This decade saw 2 first time winners of Sam (Armagh and Tyrone) and the 90's saw 2 also (Derry and Donegal). I think the last new winner of Liam was Offaly in '81.
So, will there be another new winner any time soon. I doubt there will be one in hurling, but as for football, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Sligo, Laois or Westmeath are the only team probably capable of getting to the latter stages.
Will there ever be another first time winner?
I think Antrim and Wicklow, given their populations, are better long term bets than some of the counties that you've named there. As much as I'd like to see them do it, I can't ever see Fermanagh assembling a team capable of going all the way with the size of their playing base.
We'll be waiting a while I think.
Sligo will win Sam within the next 15yrs. Im sure when we do budweiser will repost this ;).
Fermanagh should of got into a AI FINAL in this decade IMO so I wouldnt write them off.
Monaghan are very close. They have had unbelievable bad luck of the draw in the Qualifiers. Perhaps they may have missed their chance, but then again perhaps they still have enough left to go the whole way.
In 1999 the only signifier for Tyrone was the '97/'98 minor sides. The senior side were very average. Wouldn't have been too confident of an All-Ireland within 10 years. Armagh had just won their first Ulster in 100 years in '99 and coupled with the Cross achievements then an All-Ireland was distinctly predictable.
Laois, Monaghan, Sligo, Fermanagh, Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford, Clare, Carlow, Kilkenny, Longford, Westmeath and Wicklow.
Laois reached U21 final in 2006 and the minors won in 2003. In the immediate future they represent a best bet, yet very slim at that. Winning a Leinster would be an achievement.
I think Monaghan (present side) are on the wane.
With regards to the above comments, niether Fermanagh nor Monaghan will win Sam anytime soon as they just dont have they players. Both teams have improved in recent years due to the employment of extreme defensive systems but in reality neither have even won Ulster with the current panels. Its no secret that Banty has searched far and wide for new players whilst Fermanagh have had problems with finding a decent free taker in recent years and also a couple of scoring forwards.
As for Monaghan not having any luck in the qualifiers, that's rubbish - Niether Tyrone last year nor Kerry this year who both came through the qualifiers needed luck. Its all about class and qaulity. Good teams make thier own luk.
Definatley Antrim for me a team to watch out for in the future. A good young squad a result of a lot of work being done at grass roots, do'nt know if it will end up with an AI though
QuoteWill there ever be another first time winner?
In both codes the answer is yes. Of course there will be other winners eventually.
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 02, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
As for Monaghan not having any luck in the qualifiers, that's rubbish - Niether Tyrone last year nor Kerry this year who both came through the qualifiers needed luck. Its all about class and qaulity. Good teams make thier own luk.
Fair enough, but if Monaghan had faced Longford, Sligo and Antrim in this year's qualifiers, they would have been odds-on to progress to the quarter-finals. They would also have had a good chance of beating Dublin, and maybe even Meath in the semi-final. :o
Quote from: cornafean on October 02, 2009, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 02, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
As for Monaghan not having any luck in the qualifiers, that's rubbish - Niether Tyrone last year nor Kerry this year who both came through the qualifiers needed luck. Its all about class and qaulity. Good teams make thier own luk.
Fair enough, but if Monaghan had faced Longford, Sligo and Antrim in this year's qualifiers, they would have been odds-on to progress to the quarter-finals. They would also have had a good chance of beating Dublin, and maybe even Meath in the semi-final. :o
Correct. No one is saying that about Monaghan and luck. What was said was that they have had "bad luck of the draw" ! Which is true. No county has had to face such strong opposition in the qualifers as often as Monaghan has
Laois or Antrim imo. Monaghan I think have overachieved (to their credit) recently but being hard to beat/ break down alone won't win you the AI.
I like Antrim/St Gall's style of football.
No hope I'm afraid for Longford, Leitrim, Westmeath or Wicklow for a while yet.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
Sligo will win Sam within the next 15yrs. Im sure when we do budweiser will repost this ;).
Fermanagh should of got into a AI FINAL in this decade IMO so I wouldnt write them off.
2024 it is so for you to win Sam at least once. I'll mark that down somewhere. Dublin have 3 years to win Liam McCarthy because my cousin told me 7 years ago that Dublin would win one in the next decade!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 02, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
Sligo will win Sam within the next 15yrs. Im sure when we do budweiser will repost this ;).
Fermanagh should of got into a AI FINAL in this decade IMO so I wouldnt write them off.
2024 it is so for you to win Sam at least once. I'll mark that down somewhere. Dublin have 3 years to win Liam McCarthy because my cousin told me 7 years ago that Dublin would win one in the next decade!
