset over it... :D
I always loved that saying......
I remember once on the Late Late years ago Gaybo taking taking a question over the phone and not agreeing with the callers point and ur man saying to him ah sure ur only a west Brit anyway, classic
I always thought West Brits to be Dublin people...
Then I do live in Dublin.......erm :-\
my ugly celeb thread was deleted yet this is still here ::)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
'West Briton (adjective West British; both often shortened to West Brit) is a pejorative term for an Irish person who is alleged by the user of the term to be excessively sympathetic to the United Kingdom or who takes his cultural and social cues from Great Britain.
...you know like calling Liverpool FC... 'we' ;)
Does having a Grandad(god rest his soul) who was raised in Liverpool(by Irish parents and was born in Kilkenny) and supported Liverpool FC and passed his love of them onto me give me the right to call them we?
Thats why I started supporting Liverpool.......
... is British culture though as defined above. Stop throwing in the emotive stuff too. My Da is dead and buried and loved Celtic, doesn't mean I have to. 'Passed it on to you'... like you had no choice ::) Still don't get the 'we' by the way.
Why do you let it bother you so much?
Have you nothing else to worry about only someone calling a team they support "we" ???
It doesn't bother me :)I find it hilarious that someone gets upset over it... :D
Of course it doesn't bother you. It's you that does it ::) Don't bother me either... just find it a bit pathetic
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:43:37 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
'West Briton (adjective West British; both often shortened to West Brit) is a pejorative term for an Irish person who is alleged by the user of the term to be excessively sympathetic to the United Kingdom or who takes his cultural and social cues from Great Britain.
...you know like calling Liverpool FC... 'we' ;)
Does having a Grandad(god rest his soul) who was raised in Liverpool(by Irish parents and was born in Kilkenny) and supported Liverpool FC and passed his love of them onto me give me the right to call them we?
Thats why I started supporting Liverpool.......
... is British culture though as defined above. Stop throwing in the emotive stuff too. My Da is dead and buried and loved Celtic, doesn't mean I have to. 'Passed it on to you'... like you had no choice ::) Still don't get the 'we' by the way.
Why do you let it bother you so much?
Have you nothing else to worry about only someone calling a team they support "we" ???
It doesn't bother me :)I find it hilarious that someone gets upset over it... :D
Of course it doesn't bother you. It's you that does it ::) Don't bother me either... just find it a bit pathetic
Ah I'd say it does bother you
The local paper in Cornwall is the West Briton, found this out when someone called me a West Brit in an argument while travelling (it was an angry drunk anti-semetic, racist, anti-European, Nordie, who vision on peace was reinacting a Conservative Party Conference in Brighton and he anounced that belief in a large group of people from across Europe, including many British). He called me a W.B. after I told him to shut the f**k up you bloody embarrasement. I Got really angry when he retorted that I was a WB, to the amusement of a Cornish couple who where taken aback that it was an insult, them considering Cornish people to be West Britons. The stupid pleb had the nerve to his rant, while wearing a Chelsea FC jersey and me wearing my Mayo jersey.
Kevin My-arse
(http://everydayirishman.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/kevin_myers_640_x_480.jpg)
and the last time I saw Joxer he was saying "who's this Conor Cruise O'Brien"
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01209/conor-cruise-o-bri_1209101f.jpg)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2009, 10:27:36 PM
and the last time I saw Joxer he was saying "who's this Conor Cruise O'Brien"
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01209/conor-cruise-o-bri_1209101f.jpg)
A Traitor if I ever seen one.
Lawro
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01124/mark-lawrenson-liv_1124565c.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmGrVIFGOB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmGrVIFGOB4) :D
If you type West Brit into google images(with safe search turned off) the first image is of a naked lady tweaking her own nips
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 05, 2009, 10:25:08 PM
Kevin My-arse
(http://everydayirishman.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/kevin_myers_640_x_480.jpg)
Annoys the fck out of me, especially the time he was going on about Munster people having the greatest sense of Provincial identity, utter bullshit based on a rugby outlook on the world. Ulster people cannot be written off as not having a distinct identity and similary Connacht people.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 05, 2009, 10:31:47 PM
If you type West Brit into google images(with safe search turned off) the first image is of a naked lady tweaking her own nips
That explains your avatar.
Ed Joyce
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF203/181678.jpg) (http://www.freewebs.com/shamik-das-1/Pictures/Ed-Joyce_Kenya_England_24-03-07.bmp)
Kyran Bracken
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF73/081526.jpg)(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF73/081546.jpg)
Have some of that you traitor!
Irish presenters on UK tv based in Britain who use "we" when referring to something British, they sell their soul for the Kings Shilling, at least Unionists have personal convictions, those prats are just hoaring themselves.
