Definetely the clash I wanted to see!. One great team and another possibly on the brink of greatness. Personally I think this could be a classic, Cork won't have faced this level of intensity at any point, wereas Tyrone probably haven't faced such an atheletic force as cork in a long time, should be a cracker! ;)
Breaking a habit of a lifetime here.
Can't believe I am writing this - come on da rebels!!
I hope and believe Cork can and will win.
Can't see Tyrone getting eneough ball off them.
I would expect whoever wins this will win it out.
Never thought I would see the dau when Cork have so many scoring options.
Hopefully for Cork's sake Mr. Kennevy will be watching from home.
This will be really interesting. I have feared Cork vs. Tyrone for a while to be honest, even last year going into the final last year I would have been much more worried had it been Cork instead of Kerry. They are the one 'big' team we have not faced in the championship in recent years.
They have a huge size advantage and style of playing that I think will cause us bother, and I was thinking that even before Counihan came in this year and moved them on a fair bit.
Cork will have no fear of Tyrone at this stage in the way they would of Kerry. I guess the one hint of light for Tyrone is that Cork have been known to beat themselves on occasion?
It will hardly be a sell-out ? Should be a cracking game, Tyrone have the luxury of being able to lose the midfield battle and still win games.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 02, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
This will be really interesting. I have feared Cork vs. Tyrone for a while to be honest, even last year going into the final last year I would have been much more worried had it been Cork instead of Kerry. They are the one 'big' team we have not faced in the championship in recent years.
They have a huge size advantage and style of playing that I think will cause us bother, and I was thinking that even before Counihan came in this year and moved them on a fair bit.
Cork will have no fear of Tyrone at this stage in the way they would of Kerry. I guess the one hint of light for Tyrone is that Cork have been known to beat themselves on occasion?
true, but Tyrone won't ;) fear Cork either
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 02, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
Breaking a habit of a lifetime here.
Can't believe I am writing this - come on da rebels!!
I hope and believe Cork can and will win.
Can't see Tyrone getting eneough ball off them.
I would expect whoever wins this will win it out.
Never thought I would see the dau when Cork have so many scoring options.
Hopefully for Cork's sake Mr. Kennevy will be watching from home.
Just shows how much Tyrone have got under some Kerry supporters skin.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 02, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
This will be really interesting. I have feared Cork vs. Tyrone for a while to be honest, even last year going into the final last year I would have been much more worried had it been Cork instead of Kerry. They are the one 'big' team we have not faced in the championship in recent years.
They have a huge size advantage and style of playing that I think will cause us bother, and I was thinking that even before Counihan came in this year and moved them on a fair bit.
Cork will have no fear of Tyrone at this stage in the way they would of Kerry. I guess the one hint of light for Tyrone is that Cork have been known to beat themselves on occasion?
why the hell would tyrone fear cork? .... did limerick?
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 07:43:56 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 02, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
This will be really interesting. I have feared Cork vs. Tyrone for a while to be honest, even last year going into the final last year I would have been much more worried had it been Cork instead of Kerry. They are the one 'big' team we have not faced in the championship in recent years.
They have a huge size advantage and style of playing that I think will cause us bother, and I was thinking that even before Counihan came in this year and moved them on a fair bit.
Cork will have no fear of Tyrone at this stage in the way they would of Kerry. I guess the one hint of light for Tyrone is that Cork have been known to beat themselves on occasion?
true, but Tyrone won't ;) fear Cork either
Well I do, but in fairness I am not expecting to start this one.
If todays game showed anything its that when Enda McGinley is missing it leaves a huge void in Tyrones midfield. He has to be fit for the 23rd of August, simple as.
Yep TYRONE can do it, WELL DONE BOYS ;D
23rd Aug 2009
15:00 Tyrone 8/13 v Cork 7/4
Paddypower has odds up already, not usually so quick on a Sunday. I can't believe Cork are 7/4, I think that is generous in the extreme.
should be a great game, ye tyrone boys will finally get a feel of what we've had to put up with all these years ;) seriously tho its an excellent cork side that has come on a lot and not to be mistaken with the one of the last few years. my dream is for kerry to beat tyrone in the ai but that might be asking a lot on a number of levels. if i were a betting man i'd have to say my money would be on cork to win this one. cant believe pp have cork at 7/4 either tyssam5. todays game wont have helped cork tho
Interesting to Read how much Tyrone are feared "SuperDooperCooper, 'magickingdom' ;)
Looking forward to the game tomorrow
Got a feeling this one will go to extra-time with Tyrone coming out winners, facinating game.
Quote from: tyroneboi on August 02, 2009, 08:22:54 PM
If todays game showed anything its that when Enda McGinley is missing it leaves a huge void in Tyrones midfield. He has to be fit for the 23rd of August, simple as.
agree completly. McGinley is the most important player we have in the middle sector. He simply must start the semi final and be up to full pace if Tyrone are to have any chance. Also think its time to start with Brian McGuigan at CHF
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 09:04:54 PM
Got a feeling this one will go to extra-time with Tyrone coming out winners, facinating game.
Has to be a replay for that to happen.
I think this may turn out to be the real Final and should be a titanic battle.
Well i'm going for a Cork win, they've been my tip since the start of the championship.
This Cork team has so many attacking options, look at some of the talent on the bench, they can hurt you from so many different positions e.g. Miskella today with 4 points from the half back line.
Should be a great game though, cannot wait for it. Should be played at some pace given the athleticism of both teams.
No brainer...Tyrone by 8...mark my words. ;)
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 02, 2009, 09:36:43 PM
No brainer...Tyrone by 8...mark my words. ;)
Dont think they will win that much,but tyrone will win
Tyrone by 4
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on August 02, 2009, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 02, 2009, 09:36:43 PM
No brainer...Tyrone by 8...mark my words. ;)
Dont think they will win that much,but tyrone will win
Tyrone by 4
Tyrone will win this one I think .Cork will have learnt nothing from todays farce while Tyrone will have learnt big time . Donegal were well off the pace and dont seem to have bothered watching any of the Cork matches to study tactics etc
The only game all summer where i have no idea who's going to win. High scoring game to go to a replay.
Donegal made Cork look good, but I have to say, I was impressed how Cork never lifted the foot off the pedal.
Did anyone else notice Cork doing the same warm up Tyrone do - fast press-ups and sit ups? While Donegal were getting used to hard tackles. They're a massive side, very fit and fast and will run right at Tyrone. It'll be some game for pace. I'm glad Tyrone have been well tested at this point (I doubt Philly Jordan's been roasted as much in the last few years). The media might take a break hyping Tyrone and start focusing on Cork, I'd be far more comfortable as underdog.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 02, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
Breaking a habit of a lifetime here.
Can't believe I am writing this - come on da rebels!!
I hope and believe Cork can and will win.
Can't see Tyrone getting eneough ball off them.
I would expect whoever wins this will win it out.
Never thought I would see the dau when Cork have so many scoring options.
Hopefully for Cork's sake Mr. Kennevy will be watching from home.
Jees! class! ... has Tyrone rattled the Kerry cage or wot :P... now they're shouting for Cork. On the game itself... will be very tough for Tyrone... very. Oh! good luck to the Dubs tomorrow in puting the shower of begrudgers out of their misery
Does anyone think that Cork and Tyrone will be a clash of similar styles. I thought Cork looked like an emerging Tyrone today, especially with the ability of their half backs to push forward at pace, and the team to thread back behind the ball very quickly.
Looking forward to this one, could be a stepping stone to great things for Cork, but if people think tyrone were cynical today and went down easy, watch them in this game, they really up it to another level against big physical teams, i hope Pearse ONeill puts manners on Conor Gormley what an arrogant person he is, jordan,cavanagh,dooher and brian mc guigan all hit the deck easily in games like this, cork are a a very big team but they have mobility in the right positions,i think the 2 cork half forwards could nullify jordan and davy harte's attacking threat because they need alot of watching too, tyrone will need to be at the races in midfield to break even with cork, todays game did cork no favours but with the competition for places there in-house games have to be of good quality, i think cork could take this one by 2-3 points and set up a final with the Dubs.
Quote from: 3000 miles away on August 03, 2009, 03:45:07 AM
Looking forward to this one, could be a stepping stone to great things for Cork, but if people think tyrone were cynical today and went down easy, watch them in this game, they really up it to another level against big physical teams, i hope Pearse ONeill puts manners on Conor Gormley what an arrogant person he is, jordan,cavanagh,dooher and brian mc guigan all hit the deck easily in games like this, cork are a a very big team but they have mobility in the right positions,i think the 2 cork half forwards could nullify jordan and davy harte's attacking threat because they need alot of watching too, tyrone will need to be at the races in midfield to break even with cork, todays game did cork no favours but with the competition for places there in-house games have to be of good quality, i think cork could take this one by 2-3 points and set up a final with the Dubs.
:D Gormley eats two Pearse O Neills every morning for breakfast! and anyhow fancy Ricey for that job, Gormley will have better players to deal with!
Looking forward to this. Limerick showed how hot and cold Cork can be. We've had the hot....
No this Cork team are too good to fall flat again. I went striaght into the bookies this morning and put my hard earned money on them to win Sam. Our only hope is to batten down the hatches and play like we did V kerry in 2003.
Team for Cork
1. Packie
4. Ricey 3. Justin 6. Conor
5. Harte 7. Jordan 2. Sean O'Neill
8. Hub 25. McGinely
10. Dooher 9. Cavanagh 12. Joe
13. Penfold 14. O'Neill 15. Mugsy
The nature of the game yesterday will have done Tyrone the world of good. The value of the battle they had with Kildare cannot be overstated. Tyrone needed a game like that which was similar in nature to the Mayo and Westmeath games last year. I would like to see Sean O'Neill start and as mentioned Brian McGuigan could be back at Number 11 as the brother isn't cut out for that role, I would have McCullough in there ahead of Tommy too.
Yesterday was the best possible preparation for Tyrone, and the worst possible preparation for Cork. Whether that will have any real bearing on this game only the 23rd will tell, but this little sequence of games comes to mind, involving another big strong team that destroyed the fancied opposition in the previous round:
2001 Semi-Final: Meath 2-14 Kerry 0-5
2001 Final: Galway 0-17 Meath 0-8
I wish this was the second semi instead of the first. Kerry waiting in the final would give Cork something to think about!
i think the only reason that tyrone struggled in the first half yesterday was lack of preparation time for tactics etc. they only had a week and few training sessions. mickey got the measure of kildare after the first half and the changes made settled the match. those who said kildare should have pushed on forget that there is a military maxim refering to the independent will of the enemy. tyrone adapted and therefore prospered. harte will have plenty of time to get to grips with cork because like all tyrone people this is the game we've been expecting all year!
Any statistians out there with access to the programs from the weekend care to calculate the average height and weight of Tyrone vs. Cork starting 15?
I worked it out for the AI final last year that Kerry were an inch taller and a stone heavier on average, we will have an even bigger size deficit to overcome in this next game I would think?
Its gas the amount of newbies on here whinging about Tyrone's cynical tactics and how Cork will put manners on them. Sad ye have to hide behind a new name to speak your mind.
It sure has the makings of a great game and if both play to their potential we're on for some battle. Harte will no doubt have some plan up his sleeve but I'm worried that we've sent out the signal that you can afford to give away frees against Tyrone now cos we miss more than we score.
I think for the first time in years we could have the 3 or 4 best teams in the country who are all capable of beating each other.
Should be a right ding dong battle. Cork have serious options up front, and barring stagefright should match Tyrones mobility workrate and most importantly scoring threat.
Heart would tell me The Rebels, Head Tyrone.
Noel O Leary straight red could be worth a punt if selected. Ricey, Gormley Jordan will goad the f**k out of him as per norm, and the fella just hasnt the gumption!!
This will be a fascinating contest .As posted elsewhere some Cork fans don't seem to rate Tyrone . How good were Kildare ?
While I think Tyrone will win due to having the better players I see a number of thrilling contests
Mid Field ? How hungry will the Cork half forwards be for breaking ball ?
How will the Cork full back line cope with an inform Mulligan and O Neill ? I thought they copped up easy scores to kerry in both games .
Will Tyrone play Brian McGuigan for 70 minutes . Cork tend to have Canty as the main marker (a job he is not best suited to)
Corks running game seems to be their best game as is the one that Conor Counihan will go with but what happens when the Cork half backs run into the wall of defenders . ?
The size and weight difference will not be a factor it will be down to the best players and mgt on the day .
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 02, 2009, 11:25:13 PM
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 02, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
Breaking a habit of a lifetime here.
Can't believe I am writing this - come on da rebels!!
I hope and believe Cork can and will win.
Can't see Tyrone getting eneough ball off them.
I would expect whoever wins this will win it out.
Never thought I would see the dau when Cork have so many scoring options.
Hopefully for Cork's sake Mr. Kennevy will be watching from home.
Jees! class! ... has Tyrone rattled the Kerry cage or wot :P... now they're shouting for Cork. On the game itself... will be very tough for Tyrone... very. Oh! good luck to the Dubs tomorrow in puting the shower of begrudgers out of their misery
Looks like us 'begrudgers' will be about for another few weeks at least Fox! ;)
Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
This will be a fascinating contest .As posted elsewhere some Cork fans don't seem to rate Tyrone . How good were Kildare ?
While I think Tyrone will win due to having the better players I see a number of thrilling contests
Mid Field ? How hungry will the Cork half forwards be for breaking ball ?
How will the Cork full back line cope with an inform Mulligan and O Neill ? I thought they copped up easy scores to kerry in both games .
Will Tyrone play Brian McGuigan for 70 minutes . Cork tend to have Canty as the main marker (a job he is not best suited to)
Corks running game seems to be their best game as is the one that Conor Counihan will go with but what happens when the Cork half backs run into the wall of defenders . ?
The size and weight difference will not be a factor it will be down to the best players and mgt on the day .
That's a fair assessment John, we'll have our work well cut out, but so will the Corkonians. Fascinating is the word.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 08:51:02 PM
Any statistians out there with access to the programs from the weekend care to calculate the average height and weight of Tyrone vs. Cork starting 15?
I worked it out for the AI final last year that Kerry were an inch taller and a stone heavier on average, we will have an even bigger size deficit to overcome in this next game I would think?
At a guess I'd say Cork are a foot taller and 3 stone heavier on average.
Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
This will be a fascinating contest .As posted elsewhere some Cork fans don't seem to rate Tyrone . How good were Kildare ?
While I think Tyrone will win due to having the better players I see a number of thrilling contests
Mid Field ? How hungry will the Cork half forwards be for breaking ball ?
How will the Cork full back line cope with an inform Mulligan and O Neill ? I thought they copped up easy scores to kerry in both games .
Will Tyrone play Brian McGuigan for 70 minutes . Cork tend to have Canty as the main marker (a job he is not best suited to)
Corks running game seems to be their best game as is the one that Conor Counihan will go with but what happens when the Cork half backs run into the wall of defenders . ?
The size and weight difference will not be a factor it will be down to the best players and mgt on the day .
very good analysis: i believe limerick/kildare both done their homework on these two sides...
cork/limerick
tyrone/kildare
TYRONE V CORK =
Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
This will be a fascinating contest .As posted elsewhere some Cork fans don't seem to rate Tyrone . How good were Kildare ?
While I think Tyrone will win due to having the better players I see a number of thrilling contests
Mid Field ? How hungry will the Cork half forwards be for breaking ball ?
How will the Cork full back line cope with an inform Mulligan and O Neill ? I thought they copped up easy scores to kerry in both games .
Will Tyrone play Brian McGuigan for 70 minutes . Cork tend to have Canty as the main marker (a job he is not best suited to)
Corks running game seems to be their best game as is the one that Conor Counihan will go with but what happens when the Cork half backs run into the wall of defenders . ?
The size and weight difference will not be a factor it will be down to the best players and mgt on the day .
That will interesting to find out. Would think Cork might have an ability to break tackles given they have some big, fast lads. That's why I think size could indeed be a factor.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 10:31:02 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
This will be a fascinating contest .As posted elsewhere some Cork fans don't seem to rate Tyrone . How good were Kildare ?
While I think Tyrone will win due to having the better players I see a number of thrilling contests
Mid Field ? How hungry will the Cork half forwards be for breaking ball ?
How will the Cork full back line cope with an inform Mulligan and O Neill ? I thought they copped up easy scores to kerry in both games .
Will Tyrone play Brian McGuigan for 70 minutes . Cork tend to have Canty as the main marker (a job he is not best suited to)
Corks running game seems to be their best game as is the one that Conor Counihan will go with but what happens when the Cork half backs run into the wall of defenders . ?
The size and weight difference will not be a factor it will be down to the best players and mgt on the day .
That will interesting to find out. Would think Cork might have an ability to break tackles given they have some big, fast lads. That's why I think size could indeed be a factor.
Might be in terms of winning primary possessions but the best footballers on the day usually win through
Cant wait for this. Looks like a huge challenge for the team and one of the best teams Tyrone will have come up against over the last 6 years. This is a Cork team that have been developing for a few years and now look ready to make the break through. Tyrone showed the hunger is still there and they will be well up for this. Would like to see a team something like this:
McConnell
Ricey
Justy McMahon
Gormley
Sean O'Neil (could take 45's and longer free's)
Joe McMahon
Jordan
McGinley
Hughes
Cavanagh
Brian McGuigan
Dooher
Penrose
O'Neill
Mugsy
The team could switch about as usual with positions meaning little. In reality Joe will probably stay in the forwards and its unlikely to see Harte dropped. Jordan had a worse game than Harte yesterday and got a roasting but still feel he's a better defender than Harte who spends most of his time up the pitch and at times picks no one up. Cork's running game will destroy us if the men arent picked up. Sean O'Neill is very athletic and full off running.
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 03, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 02, 2009, 11:25:13 PM
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 02, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
Breaking a habit of a lifetime here.
Can't believe I am writing this - come on da rebels!!
I hope and believe Cork can and will win.
Can't see Tyrone getting eneough ball off them.
I would expect whoever wins this will win it out.
Never thought I would see the dau when Cork have so many scoring options.
Hopefully for Cork's sake Mr. Kennevy will be watching from home.
Jees! class! ... has Tyrone rattled the Kerry cage or wot :P... now they're shouting for Cork. On the game itself... will be very tough for Tyrone... very. Oh! good luck to the Dubs tomorrow in puting the shower of begrudgers out of their misery
Looks like us 'begrudgers' will be about for another few weeks at least Fox! ;)
Jees! sort it out down there or Tyrone wil have to do the begrudgers over again 8)
Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2009, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 03, 2009, 10:31:02 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 03, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
This will be a fascinating contest .As posted elsewhere some Cork fans don't seem to rate Tyrone . How good were Kildare ?
While I think Tyrone will win due to having the better players I see a number of thrilling contests
Mid Field ? How hungry will the Cork half forwards be for breaking ball ?
How will the Cork full back line cope with an inform Mulligan and O Neill ? I thought they copped up easy scores to kerry in both games .
Will Tyrone play Brian McGuigan for 70 minutes . Cork tend to have Canty as the main marker (a job he is not best suited to)
Corks running game seems to be their best game as is the one that Conor Counihan will go with but what happens when the Cork half backs run into the wall of defenders . ?
The size and weight difference will not be a factor it will be down to the best players and mgt on the day .
That will interesting to find out. Would think Cork might have an ability to break tackles given they have some big, fast lads. That's why I think size could indeed be a factor.
Might be in terms of winning primary possessions but the best footballers on the day usually win through
Yep fair enough, just that Cork are something of an unknown for Tyrone.
I suppose it had been said plently of times that Tyrone's style of play is a good one to beat Kerry (as we know it can't be the better players in that case! ;D), some claim Cork's might be a good one to beat Tyrone.
Just on all these teams with Quinn out and Mcmenamin in the corner, Mcmenemin has'nt played there since 07 as he does not have the pace to follow nippy corner forwards and gives more out the field, thought Jordan was destroyed. We have to remember that the dubs beat kildare with 14 men and look at them yesterday so the form line for us aint great. I would be very worried about Cork though we have a manager more than capable of implementing a strategy to negate them.
Paddy Heaney in today's Irish News:
Tyrone still hold aces after dust settles on the Rebels' victory
Against the Breeze
Driving back from Croke Park on a Sunday night is often my favourite part of the matchday experience. The laptops are packed away, the interviews are done, and there's a chance to talk and gain further perspective on what exactly took place a few hours earlier.
Sunday past was a typical example. I was driving. Brendan Crossan, who was in unfeasibly good humour due to the fact that he put a fiver on Paul Kerrigan at 14/1 to score the first goal, volunteered to sit in the back. Kenny Archer (who backed Colm Cooper to score the first goal for Kerry) was in the passenger seat. Rather strangely, much of the conversation centred on Cork.
Following their emphatic dismantling of Donegal, we all agreed that they looked scarily impressive. And with the memory of their imperious display fresh in our minds, we all confessed that we fancied them to beat Tyrone. However, and here's the crunch, all three of us also realised that we would probably change our minds when given more time to consider the true merit of each side.
Less than 24 hours later and my weighing scales have already started to tip in the direction of Tyrone. The reason is this: In order to accurately assess Cork, the first thing you must do is to entirely dismiss their performance against Donegal. That's right. Completely erase it from your mind. Wipe it out. This must be done because what happened in Croke Park on Sunday between 2pm and 3.30pm doesn't matter. It counts for nothing because it wasn't a proper game. There was no tension, therefore players weren't tested under proper match conditions.
Pressure changes everything. Think of professional snooker. Consider how even the best players can miss the most routine shots whenever the beads of sweat trickle down their temple. Now think of the same players whenever they have compiled a large break that has put a frame beyond reach. They pot freely. They languidly ghost around the table, making shots with ease. This is precisely what we witnessed between Cork and Donegal. The game was over after 10 minutes. Once the pressure was off, the Rebels were able to relax and put on a show.
Kerrigan is an excellent example. During the few minutes of the game when the outcome wasn't known, the talented wing-forward gained possession 50 yards from goal. He was immediately caught in three minds as to whether he should shoot, pass, or carry. After some dithering, he opted for the first option. It was the wrong one. It was the decision of an inexperienced young player. But Kerrigan's uncertainty vanished once Cork gained some breathing space and he bagged 1-4.
Suddenly, he was dancing around the green baize. The suspicion remains that Cork's forward line isn't that good.
Kildare also looked dangerous when chalking up huge tallies against Offaly, Laois, and Wexford. At least seven players got on the scoresheet in each contest. We were told that the Lilywhites were no longer dependent on John Doyle and his free-kicks. We were told Kildare had a team that could produce scores from every sector of the field. The second half of Sunday's game told us a different story. When Tyrone tightened the vice, the Kildare men, who were kicking points against lowly Laois and awful Offaly, disappeared. The stats are damning. Kildare registered just four points in the second half, and all but one of them came from the boot of John Doyle.
When Tyrone applied the full pressure, Kildare were seen in their true colours: a vastly-improved team with only two truly outstanding footballers – Dermot Earley and Doyle. Cork will get the same treatment as Kildare, only it will be more intense and more sustained.
The plotting will already have begun. Tyrone have already proved to be incredibly adaptable to the challenges presented by different opponents. Team formations and systems of play have changed from game to game. For the Ulster final against Antrim, Tyrone anticipated that the Saffrons would deploy a sweeper so they played a running game. They attacked in straight lines and rarely punted any kick passes into their full-forward duo of Stephen O'Neill and Tommy McGuigan. Yet Tyrone completed changed their entire gameplan for Sunday's quarter-final. Realising that Kieran McGeeney had abandoned his designs on turning the Lilywhites into a defence-orientated side, Harte set out to expose the Kildare full-back line.
The running game was jettisoned in favour of long kick-passes to O'Neill, Owen Mulligan, and Martin Penrose, and the trio tagged nine points from play. Right now, Harte will be pondering over which system of attack will generate the most scores. Given the strength of Cork full-backs Michael Shields and Anthony Lynch, he'll probably revert to the running game. And if Philip Jordan, Ryan McMenamin and Davy Harte are launching counter-attacks, it will keep the likes of Kerrigan and Pierce O'Neill at the other end of the pitch.
Plans will also be put in place to thwart John Miskella and Graham Canty. Unlike their last outing, Cork will be placed under the oppressive heat of Tyrone's instant and intensive tackling. Then we'll see what Cork are really made of.
Those of us with longer memories can recall the Rebels demolishing Mayo 5-15 to 0-10 in the 1993 All-Ireland semi-final. That's the same type of margin that Cork and Kerry achieved in their recent victories over Donegal and Dublin. Yet, Cork lost that '93 final. There's a lesson in there for those who are already getting carried away by what they witnessed on Sunday and yesterday. It's easy to look good in exhibition games. The true measure of a team is how they perform during the last 10 minutes of a tight game in front of 82,000 fans. We know how Tyrone react in such circumstances. That's why they still remain the safest bet for Sam.
- Those readers and acquaintances who are calling for me to apologise for my obituary on Kerry football last week will have to wait.
I'm sticking by my comments. I never said the Dubs would beat Kerry. (Everybody beats the Dubs.)
But I did state that Kerry would get beaten in Croke Park this summer. Until such times as I'm proved wrong, no humble pie will be eaten.
Jeez, i wouldnt read too much into what Paddy writes after his piece about Kerry's demise, although in fairness to him most pundits & journalists were of the
same opinion :-\
It's been a strange season so far for Tyrone
Getting of to the usual meetings with the two aul enemies Armagh & Derry
Then onto the new ground of Antrim in an Ulster final and then Kildare in a quarterfinal.
Now Cork in a AI semi which is another first but will it end there or will we revert to a winner takes all for the decade clash with the mighty Mayo sorry I mean Kerry. :o
I'd say there will be a lot of analysis and comparing of styles between Cork & Tyrone in the next few weeks.
Will be a battle of tactics with players trying to get the edge and swapping of positions all over the field or will it be a war of attrition as Brolly loves to say.
I must say it was good to see Tyrone's reaction to going in 4 points down at half time and struggling to win much ball in the middle third.
A lot is being made of Cork's height, strength & athletism & was it the main factors in getting them over Kerry.
All year people have been saying Tyrone are just coasting and its dangerous going into big games like that but Cork haven't exactly had their necks pinned to the collar this season and so hopefully we get another cracker game like last Sunday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 10:55:59 AM
It's been a strange season so far for Tyrone
Getting of to the usual meetings with the two aul enemies Armagh & Derry
Then onto the new ground of Antrim in an Ulster final and then Kildare in a quarterfinal.
Now Cork in a AI semi which is another first but will it end there or will we revert to a winner takes all for the decade clash with the mighty Mayo sorry I mean Kerry. :o
I'd say there will be a lot of analysis and comparing of styles between Cork & Tyrone in the next few weeks.
Will be a battle of tactics with players trying to get the edge and swapping of positions all over the field or will it be a war of attrition as Brolly loves to say.
I must say it was good to see Tyrone's reaction to going in 4 points down at half time and struggling to win much ball in the middle third.
A lot is being made of Cork's height, strength & athletism & was it the main factors in getting them over Kerry.
All year people have been saying Tyrone are just coasting and its dangerous going into big games like that but Cork haven't exactly had their necks pinned to the collar this season and so hopefully we get another cracker game like last Sunday.
makes it all the more important we get mc ginley back
you would imagine tyrone will take a lot of quick kick outs or try and hit the wings as much as possible as physically we wont be able to cope at midfield with cork.
Agreed. Packy's quick kickouts all hit their man . Top notch, but the rebels will be wise to this. McGeeney had a man following Joe McMahon for the quick kickouts, so PJ and Harte made themselves available. Those big floaters into midfield I'm dreading. The tactical battle will be intriguing.
to be fair, its the big high-feilding midfielder, the likes of whelan or o'se ,that Hub normally excels against.
mickey usually send him out to do a spoiling job and break as much as he can and then tyrone depend on the likes of dooher, ricey,mcginley, jordan etc to pick up the majority of breaks around the middle.
was impressed with packies kickouts on sunday alright, relieved the pressure quite a few times
every game is different ... yeah cork are a big side, ...massive midfield, strong runniing half backs, tall fast forward division, whats new then?
i believed after last sundays draw was made ... kildare was a serious outfit ..... @ that stage i would have taken cork if available, kildare have been taken care off, job done no panic, ...one game @ a time.
now we have cork ... i'm happy ... a totally new ball game for them, tyrone will ajust their gameplan accordlly and win this game!!!
can cork? ....i don't believe they can ..... tyrone to win ...with enough to spare.
This has the makings of a cracker but i'm done making predictions. It would take 500 pages to cover all the 'what ifs'. I still can't believe what happened to Donegal and Dublin. I find it hard to believe Meath made a QF too. Anything can happen.
Good news
Tyrone's Enda McGinley is expected to be fit for their All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Cork.
McGinley injured his hamstring during training last month and subsequently missed the matches against Antrim in the Ulster SFC final and the quarter-final victory over Kildare.
His presence was missed in midfield in both games however and his return would be a huge boost to the All-Ireland champions against a physically strong Rebel midfield.
And that now looks likely after manager Mickey Harte revealed he was close to playing some part against Kildare.
Quote from: orangeman on August 05, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
Good news
Tyrone's Enda McGinley is expected to be fit for their All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Cork.
McGinley injured his hamstring during training last month and subsequently missed the matches against Antrim in the Ulster SFC final and the quarter-final victory over Kildare.
His presence was missed in midfield in both games however and his return would be a huge boost to the All-Ireland champions against a physically strong Rebel midfield.
And that now looks likely after manager Mickey Harte revealed he was close to playing some part against Kildare.
Who was the Enda McGinley who came on as a sub in this game then ::)
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 05, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 05, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
Good news
Tyrone's Enda McGinley is expected to be fit for their All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Cork.
McGinley injured his hamstring during training last month and subsequently missed the matches against Antrim in the Ulster SFC final and the quarter-final victory over Kildare.
His presence was missed in midfield in both games however and his return would be a huge boost to the All-Ireland champions against a physically strong Rebel midfield.
And that now looks likely after manager Mickey Harte revealed he was close to playing some part against Kildare.
Who was the Enda McGinley who came on as a sub in this game then ::)
Sshhh, that was another Enda McGinley.......we dont talk about him round these parts :P
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 05, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 05, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 05, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
Good news
Tyrone's Enda McGinley is expected to be fit for their All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Cork.
McGinley injured his hamstring during training last month and subsequently missed the matches against Antrim in the Ulster SFC final and the quarter-final victory over Kildare.
His presence was missed in midfield in both games however and his return would be a huge boost to the All-Ireland champions against a physically strong Rebel midfield.
And that now looks likely after manager Mickey Harte revealed he was close to playing some part against Kildare.
Who was the Enda McGinley who came on as a sub in this game then ::)
Sshhh, that was another Enda McGinley.......we dont talk about him round these parts :P
Sssh, don't let it slip about the cloning factory here in Tyrone ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on August 05, 2009, 04:49:36 PM
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 05, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 05, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 05, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
Good news
Tyrone's Enda McGinley is expected to be fit for their All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Cork.
McGinley injured his hamstring during training last month and subsequently missed the matches against Antrim in the Ulster SFC final and the quarter-final victory over Kildare.
His presence was missed in midfield in both games however and his return would be a huge boost to the All-Ireland champions against a physically strong Rebel midfield.
And that now looks likely after manager Mickey Harte revealed he was close to playing some part against Kildare.
Who was the Enda McGinley who came on as a sub in this game then ::)
Sshhh, that was another Enda McGinley.......we dont talk about him round these parts :P
Sssh, don't let it slip about the cloning factory here in Tyrone ;)
Sure isn't everyone in tyrone Enda McGinley at least once....
Lads I have a problem................This past few years unlike most people in the country I have 3 teams to follow! Up until recently I only ever had to really worry about 2 of them. I'm a Down man married to a Tyrone woman, so I'd go to Down Ulster championship matches and the Tyrone ones with her and I'd genuinely support Tyrone unless of course they were playing Down. Was always great this past few years after Down go out to still have a good interest as living in Tyrone you kind of can get swept up in the excitement. Last years AI Final was unreal!
However here lies my problem........My dad is a Cork man and I in fact was born in Cork, and I always like to see them doing well too (I've no other relations in Kerry by the way to try and jump on their bandwagon too). As a result I'm kind of thinking, I may be drinking the Tyrone water day in day out but they say blood is thicker than water....and mine is 50% Cork blood. The wife and in-laws will disown me if I jump on Cork's bandwagon and my dad will disown me if I don't support Cork. What do I do??? I'm genuinely torn.....maybe I'll just see who's winning on the day and support them ;)
When it comes to the match I think it will be a titanic high scoring struggle, but I think Mickey Harte is so shrewd he'll manufacture another famous win and Tyrone will win with 3 points to spare.
Ps I'm ready for all the stick I am about to receive ;D
It is important to avenge '73! Not conceding 5 goal would be a start. Was reading about that Cork team, scored 5 vs Kerry, 5 vs Tyrone and 3 vs Galway in the final, with a 19yr old JBM to the fore, they must have has one of the most prolific goal records ever?
Quote from: D4S on August 05, 2009, 07:39:47 PM
Lads I have a problem................This past few years unlike most people in the country I have 3 teams to follow! Up until recently I only ever had to really worry about 2 of them. I'm a Down man married to a Tyrone woman, so I'd go to Down Ulster championship matches and the Tyrone ones with her and I'd genuinely support Tyrone unless of course they were playing Down. Was always great this past few years after Down go out to still have a good interest as living in Tyrone you kind of can get swept up in the excitement. Last years AI Final was unreal!
However here lies my problem........My dad is a Cork man and I in fact was born in Cork, and I always like to see them doing well too (I've no other relations in Kerry by the way to try and jump on their bandwagon too). As a result I'm kind of thinking, I may be drinking the Tyrone water day in day out but they say blood is thicker than water....and mine is 50% Cork blood. The wife and in-laws will disown me if I jump on Cork's bandwagon and my dad will disown me if I don't support Cork. What do I do??? I'm genuinely torn.....maybe I'll just see who's winning on the day and support them ;)
When it comes to the match I think it will be a titanic high scoring struggle, but I think Mickey Harte is so shrewd he'll manufacture another famous win and Tyrone will win with 3 points to spare.
Ps I'm ready for all the stick I am about to receive ;D
Get down to the bookies, flip a coin, get a good wedge of money on one team, then use that as your excuse to support them.
Quote from: D4S on August 05, 2009, 07:39:47 PM
Ps I'm ready for all the stick I am about to receive ;D
Stick from us? Nah, not at all, you Cork bast*rd! ;)
Perhaps get O'Neills to make you one of those dual jerseys, half Tyrone and half Cork. Then it'd be a win-win for you*.
* Only until the game, then it would be a win-lose.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 05, 2009, 07:51:08 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 05, 2009, 07:39:47 PM
Ps I'm ready for all the stick I am about to receive ;D
Stick from us? Nah, not at all, you Cork bast*rd! ;)
LOL :D :D!!! Good idea about puttin money on 1 of them and then I can justify my decision to the others.
It is a tough 1 for me to decide, I think I know who I would prefer to win but I can't say without offending....At least I'll be sure to have someone to support in the final ;D
Just tell your Da there's a woman involved. He'll understand.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 05, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
Just tell your Da there's a woman involved. He'll understand.
Ziggy your wisdom is invaluable....If only I'd known it could be as easy as that to betray him and blame the woman ;)!
3 weeks between games is a killer. Last year was a rollercoaster every week, then we could enjoy the build up to the final. My nerves will be shattered by the 23rd August. I won't get a chance to re-watch the 70 minutes against Kildare until the weekend, but I really need to see that before I can hazard a guess at what the beard might do regarding team selection for the rebel challenge. When you watch the game on the day, when you're so high up in the stand and the tension is almost too much, you tend to miss certain things. How did Jordan of all people get such a savaging, did Davy do enough defensively, did PJ deserve to get hauled ashore? How much treatment was meted out to Cavanagh? Sean can be expecting more of the same I'd say. At least there's the return of senior club football to keep us ticking over....
When are the beards going to be brought back?
They had a huge psychological effect on the opposition last year.
It's all 6 games, 6 wins, no extra-time in 09.
First qualifer game last yr v Louth was 19th July, weeks & weeks after the Down defeat. Beards was all they could do.
I'd heard a rumour the boys were all going to grow moustaches this year until it was pointed out they'd all look like Derry women, so the plan was dropped
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 05, 2009, 07:41:23 PM
It is important to avenge '73! Not conceding 5 goal would be a start. Was reading about that Cork team, scored 5 vs Kerry, 5 vs Tyrone and 3 vs Galway in the final, with a 19yr old JBM to the fore, they must have has one of the most prolific goal records ever?
1973 Tyrone stuffed by Cork, my first visit to Croker. Tissue paper hats & still in the short trousers, with Jimmy Barry Murphy and his George Best locks making us all cry the whole way home.
revenge is long overdue. As long as they don't bring Jimmy Barry Murphy this time!
Still got the programme for that one, the Tyrone jerseys in the early 70S were the best we ever saw with white socks with red tops & of course no such thing as red shorts. Bring back the old 70's kit for the semi!
Jasus dont mention the block HS. Some of those apple munchers are still crying conspiracy theory
I think we got away with it Bensars. Ssssh. No doubt Pints will be in here at 5.00pm on Sunday 23rd August to stir it up again though ;)
Quote from: qz on August 06, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 05, 2009, 07:41:23 PM
It is important to avenge '73! Not conceding 5 goal would be a start. Was reading about that Cork team, scored 5 vs Kerry, 5 vs Tyrone and 3 vs Galway in the final, with a 19yr old JBM to the fore, they must have has one of the most prolific goal records ever?
1973 Tyrone stuffed by Cork, my first visit to Croker. Tissue paper hats & still in the short trousers, with Jimmy Barry Murphy and his George Best locks making us all cry the whole way home.
revenge is long overdue. As long as they don't bring Jimmy Barry Murphy this time!
Still got the programme for that one, the Tyrone jerseys in the early 70S were the best we ever saw with white socks with red tops & of course no such thing as red shorts. Bring back the old 70's kit for the semi!
I believe Trillick's Barney McAnespie had the dubious honour of marking JBM that day?
Quote from: D4S on August 05, 2009, 07:39:47 PM
Lads I have a problem................This past few years unlike most people in the country I have 3 teams to follow! Up until recently I only ever had to really worry about 2 of them. I'm a Down man married to a Tyrone woman, so I'd go to Down Ulster championship matches and the Tyrone ones with her and I'd genuinely support Tyrone unless of course they were playing Down. Was always great this past few years after Down go out to still have a good interest as living in Tyrone you kind of can get swept up in the excitement. Last years AI Final was unreal!
However here lies my problem........My dad is a Cork man and I in fact was born in Cork, and I always like to see them doing well too (I've no other relations in Kerry by the way to try and jump on their bandwagon too). As a result I'm kind of thinking, I may be drinking the Tyrone water day in day out but they say blood is thicker than water....and mine is 50% Cork blood. The wife and in-laws will disown me if I jump on Cork's bandwagon and my dad will disown me if I don't support Cork. What do I do??? I'm genuinely torn.....maybe I'll just see who's winning on the day and support them ;)
When it comes to the match I think it will be a titanic high scoring struggle, but I think Mickey Harte is so shrewd he'll manufacture another famous win and Tyrone will win with 3 points to spare.
Ps I'm ready for all the stick I am about to receive ;D
No need for all that agonising D4S...you're a langer!!
Get away outta that ye Langer ;)!!!!!!!!!
Yep a proud cork man I shall be, and then if Tyrone win I will support them in the final....jesus it's tough havin 3 teams to follow in the championship every year!
1973 eh?
The year I was born and so 36 years later and we gain revenge but sure the Langers half want us to win anyways as they say themselves we're the only wans who can beat Ciarri.
Watched a bit of the Kildare game again last night as was recording it to DVD for a mate.
The pic pens RTE have must be from at least 5 years ago.
People would say Tyrone are a much bigger team that the teams of the 90's but looking through the heights and weights there is still a lot of men under 6 foot.
Both Hub & Cavanagh are 6'1'' and 14 stone I think.
Its a long time since our two wing backs got it put up to them as well as last Sunday. Kildare's Kavanagh looks a great footballer and I'd say Cork & Kerry would have learnt a lot from how Kildare exposed this weakness. Wonder how Mickey will counteract that one.
You'd have to wonder is this the game to move one of the McMahon's to MF?
Even just to break the ball better cos on Sunday we were really struggling to get ball and I'm not sure Cork will allow so many turn overs.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 06, 2009, 11:57:26 AM
1973 eh?
The year I was born and so 36 years later and we gain revenge but sure the Langers half want us to win anyways as they say themselves we're the only wans who can beat Ciarri.
Watched a bit of the Kildare game again last night as was recording it to DVD for a mate.
The pic pens RTE have must be from at least 5 years ago.
People would say Tyrone are a much bigger team that the teams of the 90's but looking through the heights and weights there is still a lot of men under 6 foot.
Both Hub & Cavanagh are 6'1'' and 14 stone I think.
Its a long time since our two wing backs got it put up to them as well as last Sunday. Kildare's Kavanagh looks a great footballer and I'd say Cork & Kerry would have learnt a lot from how Kildare exposed this weakness. Wonder how Mickey will counteract that one.
You'd have to wonder is this the game to move one of the McMahon's to MF?
Even just to break the ball better cos on Sunday we were really struggling to get ball and I'm not sure Cork will allow so many turn overs.
Kerry had a good midfield last year. Hughes was very effective - same with Enda and if Enda is back, Sean can drift in there too.
I think we can shock them by playing Enda, Sean, Hub, Justin & Joey in there and play with a 2 man Full back line and 2 man FF line
They'll not know what to do and it will stop Miskella making runs forward.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 06, 2009, 04:36:45 PM
I think we can shock them by playing Enda, Sean, Hub, Justin & Joey in there and play with a 2 man Full back line and 2 man FF line
They'll not know what to do and it will stop Miskella making runs forward.
Justin McMahon has been very good primarily at full back and to a lesser extent at centre back where he played against Armagh. I think he will be needed to man the centre of the defence against the big, strong and pacey Cork outfit.
In 1973 Did Cork wear the vanquished Tyrone players' jerseys in the final or is that an old pub one?
Please someone point out one or two Cork deficiencies before I decide whether or not I want to bother going to this match. It seems that it will be lost in the middle of the pitch or by our half backs who aren't much good at defending.
Any reason for Tyrone to be positive? Apart from blind faith in MH of course.
Rois, Our faith is our biggest strength. Please go to the game.
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2009, 05:40:23 PM
In 1973 Did Cork wear the vanquished Tyrone players' jerseys in the final or is that an old pub one?
Well they certainly wore white that day with red trim as Galway were in traditional maroon. Got the program for that final in front of me! Both teams in the minors had to change as well .Tyrone in bui ( saffron) & Kildare in glas (green).
Ziggy mentioned this in the Tyrone v Kildare thread:
Quote from: ziggysego on July 30, 2009, 04:04:01 PM
Back to the county colours query...
Tyrone met Kildare in the 1973 AI Minor Final ... and both teams (as was the pattern then) changed to their Provincial colours. Tyrone wore saffron whilst Kildare wore green. And of course Tyrone won – despite Kildress' Martin Lennon giving away a penalty!!! Conor Gormley's father, Sean, played that day at right-half back.
As an aside, for the senior game that day Cork wore a brand new Tyrone (yes, Tyrone!) strip! Cork's red and Galway's maroon obviously clashed so Cork borrowed a fresh-from-the-factory Tyrone strip which hadn't yet had the red hand sewn on. Look at any pictures of that Final and you'll see Cork in all-white with a red trim and red tops to the socks – Tyrone's classic early 1970s strip.
A man said to me at the weekend a Tyrone win would be good for the traditional ideals of the GAA but a Cork win would be a GPA boost and a sign that player power can achieve great things.
Is this semifinal set to be a battle of ideals?
Quote from: Rois on August 06, 2009, 05:45:57 PM
Please someone point out one or two Cork deficiencies before I decide whether or not I want to bother going to this match. It seems that it will be lost in the middle of the pitch or by our half backs who aren't much good at defending.
Any reason for Tyrone to be positive? Apart from blind faith in MH of course.
Good one Rois ;)
Cork are the new Dublin.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2009, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 06, 2009, 05:45:57 PM
Please someone point out one or two Cork deficiencies before I decide whether or not I want to bother going to this match. It seems that it will be lost in the middle of the pitch or by our half backs who aren't much good at defending.
Any reason for Tyrone to be positive? Apart from blind faith in MH of course.
Good one Rois ;)
1990 is probably the last time Cork beat a top side in championship football in Croke Park.
It is still the same group of Cork players that have continually choked every year in Croker (anyone recall 2007 AI Final humiliation?).
Like the Dubs, they look good beating poor opposition but when things get tight they fall apart.
Cork have been put under pressure once this year and that was a against limerick in the munster final. A game that if Limerick had more experienced players would have undoubtedly won. The initial games against Kerry were at a time when the Kingdom was in disarray and the game against Donegal can be discounted altogether.
There is a lot of talk of corks size around the middle and how they will dominate. This is not totally irrelevant but moreso somewhat redundant in the fact that Tyrone very rarely win the traditional midfield battle. I would expect Tyrone to play a more running and possession orientated game with high energy and tackling anything that moves in droves and in that battle its not the Size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog, so to speak.
I'm afraid to say I haven't saw much of Cork this year bar their first game with Kerry.
Can anyone give us a run down on their best players this year and what their strengths & weaknesses are?
I know Miskella has done well & as usual Canty & their midfield.
Have they really been tested yet with the level of intensity that Tyrone wil bring.
Kildare surprised Tyrone with their intensity & speed to the ball last Sunday but couldn't keep it up for the 2nd half
I'd expect a lot of short kickouts from Packie & a lot of swarming the COrk midfielders when they catch it clean
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2009, 05:40:23 PM
In 1973 Did Cork wear the vanquished Tyrone players' jerseys in the final or is that an old pub one?
Indeed they did... and Billy Morgan thanked Tyrone for the jerseys during the victory speech. I was at the final and Tyrone minors hammered Kildare. The senior final is in the Guinness Book of Records for the highest combinest score in an All Ireland senior football final...Cork beat Galway and JBM was the maestro. Re-earlier post my memory would be Peter Mulgrew of Stewartstown marked Jimmy Barry in the semi-final and JBM got 3 goals I think. A few months later Murphy scored about five golas off Mulgrew in the Railway Cup. Was a great Cork taem but Dubs beat them the next year and then emerged the great Kerry side...
I think this could be the game of the year and a lot closer than some people are predicting, both teams performances so far have been steadily increasing in intensity while the standard of football has been high.
I have a sneaky feeling about Cork this year,
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 07, 2009, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2009, 05:40:23 PM
In 1973 Did Cork wear the vanquished Tyrone players' jerseys in the final or is that an old pub one?
Indeed they did... and Billy Morgan thanked Tyrone for the jerseys during the victory speech. I was at the final and Tyrone minors hammered Kildare. The senior final is in the Guinness Book of Records for the highest combinest score in an All Ireland senior football final...Cork beat Galway and JBM was the maestro. Re-earlier post my memory would be Peter Mulgrew of Stewartstown marked Jimmy Barry in the semi-final and JBM got 3 goals I think. A few months later Murphy scored about five golas off Mulgrew in the Railway Cup. Was a great Cork taem but Dubs beat them the next year and then emerged the great Kerry side...
Thought it was McAnespie? Or maybe they tried a few on him.
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2009, 06:20:45 PM
A man said to me at the weekend a Tyrone win would be good for the traditional ideals of the GAA but a Cork win would be a GPA boost and a sign that player power can achieve great things.
Is this semifinal set to be a battle of ideals?
Was it Sean Cavanagh that told you that?
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 07, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2009, 06:20:45 PM
A man said to me at the weekend a Tyrone win would be good for the traditional ideals of the GAA but a Cork win would be a GPA boost and a sign that player power can achieve great things.
Is this semifinal set to be a battle of ideals?
Was it Sean Cavanagh that told you that?
Art McRory actually :P
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 08, 2009, 12:22:01 AM
When are the teams bein announced lads?
In about two weeks ::) :-\
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 08, 2009, 12:22:01 AM
When are the teams bein announced lads?
Tyrone team 8):
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Arain
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 08, 2009, 01:18:09 AM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 08, 2009, 12:22:01 AM
When are the teams bein announced lads?
Tyrone team 8):
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Arain
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
If Mc Ginley plays (lets hope), could Sean Cavanagh drop into CHF in place of Tommy Mc Guigan (who has been well below par) for an intriguing battle with Canty? He's better with more space to run at goal. I'd have a notion Canty could roast him though.
Unlikely, more likely to see Sean return up front with SON dropping into the corner, mugsy in the other, and I'd hate to see Marty Penrose dropped before TMcG. Don't think MH will go with Brian Mc Guigan for the full 70, you know rightly he'll go again with Tommy... :-\
QuoteIf Mc Ginley plays (lets hope), could Sean Cavanagh drop into CHF in place of Tommy Mc Guigan (who has been well below par) for an intriguing battle with Canty? He's better with more space to run at goal. I'd have a notion Canty could roast him though.
Unlikely, more likely to see Sean return up front with SON dropping into the corner, mugsy in the other, and I'd hate to see Marty Penrose dropped before TMcG. Don't think MH will go with Brian Mc Guigan for the full 70, you know rightly he'll go again with Tommy... Undecided
Although I don't think it's Sean best position I think we'll see him start at 14 for the reason being, Cork's backs
with lynch and co could very well snuff out the threat of O'Neill and Mulligan playing the traditional 2 man FF line,
Big Sean could offer more with runners on either shoulder.
Fatigue is going to play a huge part in this game in what will be high intensity with non stop running from the off so it's not a bad thing to have the likes
of Penrose and McCullagh ??? to come in in the second half with their pace , I think bench management and the timing of fresh legs in key areas could
well be the winning of this game especially in the last 15 minutes.
Is Enda showing signs of being ready....?
Just back from a stint in Cork. They're mightily confident down there about this one with many looking forward to finally nabbing Kerry's scalp in September.
I also think it'll be Hub/Enda at centrefield and Sean, O'Neill and Mugsy a three-pronged attack. Tommy v Penrose for the bench. Looking forward to this more than the Kildare game.
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2009, 08:31:11 PM
Just back from a stint in Cork. They're mightily confident down there about this one with many looking forward to finally nabbing Kerry's scalp in September.
Are they ever anything else? ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2009, 08:31:11 PM
Just back from a stint in Cork. They're mightily confident down there about this one with many looking forward to finally nabbing Kerry's scalp in September.
I also think it'll be Hub/Enda at centrefield and Sean, O'Neill and Mugsy a three-pronged attack. Tommy v Penrose for the bench. Looking forward to this more than the Kildare game.
Hope you told them that we're pretty confident up here in Tyrone too.
Put it this way. I'd rather be a TYrone man heading towards this match than a Cork one !!
Quote from: Gaffer on August 08, 2009, 08:53:04 PM
Hope you told them that we're pretty confident up here in Tyrone too.
Put it this way. I'd rather be a TYrone man heading towards this match than a Cork one !!
Interesting
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 08, 2009, 08:53:04 PM
Hope you told them that we're pretty confident up here in Tyrone too.
Put it this way. I'd rather be a TYrone man heading towards this match than a Cork one !!
Interesting
Why?
I can't imagine why you are so confident.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 10:03:04 PM
I can't imagine why you are so confident.
Ask Paddy Power.
Just to Echo what ONeill said above. Am exiled in langerland for a fair while and there's alot of optimism about meeting and beating the Red Hands. You may be right FSB about the bookies but their radar was a little off on us v the Dubs last Monday.
Having seen the rebels up close this year they do have something that they didn't have before and thats belief that they're as good as anything out there. Whether they'll still have it around 5.00pm next Sunday fortnight........................to be continued
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 08, 2009, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 10:03:04 PM
I can't imagine why you are so confident.
Ask Paddy Power.
Ah yes coz he knows all, don't be silly.
In a way I hope the Tyrone squad have the same sort of complacency about their opposition that their supporters seem to have.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 08, 2009, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 10:03:04 PM
I can't imagine why you are so confident.
Ask Paddy Power.
Ah yes coz he knows all, don't be silly.
In a way I hope the Tyrone squad have the same sort of complacency about their opposition that their supporters seem to have.
What, exactly, are you basing your confidence on that we'll be beaten?
We're nothing more than cautiously confident, and why wouldn't the reigning All-Ireland Champs who have yet to hit top-gear be confident facing into a semi-final, a stage at which this particular team have never lost?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 08, 2009, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 08, 2009, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 10:03:04 PM
I can't imagine why you are so confident.
Ask Paddy Power.
Ah yes coz he knows all, don't be silly.
In a way I hope the Tyrone squad have the same sort of complacency about their opposition that their supporters seem to have.
What, exactly, are you basing your confidence on that we'll be beaten?
We're nothing more than cautiously confident, and why wouldn't the reigning All-Ireland Champs who have yet to hit top-gear be confident facing into a semi-final, a stage at which this particular team have never lost?
totally agree .... as all-ireland champions why the hell should we hold any fear of the rebels,
to be honest, kildare were the one team who concerned me .... and that hurdle has been cleared.
I am not confident youse will be beaten I just think Tyronies shouldn't be complacent about Cork. Look where complacency got them in the first half against Kildare. I would love to see the Rebels turn youse over - that I freely admit
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 11:57:57 PM
I am not confident youse will be beaten I just think Tyronies shouldn't be complacent about Cork. Look where complacency got them in the first half against Kildare. I would love to see the Rebels turn youse over - that I freely admit
That you loatheTír Eoghain and everything about us is quite plain, but there's certainly no complacency here with us, we know exactly the magnitude of the task-at-hand. This team are proven winners at this level when the occasion demands it. That's where we get the confidence from, but it's far from over-confidence -- this is a seriously good Cork team, and unless we rise to the challenge we'll be beaten. I think we'll rise.
It has been a refreshing championship for Tyrone - Antrim, Kildare and now Cork. Plenty of new challenges to keep the focus. If McGinley returns for the Cork game it's one hell of a boost, despite his supposed dip in form. Great to see Mulligan in great form, especially when opposing defences seem to congregate on O'Neill in their droves when he gets a touch of the leather.
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2009, 08:31:11 PM
I also think it'll be Hub/Enda at centrefield and Sean, O'Neill and Mugsy a three-pronged attack. Tommy v Penrose for the bench. Looking forward to this more than the Kildare game.
If he goes with Big sean number 14 (as likely) with SON and Mugsy then Penrose will get the drop I imagine. His deployment all year has been fast ball played in to the full forward line (usually diagonal). I like Marty Penrose a lot, but I'll understand if he's dropped, as he hasn't the physique to be in the half forward line against this Cork half back line. Although Mugsy actually played out the field earlier in the championship with marty and SON up front, I think Mugsy has proven far more effective closer to goal.
I'd like to see:
Dooher Brian Mc Guigan Joe Mc Mahon
S O'Neill Sean Cavanagh Owen Mulligan
Its not that I'm a massive fan of Cavanagh at 14, its just I think we need a football genius like Brian Mc Guigan utilising the possession (Tommy gave away some bad ball against Kildare, and Dooher was a culprit too) in that area. As well as that, Hub is at the peak of his career and Mc Ginley is just an outstanding footballer, he works so hard and delivers.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 09, 2009, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2009, 08:31:11 PM
I also think it'll be Hub/Enda at centrefield and Sean, O'Neill and Mugsy a three-pronged attack. Tommy v Penrose for the bench. Looking forward to this more than the Kildare game.
If he goes with Big sean number 14 (as likely) with SON and Mugsy then Penrose will get the drop I imagine. His deployment all year has been fast ball played in to the full forward line (usually diagonal). I like Marty Penrose a lot, but I'll understand if he's dropped, as he hasn't the physique to be in the half forward line against this Cork half back line. Although Mugsy actually played out the field earlier in the championship with marty and SON up front, I think Mugsy has proven far more effective closer to goal.
I'd like to see:
Dooher Brian Mc Guigan Joe Mc Mahon
S O'Neill Sean Cavanagh Owen Mulligan
Its not that I'm a massive fan of Cavanagh at 14, its just I think we need a football genius like Brian Mc Guigan utilising the possession (Tommy gave away some bad ball against Kildare, and Dooher was a culprit too) in that area. As well as that, Hub is at the peak of his career and Mc Ginley is just an outstanding footballer, he works so hard and delivers.
Still thnk he'll save Brian for the 2nd half. Big ask to put him CHF against Cork with not that much football behind him. Get him on with 20 to go, I'd say it will still be tight enough at that stage. His class will then help us close it out. Tyrone by 3.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 10:03:04 PM
I can't imagine why you are so confident.
Why shouldn't we be confident?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2009, 12:13:57 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 11:57:57 PM
I am not confident youse will be beaten I just think Tyronies shouldn't be complacent about Cork. Look where complacency got them in the first half against Kildare. I would love to see the Rebels turn youse over - that I freely admit
That you loatheTír Eoghain and everything about us is quite plain, but there's certainly no complacency here with us, we know exactly the magnitude of the task-at-hand. This team are proven winners at this level when the occasion demands it. That's where we get the confidence from, but it's far from over-confidence -- this is a seriously good Cork team, and unless we rise to the challenge we'll be beaten. I think we'll rise.
That's exactly what I am getting at about Cork. They are the best I have seen them in quite a few years
Oh and I wouldn't have such a problem with Tyrone if Tyronies would show more humility in winning and do less of the pointless bating that some do on here
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 09, 2009, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2009, 12:13:57 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 08, 2009, 11:57:57 PM
I am not confident youse will be beaten I just think Tyronies shouldn't be complacent about Cork. Look where complacency got them in the first half against Kildare. I would love to see the Rebels turn youse over - that I freely admit
That you loatheTír Eoghain and everything about us is quite plain, but there's certainly no complacency here with us, we know exactly the magnitude of the task-at-hand. This team are proven winners at this level when the occasion demands it. That's where we get the confidence from, but it's far from over-confidence -- this is a seriously good Cork team, and unless we rise to the challenge we'll be beaten. I think we'll rise.
That's exactly what I am getting at about Cork. They are the best I have seen them in quite a few years
Oh and I wouldn't have such a problem with Tyrone if Tyronies would show more humility in winning and do less of the pointless bating that some do on here
Don't know where you got the idea that we are complacent about the Cork game. I certainly am not. I agree with you that Cork will provide a stiff challenge , however I have faith in Mickey Harte and the experience of the team to overcome the Cork challenge. Its a pity you wont be supporting your neighbours on the 22nd.
Since last year, Brian McGuigan has been a class second half option. He holds the ball up at crucial times and usually steers the ship home, operating around the half back line. Love watching that fetch that set up Justin's score.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 09, 2009, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2009, 08:31:11 PM
I also think it'll be Hub/Enda at centrefield and Sean, O'Neill and Mugsy a three-pronged attack. Tommy v Penrose for the bench. Looking forward to this more than the Kildare game.
If he goes with Big sean number 14 (as likely) with SON and Mugsy then Penrose will get the drop I imagine. His deployment all year has been fast ball played in to the full forward line (usually diagonal). I like Marty Penrose a lot, but I'll understand if he's dropped, as he hasn't the physique to be in the half forward line against this Cork half back line. Although Mugsy actually played out the field earlier in the championship with marty and SON up front, I think Mugsy has proven far more effective closer to goal.
I'd like to see:
Dooher Brian Mc Guigan Joe Mc Mahon
S O'Neill Sean Cavanagh Owen Mulligan
Its not that I'm a massive fan of Cavanagh at 14, its just I think we need a football genius like Brian Mc Guigan utilising the possession (Tommy gave away some bad ball against Kildare, and Dooher was a culprit too) in that area. As well as that, Hub is at the peak of his career and Mc Ginley is just an outstanding footballer, he works so hard and delivers.
If Brian McGuigan is fit enough to play the full game then I think thats our best forward line. However for this game I think Harte should consider using Joe McMahon in defence. His size and strength might be needed there. If thats the case I would leave Penrose in the full forward line and move Cavanagh to half forward.
This game is going to be a huge test for the Tyrone team. Cork have been building and now look like a team with real All Ireland winning potential. I would call it pretty much 50 50. Tyrone need to work harder than they have done all year for the 70 mins. It has the potential to be the match of the championship.
ardmhachaabu, I had to ask a couple of pages ago whether we had any chance, as the Tyronies were pointing out all our deficiencies. Read back a few pages and you'll see how little confidence there is.
Enough of this negativity. We are the AI champions, we beat Kerry 3 times and we will beat them again if they make it past Meath ......why should we fear Cork ?
Let's not underestimate the unaccustomed effect of 99% of Kerry folk support for Cork with this one -- that could really mess with their heads!
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 09, 2009, 10:45:33 AM
That's exactly what I am getting at about Cork. They are the best I have seen them in quite a few years
I would not underestimate Cork, but they took 2 goes at beating (a then) under par Kerry side, went over 30 minutes without scoring against Limerick and had an exhibition game against Donegal. Can't see (other than a hatred of Tyrone) how you rate them as the best you've seen in quite a few years.
As for the confidence in Tyrone, I wouldn't mistake it for complacency. Despite the majority of the media tipping Kerry last September, there was a quiet confidence in Tyrone that has probably got a bit louder as AI Champions and the fact the team are unbeaten in the championship.
And anyway, is having confidence in your team not the definition of being a supporter!?!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2009, 05:05:58 PM
Let's not underestimate the unaccustomed effect of 99% of Kerry folk support for Cork with this one -- that could really mess with their heads!
FSB - quit your mind games here and now. Could well root for the Red Hands here. Feck it doing Meath and yourselves on the trot................................... pass the smelling salts. :P
Although in fairness Meath'll hammer us.
And Gooch is back on the beer.
And Galvin's after wasps again.
And Jack O'Connor has another book coming out on the 29th August called Keys to Hell.
Quote from: Rois on August 09, 2009, 01:08:22 PM
ardmhachaabu, I had to ask a couple of pages ago whether we had any chance, as the Tyronies were pointing out all our deficiencies. Read back a few pages and you'll see how little confidence there is.
I have been following the thread and to be fair I only replied to Gaffer as it was one of the silliest comments
Cork are beatable, so too are Tyrone as the Kildare match showed - arrogance annoys me though
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 09, 2009, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 09, 2009, 01:08:22 PM
ardmhachaabu, I had to ask a couple of pages ago whether we had any chance, as the Tyronies were pointing out all our deficiencies. Read back a few pages and you'll see how little confidence there is.
I have been following the thread and to be fair I only replied to Gaffer as it was one of the silliest comments
Cork are beatable, so too are Tyrone as the Kildare match showed - arrogance annoys me though
I take it you're not from Crossmaglen then.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 09, 2009, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 09, 2009, 01:08:22 PM
ardmhachaabu, I had to ask a couple of pages ago whether we had any chance, as the Tyronies were pointing out all our deficiencies. Read back a few pages and you'll see how little confidence there is.
I have been following the thread and to be fair I only replied to Gaffer as it was one of the silliest comments
Cork are beatable, so too are Tyrone as the Kildare match showed - arrogance annoys me though
And what was silly about what I said ?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2009, 05:05:58 PM
Let's not underestimate the unaccustomed effect of 99% of Kerry folk support for Cork with this one -- that could really mess with their heads!
Dont think any one from Kerry could ever root for Cork no matter who they play. You see, its an age old rivalry that no other county in Ireland can ever understand. Us Kerry people would far rather get beaten by any other county in Ireland other than Cork. (even Tyrone FOSB !!)
I think Tyrone will win this one with a bit to spare. We just have too much class with guys like Sean Cavanagh, Brian Dooher, Stevie and Mugsy. Also, I'd hope McCullagh starts this one. I think this is a game suited to him as he will get more space. Cork havent really beaten anyone except a poor Kerry side who IMO are a beaten docket. Dont be fooled by that Dublin result. I fancy Meath to beat them then it'll be revenge for '96 !!
Quote from: Tyrone_redhand on August 09, 2009, 10:24:17 PM
I think Tyrone will win this one with a bit to spare. We just have too much class with guys like Sean Cavanagh, Brian Dooher, Stevie and Mugsy. Also, I'd hope McCullagh starts this one. I think this is a game suited to him as he will get more space. Cork havent really beaten anyone except a poor Kerry side who IMO are a beaten docket. Dont be fooled by that Dublin result. I fancy Meath to beat them then it'll be revenge for '96 !!
Thats what some of the Mayo lads were saying earlier :-\ This is a serious Cork team and Tyrone will have to be at the very top of
their game to beat them.
I thought Tyrone would have beaten ourselves much more convincingly going into the quarter-final and if they are as lethargic again against Cork I don't think they'll win. Tyrone had trouble when Kildare ran at them but we couldn't do it consistently enough. Cork play a similar enough game to Kildare but I think they are much stronger than us in certain positions. I feel Shields and Lynch will do a better job of marshalling Mulligan and O'Neill and Tyrone might also struggle to curtail Canty, Miskella and O'Leary tearing forward from the half-back line.
It's a real 50/50 game as far as I'm concerned. A lot will depend on whether Cork can get a enough scores from Goulding and Donncha O'Connor. If their forwards step up, the rest of their team is good enough. Tyrone have the proven pedigree but they can't keep getting away with getting consistently cleaned out of it in midfield. Cork are excellent value at 13/8. If I was pricing it up I'd have it as 10/11 each of two.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 09, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
I thought Tyrone would have beaten ourselves much more convincingly going into the quarter-final and if they are as lethargic again against Cork I don't think they'll win. Tyrone had trouble when Kildare ran at them but we couldn't do it consistently enough. Cork play a similar enough game to Kildare but I think they are much stronger than us in certain positions. I feel Shields and Lynch will do a better job of marshalling Mulligan and O'Neill and Tyrone might also struggle to curtail Canty, Miskella and O'Leary tearing forward from the half-back line.
It's a real 50/50 game as far as I'm concerned. A lot will depend on whether Cork can get a enough scores from Goulding and Donncha O'Connor. If their forwards step up, the rest of their team is good enough. Tyrone have the proven pedigree but they can't keep getting away with getting consistently cleaned out of it in midfield. Cork are excellent value at 13/8. If I was pricing it up I'd have it as 10/11 each of two.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 09, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
I thought Tyrone would have beaten ourselves much more convincingly going into the quarter-final and if they are as lethargic again against Cork I don't think they'll win. Tyrone had trouble when Kildare ran at them but we couldn't do it consistently enough. Cork play a similar enough game to Kildare but I think they are much stronger than us in certain positions. I feel Shields and Lynch will do a better job of marshalling Mulligan and O'Neill and Tyrone might also struggle to curtail Canty, Miskella and O'Leary tearing forward from the half-back line.
