1.Tyrone
2.Cork
3.Kerry
4.Kildare
5.Mayo
6.Dublin
7.Donegal
8.Wicklow
9.Antrim
10.Meath
11.Sligo
12.Galway
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 04, 2009, 03:46:59 PM
1.Tyrone
2.Cork
3.Kerry
4.Kildare
5.Mayo
6.Dublin
7.Donegal
8.Wicklow
9.Antrim
10.Meath
11.Sligo
12.Galway
Sligo didn't make the last 12, is that where you were meaning to put Limerick?
Sligo=better than limerick.....but sure switch them then...
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 04, 2009, 03:46:59 PM
1.Tyrone
2.Cork
3.Kerry
4.Kildare
5.Mayo
6.Dublin
7.Donegal
8.Wicklow
9.Antrim
10.Meath
11.Sligo
12.Galway
Kildare beat Dublin. No Derry in the list ?.
1- Tyrone
2- Kerry
3- Cork
4- Mayo
5- Kildare
6- Meath
7- Donegal
8- Limerick
9- Dublin
10-Galway
11-Sligo
12- Wicklow
Honourable mentions to Derry, Monagahan and Armagh who are better than some of 6-12
Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2009, 03:56:08 PM
1- Tyrone
2- Kerry
3- Cork
4- Mayo
5- Kildare
6- Meath
7- Donegal
8- Limerick
9- Dublin
10-Galway
11-Sligo
12- Wicklow
Honourable mentions to Derry, Monagahan and Armagh who are better than some of 6-12
Being a bit pessimistic there indiana
Dublin are better than 9th
1- Tyrone
2- Kerry
3- Cork
4- Kildare
5- Mayo
6- Donegal
7- Meath
8- Limerick
9- Dublin
10-Derry
11-Monaghan
12-Galway
1.Tyrone
2.Cork
3.Kerry
4.Mayo
5.Kildare
6.Moneghan
7.Dublin
8.Galway
9.Meath
10.Limerick
11.Donegal
12.Derry
QuoteHonourable mentions to Derry, Monagahan and Armagh who are better than some of 6-12
Is this a ranking of performance in the championship or likelihood of beating each other in a series of games yet to take place? For instance Antrim and Limerick did well, but I am not sure that they would be favourites in the league or championship next year.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 04, 2009, 04:16:15 PM
Is this a ranking of performance in the championship or likelihood of beating each other in a series of games yet to take place.
Of how 'good' they are
1.Kerry
2.Cork
3.Tyrone
4.Mayo
5.Kildare
6.Dublin
7.Monaghan
8.Galway
9.Meath
10.Limerick
11.Donegal
12.Derry
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 04, 2009, 04:19:50 PM
1.Kerry
2.Cork
3.Tyrone
4.Mayo
5.Kildare
6.Dublin
7.Monaghan
8.Galway
9.Meath
10.Limerick
11.Donegal
12.Derry
Had to be :D
A little secret: when you're the reigning Champs you're the best, until beaten, by definition.
1.Tyrone
2.Kerry
3. Cork
4. Mayo
5. Kildare
6. Dublin
7. Galway
8. Monaghan
9. Donegal
10. Derry
11. Meath
12. Limerick
Given our stupid championship system this is impossible, therefore we have to use the league as a ranking system:
1. Kerry
2. Derry
3. Galway
etc etc
Tyrone
Kerry
Cork
Derry
Galway
Mayo
Dublin
Kildare
Monaghan
Armagh
Donegal
Meath
1. TYRONE
2. KERRY
3. CORK
4. MAYO
5. DUBLIN
6. DERRY
7. GALWAY
8. KILDARE
9. DONEGAL
10. ARMAGH
11. MONAGHAN
12. WEXFORD
Quote from: longball on August 04, 2009, 04:39:10 PM
1. TYRONE
2. KERRY
3. CORK
4. MAYO
5. DUBLIN
6. DERRY
7. GALWAY
8. KILDARE
9. DONEGAL
10. ARMAGH
11. MONAGHAN
12. WEXFORD
Wexford would be behind Limerick & Meath surely. Also Sligo, Longford, Roscommon, Antrim & Wicklow would surely be a match for them.