Ballylongford's finest!
(http://www.typophile.com/files/British_kitchener_5923.jpg)
Graham Norton
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 05, 2009, 10:42:49 PM
Irish presenters on UK tv based in Britain who use "we" when referring to something British, they sell their soul for the Kings Shilling, at least Unionists have personal convictions, those prats are just hoaring themselves.
Yea and Kieran McGeeney saying we in Kildare or Micko saying we in Wicklow.
All who play ,support or otherwise further Rugby.
Zig and Zag sold out too
Quote from: Rossfan on December 05, 2009, 10:48:22 PM
All who play ,support or otherwise further Rugby.
:D :D :D
Quote from: Myles Na G. on December 05, 2009, 11:12:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 05, 2009, 10:48:22 PM
All who play ,support or otherwise further Rugby.
:D :D :D
Munster, Leinster & Ulstermen so :D In Connacht its just a way of beefing up players like David Brady.
Any Irish person who supports English soccer clubs should consider themselves a West Brit.
Personally, anyone who uses the term "Freestater". A nasty partitionist slur imo. To be fair though I usually only hear it from the lowlife drunken "fans" at GAA matches and seems to be used only by a very small minority.
Not too impressed either with the wealthier Catholics "distancing "themselves from their pasts by sending their kids to Rugby schools in Belfast.
Oh and the "Dublin 4 accent" (for want of a better term) is not automatically a West Brit/Castle Catholic indicator
Quote from: Canalman on December 06, 2009, 10:18:57 AM
Not too impressed either with the wealthier Catholics "distancing "themselves from their pasts by sending their kids to Rugby schools in Belfast.
Oh and the "Dublin 4 accent" (for want of a better term) is not automatically a West Brit/Castle Catholic indicator
Surely the sending of kids to rugby schools by rich parents is more prevalent among the English/American wanabees in South Dublin and the aforementioned D4 brigade [than in Belfast]
Quote from: Premier Emperor on December 05, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
Any Irish person who supports English soccer clubs should consider themselves a West Brit.
Nah, thats the easy way out. The west British culture in Ireland sickens me. The soccer club theory isn't a proper analysis of the situation IMO. Sure what about people who follow American football, am I an "east yank" then. Bollox to that.
The west British culture is quite worrying though. Goes far beyond sport. It's the type of person who watches the English question time on BBC1 and loves everything British..traditions and political ethos and doesn't give 2 shites about Northern Ireland. These people actually think Irish people and British people are similar, bollox...chalk and cheese,you'd know this if you had ever spent any time over there, majority of British are decent people it has to be said in fairness, we have that in common alright.
I'd class these lads as west Brits.
(http://www.nh.netherhall.org.uk/guestspeaker/images/2008/connell.jpg)
Brian O'Connell RTE London news reporter.
(http://www.showbizireland.com/photos/2009-02-david-norris-2.jpg)
David Norris
Quote from: Canalman on December 06, 2009, 10:18:57 AM
Personally, anyone who uses the term "Freestater". A nasty partitionist slur imo. To be fair though I usually only hear it from the lowlife drunken "fans" at GAA matches and seems to be used only by a very small minority.
Not too impressed either with the wealthier Catholics "distancing "themselves from their pasts by sending their kids to Rugby schools in Belfast.
Oh and the "Dublin 4 accent" (for want of a better term) is not automatically a West Brit/Castle Catholic indicator
Agreed, it indicates a far greater problem.
Muppetry.
Quote from: ballinaman on December 06, 2009, 10:37:12 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on December 05, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
Any Irish person who supports English soccer clubs should consider themselves a West Brit.
Nah, thats the easy way out. The west British culture in Ireland sickens me. The soccer club theory isn't a proper analysis of the situation IMO. Sure what about people who follow American football, am I an "east yank" then. Bollox to that.
The west British culture is quite worrying though. Goes far beyond sport. It's the type of person who watches the English question time on BBC1 and loves everything British..traditions and political ethos and doesn't give 2 shites about Northern Ireland. These people actually think Irish people and British people are similar, bollox...chalk and cheese,you'd know this if you had ever spent any time over there, majority of British are decent people it has to be said in fairness, we have that in common alright.
I'd class these lads as west Brits.
(http://www.nh.netherhall.org.uk/guestspeaker/images/2008/connell.jpg)
Brian O'Connell RTE London news reporter.
(http://www.showbizireland.com/photos/2009-02-david-norris-2.jpg)
David Norris
You mention Northern Ireland. Is the term West Brit not strictly aimed at "free staters"?