It's a real 50/50 game as far as I'm concerned. A lot will depend on whether Cork can get a enough scores from Goulding and Donncha O'Connor. If their forwards step up, the rest of their team is good enough. Tyrone have the proven pedigree but they can't keep getting away with getting consistently cleaned out of it in midfield. Cork are excellent value at 13/8. If I was pricing it up I'd have it as 10/11 each of two.
From talking to a few Cork lads, Lynch might be struggling to make the s-final.
Evan without Anthony Lynch I still think Cork's full-back line is better equipped to stop the marquee Tyrone forwards than Kildare's was. They have plenty of options there with Derek Kavanagh, Noel O'Donovan and now Eoin Cadogan who was called onto their panel after the hurlers were knocked out.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 09, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
I thought Tyrone would have beaten ourselves much more convincingly going into the quarter-final and if they are as lethargic again against Cork I don't think they'll win. Tyrone had trouble when Kildare ran at them but we couldn't do it consistently enough. Cork play a similar enough game to Kildare but I think they are much stronger than us in certain positions. I feel Shields and Lynch will do a better job of marshalling Mulligan and O'Neill and Tyrone might also struggle to curtail Canty, Miskella and O'Leary tearing forward from the half-back line.
It's a real 50/50 game as far as I'm concerned. A lot will depend on whether Cork can get a enough scores from Goulding and Donncha O'Connor. If their forwards step up, the rest of their team is good enough. Tyrone have the proven pedigree but they can't keep getting away with getting consistently cleaned out of it in midfield. Cork are excellent value at 13/8. If I was pricing it up I'd have it as 10/11 each of two.
People have been talking about Tyrone getting cleaned out at midfield for years now but time and again we have seen that winning the majority of high balls at midfield isnt the key to Tyrone's success. It depends how you define winning/losing midfield too, Tyrone might not win the majority of catches but between breaking ball and bypassing midfield where possible they can get away with that.
Its a tough game to call certainly and Tyrone will need to play better than they did against Kildare but then again thats always been Mickey Harte's plan, that the team would be picking up form and peaking for August/September. I honestly had a strong feeling Tyrone would lose the last day so in a way relieved to be here and hopefully the big game atmosphere will see Tyrone once again raise their performance when it matters. Tyrone might only be one bad defeat away from seeing the end of this team but then again they are only 2 wins away from greatness. Cork looked great the last day but they havent come up against a side like Tyrone at their best. Its going to be an interesting day.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 09, 2009, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 09, 2009, 01:08:22 PM
ardmhachaabu, I had to ask a couple of pages ago whether we had any chance, as the Tyronies were pointing out all our deficiencies. Read back a few pages and you'll see how little confidence there is.
I have been following the thread and to be fair I only replied to Gaffer as it was one of the silliest comments
Cork are beatable, so too are Tyrone as the Kildare match showed - arrogance annoys me though
I don't think I know you Ardmhacaabu & I didn't bother to read through many of yer previous posts but to say us Tyr moanies are arrogant & cocky about how good we are or who we'll beat is a bit rich coming from an Armagh man. Now I'm not saying all Armagh men
were the same but from 2002 until last year most Armagh fans I knew always seem to overstate their claim as being the best team in the country and expected to win the AI every year they played.
I think we've proved by winning 3 AI's over 6 years that we are definitely
one of the top teams this decade and so naturally with most players fit and playing well we have higher expectations as we know we have the experience now to push through for another AI.
I don't see too many people on here mouthing off all the time saying we're the best ever team and will kick everyone asses.
The facts are we're the only team to have beaten Kerry 3 times this decade and so I think that alone gives us some leeway to showing a little confidence to maybe win another AI. Of course we might fail and Cork could hammer us but don't be coming on here telling us we're OTT and bad winners.
As Mickey Harte says Tyrone always win midfield...eventually!
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 10, 2009, 11:49:43 AM
The facts are we're the only team to have beaten Kerry 3 times this decade
I thought Cork beat Kerry in 2002, 2006, 2008 and 2009 ....
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 10, 2009, 04:38:09 PM
I thought Cork beat Kerry in 2002, 2006, 2008 and 2009 ....
Though not once did you knock them out! ;)
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 10, 2009, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 10, 2009, 11:49:43 AM
The facts are we're the only team to have beaten Kerry 3 times this decade
I thought Cork beat Kerry in 2002, 2006, 2008 and 2009 ....
Warm up matches.
as Frank Mc Guigan says it's not a match when no one gets bate (or something like that)
I don`t know were all ye Tyrone people think ye are going to walk all over Cork. If ye start like ye did against Kildare, Cork will have ye out the gate by half time. Don`t take me wrong Tyrone are a great tream, but this Cork team has been building over the last few years, and with the U21 wins and junior football wins in the last few years it shows our strength in depth. Cork shall dominate football for the next 6 or 7 years. Tyrone have 2 or 3 good subs that they can bring on that could make a difference. Cork have at least 8 that they can spring form the bench. I fancy Cork to win by 5 or 6 points. and then on to take Kerry apart in the final
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:22:22 PM
I don`t know were all ye Tyrone people think ye are going to walk all over Cork. If ye start like ye did against Kildare, Cork will have ye out the gate by half time. Don`t take me wrong Tyrone are a great tream, but this Cork team has been building over the last few years, and with the U21 wins and junior football wins in the last few years it shows our strength in depth. Cork shall dominate football for the next 6 or 7 years. Tyrone have 2 or 3 good subs that they can bring on that could make a difference. Cork have at least 8 that they can spring form the bench. I fancy Cork to win by 5 or 6 points. and then on to take Kerry apart in the final
Where did you get that idea ???
This will be the game of the decade, 2 teams who play the same type of football, but if tyrone don`t bring there A game cork will run through ye like butter. Who will stop miskella, canty o neil murphy o connor sheilds from breaking through
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
This will be the game of the decade, 2 teams who play the same type of football, but if tyrone don`t bring there A game cork will run through ye like butter. Who will stop miskella, canty o neil murphy o connor sheilds from breaking through
Frightening thought all right, but i think i'll leave Mickey Harte & his backroom team to answer that question on the 23rd ::)
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
This will be the game of the decade, 2 teams who play the same type of football, but if tyrone don`t bring there A game cork will run through ye like butter. Who will stop miskella, canty o neil murphy o connor sheilds from breaking through
don'nt kid yourself rebel ... these guys will end up running into cul de sac's ... remember limerick? ....only 20 times worse ..... mark my words!!!
QuoteCork shall dominate football for the next 6 or 7 years. Tyrone have 2 or 3 good subs that they can bring on that could make a difference. Cork have at least 8 that they can spring form the bench. I fancy Cork to win by 5 or 6 points. and then on to take Kerry apart in the final
Jaysus - and we're accused of being arrogant ::)
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:22:22 PM
Tyrone have 2 or 3 good subs that they can bring on that could make a difference. Cork have at least 8 that they can spring form the bench.
Like...
Dont ask that type of question please. Them Cork boys dont want to show their hand just yet!
Thought it was only Kerry that could spring 8 from the bench! ;)
Cork would be better to stick to 5 I would say.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 10, 2009, 10:21:09 PM
Thought it was only Kerry that could spring 8 from the bench! ;)
Cork would be better to stick to 5 I would say.
9 Actually! ;)
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 10, 2009, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 10, 2009, 10:21:09 PM
Thought it was only Kerry that could spring 8 from the bench! ;)
Cork would be better to stick to 5 I would say.
9 Actually! ;)
fecking hell .... was that just a minor blip? ;)
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:22:22 PM
I don`t know were all ye Tyrone people think ye are going to walk all over Cork. If ye start like ye did against Kildare, Cork will have ye out the gate by half time. Don`t take me wrong Tyrone are a great tream, but this Cork team has been building over the last few years, and with the U21 wins and junior football wins in the last few years it shows our strength in depth. Cork shall dominate football for the next 6 or 7 years. Tyrone have 2 or 3 good subs that they can bring on that could make a difference. Cork have at least 8 that they can spring form the bench. I fancy Cork to win by 5 or 6 points. and then on to take Kerry apart in the final
Dont know if Ill bother even watching the match now, Tyrone have no chance against this lot.
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
This will be the game of the decade, 2 teams who play the same type of football, but if tyrone don`t bring there A game cork will run through ye like butter. Who will stop miskella, canty o neil murphy o connor sheilds from breaking through
Or like a knife through butter....anyway, we know what you mean ::)
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
Who will stop miskella, canty o neil murphy o connor sheilds from breaking through
You've rumbled us. How did you know that our half-forwards, midfield and entire defence had booked holidays for 15:30 on the 23rd of August?
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:22:22 PM
I don`t know were all ye Tyrone people think ye are going to walk all over Cork. If ye start like ye did against Kildare, Cork will have ye out the gate by half time. Don`t take me wrong Tyrone are a great tream, but this Cork team has been building over the last few years, and with the U21 wins and junior football wins in the last few years it shows our strength in depth. Cork shall dominate football for the next 6 or 7 years. Tyrone have 2 or 3 good subs that they can bring on that could make a difference. Cork have at least 8 that they can spring form the bench. I fancy Cork to win by 5 or 6 points. and then on to take Kerry apart in the final
well that's that then :o
Been off-line for a week, but it's been some craic catching up on this thread. Tyrone being accused of displaying too much confidence, only for the Cork ones to turn around and say they'll dominate football for the next 6-7 years :D
Please don't feed the trolls.
The one thing I don't understand about this Cork team is that people think they will dominate football for years to come - this isn't exactly a young Cork side, alot of the players are in their late twenties and have been around for a while.
Its a pity this game isn't the final as it would be very interesting as the two teams really don't know each other that well and both seem to have a lot of similarities.
A lot of people fancy Cork mainly because of their physicality & athletism but lets not forget Tyrone had to deal with Armagh for years and yes they may be taller and can expoit some of our midfieders and backs for clean catches but the game tends to be played on the ground and not in the air.
I thought Kildare exposed weaknesses in our half back line the last day that we haven't saw for years but at least that will give Harte time to try to remedy this for Cork.
I'm not sure do Cork have the same adaptability that Tyrone have. Can they change smoothly from Plan A to plan B & C.
How will they deal with such intensity and man marking in their forward line?
Will they be able to keep their composure & discipline if stretched?
Have they been behind this year in many games and can they keep their heads if things go wrong or will they panic.
In fairness they showed last year several times that they can give Kerry a bit head start and then score goals to come back. Not sure though will goals be so easy to come by against Tyrone.
A few people have said to me Cork haven't the stomach for a war of attrition like Tyrone have and I suppose they haven't really been tested enough to show that they have. When Kerry put it up to them in previous years they crumbled so lets see have they changed much.
Lots of questions to be answered and lots of possible tactics to evolve in this game. I hope Tyrone are not as wayward with their shooting this time around as I'd say Cork might be thinking sure we can just stop them playing by systematic fouling and they won't score their far out frees.
Rebels against Red hands. Could be one hell of a battle. I hope they don't bring their hurls or SIPTU placards.
What with longball getting suspended I guess we won't hear his Stephen O Neill story that he was mad keen to tell!!
As you say Fuzzman I think both teams have similar players and styles which should make for a good open game. I still believe that Tyrone would have the edge with the players. However they don't seem to be firing on all cylinders. Hopefully their just going to peak at the right time.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 11, 2009, 09:17:20 AM
The one thing I don't understand about this Cork team is that people think they will dominate football for years to come - this isn't exactly a young Cork side, alot of the players are in their late twenties and have been around for a while.
I agree. The following are all aged between 29 and 32:
Canty, Lynch, Quirke, Murphy, Miskella, O'Neill.
Yes but they have Cussen, Cadogan (who might opt for the football fulltime next year), Fiachra Lynch, John Hayes, Paul O'Flynn, Sheehan (if he doesn't stay in Oz), O'Donovan, Kissane all young men not on the starting team. And there are a good few more coming through that aren't even on the squad so they'll be a force for the foreseeable future alright.
Will Mickey stick to his guns regarding PJ or will the likes of Gourley or O'Neill get the nod? Mickey has been known to make ruthless changes at this stage of the championship. Tommy might be treading the rope too or will his free-taking save him even though Mugsy and O'Neill are there?
Some fine tuning for Mickey.
I'd say O'Neill will get the nod before Quinn for this game. If Enda's fit, Tommy will be dropped to the bench and Sean moved forward.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 11, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
I'd say O'Neill will get the nod before Quinn for this game. If Enda's fit, Tommy will be dropped to the bench and Sean moved forward.
same again i reckon, with sean in his best position, attacking from midfield and running the legs of murphy .... with the option of 8 great subs, just to keep up with the jone...ess ..... oops i mean the rebels!!!
Quote from: rebel true on August 10, 2009, 07:22:22 PM
I don`t know were all ye Tyrone people think ye are going to walk all over Cork. If ye start like ye did against Kildare, Cork will have ye out the gate by half time. Don`t take me wrong Tyrone are a great tream, but this Cork team has been building over the last few years, and with the U21 wins and junior football wins in the last few years it shows our strength in depth. Cork shall dominate football for the next 6 or 7 years. Tyrone have 2 or 3 good subs that they can bring on that could make a difference. Cork have at least 8 that they can spring form the bench. I fancy Cork to win by 5 or 6 points. and then on to take Kerry apart in the final
what are u talking about. We are still a young team and will be winning AI for the next few years. I think we will beat Kerry if we meet them as I feel they are over the hill at this stage but I dont see u lot beating them. and keep thing you will beat us by 5 or 6 pints, we luv that kinda talk...you will get a big surprise when we hammer you on our way to 2 in a row !
Any update on Enda ? He'll be a massive loss if not fit but if fit will allow Sean to move inside where he can be more effective. Who gets dropped ? Big decision there.
Quote from: orangeman on August 11, 2009, 08:20:17 PM
Any update on Enda ? He'll be a massive loss if not fit but if fit will allow Sean to move inside where he can be more effective. Who gets dropped ? Big decision there.
According to today's Irish News, Mickey is "very optimistic" he'll be fit for the Cork game ... so it's looking good
Quote from: orangeman on August 11, 2009, 08:20:17 PM
Any update on Enda ? He'll be a massive loss if not fit but if fit will allow Sean to move inside where he can be more effective. Who gets dropped ? Big decision there.
Don't think it's a big decision. Tommy Mc Guigan has run his race-
Wonder would Harte be tempted to start Brian McGuigan? We know he is still capable of 15-20 good minutes at centre half forward but could he last the pace for close to a full game? If fully fit there is still no better play maker in Tyrone. It looks more likely that he will once again be used from the bench. Still think Harte could be tempted with Joe McMahon in defence.
lads cant help feeling that PJ Quinn has been made the scapegoat of some poor defending , that has been a result of our half backs defending quite poorly at times. I know Sean O'Neill has performed well when introduced this year, but is now the time for the full exam, I don;t believe it is. And i will choke if I see Ciaran Gourley starting . ;D The worst defender we had the last day was Philip Jordan ( by a country mile!) and probably got staying on, because of previous performances. I think PJ Quinn should stay in ;)
Confirmed, referee is John Bannon.
i would say tyrone will line out exactly the same as last game
barring injuries
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2009, 10:08:53 PM
Confirmed, referee is John Bannon.
::)
Have we got Bannon in the Championship since the Sligo debacle in 02?
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 11, 2009, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2009, 10:08:53 PM
Confirmed, referee is John Bannon.
::)
Have we got Bannon in the Championship since the Sligo debacle in 02?
Last year in a league game against Laois.
Any ideas on the number of supporters due for this match??
With Harte thinking McGinley will be available, it looks like both sides will be at full strength for the game.
http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/other-sports/2009/08/11/Lynch-to-resume-full-training/gnid-58283/ (http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/other-sports/2009/08/11/Lynch-to-resume-full-training/gnid-58283/)
I would say 40,000 maximum. Top decks mightn't be opened which would be a disaster, plenty of crap seats will be dished out for such a big game. I'll be gutted if they don't open the top tiers. Cork had a very poor attendance at the quarters as far as I could see. Armagh might add a few thousand for the under card but I'll be amazed if 40,000 is surpassed.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2009, 10:08:53 PM
Confirmed, referee is John Bannon.
Not the best referee, but a lot better than the name changer >:(
Few big decisions to be made alright and as someone said I can see Mickey biting the bullet and being Ruthless with a few lads.
What's the point in having a strong bench if you can't swap people if they're not performing
There's no doubt that Jordan, Harte & PJ were struggling the last day so whether he makes changes of personnel or else change the way the wing backs are playing.
Was interesting Kildare looked as if they targeted our wing backs with their two best forwards as if to say yeah go ahead and attack if you want but we'll punish ye if ye don't stay back and mark us. I'd expect Cork to see PJ as a weak link & so will try to exploit that.
You could see Joey start at 10 but play a lot of the game either at MF or half back.
I can see Tommy getting the chop also though he has a habit of coming back with a great performance after a poor one.
Would Big Sean not be worth a shot at the frees as he tends not to miss as many as Mugsy or Tommy?
I can see Enda coming in alongside Hub. :o
Sean moving to CHF & Tommy getting the snip. :o
No not literally. Jeepers.
I think we could see Brian Mac replacing Dooher second half depending on how things are going.
I'm expecting a start like that infamous Kerry quaterfinal in 2003 and we'll test how Cork can live with such ferocity.
If Cork settle into their groove we could be in trouble & I wouldnt like to be chasing the game.
I only wish it was this Sunday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2009, 11:37:52 AM
Few big decisions to be made alright and as someone said I can see Mickey biting the bullet and being Ruthless with a few lads.
What's the point in having a strong bench if you can't swap people if they're not performing
There's no doubt that Jordan, Harte & PJ were struggling the last day so whether he makes changes of personnel or else change the way the wing backs are playing.
Was interesting Kildare looked as if they targeted our wing backs with their two best forwards as if to say yeah go ahead and attack if you want but we'll punish ye if ye don't stay back and mark us. I'd expect Cork to see PJ as a weak link & so will try to exploit that.
You could see Joey start at 10 but play a lot of the game either at MF or half back.
I can see Tommy getting the chop also though he has a habit of coming back with a great performance after a poor one.
Would Big Sean not be worth a shot at the frees as he tends not to miss as many as Mugsy or Tommy?
I can see Enda coming in alongside Hub. :o
Sean moving to CHF & Tommy getting the snip. :o
No not literally. Jeepers.
I think we could see Brian Mac replacing Dooher second half depending on how things are going.
I'm expecting a start like that infamous Kerry quaterfinal in 2003 and we'll test how Cork can live with such ferocity.
If Cork settle into their groove we could be in trouble & I wouldnt like to be chasing the game.
I only wish it was this Sunday.
Cork will have never faced a challenge like this before. Cork are avery good side but they conceded 2-10 against a Donegal team playing very poorly. Suggests to me Tyrone will win.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 12, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
Cork will have never faced a challenge like this before. Cork are avery good side but they conceded 2-10 against a Donegal team playing very poorly. Suggests to me Tyrone will win.
Don't think it'd be wise to read anything into that game, if Cork had to they would've restricted Donegal to less. Much like the Ulster final, where Antrim were able to hit 15 points because Tyrone went into standby mode after 13 minutes with the game won.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 11, 2009, 10:41:35 PM
i would say tyrone will line out exactly the same as last game
barring injuries
If fit, I reckon Mc Ginley will play. Sean will move to the inside forward line and somebody will drop out of the half forward line.
Mc Ginley is a tried and trusted player and MH will want him on the pitch from the beginning IMO.
Can anyone post up Corks scorers to date this year?
Win v Waterford: D O'Connor 1-05 (0-02f), P Kerrigan 1-02, J Miskella 0-03, J Masters, D Goulding, C O'Neill 0-02 each, M Shields, P O'Flynn 0-01 each
Draw v Kerry: P O'Neill 1-02, D O'Connor 0-03 (3f), D Goulding 0-02, G Canty, N O'Leary, C O'Neill (0-01 '45') 0-01 each.
Win v Kerry:
Win v Donegal: Canty (0-01), J Miskella (0-04), P Kerrigan (1-4), P O'Neill (0-02), P Kelly (0-02), D Goulding (0-03), C O'Neill (0-02), D O'Connor (0-04, 3f). Substitute: F Gould (0-3)
And you can count these yerself!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8M_bMB8yco&feature=related
Failure is not an option - Mickey Harte
From the Strabane Chronricle - it'll sell big in Cork this week.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 12, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2009, 11:37:52 AM
Few big decisions to be made alright and as someone said I can see Mickey biting the bullet and being Ruthless with a few lads.
What's the point in having a strong bench if you can't swap people if they're not performing
There's no doubt that Jordan, Harte & PJ were struggling the last day so whether he makes changes of personnel or else change the way the wing backs are playing.
Was interesting Kildare looked as if they targeted our wing backs with their two best forwards as if to say yeah go ahead and attack if you want but we'll punish ye if ye don't stay back and mark us. I'd expect Cork to see PJ as a weak link & so will try to exploit that.
You could see Joey start at 10 but play a lot of the game either at MF or half back.
I can see Tommy getting the chop also though he has a habit of coming back with a great performance after a poor one.
Would Big Sean not be worth a shot at the frees as he tends not to miss as many as Mugsy or Tommy?
I can see Enda coming in alongside Hub. :o
Sean moving to CHF & Tommy getting the snip. :o
No not literally. Jeepers.
I think we could see Brian Mac replacing Dooher second half depending on how things are going.
I'm expecting a start like that infamous Kerry quaterfinal in 2003 and we'll test how Cork can live with such ferocity.
If Cork settle into their groove we could be in trouble & I wouldnt like to be chasing the game.
I only wish it was this Sunday.
Cork will have never faced a challenge like this before. Cork are avery good side but they conceded 2-10 against a Donegal team playing very poorly. Suggests to me Tyrone will win.
If only it were going to be that simple!
Were Cork that good, or Donegal that bad ?
By Slán go Fóill Saturday August 8th, 2009 from the Southern Star
WE'RE still in the dark about the worth of this Cork football team after last Sunday. 1-27 is amazing scoring any day of the week against any type of opposition but against a side that had just beaten Derry and Galway, we must sit up and take notice.
We all said afterwards that Donegal were terrible, legs gone, flat as pancakes, but maybe Cork just made them look that way. Certainly, some of the football played by Cork was top-drawer and their sense of purpose was tremendous. They kicked some wonderful points and could have had a handful of goals as well. They missed four, apart from Kerrigan's marvellous strike, but a number of points were taken when goal chances might have been set up.
We headed for Dublin at 8 o'clock Sunday morning, made it in record time because of the fine new road system for most of the way, and also the lack of match traffic from Cork. Not a Cork flag to be seen on the way, although you don't pass through any towns now after the city, but the Cork support was again small.
What does this Cork team have to do to win support and why is football in this county so lacking in support? Under-achieving is one reason, uncertainty about what you will get, inconsistency is inbred. But this team has just won back-to-back Munster titles, hammered Kerry, won a national league title and the McGrath Cup, and have certainly delivered.
Because the Tyrone supporters were also red and white it was hard to figure how many Cork supporters were in Croke Park but definitely the noise level wasn't great. I would hazard a guess of between five and ten thousand at the most. Kildare had great support on the day, and they really got behind their team, but then it's only an hour to Croke Park for them. Likewise the Dubs on Monday.
As we made our way home on Sunday night through the flooded roads in Cork and heavy rain, thank God it was dry all day in Dublin, we wondered if anybody appreciates what counties like Cork, especially the football supporters from the west, and Donegal, who were well-represented, have to go through to get to these games? Plus the fact that it certainly isn't a cheap excursion anymore. Still, with the hurlers gone, we would have expected much more support for the footballers. They certainly will need it for the semi-final.
Of course, if Cork qualify for the final all the so-called supporters will emerge from the woodwork and the genuine supporters will find it almost impossible to get tickets. Fault the GAA again for not introducing some kind of scheme that would entitle regular travellers to tickets before the big match only supporters. Once again we have to ask why Cork supporters never seem to get the middle sections in Croke Park, especially the West Cork contingent. This time we were on the 14m line, but with a fair view, and it didn't rain. Do we ever stop complaining? Not as long as West Cork fans are treated as second-class citizens in headquarters.
So, what to make of this latest Cork performance. The plusses were the result, a step nearer the Sam Maguire, a top-class performance in Croke Park, experience for the new-comers, the display of the half backs as an attacking force, the discipline of Noel O'Leary, the dominance of midfield, the availability of top-class subs in all areas of the team, the fine points scored by all players, a cracking goal and return to form by Kerrigan, a thundering display by Kelly, a great debut by O'Neill at full forward, a marvellous attacking wing back display by the returned Miskella. There were more but Donegal's poor contribution must be factored in.
On the negative side was Lynch's continued absence as he will be needed against Tyrone, the concession of 2-10 against a well-beaten team, 2-7 in the second half, an average display by Pearse O'Neill and another below performance by Donncha O'Connor who seems to be lacking sharpness and appetite. Most of all, Goulding's sub-standard display on a really good corner back. We need Goulding in top form for the semi-final, but he will meet backs just as good next time out.
He must be capable of shining against good corner backs too, just like Joe Deane in hurling. To me, Daniel Goulding is the footballer's equivalent of Deano but he must produce under pressure and maybe his lazy style needs a little jazzing up.
Finding fault with Cork on Sunday may not seem fair but one still got the impression that there is still a lack of toughness up front that will be exploited by the Tyrone backs, and that maybe the Cork defence is vulnerable under the high ball. We watched the whole of the Tyrone v Kildare game and what a cracker it was, just the kind of test Counihan would have loved for Cork.
This is a serious Tyrone side, the best they have produced. Kildare were really, really good and should have won. I honestly felt for a long time that Cork would fare better against Tyrone, so good did Kildare look. Experience cost them dearly in the end, missing five clear chances in the closing minutes. The fact that they could create those chances might show a flaw in the Tyrone make-up.
But Tyrone are good, very good. They dominated for only twenty minutes and still won. Playing as a real team, they never give up and are fantastic at winning possession when the ball is loose. They are vulnerable in the air, as shown by Earley, but their pressure game all over the pitch will cause Cork problems, especially if the Cork forwards dally on the ball.
How good are Cork's footballing forwards at retaining possession when being tackled hard by a couple of players, as Tyrone will do? If Cork can't hold possession, then we won't win. Tyrone have also perfected the 40m kicked pass and several scores on Sunday came from kicked passes down the wings, behind the Kildare half back line and if Miskella and O'Leary go wandering forward, Cork could be exposed at the back. Then again if our wing backs don't go forward, our attacking options will be cut down in a big way. Lots of problems for Counihan to solve.
Cork have the panel of players to win an All-Ireland but our record in semi-finals in the recent past is poor, only one being won from six attempts.
This is the best Tyrone team I've seen this decade, so hard to beat, but this is the best Cork team I've seen since we won back-to-back titles in 1989/90. It should be one hell of a semi-final and here's hoping the Cork fans turn out in huge numbers on the day. The football supporters have always gotten behind the hurlers so now is the time for the hurling supporters to return the favour.
If ever a team has struck a blow for an open All-Ireland series, it is Kerry this year. For many years now Kerry have no interest whatsoever in winning Munster titles. Their game is aimed at peaking in Croke Park every August and they are interested in winning All-Irelands only. It took Cork a long time to cop on to that but Counihan has and now it's obvious that all the top teams, bar Dublin, are gearing their game to August.
Time then for Croke Park authorities to look seriously at an open All-Ireland series and run off the provincial championship as separate competitions. I am delighted that Kerry hammered Dublin, if only to show the hypocrisy that now exists as regards the provincial championships. We went half way to an open draw when the qualifiers were brought in, now it's time to go the whole hog.
Was anybody seriously surprised at Dublin's collapse? Have they made any kind of an impression on any quality team in the past five years? Super display by Kerry but I would relish a go at them in the All-Ireland final. I have no doubt in my mind that Cork would beat them again. Kerry have it psychologically over Dublin, they don't have it over this Cork team.
With all due respect to Meath, the two semi-finals, Cork v Tyrone and Kerry v Mayo feature the best four teams in Ireland and should produce some marvellous football. Whoever comes through that as champions will truly deserve to be crowned All-Ireland champions. Wouldn't it be a great year for Cork to make the breakthrough.
Croke Park was ready after all for the weekend and modern technology is a marvellous thing. A whole new pitch laid in a few days. It didn't look good, with all the joining and patches clearly showing but it was playing perfectly. The money made on the U2 concerts will be welcomed but the idea of having those concerts at the most important time of the season must be questioned. The games must always take priority and I'm very sure that the Croke Park authorities breathed a huge sigh of relief when the pitch proved playable.
Most interest in the SW last weekend centred on the junior B county championships. Carbery teams have a great record in these grades and this year is no different. In football Kilbrittain are miles ahead of all opposition They started slowly in the semi-final against Kilbrin but a first-half goal by Fintan O'Connell and two more by Pat O'Mahony in the second, resulted in a 3-14 to 0-5 victory. Kilbrittain will be hoping to retain a title that has been won for the past three years by Carbery teams.
In hurling, Randal Óg were in serious trouble when they trailed by eight points in the third quarter but a series of goals by Michael Dineen, Seán Holland, John Collins, Ted Coakley and Gearóid White gave them a heart-stopping two-point victory.
In junior A hurling Clonakilty advanced with a two-goal win over hopeful Kilbree, with Jimmy Forrestal in sparkling form, while Bandon continued their unexpected progress by knocking out Ballinascarthy.
Already the call has gone out to call off all games involving Cork football players but, proud and all as we are to be in an All-Ireland semi-final, you can't close down the county and the clubs because of it. There are County Board guidelines drawn up to cover this situation and the length of time the team will get free of matches and we expect the Board to adhere to this.
That would mean the Carbery v Nemo quarter-final going ahead as scheduled in Bandon this Thursday evening, which is only right and proper. I expect Carbery, who have put in huge preparation, to get the better of a stuttering Nemo side and halt their dreams of five in a row. I wonder will there be a bigger crowd in Bandon that evening than in Dunmanway for the big soccer game? Somehow I doubt it but we do wish the soccer lads all the best. Their initiative deserves to succeed.
Am I correct in the belief that the last time these two counties met in the Championship at any grade was the U21 semi-final in Parnell Park in 2001, where Cork didn't score until something like the 60th minute?
Call me psychic, but I doubt if they'll have to wait as long for a first score in this one, might be close though ;)
I'd say this'll be Tyrone's toughest test since the all ireland semi-final v Armagh in 2005
QuoteI'd say this'll be Tyrone's toughest test since the all ireland semi-final v Armagh in 2005
This year may have something in common with 2005. Three strong teams, whoever wins the hard semifinal to beat Kerry in the final.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2009, 04:15:04 PM
Were Cork that good, or Donegal that bad ?
By Slán go Fóill Saturday August 8th, 2009 from the Southern Star
With all due respect to Meath, the two semi-finals, Cork v Tyrone and Kerry v Mayo feature the best four teams in Ireland and should produce some marvellous football. Whoever comes through that as champions will truly deserve to be crowned All-Ireland champions.
Up until that bit I bolded, I was agreeing :D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 12, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2009, 04:15:04 PM
Were Cork that good, or Donegal that bad ?
By Slán go Fóill Saturday August 8th, 2009 from the Southern Star
With all due respect to Meath, the two semi-finals, Cork v Tyrone and Kerry v Mayo feature the best four teams in Ireland and should produce some marvellous football. Whoever comes through that as champions will truly deserve to be crowned All-Ireland champions.
Up until that bit I bolded, I was agreeing :D
what is wrong in what he said? ???
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 12, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2009, 04:15:04 PM
Were Cork that good, or Donegal that bad ?
By Slán go Fóill Saturday August 8th, 2009 from the Southern Star
With all due respect to Meath, the two semi-finals, Cork v Tyrone and Kerry v Mayo feature the best four teams in Ireland and should produce some marvellous football. Whoever comes through that as champions will truly deserve to be crowned All-Ireland champions.
Up until that bit I bolded, I was agreeing :D
what is wrong in what he said? ???
:'( ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 12, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2009, 04:15:04 PM
Were Cork that good, or Donegal that bad ?
By Slán go Fóill Saturday August 8th, 2009 from the Southern Star
With all due respect to Meath, the two semi-finals, Cork v Tyrone and Kerry v Mayo feature the best four teams in Ireland and should produce some marvellous football. Whoever comes through that as champions will truly deserve to be crowned All-Ireland champions.
Up until that bit I bolded, I was agreeing :D
what is wrong in what he said? ???
Who are Kerry playing in the semi ? ::)
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2009, 06:56:22 PM
QuoteI'd say this'll be Tyrone's toughest test since the all ireland semi-final v Armagh in 2005
This year may have something in common with 2005. Three strong teams, whoever wins the hard semifinal to beat Kerry in the final.
I hope you're right Armaghniac, even if it is Cork.
I suppose most people thoughy Mayo would beat Meath last weekend but it was a risk alright to put it down so boldly in print.
Referee will be John Bannon from Longford.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 11, 2009, 03:27:17 PM
What with longball getting suspended I guess we won't hear his Stephen O Neill story that he was mad keen to tell!!
As you say Fuzzman I think both teams have similar players and styles which should make for a good open game. I still believe that Tyrone would have the edge with the players. However they don't seem to be firing on all cylinders. Hopefully their just going to peak at the right time.
Why did Longball get suspended?
He told me the story. Not exactly riveting stuff.
Yeah Ref still Bannon from Page 12 Aaron.
Wonder who has the final? McEnaneany maybe.
Who are the top refs in the GAA's eyes.
McEnaneany.
Laois man did the final last year
O Conamha
Bannon
Who else?
You should stop after the first one you said-other 2 are rank. Even McEnanaey bottled out of 2 red cards in the Dublin Kerry game
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2009, 02:05:33 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 11, 2009, 03:27:17 PM
What with longball getting suspended I guess we won't hear his Stephen O Neill story that he was mad keen to tell!!
As you say Fuzzman I think both teams have similar players and styles which should make for a good open game. I still believe that Tyrone would have the edge with the players. However they don't seem to be firing on all cylinders. Hopefully their just going to peak at the right time.
Why did Longball get suspended?
He told me the story. Not exactly riveting stuff.
Yeah Ref still Bannon from Page 12 Aaron.
Wonder who has the final? McEnaneany maybe.
Who are the top refs in the GAA's eyes.
McEnaneany.
Laois man did the final last year
O Conamha
Bannon
Who else?
Yer man who reffed the Lights game at Croker in January. .....Wee fella.....Looks like a brickie ....
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Quote from: Fuzzman on August 13, 2009, 02:05:33 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 11, 2009, 03:27:17 PM
What with longball getting suspended I guess we won't hear his Stephen O Neill story that he was mad keen to tell!!
As you say Fuzzman I think both teams have similar players and styles which should make for a good open game. I still believe that Tyrone would have the edge with the players. However they don't seem to be firing on all cylinders. Hopefully their just going to peak at the right time.
Why did Longball get suspended?
He told me the story. Not exactly riveting stuff.
Yeah Ref still Bannon from Page 12 Aaron.
Wonder who has the final? McEnaneany maybe.
Who are the top refs in the GAA's eyes.
McEnaneany.
Laois man did the final last year
O Conamha
Bannon
Who else?
Yer man who reffed the Lights game at Croker in January. .....Wee fella.....Looks like a brickie ....
Marty Duffy from Sligo I think..
Barry McGuigan lookalike.
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2009, 05:42:45 PM
Barry McGuigan lookalike.
Isn't Bannon the Fr Ted lookalike?
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Failure is not an option - Mickey Harte
From the Strabane Chronicle - it'll sell big in Cork this week.
Roll up, roll up, read all about it... roll up, roll up, read all about it...
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTIONAll-Ireland Football Championship Semi Final By Barry O'DonnellFAILURE is not a word that fits comfortably into the vocabulary of Tyrone manager Mickey Harte but that's how he will view 2009 should his side exit the All-Ireland race at the semi-final stages next weekend.
Despite securing a fourth Ulster senior title in seven seasons last month, the Red Hands boss realises his charges have set the highest possible standards for themselves on the back of their hattrick of Sam Maguire triumphs this past decade. So inspite of a successful Ulster Championship campaign and their battling All-Ireland Quarter-Final victory over Kildare, Harte plays down the that the camp will approach the August 23rd showdown with Cork in fairly relaxed mood.
" We'd be cautious about every game. There's a very fine line. Our season is not successful if we lose to Cork. That's the bottom line. To have a successful season we must get to the final, that's the minimum expectation. We haven't done that yet, so that wouldn't give you any justification to be relaxed at this stage. We believe we are good enough to go there and play to the best of our ability but can you produce your best ability when its required. We can't answer those questions just yet."
Munster champions Cork are expected to provide Tyrone with their toughest test of the campaign to date, the Rebels having drawn much praise for the mobility and physicality in their game this term. They swamped Donegal at Croke Park by fourteen points a fortnight ago, a performance which drew parallels with the barnstorming displays produced by Tyrone themselves on occasions in recent years. However Harte felt it was premature to read too much into that outing, though he was generally impressed with the progress they've made under Conor Counihan's stewardship.
" People can only go on what they see. The form lines have been hard to measure this year because there's been all sorts of contradictions along the way but Cork have been showing good signs all season. They won their own division in the National League, they beat Kerry after a replay, had a bit of a slip up against Limerick by their own high standards but still won the game.
" But they are still undefeated and on current form you can see why people would be tipping them. Against that people weren't sure where Tyrone were. We won Ulster apparently without ourselves, whatever that means, and then when we met Kildare we were pushed to the pin of our collar. So its hard to pick form lines from that. Those are the variables of sport and come the 23rd August we'll be able to determine whose formline is more accurate."
Harte has a superb track-record in All-Ireland semi-finals with the various Tyrone sides he has managed dating back to the early 90s. They have won seven of the nine games they have competed in and more significantly won the last three senior semis they have featured in. He hopes this winning big match mentality will come to the fore again at a Jones Road venue they are more than familiar with.
" That comes with experience. A lot of these boys have played at underage levels in big semi-finals also. The more you do something the more it becomes the norm. We always go back to the experience of 2005 when we played seven matches at Croke Park. It really became a home venue for us. So while there's an awe gracing the magnificent stadium there's no awe from the players perspective when it comes to performing there. It's to excite you and not scare you."
And on the injury front the Tyrone boss this week reported encouraging news on the fitness of midfielder Enda McGinley who has been absent over the last month with a hamstring injury. " He's back training and hopefully the rest of the sessions up until the game. If he has no ill-effects from that it will certainly be a huge bonus to have somebody of his experience back for that game. Ryan Mellon is making great progress as well and as long as he has no setbacks it's a big bonus to have him available also."
And here's a little spin news from the Evening Langer Echo.
Cork defender Anthony Lynch is on course to start Sunday week's All-Ireland Senior Football Championship semi-final against Tyrone, having returned from a groin injury to take part in training at Pairc Ui Chaoimh last night.
Lynch was sidelined during the Rebels' Munster semi-final replay victory over Kerry in June, and was determined to make a full comeback after missing the Munster final win over Kerry and the All-Ireland quarter-final defeat of Donegal time out.
"The injury is coming along every session I take, but I'm just taking it session by session at the moment," Lynch said last night.
The 31-year-old played a full role at corner back in an A v B team training game at Pairc Ui Chaoimh last night.
"When you are coming back like that, you have to take it as it comes and that's what I'm doing now."
And although indications suggest that Cork manager Conor Counihan will hand Lynch a starting role against Tyrone, the Naomh Aban clubman is not taking anything for granted.
"Well I'm not straight back in yet. There is no team picked yet and I'm just taking it day-by-day at the moment.
"I was coming back slowly and doing my own stuff all along and working with the backroom team here a lot. They have helped me an awful lot."
And Lynch conceded that it has been frustrating to watch Cork's recent games from the bench.
"Any time you are missing Championship games for Cork you are going to be frustrated regardless. That's the thing with injuries - you just have to get your head around them.
"You have to start from scratch really and begin again. It's important to be positive about it as well, because every player gets frustrated with injuries.
"It's probably the worst thing that can happen a player really," he added.
Lynch's career has been dogged by injuries including a leg injury during Cork's league campaign last year. However he's glad to be back on the road to another quick recovery.
"Every session I'm definitely making progress, which is always good."
Looking on from the Croke Park stands, Lynch was suitably 'impressed' with Cork's workmanlike display against Donegal.
"We had a job to do and we did it. All the lads individually had a job to do and they all did it and impressed very well.
"I think Donegal probably suffered from the view that our lads were fresh, and Donegal probably weren't. That was bound to catch up on them. They took major scalps in the two weeks before that.
"A fortnight before they beat us, they played Derry, a highly fancied Derry side, and they then took Galway out.
"Coming up to Croke Park to meet us, I suppose we had the advantage that we had the freshness. I was delighted for the lads, the way they pulled through and got the result."
Despite his defensive colleagues leaking 2-10 during that quarter-final win, Lynch was not overly concerned.
"I thought when the game opened up like that everyone was driving on. We played so well and these things happen.
"We are lucky with that at the moment, but I thought the lads played very well individually and overall as a team."
But the two-time All-Star is fully aware that his side will have to find an extra gear or two to get past defending champions Tyrone next week.
"I think it will be a very tough challenge - they are the All-Ireland champions and it will be very tough for us. It's a big game, a great opportunity and we're looking forward to it.
"Tyrone are known for their intensity, but we wouldn't be too used to playing against them. We'll just wait and see what happens on the day."
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Barry McGuigan lookalike.
Isn't Bannon the Fr Ted lookalike?
Aye, but he referees like Fr Dougal
Dougal guarded the corner flag in soccer.
Didn't know Fr Dougal was a referee!
Linesman then!
So we seem to be looking at relatively full strength teams - no excuses.
Will the 'new-order' Rebels drive a final fatal dagger through the great Tyrone era or are we witnessing a Tyrone Indian Summer?
What a crap heading that would be.
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2009, 12:01:20 AM
So we seem to be looking at relatively full strength teams - no excuses.
Will the 'new-order' Rebels drive a final fatal dagger through the great Tyrone era or are we witnessing a Tyrone Indian Summer?
What a crap heading that would be.
Wonder what the heading will be on Monday 24th?
"Enda The Road for Cork"
"Rebels with a Cause"
"Cork Sunk by Tyrone"
"Cork Pearse O'Neill County"
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2009, 09:32:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 12, 2009, 03:54:55 PM
Failure is not an option - Mickey Harte
From the Strabane Chronicle - it'll sell big in Cork this week.
Roll up, roll up, read all about it... roll up, roll up, read all about it...
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION
All-Ireland Football Championship Semi Final By Barry O'Donnell
" But they are still undefeated and on current form you can see why people would be tipping them. Against that people weren't sure where Tyrone were. We won Ulster apparently without ourselves, whatever that means, and then when we met Kildare we were pushed to the pin of our collar. So its hard to pick form lines from that. Those are the variables of sport and come the 23rd August we'll be able to determine whose formline is more accurate."
Whatever that means is right. ???
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 13, 2009, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 13, 2009, 02:52:13 PM
Yer man who reffed the Lights game at Croker in January. .....Wee fella.....Looks like a brickie ....]
Marty Duffy from Sligo I think..
He's too small, sure.
Heard Cork are going to the Inchadony hotel for the weekend. Going to play final A V B match in Clonakilty on saturday. Inchadony hotel used by the Munster Rugby team a lot. Also Cork Hurlers used it for the weeks leading to their all ireland wins. Still fierce competitiion for places .
Quote from: marym on August 14, 2009, 10:25:05 AM
Also Cork Hurlers used it for the weeks leading to their all ireland wins...
And losses ;)
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Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2009, 12:01:20 AM
So we seem to be looking at relatively full strength teams - no excuses.
Will the 'new-order' Rebels drive a final fatal dagger through the great Tyrone era or are we witnessing a Tyrone Indian Summer?
What a crap heading that would be.
Wonder what the heading will be on Monday 24th?
"Enda The Road for Cork"
"Rebels with a Cause"
"Cork Sunk by Tyrone"
"Cork Pearse O'Neill County"
Another good headline would be
"Cork bottle it"
Cork Fail to Plug Vintage Display!
Cork sink to Tyrone's wave attack.
Dole queue for SIPTU
Of One Belief v GPA - The Battle for Hearts
Red Hands rattle Rebel rabble in rout!
Mugsy Mugs Mugs!
Norf Tyrone Wins Lotto
In other news Tyrone beat Cork
Langers left lamenting loss as red hands run hot.
rebels left cussen their luck as red hands win out!
I can see some of these coming back to haunt us if Cork bate us ... so I'll keep the oul headline writing till after the game :D
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 14, 2009, 06:36:29 PM
Norf Tyrone Wins Lotto
In other news Tyrone beat Cork
Very good .best of luck in winning the lotto
Testicle Touchers Trounce Testicle Toucher's Team.
Quote from: red hander on August 14, 2009, 10:27:32 PM
I can see some of these coming back to haunt us if Cork bate us ... so I'll keep the oul headline writing till after the game :D
Cork slam Tyrone football legends?
QuoteCork slam Tyrone football legends?
Legends... to who ??
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2009, 06:11:42 AM
QuoteCork slam Tyrone football legends?
Legends... to who ??
Tis only a bit of fun Mike.
Just seen on Hoganstand that Bannon is listed as ref for game - WHF!!!!!
Come back Gearoid O Conamha, all is forgiven big time ;-|
Strange, if Bannon sees more than one player from another team tackling an opponent, he invariably blows in favours of the player with the ball - FACT :-)
Hope the Tyrone and Cork defences make a note of this!!!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2009, 06:11:42 AM
QuoteCork slam Tyrone football legends?
Legends... to who ??
now , now, put the dummy back in the mouth there, thats a good boy ;D legends to me,, and thats all that counts ;)
Or what about some of the scottish redtops.
"Dooher oul game a Croker whin Cork canty beat red hans."
So lads come on lets get talking teams and not this childish nonsense.
Has there been any more injury worries over the weekend?
Did they have a training camp somewhere?
Is it just me or has this season flown by as it doesn't seem that long since the talk of SoN coming back for last years final?
I'm actually hoping Mickey makes a few radical changes for this game but wouldnt be surprised if he takes the high ground stance that his current team dont need to change for Cork. I'd say there has been a lot of talk about breaking ball and strict clean tackling without fouling.
I just hope we don't hear the term puke football again if we decide to let their MF win clean ball and then surround them.
I could not care less if we hear 'puke football' as long as we are in Croke Park for the final!
Haven't heard of any injuries over the weekend Fuzzman. I'm wondering what the latest is on Enda. I know Mickey was hopefully last week, but has there been any further development?
I'm looking forward to Thursday night. There has been a sort of formality this year when it has been coming to naming the starting 15 for the games, I think though that Mickey will be shaking it up a little for Sunday's game.
As for a craic Fuzzman, you must be getting old ;)
agreed, although there is real potential for a megabehemoth stonker of a game. This game has so much potential and lets hope it fulifils it. This Cork team look ripe for a breakthrough, they dont carry any baggage against Tyrone although they might have against Meath or Kerry in the final. They will try to run at Tyrone and if they get through they will win the game, they will beat any team that lets them run. Tactically Tyrone are individuall and as a team more aware than any team left, I have concerns though on some pace levels this year, but some of these guys are much better footballers than their rivals despite the loss of a yard or two. I also have a greater belief that Harte will have this team at a much higher level than versus kildare, I think we might see a little puke on the day, but hopefully that will only be Donal Og up to cheer on his fellow picketline.
Going to be in Cap Salou when the game is on. Anyone know any bars nearby where i could see the game? :)
Thanks in advance
Heard that B beat the A's in cork in a hectic hard hitting match played at a frantic pace. There could well be changes in the Cork team. Also heard Eoin Cadogan is meant to be flying it in training.
Quote from: marym on August 17, 2009, 12:34:51 PM
Heard that B beat the A's in cork in a hectic hard hitting match played at a frantic pace. There could well be changes in the Cork team. Also heard Eoin Cadogan is meant to be flying it in training.
heard the same before dublin played kerry. Always sceptical when I hear teams "flying" in training and when B teams beat A teams. Usually means the A team is off form and not going well. Cork are playing a force on sunday they've never faced before- no training session is going to help them on Sunday its a question of their mental state.
Lads try and get in early to give Armagh minors plenty of support.
Quote from: rrhf on August 17, 2009, 12:56:18 PM
Lads try and get in early to give Armagh minors plenty of support.
Completely agree. We were in last time to give Donegal our support and we'll be doing the same for Armagh.
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Lads try and get in early to give Armagh minors plenty of support.
Completely agree. We were in last time to give Donegal our support and we'll be doing the same for Armagh.
Bloody foreigners. ::)
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Quote from: marym on August 17, 2009, 12:34:51 PM
Heard that B beat the A's in cork in a hectic hard hitting match played at a frantic pace. There could well be changes in the Cork team. Also heard Eoin Cadogan is meant to be flying it in training.
heard the same before dublin played kerry. Always sceptical when I hear teams "flying" in training and when B teams beat A teams. Usually means the A team is off form and not going well. Cork are playing a force on sunday they've never faced before- no training session is going to help them on Sunday its a question of their mental state.
Indiana, you make a lot os sense. I will give my two cents on the game later in the week. Will go back and look at the Tyrone V Kildare game, I was at both q/finals but want to go back and see how Kildare overwhelmed Tyone in first half. First thought, Cork should get a lot more clean possession around the middle third, would be concerned about their full forward line not as clinical as Tyrone's.
My early thought is that Cork will squeak a win. Will elaborate later if I get time.
potential game of the year.i think cork have a great chance of winning sam dis year. ok maybe cork didn't maul limerick( with their all men behind the ball tatic) earliear this year but tyrone didn't destroy kildare either and in the donegal match cork racked up a good scoreline but u can only play whats in front of u. both of these top teams have not played each other in championship for a number of years. i can't wait to see if tyrone can cope with the cork forwards donncha o'connor daneil goulding paul kerrigan to name just a few. and can cork's backs hold tyrone's forwards i thinks so with players like canty lynch shields and miskella. i don't think it will be a sell out but cracking none the less .cork by 3points i'd say. kerry
want cork in the final cork would enjoy giving kerry some pay back for the final in 07
Rebels 9342, I that you Longball?
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Heard that B beat the A's in cork in a hectic hard hitting match played at a frantic pace. There could well be changes in the Cork team. Also heard Eoin Cadogan is meant to be flying it in training.
heard the same before dublin played kerry. Always sceptical when I hear teams "flying" in training and when B teams beat A teams. Usually means the A team is off form and not going well. Cork are playing a force on sunday they've never faced before- no training session is going to help them on Sunday its a question of their mental state.
Indiana, you make a lot os sense. I will give my two cents on the game later in the week. Will go back and look at the Tyrone V Kildare game, I was at both q/finals but want to go back and see how Kildare overwhelmed Tyone in first half. First thought, Cork should get a lot more clean possession around the middle third, would be concerned about their full forward line not as clinical as Tyrone's.
My early thought is that Cork will squeak a win. Will elaborate later if I get time.
Tyrone have always coped since 2003 without having a midfield giant. Take the 2/3 big lads out of Cork and they are no bigger than most inter county teams. I think tyrone will do fine at midfield and the variety of systems they have will eventually bamboozle cork. I see tyrone winning by 5/6 points. Donegal still scored 2-10 playing poorly and michael murphy despite being marked by 3 players went to town on their full back line.
Lynch coming back there will be a big help to the FB line Indiana, as for the midfield, I can't understand why some people think Tyrone might struggle there because the Cork midfield is the worst left in the championship. I'll be shocked in Murphy isn't taken off after getting cleaned and O'Connor is a very average footballer. However Cork have players to come in for every line of the field so they aren't dependent on anyone having a great game to win. Cork are a fairly young team though and many of their players will have never experienced the intensity Tyrone bring, if they can handle that they have a great chance IMO.
Quote from: rebels9342 on August 17, 2009, 01:38:35 PM
ok maybe cork didn't maul limerick( with their all men behind the ball tatic)
When it comes to men behind the ball, they ain't seen nothin' yet.
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want cork in the final cork would enjoy giving kerry some pay back for the final in 07
Ahem ...
Cork were missing Lynch, O Leary and Miskella against Limerick. Miskella in one of the most important players in this team.
Silly question time.
If a player crouchs down on all fours behind a midfielder and the midfielder falls over him. Is that a foul?
Quote from: marym on August 17, 2009, 02:38:33 PM
Cork were missing Lynch, O Leary and Miskella against Limerick. Miskella in one of the most important players in this team.
Can miskella defend though? Thats yet to be answered. Sure he's great going forward but I've a theory about half backs who spend their entire time playing like auxilliary wing forwards.
Well I think Declan O Sullivan knows all about Miskella as a defender.
Will the best "boys" in Cork be good enough? Despite sickly media fawning over their performances this season, Tyrone really havent visited the intensity required since September 08, for 70. This intensity and an unproven ability (yet) to play for 70 could be Tyrones downfall this year
Lets get one thing straight, v better forwards than kildares and Tyrone were probably gone at half time in the quarter final. What stands out to all though is the 35th to the 45th minute - how good was that, sublime yes, sustainable - no? its no fecking good if ye cant sustain the bursts.
I would expect Cork to be even better than Kildare - harder, more mobile and clever. Mc Geeney hurt because he felt he had Tyrone and let it slip, this come from a man who wouldnt exaggerate that fact, because he has been well beaten, narrowly defeated, drawn and won against Tyrone - hes had the fully myriad of experiences against Tyrone - more than any other individual in Ireland.
Now heres the issue - Was that wily old dodger Counihan watching Kildare...... unlocking the door, and forgetting to take the loot. What Conor Counihan learned about Tyrone and his ability to devise the proper series of tactics, could well be the difference come Sunday at 5 00. For too long Cork lacked tactics. They played football without thought, like Galway, Donegal etc and lots more. Tyrone say they want more titles - their greatness already assured, they play football with thought (c) yet Sunday might go to the hungrier team. Fascinating battle.
"Football with thought" (c2003) Tyrone GAA.
Quote from: marym on August 17, 2009, 03:01:19 PM
Well I think Declan O Sullivan knows all about Miskella as a defender.
True but when your midfield is being cleaned out like kerrys- half forwards spend most of the game defending anyway. I think Tyrone won't be as bad as kerry at midfield.
From the Irish Indo
Since 1991, Mickey Harte has nurtured Tyrone sides from youth to senior and the production line just keeps rolling
SUCCESS leaves clues but you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to discover the basis for Tyrone's production line of All-Ireland winners.
Patience, vision, determination, hard work and a long-term view which is at variance with the shifting sands of GAA county politics -- these are the elements on which the Tyrone football ethos is based.
They are not sexy, not 'fast-fix' methods to suit the microwave age, but enduring qualities that work over the long term.
And then there's the 'X factor', the longevity of the relationship between manager Mickey Harte and the majority of his team.
Of the players on duty for Tyrone in the recent All-Ireland quarter-final against Kildare, eight have travelled the road through heartbreak, success, further devastating loss, and ultimate glory alongside Harte since 1997.
They are Ciaran Gourley, Brian McGuigan, Pascal McConnell, Kevin Hughes, Stephen O'Neill, Owen Mulligan, Enda McGinley, and Michael McGee.
A further four -- Joe McMahon, Conor Gormley, Philip Jordan and Davy Harte-- signed on in time to claim their place in the county annals during Harte's time as the Tyrone U-21 manager.
And that does not take into account the late, great Cormac McAnallen and Paul McGirr who were taken from their families and team-mates at a cruelly early age.
It's still remarkable for any county to have 12 players of a squad of 30 on duty three weeks ago that have forged their careers in tandem with the humble man from Ballygawley who is the top football coach in Ireland right now.
testament
That alone is a great testament to the Tyrone football culture as personified by Mickey Harte and the team he has built and readjusted since claiming the Red Hands' first All-Ireland senior title in 2003.
Consider, too, that Harte has been at the coalface as a manager for Tyrone since 1991 when he started out with the county minor team, and you appreciate the depth of the foundations laid in the home of the All-Ireland champions.
Counties such as Dublin and Mayo, who expect far more of their senior teams than they have delivered for many years, would do well to ponder the template set out by Harte and Tyrone.
The Northern side have looked the most structured and cohesive team in the country and have dealt capably with every challenge posed by the opposition to date this summer.
Kerry have limped along before hitting the heights against a dismal Dublin side which in turn had promised far more than it was able to deliver when it came to the crunch.
Mayo also flattered to deceive; Cork are looking solid but will soon get a comprehensive NCT of their roadworthiness when they play Tyrone; and Meath are the shock team of the championship.
Football and sport don't always follow the form book, but none of these counties can match Tyrone in having the core of their squad bonded by passion and loyalty to the manager who nurtured them from their teens.
It's a fascinating relationship and Harte took time out from the build-up to the Cork game to reflect on the journey so far.
If there was one key factor, one turning point, Harte identifies it as the opportunity he had to stay working with the boys of '97 and '98 beyond their minor years.
"Well I suppose there's no guarantee that any particular template will work but I suppose the more significant thing was that I got to work with the 97/98 minors for three years at U-21 level.
"That was significant. I was able to continuously work with them.
"After '98, I had them in the U-21s from 1999 through to 2002 and those sides which won All-Irelands in 1998 with the minors, and 2000 and 2001 with the U-21s, came through to win the senior All-Ireland in 2003.
"Whatever about the statistics in relation to the Kildare game, the big statistic for me was that 13 of the 2003 All-Ireland winning panel came through from the '97/98 panels.
"Statistics show that, even if you have a successful minor team, 10 years later only two will be regulars in a county senior team.
"In other words, if you have a squad of 18-year-olds, when they're 28, you will, on average, have only two players in your senior side.
"So that was an amazing number of players to come through the ranks," he said.
The question then had to be posed: Was it down to you, the individual leader, or the inherent talent of the players which brought them through from underage football to the pinnacle of their achievements to date?
"I think it's a bit of everything. I think the most important thing from my perspective is that I would look back at the patience of the county board," said Harte.
"They had the vision to see what they were getting and to let it develop. What they were getting was players who were applying the best practice in learning and preparation and it took time.
"The teams were not necessarily bringing home cups and trophies but were doing things well. They evolved into a group of players who were applying the best practice and eventually the trophies came as well.
"To reach that stage required proper structures and (having) a system in place, creating the kind of player who will sustain the teams for the longer term. And then, they are a special group of players. Apart from football they had to cope with the hand of life they were dealt at a young age.
"Paul McGirr's death; Cormac. Kevin Hughes had a brother and sister killed; others in the group lost relatives.
"John Devine's father died just before the All-Ireland (final) last year, so there was a lot to deal with but these boys came through it all," he said.
Eighteen years as a team manager, almost seven of them in charge of the Tyrone senior side, and Harte retains his own enthusiasm at a high level.
He believes players should continue developing, and he highlights Brian Dooher as a great example.
"Brian Dooher is the epitome of a player improving as he gets older, but it's also up to me to keep improving myself.
"I have to change and I have to be open to change and be continuously thinking of doing things in a different way.
"As long as I do that, the players will realise that it's incumbent on them to develop as well," he said.
Harte admires the qualities of his players and his teams, but he doesn't do sentiment when it comes to the highest good of the cause.
Players don't get brownie points for longevity, and if they're out of form or the tactical situation requires it, out they go.
'The team always comes first' is Harte's Law, as he has proved at various stages, most notably by leaving stalwarts such as Brian McGuigan, Owen Mulligan and Stephen O'Neill out of his starting line-up for the All-Ireland final against Kerry last year.
So how does the relationship work, particularly with the long-serving players?
"It's an ongoing process -- they have grown up while I've grown old.
"We have a good relationship. We can have the banter but there's good respect on both sides and everyone knows when the banter has to stop and it's time to do the work," said Harte.
Ah, yes, the work. Physical fitness, agility and strength conditioning are honed to the highest level possible, utilising team sessions and private work the players are required to do on their own, but Harte doesn't believe in slog for the sake of it.
"It has always been our philosophy starting with the minors, that the ball was king.
"Our sessions will be 90pc ball-work. Occasionally we'll work without it, but rarely, because it's much easier and useful to do everything we can do with the ball," he said.
Tyrone's senior squad chases a successful defence of their All-Ireland title but within the county the schools system, the coaching and development panels are all being tuned to bring through the future generations of Tyrone footballers.
A fabulous and comprehensive centre of excellence, to cost around €8m, is to open in Garvaghy by 2014, but the flame of hero-worship is burning brightly within Tyrone.
"There's already a lot of coaching going on in schools and clubs and it gives an opportunity for coaches to learn ways of doing things well, and to bring on the next generation.
"Young fellas are taking the cues from their own heroes in their clubs, and the present team is building a legacy for new players to come.
cracked
"But you can never take this for granted and say this is the whole deal, that we have it cracked.
"All you can do is say we have been in good places in the last number of years and if we want to stay there, we need new players, new ideas, and new attitudes," said Harte.
Talk of development and future plans pales into insignificance as the All-Ireland semi-final clash with Cork looms on the horizon, which is the next big challenge for Harte and his men.
"To be ready for the next day we know we have to work hard.
"The stark reality facing ourselves and Cork is that one team will be playing in September on the greatest day of the football year, and the other's season will be finished.
"You are always just one game way from being knocked off the pedestal, and we don't want that to happen against Cork," he said.
- liam kelly
Cork-Limerick is the key game for Tony Donnelly, Mickey Harte & us to analyse.
Cork were missing half the defence that day so no point looking at that game.
Really looking forward to this one but wouldn't read too much into who played well or badly against previous opposition - each game is a new and different challenge. Both teams are building up a head of steam and the outcome imo is really in the balance. The outcome may well come down to who can cope with the mental pressure on the day and this being the case my money is on Tyrone - they have proven that when the chips are down and they have taken a setback they can regain their focus and go onto win - a trait of true champions. Cork on the other hand are an unproven force (at least until final whistle on Sunday!).
From the Hoganstand.com:
First Cork-Tyrone clash for 36 years
17 August 2009
Rather surprisingly, Cork and Tyrone meet for only the second time in the GAA All- Ireland football championship when they clash in next Sunday's semi-final in Croke Park (3.30).
They previously met in 1973 when Cork won the All-Ireland semi-final by 5-10 to 2-4 en route to winning the All-Ireland title. Cork have played five games to reach the semi-final while Tyrone have played four. Cork last reached the final two years ago while Tyrone are the reigning All-Ireland champions and are attempting to reach the final for the fourth time this decade.
Paths to the semi-final
Cork
Cork 2-18 Waterford 1-7 (Munster quarter-final)
Cork 1-10 Kerry 0-13 (Munster semi-final)
Cork 1-17 Kerry 0-12 Kerry (Replay)
Cork 2-6 Limerick 0-11 (Munster final)
Cork 1-27 Donegal 2-10 (All-Ireland quarter-final)
Average For: 1-17; Average Against: 1-10
Cork scorers
D O'Connor..........3-18 (0-12 frees, 2-0 pens)
D Goulding............1-15 (0-2 frees)
P Kerrigan............2-7
J Miskella..............0-9
P O'Neill..............1-4
C O'Neill...............0-6 (0-1 '45')
J Masters.............0-4
P Kelly..................0-3
F Goold................0-3
P Kissane.............0-2
P O'Flynn............0-2
G Canty...............0-2
F Lynch...............0-1
N O'Leary...........0-1
M Shields.............0-1
Tyrone
Tyrone 2-10 Armagh 1-10 (Ulster quarter-final)
Tyrone 0-15 Derry 0-7 (Ulster semi-final)
Tyrone 1-18 Antrim 0-15 (Ulster final)
Tyrone 0-16 Kildare 1-11 (All-Ireland quarter-final)
Average For: 1-14; Average Against: 1-10
Tyrone scorers
Stephen O'Neill..........1-11 (0-4 frees)
S Cavanagh................1-7
T McGuigan...............0-10 (0-7 frees)
O Mulligan..................0-7
M Penrose..................0-4 (0-1 free)
K Hughes...................0-4
B Dooher....................0-4
D Harte.......................0-3
Joe McMahon...........0-3 (0-1 '45)
C Gormley................1-0
B McGuigan...............0-2
Justin McMahon.......0-1
Sean O'Neill..............0-1
P Jordan....................0-1
R McMenamin..........0-1
All-Ireland Semi-finals in this decade Cork will be playing in their seventh All-Ireland semi-final this decade but have a poor record, having won just once when they beat Meath in 2007. They also drew one but lost four, all to Kerry. Tyrone have a 100 per cent semi-final record this decade having beaten Kerry, Armagh and Wexford. On each occasion they went on to win the All- Ireland final.
Cork's All-Ireland winning team from 1973 which had bate Tyrone by 15pts in the semi.
In the final Cork 3-17 bate Galway 2-13 for their first Sam since 1945.
1 B. Morgan (C) | 2 F. Cogan | 3 H. Kelleher | 4 B. Murphy | 5 K.J. O'Sullivan | 6 J. Coleman | 7 C. Hartnett | 8 D. Long | 9 D. Coughlan | 10 N. Kirby | 11 D. Barron | 12 D. McCarthy | 13 J. Barry-Murphy | 14 R. Cummins | 15 J. Barrett |
Subs used: D. Hunt for D. McCarthy | M. Scannell for D. Kelleher | S. Coughlan for J. Coleman |
Subs not used: N. Murphy | R. Wilmot | T. O'Brien |
Coach: D. O'Donovan
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2009, 10:32:37 PM
All-Ireland Semi-finals in this decade Cork will be playing in their seventh All-Ireland semi-final this decade but have a poor record, having won just once when they beat Meath in 2007. They also drew one but lost four, all to Kerry. Tyrone have a 100 per cent semi-final record this decade having beaten Kerry, Armagh and Wexford. On each occasion they went on to win the All- Ireland final.
Very interesting stat above. Its hard to say if this Cork team is any better than what has went before. Until they beat one of the top teams in a knock out game in Croker the jury is out on them in my opinion. Wouldnt be convinced by their defence. As good as Lynch is will he be fit and more importantly match sharp, the other 2 corner backs are there to be exploited in my opinion. Miskella had a field day against Donegal when Rory Kavanagh gave him very little to think about from either an offensive or defensive perspective sunday could be a different. As ever the Tyrone selection and line out will be intriguing. Noises I am hearing from the camp is that the team will be unchanged.
