What a gift for Antrim!
Nah, apparently I'm too hard for some certain frequenters therein who are scared away at the sight of sandals.
Memories of Iggy Gallagher and 1987.
Quote from: hardstation on October 22, 2009, 10:11:22 PM
Aye but in all seriousness, don't wear your sandals.
Says who and whose army?
Memories of Harry Sheehan and 1912.
Quote from: hardstation on October 22, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
Me and to be honest probably everyone else who will be at the match.
OK then.
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2009, 10:09:38 PM
Memories of Iggy Gallagher and 1987.
Aye, could we ever forget.
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2009, 10:13:18 PM
Memories of Harry Sheehan and 1912.
Ditto.
Quote from: hardstation on October 22, 2009, 10:30:17 PM
The Casement roar should be worth 5-6 points for Antrim. Can we keep Tyrone to 4-5 points?
Will Antrim be with at least one McGourty and Sean Kelly next year?
Will Jordan be recovered from the op?
Will Fuscos still do the garlic chip?
Quote from: hardstation on October 22, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
Yes to all of the above.
Will Antrim be with 3 McGourtys?
Hopefully not.It's all about them.
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2009, 10:32:01 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 22, 2009, 10:30:17 PM
The Casement roar should be worth 5-6 points for Antrim. Can we keep Tyrone to 4-5 points?
Will Antrim be with at least one McGourty and Sean Kelly next year?
Will Jordan be recovered from the op?
Will Fuscos still do the garlic chip?
Will the PD club still have one barman trying to serve 50 thirsty Gaels at one time après match?
We'll be without big Seán, and Jordan (post-operative recuperation, don't ya know, or maybe not ;) ): step up young Aidan Cassidy and Red Seán O'Neill.
Quote from: hardstation on October 22, 2009, 11:51:01 PM
I'm happy with that.
Dromore were happy with Red Seán on Sunday last, or maybe not...
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 12:05:12 AM
Strange logic.
You're beginning to sound like SS2 now (pummeling the use of the word 'strange' to death... peculiar coincidence? ;))
Aye, don't doubt us for our unexpectedness!
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 12:19:39 AM
I don't understand your logic though. I would be happy if Seán Cavanagh and Philip Jordan were replaced by Aiden Cassidy and Red Seán O'Neill for the game in Casement.
Both big Seán and Philly have been for serious enough operations. They may, or may not, be ready for the opening Ulster game, but if not I'd hope that in Aidan Cass and Red Seán there'll be competent deputies.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 12:19:39 AM
You reply to this with "Dromore were happy with Red Seán on Sunday last, or maybe not..."
Aye, had a comma for a full-stop. Read: "... on Sunday last. Or, maybe not..." i.e., doesn't have the potential we (Tyronies) might think, or maybe they will have.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 12:19:39 AM
Did he replace either of the Moy boys for this match?
What's all tha' abou' then?
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 12:19:39 AM
Strange
Aye
SS3!
Ardboe (versus Dromore) last Sunday... Red Seán caused enough problems for (against) Ardboe (playing for Dromore), so if they (Ardboe) were happy with him then the County might have an issue with him.
We'll see how it goes this year.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 12:47:34 AM
Ok. Neither Aidan Cassidy nor Red Seán O'Neill are as good as Seán Cavanagh or Philip Jordan. Therefore, I would be happy if Aidan Cassidy or Red Seán O'Neill were to replace Seán Cavanagh or Philip Jordan for the Aontroim - Tír Eoghain match.
True, so far, hence the chances they may be given now.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 01:11:38 AM
I don't understand.
1. Red Seán played against Ardboe.
Yes
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 01:11:38 AM
2. He caused problems for Ardboe.
Yes
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 01:11:38 AM
3. Ardboe were happy with him.
No.
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2009, 01:11:38 AM
4. The County have an issue with him.
No, the County has no problem with him.
Now you have it?
Or do you want me to draw pictures? (And yes, I modified that post above :D)
This was a good thread untill yis got that sorted. Now were back to the 3 McGourtys :-\
Any word on the minor prospects? Surely with the last 3 (?) MacRorys on the mantlepiece they should have a decent shout (although it didn't help last year).
Quote from: Zapatista on October 23, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
This was a good thread untill yis got that sorted. Now were back to the 3 McGourtys :-\
Never mind them 3, will Sean McGreevy be back next year??
From today's Irish News:
Baker not worried by Red Hand date
By Paddy Tierney
23/10/2009
A REPEAT of this year's Ulster final was probably not what Liam Bradley had been hoping for when he was informed of the Ulster Championship draw.
Yet that's what last night's draw on RTE threw up as Antrim were paired against current champions Tyrone. Bradley didn't watch the draw live, and was taken aback when he was informed of the Saffrons' 2010 opponents by The Irish News. "Ah well, what can you say about that? It's the luck of the draw, but we will not worry too much about the Championship yet.
"We are looking forward to a two-month break. We will worry about Tyrone in April time – we have the McKenna Cup and league to get through first."
After guiding Antrim to their first Ulster final since 1970, Bradley will be keen to build on a season in which the Saffrons gained promotion to Division Three and only lost out to '08 All-Ireland champions Tyrone and eventual winners Kerry. The Derry man was able to take comfort from the fact that Antrim were first out of the draw and will probably host Tyrone at Casement Park. "The good thing is we are at home to them," he said.
"We proved last year we can match anyone over 70 minutes, and if it's in Casement I am sure there will be a super crowd there."
His Tyrone counterpart Mickey Harte believes that his Red Hands have a difficult task ahead if they are to retain their title. "The Ulster Championship is the most unpredictable of them all, and I think next year will be no different," said Harte.
"I suppose it's ironic that we drew Antrim having played them in the Ulster final, but it's good that we have played them because we can appreciate how difficult that is going to be now. They ran Kerry very close so I don't think Antrim are under any inferiority complex – they are as capable as anybody else."
Harte also rejected the notion that Tyrone are in the so-called easier side of the draw for 2010. Cavan and Fermanagh will provide the opposition in the semi-finals should Tyrone overcome Antrim. Yet the three-time All-Ireland winning manager feels that both sides are equally difficult.
"Well people will say what they will, but I always say there is no easy side of the draw in Ulster. I think that every side of the draw is tough. Everyone is always striving to make the breakthrough and it could happen one of these days."
Antrim have been drawn to face Offaly in the quarter-finals of the Leinster Hurling Championship for next year. The Saffrons are still on the hunt for a hurling manager after Terence 'Sambo' McNaughton and Dominic 'Woody' McKinney stepped down.
Offaly defeated Antrim in a relegation play-off earlier this year on a 1-23 to 0-13 scoreline. Antrim were then due to face Wexford for the right to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup, but the game was postponed after a DRA ruling. Special congress ruled earlier this month that the 2010 competition is extended to 13 teams to include Christy Ring Cup winners Carlow therefore Antrim were spared potential relegation.
Antrim star Karl McKeegan is keen to see the Saffrons improve.
"It's a fair enough draw," he said. "Offaly gave us a right tanking in the play-off, but I think we would consider ourselves around their level.
"After not performing great last year, and doing that much to try to get into the Leinster Championship, we have to try and up it."
I'm hearing rumours that I might be back for this game ;)
Quote from: hardstation on January 14, 2010, 11:06:32 PM
I'm hearing rumours of a pre-match drink in a Lawn Tennis and Bowling Club.
You buying the first round?
Is there a date for this yet? Could be a prime reason for a gadderin with boxing an all after it.
Yeah - I'm booking the flights based on that date
23rd May - ah balax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Turtle_Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y)
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 14, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y)
Fcuk that's funny.
McCullagh's a real joker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B-K4NGo2HE&NR=1
(http://imagecache.asos.com/inv/V/71/718/732721/DarkGrey/image1xl.jpg)
Maybe this should be this identifying dresscode for the gadderin, acknowledging the day that's in it.
On a more serious note - will the likes of Jordan be back for this?
I hope all you culchies can make it up the big motorway on time and don't delay the throw-in like youse did last year.
BRING IT ON!
(St Galls AI Senior Club Champions 2010 notwithstanding, and well done lads ;))
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 14, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y)
LOL
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2010, 07:16:10 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 14, 2010, 12:45:48 AM
So I guess the Antrim lads will be fancying thier chances big time for this one???
Not really, no. Hope to keep it tight up to half time and maybe stay within 4 points over the 70. Even that's a big ask.
You're probably more realistic on the other thread. Tyrone will be about ten up after 11 minutes and will hold Antrim at arms length after that. 4 points is extremely generous, Tyrone will win by as much as they want, pulling up.
I fear that if Mickey Harte decides to lay down a marker the margin of vistory could be well into double figures.
The Antrim team I would like to see is:
McGreevy
Brady, McLean, O'Boyle
Loughrey, Crozier, Kelly
Gallagher, Mick McCann
Kevin McGourty, Kieran McGourty, Niblock
Hands, Magill, Tomas McCann
Subs: Scullion, Doherty, Burke, Herron, Conor John Pius.
But Baker is more likely to go with something along the lines of:
McGreevy
Brady, McLean, O'Boyle
Scullion, Crozier, Kelly
Herron, Mick McCann
O'Neill, Gallagher, Niiblock
Hands, Magill, Tomas McCann
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 08:26:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2010, 07:16:10 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 14, 2010, 12:45:48 AM
So I guess the Antrim lads will be fancying thier chances big time for this one???
Not really, no. Hope to keep it tight up to half time and maybe stay within 4 points over the 70. Even that's a big ask.
You're probably more realistic on the other thread. Tyrone will be about ten up after 11 minutes and will hold Antrim at arms length after that. 4 points is extremely generous, Tyrone will win by as much as they want, pulling up.
I fear that if Mickey Harte decides to lay down a marker the margin of vistory could be well into double figures.
The Antrim team I would like to see is:
McGreevy
Brady, McLean, O'Boyle
Loughrey, Crozier, Kelly
Gallagher, Mick McCann
Kevin McGourty, Kieran McGourty, Niblock
Hands, Magill, Tomas McCann
Subs: Scullion, Doherty, Burke, Herron, Conor John Pius.
But Baker is more likely to go with something along the lines of:
McGreevy
Brady, McLean, O'Boyle
Scullion, Crozier, Kelly
Herron, Mick McCann
O'Neill, Gallagher, Niiblock
Hands, Magill, Tomas McCann
surely he has to play Loughrey :o there is no way he will leave him out
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
1.
Vistory A friendship between two or more people in which the friends are very similar in tastes and can talk for hours about anything, usually well into the night and early morning hours, foregoing literally all sleep to spend time with their vistorical friends.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 08:26:51 AM
I fear that if Mickey Harte decides to lay down a marker the margin of vistory could be well into double figures.
Aye, Harte can fairly wireless away once he starts.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
yeah its looking good,changed times best squad for a long long time.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
Yeah, when was the last time an Antrim manger had two or three really tough decisions to make to pick his best 15?? Will the League Final team be close to the Championship team (bar Niblock of course)??
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
yeah its looking good,changed times best squad for a long long time.
Not good enough to take Tyrone yet though. Maybe in a year or two as their star continues to wane and Antrim's to ascend.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 14, 2010, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
Yeah, when was the last time an Antrim manger had two or three really tough decisions to make to pick his best 15?? Will the League Final team be close to the Championship team (bar Niblock of course)??
Close to it, but Baker will keep one or two things up his sleeve I think.
Starting to get excited. Looking forward to the bowling club already.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
yeah its looking good,changed times best squad for a long long time.
Not good enough to take Tyrone yet though. Maybe in a year or two as their star continues to wane and Antrim's to ascend.
I have to agree SS2. A couple of weeks ago I got carried away and thought Antrim might win. However Tyrone will still be a cut above any teams we played in Div 3 and will be hot favourites. Antrim may well "give them their fill of it" but would still be a huge shock if Antrim won. Tyrone by 3-4. We can beat Sligo however :)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
yeah its looking good,changed times best squad for a long long time.
Not good enough to take Tyrone yet though. Maybe in a year or two as their star continues to wane and Antrim's to ascend.
BELIEVE SAM ;)Yeah you could be right but hope a least if we do go out we will get a half decent run in the qualifiers
Any updates on fitness/injuries/form after the weekend club games?
Gormley def out?
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2010, 12:19:04 AM
Any updates on fitness/injuries/form after the weekend club games?
Gormley def out?
thats the it looks at the minute, tear in the ligament, 6 - 8 weeks recovery
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
Who's making this allegation?
Quote from: On_the_Couch on April 20, 2010, 10:48:10 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 14, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.
I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.
yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.
So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.
This competition for places is great.
Who's making this allegation?
One Liam 'The Baker' Bradley, who was quoted in the Irish News saying ""In my eyes, Kevin Niblock is probably the best number 11 in the country at the moment, so he is."
"Not so", retorted Mickey Harte in the same paper.
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2010, 12:19:04 AM
Any updates on fitness/injuries/form after the weekend club games?
Gormley def out?
it says in today's tyrone times that aidan cassidy suffered a suspected broken jaw against pomeroy at the weekend.
was concussed and went to hospital,not broken but
The aul Tyrone self destruct button. Let's see how many county players get injured before the Antrim game.
[
[/quote]
One Liam 'The Baker' Bradley, who was quoted in the Irish News saying ""In my eyes, Kevin Niblock is probably the best number 11 in the country at the moment, so he is."
[/quote]
Definitely said those three words, (so he did)
Antrim 1-14 Tyrone 1-10
hardstation to be seen streaking down the Andytown road with milltown chasing after him with a cucumber
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 20, 2010, 11:15:15 PM
Antrim 1-14 Tyrone 1-10
hardstation to be seen streaking down the Andytown road with milltown chasing after him with a cucumber
Before or after the match??
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 21, 2010, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 20, 2010, 11:15:15 PM
Antrim 1-14 Tyrone 1-10
hardstation to be seen streaking down the Andytown road with milltown chasing after him with a cucumber
Before or after the match??
both.
So both sides will now approach this game on the back of a disappointingly flat performance. 27 days and counting.
Pay at the gate, aye?
Probababably. Meanwhile on Hogan S:
Tyrone veteran Brian Dooher has returned to training for the first time since last year's All-Ireland SFC semi-final defeat to Cork.
The former All-Ireland winning captain is now set to be available for selection for the Red Hands Ulster SFC opener against Antrim on May 23.
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has described the news as a "great boost" to his squad, while also allaying injury fears over All Star defender Ryan McMenamin, who picked up a knock in a club game with Dromore yesterday.
"It's an ankle injury that he had been having a bit of bother with and he maybe jarred it a bit when he landed during the game.
"While it's a little setback, I don't think it's a major cause for concern," said the Tyrone boss.
However, Harte did confirm that Conor Gormley would miss the clash with the Saffrons with a knee injury, but is still hopeful that McMahon brothers, Joe and Justin, and ace attacker Stephen O'Neill would all be back for the Casement Park encounter.
"Unfortunately it's going to take at least two months to get him (Gormley) sorted out," Harte added.
What's the best way of ensuring that I'm not standing beside O'Neill and Hardstation?
Avoid Fruithill Lawn Tennis and Bowling Club.
FoSB was down in O'Neill's shop today gearing up for the game:
(http://chethondo.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ss2.jpg)
Antrim players who attended the "Breakfast with the Baker" extravaganza feasted on muesli and wholemeal toast, whilst everyone else tucked into a big fry.
That will see us over the line. Antrim by two.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 27, 2010, 08:29:22 AM
Antrim players who attended the "Breakfast with the Baker" extravaganza feasted on muesli and wholemeal toast, whilst everyone else tucked into a big fry.
That will see us over the line. Antrim by two.
Are you sure they didn't have a big fry at about a quarter to seven on Sat night?
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2010, 11:50:46 PM
FoSB was down in O'Neill's shop today gearing up for the game:
(http://chethondo.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ss2.jpg)
FFS ONeill, I'd never assault the supersensitve sartorial (and sissy) senses of the west Belfastians with sandals
and fecking socks! Give me a break! :P ;)
Anyone like to guess the Tyrone line up for this one? Injuries permitting it could be something along these lines: Devine,Carlin,Justy,McMenamin,Harte,Joe McMahon,Jordan,Hughes,Cassidy,S Cavanagh,B McGuigan,C Cavanagh,Penrose,O'Neill,Mugsy. McGuigan will face tough competition from Harte,Coney and Tommy. If Justy McMahon misses out would expect Sean O'Neill or McCarron in.
I was told by an ex-Rossa underage goalie that Antrim were bate 5-22 to 0-20 by Dublin in a friendly.
I was told by a burly ex-Lamh Dhearg free-scoring maestro that they thought the Jacks were the biggest, strongest outfit they've met in a long time.
I was chatting to someone on Sunday who knows the Antrim setup well and he says the panel is quite confident they can take Tyrone.
He said there was a bit of disquiet when the Galls lads came back and some walked straight into the team but I suppose an element of this is to be expected.
I was glad to see Dooher and Stevie O play well for us on Sat v Eskra and the Ref certainly didn't do much to protect either of them from getting decapitated several times
I hope its not like the 1st match v Down 2 years ago where we get off to a great start and then fall asleep. We'll miss Block and probably find it hard to mark Cunningham.
I'll be surprised if B.McG lines out at 11 but like Dooher could be a 2nd half sub most games.
I personally don't think it's fair on the players currently on the panel. The media and fans saying Tyrone will be back once SoN, Dooher, BMcG, Mugsy and co are back. Imagine what it does to the fella's currently playing confidence. Whilst it is great to see them back, we shouldn't be relying on them and giving the lads currently playing more of a confidence boost.
Here Here Ziggy
A lot of us on here, myself included were slating young Cavanagh and of course he's still prone to the odd blunder and is far from the level of Sean, we do have another tall, strong player who can play at MF or half forward.
Had we all had our way he'd have been tossed on the scrap heap and not made any progress during the league.
I suppose this is the hard choices that face a manager
How long does he stick with a player who he knows has talent but continues to never take his chance
Remember Ciaran Loughran years ago. Used to always stand out a mile at training by all accounts but often never reproduced that on the match day.
Will be interested to see who makes the CHF position their own this year
I hope he proves me wrong but I think BmcG's vision restriction has reduced his effectiveness. Collie McCullagh would be an interesting choice there but I think we could see the two Cavanaghs in the half forward line along with Penrose or even young Harte
I'd like to see our spine being
Justy
Joey
Cassidy & Hub
Big Sean
Stevie O'Neill
We need to get a settled right footed free taker as well and my choice is big Sean and not Mugsy or Tommy.
With the game only a few weeks away its certainly all hush hush
I found Mickey Harte's game plan today. It said:
1) Get the ball to Cavanagh
2) Cavanagh stands still
3) Cavanagh shimmys in front of defender
4) Cavanagh runs past defender
5) Cavanagh scores point
If you are an Antrim defender, then rehearse this:
1) Give the ball to a forward
2) Forward stands still
3) Defender knocks ball out of the hands of the forward
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 20, 2010, 11:15:15 PM
Antrim 1-14 Tyrone 1-10
hardstation to be seen streaking down the Andytown road with milltown chasing after him with a cucumber
Bink, bink, bink, bink,
I've got a feeling, bink, bink, bink, bink,
that the Saffs will have a good day, that the Saffs will have a good day etc etc .. Reminds me of the build up to the Down game in 2000 - a team on the way out against a team on the way up .. I think that Antrim will have the hunger and passion to do it (get out and support the team Saffron fans!)... I will, personally, make love to hard station - or Fergie from the Black Eyed Peas (depending on who turns up) on the pitch after the game if we win ... he needs some excitement.
I'v had a vision, Tyrone are going to win Ulster...
Tyrone V Antrim (Qtr Final) A tight match with free flowing football produces high scoring fare. A young lad named Dooher is introduced with fifteen to go and swings over two beauties to win the game by one for the red hands. O'Neill and Hardstation don't get round to leaving the Fruithill Lawn Tennis and Bowling Club for the game and are found at 5pm at two sets each on a thirteen to twelve tie break with O'Neill serving for match point.
Tyrone V Down (Semi Final) Down skip through their Qtr final with relative ease following some spectacular fielding and scoring from a young buck called Clarke. Rumours persist that Paddy O'Rourke was heard giving a rousing speech to the Mourne men at half time.
Tyrone start on fire but are quickly reeled back and find themselves 2 down with 10 mins of the 70 remaining following a Dan Gordon fisted goal, a sense of Deja Vu wafts over the stunned Tyrone support. However, a spectacular sight unfolds when Peter the Great strips of his two piece tracksuit in the stand to reveal the new Target Express rig, he slips of the gutties and laces up the puma kings. Mickey wastes no time and throws him on in FF and he goes on to score one with the left, one with the right and the winner with his head, running away celebrating by claiming he fisted her (this later goes down in Tyrone GAA folklore as "the head of god!") There is drama under the Gerry Arthur stand as Mark Sidebottom is seen to be head butted by an unidentified man in an Omagh CBS training top. Unconfirmed reports claim that the man was heard muttering under his breath..."Omagh St Enda's me Hole!"
Tyrone V Armagh (Ulster Final) A renewal of the great rivalry from the noughties see these two giants of the game lock horns in the sweltering heat of Clones. The 'Hats, Scarves and Headbands' vendors are out in all their finery. The smell of burgers and fried onions drifts down Fermanagh street driving the buckfast brigade clean mad with the munchies. Pre-match entertainment involves a humorous parody of controversial incidents from the games between the two over the previous decade. Peter the Great, fresh from his 'head of god' controversy, plays himself in the crying game with Francie Bellew playing the part of Ciaran McKinney much to the pleasure of the Armagh faithful. All around the ground are surprised when Ricey Mc Menamin appears on the pitch early to recreate his infamous trip which unfortunately ends on his knees landing on a sporting John McEntee.
As the game begins Stevie Mc Donnell and Ronan Clarke are on fire and put Armagh 1-07 to 0-4 ahead after 25 mins. Tyrone make it a two point game at half time with a late 1-03 salvo following a back-heeled nutmeg by a perplexed Dermy Carlin and three from play by SoN. Half time: Armagh 1-09 Tyrone 1-07.
There is love in the air at half time as Ziggy proposes to leenie over the tanoy, she declines as he was too cheap to buy her a ticket for the Gerry Arthur and instead she's stuck up high on the hill. Ziggy is later seen in the Paragon Beer garden drowning his sorrows with Long Runs the Fox and a middle aged woman in a Cullyhana jersey with a lazy right eye.
As the second half begins Tyrone take the upper hand and stretch out a four point lead following a series of free kicks including an unfortunate own point by Paul Hearty who attempted a Rene Higuita scorpion kick that went totally wrong. However, there was applause all round for his valiant attempt. Armagh make a decent fist of a comeback but are thwarted by super sub Dooher who is named man of the match for his impressive 10 minute cameo at the end of the match which included a 50 yard run with continuous keepy uppies and a trade mark sliced point to finished it off. He dedicated that score after the match to a gracious Paddy Bradley who waved down to Dooher from the Mc Grane stand opposite. Final score Tyrone 1-18 Armagh 1-14 and Tyrone are named Ulster Champions for 2010.
There was further drama during the week when the front cover of Tuesdays Irish News was dedicated to Final Whistle's hunger strike due to Paddy Heaney only awarding Colm Cavanagh 6/10 in Mondays match report. Also included in Heaney's match report was an unconfirmed sighting of Paddy O'Rourke rushing to a waiting car from underneath the Gerry Arthur stand in a Red and Black polo top shouting "Up yours you Orange B**tards!"
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 04, 2010, 10:37:50 PM
Anyone like to guess the Tyrone line up for this one? Injuries permitting it could be something along these lines: Devine,Carlin,Justy,McMenamin,Harte,Joe McMahon,Jordan,Hughes,Cassidy,S Cavanagh,B McGuigan,C Cavanagh,Penrose,O'Neill,Mugsy. McGuigan will face tough competition from Harte,Coney and Tommy. If Justy McMahon misses out would expect Sean O'Neill or McCarron in.
I think thats a pretty good stab at it. We have had plenty of experimentation in the league and some valuable experience for younger players but not many have nailed down a place.
Carlin had a good league and deserves his chance in the championship. As the youngest member of the 2003 panel he has been waiting a good while now and this season was maybe make or break. Needs a big championship now to cement his place. Colly Cavanagh and Aidan Cassidy are the others who made great strides in the league and like Carlin they now need to do it on the biggest stage. Cathal McCarron showed signs in his too brief appearances and Id like to see him get a chance over the summer. Sadly Mulgrew is yet to make that kick on we saw from Dermy and Colly and time is running out for him.
Of the rest the likes of Peter Harte, Red Sean, McNabb and Coney had their moments but perhaps not quite ready to make the big leap and become regular starters just yet. Harte and O'Neill maybe.
I know some fans raised concerns over the form of people like Davey Harte, Block and Ricey but I would still reckon these lads will be at the level required when it matters. Lack of game time for Dooher and SON is more of a concern.
I always felt McCullagh was a key man in 2008. Lined out at half forward but dropped back and much of the play went through him. Tyrone didnt have anybody doing that last summer. He hasnt featured much this year though and is perhaps unlikely to get many games which is unfortunate.
Overall there are more questions than answers at the moment and if Tyrone are to really challenge then you are looking for things to click and fall into place with games a la 2008. Not impossible but always a long shot. Then again being written off as an ageing team is a nice way to go into the championship. So much will depend on the mood and confidence in the camp.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 05, 2010, 02:20:21 PM
I personally don't think it's fair on the players currently on the panel. The media and fans saying Tyrone will be back once SoN, Dooher, BMcG, Mugsy and co are back. Imagine what it does to the fella's currently playing confidence. Whilst it is great to see them back, we shouldn't be relying on them and giving the lads currently playing more of a confidence boost.
Players currently on the panel got the team relegated Ziggy.
Quote from: tyssam5 on May 06, 2010, 02:08:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 05, 2010, 02:20:21 PM
I personally don't think it's fair on the players currently on the panel. The media and fans saying Tyrone will be back once SoN, Dooher, BMcG, Mugsy and co are back. Imagine what it does to the fella's currently playing confidence. Whilst it is great to see them back, we shouldn't be relying on them and giving the lads currently playing more of a confidence boost.
Players currently on the panel got the team relegated Ziggy.
I'm prepared for a couple of years of teething problems, if the team is in transition and building towards a team for tomorrow. These things don't happen over night.
My main worries is with the defence which seems to be quite easy to break down in the last year or so
A lot of our half back line has lost its pace and was ran ragged v Cork and all through the league. Pace was one of our main assets in our AI successes and I fear teams can now expose that more if we're not dominating at midfield.
Will Dooher's absence put added pressure on our defense or can Penrose take over that mantle. Does poor Davey look more vulnerable now that Dooher's not there to cover him?
With the exception of a good reliable free taker from the left hand side I think our forwards are strong enough if given good ball.
Midfield looks to have improved or at least have more options but I'd feel a lot happier if Jordan gets back to his high standards and Joey was to replace Davey once and for all but maybe he'll come good again come summer.
If everyone was fit and available I would pick
Packie - Scarier on 1 to 1s
Carlin - Fast & Terrier like but needs to keep it simple
Justy - Get back to where he was in 08 & 09
McCarron or Ricey - Ricey has gone backwards big time and needs to get back to
basics but has the experience - CmcC a great prospect
Joey or maybe Justy
Block Pace gone but still has enough to make up for it as long as not exposed
Jordan - if can get back to where he was else Sean O'Neill or Ricey
Hub -Great year last year and needs to build on that
Cassidy - Needs to make this jersey his own now
Colm Cav - Help MF & Punch last min goals
Sean - Help MF & RUN RUN RUN FORREST
Collie McC -
Mugsy - Last year perhaps?
SoN - Still feels he has something to prove to the 2008 doubters
Penrose - Can swap with Collie
trying to pick my GL team, whos the beard going to start most games packie or jd
lads we will all have to get to Casement early that day. all meet down at the pub under the stand, i'll be there in my All Ireland Blue ;) Hardstation will be there in his Tipp colours and Saffron Sam will be there in his Sarsfields colours ;)
i'll buy the first so get down early.
ANTRIM BY A POINT!!!
Reading on the Tyrone Club thread that Cassidy suffered a broken ankle today. Very unfortunate for the lad who would likely have started against Antrim after a very good league campaign.
Spillane predicts in the paper today a victory for Antrim in the 1st round :o
Says he expects a first round ulster championship exit for the boys from tyrone :o
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 09, 2010, 05:58:13 PM
Spillane predicts in the paper today a victory for Antrim in the 1st round :o
Says he expects a first round ulster championship exit for the boys from tyrone :o
:o :o
did he give out any lotto numbers?
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 09, 2010, 05:58:13 PM
Spillane predicts in the paper today a victory for Antrim in the 1st round :o
Says he expects a first round ulster championship exit for the boys from tyrone :o
Anything's possible.
Tyrone have a shocking injury list right now. Home advantage is with Antrim.
Tyrone will be favourites. Antrim have nothing to lose.
Baker will be happy enough.
Before Sligo game I'd have thought Antrim were in with a bit of a chance but after seeing that Tyrone could put out a B-team and beat them. In Ulster final last year was over after 15 minutes... is a massive gap between the two counties.
It remains to be seen how antrim pick themselves up from the sligo game.
Tyrone would be much better than Sligo too. It worries me.
In saying that the St Galls boys didn't really turn up against Sligo and I couldn't see them being so bad again. If they up their game then there is an outside chance with it being the first round.
The sligo performance, not result, is very worrying though.
As usual, Spillane's on the money.
lads, none of this "he is entitled to his opinion dung please!" ::) He is a w**ker. END OF! ;)
Anyone know the story with Mc Ginley? Is he back with the squad yet? Looks like it will be Hub and C Cavanagh starting in MF.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2010, 09:19:47 PM
It remains to be seen how antrim pick themselves up from the sligo game.
Tyrone would be much better than Sligo too. It worries me.
In saying that the St Galls boys didn't really turn up against Sligo and I couldn't see them being so bad again. If they up their game then there is an outside chance with it being the first round.
The sligo performance, not result, is very worrying though.
I'd say at this stge that Baker will have them prepared for Casement, am looking forward to it immensely
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 09, 2010, 05:58:13 PM
Spillane predicts in the paper today a victory for Antrim in the 1st round :o
Says he expects a first round ulster championship exit for the boys from tyrone :o
Hopefully he'll be even more red-faced afetr the game. c**k.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2010, 09:48:43 AM
Anyone know the story with Mc Ginley? Is he back with the squad yet? Looks like it will be Hub and C Cavanagh starting in MF.
Enda suffered a hamstring injury a week after he left the Tyrone squad. He has not played since and I heard he had a recurrence last week :-\ He will not be back for Tyrone any time soon.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 10, 2010, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 09, 2010, 05:58:13 PM
Spillane predicts in the paper today a victory for Antrim in the 1st round :o
Says he expects a first round ulster championship exit for the boys from tyrone :o
Hopefully he'll be even more red-faced afetr the game. c**k.
While I think he is wrong is he not allowed to express that opinion? jees! ::) freedom of speech is dying a death in Tyrone these days.
I predict a win for Tipperary next Sunday as well.
Just expressing my opinion.
As a matter of interest when was the last time Antrim beat Tyrone.
Was it in the 80's in Omagh?
Any ticket craic for this? I am assuming only the stand will be ticketed but does anyone know for sure?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 10, 2010, 02:38:56 PM
I predict a win for Tipperary next Sunday as well.
Just expressing my opinion.
As a matter of interest when was the last time Antrim beat Tyrone.
Was it in the 80's in Omagh?
I can't see Tipp beating Kerry but if that's how you see it. Did you predict Naoimi Long to beat Peter Robinson :o
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 10, 2010, 02:38:56 PM
I predict a win for Tipperary next Sunday as well.
Just expressing my opinion.
As a matter of interest when was the last time Antrim beat Tyrone.
Was it in the 80's in Omagh?
Mr Fox. Point is , he wouldnt bet any money on Antrim winning, but just to be a contoversial idiot he comes out with this dung!. He wins, we are talking about him . He is on the windup. Hogan stand is the place for WUMS, not a newspaper, although the more I think about it, that paper is maybe a WHOLE f**king windup ;D
I can't see Tipp beating Kerry but if that's how you see it. Did you predict Naoimi Long to beat Peter Robinson :o
I see a few Alliance folk won a tank of money on Naoimi Long. I suppose if he i son a windup he is acting the bollox and shouldn't be writing that but with his limited knowledge of football I suspect he believes it which he is entitled to...
Day pass secured.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 10, 2010, 02:38:56 PM
I predict a win for Tipperary next Sunday as well.
Just expressing my opinion.
As a matter of interest when was the last time Antrim beat Tyrone.
Was it in the 80's in Omagh?
can remember antrim beating tyrone in a league game in coalisland around 1993.
Antrim bt Tyrone by a point that day,think it was a division 3 game.
Quote from: ONeill on May 11, 2010, 11:41:33 PM
Day pass secured.
now when you head into Casement's bar, turn right and I'll be propping up the bar. usually get a pint quick enough!!! bring Saffron and i'll buy him a pint also, buy the hatchet and all that ::)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 09, 2010, 08:47:57 PM
Before Sligo game I'd have thought Antrim were in with a bit of a chance but after seeing that Tyrone could put out a B-team and beat them. In Ulster final last year was over after 15 minutes... is a massive gap between the two counties.
Yet Antrim went on to take Kerry to the wire while Tyrone were hammered by Cork.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 12, 2010, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 11, 2010, 11:41:33 PM
Day pass secured.
now when you head into Casement's bar, turn right and I'll be propping up the bar. usually get a pint quick enough!!! bring Saffron and i'll buy him a pint also, buy the hatchet and all that ::)
They sell hatchets behind the bar? f**k I thought the war was over.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 12, 2010, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 11, 2010, 11:41:33 PM
Day pass secured.
now when you head into Casement's bar, turn right and I'll be propping up the bar. usually get a pint quick enough!!! bring Saffron and i'll buy him a pint also, buy the hatchet and all that ::)
I should be around also so one at a time in buying me pints lads...I'm not quite the man I used to be. ;D
I've got a pass myself which is amazing considering I'm out the night before
Will probably be up with FoSB so could meet ye for wan.
I'll take spare pair of shoes just in case
Quote from: ONeill on May 11, 2010, 11:41:33 PM
Day pass secured.
So you dont have to use the line "Just nipping out for a loaf honey, back shortly"?
Quote from: hardstation on May 12, 2010, 09:46:46 PM
This is shaping up to be one of the biggest ever gaaboard gatherings.
It'll not happen.
Yes, it will all end in tears when Hardstation chickens out of introducing herself.
Quote from: Zapatista on May 12, 2010, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 09, 2010, 08:47:57 PM
Before Sligo game I'd have thought Antrim were in with a bit of a chance but after seeing that Tyrone could put out a B-team and beat them. In Ulster final last year was over after 15 minutes... is a massive gap between the two counties.
Yet Antrim went on to take Kerry to the wire while Tyrone were hammered by Cork.
...and? Kerry were crap until they got to the Dublin game. Sligo should beaten them. That means nothing... Tyrone V Antrim a total mis-match as it will be next week.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 12, 2010, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 12, 2010, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 09, 2010, 08:47:57 PM
Before Sligo game I'd have thought Antrim were in with a bit of a chance but after seeing that Tyrone could put out a B-team and beat them. In Ulster final last year was over after 15 minutes... is a massive gap between the two counties.
Yet Antrim went on to take Kerry to the wire while Tyrone were hammered by Cork.
...and? Kerry were crap until they got to the Dublin game. Sligo should beaten them. That means nothing... Tyrone V Antrim a total mis-match as it will be next week.
Just saying isall. I actually agree with ye ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on May 12, 2010, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 12, 2010, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 12, 2010, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 09, 2010, 08:47:57 PM
Before Sligo game I'd have thought Antrim were in with a bit of a chance but after seeing that Tyrone could put out a B-team and beat them. In Ulster final last year was over after 15 minutes... is a massive gap between the two counties.
Yet Antrim went on to take Kerry to the wire while Tyrone were hammered by Cork.
...and? Kerry were crap until they got to the Dublin game. Sligo should beaten them. That means nothing... Tyrone V Antrim a total mis-match as it will be next week.
Just saying isall. I actually agree with ye ;)
Oh!! no problem :P
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 12, 2010, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 11, 2010, 11:41:33 PM
Day pass secured.
now when you head into Casement's bar, turn right and I'll be propping up the bar. usually get a pint quick enough!!! bring Saffron and i'll buy him a pint also, bury the hatchet and all that ::)
Knowing you, you'll probably try to bury it in my head :)
And miss with that big agricultural swing of yours. :)
I shall be about that day alright, but it's looking like Fruithill.
Antrim and Sligo improved alot after the league last yr, that div4 final was rubbish and we didnt do to bad after that. Championship is completely different. Antrim are home, and i cant see them rolling over. Tyrone arent as good as previous yrs imo... personnally like to see Antrim win, being underdogs. Cant see it being anything other than a seriously tight match.
Quote from: hardstation on May 12, 2010, 11:47:08 PM
The fruits:
Mysel'
Fuzzman
FoSB
Saffron Sam
ONeill
Maybes:
Milltown Row
Gabriel Hurl (was talking a good game earlier in the year)
Tyrone's Own (Undecided)
Anyone else?
Include me in
Quote from: hardstation on May 12, 2010, 11:47:08 PM
The fruits:
Mysel'
Fuzzman
FoSB
Saffron Sam
ONeill
Maybes:
Milltown Row
Gabriel Hurl (was talking a good game earlier in the year)
Tyrone's Own (Undecided)
Anyone else?
Definitley going...dunno about the pinting, I've a long drive home...maybe a very small Campari and Soda to take the bad look off hardstation
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 13, 2010, 12:41:17 AM
Antrim and Sligo improved alot after the league last yr, that div4 final was rubbish and we didnt do to bad after that. Championship is completely different. Antrim are home, and i cant see them rolling over. Tyrone arent as good as previous yrs imo... personnally like to see Antrim win, being underdogs. Cant see it being anything other than a seriously tight match.
I don't know what to expect from Tyrone given the players that will be missing through injury and lack of game time to the players who have missed most of the league and are returning from injury. Maybe it could give fringe players like Sean O'Neill and Carlin a chance to stake a claim for a more permanent position, and the one thing the like of these two have in their armoury is pace which is what we seem to be missing with Gormley and Davey Harte in the team. What the story with CmcC? Really would have liked to see him get more game time during the league and prime him for a run at the Number 11 position which he played so wee in 2008.
