This doesn't appear to be gaining widespread media coverage up here (unlike say a Hunger Strike commemoration at a GAA ground) but just to make you all aware. The other night two young soccer teams (average age 12) from Ardoyne and Short Strand (both nationalist areas of Belfast) met in a friendly game at the only available venue, Victoria Park in East Belfast. When the natives got wind of this a crowd gathered and wrecked one of the mininbuses and heaped torrents of sectarian abuse on young kids. >:(
Have you heard the condemnation from Mr Mc Causland? Me neither.
Incidentally Victoria Park is near the peoposed location of the new North of Ireland soccer stadium. And they claim to attract catholic support? >:(
It was reported on Radio Ulster this morning, and they had one of the guys involved in the team on speaking about it.
Compare these
(http://www.whoslending.co.uk/images/apples-alt.jpg)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~remanski/oranges.jpg)
Tony has a point.
Tony has a very valid point. If a "protestant" soccer team had their bus stoned driving through a nationalist area there would be uproar and given the fact that this incident happened near the proposed stadium shows a serios lack of insight into the planners of the said stadium. It is time for people to take the blinkers off and stop seeing it through the eyes of the Unioinist organised media.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 28, 2009, 09:37:49 AM
Tony has a point.
Has usual he has a point but taints it by trying to link it into totally unrelated issues .
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
This doesn't appear to be gaining widespread media coverage up here (unlike say a Hunger Strike commemoration at a GAA ground) but just to make you all aware. The other night two young soccer teams (average age 12) from Ardoyne and Short Strand (both nationalist areas of Belfast) met in a friendly game at the only available venue, Victoria Park in East Belfast. When the natives got wind of this a crowd gathered and wrecked one of the mininbuses and heaped torrents of sectarian abuse on young kids. >:(
Let me see. Some people in other parts of East Belfast don't like the people in the Short Strand. Wow! Next you'll be telling me that there are people in the Short Strand who don't like people in the rest of East Belfast.
Where have you been living for the last 40 years, eh?
As for the lack of "widespread media coverage" which you claim, notwithstanding the despicable nature of such an incident, what is really new or newsworthy about (relatively) low-level sectarian disturbances in NI? I mean to say, were there eg masked men with replica weapons in attendance? Or possibly, say, several of NI's best known political figures?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Have you heard the condemnation from Mr Mc Causland? Me neither.
Have you heard McCausland
refuse to condemn it? Do you know whether he is even
aware of this incident? Given the lack of "widespread media coverage", has it occurred to you that no journalist has yet bothered to ask him for his views?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Incidentally Victoria Park is near the peoposed location of the new North of Ireland soccer stadium. And they claim to attract catholic support? >:(
Re the proposed new NI football stadium, the site to which you refer (Blanchflower Park) is not anyones preferred location (bar one developer with a financial interest in BP). Oh, and Victoria Park is actually closer to the Odyssey than it is to BP. Presumably that is because the Belfast Giants don't want Catholic support, either...
P.S. Back in the real world, I recently came across one small item of soccer news which also received little media coverage. When Paddy Kelly, a stalwart of Donegal Celtic FC from the heart of Nationalist West Belfast was awarded a testimonial, guess which club provided the opposition? A Glentoran "Legends" team, no less. Yep, that's Glentoran FC from the heart of Loyalist East Belfast, just up the road from Victoria Park in fact.
Amazing, really. I suppose next someone will be claiming that the Glens frequently field as many Catholic players as Protestant, including even well-known GAA players - as if that could ever happen! ::)
http://www.dc-fc.com/news_story.php?ID=272
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dual-dilemma-cannot-hide-mccabes-impact-1432202.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/mccarthy-was-first-soccer-and-gaa-star-13913011.html
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 28, 2009, 09:41:09 AM
Tony has a very valid point. If a "protestant" soccer team had their bus stoned driving through a nationalist area there would be uproar and given the fact that this incident happened near the proposed stadium shows a serios lack of insight into the planners of the said stadium. It is time for people to take the blinkers off and stop seeing it through the eyes of the Unioinist organised media.