Quote from: loughshore lad on August 17, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2009, 10:32:37 PM
All-Ireland Semi-finals in this decade Cork will be playing in their seventh All-Ireland semi-final this decade but have a poor record, having won just once when they beat Meath in 2007. They also drew one but lost four, all to Kerry. Tyrone have a 100 per cent semi-final record this decade having beaten Kerry, Armagh and Wexford. On each occasion they went on to win the All- Ireland final.
Very interesting stat above. Its hard to say if this Cork team is any better than what has went before. Until they beat one of the top teams in a knock out game in Croker the jury is out on them in my opinion. Wouldnt be convinced by their defence. As good as Lynch is will he be fit and more importantly match sharp, the other 2 corner backs are there to be exploited in my opinion. Miskella had a field day against Donegal when Rory Kavanagh gave him very little to think about from either an offensive or defensive perspective sunday could be a different. As ever the Tyrone selection and line out will be intriguing. Noises I am hearing from the camp is that the team will be unchanged.
What about McGinley then? Tommy retaining his place?
If Tommy stops hitting those close-in frees so high then maybe.
What age is Tommy now by the way?
Quote from: loughshore lad on August 17, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
Noises I am hearing from the camp is that the team will be unchanged.
In one way I'd be quite surprised if that were the case, but in another I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 17, 2009, 11:04:36 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on August 17, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2009, 10:32:37 PM
All-Ireland Semi-finals in this decade Cork will be playing in their seventh All-Ireland semi-final this decade but have a poor record, having won just once when they beat Meath in 2007. They also drew one but lost four, all to Kerry. Tyrone have a 100 per cent semi-final record this decade having beaten Kerry, Armagh and Wexford. On each occasion they went on to win the All- Ireland final.
Very interesting stat above. Its hard to say if this Cork team is any better than what has went before. Until they beat one of the top teams in a knock out game in Croker the jury is out on them in my opinion. Wouldnt be convinced by their defence. As good as Lynch is will he be fit and more importantly match sharp, the other 2 corner backs are there to be exploited in my opinion. Miskella had a field day against Donegal when Rory Kavanagh gave him very little to think about from either an offensive or defensive perspective sunday could be a different. As ever the Tyrone selection and line out will be intriguing. Noises I am hearing from the camp is that the team will be unchanged.
What about McGinley then? Tommy retaining his place?
The person I was talking to was of the opinion the team starting would be that which started the Kildare, just a hunch they had.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2009, 11:10:54 PM
If Tommy stops hitting those close-in frees so high then maybe.
What age is Tommy now by the way?
About 26
Interesting article today by Paddy Heaney about Tyrone's training methods.
Can anyone post any IN articles or any interesting articles.
Lot of similarities between the two teams.
Both have 15 different scorers including their full back & wing backs
Both have an average conceded 1.10 with Cork having played an extra game.
Cork seem to be more dependant on their FF line for scores although P Kerrigan has done well with 2-7 from half forward.
D O'Connor..........3-18 (0-12 frees, 2-0 pens) so 1.06 from play
D Goulding............1-15 (0-2 frees) so 1.13 from play
Does this mean that if Tyrone can put the clamps on these two will Cork struggle to get scores elsewhere.
Wonder does Counihan toy with the idea of moving Goulding out to be marked by Davy Harte or evn Jordan like Kildrare did?
I haven't saw too much of Cork this year and so I dont know what to expect come Sunday but I have a feeling there will be a lot of tactical switches.
I hope we get our free taking sorted out with maybe even Sean taking the ones from the left hand side.
I can never understand for the life of me we free takers don't take more short frees and get into a better position rather than trying to score from far out or difficult angles. Is it just fear of losing possession?
Am I right to say U16's get a refund when they enter via Cusack stand gate? How much is it?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 18, 2009, 11:45:25 AM
Can anyone post any IN articles or any interesting articles.
Lot of similarities between the two teams.
Both have 15 different scorers including their full back & wing backs
Both have an average conceded 1.10 with Cork having played an extra game.
Cork seem to be more dependant on their FF line for scores although P Kerrigan has done well with 2-7 from half forward.
D O'Connor..........3-18 (0-12 frees, 2-0 pens) so 1.06 from play
D Goulding............1-15 (0-2 frees) so 1.13 from play
Does this mean that if Tyrone can put the clamps on these two will Cork struggle to get scores elsewhere.
Wonder does Counihan toy with the idea of moving Goulding out to be marked by Davy Harte or evn Jordan like Kildrare did?
I haven't saw too much of Cork this year and so I dont know what to expect come Sunday but I have a feeling there will be a lot of tactical switches.
I hope we get our free taking sorted out with maybe even Sean taking the ones from the left hand side.
I can never understand for the life of me we free takers don't take more short frees and get into a better position rather than trying to score from far out or difficult angles. Is it just fear of losing possession?
Am I right to say U16's get a refund when they enter via Cusack stand gate? How much is it?
Where's FOSB when u need him, if you're around throw up heaneys column from Irish news, an interesting read.
On the subject of your u-16 query, if they have a ticket for either the cusack or davin stand they will recieve €25 refund for semi final ticket, so their ticket will cost €20, same applies for students/OAPs. Alternatevely you could purchase a juvenile ticket for €5 but this is limited to a certain section of the davin stand
Cocky Cork gits ;), from today's Irish News:
Rebels ready for Tyrone challenge
By Denis Hurley
WHILE Cork manager Conor Counihan acknowledges that his side face a huge test in Sunday's All-Ireland football semi-final with Tyrone, he is not overawed by it. It is the first time that the counties have met in the Championship since 1973 and as a result there is a fear of the unknown, but Counihan does not feel that the All-Ireland champions are invincible.
"I think any team are beatable," he said. "The exception, at the minute, might possibly be Kilkenny in hurling, but I don't think in a footballing context that there are any team out there that are unbeatable."
And, while the Munster champions would no doubt have taken heart from the fight Kildare put up to Tyrone in the quarter-final, Counihan is not placing too much store on the outcome of one particular game. "Every game takes its own life," he said. "If you were to judge the year like that, you'd be looking at Dublin against Kildare and then saying look at Dublin against Kerry.
"What you put in over 70 minutes is what you get out of it, you've got to put in more than the opposition."
And does he feel that his side are ready for the intensity that Tyrone will bring? "I suppose there's no answer to that until the answer comes on Sunday at 3.30," he said. "You obviously like to think you are but you never know until the game itself."
Influential corner-back Anthony Lynch missed Cork's facile last-eight win over Donegal, but has recently returned to training and Counihan is hopeful that he will not have injury worries ahead of the game. "Hopefully we'll have a full panel to pick from," he said. "People seem in good form, they're up for the challenge and if we had everyone to pick from then that'd be great, everyone fresh and looking forward to it."
However, the manager is not counting any chickens regarding Lynch's fitness either."He's back doing a bit of work now again, but it's 50-50 at this stage and we won't know until very late," said Counihan. "Groins can be sensitive in their own way, some can be complicated and some cannot. At the minute he's progressing, he's only a short time back in training, the main thing is that he doesn't get a reaction."
While Lynch would be expected to return in place of Kieran O'Connor, who deputised for him against Donegal, Counihan says that there are still chances for fringe players to stake a claim. "There are places up for grabs all the time," he said. "It goes down to the wire, we have whatever time we have now left and there will be tight calls."
As regards the semi-final and the threat that the Ulster champions possess, Counihan feels that focusing on their own game is Cork's best chance of success, rather than coming up with a plan to foil Tyrone. "No, we're doing our own thing, sticking to our routine. Obviously, we'd assess the opposition to some extent, but primarily we're concerned about our own performance and getting the maximum from that. We'll look at some aspects of their play and try and plan to a certain extent for that but, by and large, we'll be focusing on our own performance."
Should that performance prove to be enough to get the win, though, it would mean that Cork would be a battle-hardened outfit ahead of the final and prepared for anything Kerry or Meath might throw at them. "Yeah, it would be, but I'll talk more about that if I have the opportunity in a number of weeks' time.
"Let's get over this first if we can at all."
QuoteDoes this mean that if Tyrone can put the clamps on these two will Cork struggle to get scores elsewhere.
I wouldn't think so, Canty and Miskella from the half back line regularly get on the score sheet and all the half forwards can score if given the opportunity. More importantly Colm O'Neill is starting now and he is quality, in fact O'Connor in particular has been average this year and Goulding has missed some great goal scoring opportunities so I wouldn't think either is that important. But the real ace for Counihan is the bench, Hayes, Lynch, Cussen and Gould can all be brought in without weakening the team whatsoever.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2009, 12:04:07 PM
Where's FOSB when u need him, if you're around throw up heaneys column from Irish news, an interesting read.
Your wish OG... ;)
Sam the only prize for Harte By Paddy HeaneyTYRONE'S record 10-game Championship winning streak will be quickly forgotten unless they reach this year's All-Ireland final says Mickey Harte.
Tyrone's sequence of success stretches back to last July when they beat Louth in a Round One qualifier. Harte's side has won every Championship bout they have contested since that game in Drogheda. The six victories from July 19, 2008 until September 21, 2008 took them to the Sam Maguire Cup, while the four wins this season have taken them to Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final clash against Cork.
The 10-straight victories are a new record for Mickey Harte, although he says it will count for little if Tyrone lose on Sunday."I suppose it's only going to be good if we can add to it. Winning 10 games and not being in the final will not be remembered by many. I guess we will need to make it 11 games before people begin to see that it is something to be very proud of," he said.
The three-time All-Ireland winning manager admitted that the Anglo-Celt Cup no longer represents a good summer for the Red Hands. "Our season is not successful if we lose to Cork. That is the bottom line. To have a successful season, we must get to the final and we haven't done that yet," he said.
Harte's comments represent a sea change in attitude since the last time when Tyrone and Cork last met in the All-Ireland series. The All-Ireland semi-final of 1973 accounts for one of the repeated thrashings foisted on the champions of Ulster between 1968 and 1991. On August 19, 1973 Cork beat Tyrone by 15 points, on a scoreline of 5-10 to 2-4.
Much has changed since those dark days of the '70s. As the reigning All-Ireland champions, Tyrone will be favourites to beat Cork on Sunday. And due to their hugely successful playing careers, the Tyrone footballers will expect to beat the Rebels. Harte believes that the success these Tyrone players enjoyed at minor and U21 level was pivotal in their development as senior footballers. Commenting on the winning mentality of the Tyrone changing room, he said: "That comes with experience. And it comes from experience at underage level, which is important. A lot of these boys have played at underage level in semi-finals and finals. The more you do something, the more it becomes the norm."
Harte also believes that his players' familiarity with Croke Park is another key factor to their success. The days of being overwhelmed by the stadium and the occasion are over. "I would always go back to the experience of 2005," he said. "We played seven matches in Croke Park that year so it really became a home venue for us. There is no awe about the place any more. There is awe for the fact that it is a great stadium. But there is no awe to excite you."
How to simulate in training the frenetic level of intensity his Cork players will be confronted with by Tyrone in Sunday's All-Ireland SFC semi final at Croke Park.
True to form, the Aghada man examines the issue like he does most others – carefully.
"Of course, we have to match their intensity, but nobody should forget the skill factor here either. You still have to put scores on the board."
Privately, his players will confirm Counihan has more or less swallowed the whistle in training, happy to let the tempers bubble up as the back-to-back Munster champions prepare for the ultimate test of will and resolve.
"You can't afford to be afraid of anyone," Counihan cautions. "If you go out with that attitude, you're in trouble straight away. We've always ingrained that philosophy in the lads – not to worry too much about the opposition.
"We've gone into each match taking the game to the other team and that'll be our philosophy again on Sunday."
While Cork were denied a Croke Park grilling in the quarter-final, they do have an afternoon's toil against Limerick in their locker from the Munster final. That should help.
"We haven't prepared any differently because it's Tyrone. We're in the same mode all along. We'd always pick on form at training and not on the basis of the opposition. What the management sees on the training pitch is very important to us. The lads know that too. The game is about the team and I'm very excited for them."
He added: "We study the opposition to a certain extent but your big focus has to be on your own team. The tougher games make you better – that's why the Donegal game was very disappointing, because we got nothing out of it. We like to step back and assess after games but it's difficult to go to someone and ask him to look at things if he's scored 1-3 or 1-4."
In fact, Tyrone's quarter-final grind against Kildare was precisely what Counihan and his selectors would have relished. The Cork coach has studied the tape but it didn't tell him anything he didn't appreciate about Mickey Harte's battlers.
"Total commitment, 15-man effort on the field, never-say-die attitude," he responds when asked what makes the Red Hands the champions they are.
"Tyrone seem to be the standard bearers in terms of intensity, but we've played a lot of other good teams in the 18 months I've been involved. It'll be different but we have to handle that situation. I'm under no illusions that this will be the toughest game we've played so far."
With James Masters struggling, the Cork selectors may be spared one decision in the full-forward line, leaving them the choice of Kieran O'Connor or a returning Anthony Lynch in the full-back line. If Alan O'Connor's back ailment persists, Fintan Goold looks well placed to come in. Either way, the man who brought no nonsense defending to an art form in his own day knows there's no place for equivocation on Sunday against a side who win first and ask questions later.
A dirty side, even? "We wouldn't have first-hand experience of them and until you meet a side on the field of play, you never truly know what they're like. To me they are a very formidable side and it will take a lot of effort over 70 minutes and more."
The thought persists that Douglas's Eoin Cadogan might relish the physical confrontations on Sunday, but Counihan felt that "time was short" for him to get a much-needed run in the quarter final stroll against Donegal.
"He needed a bit more time (after coming into the panel), but everyone is being considered for this game. That's the good thing: we have a full panel, and with that comes options."
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Tuesday, August 18, 2009
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Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/counihan-girds-cork-for-toughest-test-98943.html#ixzz0OX0xYtW1
cheers FOSB, any chance you could post his own column, where he chats about the training session?
Sorry OG, here it is:
Watch Tyrone if you really want to see best practice
Against the Breeze
By Paddy Heaney
The idea that plain old hard work and discipline are the twin planks of success can be hard to accept, particularly for perennial runners-up.
There's always a temptation to believe that some brilliant techniques and innovative coaching devices are what really separate winners from losers. I am more guilty than most of believing in the 'secret way'. And as I walked towards a Tyrone training session last Tuesday night, some of my long-held suspicions looked like they were going to be proved correct.
The session took place at the Mid-Ulster Sports Arena just outside Cookstown. The two gaelic pitches are located in the far corner of the sprawling complex. As the players came into sharper focus, I could have sworn that I saw them playing a mini-sided game with a rugby ball. 'Ah-ha,' I thought to myself. 'This is why they average 17 points a game in Croke Park. If you train with a rugby ball, the O'Neills size five must seem like a doddle.'
But a Tyrone die-hard watching from the sidelines was unimpressed. "I came down here once and they were playing with a tennis ball," he said. The game with the oval ball didn't last long. In fact, very few of the drills, games, and exercises supervised by trainer Fergal McCann lasted very long. Everything was done at an extremely brisk tempo. The press-ups and sit-ups were in sets of five. The nine-a-side conditioned games were played in one-minute bursts. McCann would referee one game and Mickey Harte the other. These games were followed by a sequence of taxing physical exercises. (So much for everything being done with the ball!)
This is when the two white vans parked between the two pitches came into play. The vans held the low hurdles, which were put at the start of the 40-metre sprinting drills. They also contained equipment that I've never seen on a training pitch. Medicine balls were produced for one set of strengthening exercises. Then out came these foam moulds that could be held by the players on their shoulders.
They were divided into groups of five. One player would put the weight on his shoulders and jump, taking his knees into his chest, for about 30 seconds. It looked exhausting.
Another drill, done in groups of three, required nothing but strength and trust. One player would stand rigid, hands by his side, and fall forwards like a toppling pillar. He would be prevented from crashing face-first into the ground by the player in front of him, who would stop his fall, then propel him backwards. The man in the middle would then start falling backwards and be stopped by the player behind him, who would thrust him forward. And so he would continue, like a pendulum.
All these drills were done with remarkable speed and efficiency. And, despite the huge variation, there was a seamless transition between each discipline. If the first half-hour of the session provided a few novel ideas and sights, the remaining hour was utterly familiar.
Forget about groundbreaking systems and think tackling – lots and lots of tackling. On the second pitch, which was divided into six channels, McCann barked out instructions for various drills. There was two-on-one, two-on-two and three against three. The chief characteristics of these exercises were that they were hard and fair. When goalkeeper Johnny Curran got caught unbalanced he was unceremoniously lifted off his feet with a shoulder charge. But it was all best practice. There was none of the sloppy, lazy, and illegal tackling, which normally creeps into club sessions and goes unpunished.
Throughout it all, Mickey Harte quietly presided over everything with Tony Donnelly by his side. Mainly silent, the players were aware the manager was surveying their every step. During one tackling drill, when a group of players charged through a lame defence, Harte was quick to shout: "That was too easy, boys." It was the only time I heard him raise his voice.
Harte's demeanour came as no huge surprise. The same cannot be said for the atmosphere in which the session was conducted. Given that the spine of this group has been together for over a decade, some level of jocularity and levity would be expected. After all, many of the Tyrone players are friends and team-mates. But, with the very odd exception, the 90 minutes were completed with grim-faced intent. It was totally business-like. Cork and Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final was never mentioned.
Again, it would be inaccurate to make a sweeping generalisation as one player did joke, quip, and jibe his way through the evening. He was Ryan McMenamin, the glue which holds Tyrone together, and the one player who already looks tailor-made for a successful career in management. When he won a sprint, 'Ricey' did a mock celebration. And when he lined up against Conor Gormley and Mickey McGee in a tackling drill, he looked at both and observed that he was facing: "The parish of Carrickmore." Then he and Gormley went for each other like snarling dogs. When the hostilities ended, they walked off smiling.
It was worth an admission fee. The tackling was frenetic and, by 8.40pm, a few players were gasping for breath. But it was far from over. When everyone was called into the circle, Donnelly announced the teams for the 15-a-side game and went over a few details. Harte added a few words.
At this juncture, the benefits of Tyrone's 30-plus squad became apparent. John Devine may have been injured and Owen Mulligan and Brian Dooher were receiving treatment, but Harte was still able to play a full 15-a-side game with two specialist goalkeepers on an incredibly broad pitch. (It wouldn't surprise me if the pitch had the same measurements as Croke Park).
Again, the trend for short bursts of each activity continued. The first game lasted less than 10 minutes and was followed by further tackling. Then, after a second huddle, and more instructions from Donnelly and Harte, there was a second game. Harte refereed and, unlike his friend Brian Cody, he did blow the whistle. Poor tackling was penalised.
Although the players had being training flat-out for 80 minutes, the speed of the last contest was mightily impressive. It was mostly one-touch football. As Cork may learn, those who dwelt in possession got nailed. And, judging by the kick-outs, it was obvious that plans are being put in place to deals with Cork's huge height advantage at midfield. However, the residence of the 6'3" Justin McMahon in the full-back line suggested that Harte isn't going to t**ker with his line-up.
Of course, that could change. During the training sessions before last year's All-Ireland final, Harte kept playing Joe McMahon at wing-forward and full-back long after he had decided that the Omagh man would be marking Tommy Walsh. Why? Because he wanted to keep all the players guessing about the final 15 in order to maintain maximum intensity for the longest possible time before the final.
So, yes, there are tricks, there are managerial manoeuvres. But, they merely provide the finishing touches.
Go watch Tyrone train, and you'll see in Cookstown what you'll see in Croke Park this Sunday: tackling – lots and lots of tackling.
Must say I enjoyed reading that.
Ricey does seem to be the glue in the squad and the messer.
He seems to be in the middle of everything & one of the real leaders in the squad though there are plenty more.
I hope we see a bit more from Sean Cavanagh this Sunday as the big lad has seemed to let the season by pass him bar the Antrim match. He needs to show he won't be pushed about as he's getting a repultation now for being too easy to put off his game.
McCaul out for the season as the knee is banjaxed again. Bad luck for the big lad.
Aye gutting for the lad and a huge blow for Donaghmore.
Trying to buy two tickets for the Cusack but ticketout master only has 707 row V so very high up
Do you reckon the lower tier will become available later in the week when clubs return theirs or are we expecting a massive crowd?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 18, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
Trying to buy two tickets for the Cusack but ticketout master only has 707 row V so very high up
Do you reckon the lower tier will become available later in the week when clubs return theirs or are we expecting a massive crowd?
Wouldn't hold your breath I might get those tickets if you don't.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 18, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
Trying to buy two tickets for the Cusack but ticketout master only has 707 row V so very high up
Do you reckon the lower tier will become available later in the week when clubs return theirs or are we expecting a massive crowd?
If you happen to live close to a tickmaster agent I recommend paying them a visit when getting your tickets. Music master in omagh is the agent nearest me and the fella in there is able to bring up all the tickets available on the computer screen an were exactly they are. For the last number of games I have been able to pick my seats which has been a lot better than buying them off the net were u aren't given the option.
Bad luck hearing bout mc caul, really looked like a good prospect over the last couple of years. Hope he has a speedy recovery
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2009, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 18, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
Trying to buy two tickets for the Cusack but ticketout master only has 707 row V so very high up
Do you reckon the lower tier will become available later in the week when clubs return theirs or are we expecting a massive crowd?
If you happen to live close to a tickmaster agent I recommend paying them a visit when getting your tickets. Music master in omagh is the agent nearest me and the fella in there is able to bring up all the tickets available on the computer screen an were exactly they are. For the last number of games I have been able to pick my seats which has been a lot better than buying them off the net were u aren't given the option.
Bad luck hearing bout mc caul, really looked like a good prospect over the last couple of years. Hope he has a speedy recovery
Whereabouts are they OG?
I'll just drop up to the ticket office near Croker though they're only open 10am-4pm.
Rang the ticket line there and message says there will be stalls selling tickets on Sunday around the ground.
Do you reckon we'll get 60K?
A lot of neutrals are going and would expect a lot of Dubs to go.
If the Cork bandwagon is in full swing it could easily break 60K.
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 18, 2009, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2009, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 18, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
Trying to buy two tickets for the Cusack but ticketout master only has 707 row V so very high up
Do you reckon the lower tier will become available later in the week when clubs return theirs or are we expecting a massive crowd?
If you happen to live close to a tickmaster agent I recommend paying them a visit when getting your tickets. Music master in omagh is the agent nearest me and the fella in there is able to bring up all the tickets available on the computer screen an were exactly they are. For the last number of games I have been able to pick my seats which has been a lot better than buying them off the net were u aren't given the option.
Bad luck hearing bout mc caul, really looked like a good prospect over the last couple of years. Hope he has a speedy recovery
Whereabouts are they OG?
Foundry Lane. Didn't realise they were a Ticketmaster agent.
I know a few Derry wans going and a lock of armagh headers, I get the feeling every neutral fancys visiting Croke Park during the 125th year to see the big teams, and they see this as one of the the last chances to do it.
I see in the IN Tyrone have a season celebration event coming up shortly. They're getting the celebrations in a bit early this year.
great front page headline today, cut it out and put it on the wall.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 18, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
Trying to buy two tickets for the Cusack but ticketout master only has 707 row V so very high up
Do you reckon the lower tier will become available later in the week when clubs return theirs or are we expecting a massive crowd?
If you select the section , it will check for tickets in that section ..
I just tried ticketmaster and selected hogan lower rather that best availabled and I got these:
Section
Row
Seats
Description
LOW326
S
19 - 18
** ENTER VIA JONES'S ROAD **
BLUE ROUTE
ONE PRICE ONLY
HOGAN STAND - LOWER TIER
foundry lane is correct ziggy, I have got all my tickets in there this year. The fella let's u come in behind the counter to look at were exactly available tickets are. Can be very useful as he was able to tell me what row on the lower tier is covered incase of heavy showers ruining the day! Plus there is less service charge, as ticketmaster.ie was charging €3.50 and he was only charging £1.89
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2009, 04:49:28 PM
Plus there is less service charge, as ticketmaster.ie was charging €3.50 and he was only charging £1.89
That's interesting as I have had to pay the same service charge of 10% of ticket price whether it was online or from a shop. Maybe different shops can charge different amounts.
Fuzzman, Row V isn't that far up on upper Cusack. To be honest, those seats are much better than either area 326 or 336 on lower hogan. it's unlikely that Ticketmaster online will have any other lower cusack tickets before the end of the week but you might get some from their stall on drumcondra road on Sunday itself.
I got tickets in 707 this morning so very happy.
Your far better getting Upper Deck seats than being stuck in the lower deck in the corner. Row v would be right and far back, probably near the back.
Correct Archie, Row V is 5 rows from the back/top on the Upper Cusack.
I got row M on 707 upper cusack this afternoon on ticketmaster - happy enough with that!
www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com (a preview from the Rebels of the Cork v Tyrone match)
Quote from: marym on August 18, 2009, 09:00:41 PM
www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com (a preview from the Rebels of the Cork v Tyrone match)
Har, har, har! Jeez they're a hilarious bunch altogether Mary.
Another you might like to read is on page 3 of the same site, even funnier(Cork v Donegal)
Quote from: marym on August 18, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
Another you might like to read is on page 3 of the same site, even funnier(Cork v Donegal)
Nah, the photo with the caption "bringing the Sam Maguire back to the UK" >:( was enough hilarity for me Marym, dunno if i
could suffer any more of that rebel wit!
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 18, 2009, 10:32:02 PM
Nah, the photo with the caption "bringing the Sam Maguire back to the UK" >:( was enough hilarity for me Marym, dunno if i
could suffer any more of that rebel wit!
More west brit than rebel wit with that particular caption ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 18, 2009, 10:48:13 PM
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 18, 2009, 10:32:02 PM
Nah, the photo with the caption "bringing the Sam Maguire back to the UK" >:( was enough hilarity for me Marym, dunno if i
could suffer any more of that rebel wit!
More west brit than rebel wit with that particual caption ;)
Yeah true FOSB. Ya Know, after reading that muck, Mike Sheehy isnt a bad 'oul skin after all :D
The Cork Senior Football team to play Tyrone on Sunday is as follows:
1.Alan Quirke (Valley Rovers)
2.Ray Carey (Clyda Rovers)
3.Michael Shields (St. Finbarrs)
4.Anthony Lynch (Naomh Aban)
5.Noel O Leary (Cill na Martra)
6.Graham Canty (Bantry Blues) - Capt.
7.John Miskella (Ballincollig)
8.Alan O Connor (St. Colums)
9.Nicholas Murphy (Carrigaline)
10.Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
11.Pearse O Neill (Aghada)
12.Paddy Kelly (Ballincollig)
13.Daniel Goulding (Eire Og)
14.Colm O Neill (Ballyclough)
15.Donnacha O Connor (Ballydesmond)
Quote from: marym on August 18, 2009, 09:00:41 PM
www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com (a preview from the Rebels of the Cork v Tyrone match)
:D
That's class. I particularly liked this bit from the guide to Donegal "Is Tánaiste Mary Coughlan's performance in government motivation for Cork?" :D
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 18, 2009, 10:50:29 PM
Yeah true FOSB. Ya Know, after reading that muck, Mike Sheehy isnt a bad 'oul skin after all :D
Dear, dear Mike! ;D
Tyrone 0-11 Cork 0-9
Hey, Sure why not.
QuoteYeah true FOSB. Ya Know, after reading that muck, Mike Sheehy isnt a bad 'oul skin after all
A fine well well balanced piece from what I could see.
in fact here it is
Cork V Tyrone Preview
The Tyrone Taliban bringing Sam Maguire back to the UK
With all the talk about this fear we're supposed to have of Tyrone's footballers you'd think Cork's footballers were some junior B backwater outfit slapped together after forty five phone calls at half nine on a damp Sunday morning bank holiday. You know the type of scenario...
Eventually enough 'victims' willing to forego their hangovers are found to put a team out albeit the team has the local priest in goal (after he agreed to cancel 11 O'Clock mass), two altar boys as corner forwards and three shivering forty-four year olds half backs - the big woollen jackets they insist on wearing in the rain being the closest thing to a 'blanket defence' they can muster.
As they wait for their opposition to arrive at the pitch it doesn't offer much consolation that the full back is asking around for a spare fag while the two midfielders are taking turns vomiting (although that's not always seen as a bad thing - RTE panellist Joe Brolly has never been one to condemn Ulster's brand of puke-football).
Not that anyone is entirely sure who is acting as the 'bainisteoir' the team talk usually involves helping the unfortunate volunteers to remember the rules. "No double bouncing now lads - that's a free and make sure you rise the caid and don't pick it up straight off the ground.".
A final message to the troops, as the other team's shining minibus rolls up the lane, mixes practicality with, what could be on another day, mistaken for the wisdom of a sporting philosopher, "lads, laziness is a always free out but stupidity is a free in.".
Trotting from the sanctity of the corrugated shed towards the sodden pitch the team's sense of confusion is almost as big as the fear of the sight of their challengers - or executioners: squad of fit, muscular, pumped-up twenty-something males gunning for action, determined to avenge the enforced sobriety of a Saturday night on their Sunday morning victims.
The insinuation that Cork's footballers will be in a similar state of mind as the All-Ireland Champions run out on to Croke Park on Sunday is an insult. Far from the wincing altar boy corner forwards Cork, for one, have monstrosities of men on their panel.
Seventeen out of a squad of thirty are over six foot three. Michael Cussen is six foot seven and the Cork selectors have to contact air traffic control every time he runs onto a pitch. Nicholas Murphy, just two inches of altitude lower, often has to have his head warmed up at half time to stop mountainous snow building up on his towering noggin.
Centre forward Pearse O'Neill is so large and dangerous that it is no secret he has to be transported to matches in a pallet surrounded by yards of bubble wrap - not to molly-coddle the Cork footballer himself but to protect the public from his deadly frame.
Noel O'Leary is so intimidating that he once cut the long grass in Pairc Úi Rinn by roaring at it from the sideline. Like the turf at Flower Lodge we expect the red hands of Ulster to wilt just as easily under the red feet of Cork's skilful footballers.
Anthony Lynch is so quick and awesome that few forwards can ever find a way around him. In fact most Kerrymen find it easier to get through Macroom's traffic than find a route around the 'Ballyvourney Barricade'.
So the mind boggles as to how Cork are supposed to be in fear of Tyrone when such beastly super humans await Michey Harte's squad.
Of course we, in Cork, respect the Ulstermen and their minor achievements but it's a sort of respect that may only extend to offering a hand to carry the wounded from the pitch when the likes of Miskella, Canty and Kerrigan explode into action.
For those getting carried away with Tyrone's greatness remember that Cork have won Sam Maguire twice as many times as Tyrone. And football is their trump card - we don't need to tell you about Tyrone's hurling accolades because it would fit between the last letter in this sentence and the full stop.
Nobody's saying we haven't been to Croke Park before and had our hopes rained on but this team have been looking more and more like champions all season so we're backing the Rebels this Sunday to win by a significant margin and send the co-architects of Ulster's "puke-football" back to their drawing boards.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 15, 2009, 08:54:35 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2009, 06:11:42 AM
QuoteCork slam Tyrone football legends?
Legends... to who ??
Tis only a bit of fun Mike.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 19, 2009, 04:48:50 AM
in fact here it is
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That's the spirit Mike. It's all good fun after all ;D
Chance to banish ghost of JBM
By Brendan O'Brien
Wednesday, August 19, 2009
IT is August 1973. A miserable drizzle is falling on a Croke Park that isn't near half-full for the All-Ireland semi-final between Cork and Tyrone and a teenage Mickey Harte is watching history repeat itself right before his very eyes.
Eleven months earlier, Harte was full-forward on a Tyrone minor team that fell three points short of Cork and an All-Ireland title in the same stadium and here was the same man who did for them in '72 doubling the dose a year later.
"I remember it well," he recalls. "I was in Croke Park for that game (in '73) and obviously we wouldn't have many fond memories of the day here in Tyrone.
"It wasn't the best of games in fact, if memory serves me correctly.
"Jimmy Barry Murphy scored two goals for Cork. He really came into his own that year with the seniors but I wasn't surprised. Jimmy had played against us in the minor final the year before. He scored two goals that day as well. One of them was a penalty. He was always the kind of player who might be kept quiet for 45-50 minutes and then he would just come with a few goals. That was the kind of player he was."
Better days were just around the corner for the Tyrone minors. There was no Jimmy Barry Murphy to come between them and the Tom Markham Cup in September of 73 but the success of Harte's successors only illuminated his own disappointment.
In conversation with this paper two years ago Harte spoke of how his own side was so quickly forgotten despite coming so close and how the class of '73 was still being feted 25 years later because they had won an All-Ireland.
"We were just nothing," he said at the time and the revelation provided by Cork in 1972 of how thin the line is between failure and success has served him well in the last dozen years at minor, U21 and senior management levels.
Thirty-six years on and here come Cork again. The counties have yet to write another chapter in their mutual senior championship history but Harte has other painful experiences of the Rebels that also need exorcising.
The counties met six years in a row in Division 1A of the National League between 2002 and 2007 and, though Tyrone just about won more than they lost, the last meeting at Páirc Uí Rinn has lingered longest in the memory.
Tyrone travelled south that weekend on the back of an impressive McKenna Cup campaign and with two wins from two bagged already in the league. Cork had lost to both Donegal and Kerry but still won by eight points. Harte emits a low chuckle when he is reminded of it.
"Yeah, as some of the commentators said at the time, we took a hell of a battering. That is for sure. They were on fire that night and they showed the potential they had. I had been saying for the previous four or five years that Cork were far better than the results in the championship actually portrayed.
"It's not a surprise that eventually they would come to be a major force in the championship. I suppose they have had that thing with Kerry where they seem to have a degree ofdifficulty beating them outside of Munster but I think they are getting over those kinds of phobias now and just proving to be a quality side.
"They have an abundance of quality players with lots of experience and they have a bunch of young boys in there now as well who have been very successful at U21 level. That's the secret.
"If you can blend those two areas together then you have a serious bunch of ingredients there and Cork have that at the minute. The younger players feel at home at that level and the older ones make them feel at home."
With Cork and Kerry giving such breathtaking displays in their respective quarter-finals, the entire country is beginning to fret about the prospect of another all-Munster decider — no less than the twocounties themselves probably.
Harte's only response to that is to let out another little chortle and say merely that Tyrone will be doing their best to throw a spanner in the works but how good are Cork on the basis of their game against Donegal? John Joe Doherty's lads rocked up to Croke Park with their previously deflated reputations ballooned by victories against Derry and Galway and then folded like flat-pack Swedish furniture on the day.
"You can't really look at the Donegal game as a true picture of anything. Cork won't be doing that and nor will the rest of the country. It was one of those games where Donegal just ran out of steam, or whatever you might say.
"As the game developed they just weren't there and Cork were allowed to do what they wanted to do. That wasn't their fault. They could only play what was put in front of them. On that day Donegal didn't put up any resistance.
"I'm sure Cork will be smart enough to know that every day can't be like that. Nobody is going to run away with some silly notion that Cork think they are all that. Cork will think they are great because they are in an All-Ireland semi-final."
He knows a thing or two about easy rides after the early weeks of summer spent sauntering through Ulster.
Usually a battleground, the race for the Anglo-Celt Cup was more like a procession this time.
Armagh, Derry and Antrim were all powerless against Tyrone's combination of experience, skill, versatility, tactical nous and sheer hunger. Even Harte was taken aback by the serenity of it all. "Yes, it has been more straightforward if I am being honest about it. We would have expected a much tougher battle in Ulster. With the teams we were drawn against that is the least you would have expected to happen.
"But on any given day it didn't happen and we got through without taxing ourselves as much as we would have expected to do. That can be a good thing or a bad thing, no-one really knows.
"You might want to be more battle-hardened for an All-Ireland campaign. It probably has its advantages and its disadvantages but we can't do anything about that going into a semi-final. We're there and we'll do the best we can."
It isn't often that a Tyrone man has reason to give thanks to a neighbour from Armagh but Harte could hardly have asked for a more testing examination than that offered to them by Kieran McGeeney's Kildare in the last eight.
On reflection, the Leinster finalists were the perfect opponents. An up and coming team, powerful and mobile and on a run but one yet to discover the alchemy that allows sides progress from nearly men to supermen.
Kildare played the role to perfection. They led by four points at the break, absorbed the blows when Tyrone responded and even caught a second wind with which to chase the champions through to the finish.
Perfect.
"You need purple patches in a game and you need to make those purple patches count. We got ours at the right time against Kildare, after the break. We came out with a strong message and sometimes you need to do that.
"That was a win in itself or us. It was a nip and tuck game after that but I think we had that ascendancy because we got our noses in front and we were able to keep them there. It was good for us."
Next up, Cork. And a chance to banish the ghost of Jimmy Barry Murphy.
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Wednesday, August 19, 2009
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 19, 2009, 04:48:50 AM
in fact here it is
Cork V Tyrone Preview
The Tyrone Taliban bringing Sam Maguire back to the UK
With all the talk about this fear we're supposed to have of Tyrone's footballers you'd think Cork's footballers were some junior B backwater outfit slapped together after forty five phone calls at half nine on a damp Sunday morning bank holiday. You know the type of scenario...
Eventually enough 'victims' willing to forego their hangovers are found to put a team out albeit the team has the local priest in goal (after he agreed to cancel 11 O'Clock mass), two altar boys as corner forwards and three shivering forty-four year olds half backs - the big woollen jackets they insist on wearing in the rain being the closest thing to a 'blanket defence' they can muster.
As they wait for their opposition to arrive at the pitch it doesn't offer much consolation that the full back is asking around for a spare fag while the two midfielders are taking turns vomiting (although that's not always seen as a bad thing - RTE panellist Joe Brolly has never been one to condemn Ulster's brand of puke-football).
Not that anyone is entirely sure who is acting as the 'bainisteoir' the team talk usually involves helping the unfortunate volunteers to remember the rules. "No double bouncing now lads - that's a free and make sure you rise the caid and don't pick it up straight off the ground.".
A final message to the troops, as the other team's shining minibus rolls up the lane, mixes practicality with, what could be on another day, mistaken for the wisdom of a sporting philosopher, "lads, laziness is a always free out but stupidity is a free in.".
Trotting from the sanctity of the corrugated shed towards the sodden pitch the team's sense of confusion is almost as big as the fear of the sight of their challengers - or executioners: squad of fit, muscular, pumped-up twenty-something males gunning for action, determined to avenge the enforced sobriety of a Saturday night on their Sunday morning victims.
The insinuation that Cork's footballers will be in a similar state of mind as the All-Ireland Champions run out on to Croke Park on Sunday is an insult. Far from the wincing altar boy corner forwards Cork, for one, have monstrosities of men on their panel.
Seventeen out of a squad of thirty are over six foot three. Michael Cussen is six foot seven and the Cork selectors have to contact air traffic control every time he runs onto a pitch. Nicholas Murphy, just two inches of altitude lower, often has to have his head warmed up at half time to stop mountainous snow building up on his towering noggin.
Centre forward Pearse O'Neill is so large and dangerous that it is no secret he has to be transported to matches in a pallet surrounded by yards of bubble wrap - not to molly-coddle the Cork footballer himself but to protect the public from his deadly frame.
Noel O'Leary is so intimidating that he once cut the long grass in Pairc Úi Rinn by roaring at it from the sideline. Like the turf at Flower Lodge we expect the red hands of Ulster to wilt just as easily under the red feet of Cork's skilful footballers.
Anthony Lynch is so quick and awesome that few forwards can ever find a way around him. In fact most Kerrymen find it easier to get through Macroom's traffic than find a route around the 'Ballyvourney Barricade'.
So the mind boggles as to how Cork are supposed to be in fear of Tyrone when such beastly super humans await Michey Harte's squad.
Of course we, in Cork, respect the Ulstermen and their minor achievements but it's a sort of respect that may only extend to offering a hand to carry the wounded from the pitch when the likes of Miskella, Canty and Kerrigan explode into action.
For those getting carried away with Tyrone's greatness remember that Cork have won Sam Maguire twice as many times as Tyrone. And football is their trump card - we don't need to tell you about Tyrone's hurling accolades because it would fit between the last letter in this sentence and the full stop.
Nobody's saying we haven't been to Croke Park before and had our hopes rained on but this team have been looking more and more like champions all season so we're backing the Rebels this Sunday to win by a significant margin and send the co-architects of Ulster's "puke-football" back to their drawing boards.
Christ that is truly awful journalism.
QuoteFor those getting carried away with Tyrone's greatness remember that Cork have won Sam Maguire twice as many times as Tyrone. And football is their trump card - we don't need to tell you about Tyrone's hurling accolades because it would fit between the last letter in this sentence and the full stop.
Well jaysus that beats Banagher, Cork slagging Tyrone for their hurling accolades? After their carry on this year they need to take a good look at themselves before they start pontificating about their contribution to hurling since the damage they have caused to hurling this year alone on a countrywide scale will take years to be rectified.
Quote from: botman on August 19, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
Christ that is truly awful journalism.
I can understand now how they could shoot the wrong Michael Collins.
Have we many Cork posters on the board or are they too important to be reading such things.
They certainly seem to have a law onto themselves and with their Republic of Cork & the True capital attitude I think most people are happy to let them be in love with themselves.
Anyone else bring red & white SIPTU placards with them on Sunday.
I'm surprised they've named their team so early.
Is it another sign of we dont care what you think we're doing our own thing?
Here you go Fuzz, from today's Irish News:
Justin ready to stand tall
By Paddy Heaney
ANYONE who ventured into the rooms shared by Justin McMahon and Pearse O'Neill during last year's International Rules tour would probably have seen two sets of feet poking out from their single beds.
McMahon is six foot three. O'Neill is three inches taller.
"Pearse is a big lad," said McMahon of the player with whom he shared a room in Perth, Melbourne and Sydney last year.
The Tyrone and Cork men got on well with each other. "I suppose when you are away for that long, and you are in the same room for three weeks, you get to know each other all right. We know the Cork boys are quality. On that trip, there was Pearse, Graham [Canty] and John [Miskella]. We had good craic with them," said McMahon.
McMahon's former room-mate O'Neill is just one of the many six-footers in Conor Counihan's team of giants. "They are very big side," said McMahon of the Rebel starting line-up that includes Nicholas Murphy (6'5"), Alan O'Connor (6'5") and Graham Canty (6'2"). Throw O'Neill (6'6") into the mix and that's a quartet of Cork players in the midfield sector with an average height of 6'4".
Yet, it's not the aerial advantage of this Cork side that seems to impress McMahon the most. "They have big men around the middle, but they are great runners and great footballers," he said. "We will just have to be prepared to go to battle in terms of trying to get the ball. There will be times when I suppose it will be tough in that sector, but we are just going to have to go in, scrap away, and try and get our hands on it."
Speculation will now centre on whether Mickey Harte will change the formation of his team in order to address the formidable height of the Munster champions. The Tyrone manager has previous form in this regard.
For last year's All-Ireland final, Harte acknowledged the threat of Kerry's twin towers (Kieran Donaghy and Tommy Walsh), by bringing Joe McMahon out of the forwards and partnering him with his brother Justin in the full-back line. For Sunday's game, it would make more sense for Justin to switch. His tall frame would be an asset at centre half-back, and the huge point he kicked against Kildare, underlines the threat he poses on the counter-attack. But McMahon clearly wasn't sure of the plans his manager has in store for him. "It's hard to know if we will be changed for the sake of their size," he said.
And pointing to the presence of Kevin Hughes (6'1"), Sean Cavanagh (6'2"), Enda McGinley (6'1") and his brother Joe (6'2"), he noted that his presence mightn't be required. "We have a few big men ourselves around that area," he said.
And it's not just the physical dimensions of this Cork side which are a concern for Tyrone ahead of Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final. The lack of previous meetings also presents new challenges. For most of their other games, the Tyrone management team have been able to devise tactics that are based on knowledge gleaned from prior encounters. But this just isn't possible with Cork. The sides have only met once in the Championship, and that was back in 1973 when McMahon's father, Paddy, was on the Tyrone squad beaten by Cork in that year's All-Ireland semi-final.
Cork's residence in Division Two has also meant that the teams haven't met in the League since
February 2007. On that occasion, Billy Morgan's side coasted to an easy 0-15 to 0-7 victory. Much has changed since that encounter in Pairc Ui Rinn. Only six players (Michael Shields, Noel O'Leary, Anthony Lynch, Alan O'Connor, Donncha O'Connor and Daniel Goulding) who featured in that League game are likely to play for Cork on Sunday.
Interestingly, Tyrone have experienced a similar overhaul in personnel. Dermot Carlin, Cormac McGinley (retired), Mickey McGee, Ger Cavlan (retired), Raymond Mulgrew, Colm Cavanagh, Colm McCullagh and Ryan Mellon all started that game but none of the six remaining panellists are likely to line-out on Sunday.
This leaves both managers in a similar position. While Conor Counihan has no direct experience of the intensity and intelligence of Tyrone's total football, Mickey Harte has no idea how his players will cope with Cork's aerial power, and their influx of new talents such as Paul Kerrigan, Patrick Kelly and Colm O'Neill. And it's not just the managers who must prepare for the unknown. McMahon noted that the same applies to the players.
"When you are going in against the likes of Derry, Armagh and Kerry, you are marking players that you might have marked in the League. You are going in with past experience and you know what to expect. But this is completely different. Up front, they have a lot of quality, and you don't know who you could be coming up against. They are very versatile. I think that adds a bit more to it. It makes for an interesting encounter," he said.
Of course, McMahon might not be completely ignorant of his direct opponent. If he is moved out to centre half-back, the position he was playing at the end of the All-Ireland quarter-final, then he would be pitted against Pearse O'Neill, his former room-mate, and the man with whom he socialised, trained and played with during last year's tour to Australia.
O'Neill will still be three inches taller, but McMahon may have picked up a few pointers that will help him address that imbalance.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 19, 2009, 10:06:48 AM
Have we many Cork posters on the board or are they too important to be reading such things.
They certainly seem to have a law onto themselves and with their Republic of Cork & the True capital attitude I think most people are happy to let them be in love with themselves.
Anyone else bring red & white SIPTU placards with them on Sunday.
I'm surprised they've named their team so early.
Is it another sign of we dont care what you think we're doing our own thing?
Although Cork folk don't lack confidence, especially in matters GAA, they are a great bunch of people. I lived there for many years and I couldn't say enough good things about them, they are also very level headed about this game and while they feel they have a good chance (which they do IMO) they don't regard themselves as favourites. And Fuzzman you are reading way too much into them naming their team early, if it is "another sign of we don't care what you think we're doing our own thing" then they are dead right, why should any team be worried about what anyone else thinks?
A strong Cork football team is always good for the game and we all badly need someone other than Tyrone or Kerry to realistically challenge for Sam. So enjoy it boys a bit of brashness never hurt any sport.
Ah believe me Zulu I love a bit of brashness.
Sure its what creates the craic before matches.
I love going into the pubs before games and meeting fans from the other side as that's where the craic is.
I think both sets of fans get on well as we share our love & admiration for the Kingdom
Quote from: Zulu on August 19, 2009, 10:54:59 AM
Although Cork folk don't lack confidence, especially in matters GAA, they are a great bunch of people. I lived there for many years and I couldn't say enough good things about them, they are also very level headed about this game and while they feel they have a good chance (which they do IMO) they don't regard themselves as favourites. And Fuzzman you are reading way too much into them naming their team early, if it is "another sign of we don't care what you think we're doing our own thing" then they are dead right, why should any team be worried about what anyone else thinks?
A strong Cork football team is always good for the game and we all badly need someone other than Tyrone or Kerry to realistically challenge for Sam. So enjoy it boys a bit of brashness never hurt any sport.
I'd be inclined to agree - considering they always name their team the Tuesday night before the match it would be more noteworthy if they put it off until later in the week.
Anyway http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaa-championships/blood-sweat-and-tears-1863164.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaa-championships/blood-sweat-and-tears-1863164.html)
At the end of Kerry's All-Ireland quarter-final whitewash of Dublin Pat McEnaney sought the hand of the nearest player in his vicinity.
It happened to be Kerry's Paul Galvin. Galvin accepted the handshake from the match referee, turned to walk away and then remembered something.
It was McEnaney who had sent him off in Pairc Ui Chaoimh some weeks earlier as Cork re-routed Kerry to the qualifiers.
So, he checked his stride and turned back to McEnaney to air his view on that incident. Get it off his chest.
Obliteration
Galvin, as he had done since his return from suspension, had shouldered a fair weight in the obliteration of Dublin. Three first-half points, plenty of intelligent runs and assists that kept momentum flowing the one way and has him circling for another All Star.
A 17-point defeat in the bag, Galvin still had the memory of Cork on his mind and suggested to McEnaney that he may have been wrong in his call to send off himself and Noel O'Leary.
The TV cameras didn't pick up the incident and McEnaney had consulted with his officials.
As the third party in the incident, did O'Leary think Galvin had a case revisiting Pairc Ui Chaoimh?
"It's a hard one to know, but that's done with. Pat made his decision and I'm not going to comment on that. It's done. I have no gripes with him.
"I would be more mad with myself than Pat McEnaney to be honest. Time to move on now. There are bigger things to be worried about," he suggests.
Like Tyrone potentially winding him up, bringing out the short side in him? Pairc Ui Chaoimh, he thinks, was a timely check for him.
"I would feel that what happened to me during the year was an eye-opener. I know what is in front of me, I feel I am ready for it. I am under no illusions that there will be certain things there the next day. I'm ready for it now."
Like so many of his ilk, O'Leary's on-field persona masks the man away from it. He's quiet spoken, a stark contrast to the fiery, explosive half-back that successive Cork managers have had such a soft spot for.
Larry Tompkins gave him his break in 2000 as a 19-year-old, fresh from winning an All-Ireland minor title with the likes of James Masters and Kevin McMahon.
Billy Morgan advanced his career a bit further, admiring that whole hearted, aggressive approach that has seen him sail close to the wind so often.
He gives everything. And a bit more. In 2003, he had the distinction of picking up a yellow card in every one of the his seven league matches.
Sometimes he learns the lessons, sometimes he doesn't. But Cork don't contemplate going to war without him.
Early in the 2007 All-Ireland semi-final with Meath, he threw a punch and caught Graham Geraghty below his chin, felling him and giving referee Brian Crowe the option of sending him off on a straight red card.
Crowe consulted with his linesman and opted for yellow. The CCCC suggested to Crowe later that week that he might review his decision, but he didn't, expressing satisfaction with how he dealt with it on the day. Crowe wasn't going to deny O'Leary a first All-Ireland final appearance, even if it came at a substantial cost to his own refereeing career.
He's had past history with Galvin too and when they meet there's never a shortage of red mist.
"There is no doubt you take on a different approach on championship days. You are a bit more geared up than what you would normally be. These things happen. It makes me think a lot about certain things I've done, but in ways it has helped me as well. It's an eye-opener. Hopefully, we'll learn from it too."
Tyrone is new territory for O'Leary and Cork and it has them buzzing. He admires what they do and how they do it. "Tyrone are a good team, they play a different style to a normal footballing team. It's going to be a huge battle, but we feel we're ready for it," he admits.
"They play on the edge and you have to admire them for that. There is no doubt you would scratch your head at a lot of things they do. That's the way they play. You have to aspire to that as well. You can't fault them for that."
The wheels have turned too slowly for O'Leary and this Cork team. There's an injection of youth this year, but there's a bank of experience as well that has done a decade of service.
"We would feel we have put down a tough four or five years, we know each other inside out, it's a matter of believing in ourselves like Tyrone are doing, it's a matter of producing it now.
"Lads can't forget the past, we know what was gone before us. This is now. I don't know could you say is it a step up, it's a step along the way."
Did he think, nine years on that he'd still be waiting for a first All-Ireland senior medal?
"If you are being straight about it, I suppose no.
"You always think you would get a smooth ride after achieving something at a young age. We didn't think it would take as long, but, hopefully, we can put an end to that. But we have a big step in front of us first."
- Colm Keys
Thanks Lads for posting up all the articles.
O'Neill in top form for Tyrone
Wednesday, 19 August 2009
Stephen O'Neill's stunning return to form couldn't have been better timed.
For most of the summer he appeared a mere mortal, apart from his superbly taken goal against Armagh in the opening round of the Ulster championship.
But then cometh the hour, cometh the man. When Tyrone's All Ireland crown appeared in imminent danger against Kildare he stepped up to the mark with some aplomb.
It was vintage O'Neill.
First out to the ball, dictating the play and picking off points with either foot.
It's no exaggeration to suggest that without him that afternoon Tyrone would have returned back home as former champions.
Like so many of his colleagues, the Clan na Gael clubman came through Tyrone's highly successful under age structures.
In 2000 and 2001 he captured two Ulster and All Ireland under 21 medals to add to to his Ulster championship honours of 1997 and 1998 as well as his All Ireland minor success of 1998.
O'Neill announced his retirement from county football in January 2008, but then made himself available for the All Ireland final of the same year.
Tyrone captured their third All Ireland that same summer, but O'Neill refused to accept the medal citing the fact that he felt he hadn't earned it, not having been part of the team on the journey to the All Ireland decider.
That noble gesture alone speaks volumes for one of the most gifted players in the game.
Footballer of the Year in 2005, he has the knack of producing his best on the hallowed turf of Croke Park as he proved so conclusively against Kildare with seven points.
Early in the year he offered a hint of what was to come when scoring eight points against Dublin under the Croke Park lights.
He's the first to admit that his display against Kildare came as a welcome relief. "I had a couple of quiet matches in the championship when I didn't manage a single score, but even on days like that you still have to work hard for the team and hope that eventually things will go right.
"I was pleased then when things fell into place against Kildare. I got a few chances and was relieved when I put them away.
"Against Kildare it was a different type of game to previous ones in that there was more space inside and that made all the difference. But I would imagine there won't be as much space against Cork," he added.
Cork's Anthony Lynch, one of the best man markers in the game, is expected to line out against Tyrone.
Don't be surprised if he's given the task of curbing Tyrone's greatest attacking threat.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/orsquoneill-in-top-form-for-tyrone-14457241.html#ixzz0OcnyuEd9
Tyrone is new territory for O'Leary and Cork and it has them buzzing. He admires what they do and how they do it. "Tyrone are a good team, they play a different style to a normal footballing team. It's going to be a huge battle, but we feel we're ready for it," he admits.
"They play on the edge and you have to admire them for that. There is no doubt you would scratch your head at a lot of things they do. That's the way they play. You have to aspire to that as well. You can't fault them for that."
Something tells me he isn't a fan.
Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2009, 12:44:15 PM
Something tells me he isn't a fan.
And something tells me he'll be even less of one come 5 o'clock on Sunday ;)
What exactly does he mean by that?
Playing on the edge .....
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 19, 2009, 01:46:42 PM
What exactly does he mean by that?
Playing on the edge .....
I think he means that our lads don't get habitual yellow and red cards like himself. He must hold some manner of record for consecutive yellows?
Conor Counihan names "dummy teams " a lot of the time. So you will not know til Sunday if this is the team or not. Would not put it past him to put Cussen in at midfield or stick Cadogan in somewhere. Even mins before the Limerick match he would not tell TV3 that Lynch and Miskella were not playing.
Harte is well capable of the same aul craic. Look at last years AI final.
Is there a rule or do you get a fine if you change the team before throw in?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2009, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 19, 2009, 01:46:42 PM
What exactly does he mean by that?
Playing on the edge .....
I think he means that our lads don't get habitual yellow and red cards like himself. He must hold some manner of record for consecutive yellows?
O'Leary has had a particularly tragic life but he has shown great resolve not to let it break him. He lets his enthusiasm get the better of him on occasion but he wears his heart on his sleeve and football needs characters like him.
Fished out an excellent article with him from the Tribune a few years ago:
FOR a moment Noel O'Leary was sure he'd got away with it. It was down in Tralee on a shitty wet Saturday night, Kerry had just beaten them, and towards the end he'd snapped. The Kerry boys had been winding him up all night and then Tomas O Se kicked the ball at him and O'Leary had gone and eyeballed him, lashed out, and picked up his second yellow card for his troubles. As he was walking into the dressing room tunnel, Billy Morgan tapped him on the back and halfgrinned, "Well done, Noel!" At that, inwardly, O'Leary smiled too. Someone understood. If anyone could, it was Billy. The sight of that green and gold jersey, the passion, the fury; sure he knew all about it himself.
And then? Well then when they were inside, Morgan closed the door and proceeded to give his wing back, as O'Leary so eloquently puts it, "an unmerciful fecking". In front of everyone. He shakes his head and grimaces bashfully at the memory, thought and accusation. Too fiery and volatile . . .
even by Morgan standards. "But he was dead right too, " says O'Leary. "I was a bit mad that night. A rush of blood to the head."
Admit it. It's how you know him, perceive him. There mightn't be a better attacking wing-back left in this year's championship or anyone on the Cork team more adept at playing that ball into Michael Cussen, but to you, he's that serial yellow-carder who keeps getting into scrapes. He'll probably take up Geraghty today and, well, it's hard to see both of them lasting the distance. But, as Dan might say, if you don't know him, don't judge him.
He's from a place called Cill na Martra, the second smallest parish in the biggest county in Ireland, a few miles outside Macroom, off the road to Ballyvourney, but as a kid he developed a passion for west Cork football and west Cork footballers more than 50 miles down the road. There was Castlehaven and Tompkins and Cahalane. And even though they were junior, there was Urhan and Ciaran O'Sullivan too. He remembers going with his father Donal as a 12-year-old to see them play Midleton in a county junior championship replay in 1992 in Ballingeary.
"I'll never forget it. The first day Ciaran was awesome. The second day he was having a brilliant game again when one of the Midleton lads turned round and made shit of his nose. Ciaran was down for three or four minutes, blood pissing out of his nose.
Next thing, he gets up, the ball comes in and Ciaran grabs it underneath his own goalpost, goes straight up the centre of the field and shoes the ball straight on the '45 and splits the posts.
My father turns round to me and says, 'That man will be playing for Cork next year.'" And at that, his son vowed that's how he'd play for Cork too. Like Cahalane, like Ciaran. Blood and bandages, boy.
And that's how he played for them as a minor. With passion. Raw passion at times but passion, and when the Cork senior hurlers were presented with their 2000 Munster medals the same night as O'Leary and his colleagues were presented with their All-Ireland minor football medals, Diarmuid O'Sullivan, a two-time All Star even then, made a point of going over to O'Leary to tell him how much he loved the way he played the game.
A year later they were teammates winning an All-Ireland junior medal together, and a year later, on the senior panel, winning a Munster football championship together. O'Leary had to wait until he was 21 to break onto the starting 15 though. When he did, he did with intent.
"I thought, 'Feck it, a tougher attitude to this setup would be no harm at all. We'll try not to take any prisoners if we can.' I suppose I went a bit bald-headed into it though. Did a lot of stupid things."
Whatever about doing anything stupid, O'Leary managed to do something unique in that 2003 league campaign, picking up a yellow card in each of Cork's seven league games, and just for good measure, picking up two in the last game against Tyrone. But over the years he'd like to think he's tempered down that temper.
He's no longer the wild buck of 2003, though, he'll admit, some sort of red mist does seem to descend upon him when he encounters that green and gold.
And on days like that, he's reminded it's only a game, that there's more to life. And he'll agree. Yeah, it's a game, there's more to life, but what you must understand it's that game which has helped him get through the life he's had.
The first to go was Mark. They were cousins but more like twins; the same age, the same humour who'd "more or less lived with each other; him living up in our place or me down in theirs". Then, in January of '99, Mark and his girlfriend broke up and all of a sudden he was dead. Suicide.
"It was an awful shock at the time. Because nothing like that had ever happened to us before. But that was my first year with the Cork minors and the football was a great thing to have. It gave me something to turn back to."
O'Leary and Cork would win that year's Munster final, inspired by a magical display from another dynamic wing back called Tom Kenny, but a few weeks before the following year's Munster final, tragedy struck again.
This time it was Benny, his best friend.
"Benny, " he smiles, "Benny was a gas man. Strange, he had no interest in football but we had a bit of an old business going there. We bought a quad-bike between us, spraying weeds and spreading manure on farms for farmers. A couple of weeks before we played Kerry, there were about 13 or 14 of us out the back at home. Benny was spinning around on the bike. And feck it, it was a case of the two of us getting too used to that bike; we'd wear no helmets or anything like that, you know. And sure, whatever way he went across this little slope in the field, didn't the bike turn and fall on top of him.
"At the start we were saying to ourselves, 'This man is going to hop up now any second', because he was a bit of a joker, like. But we went over, and Jesus, when we looked at him he had gone blue in the face. Myself and my brother Ciaran tried to clear his mouth but it was no good." By the time the ambulance had hit Macroom, Benny was gone.
Again football offered some measure of solace and that summer Cork went on to claim Munster and then the All Ireland. O'Leary's eyes light up at the memory of it and old teammates. Some of them you've heard of: Masters and McMahon, the latter of whom will play with him in Croke Park today; Conrad Murphy, who was the best of the lot of them; Kieran 'Hero' Murphy from Erins Own. But then there were others who you mightn't have heard of. Paul Deane, Dinny O'Hare; "maybe not the most skilful but hard men and great lads as well." Only in the last year or two with the seniors, has he experienced a team chemistry and bond like the boys of that summer enjoyed. It was the time of their lives and should have been the year of their lives, but before 2000 was out it had been the worst of O'Leary's.
He'll never forget the game that was on the box that day: Glenflesk and Nemo in the Munster club final, and himself and the father watching Moynihan and Johnny Crowley trying to win it nearly on their own. But as the day and game went on, his mother was becoming increasingly anxious. Ciaran, Noel's 17-year-old brother, had yet to come home. There was no word from him or of him. Noel and his younger brother, Donal Og, told her to relax, reminding her that it wouldn't be the first time he'd have stayed over at a friend's. After the game was over though, there was still no word. They'd phoned Ciaran's girlfriend who he'd visited the previous night and she'd said he'd gone home.
"The father was saying then, 'God, maybe he was drunk coming home and fell somewhere. Donal Og, go into the shed and get our wellingtons and we'll go to the fields and look for him.'" Donal Og went into the shed only to find Ciaran already there. Same story as Mark. Seventeen. Just finished with the girlfriend. Gone.
"Definitely what happened to Benny was a big part of it. Ciaran was there when it happened and he used to get upset about it. He'd always be on about it at home. But in saying that, you wouldn't have taken much notice of it. I mean, it was natural enough he was upset about it.
"I think it was a pure spur-of-themoment thing. It and drink. In most of these cases that's what it is; a spur-ofthe-moment decision brought on by the drink. Looking back, Ciaran wouldn't have been the best to take drink. He was only 17, a bit of a wild lad but a good lad, but you could see that he used to get upset after drink."
That's why he'd tell anyone: know the people who don't react well to it.
Be there to tell them the one that's one too many, especially when that one might be the first. Be there to say hang on, everybody hurts, but it passes. It's maybe not the normal message or cause advocated by a GAA player, but O'Leary feels strongly about this.
So do his younger brothers, who hardly drink at all.
"A lot of people mightn't like talking about this, shy away from talking about it, but it's happening every day in other homes. People might learn from it. I have no problem talking whatsoever about it. Or Benny or Mark. It was an unbelievable run for us at the time, but it happened. It's a big part of who I am."
There's little O'Leary isn't upfront about. At times he might sound all bashful like Paidi O Se just like he plays like a young Paidi O Se but the 'Yerrah' response is not for him. There is a refreshing honesty as well as affability about him. In the tree surgery business he set up a few years ago, beating around the bush is kept to a minimum. It's the same in conversation. He cuts through the bullshit.
I'm not sure but I'd doubt either team will play as selected, if I were Counihan I think I'd throw Tyrone a curve ball as I'm sure they'll look to stifle Cork's main players. Cussen in on the edge of the square and O'Connor out to the wing, Kerrigan in center forward and O'Neill out to midfield is something I'd consider seriously (Murphy would get the chop).
Cork's defence to blunt Tyrone in classic
Wednesday August 19 2009
SUNDAY will see the biggest game of the year in the football championship.
It may not record the biggest attendance as Cork are notorious bad travellers at the penultimate stage but Tyrone will arrive down in big numbers to witness the latest challenge to their dominance.
The strength, athleticism, mobility and ability that each team possess will ensure one of the great contests. By now we know this Cork team are for real and they will perform in HQ. Getting stage fright is no longer an option for this seasoned squad and so they will bring their 'A-game'. Will it be enough?
That we ask that question speaks volumes for Tyrone. But, as Mickey Harte is fond of saying, Tyrone were champions in 2008 and this season is waiting to crown the new ones, so it's a new ball game where having the cup at home is really little consolation or advantage.
Tyrone are the standard and if they have yet to fire at full capacity this year, the fear in Cork hearts is they might choose this weekend to do so. They have form in this regard, timing their run to perfection in the past and thus must be respected.
But I still believe Tyrone will end up shy of ultimate honours. Of course they fully realise Kerry (after getting past Meath) will be waiting in the final and the ultimate rubber to decide the 'Team of the Decade' is enticing; but Cork are the coming team and in my opinion the best side left in the series.
I base that around a half-back line that has dominated all-comers to date - Miskella and Canty have been especially powerful and their support play is unnatural. This Sunday, they will be asked to defend a little more but I expect the whole Cork defence will be well up for it. Anthony Lynch has been passed fit to start and if he recaptures his Munster championship form I feel they will hold the Tyrone forwards to a modest score.
Midfield will be a splendid battle - big mobile men with the tanks to get from box to box. Tyrone might nudge this battle - Cavanagh's incisive play can realise real dividends.
And up front, I believe the Cork full-forward line will make hay as they have the strength, willingness and ability to make inroads against a full-back line that has yet to be fully tested.
When the match is being analysed the names of O'Connor, Goulding and O'Neill will feature regularly and their accuracy and nose for both goals and points will be the difference.
For those involved it will be heart-stopping as the scoreline and match will be close and for the neutrals it promises to be a rip-roaring contest. Make sure you get a ticket or box seat for the television - this will be the game of the year.
- Kevin McStay
Thank goodness Mary. Tyrone hate having the favourites tag. Come on Cork!!