Yep it is Tony, I'm talking about people from the Republic of Ireland who couldn't give 2 shites about Northern Ireland. To clarify what I mean there, they don't class Northern Ireland as part of Ireland, NI doesn't concern them. It's a quite a paradox that they are so interested in British/English current affairs and traditions at the same time though.
i'd be more worried about the amount of Brits on the boards over LL the west Brit ;)
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
i'd be more worried about the amount of Brits on the boards over LL the west Brit ;)
I'm living in Dublin too long,thats the problem I got dragged down to your level..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
i'd be more worried about the amount of Brits on the boards over LL the west Brit ;)
I'm living in Dublin too long,thats the problem I got dragged down to your level..
My Level? i dont thinking living in Dublin has you supporting an English soccer team
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
i'd be more worried about the amount of Brits on the boards over LL the west Brit ;)
I'm living in Dublin too long,thats the problem I got dragged down to your level..
My Level? i dont thinking living in Dublin has you supporting an English soccer team
Well I didn't think supporting a english soccer team made me a "west brit" but some gimps do,which if really the case 90% of this board could be described as west brit in fairness :D
When I was growing up a West Brit was always someone from Dublin...
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
i'd be more worried about the amount of Brits on the boards over LL the west Brit ;)
I'm living in Dublin too long,thats the problem I got dragged down to your level..
My Level? i dont thinking living in Dublin has you supporting an English soccer team
Well I didn't think supporting a english soccer team made me a "west brit" but some gimps do,which if really the case 90% of this board could be described as west brit in fairness :D
When I was growing up a West Brit was always someone from Dublin...
Says the man for queen's county
Quote from: Gnevin on December 06, 2009, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
i'd be more worried about the amount of Brits on the boards over LL the west Brit ;)
I'm living in Dublin too long,thats the problem I got dragged down to your level..
My Level? i dont thinking living in Dublin has you supporting an English soccer team
Well I didn't think supporting a english soccer team made me a "west brit" but some gimps do,which if really the case 90% of this board could be described as west brit in fairness :D
When I was growing up a West Brit was always someone from Dublin...
Says the man for queen's county
Thanks you proved my point from last night...good man :D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
i'd be more worried about the amount of Brits on the boards over LL the west Brit ;)
I'm living in Dublin too long,thats the problem I got dragged down to your level..
My Level? i dont thinking living in Dublin has you supporting an English soccer team
Well I didn't think supporting a english soccer team made me a "west brit" but some gimps do,which if really the case 90% of this board could be described as west brit in fairness :D
When I was growing up a West Brit was always someone from Dublin...
thats handy for the man who loves an English soccer team - all sing god save the queen on cup final day....yes Dublin people are west brits ::)
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 06, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
i'd be more worried about the amount of Brits on the boards over LL the west Brit ;)
I'm living in Dublin too long,thats the problem I got dragged down to your level..
My Level? i dont thinking living in Dublin has you supporting an English soccer team
Well I didn't think supporting a english soccer team made me a "west brit" but some gimps do,which if really the case 90% of this board could be described as west brit in fairness :D
When I was growing up a West Brit was always someone from Dublin...
thats handy for the man who loves an English soccer team - all sing god save the queen on cup final day....yes Dublin people are west brits ::)
You should try using CD's or MP3s they don't break as often as that record player you are using :D
To avoid hypocrisy the insult West Brit should only be issued by a non-english speaker, someone who has never played soccer even in his garden, never used sterling (except to steal it & then use it to purchase semtex). Even if you drive on the left hand side of the road it could be argued that you are a West Brit.
Tankie why do you keep saying English this and English that as if it's some sort of insult? Are you telling me you avoid everything English ?
I always knew Dublin people as west Brits too it was always something that was said about Dublin people where I come from I dunno or don't care why but that's the way it is.
Btw what idiot thinks because a fella supports a team in sport from England is a west Brit?
Does that mean people who like American football are east yanks?
Quote from: muppet on December 06, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
To avoid hypocrisy the insult West Brit should only be issued by a non-english speaker, someone who has never played soccer even in his garden, never used sterling (except to steal it & then use it to purchase semtex). Even if you drive on the left hand side of the road it could be argued that you are a West Brit.
That would be way above some peoples heads though muppet
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on December 06, 2009, 01:57:40 PM
Tankie why do you keep saying English this and English that as if it's some sort of insult? Are you telling me you avoid everything English ?
I always knew Dublin people as west Brits too it was always something that was said about Dublin people where I come from I dunno or don't care why but that's the way it is.
Btw what idiot thinks because a fella supports a team in sport from England is a west Brit?
Does that mean people who like American football are east yanks?