Actually, it is a regular occurrence after NI internationals for cars carrying supporters to be stoned when passing through Nationalist areas, most notably the Markets or the Westway etc.
I myself was on a chartered fans bus which was pelted when swinging round into Boucher Road before a game, presumably by "concerned local residents".
Such events never receive police attention, never mind any media attention.
Perhaps I should compose an anti-GAA rant on the back of it and start posting it on websites, or firing it off in letters to the local newspapers? After all, they'd be sure to print it, seeing as they're all part of the "Unionist media conspiracy" which means they never include any contribution from Nationalist readers etc. ::)
QuoteSuch events never receive police attention, never mind any media attention.
Well media attention will only be on the basis of selling advertising, so I'm not sure it should be a gauge of anything, other than cynicism. It's very poor form (irrespective of who they are) that kids (or indeed folk of any age) playing football, of any code, should be subjected to this barbarism.
I often wonder who makes the call on whether an event like this will raise enough hackles to get people to buy a paper/watch the news/log on to a website, in enough numbers to keep the advertisers happy.
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
This doesn't appear to be gaining widespread media coverage up here (unlike say a Hunger Strike commemoration at a GAA ground) but just to make you all aware. The other night two young soccer teams (average age 12) from Ardoyne and Short Strand (both nationalist areas of Belfast) met in a friendly game at the only available venue, Victoria Park in East Belfast. When the natives got wind of this a crowd gathered and wrecked one of the mininbuses and heaped torrents of sectarian abuse on young kids. >:(
Let me see. Some people in other parts of East Belfast don't like the people in the Short Strand. Wow! Next you'll be telling me that there are people in the Short Strand who don't like people in the rest of East Belfast.
Where have you been living for the last 40 years, eh?
As for the lack of "widespread media coverage" which you claim, notwithstanding the despicable nature of such an incident, what is really new or newsworthy about (relatively) low-level sectarian disturbances in NI? I mean to say, were there eg masked men with replica weapons in attendance? Or possibly, say, several of NI's best known political figures?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Have you heard the condemnation from Mr Mc Causland? Me neither.
Have you heard McCausland refuse to condemn it? Do you know whether he is even aware of this incident? Given the lack of "widespread media coverage", has it occurred to you that no journalist has yet bothered to ask him for his views?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Incidentally Victoria Park is near the peoposed location of the new North of Ireland soccer stadium. And they claim to attract catholic support? >:(
Re the proposed new NI football stadium, the site to which you refer (Blanchflower Park) is not anyones preferred location (bar one developer with a financial interest in BP). Oh, and Victoria Park is actually closer to the Odyssey than it is to BP. Presumably that is because the Belfast Giants don't want Catholic support, either...
P.S. Back in the real world, I recently came across one small item of soccer news which also received little media coverage. When Paddy Kelly, a stalwart of Donegal Celtic FC from the heart of Nationalist West Belfast was awarded a testimonial, guess which club provided the opposition? A Glentoran "Legends" team, no less. Yep, that's Glentoran FC from the heart of Loyalist East Belfast, just up the road from Victoria Park in fact.
Amazing, really. I suppose next someone will be claiming that the Glens frequently field as many Catholic players as Protestant, including even well-known GAA players - as if that could ever happen! ::)
http://www.dc-fc.com/news_story.php?ID=272
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dual-dilemma-cannot-hide-mccabes-impact-1432202.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/mccarthy-was-first-soccer-and-gaa-star-13913011.html
o jeezuz
a usually large link punctuated piece to try and sidetrack away and equalise here
it was soccer thugs wrecking things for 12 year olds match.
contrastingly different perspective and rant than what you were trying to imply on the GAA (and the weird yet peaceful commemoration at galbally)
yer empty content again fools no one. showing your true colours again. sickening.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 28, 2009, 10:51:55 AM
QuoteSuch events never receive police attention, never mind any media attention.