1.Tyrone
2. Kerry
3. Cork
4. Mayo
5. Kildare
6. Dublin
7. Derry
8. Galway
9. Monaghan
10. Limerick
11. Meath
12. Armagh
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on August 04, 2009, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: longball on August 04, 2009, 04:39:10 PM
1. TYRONE
2. KERRY
3. CORK
4. MAYO
5. DUBLIN
6. DERRY
7. GALWAY
8. KILDARE
9. DONEGAL
10. ARMAGH
11. MONAGHAN
12. WEXFORD
Wexford would be behind Limerick & Meath surely. Also Sligo, Longford, Roscommon, Antrim & Wicklow would surely be a match for them.
2 WORDS..... MATTIE FORDE
NO1 IN THESE COUNTIES WOULD MARK HIM. IF HE HAD TO BEEN FIT THIS YEAR THEY WOULD HAVE FAIRED OUT A LOT BETTER. DONT FORGET THEY GOT TO A SEMI FINAL LAST YEAR. COULD YOU SEE ROSCOMMON, ANTRIM, WICKLOW DOING THIS?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 04:25:32 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 04, 2009, 04:19:50 PM
1.Kerry
2.Cork
3.Tyrone
4.Mayo
5.Kildare
6.Dublin
7.Monaghan
8.Galway
9.Meath
10.Limerick
11.Donegal
12.Derry
Had to be :D
A little secret: when you're the reigning Champs you're the best, until beaten, by definition.
Don't be so patronising FÓSB; of course we all acknowledge that Tyrone are reigning champions (we've been reminded often enough), but the thread title implied to me that we should consider this year's Championship performances to date.
I think the order of the top 5 in this year's Championship will be;
1.Kerry
2.Cork
3.Mayo and Tyrone
5.Meath
Hard to grade teams from 1-12 so i have grouped teams.....
Have been consistently there the last couple of years
Kerry
Cork
Tyrone
Dublin
Can beat anyone on the big day....but fall short near end of championship
Mayo
Derry
Kildare
Galway (have not beaten anyone outside of Connacht since 2001....i think)
Up and down, unpredictable can cause an upset!
Donegal
Monaghan
Meath (no leinster since 2001)
Armagh
Could make breakthrough
Antrim
Wicklow
Sligo
Limerick
Fading fast
Laois
Westmeath
Down
Fermanagh
Glad to see Sligo make into a few, just to point out something that wouldnt cross yere mind is Sligo had a 11 week break from nfl to CFSC start which killed us in the 1st half, Galway were damn lucky to get us that day, we beat a pretty good Tipp side in there backyard and it would of been comfortable had we not took foot off the pedal. Also how many teams had to go to Kerry to play Kerry none, ya we didnt win but that performance was brilliant and would beat alot of the teams in the top12. In fairness this yr the way the CSFC draw panned out was handicapping and it was tough luck getting Kerry away in qualifiers but it has to be taken into account. Everyone says Kerry underperformed but they got the warning the week before and also how motivated were they in our game, imagine the lynching they have got if they did lose would motivate them plenty id say. People can put Donegal, Galway, Monaghan, etc,, ahead of us but I dont see that way as it stands now, we are better than them just the way the draw fell we didnt get a chance to show it which is a pity.
Tyrone
Cork
Kerry
Mayo
Dublin
Kildare
Derry
Any of these cant be seperated IMO Sligo, Antrim, Wicklow, Armagh, Galway, Monaghan, Meath, Limerick, Donegal..... well I couldnt put any of them ahead of Sligo and couldnt put Sligo ahead of them either...
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 04, 2009, 04:36:08 PM
Tyrone
Kerry
Cork
Derry
Galway
Mayo
Dublin
Kildare
Monaghan
Armagh
Donegal
Meath
So Derry are the 4th best team in Ireland...after losing twice, once to donegal who were quickly found out....
QuoteDon't be so patronising FÓSB; of course we all acknowledge that Tyrone are reigning champions (we've been reminded often enough), but the thread title implied to me that we should consider this year's Championship performances to date.
I think the order of the top 5 in this year's Championship will be;
1.Kerry
2.Cork
3.Mayo and Tyrone
5.Meath
Good one. Going on performances surely Kerry wouldn't be number 1, they have been dire apart from yesterday while Cork had a poor day against Limerick. Tyrone this year have looked impressive seeing off Armagh, Derry and Antrim with ease.