No worries Farrandeelin, we are going to do it.
Well lads last yr Sligo didnt exactly get easy ride in the draw, Tipp in Tipp and Kerry in Kerry.
I think Sligo might be next. They beat the '03 chamions in '02 and came closest to beating the '09 champions (in the c'ship proper).
If Brian Cody and Kilkenny get bored of winning hurling All-Irelands and switch to concentrating 100% on football instead I'm sure they'd win one before long as well. Tommy Walsh would become the new Ryan McMenamin!
Going by population Wicklow.
Sligo will do well to win another Connacht title in the next 15 years let alone an All-Ireland. Christ Galway may not even win all All-Ireland in the next 15 years. That's just the way these things go. History has taught us that much.
I wish I had the optimism of some of our neighbours. I think we're a pessimistic breed down here. :(
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 02, 2009, 05:00:33 PM
Sligo will do well to win another Connacht title in the next 15 years let alone an All-Ireland. Christ Galway may not even win all All-Ireland in the next 15 years. That's just the way these things go. History has taught us that much.
I wish I had the optimism of some of our neighbours. I think we're a pessimistic breed down here. :(
I think there's been a lack of confidence in those parts ever since Cromwell's immortal words.
Since Offaly ending the 5 in a row, only Armagh have won an AI with less than 100,000 to work with. A recent discussion of football mentioned that Kerry and Tyrone had kept Cork and Dublin down, places with large populations. Places with an even smaller population than Armagh have a huge task, Laois might have made it, but are going off the boil now.
The most we can hope for is that someone who hasn't won for years to come through and Mayo and Kildare should be strong contention.
Quote from: ONeill on October 02, 2009, 01:44:44 PM
In 1999 the only signifier for Tyrone was the '97/'98 minor sides. The senior side were very average. Wouldn't have been too confident of an All-Ireland within 10 years. Armagh had just won their first Ulster in 100 years in '99 and coupled with the Cross achievements then an All-Ireland was distinctly predictable.
Laois, Monaghan, Sligo, Fermanagh, Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford, Clare, Carlow, Kilkenny, Longford, Westmeath and Wicklow.
Laois reached U21 final in 2006 and the minors won in 2003. In the immediate future they represent a best bet, yet very slim at that. Winning a Leinster would be an achievement.
I think Monaghan (present side) are on the wane.
Laois won minor All Ireland titles in '96/'97 and also lost a U/21 final to Kerry in '98 I think but not sure,on top of minor Leinsters in 96,97,98 and U/21 Leinsters in '94/'98 ,that group of players only won one Leinster senior Championship so what makes you think this group of players is gonna be anything other than failures when it comes to senior level ?
The Laois senior team of '03 to '05 was the best we ever had and was our best chance of winning All Ireland,out ship has sailed and Elvis has left the building I'm afraid........
Quote from: blanketattack on October 02, 2009, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 02, 2009, 05:00:33 PM
Sligo will do well to win another Connacht title in the next 15 years let alone an All-Ireland. Christ Galway may not even win all All-Ireland in the next 15 years. That's just the way these things go. History has taught us that much.
I wish I had the optimism of some of our neighbours. I think we're a pessimistic breed down here. :(
I think there's been a lack of confidence in those parts ever since Cromwell's immortal words.
No Confidence problem with me.
GBB history has taught me to ignore it completely ;. It means nothing.
Also 2000 to 2010 was our must competitive and successful decade ever IMO. I expect us to have a serious year next yr.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 07:26:17 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 02, 2009, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 02, 2009, 05:00:33 PM
Sligo will do well to win another Connacht title in the next 15 years let alone an All-Ireland. Christ Galway may not even win all All-Ireland in the next 15 years. That's just the way these things go. History has taught us that much.
I wish I had the optimism of some of our neighbours. I think we're a pessimistic breed down here. :(
I think there's been a lack of confidence in those parts ever since Cromwell's immortal words.
No Confidence problem with me.
GBB history has taught me to ignore it completely ;. It means nothing.
Also 2000 to 2010 was our must competitive and successful decade ever IMO. I expect us to have a serious year next yr.
Aye Sligonian but I would expect you to say that every year to be honest. Nothing wrong with confidence but there is a thin line between confidence and delusion.
No harm in it though. I'm probably too pragmatic for my own good.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 02, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 07:26:17 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 02, 2009, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 02, 2009, 05:00:33 PM
Sligo will do well to win another Connacht title in the next 15 years let alone an All-Ireland. Christ Galway may not even win all All-Ireland in the next 15 years. That's just the way these things go. History has taught us that much.