Is Joe McMeel from Augher going?
How many times have I to f**king say this. Conor Gormley is not slow!!! He is faster than Justin McMahon, Philip Jordan, Ricey, Joe McMahon to name but a few who you lot all think are better defenders than Gormley because he has lost a yard of pace. I would bet that he is faster than Sean O'Neill too infact.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on May 13, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
How many times have I to f**king say this. Conor Gormley is not slow!!! He is faster than Justin McMahon, Philip Jordan, Ricey, Joe McMahon to name but a few who you lot all think are better defenders than Gormley because he has lost a yard of pace. I would bet that he is faster than Sean O'Neill too infact.
I seem to remember Ronan Clarke skipping around him easy last year, and Gormleys's only defence was to pull him down.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on May 13, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
How many times have I to f**king say this. Conor Gormley is not slow!!! He is faster than Justin McMahon, Philip Jordan, Ricey, Joe McMahon to name but a few who you lot all think are better defenders than Gormley because he has lost a yard of pace. I would bet that he is faster than Sean O'Neill too infact.
I seiously doubt he is faster than Sean O'Neill. There are very few who can carry a ball as fast as Sean O'Neill.
Clarke didnt skip round him because of speed. Gormley won that battle against Clarke last year according to every paper and pundit. Even the great Seamus Monaghan couldnt keep Clarke quiet and him only a cub at the time.
Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2010, 03:12:44 PM
We beat Fermanagh last night and that's right beside Tyrone.
Going by your logic more than half the Coutnies in Ulster are right beside Tyrone.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 13, 2010, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2010, 03:12:44 PM
We beat Fermanagh last night and that's right beside Tyrone.
Going by your logic more than half the Coutnies in Ulster are right beside Tyrone.
They are ???
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 13, 2010, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2010, 03:12:44 PM
We beat Fermanagh last night and that's right beside Tyrone.
Going by your logic more than half the Coutnies in Ulster are right beside Tyrone.
What other logic is there?
Quote from: hardstation on May 12, 2010, 11:47:08 PM
The fruits:
Mysel'
Fuzzman
FoSB
Saffron Sam
ONeill
Maybes:
Milltown Row
Gabriel Hurl (was talking a good game earlier in the year)
Tyrone's Own (Undecided)
Anyone else?
Put me down as a maybe, got a pass for the weekend coming and intend to bring the boys and Mrs along as well so it's a maybe
Will you be having a pre match Bar B Que Hardstation?
Count me in for a steak if you're grillin'......
so is that a yes or no
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 13, 2010, 07:33:09 PM
Put me down as a maybe, got a pass for the weekend coming and intend to bring the boys and Mrs along as well so it's a maybe
Call that a pass?
Feck sake, wet the ba's head in style.
Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on May 13, 2010, 08:01:12 PM
Will you be having a pre match Bar B Que Hardstation?
Count me in for a steak if you're grillin'......
Quote from: hardstation on August 18, 2009, 10:02:26 PM
BBQs should be banned. The biggest heap of shite. I understand the concept, in that, in roasting hot countries cooking indoors is horrendous.
We (most of us) live in Ireland. BBQs are not needed.
1) The food tastes burnt. Rotten.
2) The person having the BBQ says "It's a lovely day. We're having a BBQ. Starts about half 5." You get there at half 5. They say, "Ah f**k, the food isn't cooked yet". You wait 'til half 6 before you take your first bite of carbon. You have been sitting outside for an hour on a shitty wee plastic seat, freezing your ballix off. By the time you have finished eating the shite, you're shivering.
3) Why, just because you have had a BBQ, do you have to sit outside for ages after you've finished eating? We live in Ireland and it is f**king freezing.
Fcuk, I hate BBQs.
I hope this answers your question.
Good stuff Hardstation. Do you need us to bring anything?
Any other 'Boarders coming along?
I'll bring a skewer.
May even be able to drag along Zapatista too!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 13, 2010, 10:39:52 PM
May even be able to drag along Zapatista too!
I could buy ardmhachaabu a pint (if it was ok withhis mrs)
Quote from: Zapatista on May 13, 2010, 10:58:09 PM
I could buy ardmhachaabu a pint (if it was ok withhis mrs)
His Mrs is sound, she seeks help from the Shinners ;)
Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2010, 11:02:24 PM
Every hoor claiming they'll buy such and such a pint. I'll not be buying any one of yis a pint. I'll buck my own goat. Cnuts.
Ah but sure your doing the BBQ. Evey **** will wanna buy you a pint. Slick move there.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 13, 2010, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 13, 2010, 10:58:09 PM
I could buy ardmhachaabu a pint (if it was ok withhis mrs)
His Mrs is sound, she seeks help from the Shinners ;)
Are you saying I won't deliver either :D
Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2010, 11:16:39 PM
Get down early!
1 o'clock mass in St. Agnes'.
We'd need to chip in a few quid each and send in to the Parish Priest so he'll skip the homily and free up 10 mins extra pinting time!
Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2010, 11:16:39 PM
Get down early!
1 o'clock mass in St. Agnes'.
hs's copping out already. (What a pretext!)
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 14, 2010, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 13, 2010, 11:16:39 PM
Get down early!
1 o'clock mass in St. Agnes'.
We'd need to chip in a few quid each and send in to the Parish Priest so he'll skip the homily and free up 10 mins extra pinting time!
The post match reports on this will be good.
Quote from: hardstation on May 14, 2010, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 14, 2010, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: hardstation link=topic=14197.msg782073#msg782073
date=1273788999
Get down early!
1 o'clock mass in St. Agnes'.
We'd need to chip in a few quid each and send in to the Parish Priest so he'll skip the homily and free up 10 mins extra pinting time!
Erm, you've obviously not been to mass in west Belfast in recent years. You're allowed to bring your carryout in with ye. They draw the line at gluebags though. Archaic cnuts.
I worked up on the Glen Rd for 8 months a few years ago and funny enough I always noticed a lot of blue bags floating around St Theresa's on a Sunday afternoon. Must have been the locals bringing their own 'blood of christ' to 12 0'Clock mass!
Having a pre-match BBQ the day before in a nice riverside bar, saffron, white and red theme. Continuing the party the next day somewhere up Casement direction with a crowd of Carginites.
Quote from: Rois on May 14, 2010, 08:18:08 AM
Having a pre-match BBQ the day before in a nice riverside bar, saffron, white and red theme. Continuing the party the next day somewhere up Casement direction with a crowd of Carginites.
Was sounding good there Rois until the last word of your post ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on May 13, 2010, 10:58:09 PM
I could buy ardmhachaabu a pint (if it was ok withhis mrs)
I don't have to ask her if it's ok to have a pint :D
Heading out on Saturday night coming to a GAA talkback night and on Sunday to the club for the match, I promised her to take the boys to the Casement game though so I don't know if I would be able to back out of it now. Yis could say hello anyway unless yis are all like hardstation and dead shy
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 13, 2010, 11:01:56 PM
His Mrs is sound, she seeks help from the Shinners ;)
:D
Quote from: hardstation on May 14, 2010, 09:55:24 PM
I'm going to be half watered by 4 o'clock.
were u drinkin at 1st HS? might meet ya for a pint
Fcuk me lads I'd hate for a game of football to break out and interrupt this social networking........ ;)
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2010, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: The Worker on May 14, 2010, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 14, 2010, 09:55:24 PM
I'm going to be half watered by 4 o'clock.
were u drinkin at 1st HS? might meet ya for a pint
Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling Club.
Why are we going to Fruithill?
Exactly...where are we really going?
This Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling Club shite is so unbelievable it just might be true.
Right Hardstation, help everyone get organised and tell us exactly where and when?
Quote from: hardstation on May 16, 2010, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 16, 2010, 09:57:13 PM
This Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling Club shite is so unbelievable it just might be true.
Right Hardstation, help everyone get organised and tell us exactly where and when?
It is true, as far as I'm aware. I'll be in the Dockers from about half 8, then up to the Pigeon Club. I'll steadily make my way up the road for just after 1.
Are you a politician?
What time does the minor match start at?
Y'see that's the tough one. I'm planning on the tennis and bowling for around 1230ish. Really want to see the minor game but they also have nice, cheap stout. Suppose the second half will just be starting around 2.45 and that might suit.
So Gormley, Cassidy definitely out - McGinley too?
Any word on O'Neill's fitness?
Quote from: ONeill on May 17, 2010, 12:05:21 AM
Y'see that's the tough one. I'm planning on the tennis and bowling for around 1230ish. Really want to see the minor game but they also have nice, cheap stout. Suppose the second half will just be starting around 2.45 and that might suit.
So Gormley, Cassidy definitely out - McGinley too?
Any word on O'Neill's fitness?
Surely you would know if your fit yourself?
I am feeling very confident about this. Tyrone are in no man's land this season and it reminds me of the time Down beat them two years ago. Antrim are no worse than that Down team. Steven O'Niell, Brian Dooher and Jim McMahon have had little game time.
On the other hand the sight of a Tyrone scalp will make the St Galls boys pull their socks up and be motivated for this, something that was hard for them after St Patrick's Day. I think we can win this by 2-3 points as long as we get a good start not like July last. I think that he should start as many players as possible as this will be no bother in terms of motivaton.
Quote from: Olly on May 17, 2010, 09:58:12 AM
I am feeling very confident about this. Tyrone are in no man's land this season and it reminds me of the time Down beat them two years ago. Antrim are no worse than that Down team. Steven O'Niell, Brian Dooher and Jim McMahon have had little game time.
On the other hand the sight of a Tyrone scalp will make the St Galls boys pull their socks up and be motivated for this, something that was hard for them after St Patrick's Day. I think we can win this by 2-3 points as long as we get a good start not like July last. I think that he should start as many players as possible as this will be no bother in terms of motivaton.
Like what 20, 25?
Quote from: Olly on May 17, 2010, 09:58:12 AM
I am feeling very confident about this. Tyrone are in no man's land this season and it reminds me of the time Down beat them two years ago. Antrim are no worse than that Down team. Steven O'Niell, Brian Dooher and Jim McMahon have had little game time.
On the other hand the sight of a Tyrone scalp will make the St Galls boys pull their socks up and be motivated for this, something that was hard for them after St Patrick's Day. I think we can win this by 2-3 points as long as we get a good start not like July last. I think that he should start as many players as possible as this will be no bother in terms of motivaton.
Mickey Harte's secret weapon??
Tyrone are not on the wane. Sure they were relegated but they lost a fair few games by the odd kick of the ball. They beat Kerry. They weren't too far off being comforatble in Div 1 for next season. I think Tyrone will enjoy the lower key build up than in recent years.
Antrim had their second good league in a row and back to back promotions represents great progress for a county like Antrim. However the League Final was a bit of an eye-opener. Sligo played it like a championship game and Antrim struggled badly. The big question is, how have the St Galls players reacted to that defeat and have they been able to get themselves up to inter-county speed in the last month? Tyrone will be at least one cut above anyone they played in Div 3. Playing at Casement may be a small advantage though Tyrone seem to enjoy playing there too. There should be a decent crowd and a good atmosphere (once all the boys arrive from the Fruithill Club).
Tyrone by 3.
Antrim team??
1. Finucane
2. Brady
3. McClean
4. O'Boyle
5. Kelly
6. Crozier
7. Loughrey
8. M McCann
9. Gallagher (presuming Herron will be unfit)
10. O'Neill
11. Niblock
12. T McCann
13. Cunningham
14. Magill
15. McGourty
Gee lads ye are slow with the real football chat on this game
Is that cos we're avoiding the subject cos we're scared of what we're gonna do or not do.
For me there is a feeling of worry before the Down game 2 years ago but I think with Big Sean, SON, Penrose & Mugsy we should have enough scoring threat
So it comes down to how well our defence will do and how much pressure will they be under. How will we cope without Block and will Davey be targeted again as our weak leak so they get his man a lot of possession and tell him to run all day.
I would like to see
Packie
Ricey
Justy
McCarron
Carlin
Joey
Jordan
Sean
Hub
Colm Cav
Penrose
Tommy
Mugsy
SON
MCCullagh
Sean to kick all frees from the left
Am I leaving anyone obvious out?
Dooher to come in after 50 mins though I think he's fit enough to start
Was looking for the new jersey and got it from the Tyrone club thread
http://www.oneills.com/files/shop/viewbuynow.php?PR=95&CID=6 (http://www.oneills.com/files/shop/viewbuynow.php?PR=95&CID=6)
Quote from: ONeill on May 17, 2010, 12:05:21 AM
Y'see that's the tough one. I'm planning on the tennis and bowling for around 1230ish. Really want to see the minor game but they also have nice, cheap stout. Suppose the second half will just be starting around 2.45 and that might suit.
So Gormley, Cassidy definitely out - McGinley too?
Any word on O'Neill's fitness?
Sure he is not even on the panel! Def out anyway as he recovering from a hamstring injury. Not even training yet :-\
Who else do you think will be pushing for starting places on this Tyrone team for this game?
Peter Harte?
McNabb?
Mellon?
Brian Mc
Has young McAnulla any hope of game this year?
Am i right to say McKenna is behind those other younger lads in the current pecking order?
I'd love to see how Justy would fair at CHB and Joey at FB
I wonder do they discuss that among themselves not that Harte would be interested
Is Kycle Coney off the radar for the year? I think that summer football will be where we see the best of him, not in a swamp in mid February.
Is Aodhan Gallagher not a certain starter for Antrim? I see it mentioned that he will play if Herron is unfit, but I would have though Gallagher was one of Antrim's key men.
Fuzz - has Dooher and SON played much for CNG of late? What is the word around the condition they are in? I would also love to see Joe back at No.3 and try Justy at 6, and Carlin has to start.
Sunday 23rd May 2010
Ulster Senior Football Championship Quarter Final
Antrim v Tyrone, Throw In 4.00pm at Casement Park, Belfast
Ulster Minor Football Championship Quarter Final
Antrim v Tyrone, Throw In 2.00pm at Casement Park, Belfast
Ticketing:
This is not an all-ticket event. Patrons can pay in at the gate.
Tickets are available through Clubs and County Boards.
Ticket Prices:
Covered Stand €27 / £23
Terrace €15 / £13
OAP Terrace €10 / £9
OAP Open Seating €15 / £13
U16s free into Open seating and Terrace
There's something missing here.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2010, 01:25:42 PM
Is Kycle Coney off the radar for the year? I think that summer football will be where we see the best of him, not in a swamp in mid February.
Is Aodhan Gallagher not a certain starter for Antrim? I see it mentioned that he will play if Herron is unfit, but I would have though Gallagher was one of Antrim's key men.
Fuzz - has Dooher and SON played much for CNG of late? What is the word around the condition they are in? I would also love to see Joe back at No.3 and try Justy at 6, and Carlin has to start.
nrico this is only my guess at an Antrim team. Baker seems to like Herron and he had a good league. Aidso is probably more mobile and can take the odd score but Herron is a bit more physical. It will be interesting to see what team Baker puts out on the day...
Herron and Gallagher midfield, McCann centre half forward, Kelly centre half back.
Finucane
Brady McClean O'Boyle
Scullion Kelly Crozier
Gallagher Herron
Loughrey McCann Somebody else
Cunningham Magill McCann
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 17, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
Herron and Gallagher midfield, McCann centre half forward, Kelly centre half back.
Finucane
Brady McClean O'Boyle
Scullion Kelly Crozier
Gallagher Herron
Loughrey McCann Somebody else
Cunningham Magill McCann
Niblock not fit, SS2??
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 17, 2010, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 17, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
Herron and Gallagher midfield, McCann centre half forward, Kelly centre half back.
Finucane
Brady McClean O'Boyle
Scullion Kelly Crozier
Gallagher Herron
Loughrey McCann Somebody else
Cunningham Magill McCann
Niblock not fit, SS2??
Not looking good.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2010, 01:25:42 PM
Fuzz - has Dooher and SON played much for CNG of late? What is the word around the condition they are in? I would also love to see Joe back at No.3 and try Justy at 6, and Carlin has to start.
I havent been up home for many games but I saw them both play v Eskra and they both played very well showing no ill effects.
I think Stevie will defo start and was back kicking points from all angles and taking a lot of abuse as was Dooher
I read in the Gaelic Life or was it the Irish News that Doohers fitness level is higher than many other squad members but I'd expect Dooher to come on 2nd half or maybe start and come off 2nd half.
So is Coney definitely out? Is it his back?
Will be interesting to see does Colm continue his good form for this game.
I hope he doesnt try his diving shIte again looking for frees.
Will we see Mulgrew again?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2010, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2010, 01:25:42 PM
Fuzz - has Dooher and SON played much for CNG of late? What is the word around the condition they are in? I would also love to see Joe back at No.3 and try Justy at 6, and Carlin has to start.
I havent been up home for many games but I saw them both play v Eskra and they both played very well showing no ill effects.
I think Stevie will defo start and was back kicking points from all angles and taking a lot of abuse as was Dooher
I read in the Gaelic Life or was it the Irish News that Doohers fitness level is higher than many other squad members but I'd expect Dooher to come on 2nd half or maybe start and come off 2nd half.
So is Coney definitely out? Is it his back?
Will be interesting to see does Colm continue his good form for this game.
I hope he doesnt try his diving shIte again looking for frees.
Will we see Mulgrew again?
I'd say Colm Cav is a def starter especially with Enda and Cassidy unavailable. My stab at a 1st 15 would be:
Devine
Carlin
Joe
Mc Carron
Davy/Ricey
Justy
Jordan
Colm Cav
Hub
Pete Harte
S Cav
Mellon
Penrose
O Neill
Mugsy
leaves lenty of options on the bench but I still can't see Harte starting without Davy and Ricey so they'll probably be fitted in somewhere.
Oh Yeah I forgot Davey
i'm sure loads wont believe me but I just forgot him
Yeah he'll defo start and hopes Dooher starts too
From my sources Dooher is ready to go as is Stevie but Mickey knows best
Kyle Coney and Tommy McGuigan both fit for Sunday (see BBC website)
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 17, 2010, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2010, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2010, 01:25:42 PM
Fuzz - has Dooher and SON played much for CNG of late? What is the word around the condition they are in? I would also love to see Joe back at No.3 and try Justy at 6, and Carlin has to start.
I havent been up home for many games but I saw them both play v Eskra and they both played very well showing no ill effects.
I think Stevie will defo start and was back kicking points from all angles and taking a lot of abuse as was Dooher
I read in the Gaelic Life or was it the Irish News that Doohers fitness level is higher than many other squad members but I'd expect Dooher to come on 2nd half or maybe start and come off 2nd half.
So is Coney definitely out? Is it his back?
Will be interesting to see does Colm continue his good form for this game.
I hope he doesnt try his diving shIte again looking for frees.
Will we see Mulgrew again?
I'd say Colm Cav is a def starter especially with Enda and Cassidy unavailable. My stab at a 1st 15 would be:
Devine
Carlin
Joe
Mc Carron
Davy/Ricey
Justy
Jordan
Colm Cav
Hub
Pete Harte
S Cav
Mellon
Penrose
O Neill
Mugsy
leaves lenty of options on the bench but I still can't see Harte starting without Davy and Ricey so they'll probably be fitted in somewhere.
That front 6 could do serious damage ;D I would love if it is correct.
Crikey, all these Tyrone men want to talk about is football.
If I was an Antrim man I'd be getting very worried.
Like the new top but trying to work out losing puns around the Target logo.
Like the new top too... more traditional look a la 1986
http://www.thegaastore.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=tyrone&Click=20391
Sponser looks rank
Quote from: ONeill on May 17, 2010, 06:41:42 PM
Like the new top but trying to work out losing puns around the Target logo.
Now you're starting to sound like David Brent in the jelly episode of the Office.
Quote from: ONeill on May 17, 2010, 12:05:21 AM
Y'see that's the tough one. I'm planning on the tennis and bowling for around 1230ish. Really want to see the minor game but they also have nice, cheap stout. Suppose the second half will just be starting around 2.45 and that might suit.
Should make it for 12:30ish, with hobnail boots.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2010, 05:13:56 PM
Oh Yeah I forgot Davey
i'm sure loads wont believe me but I just forgot him
Yeah he'll defo start and hopes Dooher starts too
From my sources Dooher is ready to go as is Stevie but Mickey knows best
We all believe ye Fuzz ;)
Quotemore traditional look a la 1986
t'was a very good year....
Heard Kevin McGourty was back in the panel. Can anyone else confirm this or is it just a wind up?
Quote from: Larry Duff on May 18, 2010, 08:41:50 AM
Heard Kevin McGourty was back in the panel. Can anyone else confirm this or is it just a wind up?
Yes its a fact,back in training last week
Quote from: Larry Duff on May 18, 2010, 08:41:50 AM
Heard Kevin McGourty was back in the panel. Can anyone else confirm this or is it just a wind up?
I saw this on the front of the Irish News...haven't got to read the paper yet.
I see Mc Gourty back in the panel. Is this a sign of Baker weakness or strength? He seems to be happy enough to surround himself with egomaniacs.
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2010, 09:07:10 AM
I see Mc Gourty back in the panel. Is this a sign of Baker weakness or strength? He seems to be happy enough to surround himself with egomaniacs.
Like Paddy?
This a wonderful development and the final piece in the jigsaw. Kevin's delightful aura will permeate any self doubt in the squad. This is like Canavan returning to Tyrone or Fitzgerald playing again for Derry. I can see him blitzing Cavanagh and keeping him on the back foot throughout the game. Mark my words, Harte will be a very worried man tonight.
Now you all know who "Someone else" is.
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2010, 09:07:10 AM
I see Mc Gourty back in the panel. Is this a sign of Baker weakness or strength? He seems to be happy enough to surround himself with egomaniacs.
Bit of a surprise right enough...on the plus side I've always said on his day and with his head right Kevin McGourty is one of the best footballers in Ulster, certainly worth his place in the team on talent alone. He can cope with the physical side of the game, can take a score and has a great football brain (you can all tell by this stage ther's a "but" coming)...
BUT...
Has he enough time to get up to speed with inter county championship football after a couple of years not even playing a league game??
The question is, is Baker doing this simply because he wants the best players available to him. (Ans: Fair enough)..or
A few days before the biggest game of the season so far has he realised that what he has is not enough (Ans: Oh shit)
It sets the game up well now. I was worried as to where Antrim were going to get their pre match media sound bites from - wasnt he the man who felt Tyrone last all ireland win was lucky? The Fianna Fail gig must have turned sour. When you are 27 and the media aint listenin' you really have to go find a county team quickly. In all seriousness good luck to him, and hope he sees some game time on Saturday.
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2010, 09:18:56 AM
It sets the game up well now. I was worried as to where Antrim were going to get their pre match media sound bites from - wasnt he the man who felt Tyrone last all ireland win was lucky? The Fianna Fail gig must have turned sour. When you are 27 and the media aint listenin' you really have to go find a county team quickly. In all seriousness good luck to him, and hope he sees some game time on Saturday.
What about Sunday do you think he should get a run out?
Awful decision. Any unity within the squad will be destroyed now.
Quote from: Olly on May 18, 2010, 09:11:37 AM
This a wonderful development and the final piece in the jigsaw. Kevin's delightful aura will permeate any self doubt in the squad. This is like Canavan returning to Tyrone or Fitzgerald playing again for Derry. I can see him blitzing Cavanagh and keeping him on the back foot throughout the game. Mark my words, Harte will be a very worried man tonight.
Iwish !
Quote from: rrhf on May 18, 2010, 09:07:10 AM
I see Mc Gourty back in the panel. Is this a sign of Baker weakness or strength? He seems to be happy enough to surround himself with egomaniacs.
Weakness, I'd say. Same with parachuting in 6 St Gall's players for the league final. Not that they (or Kevin) shouldn't feature in Antrim's plans. It's just that the haste of their inclusion showed a lack of faith in the panel he developed and relied on throughout the league. The fact that 5 of the 6 performed so poorly demonstrated that this "desperation" clouded his judgement over their physical and/or mental readiness for the match. I'm not questioning their (or Kevin's) undoubted ability, just the timing.
Baker doesn't do "man management". He might not even do rational thought by some accounts. That in itself has been such a shock to the Antrim psyche that it has woken the county out of its slumber. But I fear the honeymoon period is coming to an end...both for Antrim and Baker. Baker will be Derry manager next year...
Anyone seen the new Tyrone jersey yet?
Think it was unveiled last night.
Overthepostsawide, very good post. I echo your thoughts on all issues, from the 6 lads being brought pretty much straight back in to the team, to Baker's man-management being non-existent to your thought he'll be Derru manager next year.
Quote from: maggie on May 18, 2010, 12:23:33 PM
Anyone seen the new Tyrone jersey yet?
Think it was unveiled last night.
It's on this thread via a link somewhere and it's posted on the Tyrone club thread.
Thanks Zap, just checked it out.
Cue 'Tyrone on Target' headlines on Mon :-\
Quote from: maggie on May 18, 2010, 12:35:31 PM
Thanks Zap, just checked it out.
Cue 'Tyrone on Target' headlines on Mon :-\
Hopefully not 'Harte Targets Back Door!'
Gee folks it's hard to get ye to talk about the possible team for this game.
Is that cos it's so up in the air after such a strange NFL
Who will mark Cunningham?
Will Hub play as well on Casement as he did last year v Derry
How's gonna hit our frees or will we play roulette with Mugsy, Sean, Tommy and maybe even Sean O'Neill
Will SoN be double marked or a spare man in front of him.
Will we go on all out attack or will Antrim do what Tohill said last week that the so called lesser teams (Sorry Saffs)
Get 13 men behind the ball so we will see loads of hand passing (If done correctly) around the 40 yard yellow wall?
Actually maybe that's what their tactic will be. Force Tyrone into loads of handpassing so that they eventually get blown up for an illegal one
I hope its not a negative defensive game anyways as I'm sure we'll see enough of them this year.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
Gee folks it's hard to get ye to talk about the possible team for this game.
Is that cos it's so up in the air after such a strange NFL
Who will mark Cunningham?
Will Hub play as well on Casement as he did last year v Derry
How's gonna hit our frees or will we play roulette with Mugsy, Sean, Tommy and maybe even Sean O'Neill
Will SoN be double marked or a spare man in front of him.
Will we go on all out attack or will Antrim do what Tohill said last week that the so called lesser teams (Sorry Saffs)
Get 13 men behind the ball so we will see loads of hand passing (If done correctly) around the 40 yard yellow wall?
Actually maybe that's what their tactic will be. Force Tyrone into loads of handpassing so that they eventually get blown up for an illegal one
I hope its not a negative defensive game anyways as I'm sure we'll see enough of them this year.
Sorry to say Fuzz you might be right. I can't see Antrim posting a big score so the tactic will have to be to stop Tyrone scoring heavily :-\
Heatwave forecast this weekend, a bevy of Saffron beauties will be out in force.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 18, 2010, 02:06:18 PM
Heatwave forecast this weekend, a bevy of Saffron beauties will be out in force.
Things have obviously changed since my day!! :P
(http://antrim.gaa.ie/images/antrim-cavan.jpg)
Found what was missing.
Wonder why they left it out.
Is it not 4.00pm throw in?
Sunday 23rd May 2010
Ulster Senior Football Championship Quarter Final
Antrim v Tyrone, Throw In 4.00pm at Casement Park, Belfast
Ulster Minor Football Championship Quarter Final
Antrim v Tyrone, Throw In 2.00pm at Casement Park, Belfast
Ticketing:
This is not an all-ticket event. Patrons can pay in at the gate.
Tickets are available through Clubs and County Boards.
Ticket Prices:
Covered Stand €27 / £23
Terrace €15 / £13
OAP Terrace €10 / £9
OAP Open Seating €15 / £13
U16s free into Open seating and Terrace
Prices havent changed much in 2 years then - apart from the exchange rates.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
Gee folks it's hard to get ye to talk about the possible team for this game.
Is that cos it's so up in the air after such a strange NFL
Who will mark Cunningham?
Will Hub play as well on Casement as he did last year v Derry
How's gonna hit our frees or will we play roulette with Mugsy, Sean, Tommy and maybe even Sean O'Neill
Will SoN be double marked or a spare man in front of him.
Will we go on all out attack or will Antrim do what Tohill said last week that the so called lesser teams (Sorry Saffs)
Get 13 men behind the ball so we will see loads of hand passing (If done correctly) around the 40 yard yellow wall?
Actually maybe that's what their tactic will be. Force Tyrone into loads of handpassing so that they eventually get blown up for an illegal one
I hope its not a negative defensive game anyways as I'm sure we'll see enough of them this year.
Any tactic would be an improvement on last year's Ulster final tactic free approach.
drici
Are you talking about there being no reference to the uncovered stand in this year's information?
I know that all season ticket holders will be given a seat in this section and maybe they don't want to encourage too many others to come to that area.
I know it has only been 2 months since St Patrick's Day but would Kevin be up to speed with the pace of inter-county championship football? He actually looked a bit bulkier/carrying timber this year.
Quote from: ONeill on May 18, 2010, 04:46:45 PM
I know it has only been 2 months since St Patrick's Day but would Kevin be up to speed with the pace of inter-county championship football? He actually looked a bit bulkier/carrying timber this year.
That would be my major misgiving O'Neill. No doubting his talent.
Quote from: hardstation on May 18, 2010, 03:56:28 PM
Happy enough about McGourty coming on to the panel. 3 players have left the panel so he had to bring someone in and with Niblock and Herron doubtful, McGourty is the obvious choice. He will add a physical presence and is well able to take a score.
We'll win by 2 and I'll be in Fruithill at 1230ish.
Aontroim abu.
They lost the big lad McKeever to Down Under. Who were the other two?
Squad players - Conor Murray, Deaghlan O'Hagan and Sean Burke.
None would have made the 15 but they'd have been in with a good shout of making it on before 70 minutes.
The Tyrone pessimist:
Tyrone could easily have lost all 7 league games this year. The two they didn't, they should have. Cork outplayed them in Omagh and Kerry were undone there as well by a dodgy last-second goal. Hammered by Dublin. Hammered by Derry. Tyrone have shown 5-10 minutes of good football per game. The doubts raised last year v Cork regarding the mileage on legs seems to be vindicated by the dodgy performances from Gormley and Ricey this season. Tyrone are leaking defensively. Teams are scoring goals against this unsettled full back line. O'Neill, Dooher and the McMahons have either played no football of note or interrupted so far. The brightest performer, Penrose, would be easily handled by Kelly or Brady. McLean would shackle O'Neill. The midfield is anyone's guess. Tyrone are formless and without a settled side. The have developed a losing habit. Cassidy, another plus, is out. B McGuigan ain't fit. Tommy off-form. Davy Harte is off the pace. McGinley big loss. No 45 specialist or secure free taker at all. Confidence is brittle.
The Tyrone optimist:
Tyrone are Ulster Champions, were a kick in the arse off an All-Ireland final last year and many are proven championship specialists. The return of the two Clann men as well as the McMahons strengthens the side better than at any time this year. They played division one football and were only the kick of a ball away from a victory in a few games. They reached the McKenna final with a skeleton team. This is Antrim we're playing. They were hammered by Sligo and have been contesting division three with very mediocre teams. The St Gall's lads are leg weary and the rest are a level below Tyrone. Cunningham is a one trick pony. Harte has a good record in Casement. McGourty's return suggests a weakness in the current set up. The bookies are rarely wrong. Sean Cavanagh.
For all you season ticket holders:
Please bring your GAA Season Tickets with you on Sunday. All Tyrone and Antrim Football Season Ticket Holders will gain access through the Season Stiles, see below:
Please go to Stile 41 if you wish to go to the Terrace or Stile 1 & 2 if you wish to sit in the open seating.
You will not need to print your ticket as mentioned in the previous e-mail, simply ensure to bring your season ticket.
Again, this arrangement is specific to this fixture and we will update you on the situation for your team's next match in advance.
Le meas,
GAA Ticket Office
Quote from: ONeill on May 18, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
The Tyrone pessimist:
Tyrone could easily have lost all 7 league games this year. The two they didn't, they should have. Cork outplayed them in Omagh and Kerry were undone there as well by a dodgy last-second goal. Hammered by Dublin. Hammered by Derry. Tyrone have shown 5-10 minutes of good football per game. The doubts raised last year v Cork regarding the mileage on legs seems to be vindicated by the dodgy performances from Gormley and Ricey this season. Tyrone are leaking defensively. Teams are scoring goals against this unsettled full back line. O'Neill, Dooher and the McMahons have either played no football of note or interrupted so far. The brightest performer, Penrose, would be easily handled by Kelly or Brady. McLean would shackle O'Neill. The midfield is anyone's guess. Tyrone are formless and without a settled side. The have developed a losing habit. Cassidy, another plus, is out. B McGuigan ain't fit. Tommy off-form. Davy Harte is off the pace. McGinley big loss. No 45 specialist or secure free taker at all. Confidence is brittle.
The Tyrone optimist:
Tyrone are Ulster Champions, were a kick in the arse off an All-Ireland final last year and many are proven championship specialists. The return of the two Clann men as well as the McMahons strengthens the side better than at any time this year. They played division one football and were only the kick of a ball away from a victory in a few games. They reached the McKenna final with a skeleton team. This is Antrim we're playing. They were hammered by Sligo and have been contesting division three with very mediocre teams. The St Gall's lads are leg weary and the rest are a level below Tyrone. Cunningham is a one trick pony. Harte has a good record in Casement. McGourty's return suggests a weakness in the current set up. The bookies are rarely wrong. Sean Cavanagh.
I'll have half a glass of whatever you're drinking son.
You disagree with something?
Quote from: ONeill on May 18, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
You disagree with something?
You're over optimistic. And I'll tell you why next Monday.
Quote from: Orior on May 18, 2010, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 18, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
You disagree with something?
You're over optimistic. And I'll tell you why next Monday.
Tell me why now.
1) After beating a transitional Armagh side, Tyrone had an easy route through Ulster
2) The returning players are over the hill and lack hunger
3) All McKenna cup squads were decimated, except for Tyrone
4) Antrim werent worried about a Division 3 trophy
5) St Galls are well rested now
6) Cunninghams trick is a match winning one, so why does he need any others?
7) Harte is due a banana skin in Casement
8) The bookies got Naomi Long wrong
9) Sean Cavanagh's shimmy is a good trick. Has he any others?
Quote from: Orior on May 19, 2010, 12:13:10 AM
1) After beating a transitional Armagh side, Tyrone had an easy route through Ulster
2) The returning players are over the hill and lack hunger
3) All McKenna cup squads were decimated, except for Tyrone
4) Antrim werent worried about a Division 3 trophy
5) St Galls are well rested now
6) Cunninghams trick is a match winning one, so why does he need any others?
7) Harte is due a banana skin in Casement
8) The bookies got Naomi Long wrong
9)Sean Cavanagh's shimmy is a good trick. Has he any others?
Putting Francie Bellew on his hole.
Quote from: Orior on May 19, 2010, 12:13:10 AM
1) After beating a transitional Armagh side, Tyrone had an easy route through Ulster - Whereas now Tyrone are over the hill with no sign of these AMAZING new talents they're always harping on about and WE the mighty Orangemen have a whole new team with a Smart man at the helm
2) The returning players are over the hill and lack hunger Yeah there must be 20 of them over 35
3) All McKenna cup squads were decimated, except for TyroneMickey needed to show some trophy for this year
4) Antrim werent worried about a Division 3 trophySo you think they thought lets throw a decoy performance here - Could be right
5) St Galls are well rested now Wonder how many have USA in mind
6) Cunninghams trick is a match winning one, so why does he need any others? He'll give us plenty of bother if he's 1 on 1 with any defender
7) Harte is due a banana skin in Casement Fantastic argument
8) The bookies got Naomi Long wrong She won it with her looks
9) Sean Cavanagh's shimmy is a good trick. Has he any others?Amazes me how many people know his tricks but still cant disposess him
I think its only natural that ye Orangemen are praying to yer Tango God that as we start a new decade that the Red Hand story is finally over and there wont be any more surprises like 2008.
Hand on heart can you really see an Antrim win.
Of course we don't want to be dismissive and we don't want to build ourselves up for a huge fall but unless we concede some silly goals I really can see only one winner.
I think you will see a man of the match performance from Big Sean unless he's taken out early on.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2010, 10:55:05 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 19, 2010, 12:13:10 AM
1) After beating a transitional Armagh side, Tyrone had an easy route through Ulster - Whereas now Tyrone are over the hill with no sign of these AMAZING new talents they're always harping on about and WE the mighty Orangemen have a whole new team with a Smart man at the helm
2) The returning players are over the hill and lack hunger Yeah there must be 20 of them over 35
3) All McKenna cup squads were decimated, except for TyroneMickey needed to show some trophy for this year
4) Antrim werent worried about a Division 3 trophySo you think they thought lets throw a decoy performance here - Could be right
5) St Galls are well rested now Wonder how many have USA in mind
6) Cunninghams trick is a match winning one, so why does he need any others? He'll give us plenty of bother if he's 1 on 1 with any defender
7) Harte is due a banana skin in Casement Fantastic argument
8) The bookies got Naomi Long wrong She won it with her looks
9) Sean Cavanagh's shimmy is a good trick. Has he any others?Amazes me how many people know his tricks but still cant disposess him
I think its only natural that ye Orangemen are praying to yer Tango God that as we start a new decade that the Red Hand story is finally over and there wont be any more surprises like 2008.
Hand on heart can you really see an Antrim win.
Of course we don't want to be dismissive and we don't want to build ourselves up for a huge fall but unless we concede some silly goals I really can see only one winner.
I think you will see a man of the match performance from Big Sean unless he's taken out early on.
Not Antrim's style Fuzz...we're there to play football ;)
Real danger of Tyrone imploding this year and I reckon people are deluding themselves if they think Cavanagh is a happy camper after Mickey Harte did the judas on him in his self promotion material last year. Tyrone have lost a wealth of talented young players over the past few years (and another this week?) because of Harte's insistence on returning to his old veterans every championship - unfortunately for Tyrone that policy will catch up with them sooner or later.