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 04, 2009, 05:06:52 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 04, 2009, 04:36:08 PM
Tyrone
Kerry
Cork
Derry
Galway
Mayo
Dublin
Kildare
Monaghan
Armagh
Donegal
Meath
So Derry are the 4th best team in Ireland...after losing twice, once to donegal who were quickly found out....
What exactly did you expect when you started this thread? That people would all say "yeah you're right, that's the top 12. You have it bang on."?
By their very nature, ranking like this are very subjective and naturally people will rate their own county higher than others might. If you are expecting a consensus then you're going to be waiting a long time.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on August 04, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 04, 2009, 05:06:52 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 04, 2009, 04:36:08 PM
Tyrone
Kerry
Cork
Derry
Galway
Mayo
Dublin
Kildare
Monaghan
Armagh
Donegal
Meath
So Derry are the 4th best team in Ireland...after losing twice, once to donegal who were quickly found out....
Mayo and Kildare are above Derry, other than none of the rest.
I agree completely. It's just a shame that they keep losing. But nevertheless they still deserve their place right up there.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 04, 2009, 04:56:21 PM
Hard to grade teams from 1-12 so i have grouped teams.....
Have been consistently there the last couple of years
Kerry
Cork
Tyrone
Dublin
Can beat anyone on the big day....but fall short near end of championship
Mayo
Derry
Kildare
Galway (have not beaten anyone outside of Connacht since 2001....i think)
Up and down, unpredictable can cause an upset!
Donegal
Monaghan
Meath (no leinster since 2001)
Armagh
Could make breakthrough
Antrim
Wicklow
Sligo
Limerick
Fading fast
Laois
Westmeath
Down
Fermanagh
Fair enough assessment.
Quote from: RMDrive on August 04, 2009, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 04, 2009, 05:06:52 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 04, 2009, 04:36:08 PM
Tyrone
Kerry
Cork
Derry
Galway
Mayo
Dublin
Kildare
Monaghan
Armagh
Donegal
Meath
So Derry are the 4th best team in Ireland...after losing twice, once to donegal who were quickly found out....
What exactly did you expect when you started this thread? That people would all say "yeah you're right, that's the top 12. You have it bang on."?
By their very nature, ranking like this are very subjective and naturally people will rate their own county higher than others might. If you are expecting a consensus then you're going to be waiting a long time.
I'd have to disagree with you there most of the top 12s have had the same 8 or 9 in the same order, your 2 personal favourite teams and yere own. But maybe derry are perrenial chokers or theyre just not good enough...I suppose youre right but no-one else has derry anywhere near 4th.....
How are some people ranking kildare ranked so high? They have put together a couple of decent performances but i cannot see how they can be ranked anywhere near 4th as some people have them.
Quote from: orangeman on August 04, 2009, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 04, 2009, 04:56:21 PM
Hard to grade teams from 1-12 so i have grouped teams.....
Have been consistently there the last couple of years
Kerry
Cork
Tyrone
Dublin
Can beat anyone on the big day....but fall short near end of championship
Mayo
Derry
Kildare
Galway (have not beaten anyone outside of Connacht since 2001....i think)
Up and down, unpredictable can cause an upset!
Donegal
Monaghan
Meath (no leinster since 2001)
Armagh
Could make breakthrough
Antrim
Wicklow
Sligo
Limerick
Fading fast
Laois
Westmeath
Down
Fermanagh
Fair enough assessment.
Dublin havent been to a final in years!!!
Best 4 Teams...
1)Tyrone
2)Cork
3)Kerry
4)Mayo
4 Most Overrated teams...
1)Dublin
2)Galway
3)Down
4)Armagh (At the start of the year)
4 Most under-rated teams
1) Kildare
2)Antrim
3)Wicklow
4)Limerick
4 Teams who under-perform...
1) Down
2) Derry
3) Laois
4) Galway
Tyrone, Kerry, Cork in no particular order
Everyone else...in no particular order as most of them can beat each other on any given day.
Quote from: ludermor on August 04, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
How are some people ranking kildare ranked so high? They have put together a couple of decent performances but i cannot see how they can be ranked anywhere near 4th as some people have them.
exactly, they've come on leaps and bounds, but Wicklow could have caught them again this year. I think they're a fair bit off the top 2/3 and I wouldn't particularly fancy them against most of the mid ranked, Derry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan etc,
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 04, 2009, 05:24:47 PM
Best 4 Teams...