I have no problem with it....i just think its a joke when you have all these super Irish lads who hate everything about Britan (excluding soccer as 'its a good league', or shopping up the north 'as we are being rip off' down here)...me personally i watch rugby, golf, baseball, American football, champions leagues knock out soccer so not sure where that leaves me
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 02:14:19 PM
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on December 06, 2009, 01:57:40 PM
Tankie why do you keep saying English this and English that as if it's some sort of insult? Are you telling me you avoid everything English ?
I always knew Dublin people as west Brits too it was always something that was said about Dublin people where I come from I dunno or don't care why but that's the way it is.
Btw what idiot thinks because a fella supports a team in sport from England is a west Brit?
Does that mean people who like American football are east yanks?
I have no problem with it....i just think its a joke when you have all these super Irish lads who hate everything about Britan (excluding soccer as 'its a good league', or shopping up the north 'as we are being rip off' down here)...me personally i watch rugby, golf, baseball, American football, champions leagues knock out soccer so not sure where that leaves me
How do you make out thats me so???
Apart from that god awful Rugby(IMHO) I watch all them sports too and snooker,athletics,Aussie Rules,Boxing,Formula 1,I even spent an entire evening watching a Lacrosse match from some college in America and Golf is one of my top if not my top passions both playing and watching it....
In fairness to laois lad, i think it's harsh to call anyone a west Brit purely on the basis of sporting allegiances...hell of alot more to a west Brit than that.
So you are just trying to insult lads for no reason then Tankie?
You are some tool ::) and by your last post a bit of a hypocrite
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on December 06, 2009, 02:27:41 PM
So you are just trying to insult lads for no reason then Tankie?
You are some tool ::) and by your last post a bit of a hypocrite
its the board that voted LL was a west brit
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on December 06, 2009, 02:27:41 PM
So you are just trying to insult lads for no reason then Tankie?
You are some tool ::) and by your last post a bit of a hypocrite
its the board that voted LL was a west brit
26 people voted out of 3346
You are a gobshite :D
Btw you never answerd my question on the last page
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on December 06, 2009, 02:27:41 PM
So you are just trying to insult lads for no reason then Tankie?
You are some tool ::) and by your last post a bit of a hypocrite
its the board that voted LL was a west brit
As Dr Kelso would say to JD.......are you a idiot?
biggest WB is EG. In such denial about his nationality
Quote from: Tankie on December 06, 2009, 02:14:19 PM
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on December 06, 2009, 01:57:40 PM
Tankie why do you keep saying English this and English that as if it's some sort of insult? Are you telling me you avoid everything English ?
I always knew Dublin people as west Brits too it was always something that was said about Dublin people where I come from I dunno or don't care why but that's the way it is.
Btw what idiot thinks because a fella supports a team in sport from England is a west Brit?
Does that mean people who like American football are east yanks?
I have no problem with it....i just think its a joke when you have all these super Irish lads who hate everything about Britan (excluding soccer as 'its a good league', or shopping up the north 'as we are being rip off' down here)...me personally i watch rugby, golf, baseball, American football, champions leagues knock out soccer so not sure where that leaves me
i'm just like you tankie, i watch all the above plus gaa ;)
Quote from: Aerlik on December 06, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
biggest WB is EG. In such denial about his nationality
I think it's clear he's a brit. You don't seem to have grasped the concept.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 06, 2009, 03:51:51 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 06, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
biggest WB is EG. In such denial about his nationality
I think it's clear he's a brit. You don't seem to have grasped the concept.
or maybe its you tony :or is west brit a partionist concept now? the irony. . . i always thought it referred to anyone in ireland with a leaning/love/infatuation towards all things british. . belfast is west of britian
Quote from: Aerlik on December 06, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
biggest WB is EG. In such denial about his nationality
What is it I have ever denied about my Nationality?
That I am Irish? - It's obvious from the moment I open my mouth.
That I am British? - It's on the Passport I carry every time I leave the country.
That I am European? - Both the land I was born and brought up in and the land where I have lived most of my adult life are firmly within the continent of Europe.
In fact, not only am I all three, but I am
proud to be so.
I was reminded recently of a statement by the Belfast Poet John Hewitt, which addressed this very issue. It's not exactly how I would phrase it myself, but the general sentiment neatly reflects my own, particularly the last clause:
"I'm an Ulsterman, of planter stock. I was born in the island of Ireland, so secondarily I'm an Irishman. I was born in the British archipelago and English is my native tongue, so I am British. The British archipelago consists of offshore islands to the continent of Europe, so I'm European. This is my hierarchy of values and so far as I am concerned, anyone who omits one step in that sequence of values is falsifying the situation."In fact, it seems to me that the only people "in denial" are those who, like yourself, would deny that there is more than one type of "Irishman", or that being an Irishman automatically excludes one from having any additional identifying characteristics.