Well media attention will only be on the basis of selling advertising, so I'm not sure it should be a gauge of anything, other than cynicism. It's very poor form (irrespective of who they are) that kids (or indeed folk of any age) playing football, of any code, should be subjected to this barbarism.
I often wonder who makes the call on whether an event like this will raise enough hackles to get people to buy a paper/watch the news/log on to a website, in enough numbers to keep the advertisers happy.
Media attention is NOT only on the basis of selling advertising - otherwise no paper would ever print anything remotely controversial which might upset some of their advertisers.
The fact , however, that they do regularly print such stories (in fact, they go out looking for them) is because "news" attracts readers to buy their newspaper.
Sadly, however, such is the state of NI that even despicable acts like these are so commonplace ("Dog Bites Man"), that they are not considered to be newsworthy ("Man Bites Dog").
Either that or it's all part of the great "Unionist Media Conspiracy"... ::)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 28, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
o jeezuz
a usually large link punctuated piece to try and sidetrack away and equalise here
it was soccer thugs wrecking things for 12 year olds match.
contrastingly different perspective and rant than what you were trying to imply on the GAA (and the weird yet peaceful commemoration at galbally)
yer empty content again fools no one. showing your true colours again. sickening.
No attempt to "equalise" or "sidetrack" in anything I posted.
For the record, I condemned the events at Galbally GAC, just as I condemn the events in Victoria Park.
I only added my other comments in order to rebut Fearon's (typically prejudiced) attempt to "spin" the events at VP and also to explain the relative lack of media coverage over VP with that of Galbally (remember, the organisers of Galbally actively sought publicity, the hoods at VP did not).
Meanwhile, you intervene as usual to conduct an
ad hominem attack on me, without any attempt to address or rebut the points I made (other than the usual parrot-squawks).
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Have you heard the condemnation from Mr Mc Causland? Me neither.
Have you heard McCausland refuse to condemn it? Do you know whether he is even aware of this incident? Given the lack of "widespread media coverage", has it occurred to you that no journalist has yet bothered to ask him for his views?
McCausland as Minister for CAL should have made a statement on this matter, your sad attempt at trying to justify his silence proves you to be the blinkered donkey we all suspected.
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 28, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
o jeezuz
a usually large link punctuated piece to try and sidetrack away and equalise here
it was soccer thugs wrecking things for 12 year olds match.
contrastingly different perspective and rant than what you were trying to imply on the GAA (and the weird yet peaceful commemoration at galbally)
yer empty content again fools no one. showing your true colours again. sickening.
No attempt to "equalise" or "sidetrack" in anything I posted.
For the record, I condemned the events at Galbally GAC, just as I condemn the events in Victoria Park.
I only added my other comments in order to rebut Fearon's (typically prejudiced) attempt to "spin" the events at VP and also to explain the relative lack of media coverage over VP with that of Galbally (remember, the organisers of Galbally actively sought publicity, the hoods at VP did not).
Meanwhile, you intervene as usual to conduct an ad hominem attack on me, without any attempt to address or rebut the points I made (other than the usual parrot-squawks).
'your points' - you post virtually nothing of contextual value on threads, though it is constructed well !
if you were not so incorrect in the stuff you post I wouldnt comment (as in I somewhat agre with you on the celtic thread) - so this 'attack on poor me' girly stuff is an amusing whinge !
anyhow your equalising/defending and not coming out with huge outcry as you do if you think you can get a dig in at the GAA is conspicuous!
true colors and all that.
soccer for all right ? ::)
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:26:49 AM
Actually, it is a regular occurrence after NI internationals for cars carrying supporters to be stoned when passing through Nationalist areas, most notably the Markets or the Westway etc
From the man who loves to back everything up- Your missing a link or evidence EG. Quit the equalising- if the shoe was on the other foot Im sure you'd be on the 10th page.