1)Tyrone
2)Cork
3)Kerry
4)Mayo
4 Most Overrated teams...
1)Dublin
2)Galway
3)Down
4)Armagh (At the start of the year)
4 Most under-rated teams
1) Kildare
2)Antrim
3)Wicklow
4)Limerick
4 Teams who under-perform...
1) Down
2) Derry
3) Laois
4) Galway
Not by us Armagh ones; we knew we had problems.
Quote from: orangeman on August 04, 2009, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 04, 2009, 04:56:21 PM
Hard to grade teams from 1-12 so i have grouped teams.....
Have been consistently there the last couple of years
Kerry
Cork
Tyrone
Dublin Mayo has as much right to be here or more than Dublin, for Gods sake we always get further than them and even beat them 3 years ago.
Can beat anyone on the big day....but fall short near end of championship
Mayo
Derry
Kildare
Galway (have not beaten anyone outside of Connacht since 2001....i think)
Up and down, unpredictable can cause an upset!
Donegal
Monaghan
Meath (no leinster since 2001)
Armagh
Could make breakthrough
Antrim
Wicklow
Sligo
Limerick
Fading fast
Laois
Westmeath
Down
Fermanagh
Fair enough assessment.
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 04, 2009, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 04, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
How are some people ranking kildare ranked so high? They have put together a couple of decent performances but i cannot see how they can be ranked anywhere near 4th as some people have them.
exactly, they've come on leaps and bounds, (/b)but Wicklow could have caught them again this year(/b). I think they're a fair bit off the top 2/3 and I wouldn't particularly fancy them against most of the mid ranked, Derry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan etc,
IMHO should have caught them...
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 04, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 04, 2009, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 04, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
How are some people ranking kildare ranked so high? They have put together a couple of decent performances but i cannot see how they can be ranked anywhere near 4th as some people have them.
exactly, they've come on leaps and bounds, (/b)but Wicklow could have caught them again this year(/b). I think they're a fair bit off the top 2/3 and I wouldn't particularly fancy them against most of the mid ranked, Derry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan etc,
IMHO should have caught them...
maybe some fresh legs would have sufficed
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 04, 2009, 05:54:09 PM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 04, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 04, 2009, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 04, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
How are some people ranking kildare ranked so high? They have put together a couple of decent performances but i cannot see how they can be ranked anywhere near 4th as some people have them.
exactly, they've come on leaps and bounds, (/b)but Wicklow could have caught them again this year(/b). I think they're a fair bit off the top 2/3 and I wouldn't particularly fancy them against most of the mid ranked, Derry, Galway, Armagh, Monaghan etc,
IMHO should have caught them...
maybe some fresh legs would have sufficed
If you've seen our bench you would disagree...The best 15 were made to be uberfit because Micko knew the bench could not compete....the reason jamie stafford wasn't replaced 18 minutes in after being clattered
My opinion based on games to date...
1. Cork
2. Kerry
3. Tyrone
4. Dublin
5. Kildare
6. Meath
7. Mayo
8. Limerick
9. Monaghan
10.Derry
11.Galway
12. Armagh
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 04, 2009, 05:27:33 PM
Tyrone, Kerry, Cork in no particular order
Everyone else...in no particular order as most of them can beat each other on any given day.
He's right Ted.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 04, 2009, 12:24:43 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 04, 2009, 05:27:33 PM
Tyrone, Kerry, Cork in no particular order
Dont agree with that statement, Cork have proven themselves to be well ahead of Tyrone (even with 14 men). At this moment, I would say Cork and Kerry are out ahead with Tyrone leading the chasing pack and with the best chance of catching them in the near term.
Everyone else...in no particular order as most of them can beat each other on any given day.
He's right Ted.
Quote from: agorm on September 03, 2009, 10:31:40 PM
My opinion based on games to date...
1. Cork
2. Kerry
3. Tyrone
4. Dublin
5. Kildare
6. Meath
7. Mayo
8. Limerick
9. Monaghan
10.Derry
11.Galway
12. Armagh
i know these are stupid and subjective etc, but given that in your own words these rankings are based on games to date, how could you possibly put monaghan above derry?? (and i won't even mention the high rankings attributed to the triumvirate of meath, mayo and limerick, although at least limerick did give the champions elect a game).
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 04, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: agorm on September 03, 2009, 10:31:40 PM
My opinion based on games to date...