Which, considering you are an Irishman who recently took out Australian* Nationality, marks you out as either being thick, confused, prejudiced, hypocritical, or some combination of the four.
* - Remind me again who your new Head of State is? :D
QuoteI was born in the British archipelago and English is my native tongue, so I am British.
Are all persons in Ireland equally British then? Are people from the Isle of Man Irish given that they were born in the Irish sea?
What about the Gaels of Scotland who speak ár dteanga ársá álainn?( or their version of it anyway)
Quote from: armaghniac on December 07, 2009, 01:21:28 AM
QuoteI was born in the British archipelago and English is my native tongue, so I am British.
Are all persons in Ireland equally British then?
No, for two reasons. First, the majority of people in Ireland no longer qualify automatically for British Citizenship, as they did at the time of Hewitt's birth. Second, even those who do may renounce it.
All Hewitt was saying is that he embraced his own Britishness, being qualified both legally and geographically, and that no-one else had the right to deny him that.
And years after his death, there remain around one million Irish people who feel the same.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 07, 2009, 01:21:28 AM
Are people from the Isle of Man Irish given that they were born in the Irish sea?
Oh dear, you are confused. Hewitt was British, because he was a British citizen, born in the British Isles, who embraced his Britishness.
He was also Irish, because he was born in Ireland.
By exactly the same reasoning, however, unless he also has Irish ancestry, a Manxman cannot claim to be Irish, since he will not have been born in Ireland.
P.S. If someone were "born in the Irish sea", perhaps that might make him/her a Merman/Mermaid? ;)
Quote from: Premier Emperor on December 05, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
Any Irish person who supports English soccer clubs should consider themselves a West Brit.
So, if I like Ajax does that make me an Orangeman?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2009, 11:11:06 AM
What about the Gaels of Scotland who speak ár dteanga ársá álainn?( or their version of it anyway)
(Assuming you mean Scots who speak Gallic) What about them?
Self-evidently, such people must be Scottish. However, since they will have been born in the United Kingdom, they will also be British, an identity which they may embrace or renounce.
Exactly the same applies eg to native Welsh-speakers.
Why do so many people on this Board seem to have a difficulty with the concept of Britishness/the UK? It is, quite simply, a Union of four Nations. My being Northern Irish also permits me to be British. However, my being British does not make me eg English, any more than it makes me Scottish or Welsh. Neither does it make eg a Scotsman English, a Welshman Scottish or an Englishman Northern Irish etc.
The majority of people in Northern Ireland also wish to be British, as do the respective majorities in England, Scotland and Wales. All four such nations manage this dual identity perfectly easily.
Quote from: Billys Boots on December 07, 2009, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on December 05, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
Any Irish person who supports English soccer clubs should consider themselves a West Brit.
So, if I like Ajax does that make me an Orangeman?
Yes it does you dirty, sectarian, bowler hatted fool :P
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 07, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on December 07, 2009, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on December 05, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
Any Irish person who supports English soccer clubs should consider themselves a West Brit.
So, if I like Ajax does that make me an Orangeman?
Yes it does you dirty, sectarian, bowler hatted fool :P
Just checking - thanks. ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on December 07, 2009, 01:21:28 AM
QuoteI was born in the British archipelago and English is my native tongue, so I am British.
Are all persons in Ireland equally British then? Are people from the Isle of Man Irish given that they were born in the Irish sea?
Mermaids?
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 07, 2009, 12:32:28 PM
The majority of people in Northern Ireland also wish to be British, as do the respective majorities in England, Scotland and Wales. All four such nations manage this dual identity perfectly easily.
What defines a "Nation" ?
A Majority of the people of Tyrone and Fermanagh see them selves as Irish and nothing else so does that make Tyrone and Fermanagh a "Nation"
Gnevin easy. Indeed if their was a vote around here for the most conceited w@nker he would.......well, I better not say or else I will be in trouble with the mods. Been a Dub, always associted West Brit with those from the ' posher ' parts of Dublin like Garret Fitzgerald, Conor Cruise O'Brien etc who tried to copy the accents of the brit Hooray Henry type etc and are partitionist/castle catholics in their political views.
Quote from: Chrisowc on December 07, 2009, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 07, 2009, 01:21:28 AM
QuoteI was born in the British archipelago and English is my native tongue, so I am British.
Are all persons in Ireland equally British then? Are people from the Isle of Man Irish given that they were born in the Irish sea?
Mermaids?
Mermanx
is this a fiesty debate going on here or slanging match?? can't be bothered reading through it
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 07, 2009, 12:19:56 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 07, 2009, 01:21:28 AM
QuoteI was born in the British archipelago and English is my native tongue, so I am British.
Are all persons in Ireland equally British then?