I wish I had the optimism of some of our neighbours. I think we're a pessimistic breed down here. :(
I think there's been a lack of confidence in those parts ever since Cromwell's immortal words.
No Confidence problem with me.
GBB history has taught me to ignore it completely ;. It means nothing.
Also 2000 to 2010 was our must competitive and successful decade ever IMO. I expect us to have a serious year next yr.
Aye Sligonian but I would expect you to say that every year to be honest. Nothing wrong with confidence but there is a thin line between confidence and delusion.
No harm in it though. I'm probably too pragmatic for my own good.
I dont think ive predicted Sligo winning Sam before GBB. The Sligo players believed we would beat Kerry in Kerry last yr you know, and alot of people well everyone outside of the county would think thats delusion and some inside but its wasnt quite so unrealistic.
Im well aware alot of things have to fall into place for this things to happen. Every 3 to 4 yrs we produce a group of outstanding players, also our players seem to develop to there potential well after underage which is why we havent had success there in a long time. No harm believing in ourselves and its alot better than negativity and believing in Limitations. Kerry are humans and made of the same stuff as our lads except in the mind. 15 yrs is a long time aswell ;).
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 02, 2009, 05:00:33 PM
Sligo will do well to win another Connacht title in the next 15 years let alone an All-Ireland. Christ Galway may not even win all All-Ireland in the next 15 years. That's just the way these things go. History has taught us that much.
I wish I had the optimism of some of our neighbours. I think we're a pessimistic breed down here. :(
So I assume you're leaving it to us then GBB! ;)
I can see a new football team doing it in the next decade and it would be fantastic whoever it is ... but hurling ..not a hope, no-one who has never won it within 20 points at the minute. I suppose the best to hope for would be Dubs, last win was 1938 or Waterford without that amadan Davy Fitz.
For Sam i think
Antrim ( playing population and better underage structure now)
Laois ( have had great underage structures the last 15 years, so if they continue this they will always have a chance)
Wicklow ( not the current team as no good underage teams coming through, but with the increasing pop have a future chance).
Monaghan maybe, seem to have a good team every 15-20 years
for Liam
Antrim but they have always been the next team, and they even seem to be going back
QuoteSligo will win Sam within the next 15yrs. Im sure when we do budweiser will repost this .
What we would give, if only once, we could win the Sam Maguire,
We have tried for more than one hundred years, but still we never tire.
It's been a hard ould slog on the training fields in the cold and wet and dark,
While hoping that when september comes, we might make it to Croke Park.
Sometimes hopes rise, 'this could be our year', we've been saying that for years,
Then we reach the quarter finals and it all ends in tears.
But we'll carry on, we'll try again, we never will give up,
too many men have gave too much to try and win that cup.
And when we do I hope I'm there with all my friends to see,
The stewards being instructed to operate Plan B.
The most likely thing to happen though, is we will fail once more,
To a B rate team like Sligo, by a single frigging score.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on October 03, 2009, 09:05:05 AM
QuoteSligo will win Sam within the next 15yrs. Im sure when we do budweiser will repost this .
What we would give, if only once, we could win the Sam Maguire,
We have tried for more than one hundred years, but still we never tire.
It's been a hard ould slog on the training fields in the cold and wet and dark,
While hoping that when september comes, we might make it to Croke Park.
Sometimes hopes rise, 'this could be our year', we've been saying that for years,
Then we reach the quarter finals and it all ends in tears.
But we'll carry on, we'll try again, we never will give up,
too many men have gave too much to try and win that cup.
And when we do I hope I'm there with all my friends to see,
The stewards being instructed to operate Plan B.
The most likely thing to happen though, is we will fail once more,
To a B rate team like Sligo, by a single frigging score.
Very good, pretty much the way I see it happening, from that day on a B rate team we will be no more. :)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 02, 2009, 06:16:47 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 02, 2009, 01:44:44 PM
In 1999 the only signifier for Tyrone was the '97/'98 minor sides. The senior side were very average. Wouldn't have been too confident of an All-Ireland within 10 years. Armagh had just won their first Ulster in 100 years in '99 and coupled with the Cross achievements then an All-Ireland was distinctly predictable.
Laois, Monaghan, Sligo, Fermanagh, Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford, Clare, Carlow, Kilkenny, Longford, Westmeath and Wicklow.
Laois reached U21 final in 2006 and the minors won in 2003. In the immediate future they represent a best bet, yet very slim at that. Winning a Leinster would be an achievement.
I think Monaghan (present side) are on the wane.
so what makes you think this group of players is gonna be anything other than failures when it comes to senior level ?
Erm, did you actually read what I wrote?