Just on Galway Bay that at a meeting last might it was announced he's decided not to go for another year in charge.
Thats a BIG surprise as he had indicated that he wanted to continue in the role. Must have done a bit of soul searching since the Donegal match.
must say I thought he'd stay on another year.
Just heard. Strange one. He said 2 weeks ago that he was staying on. Seems there was a meeting between the county board and the players so I wonder did the players have a hand in this? Hard to say if he was pushed or just decided he had done as much as he could. Not sure who'll get the job now. I can't think of many outstanding local candidates and Kevin Walsh is staying on with Sligo. Maybe they will go outside the county again but I thought the football board hadn't a brass farthing to rub together after building the football centre.
Anyway best of luck to Liam.
Let's just hope Bunty Roche doesn't enter the equation at any stage. Bit of a surprise alright though, he had expressed a desire to continue after the Donegal game but it's widely known that a few of the players weren't happy with Sammon's management,team selections and match tactics so I'm sure that played a part in his decision. Probably the right decision all things considered, best of luck to him. It'll be interesting to see what names are put forward now, as GBB said, the board aren't exactly flush at the moment.
Given the financial situation its highly unlikely but I bet we'l see a comment from Mick O'Dwyer soon talking favourably about the Galway job, think he mentioned it in his book that Galway are a side he'd love to manage. At least they'd be fully fit and might look like they are interested if he did. a long shot but ud never know!
Quote from: belleaqua on August 13, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
Given the financial situation its highly unlikely but I bet we'l see a comment from Mick O'Dwyer soon talking favourably about the Galway job, think he mentioned it in his book that Galway are a side he'd love to manage. At least they'd be fully fit and might look like they are interested if he did. a long shot but ud never know!
I'm sure he would take it in a heartbeat if it was offered to him. Might be a bit out of our price range though. ;D
Say what you like about Micko but his teams are always very fit. From what I heard this year the players were not too happy with their physical preparation at all.
Liam Salmon seem like a gracious down to earth person.
It was almost refreshing to hear him talk after games.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2009, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: belleaqua on August 13, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
Given the financial situation its highly unlikely but I bet we'l see a comment from Mick O'Dwyer soon talking favourably about the Galway job, think he mentioned it in his book that Galway are a side he'd love to manage. At least they'd be fully fit and might look like they are interested if he did. a long shot but ud never know!
I'm sure he would take it in a heartbeat if it was offered to him. Might be a bit out of our price range though. ;D
Say what you like about Micko but his teams are always very fit. From what I heard this year the players were not too happy with their physical preparation at all.
thats a surprise. Seemed like a nice man who was v unlucky, but had Galways going in the right direction.
With the property developers now being skint, ODywer might be available as a knock down price !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 13, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2009, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: belleaqua on August 13, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
Given the financial situation its highly unlikely but I bet we'l see a comment from Mick O'Dwyer soon talking favourably about the Galway job, think he mentioned it in his book that Galway are a side he'd love to manage. At least they'd be fully fit and might look like they are interested if he did. a long shot but ud never know!
I'm sure he would take it in a heartbeat if it was offered to him. Might be a bit out of our price range though. ;D
Say what you like about Micko but his teams are always very fit. From what I heard this year the players were not too happy with their physical preparation at all.
thats a surprise. Seemed like a nice man who was v unlucky, but had Galways going in the right direction.
With the property developers now being skint, ODywer might be available as a knock down price !
surely there must be an old hotel or 2 lying idle that could be given to mick o as a sweetner ;) and good luck to Liam sammon allways very gracious either in defeat or victory
Will the headlines read
"Sammon leapt,before he was pushed" ;D
Suprised but glad we have our end sorted out so it doesnt affect us.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 13, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2009, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: belleaqua on August 13, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
Given the financial situation its highly unlikely but I bet we'l see a comment from Mick O'Dwyer soon talking favourably about the Galway job, think he mentioned it in his book that Galway are a side he'd love to manage. At least they'd be fully fit and might look like they are interested if he did. a long shot but ud never know!
I'm sure he would take it in a heartbeat if it was offered to him. Might be a bit out of our price range though. ;D
Say what you like about Micko but his teams are always very fit. From what I heard this year the players were not too happy with their physical preparation at all.
thats a surprise. Seemed like a nice man who was v unlucky, but had Galways going in the right direction.
With the property developers now being skint, ODywer might be available as a knock down price !
Maybe NAMA could fund him for Dublin?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 13, 2009, 04:29:33 PM
Will the headlines read
"Sammon leapt,before he was pushed" ;D
...or poached? ;D ;D
John Maughan is Available ;)
Sammon was out of his depth!
Quote from: The Wedger on August 13, 2009, 07:29:10 PM
Sammon was !
last year Sammon won Connacht title in Castlebar Vs Mayo
this year John O Mahoney won the Connacht title in Salthill vs Galway
Do you think O Mahoney is out of his depth also ???
Bit of a shock, this one. A pity. Sammon had Galway playing good stuff again even though they went down in the CF and against Donegal. But it was only by a point each time.