Yep, Mc Stay is irrepressibly impeccable when it comes to predicting how Tyrone will do:
Quote from: KevinMcStay date=3rd June 2009
Heading for Ulster is akin to a course in minefield clearance. Every round of the championship makes you stop and wonder just who will emerge? I am going for Derry to win out this year and feel the big losers could be Armagh if they fail to get momentum by defeating Tyrone in the quarter final game.
Kevin is no sage when it comes to this. A couple of weeks back he thought Dublin had the best full forward line in Ireland. We know what Tyrone are all about. The big question mark in this game is over Cork - will they finally deliver in Croke Park and put on a performance when the pressure is on and will their forwards be able to take their chances when the pressure is cranked up?
Whatever happens ... I can't see Packie hoofing many big kickouts into the midfield area, I'd say there'll be plenty of building from the back
Have to say I have that warm feeling that I last experienced before the Dubs game last year.....fully expecting a comfortable victory...6+ points.
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O'Leary has had a particularly tragic life but he has shown great resolve not to let it break him.
Jeeze he has, very sad.
Plane home tonight, few days immersing myself in cockiness back in Cork, maybe I won't feel as jittery as I do now come Sunday. It's always the way though when you haven't won an AI in a while, you keep thinking you're fecked the next time out but sometimes...sometimes the team keeps rolling on. Here's hoping.
Whatever happens on the pitch though, I'm looking forward to the sea of red and white in Croker, no finer colours, and no green and yella to pollute it this week! ;)
Hi all,
first time Cork poster, just gathering the general consensus on the game from up the Country. Can't wait for the match on Sunday, hoping for a cracker, no doubt we'll be up against it as Tyrone are a fantastic side, quality footballers all over the pitch. Great interest in the game down here for the past few weeks, team selection is not surprising and despite what some say that is the team that should/will start on Sunday in my opinion. Main concern for me is midfield, need to get two huge performances out of Murphy and O'Connor if we are to make some head way and get early fast ball into O'Neill, O'Connor and Goulding.
I reckon that's the team that will start too Ogie (and welcome aboard by the way) but if I was Counihan I would do something different just to knock Tyrone off balance. Harte will have dissected Cork's game plan and will have come up with something to nullify it, by changing it around Counihan could get the jump on Tyrone. It isn't like he doesn't have the options on the bench or players on the team who haven't disappointed, for example Donnacha O'Connor has been poor enough and Murphy doesn't perform well in physical confrontations so I'd look at both of them. The Cork half back line has been the springboard for many of Cork's attacks and they have thus far run at opposing defences and scored but if Counihan put Cussen in FF and put the ball in long and often Tyrone may be caught out a bit and although McMahon is big and did well last year on Donaghy it doesn't mean he would snuff out Cussen this year. In other words it might be worth a go, if it doesn't work out you can always go back to what you've done up to now and if it does work, even for a while, it might get you the few extra scores needed.
I am surprised to see so many people questioning Cork's midfield.
I haven't watch a whole match with Cork this year but I thought Murphy was a great ball winner.
I hope we see Cavanagh gettting back into his groove and running through the middle.
I notice he's more willing to lay it off this year that to go himself but he still always seems to get that fisted point when bursting through on goal.
I'd also like to see Mugsy get his annual Croke park goal or two as he looked in form the last day.
I'd hope Tyrone will come flying out of the blocks and knock the stuffing out of Cork in the first 15 mins as I'd be worried if Cork build up a head of steam we could find it harder to pull it back than against Kildare.
I expect McGinley to be the only change for Tommy with Sean going to CHF or into the corner with Penrose to CHF.
Come Sunday though there could be a lot more changes.
T is certainly no coincidence that the reigning All-Ireland champions in both football and hurling remain firmly on course to retain their titles. Tyrone and Kilkenny share certain characteristics that tend to set them apart -- fierce single-mindedness, an almost masochistic intensity in training and ongoing inner belief that manifests itself in their application and technique.
Kilkenny's dominance has not diluted their hunger nor their commitment in the slightest. And it's well known that Tyrone boss Mickey Harte earnestly covets back-to-back All-Ireland titles which, if obtained next month, would mean that 'Sam' will have found a home in the O'Neill County four times since 2003.
Yet while the Cats now await the chance to renew their rivalry with Tipperary in their All-Ireland final on September 6, Tyrone find themselves preparing to meet a Cork side still nursing the psychological scars incurred in recent championship campaigns which brought only heartbreak.
humiliating
They have tended to play second fiddle to Kerry and suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Kingdom in the All-Ireland final two years ago. Now they must square up to a Tyrone side that have only fleetingly engaged top gear in their championship journey to date.
But it's the very level of hurt which Cork harbour that could ultimately prove their biggest spur against the Red Hands. The Leesiders' pride may have taken a buffeting of late -- it's worth remembering that it's 19 years since they last had the Sam Maguire Cup -- and now their desire to erase the heartache is such that even Tyrone's formidable record in major championship matches at Croke Park is not viewed as a major deterrent to their ambitions.
Like Tipperary, they are utterly focused on cocking a snook at the status quo and believe they have the resources to go all the way.
Whether they have or not will be discovered on Sunday. But, just like Kilkenny boss Brian Cody, Tyrone supremo Harte never leaves anything to chance. It can be safely assumed that he will have dissected every aspect of Cork's play and planned his strategy accordingly.
Indeed, there is a danger that Sunday's semi-final could perhaps become suffocated by tactics. Tyrone have, with every justification, acquired a reputation for coming up with the answers to any ploys, strategic or otherwise, in which their opponents might indulge. They are rarely out-thought and seldom out-manoeuvred, yet Cork's fitness, cohesion, mobility and renewed confidence will ensure that the Ulster champions are fully tested.
If Cork galloped down easy street against Donegal, then Tyrone dug deep against Kildare in a match that lent further credence to the theory that players such as Philip Jordan and PJ Quinn in defence and possibly Tommy McGuigan and Martin Penrose in attack will need to bring rather more to the table if that passport into the All-Ireland final is to be procured.
While Cork were at their lively best against John Joe Doherty's side, they will most certainly not canter through the middle of the Tyrone defence -- not with the imperious Conor Gormley and the burgeoning Justin McMahon erecting a central barrier.
Cork's route to progress may lie on the flanks where the pace and penetration of Paul Kerrigan and Donncha O'Connor could, at the very least, elicit frees from the Ulster champions that the latter could translate into points.
The Munster champions have in Nicholas Murphy and Alan O'Connor the best midfield pairing in the country but that will not deflect Tyrone from their drive to snaffle enough second-phase 'dirty' ball with which to feed their hungry attack in general and Owen Mulligan and Stephen O'Neill in particular.
These are both big-occasion players -- comparable to Kilkenny's Henry Shefflin and Eddie Brennan -- and they are no strangers to the white heat of an All-Ireland semi-final. The more the pressure is on, the more they appear to thrive and don't be too surprised if Mulligan finds the net at some stage on Sunday.
Even if he doesn't and O'Neill has his shooting boots with him, I would expect Tyrone to prove just that little bit too cute for a Cork team that will put their bodies on the line, literally and metaphorically, to get into the All-Ireland final.
- Joe Kernan Irish Indo
Fuzzman I'd say a lot of Cork people woulddn't have either midfielder starting and O'Connor is definitely questioned by many. I think Murphy is a fine ball winner but he just isn't able to handle the type of physicality that Tyrone or Dara O'Se (for example) bring. O'Neill on the otherhand thrives on it and I'd bring him out there. Other than Tyrone or Kerry I'd start Murphy but against those two I'd have serious question marks over him and I'd have Fintan Goold starting there either way.
Lower Cusack and Lower Hogan tickets now available as family section. There must be a poor run on ticket sales.
Can anyone else see Brian McGuigan starting on Sunday, or is more suited as an impact sub to steady the team?
Big Joe disagrees with you Zulu as thinks they're the best MF in the country.
I haven't saw enough of them to comment this year.
Snout could start but more likely see him for final 20 mins if we're winning or half time if we're losing.
I hope Dooher has a better game this time. He seems to have got a little careless with his passing and giving away possession to easily. Still he can stand up and be counted and take his score when given the chance. His game has certainly changed.
I can see Cork targeted Jordan, Davey & PJ should he start.
I wonder who Mickey will see as the weak links in the Cork defence.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 20, 2009, 10:24:33 AM
Big Joe disagrees with you Zulu as thinks they're the best MF in the country.
I haven't saw enough of them to comment this year.
Snout could start but more likely see him for final 20 mins if we're winning or half time if we're losing.
I hope Dooher has a better game this time. He seems to have got a little careless with his passing and giving away possession to easily. Still he can stand up and be counted and take his score when given the chance. His game has certainly changed.
I can see Cork targeted Jordan, Davey & PJ should he start.
I wonder who Mickey will see as the weak links in the Cork defence.
The biggest strength in the Cork team is also their biggest weakness. The propensity of the Cork halfbacks to attack all the time leaves their full back line wide open. You can't do that in Croke Park.
I can't see Cork winning on Sunday. I really can't. I think Cork will win the big one sooner rather than later. As good as the likes of young O Neill are this is a different ball game.
People give out about the Cork half forward line - I don't. My idea of wing forwards in the modern game are good athletes, ability to win breaks and link the play and kick a point or two most games . Wing forwards are never going to score 1-5 against a good side. The likes of Kerrigan and O Neill are exactly what the modern game demands. You still see the likes of Galway and Dublin arseing around with lovely skillful footballers in the half forward line- thats no use in the modern game. Dooher doesn't rack up huge scores but he's at the hub of everything Tyrone do.
I think Cork half forwards will do fine- its the half backs I worry about. Cork must not get drawn into an open on Sunday. If they do -they will lose.
QuoteBig Joe disagrees with you Zulu as thinks they're the best MF in the country.
While these things are a matter of opinion and you can make an argument for the quality of the Cork midfield, they are no way near the best in the country and if I didn't know who the author was I'd say he hasn't a clue. The Kerry, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan, Derry and Tyrone all have better midfields probably one or two more.
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 11:13:11 AM
QuoteBig Joe disagrees with you Zulu as thinks they're the best MF in the country.
While these things are a matter of opinion and you can make an argument for the quality of the Cork midfield, they are no way near the best in the country and if I didn't know who the author was I'd say he hasn't a clue. The Kerry, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan, Derry and Tyrone all have better midfields probably one or two more.
I doubt it Zulu based on the game I've watched. Cork destroyed the Kerry midfield. Think O Connor and Murphy are unfairly maligned at times. Earley is the best midfielder in Ireland and John Galvin would have about 4 allstars if he was playing with a top county. I don't think Cork will play against a better midfield than the Limerick one this year. No disgrace that day. The biggest problem Cork had against Limerick is that Limerick didn't let them play.
QuoteCork destroyed the Kerry midfield.
An underperforming midfield with an unfit Dara O'Se, sure Quirke started the first day.
QuoteThe biggest problem Cork had against Limerick is that Limerick didn't let them play.
That's too simplistic, Limerick played their own game also and should have won but Cork were missing O'Leary, Miskella and Lynch which are all very important players, two of whom are in the half back line.
Lower Hogan, 329, lower part. Any protectors available in the vicinity this Sunday?
Quote from: Rois on August 20, 2009, 11:39:11 AM
Lower Hogan, 329, lower part. Any protectors available in the vicinity this Sunday?
I'm in the Lower Cusack. Send up a flare and I'll come racing across the pitch to you!
Ya wee rooster ye Ziggy. :D
Quote from: ziggysego on August 20, 2009, 10:14:21 AM
Can anyone else see Brian McGuigan starting on Sunday, or is more suited as an impact sub to steady the team?
It is possible he could start but I think he will be kept in reserve. He gives the team a massive lift when he comes on and is such an outlet for the other players as they have have great faith in giving him the ball.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 20, 2009, 10:24:33 AM
I hope Dooher has a better game this time. He seems to have got a little careless with his passing and giving away possession to easily. Still he can stand up and be counted and take his score when given the chance. His game has certainly changed.
I can see Cork targeted Jordan, Davey & PJ should he start.
I wonder who Mickey will see as the weak links in the Cork defence.
Dooher won a mountain of ball against Kildare and for a man who missed so much of the year covered some ground and put in so many tackles. His passing may have been off at times but thats probably more to do with how little football he has played. At the start of the game when Kildare were threatening to build a lead he went and demanded the ball from a kickout and ended up getting Tyrone's opening point, that sums him up. I wouldnt be overly concerned about him, he usually delivers when its needed.
Cork could try and target the 3 lads you have highlighted but on the other hand Tyrone will be doing the same to Cork.
This is some challenge boyz and girl, the stomachs already in knots.
Quote from: loughshore lad on August 20, 2009, 11:52:23 AM
Cork could try and target the 3 lads you have highlighted but on the other hand Tyrone will be doing the same to Cork.
Armagh targetted key men in the first round of the Ulster Championship, others stepped up. Cork should play to their own strenghts first, as that is what troubles Tyrone the most. Not that I'm suggesting Cork should ;)
Do ye reckon PJ will survive or will Mickey give him another chance?
I'd say if Mickey thought that Sean O'Neill was better than him he would have been ruthless and made the change by now.
This time last year we were all singing McCullaghs praises. No sign of him this year at all. Mustn't be cutting it at training but then again suppose SON, Penrose and Mugsy have tied down those positions well this year and we have a left footed free taker in SON.
Bought 2 tickets yesterday from the office in Dorset St & the young lad said that only the Upper Cusack is open so far but they've only sold about a thousand of those. With the weather not looking good for the weekend you could see a lot of people waiting until the day to decide.
I'd say alot of people will get tickets on the day, especially those living in or around Dublin so unless the weather is very bad I'd expect a very big crowd. Cork are coming in big numbers by all accounts anyway.
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
I reckon that's the team that will start too Ogie (and welcome aboard by the way) but if I was Counihan I would do something different just to knock Tyrone off balance. Harte will have dissected Cork's game plan and will have come up with something to nullify it, by changing it around Counihan could get the jump on Tyrone. It isn't like he doesn't have the options on the bench or players on the team who haven't disappointed, for example Donnacha O'Connor has been poor enough and Murphy doesn't perform well in physical confrontations so I'd look at both of them. The Cork half back line has been the springboard for many of Cork's attacks and they have thus far run at opposing defences and scored but if Counihan put Cussen in FF and put the ball in long and often Tyrone may be caught out a bit and although McMahon is big and did well last year on Donaghy it doesn't mean he would snuff out Cussen this year. In other words it might be worth a go, if it doesn't work out you can always go back to what you've done up to now and if it does work, even for a while, it might get you the few extra scores needed.
We've plenty options on the bench, and better options than Cussen to put in full forward. I think Counihan and his selectors have come to realise that Cussen just isn't a full forward (although he's the potential answer to our hurling prayers in this position), and he operates better around midfield. You'll certainly see him and Fintan Goold introduced, probably at midfield with ten minutes or so remaining to freshen it up.
It's easy to be critical of our midfield, but they've done well and will run themselves into the ground, O'Connors work ethic especially is crucial.
In fairness to Counihan, he has used his options well this year, form players are playing, those out of form are not, hasn't always been the case with us.
I've noticed Dooher demand the ball for sidelines and frees lately. He is the captain and is showing leadership. However, I think Joe McMahon's distribution is much more consistent. Dooher's sideline into O'Neil for the Cavanagh goal in the Ulster final was sublime, but you need to be hitting your men every time. I'd like to see big Joe take these dead balls. I agree with Fuzzman. Only one change, Enda in for Tommy.
QuoteWe've plenty options on the bench, and better options than Cussen to put in full forward. I think Counihan and his selectors have come to realise that Cussen just isn't a full forward
I wouldn't entirely agree there Ogie, I think Lynch is a great option for FF but he, Hayes or Masters don't offer a vastly different challenge than O'Neill, O'Connor or Goulding. And while Cussen hasn't done brilliantly at FF outside of the second half of the Munster final last year, it has often been as much to do with poor service and Counihan switching him between FF and midfield as his own failings. The point I'm making is that Tyrone will have Cork figured out and therefore may nullify those strengths by putting certain defenders on certain forwards and stopping the half backs from carrying the ball. Cussen at full forward, O'Connor at wing forward, Kerrigan in center forward and O'Neill at midfield could destroy Tyrones pre-game plans/match ups. In addition Tyrone's defence has struggled with long high ball before so it could yeild success. I suppose the real point I was making wasn't that Cussen is the way to go but that Cork should throw something unexpected in, IMO Cussen at FF is one that could really work but I'd certainly change something because you can't give MH 3 weeks to review your games and expect it to be alright on the day.
"I wouldn't entirely agree there Ogie, I think Lynch is a great option for FF "
Now playing Anthony Lynch at full forward would definitely confuse MH!!
I presume you are going for the defend from the front approach :D
Fiachra Lynch Timmy my boy not Anthony.
Fiachra is injured and not available I believe :-(
Cmon Tyrone yer on yer own.
This is the first game this year that dominates your thoughts during the week.
Looking forward to the minors too.
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2009, 01:28:34 PM
This is the first game this year that dominates your thoughts during the week.
I know, I'm on a real buzz about it all week.
Finally got around to watching the Tyrone V Kildare game last night, was at the game but did not watch it since, a couple of thoughts;
Game was played at an incredible pace, work rate of both teams was phenomenal. Although Cork played Kerry twice, I don't believe they have played a team with the same level of intensity as Tyrone. Their speed and the speed at which they move the ball from No.1. thru No. 15 is incredible. It will have to be matched if they are to win.
Tyrone are masters of adjusting, and after a first half where they were cleaned at midfield, (Kevin Hughes is a worry especially in the open field, as numerous Kildare players blew by him and he could not catch them), in the first 20 mins of the second half they did not let Kildare jump for a ball by standing in front of them blocking their runs etc. During this period Sean Cavanagh's fielding was directly responsible for three points.
Cork will most likely win the aerial battle around the middle third, how they use that ball will be key, Kildare were somewhat naive with some of their passing/kicking and turned the ball over numerous times. It may be difficult for Enda McGinley to come into a game of this intensity, if he is not fully fit. As stated earlier Tyrone's back line period is not the strongest under a high ball and most high ball in was either won by Kildare or broken down , even the last play of the game on a different day could have resulted in a goal, i.e. high ball into square.
Tyrone's free taking a concern, missed five very scorable kicks , three different kickers.
One side note, I think Conor Gormley needs to be careful, Referees watch games and some of his mouthing off / intimidating tactics may catch up with him. He has been booked sent off in numerous games this year and I think ref's are not letting him get away with as much as he used to . His cheap shot to Conor Mortimer in the net last year most likely was not missed by all officials. When he was booked for tripping Kildare player 15 mins into second half , he didn't exactly go out of his way to avoid him as he fell.
That aside, I think the respective full back/forward lines will win the game for either team. Anthony Lynch had better be 100%, to even attempt to mark Mulligan/O Neill. Expect high balls to be reigned in on Tyrone's back line. Result of same may dictate outcome. Big concern for Cork is if Tyrone builds a lead, they may not be mentally able to recover.
Slight fancy for Cork, would feel very comfortable backing them + 2pts.
Game could also be a draw.
It has the potential to be a cracker.
The last Cork - Tyrone Championship meeting ( from Today's Irish News )
Are there any sons from the Cork Team that day playing ??
The day Tyrone were thrown to the Cork lions All-Ireland Senior Football Championship
By Eamonn O'Hara
20/08/09
Rebel assault: Pat King says Tyrone weren't mentally ready for the challenge of Cork in the 1973 All-Ireland semi-final. Picture: Ann McManus
'Tyrone were not so much beaten by Cork but by their own dire efforts and general failure to find, with consistency, the form that had brought them to Croke Park...'
So begins a report The Irish News and Belfast Morning News published on Monday, August 20, 1973.
The close-range misses. Chances for simple looking scores hooked, sliced and blazed wide, chances for goals as well as points. The 34-minute spell without raising a flag. The countless ball kicked harmlessly short to 'keeper Billy Morgan.
With eight minutes left Tyrone had mustered one point in each half, Cork 2-7.
Ray Cummins was on his way to becoming only the 10th player in GAA history to win senior All-Ireland medals in football and hurling from the moment he slipped Tyrone's shackles to plant an early goal.
Already a senior hurling winner from 1970, having starred in the first 80-minute Championship decider against Wexford, and an Allstar on both inaugural hurling and football selection in 1971, the full-forward's strike left Tyrone winded.
They never recovered.
Monday's post-mortem in newsprint made tough reading for a group of players who had not lost for 13 months, not since the Ulster final of 1972 against Donegal.
It was a crushing end to an unbeaten run that stretched 16 games and included Ulster SFC, Division Two and Dr McKenna Cup final wins, all remarkably against the same team, Down.
At centre half-forward for Tyrone was Trillick's Pat King. A future senior manager of Fermanagh, he recalled that one of the most vivid memories of that painful experience was not from the match itself, but the conclusion to the minor semi-final.
"I was sitting in the changing room as the Tyrone minors drew with Cork and I could hear the roar of the crowd down the tunnel. The hair was standing on the back of my neck thinking about what I was about to go out into and I just thought to myself 'come on'," he said.
"I know that, for a moment, I was thinking this is like the Christians being sent to face the lions, but I just tried psyching myself up. Nobody in the dressing room collectively prepared us for going out into that.
"Quite a few of the players didn't perform that day. The system for that was not in place, not in the way it is now, to psychologically prepare teams. Whatever football talk there was, in our minds we weren't prepared for it."
The scorcery of Jimmy Barry-Murphy, star graduate of the Rebels' 1972 All-Ireland minor win, guile of Cummins and substitute Seamus Coughlan collaborated for a late flourish of three goals.
Just as Kerry had five put past them, Tyrone were clinically dispatched. King, who scored a consolation goal after 63 minutes, identified the young Barry-Murphy and wily full-forward Cummins as "the two main problems" for their defence to deal with.
Very poor finishing didn't do much to ease the pressure their over-worked backs were put under.
"One thing I remember was how often Billy Morgan, their goalkeeper, had the ball. He always seemed to have it. He was like an outfield player. We always seemed to end up giving ball away to him and Morgan was the start of Cork counter-attacks all the time." he said.
"I was playing in the forwards that day, centre half-forward, but we seemed to find ourselves kicking for scores from a long way out the field all the time.
"Aidan McMahon, who was probably the man-of-the-match in the Ulster final against Down, got injured that day. I think he went into the game with an injured ankle and it did not hold up and I finished up playing at midfield.
"I had been playing on John Coleman, who incidentally is a brother of Billy Coleman, one of the top rally drivers of that era, and finished up playing against Dinny Long, a Kerryman, at midfield and even when I got the ball Sean McElhatton, our full-forward, was about 50 yards from the goals.
"Sean would not have been renowned for speed. He had scored goals against Dan McCartan in the Ulster final by being on the edge of the square but we could never seem to get him in there.
"We were fairly inexperienced, a bit naive, compared to Cork who played in the first division. They were huge in comparison to us and we were lambs to the slaughter that day."
As the report of Monday, August 20, 1973 summed up:
"Tyrone's challenge collapsed at both ends of the ground. Earlier on it was their attack who could not shoot straight, then in the closing stages their over-worked defence crumbled."
An unfortunate blemish on the game was the sight of star forward Billy Field being stretchered off. Field, scorer of 1-6 in the Munster final rout of Kerry and 1-8 in their provincial semi-final win over Clare, suffered two fractures to a shinbone despite the wearing of shinguards.
A first title, though, since 1945 wasn't to be denied. Despite missing the final, Field finished the top marksman of the 1973 Championship with a tally of 2-14.
Tyrone's only All-Ireland SFC game with Cork was a disappointing experience but, as King recalled, that year they were given a finishing lesson that was just as severe as that handed out to Kerry in the Munster final and Galway for the Sam Maguire.
"In the All-Ireland final, only for a few late scores to take the bad look of it, they were near to annihilating Galway as well, so that was a very good Cork side that year."
That game provides a few family links. The McGuigan brothers Brian and Tommy, the McMahon brothers Joe and Justin and Philip Jordan will seek to settle a particular 'old score' when the sons of some famous fathers take to the field.
Almost 40, years ago Frank McGuigan, Paddy McMahon and Mickey Jordan were on the receiving end of one of the toughest defeats of their county careers.
Sunday is pay-back day. Remains to be seen if the sons can deliver it to continue their quest to retain Sam.
CORK 5-10 TYRONE 2-4
Tyrone: Liam Turbett; Joe McElroy, Peter Mulgrew, Barney McAnespie; Gerry Taggart, Mickey Jordan, Mickey Hughes; Frank McGuigan (0-1) (capt.), Aidan McMahon; Seamus Donaghy (0-1), Pat King (1-0), Patsy Hetherington (0-1); Sean McElhatton, Brendan Donnelly, Kevin Teague (0-1).
Subs used: Paddy McMahon for Teague, John Early (1-0) for McElhatton, Tommy Woods for
A McMahon.
Subs not used: Sean McCann, Ollie Nugent, Jackie Duffy, Eamonn Hetherington, Hugh Crawford, Frank Quinn, Phelim Forbes.
Cork: Billy Morgan (capt.); Frank Cogan, Humphrey Kelleher, Brian Murphy; Kevin Jer O'Sullivan, Johnny Coleman, Con Hartnett; Dinny Long, Denis Coughlan; Billy Field, Declan Barron (1-4), Ned Kirby(0-1); Jimmy Barry-Murphy (2-0), Ray Cummins (1-1), Jimmy Barrett (0-1).
Subs used: Teddy O'Brien for Field, Seamus Coughlan (1-1) for Kirby.
Subs not used: Noel Murphy, Robert Wilmot, Dave McCarthy.
Referee: Dr Mick Loftus (Mayo)
Tyrone's cuteness and speed of play will be too much for Cork. They will use short kick-outs and build very fast attacks from the back and win by 4 or 5 points. Really looking foward to this one. 30 men will def not finish the game with one or two going for double yellows.
I fear you could be right about it getting a little rowdy with a few cards being handed out.
Discipline will be the order of the day & I'd say Gormley & Ricey will be well told that by Harte.
From the article about Training I expect this game to be won or lost with turnovers and harsh tackling.
You could see a very dour low scoring game & the most disciplined team winning.
Or you could see the best game of football in 20 years.
I see Mick Loftus, ex president, reffed that game in 1973.
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 11:13:11 AM
QuoteBig Joe disagrees with you Zulu as thinks they're the best MF in the country.
While these things are a matter of opinion and you can make an argument for the quality of the Cork midfield, they are no way near the best in the country and if I didn't know who the author was I'd say he hasn't a clue. The Kerry, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan, Derry and Tyrone all have better midfields probably one or two more.
The Cork midfield dominated that Kildare midfield in the 1/4 final last year. Murphy is one of the best high fielders in the country with O'Connor being more of a work horse. With Cussen and Gould ready to come off the bench in the second half, Tyrone will have their work cut out at midfield.
Cork have to be alive to Tyrone's quick kickouts. At times against ourselves in the 1/4 final, the short kickout was their only source of possesion. If the Cork forwards don't allow McConnell to utilise the short kickout, their midfield should win the aerial battle under the 50/50 ball.
I think this Cork team has been overhyped, they are still essentially the same players that have folded in major Croke Park occasions over the past few years, i don't think it will be any different this time tbh unless they get a blinding start and put Tyrone on the back foot. Other then that they will have to hope that Tyrone take the foot off the gas at some stage - as they have tended to do on occasion this year.
A comfortable win for Tyrone.
QuoteThe Cork midfield dominated that Kildare midfield in the 1/4 final last year.
That was last year DH and Kildare were poor enough in many areas, and although Murphy is good in the air he doesn't like the rough stuff and there'll be plenty of that this Sunday, he simply isn't the man for the job IMO.
QuoteI think this Cork team has been overhyped, they are still essentially the same players that have folded in major Croke Park occasions over the past few years
Eh? Shields, Carey, Miskella, Kelly, Colm O'Neill, Kerrigan and Goulding are all either young men who have developed from previous years, are injury free or back from Australia. This isn't the same Cork team at all and thats before you consider the subs bench.
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 20, 2009, 02:44:30 PM
I think this Cork team has been overhyped, they are still essentially the same players that have folded in major Croke Park occasions over the past few years, i don't think it will be any different this time tbh
Last year we had 3 games in Croke park.
Against Kildare we stormed ahead and had enough of a lead to protect when Kildare made a comeback. Admitedly we didn't react too great to the comeback but made it over the line.
Kerry rang rings around us in the next match. Out of nowhere we came back from 8 points down to draw the match. Some may put it down to fluke but you could hardly say the last ten minutes was a team that had folded.
Our final game we started really well everywhere except the scoreboard. We kicked an amount of wides and Kerry built up a decent lead. Again we reeled them in and were looking the more likely winners when Gooch popped up with a killer goal. This knocked Cork back but they were still hammering away at the final whistle.
Ths year we have had 2 games in Croke park against Monaghan and Donegal. You might argue that neither team put it up to us. I prefer to see all 5 matches as a steady progression in performance at HQ.
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
QuoteThe Cork midfield dominated that Kildare midfield in the 1/4 final last year.
That was last year DH and Kildare were poor enough in many areas, and although Murphy is good in the air he doesn't like the rough stuff and there'll be plenty of that this Sunday, he simply isn't the man for the job IMO.
We were poor in many areas last year but midfield was not one of them. Earley was as good in the Fermanagh and Limerick matches last year as he was in many games this year. Flynn also came on early on in that 1/4 final for Killian Brennan early on so it was the same midfield pairing that played Tyrone this year and Cork got the better of them.
If anything, I think this Cork team are being seriously underrated. If their forwards are quicker than Kildare's to pick up the spare man and they force McConnell to drive the ball long down the middle, I would expect them to get enough possession to beat Tyrone.
should be a good game.
Looking forward going to it.
Will tryone manage to keep the margin of defeat to cork within 4 points though !
I don't remember Early being as good as this year but I'll take your word for it as I can't really remember. I do agree though DH that Cork have a great chance and I actually expected them to win all year if this pairing came to pass, however the closer it's getting the more I'm leaning to the proven performers. Cork are still quite young in many positions, Kerrigan, Kelly, O'Neill and Goulding are all 21/22 and Ray Carey and Shields are the same age in the FB line. It's asking a lot of 21/22 year olds to match seasoned campaigners of the quality of O'Neill, Cavanagh, Gormley etc. Cork will become the team to beat IMO but I'm not sure Tyrone are ready to give up the crown yet.
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 20, 2009, 02:44:30 PM
I think this Cork team has been overhyped, they are still essentially the same players that have folded in major Croke Park occasions over the past few years, i don't think it will be any different this time tbh unless they get a blinding start and put Tyrone on the back foot. Other then that they will have to hope that Tyrone take the foot off the gas at some stage - as they have tended to do on occasion this year.
A comfortable win for Tyrone.
ah sure, we're just going for the day out. ;)
The key for Cork this year is on the line. Last year Conor Counihan was just settling into the job. What ultimately cost them against Kerry was that it tool him until the second half of the replay to get his best 15 on the park set up in the way he wanted them. Since then he has been quietly bringing Cork along.
It is correct to say that this is substantially the same group of players that have failed at the ultimate or penultimate Championship stages in recent years. However the team and panel are also sprinkled with a dusting from Corks successful U21 sides of 2007 and 2009.
Even if things go against Cork on Sunday, as they surely must at some stage, Conor won't panic or lose the head, in the Morgan or Tomkins manner.
However Conor can't kick the ball.
I'm bouncing from one side to another as to what I think will happen. Bookies have it as only a 1 point match. Tyrone to win by 1-3 points @ 11/4????
Quote from: rrhf on August 20, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
This is some challenge boyz and girl, the stomachs already in knots.
tell me about it - I'm losing sleep as it is
Tyrone starting line up is as follows.
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
9 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Arain
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
No real suprise. Good to see McGinley back. Expect the McGuigans to come on in the second half. Strange seeing naming Gormley at 3 and Justy at 6. Gormely has been playing full back for a number of years but always wore 6.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 20, 2009, 08:42:57 PM
No real suprise. Good to see McGinley back. Expect the McGuigans to come on in the second half. Strange seeing naming Gormley at 3 and Justy at 6. Gormely has been playing full back for a number of years but always wore 6.
I was thinking that is strange as well. Normally if he is changing the same 6 defender around he names them in standard positions and they start differently. What new mind game is this??
Big game from Enda could be the winning of this.
Tyrone v Cork
20 Aug 2009
Comórtas: Craobh na hÉireann
Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Corcaigh
Ionad: Pairc an Chrócaigh
Dáta: 23-08-09
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
9 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Arain
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
16 Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
20 Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
21 Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
22 Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
23 Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruiairí
24 Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
25 Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
26 Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh
27 Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chríochach
28 Sean O'Neill An Droim Mhór
29 Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
30 Martin Swift Coill an Chlochair
31 Gareth Devlin An Chraobh
32 Niall Gormley Trí Leac
33 Jason McAnulla An Omaigh
Bainisteoir: Micheál Ó hAirt
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 08:39:46 PM
Tyrone starting line up is as follows.
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
9 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Arain
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
How would a Down man get hold of the Tyrone team just announced? ;D
So, Tommy, Brian, McCullagh, Cavanagh and O'Neill to see sub action if all being well?
Some kind of move to give the impression of a 6 foot plus midfield diamond of Justin, Hub, McGinley and Sean?
Quote from: Gaffer on August 20, 2009, 08:55:14 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 08:39:46 PM
Tyrone starting line up is as follows.
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
9 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Arain
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
How would a Down man get hold of the Tyrone team just announced? ;D
Was having a we brouse through various gaa websites and came across it on www.tyronegaa.ie
So I was right. Tommy out, Enda in & Sean to CHF. Suppose it wasn't too unexpected.
Wonder will big Sean take the frees or will it be Mugsy.
I think Mugsy (like myself ;)) is a big confidence player and if he has to take a few difficult frees near the start it could put him off for the whole day.
I hope to see Justy playing at CHB the whole game & hope he can push forward as much as possible.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 20, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
QuoteThe Cork midfield dominated that Kildare midfield in the 1/4 final last year.
That was last year DH and Kildare were poor enough in many areas, and although Murphy is good in the air he doesn't like the rough stuff and there'll be plenty of that this Sunday, he simply isn't the man for the job IMO.
We were poor in many areas last year but midfield was not one of them. Earley was as good in the Fermanagh and Limerick matches last year as he was in many games this year. Flynn also came on early on in that 1/4 final for Killian Brennan early on so it was the same midfield pairing that played Tyrone this year and Cork got the better of them.
If anything, I think this Cork team are being seriously underrated. If their forwards are quicker than Kildare's to pick up the spare man and they force McConnell to drive the ball long down the middle, I would expect them to get enough possession to beat Tyrone.
I think Cork will get enough possession to beat Tyrone, but I'm not sure they'll use enough of it (or will be allowed to use enough of it) to win.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 20, 2009, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 20, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
QuoteThe Cork midfield dominated that Kildare midfield in the 1/4 final last year.
That was last year DH and Kildare were poor enough in many areas, and although Murphy is good in the air he doesn't like the rough stuff and there'll be plenty of that this Sunday, he simply isn't the man for the job IMO.
We were poor in many areas last year but midfield was not one of them. Earley was as good in the Fermanagh and Limerick matches last year as he was in many games this year. Flynn also came on early on in that 1/4 final for Killian Brennan early on so it was the same midfield pairing that played Tyrone this year and Cork got the better of them.
If anything, I think this Cork team are being seriously underrated. If their forwards are quicker than Kildare's to pick up the spare man and they force McConnell to drive the ball long down the middle, I would expect them to get enough possession to beat Tyrone.
I think Cork will get enough possession to beat Tyrone, but I'm not sure they'll use enough of it (or will be allowed to use enough of it) to win.
Looks like Harte is trying to address Tyrones mid field problem. Having McGinley back is a sure boost. Some bench to empty too! Then again Tyrone dont dominate MF against most opposition and still grind out the wins!
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2009, 08:57:38 PM
Some kind of move to give the impression of a 6 foot plus midfield diamond of Justin, Hub, McGinley and Sean?
That would be it exactly I'd say, though there'll be the usual liquidity in those positions.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 20, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
So I was right. Tommy out, Enda in & Sean to CHF.
I said that at the start of the week. Quit copying me :P
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 20, 2009, 09:59:26 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 20, 2009, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 20, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
QuoteThe Cork midfield dominated that Kildare midfield in the 1/4 final last year.
That was last year DH and Kildare were poor enough in many areas, and although Murphy is good in the air he doesn't like the rough stuff and there'll be plenty of that this Sunday, he simply isn't the man for the job IMO.
We were poor in many areas last year but midfield was not one of them. Earley was as good in the Fermanagh and Limerick matches last year as he was in many games this year. Flynn also came on early on in that 1/4 final for Killian Brennan early on so it was the same midfield pairing that played Tyrone this year and Cork got the better of them.
If anything, I think this Cork team are being seriously underrated. If their forwards are quicker than Kildare's to pick up the spare man and they force McConnell to drive the ball long down the middle, I would expect them to get enough possession to beat Tyrone.
I think Cork will get enough possession to beat Tyrone, but I'm not sure they'll use enough of it (or will be allowed to use enough of it) to win.
Looks like Harte is trying to address Tyrones mid field problem. Having McGinley back is a sure boost. Some bench to empty too! Then again Tyrone dont dominate MF against most opposition and still grind out the wins!
Think this could be their biggest test in a few years CTK, and thats not trying to disrespect Ciarrai in any way, shape or form.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 20, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 20, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
So I was right. Tommy out, Enda in & Sean to CHF.
I said that at the start of the week. Quit copying me :P
In fairness Ziggy - Pat Gilroy could have even got that one right!
I know comethekingdom, wasn't a difficult one to get :D
Is this anyone here?
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Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 20, 2009, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 20, 2009, 09:59:26 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 20, 2009, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 20, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
QuoteThe Cork midfield dominated that Kildare midfield in the 1/4 final last year.
That was last year DH and Kildare were poor enough in many areas, and although Murphy is good in the air he doesn't like the rough stuff and there'll be plenty of that this Sunday, he simply isn't the man for the job IMO.
We were poor in many areas last year but midfield was not one of them. Earley was as good in the Fermanagh and Limerick matches last year as he was in many games this year. Flynn also came on early on in that 1/4 final for Killian Brennan early on so it was the same midfield pairing that played Tyrone this year and Cork got the better of them.
If anything, I think this Cork team are being seriously underrated. If their forwards are quicker than Kildare's to pick up the spare man and they force McConnell to drive the ball long down the middle, I would expect them to get enough possession to beat Tyrone.
I think Cork will get enough possession to beat Tyrone, but I'm not sure they'll use enough of it (or will be allowed to use enough of it) to win.
Looks like Harte is trying to address Tyrones mid field problem. Having McGinley back is a sure boost. Some bench to empty too! Then again Tyrone dont dominate MF against most opposition and still grind out the wins!
Think this could be their biggest test in a few years CTK, and thats not trying to disrespect Ciarrai in any way, shape or form.
Mickey Ned got it right agin Cork in the Munster Final. MH will just have to refine those tactics and thats the end of Cork in this yrs championship me thinks!
Quote from: ziggysego on August 20, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 20, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
So I was right. Tommy out, Enda in & Sean to CHF.
I said that at the start of the week. Quit copying me :P
You Antrim'd bate Kerry. Get outta here ye , ye,
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 20, 2009, 10:17:15 PM
Mickey Ned got it right agin Cork in the Munster Final. MH will just have to refine those tactics and thats the end of Cork in this yrs championship me thinks!
MH has already refined, readjusted, reconfigured, reassessed, re-engineered, reappraised, recapped on and realished those tactics long before now
cmk! ;)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 20, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
Let's see Miskella and O'Leary launch their surging runs with Dooher and Mc Mahon hanging off them.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 20, 2009, 10:17:15 PM
Mickey Ned got it right agin Cork in the Munster Final. MH will just have to refine those tactics and thats the end of Cork in this yrs championship me thinks!
MH has already refined, readjusted, reconfigured, reassessed, re-engineered, reappraised, recapped on and realished those tactics long before now cmk! ;)
What tactics do people think Limerick employed? Because they didn't actually do a whole lot tactically to nullify Cork.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2009, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 20, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
Let's see Miskella and O'Leary launch their surging runs with Dooher and Mc Mahon hanging off them.
and Sean Cavanagh in the same line too!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2009, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 20, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
Let's see Miskella and O'Leary launch their surging runs with Dooher and Mc Mahon hanging off them.
Literally. ;)
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2009, 10:26:50 PM
What tactics do people think Limerick employed? Because they didn't actually do a whole lot tactically to nullify Cork.
True enough Zulu. The primary tactic was just to get in and about them, cramping their style.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 20, 2009, 10:28:15 PM
Quote
Let's see Miskella and O'Leary launch their surging runs with Dooher and Mc Mahon hanging off them.
Literally. ;)
You can bet on it ;)
A few pearls from De Paper - Counihan showing no fear.
IT'S Conor Counihan's conundrum - how to simulate in training the frenetic level of intensity his Cork players will be confronted with by Tyrone in Sunday's All-Ireland SFC semi final at Croke Park.
True to form, the Aghada man examines the issue like he does most others – carefully.
"Of course, we have to match their intensity, but nobody should forget the skill factor here either. You still have to put scores on the board."
Privately, his players will confirm Counihan has more or less swallowed the whistle in training, happy to let the tempers bubble up as the back-to-back Munster champions prepare for the ultimate test of will and resolve.
"You can't afford to be afraid of anyone," Counihan cautions. "If you go out with that attitude, you're in trouble straight away. We've always ingrained that philosophy in the lads – not to worry too much about the opposition.
"We've gone into each match taking the game to the other team and that'll be our philosophy again on Sunday."
While Cork were denied a Croke Park grilling in the quarter-final, they do have an afternoon's toil against Limerick in their locker from the Munster final. That should help.
"We haven't prepared any differently because it's Tyrone. We're in the same mode all along. We'd always pick on form at training and not on the basis of the opposition. What the management sees on the training pitch is very important to us. The lads know that too. The game is about the team and I'm very excited for them."
He added: "We study the opposition to a certain extent but your big focus has to be on your own team. The tougher games make you better – that's why the Donegal game was very disappointing, because we got nothing out of it. We like to step back and assess after games but it's difficult to go to someone and ask him to look at things if he's scored 1-3 or 1-4."
In fact, Tyrone's quarter-final grind against Kildare was precisely what Counihan and his selectors would have relished. The Cork coach has studied the tape but it didn't tell him anything he didn't appreciate about Mickey Harte's battlers.
"Total commitment, 15-man effort on the field, never-say-die attitude," he responds when asked what makes the Red Hands the champions they are.
"Tyrone seem to be the standard bearers in terms of intensity, but we've played a lot of other good teams in the 18 months I've been involved. It'll be different but we have to handle that situation. I'm under no illusions that this will be the toughest game we've played so far."
The man who brought no nonsense defending to an art form in his own day knows there's no place for equivocation on Sunday against a side who win first and ask questions later.
A dirty side, even? "We wouldn't have first-hand experience of them and until you meet a side on the field of play, you never truly know what they're like. To me they are a very formidable side and it will take a lot of effort over 70 minutes and more."
The thought persists that Douglas's Eoin Cadogan might relish the physical confrontations on Sunday, but Counihan felt that "time was short" for him to get a much-needed run in the quarter final stroll against Donegal.
"He needed a bit more time (after coming into the panel), but everyone is being considered for this game. That's the good thing: we have a full panel, and with that comes options."
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 20, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
and Sean Cavanagh in the same line too!
Canty will be too busy hanging off him! ;)
PS Both RTE and the BBC are giving 'Heavy Rain' for Dublin on Sunday, although RTE's has since been modified to
Brighter fresher weather following on Sunday, with sunshine and scattered heavy showers. Winds veering southwest to west.
This thread is intense :)
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 20, 2009, 10:30:05 PM
A few pearls from De Paper - Counihan showing no fear.
A dirty side, even?
That's one of the worst questions I've ever seen asked. Even if it were true it's a sloppy question to ask any man on the record.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2009, 11:26:25 PM
PS Both RTE and the BBC are giving 'Heavy Rain' for Dublin on Sunday, although RTE's has since been modified to Brighter fresher weather following on Sunday, with sunshine and scattered heavy showers. Winds veering southwest to west.
I compliment the intensity of the thread and while I'm doing it you post about the weather :D
Quote from: Zapatista on August 20, 2009, 11:31:24 PM
This thread is intense :)
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 20, 2009, 10:30:05 PM
A few pearls from De Paper - Counihan showing no fear.
A dirty side, even?
That's one of the worst questions I've ever seen asked. Even if it were true it's a sloppy question to ask any man on the record.
No worries Zap, MH's scrapbook is choc-full of Cork cockiness and impertinence at this stage, I think he paid them! ;)
A little more intensity: the Cork keeper will be wearing a lovely little red and white hooped number.
just after watching the Kildare game again, have to say there was great intensity to it, what does everyone think about the bearing this can have on the next game? Is it as big an advantage as it's made out to be?
think Tyrone are in a better position following their game as opposed to cork.. Cork need a blistering start to negate their 'easier' passage to the semi. If Tyrone get an early run at them I feel it will be hard for the rebels to keep in touch.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 20, 2009, 11:41:01 PM
Cork need a blistering start to negate their 'easier' passage to the semi. If Tyrone get an early run at them I feel it will be hard for the rebels to keep in touch.
Would agree
og, MH will try to have the pressure full on from the start.
And this is what he looks like after making a hames of it
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 20, 2009, 11:41:01 PM
just after watching the Kildare game again, have to say there was great intensity to it, what does everyone think about the bearing this can have on the next game? Is it as big an advantage as it's made out to be?
I think I have to agree with what Harte says in the examiner - there is no reason to believe that an easy game is better than a battle and visa-versa. In particular going into a semi or a final.
Strong looking Tyrone team and pretty much as expected. Hopefully Enda will be back at his best and he will need to be. Brian McGuigan again a key man to have to go in during the second half. Saw McCullagh mentioned earlier in the thread and his influence last year compared to this....think to an extent his injury problems this year have held him back. If its an open match on Sunday he is another who would be capable of going in and causing Cork problems.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 20, 2009, 11:43:07 PM
And this is what he looks like after making a hames of it
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You can be one heartless b****** Frank ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 21, 2009, 12:18:42 AM
[You can be one heartless b****** Frank ;)
I'll take that as a compliment.
I think I'm sticking with Tyrone to win by 1-3 points @ 11/4 doubled with Noel O'Leary to get the first card @ 12/1.
Have to go now, Mrs Casey, from the independent republic of West Cork, looking over shoulder.
Might as well look at the girls in skorts now.................................no other option. ;D
Good man Frank, good luck ;)
And let me just recap on that pic:
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 20, 2009, 11:43:07 PM
And this is what he looks like after making a hames of it
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 20, 2009, 11:41:01 PM
just after watching the Kildare game again, have to say there was great intensity to it, what does everyone think about the bearing this can have on the next game? Is it as big an advantage as it's made out to be?
think Tyrone are in a better position following their game as opposed to cork.. Cork need a blistering start to negate their 'easier' passage to the semi. If Tyrone get an early run at them I feel it will be hard for the rebels to keep in touch.
That all depends on the character of this Cork side. Tyrone in 2003 and 2008 headed into the semis on the back of a stroll and upped it even further in the first half.
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2009, 08:57:38 PM
So, Tommy, Brian, McCullagh, Cavanagh and O'Neill to see sub action if all being well?
Some kind of move to give the impression of a 6 foot plus midfield diamond of Justin, Hub, McGinley and Sean?
I dont know if all the above will see action or not. I thought it very interesting that for all the talk of Tyrones strength in depth that in the Kildare game which is the only time the bench has been required only Brian and red Sean came on.
I would think the naming of Justin at 6 is just to ruffle a few feathers with Cork. He could line out there particularly if Pierce O'Neill starts there but then again he may not. I dont think what ever formation Cork take up will upset Tyrone too much. Tyrone have the option of just playing man to man and letting their defenders follow their designated opponent where ever they go, all of the Tyrone defenders are competent enough footballers to do this if required.
Really looking forward to this, its going to be intriguing to watch things unfold and see if Cork are as good as they have indicated they could be.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2009, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 20, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
Let's see Miskella and O'Leary launch their surging runs with Dooher and Mc Mahon hanging off them.
all within the rules of course ;)
It's great that both teams are at full strength for this one, we've had a few injuries throughout the season, but with Lynch back and no other concerns, this is the first time that we've got the strongest 15 out this season. With McGinley back Tyrones midfield and Half forward line improve and Cavanagh will no doubt try to take Canty on a tour of Croker for a bit.
Im in a happy place this morning - just the right balance of nervous tension - as you need before the big game, a clear head, a non flatulent stomach and a constant thought screaming at me , "Cmon Tyrone, get stuck into those rebel hoors"
Tyrone by 5.
Intensity of the game to be the highest ever on record :D.
To me its not quite an intense (yet) as the 2003 final. That was one intense battle as was the 2005 semi final.
I said to the Armagh ones next to me I wish ye all the best folks whoever wins cos its gonna be hard to take whover loses.
The tackling was so tough that day and all the fans were in that mood of scared to be too vocal in case they'd lose.
It's nice weather here in Dublin this morning but yes it still looks like rain for Sunday.
Can't wait for Sunday and I thnk we're in for a classic
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 08:39:46 PM
Tyrone starting line up is as follows.
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
9 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Arain
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
cant see tyrone lining up as this, it would be suicidal to do so.
maybe going man to man, but if so, is mickey harte just completely bored and wants to set himself a mountain of a challenge ?
Unless Cork lose their nerve in croker again I cant see past a rebel victory.
That will upset the young tyrone supporting nephew I am bring to the game on sunday.
Why do you think it will be Suicidal ABT?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2009, 10:41:11 AM
Why do you think it will be Suicidal ABT?
while tyrone are known for their players adaptability, to make wholesale changes is usually playing into the opponents hands. Changing your sides structure and cohesion detracts from your own continuity. Usually harte (and all great teams/manages) imposes their gameplan ON opponents - only changing a couple of positions when there are obvious requirements (eg the two big men needed to mark Donnelly and Walsh in last years final).
I just cant see the sense in this. Unless its more pre game trickery by MH.
But he is the master.
Any thoughts on Penrose ahead of Tommy?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 21, 2009, 10:46:44 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2009, 10:41:11 AM
Why do you think it will be Suicidal ABT?
while tyrone are known for their players adaptability, to make wholesale changes is usually playing into the opponents hands. Changing your sides structure and cohesion detracts from your own continuity. Usually harte (and all great teams/manages) imposes their gameplan ON opponents - only changing a couple of positions when there are obvious requirements (eg the two big men needed to mark Donnelly and Walsh in last years final).
I just cant see the sense in this. Unless its more pre game trickery by MH.
But he is the master.
The thing is though Harte has not really made wholesale changes. Gormley although always named at 6 rarely plays there. Justin played at 6 against Armagh. McGinley was in my opinion Tyrones most consistant player last year in the middle of the field while Cavanagh has played at 11 on numerous occassions during games. Thats assuming they play as selected and there is no guarantee of that.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2009, 10:47:17 AM
Any thoughts on Penrose ahead of Tommy?
On current form you have to say Penroase fully merits his place ahead of Tommy but at the same time I wouldnt be surprised to see Tommy come in for Penrose and do a very good job. Tommy seems to be more comfortable playing in the inside line for tyrone than out the field.
To me Tommy has been the weakest of the starting players for the last 2 seasons and i think Penrose has held his place deservedly. Tommie has lost his place to incldue Mc Ginley which if fully fit was a given anyway. SC / SON ./ EM and even Marty P to take free kicks. Does anybody think that Hartes decision is to flood the middle third from 6 to 11 with some of his own best to tie up Corks resources in there but essentially to to leave room on the outer wings for the Jordans /Hartes / Doohers and Joe Mc to sock it to their opposing numbers where Harte feels he has clear advantage.
I'd have to agree, if any of the forwards were getting the chop then it would have to be Tommy. Penfold is prob having his most consistant season in a while and is well due his starting position. That said it's good to have someone like Tommy to come in of the bench if one of the others are having an of day.
Could give Mickey a bit of a dilemma in the second half, Tommy or Brian to come on?
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I remember going to a league match with the Tyrone freetaker of 73 about 20 years ago and the conversation came up about the Cork game in 73. He turned around to his son and said, "that day yer da was missing 14 yard frees in Croke Park." It was truly horrible stuff for Tyrone people accordingly. 36 years later we finally get a chance for revenge, Lose this gamne and we may well be handing the all ireland to Kerry. Win this game and the kingdom will be ours or (to keep hardy right) the chance to revisit 96/07 with our Meath friends.
Quote from: loughshore lad on August 21, 2009, 10:59:22 AM
The thing is though Harte has not really made wholesale changes. Gormley although always named at 6 rarely plays there. Justin played at 6 against Armagh. McGinley was in my opinion Tyrones most consistant player last year in the middle of the field while Cavanagh has played at 11 on numerous occassions during games. Thats assuming they play as selected and there is no guarantee of that.
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Gormly plays either fb or chb fair enough.
mcginley coming back off a bit of a layoff is a worry too.
Yeah- we will have to see how they actually line out, but as I say if its how it has been announced it would be a disaster for tyrone, and usually they dont line out as announced.
Just looking at the subs and wondering who would be the expected 1st names out from the bench
Brian & Tommy but who's next. McCullagh, C Cavanagh?
Sean O'Neill in defence who else, Gourley?
How's Aidan Cassidy now. Would he be in the running now?
Brolly on Drive time last night
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From Irish Times
CHAMPIONSHIP 2009 NEWS: TYRONE HAVE recalled All Star centrefielder Enda McGinley for Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final against Munster champions Cork. It will be his first start in two months after sustaining a hamstring injury in training in the lead-up to last month's Ulster final against Antrim.
The selection is one of a couple of tactical switches by Mickey Harte and his management team. McGinley resumes his partnership with Kevin Hughes, allowing Seán Cavanagh to return to the forwards where he will lead the attack.
Tommy McGuigan is the player to lose out from the side that started against Kildare in the All-Ireland quarter-final.
The other potentially significant selection is the switching of full back Justin McMahon and the versatile Conor Gormley. McMahon's height is seen as an advantage in coping with Cork's big centre forward Pearse O'Neill, at whom a lot of the team's kick-outs are directed.
Despite having made a cumulative eight trips to All-Ireland semi-finals this decade the counties have not been drawn together until now. The only previous occasion on which they contested a senior championship match was in 1973 when Cork, on the way to winning the All-Ireland, won comfortably.
I'm on a half day today folks so enjoy the game and may football be the winner at the end of the day. ;D
I think the rebels would rather see Tyrone give Kerry a good hiding in the final and confirm once and for all who the team of the decade really is.
Therefore Rebels to do their startled earwig impressions and Tyrone to win by 5.
ENJOY one and all.
Quote from: rrhf on August 21, 2009, 11:17:16 AM
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I remember going to a league match with the Tyrone freetaker of 73 about 20 years ago and the conversation came up about the Cork game in 73. He turned around to his son and said, "that day yer da was missing 14 yard frees in Croke Park." It was truly horrible stuff for Tyrone people accordingly. 36 years later we finally get a chance for revenge, Lose this gamne and we may well be handing the all ireland to Kerry. Win this game and the kingdom will be ours or (to keep hardy right) the chance to revisit 96/07 with our Meath friends.
One of many factors driving this Cork team, is revenge for 07. We won't be found wanting against Kerry in Croke park again.
Either way, we'll all be happy once Cork or Tyrone stuff it to the animals in September.
I have a spare Lower Cusack so PM me if anyone's interested in taking it.
cheers
Quote from: Ogie84 on August 21, 2009, 12:37:13 PM
One of many factors driving this Cork team, is revenge for 07. We won't be found wanting against Kerry in Croke park again.
Either way, we'll all be happy once Cork or Tyrone stuff it to the animals in September.
Ahem ...
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2009, 02:02:07 PM
Ahem ...
I was waiting for that, I was going to warn Ogie, but sure... :D
I've just stocked up with a new supply of ahems for the coming week.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2009, 11:36:03 AM
Just looking at the subs and wondering who would be the expected 1st names out from the bench
Brian & Tommy but who's next. McCullagh, C Cavanagh?
Sean O'Neill in defence who else, Gourley?
How's Aidan Cassidy now. Would he be in the running now?
Brolly on Drive time last night
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From Irish Times
CHAMPIONSHIP 2009 NEWS: TYRONE HAVE recalled All Star centrefielder Enda McGinley for Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final against Munster champions Cork. It will be his first start in two months after sustaining a hamstring injury in training in the lead-up to last month's Ulster final against Antrim.
The selection is one of a couple of tactical switches by Mickey Harte and his management team. McGinley resumes his partnership with Kevin Hughes, allowing Seán Cavanagh to return to the forwards where he will lead the attack.
Tommy McGuigan is the player to lose out from the side that started against Kildare in the All-Ireland quarter-final.
The other potentially significant selection is the switching of full back Justin McMahon and the versatile Conor Gormley. McMahon's height is seen as an advantage in coping with Cork's big centre forward Pearse O'Neill, at whom a lot of the team's kick-outs are directed.
Despite having made a cumulative eight trips to All-Ireland semi-finals this decade the counties have not been drawn together until now. The only previous occasion on which they contested a senior championship match was in 1973 when Cork, on the way to winning the All-Ireland, won comfortably.
I'm on a half day today folks so enjoy the game and may football be the winner at the end of the day. ;D
I think the rebels would rather see Tyrone give Kerry a good hiding in the final and confirm once and for all who the team of the decade really is.
Therefore Rebels to do their startled earwig impressions and Tyrone to win by 5.
ENJOY one and all.
Semms M.Harte is more worried about Cork than concentrating on his own team. I predict a tough day for Tyrone!!
can't wait for Sunday, gonna be a cracking game, and im fully confident the mighty Red Hands will do the business and make it back-to-back Final appearances come September 20th.
Tír Eoghain Abú!!!!
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Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2009, 11:36:03 AM
Just looking at the subs and wondering who would be the expected 1st names out from the bench
Brian & Tommy but who's next. McCullagh, C Cavanagh?
Sean O'Neill in defence who else, Gourley?
How's Aidan Cassidy now. Would he be in the running now?
Brolly on Drive time last night
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From Irish Times
CHAMPIONSHIP 2009 NEWS: TYRONE HAVE recalled All Star centrefielder Enda McGinley for Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final against Munster champions Cork. It will be his first start in two months after sustaining a hamstring injury in training in the lead-up to last month's Ulster final against Antrim.
The selection is one of a couple of tactical switches by Mickey Harte and his management team. McGinley resumes his partnership with Kevin Hughes, allowing Seán Cavanagh to return to the forwards where he will lead the attack.
Tommy McGuigan is the player to lose out from the side that started against Kildare in the All-Ireland quarter-final.
The other potentially significant selection is the switching of full back Justin McMahon and the versatile Conor Gormley. McMahon's height is seen as an advantage in coping with Cork's big centre forward Pearse O'Neill, at whom a lot of the team's kick-outs are directed.
Despite having made a cumulative eight trips to All-Ireland semi-finals this decade the counties have not been drawn together until now. The only previous occasion on which they contested a senior championship match was in 1973 when Cork, on the way to winning the All-Ireland, won comfortably.
I'm on a half day today folks so enjoy the game and may football be the winner at the end of the day. ;D
I think the rebels would rather see Tyrone give Kerry a good hiding in the final and confirm once and for all who the team of the decade really is.
Therefore Rebels to do their startled earwig impressions and Tyrone to win by 5.
ENJOY one and all.
Semms M.Harte is more worried about Cork than concentrating on his own team. I predict a tough day for Tyrone!!
no better team when the going gets tough. we'll see how cork stand up to the pressure!!
A friend of mine was in Clonakilty last weekend for A V B match . According to him Cussen was one of the best players on the pitch. Would not be at all surprised to see him starting. He can play either midfield or full forward.
a big lad like that playing that good, would beat Tyrone on his own.
If Tyrone see the need to bring McMahon out to HB then Cussen could cause problems in there.
A very reactive team by Mickey Harte which is not like him(well in the starting line-up anyway) and is interesting. Almost seems like he's scared of Cork. Doesn't seem the best strategy but then Mickey Harte hasn';t done much to be doubted over the last few years and anyone who has has been proved wrong.
I see a few problems for Tyrone in this game - if Kerrigan marks Davy Harte I think he'll roast him. McMahon out of FB will unsettle the FB line too. How PJ Quinn will stand up in this game raises big question marks too. Basically I think their FB line will be in problems - however Cork's could be too.
All in all I want Tyrone to win but I think they could be in bother here.
He is playing unreal Hurling at the moment too. His club did not start him as he was training with the Cork footballers . Came on at half time and scored 1-6 in 30 mins.Some of the scores were meant to be of the Henry Shefflin variety. Newstalk were even talking about his performance.
Quote from: marym on August 21, 2009, 04:14:27 PM
He is playing unreal Hurling at the moment too. His club did not start him as he was training with the Cork footballers . Came on at half time and scored 1-6 in 30 mins.Some of the scores were meant to be of the Henry Shefflin variety. Newstalk were even talking about his performance.
he's a better hurler than a footballer, something of a late developer really, he always had the height but his physical strength now means he's a real threat in hurling. Would make a far better option at full forward than Aisake but thats for another day.
Hoping for a great game on Sunday, real anticipation of a cracker here all week. See ye in Croker, Come on the rebels!
We all know that Cork are a very physically strong team, but as the hype for this game snowballs , will they prove to be mentally strong enough to keep it together in the last 10 mins.I think that if Tyrone are still in the game in the latter stages (which I'm sure they will be) it will be their cool heads that will see them through. Tyrone by 3.
The Corkman (www.corkman.ie) is the sister paper of the Kerryman and is just an (im)partial.
No reason for Rebels to fear
By Noel Horgan
Thursday August 20 2009
THERE'S little or no reason why Cork should be intimidated by the task of taking on Tyrone in next Sunday's All-Ireland senior football semi-final. True, Tyrone are the reigning champions, and they have got their hands on Sam three times since 2003.
They are also bidding to move a step closer towards completing their first ever two-in-a-row and matching Kerry's haul of four titles in the current decade. That provides them with serious motivation, all the more so since, given that they have an unblemished record in three championship meetings with Kerry over the past six years, it would dispel all arguments regarding their right to be rated as the most compelling team in the modern era were they to reach the summit again this year.
It's an opportunity they won't allow to slip away lightly, and the massive intensity, which has become their trademark, is sure to be evident in their performance again as they attempt to extend their unbeaten run in AllIreland semi finals to four games under Mickey Harte's stewardship. They haven't lost a final either, so it's obvious that the further they progress in the championship, the more difficult it is to bring a halt to their gallop.
But, for all that, it would be fair to say that they aren't an invincible outfit, and they could be vulnerable against a Cork team which has already done much to confirm pre-season speculation that AllIreland success is a realistic aspiration. There is no denying that Cork have endured more than their share of disappointment in the All-Ireland series recently.
In four semi-final appearances since 2005, they have delivered the goods just once against Meath in 2007. They were humiliated by Kerry in the showpiece that year, and they likewise slumped badly against the Kingdom at the penultimate stage in 2005 and 2006. It seemed as they were destined to endure another harrowing experience in last year's semi-final when they scarcely raised a gallop and found themselves trailing by eight points with time rapidly running out.
But they grabbed a couple of late goals to salvage an unlikely draw, and they came within an ace of winning the replay, pulling back another hefty deficit before being caught by a sucker-punch at the death in the form of a Colm Cooper goal. In contrast to the drawn match, there was nothing freakish about Cork's comeback in the replay, as they were the dominant side in the last quarter, and, having earlier relieved Kerry of the Munster title, it was generally accepted they were a tad unlucky not to have put them to the sword for the second time in 2008.
In pushing Kerry to the limit for the first time in a major game at Croke Park, however, it was felt that Cork had got a huge monkey off their back, hence the reason for the increase in expectation levels on Leeside heading into this year's championship. Little has happened in the meantime to diminish the mood of optimism as Cork have achieved all their targets so far, winning the Division 2 league title and retaining the Munster crown after comfortably accounting for Kerry in a semi-final replay.
They almost came a cropper in the Munster final, but they may have been guilty of underestimating Limerick, and their fortuitous victory was probably just what the doctor ordered in that complacency was never going to come into the equation when they squared up to Donegal in the All-Ireland quarter final.
Spurred on by a desire to atone for their unconvincing display against Limerick, Cork proceeded to do a thorough demolition-job on Donegal, who were possibly feeling the affects of a demanding schedule, which saw them involved in four consecutive games in the qualifiers in the preceding four weeks. As selector Terry O'Neill remarked afterwards, however, Cork, irrespective of how inept Donegal were, needed to perform to secure their semi final ticket, and they did so in a manner which has surely enhanced their rating as genuine All-Ireland contenders.
Taking on Tyrone is obviously going to be a much stiffer challenge, but, as I've said, there is no reason why Cork should be overawed by it. They will have no psychological barrier to overcome since they haven't previously encountered Mickey Harte's men in the championship. And they are bound to draw some encouragement from the fact that Tyrone were put to the pin off their collar to come through their quarter final game against Kildare.
If Kildare were in the opposite corner on Sunday, it's more than likely that Cork would be installed as favourites, and perhaps it's worth noting as well that Tyrone haven't gone through an entire championship campaign unbeaten since 2003. They came through the backdoor to win the All-Ireland in 2005 and 2008, and the teams that have dumped them out of the title race within the past five years are Mayo, in 2004, Laois, in 2006, and Meath, in 2007, with Donegal, Armagh, Derry and Down denying them provincial honours in ' 04, ' 05, '06 and ' 08 respectively. That Cork can add their name to Tyrone's list of conquerors on Sunday is hardly beyond the bounds of possibility.
It goes without saying that the Rebels' credentials will be tested to the hilt by a team containing such experienced and accomplished footballers as Conor Gormley, Ryan McMenamin, Philip Jordan, Kevin Hughes, Sean Cavanagh, Brian Dooher, Brian McGuigan, Owen Mulligan and Stephen O'Neill, all of whom were involved when Tyrone made the historic breakthrough in 2003.But there are solid grounds to conclude that Cork will be going in with a stronger hand than that which they held for any of their previous four semi final outings. Conor Counihan and his co-selectors have left no stone unturned in their efforts to bolster the squad over the past 12 months. And, assuming that Anthony Lynch is fit to return at corner-back following the injury which ruled him out of the quarter final, the starting fifteen on Sunday will include just nine players – Lynch, Alan Quirke, Graham Canty, John Miskella, Noel O'Leary, Nicholas Murphy, Pearse O'Neill, Donncha O'Connor and Daniel Goulding – who lined out in the replay against Kerry in 2008.