Disgusting attack by scum on innocent children. Nelson has limited knowledge of sports though so maybe he does not know of these teams existence and cannot comment,
Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 28, 2009, 11:45:12 AM
Disgusting attack by scum on innocent children. Nelson has limited knowledge of sports though so maybe he does not know of these teams existence and cannot comment,
Yet and all is able to quote from the GAA rule book a mere couple of hours after an event in Galbally, no sorry he may be more interested in his "makey uppy" language then sport, but he has advisors and his silence on this matter is disgusting and very enlightening! Also these events took place on council owned property another reason there should be a statement.
As for the lack of media coverage, are we really that surprised at this stage?
McCausland, like most Unionist political vocal critics of the GAA, have a beneficial interest in fanning reasons for hate and intolerance of the Nationalist community.
However, it never ceases to amaze me how so called educated people, jump on that particular bandwagon of ignorance.
Quote from: boojangles on August 28, 2009, 11:31:47 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:26:49 AM
Actually, it is a regular occurrence after NI internationals for cars carrying supporters to be stoned when passing through Nationalist areas, most notably the Markets or the Westway etc
From the man who loves to back everything up- Your missing a link or evidence EG. Quit the equalising- if the shoe was on the other foot Im sure you'd be on the 10th page.
There is no evidence, since like so many other "low-level" anti-social events in NI, neither the PSNI nor the Media appear to give a stuff about it.
But it has happened to me and enough of my friends for me to know that it occurs.
P.S. I suppose I could reproduce here some of the multiple posts complaining about it which appear on OWC, but I don't suppose you'd accept such accounts as being reliable...
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 12:48:36 PM
Quote from: boojangles on August 28, 2009, 11:31:47 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:26:49 AM
Actually, it is a regular occurrence after NI internationals for cars carrying supporters to be stoned when passing through Nationalist areas, most notably the Markets or the Westway etc
From the man who loves to back everything up- Your missing a link or evidence EG. Quit the equalising- if the shoe was on the other foot Im sure you'd be on the 10th page.
There is no evidence, since like so many other "low-level" anti-social events in NI, neither the PSNI nor the Media appear to give a stuff about it.
But it has happened to me and enough of my friends for me to know that it occurs.
P.S. I suppose I could reproduce here some of the multiple posts complaining about it which appear on OWC, but I don't suppose you'd accept such accounts as being reliable...
You should, as the likes of myself is banned.
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 12:48:36 PM
Quote from: boojangles on August 28, 2009, 11:31:47 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:26:49 AM
Actually, it is a regular occurrence after NI internationals for cars carrying supporters to be stoned when passing through Nationalist areas, most notably the Markets or the Westway etc
From the man who loves to back everything up- Your missing a link or evidence EG. Quit the equalising- if the shoe was on the other foot Im sure you'd be on the 10th page.
There is no evidence, since like so many other "low-level" anti-social events in NI, neither the PSNI nor the Media appear to give a stuff about it.
But it has happened to me and enough of my friends for me to know that it occurs.
P.S. I suppose I could reproduce here some of the multiple posts complaining about it which appear on OWC, but I don't suppose you'd accept such accounts as being reliable...
Your just paranoid EG. I have never been on OWC,I have nothing against NI soccer,Im sure most of the supporters are decent but I don't see the point of going on to a Board to discuss topics which have no real relevance or interest to me.
Report on the UTV site.
http://u.tv/News/Youths-attacked-by-sectarian-mob/47909c47-9dee-4591-b20a-5ea767619e60
Youths attacked by sectarian mob
The manager of a Catholic football team has spoken out after his teenage players came under attack from a sectarian mob in east Belfast.
The windows of their bus were stoned and they were verablly abused as they tried to leave the football grounds at Victoria Park.
The under-15 football team had been playing a friendly match against another team from Ardoyne on Wednesday night.
The east Belfast pitch was the only venue available, but the Short Strand team felt safe playing there because thay had used it before without incident.