He's a gent with a lot of class.
O'Mahony doesn't have the players in Mayo. Sammon didn't seem to be the right manager for Galway.
I'm not surprised. The defeat to Donegal was a most unGalway-like display, with a level of niggly negative play the like of which I've never witnessed before from a Galway team.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2009, 09:20:10 PM
I'm not surprised. The defeat to Donegal was a most unGalway-like display, with a level of niggly negative play the like of which I've never witnessed before from a Galway team.
You mustn't have watched them under Peter Forde then.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 13, 2009, 09:25:24 PM
You mustn't have watched them under Peter Forde then.
The joys of Connacht football eh? ;)
i have a feeling walsh could leave sligo and take the job. only pj and mehan left from his playing days and so would not be an issue of going back too soon after retiring
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on August 13, 2009, 09:06:40 PM
Bit of a shock, this one. A pity. Sammon had Galway playing good stuff again even though they went down in the CF and against Donegal. But it was only by a point each time.
He's a gent with a lot of class.
Hard to agree. Shambles this year. Brutal against Sligo, played for 5 mins against Mayo. And an absolute disaster against Donegal. For a man that was supposed to be an excellent coach, his team selection and tactics were way off. Might have had an OK season in 2008, most first year managers do.
Nice guys don't win!!!
The usual suspects are being suggested already, Frank Doherty, Pete Warren, Bunty Roche :-\, Billy Joyce, Val Daly. I think we can definitely say it's not going to be anyone like Micko, probably someone from inside the county I'd imagine. Can't see Kevin Walsh taking over, he's already committed to another year with Sligo.
C'mon Duine, you want Bunty and you know it! Look at all the big shots and high rollers he'd bring to the gap! Highway doesn't drink so it wouldn't be the same!
you can have o mahoney back if you ask nicely
Liam Sammon has put in a huge amount of work into Galway football over the years and should be commended for it, however his time as Galway manager was up.
The only credible name that comes to mind within the County is Eoin Donnellan, he was interested in the job two years ago so hopefully he is still interested.
Quote from: mouview on August 13, 2009, 11:13:51 PM
C'mon Duine, you want Bunty and you know it! Look at all the big shots and high rollers he'd bring to the gap! Highway doesn't drink so it wouldn't be the same!
Ah would ya stop, I'd rather see John Maughan landing with his supply of St Tropez! Anyway I'd imagine Bunt is far too busy with his new business venture, he's in his element below in the Gap.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 13, 2009, 11:24:07 PM
you can have o mahoney back if you ask nicely
Jasus the greatest thing since sliced bread not that long since ??? Anyways have a soft spot for Galway ( wifes from Tuam). who would the Galway lads
like to see getting the job & who do they
actually see getting it?
Well this Galway lady would love to see Kevin Walsh get it but really don't think he's going to leave Sligo for another year at least, we'll probably see one of the likely lads mentioned above getting it. Won't be anyone high profile anyway I'd say, the funds and to be honest the talent isn't there. This has really caught the co board by surprise though, from what I'd heard they were going to hold onto Liam for another year, let him see out his contract and then approach Kevin Walsh. They're rightly landed on their backsides now though.
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 14, 2009, 12:30:45 AM
Well this Galway lady would love to see Kevin Walsh get it but really don't think he's going to leave Sligo for another year at least, we'll probably see one of the likely lads mentioned above getting it. Won't be anyone high profile anyway I'd say, the funds and to be honest the talent isn't there. This has really caught the co board by surprise though, from what I'd heard they were going to hold onto Liam for another year, let him see out his contract and then approach Kevin Walsh. They're rightly landed on their backsides now though.
Lady beGod :) Yeah, would like to see KW get the job too, he's maroon through & through, so ya never know ;)
Actually don't be too shocked if Micko is on for this job.
The rumours around here are that Micko is finished with Wicklow as his..or sorry i should say Wicklows sponsors Ballymore Properties are not so going well, so will end their deal with Wicklow as they can't afford it anymore. ;)
Thomas Walsh who was bought or even brought by Ballymore and Wicklow, is suddenly transferring back to his native Carlow.
So as the whole Wicklow thing is falling apart, Micko will on the look out for a new job.
And Galway would be ideal for him i'd say. So would not be suprised at all if he is next Galway boss.
i'll say it again John Maughan is Available (i can see it now on the Galway touchline showing off his sunburned legs in those awful shorts, as he jumps for joy when Galway bate Mayo in Castlebar)
Quote from: stevecw on August 14, 2009, 12:54:00 AM
Actually don't be too shocked if Micko is on for this job.
The rumours around here are that Micko is finished with Wicklow as his..or sorry i should say Wicklows sponsors Ballymore Properties are not so going well, so will end their deal with Wicklow as they can't afford it anymore. ;)
Thomas Walsh who was bought or even brought by Ballymore and Wicklow, is suddenly transferring back to his native Carlow.
So as the whole Wicklow thing is falling apart, Micko will on the look out for a new job.
And Galway would be ideal for him i'd say. So would not be suprised at all if he is next Galway boss.