It's a sizeable turnover in such a short space of time, but, as Counihan pointed out at the Cork press night recently, the quality of the players on the bench could turn out to be a key factor in determining the outcome. It's a fair bet that Mickey Harte will have laid plans to stymie the running game which saw Cork prosper in the quarter final.
Just how successful they are, and how Cork adapt if forced into a change of style will be crucial, as will how first-season regulars in attack such as Paul Kerrigan, Patrick Kelly and Colm O'Neill measure up on a Croke Park pitch that is going to appear a lot less spacious than it did when they sparkled there against Donegal.
It's going to be fascinating contest, but, providing they can match Tyrone's aggression, there is every chance that Cork will prevail.
Anyone going by train from the North can forget it. The line has subsided at malahide and they are bussing enterprise passengers only
f**k sake, that's a pain in the hole ... just heard that
Is the naming of McMahon at 6 a sign of weakness or simply mind games?. I can't understand it. Why not keep the defense 1-7 as is and move him out if required. It's been well documented all week that him and O'Neill became buddies while rooming out in Oz. I suppose for the last 2 years since Ricey's mauling against Meath, Gormley always moves back and Ricey always moves up, however this time he'd be up against a guy who's 6'5. Does this mean Ricey will stay in the corner? Don't think so. I can still see Justy and Gormley patrolling the square.
I know we need to talk about something, but what's all the speculation over the Tyrone's positional changes, don't you listen to the commentators/pundits/columnists... that "positions mean so little nowadays ... and ... Tyrone's ability to play anywhere on the field.." (among some of the most abused phrases) ::)
As for Cussen, no harm but seen him a couple of times at Croker this year and last and have been struck by the laziness of his work ethic. Just watch him off the ball and then watch Cavanagh. Used to rate him watching on TV. Not too worried about him at all.
I have the same feeling I had before last years AI and can see us exposing the Cork FB line and nullifying their FF line. This will be a game of halfs... Half forwards and half backs which MH has recognised by dropping Justy and Sean in there.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 21, 2009, 10:48:44 PM
I know we need to talk about something, but what's all the speculation over the Tyrone's positional changes, don't you listen to the commentators/pundits/columnists... that "positions mean so little nowadays ... and ... Tyrone's ability to play anywhere on the field.." (among some of the most abused phrases) ::)
Quite surprised by that talk myself. A fit McGinley was always likely to come back into the team and with Penrose playing so well Tommy was the most likely to drop to the bench. No surprise there. As for Justy and Block swapping numbers its no big deal, the Tyrone defenders often switch positions during matches and the numbers on their backs are pretty irrelevant.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 21, 2009, 11:34:00 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 21, 2009, 10:48:44 PM
I know we need to talk about something, but what's all the speculation over the Tyrone's positional changes, don't you listen to the commentators/pundits/columnists... that "positions mean so little nowadays ... and ... Tyrone's ability to play anywhere on the field.." (among some of the most abused phrases) ::)
Quite surprised by that talk myself. A fit McGinley was always likely to come back into the team and with Penrose playing so well Tommy was the most likely to drop to the bench. No surprise there. As for Justy and Block swapping numbers its no big deal, the Tyrone defenders often switch positions during matches and the numbers on their backs are pretty irrelevant.
Just another way of trying to keep the Cork half backs on the back foot really.
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 22, 2009, 02:33:26 AM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 21, 2009, 11:34:00 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 21, 2009, 10:48:44 PM
I know we need to talk about something, but what's all the speculation over the Tyrone's positional changes, don't you listen to the commentators/pundits/columnists... that "positions mean so little nowadays ... and ... Tyrone's ability to play anywhere on the field.." (among some of the most abused phrases) ::)
Quite surprised by that talk myself. A fit McGinley was always likely to come back into the team and with Penrose playing so well Tommy was the most likely to drop to the bench. No surprise there. As for Justy and Block swapping numbers its no big deal, the Tyrone defenders often switch positions during matches and the numbers on their backs are pretty irrelevant.
Just another way of trying to keep the Cork half backs on the back foot really.
you know 020304 tir Eoghan...you havent been on this board long yet you suffer from that innnate, and unjustifed, Tymoan arrogance. A little more humbleness wouldnt go amiss. Those Cork half backs might cause you more trouble than you think on Sunday.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 22, 2009, 09:50:25 AM
Those Cork half backs might cause you more trouble than you think on Sunday.
Yes, they might ;)
From today's
Irish Times:
Tyrone's success built on solid BlockALL-IRELAND SFC SEMI-FINAL CORK v TYRONE:
KEITH DUGGAN on how Tyrone's Conor Gormley excels in the task of prevention, of shutting down the brightest lights in Gaelic footballIT IS part of the Tyrone mythology now. In the last frantic minutes of the 2003 All-Ireland final when the reigning champions Armagh were pressing hard on their fiercest rivals, Conor Gormley seemed to materialise from nowhere to prevent Armagh's Steven McDonnell from delivering one of the late, killer reprieves that were then the Armagh speciality.
At the other end of the field, Owen Mulligan would recall believing that it had to be a goal as soon as Tony McEntee supplied the pass to McDonnell because he knew that the number 13 did not miss, not from that range. He waited to hear the cheers and to see the scoreboard change from 0-11 to 0-8 to 0-11 to 1-8. "I had to look at the giant screen to see what had happened."
It was, unquestionably, the moment that saved the day for Tyrone. Minutes later, they became All-Ireland senior champions for the first time and began in earnest a remarkable journey of triumph punctuated by setback and genuine sorrow, one that has not ended yet.
BUT FROM TIME to time the thought flits across all Tyrone minds. What if Gormley had not made that block? What if Armagh had levelled with a few minutes to go? Because in that instance, that Tyrone team were not yet the side they subsequently would become, the side who have become the chief tormentors of Kingdom football, the side who all other modern teams want to emulate.
Nothing was written in stone. When McDonnell took possession of the ball and set about doing what came most naturally to him – swivelling on his pivot shot, eyeing his target, falling calm and trusting his technique and his judgment and practice to steer the ball home – Tyrone had never won an All-Ireland. Many of these players had been swept aside by Eamonn O'Hara's tour-de-force in a Sligo shirt the previous summer. Doubt, at some level, lingered. For all their underage success, Tyrone's narrative at senior All-Ireland level was one of disappointment, sometimes close and crushing, sometimes just crushing. But it was about falling short.
So if Armagh, the wilful and imperious All-Ireland champions had broken Tyrone with a goal then, would the Red Hand men have been able to locate the necessary steel and poise to prevent Armagh pushing on? Armagh, at that point, were regarded as the model county, the team whose belief and endurance surpassed all others. Tyrone were the coming team, all right, but they had yet to bridge that huge, psychological gap between never having won the senior All-Ireland and having done so. It does not stretch the truth to suggest the Carrickmore man's deployment of the most fundamental and under-rated defensive skill made the bridge safe for his team-mates to cross. It is not an exaggeration to suggest that had Gormley not been there, everything could have been different.
"It was just an incredible block," praised the late Cormac McAnallen, the full back that day. "It was one of those heroic moments. McDonnell didn't miss. Cormac just came from nowhere."
THE CARRICKMORE GAA grounds is among the most evocative in the country, nestled in the lows of the greater Omagh countryside, with the decorative Nally Stand taking pride of place. Upstairs in the club house – a tearoom rather than a bar – hangs a large oil painting of Conor Gormley, wearing the green, white and gold of the club rather than the county. Such a studied tribute could seem contradictory given the player himself has always been no-nonsense and low key in his approach to games, a footballer who deflects attention away. But for whatever reasons, it does not look grandiose or inappropriate; rather, it is an honest representation of how Gormley is regarded in his own club.
"He is, first and foremost, a Carrickmore man," acknowledges Tony Donnelly, the Tyrone selector and Mickey Harte's sideline confidante. "This is someone who leads the club team on the field, he normally plays midfield for them and has achieved what he has achieved with Tyrone and who has managed the under-16 team for the past couple of years.
"They really acknowledge his achievement and his contribution. He was reared there and lives there still. Sometimes the prophet is not recognised in his own land but Conor is. His whole attitude has always been to just get on with it. That is how he approaches his game: he goes out and tries to lead by example. He is quiet and he is unassuming and when he does speak, because he doesn't rant the whole time, there is a depth to what he says."
Donnelly confirms Gormley's intervention in that first All-Ireland final was regarded by Tyrone people as little short of divine. Shortly afterwards, he was nicknamed "The Block", although Gormley's character seems somehow resistant to the burden of having pundits and radiomen referring to him by anything other than his real name. A half-back in 2003, Gormley's role in the Tyrone defence has since grown in both strategic importance and presence.
One of the interesting things about the Tyrone team is it is choc-a-block with disparate personalities. There is room for the terrier-like devilment and abrasiveness of Ryan McMenamin and the school-prefect demeanour of Seán Cavanagh. The blond and animated Owen Mulligan blends in perfectly with the diffident genius of Stephen O'Neill. Brian Dooher's place in Gaelic football lore has already been cemented – the bionic man, one of the greats.
All of these players command attention. Gormley is frequently a less vivid presence but he is always in the background, always putting out fires with the minimal of fuss, sorting out rows, settling issues. He has quietly become the player without whom it is difficult to imagine this Tyrone team.
"Yeah, the unsung hero," says Liam Bradley, whose Antrim team met Tyrone in the Ulster final in July. "He doesn't hog the limelight and he is probably Tyrone's most consistent player in that whether it is the McKenna Cup or the championship, he is out there doing his thing. They can play him anywhere, really, in the back division and even in midfield. He is a hard, robust kind of player and he reads the game very well. He might just lack that half yard of pace and that is why he has come to play the more central roles in defence.
"We knew he would probably pick up one of our stronger players, like Michael McCann in the Ulster final and he is suited to those kind of forwards. I would expect to see him on one of Cork's big men this weekend, maybe Pearse O'Neill. But he is the kind of player that anyone would want on their team. People used to talk about Francie Bellew's understated importance to Armagh and I think the same is true with Tyrone and Conor Gormley."
ARMAGH FOOTBALL people must have bemoaned Bellew's absence from the back three in early summer when Gormley himself drifted behind the full-back line and rattled home a rare goal that pushed the match incontrovertibly in Tyrone's favour. He even managed to strip all glory from that cameo, head down as he moved back up field, a study in stoicism. Like all of the Tyrone players, he is assured on the ball and he does take the opportunity to break forward but it is the task of prevention, of shutting down the brightest lights in Gaelic football that he takes most seriously. He is not particularly tall, at 5ft 10ins and he generally wears an inscrutable expression on the football field and pretty much every referee in the country knows his innocent-schoolboy look by now.
Two years ago, when Meath and Tyrone met in the All-Ireland quarter-final, the decision was made to send Gormley over to shadow Stephen Bray, who had kicked three wonderful points and was showing for every ball, threatening to go to town. The duel that followed was a riveting aside to the match – which Meath won. It was as though Gormley and Bray had been fused into one, so tough and embittered were their battles for possession. Bray won his fair share but other times it seemed as if the Meath man had the ball and then Gormley closed in and somehow, by some sleight of hand, he came away with possession. Bray did not score again in the match.
"The greater need was there so Conor was switched over," Donnelly acknowledges. "And it is true a lot of times, he is the go-to man if a forward is causing problems. He is prepared to do whatever, he doesn't feel he has to have this central role the whole time. He played a totally different game this year against Derry covering the space in front of the two Bradleys and he snuffed out the threat there. He is a very intelligent player."
Chris Lawn has spoken of his introduction to the last 20 minutes of the All-Ireland final of 2005. Lawn was a veteran of the hot season of 1995 when Tyrone lost narrowly in the All-Ireland final against Dublin. He owed nothing to the Red Hand cause and he has known plenty of bad days as well and placing him in the middle of a game of that magnitude was another show of faith by Mickey Harte. As the first ball fell from the sky towards Lawn, he heard someone say, "Attack it, attack it Chris. I'm covering your back." It was Gormley. Lawn went for the ball, claimed it and went on to have a storming last 20 minutes.
"That is the kind of communicator Conor is," Donnelly says. "He manages things around him and keeps players right and a lot of it goes unnoticed."
GORMLEY IS NOT above off-days – he spent a notably uncomfortable hour last summer chasing Mayo's Conor Mortimer around Croke Park. Mortimer seemed to have the pace and guile to wasp in and around Gormley's vicinity without once getting swatted. "In the early part of the game, in particular, that was happening," agrees Donnelly. "But I do think Conor came to grips. Also, Conor Mortimer is a very good forward and he was getting excellent supply in that first half. Things were happening further down the field that were causing that. But Conor is prepared to recognise there will be times when forwards will cause problems and he just keeps at it."
The traditional term for a defender like Gormley would be along the lines of "an enforcer". But what the Carrickmore man does for Tyrone is much more subtle and darker than that. Often, he is the point at which an opposition attack reaches the end of the line. Promising moves cease to be. One of the most familiar sights of this modern Tyrone team is of Gormley calmly emerging from a tangle of footballers with the ball, deliberating his next pass and often wearing the hang-dog expression, as if he privately regretted he could not allow the forwards to have their fun.
Flash back to that Sunday afternoon in September, 2003, when Tyrone had toppled Armagh and much more besides. Because of Tyrone's history – political and sporting – that team had shifted much more beside. And it was not the prettiest of games. It revealed nothing of the intricacies and marvels that lay in their future All-Ireland wins. It was a low-scoring, nervous match on an All-Ireland final day that had never been so intensely local. Again and again, dressingroom conversation turned to that block. Eventually, Gormley was asked about it.
"I just had to get back in there," he said. "That's my job. I can't really recall it. You don't get a chance to think about it. But I got up and the ball was still there, Tony McEntee got it back across but we scrambled it across the line. Tough going."
Since then, Gormley has won two more All-Ireland medals and two more All-Stars. Nothing he has done in those seasons has matched that block in terms of fame and electric drama. Instead, he has done the small, important things again and again. It was as if he used up his quotient for drama in that one act. But it was enough. It won't be forgotten.
And another from today's Irish Times:
Tyrone to profit from relentless pressing
SEÁN MORAN
Cork v Tyrone: THE MOST eagerly-awaited of this year's senior All-Ireland semi-finals brings together the two sides that have showed the most consistent form all summer. There is also the sense of uncertainty brought about by the teams' different styles and the fact they have no recent championship history.
Cork's fortified credentials are based on the team's greater apparent resilience over the past two seasons and the manner in which Conor Counihan has blended his own team from up-and-coming talent allied to the imposing physique of some more experienced practitioners.
Most commonly the team is noted for its size and pace. These are both important weapons against Tyrone who don't have a conventionally big centrefield and will be vulnerable in the air.
Of course what happens when the high ball is won? In their best matches, Cork have used possession to fuel high-octane attacks from the half-backs. Limerick disrupted this but their manager Mickey Ned O'Sullivan's theory that Cork would be vulnerable in that match because of the impossibility of playing at the pace they did against Kerry on a sustained basis was proved correct.
In the event the Munster champions escaped.
The trouble against Tyrone is that winning the ball is all too possible, as Kerry know, but using it constructively is an entirely different matter. Cork may rule the air but they can't assume that they will control the breaks as well.
Kildare flourished in the quarter-final by anticipating this and getting Dermot Earley to flick possession to a team-mate when his landing strip looked too crowded. In the end the challengers hadn't sufficient firepower to exploit the success of the tactic.
Seán Cavanagh has been returned to the attack with Enda McGinley back at centrefield. This brings him face-to-face with his Ireland vice-captain Graham Canty, who will test him defensively as well as marking tightly but he's too much of an orchestrator to implement the in-your-face style that can disrupt Cavanagh.
It's hard to imagine that Canty and John Miskella will get to make their searing breaks with the sort of facility that Donegal – or even Kerry in the replay – permitted but they are mobile and not afraid of contact.
Tyrone make one major concession to the perceived needs of the match by moving Justin McMahon out to centre back in order to counter the height and ball winning of Pearse O'Neill for whom the Cork centrefield frequently part to allow kick-outs be directed straight down on the opposition 40.
McMahon won't have any positional difficulty but committing Conor Gormley to full back removes him as a sweeper, a role that has been important to the team.
Cork have scored well throughout the championship but can become frustrated if the match fails to flow for them. Michael Cussen on the bench could yet test the Ulster champions under quick, high ball in a manner that Kerry proved unable to do last year but the likelihood is that Tyrone's work-rate and relentless pressing will ultimately squeeze the life out of formidable opponents.
CORK: A Quirke; R Carey, M Shields, A Lynch; N O'Leary, G Canty, J Miskella; A O'Connor, N Murphy; P Kerrigan, P O'Neill, P Kelly; D Goulding, C O'Neill, D O'Connor.
TYRONE: P McConnell; PJ Quinn, C Gormley, R McMenamin; D Harte, Justin McMahon, P Jordan; K Hughes, E McGinley; B Dooher, S Cavanagh, Joe McMahon; M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan.
Referee: John Bannon (Longford).
In the last episode: The counties have no championship history to speak of. Most recently – all of 36 years ago – Cork, on the way to winning the All-Ireland, won easily by 5-10 to 2-4.
You bet: Tyrone are clear favourites at 7/10 with Cork at 8/5. The draw is 15/2. Not much happening on the handicap with Cork (+1) 11/10 and Tyrone (-1) 10/11.
On your marks: Cork's best displays have involved using their half-back line as a platform for attack. This requires clear superiority in the central diamond. Against Kerry and Donegal that was delivered but Limerick's centrefield spoiled the party and Cork struggled. Tyrone don't have the aerial power of O'Donovan and Galvin but their ground game is peerless.
Gaining ground: Although Cork are no strangers to Croke Park, they don't have the same positive experiences of the venue as do their opponents, who haven't lost an All-Ireland semi-final since the defeat by Meath 13 years ago. Cork could counter that they haven't lost a semi-final here to anyone except Kerry for 14 years. But that's still a lot of semi-finals.
Just the ticket: Stand €45 with concessionary refund available for students and senior citizens in the Cusack and Davin. Hill 16 terrace, €30. Accompanied juveniles, €5 in sections of the Cusack and Davin.
Crystal gazing: No one doubts Cork's potential to menace Tyrone but realising such potential has never been straightforward for teams. Weather and conditions are expected to assist the claustrophobic game plan that the Ulster champions will deploy, giving them the edge.
Having flip flopped all week about the likely winner I've done so again and I'm leaning towards Cork now. Why? Well Tyrone, despite their ability have been beaten by some fairly average teams over the past few years, none moreso than Down last year. Cork aren't an average team and their pace and size will pose problems, can Tyrone deal with a team that has blown away Monaghan and Donegal in it's last two visits to CP? McGinley could find the pace tough going after the layoff and Cork have scorers all over the field can they all be contained? You could make a good argument for either team but I feel if Cork deliver, we know Tyrone will, they'll win. Now I'll be back in an hour to tell ye why I think Tyrone will win!
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Having flip flopped all week about the likely winner I've done so again and I'm leaning towards Cork now. Why? Well Tyrone, despite their ability have been beaten by some fairly average teams over the past few years, none moreso than Down last year. Cork aren't an average team and their pace and size will pose problems, can Tyrone deal with a team that has blown away Monaghan and Donegal in it's last two visits to CP? McGinley could find the pace tough going after the layoff and Cork have scorers all over the field can they all be contained? You could make a good argument for either team but I feel if Cork deliver, we know Tyrone will, they'll win. Now I'll be back in an hour to tell ye why I think Tyrone will win!
How many all-irelands have cork won?
How many big games in Croker have Cork won?
Match ups 1-15. Tyrone ahead in about 5 more positions than Cork
Tyrone for me- by 3-4points. Can't see all this optimism regarding Cork. They are playing the 3 time all-ireland champions tomorrow- not the boy scouts.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
How many all-irelands have cork won?
How many big games in Croker have Cork won?
Ye got to start somewhere. Tyronoe won their first ever AI by defeating the defending Champions. What goes around....
And AI champions are never beaten?
QuoteHow many all-irelands have cork won?
As irrelevant a question as has ever been asked, how many did Tyrone win pre-2003 or Armagh pre-2002, how about Derry pre-1993, Donegal (92), Down (91), Galway (98), Meath (87), Cork (89)?
QuoteHow many big games in Croker have Cork won?
What defines a big game? They have a pretty good recent record in CP outside of their meetings with Kerry and the two most recent of those were a draw and narrow loss so that isn't bad.
QuoteMatch ups 1-15. Tyrone ahead in about 5 more positions than Cork
With respect that's opinion not fact.
QuoteCan't see all this optimism regarding Cork.
They have 6 new starters from last years semi final and have contested 3 of the last 4 U21 AI finals, winning two. So it is safe to say they have talent coming through, nobody will be surprised if Tyrone win but Cork have a better chance of breaking the recent duoploly than any team since Armagh 2005.
Point 1- I don't think Cork are as good as Tyrone. The match ups prove that in my opinion.
Point 2- The same Cork team with the nucleus of the same players hasn't won a game against any of the top 3 in Cork Park. Have they improved that much? I don't think so personally. And in my view there is no evidence to suggest they have. If they beat Tyrone tomorrow thats evidence. But thats post the event rather than pre the event. ie- an actual achievement.
Point 3- With all due respect you keep harping on about the u21's. How many of them are playing tomorrow? Maybe 3?
There are real areas of concern for me in the Cork full back line and the Cork half forward line. Especially the former who unless Cork change their game plan will be left exposed with no cover.
I also think Tyrone will be stung into action with all the talk of Cork going to beat them.
I can see Cork winning this game tomorrow, it will be close but I think this is the game where they fulfill their potential and I think they will win the AI.
I hope i am wrong as i am an Ulster man second but I wont be too upset should tyrone lose.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 22, 2009, 09:50:25 AM
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 22, 2009, 02:33:26 AM
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Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 21, 2009, 10:48:44 PM
I know we need to talk about something, but what's all the speculation over the Tyrone's positional changes, don't you listen to the commentators/pundits/columnists... that "positions mean so little nowadays ... and ... Tyrone's ability to play anywhere on the field.." (among some of the most abused phrases) ::)
Quite surprised by that talk myself. A fit McGinley was always likely to come back into the team and with Penrose playing so well Tommy was the most likely to drop to the bench. No surprise there. As for Justy and Block swapping numbers its no big deal, the Tyrone defenders often switch positions during matches and the numbers on their backs are pretty irrelevant.
Just another way of trying to keep the Cork half backs on the back foot really.
you know 020304 tir Eoghan...you havent been on this board long yet you suffer from that innnate, and unjustifed, Tymoan arrogance. A little more humbleness wouldnt go amiss. Those Cork half backs might cause you more trouble than you think on Sunday.
How does stating Tyrones positional switches is another way of
trying to keep Corks half backs on the back foot
seem arrogant to you? If you look back to an earlier part of this thread, ive stated that this will be Tyrones hardest
test for a number of years. In fact, its a game i think Tyrone will lose. As regards longevity on this board, what has
that got to do with anything?
Quote from: rrhf on August 22, 2009, 12:46:53 PM
I woke up this morning, with a thought in my head that I cant get rid of. You know what Im going to tell you we are gonna blow Cork off the field tomorrow.
I had a dream the other night that we stuffed them, was 11 points to 3 at one stage...
(http://merlin.pl/Dreams-Can-Come-True-Greates-Vol-1_Gabrielle,images_big,7,5893762.jpg)
Aw jaysus, so much for the quiet optimism...
Tyrone to squeeze past IMO. The buzzzzzzzz is starting here.
Much of a crowd expected ?
Could there be 60,000? Would be a massive turn out if there was. But with the price of the tickets I'd say 45-50,000 is more realistic.
I thought the U2 revenue would have made it reasonable to drop the price a bit, obviously the GAA is looking down the post-soccer/post-rugby road and togging it a bit.
QuotePoint 1- I don't think Cork are as good as Tyrone. The match ups prove that in my opinion.
I don't think they are either but I think they are good enough to beat Tyrone and match ups are only good for paper, on the day a guy can come off second best to an inferior player.
QuotePoint 2- The same Cork team with the nucleus of the same players hasn't won a game against any of the top 3 in Cork Park. Have they improved that much? I don't think so personally. And in my view there is no evidence to suggest they have. If they beat Tyrone tomorrow thats evidence. But thats post the event rather than pre the event. ie- an actual achievement.
Who are the top 3? And anyway they haven't had the opportunity to play any of the big teams outside of Kerry in the past 3 years, so it isn't like they've a poor record against the best teams, in most cases they've no record. As for evidence, they hammered a Donegal team that beat Derry and two years ago the only sneaked past Donegal by a point. They started this year in division 2 but romped out of it hammering Monaghan in the final and earlier this year you said they'd missed their chance against Kerry but they beat them pulling up in the replay. All evidence that they've improved.
QuotePoint 3- With all due respect you keep harping on about the u21's. How many of them are playing tomorrow? Maybe 3?
Ahh no I don't, in fact I've hardly mentioned them at all but of the 3 U21 AI final teams they have 6 by my count with 3 or 4 of the likely subs from those teams as well.
My only concern with Cork is they aren't battle hardend at this level and could be blown away but Cork teams don't tend to be mentally weak and this team has a good blend of youth and experience. Tyrone were blown away by Sligo in 2002 yet only 12 months later they were AI champions with a fair few recent graduates from successful U21 teams, Cork are in a similar position now. Like I say I wouldn't be putting my house on Cork but they have a real good chance IMO and there is plenty of evidence to support that opinion.
Obviosuly Tyrone are extremely talented but in my view the thing that has set them apart from most teams is their fitness and willingness to work for each other and also their ability to stick to the plan no matter who is in the team. I believe that Cork will match them for fitness and desire to work. I believe they have the best central unit(5-12) in the country on ability alone. I would have concernes about their fitness in the MF and also of those players in the middle I am not totally convicned about Alan O'Connor. I played against him this year and he is Junior club player with size and strenght. He could be a weak link so I reckon Fintan Gould should be ready to come in at a very early stage. I know everyone talks about the strenght of the CHB, MF and CHF but I reckon the winning of the game will be on how the Miskella, O'Leary, Kerrigan and in particular Pa Kelly play. Everyone knows what Miskella and O'Leary will do, Kerrigan is a speed merchant who can be devastating when he runs, Kelly in my view though is key. he is the link man around the middle, he picks up loose ball, has a lovely eye and foot( I played with him in Ballincollig and he can find you with most passes) and he is under the radar somewhat. I think he will have a big game and will bring a lot extra to the Cork attack. Jordan has been as strong this year as previous years and if there s a weak link in the Tyrone HB line it will be him.
my ploy of holding off until the last minute to buy tickets has paid off. Just got two tickets for the lower cusack 309 in row SS so far back enough to stay out of the rain!
Good luck to both teams and hopefully the red hands prevail!
Tyrone 1-15 Cork 1-13
Getting really excited now...... Com'on
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 22, 2009, 05:05:46 PM
Obviosuly Tyrone are extremely talented but in my view the thing that has set them apart from most teams is their fitness and willingness to work for each other and also their ability to stick to the plan no matter who is in the team. I believe that Cork will match them for fitness and desire to work. I believe they have the best central unit(5-12) in the country on ability alone. I would have concernes about their fitness in the MF and also of those players in the middle I am not totally convicned about Alan O'Connor. I played against him this year and he is Junior club player with size and strenght. He could be a weak link so I reckon Fintan Gould should be ready to come in at a very early stage. I know everyone talks about the strenght of the CHB, MF and CHF but I reckon the winning of the game will be on how the Miskella, O'Leary, Kerrigan and in particular Pa Kelly play. Everyone knows what Miskella and O'Leary will do, Kerrigan is a speed merchant who can be devastating when he runs, Kelly in my view though is key. he is the link man around the middle, he picks up loose ball, has a lovely eye and foot( I played with him in Ballincollig and he can find you with most passes) and he is under the radar somewhat. I think he will have a big game and will bring a lot extra to the Cork attack. Jordan has been as strong this year as previous years and if there s a weak link in the Tyrone HB line it will be him.
At the start of the season I picked Cork as All-Ireland champions and Pa Kelly to get player of the year. He doesn't seem to get the plaudits he deserves though - rarely wastes a ball.
I hope I'm wrong on both accounts though. Looking forward to a humdinger.
Fear - that what I have felt since the Antrim game will come to light: Tyrone have peaked in the previous year and their old hands - Jordan, Gormley, Ricey etc have lost that yard that made them the best in the country at what they do. Those players have some mileage from '97, and '03 in particular.
Hope - that the above is bullshit and that Tyrone deliver a performance to confirm that they are still the kingpins and those players capable of rising to even greater heights.
Tyrone to storm into an early lead and hold the advantage - Tyrone 0-15 Cork 0-13.
How good
ARE Cork?
is there a meeting place for a few pints tomorrow before the match
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
How good ARE Cork?
Thats the thing. Have they been really tested yet? I hope for a great game tomorrow, end to end stuff. It has the potential to be the best game this year. My fear is that Tyrone will blow them out early on, Cork'll lie down and the red hands will canter through.
Don't think there is any chance Cork will lie down but I am concerned they may have too many young players to be able to live with this Tyrone team. If most of those younger players stand up to the challenge facing them we'll get a real beauty of a game. Where are the Tyrone lads here going before the game, we'll be up around 12 and were looking for a tyrone pub beforehand?
I'd say the team that turns the least amount of ball over will win this game
especially against the run of play with the fact that both back lines like to forage forward,
that and Packies kick outs will be key for us!
Jaysus she's a wet one. Hopefully memories of Down '03, Down '05 and Dublin '08 rekindled.
And good luck to Armagh too.
I'm off.
This is what it's about. Up to the smell of a fry cooked by the mother who was up earlier than the rest of us and her not even going.
Setting off now, it'll be a very damp day in the uncovered Lower Hogan. I feel sick and it's not a hangover. Please please please God let us win.
All have a safe journey and here's hoping for an Ulster double.
Couldn't make up my mind about this one for weeks. Finally going for Cork more or less on the same basis as the fear factors O'Neill laid out. Tyrone can't go on forever and they have already been at the top for longer than the average top team. Cork look like the team to do it - they were hugely impressive to me in the semi-final two years ago - intensity (buzzword of the season, it seems) like I'd never seen before; though we were no real test for them then. This team has improved massively since then, in personnel, attitude and tactics and if they play to their best, could be unstoppable, especially with their big physical advantage.
Two major reservations:
- what Limerick were able to do to them raises doubts because what Limerick can do, Tyrone can do in their sleep. On the other hand, what Kildare almost did to Tyrone, Cork can do in spades.
- the game could be won on the sideline and Tyrone have the huge advantage here.
If this is the end for Tyrone it could happen in a big and painful way. On that basis I've had a small flutter on Cork by 6-10 points at 7.6.
A great one to look forward to anyway.
Quote from: Hardy on August 23, 2009, 10:18:10 AM
Tyrone can't go on forever and they have already been at the top for longer than the average top team. -10 points at 7.6.
I wouldn't agree that Tyrone have been at the top for a long time, more up and down for a long time.
This is the first time they are seriously in the reckoning for 2 years in a row. Some major barrier has been overcome.
In my mind, Tyrone are the firm favourites with Cork (like Kildare) quite capable of beating them.
It won't surprise me to see the Tyrone tactical game gaining the upper hand over Cork's strengths.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 22, 2009, 05:05:46 PM
Obviosuly Tyrone are extremely talented but in my view the thing that has set them apart from most teams is their fitness and willingness to work for each other and also their ability to stick to the plan no matter who is in the team. I believe that Cork will match them for fitness and desire to work. I believe they have the best central unit(5-12) in the country on ability alone. I would have concernes about their fitness in the MF and also of those players in the middle I am not totally convicned about Alan O'Connor. I played against him this year and he is Junior club player with size and strenght. He could be a weak link so I reckon Fintan Gould should be ready to come in at a very early stage. I know everyone talks about the strenght of the CHB, MF and CHF but I reckon the winning of the game will be on how the Miskella, O'Leary, Kerrigan and in particular Pa Kelly play. Everyone knows what Miskella and O'Leary will do, Kerrigan is a speed merchant who can be devastating when he runs, Kelly in my view though is key. he is the link man around the middle, he picks up loose ball, has a lovely eye and foot( I played with him in Ballincollig and he can find you with most passes) and he is under the radar somewhat. I think he will have a big game and will bring a lot extra to the Cork attack. Jordan has been as strong this year as previous years and if there s a weak link in the Tyrone HB line it will be him.
My opinion on Kerrigan so far in the championship is that he's a bit of a flat track bully.
The sort of player that looks great when the team is winning by 10 points but tends to disappear in tight games.
Maybe that's a bit unfair but I will be watching him very closely today.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2009, 07:42:22 AM
Jaysus she's a wet one. Hopefully memories of Down '03, Down '05 and Dublin '08 rekindled.
And good luck to Armagh too.
I'm off.
Weather not as bad as expected, it looks like we got the worst of it overnight. Heres hoping for a good game. Think Tyrone will win handy enough.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2009, 12:27:56 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 22, 2009, 05:05:46 PM
Obviosuly Tyrone are extremely talented but in my view the thing that has set them apart from most teams is their fitness and willingness to work for each other and also their ability to stick to the plan no matter who is in the team. I believe that Cork will match them for fitness and desire to work. I believe they have the best central unit(5-12) in the country on ability alone. I would have concernes about their fitness in the MF and also of those players in the middle I am not totally convicned about Alan O'Connor. I played against him this year and he is Junior club player with size and strenght. He could be a weak link so I reckon Fintan Gould should be ready to come in at a very early stage. I know everyone talks about the strenght of the CHB, MF and CHF but I reckon the winning of the game will be on how the Miskella, O'Leary, Kerrigan and in particular Pa Kelly play. Everyone knows what Miskella and O'Leary will do, Kerrigan is a speed merchant who can be devastating when he runs, Kelly in my view though is key. he is the link man around the middle, he picks up loose ball, has a lovely eye and foot( I played with him in Ballincollig and he can find you with most passes) and he is under the radar somewhat. I think he will have a big game and will bring a lot extra to the Cork attack. Jordan has been as strong this year as previous years and if there s a weak link in the Tyrone HB line it will be him.
My opinion on Kerrigan so far in the championship is that he's a bit of a flat track bully.
The sort of player that looks great when the team is winning by 10 points but tends to disappear in tight games.
Maybe that's a bit unfair but I will be watching him very closely today.
I would have said that last year but he has more substance to himself this year, maybe the father had a word in his ear!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
Having flip flopped all week about the likely winner I've done so again and I'm leaning towards Cork now. Why? Well Tyrone, despite their ability have been beaten by some fairly average teams over the past few years, none moreso than Down last year. Cork aren't an average team and their pace and size will pose problems, can Tyrone deal with a team that has blown away Monaghan and Donegal in it's last two visits to CP? McGinley could find the pace tough going after the layoff and Cork have scorers all over the field can they all be contained? You could make a good argument for either team but I feel if Cork deliver, we know Tyrone will, they'll win. Now I'll be back in an hour to tell ye why I think Tyrone will win!
How many all-irelands have cork won?
How many big games in Croker have Cork won?
Match ups 1-15. Tyrone ahead in about 5 more positions than Cork
Tyrone for me- by 3-4points. Can't see all this optimism regarding Cork. They are playing the 3 time all-ireland champions tomorrow- not the boy scouts.
cork are always underestimated on the national stage, their a big physical team with a lot of speed and are well capable of beating tyrone today. i've looked forward to this game for weeks but weather like this always scares me as a kerry fan, anything can happen with a slippery surface and wet ball. if cork win today its far from the end of tyrone as we've seen before. take it handy on the roads.
ps 15/2 a draw
Anyone any links to the games today?
Tyrone by six. Mulligan two goals.
yea does anyone have any links to the game today?
Does anyone know where we can get this on the internet (outside of Ireland)?
Cheers
try this
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=46874&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=46874&part=sports)
that link only seems to work for within the IOI
Nope
justin.tv worked for me when I was on holiday in the summer. Try it and search for gaa??
Quote from: supersub on August 23, 2009, 02:57:52 PM
justin.tv worked for me when I was on holiday in the summer. Try it and search for gaa??
all the links have been shut down. always links up until about 2 weeks ago.
ah right hadnt searched was just shoutin!
Just stuck a fiver on Tyrone (last of the big spenders!).
Whilst Cork have looked good, I don't think they have really been tested this year (apart from one Sunday in Scotstown - and we all seen what happened then :P).
I think Tyrone will start a lot quicker than they did against Kildare and expect them to win by 3-4.
RTE are saying he has a "tummy bug"...McGuigan comes in for him...
she's like Jarlath with blonde hair
Point a piece!
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 23, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
Just stuck a fiver on Tyrone (last of the big spenders!).
Whilst Cork have looked good, I don't think they have really been tested this year (apart from one Sunday in Scotstown - and we all seen what happened then :P).
I think Tyrone will start a lot quicker than they did against Kildare and expect them to win by 3-4.
I've a few pound on tyrone too, whoever wins I'll be happy. ;)
Cork got a goal very poor marking by Tyrone
Tyrone full back line getting roasted!
There should be a ban on Bannon.
Did you get a link highlander?
I'm listening to it on the radio
Cork have to keep it up if they want to win
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 03:41:23 PM
There should be a ban on Bannon.
he scored a nice point after missing that first easy one ::)
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 23, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 03:41:23 PM
There should be a ban on Bannon.
he scored a nice point after missing that first easy one ::)
Gormley
did touch the ball on the ground before picking it up properly.
Don't mind those 2 muppets on RTE.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2009, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 23, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 03:41:23 PM
There should be a ban on Bannon.
he scored a nice point after missing that first easy one ::)
Gormley did touch the ball on the ground before picking it up properly.
Don't mind those 2 muppets on RTE.
McMahon got a boot under his though.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 03:41:57 PM
Did you get a link highlander?
I'm listening to it on the radio
Cork have to keep it up if they want to win
Can you post the link pog?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2009, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 23, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 03:41:23 PM
There should be a ban on Bannon.
he scored a nice point after missing that first easy one ::)
Gormley did touch the ball on the ground before picking it up properly.
Don't mind those 2 muppets on RTE.
That's what I thought. He was reaching and definitely looked like he touched it on the ground. The bit RTE showed was him lifting the ball properly just after.
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2009, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 23, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 03:41:23 PM
There should be a ban on Bannon.
he scored a nice point after missing that first easy one ::)
Gormley did touch the ball on the ground before picking it up properly.
Don't mind those 2 muppets on RTE.
McMahon got a boot under his though.
Maybe - the replay didn't exactly clarify it.
Tyrone like "STARTLED EARWIGS" ??
Quote from: stew on August 23, 2009, 03:52:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 03:41:57 PM
Did you get a link highlander?
I'm listening to it on the radio
Cork have to keep it up if they want to win
Can you post the link pog?
http://www.rte.ie/radio/index.html (http://www.rte.ie/radio/index.html)
its on radio 1
Must say I think Tyrone are getting very little from Bannon. All marginal decisions seem to be going Cork's way.
what's the score? gotta be nearly over by now
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 23, 2009, 03:57:58 PM
Must say I think Tyrone are getting very little from Bannon. All marginal decisions seem to be going Cork's way.
Was thinking that myself.. he must have a few euro on cork
1-09 0-06 to cork
A o'connor just been sent off!
Quote from: supersub on August 23, 2009, 04:00:20 PM
1-09 0-06 to cork
A o'connor just been sent off!
Jeysus Bannon! Not even a free.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 23, 2009, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 23, 2009, 03:57:58 PM
Must say I think Tyrone are getting very little from Bannon. All marginal decisions seem to be going Cork's way.
Was thinking that myself.. he must have a few euro on cork
He must have a few euro on tyrone
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 23, 2009, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 23, 2009, 03:57:58 PM
Must say I think Tyrone are getting very little from Bannon. All marginal decisions seem to be going Cork's way.
Was thinking that myself.. he must have a few euro on cork
He just blew it if so.
Sounds like a terrible sending off decision, that could cost Cork dearly.
it took bannon all of 15 seconds to get his first decision wrong and he got worse after that. cant believe o connor got the line for nothing
If the game turns on that decision Bannon might need to go to ground for a long time.
I thought the Cork players were protesting at Dooher's 2 hops but it looks like he sent O'Connor off for the glance that caused Mugsy's dive.
Absolutely ridiculous refereeing, the first yellow was wrong, he obviously slipped on the surface - no intent to trip him . A free only . And I don't know what the second yellow was for. . . . and Im shouting for Tyrone
I think both sets of fans are booing Bannon. ;D
Terrible ref. Off both christmas card lists anyway
look at the speed of cork. . . long way to go and anyones game but . . look at the speed of cork
Are u having a laugh son the first tackle would have been a red card in soccer never mind gaelic, he cynically took him out with a slide tackle. Second one was debatable
There is no doubt that Cork are a better team, If Tyrone win this it will because of one decision.
Cork will still win. They're a savage outfit. Bannon's decision a f**king joke. He was correct with the two pick ups that the RTE lads said were wrong but the second yellow? FFS. And Dooher overcarried as well.
First yellow card was for O'Connor slipping as far as I could see.
Bannon's last year on the inter-county roster. I never rated him so I won't miss him.
I hate always having a go at the ref as it is a thankless task, but they do end up having such a big bearing on these games, maybe they need more help.
Tyrone starting to come back into it, but they do still seem to be very flat today, i expect that we will see SC soon they need the lift
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
Yep, Bannon is having a disaster. Up until the sending off, he was giving everything to Cork, then he tried to even it out!
To be fair to Mulligan, i'm not sure it was a dive - his momentum was carrying him on anyway.
Brolly's comments on Bannon are priceless!
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
You can't say that either. Look at how Tyrone turned it around against Kildare. Tyrone may well win, regardless of whether it was against 14 or 15 men.
Referee loathe to penalise Tyrone for overcarrying. Sending off very very wrong. Cork will be very aggrieved .
Very interesting match though. Expect Tyrone to bare their teeth in the 2nd half.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 23, 2009, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
You can't say that either. Look at how Tyrone turned it around against Kildare. Tyrone may well win, regardless of whether it was against 14 or 15 men.
Sure, it can't be said with certainty but if any team is equipped to play with a spare man it is Tyrone. McMenamin would be the ideal man for this role I'd imagine. But on the evidence of the first half Tyrone can't live with the pace and power of Cork and if they had a full complement I would be convinced they would win well. Now I;m not so sure.
I cant believe i am about to say this, but in this case i dont think that Mulligan dived, thou in fairness he has dived often enough in the past
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 23, 2009, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
You can't say that either. Look at how Tyrone turned it around against Kildare. Tyrone may well win, regardless of whether it was against 14 or 15 men.
Cork are a far superior outfit to Kildare.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
Ah ffs will ya cop on, its only a game.
Bannon is pathetic. Neither challenge was a yellow. Mulligan has already done two dives. One for a arm around the neck and the 2nd for the invisible foul. I'd love to see the GAA ban him from the all ireland final if tyrone win. Dooher head down charge getting a free was also pathetic. I hope Cork go on and win and I started the game wanting a win for the Ulster team.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2009, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 23, 2009, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
You can't say that either. Look at how Tyrone turned it around against Kildare. Tyrone may well win, regardless of whether it was against 14 or 15 men.
Cork are a far superior outfit to Kildare.
Thats true but, how many times do you see teams play totally different btw halves, still think Tyrone need to but on SC if he is at all fit
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2009, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 23, 2009, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
You can't say that either. Look at how Tyrone turned it around against Kildare. Tyrone may well win, regardless of whether it was against 14 or 15 men.
Cork are a far superior outfit to Kildare.
Superior yes, but football isn't an exact science - that's my point.
Tyrone have the ability to 'up' their game in the latter stages - they've shown this numerous times.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 23, 2009, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
Ah ffs will ya cop on, its only a game.
I dont think he meant literally.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 23, 2009, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
Ah ffs will ya cop on, its only a game.
and you wonder why mayo havent won sam for so long lol
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 23, 2009, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Cork destroyed Tyrone in that first half. If Tyrone win this Bannon should be hanged.
Ah ffs will ya cop on, its only a game.
Sorry lock me up now Ah ffs ya hardly think I mean literally.
As if the Connaught Final wasn't enough Bannon is making a b**lox of this game as well....I've said it before, but the standard of refereeing this year is pathetic...Serious need for it to be looked at.....
Another decision wrong there, it should have been a red card that time.
I think someone else will get the line before this is over. Getting niggly now.
fuckin cork fouling bastards just round the neck the whole time. if you're gonna win a game play football for the whole game not half it and then foul the rest. Fuckin tramps
its getting fierce niggly now.
Quote from: supersub on August 23, 2009, 04:33:18 PM
fuckin cork fouling b**tards just round the neck the whole time. if you're gonna win a game play football for the whole game not half it and then foul the rest. Fuckin tramps
irony?
Quote from: supersub on August 23, 2009, 04:10:02 PM
Are u having a laugh son the first tackle would have been a red card in soccer never mind gaelic, he cynically took him out with a slide tackle. Second one was debatable
Back to the soccer with you then, his feet went from under him. No yellow card.
He slid in on him end of story
Getting a bit niggly in here too :D
Cork giving Tyrone lots of it and rightly so. Paul Kerrigan is some footballer.
tyrone look beaten to be honest. They need a miracle. Cork have surprised me.
Bannon is actually riding Tyrone. The sending off is a cover job and will not have the impact on the game that the award/non award of frees has.
Quote from: supersub on August 23, 2009, 04:36:52 PM
you're name sums u up u idiot.
He slid in on him end of story
Brilliant riposte, I can see why you're a sub.
Canty is a great player but is dirty, he is continue to foul even thou he is on a yellow
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 23, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
Canty is a great player but is dirty, he is continue to foul even thou he is on a yellow
He is hoping Bannon wont send him off. I wouldn't bet on it.
This is a load of shite hurling is a far better sport
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 23, 2009, 04:36:52 PM
you're name sums u up u idiot.
He slid in on him end of story
Brilliant riposte, I can see why you're a sub.
two funny boys, i needed a laugh.
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 23, 2009, 04:36:52 PM
you're name sums u up u idiot.
He slid in on him end of story
Brilliant riposte, I can see why you're a sub.
Aw, lets not bite ;)
THis is a joke. I assume O'Neills shirt got ripped by himself! Miskella has to go.
another man to go??miskella?
Canning, Carney and Bannon are a letal cocktail altogether.
JOKE
Miskella lucky to only get yellow.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
THis is a joke. I assume O'Neills shirt got ripped by himself! Miskella has to go.
Show it again. It looked to me like McGuigan made a complete meal of it but I'd like to see it again.
Bannon f**king bottled that one. Shameful.
Cop out by bannon. I suppose that evens it up now.
i hate the thought of the langers in the final, i mean we'd like to beat tyrone if they could keep a date. they need miracle now tho. .
miskells should have walked- bottom line.
Cork can have no complaints now about the ref 2 could have gone in this 2nd half, i dont why they are doing this, they are much the better team
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 04:47:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
THis is a joke. I assume O'Neills shirt got ripped by himself! Miskella has to go.
Show it again. It looked to me like McGuigan made a complete meal of it but I'd like to see it again.
Muppet - you're wrong there plain and simple.
score? how much time is left
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 23, 2009, 04:48:19 PM
Cork can have no complaints now about the ref 2 could have gone in this 2nd half, i dont why they are doing this, they are much the better team
because their playing tyrone and the only way to beat them is to beat them if you get my drift..
Bannon is giving absolutely nothing to Tyrone now, Miskella got a free there even though he pushed the Tyrone player.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 04:47:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
THis is a joke. I assume O'Neills shirt got ripped by himself! Miskella has to go.
Show it again. It looked to me like McGuigan made a complete meal of it but I'd like to see it again.
Muppet - you're wrong there plain and simple.
No hes never wrong...
1-12 0-9
1-12 to 9 for cork. 10 mins left
6 in it, 10 mins left. Tyrone look beaten to me, hope I am wrong.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 04:47:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
THis is a joke. I assume O'Neills shirt got ripped by himself! Miskella has to go.
Show it again. It looked to me like McGuigan made a complete meal of it but I'd like to see it again.
Muppet - you're wrong there plain and simple.
I presume we all saw the same clip from behind the goal and no other one.
I was watching McGuigan and saw what appeared to be an elbow from him. I couldn't see whether there was any contact, then I saw Miskella's hand at McGuigan's head. I don't know if it was an open hand or if it made any real contact before McGuigan went down.
Fair play to ye if ye saw exactly what happened from that one long range clip.
Tyrone a beaten ticket me thinks. What a pity. :(
Thats was a shocking decision for the foul of miskela
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 23, 2009, 04:56:41 PM
Tyrone a beaten ticket me thinks. What a pity. :(
No free there either never mind a card.
Cork showing an insatiable hunger. They will take beating. Tyrone are wilting all the way through the second half. Two totemic players like Dooher and Gormely taken off very early. Serious display by the Rebels. 1-13 to 0-10 now.
I thought that Tyrone did not match up well with Cork, mainly due to the size difference, but i thought today Tyrone were just not up for it, they never showed any fight today.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 23, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
Cork showing an insatiable hunger. They will take beating. Tyrone are wilting all the way through the second half. Two totemic players like Dooher and Gormely taken off very early. Serious display by the Rebels. 1-13 to 0-10 now.
And McGinley was taken off as well. This match is very reminiscent of the Kerry-Tyrone 03 semi final. Cork have been very impressive and deserved winners.
Canning and Carney are absolutely terrible commentators though. They are very hard to listen to.
not tyrones day, cork are really up for it and owned midfield. not even a goal will save tyrone now
I just hope that Cork can get the better of kerry for Sam ( sorry Meath i hope that i am wrong i just think Kerry will win next week, even thou i think you win give them a go)
I would be fearful of Cork in the final presuming we win our semifinal next Sunday. Cork look a serious outfit.
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
God, the crying's started already.
Shes over
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Is this the end of an era? heres hoping. ;D
Well done Cork and good luck in the final, I cant see ye being stopped by anybody such is your dominance.
Tyrone were some team, 3 AI in 6 years is a brilliant return and they can hold their heads high.
I think the years of wear and tear finally caught up with Tyrone, that and the fact that Cork were far hungrier on the day.
Pat Spillane enjoying twisting the knife in. ;D
Spillane was hilarious, Brolly was speechless.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
Now Seanie that is shite. Cork owned the 1st half and had a player sent off in the wrong. They were the better team in the 2nd too, although I agree Bannon gave them the benefit in a lot of chances. Cork would have won this game 15 v 15 without a doubt.
I think we have seen the birth of a new superpower of football in Cork, a young team with serious athleticism, power and skill. I think they will beat Kerry or Meath in the final. Tyrone fall short of becoming Ulsters greatest ever team (for this year)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 23, 2009, 05:07:10 PM
Pat Spillane enjoying twisting the knife in. ;D
Ya dont sugar coat it Pat, Kerry are team of the decade.... :D
Justice is served.
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Cork showed great hunger but I'd agree with Seanie. John Bannon was a disgrace today.
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
I cant agree with that, i thought that the ref was awful and probably more Cork players should have walked, but in fairness they probably would not have played like that if O'Connor had not been send of in the 1st half, and just overall Cork were much better than Tyrone
Cork:
O'Connor 0-5
Goulding 1-1
O'Neill 0-3
P O'Neill 0-1
Kelly 0-1
O'Connor 0-1
Tyrone:
S O'Neill 0-4
Mulligan 0-2
Penrose 0-1
Hughes 0-1
Jordan 0-1
McMenimin 0-1
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
God, the crying's started already.
What a load of bollix, they were beaten all over the park and physically they got abused, they were tired and they had a man advantage and couldnt make inroads on the defecit.
Cork did a tryone and slowed the game down, killed the clock and managed to Keep tyrone in it by shooting a bunch of wides.
Bannon should nto be allowed to ref an inter county team again, he is about as useless as Gough was. terrible referee altogether.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
Ah Seanie I think that's utter nonsense. Tyrone never looked like winning. Kept running into cul de sacs. They were six or so points behind when Bannon gave them a chance. Canty should have went. Miskella maybe. Would have made very little difference because Tyrone were jaded and Cork were energetic. Tyrone normally play smart ball but they kept taking the wrong option and the man in possession very rarely had someone in support.
Spllane just embarrassed himself again with another petty jibe at tyrone. He really is an asshole.
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 23, 2009, 05:10:21 PM
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Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
I cant agree with that, i thought that the ref was awful and probably more Cork players should have walked, but in fairness they probably would not have played like that if O'Connor had not been send of in the 1st half, and just overall Cork were much better than Tyrone
Exactly.
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Do you think if they got fair play they still would have lost?
Myles - Why should it have been 15 v. 15? It should have been 13 v. 15 with Canty and Miskella getting the line. Canty's was like McMenamins a few years ago and he fouled a few times directly after that. That's the way it was.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 23, 2009, 05:09:56 PM
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Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Cork showed great hunger but I'd agree with Seanie. John Bannon was a disgrace today.
For god sake there were 6 points in it, Cork played half the game with 14 men. So Bannon rode Tyrone a bit in the 2nd half but there is no way they deserved to win that match. What game were you watching?
Quote from: magickingdom on August 23, 2009, 04:49:58 PM
because their playing tyrone and the only way to beat them is to beat them if you get my drift..
I doubt Cork would be taking any advice from Kerry people on how to beat Tyrone ;).
Poor performance by Tyrone today, the loss of Cavanagh was a big blow but too many players who did start failed to reach the level required. Had a suspicion going into the game that Tyrone were not near the same standard as 2008 and had not been tested this year and that was proved correct really, they didnt have it like Tyrone teams of the past few years when Cork put it up to them. No disgrace in losing today, its been a truly magnficent Tyrone team and now we will see if this is the end of the era or can Mickey lift them and get them going again.
Refereeing performance was quite farcical at times and went some way to spoiling the match as a spectacle, surely Bannon will not get many more high profile games after that.
Well done to Cork on a well deserved victory. Some superb football in the first half and they did enough thereafter to hold Tyrone off. I hope they can go on now and do themselves justice in the final and win the All-Ireland title.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
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Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Do you think if they got fair play they still would have lost?
Myles - Why should it have been 15 v. 15? It should have been 13 v. 15 with Canty and Miskella getting the line. Canty's was like McMenamins a few years ago and he fouled a few times directly after that. That's the way it was.
Bannon gave Tyrone nothing- he absolutely rode them. But it wasn't a defining factor. Cork deserved it and could have won by more. To an extent thats the end of the current tyrone team. After Spillane's outburst I hope Cork knock seven shades of shite out of Kerry in the final if Kerry ebat Meath.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Do you think if they got fair play they still would have lost?
Myles - Why should it have been 15 v. 15? It should have been 13 v. 15 with Canty and Miskella getting the line. Canty's was like McMenamins a few years ago and he fouled a few times directly after that. That's the way it was.
Canty or Miskella wouldn't have done either of those things were it not for the first sending off. They took advantage of the fact that Bannon was always unlikely to send off a second Cork player when he probably had a feeling he was wrong to send off O'Connor. Tyrone would still have lost if it finished 13 v 15 imo.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
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Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Do you think if they got fair play they still would have lost?
Myles - Why should it have been 15 v. 15? It should have been 13 v. 15 with Canty and Miskella getting the line. Canty's was like McMenamins a few years ago and he fouled a few times directly after that. That's the way it was.
As many have said Cork got aggressive as they were (wrongly) down to 14, but even if they only had 13 they still would have won. Can you name one Tyrone player that got the better of his opposite?
Fair play to Mickey Harte - he says Cork deserved it, Cork were better. Tyrone are not dead yet and they'll be back contending next year.
A great day for all Armagh heads, our future stars, the minors kick the shite out of the animals and once again put them in their place and then the animals greatest enemy Cork destroy the former AI champions and the Armagh folk dont have to listen to the bogmen from Dungannon and ardboe etc honking their horns as hey sail past the roundabout the the foot of the Moy road.
:D :D
A great day in irish sport. Up Armagh.
Look - Tyrone despite everything hit he post late on and messed up a lot of possession late on trying for a goal. You don't get points for dominating games. Cork might have had more of the play but there was only 5 points in it at the end. We're not talking a total mauling. The writing of their obituary might be premature though one or wo might retire.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
Tyrone for me- by 3-4points. Can't see all this optimism regarding Cork. They are playing the 3 time all-ireland champions tomorrow- not the boy scouts.
Definitely not the boy scouts.... maybe the girl guides, but certianly not the boy scouts ;D.
Have we witnessed the passing of what has simply been a magnificent Tyrone team today and the emergence of a new power in football? Its hard to see a lot of those Tyrone players being on the scene next year and maybe Micky Harte too? A lot of milage on the clock maybe a freshening up of things might be no harm.
Better team won today regardless of referee decisions good, bad or indifferent. Crying about decisions not going your way and what could have happened if this or that went your way is just sour grapes. Miskella should have gone, O'Connor should not. Tyrone had an extra man for 50 minutes of the game and could not make it count. Wiped out at midfield and defense, Cork were just a far far better side. Cavanagh would not have made a big enough difference, simply no excuses but the fact that the far better team won.
Pat Spillane is a collosal gobshite too. Just childish garbage at the end there at least Brolly was smart enough not to rise to it. Or get up and smack the cnut in the gob. Bitter shitehawk.
Spillane- Tyrone dont have great individual players!!!
is he serious?!!
Bannon favoured Cork on tackling big time, he let Cork bully them physically, but saying that I still Cork would of won but of course it helped them win but alot was down to themselves not the ref. Even think Cork would of won with 13 men. Bannon definitly helped them thats undebateable IMO. Shite ref, useless, and good riddances to him.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
Look - Tyrone despite everything hit he post late on and messed up a lot of possession late on trying for a goal. You don't get points for dominating games. Cork might have had more of the play but there was only 5 points in it at the end. We're not talking a total mauling. The writing of their obituary might be premature though one or wo might retire.
It was a mauling, the only thing that kept tyrone half way in it was the squandermania of the Cork forwards, they were down a man and toothless tyrone scored what, four points in a half they needed to score at least ten to have any chance.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
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Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Do you think if they got fair play they still would have lost?
Myles - Why should it have been 15 v. 15? It should have been 13 v. 15 with Canty and Miskella getting the line. Canty's was like McMenamins a few years ago and he fouled a few times directly after that. That's the way it was.
Bannon gave Tyrone nothing- he absolutely rode them. But it wasn't a defining factor. Cork deserved it and could have won by more. To an extent thats the end of the current tyrone team. After Spillane's outburst I hope Cork knock seven shades of shite out of Kerry in the final if Kerry ebat Meath.
You bitter bitter little man
Cork were better, but the referee was the main factor in that.
This is a situation that happens so often in football; when a referee won't penalise heavy tackles with the appropriate punishment earlier in a game, that if a team pulls away, then it basically gives that winning team carte blanche to get away with what they like during the closing stages. Every one of them can afford a rash, even downright dangerous tackle during that time. It's almost impossible to play against as you can't get any rhythm.
Anyone praising Cork's style of football today who in the past has criticised Tyrone's tactics should be banned from GAA grounds for a year to reflect on their hypocrisy.
Quote from: stiffler on August 23, 2009, 05:20:45 PM
Spillane- Tyrone dont have great individual players!!!
is he serious?!!
not at all, he is on the wind.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2009, 05:22:57 PM
Cork were better, but the referee was the main factor in that.
This is a situation that happens so often in football; when a referee won't penalise heavy tackles with the appropriate punishment earlier in a game, that if a team pulls away, then it basically gives that winning team carte blanche to get away with what they like during the closing stages. Every one of them can afford a rash, even downright dangerous tackle during that time. It's almost impossible to play against as you can't get any rhythm.
Anyone praising Cork's style of football today who in the past has criticised Tyrone's tactics should be banned from GAA grounds for a year to reflect on their hypocrisy.
I have no sympathy for tyrone, they were destroying kerry at the half in the AISF of 03 and they employed the same tactics as Cork did today, they slowed it down and the result was a pish poor spectacle but it got the job done.
I'm amazed at how wound up the neutrals are getting on this thread.
The only common ground is that Bannon is a complete muppet. Ger Canning might also get the nod in that regard.
Delighted for warriors like Miskella, Canty, O'Leary, Kelly et al. For me Kerrigan was outstanding in the 2nd half and obviously ran himself into the ground.
As I have posted earlier Tyrone are a team very hard to like, but easy to admire.
Comprehensively beaten today and to be fair to Bannon he reffed the 2nd half well...... despite not awarding the 2 red cards which were definitely deserved in the "Miskella incident"...... for the sneak elbow and subsequent punch.
Thankfully, I now have a team to root for in the AIF.
Some whinging on the BBC after the game.
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
I'm amazed at how wound up the neutrals are getting on this thread.
The only common ground is that Bannon is a complete muppet. Ger Canning might also get the nod in that regard.
In fairness, I hate Cork with a passion, so I'm not trying to be neutral. Kerry or Meath will have my full support for the final. Even Mayo would. :P
Excellent day. The beginning of the end for this Tyrone team and Armagh minors through to the final
Will Mulligan get a thread of his own in the same vein as Aidan OMahoney last year ?
Have to add my delight that Tyrone are out. However, unlike OMS, I will be shouting for Cork in the final. Hopefully our minors will give me a reason to be there in the flesh to witness it.
Quote from: stew on August 23, 2009, 05:06:36 PM
Is this the end of an era? heres hoping. ;D
Well done Cork and good luck in the final, I cant see ye being stopped by anybody such is your dominance.
Tyrone were some team, 3 AI in 6 years is a brilliant return and they can hold their heads high.
I think the years of wear and tear finally caught up with Tyrone, that and the fact that Cork were far hungrier on the day.
course they'll be beaten and then spat out like they deserve, cork have no answer to orgasmic football ;D
Cork were very good and deserved their victory
Tyrone were modest and honorable in defeat
The only idiot was Bannon whop could have ruined it completely
Quote from: magickingdom on August 23, 2009, 05:33:22 PM
course they'll be beaten and then spat out like they deserve, cork have no answer to orgasmic football ;D
Well thank you, MK - high praise indeed!
A nice end to a satisfactory day in our house! I am not one of the "C'mon any Ulster" people. I am glad that my 2 pre match tips(Kelly and Kerrigan) played a major part in it. Cork played a very good mixed brand of football and are probably the best "natural" footballing team in the country. They played a very brave game and attacked with great fluency when they had a full compliment.
Alan O'Connor was unlucky, John Miskella was lucky as was Canty. I am surprised that someone as experienced as Canty would push it so close to the wind so often today. The Cork HF line were excellent as a unit and in O'Neill and Goulding they have two class acts. The wides would worry me if I was counihan and Donnacha O'Connor needs to work on his placed balls.
Tyrone will find it hard to regroup as although they are not that old they have played a lot of games. This may be a far out suggestion but it may need Harte to step down before there is another AI in this team. Same voice syndrome can destroy teams and it may be best that after 7 years a new voice is needed.
As a non-tyrone ulster man i was sad to see them out, though they will be back again.
Delighted for Cork...hope they push on and lift sam the year. They deserve it thus far.
Quote from: Minder on August 23, 2009, 05:30:53 PM
Will Mulligan get a thread of his own in the same vein as Aidan OMahoney last year ?
Why?
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
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Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in the final as I expect Cork will now do unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Do you think if they got fair play they still would have lost?
Myles - Why should it have been 15 v. 15? It should have been 13 v. 15 with Canty and Miskella getting the line. Canty's was like McMenamins a few years ago and he fouled a few times directly after that. That's the way it was.
Bannon gave Tyrone nothing- he absolutely rode them. But it wasn't a defining factor. Cork deserved it and could have won by more. To an extent thats the end of the current tyrone team. After Spillane's outburst I hope Cork knock seven shades of shite out of Kerry in the final if Kerry ebat Meath.
You bitter bitter little man
Whats bitter about that? Spillane was absolutely tasteless after the game. Kerry people seem to be more concerned about the Team of the Decade then winning an all-ireland. It was absolutely pathetic punditry.
No need for a kneejerk reaction in tyrone either. They need 5/6 new players thats all. Its not a complete rebuild job.
Cork now a serious team and will be at the top for 4/5 years. The underage success will help now and fair play to them. I'm glad Dublin are out having watched Cork today- they'd demolish us.
I can't see how you can say Bannon rode Tyrone Indiana?
He was bad - but he did send of a man for Cork early on and was just basically sh!te all round
I wouldn't say biased though
Tyrone didnt get there usual quota of carry the ball at pace and fall over frees but on balance dont think ref favoured them above Cork.
First yellow fair enough - second one wrong, Extra man for 45minutes balanced out any other calls. Canty sailed closer to wind but I think Miskella swung and missed.
The key difference wasnt ref but absence of cavanagh IMO.
Quote from: JMohan on August 23, 2009, 05:40:51 PM
I can't see how you can say Bannon rode Tyrone Indiana?
He was bad - but he did send of a man for Cork early on and was just basically sh!te all round
I wouldn't say biased though
Bar the ridiculous second yellow for the sending off I thought Tyrone were definitely getting the shitty end of the stick as far as the refereeing decisions were concerned.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 23, 2009, 05:41:45 PM
Tyrone didnt get there usual quota of carry the ball at pace and fall over frees but on balance dont think ref favoured them above Cork.
First yellow fair enough - second one wrong, Extra man for 45minutes balanced out any other calls. Canty sailed closer to wind but I think Miskella swung and missed.
The key difference wasnt ref but absence of cavanagh IMO.
true
Quote from: stiffler on August 23, 2009, 05:45:00 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on August 23, 2009, 05:41:45 PM
Tyrone didnt get there usual quota of carry the ball at pace and fall over frees but on balance dont think ref favoured them above Cork.
First yellow fair enough - second one wrong, Extra man for 45minutes balanced out any other calls. Canty sailed closer to wind but I think Miskella swung and missed.
The key difference wasnt ref but absence of cavanagh IMO.
true
Tyrone were poor all over the pitch, especially in the HB line, that can't be attributed to Cavanaghs absence.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 23, 2009, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
I'm amazed at how wound up the neutrals are getting on this thread.
The only common ground is that Bannon is a complete muppet. Ger Canning might also get the nod in that regard.