Quote from: Ulick on May 19, 2010, 11:27:36 AM
Real danger of Tyrone imploding this year and I reckon people are deluding themselves if they think Cavanagh is a happy camper after Mickey Harte did the judas on him in his self promotion material last year. Tyrone have lost a wealth of talented young players over the past few years (and another this week?) because of Harte's insistence on returning to his old veterans every championship - unfortunately for Tyrone that policy will catch up with them sooner or later.
hope its sooner,like this Sunday ;)
Is there any chance that Eyjafjallajokul could play a part here?
There should be plenty of interest here from Scotland and Wales and England. Sam Maguire himself was a Londoner and it might be a bit rude to exclude people from London stuck in the airports with their jersies on.
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship - Quarter Final
AONTROIM V TÍR EOGHAINTime: 4 00 PM,
Venue: Casement Park
Referee: Pat Mc Enaney
Extratime playable
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/
Hopefully Pat refs it with common sense and we're not subjected to the shenanigans from last weekend!
Quote
Not Antrim's style Fuzz...we're there to play football ;)
I think yer right there and maybe that's part of yer downfall. Could do with being a bit more shrewd
Yeah I'd say Big Sean is really out to annoy Harte this year and will go out of his way to play bad to get Mickey Sacked
Mouinho has already said he might leave Inter.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2010, 12:48:21 PM
Quote
Not Antrim's style Fuzz...we're there to play football ;)
I think yer right there and maybe that's part of yer downfall. Could do with being a bit more shrewd
Yeah I'd say Big Sean is really out to annoy Harte this year and will go out of his way to play bad to get Mickey Sacked
Mouinho has already said he might leave Inter.
hilarious, probably the funniest post i have ever read, got nthat was so funny, legend, u are a legend, really can't stop laughing here, funny funny funny
Aontroim v Tír Eoghain
Sunday 23rd May 2010
Ulster Senior Football Championship Quarter Final
Antrim v Tyrone, Throw In 4.00pm at Casement Park, Belfast
Ulster Minor Football Championship Quarter Final
Antrim v Tyrone, Throw In 2.00pm at Casement Park, Belfast
Ticketing:
This is not an all-ticket event. Patrons can pay into the Open Seating and Terrace at the gate.
Tickets are available through Clubs and County Boards.
Ticket Prices:
Covered Stand €27 / £23
Open Seating €25 / £21
Terrace €15 / £13
OAP Terrace €10 / £9
OAP Open Seating €15 / £13
U16s free into Open seating and Terrace
Stick these things on the Board and they're normally fixed up very quickly.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 19, 2010, 12:46:10 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 19, 2010, 12:13:10 AM
1) After beating a transitional Armagh side, Tyrone had an easy route through Ulster
2) The returning players are over the hill and lack hunger
3) All McKenna cup squads were decimated, except for Tyrone
4) Antrim werent worried about a Division 3 trophy
5) St Galls are well rested now
6) Cunninghams trick is a match winning one, so why does he need any others?
7) Harte is due a banana skin in Casement
8) The bookies got Naomi Long wrong
9)Sean Cavanagh's shimmy is a good trick. Has he any others?
Putting Francie Bellew on his hole.
and crying in the changing rooms when big walsh from cavan nipped him
Call me La Voyueur "The Processor" but I had a look over some of yer posts that you've had since creating your extra login.
You do like the Aul Quotes dont ya
What county or club are ye fray or is that a BIG secret?
How do you think wil win Ulster this year and why?
Quote from: the processor on May 19, 2010, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 19, 2010, 12:46:10 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 19, 2010, 12:13:10 AM
1) After beating a transitional Armagh side, Tyrone had an easy route through Ulster
2) The returning players are over the hill and lack hunger
3) All McKenna cup squads were decimated, except for Tyrone
4) Antrim werent worried about a Division 3 trophy
5) St Galls are well rested now
6) Cunninghams trick is a match winning one, so why does he need any others?
7) Harte is due a banana skin in Casement
8) The bookies got Naomi Long wrong
9)Sean Cavanagh's shimmy is a good trick. Has he any others?
Putting Francie Bellew on his hole.
and crying in the changing rooms when big walsh from cavan nipped him
I think you've failed to 'process' the correct use of the quote funtion.
A blast from the past...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8692467.stm
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 19, 2010, 05:07:32 PM
A blast from the past...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8692467.stm
Excellent, the beeb seem to be stepping up their coverage this year!
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 19, 2010, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 19, 2010, 05:07:32 PM
A blast from the past...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8692467.stm
Excellent, the beeb seem to be stepping up their coverage this year!
Mickey Darragh...a Saffron legend!!
I remember the two games in 87 well. The first was one of those games where spectators got heatstroke followed by pneumonia as the weather condition were somewhat volatile!. My memory's fading a bit but I think Antrim team that day contained Lenny Harbinson (St Galls manager) and Brian White (former Antrim boss), great footballers like Donal Armstrong and Stephen Mulvenna and Mickey Darragh roasted Ciaran McGarvey?? in the first half. It was something like 0-7 to 0-1 at half time to Antrim. We actually had a half decent team then but suffered from the old Antrim ills of wayward shooting and not being able to close games out when we were on top. :'(
Great seeing that again. Donaghy's mullet always a delight.
As always, I look forward to guessing what the beard has in store for us as Thursday night draws ever closer. Who will be the surprise selection tomorrow night?. There's always at least one. My prediction will be the surprise selection of no surprises. Packy, Carlin, Justy, McCarron, Davy, Ricey, Jordan, Hub, Colm Cav, Tommy, Sean Cav, Joey, Penfold, O'Neill, Mugsy
I think I'd be happy enough with that team.
Full back line quite inexperienced though Justy has played their what 2 years now?
Half back line has probably went from our strongest line to our weakest and so a lot of questions wouldbe asked of these guys but I think they'll come out good. Could see Joey CHB though
THat MF would be OK though maybe Sean at 9
Not sure about Tommy at 10 as would be worried would he work hard enough and get back to defend but I've been har on him of late
FF line looks great as long as Penfold has his decision making head on and doesn't do his headless chicken impression he does the odd time.
I cant wait for the team and have a feeling we'll see one of coney or p harte.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2010, 10:10:31 PM
I think I'd be happy enough with that team.
Full back line quite inexperienced though Justy has played their what 2 years now?
Half back line has probably went from our strongest line to our weakest and so a lot of questions wouldbe asked of these guys but I think they'll come out good. Could see Joey CHB though
THat MF would be OK though maybe Sean at 9
Not sure about Tommy at 10 as would be worried would he work hard enough and get back to defend but I've been har on him of late
FF line looks great as long as Penfold has his decision making head on and doesn't do his headless chicken impression he does the odd time.
I cant wait for the team and have a feeling we'll see one of coney or p harte.
Watching Tommy play for the club would suggest he would be more effective out the field. He is well capable of covering back and defending as he is such a natural footballer he can look comfortable in most positions. Mickey seems to prefer to use him as a ball winning player in the full forward line and he is more than qualified to make the calls but it would be great to see if Tommy could cut loose out the field and fulfill his potential on the county scene.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on May 19, 2010, 09:41:15 PM
As always, I look forward to guessing what the beard has in store for us as Thursday night draws ever closer. Who will be the surprise selection tomorrow night?. There's always at least one. My prediction will be the surprise selection of no surprises. Packy, Carlin, Justy, McCarron, Davy, Ricey, Jordan, Hub, Colm Cav, Tommy, Sean Cav, Joey, Penfold, O'Neill, Mugsy
I'd be very happy with that. McCarron should be able to handle Cunningham, Carlin on McCann. If Kevin McG starts as a wing forward it'll be interesting to see who picks him up. Can't see Sean Kelly being given the Sean Cavanagh job. Who's the best spoiler on the Antrim side?
Is he any good at nipping and spitting?
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2010, 10:29:22 PM
Is he any good at nipping and spitting?
I'm good at that I started at an early age. In fact I think it was 2 of 3 of my first confessions.
Team is being named tonight as the Garvaghey Development Committee show off the work done to date on the vast site at the annual Club Tyrone Members' Night. Always a good night and builds up the excitement for the start of the intercounty season for us.
Pity I'm in the Netherlands for it.
SHould be great day for Antrim football - just not sure if they have enough to beat Tyrone - National League performances mean nothing - relegation or promotion, and it will be inteesting to see if MH is able to live to his mantra, 'if it ain't broke, break it..'
fancy Tyrone by 4 points
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 20, 2010, 08:25:01 AM
SHould be great day for Antrim football - just not sure if they have enough to beat Tyrone - National League performances mean nothing - relegation or promotion, and it will be inteesting to see if MH is able to live to his mantra, 'if it ain't broke, break it..'
fancy Tyrone by 4 points
I was a good indicator for the Derry Armagh game.
and Mayo too?
Quote from: Zapatista on May 20, 2010, 08:26:37 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 20, 2010, 08:25:01 AM
SHould be great day for Antrim football - just not sure if they have enough to beat Tyrone - National League performances mean nothing - relegation or promotion, and it will be inteesting to see if MH is able to live to his mantra, 'if it ain't broke, break it..'
fancy Tyrone by 4 points
I was a good indicator for the Derry Armagh game.
and Mayo?
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Hard country boys at the back and pretty city boys up front. WOuldn't mind being in midfield there!!
Justin Crozier aims to add Ulster title to collection
By John Campbell Belfast Tele
Three honours obtained during a four-year period to date in Antrim's colours have gone nowhere near satisfying Justin Crozier's craving for what he describes as "real success."
The athletic 22-year-old centre-half-back shared in the Tommy Murphy Cup triumph two years ago and has also collected National League divisional medals in each of the past two seasons but Crozier's sights are firmly fixed on much bigger targets.
When he lines out against Tyrone at Casement Park on Sunday in the Ulster Championship the final year Queen's University student is hoping to take the first step towards possible provincial glory. And that, he feels, will help provide the Saffrons with rather more credibility.
Crozier's single-minded approach is typical of the current Antrim squad who share the belief that while promotion to Division Two is very welcome they will only gain national recognition if they prove themselves a force in the Championship.
"That's the way we see it," confirms Crozier. "We have a big opportunity this Sunday to show that we can step up on our league form.
"Indeed, it's essential we do this if we are to beat a Tyrone side that generally always relish the Championship irrespective of how they have performed in the league."
Antrim may have blotted their copybook in the closing stages of their Division Three campaign but Crozier believes the team's defeats against Offaly, Wexford and Sligo are inconsequential in terms of Sunday's game.
"We are optimistic and we have quality players who are not afraid to take responsibility on the field," insists Crozier (pictured, above).
While speculation continues as to the possible crucial one-on-one battles that might ensue during the game, Crozier takes a rather different line.
"Look, no matter what player you are marking in a Tyrone jersey you can be sure that he will be of high calibre. This is the kind of challenge you have to be able to rise to but at the same time it's the challenge you want as a player.
"Hopefully on the day I will be able to raise my game to cope with whoever I am opposing," says Crozier who could find himself pitted against either Sean Cavanagh or Brian McGuigan when Mickey Harte unveils his team at a Club Tyrone function tonight.
And Cargin clubman Crozier knows precisely the source of Antrim's biggest incentive to peak on Sunday.
"Let's be honest, Tyrone blitzed us at the start of last year's Ulster final and we stood off and watched them.
"The game was as good as over after about 25 minutes or half-an-hour and we certainly don't want that to happen again.
"We have a chance now to make amends for that performance and we aim to try and take it with both hands," he points out.
Is the forecast now changed to be cloudy but warn like 23/24C
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Haven't read full thread, is McClean injured?
Quote from: Wee Shea on May 20, 2010, 09:52:11 AM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Haven't read full thread, is McClean injured?
according to paper has a viral infection
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on May 19, 2010, 09:41:15 PM
As always, I look forward to guessing what the beard has in store for us as Thursday night draws ever closer. Who will be the surprise selection tomorrow night?. There's always at least one. My prediction will be the surprise selection of no surprises. Packy, Carlin, Justy, McCarron, Davy, Ricey, Jordan, Hub, Colm Cav, Tommy, Sean Cav, Joey, Penfold, O'Neill, Mugsy
I think we will see Devine in goals. Would not be surprised to see Dooher or Harte in half forward line.
Quote from: glens abu on May 20, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: Wee Shea on May 20, 2010, 09:52:11 AM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Haven't read full thread, is McClean injured?
according to paper has a viral infection
Cheers. What is your fella Douglas like? Think I have seen glimpses of him just from last year coming on as a sub in some matches?
Is this game an all ticket affair?
Quote from: Olly on May 20, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
Hard country boys at the back and pretty city boys up front. WOuldn't mind being in midfield there!!
Wouldn't you know which way to turn? ;)
Quote from: David McKeown on May 20, 2010, 10:30:49 AM
Is this game an all ticket affair?
No you can pay at the gate
Championship focus on Antrim - Tyrone below. Encouraging to see a bit more focus on GAA from BBC but still think there's room for a half an hour show each week previewing and reviewing the relevant championship games.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8690709.stm
Quote from: Wee Shea on May 20, 2010, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: glens abu on May 20, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: Wee Shea on May 20, 2010, 09:52:11 AM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Haven't read full thread, is McClean injured?
according to paper has a viral infection
Cheers. What is your fella Douglas like? Think I have seen glimpses of him just from last year coming on as a sub in some matches?
same here,don't know a lot about him either
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
They'll definitely be a Kevin at CHF then on Sunday... ;) What's the odds that there will be a mysterious setback for this Kevin before the throw in? :o This Kevin won't be match fit and won't finish the match (maybe not even the first half?). A gamble.
Finucane has a better kickout than McGreevy, but I know who I would prefer in goal when the inevitable 2/3 goal chances for Tyrone come up. A gamble.
Douglas is a fine player but I am not convinced he is a county centre fullback - at least not on a towering target man which is the current vogue. A gamble.
Terry O'Neill ??? Could do serious damage...to Antrim. He had stinkers in his last two competitive runouts. Will he contribute more than the half-back he is supposed to nullify? A gamble.
All Baker needs to do is bring on Kevin Brady (has he thing about Kevins?) and Groundhog Day will be complete. Where is the progression? Antrim have serious strength and depth issues and this will be exposed, if not on Sunday then very soon after.
It's a wonder Baker didn't coax Mickey Darragh out of retirement? Or was that a gamble too far even for him?
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2010, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 20, 2010, 10:30:49 AM
Is this game an all ticket affair?
No you can pay at the gate
Championship focus on Antrim - Tyrone below. Encouraging to see a bit more focus on GAA from BBC but still think there's room for a half an hour show each week previewing and reviewing the relevant championship games.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8690709.stm
Great I might call down and watch the game then
I love this google street view thingys.
For any of ye not knowing were the fruithill club is.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B)
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Antrim are effectively accomadating 4 wing half backs - Scullion, Kelly, Loughrey and O'Neill. They did the same in the league final with Sligo and their team really lacked balance that day. This is an area where Tyrone could exploit Antrim on Sunday with the Tyrone wing backs pushing up on Loughrey and O'Neilll. The large pitch at casement will suit this as well. Loughrey is a fantastic wing back in my opinion and its hard to understand why he is not playing there.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
I love this google street view thingys.
For any of ye not knowing were the fruithill club is.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B)
There's Hardstation's ma outside Wine Flair getting the supper in.
Maybe this team selection points towards a previously mentioned extremely defensive approach. Baker seems to really like Terry O'Neill. He's an intelligent player no doubt but I think he is too slow to play against Tyrone as was shown in the final last year. Harte will definitely look to exploit this weakness. Would maybe be better to have Tomás McCann in wing forward and CJ inside, apart from that solid team. One other thing, who would mark Cavanagh if he plays full forward? I presume that O'Boyle will mark Penrose and Brady will mark SON, so that leaves Douglas on Cavanagh. Surely fb is too far for Crozier/Loughrey to drop back. What's the story on Magill?
I would presume that Loughrey is named at 12 because Baker thinks he can expose Davy Harte who's struggled all year.
Quote from: loughshore lad on May 20, 2010, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Antrim are effectively accomadating 4 wing half backs - Scullion, Kelly, Loughrey and O'Neill. They did the same in the league final with Sligo and their team really lacked balance that day. This is an area where Tyrone could exploit Antrim on Sunday with the Tyrone wing backs pushing up on Loughrey and O'Neilll. The large pitch at casement will suit this as well. Loughrey is a fantastic wing back in my opinion and its hard to understand why he is not playing there.
Because the game hasn't started yet.
Kelly to chb, Loughrey to lhb and Crozier to lhf. Butterknife told me.
I'll let you know more once Boxer decides who is marking Bung.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on May 20, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
I would presume that Loughrey is named at 12 because Baker thinks he can expose Davy Harte who's struggled all year.
Primarily Loughrey is at 12 to accommodate Sean Kelly in the HB line but yes, Harte and Jordan were exposed to pace against both Cork and Kildare last year and if both play Baker will see this as a chink in Tyrone's armour.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 20, 2010, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on May 20, 2010, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Antrim are effectively accomadating 4 wing half backs - Scullion, Kelly, Loughrey and O'Neill. They did the same in the league final with Sligo and their team really lacked balance that day. This is an area where Tyrone could exploit Antrim on Sunday with the Tyrone wing backs pushing up on Loughrey and O'Neilll. The large pitch at casement will suit this as well. Loughrey is a fantastic wing back in my opinion and its hard to understand why he is not playing there.
Because the game hasn't started yet.
Kelly to chb, Loughrey to lhb and Crozier to lhf. Butterknife told me.
I'll let you know more once Boxer decides who is marking Bung.
SS2 what's the story on Magill....??
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:16:43 PM
SS2 what's the story on Magill....??
Genuinely haven't heard, although I believe he came through the hurling match last night unscathed.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 20, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:16:43 PM
SS2 what's the story on Magill....??
Genuinely haven't heard, although I believe he came through the hurling match last night unscathed.
;D
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on May 20, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
I would presume that Loughrey is named at 12 because Baker thinks he can expose Davy Harte who's struggled all year.
Primarily Loughrey is at 12 to accommodate Sean Kelly in the HB line but yes, Harte and Jordan were exposed to pace against both Cork and Kildare last year and if both play Baker will see this as a chink in Tyrone's armour.
Could be the case with Davey, but Jordans problem last year was more to do with him carrying the injury and trying to play on with it through the summer which seriously limited him. He is no slouch and hopefully he will be near full tilt this Sunday. Dooher might be back to help Davey out anyway, but I am sure if Harte starts he will be a different player than he showed in the league.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 20, 2010, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on May 20, 2010, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
According to the Antrim Co Website this is the Antrim team:
1 John Finucane (Lamh Dhearg)
2 Colin Brady (St Gall's) [Capt]
3 Aaron Douglas (St John's)
4 Kevin O' Boyle (Cargin)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 Sean Kelly (St Gall's)
8 Aodhan Gallagher (St Gall's)
9 Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg)
10 Terry O' Neill (St Gall's)
11 Kevin Niblock (St Gall's)
12 James Loughrey (St Brigid's)
13 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
14 Michael Mc Cann (Cargin)
15 Tomás Mc Cann (Cargin)
Thoughts??
Antrim are effectively accomadating 4 wing half backs - Scullion, Kelly, Loughrey and O'Neill. They did the same in the league final with Sligo and their team really lacked balance that day. This is an area where Tyrone could exploit Antrim on Sunday with the Tyrone wing backs pushing up on Loughrey and O'Neilll. The large pitch at casement will suit this as well. Loughrey is a fantastic wing back in my opinion and its hard to understand why he is not playing there.
Because the game hasn't started yet.
Kelly to chb, Loughrey to lhb and Crozier to lhf. Butterknife told me.
I'll let you know more once Boxer decides who is marking Bung.
SS2 what's the story on Magill....??
Gassed
What is the reason for his gassing?
Are Tyrone going to start the brother Cavanagh?
Who knows what Mickey will do but I would be very surprised if CC doesn't play somewhere if not MF then HF
I bet you Tommy will miss out for Coney or Harte
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on May 20, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
I would presume that Loughrey is named at 12 because Baker thinks he can expose Davy Harte who's struggled all year.
Primarily Loughrey is at 12 to accommodate Sean Kelly in the HB line but yes, Harte and Jordan were exposed to pace against both Cork and Kildare last year and if both play Baker will see this as a chink in Tyrone's armour.
Is Baker a racist?
Quote from: Saffrons on May 20, 2010, 01:00:35 PM
Maybe this team selection points towards a previously mentioned extremely defensive approach. Baker seems to really like Terry O'Neill. He's an intelligent player no doubt but I think he is too slow to play against Tyrone as was shown in the final last year. Harte will definitely look to exploit this weakness. Would maybe be better to have Tomás McCann in wing forward and CJ inside, apart from that solid team. One other thing, who would mark Cavanagh if he plays full forward? I presume that O'Boyle will mark Penrose and Brady will mark SON, so that leaves Douglas on Cavanagh. Surely fb is too far for Crozier/Loughrey to drop back. What's the story on Magill?
Yes, +1 on Magill. C'mon, somebody must have the lowdown!
Is there something up with CJ too? Paul McConville in today's Irish News says "...although Bradley is without corner-forward CJ McGourty, while brother Kevin...has not managed to win a place in the starting 15..."
One is referred to as "being without" while the other merely "doesn't start" ???
would be bad craic on the county if they are supporting a player who turns out for his club when fixtures are in place for games.
Tir na og is a small club with players mainly dual players.
Baker might have lost the plot on this
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2010, 02:50:23 PM
would be bad craic on the county if they are supporting a player who turns out for his club when fixtures are in place for games.
Tir na og is a small club with players mainly dual players.
Baker might have lost the plot on this
thats not the reason Milltown
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 20, 2010, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 20, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:16:43 PM
SS2 what's the story on Magill....??
Genuinely haven't heard, although I believe he came through the hurling match last night unscathed.
;D
;D indeed. But was this cause or effect?
Effect, I believe. Although you know more than I do.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 20, 2010, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Saffrons on May 20, 2010, 01:00:35 PM
Maybe this team selection points towards a previously mentioned extremely defensive approach. Baker seems to really like Terry O'Neill. He's an intelligent player no doubt but I think he is too slow to play against Tyrone as was shown in the final last year. Harte will definitely look to exploit this weakness. Would maybe be better to have Tomás McCann in wing forward and CJ inside, apart from that solid team. One other thing, who would mark Cavanagh if he plays full forward? I presume that O'Boyle will mark Penrose and Brady will mark SON, so that leaves Douglas on Cavanagh. Surely fb is too far for Crozier/Loughrey to drop back. What's the story on Magill?
Yes, +1 on Magill. C'mon, somebody must have the lowdown!
Is there something up with CJ too? Paul McConville in today's Irish News says "...although Bradley is without corner-forward CJ McGourty, while brother Kevin...has not managed to win a place in the starting 15..."
One is referred to as "being without" while the other merely "doesn't start" ???
Baker was quoted during the week as saying that three squad members were down with flu. Andy McClean appears to be one maybe CJ is one of the others??
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 20, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 20, 2010, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 20, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 01:16:43 PM
SS2 what's the story on Magill....??
Genuinely haven't heard, although I believe he came through the hurling match last night unscathed.
;D
;D indeed. But was this cause or effect?
Effect, I believe. Although you know more than I do.
Not at all SS2. I was just nodding that I thought your non sequitur was amusing too. Good one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8693912.stm
Michael Magill will not be involved in Antrim's Ulster SFC clash against Tyrone on Sunday after being dropped from the Saffron panel. BBC
Sport has learned that Magill exited from the panel earlier this week after a disciplinary breach. "Unfortunately for Antrim, Michael was in breach of the code of conduct last weekend," said manager Liam Bradley. Kevin Niblock, Aodhan Gallagher and Aaron Douglas will all start for the Saffrons on Sunday. They replace CJ McGourty, Magill and Andy McClean in the starting line-up. Magill may not have been available even if he had not blotted his copybook as he has been bothered by hamstring and quad muscle injuries in recent weeks. Fit-again Niblock takes over from his St Gall's club-mate McGourty in the Saffrons attack. Brendan Herron has recovered from injury and will start at midfield alongside Gallagher. Andy McClean missed two weeks of training in the early part of this month and while he has been present at this week's sessions, Douglas will start at full-back. Kevin McGourty has not been named in the starting line-up or the subs after rejoining the Antrim panel in recent days but there is speculation that he could yet be added to the bench alongside his brother CJ. John Finucane holds on to the goalkeeping jersey ahead of Sean McGreevy. Asked about Magill's exclusion from the squad, Bradley added:"The Antrim panel has a code of conduct. "There has been no disagreement as such. "I'm not going to speak about individuals. "I've got more than enough on my plate this week without getting involved in that kind of thing." However, Bradley was happy to speak about other selection issues. "Andy McClean missed two weeks of training with a viral infection and while he did return to training on Monday night, we have decided to go with Aaron Douglas. "We've got two very good goalkeepers and it was a very difficult call. "Sean McGreevy has been a great servant of Antrim football and I was telling him yesterday that you never know what might happen. "He was picked for the Donegal game last year but got injured in it and John Finucane came in for the rest of the championship."
Subs: S McGreevy, A McClean, A Healy, D McCann, S Finch, D Gault, K Brady, C Fleming, CJ McGourty, G O'Boyle, P Doherty.
===========================
Interesting last sentence. Either the quote is made up or Baker has forgotten that Peter Graham was the keeper last year
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 20, 2010, 05:06:35 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8693912.stm
Michael Magill will not be involved in Antrim's Ulster SFC clash against Tyrone on Sunday after being dropped from the Saffron panel. BBC
Sport has learned that Magill exited from the panel earlier this week after a disciplinary breach. "Unfortunately for Antrim, Michael was in breach of the code of conduct last weekend," said manager Liam Bradley. Kevin Niblock, Aodhan Gallagher and Aaron Douglas will all start for the Saffrons on Sunday. They replace CJ McGourty, Magill and Andy McClean in the starting line-up. Magill may not have been available even if he had not blotted his copybook as he has been bothered by hamstring and quad muscle injuries in recent weeks. Fit-again Niblock takes over from his St Gall's club-mate McGourty in the Saffrons attack. Brendan Herron has recovered from injury and will start at midfield alongside Gallagher. Andy McClean missed two weeks of training in the early part of this month and while he has been present at this week's sessions, Douglas will start at full-back. Kevin McGourty has not been named in the starting line-up or the subs after rejoining the Antrim panel in recent days but there is speculation that he could yet be added to the bench alongside his brother CJ. John Finucane holds on to the goalkeeping jersey ahead of Sean McGreevy. Asked about Magill's exclusion from the squad, Bradley added:"The Antrim panel has a code of conduct. "There has been no disagreement as such. "I'm not going to speak about individuals. "I've got more than enough on my plate this week without getting involved in that kind of thing." However, Bradley was happy to speak about other selection issues. "Andy McClean missed two weeks of training with a viral infection and while he did return to training on Monday night, we have decided to go with Aaron Douglas. "We've got two very good goalkeepers and it was a very difficult call. "Sean McGreevy has been a great servant of Antrim football and I was telling him yesterday that you never know what might happen. "He was picked for the Donegal game last year but got injured in it and John Finucane came in for the rest of the championship."
Subs: S McGreevy, A McClean, A Healy, D McCann, S Finch, D Gault, K Brady, C Fleming, CJ McGourty, G O'Boyle, P Doherty.
===========================
Interesting last sentence. Either the quote is made up or Baker has forgotten that Peter Graham was the keeper last year
Atticus...is that you??
Guys whats the thoughts on Antrims chances in this one? I put £50 on Antrim to win ulster at 33/1 a few weeks ago!
Fromafar
Have you any more fifties to spare?
What time will we get Tyrone team at?
anytime soon fuzz
Quote from: FromAFar on May 20, 2010, 05:45:24 PM
Guys whats the thoughts on Antrims chances in this one? I put £50 on Antrim to win ulster at 33/1 a few weeks ago!
Antrim might win this one, the other crowd are aging, have too many miles on the clock and are overconfident.
Quote from: stew on May 20, 2010, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: FromAFar on May 20, 2010, 05:45:24 PM
Guys whats the thoughts on Antrims chances in this one? I put £50 on Antrim to win ulster at 33/1 a few weeks ago!
Antrim might win this one, the other crowd are aging, have too many miles on the clock and are overconfident.
A handy 50 for the bookie ;)
1 A Skelton | 2 J Mallon | 3 K McGarvey | 4 J Lynch | 5 K McCabe | 6 N McGinn | 7 P Ball | 8 P Donaghy | 9 H McClure | 10 M McClure | 11 E McKenna (Cap.) | 12 S McNally | 13 M Mallon | 14 D O'Hagan | 15 P Quinn Subs:S Conway, S Rice, A O'Hagan,
Just waiting....
1 F McConnell | 2 P Devlin | 3 C Lawn | 4 F Devlin | 5 R McGarrity | 6 S McCallen | 7 S McLaughlin | 8 F Logan | 9 J Gormley | 10 C Corr (cap.) | 11 Pascal Canavan | 12 C Loughran | 13 C McBride | 14 Peter Canavan | 15 S Lawn
Subs: B Gormley, P Donnelly, M McGleenan, A Cush, D Gormley
Waiting....
Missing your free dinner again O'Neill? They'll only be eating now sure, Mickey won't be there to read out the team yet and no one knows what it'll be till he arrives ;)
Every bloody time, she's working. Every time. Next time, any chance of a consultation before the date?
Magill axed from Antrim squad
Antrim's preparations for Sunday's Ulster SFC quarter-final against Tyrone have been hit by the news that Michael Magill has been dropped from the panel.
It's believed the Randalstown dual player has been axed for a breach of discipline.
"Unfortunately for Antrim, Michael was in breach of the code of conduct last weekend," Antrim manager Liam Bradley.
When asked to elaborate, Bradley added: "The Antrim panel has a code of conduct. There has been no disagreement as such.
"I'm not going to speak about individuals. I've got more than enough on my plate this week without getting involved in that kind of thing."
Kevin Niblock, Aodhan Gallagher and Aaron Douglas will all start for the Saffrons on Sunday, replacing CJ McGourty, Magill and Andy McClean, who started last month's NFL Division 3 final loss to Sligo at Croke Park.
You'll have to go straight to the top on it - it's the Thursday before Tyrone's first championship match!
Night at the Dogs in October though...(not free)
T. Turbett,
B. McSorley, J. Devlin, P. Donaghy,
S. Donnelly, P. Corey, J. J. O'Hagan,
J. O'Neill, P. Devlin,
I. Jones, J. Taggart, E. Devlin,
D. Donnelly, F. Higgins, F. Donnelly
Not confirmed.
So I take it Magill was on the soup? I remember hearing about his questionable "refuelling habits" when he was with the hurlers.
Tyrone: P McConnell, M Swift, Justin McMahon, D Carlin, D Harte, R McMenaminn, P Jordan,, K Hughes, C Cavanagh, B Dooher, S Cavanagh, Joe McMahon, M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan.
So Swift gets the nod. Strong front 6. Interesting to see Dooher's shape.
is dooher not a gamble starting
Dooher's been playing the full game for the Clanns.
a bit of a step up but
No new faces - Coney, Harte, McCarron etc -
Quote from: gerry on May 20, 2010, 09:02:34 PM
is dooher not a gamble starting
By all accounts, Dooher is absolutely flying in training. Whether he can still take the abuse he gets in games or not is a different matter.
Is there any chance he'll keep Kelly on Cavanagh in the hope that if Kelly does get the better of him, it's a massive scalp? Terry O'Neill and Dooher to arse each other.
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
No new faces - Coney, Harte, McCarron etc -
Thought at least one would get the nod.
A tenner 1st sub is Harte for Dooher.
Is that team confirmed or are we just all taking a Down man's word for it?
I had a feeling both Dooher and O'Neill would start but surprised to see swift and thus i'm asking is team official.
I thought Tommy would miss out
Tommy couldn't have been far away. But I'm sure Mickey picked those who were showing up well over the last fortnight. Dooher's last game was an occasion (v Cork) when you thought he'd played one game too many. Amazed he's starting.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2010, 09:15:47 PM
Is that team confirmed or are we just all taking a Down man's word for it?
I had a feeling both Dooher and O'Neill would start but surprised to see swift and thus i'm asking is team official.
I thought Tommy would miss out
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8696034.stm
Really surprised Kyle Cooney is not starting...Looks like M.H is looking to experience....
Well, I suppose take out Dooher and how many of them are 30 or over. Just Ricey?
Tyrone by 12
I think personally think Harte was keen to have Dooher back for another year as he knows he drives others on.
As Joey said in his interview this week that the hunger Dooher shows helps others to kick on and he raises the bar
I'd say Brian loves to prove people wrong and he's probably well aware he wont be able to cover ever blade of grass like he used to but still he leads from the front.
I'm happy with that team especially the forward line and think we could see a good solid performance from these aul fellas.
Harte's faith in some of the older players is worrying. He's picked a number of players that have shown no form and a number that have had next to no game time. David Harte, Ricey, Swift and Dooher can consider themselves fortunate to get starts. I hope I'm proven wrong but the decision not to use the younger players will hurt the team in the long run regardless of the result.
Cathal McCarron deserved a start. Forward line looks strong but I don't think I'm the only one with concerns about Dooher starting. We could be badly shown up for pace.
Hughes and Jordan can't be too far off the 30 mark if they're not already.
Quote from: hardstation on May 20, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2010, 09:13:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
No new faces - Coney, Harte, McCarron etc -
Thought at least one would get the nod.
A tenner 1st sub is Harte for Dooher.
Tommy McGuigan?
I'd imagine it would be between the two although based on league performances i'd go for Harte.
Quote from: barelegs on May 20, 2010, 09:27:57 PM
Harte's faith in some of the older players is worrying. He's picked a number of players that have shown no form and a number that have had next to no game time. David Harte, Ricey, Swift and Dooher can consider themselves fortunate to get starts. I hope I'm proven wrong but the decision not to use the younger players will hurt the team in the long run regardless of the result.
Sean O'Neill must be wondering what he has to do to get a start. Cathal McCarron deserved a start. Forward line looks strong but I don't think I'm the only one with concerns about Dooher starting. We could be badly shown up for pace.
lads your worrying far too much, there are at least 30 other counties that would love to have your players.
Antrim will improve on last years Final and would not be surprised if Mickeys team named is not the way it will line out
Quote from: barelegs on May 20, 2010, 09:27:57 PM
We could be badly shown up for pace.
For me that's the biggie. Antrim are young, confident and fit as feck. Tyrone are simply one year older. Take out Penrose - any pace from 4-15?
Tyrone have undoubtedly more talent. There is no one in the Antrim squad with the natural talent of Cavanagh and O'Neill.
Quote from: FromAFar on May 20, 2010, 05:45:24 PM
Guys whats the thoughts on Antrims chances in this one? I put £50 on Antrim to win ulster at 33/1 a few weeks ago!
I have £10 on Antrim to win Ulster at 50/1 from February. Thought they were over priced.
Quote from: tyrone86 on May 20, 2010, 09:09:53 PM
Quote from: gerry on May 20, 2010, 09:02:34 PM
is dooher not a gamble starting
By all accounts, Dooher is absolutely flying in training. Whether he can still take the abuse he gets in games or not is a different matter.
How often in the past have you heard that about someone and when the day comes they flop!!
It's like the manager getting the dreaded vote of confidence!
I have a feeling Tyrone will win at a canter. Thought Antrim looked tired against Sligo in the league final after flying in the earlier league games. You'd worry did they peak early and if they can lift it again for this game. Tyrone on the other hand have lots of room to improve.
J Finucane, C Brady, A Douglas, K O'Boyle, T Scullion, J Crozier, S Kelly, A Gallagher, B Herron, T O'Neill, K Niblock, J Loughrey, P Cunningham, M McCann, T McCann.
P McConnell, M Swift, Justin McMahon, D Carlin, D Harte, R McMenamin, P Jordan, K Hughes, C Cavanagh, B Dooher, S Cavanagh, Joe McMahon, M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan.
Are the two weakest lines (on form) here the Tyrone half backs and the Antrim half forwards?
The opposite - Tyrone HF and Antrim HB may well be the strongest/most influential. Will O'Neill (t) be thrown in as sweeper ahead of Cavanagh?
Can Douglas handle O'Neill or will Brady be given the nod after he handled him well in Clones?
I think you might see Dooher has moved up to a 600cc these days
Bet you he gets the first point from 40 yards
Swift is the main surprise for me, Id thought that if MH opted for Ricey at CB then McCarron was most likely to get the call in the corner. I wouldnt be so concerned about younger guys not getting a start as its early days yet for the senior careers of the 2008 minor team. Think the likes of Coney and Harte will still feature at some stage on Sunday.
The team looks pretty strong on paper but certainly there are a few experienced players on that team who havent been at their best this year and will need to take it up a level or two this weekend. None of us really know what the mood is within the camp so looking forward to Sunday when we will get a better idea of how the team is looking and is there potential for a long summer. Or a short one :-\
Tyrone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zQviqRqZdQ)
v
Antrim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ICEBZQyvKQ)
Peter the great joins the BBC team. A wee snippet of his career below;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8695254.stm
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2010, 10:18:35 PM
Peter the great joins the BBC team. A wee snippet of his career below;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8695254.stm
See at 1:30 there - would Mulligan's lay-off be allowed now?
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2010, 10:24:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2010, 10:18:35 PM
Peter the great joins the BBC team. A wee snippet of his career below;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8695254.stm
See at 1:30 there - would Mulligan's lay-off be allowed now?
Was there a clear striking motion? Doesn't look like it!
Send Sam 05 back to the kingdom, might ease some of their pain ;)
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2010, 10:24:10 PM
See at 1:30 there - would Mulligan's lay-off be allowed now?
I hope to jeez that Mc Enaney uses a bit of cop-on on Sunday, and not be swayed by the goons in HQ to turn this into another disjointed and fractious affair.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 20, 2010, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2010, 10:24:10 PM
See at 1:30 there - would Mulligan's lay-off be allowed now?
I hope to jeez that Mc Enaney uses a bit of cop-on on Sunday, and not be swayed by the goons in HQ to turn this into another disjointed and fractious affair.
He'd be the man you'd expect to use common sense but then again look what happened in Celtic Park earlier in the year, the croonies in HQ must be putting the pressure on Pat.
Quote from: hardstation on May 20, 2010, 10:32:44 PM
He's more than capable of making a balls of it, all by himself. The most over-rated ref about.
Without a doubt.