Dont think they could afford him at the minute, if rumours are to be believed ;)
What's with the Kevin Walsh love-in, what exactly has he achieved that makes him a good candidate for the Galway job? Last year Jason Ryan was being lauded as the best young manager in Ireland and Liam Sammon was hailed for the way he had Galway playing, 12 months on neither is flavour of the month. Walsh got Sligo out of division 4 but that should have been a given and his team were beaten in both of their championship games against division 1 teams so while Sligo did ok under his stewardship he hasn't proven anything yet and it would be a risk and ultimately a mistake to try and give him the Galway job now.
Quote from: ross4life on August 14, 2009, 12:58:00 AM
i'll say it again John Maughan is Available (i can see it now on the Galway touchline showing off his sunburned legs in those awful shorts, as he jumps for joy when Galway bate Mayo in Castlebar)
Ross, you will be hunted down and bate around Hyde Park if you keep suggesting the tanned one >:( ;) :D
Any chance of some of the clas of '98 stepping up? Always thought the likes of De Paor would end up managing Galway at some stage, mightn't have the experience but as McGeeney has shown it's not always necessary if you have a good backroom.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on August 14, 2009, 08:16:19 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 14, 2009, 12:58:00 AM
i'll say it again John Maughan is Available (i can see it now on the Galway touchline showing off his sunburned legs in those awful shorts, as he jumps for joy when Galway bate Mayo in Castlebar)
Ross, you will be hunted down and bate around Hyde Park if you keep suggesting the tanned one >:( ;) :D
If the players were unhappy with their physical shape under Sammon they'd be cursing themselves for opening their mouths if Maughan had a go at them ;D
Quote from: ross4life on August 14, 2009, 12:58:00 AM
i'll say it again John Maughan is Available (i can see it now on the Galway touchline showing off his sunburned legs in those awful shorts, as he jumps for joy when Galway bate Mayo in Castlebar)
John Maughan is not available..He is busy devising a scheme to get Andy Merrigan back to deel side.
Quote from: venter on August 14, 2009, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 14, 2009, 12:58:00 AM
i'll say it again John Maughan is Available (i can see it now on the Galway touchline showing off his sunburned legs in those awful shorts, as he jumps for joy when Galway bate Mayo in Castlebar)
John Maughan is not available..He is busy devising a scheme to get Andy Merrigan back to deel side.
if we got the auld moclair cup back to deel side i'd be happy venter
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 01:04:58 AM
What's with the Kevin Walsh love-in, what exactly has he achieved that makes him a good candidate for the Galway job? Last year Jason Ryan was being lauded as the best young manager in Ireland and Liam Sammon was hailed for the way he had Galway playing, 12 months on neither is flavour of the month. Walsh got Sligo out of division 4 but that should have been a given and his team were beaten in both of their championship games against division 1 teams so while Sligo did ok under his stewardship he hasn't proven anything yet and it would be a risk and ultimately a mistake to try and give him the Galway job now.
You know Galway people all yr, were crediting Walsh with everything under the sun regarding Sligo. Reality is we were never a Div4 team, we just had one yr hangover where alot of effort or fitness wasnt there. We have some excellent players, Walsh deserves credit for the effort the players put in, like what walsh brought to table was a presence into the dressing room where some of our egos had to give it everything and couldnt call the shots. Also his choice of selectors was spot on and in fact they deserve credit too, I will say he didnt maximise our potential against Galway or tipp, but against Kerry for the first time in yrs I thought he got team selection and tactics 100% spot on. He would of learned an awful lot this yr so Im hoping he builds on it. From day 1 i will say he had his preparation, atitude and effort from the players where it needed to be and by the end he came good on team selection and tactics. The point on Jason Ryan was Wexford were never a AI semi final team, overachieved so they were never going to hit those heights again this yr, especially without Forde so it was inevitable to head downhill, I dont think we overachieved this yr so Im expecting alot better yr next yr where the management team and player hit the ground running. Walsh I dont think is a man to go back on his word.
I'm not surprised Sammon is gone. Some of his team selections and tactical decisions beggared belief.
For example - he played Niall Coyne corner back every time even though he struggled there all year. This was when he had a class corner back like Kieran Fitzgerald sitting on the bench.Fitzy has got a raw deal over the last few seasons as he is our best corner back by a mile but has struggled to get game time. This is not Niall Coyne's fault as he has never been a corner back and was obviously very uncomfortable playing there. He played a lot of underage football in the forwards and afterwards always in the half back line.
Then you have Sammon's obsession with either starting or bringing on Fiachra Breathnach in every game when it is plain to see that he is not an inter county standard forward.I don't remember him kicking a point all year!
Other lads like Darren Mullaghy and especially Alan Burke also seemed to get a raw deal from the management.
Tactically, the sight of Michael Meehan or Sean Armstrong in their own half back line was a common occurrence. This was plainly ridiculous. Meehan especially should never be more than 30 yards from the opposition goal.
Armstrong had kicked 3 points from play early on against Sligo from corner forward and was roasting his man and was then promptly moved way out the field. Crazy stuff.