No, for two reasons. First, the majority of people in Ireland no longer qualify automatically for British Citizenship, as they did at the time of Hewitt's birth. Second, even those who do may renounce it.
All Hewitt was saying is that he embraced his own Britishness, being qualified both legally and geographically, and that no-one else had the right to deny him that.
And years after his death, there remain around one million Irish people who feel the same.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 07, 2009, 01:21:28 AM
Are people from the Isle of Man Irish given that they were born in the Irish sea?
Oh dear, you are confused. Hewitt was British, because he was a British citizen, born in the British Isles, who embraced his Britishness.
He was also Irish, because he was born in Ireland.
By exactly the same reasoning, however, unless he also has Irish ancestry, a Manxman cannot claim to be Irish, since he will not have been born in Ireland.
P.S. If someone were "born in the Irish sea", perhaps that might make him/her a Merman/Mermaid? ;)
Any British marker on this Island (Ireland and its offshore islands) is purely political, it has lost all claim on the territory of Eire (Ireland the state). The assertion of Northern Ireland being British is purely a political fact but a geographical lie. The day that the 6 counties in the North East of the Island vote to unite with the Independent Irish entity to the South it will no longer be politicaly British. What we will have is a British ethnic minority in the political and geographical Ireland or Irish Isles if you wish to include the likes of Achill, Tory, Lambay etc. Ireland is part of Europe.
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 07, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
is this a fiesty debate going on here or slanging match?? can't be bothered reading through it
Pure slagging and quite racist at that
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on December 07, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 07, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
is this a fiesty debate going on here or slanging match?? can't be bothered reading through it
Pure slagging and quite racist at that
racism or more sectarianism? you are no angel yourself WABWAW :-X
Ruth Dudley Edwards
and
supporters of Glasgow Celtic
very different on the face of it but
singing off the same West Brit hymn sheet
like Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder in 'Ebony and Ivory'
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PM
Any British marker on this Island (Ireland and its offshore islands) is purely political,
Primarily political, but by no means exclusively so.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMit has lost all claim on the territory of Eire (Ireland the state).
I prefer the term "renounced", but whatever...
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMThe assertion of Northern Ireland being British is purely a political fact but a geographical lie.
And the assertions that Okinawa is Japanese or that Hawaii is American are presumably also "geographical lies"?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMThe day that the 6 counties in the North East of the Island vote to unite with the Independent Irish entity to the South it will no longer be politicaly British.
Is "stating the bleedin' obvious", to no particular relevance to the debate in hand, a Mayo specialty, or just your own particular wee "gift"?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMWhat we will have is a British ethnic minority in the political and geographical Ireland or Irish Isles if you wish to include the likes of Achill, Tory, Lambay etc. Ireland is part of Europe.
Hang on. If the British presence in Ireland is merely a "political marker" i.e. with no tangible presence on the island, where did this "British ethnic minority" you refer to spring out of? ???
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMIreland is part of Europe.
Ah right, we're back to the "bleedin' obvious" again - your "Specialist Subject", no doubt... ::)
Anyhow, insofar as the above rant impinges tangentially on the various points I was trying to make (and only then coincidentally, I'd say), how does any of it actually contradict any of them? ???
P.S. Interesting signature you have there. If I were to try to sign off as "Fermanaghman, Ulsterman, Briton, European", would that be allowed in that wee FantasyMayoLand you appear to inhabit? :D
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 07, 2009, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PM
Any British marker on this Island (Ireland and its offshore islands) is purely political,
Primarily political, but by no means exclusively so.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMit has lost all claim on the territory of Eire (Ireland the state).
I prefer the term "renounced", but whatever... DEFEATED BY ;D
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMThe assertion of Northern Ireland being British is purely a political fact but a geographical lie.
And the assertions that Okinawa is Japanese or that Hawaii is American are presumably also "geographical lies"? YES
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMThe day that the 6 counties in the North East of the Island vote to unite with the Independent Irish entity to the South it will no longer be politicaly British.
Is "stating the bleedin' obvious", to no particular relevance to the debate in hand, a Mayo specialty, or just your own particular wee "gift"?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMWhat we will have is a British ethnic minority in the political and geographical Ireland or Irish Isles if you wish to include the likes of Achill, Tory, Lambay etc. Ireland is part of Europe.
Hang on. If the British presence in Ireland is merely a "political marker" i.e. with no tangible presence on the island, where did this "British ethnic minority" you refer to spring out of? ???
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 07, 2009, 02:04:37 PMIreland is part of Europe.
Ah right, we're back to the "bleedin' obvious" again - your "Specialist Subject", no doubt... ::)
Anyhow, insofar as the above rant impinges tangentially on the various points I was trying to make (and only then coincidentally, I'd say), how does any of it actually contradict any of them? ???