1. Cork
2. Kerry
3. Tyrone
4. Dublin
5. Kildare
6. Meath
7. Mayo
8. Limerick
9. Monaghan
10.Derry
11.Galway
12. Armagh
i know these are stupid and subjective etc, but given that in your own words these rankings are based on games to date, how could you possibly put monaghan above derry?? (and i won't even mention the high rankings attributed to the triumvirate of meath, mayo and limerick, although at least limerick did give the champions elect a game).
Monaghan are the only team the year to beat the champions elect ;)
Derry would be above Monaghan based on this year alright(hard to argue with 2 for 2), but sure isn't it all very subjective as you say. We could argue all day about it. Still, the rankings mean fcuk all really after the top few, fair bit of a gap after that.
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 04, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: agorm on September 03, 2009, 10:31:40 PM
My opinion based on games to date...
1. Cork
2. Kerry
3. Tyrone
4. Dublin
5. Kildare
6. Meath
7. Mayo
8. Limerick
9. Monaghan
10.Derry
11.Galway
12. Armagh
i know these are stupid and subjective etc, but given that in your own words these rankings are based on games to date, how could you possibly put monaghan above derry?? (and i won't even mention the high rankings attributed to the triumvirate of meath, mayo and limerick, although at least limerick did give the champions elect a game).
Point taken re Monaghan /Derry, I probably absed Monaghan ahead on some previous performances over the last year or two.
I wouldnty agree with you ref Meath, Mayo & Limerick - Meath after all were All-Ireland Semi Finalists & came within 4 points of Kerry, Mayo are Connacht champs. I would say that Meath or Mayo would beat any teams below them in the rankings I have given.
Quote from: agorm on September 05, 2009, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 04, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: agorm on September 03, 2009, 10:31:40 PM
My opinion based on games to date...
1. Cork
2. Kerry
3. Tyrone
4. Dublin
5. Kildare
6. Meath
7. Mayo
8. Limerick
9. Monaghan
10.Derry
11.Galway
12. Armagh
i know these are stupid and subjective etc, but given that in your own words these rankings are based on games to date, how could you possibly put monaghan above derry?? (and i won't even mention the high rankings attributed to the triumvirate of meath, mayo and limerick, although at least limerick did give the champions elect a game).
Point taken re Monaghan /Derry, I probably put Monaghan ahead on some previous performances over the last year or two.
I wouldnty agree with you ref Meath, Mayo & Limerick - Meath after all were All-Ireland Semi Finalists & came within 4 points of Kerry, Mayo are Connacht champs. I would say that Meath or Mayo would beat any teams below them in the rankings I have given.
Quote from: agorm on September 05, 2009, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 04, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: agorm on September 03, 2009, 10:31:40 PM
My opinion based on games to date...
1. Cork
2. Kerry
3. Tyrone
4. Dublin
5. Kildare
6. Meath
7. Mayo
8. Limerick
9. Monaghan
10.Derry
11.Galway
12. Armagh
i know these are stupid and subjective etc, but given that in your own words these rankings are based on games to date, how could you possibly put monaghan above derry?? (and i won't even mention the high rankings attributed to the triumvirate of meath, mayo and limerick, although at least limerick did give the champions elect a game).
Point taken re Monaghan /Derry, I probably absed Monaghan ahead on some previous performances over the last year or two.
I wouldnty agree with you ref Meath, Mayo & Limerick - Meath after all were All-Ireland Semi Finalists & came within 4 points of Kerry, Mayo are Connacht champs. I would say that Meath or Mayo would beat any teams below them in the rankings I have given.
on occasion they might, on other occasions they wouldn't. I think Meath overachieved this year and Mayo underachieved (yet again). As a result i wouldn't be particularly confident of that Meath side beating any of the teams below them. Limerick aren't a bad side, but they're nowehere near the top 8 teams in the country. They managed victories over Clare and Tipperary in the championship and got relegated from div 3.
1 - Kerry
2 - Tyrone
3 -- Armagh
4 - Galway
5 - Mayo
6 - Dublin
7 - Cork
8 - Derry
9 - Monaghan
10 - Derry
11 - Kildare
12 - Donegal
Just based on average performance over the last 9 years
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2009, 12:45:28 AM
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i think meath are the second derry ;) (ranked 10)
1. Cork - the best team in country with out a doubt in my mind.
2. Tyrone - are still the team everyone would fear.
3. Kerry - behind the first two and are likely to fall further behind in the coming years but could still end up champions in 2009.