It seemed as if Galway's training was not geared with championship in mind as they were flying in the league (Galway hammered Donegal in Pearse Stadium) and then looked very flat come championship time.
As for a new manager - I don't see too many candidates within our own county. It would be nice to see a "big name" manager come in now as I think this team needs that to push on.
Our major problem over the next few years will be the lack of talent coming through. We have performed dreadfully in the u-21 championship since we won the AI in 2005.We haven't even come close to winning Connacht since.At minor level also apart from the AI winning team of 2007 we have struggled. Looking back on that 2007 team also it is hard to see too many more of that team cming through.Paul Conroy is the only current starter on the county team with Joe Joe Greaney and Tomas Fahy I think the only other panellists at the moment.
I reckon Fahy, maybe Colin Forde and maybe Conor Doherty along with Conroy are the only ones from that team who have a chance of being regulars with Galway in the future.
There aren't many obvious candidates from the last 4 or 5 Galway minor teams either which is worrying
Quote from: venter on August 14, 2009, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 14, 2009, 12:58:00 AM
i'll say it again John Maughan is Available (i can see it now on the Galway touchline showing off his sunburned legs in those awful shorts, as he jumps for joy when Galway bate Mayo in Castlebar)
John Maughan is not available..He is busy devising a scheme to get Andy Merrigan back to deel side.
He must be a very busy man then. :D
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 01:04:58 AM
What's with the Kevin Walsh love-in, what exactly has he achieved that makes him a good candidate for the Galway job? Last year Jason Ryan was being lauded as the best young manager in Ireland and Liam Sammon was hailed for the way he had Galway playing, 12 months on neither is flavour of the month. Walsh got Sligo out of division 4 but that should have been a given and his team were beaten in both of their championship games against division 1 teams so while Sligo did ok under his stewardship he hasn't proven anything yet and it would be a risk and ultimately a mistake to try and give him the Galway job now.
Well said, As far as I'm aware Kevin has only managed two teams (Aran Islands, a Junior A outfit) and Sligo. Basically two years of management experience. Last Autumn he wasn't rated enough to be given the Galway minor job and now after a reasonable run with Sligo he is being touted as a Galway Senior manager. It would be a huge mistake to have a cursory look at how sligo performed this year and credit all the success to one man. What role did his selectors play ? We need someone who has experience of managing teams or failing that some ex player who has a strong interest in the preparation of teams.
Also we need to start bringing ex players into county management roles at underage, so as they can be groomed for bigger jobs in the future.
Ray Silke appears to have the answer to everything.
Otherwise what about a Galway double act:
(http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/sep2007/gilmore_and_michael_d.jpg)
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 01:04:58 AM
What's with the Kevin Walsh love-in, what exactly has he achieved that makes him a good candidate for the Galway job? Last year Jason Ryan was being lauded as the best young manager in Ireland and Liam Sammon was hailed for the way he had Galway playing, 12 months on neither is flavour of the month. Walsh got Sligo out of division 4 but that should have been a given and his team were beaten in both of their championship games against division 1 teams so while Sligo did ok under his stewardship he hasn't proven anything yet and it would be a risk and ultimately a mistake to try and give him the Galway job now.
BUt realisticlaly coming from div 4- what were Sligo's expectations this year? You can't win anything from div 4. So promotion and some very good showings in the championship was a good season. You can only work with the players you've got. Sligo are probably a decent div 2 outfit but look a little bit short in some areas for me to really challenge the top teams. They aren't winning at underage either. And until they do they aren't going to challenge and ultimately beat the top teams.
So on that basis he could a good job. If he had the right guy in beside him he could be a canditate.
Quote from: Barney on August 14, 2009, 10:37:58 AM
Ray Silke appears to have the answer to everything.
Otherwise what about a Galway double act:
(http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/sep2007/gilmore_and_michael_d.jpg)
:D :D :D They'd be 'Labouring' then Barney!!
Indiana you can't judge any manager on one year, maybe sligo's performances against Kerry and Galway had more to do with them under performing than Sligo performing well. I'm not saying Kevin isn't a good manager because I don't know and neither does anyone else. How can any of us know based on one year, so IMO it would be a big mistake to give a job as big as the Galway one to a man who has hardly any club coaching experience let alone IC.
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 11:12:38 AM
Indiana you can't judge any manager on one year, maybe sligo's performances against Kerry and Galway had more to do with them under performing than Sligo performing well. I'm not saying Kevin isn't a good manager because I don't know and neither does anyone else. How can any of us know based on one year, so IMO it would be a big mistake to give a job as big as the Galway one to a man who has hardly any club coaching experience let alone IC.
Then by the same token you must think that the DCB made a big mistake in appointing Gilroy?
I don't think Galway have a huge range of options. Maybe the Salthill manager from a few years back perhaps. Not sure they could afford Micko as Breheny seems to be suggesting today. Is Breheny related to Micko or something?