In fairness, I hate Cork with a passion, so I'm not trying to be neutral. Kerry or Meath will have my full support for the final. Even Mayo would. :P
would agree with ya there oms will definately be up for kerry or meath against cork, nothing to do with the hurling strikes or anything just don't like them and find it hard to cheer for them could be something to do with billy morgan and him been a sore looser and everthing
Tyrone were not at their best today - Cork overpowered them, were faster to the ball;, and retained possession better.
The loss of Cavanagh was a bit of a blow but he hasnt been all that great this year, and when playing, he can only be in the one place at any given time - other players played well below par - the 2 mcmahons will have better games - Dooher's tank is slowly but surely giving way.
Cork were strong - the ref was awful. got the sending off wrong, but missed loads of other opportunities to penalise the dirty play from Cork in the 2nd half - cant believe that hitting the head resulted in a yello - he may as well not have bothered consulting the two shopkeepers.
Well done Cork - kick Kerry's hole, if Meath dont do it first.
We'll be back
Quote from: Minder on August 23, 2009, 05:46:57 PM
Quote from: stiffler on August 23, 2009, 05:45:00 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on August 23, 2009, 05:41:45 PM
Tyrone didnt get there usual quota of carry the ball at pace and fall over frees but on balance dont think ref favoured them above Cork.
First yellow fair enough - second one wrong, Extra man for 45minutes balanced out any other calls. Canty sailed closer to wind but I think Miskella swung and missed.
The key difference wasnt ref but absence of cavanagh IMO.
true
Tyrone were poor all over the pitch, especially in the HB line, that can't be attributed to Cavanaghs absence.
Tyrone were beaten everywhere except maybe their FF line. Stephen O'Neill is still class and Penrose worked hard (could have had a goal) while Mulligan made the games key contribution other than the goal.
Cork were well worth the win and I can't for the life of me see how people think Tyrone were robbed.
Better team won. Tyrone will be back.
Good luck to the langers in the final
QuoteWhats bitter about that? Spillane was absolutely tasteless after the game. Kerry people seem to be more concerned about the Team of the Decade then winning an all-ireland. It was absolutely pathetic punditry.
What goes around comes around.
Neither of O'Connors yellow cards was justified in my opinion. But Cork management know their Bannon well and you could see what they knew they would get away with in the second half. Top notch tactics, in my opinion.
Not a dive by Mulligan either. He was airborne when O'Connor made (accidental) contact - enough to spin him around. Look for the real dives if looking to carp about it.
If that's the end of the Tyrone team, let's hope it's also the end of John Bannon's refereeing days. I doubt he influenced the result, but he definitely influenced the game.
Regardless of the ref however, Tyrone were awful today and made far too many mistakes of their own. The ball was given away stupidly numerous times running out of defence. The fact that Cork were able to shoot so many wides and still win by a decent margain says it all.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 05:55:29 PM
QuoteWhats bitter about that? Spillane was absolutely tasteless after the game. Kerry people seem to be more concerned about the Team of the Decade then winning an all-ireland. It was absolutely pathetic punditry.
What goes around comes around.
It's always good to have your in-depth analysis of these matches Mike. Real insight. ::)
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2009, 05:38:43 PM
Spillane was absolutely tasteless after the game.
Lack of class on his behalf but not the first team sadly. Being owned by Tyrone the last few years has clearly got to him but he could learn a lot from the likes of his fellow countyman Ger O' Keefe about humility and class.
Cavanagh was a loss but he was anonymous against ourselves in the quarter final so it is debatable as to whether his absence was the difference. Cork were the fresher and hungrier team and they thoroughly deserved their win. The warning signs were there for Tyrone the last day but Cork, unlike Kildare, had the nous and the composure to see them off.
Bannon had his usual abysmal game but I don't think he was significantly biased towards either side. Tyrone might feel aggrieved with some of his second half decisions but Cork were definitely on the end of some shocking calls in the opening half. Is the standard of refereeing that bad that we have him and Kinneavy-Ó Conámha as the semi-final officials??
Should be a good All-Ireland if Kerry see off the Royals next weekend. The law of averages suggest that Cork have to beat Kerry in Croke Park sometime but a lot of that Kerry team are probably in their last year and they will not want to bow out with a defeat to their neighbours.
Cork came out with rough house tactics in the second half to get a reaction imo, which might hopefully get the numbers evened up. While Tyrone didn't respond to the bait, Cork knew the ref would be slow to send off a second Cork player. It was a clever, well calculated second half tactic for them as it allowed them to successfully disrupt 15 man Tyrone's play. Cork were superb - without Bannon's rash sending off they would have won at a canter. Indeed they were winning at a canter at that stage. As it was, they had the cleverness and enough players to win handily in the end. They have a hell of smart & savvy sideline team.
For Tryone it's most likely back to the drawing board now, to see if they can produce a new team & style of football which can one day overcome Cork's current pacy, powerful style. They've been good champions, but football is going to move on now. For Cork, their style of play & the big Croke Park pitch are starting to look to me - and many others I'm sure - like a new benchmark & at this time playing them in Croker is like something approaching a perfect storm.
Quote from: Canalman on August 23, 2009, 05:27:36 PM
Comprehensively beaten today and to be fair to Bannon he reffed the 2nd half well...... despite not awarding the 2 red cards which were definitely deserved in the "Miskella incident"...... for the sneak elbow and subsequent punch.
How can you have a great 35 minutes of refereeing when you don't manage to make the 2 big decisions during that period?
no harm the nordies were beat at least there will be a pure irish final now
Fair play to Cork they were worthy winners. Should be a cracking final between them and Kerry.
End of the road for some of that Tyrone team, like Armagh in 2003 they have a lot of miles on the clock. Dooher has been a great servant to them but his legs have gone. 3 All Irelands in this decade is a great achievement and in time the Tyrone fans will realise this.
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on August 23, 2009, 06:05:50 PM
no harm the nordies were beat at least there will be a pure irish final now
Too obvious ::)
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most gmes now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most gmes now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
What do you mean?
Quote from: JMohan on August 23, 2009, 05:40:51 PM
I can't see how you can say Bannon rode Tyrone Indiana?
He was bad - but he did send of a man for Cork early on and was just basically sh!te all round
I wouldn't say biased though
Thought tyrone got the thin end of the decisions personally. But as I said it doesn't detract that Tyrone were second best in most positions. Especially half backs and half forwards- tyrone were demolished there.
QuoteLack of class on his behalf but not the first team sadly. Being owned by Tyrone the last few years has clearly got to him but he could learn a lot from the likes of his fellow countyman Ger O' Keefe about humility and class.
A Tyrone man lecturing about humility and class ? god, thats a good one ::)
And that bollix Brolly deserves everything he gets. He's been twisting the knife into Kerry for years.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most gmes now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
Bannon is a bad baromoter though because he has always been a terrible referee. He's the type of referee that both teams will always give out about. That is never a good sign. Tyrone didn't get much of him but I think they ran into cul de sacs of their own doing today moreso than wrong decisions.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2009, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 23, 2009, 05:40:51 PM
I can't see how you can say Bannon rode Tyrone Indiana?
He was bad - but he did send of a man for Cork early on and was just basically sh!te all round
I wouldn't say biased though
Thought tyrone got the thin end of the decisions personally. But as I said it doesn't detract that Tyrone were second best in most positions. Especially half backs and half forwards- tyrone were demolished there.
Fair enough
I just thought he was bad all round
You knew it was going to be a bad day when you saw two leaders being taken off - Dooher and Gornley
I do think it's the end of an era ... and I'm not being dramatic but I think Tyrone will struggle to get over that loss as they've not brought in any real good young blood this year and MF is still an issue.
Go on the rebels!
Delighted to get through and amazed at the performance.
Is this Tyrone team finished or are Cork playing at another level this year?
After knocking out Derry and Galway Donegal would have been seen as live contenders for the Cork match. Yet they were swatted aside.
No one thought Cork could do anything similar to Tyrone yet it was looking that they might just do that before the sending off.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 23, 2009, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most gmes now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
Bannon is a bad baromoter though because he has always been a terrible referee. He's the type of referee that both teams will always give out about. That is never a good sign. Tyrone didn't get much of him but I think they ran into cul de sacs of their own doing today moreso than wrong decisions.
You're dead right there
I'd never let him near a field myself
Mulligan didn't dive for the sending off, his momentum carried him over, but he did earlier in the first half. I think it was a tackle by Donnacha O'Connor where he went down like he had been taken out from the rooftops. It may have been a foul but by gilding the lily he made sure of it. This is not needed by any county team and needs to be discouraged. Dooher also got away with it. Both of these acts won Tyrone two close in frees which were scored.
As regards Cork's "tactic" of roughing up Tyrone in the second half because they knew the ref wouldn't send another man off, catch a grip lads! I wonder sometimes if some people on here have ever been involved in a football match. I have never been in a changing room where a manager has turned round and said right lads we can push the limits here as he won't send anyone more off. I would have heard that certain refs will let ypu away with more, but to suggest that it was a conscious tactic is pure nonsense.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
QuoteLack of class on his behalf but not the first team sadly. Being owned by Tyrone the last few years has clearly got to him but he could learn a lot from the likes of his fellow countyman Ger O' Keefe about humility and class.
A Tyrone man lecturing about humility and class ? god, thats a good one ::)
And that bollix Brolly deserves everything he gets. He's been twisting the knife into Kerry for years.
I think Spillane should have held his water for another week at least before having a lash at Joe. Meath will have a big say yet and until Kerry actually beat Tyrone there will always be some debate about their greatness
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on August 23, 2009, 06:05:50 PM
no harm the nordies were beat at least there will be a pure irish final now
What a fcukin' idiot
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 23, 2009, 06:20:59 PM
Mulligan didn't dive for the sending off, his momentum carried him over, but he did earlier in the first half. I think it was a tackle by Donnacha O'Connor where he went down like he had been taken out from the rooftops. It may have been a foul but by gilding the lily he made sure of it. This is not needed by any county team and needs to be discouraged. Dooher also got away with it. Both of these acts won Tyrone two close in frees which were scored.
As regards Cork's "tactic" of roughing up Tyrone in the second half because they knew the ref wouldn't send another man off, catch a grip lads! I wonder sometimes if some people on here have ever been involved in a football match. I have never been in a changing room where a manager has turned round and said right lads we can push the limits here as he won't send anyone more off. I would have heard that certain refs will let ypu away with more, but to suggest that it was a conscious tactic is pure nonsense.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
QuoteLack of class on his behalf but not the first team sadly. Being owned by Tyrone the last few years has clearly got to him but he could learn a lot from the likes of his fellow countyman Ger O' Keefe about humility and class.
A Tyrone man lecturing about humility and class ? god, thats a good one ::)
And that bollix Brolly deserves everything he gets. He's been twisting the knife into Kerry for years.
I think Spillane should have held his water for another week at least before having a lash at Joe. Meath will have a big say yet and until Kerry actually beat Tyrone there will always be some debate about their greatness
We'll never know now who is team of the decade because the showdown won't happen. There will be retirements on both sides I'd imagine at this stage and that seems to grate with Kerry people a lot. Kerry also have to beat Meath next week. After today if I were kerry I'd wouldn't be taking that for granted.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most games now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
I agree with you magpie about the Ref, but Tryone have so often got away with the other side of what happened with refereeing decisions today and injusts against opposition teams. Usually what goes around comes around and today it did.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 23, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most games now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
I agree with you magpie about the Ref, but Tryone have so often got away with the other side of what happened with refereeing decisions today and injusts against opposition teams. Usually what goes around comes around and today it did.
Nonsense
Ref was bad all round and Cork were always in control today
Even with Cavanagh I think Cork would have have won
Quote from: JMohan on August 23, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: goh4205 on August 23, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most games now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
I agree with you magpie about the Ref, but Tryone have so often got away with the other side of what happened with refereeing decisions today and injusts against opposition teams. Usually what goes around comes around and today it did.
Nonsense
Ref was bad all round and Cork were always in control today
Even with Cavanagh I think Cork would have have won
I agree, but my point was no point in tryone cryin about the Ref when they've got so many calls in their favour over the years. cork were by far the best team and would have won regardless who tryone put out. If Kerry beat Meath then I'd fancy Kerry but should be a dinger of a match
Quote from: goh4205 on August 23, 2009, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 23, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: goh4205 on August 23, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most games now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
I agree with you magpie about the Ref, but Tryone have so often got away with the other side of what happened with refereeing decisions today and injusts against opposition teams. Usually what goes around comes around and today it did.
Nonsense
Ref was bad all round and Cork were always in control today
Even with Cavanagh I think Cork would have have won
I agree, but my point was no point in tryone cryin about the Ref when they've got so many calls in their favour over the years. cork were by far the best team and would have won regardless who tryone put out. If Kerry beat Meath then I'd fancy Kerry but should be a dinger of a match
I wouldn't- if cork reproduce that they'll beat either of the other two.
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 23, 2009, 06:19:35 PM
After knocking out Derry and Galway Donegal would have been seen as live contenders for the Cork match. Yet they were swatted aside.
I don't think very many saw Donegal as real contenders in truth. No one would have predicted the margain of defeat, but neither Derry nor Galway would have stayed anywhere near that Cork team either.
Well feck it. Well enough beaten. Good job too cos if they had got it back to a score or two it would have made Bannon the talking point, which he does not deserve. We've got the breaks in Croker before, so can't have complaints.
Not the day to criticize the players or Harte, bad day all round, but they've given plenty of good ones.
Spillane with his silly mustard trousers was his usual classless self.
But hopefully 2 more good games this season to come.
QuoteReally hope Meath beat kerry, shut Spillane up, made a real ass of himself today.
fair play Joe brolly, didnt bite, just highlighted the fact that Spillane, and every other Kerry muppet, would prefer to see their arch rivals and near neighbours Cork win than seeing the Nordies win... Pathetic
Thats rich. One thing that seems to have united Ulster over the last few years is putting the boot into Kerry and Brolly has been the chief cheerleader of that. You've danced on our grave enough times, we've gotten the message loud and clear so dont expect any sympathy when you get beaten because you dont deserve it.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 23, 2009, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 23, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: goh4205 on August 23, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Why is the standard of refereeing so bad? Today was actually worse than usual but most games now its bad. I firmly believe the refs that get the big games are reffing as they are told to (logical - the guys who do it best get the top matches). So the obvious conclusion arises - the people training and assessing referees are out of touch with how most people perceive the game. The namby pamby rules that were almost brought in are another example of this and while its another argument I'm sure they'll have another go next spring to ruin the games further. They are also completely unaccountable.
Whether Tyrone would or would have not won today is not so much the point - its obvious they didn't get fair play. Perversely, the wrong sending off will make that argument hard to make to most people. Amazing how often things like that happen.
I agree with you magpie about the Ref, but Tryone have so often got away with the other side of what happened with refereeing decisions today and injusts against opposition teams. Usually what goes around comes around and today it did.
Nonsense
Ref was bad all round and Cork were always in control today
Even with Cavanagh I think Cork would have have won
I agree, but my point was no point in tryone cryin about the Ref when they've got so many calls in their favour over the years. cork were by far the best team and would have won regardless who tryone put out. If Kerry beat Meath then I'd fancy Kerry but should be a dinger of a match
Tyrone crying about the ref?
There's not been one Tyrone person crying about the ref - sure he gave them an extra man for half the game!!!
You're confused now
Some footage on youtube for anyone that hasnt seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsIcy-0qJgA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsIcy-0qJgA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyEgK0UOfnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyEgK0UOfnk) - Spillane's half time rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdpQygjZL1s
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdpQygjZL1s)
Can't believe the first yellow, that's ridiculous! If you were going to bring a player down you wouldnt dive in with your legs like that! Common sense. Second one just as ridiculous and then Dooher gets a close in free for nothing.
QuoteI think Spillane should have held his water for another week at least before having a lash at Joe. Meath will have a big say yet and until Tyrone launch a decent defence of an AI there will always be some debate about their greatness
fixed that for you
QuoteSome footage on youtube for anyone that hasnt seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsIcy-0qJgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyEgK0UOfnk - Spillane's half time rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdpQygjZL1s
Can't believe the first yellow, that's ridiculous! If you were going to bring a player down you wouldnt dive in with your legs like that! Common sense. Second one just as ridiculous and then Dooher gets a close in free for nothing.
Mulligan diving. McGuigan trying to get Miskella sent off ....basically Tyrone up to their usual shite. Good to see them get what they deserved for their blatant cheating.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 06:59:45 PM
QuoteSome footage on youtube for anyone that hasnt seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsIcy-0qJgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyEgK0UOfnk - Spillane's half time rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdpQygjZL1s
Can't believe the first yellow, that's ridiculous! If you were going to bring a player down you wouldnt dive in with your legs like that! Common sense. Second one just as ridiculous and then Dooher gets a close in free for nothing.
Mulligan diving. McGuigan trying to get Miskella sent off ....basically Tyrone up to their usual shite. Good to see them get what they deserved for their blatant cheating.
Aidan O'Mahony?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 06:59:45 PM
QuoteSome footage on youtube for anyone that hasnt seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsIcy-0qJgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyEgK0UOfnk - Spillane's half time rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdpQygjZL1s
Can't believe the first yellow, that's ridiculous! If you were going to bring a player down you wouldnt dive in with your legs like that! Common sense. Second one just as ridiculous and then Dooher gets a close in free for nothing.
Mulligan diving. McGuigan trying to get Miskella sent off ....basically Tyrone up to their usual shite. Good to see them get what they deserved for their blatant cheating.
Go outside to play Michael the adults are talking.
You still have that avatar up... you said you'd take it down. ...but I suppose you can never take a Tyrone man at his word. Liars as well as cheats I suppose....
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 07:07:54 PM
You still have that avatar up... you said you'd take it down. ...but I suppose you can never take a Tyrone man at his word. Liars as well as cheats I suppose....
Aye fair enough, I'll take that bad boy down. We're not bad losers or whingers up here.
plenty of whinging going on here today...and , btw, with being bad losers is understandable ..being bad winners is unforgiveable though and for that alone you should hang your heads in shame.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 06:46:33 PM
QuoteI think Spillane should have held his water for another week at least before having a lash at Joe. Meath will have a big say yet and until Tyrone launch a decent defence of an AI there will always be some debate about their greatness
fixed that for you
Fair enough! You're really enjoying this aren't you :P Just remember Pride before a fall.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 07:07:54 PM
You still have that avatar up... you said you'd take it down. ...but I suppose you can never take a Tyrone man at his word. Liars as well as cheats I suppose....
Think about that. That's very harsh. Why are you such a mean-spirited person?
Up the Rebels!
SON has a quare hairy chest on him!
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Bannon gave Tyrone nothing- he absolutely rode them. But it wasn't a defining factor. Cork deserved it and could have won by more. To an extent thats the end of the current tyrone team. After Spillane's outburst I hope Cork knock seven shades of shite out of Kerry in the final if Kerry ebat Meath.
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Bannon gave a free to Mulligan after about 20 minutes which resulted in a point, it was not a foul. Dooher won a free after half an hour, it was not a foul. Early in the second half Jordan scored a point from a free that nver was. There are 3 scores you got that you shouldn't.
He's a very poor ref who gave bad decisions against both teams with Tyrone benefitting more than Cork.
Miskella deserved his yellow card, he slapped him, it wasn't a punch. McGuigan's overreaction was embarrassing though!
Quote from: Brendans abu on August 23, 2009, 07:24:37 PM
Bannon gave Tyrone nothing- he absolutely rode them. But it wasn't a defining factor. Cork deserved it and could have won by more. To an extent thats the end of the current tyrone team. After Spillane's outburst I hope Cork knock seven shades of shite out of Kerry in the final if Kerry ebat Meath.
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Bannon gave a free to Mulligan after about 20 minutes which resulted in a point, it was not a foul. Dooher won a free after half an hour, it was not a foul. Early in the second half Jordan scored a point from a free that nver was. There are 3 scores you got that you shouldn't.
He's a very poor ref who gave bad decisions against both teams with Tyrone benefitting more than Cork.
Miskella deserved his yellow card, he slapped him, it wasn't a punch. McGuigan's overreaction was embarrassing though![/quote]
You are the first to agree with me. You may need counselling.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
QuoteLack of class on his behalf but not the first team sadly. Being owned by Tyrone the last few years has clearly got to him but he could learn a lot from the likes of his fellow countyman Ger O' Keefe about humility and class.
A Tyrone man lecturing about humility and class ? god, thats a good one ::)
Listen in Mike, youre even worse than Pat. I know the defeats at the hands of Tyrone have hurt you over the past few years but seriously take a look at what youre posting here, youre doing yourself no credit at all. The better team won today and I dont think any Tyrone person will dispute that. No need for this bitterness on your part.
I thought it looked like he clipped him properly myself
After what Brian McGuigan has been through in the slaps in the face department I'd be slow to question him.
QuoteMiskella deserved his yellow card, he slapped him, it wasn't a punch. McGuigan's overreaction was embarrassing though!
He deserved red, it was a slap but still a strike which is a red card. He was very stupid to do that but I agree, McGuigan's reaction was embarrassing! He did his best to get him sent off.
A lot of supporters of the great one in a row team on here dancing on a grave that hasnt yet been dug....youse Armagh lads would want to wise up.....the minors would be scant compensation...especially with the red and black lying in wait if they get over Mayo.....yiz really make me laugh.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 07:30:52 PM
QuoteMiskella deserved his yellow card, he slapped him, it wasn't a punch. McGuigan's overreaction was embarrassing though!
He deserved red, it was a slap but still a strike which is a red card. He was very stupid to do that but I agree, McGuigan's reaction was embarrassing! He did his best to get him sent off.
I think Bannon should have got the Red Card
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 23, 2009, 07:32:02 PM
A lot of supporters of the great one in a row team on here dancing on a grave that hasnt yet been dug....youse Armagh lads would want to wise up.....the minors would be scant compensation...especially with the red and black lying in wait if they get over Mayo.....yiz really make me laugh.
What are you on about? Please name the armagh posters you claim are dancing on graves.
QuoteThink about that. That's very harsh. Why are you such a mean-spirited person?
I cant believe you would come out with that...go back and read some of your posts on this board. You are one of the worst Tymoan WUM's
QuoteListen in Mike, youre even worse than Pat. I know the defeats at the hands of Tyrone have hurt you over the past few years but seriously take a look at what youre posting here, youre doing yourself no credit at all. The better team won today and I dont think any Tyrone person will dispute that. No need for this bitterness on your part.
Just like Tyssam5 you have also had your petty digs and gloating. I'm being quite fair really.
Hey Cadlachan dont be sending nasty PM's...if you have something to say say it on the board ya little p***k..
Never have Kerry been so in thrall to a Cork victory!
No complaints - beaten by the much better team on the day. Cork showed hunger, passion,desire. Tyrone couldn't match them here or in the footballing stakes.
Bannon did not beat Tyrone. In fact Tyrone could have been beat by a whole lot more. But Bannon was woeful.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 07:48:17 PM
Hey Cadlachan dont be sending nasty PM's...if you have something to say say it on the board ya little p***k..
nasty pm??
I asked you why you were such an arrogant p***k? seems like some other people are asking that as well? are we all wrong and you are right?. you dont have one constructive thing to say about the game ::)
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 23, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Excellent day. The beginning of the end for this Tyrone team and Armagh minors through to the final
Will that do for you Pints? Take the blinkers off.
Yiz are the Wimbledon of the GAA. Get over it.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 23, 2009, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 23, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Excellent day. The beginning of the end for this Tyrone team and Armagh minors through to the final
Will that do for you Pints? Take the blinkers off.
Yiz are the Wimbledon of the GAA. Get over it.
One poster? Is that it?
YOu said
QuoteA lot of supporters of the great one in a row team on here dancing on a grave that hasnt yet been dug....youse Armagh lads would want to wise up.....the minors would be scant compensation...especially with the red and black lying in wait if they get over Mayo.....yiz really make me laugh.
Where's the rest?
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 23, 2009, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 23, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Excellent day. The beginning of the end for this Tyrone team and Armagh minors through to the final
Will that do for you Pints? Take the blinkers off.
Yiz are the Wimbledon of the GAA. Get over it.
Classy, elegant, lovely local strawberries and cream, not a happy hunting ground for the Brits. Ah 5 Sams, you can say the nicest things sometimes :)
I would love to know what Bannon booked Miskella for? Either a red or nothing surely? I don't fancy his chances of playing in the all ireland final either, surely TV evidence has to be used here
Armagh fans are pathetic
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
I would love to know what Bannon booked Miskella for? Either a red or nothing surely? I don't fancy his chances of playing in the all ireland final either, surely TV evidence has to be used here
Thought they coulndt do anything now he's got a yellow?
No self-respecting Tyrone supporter could say that today's performance says that this isn't the beginning of the end for this Tyrone team. I think my words will spell out the truth in the long term, fwiw, I am not gloating. I admit I don't like to see Tyrone do well, surely I am entitled to say so
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
I would love to know what Bannon booked Miskella for? Either a red or nothing surely? I don't fancy his chances of playing in the all ireland final either, surely TV evidence has to be used here
Thought they coulndt do anything now he's got a yellow?
no, didnt ryan Mc Menemin get yellowed for the Paul Galvin " balls" thing,, and still was held accountable
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
I would love to know what Bannon booked Miskella for? Either a red or nothing surely? I don't fancy his chances of playing in the all ireland final either, surely TV evidence has to be used here
Thought they coulndt do anything now he's got a yellow?
no, didnt ryan Mc Menemin get yellowed for the Paul Galvin " balls" thing,, and still was held accountable
No, I think he managed to even escape a yellow though I stand to be corrected.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2009, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
I would love to know what Bannon booked Miskella for? Either a red or nothing surely? I don't fancy his chances of playing in the all ireland final either, surely TV evidence has to be used here
Thought they coulndt do anything now he's got a yellow?
no, didnt ryan Mc Menemin get yellowed for the Paul Galvin " balls" thing,, and still was held accountable
No, I think he managed to even escape a yellow though I stand to be corrected.
Yeah I was thinking that too
There is a certain irony in a team that has made trying to con referees into an art form, making it an integral part of their tactics, being stitched up today by the referee.
Bannon is getting (largely justifiable) criticism on this thread, but surely there was going to come a time when a referee didn't fall for the theatrics.
I also think that Mickey was found out a wee bit today - an over-reliance (some would say sentimentally so) on his tried and trusted men.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
I would love to know what Bannon booked Miskella for? Either a red or nothing surely? I don't fancy his chances of playing in the all ireland final either, surely TV evidence has to be used here
He slapped him, its not a red
McGuigan should be banned for diving though, it was pathetic
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on August 23, 2009, 06:05:50 PM
no harm the nordies were beat at least there will be a pure irish final now
guys like you make me puke
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Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
I would love to know what Bannon booked Miskella for? Either a red or nothing surely? I don't fancy his chances of playing in the all ireland final either, surely TV evidence has to be used here
He slapped him, its not a red
McGuigan should be banned for diving though, it was pathetic
If you strike it's a red hard, open or closed hand - according the rule book anyway
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 23, 2009, 08:38:16 PM
There is a certain irony in a team that has made trying to con referees into an art form, making it an integral part of their tactics, being stitched up today by the referee.
Bannon is getting (largely justifiable) criticism on this thread, but surely there was going to come a time when a referee didn't fall for the theatrics.
I also think that Mickey was found out a wee bit today - an over-reliance (some would say sentimentally so) on his tried and trusted men.
catch yourself on -'Mickey was found out a wee bit today...' what a load of bollox
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 08:42:50 PM
Quote from: Brendans abu on August 23, 2009, 08:40:36 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
I would love to know what Bannon booked Miskella for? Either a red or nothing surely? I don't fancy his chances of playing in the all ireland final either, surely TV evidence has to be used here
He slapped him, its not a red
McGuigan should be banned for diving though, it was pathetic
If you strike it's a red hard, open or closed hand - according the rule book anyway
Agreed. In virtually any game that would have been a straight red
its the usual black and white crap on here, tyrone were beaten which means their finished blah blah.... what rubbish. they lost on the day to a hungrier cork team who btw were hungry just because they got beat silly around the place by kerry the last few years. tyrone will be one of the favourites for sam again next year have no doubt about that. micky h aint going to vanish. . .
Quote from: magickingdom on August 23, 2009, 08:49:23 PM
its the usual black and white crap on here, tyrone were beaten which means their finished blah blah.... what rubbish. they lost on the day to a hungrier cork team who btw were hungry just because they got beat silly around the place by kerry the last few years. tyrone will be one of the favourites for sam again next year have no doubt about that. micky h aint going to vanish. . .
agree - not a bad team based on 1 result and also unfair not to acknowledge how strong Cork are... Tyrone will be back
II stand corrected,,he wasnt booked, my bad, but the referee will more than likely be shown the TV clip, and then be asked did he think his "sentence" was just? Methinks this one has to go the CCCCCCDCCCFT ;D
Level of vitriol towards Tyrone is shameful. Surely one of the greatest teams of all time. May need to freshen team up but there must be tremendous talent waiting in the wings. I was hoping for a Cork win if only for a change. Hope Meath manage to make it an unpredicted final paring.
Fair play to Cork. They look like some team and will be hard to beat. I hope they hold it together and play in the final the way they played today. If so I couldn't see them beat.
Tyrone are still a great team. I wouldn't say this team are finished. I would say, great servant that he's been, Brian Dooher is maybe past it. Philly Jordan and Gormley also looked quite sluggish too. Those aside though I still think they'll be ok. You've to consider that their two best players of last year - McGinley and Cavanagh - could not play anywhere near the part today that would have been hoped for. McGinley is obviously not fit from his injury. They would have made some difference.
As for John Bannon - well the man shouldn't be allowed to ref a big game again. You could go into a lot of his decisions but to me the one that showed him up for the clown he is was when Joe McMahon - straight in front of him - clearly CLEARLY put his toe below the ball and he gave an off the ground.
People can talk about cynicism all they like for either team. You do what you have to do to win the game. Every champion of at least the last ten years has had this side to their game.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2009, 09:10:52 PM
Fair play to Cork. They look like some team and will be hard to beat. I hope they hold it together and play in the final the way they played today. If so I couldn't see them beat.
Tyrone are still a great team. I wouldn't say this team are finished. I would say, great servant that he's been, Brian Dooher is maybe past it. Philly Jordan and Gormley also looked quite sluggish too. Those aside though I still think they'll be ok. You've to consider that their two best players of last year - McGinley and Cavanagh - could not play anywhere near the part today that would have been hoped for. McGinley is obviously not fit from his injury. They would have made some difference.
As for John Bannon - well the man shouldn't be allowed to ref a big game again. You could go into a lot of his decisions but to me the one that showed him up for the clown he is was when Joe McMahon - straight in front of him - clearly CLEARLY put his toe below the ball and he gave an off the ground.
People can talk about cynicism all they like for either team. You do what you have to do to win the game. Every champion of at least the last ten years has had this side to their game.
Even Sidebottom, on viewing the replay, reckoned the Longford whistler called that one right.
Is that a good or a bad thing?
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 23, 2009, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 07:48:17 PM
Hey Cadlachan dont be sending nasty PM's...if you have something to say say it on the board ya little p***k..
nasty pm??
I asked you why you were such an arrogant p***k? seems like some other people are asking that as well? are we all wrong and you are right?. you dont have one constructive thing to say about the game ::)
Dry yer eyes numpty and take the slagging. God knows you've given it often enough so now you'll take it, otherwise piss off from the board.
As a Derry man I was pretty disgusted today at a number of things
1 the shocking bias of the rte commentators,, particularly that clown from ulster/connacht
2 some of the blatant fouls from cork that went unpunished
3 how that ref continues to get high profile games (i cant even say his name)
The rte bias was so bad I had to turn it over to bbc - something i would nver normally do.
I found bbc views to be fair. I missed M Harte's interview on rte but I hear he must have commented on ref performance.
I hope the whole Tyrone team can use this as motivation next year to show they are far from finished.
Quote from: gaagaa on August 23, 2009, 09:22:34 PM
As a Derry man I was pretty disgusted today at a number of things
1 the shocking bias of the rte commentators,, particularly that clown from ulster/connacht
2 some of the blatant fouls from cork that went unpunished
3 how that ref continues to get high profile games (i cant even say his name)
The rte bias was so bad I had to turn it over to bbc - something i would nver normally do.
I found bbc views to be fair. I missed M Harte's interview on rte but I hear he must have commented on ref performance.
I hope the whole Tyrone team can use this as motivation next year to show they are far from finished.
you're obviously biased as you've not mentioned the sending off
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 07:30:52 PM
QuoteMiskella deserved his yellow card, he slapped him, it wasn't a punch. McGuigan's overreaction was embarrassing though!
He deserved red, it was a slap but still a strike which is a red card. He was very stupid to do that but I agree, McGuigan's reaction was embarrassing! He did his best to get him sent off.
Technically Pints your right, but it's not the first time McGuigan has got a bang in the mouth for his antics. He's a great player, but bit of a snake. Remember he got Greg McCartan sent off in clones play acting a few years back. How many time have you seem Miskella been booked this year for dirty play (None) so whatever McGuigan was at maybe he deserved it.
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 09:19:27 PM
I thought he called it right. Was it not for stopping the ball with his hand when it was rolling, not the actual pick up?
That was Gormley in the first minute i think, although Carney clearly missed this on RTE. Mc Mahons was dubious.
Very impressed with Corks intensity and tackling today. Tyrone looked pretty lifeless from start to finish, and no doubt Cavanagh not starting was a severe body blow to them. Love to see Cork go on and lift it now.
Fair play to cork. Much better team on the day. We looked tired and weary butsure we were written off after meath 2007 and down last year- tyrone will not be far away in 2010.
I turned it over as I thought the same.
I found it was as bad on BBC the other way.
McHugh reckoned the sending off was correct. They also reckoned Canty should have gone. I reckon O'Connor was wrong and Canty should have gone.
Dooher was clearly fouled in the 2nd half and Carney said he was just tired. His heels were clipped and the boy went in the back of him. Another one of Bannon's decisions.
I think the sending off was incorrect but he'd have gone anyway at some point. He left trailing legs etc in there and if you do that when on a yellow then you'll not be long till you see red.
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 07:30:52 PM
QuoteMiskella deserved his yellow card, he slapped him, it wasn't a punch. McGuigan's overreaction was embarrassing though!
He deserved red, it was a slap but still a strike which is a red card. He was very stupid to do that but I agree, McGuigan's reaction was embarrassing! He did his best to get him sent off.
Technically Pints your right, but it's not the first time McGuigan has got a bang in the mouth for his antics. He's a great player, but bit of a snake. Remember he got Greg McCartan sent off in clones play acting a few years back. How many time have you seem Miskella been booked this year for dirty play (None) so whatever McGuigan was at maybe he deserved it.
Oh yeah, I'd say you're right. Thing is though, if umpire seen it, and it seems like he did Miskella should have went. Miskella very silly to do that but yeah, McGuigan made the most ofit.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
I turned it over as I thought the same.
I found it was as bad on BBC the other way.
McHugh reckoned the sending off was correct. They also reckoned Canty should have gone. I reckon O'Connor was wrong and Canty should have gone.
Dooher was clearly fouled in the 2nd half and Carney said he was just tired. His heels were clipped and the boy went in the back of him. Another one of Bannon's decisions.
He must have been on the funny stuff. If that was his opinion then his judgement must be seriously questioned.
I think the sending off was incorrect but he'd have gone anyway at some point. He left trailing legs etc in there and if you do that when on a yellow then you'll not be long till you see red.
Best of luck to Cork in the final - better team on the day won. It's just such a pity that so much air-time, internet space and print media will be wasted on discussing John Bannon's performance and thereby taking away from Cork's. Cork would probably have won anyway, but all any player asks from a ref is a bit of fairness and competence, and no-one can say that's what they got today from Bannon.
Jaysis, 10+ pages wrote and I'm only in from the pub. No surprises for me, I had Cork among the top 3 in the country this year in Feb, not here or hoganstand mind you, and folks including Tyronies, laughed at the thoughts of Cork being rated that high.
Have money on a Cork-Meath final, half way there. Not surprised by Corks victory nor their play. God, it doesn't be often we get to call out another county for pushing the rules but, Cork while, O'Conner should never have gone off, Miskella should have walked. knee in the back was way out of order. But its no surprise, Cork were no saints in 2007, O'Leary getting away with digging Geraghty (who wouldn't hurt a fly, you'd agree). With 6 points up Cork were happy to foul the opposition within 40yds of goal.
Either way, Cork were the better team, we'll see how we get on against the kingdom.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
I turned it over as I thought the same.
I found it was as bad on BBC the other way.
McHugh reckoned the sending off was correct. They also reckoned Canty should have gone. I reckon O'Connor was wrong and Canty should have gone.
Dooher was clearly fouled in the 2nd half and Carney said he was just tired. His heels were clipped and the boy went in the back of him. Another one of Bannon's decisions.
I think the sending off was incorrect but he'd have gone anyway at some point. He left trailing legs etc in there and if you do that when on a yellow then you'll not be long till you see red.
I looked at the dooher thing again- looked a good tackle to me. He knocked the ball away before he made contact with Dooher. Bannon got that right for my money. One of the few he did. Dooher was just slow.
Didn't spot Ricey doing any high fives like what he was at in the Ulster final.
They wouldn't be that high, surely?
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:07:19 PM
Just saw the Canty one again. Hmm, dirty enough. Could come back to haunt him. Miskella will miss the final.
No he won't. Got a yellow for it. Incidentally why is McGuigan not getting the stick O'Mahony got last year for his playacting. Although it wasn't as obvious as O'Mahonys it was still unsavoury.
Congrats to Cork - clearly the better team all day long. Looking at the second half you'd think Tyrone were the ones playing with 14.
They'll be hyped up now as the 'real thing' before the final - and yet, they never really put Tyrone away. I think Cavanagh on from the start would have made a real difference, but we'll never know now.
Despite Cork's impressive performances today and against Donegal, trying to get over Kerry in an All-Ireland Final is another mountain entirely. (With due respect to the Meathmen on the board, I'd strongly fancy the Kingdom the next day.)
Tyrone will be back. Maybe without Dooher, but they're a long, long way from finished.
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Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:07:19 PM
Just saw the Canty one again. Hmm, dirty enough. Could come back to haunt him. Miskella will miss the final.
No he won't. Got a yellow for it. Incidentally why is McGuigan not getting the stick O'Mahony got last year for his playacting. Although it wasn't as obvious as O'Mahonys it was still unsavoury.
Is that not a thing of the past? I think he can be pulled up even if the ref dealt with it. Maybe not.
Hardstation is correct.
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:17:19 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't think McGuigan play acted?
Yes.
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:17:19 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't think McGuigan play acted? That was a decent aul dig.
Hardstation is incorrect.
What is the "drop zone"?
Where are yiz all seeing the game again, alas i cant watch the Sunday game, whilst in exile, is it on youtube
Quote from: thejuice on August 23, 2009, 10:25:43 PM
Where are yiz all seeing the game again, alas i cant watch the Sunday game, whilst in exile, is it on youtube
yeah most of it is on youtube, watched it earlier, should come up in a search.
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:07:19 PM
Just saw the Canty one again. Hmm, dirty enough. Could come back to haunt him. Miskella will miss the final.
No he won't. Got a yellow for it. Incidentally why is McGuigan not getting the stick O'Mahony got last year for his playacting. Although it wasn't as obvious as O'Mahonys it was still unsavoury.
Is that not a thing of the past? I think he can be pulled up even if the ref dealt with it. Maybe not.
Fair enough, but I still don't think he'll miss the final after the injustice of the O'Connor sending off. Plus in the absence of the judges that are McStay and Lyons on the Sunday Game tonight, the other panelists didn't highlight the incident too much or call for a ban.
Bizarre game in ways. Tyrone have spent the best part of the last decade defying the traditional laws of Gaelic football by routinely being outfielded at midfield yet manufacturing victories in spite of this. Today they were too comphrensively destoryed in the middle sector to be able to recover. Cavanagh was undoubtedly a huge loss but you have to give that Cork side a huge amount of credit. Took everything in their stride and look like a hell of an impressive outfit. Felt for Tyrone though. I mightn't like them but I can't help but respect them. They went out without a whimper today, very unlike them. If they reutrn from this to win another All Ireland it'll be another badge of greatness for a truely great team.
Well done Cork!
After watching match, don't think Tyrone would've won today even with another Cork sending off which was possible. Cork hit the ground running and Tyrone didn't-first twenty minutes was crucial and silly mistakes handed the scores to the rebels. Can't help but thinking that Tyrones free roaming positional play was their undoing-might have had more chance with a man-to-man system with the odd foray forward for the half backs. Half-backs trying for crucial scores near the end when you had the likes of Stevie and Mugsy up front was frustrating to watch. Cork done the homework and carried it through on the pitch.
Bannon was terrible but wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome of this game. The sending-off was harsh but I still believe they were two bookable offences. Several times Cork players led with the legs, which is highly dangerous in gaelic football-I hope they correct this before the final because on another day two or three could walk. McGuigan got some clout-would've been worse had he not anticipated the blow and retracted his head slightly. To anyone insinuating playacting on his behalf, bear in mind the injury that almost wrecked his career.
All-in-all, while not a high-scoring free-flowing exhibition, it was an exciting and intriguing game right up to the end.
This Tyrone team owes us nothing. To all in Tyrone and some further afield, they are legends forever and through success have hopefully set up a legacy for success in the future.
Perhaps Spillane's outburst was one of frustration that Kerry will never get a chance to lay the ghost to rest that Tyrone ARE the team of the decade.
Don't mind the poor Kerry crayters-it's the nearest they'll get to gloating after beating Tyrone in the championship!
Up the Rebels!
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Congratulations to Cork on their win, I would love to see them win the AI. Tyrone were very sluggish and never really got into the game, Harte and Jordan in particular had a nightmare.
QuotePerhaps Spillane's outburst was one of frustration that Kerry will never get a chance to lay the ghost to rest that Tyrone ARE the team of the decade.
Don't mind the poor Kerry crayters-it's the nearest they'll get to gloating after beating Tyrone in the championship!
Up the Rebels!
You had your chance to do back-to-back AI to show us all how supposedly "great" you are and you crumbled as you always do.
Tyrone will never handle the level of expectation and pressure that teams like Kerry, Dublin and Kilkenny have to deal with on a routine basis. You are not worthy champions. That has been proven time and time again.
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Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:07:19 PM
Just saw the Canty one again. Hmm, dirty enough. Could come back to haunt him. Miskella will miss the final.
No he won't. Got a yellow for it. Incidentally why is McGuigan not getting the stick O'Mahony got last year for his playacting. Although it wasn't as obvious as O'Mahonys it was still unsavoury.
Is that not a thing of the past? I think he can be pulled up even if the ref dealt with it. Maybe not.
Fair enough, but I still don't think he'll miss the final after the injustice of the O'Connor sending off. Plus in the absence of the judges that are McStay and Lyons on the Sunday Game tonight, the other panelists didn't highlight the incident too much or call for a ban.
I don't think that will come into it at all. He will be suspended.
You reckon without Fra Murphy. He'll play.
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:56:13 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:07:19 PM
Just saw the Canty one again. Hmm, dirty enough. Could come back to haunt him. Miskella will miss the final.
No he won't. Got a yellow for it. Incidentally why is McGuigan not getting the stick O'Mahony got last year for his playacting. Although it wasn't as obvious as O'Mahonys it was still unsavoury.
Is that not a thing of the past? I think he can be pulled up even if the ref dealt with it. Maybe not.
Fair enough, but I still don't think he'll miss the final after the injustice of the O'Connor sending off. Plus in the absence of the judges that are McStay and Lyons on the Sunday Game tonight, the other panelists didn't highlight the incident too much or call for a ban.
I don't think that will come into it at all. He will be suspended.
If it was a first round game I'd agree but I just get a feeling he will play. Anyway lets wait and see.
fair play to cork as the best team won today. glad to see the wum still going strong tonight with some of the posts made today. ref was woefull with both teams, hopfully he will go back to junior games.
some of MH subs timing where interesting, gormley after he went down should have being of the field of play along time before he did.
once again well done to cork and thanks tyrone for the last 18 months
lads, heres the short and the sweet of it..John Miskella struck Brian McGuigan. The referee did NOT assess the incident correctly, because if he did, then he would have lined him. When he is asked ( and he will be asked ) to reassess the incident, his view will surely differ, and Miskella WILL be called before the ccc . At the minute I would say he has NO chance of playing in the all ireland final
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 23, 2009, 06:23:58 PM
Really hope Meath beat kerry, shut Spillane up, made a real ass of himself today.
fair play Joe brolly, didnt bite, just highlighted the fact that Spillane, and every other Kerry muppet, would prefer to see their arch rivals and near neighbours Cork win than seeing the Nordies win... Pathetic
Oh dear some one is very cross
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:55:13 PM
QuotePerhaps Spillane's outburst was one of frustration that Kerry will never get a chance to lay the ghost to rest that Tyrone ARE the team of the decade.
Don't mind the poor Kerry crayters-it's the nearest they'll get to gloating after beating Tyrone in the championship!
Up the Rebels!
You had your chance to do back-to-back AI to show us all how supposedly "great" you are and you crumbled as you always do.
Tyrone will never handle the level of expectation and pressure that teams like Kerry, Dublin and Kilkenny have to deal with on a routine basis. You are not worthy champions. That has been proven time and time again.
Jaysis' I'm glad I'm from Tyrone!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:55:13 PM
Tyrone will never handle the level of expectation and pressure that teams like Kerry, Dublin and Kilkenny have to deal with on a routine basis. You are not worthy champions. That has been proven time and time again.
Shame on you Mike. You might have had a chance of getting away with it if you'd been able to resist lobbing in Dublin. Three All-Irelands in six years would suggest that maybe Tyrone aren't that bad at handling pressure, really, when compared to Dublin's one title in over a quarter-century.
Anyone who wins the cup is a worthy champion. Or else there's no point in holding the competition, is there? Shame on you.
Have to say I thought the game had a wee bit of everything, very enjoyable.
The ref was bad, but thought he was just as bad for Cork than he was for Tyrone. Sending off was for nothing. Gave some handy frees to Tyrone. Some handy to Cork (although I thought the off the ground calls were correct. Foot in the general vacinity does not mean under).
Some of the cork scores were excellent, while some of the attempts from Tyrone near the end were puzzling, it seemed like they had met for the first time and weren't working within the 'system'
In saying that, they will come back all guns blazing next year
Congrats to Corcaigh.
Cannot complain about the result at all. Cork had the hunger, drive, tenacity and skill that mirrored Tyrone from 03-08.
Great performances from Canty and Kelly. Kelly was very comfortable on the ball and able to take out 2-3 Tyrone players with a killer McGuigan-esque ball.
Dooher, McGinley and Cavanagh were three key players that for different reasons were crucial to Cork's deserved victory. Dooher simply hadn't it in him to compete with Cork's manic application. The injuries he has battled were laid bare today in an atmopshere that the Dooher we know usually revelled in. McGinley wasn't the Enda of '08 and suffocated out there. Cavanagh's loss was immense for both sides.
My fears were realised regarding the spine of this team. Jordan, Gormley, Mulligan, Hub, Harte, O'Neill, Ricey, McGinley and McGuigan have gone to the well so many times that only superhumans could maintain further. The heart was willing, but the legs were that spark short. Two incidences typified it - when both Gormley and Jordan were dispossessed but the single Cork man - both resulting in scores. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and they come back stronger again but I feel their gloriously best days are behind them. Jordan, 'that man of steel', really tried to rekindle the old drive - breaking tackles and surging into space. It wasn't happening.
Cork better bloody win it now.
Also - Mickey had a bad day at the office. The Justin-Ricey swopping was just confusing and McMahon was badly exposed at CB. He also saw that the HF line were not competing with Cork's HBs. Tommy was not at the races whilst Joe and Brian laboured. The damage was done at 1-7 to 0-3. I thought Mickey would've attempted at least one change there.
Just watched Spillane's aftermatch rant. I feel sorry for him actually. An embarasment.
Quote from: orangeman on August 23, 2009, 11:19:40 PM
Just watched Spillane's aftermatch rant. I feel sorry for him actually. An embarasment.
It was a bit silly really .
What is the Tyrone view on the ref . ? I think Mickey Harte was right to highlight the inconsistencies .
Quote from: johnpower on August 23, 2009, 11:28:01 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 23, 2009, 11:19:40 PM
Just watched Spillane's aftermatch rant. I feel sorry for him actually. An embarasment.
It was a bit silly really .
What is the Tyrone view on the ref . ? I think Mickey Harte was right to highlight the inconsistencies .
He was poor in terms of players knowing what on earth he allowed as it changed every 2-3 mins. Gave us some easy frees but refused to penalise some blatant fouling. Didn't affect the game but a bad, bad day for him. I heard someone on the wireless talking about paying them to improve them. If Bannon had been paid for that today I'd have wrecked Longford.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2009, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 23, 2009, 11:28:01 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 23, 2009, 11:19:40 PM
Just watched Spillane's aftermatch rant. I feel sorry for him actually. An embarasment.
It was a bit silly really .
What is the Tyrone view on the ref . ? I think Mickey Harte was right to highlight the inconsistencies .
He was poor in terms of players knowing what on earth he allowed as it changed every 2-3 mins. Gave us some easy frees but refused to penalise some blatant fouling. Didn't affect the game but a bad, bad day for him. I heard someone on the wireless talking about paying them to improve them. If Bannon had been paid for that today I'd have wrecked Longford.
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He has been the same for the past 9 years or so . The talks of paying refs is a joke .
Poor Kerry though. Armagh minors had Tyrone, Cork and Armagh cheering for them. Pity the Armagh wans didn't return the favour, especially the heifer in section 708 Upper Tier Cusack who suddenly started waving her Armagh flag with 5 mins to go in the senior game.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on August 23, 2009, 10:34:27 PM
We was robbed - not talking about Bannon but some wee shite took a fancy to my sons Moy bag in the back of the motor so proceeded to smash the back window. Cnut.
>:( Sorry to hear that Mac Eoghain. Cnut is right!! >:(
Thanks also for your help with that other matter - much appreciated! ;)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:55:13 PM
QuotePerhaps Spillane's outburst was one of frustration that Kerry will never get a chance to lay the ghost to rest that Tyrone ARE the team of the decade.
Don't mind the poor Kerry crayters-it's the nearest they'll get to gloating after beating Tyrone in the championship!
Up the Rebels!
You had your chance to do back-to-back AI to show us all how supposedly "great" you are and you crumbled as you always do.
Tyrone will never handle the level of expectation and pressure that teams like Kerry, Dublin and Kilkenny have to deal with on a routine basis. You are not worthy champions. That has been proven time and time again.
What in the name of f**k does 'worthy champions' mean? Tyrone were beaten by a good team and a bad ref today in my opinion--it's a shame the latter will take away from the former. 3 Cork men should have walked today apart from the sending off.
What's gonna happen to Philomena's song?
Gutted with the result today but to use a cliche- the better team won on the day.
But sure we know Tyrone like to skip a year in between winning AI's.
Hope it is a Cork V Meath final.
Not long home in Cork after a most enjoyable day. Thought we were in for a classic game until Bannon intervened. Needless sending off, ruined the spectable as Cork understandably had to defend what we had.
Cavanaghs absence was a huge loss for Tyrone and undoubtedly a massive boost for us. Our backs were tenacious and the hunger this team has had all year was there to see. Colm O'Neill is a star in the making, Paddy Kelly covered the whole pitch countless times, his best game in a red shirt.
Fair play to Tyrone, they are still a great team and perhaps today was just a one trip too many to the well for some of them, but I've no doubt they'll be back and if/when we meet again, I hope that the atmosphere, drama and excitement is close to half what it was today, the second half was the probably longest 35 minutes of my life.
Rebels abú!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:55:13 PM
QuotePerhaps Spillane's outburst was one of frustration that Kerry will never get a chance to lay the ghost to rest that Tyrone ARE the team of the decade.
Don't mind the poor Kerry crayters-it's the nearest they'll get to gloating after beating Tyrone in the championship!
Up the Rebels!
You had your chance to do back-to-back AI to show us all how supposedly "great" you are and you crumbled as you always do.
Tyrone will never handle the level of expectation and pressure that teams like Kerry, Dublin and Kilkenny have to deal with on a routine basis. You are not worthy champions. That has been proven time and time again.
You havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it. :D
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
Quote from: orangeman on August 23, 2009, 11:19:40 PM
Just watched Spillane's aftermatch rant. I feel sorry for him actually. An embarasment.
Sad really- a tormented soul. Strange -one would have thought with 8 All-Ireland medals he'd be quite contented.
Quote from: stew on August 24, 2009, 12:35:37 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:55:13 PM
QuotePerhaps Spillane's outburst was one of frustration that Kerry will never get a chance to lay the ghost to rest that Tyrone ARE the team of the decade.
Don't mind the poor Kerry crayters-it's the nearest they'll get to gloating after beating Tyrone in the championship!
Up the Rebels!
You had your chance to do back-to-back AI to show us all how supposedly "great" you are and you crumbled as you always do.
Tyrone will never handle the level of expectation and pressure that teams like Kerry, Dublin and Kilkenny have to deal with on a routine basis. You are not worthy champions. That has been proven time and time again.
You havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it. :D
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope mayo bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
Ah now!
Stew's drunk.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2009, 11:36:38 PM
Poor Kerry though. Armagh minors had Tyrone, Cork and Armagh cheering for them. Pity the Armagh wans didn't return the favour, especially the heifer in section 708 Upper Tier Cusack who suddenly started waving her Armagh flag with 5 mins to go in the senior game.
Aye, reminds me of the wee woman from tyrone who was heading back to the Moy but stopped in at the wee shop on railway street there, she bought a fermanagh flag and when the shopkeeper asked here what part of fermanagh she was from she told him she was from the Moy, that she hated Armagh and that she was going to hang the flag out to piss of her neighbours.
This was a day after fermanagh bate us in the AIQF.
it goes both ways shane as well you know.
I seem to recall the tyrone men refusing to give the 2002 AI champions their due in a 03 league match. ;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 12:40:18 AM
Stew's drunk.
:D
Nah, I am sitting here with a mayoman watching a replay of the game and got the county wrong.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00mb9w7/An_Domhnach_Mor_The_Big_Sunday_23_08_2009/
Actually interesting.
Btw - what happened with Gormley's injury?
looked to me like he got a slap in the stones?
I thought it was more the ribs/chest.
Would echo the views of most on here. Thought Cork were as good a team as I have seen in many years for the first 20 minutes not only with their pace and power but also with their movement and the angles they created. After the sending off which at the time I felt was justified though their game changed completely and what impressed me most was how effective they were at changing their game. Cork to me seemed to go into an immediate plan B and gave a composed performance which ensured they did what they needed to do.
For the record I was there as an Armagh man supporting the Ulster champions and I wasn't alone.
As far as the Miskelly incident goes I would be very very surprised if he was suspended for the final, not saying he shouldnt be just saying I wouldnt be surprised.
As far as Bannon goes, he is the reason that an announcement is now made about the length of injury time to be played. To me that says it all about his quality as a referee.
Congratulations to Cork. Better team won on the day. They showed far more hunger to win today than Tyrone. Was very disappointed in Tyrone's performance today. Most disappointed I have been in a while. Sean was a big miss and too many of their players played well below average. If i had to pick one Tyrone player who played well, it would have been Ricey, though he wasn't spectacular.
The less said about Bannon the better. Gave some bad decisions for both teams, though thought he was more sore on Tyrone IMO. Penalised Tyrone for crowind around Cork men while they had possesion, then let Cork away with it a few times for the same thing. No wonder Mickey Harte wanted a word with Bannon. It's not often you hear Harte on about the ref, though Bannon is quite a special ref! After viewing the O'Connor yellow cards, thought both were justified. The first was a clumsy late tackle and deserved a yellow card, no matter if he slipped or not. The second, he bodychecked Mugsy after he laid the ball off. Players have been booked before for this and will be booked again. Thought he could have gave him a warning as wasn't worthy of a 2nd booking, but still a booking. The Mugsy diving accusations of this incident are laughable. Miskella definitely should have got a straight red and should miss the final. Was a strike and merits a straight red card. McGuigan might have made a bit of a meal of it, but what are you going to do if someone slaps you in the face, close to the eye which you have had serious damage to in the past? Didn't see the Canty incident but the sunday game clowns seem to thing he pushed the line a bit. What minute did this happen in so I can get a look at it?
Hope Meath put it up to Kerry next week and if they can't finish the job, hope Cork do in the final. Too many slabbers down there and a few on this board, who have quite a hatred for Tyrone and Ulster football in general. They may have more All-Irelands and final appearances this decade, fair play for doing so and it's not their fault Tyrone werent there in them years to put it up to them, but they still failed to beat their main rival when it mattered most and you can tell that it annoys them quite a bit.
This won't be the end for this Tyrone team. Dooher and Holmes may call it quits but I think the core of the team will remain and a few years left in them yet. Also time to give up and coming players more game time, the likes of Sean O'Neill, McCaul, Cassidy and having the more experienced men on the bench to steady the ship. Not sure if any of last years minors are ready for the step up, but would do no harm to have Kyle Coney, Peter Harte, Niall, McKenna, Ronan McNabb and Gavin Teague in or around the squad.
RE Gormley incident, think when he was coming out for the ball hegot struck in the ribs/chest by a Cork man trying to tackle him, nothing malicous in it at all.
watch it closer..........I think it was Daniel Goulding stuck his elbow in him as he went by him :-\
Jesus I love this sport.
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 12:51:16 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00mb9w7/An_Domhnach_Mor_The_Big_Sunday_23_08_2009/
Actually interesting.
Listening to this for last 20 minutes, serious amount of crying ::)
Oh good God their even talking about the children :D
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 24, 2009, 01:25:38 AM
Congratulations to Cork. Better team won on the day. They showed far more hunger to win today than Tyrone. Was very disappointed in Tyrone's performance today. Most disappointed I have been in a while. Sean was a big miss and too many of their players played well below average. If i had to pick one Tyrone player who played well, it would have been Ricey, though he wasn't spectacular.
The less said about Bannon the better. Gave some bad decisions for both teams, though thought he was more sore on Tyrone IMO. Penalised Tyrone for crowind around Cork men while they had possesion, then let Cork away with it a few times for the same thing. No wonder Mickey Harte wanted a word with Bannon. It's not often you hear Harte on about the ref, though Bannon is quite a special ref! After viewing the O'Connor yellow cards, thought both were justified. The first was a clumsy late tackle and deserved a yellow card, no matter if he slipped or not. The second, he bodychecked Mugsy after he laid the ball off. Players have been booked before for this and will be booked again. Thought he could have gave him a warning as wasn't worthy of a 2nd booking, but still a booking. The Mugsy diving accusations of this incident are laughable. Miskella definitely should have got a straight red and should miss the final. Was a strike and merits a straight red card. McGuigan might have made a bit of a meal of it, but what are you going to do if someone slaps you in the face, close to the eye which you have had serious damage to in the past? Didn't see the Canty incident but the sunday game clowns seem to thing he pushed the line a bit. What minute did this happen in so I can get a look at it?
Hope Meath put it up to Kerry next week and if they can't finish the job, hope Cork do in the final. Too many slabbers down there and a few on this board, who have quite a hatred for Tyrone and Ulster football in general. They may have more All-Irelands and final appearances this decade, fair play for doing so and it's not their fault Tyrone werent there in them years to put it up to them, but they still failed to beat their main rival when it mattered most and you can tell that it annoys them quite a bit.
This won't be the end for this Tyrone team. Dooher and Holmes may call it quits but I think the core of the team will remain and a few years left in them yet. Also time to give up and coming players more game time, the likes of Sean O'Neill, McCaul, Cassidy and having the more experienced men on the bench to steady the ship. Not sure if any of last years minors are ready for the step up, but would do no harm to have Kyle Coney, Peter Harte, Niall, McKenna, Ronan McNabb and Gavin Teague in or around the squad.
Please tell me you are joking when you say O'Connor body checked Mulligan...he jumped to blcok the ball, didn't move out into Mulligans way at all and barely touched him at all and Mulligan still did a triiple salko...
McGuigan elbowed Miskella in the stomach and got a clip on the back of the bead...it wasn't in the face or anything and he made a massive meal of it...
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
Firstly, well done Cork...fantastic commitment, hunger, drive and passion...qualities that are needed to win AI's and also beat great teams. I fervently hope that they go on and beat Kerry/Meath in the final.
Secondly, some of the anti-Tyrone begrudgery from certain posters is unbelievable...I can understand it to some degree as success does tend to cause the green eyed monster to rear its ugly head. We all want to see our own particular county be successful...that's what being a fan is all about...what I can't get my head around is the fact that many of our neighbouring counties can't lend their support to a fellow Ulster county in the AI context. I was rooting for Armagh minors today...I'll be shouting for Down next week. If it was Armagh or Derry playing Cork today I'd be roaring for them, regardless of how many AI's they have won or haven't won or how many times they have beaten Tyrone. That eejit pontificating about a pure Irish final should put in a grant for more brain cells...go and read up on your Irish history and maybe you will realise what being Irish is really about.
Thirdly, John Bannon was embarassingly bad...but then he always is. Surely the powers that be can see and read about his past performances...if there aren't more consistent referees about (other than McEnaney) then I fear for the game. He got so many things wrong and bottled the big decisions. Cork going to 13 men definitely would have changed the game in Tyrone's favour regardless of how badly they were playing...Canty and Miskella should have gone...not O'Connor.
Fourthly...Tyrone's performance....Mickey Harte as usual says the right things after the match...congratulating Cork on their win and attributing the win to their hunger, desire and stopping Tyrone from playing. However, he must be gutted that so many of his starting 15 played so poorly....wayward passes fom usually reliable men was the norm today...very few of which had anything to do with the Cork intensity. Tyrone's normal attributes were missing....there's no denying it, and that wasn't anything to do with Cork and Mickey I'm sure knows that. Privately he must be seething. Maybe when you have a few Celtic Crosses in your underwear drawer you aren't so keen to put your body in where it hurts, who knows?
Fifthly, some posters are saying that this is the end of the Tyrone team. I personally don't think so. Maybe Brian Dooher might hang up the boots. He has nothing to prove and maybe nothing to gain in the forseeable future. Looking down the line into the future, which Mickey will be doing, I think it could be 3 or 4 years before some of the upcoming talent break into the senior setup and allow Tyrone to once again challenge for Sam...but I can't see wholesale retirements.
Lastly....Kerry may win more AI's this decade....but they still couldn't beat Tyrone when it really counted...accept it Mike!
Quote from: popinpoput on August 24, 2009, 01:54:48 AM
Firstly, well done Cork...fantastic commitment, hunger, drive and passion...qualities that are needed to win AI's and also beat great teams. I fervently hope that they go on and beat Kerry/Meath in the final.
Secondly, some of the anti-Tyrone begrudgery from certain posters is unbelievable...I can understand it to some degree as success does tend to cause the green eyed monster to rear its ugly head. We all want to see our own particular county be successful...that's what being a fan is all about...what I can't get my head around is the fact that many of our neighbouring counties can't lend their support to a fellow Ulster county in the AI context. I was rooting for Armagh minors today...I'll be shouting for Down next week. If it was Armagh or Derry playing Cork today I'd be roaring for them, regardless of how many AI's they have won or haven't won or how many times they have beaten Tyrone. That eejit pontificating about a pure Irish final should put in a grant for more brain cells...go and read up on your Irish history and maybe you will realise what being Irish is really about.
Thirdly, John Bannon was embarassingly bad...but then he always is. Surely the powers that be can see and read about his past performances...if there aren't more consistent referees about (other than McEnaney) then I fear for the game. He got so many things wrong and bottled the big decisions. Cork going to 13 men definitely would have changed the game in Tyrone's favour regardless of how badly they were playing...Canty and Miskella should have gone...not O'Connor.
Fourthly...Tyrone's performance....Mickey Harte as usual says the right things after the match...congratulating Cork on their win and attributing the win to their hunger, desire and stopping Tyrone from playing. However, he must be gutted that so many of his starting 15 played so poorly....wayward passes fom usually reliable men was the norm today...very few of which had anything to do with the Cork intensity. Tyrone's normal attributes were missing....there's no denying it, and that wasn't anything to do with Cork and Mickey I'm sure knows that. Privately he must be seething. Maybe when you have a few Celtic Crosses in your underwear drawer you aren't so keen to put your body in where it hurts, who knows?
Fifthly, some posters are saying that this is the end of the Tyrone team. I personally don't think so. Maybe Brian Dooher might hang up the boots. He has nothing to prove and maybe nothing to gain in the forseeable future. Looking down the line into the future, which Mickey will be doing, I think it could be 3 or 4 years before some of the upcoming talent break into the senior setup and allow Tyrone to once again challenge for Sam...but I can't see wholesale retirements.
Lastly....Kerry may win more AI's this decade....but they still couldn't beat Tyrone when it really counted...accept it Mike!
I understand why you chose the handle "popinpoput"...just like your team..popin one year then popout the next.
Quote from: popinpoput on August 24, 2009, 01:54:48 AM
Firstly, well done Cork...fantastic commitment, hunger, drive and passion...qualities that are needed to win AI's and also beat great teams. I fervently hope that they go on and beat Kerry/Meath in the final.
Secondly, some of the anti-Tyrone begrudgery from certain posters is unbelievable...I can understand it to some degree as success does tend to cause the green eyed monster to rear its ugly head. We all want to see our own particular county be successful...that's what being a fan is all about...what I can't get my head around is the fact that many of our neighbouring counties can't lend their support to a fellow Ulster county in the AI context. I was rooting for Armagh minors today...I'll be shouting for Down next week. If it was Armagh or Derry playing Cork today I'd be roaring for them, regardless of how many AI's they have won or haven't won or how many times they have beaten Tyrone. That eejit pontificating about a pure Irish final should put in a grant for more brain cells...go and read up on your Irish history and maybe you will realise what being Irish is really about.
Thirdly, John Bannon was embarassingly bad...but then he always is. Surely the powers that be can see and read about his past performances...if there aren't more consistent referees about (other than McEnaney) then I fear for the game. He got so many things wrong and bottled the big decisions. Cork going to 13 men definitely would have changed the game in Tyrone's favour regardless of how badly they were playing...Canty and Miskella should have gone...not O'Connor.