4. Dublin - the first real contentious position, I think we'd all agree on the top 3 even if the order would change, but Dublin's recent tankings paint a false picture for me and I'd still put money on Dublin to beat any team outside the top 3 on most days.
5. Derry - arguments could be made for a number of teams here and there's little between Derry and the teams at 6, 7 or 8 but I feel they have the best panel outside the top 4 and if they get it together they could win some serious silverware.
6. Kildare - can they prove they are a quality team by becoming consistent quarter or semi finalists? I have my doubts but they looked a powerful team at times this year and were the only team who should have beaten Cork in the league. They've a few big players on the wrong side of 30 so if they've got the talent coming through they could be around for the foreseeable future.
7. Mayo - loads of decent inter county footballers but few, if any, class ones. They also lack real leaders and the fanaticism to training and improving that is required at this level, especially when you lack game winners like the Gooch, B. Brogan or SON. They could be beaten by every team below them on this list but they could also, on a given day, beat any team above them (bar Kerry).
8. Monaghan - need something different to push them on next year but they are still a good championship team and division 1 football and Grimley's input might help them find it. Not good enough to beat the top 3 in knockout football but more than capable of beating the other teams above them. If they were to catch a top team it would be Kerry, they wouldn't have a hope against Cork however.
9. Galway - they only lost to Mayo and Donegal by a point or two so they weren't too far away from making the QF's and if they had beaten Mayo and met Meath in the QF's I reckon they'd have made the semis. However they need to find a way of getting more out of their talented forwards and drop Joyce and Meehan from the team as they offer little as starting players in the big games.
10. Donegal - not anywhere near as bad as the Cork game would suggest and they have as many talented players as most top teams. Application and desire seem to be their biggest problems, like Mayo they don't seem to want it enough, unlike Mayo they have the extra bit of quality needed to do really well if they get it together.
11. Meath - they get the nod here even though I don't rate them at all, Armagh, Sligo, Limerick, Antrim, Fermanagh or even Wicklow could be put in here instead but I'll give Meath the nod by virtue of two semi final spots in 3 years. Most of their forwards are very good club players rather than very good IC ones IMO.
12. Limerick - like Meath this slot could go to a number of teams but I'm giving it to Limerick on the basis that they've ran Cork closer in the last two years than almost anyone else. People who knock them on the basis that they've only beaten Clare and Tipp are ignoring the fact that they can only beat Munster teams in their provincial championship. If Limerick were in any other province, Ulster included, they'd have taken some noteable scalps by now.
Quote from: Maigheo Abu on September 06, 2009, 12:16:52 AM
1 - Kerry
2 - Tyrone
3 -- Armagh
4 - Galway
5 - Mayo
6 - Dublin
7 - Cork
8 - Derry
9 - Monaghan
10 - Derry
11 - Kildare
12 - Donegal
Just based on average performance over the last 9 years
Welcome back Maigheo Abu, that was a long holiday ;D
What did you think of the Meath Mayo game? Didnt see you on here after that.
I just noticed that only 1 of the top 8 teams that you have named have not won the All-Ireland over the last 20 years so maybe you could relook at your calculations based on other time frames not just an arbitrary 9 years.
There is a book called "How to Lie With Statistics " - looks like you have been reading it during your long holiday.
The only table that is any way relevant in this thread is where teams are now and I think your holiday left you a little out of touch.
Quote from: Zulu on September 06, 2009, 09:46:26 AM12. Limerick - like Meath this slot could go to a number of teams but I'm giving it to Limerick on the basis that they've ran Cork closer in the last two years than almost anyone else. People who knock them on the basis that they've only beaten Clare and Tipp are ignoring the fact that they can only beat Munster teams in their provincial championship. If Limerick were in any other province, Ulster included, they'd have taken some noteable scalps by now.
possibly, but to me limerick are a side who'll run everyone close, but won't beat too many, this would be backed up by their performances against tipp and clare where they were far from convincing winners. Whilst league rankings and performances shouldn't be overly relied on, you have to look at limerick's relegation from div 3 as further indication that they lack real talent up front (jury has to be out on ryan).