Quote from: hardstation on May 20, 2010, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on May 20, 2010, 10:39:26 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 20, 2010, 10:32:44 PM
He's more than capable of making a balls of it, all by himself. The most over-rated ref about.
Without a doubt.
Just to clarify, what do you mean by 'doubt'?
The proper 'doubt' this time, not the Tyrone version
Quote from: tyrone86 on May 20, 2010, 11:18:28 PM
The proper 'doubt' this time, not the Tyrone version
I doubt
that he will make a bollix of it = I doubt
if he'll have a good game
Subtle Tyrone distinction ;)
Well there'll be no fcukin doubt about it on Sunday.
Quote from: hardstation on May 20, 2010, 11:29:32 PM
WTF?
Very subtle. Agreed, further complicated by the particular emphasis and inflexion of the speaker.
http://vimeo.com/11909146
I got pulled on that whole 'doubt' issue not that long ago...ziggy got very flustered altogether.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2010, 11:36:16 PM
I got pulled on that whole 'doubt' issue not that long ago...ziggy got very flustered altogether.
I doubt you deserved it! ;)
What's Mickey's record in Casement?
Can only remember victories in Championship (Derry x 2, Antrim) and McKenna (Armagh stands out). No losses?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 20, 2010, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2010, 11:36:16 PM
I got pulled on that whole 'doubt' issue not that long ago...ziggy got very flustered altogether.
I doubt you deserved it! ;)
I doubt i did :P
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/tyrone-gaa-tv/// - Dooher is flying in training, according to Mickey H. Tyrone's new website is up-to-date with a video interview from the team announcement.
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Right. I received a pm from someone wondering if the Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling club was a myth. It is not. Not a boozer I would be in but I will be on Sunday at half 12ish. It is on the main Andytown road, about 50 yards (guess) from the Whitefort, towards ASDA.
Said person obviously didn't read Fuzzman's post from yesterday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
I love this google street view thingys.
For any of ye not knowing were the fruithill club is.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B)
Plenty of room to park your tractors lads!
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Right. I received a pm from someone wondering if the Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling club was a myth. It is not. Not a boozer I would be in but I will be on Sunday at half 12ish. It is on the main Andytown road, about 50 yards (guess) from the Whitefort, towards ASDA.
Wearing a saffron rosette?
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 21, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Right. I received a pm from someone wondering if the Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling club was a myth. It is not. Not a boozer I would be in but I will be on Sunday at half 12ish. It is on the main Andytown road, about 50 yards (guess) from the Whitefort, towards ASDA.
Said person obviously didn't read Fuzzman's post from yesterday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
I love this google street view thingys.
For any of ye not knowing were the fruithill club is.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B)
Plenty of room to park your tractors lads!
Bring a few Antrim air fresheners lads, there can be a bit of a stink from the dung on the wellies in this humid weather... ;)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 21, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Right. I received a pm from someone wondering if the Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling club was a myth. It is not. Not a boozer I would be in but I will be on Sunday at half 12ish. It is on the main Andytown road, about 50 yards (guess) from the Whitefort, towards ASDA.
Said person obviously didn't read Fuzzman's post from yesterday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
I love this google street view thingys.
For any of ye not knowing were the fruithill club is.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B)
Plenty of room to park your tractors lads!
Hope so. I was thinking there might be no room for my 135 with all the spaces taken up with black taxis and stolen cars!
Quote from: EC Unique on May 21, 2010, 09:44:09 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 21, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Right. I received a pm from someone wondering if the Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling club was a myth. It is not. Not a boozer I would be in but I will be on Sunday at half 12ish. It is on the main Andytown road, about 50 yards (guess) from the Whitefort, towards ASDA.
Said person obviously didn't read Fuzzman's post from yesterday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
I love this google street view thingys.
For any of ye not knowing were the fruithill club is.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B)
Plenty of room to park your tractors lads!
Hope so. I was thinking there might be no room for my 135 with all the spaces taken up with black taxis and stolen cars!
Could somebody tell me where to get TVO in West Bilfaaast?
Quote from: EC Unique on May 21, 2010, 09:44:09 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 21, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Right. I received a pm from someone wondering if the Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling club was a myth. It is not. Not a boozer I would be in but I will be on Sunday at half 12ish. It is on the main Andytown road, about 50 yards (guess) from the Whitefort, towards ASDA.
Said person obviously didn't read Fuzzman's post from yesterday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
I love this google street view thingys.
For any of ye not knowing were the fruithill club is.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B)
Plenty of room to park your tractors lads!
Hope so. I was thinking there might be no room for my 135 with all the spaces taken up with black taxis and stolen cars!
In fairness, it's a bit naff painting it in Tyrone colours.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 21, 2010, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 21, 2010, 09:44:09 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on May 21, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 21, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Right. I received a pm from someone wondering if the Fruithill Lawn Tennis & Bowling club was a myth. It is not. Not a boozer I would be in but I will be on Sunday at half 12ish. It is on the main Andytown road, about 50 yards (guess) from the Whitefort, towards ASDA.
Said person obviously didn't read Fuzzman's post from yesterday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
I love this google street view thingys.
For any of ye not knowing were the fruithill club is.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fruithill+bowling+club&sll=54.57634,-5.981455&sspn=0.006181,0.018604&ie=UTF8&hq=Fruithill+bowling+club&hnear=&layer=c&cbll=54.575934,-5.981917&panoid=fjX2PJueZx3pBCw36iQMaQ&cbp=12,312.97,,1,3.61&ll=54.575569,-5.986519&spn=0,0.018604&z=16&iwloc=B)
Plenty of room to park your tractors lads!
Hope so. I was thinking there might be no room for my 135 with all the spaces taken up with black taxis and stolen cars!
In fairness, it's a bit naff painting it in Tyrone colours.
Got a new 'Dukes of Hassard' horn fitted yesterday. All I need to do now is fill her wee red, load the linkbox with hang sangages and head off bout 4 n da mornin...
Is it just me or is there a very strange mood before this match?
A lot of people saying nothing about the match
As a matter of interest how many of ye Antrim lads think you have a good chance of a win. No bullshit chat like
What about ye "Neutrals" and I mean neutrals NOT ABT's if that is possible in Ulster.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2010, 11:24:38 AM
Is it just me or is there a very strange mood before this match?
A lot of people saying nothing about the match
As a matter of interest how many of ye Antrim lads think you have a good chance of a win. No bullshit chat like
What about ye "Neutrals" and I mean neutrals NOT ABT's if that is possible in Ulster.
I've no idea what the last two pages are about.
I can't see anything other than a Tyrone win here. I'm rarely confident before any USFC game untill the team is named. That always seems to settle me. It's the same this time.
Delighted to see Swift making his debut too.
Quote from: Zapatista on May 21, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2010, 11:24:38 AM
Is it just me or is there a very strange mood before this match?
A lot of people saying nothing about the match
As a matter of interest how many of ye Antrim lads think you have a good chance of a win. No bullshit chat like
What about ye "Neutrals" and I mean neutrals NOT ABT's if that is possible in Ulster.
I've no idea what the last two pages are about.
I can't see anything other than a Tyrone win here. I'm rarely confident before any USFC game untill the team is named. That always seems to settle me. It's the same this time.
Delighted to see Swift making his debut too.
Absolutely. A quality player, who has been known to outscore his opponent in club matches even though he is playing corner back!!!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2010, 11:24:38 AM
Is it just me or is there a very strange mood before this match?
A lot of people saying nothing about the match
As a matter of interest how many of ye Antrim lads think you have a good chance of a win. No bullshit chat like
What about ye "Neutrals" and I mean neutrals NOT ABT's if that is possible in Ulster.
To be realistic Fuzz, I'd say we have a chance but not a good chance. Can Antrim score enough to beat Tyrone?? The answer is probably not unless Tyrone have an off day. Antrim will have to cut out wides and take any goal chance that comes. TBH if Tyrone bring their "A" game and Antrim bring their "A" game you should win by 3-4.
Being honest I think we'll either win a tight match or get beat out the gate.
Events of this last week have not been good in Antrim. Michael Magill was an excellent target-man for us. To lose him is bad. Having Kevin McGourty even near the panel is a very bad idea too.
I'm also seriously concerned about our WHFs. There's no place for the two of those boys on that HF line. Unless Crozier moves up and Loughrey back. Being honest Loughrey is probably the only man with the athleticism for Kavanagh so hopefully he'll move back.
All in all not sure how confident I am...
I'm a lot more confident of a win in this game than I was before the Ulster Final last year. Question is - did Antrim learn all the lessons they needed to from that performance to prevent Tyrone from racing into a lead that they would be in no danger of losing? I still don't see enough cynicism being brought into Antrim's game, and while they can play great football at times, Sunday will require a little bit more than just that alone.
Quote from: barelegs on May 20, 2010, 09:27:57 PM
Harte's faith in some of the older players is worrying. He's picked a number of players that have shown no form and a number that have had next to no game time. David Harte, Ricey, Swift and Dooher can consider themselves fortunate to get starts. I hope I'm proven wrong but the decision not to use the younger players will hurt the team in the long run regardless of the result.
Mickey Harte, on the evening of the September 19th, 2010:
"Well, there were many who said that most of these lads were finished, including a good number from our own county, that they hadn't the legs anymore and that they were running on empty, but I'm delighted that today proved just how wrong they were. I never had any doubts about those lads, that when the Championship chips were down that they would produce the goods, and how they produced them today..."So, there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 21, 2010, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: barelegs on May 20, 2010, 09:27:57 PM
Harte's faith in some of the older players is worrying. He's picked a number of players that have shown no form and a number that have had next to no game time. David Harte, Ricey, Swift and Dooher can consider themselves fortunate to get starts. I hope I'm proven wrong but the decision not to use the younger players will hurt the team in the long run regardless of the result.
Mickey Harte, on the evening of the September 19th, 2010: "Well, there were many who said that most of these lads were finished, including a good number from our own county, that they hadn't the legs anymore and that they were running on empty, but I'm delighted that today proved just how wrong they were. I never had any doubts about those lads even after the defeat to Antrim, that when the Championship chips were down that they would produce the goods, and how they produced them today..."
So, there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth ;)
The full quote FoSB ;)
Swift and Carlin are both very accomplished at going forward, less so at shooting. They are both good solid defenders. Justy is a natural number 6 or 8 and thus steams forward maybe more times than he should. Will Justy ever get his chance out the field? It doesn't look like any time soon. Davy has been given a free role for years and has been exposed last year and how he retains his selection after this particular league campaign is a mystery. Jordan and Ricey are both very attacking as well. Jordan is top notch as usual, Ricey has looked off the pace. Gormley waiting in the wings has looked busted in a few league games, but he'd always be my first defender named on the starting 15. All in all the defense I think would get ripped to shreds if we were facing the rebels on Sunday. Maybe, I'm being harsh, but I'm hoping we get 5 or 6 hard championship games in with a couple of outings at HQ before we get another crack at the rebels. I hope I'm eating my words and all defenders put in a top drawer display. It's not an easy job.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production
The full quote FoSB ;)
I'd gladly give you that one ;)
By my counting thats 33 all ireland senior football medals on that Tyrone team. Holy fcuk
Personally I'm quite confident about Sunday.
I think our squad is much better than it was for most of 2008
We've a lot more options at midfield and still quite a lot of good forwards even if Brian McGuigan has not got back to where he was and I for one was naive to hope he would.
Tommy will come good again as well and maybe as yer Ardboe say he needs a run out around the HF line
If we can afford to play Joey as wing Forward then our defense must be not too bad.
I'm sure he'll be the target for a lot of kickouts like Cavlan used to be so without sounding over confident I think we should win this reasonably well.
It will be interesting to see how much we hand pass on Sunday
I think we could see less of our sideways passing and more long kick passing
I DO hope we dont see Mugsy & SoN in FF on their own being marked by 4 men and the ball never reaching them. Even if our MF HF & HB do score a fortune I wanna see Stevie and Mugsy get some nice scores.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2010, 02:26:40 PM
Personally I'm quite confident about Sunday.
I think our squad is much better than it was for most of 2008
We've a lot more options at midfield and still quite a lot of good forwards even if Brian McGuigan has not got back to where he was and I for one was naive to hope he would.
Tommy will come good again as well and maybe as yer Ardboe say he needs a run out around the HF line
If we can afford to play Joey as wing Forward then our defense must be not too bad.
I'm sure he'll be the target for a lot of kickouts like Cavlan used to be so without sounding over confident I think we should win this reasonably well.
It will be interesting to see how much we hand pass on Sunday
I think we could see less of our sideways passing and more long kick passing
I DO hope we dont see Mugsy & SoN in FF on their own being marked by 4 men and the ball never reaching them. Even if our MF HF & HB do score a fortune I wanna see Stevie and Mugsy get some nice scores.
You could look at that a different way in that if Joe is going to play a covering role like he did last year in casement against Derry then maybe the defence is not seen as being that strong? Time will tell I suppose.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2010, 02:26:40 PM
We've a lot more options at midfield
Really? I thought it was quite the opposite.
We've got Hub, Colm Cava, Sean, Joey & when he gets back Cassidy
Yeah I think yer right LSL.
Mickey likes to have wing Forwards that can often cover back and allow his HB's to push on forward so if they break up an attach you will either Ricey, Jordan or Harte pushing forward into that Brolly used to call that central shooting area and when the ball arrives their late they can then take a score with Dooher or Joey back covering in case it breaks down
I think we're going into this game in a good place. Now obviously no one wanted to get relegated but that has definitely taken the limelight of us to a certain extent. The league was a success in that we've a few new lads who have got some good game time and are in a place were we know that they can be thrown in an do a job. Apart from missing Mc Ginley, Gormley and Cassidy we've got a relatively healthy squad and plenty of options in lots of different position. We appear to like having adversity to overcome and with so many writing our obituaries perhaps the lads will go out and play a blinder to prove there's life in the old dog yet!
Tyrone by 5/6.
V surprised that Dooher is starting, its kinda gives you a picture of how woorried Mickey is that he has to play somone who hasn't played a game in god knows how long.. he must think that he can get the tough part of the game over with so that when he takes off Dooher that the cooneys of this world willcome on and shot a few points with the intensity is gone from the game.
Quote from: Man Marker on May 21, 2010, 02:49:51 PM
V surprised that Dooher is starting, its kinda gives you a picture of how woorried Mickey is that he has to play somone who hasn't played a game in god knows how long.. he must think that he can get the tough part of the game over with so that when he takes off Dooher that the cooneys of this world willcome on and shot a few points with the intensity is gone from the game.
Maybe he see this as an oportunity to give Dooher game time to get him up to speed for harder tests ahead! Dooher will have a blinder and Tyrone to win by at least 5.
I think Dooher is a unique player, the finest half forward of his generation, I cant understand why people try to associate him with normal footballers retirement trends, and think that he should queue up to get a game like everybody else. Dooher is different, Dooher goes straight back in there. He'll be okay. Thanks for your concern.
Can't see Dooher starting and if he does I doubt he'll last 50 minutes. This is Antrim's best opportunity for a big scalp in 30 odd years, so long as they don't go in already beaten as they did in the final last year. Unless Harte has been spending the summer working out some secret plan B, these players don't have the legs for the running game.
Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2010, 02:13:32 PM
By my counting thats 33 all ireland senior football medals on that Tyrone team. Holy fcuk
And a further 10 on the bench. Probably around 30 minor and U21 medals as well.
Incredibly Pascal McConnell, Kevin Hughes, Stephen O'Neill and Owen Mulligan also started the 1998 AI minor final. Brian McGuigan was on the bench that day too.
Quote from: Ulick on May 21, 2010, 03:35:05 PM
Can't see Dooher starting and if he does I doubt he'll last 50 minutes. This is Antrim's best opportunity for a big scalp in 30 odd years, so long as they don't go in already beaten as they did in the final last year. Unless Harte has been spending the summer working out some secret plan B, these players don't have the legs for the running game.
I love all this talk of how the Tyrone players have all 'lost their legs', you would swear they were all about 35 or something. I wouldn't base too much on what you see in the league in the Winter months when teams are nowhere near their sharpest or fittest.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 21, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
I love all this talk of how the Tyrone players have all 'lost their legs', you would swear they were all about 35 or something. I wouldn't base too much on what you see in the league in the Winter months when teams are nowhere near their sharpest or fittest.
Well Dooher held together with sticking tape as it is and as I remember he was abysmal in their first Championship game last year, so I wouldn't be expecting him to be able to tear up and down the field on Sunday as he normally does. I thought Tyrone were showing signs of ageing last year as it was and like Canute, not even Mickey Harte can hold back the force of nature, especially when he is persisting again with pretty much the same first 15.
ILick these Armagh boys praying that this Tyrone team are spent
Yeah sure they're all well over 30.
Arent they?
Lads?
Lads?
Ye there?
lads?
Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2010, 02:13:32 PM
By my counting thats 33 all ireland senior football medals on that Tyrone team. Holy fcuk
Surely theres more?
P McConnell x 3
M Swift
Justin McMahon x 1
D Carlin x 2
D Harte x 2
R McMenaminn x 3
P Jordan x 3
K Hughes x 3
C Cavanagh x 1
B Dooher x 3
S Cavanagh x 3
Joe McMahon x 2
M Penrose x 2
S O'Neill x 3
O Mulligan x 3
34? I could be wrong but would like to know where if anyone could tell me.
Hughes has 2 Radda, he was away in 2005.
I think we all know by now that Stevie only has 2
Shit lads the Armagh lads are right.
Mickey has overlooked the possibility these lads are over the hill and will not have the legs
Will somebody ring him cos he'll never have thought of that and we'll get a hammering and he'll get the sack and Bad Aul Sean Cavanagh will be laughing all the way saying
"There write yer new book noo Mickey in al yer spare time Sor"
Will Brian McGuigan be pushing for a starting spot this summer, or will he be a bit part player brought on from the bench?
Quote from: Ulick on May 21, 2010, 04:22:36 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 21, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
I love all this talk of how the Tyrone players have all 'lost their legs', you would swear they were all about 35 or something. I wouldn't base too much on what you see in the league in the Winter months when teams are nowhere near their sharpest or fittest.
Well Dooher held together with sticking tape as it is and as I remember he was abysmal in their first Championship game last year, so I wouldn't be expecting him to be able to tear up and down the field on Sunday as he normally does. I thought Tyrone were showing signs of ageing last year as it was and like Canute, not even Mickey Harte can hold back the force of nature, especially when he is persisting again with pretty much the same first 15.
I think a few people will be eating words about Dooher on Sunday from what I hear of his form in training.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 21, 2010, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 21, 2010, 04:22:36 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 21, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
I love all this talk of how the Tyrone players have all 'lost their legs', you would swear they were all about 35 or something. I wouldn't base too much on what you see in the league in the Winter months when teams are nowhere near their sharpest or fittest.
Well Dooher held together with sticking tape as it is and as I remember he was abysmal in their first Championship game last year, so I wouldn't be expecting him to be able to tear up and down the field on Sunday as he normally does. I thought Tyrone were showing signs of ageing last year as it was and like Canute, not even Mickey Harte can hold back the force of nature, especially when he is persisting again with pretty much the same first 15.
I think a few people will be eating words about Dooher on Sunday from what I hear of his form in training.
it will make a change from eating hats !!! A remarkable player.
this game will prove that antrim got lucky last year baker will have plenty of time to eat breakfast and attend photo opportunites bertie ahern didnt attend as many as baker
Reckon Antrim will give 100% and will come off the field proud of their performance.
Tyrone, on the other hand, will play no better than average with a few disappointing performances from key players!
Antrim 0 - 8 Tyrone 2 -11
Very optimistic of you gaffer. I reckon Antrim are well up for it on Sunday from speaking to various ones. I definitely wouldn't rule out a surprise from Antrim. I will be there for the senior match with my boys and my Mrs, really looking forward to it now.
Any of yis who are congregating in fruithill are more than welcome to say hello. I daresay I will be the only hallion at it in an Armagh top of some kind with 2 young babies and Mrs
For all the shite talk about Tyrone being "done" and all the rest, here are some interesting stats. The age of the KERRY
team who won 3 in a row at tyrones expense in 1986, came from 7 down to win by 8...........hardly hanging on were they?
1) 29
2) 31
3) 29
4) 29
5) 30
6) 24
7) 30
8) 29
9) 24
10) 26
11) 30
12) 31
13) 32
14) 29
15) 34!
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 21, 2010, 10:37:09 PM
For all the shite talk about Tyrone being "done" and all the rest, here are some interesting stats. The age of the KERRY
team who won 3 in a row at tyrones expense in 1986, came from 7 down to win by 8...........hardly hanging on were they?
1) 29
2) 31
3) 29
4) 29
5) 30
6) 24
7) 30
8) 29
9) 24
10) 26
11) 30
12) 31
13) 32
14) 29
15) 34!
Yes but with that Kerry team, you are talking about the greatest bunch of players who were graced a football field and, at the ages above, that was to be their final great day in the Sun.
ach....sure they were only cubs ;D
Tyrone had a tough league, but think the way the training regime has gone, the key players are all hitting form at the right time. Massive is the return of both of the McMahons.
Although I'd have liked to have seen Petey Harte get the nod, Dooher starting says a lot about his fitness.
MF remains an issue, may not get exposed on Sunday, but will at some stage. But the fact Sean and Joe are at the HF line may patch things to some extent. Half back line remains a worry. I'd expect Joe to drop back there maybe.
exactly, one more day in the sun for some of Tyrones players is coming ;D Feck me Tacodoir, that will be FOUR! Will it make you throw up? ;D
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 21, 2010, 10:43:11 PM
exactly, one more day in the sun for some of Tyrones players is coming ;D Feck me Tacodoir, that will be FOUR! Will it make you throw up? ;D
It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Can't see it happening though. Cork were quite a distance ahead of Tyrone last August. Are Tyrone significantly better this year than they were in 2009? It would seem doubtful though you couldn't discount Harte having another magicial reniscance up his sleeve.
I think Antrim will give a better account of themselves on Sunday than last year's Ulster final. They might have Tyrone rattled at stages but I'd expect the Red Hands to shade it by 3 or 4.
A fair point regarding the age profile of the Kerry '86 team but you also have to take into account the difference in Fitness levels and speed of that era compared to this era. A team of Kerry '86's age would would find it hard to survive in todays game even with their abundance of talent.
BROCKAGH HILL
One night as I lay slumbering in my silent bed alone
Some rakish thoughts came in my head which caused me for to roam
To leave behind me my native town and the wee girl I adore
To take a trip as I saw fit strange countries to explore
The night before I went away I was walking over Brockagh Hill
I met my love upon the road and her eyes with tears did fill
O Johnny dear she said stay here and do not go away
For there'll be none for comfort me when you are o'er the sea
Well I took her by the lily white hand and I held her long and fast
My darling girl I must away for our ship lies in Belfast
But if you'll prove constant I'll prove true for you know I am well inclined
So we kissed shook hands and parted and I left my girl behind
And it's when we landed in Greenock sure the people all gathered round
They said I was a rakish lad come to cut their harvest down
They told me to return home and to never more be seen
So that very night I took my flight back to Erin's lovely green
And when Mary heard her Johnny was home her heart it did leap with joy
So three herself all in his arms saying yo're my darling boy
O Johnny dear I'm glad you're here for you I have thought long
So let them all say as they will our wedding will go on
And Brockagh Hill is a lovely place with fine wee girls therein
You'd swear they were the nightingale when they sit down and sing
Where the Salmon Trout do sport about round Lough Neagh's verdant shore
So let them all say as they will you are mine forever
A sure fire way to win this game would be for you to recite that fine prose to the lads before they take to the field. It will stoke the fires of pride within each man's belly and they'll burst through brick walls to protect and enhance Brockagh and Tir Eoghains proud footballing tradition.
Or alternatively you could recite it in the Fruithill before the game and give everyone a bit of a laugh.
Tyrones nfl campaign can be taken with a pinch of salt, tomorrow will be the real tyrone. Back to nearly full strength, only gormley and cassidy of first team not available. Im sure antrim will have learned from final last year and will try not to let tyrone get too far ahead from start, if the score is only few points at ht then we will see what both teams are made of! I can see a copy of last weeks game, win at all costs. I know where i would rather be on monday morning, the next round! With one kevin mcgourty scoring the winner, carlsberg dont do gaa results!!
On that subject for once brendan crossan of irish news wrote a decent piece more than i can say for his weekly anti man united rants, and he is right mcgourty is one of if not the best in county at minute bar niblock, and one thing is for sure if needed mcgourt will be champing at the bit to show what he can do against the ulster champs.
Just remember this time last year terry oneill was drafted in at last minute and got 2 man of the match awards!
All the talk is near done now, just hope its a good day, weather wise and casement will be packed.
Any word if the minor teams have been picked?
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 12:10:38 AM
BROCKAGH HILL
One night as I lay slumbering in my silent bed alone
Some rakish thoughts came in my head which caused me for to roam
To leave behind me my native town and the wee girl I adore
To take a trip as I saw fit strange countries to explore
The night before I went away I was walking over Brockagh Hill
I met my love upon the road and her eyes with tears did fill
O Johnny dear she said stay here and do not go away
For there'll be none for comfort me when you are o'er the sea
Well I took her by the lily white hand and I held her long and fast
My darling girl I must away for our ship lies in Belfast
But if you'll prove constant I'll prove true for you know I am well inclined
So we kissed shook hands and parted and I left my girl behind
And it's when we landed in Greenock sure the people all gathered round
They said I was a rakish lad come to cut their harvest down
They told me to return home and to never more be seen
So that very night I took my flight back to Erin's lovely green
And when Mary heard her Johnny was home her heart it did leap with joy
So three herself all in his arms saying yo're my darling boy
O Johnny dear I'm glad you're here for you I have thought long
So let them all say as they will our wedding will go on
And Brockagh Hill is a lovely place with fine wee girls therein
You'd swear they were the nightingale when they sit down and sing
Where the Salmon Trout do sport about round Lough Neagh's verdant shore
So let them all say as they will you are mine forever
Armoured cars and tanks and guns
Came to take away our sons
But every man must stand behind
The men behind the wire
Through the little streets of Belfast
In the dark of early morn
British soldiers came marauding
Wrecking little homes with scorn
Heedless of the crying children
Dragging fathers from their beds
Beating sons while helpless mothers
Watched the blood poor from their heads
Not for them a judge and jury
Nor indeed a trial at all
But being Irish means you´re guilty
So we´re guilty one and all
Round the world the truth will echo
Cromwell´s men are here again
England´s name again is sullied
In the eyes of honest men.
Proud we march behind our banner
Firm we´ll stand behind our men
We will have them free to help us
Build a nation once again
On the people step together
Proudly firmly on their way
Never fear never falter
Till the boys are home to stay
Hi lads - interviews with Stephen O'Neill and Tony Scullion on episode 2 of my weekly GAA podcast
http://action81.com/blog/?p=2038
I haven't seen Antrim play this year. There is enough to suggest that they are an improving side since last year, it would not surprise me at all if they beat a Tyrone team who have been performing poorly.
Did anyone watch Antrim against Sligo!?! :o
It's all well beating Div 3 teams, tomorrow's a different animal.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 22, 2010, 02:48:57 PM
Did anyone watch Antrim against Sligo!?! :o
It's all well beating Div 3 teams, tomorrow's a different animal.
A div.2 team v a div.2 team.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 06:26:39 PM
What will the minute silence be for?
The demise of the game as we know and love it and a lament for the new rules.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 08:10:24 PM
I'd say the Tyrone boys are shitting themselves now.
Antrim by 2.
The smell up here is unreal !
Tyrone by 5.
Tyrone by 8..mugsy 1-5
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 08:47:09 PM
Fcuk me, it's warm in Belfast. Dandered to the shop (2 minute walk), wearing a t-shirt and the sweat was running out of me.
You're not so bad it's only sweat that's running out of you. The shite is running out of us up here.
Some manure going about alright! Happy to see all the Belfast press hyping Antrim. Apparently according to Orla Bannon, expectations have never been lower for a Tyrone team entering the c'ship under MH. ::)
Now that Tyrone actually have someone to take scores, I can see them killing Antrim off in the first half.
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/tyrone-gaa-tv/ (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/tyrone-gaa-tv/) - belfast buses in Tyrone, whatever next. Keep watching til 1 min 30 in for Mickey saying refs have been told to 'sicken' everyone by blowing the handpasses.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 06:26:39 PM
What will the minute silence be for?
Mickey Hartes cousins neighbours friends dog died during the week. It is getting beyond a joke these days. Anyone who ever had a drink in a GAA club gets a minutes silence.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Down South on May 22, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 06:26:39 PM
What will the minute silence be for?
Mickey Hartes cousins neighbours friends dog died during the week. It is getting beyond a joke these days. Anyone who ever had a drink in a GAA club gets a minutes silence.
It was for the famine last week. Every match.
It's for the recession this week.
Quote from: orangeman on May 22, 2010, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Down South on May 22, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 06:26:39 PM
What will the minute silence be for?
Mickey Hartes cousins neighbours friends dog died during the week. It is getting beyond a joke these days. Anyone who ever had a drink in a GAA club gets a minutes silence.
It was for the famine last week. Every match.
It's for the recession this week.
What recession?
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Down South on May 22, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 06:26:39 PM
What will the minute silence be for?
Mickey Hartes cousins neighbours friends dog died during the week. It is getting beyond a joke these days. Anyone who ever had a drink in a GAA club gets a minutes silence.
It was for the famine last week. Every match.
Possibly because May 16 was national commeration day for the Irish Famine.
Here what's the craic with getting to Casement in the back road. What's the best way in from Lisburn? Stewartstown Road?
Quote from: Down South on May 22, 2010, 09:36:37 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 22, 2010, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Down South on May 22, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 06:26:39 PM
What will the minute silence be for?
Mickey Hartes cousins neighbours friends dog died during the week. It is getting beyond a joke these days. Anyone who ever had a drink in a GAA club gets a minutes silence.
It was for the famine last week. Every match.
It's for the recession this week.
What recession?
Take your pick.
Had a mid-afternoon dream that Colm Cavanagh had a stormer of a game, announcing himself in the national stage. Then he fecked up a clear goal chance. Some eejit shouted out "I've seen better hands on a leper". Colm was replaced by Mark Harte.
Actually think Colm might shine tomorrow.
What's an acceptable level of pre-match pints?
Quote from: orangeman on May 22, 2010, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: Down South on May 22, 2010, 09:36:37 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 22, 2010, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Down South on May 22, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 06:26:39 PM
What will the minute silence be for?
Mickey Hartes cousins neighbours friends dog died during the week. It is getting beyond a joke these days. Anyone who ever had a drink in a GAA club gets a minutes silence.
It was for the famine last week. Every match.
It's for the recession this week.
What recession?
Take your pick.
Its only a recession if you are unemployed. I think we ve never had it better, your money goes a lot further these days. Land is cheap, they are practically giving houses away. what more could you want? An Antrim win tomorrow would just top things off.
What time is the game tomorrow? I have to be in Belfast at 10am, if its an early throw in I would stay on to watch it.
Took a drive down Andytown way this evening and the place is looking all ready for the off. Flags, chip wrappers, flashing lights, boys in baseball hats with blue bags etc and that general feeling of anticipation on the road. So, up at ten, "service the wife", shower and wash the 'lad' (you never know as there might be a bit of loose on the go from Omagh tomorrow), a quick phone around, a few swals in the Hunting Lodge on the cards from about 1.00 pm and perhaps another few in the PD, two in Biddy Duffy's, a few tins from the off-licence at the Whitefort (perhaps another three pints there also) and a big long public pish up the side wall of Casement before we pay our way onto the terraces at about 3.30 and then half-cut, mouthing and slabbern, maybe then, we can dream.
I was watching the Antrim Tyrone highlights from '87 on the BBC website i.e. the day that we had the '86 finalists on the rack in the rain. Times have changed and from the half-empty green grassy slopes of the ground back then, I hope to see at least 30,000 there tomorrow - weather permitting. Strange but true but I was at that game (I was a mere pup) in Casement in '87 and the Tyrone ones had all their colours from the '86 all Ireland with them, and the Antrim fans could muster was one (yes one) - saffron flag, and that was a Papal flag that had been lying under someone's stairs since the Pope's visit in 1979. None of your replica jerseys from O' Neill's back then.
I have a Down in the lashing rain feeling from 2000 feeling about tomorrow .. as Jackie Charlton would said: 'Put 'em under pressure!!!!'
I think the last time I watched Tyrone lose in Casement was 1999. Scorching hot day.
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 10:33:09 PM
I think the last time I watched Tyrone lose in Casement was 1999. Sorching hot day.
Down. Brutal warm day.
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 10:33:09 PM
I think the last time I watched Tyrone lose in Casement was 1999. Sorching hot day.
Was at that too. Down were dead and buried but then ...
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on May 22, 2010, 10:40:01 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 10:33:09 PM
I think the last time I watched Tyrone lose in Casement was 1999. Sorching hot day.
Was at that too. Down were dead and buried but then ...
I think that might have been Cormac's first game for Tyrone. Am I right?
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 22, 2010, 09:46:42 PM
Here what's the craic with getting to Casement in the back road. What's the best way in from Lisburn? Stewartstown Road?
depends what way you're coming out of Lisburn. If you come into Belfast through dunmurry village on the Lisburn road, just go to finaghy crossroads and take a left onto finaghy road north.
Carry onto the end of that road then turn right. That brings you onto the Andersonstown road. Casement is 5 minutes walk from there so park up wherever you can.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 10:43:09 PM
Baker's Antrim have a good record in Casement.
Has he ever lost there in league?
First Championship game there.
Down 2-14 Tyrone 0-15
TALK of Down's demise has been greatly exaggerated. It was always unlikely the Mourne Men would end this decade without some sort of bang. Unlikely too that they would allow Tyrone crawl all over them in Casement yesterday, as had been widely anticipated.
Instead, it was Tyrone who whimpered out of the championship, ghostly shadows of their true selves for much of the afternoon. Try as they do to conceal it, the team remain utterly dependant on Peter Canavan. This was evident again yesterday, as Finbarr Caulfield comprehensively dealt with the diminutive forward, leaving Tyrone with very few options up front.
A combination of the televisual lure and the hostile weekend that was in it, ensured there were many empty seats in Casement Park. Those that stayed away missed the finest summer football Down have produced in five years. Whether they have enough to curb the Armagh bandwagon remains to be seen, but at times yesterday, the Mourne men were a joy to watch. Nowhere was this better emphasised than in the play that led to the two Ciaran McCabe goals, both conjures memories of the early part of the decade. For the opening 25 minutes though, a different tale was unfolding. One of Tyrone's superiority and the destruction of Down.
Overwhelmed by anxiety and nerves in the first quarter, the Down defence wilted early on against the sheer pace of Tyrone's attack. Full-forward Matt McGleeenan, in particular, was causing numerous problems. Micheal McGill, captaining the side in place of James McCartan, was finding his speed and power almost impossible to deal with. McGleenan was a vital cog as Tyrone built an impressive early lead, with four points in the first seven minutes. Two of these came from the boot of Canavan.
Adrain Cush scored the first of his four frees in this fruitful period. However Cush, for so long Canavan's foil, was to have a poor day, and his only contribution was to come from the placed ball. It took Down nine minutes to eventually register a score. Like so many of their scores, it started deep in defence, with Simian Poland running through the middle. Poland fed Mickey Linden, who found a free Shane Ward to bring Down into the match.
Down's brief spell was not to last, though. Too often when they tried to play the ball out of defence, Down were wasteful, giving the ball away continually to a white shirt when a number of red shirts were free.
These elementary mistakes resulted in a continuos Tyrone attack for much of the first 20 minutes, which Down often had to curtail through fouling, which Adrian Cush was only too pleased to punish. At the same time, Tyrone's indiscretions were going unpunished as Shane Mulholland failed on numerous occasions to convert place kicks.
The Mourne revival co-incided with the decision to allow Ross Carr to take over kicking duty. Until that point, Carr had been having a dreadful game, finding it difficult to re-acquaint himself with the rigours of championship football. His marker, Ciaran Gourley was the main thrust behind the early Tyrone dominance, latching onto all the breaking ball in midfield. It was Gourley's influence, enhanced by the giant presence of Ger Cavlan in midfield that helped Tyrone build a six point lead with ten minutes left in the half. Gourley and Cavlan both carried the ball from midfield, into the forward line, where Canvan and Ciaran Loughran were torturing Down backs.
The last five minutes of the half irrevocably changed the narrative of the game. A long ball from Poland, found Linden unmarked and bearing down on the Tyrone goal. Although, Finbarr McConnell made a fine stop, the chance bred a new confidence into the Down side. Shane Ward brought the deficit back to five seconds later, after burrowing his way through the Tyrone defence. Then, the change in kicker began to yield dividends. Carr pointed two frees in quick succession, before Paul Higgins nailed the best score of the game, started on the Down goal-line by Micheal MaGill the movement used Ward, Poland, Linden before Higgins finally found the space to shoot. Down then trailed by only two points, 0 9 to 0 7, and played with a renewed self-belief, that was to be clearly illustrated in the second half.
Down arrived onto the pitch early for the closing half, exuding belief. It was Tyrone who were to get the first score of the half though, as Brian Dooher finished a short passing move with a thundering kick. It was to prove only to be a glitch, as Down reminded us of why they were so feared a few short years ago.
Seven minutes in and Mickey Linden found himself with the ball out on the wing. A sweet lay-off to a rushing Shane Mulholland and a goal beckoned. McConnell saved superbly from Mulholland, but McCabe made little mistakes with the rebound, levelling the game and increasing the vigour in the Mourne football.
Following the goal, Tyrone managed to stay in touch for a short while, without ever looking like they would halt the Down charge. When Linden put Down ahead for the first time in the match in the 43rd minute, Brian Dooher evened matters again. It was to be Tyrone's last hurrah. Mulholland, making up for a disappointing first half, was at the crux of much of what Down created and added to their snowballing score, with a safely-struck point after 48 minutes. The only worrying aspect of Down's play, mentioned by Pete McGrath afterwards, was the number of frees they kicked, 15 in all. With a hungry Armagh waiting in the wings, it is something in severe need of rectification.
But, there was little doubt there was more purpose to Down's play in the second half, and their forwards were showing some masterful touches that Tyrone's experienced back-line couldn't counter. The second goal, when it came, was almost a carbon-copy of the first. Mulholland was the provider once more and he found a free McCabe who bungled the ball home.