Fourthly...Tyrone's performance....Mickey Harte as usual says the right things after the match...congratulating Cork on their win and attributing the win to their hunger, desire and stopping Tyrone from playing. However, he must be gutted that so many of his starting 15 played so poorly....wayward passes fom usually reliable men was the norm today...very few of which had anything to do with the Cork intensity. Tyrone's normal attributes were missing....there's no denying it, and that wasn't anything to do with Cork and Mickey I'm sure knows that. Privately he must be seething. Maybe when you have a few Celtic Crosses in your underwear drawer you aren't so keen to put your body in where it hurts, who knows?
Fifthly, some posters are saying that this is the end of the Tyrone team. I personally don't think so. Maybe Brian Dooher might hang up the boots. He has nothing to prove and maybe nothing to gain in the forseeable future. Looking down the line into the future, which Mickey will be doing, I think it could be 3 or 4 years before some of the upcoming talent break into the senior setup and allow Tyrone to once again challenge for Sam...but I can't see wholesale retirements.
Lastly....Kerry may win more AI's this decade....but they still couldn't beat Tyrone when it really counted...accept it Mike!
Bit like yerselves, Mike!
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 24, 2009, 01:45:41 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 24, 2009, 01:25:38 AM
Congratulations to Cork. Better team won on the day. They showed far more hunger to win today than Tyrone. Was very disappointed in Tyrone's performance today. Most disappointed I have been in a while. Sean was a big miss and too many of their players played well below average. If i had to pick one Tyrone player who played well, it would have been Ricey, though he wasn't spectacular.
The less said about Bannon the better. Gave some bad decisions for both teams, though thought he was more sore on Tyrone IMO. Penalised Tyrone for crowind around Cork men while they had possesion, then let Cork away with it a few times for the same thing. No wonder Mickey Harte wanted a word with Bannon. It's not often you hear Harte on about the ref, though Bannon is quite a special ref! After viewing the O'Connor yellow cards, thought both were justified. The first was a clumsy late tackle and deserved a yellow card, no matter if he slipped or not. The second, he bodychecked Mugsy after he laid the ball off. Players have been booked before for this and will be booked again. Thought he could have gave him a warning as wasn't worthy of a 2nd booking, but still a booking. The Mugsy diving accusations of this incident are laughable. Miskella definitely should have got a straight red and should miss the final. Was a strike and merits a straight red card. McGuigan might have made a bit of a meal of it, but what are you going to do if someone slaps you in the face, close to the eye which you have had serious damage to in the past? Didn't see the Canty incident but the sunday game clowns seem to thing he pushed the line a bit. What minute did this happen in so I can get a look at it?
Hope Meath put it up to Kerry next week and if they can't finish the job, hope Cork do in the final. Too many slabbers down there and a few on this board, who have quite a hatred for Tyrone and Ulster football in general. They may have more All-Irelands and final appearances this decade, fair play for doing so and it's not their fault Tyrone werent there in them years to put it up to them, but they still failed to beat their main rival when it mattered most and you can tell that it annoys them quite a bit.
This won't be the end for this Tyrone team. Dooher and Holmes may call it quits but I think the core of the team will remain and a few years left in them yet. Also time to give up and coming players more game time, the likes of Sean O'Neill, McCaul, Cassidy and having the more experienced men on the bench to steady the ship. Not sure if any of last years minors are ready for the step up, but would do no harm to have Kyle Coney, Peter Harte, Niall, McKenna, Ronan McNabb and Gavin Teague in or around the squad.
Please tell me you are joking when you say O'Connor body checked Mulligan...he jumped to blcok the ball, didn't move out into Mulligans way at all and barely touched him at all and Mulligan still did a triiple salko...
McGuigan elbowed Miskella in the stomach and got a clip on the back of the bead...it wasn't in the face or anything and he made a massive meal of it...
Bodychecked is probably the wrong word, but after Mugsy played the ball O'Connor went into him. How you can say he barely touched him is laughable. If someone took your legs from under you would you remain on you feet? Hardly think it, but sure you Dublin boys are made of stronger stuff.
Regarding the Miskella incident, he still hit McGuigan. I said McGuigan made a bit of a meal of it, but he still hit him in the face/head or where ever it was at and deserved to be sent off for it.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 24, 2009, 07:10:52 AM
Regarding the Miskella incident, he still hit McGuigan. I said McGuigan made a bit of a meal of it, but he still hit him in the face/head or where ever it was at and deserved to be sent off for it.
I'm glad he wasn't lined for it. It would be hard to face getting a lesson like that had Cork only 13 men.
While I'm gutted to be at the recieveing end of that, fair play to Cork, they have set a new standard.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 24, 2009, 07:19:34 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 24, 2009, 07:10:52 AM
Regarding the Miskella incident, he still hit McGuigan. I said McGuigan made a bit of a meal of it, but he still hit him in the face/head or where ever it was at and deserved to be sent off for it.
I'm glad he wasn't lined for it. It would be hard to face getting a lesson like that had Cork only 13 men.
While I'm gutted to be at the recieveing end of that, fair play to Cork, they have set a new standard.
The result wouldn't have changed if he was sent off or not, though get your point about the 13 men. Derry still hear plenty of it about Tyrone beating them with 13 men in '95.
Cork did a Tyrone on Tyrone. Very similar to Tyrone in 2003, doing everyhing possible to finally get over the line to win the AI. Seems to be paying off anyway and best of luck in the final.
Quote from: magickingdom on August 23, 2009, 08:42:07 PM
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on August 23, 2009, 06:05:50 PM
no harm the nordies were beat at least there will be a pure irish final now
guys like you make me puke
Seconded, why does someone say this shite every now and again. North Ireland Gaels are more Irish than most and equal with everyone.
Cork were good and controlled every sector. Worthy winners and I hope they go on and win.
Note to Tyrone gaels, its not nice to applaud the sending off of anyone especially to be sent off by the incompetence of John Bannon.
Note to Cork Gaels, beat Kerry, for the sake of football.
Note to Armagh gaels, when a county lends their support to your minor team, it would be the honourable thing to do to support your neighbour back.
Note to Croke Park-get your head out the clouds and review your pricing structure. Plus, if Im paying £45 id like to be provided the water to wash my hands after I go to the toilet.
Note to clampers-go and die!!!
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2009, 10:17:19 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't think McGuigan play acted? That was a decent aul dig.
No
I think it was a closed fist too.
Miskella should miss the final - guys like Tommy Freeman missed more this year for less
Then again if the GAA and CCCCCCCCC are biased towards the bigger counties and southern ones should anyone be surprised?
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 24, 2009, 01:34:56 AM
watch it closer..........I think it was Daniel Goulding stuck his elbow in him as he went by him :-\
Might have a broken rib
Mike - you've been spouting some sh!te this past while
O Connor's sending off was ridiculous - 1st yellow card was deserved, 2nd one wasnt. As for those who said Mugsy dives, catch a grip. What do people want him to do when he is tripped?
Miskella deserved to walk. Regardless of how hard it was, he struck & should have walked. Would love to know what he got booked for? Doesnt matter if it is a final, the CCCCCCCCCC will have to investigate it.
Gormley was found out yesterday. Two scores came directly from his mistakes (touching the ball on ground & losing the ball in the tackle). Was good to see the referee not falling for his diving every time there is any contact with him.
Canty walked a very very fine line & probably deserved to walk for persistant fouling. In saying that all successful teams have these type of players
Harte had a very bad day at the office. Kept faith with a lot of his older/experienced players for far too long in the match.
Dooher has ran out of steam. Has been a tremendous servant to Tyrone but his time has come. Won a free in the first half by simply falling. Done the same in the 2nd half but the referee didnt fall for it a second time.
Davy Harte should NOT be allowed to shoot again!
Cavanagh was a massive loss to Tyrone. When things were going tough they had no-one to take the game by the scruff of the neck & take the game to Cork.
As has been said on many occasions, O Neill is a superb player. Looked like scoring everytime he got the ball.
Cork are a massive strong running team. If they perform it will be very very difficult to get a result against them
I think it was a very good game and the right team won!
The ref was a bit of a disaster but it was all round, not just bad calls against Tyrone. After all Tyrone did have an extra man for a lot of the game. Yes, Miskella should prob have been sent off but that was well into the second half.
Cork played brilliantly and really deserved their win
Did Tyrone's short kickout stategy work against them in the second half?
Fair enough they had guaranteed posession (so long as their backs didn't come inside the 21 to receive the ball :-) ) but by the time they worked the ball out the Cork half forwards and midfield had come back with the ball. Meaning inside the Cork 45 was hugely congested.
I say this because Stephen O'Neill looked unplayable in the first half but we didn't see any of him in the second.
Did they have any choice in their kickout strategy, given Cork seemed to have an edge on the kickouts in the first half?
Once Alan O'Connor was off and Cavanagh on would it have been worth a try to launch a few long in his direction?
The better team won on the day, Tyrone were totally outplayed. The Ref didnt do either team any favours
The Tyrone weaknesses from the Kildare game came back again, mainly our two wing half backs being exposed for pace and defensive duties & likewise for PJ Quinn.
Both Jordan & Harte were a mile of the pace, dont know why Sean O Neill wasnt introduced earlier, showed his pace when he came on and was up for the challenge. I can see him claiming the Nr 5 or 7 Jersey next year.
Cork completely deserved their victory, I underestimated just how good a team they are. Its been a long long time since I seen Tyrone rattled like that. The loss of Cavanagh certainly had a bearing on the game, he took it to them when he made an appearance.
I thought Bannon had a nightmare and its not often you hear a large section of support booing the ref off at half time. Like Full Back I would like to know what Miskella was booked for, either he struck or he didn't (which he did). Bannon wasn't up with the play at all. In the first half when Monobrow thought he had won a 45, he was in the umpires face and obviously said something out of order. The umpire then put his hand up at which point Bannon just waved it down and made nothing out of it. Also in the 2nd half McConnell kicked at least 3 short kickouts that didn't go over the 21, one of them actually went backwards as it was on the 21, and he failed to spot this. I only noticed these as we were directly behind those goals. Bannon was bad.
Cork will certainly put it up to Kerry (or Meath) and it would make for a great final were they to play Kerry.
On a lighter note I advised a fellow poster to do Daniel Goulding for first goal. Did I do him? Of course I didn't. f**k.
Ah jeez, I woke up this morn with that horrible sinking feeling. Completely gutted but I'll get over it.
If Cork continue at that pace, it will take a team to be playing at their best to beat them, and unfortunately Tyrone just weren't at their best.
If Bannon had been doing his job properly he would have penalised Ricey and whoever else
lifted the short kickout inside the 21, as noted above. Cork used low handpasses quite a bit which always worked, interesting to see that.
I've heard of two Tyrone players who indicated that this would be their last year, even in advance of this match. Sad to see them go out that way if indeed they hang up the boots.
Well done Cork - you have been impressive all year.I remember you beating us in Cork in the League a few years ago and yesterday was a similar performance. I hope you beat Spillane`s girls in the final if they get that far. Be careful though if ifs a sharper ref in the final who may not allow the level of phyicality as much as that bollix Bannon did. Stephen O Neil , Kevin Hughes and a few others send their apologies to your boys for not being able to swop their starting match jerseys with your lads ,but tell them to blame O Neills - must have been a bad batch of Jerseys they got yesterday.
Rebels for Sam.
Tyrone not going away you know.
On the Miskella incident, with all the clls for him to be suspended, no one has mentioned that McGuigan should be also. Miskella hit him a lsap on the head, but McGuigan struck him an elbow in the ribs. Both striking actions both sending off offences. Parity is everything.
On that kick out Rois, did Cork not score from dispossessing a Tyrone man as he came out?
Well done Cork. I really enjoyed the first half yesterday, but I have to say that was one of the worst refereeing performances I've seen. I don't normally bang on about referees, but Bannon was shocking. Players and Managers give out about consistency, but usually they mean one mans style versus another's. Bannon was inconsistent vis a vis his own decisions in the same game. O'Connor was unlucky to go, but Miskella was steeped he didn't go. The only thing may have been it was more of a push than a box, but Donnacha O'Connor got sent off for a lot less last year.
I thought Cork were unbelievably cynical as well, especially in the second half, but all through the game they were obviously going to drag the Tyrone man down rather than let him run. Even Gormley's turnover, and the one off Jordan or Harte in the second half were going to be fouls if the Tyrone man held on to the ball. If Tyrone, Armagh or any of the northern teams had deployed those tactics we'd have been screaming blue murder about cynicism, so fair is fair. Cork were as bad or worse as any of those teams have ever shown.
That been said, when Cork played football in the first half, their power, pace and direct play was fantastic. I still think they may have mental issues, they seemed to tie up badly and kicked 13 or 14 wides. If Tyrone had managed a goal, I think they'd have kicked on and won it. Of course this win may well remove those doubts from Cork, but if Kerry get over Meath I wonder will Cork get white line fever?
They should be allowed to pick their own time of departure after all they have given to the Tyrone cause over the last 10 years but I think that will be the end of Dooher, Holmes, Gourley and maybe Gormly.
Cork where deserving winners buts its a pity that Bannon is being talked about and not the performance that Cork put in. He is and always has been a poor ref. They sailed very close to the wind with their discipline but they pushed it as far as they where let and any good team does the same.
Ref was poor indeed - spare a thought for me, I was sitting with the Tyrone referees and assessors!
Ah bc1, that might well have been the case, can't remember. It happened at least twice though, probably only fair if Cork got at lease one score.
A couple of other things:
Tyrone's use of the extra man was a disaster. Ricey, then Harte, were simply marking space in the half back line whilst Cork camped in their own half. The extra man should've been deployed further up the field, giving Tyrone more options in a half forward line that didn't turn up. As said before, Mickey Harte had a bad day too.
Secondly, although Cork deserved to win, they were there for the taking too. Tyrone lost by 5 playing badly. The crucial moment for me was at the start of the second half a minute after O'Neill had left 4 in it. It looked like the Kildare game revisited. Mugsy took a free from where Canavan scored in 05 and dropped it short. You could see the annoyance on O'Neill's face. If Tyrone had turned the screw then we would've seen what Cork were made of. Cork are well set up to defend a good lead. Level pegging with 10 mins left would've been a different matter.
As Billy Boots has said on another thread, Carney & Canning are some tools while commentating.
The free Gormley gave away at the start of the game was a touch ball on the ground.
But the 2 planks went on & on & f**king on that it wasnt a free.
For Christ sake, were they even watching the game >:(
On the Miskella/Mc Guigan incident.
If Mc Guigan did hit Miskella in the ribs then he deserves to be punished for it, but the punishment for striking is more severe than hitting someone an elbow in the ribs.
It is besides the point, but Im sure Mc Guigan doesnt care about it this morning, it is Miskella who will be more worried
QuoteCork were as bad or worse as any of those teams have ever shown.
Very, very cynical alright - a pity, as their passing and movement in the first 20 minutes was as good as any I've seen.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
i know its against the rules to reveal a posters identity , but it must be obvious to everyone now,
Mike Sheehy IS Pat Spillane
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
A couple of other things:
Tyrone's use of the extra man was a disaster. Ricey, then Harte, were simply marking space in the half back line whilst Cork camped in their own half. The extra man should've been deployed further up the field, giving Tyrone more options in a half forward line that didn't turn up. As said before, Mickey Harte had a bad day too.
Secondly, although Cork deserved to win, they were there for the taking too. Tyrone lost by 5 playing badly. The crucial moment for me was at the start of the second half a minute after O'Neill had left 4 in it. It looked like the Kildare game revisited. Mugsy took a free from where Canavan scored in 05 and dropped it short. You could see the annoyance on O'Neill's face. If Tyrone had turned the screw then we would've seen what Cork were made of. Cork are well set up to defend a good lead. Level pegging with 10 mins left would've been a different matter.
O'Neills annoyance at that time was with Bannon. He could have caught the free from Mulligan but Lynch put both arms around him stopping him from jumping. It should have been a free, im not sure where exactly he was standing as it could even have been a penalty.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 20, 2009, 03:40:09 PM
should be a good game.
Looking forward going to it.
Will tryone manage to keep the margin of defeat to cork within 4 points though !
the answer was no
even with the man extra.
Cork as one or two on here have been saying (zulu and myself at least) since he start of the season - are def good enough to win the AI- and are prob te best team in the country.
The last test is to come.
v kerry - will failures past drag the rebels down ?
or
will old scores be settled if meath cause an upset v the kingdom ?
Didnt expect tyrone to be able to do back to back all Irelands - its nigh impossible these days (lets face it one of Kerry's was against self-destruct-mayo so hardly counts!)
imo tyrone Peaked way too early in the championship also.
Quote from: full back on August 24, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
As Billy Boots has said on another thread, Carney & Canning are some tools while commentating.
The free Gormley gave away at the start of the game was a touch ball on the ground.
But the 2 planks went on & on & f**king on that it wasnt a free.
For Christ sake, were they even watching the game >:(
That was doing my head in also. Because the producer showed a couple of replays of Conor Gormley picking the ball cleanly the went on and on about the call. Saying how justice was done when O'Connor missed the free. Sure everyone saw Gormley stop the ball on the ground with his hand before picking it up. You'd wonder how the 2 of them missed it.
Best team won. Cork's applied agression to their superior power and Tyrone had no answer. Yes Cork were cynical and pushed it to the limit phycially but Tyrone are no angels in that department so no harm to see them get a piece of their own medicine.
That being said it's nonsense to claim Tyrone were'nt "worthy champions". They've played some brilliant football this season as current champions. Why on the basis of one defeat are so many people (especially O'Rourke) writing their obituary.
It goes without saying that both sides yesterday made huge sacrifices in preparing for this semi final. The very minimum they deserve is a ref who is at least competent. John Bannon failed abysmally in this regard. He was completely out of his depth. The sending off was undeserved but Miskella definitely should have went regardless of McGuigan's dive. There were lots of other decisions along the way that must have really frustrated both sides. This is not his first time to c**k up in big matches. As far back as 2001 there were jokes about Galway presenting him with an AI medal for his wonky decisions that helped them on their way to Sam. Yet here he is in 2009 getting a match of this stature to ref...
I really think Cork can go all the way. They have a calmness to them which was evident when they lost a man so early in the match. Very businesslike. I think this will stand to them against either Kerry or Meath. Hope they win it. Great to see the likes of Anthony Lynch & Graham Canty get all Ireland medals.
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 24, 2009, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: full back on August 24, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
As Billy Boots has said on another thread, Carney & Canning are some tools while commentating.
The free Gormley gave away at the start of the game was a touch ball on the ground.
But the 2 planks went on & on & f**king on that it wasnt a free.
For Christ sake, were they even watching the game >:(
That was doing my head in also. Because the producer showed a couple of replays of Conor Gormley picking the ball cleanly the went on and on about the call. Saying how justice was done when O'Connor missed the free. Sure everyone saw Gormley stop the ball on the ground with his hand before picking it up. You'd wonder how the 2 of them missed it.
A few hundred thousand saw it
Carney is a wet blanket
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
A couple of other things:
Tyrone's use of the extra man was a disaster. Ricey, then Harte, were simply marking space in the half back line whilst Cork camped in their own half. The extra man should've been deployed further up the field, giving Tyrone more options in a half forward line that didn't turn up. As said before, Mickey Harte had a bad day too.
Secondly, although Cork deserved to win, they were there for the taking too. Tyrone lost by 5 playing badly. The crucial moment for me was at the start of the second half a minute after O'Neill had left 4 in it. It looked like the Kildare game revisited. Mugsy took a free from where Canavan scored in 05 and dropped it short. You could see the annoyance on O'Neill's face. If Tyrone had turned the screw then we would've seen what Cork were made of. Cork are well set up to defend a good lead. Level pegging with 10 mins left would've been a different matter.
i think this was a big turning point as well. if mugsy had've put it over the scoreline would have been 1-9 to 0-9 but cork went straight up the field and scored a point to go 5 ahead again. sean cavanagh also missed a very scorebale free and the free taking has been a major problem for tyrone.
I'm not sure about Cork's 'calmness'. I thought they came close to losing the run of themselves for about 10 minutes in the second half. As I said, if Tyrone had managed to raise a gallop, I think Cork may have imploded.
Still, that will stand to them, and physically they have all the tools.
How good is Stephen O'Neill by the way? Tyrone were completely shut down but even then he had the beating of probably the best man marker in the game consistently.
QuoteHow good is Stephen O'Neill by the way? Tyrone were completely shut down but even then he had the beating of probably the best man marker in the game consistently.
To me, he looked the best forward on the field, easily. Young O'Neill and Kelly look some prospects too.
Yep. Tyrone have still a good team there, but I fear it's getting to the end of the line for lads like Dooher (sad to see him going off), Gormley, Jordan and maybe even McMenemin. Dooher's body looked to have finally started to see the effect of his injuries and his all action style.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 10:06:23 AM
I'm not sure about Cork's 'calmness'. I thought they came close to losing the run of themselves for about 10 minutes in the second half. As I said, if Tyrone had managed to raise a gallop, I think Cork may have imploded.
Still, that will stand to them, and physically they have all the tools.
How good is Stephen O'Neill by the way? Tyrone were completely shut down but even then he had the beating of probably the best man marker in the game consistently.
Agree - I thought Cork were playing dangerously
But I wasn't as impressed with O'Neill as you
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 24, 2009, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 20, 2009, 03:40:09 PM
should be a good game.
Looking forward going to it.
Will tryone manage to keep the margin of defeat to cork within 4 points though !
the answer was no
even with the man extra.
Cork as one or two on here have been saying (zulu and myself at least) since he start of the season - are def good enough to win the AI- and are prob te best team in the country.
The last test is to come.
v kerry - will failures past drag the rebels down ?
or
will old scores be settled if meath cause an upset v the kingdom ?
Didnt expect tyrone to be able to do back to back all Irelands - its nigh impossible these days (lets face it one of Kerry's was against self-destruct-mayo so hardly counts!)
imo tyrone Peaked way too early in the championship also.
Don't think Tyrone peaked at all. Peaking is a myth anyway in my view. The lack of pace in the Tyrone team was extraordinary yesterday- compared to Cork they looked distinctly one paced. The subs who came on for Tyrone semed to be a yard faster than the guys playing. The biggest problem facing Tyrone is the energiser bunny half back line it had has lost some pace and they have no centre back. They also have a major problem in the half forward line- won't be easy replacing the likes of Dooher. But they still have enough class players left to create a newer team with some changes.
Jaysus JMohan, why were you not impressed with O'Neill? In a game like that, where one team is physically dominating the other, and enjoying a lot of possession and turnovers, you rarely see a corner forward winning ball and scoring. Gooch among others have suffered from that affliction against Tyrone in the past. When the boot was on the other foot, you still had O'Neill being very dangerous, and he was being marked by a man I consider to be a fantastic corner back.
If Tyrone were winning the physical and possession exchanges, O'Neill looked like he could have kicked 6 or 7 points yesterday. He scored 3 from play as it was.
Tyrone never peaked because they never had a decent challenge this year apart from Kildare until the Cork game where they were caught
That would not have helped them at all.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 10:19:38 AM
Jaysus JMohan, why were you not impressed with O'Neill? In a game like that, where one team is physically dominating the other, and enjoying a lot of possession and turnovers, you rarely see a corner forward winning ball and scoring. Gooch among others have suffered from that affliction against Tyrone in the past. When the boot was on the other foot, you still had O'Neill being very dangerous, and he was being marked by a man I consider to be a fantastic corner back.
If Tyrone were winning the physical and possession exchanges, O'Neill looked like he could have kicked 6 or 7 points yesterday. He scored 3 from play as it was.
I was impressed with O Neill yesteday and the fact that Tyrone couldn't find any way to isolate him shows how excellently Cork were organised defensively. i would say they spent hours in the last few weeks getting their alignment right. Counihan really is a top class coach.
Cork were by far the better team yesterday and fully deserved the win.
Barring Steven O'Neill (probably the best forward in the country) Tyrone lost every single individual battle.
I think Cork wanted it more on the day but they also have a very big talented team. IMO Cork will win the AI. Not because they beat Tyrone, but because they are the best team in the country.
Tyrone are still going to be a good team, but It's hard to see them winning another AI soon. Their leaders were all taken off yesterday, Dooher, McGinley, Gormley and we've probably seen the best of them. I think probably the only possible retirements will be Dooher and McGinley but even at that I think that it will be impossible to replace them in the short term. Ulster will be wide open next year....but Cork could well be the new dynasty in footballing terms.
Congratulations to Cork they were great yesterday. the best team won on the day. I am still gutted about the way the game unfolded, not least Mr. Bannon. He was poor for both teams and as a tyrone man I think he got a lot of big calls wrong. I am suprised however that theres so little talk about Canty's kicking of the Tyrone player on the ground. He did not drop his knee as others have suggested but it was a clear kick. For this reason he should not have been MOTM in my opinion. There were however many fine performances by a number of Cork players that could have been MOTM performances. Again congratulations to Cork and Armagh.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 24, 2009, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2009, 10:25:36 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 10:19:38 AM
Jaysus JMohan, why were you not impressed with O'Neill? In a game like that, where one team is physically dominating the other, and enjoying a lot of possession and turnovers, you rarely see a corner forward winning ball and scoring. Gooch among others have suffered from that affliction against Tyrone in the past. When the boot was on the other foot, you still had O'Neill being very dangerous, and he was being marked by a man I consider to be a fantastic corner back.
If Tyrone were winning the physical and possession exchanges, O'Neill looked like he could have kicked 6 or 7 points yesterday. He scored 3 from play as it was.
I was impressed with O Neill yesteday and the fact that Tyrone couldn't find any way to isolate him shows how excellently Cork were organised defensively. i would say they spent hours in the last few weeks getting their alignment right. Counihan really is a top class coach.
I though Tyrones short kick outs helped Cork a lot out in this department. When to recieve the ball on your own 21m line, its a long long way up Croke park through 15 men the size of Cork. Pretty simple to have everyone file back slightly. Cork let Tyrone have the handy short kick out and all they had to do was crowd the defence out.
I know but tyrone couldn't win a break to save their life yesteday. Kicking it short was an act of submission- reminded me of what dublin had to do with Kerry a few weeks backs. Also the amount of times tyrone lads lost pace carrying the ball throught the tackle was extraordinary and the ball was just stripped off them. That used to be their forte- only sean cavanagh seemed to be able to carry the ball through the tackle without losing it.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2009, 10:17:31 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 24, 2009, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 20, 2009, 03:40:09 PM
should be a good game.
Looking forward going to it.
Will tryone manage to keep the margin of defeat to cork within 4 points though !
the answer was no
even with the man extra.
Cork as one or two on here have been saying (zulu and myself at least) since he start of the season - are def good enough to win the AI- and are prob te best team in the country.
The last test is to come.
v kerry - will failures past drag the rebels down ?
or
will old scores be settled if meath cause an upset v the kingdom ?
Didnt expect tyrone to be able to do back to back all Irelands - its nigh impossible these days (lets face it one of Kerry's was against self-destruct-mayo so hardly counts!)
imo tyrone Peaked way too early in the championship also.
Don't think Tyrone peaked at all. Peaking is a myth anyway in my view. The lack of pace in the Tyrone team was extraordinary yesterday- compared to Cork they looked distinctly one paced. The subs who came on for Tyrone semed to be a yard faster than the guys playing. The biggest problem facing Tyrone is the energiser bunny half back line it had has lost some pace and they have no centre back. They also have a major problem in the half forward line- won't be easy replacing the likes of Dooher. But they still have enough class players left to create a newer team with some changes.
imo tyrone peaked as much as this team could do. If you are measuring it against prev years then they peaked some year before this one.
They played as well as they possibly had to or could do against Armagh and Derry.
You think peaking is a myth. I dont but theres no point having an argument about it.
No problem.
Certainly theres a lack of pace in tyrone yesterday.
Cork were bigger, stronger, faster and tyrone moved the ball slowly and deliberately up the field as they knew that all the one v one battles were being won by cork - due to speed and strength.
My oul lad was giving out on how dirty Cork were when I ended up back at his place after coming home from the game. While I didnt see it during the game, the sunday game kind of backed this up. However, the best teams are always somewhat cynical and borderline 'dirty'. I applaud cork for that.
as I said last week, Tyrones matchups will be critical and if Harte went for the line up as named, they would be in trouble.
Cork were so dominant that I reckoned that getting a man sent off would leave it an even contest as with 15 men each we would have seen a kerry v dublin type scoreline.
Hard to do it two years in a row. The milage catches up with you.
I'd like to see that cork team win the AI - they deserve it, but as mayo and dublin will show, you dont always get that.
Quote from: clarshack on August 24, 2009, 10:06:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
A couple of other things:
Tyrone's use of the extra man was a disaster. Ricey, then Harte, were simply marking space in the half back line whilst Cork camped in their own half. The extra man should've been deployed further up the field, giving Tyrone more options in a half forward line that didn't turn up. As said before, Mickey Harte had a bad day too.
Secondly, although Cork deserved to win, they were there for the taking too. Tyrone lost by 5 playing badly. The crucial moment for me was at the start of the second half a minute after O'Neill had left 4 in it. It looked like the Kildare game revisited. Mugsy took a free from where Canavan scored in 05 and dropped it short. You could see the annoyance on O'Neill's face. If Tyrone had turned the screw then we would've seen what Cork were made of. Cork are well set up to defend a good lead. Level pegging with 10 mins left would've been a different matter.
i think this was a big turning point as well. if mugsy had've put it over the scoreline would have been 1-9 to 0-9 but cork went straight up the field and scored a point to go 5 ahead again. sean cavanagh also missed a very scorebale free and the free taking has been a major problem for tyrone.
I thought the biggest moment was when Sean Cavanagh flashed his shot just wide of the post.
One minute he was miles out and was well covered.
The next he had brushed past our full abck and the ball was in the side netting.
What way would the game of gone if that had gone the other side of the post?
But it didn't so it's probably best to forget about it.
You can tie yourself up in knots with "what ifs" 8)
I thought Stevie O'Neill was excellent yesterday, his point in the first half after turning Lynch and putting it over with the outside of the boot was class, Tyrone couldnt get the ball to him or isolate him.
Cork were extremely well organised and thoroughly deserved their win. Their athleticism and physicality was extremely impressive and their tackling was top notch. They won the game in the first 20 mins with that early blitz and had the confidence in their own ability to close the win out.
Tyrone were flat, one paced and disjointed. The assured level of performance we have became accustomed to was not there yesterday but thats the way it goes some times. Talk of retirement, end of an era etc is slightly premature these players and the management team deserve the right to some time away and reflection, they have earned it.
I heard no complaints from Tyrone supporters yesterday. That is a good Cork team and were never in danger of losing. We have had a great few years tho I think the Sunday Game panel are a bit premature in deciding this is the end of it. Dooher will be a massive loss alright but can't see minor class of '98 retiring yet.
Looks like Raymond Mulgrew won't be the star we thought a few years ago when he was getting an All Star nomination. Not sure about PJ Quinn now either but Cassidy has plenty to offer and Kyle Coney, Niall McKenna and Peter Harte will come through. We'll be okay. Cork for Sam.
The best team won and deservedly so therefore we can have no complaints. It would have been a much better game if Sean Cavanagh had been fully fit and no harm to Tommy McGuigan but it was almost as if we had started the game with 14 players such was his contribution in the 1st half. Fair play to Cork they held onto their lead well and only needed to contain us in the last 15 mins to close the game out.
Mugsy's missed point was the turning point. Had it gone over we'd have had a frentic finish to the game.
All the shite talk about Tyrone playin in third gear during Ulster etc and that they will step it up. I had a feelin this "3rd" gear was them playin well and it was shown yesterday that Tyrone againist Antrim & Kildare was a good as they could have played this year. I think it will be a while before Tyrone lift Sam again and to be honest my wallet could do with the break.
QuoteTyrone are still going to be a good team, but It's hard to see them winning another AI soon. Their leaders were all taken off yesterday, Dooher, McGinley, Gormley and we've probably seen the best of them. I think probably the only possible retirements will be Dooher and McGinley but even at that I think that it will be impossible to replace them in the short term. Ulster will be wide open next year....but Cork could well be the new dynasty in footballing terms.
Cork were brilliant yesterday, Tyrone were terrible. Beat by 5 points was it? Hardly a mauling. I can't understand how people come out and fire names off randomly regarding retirements etc. Sure Colm Cooper should have retired before the Dublin game too should he have not? I think Dooher will call it quits and Collie Holmes, but the majority of the rest will stay. Enda McGinley is a brilliant athlete and footballer, and has only came back from a bad injury and as a result doesn't have his best game - hardly a call for retirement expecially considering his age and previous. Tyrone would have been a different animal yesterday if McGinley and Sean Cavanagh had been 100%, but they weren;t and Tyrone were beaten by the better team on the day. I don't see how Cork will start a footballing dynasty either, their key players are getting on a bit and its not like they have dominated underage football. I hope Mickey Harte stays on but he needs to freshen things up personnel wise. The only comment anyone would have against Harte is that he
appears to be too reluctant to bring new players through instead of relying on players he has had faith in for years. There is lots of talent within the county and there has been multiple All Ireland Minor, Hogan Cup, Vocational Schools winning sides that have produced top class players.
That bunch of players owe Tyrone zilch, they have gave us all many great days and I am convinced there are a few more left in a lot of them yet too. Better team won, but we will re-group and look at what we can improve on for next year, no need for root and branch reviews just yet a la the Dubs.
Well done to Cork yesterday, deserved winners. Quite an entertaining game for all Bannons attempts to destroy it. As an Armagh man, I actually felt sorry for the likes of Brian Dooher ^ stephen O Neill yesterday. O Neill will be back (Pure class) but i beliueve the injuries have caught up with Brian, who i believe to be the player of this decade.... Tyrone gave it a good lash this year, back to backs are hard to achieve, there just was nothing left in the tank
Special mentions for our minors... brilliant win... roll on the final
Cork are a good team but they're not super, however they were the perfect team to exploit the failings of tyrone at this stage. the energy and pace they have around the middle was too much for the tyrone players - particularly McMahon, dooher, Jordan, harte and McMenamin - to cope with.
This is a defeat that has been coming all year for tyrone. the wear and tear has been showing on ricey, gormley and jordan in particular and harte is bound to have seen it. he remained too loyal too long. kildare game illustrated the point and cork hammered it home.
Tyrone need major surgery for next year but the options are bound to be there with coney et al coming through.
one ironic point - those tyrone men feeling a bit of ire towards bannon this morning, that's exactly how we felt with him after fermangh 2004 and - whisper it quietly - with russell in 2005.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on August 24, 2009, 10:55:39 AM
Well done to Cork yesterday, deserved winners. Quite an entertaining game for all Bannons attempts to destroy it. As an Armagh man, I actually felt sorry for the likes of Brian Dooher ^ stephen O Neill yesterday. O Neill will be back (Pure class) but i beliueve the injuries have caught up with Brian, who i believe to be the player of this decade.... Tyrone gave it a good lash this year, back to backs are hard to achieve, there just was nothing left in the tank
Special mentions for our minors... brilliant win... roll on the final
felt sorry for Kerry with all the other counties supporting Armagh yesterday !
Firstly congrats to Cork on what was a sound performance. Easily deserved the win and won most of the one on one battles all around the pitch.
I have to say I was worried when I heard SC wasn't starting. I think if it had been an injury from maybe a week ago then It wouldn't have made as big an impact as the team would have been focused on playing without him but for it to happen so near to the game prob threw Tyrone's gameplan up in the air not to mention the demoralising effect it would have on the players aswell.
But to be honest it was easy to see in the first 15 mins that our half back line was getting a bad roasting. I felt both Harte and Jordan were giving the HF's far to much space. I had always had worries about Harte's defending abilities as had been highlighted here many times before, but to be honest I'm not sure we had anyone else who could have made a better job of things. And I feel this is a line that will need alot of work on for the future. But in saying that Cork's HF's are as quick and mobile as any in the country.
The gamble on McGinley just didn't work either. It was obvious that he just didn't look match fit, which was a hugh blow to Tyrone especially with SC out.
And the half forwards were poor aswell. Not surprised all three got replaced. I have alot of time for McMahon and believe he'll be about for Tyrone for a long time but he wasn't at the races yesterday, much the same as Dooher. And if that is Dooher's last game it'll be a pity to see such a great Tyrone servant bow out on such a poor note.
The FF line was prob Tyrone's best. Mulligan looked lively and linked up so much play. Stevie put in another steady performance and Penrose got through his usual workload.
So I just think it was a case of too many Tyrone players having of days and the fact that they were up against a Team that were playing some brilliant football, including some fine long range points.
On the major talking points I felt O Connor's Sending of shouldn't have been one. I felt that yes it was a foul on Mugsy, but the fact that Dooher had picked up play the ref should have just let play continue and left it at that. But I honestly think he must have took a second look at it at half time and decided he was wrong and that he'd level things up a bit in the second half. I thought alot of 50 50 calls went against Tyrone. That said I honestly don't think it would have mattered as Cork were that much in the ascendancy anyway.
But I think anyone calling Mugsy a diver is being very harsh. definitely don't think it deserved a yellow, but there was no way mugsy could have stayed on his feet. And I think anyone claiming that is being unfair to Mugsy, and yes that included you Spillane.
On the Miskella incident I thought it was a definite Red card, don't know how it wasn't given. That said and done I'm glad that he'll be avaliable to play for the final as he's a great athlete.
On a final note I notice alot of people saying that this is the end of the road for this Tyrone team. I don't believe so. Looking at it the only retirements I could see would be Dooher and maybe Holmes. I know a fair few of them have alot of miles on the clock but if the spine of the team stays together and maybe a few of the younger ones like Cassidy, Mulgrew, maybe even Coney come in then I'd still hold out alot of hope for this Tyrone team. But it'll take them along time to get back to were they were yesterday morning.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on August 24, 2009, 10:55:39 AMBrian, who i believe to be the player of this decade
Ah jayses don't start that!
I had to laugh at Spillane yesterday. He couldn't wait to get stuck in about the Team of the Decade. He had all the facts memorised and bang. I don't generally like Brolly, but his response about 'is this the depths we must sink to?' was good.
We're all entitled to our differing opinions on this but .... in my view
Peaking is a myth parodied by sports scientists who are involved with a winning team in order to make them appear brighter than everyone else. When in fact having the most highly skilled players in a particular code in a particular season with the collective drive and desire to win has actually won them the competition.
I've listened to Dublin talking about peaking for generations now- even this year they didn't start training till april to "peak". Look where it got us. When you haven't the players -peaking is as big a myth as the Yeti in the Himalayas.
Tyrone never won an all-ireland due to peaking -neither did Kerry. Ha d David kelly scored the spot kick against kerry a few weeks back- what use was peaking to kerry then? Observers use a run through the qualifiers as some master-stroke to "peak" at the right time. When in fact they are just playing crap and its more the inepitude of the teams and plain dumb luck that keeps them in the competition.
Tyrone never played at the level they are capable of this season in any game because they were a tired outfit. They never peaked at all this season- as its called.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 11:10:28 AM
I had to laugh at Spillane yesterday. He couldn't wait to get stuck in about the Team of the Decade. He had all the facts memorised and bang. I don't generally like Brolly, but his response about 'is this the depths we must sink to?' was good.
Tasteless- I mean if you had 8 all-irelands as a player -would you be that bothered about the team of the decade. I do know a lot of Kerry people are very disappointed that tyrone lost because both teams are likely to be changed a lot in the next couple of years so the debate as they see it will never be put to bed.
Kerry people are very worried if they progress to a final against Cork because on the law of averages Cork are due to beat them in Croke Park. I actually think if Meath found some way to get through -Cork would find it very difficult to play meath mentally. Cork want Kerry in the final.
Quotethat's exactly how we felt with him after fermangh 2004
You mean when he didn't send off Stevie McDonnell??
QuoteQuite an entertaining game for all Bannons attempts to destroy it.
Now that's just silly.
What was actually wrong with Cavanagh?
Quote from: full back on August 24, 2009, 11:20:59 AM
What was actually wrong with Cavanagh?
Dunno but he was able to bust his guts for ten mins at the end.
Spillane was an absolute clown yesterday, I would safely say he is becoming an embarrassment for Kerry people, he was like a demented eegit at half time, shouting about mulligan diving etc... He has a srious chip on his shoulder regarding Ulster teams.... At least Brolly, O Rourke, Mc Stay etc have a bit of common sense
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 24, 2009, 11:16:40 AM
Quotethat's exactly how we felt with him after fermangh 2004
You mean when he didn't send off Stevie McDonnell??
Ronan Clarke could have been decapitated and we still wouldnt have got a free.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2009, 11:11:42 AM
We're all entitled to our differing opinions on this but .... in my view
Peaking is a myth parodied by sports scientists who are involved with a winning team in order to make them appear brighter than everyone else. When in fact having the most highly skilled players in a particular code in a particular season with the collective drive and desire to win has actually won them the competition.
I've listened to Dublin talking about peaking for generations now- even this year they didn't start training till april to "peak". Look where it got us. When you haven't the players -peaking is as big a myth as the Yeti in the Himalayas.
Tyrone never won an all-ireland due to peaking -neither did Kerry. Ha d David kelly scored the spot kick against kerry a few weeks back- what use was peaking to kerry then? Observers use a run through the qualifiers as some master-stroke to "peak" at the right time. When in fact they are just playing crap and its more the inepitude of the teams and plain dumb luck that keeps them in the competition.
Tyrone never played at the level they are capable of this season in any game because they were a tired outfit. They never peaked at all this season- as its called.
I half agree - There is peaking - it's just not as pronounced as people think - or as you say 'gurus' espouse.
I don't agree it's a myth.
You're right about Dublin though - they bs'ed about how they'd peak and all that nonsense but they were badly caught out, where as Kerry are coming right.
I know the point you're making about the Mayo game - but that scenario has nothing to do with peaking - two teams on the similar level etc in a game is not decided by peaking.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2009, 11:11:42 AM
We're all entitled to our differing opinions on this but .... in my view
Peaking is a myth parodied by sports scientists who are involved with a winning team in order to make them appear brighter than everyone else. When in fact having the most highly skilled players in a particular code in a particular season with the collective drive and desire to win has actually won them the competition.
I've listened to Dublin talking about peaking for generations now- even this year they didn't start training till april to "peak". Look where it got us. When you haven't the players -peaking is as big a myth as the Yeti in the Himalayas.
Tyrone never won an all-ireland due to peaking -neither did Kerry. Ha d David kelly scored the spot kick against kerry a few weeks back- what use was peaking to kerry then? Observers use a run through the qualifiers as some master-stroke to "peak" at the right time. When in fact they are just playing crap and its more the inepitude of the teams and plain dumb luck that keeps them in the competition.
Tyrone never played at the level they are capable of this season in any game because they were a tired outfit. They never peaked at all this season- as its called.
would agree with that,
momentum is a something that can be a key to a team s success rather that so called peaking
Difficult defeat to take yesterday on a day when everything went for cork.
I felt right from the start we lost the personal battles all over the field...In particular our HB line was pulled all over the place, harte looked well off the pace, and has to be targeted by apposing teams as a weak link. This was shown yesterday and to an extent John Doyle exposed it in the kildare game.
Felt bannon had a terrible game, Tyrone didnt get the frees that they normaly get, as seen when gormley persisted to run into the tackle looking a free when had he have kept going he would have been in the clear....
The loss of sean was massive, i feel had he off started canty wouldnt of had the same influence on the game.....
Anyway its over now and we must look to the future...And in paticular filling the void left by the great dooher. I feel harte must look at the option of playing more out and out forwards as a posed to the likes of Joe Mc Mahon who is IMO a better defender.. Cassidy looked good for the short time he was on the field as did sean o neil from dromore....
3 All Irelands in the Bag....Cant Complain about that....
Dunno how Collie Holmes got on yday.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 24, 2009, 11:48:36 AM
Can anyone post the players ratings from the Irish news?
CORK RATINGS
Alan Quirke: Varied his kick-outs well, untested, not a save to make. Helped out as the woodwork denied Cavanagh's late strike. 6
Ray Carey: Given occasional problems tracking the pace of Penrose. Steady, composed game and cleared his lines effectively. 6
Michael Shields: A few worrying moments early on in keeping tabs on Mulligan. Safety around 'the house' aided by Tyrone's failure to get much supply into the inside forwards. 6
Anthony Lynch: O'Neill caused a couple of missed heartbeats in the first half but, as with Shields, not overly tested due to Tyrone's stifled service to the full-forwards. 7
John Miskella (below, with Martin Penrose): Delivered a superb display. Pace going forward was a constant source of concern and linked defence and attack tirelessly. Outstanding bar one blot, a punch on Brian McGuigan could have merited a red card. 8.5
Graham Canty: Star Man
A colossus. His surging runs out of defence tore Tyrone's back-line cover apart. Hand in Cork's goal. Played on the edge at times but this game demanded Cork to step up to the plate and in Canty they had an inspirational leader on the field. 9
Noel O'Leary: Tough as nails, put in good day's work, got forward now and then while defensively his ability to pressure and give few yards away was impressive. 7.5
Alan O'Connor: In a game of such magnitude, to be sent off for what looked no more than a ticking incident when momentum carried him into an opponent was ridiculous. Before then, had produced a powerful display as Cork dominated midfield. 6.5
Nicholas Murphy: Appears to be back approaching his best. Murphy covers acres of ground, fielded well early on before his game was limited to link play as Tyrone switched to short kick-out mode. 7
Paul Kerrigan: He showed again that he has the pace to trouble the best of them. Kept Tyrone's defence very busy, scored a good point. Finishing not as good as against Donegal. 6.5
Pearse O'Neill: Although he did not register on the scoreboard, covered a lot of ground, working back in defence as Cork continually put plenty of bodies behind the ball. 6.5
Patrick Kelly: Full of running, quick and used possession effectively, though it was his defensive work that contributed so much to Cork's overall game plan. 6.5
Daniel Goulding: Took his goal superbly. A constant threat, gave Justin McMahon a testing time and showed improvement generally from the Donegal game. 7
Colm O'Neill: After making his debut against Donegal, this year's U21 captain again impressed. Kicked three excellent points and gave PJ Quinn plenty to think about. 8
Donncha O'Connor: Knocked over three frees and added another point from play. His pace was a source of problems for Gormley. 7
Substitutes:
Fintan Goold: A quality replacement for Goulding for the last quarter-hour. Again, very quick and took a good point. 6
John Hayes: Not on long enough to be rated
Michael Cussen: Not on long enough to be rated
Kieran O'Connor: Not on long enough to be rated
Eoin Cadogan: Not on long enough to be rated
TYRONE RATINGS
Pascal McConnell: Made a good stop from Daniel Goulding and was good under the high ball. Had little chance for the goal. 6.5
PJ Quinn: Was unlucky when he made an excellent block from Colm O'Neill, only for Goulding to finish to the net. Made a number of good blocks and interceptions. One of Tyrone's better defenders. 6
Conor Gormley: The normally reliable Carrickmore man didn't have his best day for Tyrone, perhaps due to an injury picked up early on. Got caught in possession for a Goulding point in the first half and was dispossessed a number of times in the second. 4.5
Ryan McMenamin: A surprise choice to mark the towering Pearse O'Neill, but coped well in the first half and grabbed Tyrone's first point with a marauding run. Ironically, wasn't as effective when played as the extra man in the second half. 6
Davy Harte: Let Kerrigan away for an early point, but recovered well and kept his man scoreless after that. Set up a couple of points with long balls out of defence and grabbed one himself in injury time. 5.5
Justin McMahon: Lost Goulding for the goal and gave up a couple of scoreable frees. 5
Philip Jordan: Had his attacking intent curtailed by the industrious Kelly. Made a couple of good runs second half and scored a point. 5
Kevin Hughes: Stood up to some robust treatment in a bruising midfield encounter with Murphy, but came out second best over the 70 minutes. 5
Enda McGinley: Had his plate full on his return from injury. Had Alan O'Connor to deal with before the Cork man's sending off in the 29th minute and then Pearse O'Neill in the second. Struggled to impose himself. 5
Brian Dooher: Excellent work-rate as ever, foraging for breaking ball which set up many Tyrone attacks. The Red Hands captain was replaced in the 54th minute. Could this be his last appearance in a Tyrone shirt? 6
Tommy McGuigan: Brought in as a late replacement for Cavanagh. Worked hard but got little change out of the excellent Noel O'Leary. Made way for brother Brian at half-time. 5
Joe McMahon: Had a game to forget on
man-of-the-match Canty. The Cork skipper was the instigator of all that was good about the Munster champions' performance and left the Omagh man trailing in his wake. 4
Martin Penrose: Scored a fine point, but otherwise found little room to create many more opportunities in the face of a resolute Cork defence. 5.5
Stephen O'Neill: Kicked some sublime scores, but was starved of good service and frequently found himself swarmed by Cork's full-back line. 6
Owen Mulligan: Two fouls on him led to pointed frees, another to Alan O'Connor's second yellow card. Proved troublesome enough for the Cork defence. 6
Substitutes:
Brian McGuigan: Came on at half-time, but struggled to find any more room than his brother Tommy did in the first period. 5
Sean Cavanagh: A stomach upset ruled him out of the starting line-up. Was industrious and purposeful when introduced on 47 minutes and carved out Tyrone's only real goal chance in injury-time. 5.5
Sean O'Neill: Injected a bit of urgency into Tyrone when introduced on 54 minutes. 5
Tactical Take...
Cork
Conor Counihan opted to switch corner-back Anthony Lynch to the edge of the square to man-mark Stephen O'Neill with Michael Shields deployed at right back to mark Mulligan. Kerrigan and Kelly switched wings to take on Harte and Jordan and all the changes paid off.
Cork were helped by the lack of pace and ability to track back of the Tyrone half-forwards and this allowed Canty and Miskella to surge out of defence time and again to have a hand in scoring moves. Canty's running game was particularly effective.
When a man down, Cork approached the second half with a commanding lead and funnelled midfield and half-forwards back, often inside their own 45, to pack the defence.
They adopted more of a counter-attacking approach and, so good was the pressure they applied, they turned over the ball several times and gave Tyrone little space to build.
Tyrone
PLAN A went out the window once Mickey Harte learned that Sean Cavanagh couldn't start. The Footballer of the Year's physical presence was supposed to limit the influence of Cork's half-back line's attacking prowess.
His replacement, Tommy McGuigan, worked hard but, with Graham Canty giving Joe McMahon a hard time of it, Tyrone found it hard to plug the gaps.
Once the Cork running game clicked early in the first half, Tyrone were chasing shadows.
The sending off of Alan O'Connor may have provided some respite. Tyrone opted to leave the extra man (Ryan McMenamin) in defence for a large part of the second half, perhaps hoping to hit Cork on the break while trying to restrict he movement of their dangerous inside forward line.
However, that seemed to limit that Red Hands attacking abilities when it became apparent that they needed to create goal chances.
oduced on 54 minutes. 5
Ref Watch...
John Bannon (Longford)
Very harsh call to show Alan O'Connor a red card. Questionable decision, as was the yellow card for Miskella who appeared to strike Brian McGuigan. This incident led to a bit of rumpus. Inconsistent with
over-carrying, several debatable decisions for frees given and incidents where frees were not awarded. Poor overall.
Key Battle...
Graham Canty (Cork) v Joe McMahon (Tyrone)
THE Cork skipper could be homing in on the ultimate honour his illustrious career so richly deserved. His determination to become the first Cork man to lift the Sam Maguire since 1990 was evident in his performance yesterday. McMahon has proved more than up to the task when asked to provide some physicality and industry to the Tyrone half-forward line, but yesterday he was way off the mark.
The tactic that had knocked the stuffing out of Donegal in the quarter-final worked a treat again as the Canty was able to stretch the Tyrone defence from deep with either pin-point passing or bursting runs. That helped the Rebels build up the comfortable lead that Tyrone never looked like threatening.
Top Score...
It may have been scrappy in it's eventual execution, but Daniel Goulding's seventh-minute goal owed much to the excellent build-up play. Graham Canty ran on to a perfectly times hand-pass from Donnacha O'Connor before finding Colm O'Neill with an equally measured pass. O'Neill saw his shot well blocked by PJ Quinn, but Goulding was alert enough to smash home the rebound.
Did Aidan Cassidy not get a rating. Can understand why Collie Holmes has been left out of the ratings but thought Aidan was very good when out round MF. Maybe should have been on eariler ???
Other Irish News articles ...
Double dream shattered All-Ireland Senior Football Championship semi-final: Cork 1-13 Tyrone 0-11
By Kenny Archer in Croke Park
24/08/09
AS one journey ends, another begins – and another continues. The Rebels march on into the All-Ireland final, having finished off the Red Hands' hopes of holding on to 'Sam' for the first time ever. For now, anyway.
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte was philosophical about the new experience of a campaign coming to the end of the road at Croke Park at the All-Ireland semi-final stage.
"It's very difficult to retain the title, as we all know. It hasn't happened that many times in the last 25-30 years. It's something that we've never achieved before and the only way you can achieve it is by being the champions.
"It's not easy being the champions, so this knocks us back to square one. Therefore if we want to achieve that, then we've a long, long road to go. When you're at the top of a hill and get knocked down, it's difficult to take."
However, Harte put the disappointment of defeat in perspective, saying: "We in Tyrone know that life has given us worse knocks than losing semi-finals. We've dealt with that, so we'll deal with this too.
"We'll be hurt, we'll be annoyed, we'll have many regrets – but they're only sporting regrets. Ultimately, in the real scheme of things, it won't be that crucial."
Besides, Harte was honest enough to admit that Tyrone did not just lose this match – Cork won it, and won it well. "Some days you meet teams that are better than you – and we certainly did that today.
"For me, the crucial score was the goal. Even though Cork were hungry for the game and looking sharp, if we hadn't conceded the goal I think there was still every chance that we could have kept in touch.
"That made it difficult for us. They had that cushion, continued to play good football, and coped well with losing a man."
The game's only goal came as early as the seventh minute, Daniel Goulding lashing the loose ball high to the net after PJ Quinn had blocked down Colm O'Neill's shot. That put Cork into a lead they were never to lose, despite the frankly wrong decision to dismiss midfielder Alan O'Connor around the half hour for an unmerited second yellow card.
Tyrone reduced their deficit to five points by the break but, despite their numerical advantage, could only draw the second half.
Yet Harte preferred to praise the opposition rather than blame his team: "I can't fault our players for their effort. They played everything they knew, but Cork had the game well sewn up at that stage.
"They were comfortable letting us have the ball deep up the field and knowing they could make life difficult for us.
"The opposition today were superior – and we have to accept that."
Tyrone also had to deal with the absence of reigning Footballer of the Year Sean Cavanagh from their starting line-up due to a stomach bug, but refused to use that as an excuse.
"Sean told us that he wasn't feeling good. It was very disappointing, of course. In a game like this, with the whole emphasis on the physique and size of Cork, we lose one of our biggest men and biggest players – that's a big setback. But we had to live with that.
"We can't point to any single thing and say 'that's what beat us today'. Just the collective effort of Cork beat us, their quality and their desire. We haven't met that in a long time. We met it today and everything we had wasn't good enough to turn it over."
The end of a chapter, then, but Tyrone's story will go on.
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Red Hands can't keep pace with superb Cork All-Ireland Senior Football Championship semi-final: Cork 1-13 Tyrone 0-11
From Eamonn O'Hara at Croke Park
24/08/09
AS with all good things, Tyrone's run as
All-Ireland champions came to an end yesterday as the dream of the double was emphatically crushed.
Pace and power and spells of brilliant football brought Cork to within touching distance of the county's first title success for 19 years.
The Rebels had it all.
Awesome athleticism, Cork proved beyond doubt that they had it to burn. Tyrone did not have the mobility or the strengths in their game to cope.
There was no answer they were able to summon or sustain as more than 52,000 spectators watched arguably the closing chapter to an era scripted in bright, bold red letters.
It is possible many of the outstanding players who gave so much, who thrilled in this theatre of sporting excellence to capture three All-Irelands this decade, will not grace this stage again.
Tyrone's team game just did not have the legs to compete with Cork's physical might, the speed they moved the ball with, and a running game out of half-back led superbly by centre-half and captain, Graham Canty.
The massive performances required, the intensity, the alert and agile defensive stamina required from Tyrone's half-forward line, the quality needed, did not materialise.
Canty and his attack-minded collaborators in the Rebels half-back line, his man-of-the-match rival John Miskella and Noel O'Leary, ran last year's kingpins ragged.
That Cork managed to forge a comprehensive victory despite losing midfielder Alan O'Connor to a suspect red card after 29 minutes and scoring only four points in the second half illustrated how dominant they were.
They had finishing class and the ability to repeatedly stretch Tyrone at the back with forwards Colm and Pearse O'Neill, Daniel Goulding, Donncha O'Connor, Paul Kerrigan and Paddy Kelly.
They also missed a litany of chances, kicked some bad wides, but as extra defenders, as many of them were, especially second half, they contributed impressively to Cork's tremendous work to stifle the champions attack.
Tyrone ran into a brick wall, one with few chinks of light in it.
They were consistently, robustly, closed down, found space strictly policed, often facing a defensive set-up that had 10 to 12 players stationed behind the ball.
The Ulster champions rarely found a way through the red sea of tackling, pressuring bodies.
They were not helped, second half especially, by numerous debatable decisions not to award them frees, a potential sending off incident that was dealt with leniently, yet whatever gripes Tyrone might have, none concerned the result.
Their general performance was flat. They appeared exhausted. The loss of Sean Cavanagh from the starting line-up – he was suffering from a stomach – ailment was a significant setback.
Canty had the run of the place as a result, though his direct marker, Joe McMahon, did not perform anywhere near his best. Canty exploited the freedom.
He popped up unmarked to set Cork in for Daniel Goulding's goal after seven minutes. Miskella had too much pace for Dooher and O'Leary kept Cavanagh's replacement, Tommy McGuigan, quiet.
Cork won a huge percentage of possession in the middle third and, from an early point, Tyrone's defence of their title looked in serious trouble.
As the game unfolded, more and more unforced errors crept into Tyrone's link play, with passes going astray, possession turned over, inside their own 45 as well as inside Cork's. Even the benefit of an extra man after referee John Bannon harshly dismissed O'Connor made little difference.
Cork funnelled midfield and almost all their forwards back to defend and break on the counter. As Tyrone were so good at in past years, their work-rate was fantastic.
They smothered and spoiled, tackled ferociously, disrupted supply routes towards Stephen O'Neill and Owen Mulligan, though Tyrone's poor approach play aided this also.
Between Cork's physical intensity, the terrific mobility and speed of their game and Tyrone's poor use of possession, only two Tyrone forwards managed a score from play from the 26th minute.
Cork's array of forwards contributed 1-8 from play, Tyrone's four points with their out-gunned half-forwards no scores at all. But for some poor free-taking and a rash of chances that should have counted, Cork would have finished eight or nine clear.
No-one could have argued that they were value for it if they had, but five points on the day was an emphatic enough statement that these Rebels will be hard to stop on September's deciding Sunday.
A massively disappointing end to Tyrone's double bid, possibly to the All-Ireland campaigning careers of a few of their famous number, but Cork so deserved it.
MATCH STATS
Cork: A Quirke; R Carey, M Shields, A Lynch; J Miskella, G Canty (capt.), N O'Leary; A O'Connor (0-1), N Murphy; P Kerrigan (0-1), P O'Neill, P Kelly (0-1); D Goulding (1-1), C O'Neill (0-3), D O'Connor (0-4, 0-3 frees).
Subs: F Goold (0-1) for Goulding (58), J Hayes for Kerrigan (60), M Cussen for D O'Connor (66), K O'Connor for O'Leary (69), E Cadogan for Miskella (70).
Tyrone: P McConnell; PJ Quinn, C Gormley, R McMenamin (0-1); D Harte (0-1), Justin McMahon, P Jordan (0-1); K Hughes (0-1), E McGinley; B Dooher (capt.), S Cavanagh, Joe McMahon; M Penrose (0-1), S O'Neill (0-4, 0-1 free), O Mulligan (0-2 frees)
Subs: B McGuigan for T McGuigan (h-t),
S Cavanagh for McGinley (46), A Cassidy for Dooher (54), Shaun O'Neill for Gormley (54), C McCullagh for Joe McMahon (63).
Referee: J Bannon (Longford)
Attendance: 52,492.
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Take it as Red that Cork have the power All-Ireland Senior Football Championship semi-final: Cork 1-13 Tyrone 0-11
From Kenny Archer at Croke Park
24/08/09
Red was the dominant colour yesterday, the red of the Rebel county Cork, who ensured that it wasn't to be the Red Hands' day.
In the pre-match predictions and punditry it seemed that you couldn't slip a piece of paper between these two sides. Yet, as it turned out, even an extremely powerful piece of red card couldn't stop Cork.
Conor Counihan's charges deservedly dethroned the All-Ireland champions, winning well by five points, despite the dubious dismissal of midfielder Alan O'Connor around the half-hour mark.
One man made a major difference to this match and it wasn't one of the players, even though Cork had a number of star turns.
Referee John Bannon made a series of strange calls but, in the end, all his wrongs did not prevent the right result emerging.
When Cork looked like they were going to kill this as a contest, the Longford official chose to send off O'Connor for a second yellow card, when most people in the ground didn't even see a foul.
Then, throughout the second half, the man in the middle was as generous to Tyrone as a miser with toothache. Frees barely came to the Red Hands at any price and Cork wing-back John Miskella somehow stayed on after striking Brian McGuigan midway through the second half, an incident that sparked a series of scuffles.
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte, who acknowledged that Cork fully merited their victory, chose his words carefully after being asked to assess Bannon's performance:
"You know we don't talk about referees here. All I'll say is that one thing I like to see in refereeing is consistent application and I'd like to see that consistency between referees as well. I don't feel I saw that today.
"I think that some of our play was penalised when many other days it wouldn't be. People can make their own judgments on that."
No-one sensible would question Cork's worth as winners. Part of the problem for the Red Hands was that they were unable to get any change out of Cork, struggling to find any holes in the wall that the Rebels' rearguard put up against them.
Cork almost completely bottled Tyrone up, stemming any flowing football from the Ulster champions.
The Munster men were giants in defence. Just as the predicted rainfall never materialised, so Tyrone's supply of scores dried up. The weather was holding, and the Rebels were holding the Red Hands.
Not comfortably, because this was a bruising battle, but Cork were always in control.
Five points clear at half-time, but a man down, the Rebels might have worried about their ability to hold onto the lead.
Firstly, in the minor match the Ulster champions (Armagh) had overturned an interval deficit to convincingly beat the Munster champions (Kerry).
Then, in the Inter-provincial Super Sprint Relay, organised jointly by the GAA and Athletics Ireland, the Munster squad needed a late surge to pip their Ulster counterparts at the winning line.
Yet, as it turned out, Tyrone never even came close to Cork. Only once, with the first score of the second half, did they narrow the gap to four points, but the Rebels had them at arm's length after that.
Mickey Harte brought up his ton in charge of the Tyrone senior side but his team ran out of steam. The smoke of a fire burning near Croke Park filled the corner of a ground for a spell during the second half but, when that cleared, the Red Hands' dreams of retaining Sam Maguire were in ashes.
Reigning Footballer of the Year Sean Cavanagh came on for the final third, after being unable to start due to illness, but played mostly in his own defensive third apart from a late forward foray when his shot struck a post, but Tyrone needed two goals, not just one. His crown could now pass on to a Corkman.
For Cork as a collective, this was another step forward on their mission to win their first football All-Ireland in 20 years.
After a decade that has seen many 'Tyrone power' headlines, Cork's power could write them into the history books.
The Rebels have mostly been beating teams well this season, in League and Championship. Winners of the Division Two title, their task now is to prove themselves number one in the country.
They sent out another serious statement of intent by beating the holders of that title, Tyrone, but the final step could be the toughest.
Arch-rivals Kerry, or old rivals Meath – their fiercest challengers in Counihan's playing days of the late '80s and early '90s – will join them in the All-Ireland final on September 20, after next Sunday's second semi-final.
The Rebels showed once again their ability to win All-Ireland semi-finals without Kerry as the opposition. But, if they come up against the Kingdom again, don't take victory for the green and gold as read.
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Spillane twists Kerry knife in the Red Hands Pundit Focus
By Niall McCoy
24/08/09
THE death knell was sounded on the current Tyrone team following yesterday's comprehensive All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Cork, while one happy Kerry chappy got something off his chest which looked like it had been eating away at him a long time.
Pat Spillane, the GAA's Mr Marmite, would certainly have left a sour taste with the Red Hand folk as he stuck the knife in after the final whistle.
"Can I just conclude by saying at least this puts to bed one argument? Might I suggest Joe (Brolly), that the team of the decade has four All-Irelands and two National Leagues?
"The second best team of the decade? Tyrone. Don't give me any more crap about team of the decade –Tyrone.
"They are great All-Ireland champions, a very, very good team, but great teams put All-Irelands back-to-back, great teams put All-Ireland semi-finals back-to-back."
"Is this the level you must descend too?" replied Joe, before paying credit to the Rebels.
"It was as comprehensive a defeat as you could imagine," he said. "Tyrone will never be annihilated, but that is as close to it as you will get.
"They found Tyrone out in all the wee areas of weakness, Brian Dooher no longer has the legs, Conor Gormley no longer has the legs."
"They (Cork) were absolutely magnificent," said Colm O'Rourke. "Their sheer athleticism took its toll on Tyrone.
"It is probably the end of Tyrone, today they met the sort of hungry fighter. We probably won't see the likes of Brian Dooher and Brian McGuigan playing in Croke Park again."
Debate had been fierce at the interval too with the sending off of Cork's Alan O'Connor raising passions. Incidentally, questionable incidents involving Graham Canty and John Miskella received much less attention.
It was not surprising to hear Spillane leading the charge, with John Bannon and Owen Mulligan facing a barrage.
The Kerry man said the half-time boos for the controversial whistler were "deserved."
"If I was outside I would throw in my couple of boos as well," he said.
"The second one (yellow card), there was no physical contact, that was a feckin' glorified dive by Mulligan which would get 10 out of 10 in the Olympic diving competition, he codded the referee."
Brolly, who went against O'Rourke and Spillane by saying there was physical contact between Mulligan and O'Connor, was also scathing of the Longford official.
"John has a problem with judgement and he always has had, and it's why people groan when they hear he is assigned to a game."
Dodgy decisions or not, apparently Tyrone are finished, Dooher and co are over the hill and, according to Spillane, the Red Hands have no great individual footballers. It will be interesting to see if Mickey Harte can gag the trio next year.
