With this strike going ahead tomorrow does anyone else think that this lad has some neck?...he gets paid €155k per year + got €25k per year when he was chairman of FAS and he keeps talking about how its all rich peoples fault that it went wrong- I would have considered somebody earning €180k as doing well and as chairman of FAS he didnt even do his job and had to resign in the end but still blames everybody else for waste and high cost of business.
QuoteNationwide strike will cause hardship - IMPACT
The leader of one the country's largest public service unions has acknowledged that tomorrow's nationwide strike by up to 250,000 state employees will cause hardship to those who depend most on public services.
Tomorrow will see a virtual shutdown of public services around the country, with emergency cover only in a number of key services - particularly health and justice.
Almost all public offices and schools will be closed, while many outpatient and non-emergency health procedures will be cancelled.
IMPACT General Secretary Peter McLoone said the Government had forced them into a strike by failing to engage to negotiate a fair alternative to plans for a second huge pay cut within a less than a year.......
What about the other 249,999 employees, or should their grievances be ignored because of the perceived brass neck of one person? We're all familiar with your anti-trade union opinions but you're beginning to sound like a Sun editorial
I haven't been paid one cent since September, for my job. I hope it's a nice amount when it comes.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 23, 2009, 07:55:25 PM
I haven't been paid one cent since September, for my job. I hope it's a nice amount when it comes.
What? why not?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:00:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 23, 2009, 07:55:25 PM
I haven't been paid one cent since September, for my job. I hope it's a nice amount when it comes.
What? why not?
Part time learning support resource teacher. I still don't agree with the strike tomorrow though. I only work for 7.5 hrs per week since I got the job. Dept say it's something to do with the paperwork been left lying around somewhere.
Quote from: red hander on November 23, 2009, 07:54:37 PM
What about the other 249,999 employees, or should their grievances be ignored because of the perceived brass neck of one person? We're all familiar with your anti-trade union opinions but you're beginning to sound like a Sun editorial
i wasnt talking about the other civil service employees (even though i do think it is a joke that they are striking - pay cuts or lay offs - they gotta take one of the options)...I am talking about a man who sat on the board of FAS as chairman when they pissed millions away and never said a word tell everyone else that he or the civil service didnt casuse this and the rich should pay - I would consider this man to be rich with a salary of €180k and god only knows how much in expenses.
But sure isnt all the powers that be agreed that the rich people cant be asked to pay more tax.
Much better to go after those on the minimum wage and make them "share the pain" .
Lenihan or was it Cowan said last week that there are loads of workers paying no tax and that can't continue. He said it in a manner as if it was something he had just found out.
Yet for about 4 or 5 budgets before 2008 Cowan was telling us in his speech that he was taking anthter so many thousand workers out of the tax net to loyal roars of approval from the FFBuilder ranks in the Dáil.
By the Tankie I believe Mr McLoone gets €171,000 a year from his private sector job and IMPACT subs werent reduced when the members pay got reduced when they got hit with that so called pension levy
Quote from: Rossfan on November 23, 2009, 08:44:31 PM
But sure isnt all the powers that be agreed that the rich people cant be asked to pay more tax.
Much better to go after those on the minimum wage and make them "share the pain" .
Lenihan or was it Cowan said last week that there are loads of workers paying no tax and that can't continue. He said it in a manner as if it was something he had just found out.
Yet for about 4 or 5 budgets before 2008 Cowan was telling us in his speech that he was taking anthter so many thousand workers out of the tax net to loyal roars of approval from the FFBuilder ranks in the Dáil.
By the Tankie I believe Mr McLoone gets €171,000 a year from his private sector job and IMPACT subs werent reduced when the members pay got reduced when they got hit with that so called pension levy
all those people should never have been taken out of the tax band anyway, it was crazy economics that this country was running...i love the idea of taxing the rich as much as anyone but every report says it wont bring in enough money so everyone needs to be taxed.
in regard to the pension levy i do feel that the government should have given people the option to opt out of their pension if they didnt want to pay the levy.....i wonder how many would have dropped their pension...
The "Pension" levy is nothing to do with pensions ...it's a method of saving the Exchequer some money and allowing the Unions to say there was no pay cut( to gross pay of course ::)
Whats the strike today all about?