No not necessarily, I think Gilroy is a very good 'manager', which requires intelligence, good orgainizational abilities, being able to deal with people and situations in a calm manner etc. all of which he has from the business world. Whelan brings footballing experience and coaching ability so it isn't a bad double team but not every county needs that type of arrangement. Gilroy had managing experience from his professional life and a working relationship with an excellent coach, Walsh has neither. Anyway why make Walsh the manager and then try to find an 'experienced' man to work with him, surely you should give the job to the experienced candidate and let Walsh come in and learn the ropes as selector? If i was on the Galway CB I'd let Walsh stay with Sligo for at least another year before even thinking about him, if Sligo continue to improve he may be worth a look, but not before. There must be some decent club managers or former Underage coaches that could be considered. Isn't Frank Doherty a Galway man? At least he has IC experience.
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 11:31:10 AM
No not necessarily, I think Gilroy is a very good 'manager', which requires intelligence, good orgainizational abilities, being able to deal with people and situations in a calm manner etc. all of which he has from the business world. Whelan brings footballing experience and coaching ability so it isn't a bad double team but not every county needs that type of arrangement. Gilroy had managing experience from his professional life and a working relationship with an excellent coach, Walsh has neither. Anyway why make Walsh the manager and then try to find an 'experienced' man to work with him, surely you should give the job to the experienced candidate and let Walsh come in and learn the ropes as selector? If i was on the Galway CB I'd let Walsh stay with Sligo for at least another year before even thinking about him, if Sligo continue to improve he may be worth a look, but not before. There must be some decent club managers or former Underage coaches that could be considered. Isn't Frank Doherty a Galway man? At least he has IC experience.
Thats a total contradiction Zulu in fairness. You're not applying the same criteria. Who's to say Walsh doesn't have organisational qualities from his own working life? I mean any decent line manager in a business who plays club football could organise an inter county football team.
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 11:12:38 AM
Indiana you can't judge any manager on one year, maybe sligo's performances against Kerry and Galway had more to do with them under performing than Sligo performing well. I'm not saying Kevin isn't a good manager because I don't know and neither does anyone else. How can any of us know based on one year, so IMO it would be a big mistake to give a job as big as the Galway one to a man who has hardly any club coaching experience let alone IC.
That pisses me off, I actually think we underperformed against Galway because of 11 week break from League to CSFC, against Kerry, our players had to step up and did. Thats the way I look at it. But of course the lazy analysis out there and narrow mindness out think the same as you. Whenever a Top team in the country gets ran close it because they underperformed which is bullshit, I already said my piece on the Sligo kerry thread so not going into the nitty gritty here. The reason teams play bad maybe has something to do with the opposition ;).
It does mate I agree but the fact that you didn't beat kerry was as much down to being a bit short in some areas as it was to Kerry underperforming. And its those shortcomings that undermine the efforts of Sligo, Wicklow, Tipp etc when it comes to breaking through.
Micko it is, according to the Indo ...
Friday August 14 2009
MICK O'DWYER could be in line for one great last hurrah with Galway following the resignation of Liam Sammon.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/micko-for-galway-1859948.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/micko-for-galway-1859948.html)
Quote from: INDIANA on August 14, 2009, 11:59:37 AM
It does mate I agree but the fact that you didn't beat kerry was as much down to being a bit short in some areas as it was to Kerry underperforming. And its those shortcomings that undermine the efforts of Sligo, Wicklow, Tipp etc when it comes to breaking through.
We are short in some areas but isnt everyone?, in my reality I knew going into that game we were strong where Kerry were strong in most areas but unfortunetly really the only thing that saved kerry was Galvin excelled where we were weak defensively, like armstrong matched up with ewing in galway game. I know our limitations and where our good players cover our weak ones... but jees to say the above statement is insulting to our FB line and D Kelly and a few others that day. In the last 20mins our Forwards underperformed aswell...anyway ye know my thoughts and were going off topic... :-\
Quote from: mick999 on August 14, 2009, 12:04:08 PM
Micko it is, according to the Indo ...
Friday August 14 2009
MICK O’DWYER could be in line for one great last hurrah with Galway following the resignation of Liam Sammon.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/micko-for-galway-1859948.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/micko-for-galway-1859948.html)
Welcome to Connacht football Micko....
I'd be very surprised if micko does take over, unless the board are getting a sub off Pat McDonagh or the likes I just can't see how we'd afford it. It'd be fantastic if he did but I'm a bit sceptical at the minute. I'll believe it when I see it.
QuoteThat pisses me off, I actually think we underperformed against Galway because of 11 week break from League to CSFC, against Kerry, our players had to step up and did.
Take off the Sligo coloured glasses FFS, I said -"
maybe sligo's performances against Kerry and Galway had more to do with them under performing than Sligo performing well" - as in it
might have been possible and I made this point in relation to a discussion on Kevin Walsh's ability as a manager.
QuoteThats a total contradiction Zulu in fairness. You're not applying the same criteria. Who's to say Walsh doesn't have organisational qualities from his own working life? I mean any decent line manager in a business who plays club football could organise an inter county football team.