As the match was being played a group of older teenagers began to gather at the sidelines.
When the two teams finished the game and tried to reach their buses, which were parked outside the grounds, the vehicles were attacked.
No one was hurt in the incident, but the bus was badly damaged.
Police have confirmed that they are investigating the incident and they say a sectarian motive is one line of inquiry.
The youth club organisers say it will cost £1000 to fix the damage
There is also a video of the story
http://u.tv/utvplayer/UTV-Live-Football-team-attacked/124805/101992/47909c47-9dee-4591-b20a-5ea767619e60
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 28, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
This doesn't appear to be gaining widespread media coverage up here (unlike say a Hunger Strike commemoration at a GAA ground) but just to make you all aware. The other night two young soccer teams (average age 12) from Ardoyne and Short Strand (both nationalist areas of Belfast) met in a friendly game at the only available venue, Victoria Park in East Belfast. When the natives got wind of this a crowd gathered and wrecked one of the mininbuses and heaped torrents of sectarian abuse on young kids. >:(
Let me see. Some people in other parts of East Belfast don't like the people in the Short Strand. Wow! Next you'll be telling me that there are people in the Short Strand who don't like people in the rest of East Belfast.
Where have you been living for the last 40 years, eh?
As for the lack of "widespread media coverage" which you claim, notwithstanding the despicable nature of such an incident, what is really new or newsworthy about (relatively) low-level sectarian disturbances in NI? I mean to say, were there eg masked men with replica weapons in attendance? Or possibly, say, several of NI's best known political figures?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Have you heard the condemnation from Mr Mc Causland? Me neither.
Have you heard McCausland refuse to condemn it? Do you know whether he is even aware of this incident? Given the lack of "widespread media coverage", has it occurred to you that no journalist has yet bothered to ask him for his views?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Incidentally Victoria Park is near the peoposed location of the new North of Ireland soccer stadium. And they claim to attract catholic support? >:(
Re the proposed new NI football stadium, the site to which you refer (Blanchflower Park) is not anyones preferred location (bar one developer with a financial interest in BP). Oh, and Victoria Park is actually closer to the Odyssey than it is to BP. Presumably that is because the Belfast Giants don't want Catholic support, either...
P.S. Back in the real world, I recently came across one small item of soccer news which also received little media coverage. When Paddy Kelly, a stalwart of Donegal Celtic FC from the heart of Nationalist West Belfast was awarded a testimonial, guess which club provided the opposition? A Glentoran "Legends" team, no less. Yep, that's Glentoran FC from the heart of Loyalist East Belfast, just up the road from Victoria Park in fact.
Amazing, really. I suppose next someone will be claiming that the Glens frequently field as many Catholic players as Protestant, including even well-known GAA players - as if that could ever happen! ::)
http://www.dc-fc.com/news_story.php?ID=272
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dual-dilemma-cannot-hide-mccabes-impact-1432202.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/mccarthy-was-first-soccer-and-gaa-star-13913011.html
o jeezuz
a usually large link punctuated piece to try and sidetrack away and equalise here
it was soccer thugs wrecking things for 12 year olds match.
contrastingly different perspective and rant than what you were trying to imply on the GAA (and the weird yet peaceful commemoration at galbally)
yer empty content again fools no one. showing your true colours again. sickening.
As far as I can see it was sectarian scumbags attacking some young lads playing football.
"Soccer thugs"? Do you call people who would attack gaelic footballers "Gaelic games thugs"? ???
Quote from: MW on August 31, 2009, 01:21:37 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 28, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
This doesn't appear to be gaining widespread media coverage up here (unlike say a Hunger Strike commemoration at a GAA ground) but just to make you all aware. The other night two young soccer teams (average age 12) from Ardoyne and Short Strand (both nationalist areas of Belfast) met in a friendly game at the only available venue, Victoria Park in East Belfast. When the natives got wind of this a crowd gathered and wrecked one of the mininbuses and heaped torrents of sectarian abuse on young kids. >:(
Let me see. Some people in other parts of East Belfast don't like the people in the Short Strand. Wow! Next you'll be telling me that there are people in the Short Strand who don't like people in the rest of East Belfast.