Brian Burns' strength in the middle of the field only embellished a powerful Down display, and the screams of James McCartan, holding one crutch like a forgotten warrior on the sidelines, painted a picture of a united, settled squad.
Now, they must take on their nearest neighbours in the Ulster final, and are only three games away from completing a hat-trick of All-Irelands in the nineties. Few would have thought it.
Scorers: Down : C. McCabe 2-3, R. Carr 0-3, 0 2 frees), M. Linden (0-3), S. Ward, S. Mulholland 0-2 each, P. Higgins(0-1)
Tyrone: A. Cush 0-4 (frees), B. Dooher and P. Canavan (0-3), G. Calvan (0-2), E. Gormley, C. Loughran, R. McGarrity 0-1each.
DOWN : M. McVeigh; F. Caulfield, M. MaGill, K. Byrne, P. Higgins, S. Ward, S. Poland; B. Burns, A. Molloy; G. Deegan, S. Mulholland, R. Carr, M. Linden, C. McCabe, Shane Ward Subs. P. Matthews for Byrne(30 mins).
TYRONE: F. McConnell; F. Devlin, R. McGarrity, P. McGurk, P. Canavan, C. Holmes, C. Gourley; C. McAnallen, G. Cavlan; A. Cush, E. Gormley, B. Dooher, C. Loughran, M. McGleenan, Peter Canavan Subs.S. Lawn for McAnallen(42 mins) P. Delvin for McGurk(48 mins), S. O'Neill for Loughran (64 mins).
Referee: Pat McEneaney (Monaghan).
Houl on here - a McConnell, Dooher, Stevie O'Neill, Gourley knocking about, a rasping hot day, McEnaney reffing....
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on May 22, 2010, 10:14:04 PM
Took a drive down Andytown way this evening and the place is looking all ready for the off. Flags, chip wrappers, flashing lights, boys in baseball hats with blue bags etc and that general feeling of anticipation on the road. So, up at ten, "service the wife", shower and wash the 'lad' (you never know as there might be a bit of loose on the go from Omagh tomorrow), a quick phone around, a few swals in the Hunting Lodge on the cards from about 1.00 pm and perhaps another few in the PD, two in Biddy Duffy's, a few tins from the off-licence at the Whitefort (perhaps another three pints there also) and a big long public pish up the side wall of Casement before we pay our way onto the terraces at about 3.30 and then half-cut, mouthing and slabbern, maybe then, we can dream.
I was watching the Antrim Tyrone highlights from '87 on the BBC website i.e. the day that we had the '86 finalists on the rack in the rain. Times have changed and from the half-empty green grassy slopes of the ground back then, I hope to see at least 30,000 there tomorrow - weather permitting. Strange but true but I was at that game (I was a mere pup) in Casement in '87 and the Tyrone ones had all their colours from the '86 all Ireland with them, and the Antrim fans could muster was one (yes one) - saffron flag, and that was a Papal flag that had been lying under someone's stairs since the Pope's visit in 1979. None of your replica jerseys from O' Neill's back then.
I have a Down in the lashing rain feeling from 2000 feeling about tomorrow .. as Jackie Charlton would said: 'Put 'em under pressure!!!!'
:D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8697326.stm
Baker confident
The time has come. Its now or never, and 34 AI medals or not, our men can do this tomorrow. Casement is ours, and it will take a mighty Tyrone effort to beat us. No fear at all, total faith in Liam, Niall and Paddy, and in particular this group of players, our "golden generation".
Kickin every ball with ye lads!
In that match report O'Neill it mentions the poor crowd and something about the hostile week if was in, what's that all about?
The political situation OG. Wouldnt that have been the week of the Milltown funerals?
Never forget the Down v Tyrone game in Casement a decade earlier. Anyone on here remember the point from Frank Mc Guigan in that match?
Unreal tension. So much at stake tomorrow. Its on national tV, and if we can get the result I expect, things will go through the roof! So much to gain, a fair bit to lose. Its all to play for. The St Galls boys think they own Casement, and hope that spreads to the rest.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: bannside on May 22, 2010, 11:03:45 PM
The time has come. Its now or never, and 34 AI medals or not, our men can do this tomorrow. Casement is ours, and it will take a mighty Tyrone effort to beat us. No fear at all, total faith in Liam, Niall and Paddy, and in particular this group of players, our "golden generation".
Kickin every ball with ye lads!
I agree.
C'MON ANTRIM!
God love youse. You haven't a hope :D will be like the Ulster final again... a canter.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2010, 11:07:24 PM
In that match report O'Neill it mentions the poor crowd and something about the hostile week if was in, what's that all about?
h
We do recall the shite that Drumcree produced about then.... ?
Just winding you up tho I can't really see an Antrim win. Tyrone half back line can be explioted tho... Davy, Ricey and Philly... a lot of years on the board there.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2010, 11:07:24 PM
In that match report O'Neill it mentions the poor crowd and something about the hostile week if was in, what's that all about?
Most likely Loughgall. The Milltown attack was a year later and around Paddy's day as I remember the McLarnon Cup final was moved to Portlaoise due to Caoimhin O'Bradaigh's funeral.
Erm, you lads are a decade out. Probably Drumcree in 1999.
Milltown funerals were in March 1988.
Druncree was at its height in 1999.
I'd like to see Tyrone tighten up in the easy free conceded department. They've been plagued with that all year and no better man than Hands to make them pay.
On the other hand, where are the Antrim scores going to come from, from play?
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 11:40:55 PM
Erm, you lads are a decade out. Probably Drumcree in 1999.
Jeez, I'm sitting here wondering what these boys were talking about. 10 year anniversary stuff was flooding my mind.
I'm obviously watching the wrong link. One had soccer players and boxers and the other the 1987 games - assumed the 1987 game.
adh mor aontroima
I'm hearing O'Neill won't start... Stephen that is..
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 22, 2010, 11:55:12 PM
I'm hearing O'Neill won't start... Stephen that is..
Serious ?
Who's in ?
Malachi Cush.
Just heard he won't be starting. Don't know who is in. Mightn't even be true!
Tommy McGuigan if that's a true story.
Quote from: bannside on May 23, 2010, 12:00:29 AM
Malachi Cush.
He's not even named in the subs.
Big fine coming if he starts.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 11:52:52 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:51:36 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 11:40:55 PM
Erm, you lads are a decade out. Probably Drumcree in 1999.
Jeez, I'm sitting here wondering what these boys were talking about. 10 year anniversary stuff was flooding my mind.
I'm obviously watching the wrong link. One had soccer players and boxers and the other the 1987 games - assumed the 1987 game.
No, it was an article posted by ONeill.
Apologies, Quinn children then maybe.
Quote from: Ulick on May 23, 2010, 12:02:08 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 11:52:52 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:51:36 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 11:40:55 PM
Erm, you lads are a decade out. Probably Drumcree in 1999.
Jeez, I'm sitting here wondering what these boys were talking about. 10 year anniversary stuff was flooding my mind.
I'm obviously watching the wrong link. One had soccer players and boxers and the other the 1987 games - assumed the 1987 game.
No, it was an article posted by ONeill.
Apologies, Quinn children then maybe.
That was 1998.
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 11:48:33 PM
I'd like to see Tyrone tighten up in the easy free conceded department. They've been plagued with that all year and no better man than Hands to make them pay.
On the other hand, where are the Antrim scores going to come from, from play?
We're just hoping that Tyrone's defence opens up like it did agin Dublin. If not, we're done for.
That's true - Dooher/Harte could be badly exposed down that side.
Expect Locky to get the better of Harte. Nibs to win the battle of the day, and pity Tomas wasnt at ten to put Jordan on the back foot..
Terry a grand player, but maybe not the pace to go toe to toe with Philip Jordan.
2/3 aint bad, but wud av expected a full hand if Tomas lined out at ten. Hope you get this Niall or baker.
Quote from: ONeill on May 23, 2010, 12:05:24 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2010, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 11:48:33 PM
I'd like to see Tyrone tighten up in the easy free conceded department. They've been plagued with that all year and no better man than Hands to make them pay.
On the other hand, where are the Antrim scores going to come from, from play?
We're just hoping that Tyrone's defence opens up like it did agin Dublin. If not, we're done for.
That's true - Dooher/Harte could be badly exposed down that side.
as could the woman in owenvarragh
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2010, 11:40:55 PM
Erm, you lads are a decade out. Probably Drumcree in 1999.
Ah right, forgot about that being round that time. I was just a nipper at 14 years of age then. Wasn't too politically/socially aware back in them days. The innocence of youth, eh?
Ack i'm hearing rumours that Dooher's not starting, now O'Neill. We'll see tomorrow. Both the Clann men have been flying lately. Takes little to start a rumour.
Really looking forward to tomorrow. Hate Casement as a ground, but the weather and spirited Antrim support should make for a great atmosphere in contrast to that muck raking dud last week. Antrim would need to make it a contest this time, hope they do in fact.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 23, 2010, 12:52:40 AM
Ack i'm hearing rumours that Dooher's not starting, now O'Neill. We'll see tomorrow. Both the Clann men have been flying lately. Takes little to start a rumour.
Really looking forward to tomorrow. Hate Casement as a ground, but the weather and spirited Antrim support should make for a great atmosphere in contrast to that muck raking dud last week. Antrim would need to make it a contest this time, hope they do in fact.
Getting the pre-match jitters now sandwiches? What happened to:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12.msg786403#msg786403 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12.msg786403#msg786403)
Best wishes to all teams today.
Hoping for a good game to light up the championship.
Antrim to storm out of the blocks. Tyrone to reel them in. Toe to toe after that:
Tyrone 0-16 Antrim 1-13
As usual the rumour mill is in overdrive.Heard last night that O'Neill and Colm Cavanagh are out.I suppose it gives people something to talk about,if nothing else.
Good luck to both teams today, hopefully we can get out of casement with a double victory.
I'm going for a 1-15 to 2-09 win for the red hands.
Stuck at work today, and the plans to nip out and see it on TV are torpedo now as well.
My only message this morning is put on the factor 30 lads.
Quote from: Ulick on May 23, 2010, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 23, 2010, 12:52:40 AM
Ack i'm hearing rumours that Dooher's not starting, now O'Neill. We'll see tomorrow. Both the Clann men have been flying lately. Takes little to start a rumour.
Really looking forward to tomorrow. Hate Casement as a ground, but the weather and spirited Antrim support should make for a great atmosphere in contrast to that muck raking dud last week. Antrim would need to make it a contest this time, hope they do in fact.
Getting the pre-match jitters now sandwiches? What happened to:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12.msg786403#msg786403 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12.msg786403#msg786403)
Dooher is fit, doesn't stop half the county engaging in the oul night before gossip.
Hardly jitters merely wanting a competitive game of football.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 23, 2010, 12:52:40 AM
Ack i'm hearing rumours that Dooher's not starting, now O'Neill. We'll see tomorrow. Both the Clann men have been flying lately. Takes little to start a rumour.
Really looking forward to tomorrow. Hate Casement as a ground, but the weather and spirited Antrim support should make for a great atmosphere in contrast to that muck raking dud last week. Antrim would need to make it a contest this time, hope they do in fact.
No better pitch in Ulster than Casement. granted the ground could do with a make over but you'll never play on a better pitch.
Antrim by 1
ok two hours before my first pint (well of today), sun glassess and baseball cap ready, St Galls polo shirt ironed (thats a first)
my pass out only lasts till 6.30 then i'll be collected by her indoors
see you all on the terraced side £13 only
25 degrees outside Casement as we speak. Will Tyrones legs last 70 minutes in this heat? Hardly an Antrim flag in sight.
Price of a standing ticket?
1-12 to 0-10 til tyrone, cant see our boys doing it but hope te god they can
My prediction for the game
Tyrone 1-15
Antrim 0-13
Feck its warm.
what's the score in the minor match?
Setanta ordered - bacon and sausages in the oven, potato bread ready for the fryin pan - Come on Tyrone!!!
Start at four?
yeah starts at 4, should be a good game. tyrone won the minors
Quote from: Puckoon on May 23, 2010, 03:25:52 PM
Setanta ordered - bacon and sausages in the oven, potato bread ready for the fryin pan - Come on Tyrone!!!
Is your setanta working? Is that setanta -i
Working now see yous at half time. :)
Kevin Hughes hits the net from Tyrone.
Antrim 0-01 Tyrone 1-01
10 minutes gone
Brendan Herron is shite.
Tyrone lead by 4 points.
Antrim 0-02 Tyrone 1-03
Tyrone scores
Kevin Hughes 1-00
Colm Cavanagh 0-01
Sean Cavanagh 0-01
Stephen O'Neill 0-01
Antrim scorers:
T. McCann 0-01
P. Cunningham 0-01
Looking ominous for Antrim. Very poor at midfield and can't cope with O'Neill.
Stephen O' Neill scores a free.
Antrim 0-02 Tyrone 1-4
Justin Mc Mahon scores a point
Antrim 0-02 Tyrone 1-05
M Mc Cann points for Antrim
Antrim 0-03 Tyrone 1-05
FFS, how many times is Colm Cavanagh going to give here away! >:( last 4 possessions, all to Antrim!
Quote from: Puckoon on May 23, 2010, 03:25:52 PM
Setanta ordered - bacon and sausages in the oven, potato bread ready for the fryin pan - Come on Tyrone!!!
2 breakfasts in a wee cafe on the corner of "RPG Avenue" and the Falls. 2 Coffees (fresh, none of your instant) and a can of Fanta, £7.50 :o All games should be played in Belfast, just for the prices.
One way traffic at the minute. Antrim not competing at midfield. Dooher just scored. Game over.
Antrim 0-04 Tyrone 1-06
Dooher point for tyrone, and McGourtey for Antrim
27 minutes gone in the 1st half
Home time
Eoin Mulligan scores a fantastic goal for Tyrone
Antrim 0-04 Tyrone 2-06
Poordefending by Antrim but great goal from Mulligan.
2.06 to 0.04
Nice to see no handpassing / refereeing problems in this game.
Why is McEnaney the only referee in the country.
Good goal, game over. Tyrone not really even having to push themselves, Antrim handing it to them on a plate with mistake after mistake. Very disappointing contest.
Tyrone are playing well against a piss poor Antrim team.
Antrim are a lightweight team that lose the ball with ease.
Cunningham points for Antrim
Antrim 0-05 Tyrone 2-06
34 minutes gone in the 1st half
both teams seem to have the hand pass rule sorted compared to last week games
Half time at Casement Park
Antrim 0-05 Tyrone 2-06
Goals from Kevin Hughes and Eoin Mulligan.
O'Neill with 2 points, and C. Cavanagh, S. Cavanagh, Justin Mc Mahon, and Brian Dooher
Antrim scores from T. Mc Cann, P. Cunningham (2), Mc Cann and Mc Gourhety
Canavan on the beeb saying that there's trouble in the antrim camp over the return of K mc gourty this week. Whatever it is, they're sh!te at the minute
Cant complain much with that. Great stuff from the word go, Antrim have been poor but Tyrone have been hunting in packs and not giving them any great chance to get any way settled on the ball.
What a site it is to see your full back running through to take a score like Justin Mc Mahon did!
Derry fans must be excited. There next manager is tactically having a great game ::)
Quote from: jodyb on May 23, 2010, 04:42:35 PM
Canavan on the beeb saying that there's trouble in the antrim camp over the return of K mc gourty this week. Whatever it is, they're sh!te at the minute
They have been sh*te since the St Galls players returned.
Am at the game - did the replays show that as a square ball?
TBH, I hope that these rumours dont lead to another dark spell in Antrim football. Hopefully football will win out and they can sort these issues out!
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 23, 2010, 04:49:12 PM
Am at the game - did the replays show that as a square ball?
yes
yup...........square ball
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 23, 2010, 04:49:12 PM
Am at the game - did the replays show that as a square ball?
Yeah
Lads , thats a fair breeze Antrim are gonna be playing with. An early goal and ya never know 8)
Antrim v Tyrone
2nd half under way with a free scored by Sean Cavanagh, and one from play by K. Hughes.
Niblock gets one back for Antrim
Antrim 0-06 Tyrone 2-08
never mind ::)
O'Neill points for Tyrone,
Cunningham a free for Antrim
Antrim 0-07 Tyrone 2-09
Jordan points for Tyrone
Scullion points for Antrim
Mc Cann and Mc Gourthey score a point apiece for Antrim
Antrim 0-10 Tyrone 2-10
12 minutes gone in the 2nd half
Penrose scores a free for Tyrone
Antrim 0-10 Tyrone 2-11
Sean O'Neill and Peter Harte on for Dooher and Ryan Mc Meniman
Niblock hits the net for Antrim.
Antrim 1-10 Tyrone 2-11
55 minutes gone
Good finish, makes it a wee bit interesting. Antrim need to get the next two or three scores now.
another tyrone wide. followed by antrim point .tyrone visibly slowed down maybe took dooher off too soon
Cunningham hits his 5th point.
1 goal between the teams with 7 minutes left.
Tyrone point. Pat McEnaney. :D
Antrim 1-11 Tyrone 2-12
Penrose with another free
5 minutes left
Mc Gourthey with a point for Antrim
3 between them now with 4 minutes left
Sean Cavanagh scores a free.
4 between them now with 2 minutes of normal time left
A lot of inexperience introduced by Harte , all at the same time, suprised
Tommy Mc Guigan with a good point from play.
5 between them with a minute left.
Mc Gourthey points for Antrim 2 minutes into injury time
Full time score:
Antrim 1-13 Tyrone 2-14
Quote from: give her dixie on May 23, 2010, 05:31:37 PM
Full time score:
Antrim 1-13 Tyrone 2-14
Thanks for the updates Dixie et all.
The better performance of the ref today was noticed and helped the gameas a spectacle. Suppose it couldn't have got much worse after last Sunday.
Joe talkin sh!te as usual :-[
Tyrone's Justin McMahon is the BBC man of the match
Almost a repeat of last years ulster final, will be interesting to see how Antrim will fare in the qualifiers & it's Armagh or Tyrone for ulster again this year for the 12th time in a row
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
Almost a repeat of last years ulster final, will be interesting to see how Antrim will fare in the qualifiers & it's Armagh or Tyrone for ulster again this year for the 12th time in a row
Why, do you think Antrim were the biggest threat to break that hold?
Quote from: jodyb on May 23, 2010, 05:35:57 PM
Joe talkin sh!te as usual :-[
Brolly? What's his verdict.
Colm Cavanagh was superb first half and Kevin Hughes looked very fit throughout. O'Neill hit some trademark ridiculous scores.
Kevin Niblock must have been close to man of the match.
Better performance from Antrim second half, Kevin Mc Gourty changed things round the middle when he came on.
Thought Mickey had made the changes a little early but job done and a few things that can be improved on. Heat must have been playing a part today?
Justin Mc Mahon deserved MOTM
Quote from: Schkite on May 23, 2010, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
Almost a repeat of last years ulster final, will be interesting to see how Antrim will fare in the qualifiers & it's Armagh or Tyrone for ulster again this year for the 12th time in a row
Why, do you think Antrim were the biggest threat to break that hold?
No but I'm not sure who would be the biggest threat Donegal maybe?
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 23, 2010, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
Almost a repeat of last years ulster final, will be interesting to see how Antrim will fare in the qualifiers & it's Armagh or Tyrone for ulster again this year for the 12th time in a row
Why, do you think Antrim were the biggest threat to break that hold?
No but I'm not sure who would be the biggest threat Donegal maybe?
Doubtful. Asuming we get past Down, we could beat one of them, but putting two such performances together is always a step too far for Donegal!
Tyrone or Armagh again, for certain.
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
Almost a repeat of last years ulster final, will be interesting to see how Antrim will fare in the qualifiers & it's Armagh or Tyrone for ulster again this year for the 12th time in a row
Disagree. However I dont think Tyrone will win it. They looked tired in the second half. If they played a team that could play the blanket defence in the second half today, they would have found it extremerly difficult to register scores. Dooher should now be used as an impact sub for Tyrone, he really didnt look that good today. If Antrim played in the first half instead of being a walk over it would have been hell of a lot tighter contest.
If Armagh beat Monagha, there will definitely be a new Ulster champion this year.
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 23, 2010, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
Almost a repeat of last years ulster final, will be interesting to see how Antrim will fare in the qualifiers & it's Armagh or Tyrone for ulster again this year for the 12th time in a row
Why, do you think Antrim were the biggest threat to break that hold?
No but I'm not sure who would be the biggest threat Donegal maybe?
I don't think there's much between Down, Monaghan, Donegal and Armagh, Monaghan maybe the pick of that bunch?
Youd have to question Antrims mentality after that. Any team that voluntarly go 6-9 pts(imo they didnt have the bottle to go for it thats why it had challenge match intensity) down and then only start playing are cowards, show some courage. They only started playing when the game was lost. Id agree with Brolly too, near the end they had a few overlaps for goal chances and tapped over the bar, total cop out, as brolly said you may aswell wave the white flag.
The defending by antrim in the 1st half was a mess, the amount of times the defenders coming out with the ball ran into tackles and got dispossed was beyond a joke, people going on about mulligans goal, i thought the 2 antrim defenders handed it to him on gold platter but credit him for the finish.
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 23, 2010, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: jodyb on May 23, 2010, 05:35:57 PM
Joe talkin sh!te as usual :-[
Brolly? What's his verdict.
Colm Cavanagh was superb first half and Kevin Hughes looked very fit throughout. O'Neill hit some trademark ridiculous scores.
Kevin Niblock must have been close to man of the match.
In fairness his analysis was fair enough. Reflecting a lot of whats already being said here bout Tyrone slowing up in second half, but stayin in control. But my real issue is that he never uses 1 word when 20 will do. He waffles on bout crossing swords and prowess and swagger, when he could just analyse the fckin game.
Quote from: Bogball XV on May 23, 2010, 06:04:26 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 23, 2010, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: ross4life on May 23, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
Almost a repeat of last years ulster final, will be interesting to see how Antrim will fare in the qualifiers & it's Armagh or Tyrone for ulster again this year for the 12th time in a row
Why, do you think Antrim were the biggest threat to break that hold?
No but I'm not sure who would be the biggest threat Donegal maybe?
I don't think there's much between Down, Monaghan, Donegal and Armagh, Monaghan maybe the pick of that bunch?
I'd go along with that. If Monaghan dirty it up, as i would expect them to, and beat Armagh, they could well win ulster. I think Antrim were overawed again in the first 20 mins of 1st half today. Nobody in ulster overawe monaghan. They'll niggle the fck out of any of them.
Did Joe Brolly have a freudian slip when he said that Tyrone had neutered Paddy Cunningham!? Maybe he meant neutralised...
Probably not.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 23, 2010, 06:05:36 PM
Youd have to question Antrims mentality after that. Any team that voluntarly go 6-9 pts(imo they didnt have the bottle to go for it thats why it had challenge match intensity) down and then only start playing are cowards, show some courage. They only started playing when the game was lost. Id agree with Brolly too, near the end they had a few overlaps for goal chances and tapped over the bar, total cop out, as brolly said you may aswell wave the white flag.
The defending by antrim in the 1st half was a mess, the amount of times the defenders coming out with the ball ran into tackles and got dispossed was beyond a joke, people going on about mulligans goal, i thought the 2 antrim defenders handed it to him on gold platter but credit him for the finish.
Sligonian I know you shoot from the hip - but go and have a think about the stupidity and insulting nature of this post.
Spillance says that Pat Mc Enaney threw away the rule book and used "common sense" throughout.
One of the greatest diseases in the game is where the referee tries to make a game of it if one team gets well ahead, so the ref brings the other team back into it by giving soft frees or dissallowing another goal for the team that is in the ascendancy.
Croke Park don't want common sense referees so Mc Enaney won't be getting any big games this year. Step aside Pat.
He did seem to give a lot of soft ones to Antrim in the second half.
Quote from: orangeman on May 23, 2010, 06:30:40 PM
Spillance says that Pat Mc Enaney threw away the rule book and used "common sense" throughout.
One of the greatest diseases in the game is where the referee tries to make a game of it if one team gets well ahead, so the ref brings the other team back into it by giving soft frees or dissallowing another goal for the team that is in the ascendancy.
Croke Park don't want common sense referees so Mc Enaney won't be getting any big games this year. Step aside Pat.
Not sure if you're commending Pat or castigating him here OM. Which is it?
BTW, were you not in Casement today? ???
Quote from: jodyb on May 23, 2010, 06:44:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 23, 2010, 06:30:40 PM
Spillance says that Pat Mc Enaney threw away the rule book and used "common sense" throughout.
One of the greatest diseases in the game is where the referee tries to make a game of it if one team gets well ahead, so the ref brings the other team back into it by giving soft frees or dissallowing another goal for the team that is in the ascendancy.
Croke Park don't want common sense referees so Mc Enaney won't be getting any big games this year. Step aside Pat.
Not sure if you're commending Pat or castigating him here OM. Which is it?
BTW, were you not in Casement today? ???
I was indeed. Thanks to a great road newtork, I'm home in good time.
Praising him for using common sense but being critical of his attempt to make a game of it.
It's difficult for players when refs one day apply the rules and a different ref on another day doesn't apply the rules.
OM, he correctly ruled out Sean Cavanaghs goal though. McEneaney was very good today. If every game was refereed like that then we would have no issues with referee.
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 23, 2010, 07:25:56 PM
OM, he correctly ruled out Sean Cavanaghs goal though. McEneaney was very good today. If every game was refereed like that then we would have no issues with referee.
Croke Park don't want refs who use their own set of rules and apply common sense.
Brolly and O'Rourke said as much.
I'll be watching the replay tonight. From what I could see the goal that never was before half time should have stood.
Fair play to Antrim to at least making a contest of it. Petey Harte could've finished it in the second half if he hadn't passed it off. Tommy scored a beaut too when he came on, not to mention the trademark SON specials.
Joe McMahon played magnificant in the half back carrying the thing forward, my MOTM. Covered up Davey Harte's invisibility. DH's days in Tyrone's starting 15 are coming to an end. MH will start him til the bitter end though. Ricey also did well at CHB, still playing with incredible pace for runs.
Antrim were always gonna have a purple patch, and Tyrone weathered it. Though with some improved shot selection, they would have finished the game off much sooner.
Just another point about the first half. Antrim looked incredibly inexperienced and half asleep for most of the 1st half. Tyrone were able to catch them off guard, steal ball, close them down in defence.
Kevin Niblock had some game for Antrim. Good player.
Pat mcEnaney has never been a friend to Tyrone. Tried to take bad look of Antrim and gave them a route back into the game.
Quote from: orangeman on May 23, 2010, 07:54:13 PM
Kevin Niblock had some game for Antrim. Good player.
Agreed.. Deceptively fast and skillful.
Referee done very well and think unfair to accuse him of bias towards Antrim. They seemed to be able to hold onto possession that bit better in second half and he correctly awarded Tyrone their frees when due, and think it was O Neill he awarded a 21 yard free for off the ball antics where a weaker home town ref wouldnt have bothered.
2 Mc Gourtys done rightly when they came in altho CJ missed a couple in last twenty, and Kevin still likes to act the wag.
The bearded will be happy enough id imagine. Job done and plenty of work to do!
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on May 23, 2010, 08:11:28 PM
Just watched that again - never a square ball from Sean Og
Well had the radio at the game and McGrath said it was never Square ball either, but will see in just over an hour's time what the craic was. I've a feeling Pat kept Antrim in the game. Still think he ref'd the game well. As good as there is.
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 23, 2010, 07:25:56 PM
McEneaney was very good today. If every game was refereed like that then we would have no issues with referee.
Would that be the opinion of most Tyronies?
He is not as tolerant as other refs of Tyrone defending. He seemed to give the benefit of doubt to the player who was surrounded.
Not much of a test for Tyrone. Antrim got close without breaking their balls to do so. And when they got close, the pulses were never racing, either with the crowd or the players.
Jerome's work - http://vimeo.com/11968837
Very disappointed with Antrim. Stood off Tyrone for the second year running and admired their build up play. Some of Tyrone's scores in the first half came from a short pass from McConnell and then easily moved up the field without a shoulder in anger. Basic handling errors of Antrim yore returned.
When they did decide to play, they had Tyrone slightly rope-a-doping but the gap was too wide on the scoreboard to keep the shoe to the burd, especially in that heat. Serious heat.
Impressive performances from both McMahons, Colm in the first half, Stevie in the first 20 mins and Hughes. Sean, Mugsy, Ricey and Penrose chipped in at crucial times.
Kevin McGourty made a difference and if things had been closer it could've been a masterstroke by Baker.
Not long back.
Good day at the office. A comfortable enough win in the end but still plenty to work on. F**k that was one scorcher of a day, to make matters worse they ran out of choc ices before the game even started!
Couple of spectacular SoN scores and a brilliant goal from Mugsy were great to see. Fair play to Antrim for making a match of it but Tyrone always seemed to find their scores a lot easier. Not many mentioning K Hughes' performance which I thought was very good, had his shooting boots on and was available in forward positions right the way through the game. As someone mentioned earlier Davy Harte hardly touched leather. Was this a game that by-passed him or is his form starting to turn?
A quick mention for the two corners backs. Both Cappagh men had excellent games, tigerish tackling meant their men barely had room to fart never mind score in the 1st half. Loosened a bit in 2nd half but in those conditions it would be impossible to keep it going for 70 mins.
Obviously not a strict drinking ban enforced in the Tyrone camp with Hub, Mugsy and a few other enjoying a pint with the fans outside Biddy's after the game with Mickey Harte across the street. Good to see.
Anyway, plenty of work left for 19th June and hopefully we'll have a long summer ahead of us.
Antrim manager Liam Bradley described Pat McEneaney's standard of refereeing "disgraceful" after the 2-14 to 1-13 defeat by Tyrone in the Ulster SFC.
"There were plenty of positives but one big negative - Tyrone's second goal, it was definitely a free-out," he said.
"We were back in it in the last few minutes and the last two frees they got were disgraceful.
"The lads tried hard and we came back well in the second half but we were beaten by the better team."
Bradley believes McEneaney's decision to allow Owen Mulligan's goal was crucial to the outcome of the quarter-final at Casement Park.
"It's a big talking point because it came at a crucial stage," he added.
"We would have been quite happy going in four points down at half-time but that turned it into a seven-point deficit and it was going to hard coming back from that.
"We don't want to known as gallant losers - we feel that we are a good side and we are going places and hopefully after this game people will realise that."
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte was relieved after the victory and he praised the Saffrons display.
"We had a very good first half, we got a decent lead and we should have been able to build on it," said Harte.
"Antrim impressed me in the second half and we were hanging on by our fingertips at the end of the game.
"A lot of credit must go to Antrim - they have been making statements of their ambition to going higher and they made a big statement in this game."
"I am sure no-one will want to draw them in the qualifiers."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8699670.stm
Quote from: ONeill on May 23, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
Antrim manager Liam Bradley described Pat McEneaney's standard of refereeing "disgraceful" after the 2-14 to 1-13 defeat by Tyrone in the Ulster SFC.
"There were plenty of positives but one big negative - Tyrone's second goal, it was definitely a free-out," he said.
"We were back in it in the last few minutes and the last two frees they got were disgraceful.
"The lads tried hard and we came back well in the second half but we were beaten by the better team."
Bradley believes McEneaney's decision to allow Owen Mulligan's goal was crucial to the outcome of the quarter-final at Casement Park.
"It's a big talking point because it came at a crucial stage," he added.
"We would have been quite happy going in four points down at half-time but that turned it into a seven-point deficit and it was going to hard coming back from that.
"We don't want to known as gallant losers - we feel that we are a good side and we are going places and hopefully after this game people will realise that."
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte was relieved after the victory and he praised the Saffrons display.
"We had a very good first half, we got a decent lead and we should have been able to build on it," said Harte.
"Antrim impressed me in the second half and we were hanging on by our fingertips at the end of the game.
"A lot of credit must go to Antrim - they have been making statements of their ambition to going higher and they made a big statement in this game."
"I am sure no-one will want to draw them in the qualifiers."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8699670.stm
What is Baker chatting about? Mugsy winning possesion of Brady? Check out Jerome's video which clearly shows an excellent steal, no foul.
Also poor poor defending. Aaron Douglas almost invited him to have a go at goal.
fst off Orangeman, no way did Pat give Antrim easy frees, thats just bullshite. game was over at halftime and as i said to the lads at the game, ths is a repeat of the Ulster final, thought Kevin Niblock was man of the match and had we belived in ourselves more we could have done better. Brady was dispossesed fairly i thought for Mugsy's goal.
as someone said (O'Neill) we give them too much respect again. i'm glad the game was played with a bit more flare that the last game and we came out in big numbers to watch it.
oh side note, i thought after his irish news interview, Scullion was on the mark ::)
There was a quare difference between the movement of the movement of the Tyrone full forwards and the Antrim full forwards. Too often in the first half Antrim tried to walk the ball through midfield and the half forward line, only to meet the a white&red wall.
Great to see the revival in he second half, but sure it was all to late then.
K McGourty is a 27 year-old student. Whats a 27 year-old student?
Quote from: Orior on May 23, 2010, 09:22:57 PM
There was a quare difference between the movement of the movement of the Tyrone full forwards and the Antrim full forwards. Too often in the first half Antrim tried to walk the ball through midfield and the half forward line, only to meet the a white&red wall.
Great to see the revival in he second half, but sure it was all to late then.
K McGourty is a 27 year-old student. Whats a 27 year-old student?
A dosser
McGourty walked away from Antrim a couple of years ago - a chance encounted in a Celtic Park pisser (i kid you not0 got him re-instated...comes on in the 2nd half today, and makes no real impact...what signal does that send to all those player swho have been training their holes off all year, and not spitting the dummy out once...Bradley let himself down badly today
Quote from: Orior on May 23, 2010, 09:22:57 PM
There was a quare difference between the movement of the movement of the Tyrone full forwards and the Antrim full forwards. Too often in the first half Antrim tried to walk the ball through midfield and the half forward line, only to meet the a white&red wall.
Great to see the revival in he second half, but sure it was all to late then.
K McGourty is a 27 year-old student. Whats a 27 year-old student?
a tool
Quote from: Orior on May 23, 2010, 09:22:57 PM
K McGourty is a 27 year-old student. Whats a 27 year-old student?
Mature student i guess
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 23, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
McGourty walked away from Antrim a couple of years ago - a chance encounted in a Celtic Park pisser (i kid you not0 got him re-instated...comes on in the 2nd half today, and makes no real impact...what signal does that send to all those player swho have been training their holes off all year, and not spitting the dummy out once...Bradley let himself down badly today
What game were you watching?
McGourty walked away from Antrim a couple of years ago - a chance encounter in a Celtic Park pisser (i kid you not) got him re-instated...comes on in the 2nd half today, and makes no real impact...what signal does that send to all those player swho have been training their holes off all year, and not spitting the dummy out once...Bradley let himself down badly today ...sorry about the typos
Quote from: Puckoon on May 23, 2010, 09:28:56 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 23, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
McGourty walked away from Antrim a couple of years ago - a chance encounted in a Celtic Park pisser (i kid you not0 got him re-instated...comes on in the 2nd half today, and makes no real impact...what signal does that send to all those player swho have been training their holes off all year, and not spitting the dummy out once...Bradley let himself down badly today
What game were you watching?
so that was impact then??FFS
Good to have the championship back. Great day and good atmosphere and colour at Casement. Can't see why anyone has any issues with Casement as a venue, its as good as any others out there and the pitch is superb. Is the planned development still for going ahead?
Anyway on to the game. Good victory for Tyrone, never looked in trouble and was more or less over at half time. Great performances from Justy, Ricey, Hub, Colm Cav, Dooher, Joey and O'Neill. Hub would have edged it for me for man of the match, ran out of steam in last 15 minutes or so, but not surprised such was the ground he covered and the roasting hot day. Disappointed Antrim didn't make more of a game of it in the first half, they seemed to finish with the best team, the McGourty's made a big difference.
He came on and stuck one of the Tyrone boys on their arse. He caught 3 or 4 of the next 4 or 5 kickouts. He wanted possession, he took it drove with it, and it was no coinkydink that the antrim "turnaround" co-incided with his introduction.
If Kevin McGourty got his head right in terms of discipline and "the team" antrim would be in a much better place than they are today.
McGourty did ok but the bar was pretty low from the first half, but I have a feeling his impact will be overstated. He was on the ball a lot but his distribution with the foot isn't great. I take it when Brolly talked of Antrim players taking the easy points when they needed a goal he was referring to CJ, he got the ball about ten yards out and instead of taking on his man he just clipped it over when a goal was needed.
Cassidy is such a loss...
McGourty came on when Antrim were just getting their tails up, so that may lead to his influence being overstated. Saying that he did fairly well, made his presence felt anyway which is more than could be said for the majority of the starting 15.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 23, 2010, 09:03:47 PM
Not long back.
Good day at the office. A comfortable enough win in the end but still plenty to work on. F**k that was one scorcher of a day, to make matters worse they ran out of choc ices before the game even started!
Couple of spectacular SoN scores and a brilliant goal from Mugsy were great to see. Fair play to Antrim for making a match of it but Tyrone always seemed to find their scores a lot easier. Not many mentioning K Hughes' performance which I thought was very good, had his shooting boots on and was available in forward positions right the way through the game. As someone mentioned earlier Davy Harte hardly touched leather. Was this a game that by-passed him or is his form starting to turn?
A quick mention for the two corners backs. Both Cappagh men had excellent games, tigerish tackling meant their men barely had room to fart never mind score in the 1st half. Loosened a bit in 2nd half but in those conditions it would be impossible to keep it going for 70 mins.
Obviously not a strict drinking ban enforced in the Tyrone camp with Hub, Mugsy and a few other enjoying a pint with the fans outside Biddy's after the game with Mickey Harte across the street. Good to see.
Anyway, plenty of work left for 19th June and hopefully we'll have a long summer ahead of us.
Fair play to tyrone for letting the plaeyrs enjoy a bit of grog with the fans after the game, that always happens with premiership players. :P
Until they start playing for the full 70 mins we won't know.
Quote from: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 09:42:00 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 23, 2010, 09:37:15 PM
McGourty did ok but the bar was pretty low from the first half, but I have a feeling his impact will be overstated. He was on the ball a lot but his distribution with the foot isn't great. I take it when Brolly talked of Antrim players taking the easy points when they needed a goal he was referring to CJ, he got the ball about ten yards out and instead of taking on his man he just clipped it over when a goal was needed.