I don't think it is a contradiction at all, you have to take every situation on it's own merits and I believe Gilroy is a proven 'manager' and Whelan a proven coach. Therefore they were a reasonable choice, Walsh isn't proven in either field and hasn't anyone with him that we know of who is proven in those fields either. There are a number of lads in Galway who have more IC experience than Walsh and they have at least two managers who have lead Galway teams to AI's in the past 3 or 4 years, they deserve the top job before a man who has two years experience and little success.
But surely Walsh is more qualified than Gilroy at this stage? Take Whelan out of it. You can't seriously be putting business acumen above football knowledge acquired at the coalface of management?
I would suggest managing has less to with football and more to do with problem solving and organizing. If Gilroy was going in on his own I'd appreciate people having reservations but he had Whelan and he had IC playing experience and a powerful intellect, that's a pretty impressive package IMO. All Walsh has (that we know for sure) is the IC playing experience and 1 year with Sligo, now he may be an outstanding manager but at this time I don't see why so many are touting him as the Galway senior manager. Frank Doherty or Alan Mulholland are surely more worthy candidates, I can't rememeber who lead them to their recent U21 AI but that guy (was it Forde?) and some experienced club managers are also more worthy of consideration IMO.
IMO Sligo didn't do anything that they weren't capable of doing with almost anyone at the helm, their performance against Kerry was impressive I'll grant you but that seems to be the whole foundation on which Walsh's credentials are based. I simply think it would be prudent of the GCB to look for a man with a more impressive track record, and those guys are there in Galway were they there in Dublin? I can't think of any off hand.
Mick Deegan- took fingal ravens from inter to senior and to the all-ireland intermediate club final last year. Trained the dublin juniors to win the ll-ireland last year as well. No dis-respect to my clubmen- but he should have got the Dublin job IMO.
As for Galway- beyond Frank Doherty you're struggling fro native Galway men.
Well I'd have had no problem with Deegan getting the job on that basis, is Mulholland not a Galway man? And there must be at least one decent club coach who is worthy of consideration.
This talk about Frank Doherty goes on everytime Galway are on the lookout for a new manager. Yes he was in charge when Caltra won the all Ireland but the work was already done in my opinion, he was very lucky with the team he took over and he had an excellent backroom team who, according to local sources, got this team to the All Ireland, Frank only played a small role in their success.
I all fairness. Having been to Caltra and seen the size of the place- that all-ireland is up there with the very best of them. No foreign stars- a real rags to riches story. Some achievement in my view.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 14, 2009, 01:51:54 PM
Mick Deegan- took fingal ravens from inter to senior and to the all-ireland intermediate club final last year. Trained the dublin juniors to win the ll-ireland last year as well. No dis-respect to my clubmen- but he should have got the Dublin job IMO.
As for Galway- beyond Frank Doherty you're struggling fro native Galway men.
Why is Eoin Donnellon being ignored on this thread ? He has managed Salthill to an All Ireland, He also managed NUI,G in 07 , was a selector with Galway for a year. He's currently involved with Michael Breatnachs and St Brigids in Roscommon.
As far as I'm aware Frank Doherty was ran out of Clare. His background wasn't gaelic football as far as I'm aware either.
I did mention him - but I wasn't sure of his name. I was surprised he didn't get it the last time.
He was also coach of the Clare footballers for the last 2 or 3 years wasn't he? Now i know they didn't go well but that wasn't his fault i can assure you.
QuoteWhy is Eoin Donnellon being ignored on this thread ?
The only reason I haven't mentioned him by name is that I know little about him but from what you say i would think he is also a better option.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 14, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
I did mention him - but I wasn't sure of his name. I was surprised he didn't get it the last time.
When Liam made it known that he was interested in the job two years ago no one had a chance.
Was there interviews two years ago ? Possibly, but that was just to please the delegates. Originally the line from the football board was,
"there is a man who has a fierce interest in Galway football and the board thinks he should get the job"
Things will be a bit more formal this time around with John Joe and Seamus O'Grady at the helm of the football board now.
QuoteI can't remember who lead them to their recent U21 AI but that guy (was it Forde?)
Yeah, It was Forde.
QuoteHe was also coach of the Clare footballers for the last 2 or 3 years wasn't he? Now i know they didn't go well but that wasn't his fault i can assure you.
He was very highly regarded down in Clare from what I have heard
QuoteI all fairness. Having been to Caltra and seen the size of the place- that all-ireland is up there with the very best of them. No foreign stars- a real rags to riches story. Some achievement in my view.
QuoteThis talk about Frank Doherty goes on everytime Galway are on the lookout for a new manager. Yes he was in charge when Caltra won the all Ireland but the work was already done in my opinion, he was very lucky with the team he took over
Caltra were already a really good side before Doherty came along. The side that won the All-Ireland were all brilliant underage players, they should have won more at underage level than they did. Feckin Corofin winning everything!