P.S. Interesting signature you have there. If I were to try to sign off as "Fermanaghman, Ulsterman, Briton, European", would that be allowed in that wee FantasyMayoLand you appear to inhabit? :D
Change Briton to British and I would be ok with that, British is a British Subject, a Briton is from the Island of Britain ;) I thought you might have entered Irishman & Northern Irishman in there also :D
My problem is entirely with your assertions you are British because you come from the imaginary Imperialistic British Isles, I have no problem with you claiming to be British based on a political or genealogical reality, as opposed to a geographical lie/fantasy. I have no problem with you claiming to be British, its your basis for doing so that I disagree.
Surely stating the obvious just means Im right.
Getting back to the original question, Gnevin by a country mile.
QuoteThe majority of people in Northern Ireland also wish to be British, as do the respective majorities in England, Scotland and Wales. All four such nations manage this dual identity perfectly easily.
Scottish, English and Welsh people are British by definition, as they are from Britain. Northern Ireland is British by conquest. Not quite the same thing. And of course Welsh speakers have an authenthic British language, unlike the blow in Germans who run most of the island.
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 07, 2009, 12:35:34 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 06, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
biggest WB is EG. In such denial about his nationality
What is it I have ever denied about my Nationality?
That I am Irish? - It's obvious from the moment I open my mouth.
That I am British? - It's on the Passport I carry every time I leave the country.
That I am European? - Both the land I was born and brought up in and the land where I have lived most of my adult life are firmly within the continent of Europe.
In fact, not only am I all three, but I am proud to be so.
I was reminded recently of a statement by the Belfast Poet John Hewitt, which addressed this very issue. It's not exactly how I would phrase it myself, but the general sentiment neatly reflects my own, particularly the last clause:
"I'm an Ulsterman, of planter stock. I was born in the island of Ireland, so secondarily I'm an Irishman. I was born in the British archipelago and English is my native tongue, so I am British. The British archipelago consists of offshore islands to the continent of Europe, so I'm European. This is my hierarchy of values and so far as I am concerned, anyone who omits one step in that sequence of values is falsifying the situation."
In fact, it seems to me that the only people "in denial" are those who, like yourself, would deny that there is more than one type of "Irishman", or that being an Irishman automatically excludes one from having any additional identifying characteristics.
Which, considering you are an Irishman who recently took out Australian* Nationality, marks you out as either being thick, confused, prejudiced, hypocritical, or some combination of the four.
* - Remind me again who your new Head of State is? :D
there is no such place as the british archipelago or british isles, its not recognised in law or by any country. however if it helps you get thro the day good for you... and while i'm at it theres also no santa
Quote from: magickingdom on December 08, 2009, 07:21:42 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 07, 2009, 12:35:34 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on December 06, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
biggest WB is EG. In such denial about his nationality
What is it I have ever denied about my Nationality?
That I am Irish? - It's obvious from the moment I open my mouth.
That I am British? - It's on the Passport I carry every time I leave the country.
That I am European? - Both the land I was born and brought up in and the land where I have lived most of my adult life are firmly within the continent of Europe.
In fact, not only am I all three, but I am proud to be so.
I was reminded recently of a statement by the Belfast Poet John Hewitt, which addressed this very issue. It's not exactly how I would phrase it myself, but the general sentiment neatly reflects my own, particularly the last clause:
"I'm an Ulsterman, of planter stock. I was born in the island of Ireland, so secondarily I'm an Irishman. I was born in the British archipelago and English is my native tongue, so I am British. The British archipelago consists of offshore islands to the continent of Europe, so I'm European. This is my hierarchy of values and so far as I am concerned, anyone who omits one step in that sequence of values is falsifying the situation."
In fact, it seems to me that the only people "in denial" are those who, like yourself, would deny that there is more than one type of "Irishman", or that being an Irishman automatically excludes one from having any additional identifying characteristics.
Which, considering you are an Irishman who recently took out Australian* Nationality, marks you out as either being thick, confused, prejudiced, hypocritical, or some combination of the four.
* - Remind me again who your new Head of State is? :D
there is no such place as the british archipelago or british isles, its not recognised in law or by any country. however if it helps you get thro the day good for you... and while i'm at it theres also no santa
and the mainlaind is the Euroasian-African landmass.
Quote from: ballinaman on December 06, 2009, 01:08:44 PM
Yep it is Tony, I'm talking about people from the Republic of Ireland who couldn't give 2 shites about Northern Ireland. To clarify what I mean there, they don't class Northern Ireland as part of Ireland, NI doesn't concern them. It's a quite a paradox that they are so interested in British/English current affairs and traditions at the same time though.