Yeah, that stuck out for me. We can't seem to go in and take a goal.
Funny though that CJ had a rattle at the net and was blocked in the club final. People on here said he was being greedy looking for the net. Ya can't do right.....
But yes, we can't make goal chances.
Without doubt he should have went to shoot, soloed it, watched the Tyrone defender dive to the floor (as Mulligan did for his goal) then buried it. This going for points when a goal is half on and you need a goal is useless. It was goal or nothin at that stage.
What Sligonian said was totally true, its easy to play well when the games over and youve nothin to lose with no mission of coming back. It shows no guts not going for the game when its nil all and the games there to be won
Gutted again that watched us lose a game giving up shite soft goals and the game being over as a contest after 15 mins.
McEnaney also gave Tyrone a couple of soft frees at the end a la Tullamore last year when the Gooch was given 6 frees for being the Gooch
Antrim need to start well, chasing a game is hard and we are not good at it. Tyrone maybe thought this was in the bag and played below par after their second point on the re-start.
or! Antrim started to believe and applied pressure and Tyrone came up short with answers to stop us!!
either way i was happy with the second half response and disappointed with the fact we could have played better.
Baker said on The Sunday Game interview that a draw maybe would have been a fair result :D
How does Oisin McConville get punditry work? Has there ever been a more boring monotone voice?
He's like a broken fridge.
and the high lites were sh1t too
didnt show stevies first point or the square ball
Quote from: Cde on May 23, 2010, 10:18:34 PM
and the high lites were sh1t too
didnt show stevies first point or the square ball
i was standing behind the goal and it was a square ball all day, called it as the ball hung in the air.
Quote from: Cde on May 23, 2010, 10:18:34 PM
and the high lites were sh1t too
didnt show stevies first point or the square ball
Was gonna say that. Two main reasons I was watching. Did they even show his second half one?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:20:31 PM
Quote from: Cde on May 23, 2010, 10:18:34 PM
and the high lites were sh1t too
didnt show stevies first point or the square ball
i was standing behind the goal and it was a square ball all day, called it as the ball hung in the air.
would still have liked to see it
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 23, 2010, 10:17:11 PM
How does Oisin McConville get punditry work? Has there ever been a more boring monotone voice?
He's like a broken fridge.
Awful
Quote from: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 10:02:10 PM
Just saw Mulligan's goal again. Never a foul. Questions have to be asked of Brady.
Brady had a bad day.
Were you in the bowling club? I watched Falls play Ballywalter. Sexy ladies on both teams.
From a neutral perspective, thought Kevin Mc Gourty did well when he came on with the exception of one poor kick pass straight to a Tyrone defender. The personal abuse on here is unwarranted!
Job done. Tyrone blow Antrim out of the park, take the foot off the gas, let Antrim back to 3 points and then lift a gear and make it safe. Like a fisherman playing a fish on a quiet day. Tyrone look good but have work to do yet as they will come up against much much better opposition soon.
Baker thinks it should have been a draw :D :D How does he get a job in Football :D
Thought Pat did a good enough job.
Quote from: Minder on May 23, 2010, 09:58:53 PM
Until they start playing for the full 70 mins we won't know.
Antrim or Tyrone? ;). Plenty of positives for Tyrone but a little worrying that they missed some great chances to kill Antrim off and ended up in a close game in the final 15 when it should have been all over by then. Antrim deserve credit for coming back into but they shouldnt have been given the chance to do so. The team looked a lot better than in the league though and lots to build on. Id be a bit concerned still about the lack of a playmaker to knit it all together, somebody in the role of Brian McGuigan in 2003 and 2005 and Colm McCullagh in 2008. Tyrone missed that last summer and its still to be addressed. Nothing wrong with Mugsy's goal at all and Bradley is making a fool of himself in suggesting the ref was a factor in his teams defeat.
walked past Rossa today Hardstation with my wee bro and they had a barbecue blazing away. seemed good craic. our club was grand out on the balcony with plenty of magners. bit of banter and the usual craic. enjoyed a home game for a change.
£13 quid in so me and wee mackers said look heres £20 will that do? no problem :P
Quote from: dodgy umpire on May 23, 2010, 10:36:32 PM
From a neutral perspective, thought Kevin Mc Gourty did well when he came on with the exception of one poor kick pass straight to a Tyrone defender. The personal abuse on here is unwarranted!
Kevin was unavailable for the first half as he was out posting notes on car windscreens about FF setting up in the north.
Quote from: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Gold on May 23, 2010, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 23, 2010, 10:17:11 PM
How does Oisin McConville get punditry work? Has there ever been a more boring monotone voice?
He's like a broken fridge.
Awful
Brutal.
Could you imagine an Cóilín Duffy interviewing Oisín?
Very dreary, even by Cross standards. But he's still better to listen to than bullshitters like Lyons and Flynn.
Quote from: Puckoon on May 23, 2010, 09:33:55 PM
He came on and stuck one of the Tyrone boys on their arse. He caught 3 or 4 of the next 4 or 5 kickouts. He wanted possession, he took it drove with it, and it was no coinkydink that the antrim "turnaround" co-incided with his introduction.
If Kevin McGourty got his head right in terms of discipline and "the team" antrim would be in a much better place than they are today.
I think McGourty is a fine player - my point is that i think it shows a lack of respect and belief in his other players if Bradley has to call him back a week before the game, after a converstaion in a toilet in celtic park...he could have went looking for him before then...he just walked onto the team, in the same way that he was able to walk of it. he shows no respect for his county. I think his impact today is exagerated, in so far as Tyrone made a few wides and were playing within themselves in the second half
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
walked past Rossa today Hardstation with my wee bro and they had a barbecue blazing away. seemed good craic. our club was grand out on the balcony with plenty of magners. bit of banter and the usual craic. enjoyed a home game for a change.
£13 quid in so me and wee mackers said look heres £20 will that do? no problem :P
Good to know that when I pay the full entry fee that I'm subsidizing the Falls Road people :)
Quote from: Orior on May 23, 2010, 10:44:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
walked past Rossa today Hardstation with my wee bro and they had a barbecue blazing away. seemed good craic. our club was grand out on the balcony with plenty of magners. bit of banter and the usual craic. enjoyed a home game for a change.
£13 quid in so me and wee mackers said look heres £20 will that do? no problem :P
Good to know that when I pay the full entry fee that I'm subsidizing the Falls Road people :)
cheers
you can take the.......
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 23, 2010, 09:29:16 PM
McGourty walked away from Antrim a couple of years ago - a chance encounter in a Celtic Park pisser (i kid you not) got him re-instated...
What's the craic with this NBA? Did they just shake hands on it or what? :o
Quote...comes on in the 2nd half today, and makes no real impact...what signal does that send to all those player swho have been training their holes off all year, and not spitting the dummy out once...Bradley let himself down badly today ...sorry about the typos
Huh? OK, so you hate KMcG, that's obvious, but you just make yourself look ridiculous with that statement. Were you at the match? He broke a couple of balls from both Hub and Big Sean he had no right to get to and generally added a buzz of meaningful intent and effort which Antrim had been badly lacking. He definitely contributed greatly to Antrim's "revival" in my opinion.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 23, 2010, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 23, 2010, 09:29:16 PM
McGourty walked away from Antrim a couple of years ago - a chance encounter in a Celtic Park pisser (i kid you not) got him re-instated...
What's the craic with this NBA? Did they just shake hands on it or what? :o
Quote...comes on in the 2nd half today, and makes no real impact...what signal does that send to all those player swho have been training their holes off all year, and not spitting the dummy out once...Bradley let himself down badly today ...sorry about the typos
Huh? OK, so you hate KMcG, that's obvious, but you just make yourself look ridiculous with that statement. Were you at the match? He broke a couple of balls from both Hub and Big Sean he had no right to get to and generally added a buzz of meaningful intent and effort which Antrim had been badly lacking. He definitely contributed greatly to Antrim's "revival" in my opinion.
forget what he's saying, sure they were meant to win the campionship last year, couldn't win their semi when expected. expect the same this year. more bullshite
Quote from: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
walked past Rossa today Hardstation with my wee bro and they had a barbecue blazing away. seemed good craic. our club was grand out on the balcony with plenty of magners. bit of banter and the usual craic. enjoyed a home game for a change.
£13 quid in so me and wee mackers said look heres £20 will that do? no problem :P
You should have been in Fruithill. Some superb matches on the green and Fuzzman got a burger outside the Whitefort. One thing though - As I walked into Fruithill, I could see a Tyrone flag flying from the building. I found this strange and when I approached the front door, their Antrim flag was lying on the ground. Bad sign.
I paid £21.
I think it was those women bowlers from Ballywalter. Fair play to them anyway. I mean, Ballywalter is a black hole, yet they come along and play bowls while being watched by about 30 GAA men.
We were very poor in the 1st half. So many basic errors, so much lateral build-up, not enough tracking back to blanket defence (maybe this was due to counter attacks of Tyrone after turnovers). In reality we gifted Tyrone two goals. Why does it always take an 8 point deficit for us to start playing against Tyrone?
From an Antrim view encouraging signs were K McGourty, who I thought was very impressive as was CJ. Tbh don't think a goal was on in the instance talked about Tyrone had about three players inside the 13 metre line in front of goal. Loughrey in 2nd half, Scullion at times, Kevin O'Boyle, Niblock, Douglas and a couple of others showed well. Thought we really had Tyrone on the ropes in the second half in a game that (worryingly for Tyrone) should've been over long before mainly due to basic errors on our part. If Gallagher would've scored that point and the ref (gave some very soft frees to Tyrone) didn't give two soft frees right in front of the posts we could have had an upset. Strange game (not a lot of atmosphere or intensity), and frustrating as we don't know where we stand. Did Tyrone take their foot off the pedal? I thought we genuinely had them rattled in the 2nd half (unlike at any time during last years final).
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 23, 2010, 10:38:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 23, 2010, 09:58:53 PM
Until they start playing for the full 70 mins we won't know.
Antrim or Tyrone? ;). Plenty of positives for Tyrone but a little worrying that they missed some great chances to kill Antrim off and ended up in a close game in the final 15 when it should have been all over by then. Antrim deserve credit for coming back into but they shouldnt have been given the chance to do so. The team looked a lot better than in the league though and lots to build on. Id be a bit concerned still about the lack of a playmaker to knit it all together, somebody in the role of Brian McGuigan in 2003 and 2005 and Colm McCullagh in 2008. Tyrone missed that last summer and its still to be addressed. Nothing wrong with Mugsy's goal at all and Bradley is making a fool of himself in suggesting the ref was a factor in his teams defeat.
Tommy is more than capable of doing that.
Some positives from today for Tyrone. The 2 McMahons played well as did Carlin at the back. Half back line was dissappointing, I thought Kevin Niblock had Ricey in trouble and progressively more so as the game went on. Midfield was excellent in the first half although both faded in the second but the heat was ferocious. Up front O'Neill was sublime when hey got the ball to him. Dooher was dissappointing in my view. Talk all you want about flying in training, first in bleep tests etc its football these men are playing but that game will bring him on.
From an Antrim perspective the game was over before they had started. The ploy of McMahon dropping back had them bamboozled with Scullion all at sea and receiving no instruction from the line or his teammates. For all Baker's talk in the press before the game the Antrim team didn't exhibit the same exuberance and that was their downfall. Kevin Niblock is a fine player while the 2 McCgouty's certainly added to the Antrim team.
Quote from: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 09:55:05 PM
Here's a question.
Are Antrim that far off Tyrone?
OK, Tyrone are missing players and they won that handy enough today but....
You'd have to admit that the 2 goals were soft as fcuk and a number of Tyrone's points were gifted to them by the Antrim backs giving the ball away.
I think they are good bit off a Tyrone team that is in decline Hardstation, I'm afraid. Don't take false comfort from the scoreline or the hard luck stories. Tyrone had a goal disallowed (correctly in my view, but on another day...) and had several other goal chances they didn't feel the need to grab. Men against boys for the most part. Physically in particular. What happened all those weights Cunningham was supposed to be doing over the winter?
Disappointed that the soft goals pretty much killed the game off. They would both stupid mistakes and should firmly have been cut out.
We'd a few boys who weren't cutting it and when they went off second half and we'd closer to our best team on we competed much better.
We played a game with a midfielder at FF and a WHF at corner forward. CJ in there would have been better from the start but we just don't have a FF. Magill is a massive loss to that team. That leads to nowhere near enough cutting edge in the FF line. Why baker didn't have someone pushing up on Joe McMahon first half I don't know. He ran the game.
McGourty did well when he came on. He can always make space in club football but he didn't find it so handy today. No harm to Herron but he was well off the pace so McGourty coming on helped in this regard too.
I would say a few things about Tyrone. There were enough questions asked and found unanswered today to worry them. Someone says Ricey played well - I thought Niblock had a great game and made Ricey look to be on his last legs. Davy Harte also looked to be struggling and I'm not sure Hub will cut it against the better teams later on in the c'ship. That being said Stevie O'Neill is a class act, Mulligan will get better when he sorts his handling out, Jordan looks back to his best and I think Carlin is definitely worth his place in the team. (Mind you I think they should move him to RHB and drio Davy Harte)
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 23, 2010, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 09:55:05 PM
Here's a question.
Are Antrim that far off Tyrone?
OK, Tyrone are missing players and they won that handy enough today but....
You'd have to admit that the 2 goals were soft as fcuk and a number of Tyrone's points were gifted to them by the Antrim backs giving the ball away.
I think they are good bit off a Tyrone team that is in decline Hardstation, I'm afraid. Don't take false comfort from the scoreline or the hard luck stories. Tyrone had a goal disallowed (correctly in my view, but on another day...) and had several other goal chances they didn't feel the need to grab. Men against boys for the most part. Physically in particular. What happened all those weights Cunningham was supposed to be doing over the winter?
Funny that thought entered my head as well today a few times. There was plenty of media attention surrounding Cunningham over the last while suggesting how he was a better player this year with added muscle and pace but Carlin handled him very well. Carlin has been very good for Tyrone all year, not the biggest of players but very tenacious and fantastic at breaking out of defence.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:20:31 PM
Quote from: Cde on May 23, 2010, 10:18:34 PM
and the high lites were sh1t too
didnt show stevies first point or the square ball
i was standing behind the goal and it was a square ball all day, called it as the ball hung in the air.
McEneany would have blown it as soon as Hub contested the ball with Finucane then. No, Hub chased the ball in (it bounced outside the square afterall - what was Finucane doing?). The square ball was given (correctly) because Cavanagh was in the square when it came back in to him when he finished it to the net. It's clear on the TV replays.
Paddy Cunningham has no shortage of muscle about him loughshorelad
Cunningham did alright I thought. A lot of the time Tyrone had a man in front of that line and it was hard to get the ball into him.
Antrim were poor at the back. struggled at midfield until McGourty came on and they have no target man in FF which is a big downfall.
McLean might steady the FB line, McGourty in from the start, a bit of jiggery pokery in the HF line and that will help a lot. We have no FF and that's the long and the short of it though.
Team for next day:
Finucane(though he should be emptying boys)
Brady
McLean
O'Boyle
Scullion
Crozier
Kelly
McGourty
Gallagher
McCann
Niblock
Loughrey
McGourty
McCann
Cunningham
In fact even Kevin McGourty would be worth a punt in FF. We are badly lacking for not having a good target man in there.
Great day out. Always enjoy Casement. The mantovani was excellent, sunshine always brings the best out. Serious amounts of good looking blirge from both counties. The game was watched with johnston permanently at half mast. Joe McMahon dictated the play in the first half. Niblock was excellent. Plenty of food for thought. Tyrone need to improve. Hope Down beat Tir Connell and the semi final is in west belfast.
What was wrong with Sean Kelly?
Game was too much like last year for my liking, what happened to the ruthlessness that used to be there when Tyrone had a lead up?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 23, 2010, 11:46:53 PM
Paddy Cunningham has no shortage of muscle about him loughshorelad
Friend of yours Ardmhachaabu? He maybe has muscles for the beach but not for the football today. He was physically dominated and was literally shoved off the ball on a number of occasions. Back to the worst of his "can't win his own ball" reputation. Scored one great point early on when he danced away from his marker, but did he do anything else worthy of a marquee forward? It wasn't even as if he was double-teamed or had Tyrone's most experienced defenders on him.
Completely forgot it was World Turtle Day.
Baker doing well In his post match analysis to keep the Antrim heads up - ref was against us / shouldve been a draw / mugsys goal shouldve been a free out. Great gamesmanship and leaves the Antrim boys thinking they still are the dogs ball@x. now they will feel hard down by and prob give have a good qualifier rub.
While no-one will want to draw Antrim let's not overstate their game today.
Pat gave them a lot of soft frees throughout and maybe the couple at the end for Tyrone was a bit of guilt creeping in.
Let's also not forget Dooher and SON had no decent football leading up to this game and Colm Cav conspired to give the ball away several times under no pressure.
Tyrone and Antrim will both learn a lot from today
And you can bet yr bottom dollar Antrim and Derry will meet in the backdoor!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLposShsDIo
Eoin Mulligan interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onBxFkA_ETk
Pat McEneaney interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Su_cjoq3GE
Joe McMahon interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCUVKE1mYN0
And a bit of craic at Casement..................
All videoes by Jerome Quinn
A good win, in the circumstances. A massive step-up in application and performance levels from the Dublin debacle of a League capitulation.
No patronising comments on how Antrim could have and should have et cetera, though no team will fancy them in the Qualifiers.
A curate's egg of a performance (again) from Mc Enaney, though he's most definitely afflicted with the current in vogue HQ-inspired infection of blowing up for no discernible or consistent reason, other than to secure a positive tick on his assessor's tick-sheet. An attractive sporting spectacle it doth not make.
Good job the Mc Gourtys didn't start.
Heron was dreadful today and I don't know why he was left on so long (he wasn't even changed at halftime ???). It was a shame for him because he has been playing very well to date by all accounts. He was so off the pace, physically and mentally, I wouldn't be surprised to hear later this week that he has contracted the virus that was reported in the camp.
More worryingly for Antrim, Colin Brady continued his recent run of poor form. If you had told me that he was the 34 year old just back from a 9 month layoff and a catalogue of career ending injuries I would have nodded sympathetically. On another day he might have been lucky enough to get a free for Mulligan's tug on the front of his jersey on his way to the goal but that would have been on a technicality. Candy and babies spring to mind.
Even allowing for the genius that SON is, Douglas looked out of his depth. I never thought of SON as so big and strong, but he (and others) made Douglas look like one the of minors that played at 2 O'Clock. But even when he wasn't being tormented by SON, he was poor. Mulligan just sailed past him for the second goal.
Terry O'Neill might be a fine club player but he is not of county standard in my opinion. He was flattered last year by two games where he found himself the free "sweeper" in a defence swamped by poorly directed ball. He added nothing today.
Paddy Cunningham was disappointing. When the going gets tough it's your marquee forward that you look to. Maybe just an off day...
Mick McCann played in fits and starts. Tomas didn't really turn up.
Scullion did some really good things and some really bad things in equal measure. So no change there then ::)
Similarly for Crozier and CJ, although maybe not quite to the extremes of Scullion.
Kevin Brady is not (above Div 3) county class anymore and added no more than he has done the last half-dozen times he was brought on (i.e. very little). Time to blood one of the younger subs? And I don't mean Gerard O'Boyle who brought nothing to the mix.
The other 3 Kevins (Niblock, O'Boyle, and McGourty) were superb today. Gallagher put in a mountain of work, but didn't win enough ball at midfield.
Loughrey made a reasonable contribution despite himself and whatever self doubts have suddenly crept in. His shooting was poor and there was a number of times when he could have continued his searing runs to really pressure Tyrone but checked at the slightest resistance and laid it off, often backwards ???
McGreevy would have saved the first goal. Why do Gaelic keepers so often lead with their feet and make themselves as small as possible in one-on-one situations? ??? And it wouldn't even have got to a square ball...
What happened Kelly? The tackle was untidy but not particularly forceful - I've looked at the replay several times and Kelly seemed to "go with" the foul in the way that small men do when they feel a hand on their shoulder going past big awkward ones :D. He seemed to pull a hamstring judging by the location of the icepack?
Worryingly for Antrim, that's 4 defeats in the last 5 matches. Baker has disrupted his winning team with changes that have only worked 50%. I hope for Antrim's sake he changes the right 50% the next time...
Quote from: tyroneman on May 24, 2010, 12:17:45 AM
Baker doing well In his post match analysis to keep the Antrim heads up - ref was against us / shouldve been a draw / mugsys goal shouldve been a free out. Great gamesmanship and leaves the Antrim boys thinking they still are the dogs ball@x. now they will feel hard down by and prob give have a good qualifier rub.
While no-one will want to draw Antrim let's not overstate their game today.
Pat gave them a lot of soft frees throughout and maybe the couple at the end for Tyrone was a bit of guilt creeping in.
Let's also not forget Dooher and SON had no decent football leading up to this game and Colm Cav conspired to give the ball away several times under no pressure.
Tyrone and Antrim will both learn a lot from today
Not only did Tyrone score a point from what should have been a hop ball and was given as an advantage, Tyrone got 4 of the softest frees I've ever seen in my life at the end of the game. Moreover, whilst I think Tyrone's reputation for diving is way overstated, Colm Cavanagh was at it today almost everytime he was touched. To act as if McEnaney was good for Antrim today is a disgrace, he was by far favouring Tyrone and every decision went their way. Even at that, there only looked like one team winning.
From a red hand perspective Antrim had us rattled in the second half. Forget all this talk of taking the foot of the gas. Antrim were damn decent in the second half just a pity for them that they have to be 6 -8 points down before they start to play against Tyrone.
Relieved is my overiding emotion today.
Quote. Not only did Tyrone score a point from what should have been a hop ball and was given as an advantage, Tyrone got 4 of the softest frees I've ever seen in my life at the end of the game. Moreover, whilst I think Tyrone's reputation for diving is way overstated, Colm Cavanagh was at it today almost everytime he was touched. To act as if McEnaney was good for Antrim today is a disgrace, he was by far favouring Tyrone and every decision went their way. Even at that, there only looked like one team winning.
watch the bit where Cunningham falls down surrounded by players tackling him cleanly and gets a soft one in front of the posts. Watch how Antrim get a free for a Tyrone free being too short, despite this happening all game by both sides.
I agree the few frees at the end may have been soft but pat had guvn Antrim everything up to that point.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 24, 2010, 12:51:53 AM
A good win, in the circumstances. A massive step-up in application and performance levels from the Dublin debacle of a League capitulation.
No patronising comments on how Antrim could have and should have et cetera, though no team will fancy them in the Qualifiers.
A curate's egg of a performance (again) from Mc Enaney, though he's most definitely afflicted with the current in vogue HQ-inspired infection of blowing up for no discernible or consistent reason, other than to secure a positive tick on his assessor's tick-sheet. An attractive sporting spectacle it doth not make.
Good job the Mc Gourtys didn't start.
Not to take away from them but I think the late start might have been a benefit to them.
I thought Tyrone had a great game yesterday. They won the game in the first half and it was up to Baker to try to counter that. Fair play to him, he did make the right changes. I think Harte had enough faith in the boys he brought on to see the job through (handing out a few debuts in the meantime) and he prob had to replace a few due to the conditions on the day. One or two individual performances could be questioned but all in all the team performed well.
There was some great skill showen on the day too with Stephen O'Neill turning by bouncing the ball between his legs, Mulligans finish and Cavanagh steping over the ball then flicking it up while it ran away from him. It was a great game.
Quote from: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
walked past Rossa today Hardstation with my wee bro and they had a barbecue blazing away. seemed good craic. our club was grand out on the balcony with plenty of magners. bit of banter and the usual craic. enjoyed a home game for a change.
£13 quid in so me and wee mackers said look heres £20 will that do? no problem :P
You should have been in Fruithill. Some superb matches on the green and Fuzzman got a burger outside the Whitefort. One thing though - As I walked into Fruithill, I could see a Tyrone flag flying from the building. I found this strange and when I approached the front door, their Antrim flag was lying on the ground. Bad sign.
I paid £21.
I must a bate you in there then.. ;) you boys are as welcoming and friendly in colour as ye are on here i noticed :'(
Quote from: give her dixie on May 24, 2010, 12:39:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCUVKE1mYN0
And a bit of craic at Casement..................
All videoes by Jerome Quinn
WTF ???
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
walked past Rossa today Hardstation with my wee bro and they had a barbecue blazing away. seemed good craic. our club was grand out on the balcony with plenty of magners. bit of banter and the usual craic. enjoyed a home game for a change.
£13 quid in so me and wee mackers said look heres £20 will that do? no problem :P
How many people got stubs paying in? I got one, the oul fella didn't. The like of that above suggests the same old in the back pocket job.
If they weren't giving out stubs to everyone, how do they accurately count the attendance?
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 08:56:15 AM
How many people got stubs paying in? I got one, the oul fella didn't. The like of that above suggests the same old in the back pocket job.
If they weren't giving out stubs to everyone, how do they accurately count the attendance?
Would the turnstiles not be clocked? (U16s wouldn't get a stub because they don't pay but would still need to be counted for H & S?).
Fair enough point about the stubs or lack of for the punters who do pay.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 08:56:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
walked past Rossa today Hardstation with my wee bro and they had a barbecue blazing away. seemed good craic. our club was grand out on the balcony with plenty of magners. bit of banter and the usual craic. enjoyed a home game for a change.
£13 quid in so me and wee mackers said look heres £20 will that do? no problem :P
How many people got stubs paying in? I got one, the oul fella didn't. The like of that above suggests the same old in the back pocket job.
If they weren't giving out stubs to everyone, how do they accurately count the attendance?
Hold on one minute - do you expect them lads to come out on a scorching hot day and do the job for nothing ??? Away a that with ye !!! ;) :D
Have you no mercy at all ??? ;)
Very poor handling and distribution in the first half, Scullion and Herron the primary culprits. Kelly going odd was a blow as Loughery showed what he could do when making the run for the ball. Thought Douglas showed reasonably well after a dodgy start. McCann was wasted in full forward for too long with no ball coming in. CJ definitely should have started.
Whatever has been said about Kevin or the impact his return has made to cohesion and morale, he drastically improved the midfield when he came on.
There must be stubs. How else would McCausland claim back in expences?
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 08:56:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
walked past Rossa today Hardstation with my wee bro and they had a barbecue blazing away. seemed good craic. our club was grand out on the balcony with plenty of magners. bit of banter and the usual craic. enjoyed a home game for a change.
£13 quid in so me and wee mackers said look heres £20 will that do? no problem :P
How many people got stubs paying in? I got one, the oul fella didn't. The like of that above suggests the same old in the back pocket job.
If they weren't giving out stubs to everyone, how do they accurately count the attendance?
Official attendance was 18,100. There seemed to be a lot more than that though?
It's caption time.
Away you'se go lads - brighten up a Monday morning for us.
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
A number of points following yesterday;
1. Tyrone still possess the class to hurt teams; they won yesterday's game based on their first half onslaught and their new found ability to score goals.
2. However, their defence is penetrable and suspect. They leaked 1-12 against an Antrim side that didn't really start functioning until last 25 mins. They conceded 1-7 in second half. The Down and Donegal forward lines possess clinical marksmen and bar Justin McMahon and possibly Joe, what other defender would you trust against a top forward? Watching Meath last night, even though it was merely Offaly, if we ran into Meath in Croke Park, i would fear a repeat of 2007 when their forwards ran riot.
3. Tyrone can still produce the high octane, intense stuff, but cannot sustain it like before. The reality is that McMenamin and Davy Harte have lost their legs. It was sad to see Ricey substituted like that. Teams are going to start targeting him. Davy's time should finally be up, but who are the alternatives? He obviously doesn't trust sean o'neill defensively or either he sees him as an impact sub. Anyhow, he does possess the ability to break the line and penetrate. The jury is out on Jordan. He was fine yesterday, but i think Paul Kerrigan could expose him down the line.
4. They need to work out where to play Sean Cavanagh. The inside duo had the beating of their men, but all too often their was an ocean of space between the full and half forward .lines. They lacked a link man like Brian McGuigan to play on the 40. Sean tends to drift especially to the wings and then attempt to penetrate. I think we need a traditional 11 to facilitate s'on and mulligan, who looks lean and hungry.
5. I think Penrose is maturing into a fantastic player. He was underrated yesterday and played a dooher like role. the good thing is that he does this in tyrone's attacking half of the pitch.
6. I worry about our corner backs, who did fine yesterday. I worry further down the line. Both of them have to play alongside the forward and can't like the McMahons play in front due to their lack of height. When we meet Down or Donegal, this could be exposed.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 23, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
McGourty walked away from Antrim a couple of years ago - a chance encounted in a Celtic Park pisser (i kid you not0 got him re-instated...comes on in the 2nd half today, and makes no real impact...what signal does that send to all those player swho have been training their holes off all year, and not spitting the dummy out once...Bradley let himself down badly today
More shite from you. Kevin put a bit of steel in the Antrim team when it was badly needed. Bradley let himself down by not making the changes sooner, not by bringing Kevin back.
Some pictures from yesterday.
http://www.jamesdphotography.co.uk/
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 09:32:39 AM
It's caption time.
Away you'se go lads - brighten up a Monday morning for us.
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
Mickey Harte has a surprisingly strong handshake!
Quote from: Bensars on May 24, 2010, 09:38:42 AM
I believe ( used to be the case anyway ) that the proceeds from games in the north are liable for tax, however in the south it isnt the case ( may have changed since), hence the decision to have many games south of the border. But due to the large amount of investment in developing grounds some games now have to be played to justify such an investment. After the first round games, there wont be too many games north of the border. I would think that most attendances will be larger than the offical figures
VAT.
But the losses incurred at the Eglish roundabout a few years ago took care of that. On paper the Brit owe us money now !!!
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 09:32:39 AM
It's caption time.
Away you'se go lads - brighten up a Monday morning for us.
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
BAKER :Is that that f--ker Fergal Doherty that I see on the far side ?
MICKEY : I can't see that far Baker, is he a friend of yours ?
Was Nelson McCausland at the game?
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
[/quote]
Come with me ye boy ya till I give you six of the best
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2010, 01:24:33 AM
OverThePost, I have commented on Herron in every match I have seen this year, going back to Down in the McKenna Cup. About 7 matches, he got 1 thumbs up. This was coming. How this wasn't spotted is beyond me.
Well, then obviously I was wrong when I said "by all accounts" :)
Quote
I posted it loads of fecking times!
Maybe that was it - maybe I unconsciously dismissed them as the ravings of an obsessed lunatic ;D
I have only seen him against Louth and Fermanagh and thought he did OK. A good honest player who contributed more than Hasson and McKeever from last year combined. But I hear what you're saying and will bow to your wider experience and sufferance ;)
Quote
And I'd give score of the day to CJ for his outside of the boot effort which curled right over the middle. A thing of beauty. Although Stevie O'Neill kicked a couple of 'impossibles'.
Indeed. Although it probably sums CJ up. A city "dandy" who will occasionally dazzle for a middle ranking county but wouldn't cut it at the top table. I was in line with his shot and he used the outside of the boot and wind perfectly. But, popping the ball over from 35m at that angle with no pressure should be bread and butter for any self respecting county forward (and it could and would have been successfully executed by any county forward worth his salt - albeit with less style, and probably with a right foot). The point is he missed at least two other "bread and butter" scores when he was in positions favourable to his favoured left foot.
I saw Stephen O'Neill out on his far 65 tackling several times. I saw CJ doing his slow motion, head-rolling-to-exaggerate-the-effort-I'm-making, "sprint" to chase a Tyrone defender breaking up the field and still lose ground several times ::)
I also watched CJ pointing to where he wanted "his guys" to position themselves as he pursued a wayward pass over the sideline. If he had put more effort into sprinting instead of pointing he might have actually made the ball ;D What a feckin poser ::)
When Antrim were chasing the game towards the end and needed a goal he took the easy "glory" option of going for a point. The last one in particular with only minutes to go was a great chance spurned to his ego. If he had accelerated (does he do acceleration?) towards the goal he would have been through or fouled. Still at least his personal score tally will keep him and Brendan Crossan happy ;)
First off we were well beaten by a much better side. While the difference was 4 points at the end and that flattered Antrim a bit, Tyrone got six points from two individual mistakes (Herron letting the ball through his hands and Brady losing the ball to Mulligan) and were given the two softest frees in Ulster Championship history ;) from the 14 yard line near the end.
From an Antrim point of view, the biggest weakness (and there were many) was losing the ball in the tackle and on manys the occasion fumbling the ball when there was no one near them. We were a poor second in the physical battle. The defence was all over the shop in the first half whereas Tyrone's defence was solid for the first 55 mins at least.
Antrim - Ratings (this is only my personal opinion and all these players are ten times the footballer I ever was. No criticisms are personal and are based on what I saw yesterday and I haven't had time to watch the match back on telly. Who cares what I think anyway...someone once said "Opinions are like arseholes...everyone has one and they almost all stink")
1. John Finucane - Kick outs were OK but otherwise was glued to his goal line and poor under the dropping ball.
2. Colin Brady - Was our most consistent performer last year but worryingly patchy again
3. Aaron Douglas - I thought he actually did OK. He was on Stephen O'Neill FFS!! The whole match was encapsulated by Tyrone's first point when Douglas did a textbook job on pushing O'Neill wide and covering the pass out but O'Neill just knocked it over from an angle of 1 degree.
4. Kevin O'Boyle - Can hold his head up. Decided, or was told, to let Penrose go and was on the ball alot with some good link up play. Generally played quite well
5. Tony Scullion - As they say on MOTD - 2 good (followed by) 2 bad. Nice point from play but a curate's egg performance.
6. Justin Crozier...is not an inter county half forward. Made a good run in the second half an last year would have burst through and had a go at a score. This year checked his run and looked to off load...summed up Antrim's lack of confidence.
7. Sean Kelly - Usually oozes class but still seems to be off the pace
8. Brendan Herron - Nul points
9. Aodhan Gallaher - As always worked hard and is a good honest player
10. Terry O'Neill - See Justin Crozier
11. Kevon Niblock - Good performance. Came more into the game as Ricey tired and after he was subbed. Can will ball. FF next day??
12. James Loughrey - A very talented footballer but seems to be lacking in confidence??
13. Paddy Cunningham - Good when the had the ball in hand but lost the physical battle
14. Mick McCann - Was a bit isolated at FF
15. Tomas McCann - Never in it.
22. Kevin Brady - A couple of nice touches. Not really on long enough
24. CJ McGourty - Overall a good performace. One cracking point and the point at the end I didn't think there was a goal on. Had he gone for and missed it he probably would have got stick.
25. Gerard O'Boyle - Not really in it
29. Kevin McGourty - I thought he was very good
P McEneaney - What's all this ballix about him favouring Antrim. Tyrone got a point from a slide tackle by Dooher, Mulligan threw the ball to Hughes for the first goal. As soon as a Tyrone player went into contact when tackling they grabbed the Antrim players arm and held on. C Cavanagh and Jordan should both have been booked for the two biggest dives you'll see all year and a couple of saft frees to keep Tyrone 4 ahead
Plenty of questions for Antrim to answer for the next day, but they're a better team than they showed yesterday and lot of teams will want to avoid Antrim in the qualifiers (let's hope we can avoid Ulster teams). Just my 2c worth
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 09:32:39 AM
It's caption time.
Away you'se go lads - brighten up a Monday morning for us.
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
Antrim lose the physical battle on the sideline too
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Was Nelson McCausland at the game?
Yes - he was watching it from the police helicopter that annoyingly hovered over the ground all day. >:( ::) >:( >:(
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Was Nelson McCausland at the game?
Yes - he was watching it from the police helicopter that annoyingly hovered over the ground all day. >:( ::) >:( >:(
There must be some fuel tank in that machine, it wouldn't piss off!
Sky plussed the BBC coverage and watched a bit last night, Sidebottom was commentating on the match like it was the grand national :D
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Sky plussed the BBC coverage and watched a bit last night, Sidebottom was commentating on the match like it was the grand national :D
Do they show the championship on iplayer?
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2010, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Sky plussed the BBC coverage and watched a bit last night, Sidebottom was commentating on the match like it was the grand national :D
Do they show the championship on iplayer?
I would doubt it to be honest, the coverage ended abruptly yesterday and switched straight to the golf.
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 09:32:39 AM
It's caption time.
Away you'se go lads - brighten up a Monday morning for us.
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
Baker to his Mother: The big bad man bullied me and my friends on the playground today.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 10:44:30 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2010, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Sky plussed the BBC coverage and watched a bit last night, Sidebottom was commentating on the match like it was the grand national :D
Do they show the championship on iplayer?
I would doubt it to be honest, the coverage ended abruptly yesterday and switched straight to the golf.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sld95/The_Championship_2010_Antrim_v_Tyrone/
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2010, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Sky plussed the BBC coverage and watched a bit last night, Sidebottom was commentating on the match like it was the grand national :D
Do they show the championship on iplayer?
of course they do, check out this link...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sld95/The_Championship_2010_Antrim_v_Tyrone/
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 09:32:39 AM
It's caption time.
Away you'se go lads - brighten up a Monday morning for us.
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
Liam Bradley initializes the Mickey Harte Animatronic Mark II to take his place while he answers the call to return home by the Derry County Board Chairman
Quote from: Zapatista on May 24, 2010, 08:24:24 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 24, 2010, 12:51:53 AM
A good win, in the circumstances. A massive step-up in application and performance levels from the Dublin debacle of a League capitulation.
No patronising comments on how Antrim could have and should have et cetera, though no team will fancy them in the Qualifiers.
A curate's egg of a performance (again) from Mc Enaney, though he's most definitely afflicted with the current in vogue HQ-inspired infection of blowing up for no discernible or consistent reason, other than to secure a positive tick on his assessor's tick-sheet. An attractive sporting spectacle it doth not make.
Good job the Mc Gourtys didn't start.
Not to take away from them but I think the late start might have been a benefit to them.
I thought Tyrone had a great game yesterday. They won the game in the first half and it was up to Baker to try to counter that. Fair play to him, he did make the right changes. I think Harte had enough faith in the boys he brought on to see the job through (handing out a few debuts in the meantime) and he prob had to replace a few due to the conditions on the day. One or two individual performances could be questioned but all in all the team performed well.