Where have you been living for the last 40 years, eh?
As for the lack of "widespread media coverage" which you claim, notwithstanding the despicable nature of such an incident, what is really new or newsworthy about (relatively) low-level sectarian disturbances in NI? I mean to say, were there eg masked men with replica weapons in attendance? Or possibly, say, several of NI's best known political figures?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Have you heard the condemnation from Mr Mc Causland? Me neither.
Have you heard McCausland refuse to condemn it? Do you know whether he is even aware of this incident? Given the lack of "widespread media coverage", has it occurred to you that no journalist has yet bothered to ask him for his views?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 28, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
Incidentally Victoria Park is near the peoposed location of the new North of Ireland soccer stadium. And they claim to attract catholic support? >:(
Re the proposed new NI football stadium, the site to which you refer (Blanchflower Park) is not anyones preferred location (bar one developer with a financial interest in BP). Oh, and Victoria Park is actually closer to the Odyssey than it is to BP. Presumably that is because the Belfast Giants don't want Catholic support, either...
P.S. Back in the real world, I recently came across one small item of soccer news which also received little media coverage. When Paddy Kelly, a stalwart of Donegal Celtic FC from the heart of Nationalist West Belfast was awarded a testimonial, guess which club provided the opposition? A Glentoran "Legends" team, no less. Yep, that's Glentoran FC from the heart of Loyalist East Belfast, just up the road from Victoria Park in fact.
Amazing, really. I suppose next someone will be claiming that the Glens frequently field as many Catholic players as Protestant, including even well-known GAA players - as if that could ever happen! ::)
http://www.dc-fc.com/news_story.php?ID=272
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dual-dilemma-cannot-hide-mccabes-impact-1432202.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/mccarthy-was-first-soccer-and-gaa-star-13913011.html
o jeezuz
a usually large link punctuated piece to try and sidetrack away and equalise here
it was soccer thugs wrecking things for 12 year olds match.
contrastingly different perspective and rant than what you were trying to imply on the GAA (and the weird yet peaceful commemoration at galbally)
yer empty content again fools no one. showing your true colours again. sickening.
As far as I can see it was sectarian scumbags attacking some young lads playing football.
"Soccer thugs"? Do you call people who would attack gaelic footballers "Gaelic games thugs"? ???
no - we dont have the soccer disease !
thankfully the scenes as above and millwall v west ham are not an Irish/Gaelic football problem
Quote from: MW on August 31, 2009, 01:21:37 PM
As far as I can see it was sectarian scumbags attacking some young lads playing football.
"Soccer thugs"? Do you call people who would attack gaelic footballers "Gaelic games thugs"? ???
[/quote]
Yes of course.
How do you categorise those involved in the Glentoran/Linfield riots?
Quote from: Orior on August 31, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: MW on August 31, 2009, 01:21:37 PM
As far as I can see it was sectarian scumbags attacking some young lads playing football.
"Soccer thugs"? Do you call people who would attack gaelic footballers "Gaelic games thugs"? ???
Yes of course.
How do you categorise those involved in the Glentoran/Linfield riots?
[/quote]
Any way possible as long as owc and the Ireland set up can be distanced from them.
The spindoctoring on this thread is hysterical from the usual suspects.
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:26:49 AM
[I myself was on a chartered fans bus which was pelted when swinging round into Boucher Road before a game, presumably by "concerned local residents".
Humour me here. Which end of the Boucher Road were you swinging into to? The Glenmachan St. / Village end or the Stockman's Lane / commuter belt end?
Terrible incident this. But why the reference to "soccer thugs"? Those who carried out the attack were simply hoods.