Anyone read Will Hanafin's article in the Sunday Independent at the weekend with the headline 'It's grim up north' and a standfirst that says 'After a trip to witness Northern Ireland's unique take on democracy, culture and humour, Will Hanafin comes home glad that there's no prospect of a united Ireland any time soon'.
A West-Brit of the highest order and writing for one of the most poisonous rags around. The article is shite too and proves nothing, but i still want to kick him in the balls
Quote from: Massey-135 on April 14, 2010, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 06, 2009, 01:08:44 PM
Yep it is Tony, I'm talking about people from the Republic of Ireland who couldn't give 2 shites about Northern Ireland. To clarify what I mean there, they don't class Northern Ireland as part of Ireland, NI doesn't concern them. It's a quite a paradox that they are so interested in British/English current affairs and traditions at the same time though.
Anyone read Will Hanafin's article in the Sunday Independent at the weekend with the headline 'It's grim up north' and a standfirst that says 'After a trip to witness Northern Ireland's unique take on democracy, culture and humour, Will Hanafin comes home glad that there's no prospect of a united Ireland any time soon'.
A West-Brit of the highest order and writing for one of the most poisonous rags around. The article is shite too and proves nothing, but i still want to kick him in the balls
That's the start of your problems, right there. Wouldn't wipe my hole with that shite.
Are all the West Brits looking forward to supporting Angerland in South Africa?
Quote from: Massey-135 on April 14, 2010, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 06, 2009, 01:08:44 PM
Yep it is Tony, I'm talking about people from the Republic of Ireland who couldn't give 2 shites about Northern Ireland. To clarify what I mean there, they don't class Northern Ireland as part of Ireland, NI doesn't concern them. It's a quite a paradox that they are so interested in British/English current affairs and traditions at the same time though.
Anyone read Will Hanafin's article in the Sunday Independent at the weekend with the headline 'It's grim up north' and a standfirst that says 'After a trip to witness Northern Ireland's unique take on democracy, culture and humour, Will Hanafin comes home glad that there's no prospect of a united Ireland any time soon'.
A West-Brit of the highest order and writing for one of the most poisonous rags around. The article is shite too and proves nothing, but i still want to kick him in the balls
I read the ould fella's sunday Indo a few months ago and I found it to be the most bizarre newspaper. There was virtually no news in it other than the sport. There must be a point to the Sunday Independent but I can't see it.
Is Evil Genius still on the board? He hasnt posted or been active this long time?
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on April 14, 2010, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 06, 2009, 01:08:44 PM
Yep it is Tony, I'm talking about people from the Republic of Ireland who couldn't give 2 shites about Northern Ireland. To clarify what I mean there, they don't class Northern Ireland as part of Ireland, NI doesn't concern them. It's a quite a paradox that they are so interested in British/English current affairs and traditions at the same time though.
Anyone read Will Hanafin's article in the Sunday Independent at the weekend with the headline 'It's grim up north' and a standfirst that says 'After a trip to witness Northern Ireland's unique take on democracy, culture and humour, Will Hanafin comes home glad that there's no prospect of a united Ireland any time soon'.
A West-Brit of the highest order and writing for one of the most poisonous rags around. The article is shite too and proves nothing, but i still want to kick him in the balls
I read the ould fella's sunday Indo a few months ago and I found it to be the most bizarre newspaper. There was virtually no news in it other than the sport. There must be a point to the Sunday Independent but I can't see it.
It is little more than an advertiser for cheap supermarkets, failed comedians and failed politicians.
Where is Gnevin?
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2010, 09:02:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: Massey-135 on April 14, 2010, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 06, 2009, 01:08:44 PM
Yep it is Tony, I'm talking about people from the Republic of Ireland who couldn't give 2 shites about Northern Ireland. To clarify what I mean there, they don't class Northern Ireland as part of Ireland, NI doesn't concern them. It's a quite a paradox that they are so interested in British/English current affairs and traditions at the same time though.
Anyone read Will Hanafin's article in the Sunday Independent at the weekend with the headline 'It's grim up north' and a standfirst that says 'After a trip to witness Northern Ireland's unique take on democracy, culture and humour, Will Hanafin comes home glad that there's no prospect of a united Ireland any time soon'.
A West-Brit of the highest order and writing for one of the most poisonous rags around. The article is shite too and proves nothing, but i still want to kick him in the balls
I read the ould fella's sunday Indo a few months ago and I found it to be the most bizarre newspaper. There was virtually no news in it other than the sport. There must be a point to the Sunday Independent but I can't see it.
It is little more than an advertiser for cheap supermarkets, failed comedians and failed politicians.
Don't forget it is also all about blaming Sinn Fein for every problem in the country, all its "journalists" must do an anti sinn fein exam before getting the job.