There was some great skill showen on the day too with Stephen O'Neill turning by bouncing the ball between his legs, Mulligans finish and Kavanagh steping over the ball then flicking it up while it ran away from him. It was a great game.
That bit of skill by SON was class yesterday, as was Cavanaghs dummy. As someone else has mentioned Tyrone really need a playmaker in around the CHF position. Cavanagh was wasted there yesterday, I would rather see him coming through from the middle. Whats the latest with Colly McCullagh - is he injured or just out of favour as he would be a prime candidate for the play making role, orin saying that Peter Harte looks made for the position too, but maybe it would be too soon for him.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 10:11:42 AM
Antrim - Ratings (this is only my personal opinion and all these players are ten times the footballer I ever was. No criticisms are personal and are based on what I saw yesterday and I haven't had time to watch the match back on telly. Who cares what I think anyway...someone once said "Opinions are like arseholes...everyone has one and they almost all stink")
I care! <shucks> Good summary. I agree with most. Except maybe:
Quote
24. CJ McGourty - Overall a good performace. One cracking point and the poiint at the end I didn't think there was a goal on...
I would be interested to hear if you thought the same after you reviewed it on TV?
Quote
...Had he gone for it he probably would have got stick.
Not if he'd scored :D If he'd had missed, yes, the "CJ factor" would have kicked in and he would have got stick from some quarters but it wouldn't have been rational. That's the responsibility that goes with being a forward. No different than the difficult choices keepers have to make on dropping balls ;)
Cheers Doogie and AFS
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2010, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Was Nelson McCausland at the game?
Yes - he was watching it from the police helicopter that annoyingly hovered over the ground all day. >:( ::) >:( >:(
There must be some fuel tank in that machine, it wouldn't piss off!
Normally on a day like yesterday you would see trails of smoke from the mountains around Belfast. Did that copter suppress the fire-starting scum?
Quote from: Hereiam on May 24, 2010, 10:02:16 AM
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
[/quote]
Baker:" OK lads, I'll come clean. I use this moving cardboard cutout of Mickey Harte to motivate my team at half time. Worked last year, isn't that right mickey?"
Cardboard Mickey (Baker (through teeth)): "Yesh"
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 10:11:42 AM
Antrim - Ratings (this is only my personal opinion and all these players are ten times the footballer I ever was. No criticisms are personal and are based on what I saw yesterday and I haven't had time to watch the match back on telly. Who cares what I think anyway...someone once said "Opinions are like arseholes...everyone has one and they almost all stink")
I care! <shucks> Good summary. I agree with most. Except maybe:
Quote
24. CJ McGourty - Overall a good performace. One cracking point and the poiint at the end I didn't think there was a goal on...
I would be interested to hear if you thought the same after you reviewed it on TV?
Quote
...Had he gone for it he probably would have got stick.
Not if he'd scored :D If he'd had missed, yes, the "CJ factor" would have kicked in and he would have got stick from some quarters but it wouldn't have been rational. That's the responsibility that goes with being a forward. No different than the difficult choices keepers have to make on dropping balls ;)
Fixed that in my original post ;)...had a look at the 8 mins of highlights on the BBC website. Right enough there might have been more of a goal chance for CJ than it looked from where I was. Probably could have tried to lash it low across McConnell, and with the rueful shake of the head from CJ afterwards (again which I didn't see yesterday) he might have thought the same too!
I know the McGourtys divide opinion around the county but you have to be honest and say they were two of the better Antrim players yesterday (given an admittedly low base). Irish News gave Niblock MOTM.
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2010, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2010, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2010, 10:01:26 AM
Was Nelson McCausland at the game?
Yes - he was watching it from the police helicopter that annoyingly hovered over the ground all day. >:( ::) >:( >:(
There must be some fuel tank in that machine, it wouldn't piss off!
Normally on a day like yesterday you would see trails of smoke from the mountains around Belfast. Did that copter suppress the fire-starting scum?
PSNI helicopter was there for the POW picket. Apparently they had a banner behind the goals for a lock of minutes too but I never seen it. Was a pain in the ass alright.
Like Armagh last week it's difficult to assess Tyrone on that game. Down (provided they advance next week as I expect them to) and Monaghan will be a much sterner test for both counties.
Whoever suggested that if it's a Tyrone-Armagh final it should be played in Croker needs therapy. Half the population is struggling for work so catch a grip. I will never go to another Ulster final that is not played in Ulster.
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
Padre administers 'the cure' for lack of strategy.
"I don't accept money, but can I suggest a charity... Garvaghey <ahem>"
From the match yesterday, you could say very little bad about the McGourtys-they were great when they came on. Intensity shown by Tyrone in the first half was exceptional. They were first to almost every ball and if they weren't, their right on the borderline tenacious tackling seemed to ensure that they won it back. Looking back, Tyrone could have been totally out of reach by half time-opted for points when goals were possible.
Am surprised that Dooher didn't get a bigger mention-thought he was immense- on TV he was in the corner of the screen almost the whole way through the first half. Always seemed to be the second man for Antim to get through. Definitely has a settling effect on the team. Very impressed with penfold's tackling-could play in defence against a small nippy forward if they were stuck. Himself and Dooher unsung heroes. Ricey deadly in the first half
Antrim not going to be far away come August and Tyrone's first half display has been the best yet in the championship.
Watched a recording of the BBC coverage. Jarleth Burns really is a fool and wee Peter highlighted that fact a few times :D
QuoteWatched a recording of the BBC coverage. Jarleth Burns really is a fool and wee Peter highlighted that fact a few times
I squirmed at the bit when JB said they should pump high balls in to beat the Tyrone half back line and PC said it wouldn't work as they didnt have a big forward. JB then changed to say he meant pump them into the corners. wtf!?!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 12:03:14 PM
I know the McGourtys divide opinion around the county but you have to be honest and say they were two of the better Antrim players yesterday (given an admittedly low base). Irish News gave Niblock MOTM.
To be honest, even my own opinion is divided regarding the McGourty's ;D
Kevin was immense yesterday. It probably helped that he was left bubbling nicely on the bench for 40mins. You can't fault his effort and contribution for the 30mins he was on. He regularly punches above his weight in terms of the natural physical attributes he has been born with
when he puts his mind to it. And, hopefully some of the rashness and self-destructive tendencies he has exhibited in the past have been left behind.
CJ on the other hand is very individualistic and his undoubted talent is a bit hit and miss because it doesn't appear to come with the same drive or team ethic. I don't want to be too hard on the lad - and he may learn - so I'll leave it there. But suffice to say, would he feature with any of the top counties in the country? ...Or even Tyrone? ;D
There's more to being a top forward than having a sweet-and-sour left foot. The fact that there is a sizable opinion that he is a "must start" for Antrim (and I wouldn't disagree) says more about Antrim than CJ.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 12:03:14 PM
I know the McGourtys divide opinion around the county but you have to be honest and say they were two of the better Antrim players yesterday (given an admittedly low base). Irish News gave Niblock MOTM.
To be honest, even my own opinion is divided regarding the McGourty's ;D
Kevin was immense yesterday. It probably helped that he was left bubbling nicely on the bench for 40mins. You can't fault his effort and contribution for the 30mins he was on. He regularly punches above his weight in terms of the natural physical attributes he has been born with when he puts his mind to it. And, hopefully some of the rashness and self-destructive tendencies he has exhibited in the past have been left behind.
CJ on the other hand is very individualistic and his undoubted talent is a bit hit and miss because it doesn't appear to come with the same drive or team ethic. I don't want to be too hard on the lad - and he may learn - so I'll leave it there. But suffice to say, would he feature with any of the top counties in the country? ...Or even Tyrone? ;D
There's more to being a top forward than having a sweet-and-sour left foot. The fact that there is a sizable opinion that he is a "must start" for Antrim (and I wouldn't disagree) says more about Antrim than CJ.
Could not disagree with a word of this OTPAW....
As for the next day:
McGreevy
Brady
McClean
O'Boyle
Scullion
Crozier
Healy
M McCann
Gallagher
T McCann
Niblock/K McGourty
Loughrey
Cunningham
K McGourty/Niblock
CJ McGourty
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 12:23:15 PM
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/000351a2189r.jpg)
Liam "How's the stubble looking underneath my chin?"
Mickey "Not bad, but it will never be as nice as mines"
Quote from: Mickeys beard on May 24, 2010, 12:24:08 PM
...Looking back, Tyrone could have been totally out of reach by half time-opted for points when goals were possible.
+1
Quote
...Am surprised that Dooher didn't get a bigger mention-thought he was immense- on TV he was in the corner of the screen almost the whole way through the first half.
Watching it live I thought his contribution was more talismanic than real. Loughrey had him well marshalled and was still able to do his own thing. He got a bit more freedom when Scullion moved onto him for short periods.
He took his point well. There were better options available at the time - perhaps maybe even a goal chance? - but it was an important marker for himself and the team.
He was really struggling by the time he was taken off - which is not surprising given the heat and his long lay-off. He still has the vision and accuracy but only time - and not bleep tests - will tell whether he has the legs for a long summer.
Couple of interesting stats from 'enhance analysis' from the Irish News:
- Tyrone only dropped one ball short into keepers arms as opposed to 5 for Antrim.
- 64% of Antrims scores came from kick outs where as 68%
of Tyrones scores came from counter attacks.
- Both teams broke even on breaking ball, 20 breaks won each. However, Antrim won 5 clean catches compared to Tyrones 2 (but we are all aware that Tyrone rarely ever win the high fielding count).
- Turnover count was almost even with Antrim turning over 36 times and Tyrone 35.
- Finally, Tyrone fared marginally better in the shot effieciency stakes with 59% success rate compared to Antrims 56%.
All in all the game seemed to be pretty tight from the stats side but in reality Tyrone were always the superior team. Their ability to score clinical goals and to grab points here and there when Antrim looked like closing in always kept them in control.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on May 24, 2010, 12:24:08 PM
...Looking back, Tyrone could have been totally out of reach by half time-opted for points when goals were possible.
+1
Quote
...Am surprised that Dooher didn't get a bigger mention-thought he was immense- on TV he was in the corner of the screen almost the whole way through the first half.
Watching it live I thought his contribution was more talismanic than real. Loughrey had him well marshalled and was still able to do his own thing. He got a bit more freedom when Scullion moved onto him for short periods.
He took his point well. There were better options available at the time - perhaps maybe even a goal chance? - but it was an important marker for himself and the team.
He was really struggling by the time he was taken off - which is not surprising given the heat and his long lay-off. He still has the vision and accuracy but only time - and not bleep tests - will tell whether he has the legs for a long summer.
I noticed that they strapped a ice pack to Doohers knee when he came off and also strapped one to Riceys thigh
Antrim should never have got rid of... :D
(http://www.squareball.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/john-morrison.jpg)
Quick question about the new rules.
Antrim got a line ball in and around the 25min. Tony Scullion took it, had his foot/feet inside the sideline, and under the new shitty rules, the linesman immediately raised his flag (which I thought resulted in a hop ball, 13m from the sideline) Anyways, Tyrone ended up winning the line ball (A misplaced pass by Scullion), ricey broke up the field, played it to Dooher who scored.
Is this an example of Pat McE playing the advantage rule?
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on May 24, 2010, 12:24:08 PM
...Looking back, Tyrone could have been totally out of reach by half time-opted for points when goals were possible.
+1
Quote
...Am surprised that Dooher didn't get a bigger mention-thought he was immense- on TV he was in the corner of the screen almost the whole way through the first half.
Watching it live I thought his contribution was more talismanic than real. Loughrey had him well marshalled and was still able to do his own thing. He got a bit more freedom when Scullion moved onto him for short periods.
He took his point well. There were better options available at the time - perhaps maybe even a goal chance? - but it was an important marker for himself and the team.
He was really struggling by the time he was taken off - which is not surprising given the heat and his long lay-off. He still has the vision and accuracy but only time - and not bleep tests - will tell whether he has the legs for a long summer.
Cavanagh fisted point if the pressure was on could as easily be a goal-Dooher's point could have been a goal. Hub almost got another. Antrim had one chance and took it. It could very easily have been a rout.
I just feel that Dooher's main qualities lie off the ball and when he went off space started to appear around the middle and Antrim's half forward line. I suppose hard to see on TV.
Quote from: under the bar on May 24, 2010, 12:35:54 PM
QuoteWatched a recording of the BBC coverage. Jarleth Burns really is a fool and wee Peter highlighted that fact a few times
I squirmed at the bit when JB said they should pump high balls in to beat the Tyrone half back line and PC said it wouldn't work as they didnt have a big forward. JB then changed to say he meant pump them into the corners. wtf!?!
I have to admit that that would have been a logical decision in the first half. Antrim had plenty of possession but got frequently turned over in the Tyrone half back line which usually resulted in Tyrone score. On a few occasions Cunningham/McCann never moved which is fine if the ball is coming in but they offered few options (e.g. diagonal runs, runs into space etc.) resulting in their half forwards/backs holding possession and getting overturned. It was as plain as the nose on your face and naive on the part of Liam Bradley...
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 24, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Quick question about the new rules.
Antrim got a line ball in and around the 25min. Tony Scullion took it, had his foot/feet inside the sideline, and under the new shitty rules, the linesman immediately raised his flag (which I thought resulted in a hop ball, 13m from the sideline) Anyways, Tyrone ended up winning the line ball (A misplaced pass by Scullion), ricey broke up the field, played it to Dooher who scored.
Is this an example of Pat McE playing the advantage rule?
The linesman raised his flag, Pat didn't see it, then the linesman took his flag down.
So really that passage of play was due to the linesman...
Should have been a hop ball.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 24, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Quick question about the new rules.
Antrim got a line ball in and around the 25min. Tony Scullion took it, had his foot/feet inside the sideline, and under the new shitty rules, the linesman immediately raised his flag (which I thought resulted in a hop ball, 13m from the sideline) Anyways, Tyrone ended up winning the line ball (A misplaced pass by Scullion), ricey broke up the field, played it to Dooher who scored.
Is this an example of Pat McE playing the advantage rule?
Not sure the ref actually saw the linesman put up his flag. This happened just in front of me and I immediately noticed the linesman wave his flag but as soon as Tyrone won the ball back he put it down again. Technically I think play should have been stopped but I don't know anymore.
See the Irish News managed to dedicate the back page to Baker's sour grapes courtesy of Archer...
Watched the game back there, Mugsy's steal was legit, took it clean, Brady stumbled after losing the ball.
Bit perplexed at them giving Niblock MOTM when the rest of the team were rated so low, apart from CJ McGourty. Also don't agree that Davey Harte should be rated higher than Cathal McCarron.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 24, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Quick question about the new rules.
Antrim got a line ball in and around the 25min. Tony Scullion took it, had his foot/feet inside the sideline, and under the new shitty rules, the linesman immediately raised his flag (which I thought resulted in a hop ball, 13m from the sideline) Anyways, Tyrone ended up winning the line ball (A misplaced pass by Scullion), ricey broke up the field, played it to Dooher who scored.
Is this an example of Pat McE playing the advantage rule?
A hop ball...you cannot play advantage in this situation
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 02:16:43 PM
See the Irish News managed to dedicate the back page to Baker's sour grapes courtesy of Archer...
Watched the game back there, Mugsy's steal was legit, took it clean, Brady stumbled after losing the ball.
Bit perplexed at them giving Niblock MOTM when the rest of the team were rated so low, apart from CJ McGourty. Also don't agree that Davey Harte should be rated higher than Cathal McCarron.
I've no complaints about this goal, but he did pull Brady's shirt....technically a foul but I don't think McEneany could have seen it. How he missed Mulligan's throw for the first goal mind you... ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2010, 01:22:07 PM
Couple of interesting stats from 'enhance analysis' from the Irish News:
- Tyrone only dropped one ball short into keepers arms as opposed to 5 for Antrim.
- 64% of Antrims scores came from kick outs where as 68%
of Tyrones scores came from counter attacks.
- Both teams broke even on breaking ball, 20 breaks won each. However, Antrim won 5 clean catches compared to Tyrones 2 (but we are all aware that Tyrone rarely ever win the high fielding count).
- Turnover count was almost even with Antrim turning over 36 times and Tyrone 35.
- Finally, Tyrone fared marginally better in the shot effieciency stakes with 59% success rate compared to Antrims 56%.
All in all the game seemed to be pretty tight from the stats side but in reality Tyrone were always the superior team. Their ability to score clinical goals and to grab points here and there when Antrim looked like closing in always kept them in control.
Exactly. Proof that all this over-analysis of football is ballix!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 24, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Quick question about the new rules.
Antrim got a line ball in and around the 25min. Tony Scullion took it, had his foot/feet inside the sideline, and under the new shitty rules, the linesman immediately raised his flag (which I thought resulted in a hop ball, 13m from the sideline) Anyways, Tyrone ended up winning the line ball (A misplaced pass by Scullion), ricey broke up the field, played it to Dooher who scored.
Is this an example of Pat McE playing the advantage rule?
A hop ball...you cannot play advantage in this situation
And there was a few know alls last week posting that the sideline ball ruling wouldnt cause any constirnation or possible conflict in games ::)
Quote from: Bensars on May 24, 2010, 02:29:07 PM
And there was a few know alls last week posting that the sideline ball ruling wouldnt cause any constirnation or possible conflict in games ::)
I would been very surprised if someone could have predicted the linesman would raise his flag for a technical foul and then lower it because the ref didn't see him.
It seemed like the linesman just decided to put his flag down for some reason.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2010, 01:22:07 PM
Couple of interesting stats from 'enhance analysis' from the Irish News:
- Tyrone only dropped one ball short into keepers arms as opposed to 5 for Antrim.
- 64% of Antrims scores came from kick outs where as 68%
of Tyrones scores came from counter attacks.
- Both teams broke even on breaking ball, 20 breaks won each. However, Antrim won 5 clean catches compared to Tyrones 2 (but we are all aware that Tyrone rarely ever win the high fielding count).
- Turnover count was almost even with Antrim turning over 36 times and Tyrone 35.
- Finally, Tyrone fared marginally better in the shot effieciency stakes with 59% success rate compared to Antrims 56%.
All in all the game seemed to be pretty tight from the stats side but in reality Tyrone were always the superior team. Their ability to score clinical goals and to grab points here and there when Antrim looked like closing in always kept them in control.
Many of the counter attacks came from Antrim mistakes which can't be relied on in future games. Tyrone will need to raise the scores from kickouts percentage.
Im not that concerned about that incident because I think the game is stop start enough, without another stoppage to it. But the fact is that the ref and linesman are mic'd up so therefore there would have been a conversation held over their radio's for the game to be allowed to go ahead.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 24, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Quick question about the new rules.
Antrim got a line ball in and around the 25min. Tony Scullion took it, had his foot/feet inside the sideline, and under the new shitty rules, the linesman immediately raised his flag (which I thought resulted in a hop ball, 13m from the sideline) Anyways, Tyrone ended up winning the line ball (A misplaced pass by Scullion), ricey broke up the field, played it to Dooher who scored.
Is this an example of Pat McE playing the advantage rule?
No- it is an example of Pat getting carried away with his own press about how he lets game flow. Now he makes up the rules as he goes along. If it were to be a free to Tyrone there would be some justification but Tyrone were not due an advantage for the indiscretion. Should have been a hop ball.
It was poor by the linesman whoever he was but in the grand scheme of things I don't think it made much difference.
Tyrone's two goals came from antrim mistakes as did at least that point.
Mistakes in county football will be punished and need to be minimised as much as possible. We are talking unforced errors here too.
That's not to take away from Tyrone. We need to stop making such fundamental errors if we're to compete at this level.
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
Quote from: Mickeys beard on May 24, 2010, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on May 24, 2010, 12:24:08 PM
...Looking back, Tyrone could have been totally out of reach by half time-opted for points when goals were possible.
+1
Quote
...Am surprised that Dooher didn't get a bigger mention-thought he was immense- on TV he was in the corner of the screen almost the whole way through the first half.
Watching it live I thought his contribution was more talismanic than real. Loughrey had him well marshalled and was still able to do his own thing. He got a bit more freedom when Scullion moved onto him for short periods.
He took his point well. There were better options available at the time - perhaps maybe even a goal chance? - but it was an important marker for himself and the team.
He was really struggling by the time he was taken off - which is not surprising given the heat and his long lay-off. He still has the vision and accuracy but only time - and not bleep tests - will tell whether he has the legs for a long summer.
Cavanagh fisted point if the pressure was on could as easily be a goal-Dooher's point could have been a goal. Hub almost got another. Antrim had one chance and took it. It could very easily have been a rout.
I just feel that Dooher's main qualities lie off the ball and when he went off space started to appear around the middle and Antrim's half forward line. I suppose hard to see on TV.
When I said "+1" above I meant I agreed with you! :o
Watching the square ball decision over and over. It looks like when it was kicked in high by Cavanagh. Took a bounce outside the square, Finucane then just beats Hub to it, pats it down inside the box. Cavanagh comes in, hits off him, Hughes then pats at it trying to control it. He then kicks it, it's not clear if he is inside or out at this point, McHugh says Hub kicks it from outside the small rectangle. Finucane and an Antrim player manage to save it between them inside before it deflects off them and comes to Cavanagh who knocks it in, from what looks like inside the box. What isn't clear is whether Cavanagh was inside when Hub kicked it.
Now is it even technically a square ball if the opposing keeper saves and another player fists it in from inside the box? The idea of the rule is not stop players standing on the goal line beside the keeper when the high ball comes in, a bit like the offside rule in soccer. That's how I interpret it anyway.
Goal would have stood in 90% of cases, IMO.
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No he wasn't. It wouldn't be rewarding anyone, it would be applying the rules of the game. By saying 'breaking the rules' you act as if its a heinous crime to step onto the pitch, when in any case Tyrone 'broke the rules' in a fashion by putting the ball out of play in the first place. It was a horrible bit of refereeing and was completely unfair.
Quote from: stibhan on May 24, 2010, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No he wasn't. It wouldn't be rewarding anyone, it would be applying the rules of the game. By saying 'breaking the rules' you act as if its a heinous crime to step onto the pitch, when in any case Tyrone 'broke the rules' in a fashion by putting the ball out of play in the first place. It was a horrible bit of refereeing and was completely unfair.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cD6A1FRcnXY/SX0F8FN5pKI/AAAAAAAAAlg/y0-V5Zox258/s400/its+not+fair.jpg)
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
That's because we now know that Tyrone scored from the ensuing play. PMcE couldn't have known that at the time. Earlier in the game S Cavanagh? was blown up for the same infringement and Tyrone won the subsequent throw in...a reward for breaking the rules ???
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: stibhan on May 24, 2010, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No he wasn't. It wouldn't be rewarding anyone, it would be applying the rules of the game. By saying 'breaking the rules' you act as if its a heinous crime to step onto the pitch, when in any case Tyrone 'broke the rules' in a fashion by putting the ball out of play in the first place. It was a horrible bit of refereeing and was completely unfair.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cD6A1FRcnXY/SX0F8FN5pKI/AAAAAAAAAlg/y0-V5Zox258/s400/its+not+fair.jpg)
Oh dear sitb...this will haunt you later in the summer...
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: stibhan on May 24, 2010, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No he wasn't. It wouldn't be rewarding anyone, it would be applying the rules of the game. By saying 'breaking the rules' you act as if its a heinous crime to step onto the pitch, when in any case Tyrone 'broke the rules' in a fashion by putting the ball out of play in the first place. It was a horrible bit of refereeing and was completely unfair.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cD6A1FRcnXY/SX0F8FN5pKI/AAAAAAAAAlg/y0-V5Zox258/s400/its+not+fair.jpg)
I was actually referencing Father Todd Unctious, but nice picture.
Happy enough albeit we pulled the pin a bit in the second half, but sure there was no real danger. Anybody see the meatwagons on the andytown road with the flegs hanging off them. I presume they werent the real deal. lovely sunny day with more lovely sunny days ahead. Dooher was great, and those mc mahon cubs can play a bit.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 02:16:43 PM
See the Irish News managed to dedicate the back page to Baker's sour grapes courtesy of Archer...
Watched the game back there, Mugsy's steal was legit, took it clean, Brady stumbled after losing the ball.
Bit perplexed at them giving Niblock MOTM when the rest of the team were rated so low, apart from CJ McGourty. Also don't agree that Davey Harte should be rated higher than Cathal McCarron.
I've no complaints about this goal, but he did pull Brady's shirt....technically a foul but I don't think McEneany could have seen it. How he missed Mulligan's throw for the first goal mind you... ;)
We agree on the second goal, but I actually think the first goal was legit. I have watched the replay several times and I can see Mulligan remove his striking hand away from the ball before the "strike" with the fingers. Not very far and not a haymaker by any means but I do think there was clear air between the ball and his striking hand before the striking action. I'm not sure McEneaney could have seen a "clear striking action" though in realtime if it took me 3 or 4 replays. Maybe that's what makes him such a good referee :D <duck>
Quote from: stibhan on May 24, 2010, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No he wasn't. It wouldn't be rewarding anyone, it would be applying the rules of the game. By saying 'breaking the rules' you act as if its a heinous crime to step onto the pitch, when in any case Tyrone 'broke the rules' in a fashion by putting the ball out of play in the first place. It was a horrible bit of refereeing and was completely unfair.
Nonsense, it would be the same if a player took a free from the wrong position, if he kicked to his opponents why not just leave the game flow. If you give a throw up, you simply slow the game and reward the player for actually breaking the rules as he now has a 50:50 chance of winning the ball back.
QuoteThat's because we now know that Tyrone scored from the ensuing play. PMcE couldn't have known that at the time.
Tyrone won the ball and were attacking, that is an advantage, it is irrelevant whether they went on to score or not.
The sideline ball rule is a petty, nonsense rule and we don't need refs getting even more pernickety.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 02:16:43 PM
See the Irish News managed to dedicate the back page to Baker's sour grapes courtesy of Archer...
Watched the game back there, Mugsy's steal was legit, took it clean, Brady stumbled after losing the ball.
Bit perplexed at them giving Niblock MOTM when the rest of the team were rated so low, apart from CJ McGourty. Also don't agree that Davey Harte should be rated higher than Cathal McCarron.
I've no complaints about this goal, but he did pull Brady's shirt....technically a foul but I don't think McEneany could have seen it. How he missed Mulligan's throw for the first goal mind you... ;)
We agree on the second goal, but I actually think the first goal was legit. I have watched the replay several times and I can see Mulligan remove his striking hand away from the ball before the "strike" with the fingers. Not very far and not a haymaker by any means but I do think there was clear air between the ball and his striking hand before the striking action. I'm not sure McEneaney could have seen a "clear striking action" though in realtime if it took me 3 or 4 replays. Maybe that's what makes him such a good referee :D <duck>
He does not have to see it. In order to blow for a free he has to sure there was NOT an 'clear striking action'. Benifit of the doubt rightly goes to the player with the ball.
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: stibhan on May 24, 2010, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No he wasn't. It wouldn't be rewarding anyone, it would be applying the rules of the game. By saying 'breaking the rules' you act as if its a heinous crime to step onto the pitch, when in any case Tyrone 'broke the rules' in a fashion by putting the ball out of play in the first place. It was a horrible bit of refereeing and was completely unfair.
Nonsense, it would be the same if a player took a free from the wrong position, if he kicked to his opponents why not just leave the game flow. If you give a throw up, you simply slow the game and reward the player for actually breaking the rules as he now has a 50:50 chance of winning the ball back.
QuoteThat's because we now know that Tyrone scored from the ensuing play. PMcE couldn't have known that at the time.
Tyrone won the ball and were attacking, that is an advantage, it is irrelevant whether they went on to score or not.
The sideline ball rule is a petty, nonsense rule and we don't need refs getting even more pernickety.
If you step over the line taking a sideline kick you lose the advantage (of the unhindered kick) and the resultant punishment is a hop ball. There is no advantage to accrue to the opposing team therefore you cannot play an advantage ...
That's fair enough but like I said about the player who takes the free from the wrong position (how strictly that should be applied is another matter) and kicks it away to the opposition. In that situation I'd be in favour of letting the game continue rather than giving a throw up, it should be similar with a sideline, let the decision be up to the ref whether he feels the game should continue or not.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 03:12:13 PM
Watching the square ball decision over and over. It looks like when it was kicked in high by Cavanagh. Took a bounce outside the square, Finucane then just beats Hub to it, pats it down inside the box. Cavanagh comes in, hits off him, Hughes then pats at it trying to control it. He then kicks it, it's not clear if he is inside or out at this point, McHugh says Hub kicks it from outside the small rectangle. Finucane and an Antrim player manage to save it between them inside before it deflects off them and comes to Cavanagh who knocks it in, from what looks like inside the box. What isn't clear is whether Cavanagh was inside when Hub kicked it.
Now is it even technically a square ball if the opposing keeper saves and another player fists it in from inside the box?
Yes! If he is in the square before the ball. Coming off the keeper, another player, or the post has nothing to do with it - despite what you might have heard along the sideline (right after "two man tackle ref!", "10yds forward ref!", "he lifted the kickout inside the 21 ref!" ::)).
If Cavanagh entered the square after the ball first entered it but while the ball was still in there and he didn't have time to step out before the ball went out and in again then it would have been legit. But I don't think that was the case. I don't think I would even want to try and work that sequence out in real time :D A square ball was the correct call.
Quote
The idea of the rule is not stop players standing on the goal line beside the keeper when the high ball comes in
Doesn't matter what the intention was, the rule is quite clear in principle if not reality.
Quote
a bit like the offside rule in soccer. That's how I interpret it anyway.
Stick to the soccer reffing. there's a good lad, Sandwiches ;D
Quote
Goal would have stood in 90% of cases, IMO.
In my experience a square ball would have been given 90% of the time
simply because he was in the square when he scored (regardless of when/how he arrived there unless he is seen to soar through the air >:( )
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: stibhan on May 24, 2010, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No he wasn't. It wouldn't be rewarding anyone, it would be applying the rules of the game. By saying 'breaking the rules' you act as if its a heinous crime to step onto the pitch, when in any case Tyrone 'broke the rules' in a fashion by putting the ball out of play in the first place. It was a horrible bit of refereeing and was completely unfair.
Nonsense, it would be the same if a player took a free from the wrong position, if he kicked to his opponents why not just leave the game flow. If you give a throw up, you simply slow the game and reward the player for actually breaking the rules as he now has a 50:50 chance of winning the ball back.
QuoteThat's because we now know that Tyrone scored from the ensuing play. PMcE couldn't have known that at the time.
Tyrone won the ball and were attacking, that is an advantage, it is irrelevant whether they went on to score or not.
The sideline ball rule is a petty, nonsense rule and we don't need refs getting even more pernickety.
It isn't nonsense. It's the rules. If the sideline ball rule being 'broken' was punished by the facilitation of another attack for a team then they'd get a free.
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: stibhan on May 24, 2010, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No he wasn't. It wouldn't be rewarding anyone, it would be applying the rules of the game. By saying 'breaking the rules' you act as if its a heinous crime to step onto the pitch, when in any case Tyrone 'broke the rules' in a fashion by putting the ball out of play in the first place. It was a horrible bit of refereeing and was completely unfair.
Nonsense, it would be the same if a player took a free from the wrong position, if he kicked to his opponents why not just leave the game flow. If you give a throw up, you simply slow the game and reward the player for actually breaking the rules as he now has a 50:50 chance of winning the ball back.
QuoteThat's because we now know that Tyrone scored from the ensuing play. PMcE couldn't have known that at the time.
Tyrone won the ball and were attacking, that is an advantage, it is irrelevant whether they went on to score or not.
The sideline ball rule is a petty, nonsense rule and we don't need refs getting even more pernickety.
Are not all technical rules petty and nonsensical then? Sure he nearly got his toe under that one... Sure it was only a wee small second bounce... It may have seemed petty in this instance, but would it have been as petty if Scullion had "stolen" 2 or 3 yards and several degress of angle to score a point? :o
Not that Scullion is likely, but we have all seen it creep into forward play in the last few seasons. Cut out the discretion that has been exploited of late and apply the rules and use the white line. Simple. No?
The best part of my day was that great burger I had in the Fruithill
Well that and taking €30 off my driver who I offered 100-30 on an Antrim win
The other 3 passengers all predicted a 4, 6 and 11 point victory
I think Antrim needed the start to each half that Tyrone got but when we scored those few points at the start of the 2nd half then we probably thought yeah that's it all over now and took the foot of the gas. Its hard not to do I suppose
I'll watch it again tonight as I always miss so much at matches but i was amazed we didn't hit more direct ball into Stevie & Mugsy as both were winning most ball into them
Good to meet a few of ye in the fruithill, even if I was distracted for most of the time I was there.
We have to allow refs some discretion, we allow the hurling refs have plenty of it and it encourages a more free flowing game. IMO the rule book shouldn't be strictly adhered to as many of the rules were written many years ago and have little to do with the modern game. You mention about the pick up, well if that was reffed strictly there'd be another 10 frees per game. We can go around in circles here but I want to see refs allow the game flow rather than quote rule x subsection y ad nauseum. The rules are only there to allow the game be played they shouldn't be implemented if they are actually preventing the game being played. good refs know the difference, the Derek Fahy's of the world don't.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 02:16:43 PM
See the Irish News managed to dedicate the back page to Baker's sour grapes courtesy of Archer...
Watched the game back there, Mugsy's steal was legit, took it clean, Brady stumbled after losing the ball.
Bit perplexed at them giving Niblock MOTM when the rest of the team were rated so low, apart from CJ McGourty. Also don't agree that Davey Harte should be rated higher than Cathal McCarron.
I've no complaints about this goal, but he did pull Brady's shirt....technically a foul but I don't think McEneany could have seen it. How he missed Mulligan's throw for the first goal mind you... ;)
On the subject of pulling, I never seen a man pulled as much as SON was everytime he got near the ball. As for people complaining about Antrim errors causing Tyrone scores, this happens in every game. Most scores are from some mistake somewhere in the build up to a score, I am sure if you analysed Antrims scores you could put most of them down to Tyrone making errors. Its always been like that, so why the big hooo haahhh now, you would swear that Antrim set every ball they had on a goalies kick out tee for the Tyrone men to simply tap it over the bar or into the net.
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 04:23:48 PM
We have to allow refs some discretion, we allow the hurling refs have plenty of it and it encourages a more free flowing game. IMO the rule book shouldn't be strictly adhered to as many of the rules were written many years ago and have little to do with the modern game. You mention about the pick up, well if that was reffed strictly there'd be another 10 frees per game. We can go around in circles here but I want to see refs allow the game flow rather than quote rule x subsection y ad nauseum. The rules are only there to allow the game be played they shouldn't be implemented if they are actually preventing the game being played. good refs know the difference, the Derek Fahy's of the world don't.
What he did with the lineball wasn't using his discretion as it wasn't like Tyrone would have got a free otherwise. Sure Antrim might have won the hop ball. On that one he just made up hi sown rule...
Quote from: EC Unique on May 24, 2010, 03:50:36 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 02:16:43 PM
See the Irish News managed to dedicate the back page to Baker's sour grapes courtesy of Archer...
Watched the game back there, Mugsy's steal was legit, took it clean, Brady stumbled after losing the ball.
Bit perplexed at them giving Niblock MOTM when the rest of the team were rated so low, apart from CJ McGourty. Also don't agree that Davey Harte should be rated higher than Cathal McCarron.
I've no complaints about this goal, but he did pull Brady's shirt....technically a foul but I don't think McEneany could have seen it. How he missed Mulligan's throw for the first goal mind you... ;)
We agree on the second goal, but I actually think the first goal was legit. I have watched the replay several times and I can see Mulligan remove his striking hand away from the ball before the "strike" with the fingers. Not very far and not a haymaker by any means but I do think there was clear air between the ball and his striking hand before the striking action. I'm not sure McEneaney could have seen a "clear striking action" though in realtime if it took me 3 or 4 replays. Maybe that's what makes him such a good referee :D <duck>
He does not have to see it. In order to blow for a free he has to sure there was NOT an 'clear striking action'. Benifit of the doubt rightly goes to the player with the ball.
Not in the current climate. I think there has been a switch in the "benefit of the doubt" that is contributing most to the current mess over the handpass. Referees (McEneaney excepted) seem to be increasingly now
assuming a handpass is illegal
unless they clearly see evidence of it being legal.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 24, 2010, 03:50:36 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 02:16:43 PM
See the Irish News managed to dedicate the back page to Baker's sour grapes courtesy of Archer...
Watched the game back there, Mugsy's steal was legit, took it clean, Brady stumbled after losing the ball.
Bit perplexed at them giving Niblock MOTM when the rest of the team were rated so low, apart from CJ McGourty. Also don't agree that Davey Harte should be rated higher than Cathal McCarron.
I've no complaints about this goal, but he did pull Brady's shirt....technically a foul but I don't think McEneany could have seen it. How he missed Mulligan's throw for the first goal mind you... ;)
We agree on the second goal, but I actually think the first goal was legit. I have watched the replay several times and I can see Mulligan remove his striking hand away from the ball before the "strike" with the fingers. Not very far and not a haymaker by any means but I do think there was clear air between the ball and his striking hand before the striking action. I'm not sure McEneaney could have seen a "clear striking action" though in realtime if it took me 3 or 4 replays. Maybe that's what makes him such a good referee :D <duck>
He does not have to see it. In order to blow for a free he has to sure there was NOT an 'clear striking action'. Benifit of the doubt rightly goes to the player with the ball.
I think there has been a switch in the "benefit of the doubt" that is contributing most to the current mess over the handpass. Referees (McEneaney excepted) seem to be increasingly now assuming a handpass is illegal unless they clearly see evidence of it being legal.
Did Mc Enaney not say in a post match interview that he was only able to call the ones he saw and couldn't call the ones he didn't see ?.
thats all you can do as a referee, you see it you call it. Pat does not give a hoot who wins
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
Yes! If he is in the square before the ball. Coming off the keeper, another player, or the post has nothing to do with it - despite what you might have heard along the sideline (right after "two man tackle ref!", "10yds forward ref!", "he lifted the kickout inside the 21 ref!" ::)).
If Cavanagh entered the square after the ball first entered it but while the ball was still in there and he didn't have time to step out before the ball went out and in again then it would have been legit. But I don't think that was the case. I don't think I would even want to try and work that sequence out in real time :D A square ball was the correct call.