One interesting point in that news report: The east Belfast pitch was the only venue available, but the Short Strand team felt safe playing there because thay had used it before without incident.
Makes it all the more regrettable that it happened.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 28, 2009, 11:45:12 AM
Disgusting attack by scum on innocent children. Nelson has limited knowledge of sports though so maybe he does not know of these teams existence and cannot comment,
Nothing like harassing childer on their way to school or giving young football players abuse because of the Church they attend. What is wrong with these people?
I don't think Church attendance is really on the mind of the thugs involved, do you?
Was it church attendance that caused the trouble tonight in East Belfast or was it 'soccer thugs'? Probably just better to blame 'the Prods' outright, they eat Catholic babies you know ::)
Quote from: Roger on September 01, 2009, 01:05:59 AM
I don't think Church attendance is really on the mind of the thugs involved, do you?
Was it church attendance that caused the trouble tonight in East Belfast or was it 'soccer thugs'? Probably just better to blame 'the Prods' outright, they eat Catholic babies you know ::)
No but I am pretty sure the cnuts that did this have no love for Catholics and as such would have no time for the church these young fellas would attend!
These loyalist/unionist animals that abused these kids are haters, ask yourself this rog, what do they hate? at a guess I would say fenians, even if they are four foot tall and dressed in soccer gear.
You are an apologist, always have been, always will be.
tell you what rog, let me know when a bunch of fenians attack a group of prods at a milk cup match or something of that kind, I am pretty sure you will fine me one of the first to condemn it without me having to resort to stupid comments like yours as outlined above.
undoubtedly the word was passed from soccer person to soccer person until they all went over to attack these kids.
soccer fans * and soccer in the north has previous form in the rioting/fights etc.
so yes. Soccer thugs.
thankfully none of this happens in GAA circles. The thuggery is left on the pitch ;) !
* from memory northern Ireland, linfield, glentoran, portadown,cliftonville, shamknacker rovers and Derry city too all have had incidents from fans fighting, pigs heads thrown, buses stoned and paddywagons attacked
Quote from: stew on September 01, 2009, 04:40:01 AM
Quote from: Roger on September 01, 2009, 01:05:59 AM
I don't think Church attendance is really on the mind of the thugs involved, do you?
Was it church attendance that caused the trouble tonight in East Belfast or was it 'soccer thugs'? Probably just better to blame 'the Prods' outright, they eat Catholic babies you know ::)
No but I am pretty sure the cnuts that did this have no love for Catholics and as such would have no time for the church these young fellas would attend!
These loyalist/unionist animals that abused these kids are haters, ask yourself this rog, what do they hate? at a guess I would say fenians, even if they are four foot tall and dressed in soccer gear.
You are an apologist, always have been, always will be.
tell you what rog, let me know when a bunch of fenians attack a group of prods at a milk cup match or something of that kind, I am pretty sure you will fine me one of the first to condemn it without me having to resort to stupid comments like yours as outlined above.
I condemn any attack like this regardless of who is attacking or not attacking. I just don't think church attendance is the motive of the numbskulls involved. To answer your question about what they hate, it is difficult to say but probably the unknown is what they hate fuelled by ignorance and tribal / pack mentality and thuggery.
I'm an apologist of what exactly?
I think 'religious background' might be more appropriate than 'Church attendance'.
Community background maybe but those involved wouldn't know what Catholicism or Protestantism is about. The religious thing is overplayed and more often used to portray rampant anti-Catholicism by fundamentalist Protestants when really its a case of thugs attacking other percieved to be themmuns. Everyone should condemn it without making cheap remarks and spin on the matter to skew what has happened to their own Political agenda. If people don't then imo it just adds to the bizarre mentality that makes these attacks occur.
Quote from: Roger on September 02, 2009, 12:14:40 AM
Community background maybe but those involved wouldn't know what Catholicism or Protestantism is about.
You mean getting pissed at Christmas and thinking your morally superior to everybody else? I'd say they ave a few ideas!