I wouldn't see it like that Bogball, Limerick have set themselves up to be defensive and tough to break down so even against the weaker teams they have problems putting up big scores. They do have some decent forwards though, Ryan is the real deal and Ger Collins and Cormac Joyce Power who are still U21 are very good too. Throw in Kelly and Buckley who are real speedsters and you have a pretty impressive forward line but they just don't commit to the attack as much as they should. If they can get a better balance between attacking and defending, pick up one or two more players and improve on a few areas they will be capable of beating most teams outside the top 6 or so. By the way they'll romp out of division 4 and will be at least a division 2 side within 3 years.
Quote from: Zulu on September 06, 2009, 09:46:26 AM
1. Cork - the best team in country with out a doubt in my mind.
2. Tyrone - are still the team everyone would fear.
3. Kerry - behind the first two and are likely to fall further behind in the coming years but could still end up champions in 2009.
4. Dublin - the first real contentious position, I think we'd all agree on the top 3 even if the order would change, but Dublin's recent tankings paint a false picture for me and I'd still put money on Dublin to beat any team outside the top 3 on most days.
5. Derry - arguments could be made for a number of teams here and there's little between Derry and the teams at 6, 7 or 8 but I feel they have the best panel outside the top 4 and if they get it together they could win some serious silverware.
6. Kildare - can they prove they are a quality team by becoming consistent quarter or semi finalists? I have my doubts but they looked a powerful team at times this year and were the only team who should have beaten Cork in the league. They've a few big players on the wrong side of 30 so if they've got the talent coming through they could be around for the foreseeable future.
7. Mayo - loads of decent inter county footballers but few, if any, class ones. They also lack real leaders and the fanaticism to training and improving that is required at this level, especially when you lack game winners like the Gooch, B. Brogan or SON. They could be beaten by every team below them on this list but they could also, on a given day, beat any team above them (bar Kerry).
8. Monaghan - need something different to push them on next year but they are still a good championship team and division 1 football and Grimley's input might help them find it. Not good enough to beat the top 3 in knockout football but more than capable of beating the other teams above them. If they were to catch a top team it would be Kerry, they wouldn't have a hope against Cork however.
9. Galway - they only lost to Mayo and Donegal by a point or two so they weren't too far away from making the QF's and if they had beaten Mayo and met Meath in the QF's I reckon they'd have made the semis. However they need to find a way of getting more out of their talented forwards and drop Joyce and Meehan from the team as they offer little as starting players in the big games.
10. Donegal - not anywhere near as bad as the Cork game would suggest and they have as many talented players as most top teams. Application and desire seem to be their biggest problems, like Mayo they don't seem to want it enough, unlike Mayo they have the extra bit of quality needed to do really well if they get it together.
11. Meath - they get the nod here even though I don't rate them at all, Armagh, Sligo, Limerick, Antrim, Fermanagh or even Wicklow could be put in here instead but I'll give Meath the nod by virtue of two semi final spots in 3 years. Most of their forwards are very good club players rather than very good IC ones IMO.
12. Limerick - like Meath this slot could go to a number of teams but I'm giving it to Limerick on the basis that they've ran Cork closer in the last two years than almost anyone else. People who knock them on the basis that they've only beaten Clare and Tipp are ignoring the fact that they can only beat Munster teams in their provincial championship. If Limerick were in any other province, Ulster included, they'd have taken some noteable scalps by now.
Zulu a team that has yet to win an all-ireland cannot be considered the best in the country. Just not possible.
Why? The current AI champs in any year got that title by virtue of what they did last year, not this year. If you can't be regarded the best unless you are the current AI champions then the second best team must be last years beaten AI finalists, the 3rd and 4th best must be the beaten semi finalists and so on. I don't think that stands up to scrutiny and IMO last years performances should only be a factor in your analysis, not the defining criterion.
I don't agree. Winners are the best in any sport. No-one remembers losers. And unless you've got the silverware on the table you can't claim to be the best at anything. So until Cork win the all-ireland, they can only be ranked at number 2 at best for me at the moment.
Well this is a matter of opinion of course so there is no absolute right or wrong answer but I don't accept you can't be ranked number one because you aren't AI champions. Tyrone are AI champions based on a game won 12 months ago, a lot can change in that time and I believe it has.
Good man Zulu, I agree with you that Mayo are not a top 4 team. Probably won't be for a long long long time either.
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I can't believe Derry continue to fool people by throwing together the odd league win. What have they done in Championship football in the last decade to merit such continued high ranking? Most over rated team in the country by a mile.