Quote
a bit like the offside rule in soccer. That's how I interpret it anyway.
Stick to the soccer reffing. there's a good lad, Sandwiches ;D
Quote
Goal would have stood in 90% of cases, IMO.
In my experience a square ball would have been given 90% of the time simply because he was in the square when he scored (regardless of when/how he arrived there unless he is seen to soar through the air >:( )
Why is it open questions are always answered by the most patronising b'stards?
I'm in awe you're able to call square ball when from watching the replay over and over it isn't clear whether Hughes kicked the ball from out side of the small rectangle, or whether Cavanagh was inside when the ball left Hughes' boot.
Quote
Doesn't matter what the intention was, the rule is quite clear in principle if not reality.
The intention and the principle of the rule are one and the same. That sort of drivel will have you chairing the CCC in no time.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 04:38:40 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
Yes! If he is in the square before the ball. Coming off the keeper, another player, or the post has nothing to do with it - despite what you might have heard along the sideline (right after "two man tackle ref!", "10yds forward ref!", "he lifted the kickout inside the 21 ref!" ::)).
If Cavanagh entered the square after the ball first entered it but while the ball was still in there and he didn't have time to step out before the ball went out and in again then it would have been legit. But I don't think that was the case. I don't think I would even want to try and work that sequence out in real time :D A square ball was the correct call.
Quote
a bit like the offside rule in soccer. That's how I interpret it anyway.
Stick to the soccer reffing. there's a good lad, Sandwiches ;D
Quote
Goal would have stood in 90% of cases, IMO.
In my experience a square ball would have been given 90% of the time simply because he was in the square when he scored (regardless of when/how he arrived there unless he is seen to soar through the air >:( )
Why is it open questions are always answered by the most patronising b'stards?
I'm in awe you're able to call square ball when from watching the replay over and over it isn't clear whether Hughes kicked the ball from out side of the small rectangle, or whether Cavanagh was inside when the ball left Hughes' boot.
Quote
Doesn't matter what the intention was, the rule is quite clear in principle if not reality.
The intention and the principle of the rule are one and the same. That sort of drivel will have you chairing the CCC in no time.
;D ;D ;D
I noticed you didn't manage to quote the question you asked:
Quote
Now is it even technically a square ball if the opposing keeper saves and another player fists it in from inside the box?
How is that an "open" question? You asked a question and I answered it. If you thought my answer was patronising then fair enough. But did you really need to call me a b'stard just because your ignorance was exposed?
You pronounced your verdict based on a soccer interpretation of a gaelic rule you didn't bother to read FFS!
Or were you just shooting the breeze on that one as well so that we could all stand back and admire?
Whoops, I'm being a bit of a b'stard again, sorry. When's the next CCC meeting? I need to canvass a few supporters... :D
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 24, 2010, 04:24:11 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 24, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 02:16:43 PM
See the Irish News managed to dedicate the back page to Baker's sour grapes courtesy of Archer...
Watched the game back there, Mugsy's steal was legit, took it clean, Brady stumbled after losing the ball.
Bit perplexed at them giving Niblock MOTM when the rest of the team were rated so low, apart from CJ McGourty. Also don't agree that Davey Harte should be rated higher than Cathal McCarron.
I've no complaints about this goal, but he did pull Brady's shirt....technically a foul but I don't think McEneany could have seen it. How he missed Mulligan's throw for the first goal mind you... ;)
On the subject of pulling, I never seen a man pulled as much as SON was everytime he got near the ball. As for people complaining about Antrim errors causing Tyrone scores, this happens in every game. Most scores are from some mistake somewhere in the build up to a score, I am sure if you analysed Antrims scores you could put most of them down to Tyrone making errors. Its always been like that, so why the big hooo haahhh now, you would swear that Antrim set every ball they had on a goalies kick out tee for the Tyrone men to simply tap it over the bar or into the net.
I think we're complaining about
unforced errors e.g. Antrim player letting the ball go straight through his hands when under no pressure vs O'Neill's first point...a moment of genius, Antrim player can do nothing about it.
Match report from Irish Times
ULSTER SFC Tyrone 2-14 Antrim 1-13: A VIVID championship Sunday in Casement Park. The sky was the colour it is supposed to be, the stands and terraces creaked, Tyrone gave a performance. Antrim drew some hope. All well with the world.
In truth it was a little more like a reprise of last year's Ulster final than the locals will have wished for. Tyrone permitted Antrim to get close on the scoreboard especially during a narcoleptic second half but they always had enough self assurance and class to be able to dig themselves out. Antrim won't look on yesterday as representing an upward incline on their learning curve.
Tyrone whom Mickey Harte reckoned deserved a mark of seven and a half out of 10 in the first half and six " for effort" in the second looked like a side with plenty in the tank. When they wanted to score, which was regularly before the break they tore through and did just that. One of the sights of the first half was full back Justin McMahon rampaging the length of the pitch and taking a point from a chance which should have yielded a goal. They led by seven points at half time and were good value for that having taken all but a point of their 2-6 from play.
It was the Tyrone we have come to know and fear breaking quickly with players joining the attack at pace regardless of what position they were picked in. If the opportunity beckoned Tyrone latched onto it. Casement had barely settled down after the anthem when Tyrone announced that they would be playing their greatest hits. From the throw in a period of possession denied Antrim a touch for some 10 to 15 seconds before Stephen O'Neill drove a superb point over the bar. O'Neill was in superb form and one point in particular in the second half when he latched onto to a fine low driven pass from Owen Mulligan and slotted a point from the narrowest of angles told us all we need to know about his plans for the rest of the summer. Himself and Mulligan playing as a two-man full forward line just had too much wit and pace for Antrim and it was a slight surprise that Antrim didn't pull a player back to sweep in front of them.
Antrim were catching a few breaks in midfield and their opponents were a little wasteful of the chances but Tyrone's energy was as oppressive as the high sun.
The game effectively ended with Kevin Hughes' goal after just nine minutes. Not for the last time Mulligan was the provider as Hughes came steaming through. He needed to think quickly having taken possession but his goal, though it only stretched the lead to three points, established authority.
Just on the half hour Mulligan cashed in a few chips for himself. Turning over possession from an Antrim back (which Liam Bradley later insisted was a foul) Mulligan tore toward the goal sold one of his patented dummys and buried it in the net.
It was redemption of sorts. Mulligan had just fluffed possession from a sweeping Tyrone move which had ended with a precise pass from Ryan McMenamin.
"I was trying to make up for dropping the first one," he said mock ruefully afterwards.
The goal which Antrim needed in the second half might have come a little earlier to have been of real benefit. Bradley's substitutions were working well and Antrim's ratio of possession was picking up without a notable dent on the scoreboard. Twenty minutes into the half, however, the goal came. Kevin Niblock driving through from centre forward and finishing with a shot to the corner of the net which would have passed muster in the Bernabeu on Saturday.
Somewhat suprisingly Antrim were now only only four points behind Tyrone were unperturbed. Mulligan and O'Neill were still busting out the chances. Martin Penrose was enjoying a fine game and even when Paddy Cunningham managed to reduce the gap to a point from a free with nine minutes left there was never the sense of a sensation about to occur.
If Antrim had a win in them it was likely that CJ McGourty, a popular incoming sub on 25 minutes would have been instrumental. His points from play were the bright spots in a patchy performance but down the straight he found himself suffocated for space having to settle for points when Antrim needed a knock out blow.
So Tyrone roll on to a game against either Down or Donegal in the semi-final. Antrim hit the road for qualifying. Work to do in both corners but Mickey Harte wore the broader grin afterwards.
TYRONE: P McConnell; M Swift, Justin McMahon (0-1), D Carlin; D Harte, R McMenamin, P Jordan (0-1); K Hughes (1-1), C Cavanagh (0-1); B Dooher (0-1), S Cavanagh (0-3), Joe McMahon; M Penrose, S O'Neill (0-3), O Mulligan (1-0). Subs: Sean O'Neill for McMenamin (51 mins), P Harte for Dooher (51 mins), C McCarron, T McGuigan (0-1) for Hughes (68 mins), B McGuigan for Mulligan (70 mins).
ANTRIM: J Finucane; C Brady, A Douglas, K O'Boyle; T Scullion (0-1), J Crozier, S Kelly; A Gallagher, B Herron; T O'Neill, K Niblock (1-1), J Loughrey; P Cunningham (0-5), M McCann (0-1), T McCann (0-1). Subs: CJ McGourty (0-3) for Kelly (18 mins), K McGourty for Herron (41 mins), G O'Boyle for O'Neill (41 mins), K Brady for McCann (52 mins).
Referee: P McEnaney (Make a game of it - Monaghan ).
TYRONE: P McConnell; M Swift, Justin McMahon (0-1), D Carlin; D Harte, R McMenamin, P Jordan (0-1); K Hughes (1-1), C Cavanagh (0-1); B Dooher (0-1), S Cavanagh (0-3), Joe McMahon; M Penrose, S O'Neill (0-3), O Mulligan (1-0). Subs: Sean O'Neill for McMenamin (51 mins), P Harte for Dooher (51 mins), C McCarron, T McGuigan (0-1) for Hughes (68 mins), B McGuigan for Mulligan (70 mins).
ANTRIM: J Finucane; C Brady, A Douglas, K O'Boyle; T Scullion (0-1), J Crozier, S Kelly; A Gallagher, B Herron; T O'Neill, K Niblock (1-1), J Loughrey; P Cunningham (0-5), M McCann (0-1), T McCann (0-1). Subs: CJ McGourty (0-3) for Kelly (18 mins), K McGourty for Herron (41 mins), G O'Boyle for O'Neill (41 mins), K Brady for McCann (52 mins).
Referee: P McEnaney (Make a game of it - Monaghan ).
Class.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 03:12:13 PM
Watching the square ball decision over and over. It looks like when it was kicked in high by Cavanagh. Took a bounce outside the square, Finucane then just beats Hub to it, pats it down inside the box. Cavanagh comes in, hits off him, Hughes then pats at it trying to control it. He then kicks it, it's not clear if he is inside or out at this point, McHugh says Hub kicks it from outside the small rectangle. Finucane and an Antrim player manage to save it between them inside before it deflects off them and comes to Cavanagh who knocks it in, from what looks like inside the box. What isn't clear is whether Cavanagh was inside when Hub kicked it.
Now is it even technically a square ball if the opposing keeper saves and another player fists it in from inside the box?
Yes! If he is in the square before the ball. Coming off the keeper, another player, or the post has nothing to do with it - despite what you might have heard along the sideline (right after "two man tackle ref!", "10yds forward ref!", "he lifted the kickout inside the 21 ref!" ::)).
If Cavanagh entered the square after the ball first entered it but while the ball was still in there and he didn't have time to step out before the ball went out and in again then it would have been legit. But I don't think that was the case. I don't think I would even want to try and work that sequence out in real time :D A square ball was the correct call.
Quote
The idea of the rule is not stop players standing on the goal line beside the keeper when the high ball comes in
Doesn't matter what the intention was, the rule is quite clear in principle if not reality.
Quote
a bit like the offside rule in soccer. That's how I interpret it anyway.
Stick to the soccer reffing. there's a good lad, Sandwiches ;D
Quote
Goal would have stood in 90% of cases, IMO.
In my experience a square ball would have been given 90% of the time simply because he was in the square when he scored (regardless of when/how he arrived there unless he is seen to soar through the air >:( )
That would only be correct if the player in the square does not touch the ball or interfere with the defence, although prior to checking the rule yesterday I was also of the opinion that if you had entered the square legally and the ball had been played out of it and back into it before you could get out of the square then it was not square ball.
The rule states: (It is a foul)
4.10 For an attacking player to enter opponents'
small rectangle before the ball enters it during
the play.
Exceptions
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the
small rectangle, and the ball is played
from that area but is returned before the
attacking player has time to leave the area,
provided that he does not play the ball
or interfere with the defence, a foul is not
committed.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on May 24, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 24, 2010, 03:12:13 PM
Watching the square ball decision over and over. It looks like when it was kicked in high by Cavanagh. Took a bounce outside the square, Finucane then just beats Hub to it, pats it down inside the box. Cavanagh comes in, hits off him, Hughes then pats at it trying to control it. He then kicks it, it's not clear if he is inside or out at this point, McHugh says Hub kicks it from outside the small rectangle. Finucane and an Antrim player manage to save it between them inside before it deflects off them and comes to Cavanagh who knocks it in, from what looks like inside the box. What isn't clear is whether Cavanagh was inside when Hub kicked it.
Now is it even technically a square ball if the opposing keeper saves and another player fists it in from inside the box?
Yes! If he is in the square before the ball. Coming off the keeper, another player, or the post has nothing to do with it - despite what you might have heard along the sideline (right after "two man tackle ref!", "10yds forward ref!", "he lifted the kickout inside the 21 ref!" ::)).
If Cavanagh entered the square after the ball first entered it but while the ball was still in there and he didn't have time to step out before the ball went out and in again then it would have been legit. But I don't think that was the case. I don't think I would even want to try and work that sequence out in real time :D A square ball was the correct call.
Quote
The idea of the rule is not stop players standing on the goal line beside the keeper when the high ball comes in
Doesn't matter what the intention was, the rule is quite clear in principle if not reality.
Quote
a bit like the offside rule in soccer. That's how I interpret it anyway.
Stick to the soccer reffing. there's a good lad, Sandwiches ;D
Quote
Goal would have stood in 90% of cases, IMO.
In my experience a square ball would have been given 90% of the time simply because he was in the square when he scored (regardless of when/how he arrived there unless he is seen to soar through the air >:( )
That would only be correct if the player in the square does not touch the ball or interfere with the defence, although prior to checking the rule yesterday I was also of the opinion that if you had entered the square legally and the ball had been played out of it and back into it before you could get out of the square then it was not square ball.
The rule states: (It is a foul)
4.10 For an attacking player to enter opponents'
small rectangle before the ball enters it during
the play.
Exceptions
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the
small rectangle, and the ball is played
from that area but is returned before the
attacking player has time to leave the area,
provided that he does not play the ball
or interfere with the defence, a foul is not
committed.
Therefore square ball was the correct decision.
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
He was dead right to leave the game flow, if he brought it back he would have rewarded Antrim for breaking the rules.
No, he was wrong fro playing the advantage to Tyrone. The new sideline rule doesn't result in a free to the opposing team so therefore there should have been no advantage whatsoever.
Quote from: under the bar on May 24, 2010, 12:15:50 PM
Like Armagh last week it's difficult to assess Tyrone on that game. Down (provided they advance next week as I expect them to) and Monaghan will be a much sterner test for both counties.
Whoever suggested that if it's a Tyrone-Armagh final it should be played in Croker needs therapy. Half the population is struggling for work so catch a grip. I will never go to another Ulster final that is not played in Ulster.
I think some people actually enjoy the recession. How much extra would it cost to go to Dublin for the day? A few extra pound on petrol but not much. People dont have to eat out etc in Dublin thats a seperate choice. It would work out cheaper for the average family because there would be a lot more family tickets available. The ticket prices may also be dropped slightly to attract more people. Would be a good idea to play a Tyrone Armagh or Down Armagh game there.
Quote from: Zulu on May 24, 2010, 04:23:48 PM
We have to allow refs some discretion, we allow the hurling refs have plenty of it and it encourages a more free flowing game. IMO the rule book shouldn't be strictly adhered to as many of the rules were written many years ago and have little to do with the modern game. You mention about the pick up, well if that was reffed strictly there'd be another 10 frees per game. We can go around in circles here but I want to see refs allow the game flow rather than quote rule x subsection y ad nauseum. The rules are only there to allow the game be played they shouldn't be implemented if they are actually preventing the game being played. good refs know the difference, the Derek Fahy's of the world don't.
Nobody is against letting the game flow and using common sense. However, letting Tyrone have an attack when the rule book states a hop ball is the necessary action is not using common sense, it's breaking the rules. If it was the case that Tyrone were being unfairly punished for an Antrim defensive foul, and McEnaney decided to let them have the advantage, then I'd have no complaints. It's difficult enough for the players to follow the new rules without a referee giving his own liberal interpretation of them, however exciting or not that is. It's arguable that McEnaney and all the other 'common sense' referees do more to damage the consistency of refereeing decisions than the 'Derek Fahy's of the world'.
P.S.McEnaney ('Make a game of it') indeed, I think there were plenty of people in Casement wondering where he pulled the last 4 frees for Tyrone out of his arse whilst he was there.
I've been away from the board a few days and indeed the country. So only getting back on now.
Watched the game last night on the telly. Thankfully my father DVR'd it for me from RTE. Some moments of pure brilliance from Tyrone, the Mulligan goal being the ultimate moment. SoN looking sharp as ever and Dooher being a real calming force within the team. It was the Tyrone of old in the first half. Joe McMahon doing terrific work, getting all the balls and moving it back up into the Tyrone half again.
I was especially please to see Colm Cavanagh taking the potential he has shown from the league, into the Championship. Not without error, but still showing the big improvement from recent years.
Antrim had a blinding 2nd half, showing guts and determination, plus Baker rejigging the team to get his tactics right. However, they didn't have the belief I believe to push on and get a win yesterday. Perhaps that was Tyrone's saviour at the end of the day.
So in conclusion, Tyrone showing they still have what it takes to push for the big prizes in July and September, but still need a lot of work to do that. Donegal or Down won't let them away with as much the next day, but hopefully we'll be the same.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 24, 2010, 07:10:54 PM
I've been away from the board a few days and indeed the country. So only getting back on now.
Watched the game last night on the telly. Thankfully my father DVR'd it for me from RTE. Some moments of pure brilliance from Tyrone, the Mulligan goal being the ultimate moment. SoN looking sharp as ever and Dooher being a real calming force within the team. It was the Tyrone of old in the first half. Joe McMahon doing terrific work, getting all the balls and moving it back up into the Tyrone half again.
I was especially please to see Colm Cavanagh taking the potential he has shown from the league, into the Championship. Not without error, but still showing the big improvement from recent years.
Antrim had a blinding 2nd half, showing guts and determination, plus Baker rejigging the team to get his tactics right. However, they didn't have the belief I believe to push on and get a win yesterday. Perhaps that was Tyrone's saviour at the end of the day.
So in conclusion, Tyrone showing they still have what it takes to push for the big prizes in July and September, but still need a lot of work to do that. Donegal or Down won't let them away with as much the next day, but hopefully we'll be the same.
I don't think Tyrone are at Cork and Kerry's level on that showing. That backline will be torn to shreds by either forward line. Tyrone are definitely the best of the rest. Still reliant on the same players who are among the best of their time but where is the new blood? Worrying times ahead for Tyrone in my opinion.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 24, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 24, 2010, 07:10:54 PM
I've been away from the board a few days and indeed the country. So only getting back on now.
Watched the game last night on the telly. Thankfully my father DVR'd it for me from RTE. Some moments of pure brilliance from Tyrone, the Mulligan goal being the ultimate moment. SoN looking sharp as ever and Dooher being a real calming force within the team. It was the Tyrone of old in the first half. Joe McMahon doing terrific work, getting all the balls and moving it back up into the Tyrone half again.
I was especially please to see Colm Cavanagh taking the potential he has shown from the league, into the Championship. Not without error, but still showing the big improvement from recent years.
Antrim had a blinding 2nd half, showing guts and determination, plus Baker rejigging the team to get his tactics right. However, they didn't have the belief I believe to push on and get a win yesterday. Perhaps that was Tyrone's saviour at the end of the day.
So in conclusion, Tyrone showing they still have what it takes to push for the big prizes in July and September, but still need a lot of work to do that. Donegal or Down won't let them away with as much the next day, but hopefully we'll be the same.
I don't think Tyrone are at Cork and Kerry's level on that showing. That backline will be torn to shreds by either forward line. Tyrone are definitely the best of the rest. Still reliant on the same players who are among the best of their time but where is the new blood? Worrying times ahead for Tyrone in my opinion.
I wouldn't count Cork amongst the best. They always show a lot of promise, but continue to fail to deliver. This year will be no different. It's Kerry's to lose this year, but only if Tyrone make it to the final, which I'm not sure they will. They won't be far away though.
As I've said before on the board, this is a Tyrone team in transition and I'm not expecting big things from them this year. I just want to see some of the newer players get a bit of pedigree and experience at Championship football and show a bit of promise for the future. However, with this remarkable bunch of players, who knows.
I honestly think its Tyrone to lose this year.
Quote from: rrhf on May 24, 2010, 09:21:10 PM
I honestly think its Tyrone to lose this year.
Hope you're right ... and I wish I had your optimism
Quote from: rrhf on May 24, 2010, 09:21:10 PM
I honestly think its Tyrone to lose this year.
Tell you what, if Tyrone do win.... I'll get you that pint I owe ya ;)
Jeez how long Im I waiting on that one?
I know its a silly over confident statement, but I have total belief that Tyrone can beat any team this year. By god we owe Cork one for the pain of last year.
Micky Harte is still a bit fond of the old guard.
Peter Harte is a quality player - he should be on that team.
Also there would be large question marks over Ricey and Harte. Carlin has always for me looked to have the makings of a great half back. He should be played there.
I know Tyrone pulled it out of the bag in 08 but it would be a bit much now. I would still be unconvinced they're the best team in Ulster. On their day I think Donegal or Down would rattle them and Armagh or Monaghan might too though the rest remain somewhat far behind.
Long way to go to be talking about september.
Tyrone wont beat Cork if they meet but probably would beat Kerry as they seem to have their number. They should hope Kerry do them a solid and put Cork out for them.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 24, 2010, 09:56:31 PM
Tyrone wont beat Cork if they meet but probably would beat Kerry as they seem to have their number. They should hope Kerry do them a solid and put Cork out for them.
Would love to see Tyrone get another go at Cork this year. Last year Sean Cavanagh was missing for the game and a few key players were suffering from flu. Tyrone also let Cork build up a big early lead with the defence wide open which I dont think would happen again. There would also be extra motivation this year which seems to push the team on.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 24, 2010, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 24, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 24, 2010, 07:10:54 PM
I've been away from the board a few days and indeed the country. So only getting back on now.
Watched the game last night on the telly. Thankfully my father DVR'd it for me from RTE. Some moments of pure brilliance from Tyrone, the Mulligan goal being the ultimate moment. SoN looking sharp as ever and Dooher being a real calming force within the team. It was the Tyrone of old in the first half. Joe McMahon doing terrific work, getting all the balls and moving it back up into the Tyrone half again.
I was especially please to see Colm Cavanagh taking the potential he has shown from the league, into the Championship. Not without error, but still showing the big improvement from recent years.
Antrim had a blinding 2nd half, showing guts and determination, plus Baker rejigging the team to get his tactics right. However, they didn't have the belief I believe to push on and get a win yesterday. Perhaps that was Tyrone's saviour at the end of the day.
So in conclusion, Tyrone showing they still have what it takes to push for the big prizes in July and September, but still need a lot of work to do that. Donegal or Down won't let them away with as much the next day, but hopefully we'll be the same.
I don't think Tyrone are at Cork and Kerry's level on that showing. That backline will be torn to shreds by either forward line. Tyrone are definitely the best of the rest. Still reliant on the same players who are among the best of their time but where is the new blood? Worrying times ahead for Tyrone in my opinion.
I wouldn't count Cork amongst the best. They always show a lot of promise, but continue to fail to deliver. This year will be no different. It's Kerry's to lose this year, but only if Tyrone make it to the final, which I'm not sure they will. They won't be far away though.
As I've said before on the board, this is a Tyrone team in transition and I'm not expecting big things from them this year. I just want to see some of the newer players get a bit of pedigree and experience at Championship football and show a bit of promise for the future. However, with this remarkable bunch of players, who knows.
Would not really agree about Tyrone being in transition. Over the next few years we probably will be but at this stage we are playing with an extremely experienced team. If the injuries stay away will still be very hard to beat.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 24, 2010, 09:48:22 PM
Micky Harte is still a bit fond of the old guard.
Peter Harte is a quality player - he should be on that team.
Also there would be large question marks over Ricey and Harte. Carlin has always for me looked to have the makings of a great half back. He should be played there.
I know Tyrone pulled it out of the bag in 08 but it would be a bit much now. I would still be unconvinced they're the best team in Ulster. On their day I think Donegal or Down would rattle them and Armagh or Monaghan might too though the rest remain somewhat far behind.
Long way to go to be talking about september.
Rubbish--they are far and away the best team in Ulster
Think of their forward line and you automatically think of real dangerous players Cavanagh, Mulligan and O'Neill --then throw in Penrose, Dooher and whoever else from the McGuigans, McCullough, Coney, Harte, Joe McMahon and you've a seriously frightening forward unit.
Think of Down and who do you think of?? Coulter and Clarke but who else??
Donegal ? Murphy and McFadden but who else?
Armagh? McDonnell but who else?
Monaghan? Freeman but who else springs to mind as a dangerous forward automatically.
Tyrone have all the aces --skill and the power and physicality to go with it --very hard to stop when in full flight
Was impressed with the size of Colm Cavanagh too yesterday --a beast of a man as is his brother and the 2 McMahons --that was a major difference in that Antrim often spilled the ball in the tackle whereas Tyrone had the strength to hold the ball (when they were even tackled).
Tyrone are tops in Ulster for me and suit summer football like no other team up here. If they all stay fit another AI is not unrealistic
Conor McManus has been Monaghan's outstanding forward for about 18 months now, would not rule them out of Ulster.
Ronan Clarke surely is worth a mention in Armagh, and possible even Jamie Clarke in a super-sub role.
Agree with your assessment of Tyrone's forward line though, people seem to forget very quickly just how good Steven O'Neill and Owen Mulligan can be.
QuoteI know Tyrone pulled it out of the bag in 08 but it would be a bit much now. I would still be unconvinced they're the best team in Ulster. On their day I think Donegal or Down would rattle them and Armagh or Monaghan might too though the rest remain somewhat far behind.
You've contradicted yourself. If it takes one of the 4 teams you've mentioned to play at their best to rattle Tyrone then by the same argument Tyrone must be the best in Ulster!
If block is fit for the semi-final, what defender will make way? The cynic in me says it's obvious, Swift benched, Ricey named in the corner but will play half back, with block playing inside picking up the dangerman. Very harsh on Swift but that's the way it's going to be for me. Can't see beard dropping Davy. McCarron seen plenty of the ball when he came on. Can't remember red sean making an impact, will need to watch the full 70 again on tape.
Rattle = potentially beat. Goals won't come again as easily as they did yesterday.
Anyway I'm not anti tyrone or anything. I just think you'd be getting carried away to say they're the best in ulster and could win the AI just yet.
Sterner tests await.
------
Gold Mulligan, goal aside, fumbled nearly every ball into him yesterday. McMahon played as a spare man and won't get away with that again.
Cavanagh and O'Neill are the class players. Whether Dooher still has the legs remain to be seen. Brian McGuigan maybe can do a job. I remain unconvinced about Tommy McGuigan.
I must admit though I think Peter Harte will be a cracker of a player.
You are speaking like it's a Tyrone 05 or 08 team. It's 2010.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on May 24, 2010, 11:06:08 PM
If block is fit for the semi-final, what defender will make way? The cynic in me says it's obvious, Swift benched, Ricey named in the corner but will play half back, with block playing inside picking up the dangerman. Very harsh on Swift but that's the way it's going to be for me. Can't see beard dropping Davy. McCarron seen plenty of the ball when he came on. Can't remember red sean making an impact, will need to watch the full 70 again on tape.
Agree with that. Will be an interesting selection. Based on form it has to be Harte dropped but looks unlikely. Also think Ricey would be better suited to right half back at this stage than playing in the corner. Swift did well yesterday and deserves another go.
Tyrone had two Hartes, two McGuigans, two O'Neills, two Cavanaghs and two McMahons playing on Sunday.
Pat McEneaney discusses the hand pass rule
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onBxFkA_ETk
Have a feeling that Cork will flop this year. The pressure to win will be too much and they will never replicate the superhuman performance against Tyrone last year.
IMHO, I would think Mickey Harte and the Tyrone squad are very happy with where they're at after Sunday.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 25, 2010, 11:05:50 AM
IMHO, I would think Mickey Harte and the Tyrone squad are very happy with where they're at after Sunday.
I would agree with that. They got through but have work to do. Competition for places all over the pitch. If they had of hammered Antrim for the second half as well then the whole country would have them as AI winners. As it is they are in the next round without a lot fuss.
Didn't think Dooher would last the pace, and Mickey id exactly what I said he would, hall him off when he felt they had the game won. A good solid performance, the 1st half was class, but the second confirmed what we all know
Quote from: Man Marker on May 25, 2010, 12:50:02 PM
Didn't think Dooher would last the pace, and Mickey id exactly what I said he would, hall him off when he felt they had the game won. A good solid performance, the 1st half was class, but the second confirmed what we all know
Do you think he would have taken him off if they were getting beat?
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 25, 2010, 11:05:50 AM
IMHO, I would think Mickey Harte and the Tyrone squad are very happy with where they're at after Sunday.
That's my thinking too.
Look at it this way
Cork beat us well last summer and immediately afterwards quite a lot of players were deemed to have either flu, stomach bugs or playing with long term niggly injuries.
4 or 5 players went under the knife and so I think a decision might have been made to just cruise through the league and do the best we can but we need to rest up a lot until next July. Some of these players may be approaching the 30 mark & already have 2 or 3 AI medals so we can't take the old attitude of winning every game and staying at a high level for several months now.
Therefore hang in there til championship comes and do enough to get to an Ulster final. Then from July onwards is when the real matches begin.
Of course you could lose on the way to Donegal, Down, Armagh or Monaghan but its all about the 2nd half of the summer for players that no longer doubt themselves how to win big games.
So personally I'm more than happy after Sunday
Had we won by 10 or more we would have went into semi over confident with nothing to work on whereas now we've loads to work on
We have so many players that can play any position and so just cos yer name corner back or corner forward doesnt mean you'll stay there the whole game.
Its way to early to be talking about how we'd fair against Cork or Kerry but I think we've a stronger team than we had last year if everyone is fit and I'd probably prefer to meet Cork now in the AI semi or final rather than another boring Kerry game
::)
Quote from: Man Marker on May 25, 2010, 12:50:02 PM
Didn't think Dooher would last the pace, and Mickey id exactly what I said he would, hall him off when he felt they had the game won. A good solid performance, the 1st half was class, but the second confirmed what we all know
What do we all know?
Quote from: Zapatista on May 25, 2010, 02:38:03 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on May 25, 2010, 12:50:02 PM
Didn't think Dooher would last the pace, and Mickey id exactly what I said he would, hall him off when he felt they had the game won. A good solid performance, the 1st half was class, but the second confirmed what we all know
Do you think he would have taken him off if they were getting beat?
Yes, he would have, you can't put legs where they won't go anymore. Mickey called it right. Hopefully from our point of view his game time will get longer as he builds his fitness over the summer and stays injury free which is in gods hands, and i don't mean peter :D
Quote from: Take Your Points on May 25, 2010, 12:05:55 AM
I can recall all of the mocking we had to listen to about Armagh having to play the sweeper to protect the fullback.
Did we not see Joe McMahon play that role yesterday as he swept across the front of the full backs and tried to mop up the running men beating Harte and Jordan? Did we not see Penrose withdrawn to the defensive midfield area to protect the growing problem in defence, running around in a Marty O'Rourke role but not just as tenacious? How long over the 70 minutes did the Moy brothers disappear completley from the play?
Yet Tyrone still won. The terminal decline of a team cannot be halted unless there is a policy to introduce the new talent and let them make their own mistakes as they take over from the old guard. Tyrone will continue to win this season they will play in Croke Park but not in September as a safety first policy continues.
Whers all this new talent everybodys talkin about apart from peter harte how many will make it.As good as joey was in the match cj still scored 4pts of play from him.
One thing I would be worried about is fresh legs for midfield. Without Cassidy we've no one to spring from the bench. The best we can do is pull sean in and rearrange the forward line
Cassidy will prove to be a big loss as the season goes on.
Cassidey will be a big loss alright.
What concerns me most however is the lack of a proper CHF. I struggle to remember games where Sean Cav has started as a half forward and dominated games.
FF or MF = yes, no problem, but HF = no.
We need a bit more guile in the team. Brian McGuigan unfortunalely looks a player better suited to coming off the bench than starting. God knows what is up with Collie McCullough, brought back onto the panel after retiring and has barely touched leather. Is he injured? Unfit or does he just not fit into MH plans at present?
Hopefully Peter Harte will mature into what we need, but at the moment we're a bit stuck
Quote from: tyroneman on May 25, 2010, 07:14:41 PM
Cassidey will be a big loss alright.
What concerns me most however is the lack of a proper CHF. I struggle to remember games where Sean Cav has started as a half forward and dominated games.
FF or MF = yes, no problem, but HF = no.
We need a bit more guile in the team. Brian McGuigan unfortunalely looks a player better suited to coming off the bench than starting. God knows what is up with Collie McCullough, brought back onto the panel after retiring and has barely touched leather. Is he injured? Unfit or does he just not fit into MH plans at present?
Hopefully Peter Harte will mature into what we need, but at the moment we're a bit stuck
Agree with this point, I said earlier in the thread that our biggest weakness in 2009 was not having somebody in this role. Sean is a fantastic player and can be very effective in the half forward line but he isnt the man to link it all together like Brian McGuigan did in 2003 and 2005 and McCullagh in 2008. As you say we havent seen enough of McCullagh of late to know what his form and fitness are like. Brian McGuigan is a fantastic man to bring on to settle the team (2008 final being a classic example) but it would appear he will never be the same player as he was pre-injuries and as such is unlikely to fill the number 11 role and really dominate games as he did. Orangeman said earlier in the thread that Tommy was well capable of doing the job but whilst I rate him and feel he has plenty to offer we'd be looking for a big improvement for him to step up and take on that role. I dont see it. Too early for Peter Harte to do the job and Mulgrew isnt going to do it either. Coney might be an option in time but not yet for this role either. So more questions than answers.
Overall though some people are a bit too hasty in writing Tyrone off. There is an idea that its an old team on its last legs but for all these boys have plenty miles on the clock the class of 97/98 are only 29/30. One poster said this isnt the Tyrone team of 2008 but in many ways its potentially stronger. SON is back and Mugsy looks in better shape. The likes of Justy McMahon and Penrose are further established. There is another generation of talented players breaking onto the panel. The big questions are can Dooher reach the 2008 heights again and can we address the playmaker issue mentioned above. Id still be pretty hopeful that whatever happens these next few monthts that those posters who are writing this team's obit and expecting a few years in the wilderness for Tyrone will be proven wrong.
Quote from: Man Marker on May 25, 2010, 04:13:38 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 25, 2010, 02:38:03 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on May 25, 2010, 12:50:02 PM
Didn't think Dooher would last the pace, and Mickey id exactly what I said he would, hall him off when he felt they had the game won. A good solid performance, the 1st half was class, but the second confirmed what we all know
Do you think he would have taken him off if they were getting beat?
Yes, he would have, you can't put legs where they won't go anymore. Mickey called it right. Hopefully from our point of view his game time will get longer as he builds his fitness over the summer and stays injury free which is in gods hands, and i don't mean peter :D
Then the highlighted bit in your previous post means nothing if you thought he would hall him off either way.
Turning over a new leaf.
Tyrone are great and we're going to win the hape.
Don't see how it is too early for Pete Harte to be tried at 11. He is the same age as Sean C was in 2003 and we all know how that faired out! Let him at it I say.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 26, 2010, 11:22:37 AM
Don't see how it is too early for Pete Harte to be tried at 11. He is the same age as Sean C was in 2003 and we all know how that faired out! Let him at it I say.
I was thinking that myself EC, he showed glimpses the other day of what he can do around the CHF spot, he would have the creativity and skill for the role.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 26, 2010, 11:22:37 AM
Don't see how it is too early for Pete Harte to be tried at 11. He is the same age as Sean C was in 2003 and we all know how that faired out! Let him at it I say.
Cavanagh wasnt just pitched in at midfield once the 2003 championship was underway though. He had championship experience from the previous summer and had been excelling at midfield through the 2003 league. Midfield isnt quite the same anyway, we're talking about a position through pretty much all the play would go. Even Brian McGuigan, Tyrone's best player in that role in a long long time, didnt go straight into that playmaking role and make it his own in his first season with the senior team, he had time on the panel first and played different roles before nailing down his place at CHF.
Im all for giving Harte plenty of game time this summer but its not realistic to expect him go to CHF and become the pivot this summer.
What has been impressive about Peter Harte any time I've seen him is his direct running at speed and the confidence he has shown to break tackles. He's a great option from the bench and if Dooher wasn't fit I'd have no fear in seeing him start. A more exciting prospect than any other newcomer on that squad right now.
I have been impressed with his direct running and ability to break tackles. Appears to be a right an strong lad.
One particular incident that impressed me was during the Cork game he chased after a lost cause of a ball round right HB position beat his man who had at least a four yard head start and won a free ,which after being taken, ended up with Ryan Mellon scoring a goal.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 26, 2010, 06:56:56 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 26, 2010, 11:22:37 AM
Don't see how it is too early for Pete Harte to be tried at 11. He is the same age as Sean C was in 2003 and we all know how that faired out! Let him at it I say.
Cavanagh wasnt just pitched in at midfield once the 2003 championship was underway though. He had championship experience from the previous summer and had been excelling at midfield through the 2003 league. Midfield isnt quite the same anyway, we're talking about a position through pretty much all the play would go. Even Brian McGuigan, Tyrone's best player in that role in a long long time, didnt go straight into that playmaking role and make it his own in his first season with the senior team, he had time on the panel first and played different roles before nailing down his place at CHF.
Im all for giving Harte plenty of game time this summer but its not realistic to expect him go to CHF and become the pivot this summer.
Some players thrive at being thrown in at the deep end. I think he is one of those. It would be a gamble but one worth taking in my opinion.
I would't be too concerned about Pete Harte being started, there's a rare assuredness about him that belies his tender years, but I'd trust MH to handle it the right way.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 26, 2010, 11:47:12 PM
I would't be too concerned about Pete Harte being started, there's a rare assuredness about him that belies his tender years, but I'd trust MH to handle it the right way.
Ricey was interviewed on Newstalk today and singled Harte out for a big future. I'd be happy to wait on him.
Mugsy's goal
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/tyrone-gaa-tv/