Our man McLoone was asked about the 6k tail backs heading into Newry today and he said it had nothing to do with the public service...the man is a sham!!!
As far as I recall he didnt respond to the point at all but went on to refer to public service people working on flood relief.
Anyway Tankie how do you or I know what was the occupations, (and what percentage) of the eejits stuck in traffic jams.
And why can shops in Newry sell things for half the price of shops in Dundalk?
QuoteAnd why can shops in Newry sell things for half the price of shops in Dundalk?
Because taxes are higher in Dundalk to pay for the best paid public servants in Europe. That's why.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2009, 07:23:43 PM
As far as I recall he didnt respond to the point at all but went on to refer to public service people working on flood relief.
Anyway Tankie how do you or I know what was the occupations, (and what percentage) of the eejits stuck in traffic jams.
And why can shops in Newry sell things for half the price of shops in Dundalk?
On TV3 he said it was not public servents but yes on RTE he just didnt answer the question.
In regard to Dubdalk - Well wages would be a starting point for the highe costs...followed by the high cost to do business to the councils having such high wages bills for its staff but then we havea higher tax..which is also paying a wage bill...
Also the Brits have decided to use quantitative easing to get out of recession thus their currency has collapsed against the Euro. Last July 1 euro= 80p . It's 90p now
Quote from: Silky on November 24, 2009, 07:30:09 PM
QuoteAnd why can shops in Newry sell things for half the price of shops in Dundalk?
Because taxes are higher in Dundalk to pay for the best paid public servants in Europe. That's why.
VAT in Newry 15%, VAT in Dundalk 21.5 % ....profits in Newry ?% Profits in Dundalk ?x2 % perhaps.
Any higher wages in Dundalk ( and all the 26 Cos) were more than necessary to pay for houses which were selling for about 3 times their real value as Bertiebolix and his Galway tent mates continued to ride their goldrush with abandon and to hell with the future.
Mind you they must pay some tax in Dundalk if it pays all the public Service wages :o
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2009, 08:55:21 PM
Quote from: Silky on November 24, 2009, 07:30:09 PM
QuoteAnd why can shops in Newry sell things for half the price of shops in Dundalk?
Because taxes are higher in Dundalk to pay for the best paid public servants in Europe. That's why.
VAT in Newry 15%, VAT in Dundalk 21.5 % ....profits in Newry ?% Profits in Dundalk ?x2 % perhaps.
Any higher wages in Dundalk ( and all the 26 Cos) were more than necessary to pay for houses which were selling for about 3 times their real value as Bertiebolix and his Galway tent mates continued to ride their goldrush with abandon and to hell with the future.
Mind you they must pay some tax in Dundalk if it pays all the public Service wages :o
And when FF were wining and dining the builder, FAS were spending billions on foreign trips and our man McLoone did nothing other than look for pay rises every year and saying nothing until a national paper expose the who scam....McCloone gets a national strike today and still claims a salary 6 times the average industrial wage...yes i guess it was only the builders and governments fault
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2009, 08:55:21 PM
Quote from: Silky on November 24, 2009, 07:30:09 PM
QuoteAnd why can shops in Newry sell things for half the price of shops in Dundalk?
Because taxes are higher in Dundalk to pay for the best paid public servants in Europe. That's why.
VAT in Newry 15%, VAT in Dundalk 21.5 % ....profits in Newry ?% Profits in Dundalk ?x2 % perhaps.
Any higher wages in Dundalk ( and all the 26 Cos) were more than necessary to pay for houses which were selling for about 3 times their real value as Bertiebolix and his Galway tent mates continued to ride their goldrush with abandon and to hell with the future.
Mind you they must pay some tax in Dundalk if it pays all the public Service wages :o
I like your logic, so your saying it was high house price that drove up wages! Thats funny, ill have to remember that the next time i am sitting accross the table from the unions!
House prices rose by a multiple of 7 between 1994 and 2006. Average Employees' wages rose by about 2.5 times.
Now anything up to 200,000 people are landed with mortgages higher than their homes will be worth when property prices get back to the true value figure.
No NAMA for them though.
If house prices had say "only" trebled in those years it would have been quite easy for you to convince Unions that their members didnt need such high increases.