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 01:37:46 PM
I would suggest managing has less to with football and more to do with problem solving and organizing. If Gilroy was going in on his own I'd appreciate people having reservations but he had Whelan and he had IC playing experience and a powerful intellect, that's a pretty impressive package IMO. All Walsh has (that we know for sure) is the IC playing experience and 1 year with Sligo, now he may be an outstanding manager but at this time I don't see why so many are touting him as the Galway senior manager. Frank Doherty or Alan Mulholland are surely more worthy candidates, I can't rememeber who lead them to their recent U21 AI but that guy (was it Forde?) and some experienced club managers are also more worthy of consideration IMO.
IMO Sligo didn't do anything that they weren't capable of doing with almost anyone at the helm, their performance against Kerry was impressive I'll grant you but that seems to be the whole foundation on which Walsh's credentials are based. I simply think it would be prudent of the GCB to look for a man with a more impressive track record, and those guys are there in Galway were they there in Dublin? I can't think of any off hand.
Ive the exact same opinion on above but on the underperforming/overachieving argument probably a bit of both and I obviously missed the word
maybe. From what ive heard about inside the camp our selectors are just as important to the set up as Walsh but him picking them to make up for his own limitations is astute IMO.
What about John Concannon as a young manager. He took Milltown from no where to the county final they didn't win but apparently a very astute man on the sideline.
Quote from: Donegal Danny on August 14, 2009, 06:38:52 PM
What about John Concannon as a young manager. He took Milltown from no where to the county final they didn't win but apparently a very astute man on the sideline.
I'd rather Bunty Roche. The man is a nut case.
I don't know anything about Bunty Roche but from what I read here I'm liking his credentials
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 14, 2009, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: Donegal Danny on August 14, 2009, 06:38:52 PM
What about John Concannon as a young manager. He took Milltown from no where to the county final they didn't win but apparently a very astute man on the sideline.
I'd rather Bunty Roche. The man is a nut case.
I want the dream team.....Tommie Joyce & Scan in cahoots with Bunty as physical trainer!!! Ya know the football might not be great but the team bonding weekends would be savage!!!
No standout contenders really.....not alot of choices within the county. One fella thats not been mentioned at all is Paul McGettigan who was manager for the majority of Corofin's glory days. Bright, astute man (useful attributes when you're a barrister i suppose) and id say we could do worse. Suppose my preference at this stage would be Walsh but we'll see if he lets his name go forward.
Don't rate Doherty, and dont want any connections with prior regimes. What these lads need now is a frsh start, not recycling previous management teams in a different guise.
MaroonandWhite you're back! Where the feck have you been, I had to deal with the Nicky Joyce fallout all alone!
Quote from: Zulu on August 14, 2009, 01:37:46 PM
I would suggest managing has less to with football and more to do with problem solving and organizing. If Gilroy was going in on his own I'd appreciate people having reservations but he had Whelan and he had IC playing experience and a powerful intellect, that's a pretty impressive package IMO. All Walsh has (that we know for sure) is the IC playing experience and 1 year with Sligo, now he may be an outstanding manager but at this time I don't see why so many are touting him as the Galway senior manager. Frank Doherty or Alan Mulholland are surely more worthy candidates, I can't rememeber who lead them to their recent U21 AI but that guy (was it Forde?) and some experienced club managers are also more worthy of consideration IMO.
IMO Sligo didn't do anything that they weren't capable of doing with almost anyone at the helm, their performance against Kerry was impressive I'll grant you but that seems to be the whole foundation on which Walsh's credentials are based. I simply think it would be prudent of the GCB to look for a man with a more impressive track record, and those guys are there in Galway were they there in Dublin? I can't think of any off hand.
The Sligo posters are crediting Walsh for choosing quality people to support him. So Gilroy and Walsh are both the same. Unless you are questioning the intellect of Walsh?
I'm not, but you don't need to be particularily intelligent to pick good selectors, that's more a football knowledge thing and I'd imagine his selectors may have been proposed by others unless he was heavily involved in Sligo club football himself. By the way, to make it clear, I'm not attacking Walsh as a manager but I am questioning the logic of those championing his case for Galway based on his record to date, which is only decent at best.
Quote from: Zulu on August 15, 2009, 04:59:09 PM
I'm not, but you don't need to be particularily intelligent to pick good selectors, that's more a football knowledge thing and I'd imagine his selectors may have been proposed by others unless he was heavily involved in Sligo club football himself. By the way, to make it clear, I'm not attacking Walsh as a manager but I am questioning the logic of those championing his case for Galway based on his record to date, which is only decent at best.
I agree, Its hard to imagine that kevin would of had that much knowledge of the Sligo scene to able to pick his own selectors. Did the county board pick them ? As far as I remember the galway county board selected Joyce & warren for O'Mahoney in 1997.
Quote from: thebackbar on August 17, 2009, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 15, 2009, 04:59:09 PM
I'm not, but you don't need to be particularily intelligent to pick good selectors, that's more a football knowledge thing and I'd imagine his selectors may have been proposed by others unless he was heavily involved in Sligo club football himself. By the way, to make it clear, I'm not attacking Walsh as a manager but I am questioning the logic of those championing his case for Galway based on his record to date, which is only decent at best.
I agree, Its hard to imagine that kevin would of had that much knowledge of the Sligo scene to able to pick his own selectors. Did the county board pick them ? As far as I remember the galway county board selected Joyce & warren for O'Mahoney in 1997.
That was sensible.
It would appear Joe Kernan is the football board's favourite to get the Galway job, he's already been approached by John Joe about it and he hasn't said no yet, according to Jim Carney in the Tuam Herald anyway. Interesting development. Joe's mother is from Ballinasloe, didn't know that.
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 26, 2009, 09:25:16 PM
It would appear Joe Kernan is the football board's favourite to get the Galway job, he's already been approached by John Joe about it and he hasn't said no yet, according to Jim Carney in the Tuam Herald anyway. Interesting development. Joe's mother is from Ballinasloe, didn't know that.
His father is from SuperMacs.
Both Galway strongholds.
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 26, 2009, 09:25:16 PM
It would appear Joe Kernan is the football board's favourite to get the Galway job, he's already been approached by John Joe about it and he hasn't said no yet, according to Jim Carney in the Tuam Herald anyway. Interesting development. Joe's mother is from Ballinasloe, didn't know that.
Armagh fans would tell you he wouldn't manage any other county :D
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 26, 2009, 09:25:16 PM
It would appear Joe Kernan is the football board's favourite to get the Galway job, he's already been approached by John Joe about it and he hasn't said no yet, according to Jim Carney in the Tuam Herald anyway. Interesting development. Joe's mother is from Ballinasloe, didn't know that.
According to the brains trust over on Hogan Stand (don't laugh) the favourite is John Maughan and his unfeasibly tight shorts. ;D
Along with Larry Bane and Brendan Coffey. ::)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 26, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 26, 2009, 09:25:16 PM
It would appear Joe Kernan is the football board's favourite to get the Galway job, he's already been approached by John Joe about it and he hasn't said no yet, according to Jim Carney in the Tuam Herald anyway. Interesting development. Joe's mother is from Ballinasloe, didn't know that.
According to the brains trust over on Hogan Stand (don't laugh) the favourite is John Maughan and his unfeasibly tight shorts. ;D
That would be a great name for a band.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 26, 2009, 10:25:49 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 26, 2009, 09:25:16 PM
It would appear Joe Kernan is the football board's favourite to get the Galway job, he's already been approached by John Joe about it and he hasn't said no yet, according to Jim Carney in the Tuam Herald anyway. Interesting development. Joe's mother is from Ballinasloe, didn't know that.
Armagh fans would tell you he wouldn't manage any other county :D
no they wouldn't but he'd tell you that.
he unsuccessfully interviewed for both cavan and louth jobs in the past
It'd be a fantastic appointment if it worked out. He might instill a bit of belief and backbone into this team, something they seem to have lacked the last while. We might see the likes of Padraic Joyce and Declan Meehan giving it one more year. The fact John Joe approached Joe personally without waiting for club nominations shows how determined the board are to get a high profile manager. Poor Bunty won't get a look in now. :P
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 27, 2009, 08:08:50 PM
It'd be a fantastic appointment if it worked out. He might instill a bit of belief and backbone into this team, something they seem to have lacked the last while. We might see the likes of Padraic Joyce and Declan Meehan giving it one more year. The fact John Joe approached Joe personally without waiting for club nominations shows how determined the board are to get a high profile manager. Poor Bunty won't get a look in now. :P
Poor aul Bunt.....the canvassing was probably well advanced at this stage too :D
The alternatives within the county are poor so I suppose John Joe wouldnt exactly bear the brunt of the clubs if he delivered the likes of Kernan. Id love to see him...moreso than Micko as Id say he could put the mental steel into the lads that they need plus in my opinion, Armagh played a decent style of football too under him. Still at present it is what it is....pure speculation.
I heard from a close source in the Kingdom , that Micko was seen measuring the road to Galway for the "milage", and with the new Shannon Tunnel he'd make it up and back in no time. Watch this space....
Quote from: MaroonAndWhite on August 27, 2009, 08:31:16 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 27, 2009, 08:08:50 PM
It'd be a fantastic appointment if it worked out. He might instill a bit of belief and backbone into this team, something they seem to have lacked the last while. We might see the likes of Padraic Joyce and Declan Meehan giving it one more year. The fact John Joe approached Joe personally without waiting for club nominations shows how determined the board are to get a high profile manager. Poor Bunty won't get a look in now. :P
Poor aul Bunt.....the canvassing was probably well advanced at this stage too :D
The alternatives within the county are poor so I suppose John Joe wouldnt exactly bear the brunt of the clubs if he delivered the likes of Kernan. Id love to see him...moreso than Micko as Id say he could put the mental steel into the lads that they need plus in my opinion, Armagh played a decent style of football too under him. Still at present it is what it is....pure speculation.
Worked with Ger for the hurlers.
QuoteThe fact John Joe approached Joe personally without waiting for club nominations shows how determined the board are to get a high profile manager
It'll have to be ratified by the clubs, doesn't it? I am not good on how these kind of procedures work.