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Terrible disappointment, but enjoyed the craic with some decent cork men before during and after the game - full of craic, I wish them well and dont know much about this Meath team who I wouldnt rule out at all., but can understand why Kerry cant live with this Cork team this year. Pats' so called team of the decade have neither the pace, hunger or physicality to compete at the level we were at yesterday. Pat from the sounds of it, made a tr**p out of himself on national TV yesterday, I will say no more on Pat, he is what he is. I cant believe the vitriol spouted on here by some posters, its very sad, to see such hatred in the GAA.
We are looking into the abyss with referees in Gaelic Football. We are sending out men to all ireland semi finals, ill equipped in every way with poor knowledge of the rules and an inability to marshall a game, punishing players for nothing, preventing Tyrone from having the chances to come back into the game, he undoubtedly done athe job on Tyrone yesterday, missing the big fouls - the most cynical I see yesterday was the breaking of Conor Gormleys ribs with the pointed elbow., Striking from behind is kinda yella also. Pat Daly tried to change the rules, thats like blowing away the smoke but the fires still burning.
All this however takes away from the finest team Tyrone have played since that fantastic Armagh side in 2002, Cork were simply magnificent, and may well have heralded in their own era. Their power size pace and tackling were awesome, they deserved to win by a few more. I think they will win Sam this year and maybe more.
As for Tyrone, Brian Dooher undoubtedly the player of the decade, he must have been carrying an injury in - he didnt look comfortable running or jogging, yet was left on too long. I had heard about the intensity of their training coming into the game, to me it looked like Tyrone had been overtrained, off the boil and were not fresh. Management has made serious mistakes this season - simply didnt give enough game time to at least 2 of the subs brought on yesterday, we didnt let Sean O Neill into the half back line when he was the form player, we was wrong to persist all season with a clearly struggling Tommy Mc Guigan and we hadnt sorted out his freetakers. I think we believed the lazy press analysis that all Tyrone players can play anywhere, Justin Mc Mahon played much of the first half in corner back, Ryan Mc Menamin marked a player twice his size etc. The loss of Cavanagh was sheer bad luck, I think he has been the difference between winning and losing in the big games over the years and his absence was fatal from the start.
As for the future, I hope Harte sticks at it for at least another year, yes he makes mistakes but his sensational successes outweigh them na d is still one of the best managers ever, I would love to think all our senior players would do the same, what amazing servants they have been to Tyrone football, but I have a feeling we will see a number of players retiring, anything above and possibly including a couple of panellists from the 97/98 era might decide they have shouldered the wheel enough. I think our entire half back and half forward line needs rebuilt, we need a new midfield so we have difficulites. I think Tyrone can win more all irelands but we need the pace and enthusiasm of youth come august and we need to let that youth make mistakes and come through and augment the experienced lads. Today we are down but from Tomorrow I cant wait for the mc kenna cup. Congrats Cork and that fantastic Armagh minor team.
Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2009, 10:20:45 AM
Tyrone never peaked because they never had a decent challenge this year apart from Kildare until the Cork game where they were caught
That would not have helped them at all.
Or maybe - Tyrone's peak just wasn't good enough this year?
Quote from: na cleirigh on August 24, 2009, 11:57:38 AM
Did Aidan Cassidy not get a rating. Can understand why Collie Holmes has been left out of the ratings but thought Aidan was very good when out round MF. Maybe should have been on eariler ???
Aidan Cassidy: Came on for Dooher, but couldn't match his work-rate or influence.
4.5I thought he was quite good as well.
That's twice now I've seen the line "Player of the Decade".
Let it go.
Irish News must have seen a different game.
Interesting to read the Irish news ratings of the Cork players, a different perspective to what I've been reading elsewhere but I'd say slightly more objective too in some parts.
A few things I wouldn't agree with though, stated that Pearse O'Neill didn't register on the scoreboard when he did, and if Paddy Kelly was only rating 6.5 I'd love to see what kind of performance merits a 8 or 9 rating, he was outstanding for us yesterday.
Will watch the game again over the next few days. Cork can still improve in areas. We were clearly playing on the edge yesterday, but I think we had to do that once we were harshlydown to 14 men. Continuing to play the way were were for the first 25 minutes would have been suicidal against a side of Tyrones quality. We had a lead and we had to defend it. We'd lost too many semi finals in the recent past, letting another one slip wasn't an option.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 24, 2009, 12:45:25 PM
That's twice now I've seen the line "Player of the Decade".
Let it go.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 24, 2009, 12:45:25 PM
That's twice now I've seen the line "Player of the Decade".
Let it go.
Quote from: na cleirigh on August 24, 2009, 12:49:51 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 24, 2009, 12:45:25 PM
That's twice now I've seen the line "Player of the Decade".
Let it go.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 24, 2009, 12:45:25 PM
That's twice now I've seen the line "Player of the Decade".
Let it go.
:D steal a fellow's joke will you?
Quote from: Ogie84 on August 24, 2009, 12:49:39 PM
Interesting to read the Irish news ratings of the Cork players, a different perspective to what I've been reading elsewhere but I'd say slightly more objective too in some parts.
A few things I wouldn't agree with though, stated that Pearse O'Neill didn't register on the scoreboard when he did, and if Paddy Kelly was only rating 6.5 I'd love to see what kind of performance merits a 8 or 9 rating, he was outstanding for us yesterday.
Will watch the game again over the next few days. Cork can still improve in areas. We were clearly playing on the edge yesterday, but I think we had to do that once we were harshlydown to 14 men. Continuing to play the way were were for the first 25 minutes would have been suicidal against a side of Tyrones quality. We had a lead and we had to defend it. We'd lost too many semi finals in the recent past, letting another one slip wasn't an option.
Paddy Kelly was my man of the match yesterday. Terrific player- never realised he was that good. should be 9/10 in those ratings. Some of the tyrone ratings are beyond hilarious. Tyrone averaged 4.5 to 5 yesterday in my view. With maybe penrose and mulligan a 6 and o neill 7.
SLK I'll get my coat :D
IN probably trying not to kick a team when they are down
Would question the ratings of Quinn, Harte, Tommy Mc & Dooher
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2009, 12:36:06 PM
As for the future, I hope Harte sticks at it for at least another year, yes he makes mistakes but his sensational successes outweigh them na d is still one of the best managers ever
Mickey will definitely be there, he was reappointed last year or the year before for another 3 year term and I also heard him on RTE radio 1 yesterday evening alluding to next year.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 24, 2009, 12:58:12 PM
Irish news ratings are completely off the mark if you ask me with the majority of players. Pearse Oneill clearly fisted a point in the first half, could have actually went for goal but the Irish news doesnt seem to think so :D
What f**king game was the person who was doing the match rating watching??? Useless as tits on a bull.
fully agree.
But those media types dont have a fecking clue.
When you have commentators and co commentators who dont know the rules, then you have fellas writing about the game who also dont know the rules or are bizzare in their comments/observations and most of all their ratings- you realise that the normal public know more than some of these so called professional pundits.
they drive me up the wall.
QuoteWould agree with Lynchbhoy, I believe in peaking.
Peaking is a myth, especially in team sports.
Quote from: mick999 on August 24, 2009, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 24, 2009, 11:48:36 AM
Can anyone post the players ratings from the Irish news?
PJ Quinn: Was unlucky when he made an excellent block from Colm O'Neill, only for Goulding to finish to the net. Made a number of good blocks and interceptions. One of Tyrone's better defenders. 6
what game was he watching?
no harm intended but after this season i'm not sure if p.j. quinn is up to this level. however he is not the only one in the squad.
QuoteCork as one or two on here have been saying (zulu and myself at least) since he start of the season
No surprise there LB we're the only two who anything about football around here! :D
There is obviously some kind of 'peaking' in my mind.
But I think it would be a good idea to define it first in case we're talking about different things.
See ger houlihan putting the boot in via the belfast tele. Saying Tyrone merely a good team as only great ones retain sam.
No I don't think there is a peak fitness for a player, if you think about it how can you define it? I mean if you told me that a guy was at peak fitness what would that mean, he can't jump any higher or run any faster? How do you know he can't? Now tell me how a coach is supposed to get 30 men of different, heights, weights, physical abilities, attitudes and jobs/lifestyles to peak simultaneously while doing (more or less) the same training at some designated time in the future, that they may never reach (i.e. an AI final, when you could be knocked out at the QF stage)?
That's confusing too things though
Peak human performance is different from peaking for a game surely?
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2009, 01:39:53 PM
See ger houlihan putting the boot in via the belfast tele. Saying Tyrone merely a good team as only great ones retain sam.
Its hardly putting the boot in, all the so called pundits down through the years reckoned that for a team to be put into the 'Great Category' they had to retain Sam, thats why it is so hard to do
But by definition a peak is the highest point, so what is meant by peaking for a game? If you tell me that a team peaked too early what do you mean? Or if you were told, as a coach, to get the team to peak for August what would that mean?
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2009, 01:39:53 PM
See ger houlihan putting the boot in via the belfast tele. Saying Tyrone merely a good team as only great ones retain sam.
Don't be so sensitive, how is he putting the boot in?
Performance is never a stable event - it varies and fluctuates - in the winter for example you're slower than the summer etc etc it's always moving etc
Peaking is preparing the footballer or whoever to be able to product their best on that day
It's got nothing to do with human limits of performance in my mind? No?
You said this
QuotePeaking is preparing the footballer or whoever to be able to product their best on that day
and then this
QuoteIt's got nothing to do with human limits of performance
Is your 'best' not by definition the limit of your performance?
Cant understand how paddy kelly only got 6.5 in the rating? i thought it was a toss up between himself and canty for man of the match. shows im obviously not an expert.
Cork were superb, they did to tyrone what tyrone did to all other teams. They won the tactics battle hands down, i dont think i have ever saw davy harte and phillip jordan have such quiet games. Cork just had one of those days when everything went right, they deserved their win.
On the other hand i cant believe that some people are again starting to write tyrone off and talk about retirements etc. the only player i would expect to retire would be dooher, but seeing as its him im not sure if he would consider it.
Tyrone just didnt have a good day however it is important to appreciate what they were up against. Cork played extremely well, the best player in ireland was missing from their line up, their top defender took a bad knock early on and the ref was definitely harsh on them. perhaps had even one of these factors been in their favour the outcome might have been much different and we would still be talking about how great this tyrone team is.
bottom line is this tyrone team are an excellent outfit, they have brought gaelic football to a new level, a level that cork matched yesterday. they will be back. and fair play to micky harte, as gracious in defeat as he is in victory, a credit to his county and gaa in general.
How did Kerry get promoted to team of the decade without even playing?
I'd agree with yourself and Indiana about Paddy Kelly being MOTM.
Brilliant preformance by Cork, delighted I managed to get there in the end, delighted we're in the final now. A lot of hard work has been put in by these players and the backroom team that has gone unnoticed, but they're really shoving on this year. Yesterday the defence, the work rate and just pure passion was outstanding from Cork..something you'd expect to see from Tyrone, they revolutionized it a few years ago and were an allmighty sight.
Yesterday they ran out of steam it seems, but that's what happens when you're on the go for as long as they've been going. People are saying how it's the "end of an era" for them but I hope it's not, and I doubt it will be they've a nice group of underage lads out there and while a handful might retire from the current team I can't see anything other then a bit of freshing up needed. They've had their bit of controversy over the years, ya but they're an incredibly strong team that have had to unit in a way that no other team has and I've great respect for them for that. Like I said, team of the decade, hands down.
Tyrone though, I've nothing but respect for them, they're an excellent team, and their supporters were nothing but a pleasure and great craic. They'd nothing but good things to say to us yesterday.
A truley great team, with an oustanding manager, Mickey Harte is such a gent as well which is refreshing, and he was, as always gracious in defeat yesterday. But Tyrone, I can't speak highly enough of them, they are an outstanding team who have raised the standards of football over the years and have brought it to a new level. And talks of the end of the road for them and all that is a little bit exagerated These lads are not going anywhere. They'll be back.
It was a great preformance from Cork, hopefully, like some are saying, it wont be our AI final. Everything just seemed to go right for us, we had a wrong call that ended up in a really harsh red card, O'Connor didn't deserve to go by any stretch of the imagination, and then we were extremley fortunate that the ref didn't see the blatant red card incident either, if they did, 2 men down..while one spurred, loosing two men probably would have been devastating. They were also missing Sean Cavanagh from the start which was a massive loss.
Hopefully yesterday wasn't our day in the sun. But I don't think it will be, this year we seem to be the real deal and I can't wait for the final.
And a word on the top man, Conor Counihan, what a job he's done with these lads. Just exceptional.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
You said this
QuotePeaking is preparing the footballer or whoever to be able to product their best on that day
and then this
QuoteIt's got nothing to do with human limits of performance
Is your 'best' not by definition the limit of your performance?
I'm trying to understand and explain something - you're picking holes
I meant 'produce'
Peaking is preparing the footballer or whoever to be able to produce their best on that day
What's your problem with that?
Quote from: behind the wire on August 24, 2009, 02:16:21 PM
bottom line is this tyrone team are an excellent outfit, they have brought gaelic football to a new level, a level that cork matched yesterday. they will be back. and fair play to micky harte, as gracious in defeat as he is in victory, a credit to his county and gaa in general.
Agreed
superb performance by Cork. Amazed at the speed, fitness and skill level of such a group of big men.
Tyrone had no answers for them yesterday and were obviously not on form with notable mistakes from some key players who are normally very consistent.
Hard lines to Tyrone but fair play for getting as far as they did. It will take a great team and a great performance to beat the Cork team that played yesterday.
Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2009, 02:21:18 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
You said this
QuotePeaking is preparing the footballer or whoever to be able to product their best on that day
and then this
QuoteIt's got nothing to do with human limits of performance
Is your 'best' not by definition the limit of your performance?
I'm trying to understand and explain something - you're picking holes
I meant 'produce'
Peaking is preparing the footballer or whoever to be able to produce their best on that day
What's your problem with that?
I'm not picking holes JM and I wasn't highlighting a typo (apologise if that's how it came across) but I am trying to show that peaking is a myth and one of the ways I'm doing this is by asking people to define peaking. You can't achieve something unless you what it is and you, like everyone else, are unable to define what you mean by peaking. I mean how can a coach get 15 players and whatever subs are used to produce their best on a given day? I train teams to reach certain standards but sometimes they never reach it, i never set out to reach a 'peak' because I can't define it and I will never reach it.
I did define it.
A team consists of 15 players with a variety of attributes.
Your job as a coach is to make sure they can perform in the top 10% - 15% of their current potential.
So lets say someone has an 'endurance level' of 10 - your job as a coach is to have them in a position to perform at a 9 or 10 on that scale.
So one thing you'd never do is a long run the morning of a game for example.
To increase the '10' you have to overload which means they would be in periods where they are not near their 'peak' but they are improving it.
That is peaking to me.
Maybe it's terminology. You are attempting (Zulu) to but a very definitive, scientific, meaning to peaking. Maybe peaking is the wrong word, maybe it's momentum, improvement etc. All I know is that Kerry playing Limerick in the first round of the championship is not the same level of fitness, aggression, or sharpness (in thought or deed) as will be the case if they played Dublin in August, for example.
Peaking implies that you cannot go any further, as you say, so peaking is a slight misnomer.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 24, 2009, 10:54:16 AM
QuoteTyrone are still going to be a good team, but It's hard to see them winning another AI soon. Their leaders were all taken off yesterday, Dooher, McGinley, Gormley and we've probably seen the best of them. I think probably the only possible retirements will be Dooher and McGinley but even at that I think that it will be impossible to replace them in the short term. Ulster will be wide open next year....but Cork could well be the new dynasty in footballing terms.
Cork were brilliant yesterday, Tyrone were terrible. Beat by 5 points was it? Hardly a mauling. I can't understand how people come out and fire names off randomly regarding retirements etc. Sure Colm Cooper should have retired before the Dublin game too should he have not? I think Dooher will call it quits and Collie Holmes, but the majority of the rest will stay. Enda McGinley is a brilliant athlete and footballer, and has only came back from a bad injury and as a result doesn't have his best game - hardly a call for retirement expecially considering his age and previous. Tyrone would have been a different animal yesterday if McGinley and Sean Cavanagh had been 100%, but they weren;t and Tyrone were beaten by the better team on the day. I don't see how Cork will start a footballing dynasty either, their key players are getting on a bit and its not like they have dominated underage football. I hope Mickey Harte stays on but he needs to freshen things up personnel wise. The only comment anyone would have against Harte is that he appears to be too reluctant to bring new players through instead of relying on players he has had faith in for years. There is lots of talent within the county and there has been multiple All Ireland Minor, Hogan Cup, Vocational Schools winning sides that have produced top class players.
I think you misunderstood a bit about the retirements. I was trying to highlight that there wont be retirements and that possilbly the only players to retire would be Dooher and McGinley. I'm not saying they should or have to, just that IMO these are the only players who might possiby retire. So dont get your knickers in a twist!
As for Cork with nothing coming through....they have been in 4 of the last 6 all irelan U21 finals. They must have something coming through.
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 24, 2009, 02:49:55 PM
As for Cork with nothing coming through....they have been in 4 of the last 6 all irelan U21 finals. They must have something coming through.
Agreed.
Given that we won the Junior All-Ireland against Roscommon this weekend and CIT won the Sigerson with 13 Cork men playing we should be able to field a team again next year :P
Is a fair bit of influence on the Cork supporters listening to different groups of them singing songs... "now you better believe us we're goin to win the cup." ... heard a fellow at half time giving out about the sending off saying, 'there was no guarantee he would have got through to score anyway." wat the f**!... :o was like Dublin supporters booing last year when the other team didn't kick the ball out of play when they had a man injured.
eh, the tyrone fans were booing too while gormley was down yesterday and play went on...
we like our soccer too ;)
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
I'm not picking holes JM and I wasn't highlighting a typo (apologise if that's how it came across) but I am trying to show that peaking is a myth and one of the ways I'm doing this is by asking people to define peaking. You can't achieve something unless you what it is and you, like everyone else, are unable to define what you mean by peaking. I mean how can a coach get 15 players and whatever subs are used to produce their best on a given day? I train teams to reach certain standards but sometimes they never reach it, i never set out to reach a 'peak' because I can't define it and I will never reach it.
don know about definitions but getting 15 men to play as well together as they possibly can for a number of games in row is difficult.
Cohesion and contnuity will be at a maximum after a couple of outings but then soon after this the invariable injuries and individuals loss of form can hit the starting or best 15.
my example would be Kerry.
Their starting (prob not best) 15 lined out v Cork and looked unfit.
While playing fairly rubbish against sligo and longford, they didnt have what most would deem as their best 15 out. Since then they have put stronger starting sides out and their form is improving and maybe peaked v Dublin?
That is what meath are hoping anyhow !
Well done Cork, they were clearly the better side yesterday and were a pleasure to watch. Played great football and hopefully can go on now to win the final.
If they play against Kerry/Meath the way they played against us they will have no problem.
Good luck in the final
the predictable goading from kerry 'supporters' apart, I aren't that annoyed about yesterday's defeat. This team has taken us on a fantastic journey and gave us days we only dreamt of before 2003. Also is a good Cork team and hope they win the final.
good luck to cork. thoroughly deserved that win yesterday. some of our big names didn't turn up. good luck in the final the rebels!
Fair play to Cork and their supporters. I wish them all the best in the Final and they are well capable of beating Kerry. Their hunger and speed is what won for them yesterday. They need to work on their shooting with the amount of easy scores missed yesterday.
As for Tyrone, I am very disappointed to be out of the Championship as I think we did nor perform to the best of our ability. Players were making very basic errors not typical of this team. Simple kick passes going wrong and good scoring chances not being taken. Tactically I think the extra man could have been used better. The loss of Sean can not be overstated. It was massive and I think if fit he would have made a huge difference.
Enough said about Bannon already. He did not influence the result but certainly influenced the quality of the game.
Armagh fans that cheered and flagged every Cork score should be ashamed of themselves. Any Tyrone supporters near me yesterday were totally behind Armagh minors but I will certainly be supporting the Down lads from here on.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 24, 2009, 03:38:25 PM
Fair play to Cork and their supporters. I wish them all the best in the Final and they are well capable of beating Kerry. Their hunger and speed is what won for them yesterday. They need to work on their shooting with the amount of easy scores missed yesterday.
As for Tyrone, I am very disappointed to be out of the Championship as I think we did nor perform to the best of our ability. Players were making very basic errors not typical of this team. Simple kick passes going wrong and good scoring chances not being taken. Tactically I think the extra man could have been used better. The loss of Sean can not be overstated. It was massive and I think if fit he would have made a huge difference.
Enough said about Bannon already. He did not influence the result but certainly influenced the quality of the game.
Armagh fans that cheered and flagged every Cork score should be ashamed of themselves. Any Tyrone supporters near me yesterday were totally behind Armagh minors but I will certainly be supporting the Down lads from here on.
Why?
Quote from: Estimator on August 24, 2009, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 24, 2009, 03:38:25 PM
Fair play to Cork and their supporters. I wish them all the best in the Final and they are well capable of beating Kerry. Their hunger and speed is what won for them yesterday. They need to work on their shooting with the amount of easy scores missed yesterday.
As for Tyrone, I am very disappointed to be out of the Championship as I think we did nor perform to the best of our ability. Players were making very basic errors not typical of this team. Simple kick passes going wrong and good scoring chances not being taken. Tactically I think the extra man could have been used better. The loss of Sean can not be overstated. It was massive and I think if fit he would have made a huge difference.
Enough said about Bannon already. He did not influence the result but certainly influenced the quality of the game.
Armagh fans that cheered and flagged every Cork score should be ashamed of themselves. Any Tyrone supporters near me yesterday were totally behind Armagh minors but I will certainly be supporting the Down lads from here on.
Why?
Would have thought the traditional Gael would support the team from the same province?
Quote from: EC Unique on August 24, 2009, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 24, 2009, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 24, 2009, 03:38:25 PM
Fair play to Cork and their supporters. I wish them all the best in the Final and they are well capable of beating Kerry. Their hunger and speed is what won for them yesterday. They need to work on their shooting with the amount of easy scores missed yesterday.
As for Tyrone, I am very disappointed to be out of the Championship as I think we did nor perform to the best of our ability. Players were making very basic errors not typical of this team. Simple kick passes going wrong and good scoring chances not being taken. Tactically I think the extra man could have been used better. The loss of Sean can not be overstated. It was massive and I think if fit he would have made a huge difference.
Enough said about Bannon already. He did not influence the result but certainly influenced the quality of the game.
Armagh fans that cheered and flagged every Cork score should be ashamed of themselves. Any Tyrone supporters near me yesterday were totally behind Armagh minors but I will certainly be supporting the Down lads from here on.
Why?
Would have thought the traditional Gael would support the team from the same province?
In my experience this rarely happens. I'm sure the Cork fans weren't supporting Kerry in the minors.
QuoteI did define it.
With respect JM you didn't.
QuoteYour job as a coach is to make sure they can perform in the top 10% - 15% of their current potential.
How do you know what their potential is and how as a coach do you get 30 players of varying potentials to peak together?
QuoteTo increase the '10' you have to overload which means they would be in periods where they are not near their 'peak' but they are improving it.
That is peaking to me.
That's training, not peaking.
QuoteAll I know is that Kerry playing Limerick in the first round of the championship is not the same level of fitness, aggression, or sharpness (in thought or deed) as will be the case if they played Dublin in August, for example.
Again that's just the training process, for example if I'm running a marathon in September and I start training in January I won't be as fit in April as I will be in September but I can't guarantee that I wouldn't have run a better tim if I ran the race in August rather than September. In other words I can prepare myself to run a good race in or around September but I can't do anything to ensure that I will run my absolute best on the day of the race.
Quotedon know about definitions but getting 15 men to play as well together as they possibly can for a number of games in row is difficult.
Cohesion and contnuity will be at a maximum after a couple of outings but then soon after this the invariable injuries and individuals loss of form can hit the starting or best 15.
my example would be Kerry.
Their starting (prob not best) 15 lined out v Cork and looked unfit.
While playing fairly rubbish against sligo and longford, they didnt have what most would deem as their best 15 out. Since then they have put stronger starting sides out and their form is improving and maybe peaked v Dublin?
That is what meath are hoping anyhow !
Kerry might not reach the standard of the Dublin game again this year but it isn't because of their training program that they 'peaked' that day. All I'm saying is as a coach you can't get 30 individuals to 'peak' on a given day, so it isn't a goal you should set yourself.
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2009, 01:39:53 PM
See ger houlihan putting the boot in via the belfast tele. Saying Tyrone merely a good team as only great ones retain sam.
Hoully wasn't even part of a good team using his own logic.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 03:51:25 PM
Kerry might not reach the standard of the Dublin game again this year but it isn't because of their training program that they 'peaked' that day. All I'm saying is as a coach you can't get 30 individuals to 'peak' on a given day, so it isn't a goal you should set yourself.
have to say Zulu that looking at kerry fitness in their first couple of championship matches and comparing that with their fitness against Dublin - to me that defines it all about 'peaking'.
as a coach I wouldnt try to be getting 30 individuals to peak on a given day, I'd try to get the TEAM to peak !
I don't understand why all of a sudden people are supposed to get behind a team simply because they are from the same province. This would be the same team whose supporters you couldnt listen to from September last year until yesterday, giving bad manners about my county, other "lesser" counties, telling everyone how great they are and then being shocked when we don't get behind you? Also, I wonder would Tyrone folk be so sporting had that been Kerry that beat you yesterday?
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 24, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
I don’t understand why all of a sudden people are supposed to get behind a team simply because they are from the same province. This would be the same team whose supporters you couldnt listen to from September last year until yesterday, giving bad manners about my county, other “lesser” counties, telling everyone how great they are and then being shocked when we don’t get behind you? Also, I wonder would Tyrone folk be so sporting had that been Kerry that beat you yesterday?
Totally agree SLK
If you were from Ulster I think you'd understand
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 02:45:32 PM
Maybe it's terminology. You are attempting (Zulu) to but a very definitive, scientific, meaning to peaking. Maybe peaking is the wrong word, maybe it's momentum, improvement etc. All I know is that Kerry playing Limerick in the first round of the championship is not the same level of fitness, aggression, or sharpness (in thought or deed) as will be the case if they played Dublin in August, for example.
Peaking implies that you cannot go any further, as you say, so peaking is a slight misnomer.
As I said earlier this term of peaking is bullshit IMO. It's coined by sports sciencists to make themselves sound like geniuses. The correct term as someone said earlier is momentum. Defined as in my view as winning matches concurrently and also staying in a competition long enough so eventually you reach the top 10% percentile of performance.
This idea that Kerry were holding back against Longford and Sligo is crap. They weren't playing well but due to the inability of the above to seal the deal- kerry earned a stay of execution where they were able to rectify matters to produce something like their best against Dublin.
What I object to is sports science gurus claiming that this is all part of a master plan. Which is complete tosh. Sligo should have put Kerry out- that is only reason Kerry remain in the championship- not because they were waiting around to peak against Dublin which is complete garbage.
Was thinking before the match how slow this thread was and reading it now it just seems like people had a lot of interest and thoughts but were just sitting on the fence as they didn't know what way the game would go.
read through some pages but not them all and agree with most people's thoughts that it was more Cork's awesome performance and hunger rather than Tyrone's collapse or non show display.
To be honest Cork could have won by more but then again had a few things went our way we could have maybe drawn level with them at crucial stages but alas it wasn't to be.
Was very angry with the ref as were many others and despite his obvious bad calls such as the second yellow, he might some brutal decisions against Tyrone with men fouling them but waved play on. SoN's shirt showing some evidence.
I was amazed we continued to run the ball into Cork's defensive wall on their 40 as time and time again we lost possession.
Would it not have been better to kick long ball into the FF line were at least SON and Penrose were winning at least 50% of what was be kicked into them
It was very frustrating to watch the same mistake being made again & again with no-one taking charge of the situation to change to plan B or C.
Congrats to Cork. Their performance reminded me of that of ours in 2003 when we would bust a gut to win every ball and they beat us at our own game all over the field.
A lot of 'Neutrals' would be happy to call this the end of the Tyrone era and sure let them believe that.
I for one can see too many retiring but would like to see the younger lads pushing on next year and challenging maybe the older lads for their places. Hopefully Mickey wont be like other counties and be scared of changing the guard as we've loads of lads that can come in and do a good job.
Hope to watch it again tonight on Sky+ to see this Brolly v Spillane rant but sure what would you expect from the man & I'd say he was just ripping that it was Cork that put Tyrone on their asses and not his beloved Kingdom.
Jack O'Connor & Darragh O'Se will have to wait to get their victories over Tyrone or maybe it will never happen.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2009, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 02:45:32 PM
Maybe it's terminology. You are attempting (Zulu) to but a very definitive, scientific, meaning to peaking. Maybe peaking is the wrong word, maybe it's momentum, improvement etc. All I know is that Kerry playing Limerick in the first round of the championship is not the same level of fitness, aggression, or sharpness (in thought or deed) as will be the case if they played Dublin in August, for example.
Peaking implies that you cannot go any further, as you say, so peaking is a slight misnomer.
As I said earlier this term of peaking is bullshit IMO. It's coined by sports sciencists to make themselves sound like geniuses. The correct term as someone said earlier is momentum. Defined as in my view as winning matches concurrently and also staying in a competition long enough so eventually you reach the top 10% percentile of performance.
This idea that Kerry were holding back against Longford and Sligo is crap. They weren't playing well but due to the inability of the above to seal the deal- kerry earned a stay of execution where they were able to rectify matters to produce something like their best against Dublin.
What I object to is sports science gurus claiming that this is all part of a master plan. Which is complete tosh. Sligo should have put Kerry out- that is only reason Kerry remain in the championship- not because they were waiting around to peak against Dublin which is complete garbage.
maybe we cant define it or that its not defined in what has been said already
but earlier in the championship Kerry were def not fit
they also did not have what constitutes their best XV out in the qualifier matches (imo at least - well if you compare the line ups to what they are putting out now)
Kerry dont normally fire on all cylinders until Aug/sept and thats usually enough to get them through to there or thereabouts
thats what I'd label as peaking !
Quote from: popinpoput on August 24, 2009, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2009, 01:39:53 PM
See ger houlihan putting the boot in via the belfast tele. Saying Tyrone merely a good team as only great ones retain sam.
Hoully wasn't even part of a good team using his own logic.
Well yeah, with the possible exception of a couple of years it would be a good one that could argue Houlie was part of a good armagh team.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 24, 2009, 04:02:35 PM
Jack O'Connor & Darragh O'Se will have to wait to get their victories over Tyrone or maybe it will never happen.
Yup, thats what its all about ::)
As I said before, if Kerry win the AI this year, you try and find me a disappointed Kerry face at not getting to play Tyrone. You'd be looking for a while.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 24, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 24, 2009, 04:02:35 PM
Jack O'Connor & Darragh O'Se will have to wait to get their victories over Tyrone or maybe it will never happen.
Yup, thats what its all about ::)
As I said before, if Kerry win the AI this year, you try and find me a disappointed Kerry face at not getting to play Tyrone. You'd be looking for a while.
That is why they might win it... not getting to play Tyrone ;)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 24, 2009, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 03:51:25 PM
Kerry might not reach the standard of the Dublin game again this year but it isn't because of their training program that they 'peaked' that day. All I'm saying is as a coach you can't get 30 individuals to 'peak' on a given day, so it isn't a goal you should set yourself.
have to say Zulu that looking at kerry fitness in their first couple of championship matches and comparing that with their fitness against Dublin - to me that defines it all about 'peaking'.
as a coach I wouldnt try to be getting 30 individuals to peak on a given day, I'd try to get the TEAM to peak !
Again LB I would say that improving fitness is a constant process rather than a peak. In fact most teams lose certain aspects of fitness as the year goes on rather than improve it. Aerobic fitness, for example, tends to decrease a bit in the latter part of the season so while you obviously want to be able to play well at the business end of the season you aren't necessarily at a 'peak'.
QuoteAs I said earlier this term of peaking is bullshit IMO. It's coined by sports sciencists to make themselves sound like geniuses.
I wouldn't entirely agree, I would say the term has been misused by people who don't know what they are talking about.
I think there was a cockiness in the air yesterday surrounding Tyrone in my eyes, they had their eyes on the 2 in a row and going down as a 'great team' and forgot about a semi final against Cork, i know a lot of Tyrone people who had Rooms booked for the All ireland w'end,
i even know one person who in Jan of this year would not book a holiday in sept because of the All ireland even though it was £250 cheaper,
Tyrone yesterday reminded me of Armagh in 06, just not at the races, lets be honest guys, they werent really tested this year bar a 1st half performance by Kildare, it does not say much for the rest of Ulster at them min,
Ara lads, don't get hung up on people using the wrong terminology. It's the spirit of what they mean that's important. I think the the better teams are playing better and more phyiscally and mentally tuned in later in the year. If that's a stroke of managerial genius, or luck combined with momentum of winning games while playing poorly (relatively), it still amounts to the same thing.
Sometimes a cliche is a cliche because it's true. Good teams are at their most formidable in August/September.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 03:51:25 PM
QuoteI did define it.
With respect JM you didn't.
QuoteYour job as a coach is to make sure they can perform in the top 10% - 15% of their current potential.
How do you know what their potential is and how as a coach do you get 30 players of varying potentials to peak together?
QuoteTo increase the '10' you have to overload which means they would be in periods where they are not near their 'peak' but they are improving it.
That is peaking to me.
That's training, not peaking.
Ok, you're either taking the piss now or just stupid – honestly.
You're not reading what I'm saying at all – or you're just a WUM.
Of course training is training – but after a training phase there is a period where the athlete is at a level where they can perform near their current potential.
Peaking is being near your current potential.
Current Potential is the level you're at currently – your Absolute Human Potential is among other things heavily determined by genetic aspects.
Peaking is having the person in a state of readiness that they can express as close as possible to their Current Potential.
Quote from: Onion Bag on August 24, 2009, 04:14:02 PM
I think there was a cockiness in the air yesterday surrounding Tyrone in my eyes, they had their eyes on the 2 in a row and going down as a 'great team' and forgot about a semi final against Cork, i know a lot of Tyrone people who had Rooms booked for the All ireland w'end,
i even know one person who in Jan of this year would not book a holiday in sept because of the All ireland even though it was £250 cheaper,
Tyrone yesterday reminded me of Armagh in 06, just not at the races, lets be honest guys, they werent really tested this year bar a 1st half performance by Kildare, it does not say much for the rest of Ulster at them min,
Makes sense to me... you live in hope of getting to the final and wouldn't want to be stuck hundreds of miles away. .. rooms can also be cancelled
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Ara lads, don't get hung up on people using the wrong terminology. It's the spirit of what they mean that's important. I think the the better teams are playing better and more phyiscally and mentally tuned in later in the year. If that's a stroke of managerial genius, or luck combined with momentum of winning games while playing poorly (relatively), it still amounts to the same thing.
Sometimes a cliche is a cliche because it's true. Good teams are at their most formidable in August/September.
Yerrah ok I agree on that
Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2009, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Ara lads, don't get hung up on people using the wrong terminology. It's the spirit of what they mean that's important. I think the the better teams are playing better and more phyiscally and mentally tuned in later in the year. If that's a stroke of managerial genius, or luck combined with momentum of winning games while playing poorly (relatively), it still amounts to the same thing.
Sometimes a cliche is a cliche because it's true. Good teams are at their most formidable in August/September.
Yerrah ok I agree on that
But you have to be in the competition in August/September. the fact that Kerry were there this year was largely down to the soft draw. Had they drawn Derry for example they'd have been beaten. The fact of the matter is they drew 3 div 4 teams and were able to regroup.
QuoteOk, you're either taking the piss now or just stupid – honestly
Hmmm
QuoteYou're not reading what I'm saying at all – or you're just a WUM.
Yes you've caught me I'm a WUM, stupid indeed. ::) ::)
QuoteOf course training is training – but after a training phase there is a period where the athlete is at a level where they can perform near their current potential.
What does that mean? A nonsense sentence.
QuotePeaking is being near your current potential.
If that's true then you are peaking all year round. For example I can run 5 miles in about 40 minutes at the moment, so if I run 5 miles tomorrow and do it in 41 minutes I've run close to my current potential and by your definition I've peaked. In a months time I'd expect to be able to run 5 miles in 35 minutes or thereabouts and if I do that according to you I'll still be peaking. Stupidity indeed.
QuotePeaking is having the person in a state of readiness that they can express as close as possible to their Current Potential.
You do know what a peak is don't you?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
What kind of drugs are you on these days Sheehy, you are a bitter wee man and hate to see any Ulster team do well. i cant abide Tyrone but they are a tremendous team and i can take the rose tinted glasses off long enough to admit that.
You are shitting bricks, you know your team is shite and the mere thought of having to play Cork and get the shite kicked out of you is more than you can bear, hence the miserable bastid that you are these days. You hopefully wont have to worry about it because in all likelyhood you wont meet tham. C'mon the rebels. ;)
As for armagh, we have one AI and i was there Mike,it was the best day of my life and I have you and the rest of kerry to thank for it, you played your small part just like your crappy minor team did yesterday. ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2009, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2009, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Ara lads, don't get hung up on people using the wrong terminology. It's the spirit of what they mean that's important. I think the the better teams are playing better and more phyiscally and mentally tuned in later in the year. If that's a stroke of managerial genius, or luck combined with momentum of winning games while playing poorly (relatively), it still amounts to the same thing.
Sometimes a cliche is a cliche because it's true. Good teams are at their most formidable in August/September.
Yerrah ok I agree on that
But you have to be in the competition in August/September. the fact that Kerry were there this year was largely down to the soft draw. Had they drawn Derry for example they'd have been beaten. The fact of the matter is they drew 3 div 4 teams and were able to regroup.
Yes - but who said you only peak once?
Not you anyway as you seem to think people are constantly peaking.
Suprised we didnt use the 40 yards of empty space behind midfield better. Rather than run the ball out we could have knocked early ball into son who had the beating of lynch 1 on 1. Would have been good to see tyrone at 100% form and fitness but sine e for another year. Good luck to cork in the final.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Ara lads, don't get hung up on people using the wrong terminology. It's the spirit of what they mean that's important. I think the the better teams are playing better and more phyiscally and mentally tuned in later in the year. If that's a stroke of managerial genius, or luck combined with momentum of winning games while playing poorly (relatively), it still amounts to the same thing.
Sometimes a cliche is a cliche because it's true. Good teams are at their most formidable in August/September.
I was wondering if the likes of Mike McCarthy coming in late to the Kerry team, probably missing all the killing winter training at 30 odd years of age and yet still able to hold down a pivotal position against, younger, fitter lads not speak volumes for the old addage of it being better to be fresh than fit?
I've probably jinxed him now for sunday!!
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 04:28:53 PM
QuoteOk, you're either taking the piss now or just stupid – honestly
Hmmm
QuoteYou're not reading what I'm saying at all – or you're just a WUM.
Yes you've caught me I'm a WUM, stupid indeed. ::) ::)
QuoteOf course training is training – but after a training phase there is a period where the athlete is at a level where they can perform near their current potential.
What does that mean? A nonsense sentence.
QuotePeaking is being near your current potential.
If that's true then you are peaking all year round. For example I can run 5 miles in about 40 minutes at the moment, so if I run 5 miles tomorrow and do it in 41 minutes I've run close to my current potential and by your definition I've peaked. In a months time I'd expect to be able to run 5 miles in 35 minutes or thereabouts and if I do that according to you I'll still be peaking. Stupidity indeed.
QuotePeaking is having the person in a state of readiness that they can express as close as possible to their Current Potential.
You do know what a peak is don't you?
You do know what training is don't you?
There is no way you're going to admit someone else might be right are you?
Let's take your example to try and placate you.
Your
Absolute Human Potential is possibly 5 miles in 30 minutes lets say...
You run 5 miles in 40 minutes now
Your
Current Potential is possibly 38 minutes
If you went out and ran a max effort and peaked that's what you should expect to hit - 38 mins
If you do that then that was peaking.
If you exceed it - you've peaked and overloaded and do that a few times and you've
moved your potential up to 37 minutes or so.
Peaking is where you reach a peak - and once you reach it the peak moves.
The only things that never moves is your Absolute Human Potential - which is debateable - but it's at the limits of human performance for your race/age/genes etc etc etc
If you can't take the time to read that and try and understand it don't bother ...
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 04:32:07 PM
Not you anyway as you seem to think people are constantly peaking.
Of course they are - what is Usain Bolt doing every time he breaks the world record and Pb's?
What is a PB except peaking for the games/championships etc
Or maybe he's not peaking of course ::)
Two in total... you're having a laugh ;)
QuoteIf you can't take the time to read that and try and understand it don't bother ...
You should heed your own advice.
QuoteYou do know what training is don't you?
Do you?
QuoteYour Absolute Human Potential is possibly 5 miles in 30 minutes lets say...
You run 5 miles in 40 minutes now
Your Current Potential is possibly 38 minutes
If you went out and ran a max effort and peaked that's what you should expect to hit - 38 mins
If you do that then that was peaking.
That isn't peaking, that's me improving and has nothing to do what we're talking about as by your definition as long as your improving your peaking. The point I've constantly made and the one which you can't seem to understand is a coach can't do anything to guarantee that a team will reach a peak in 3 months time or whatever, he can improve them over that time and they should be better able to perform in 3 months than a=they are now but that isn't peaking.
QuotePeaking is where you reach a peak - and once you reach it the peak moves.
By that definition you could peak almost every week.
QuoteThere is no way you're going to admit someone else might be right are you?
I have an opinion, which is that as a coach you can't get 30 players to peak on a given day at some point in the distant future. I've argued that point and attempted to support it by explaining it logically. It has nothing to do with being right or wrong and if you were able to explain how a coach can get 30 players to peak for a particular day I'd accept it but all you've done is termed improving as peaking which is wrong.
QuoteIf you can't take the time to read that and try and understand it don't bother ...
Right back at you and if you can't discuss an issue without accussing others of being WUMs or Stupid maybe you shouldn't bother.
Your knowledge of coaching must be limited if you think someone can 'peak' every week! ;D
How the hell can you expect to PB every week?
Your confusing peaking with training now and seem to think that you can't train and peak often in the same season or the phasic nature of adaptation to training.
You don't understand what peaking is in team sports - and it is possible to prime players to perform at a current medium-term peak as you have to do in SFC games.
It's a big task to peak multiple players - but you can get the majority of the team near their peak - well enough to perform on cue.
But it doesn't matter at this stage - you're obviously not going to change your opinion and I've better things to do than try and explain to someone who doesn't want to.
But whats the difference between peaking and playing well? I can't see the difference.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 23, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Tyrone would have won if they got fair play. Whatever about O'Connor, Canty and Miskella should have walked and Tyrone players were not awarded frees when they should have been. Cork got handy frees and were allowed to overcarry.
A risible assertion, although unsurprising for that.
QuoteYour knowledge of coaching must be limited if you think someone can 'peak' every week!
It's you who said this, you said if you are within 10% of your current peak performance you are peaking and by that definition you could be peaking every week.
QuoteYour confusing peaking with training now
I'm afraid it is you who is confusing them.
QuoteYou don't understand what peaking is in team sports - and it is possible to prime players to perform at a current medium-term peak as you have to do in SFC games.
It's a big task to peak multiple players - but you can get the majority of the team near their peak - well enough to perform on cue.
I certainly do know what peaking is in team sports, I'm just pointing out to you that it can't be done. You can improve the players in many ways but most teams aerobic fitness reduces later in the year but their speed is probably better so you when your talking about peaking in team sports it is a very wishy washy notion. Throw in injuries, different training histories, different levels of application, different club games/training etc. and it is impossible to get them to peak, even by your dubious definition.
QuoteBut it doesn't matter at this stage - you're obviously not going to change your opinion and I've better things to do than try and explain to someone who doesn't want to.
Grow up FFS, I'm always looking to learn in this area and if you, or anybody else, were able to show that I am wrong about something I'd take it on. But you haven't you've been unable to explain how you can get 30 lads to peak for a given date or dates. And as a result you've resorted to mild abuse and hissy fits.
peaking is an athletic term, applicable only partially to football
I wonder why Colm Cavanagh didnt come on.
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 24, 2009, 05:22:45 PM
peaking is an athletic term, applicable only partially to football
I think it's very applicable from the physical aspect and also to a large degree mental - but that would just open a whole new can of worms!
Great coaches know how to get their team to "peak" at the right times of the year. It is not essential to be at your best at every given game and to ensure that your body is capable of maintaining itself at the right level training has to be geared towards that. I played on a team that won 3 AI's in 4 years. I was never the fittest and JK knew that. he did though know when we had to be at pur best. There was never any point in us being flying fit in April if we were fcuked by August.
I reckon JoC has taken this approach with Kerry this year. He geared his training after the Cork game for them to be at thier peak in August. That is why they were fresh and flying against the Dubs. If they beat Meath(which I think they will after a tight game) it will be interesting to see who is the sharpest in the Final. Cork wound down their training before the Limerick game which showed in thier lethargic performance. It paid off. They will train very little this week, they will be with their clubs and will wind it up next week to be "peaking" for the Final. Your body needs to be tuned to playing at a particular level and you mind does too. This is "peaking"
...going to miss going to the victory banquet this year :'(
I think you are misusing the term 'peaking' there BC1, all any coach can do is prepare the team for the demands of the game and you would hope that your training will allow the players to continure to improve throughout the year. This is true of every team, so the idea that Kerry are pacing themselves while others may not be is nonsense IMO. I would be very surprised if Kerry's fitness test results didn't compare favourably to any other counties at any stage this year.
Cork deserved to win but very disappointed with their 2nd half attitude when they did become very cynical and really Tyrone should have had a few more more frees than they got. Reminded me a little of Mayo against Galway in that Mayo were far superior but then started fouling all around them and it almost cost them the game.
Also thought Corks tackling wasnt great. Another ref would have given more frees to Tyrone, no question. But then Tyrone cant really complain cos they wrongly had an extra man. But then, Didnt Miskella stay on the pitch? See these things always balance out!
Not to mention the Tyrone kickouts that didnt go past the 21.
Also, did anyone else notice on 3 or 4 seperate occasions that the big screens in Croker showed replays of fouls. I thought they weren't supposed to do this?
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 06:09:05 PM
I think you are misusing the term 'peaking' there BC1, all any coach can do is prepare the team for the demands of the game and you would hope that your training will allow the players to continure to improve throughout the year. This is true of every team, so the idea that Kerry are pacing themselves while others may not be is nonsense IMO. I would be very surprised if Kerry's fitness test results didn't compare favourably to any other counties at any stage this year.
I am not misusing it zulu. I know from experience as a player and a coach you change you approach to training to ensure that players are at certain level depending on the game. The human body will not take full bel training all the time as it will blow out.
Peaking debate to separate thread maybe lads? Getting a bit boring.
Everyone knew this Cork team had the players, but big question marks have supposedly existed over their mental ability to win big games (or is this only V Kerry?). Not sure if that really got answered yesterday, Tyrone certainly did not play well enough to rigorously examine these supposedly weak 'psychological credentials'.
Like a few posters mentioned earlier the period after half-time was crucial, I wasn't confident but I was hoping that maybe we could hit a purple patch like the last time get it back to within a goal and make a tight finish of it. Once we missed the free and it went back to 5 point game I thought that was it. Cork closed the game out well, though how much of that was us playing very badly I don't know. Turned over more ball in that one game than we would have done in whole seasons in winning years.
A lot have mentioned the HF line being quite weak yesterday, one man who I feel has been a bit of an unsung hero (in big Croke Park games as least) has been Mellon, is it crazy to suggest he would have been a good asset yesterday had he been fit?
But anyways good luck to Cork in the final whomever they meet.
First off, well done Cork; they had a plan, and boy did they make it stick. Their greater pace, power and precision were too much for us on the day, a day on which we looked but a shadow of the team we often are. No greater testimony to the lethargy on the day were the vast swathes of an empty Croke with not a single Tír Eoghain jersey in sight, particularly when we had the numerical advantage, and space that we'd generally devour. Cork will take some beating in the final, and if they show the same levels of application and industry I don't see them being beaten, regardless of the victors on Sunday next.
What's with Spillane? A few weeks ago he couldn't speak highly enough of Mickey Harte and Tyrone, though in private in Louth, but once again goes and makes a complete ass of himself in public. He may be correct to a degree of course, Kerry have won the All-Ireland more than anyone else this decade, and what's more they put two titles back-to-back, something that we've found well-nigh impossible to do, despite having taken the less tortuous path via the Ulster Championship (the fact that we have to contend with Ulster and Kerry have to contend 'only' with Munster may be a factor, but that's another discussion). Nonetheless, the legs were not there, and the necessary energy levels could not be mined. And whilst Kerry may be indisputably and technically the team of the decade, I suspect that the team that will persist longest in the public consciousness as having captured the essence best, and been most emblematic of the decade will be Tyrone (followed by Armagh :)). And is he seriously suggesting that Tyrone aren't great team based on a single performance yesterday, even though this team has beaten his own great Kerry team 100% of the games this decade, on no fewer than three occasions? If he is, he's on the wrong side of the asylum wall, and I know that all decent Kingdom agree with me on that one ;)
It could be the end of the road for Brian Dooher, and what a servant to the county's cause he has been. Ni bheidh a leithid aris ann sa geansai Thír Eoghain.
And well done to the Armagh Minors, much the better team. 'Tis a pity though our cheering for them was not reciprocated with some of the Armagh folk ???
A couple of words on the ref: bloody awful
We haven't gone away you know.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2009, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2009, 06:09:05 PM
I think you are misusing the term 'peaking' there BC1, all any coach can do is prepare the team for the demands of the game and you would hope that your training will allow the players to continure to improve throughout the year. This is true of every team, so the idea that Kerry are pacing themselves while others may not be is nonsense IMO. I would be very surprised if Kerry's fitness test results didn't compare favourably to any other counties at any stage this year.
I am not misusing it zulu. I know from experience as a player and a coach you change you approach to training to ensure that players are at certain level depending on the game. The human body will not take full bel training all the time as it will blow out.
Of course not but it is fanciful to think that 25 players doing the same training will all be at a peak for a given day. The point I'm making is that as a coach you can't, for example, say I'll have all the lads peaking for Sunday 6 weeks. All you can do is train them to improve over the course of the season. As tyssam5 said this topic shouldn't really be discussed here but any coach that thinks he can actually design a training program which will get 25-30 athletically diverse men, some of whom are training/playing with other teams to peak on one or more days in the future is fooling himself.
Quote from: mckieran on August 24, 2009, 06:14:35 PM
Cork deserved to win but very disappointed with their 2nd half attitude when they did become very cynical and really Tyrone should have had a few more more frees than they got. Reminded me a little of Mayo against Galway in that Mayo were far superior but then started fouling all around them and it almost cost them the game.
Also thought Corks tackling wasnt great. Another ref would have given more frees to Tyrone, no question. But then Tyrone cant really complain cos they wrongly had an extra man. But then, Didnt Miskella stay on the pitch? See these things always balance out!
Tyrone got 3 scores from free's that weren't as it is.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 06:40:24 PM
First off, well done Cork; they had a plan, and boy did they make it stick. Their greater pace, power and precision were too much for us on the day, a day on which we looked but a shadow of the team we often are. No greater testimony to the lethargy on the day were the vast swathes of an empty Croke with not a single Tír Eoghain jersey in sight, particularly when we had the numerical advantage, and space that we'd generally devour. Cork will take some beating in the final, and if they show the same levels of application and industry I don't see them being beaten, regardless of the victors on Sunday next.
What's with Spillane? A few weeks ago he couldn't speak highly enough of Mickey Harte and Tyrone, though in private in Louth, but once again goes and makes a complete ass of himself in public. He may be correct to a degree of course, Kerry have won the All-Ireland more than anyone else this decade, and what's more they put two titles back-to-back, something that we've found well-nigh impossible to do, despite having taken the less tortuous path via the Ulster Championship (the fact that we have to contend with Ulster and Kerry have to contend 'only' with Munster may be a factor, but that's another discussion). Nonetheless, the legs were not there, and the necessary energy levels could not be mined. And whilst Kerry may be indisputably and technically the team of the decade, I suspect that the team that will persist longest in the public consciousness as having captured the essence best, and been most emblematic of the decade will be Tyrone (followed by Armagh :)). And is he seriously suggesting that Tyrone aren't great team based on a single performance yesterday, even though this team has beaten his own great Kerry team 100% of the games this decade, on no fewer than three occasions? If he is, he's on the wrong side of the asylum wall, and I know that all decent Kingdom agree with me on that one ;)
It could be the end of the road for Brian Dooher, and what a servant to the county's cause he has been. Ni bheidh a leithid aris ann sa geansai Thír Eoghain.
And well done to the Armagh Minors, much the better team. 'Tis a pity though our cheering for them was not reciprocated with some of the Armagh folk ???
A couple of words on the ref: bloody awful
We haven't gone away you know.
Oh Fear, i seen a brave few Tyrone flags flying when Kerry were scoring, you are always going to get a minority
Quote from: Onion Bag on August 24, 2009, 06:59:12 PM
Oh Fear, i seen a brave few Tyrone flags flying when Kerry were scoring, you are always going to get a minority
No worries Onion bag, as you say, we both have our minorities. Shame on both.
QuoteTyrone got 3 scores from free's that weren't as it is.
There was one when Dooher went to ground. But I cant remember any other instance.
I was shocked at how many times the ref let players got away dragging their opponents around the neck (Is this tackling?!). We really needed to bring in the experimental rules from the league.
Firstly Congratulations to Cork they were superb yesterday & maerited their win.
Tyrone on the other hand seemed very heavy legged & the usual instigators of so much of their good work the Doohers, Harte's, Jordans & Gormleys simply never got going & couldnt inject any urgency into their play to start the fightback.
Stephen O'Neill is a fantastic talent every time he got good ball he tortured Anthony Lynch.
Cork are a massive side physically, but as was evident yesterday if you get in their faces they tend to lash out. Bannon wasnt man enough to send Miskella off after getting Alan O'Connors decision ridiculously wrong, but he seemed to side with Cork thereafter as if to try to make it up to them.
As a neutral it was afantastic game but I think if Kerry get past Meath they may cause Cork a lot more problems than they managed two months ago & if Cork try the same tactics with a better standard of Referee they may well loose the game through their own indiscipline.
Kerry have come on a lot & looked to finally have a togetherness that was missing for long periods of the Summer.
My tip Kerry to cause the upset.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 24, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
I don't understand why all of a sudden people are supposed to get behind a team simply because they are from the same province. This would be the same team whose supporters you couldnt listen to from September last year until yesterday, giving bad manners about my county, other "lesser" counties, telling everyone how great they are and then being shocked when we don't get behind you? Also, I wonder would Tyrone folk be so sporting had that been Kerry that beat you yesterday?
You tell them :D
Tyronies would have the world believe that everyone from Ulster has to support them. I watched the 2002 final in a pub in the Moy and the locals were all shouting for Kerry, it's understandable when local rivalry is so intense. I don't understand why they think it would be any different for Armagh supporters or Derry wans. They have all taken great offense to people saying that they are glad that Tyrone lost and that. I am glad they lost, it will hopefully shut some arrogant ones up for a while. It is nice to see that most on here are gracious in defeat, the slabbers are still hiding though...
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
Also - Mickey had a bad day at the office. The Justin-Ricey swopping was just confusing and McMahon was badly exposed at CB. He also saw that the HF line were not competing with Cork's HBs. Tommy was not at the races whilst Joe and Brian laboured. The damage was done at 1-7 to 0-3. I thought Mickey would've attempted at least one change there.
Shane, (I think) you have mentioned this more than once since the match. Mickey mentioned in a radio interview after the game that he would be around next year as was agreed (contracted?) that he would.
Just curious, but do any of the Tyrone posters see the possibility that Mickey's right to stay might get called into question by elements of the support / clubs? I get the impression that despite his achievements to date, there are still elements who would not be too keen - the same people who were expressing disquiet last year before the All Ireland was won.
Quote from: stew on August 24, 2009, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
What kind of drugs are you on these days Sheehy, you are a bitter wee man and hate to see any Ulster team do well. i cant abide Tyrone but they are a tremendous team and i can take the rose tinted glasses off long enough to admit that.
You are shitting bricks, you know your team is shite and the mere thought of having to play Cork and get the shite kicked out of you is more than you can bear, hence the miserable bastid that you are these days. You hopefully wont have to worry about it because in all likelyhood you wont meet tham. C'mon the rebels. ;)
As for armagh, we have one AI and i was there Mike,it was the best day of my life and I have you and the rest of kerry to thank for it, you played your small part just like your crappy minor team did yesterday. ;D
ahh its stewie "cant make his mind up" ....he loves Tyrone, he hates Tyrone, he loves Tyrone he hates Tyrone....and on, and on. You really are a nutjob.
And its a pity you have to insult young lads like that calling them "crappy" . Your a classy fella alright.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 24, 2009, 07:44:32 PM
Tyronies would have the world believe that everyone from Ulster has to support them.
Well, in fairness, I think it's fair that the Minors should have their neighbours' support, being the young lads that they are. The Seniors are well able to take the neighbours shouting for their opponents, and probably take it as an honour and would be positively spooked if they weren't ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 24, 2009, 07:44:32 PM
Tyronies would have the world believe that everyone from Ulster has to support them.
Well, in fairness, I think it's fair that the Minors should have their neighbours' support, being the young lads that they are. The Seniors are well able to take the neighbours shouting for their opponents, and probably take it as an honour and would be positively spooked if they weren't ;)
I'd tend to agree - also, when it counts the rivalry disappears in a heartbeat, like when Cormac died, the guard of honour from Armagh men on the border between the counties said it all.
Don't get me wrong, I have respect for Tyrone for what they have achieved but never wanted to see them win a thing :D
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 24, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
Also - Mickey had a bad day at the office. The Justin-Ricey swopping was just confusing and McMahon was badly exposed at CB. He also saw that the HF line were not competing with Cork's HBs. Tommy was not at the races whilst Joe and Brian laboured. The damage was done at 1-7 to 0-3. I thought Mickey would've attempted at least one change there.
Shane, (I think) you have mentioned this more than once since the match. Mickey mentioned in a radio interview after the game that he would be around next year as was agreed (contracted?) that he would.
I don't see the connection between my quote and your post.
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 08:01:24 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 24, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
Also - Mickey had a bad day at the office. The Justin-Ricey swopping was just confusing and McMahon was badly exposed at CB. He also saw that the HF line were not competing with Cork's HBs. Tommy was not at the races whilst Joe and Brian laboured. The damage was done at 1-7 to 0-3. I thought Mickey would've attempted at least one change there.
Shane, (I think) you have mentioned this more than once since the match. Mickey mentioned in a radio interview after the game that he would be around next year as was agreed (contracted?) that he would.
I don't see the connection between my quote and your post.
I took it from your post that Mickey made decisions that you feel did not work out. The impression I got from that was that you felt that some of his decisions were questionable. The match was of course lost.
Is there a chance that these issues that you referred to in the context of 'Mickey had a bad day at the office' and Tyrone losing, might turn into a more damning verdict on Mickey, that could lead to some questioning Mickey's tenure continuing into next year?
I don't know if you want that to be the case but no. Mickey has infinitely more knowledge than I do about how to win a game and he has proved time and time again that he gets it a hell of a lot more right than wrong. Three times he outfoxed Kerry on the greatest stage. However, yesterday his decisions, or lack of them, went against him. It was hence a bad day for him.
Anyone who thinks Mickey's tenure should be called in to question on the basis of one poor performance needs to be assessed by the head doctor.
Away back to Reservoir Dubs with you ye turncoat.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 07:47:11 PM
Quote from: stew on August 24, 2009, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
What kind of drugs are you on these days Sheehy, you are a bitter wee man and hate to see any Ulster team do well. i cant abide Tyrone but they are a tremendous team and i can take the rose tinted glasses off long enough to admit that.
You are shitting bricks, you know your team is shite and the mere thought of having to play Cork and get the shite kicked out of you is more than you can bear, hence the miserable bastid that you are these days. You hopefully wont have to worry about it because in all likelyhood you wont meet tham. C'mon the rebels. ;)
As for armagh, we have one AI and i was there Mike,it was the best day of my life and I have you and the rest of kerry to thank for it, you played your small part just like your crappy minor team did yesterday. ;D
ahh its stewie "cant make his mind up" ....he loves Tyrone, he hates Tyrone, he loves Tyrone he hates Tyrone....and on, and on. You really are a nutjob.
And its a pity you have to insult young lads like that calling them "crappy" . Your a classy fella alright.
I have never liked tyrone, never, I can however appreciate them for winning three All Irelands and the fact that they lit Croker up like a Christmas tree when they on song, that does not mean I liked it. Sometimes you have to give credit where it is due but for a fella like yerself michael credit begings and ends inside Kerry's borders.
As for my comment about your minors being crappy, that was wrong, I didnt mean it and I was just digging at you. I never claimed to have class and I know that you have none you nordie hating tube.
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 08:15:10 PM
I don't know if you want that to be the case but no.
Only Boylan challenges Mickey for the best manager that I have seen. There was some discussion about this last year, and I remember expressing amazement that so many in Tyrone could call for his head, right up to the Dublin game.
Fast forward to October last year - I met a fella I know who is a Club official up in West Tyrone. Congratulated him on the double and stated that Mickey Harte is an all time great! His response, and I kid you not,
'I don't know - he's a lucky manager!' :o
If you don't want him, we'll take him.
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 08:15:10 PM
Anyone who thinks Mickey's tenure should be called in to question on the basis of one poor performance needs to be assessed by the head doctor.
Agreed - although I wasn't asking you whether you might be one of those making these calls, but rather whether you thought others might do so!
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 08:15:10 PM
Away back to Reservoir Dubs with you ye turncoat.
Ah now come on! There's no call for that!
QuoteMy tip Kerry to cause the upset.
This would not be an upset! Cork beating Kerry in the AI would be an upset!
Well, I attended the game with one of those you mentioned - someone who thinks Mickey has been a very fortunate manager. This man is no managerial mug and has won county titles as manager and taken his team to a senior provincial final. His attitude, and those like him as you're right they exist in Tyrone, is simply impossible to understand. 3 Ulsters, 3 All-Irelands, a NFL, countless underage titles - I can only put it down to some kind of ingrained begrudgery. Mickey cannot prove these people wrong any more than he has.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:55:13 PM
QuotePerhaps Spillane's outburst was one of frustration that Kerry will never get a chance to lay the ghost to rest that Tyrone ARE the team of the decade.
Don't mind the poor Kerry crayters-it's the nearest they'll get to gloating after beating Tyrone in the championship!
Up the Rebels!
You had your chance to do back-to-back AI to show us all how supposedly "great" you are and you crumbled as you always do.
Tyrone will never handle the level of expectation and pressure that teams like Kerry, Dublin and Kilkenny have to deal with on a routine basis. You are not worthy champions. That has been proven time and time again.
eh?
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 08:38:04 PM
Well, I attended the game with one of those you mentioned - someone who thinks Mickey has been a very fortunate manager. This man is no managerial mug and has won county titles as manager and taken his team to a senior provincial final. His attitude, and those like him as you're right they exist in Tyrone, is simply impossible to understand. 3 Ulsters, 3 All-Irelands, a NFL, countless underage titles - I can only put it down to some kind of ingrained begrudgery. Mickey cannot prove these people wrong any more than he has.
I wish Mayo had a manager half as fortunate.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 24, 2009, 08:29:14 PM
Agreed - although I wasn't asking you whether you might be one of those making these calls, but rather whether you thought others might do so!
Anyone calling for Harte's managerial head deserves to share a padded-cell with Spillane.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
I'm not sure what team you support yourself Sheey, but in keeping with your logic, i'm fairly confident they're a shower of cnuts
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 24, 2009, 08:06:25 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 23, 2009, 08:42:07 PM
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on August 23, 2009, 06:05:50 PM
no harm the nordies were beat at least there will be a pure irish final now
guys like you make me puke
Seconded, why does someone say this shite every now and again. North Ireland Gaels are more Irish than most and equal with everyone.
Maithú Sligoman
Tyrone need to unearth a free taker who can kick the ball from the ground. So many scoring opportunites have been squandered this year, it's depressing me. I thought SON should've taken the 45 in the first half instead of McMahon as well. Dead ball kicking needs to be addressed that's for sure.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on August 24, 2009, 08:53:55 PM
Tyrone need to unearth a free taker who can kick the ball from the ground. So many scoring opportunites have been squandered this year, it's depressing me. I thought SON should've taken the 45 in the first half instead of McMahon as well. Dead ball kicking needs to be addressed that's for sure.
That was a rare effort. He took about 3-4 steps. It was as if Tyrone accepted there's no one to hit 45s on the team.
As the dust settles...a few things on the game yesterday:
- well done Cork. You were brilliant
- The referee should not be allowed to officiate ANY Senior game again.
- the Umpires role needs to be questioned...they were poor
- Tyrone looked tired and maybe the writing was on the wall in the first half of the Kildare game
- Dooher looked as if he had over trained and was exhausted at the end of the first half - this has NEVER happened him before
- Tyrone had a bad day at the office and Cork had a FANTASTIC day...
- some of the Tyrone players have given 10 years service - and more - to the team...I'll let them decide if and when they want to hang up their boots
- Mickey Harte - still the best manager in Ireland over the last 10 years.
Keep her lit Tyrone
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 24, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
I'm not sure what team you support yourself Sheey, but in keeping with your logic, i'm fairly confident they're a shower of cnuts
:D :D :D
Maybe i missed it but no sign of the tyrone lover mike today.
He was good value yesterday
First off and it pains me to congratulate any win by the Langers, but well done on yesterday.
I had a feeling all year that they were coming good and backed it up with a wee wager on Saturday, the core of that team have been about for a number of years and we have seen at first hand their potential, though people constantly rubbish the standard of Munster football, Cork have always been a formidable opponent for us, we have been lucky that things have gone our way in recent Croke Park meetings but they are a driven team this year, The Ball Grabber has instilled a confidence and hunger in them that has been lacking in recent Cork teams, he has gotten rid of a core of Nemo players which was no harm as I felt they were ruining the Cork teams during Morgan and Tompkins debacles, and they will be hard beat in the final by either ourselves or Meath but that is for next weekend.
Canty and Co are in prime position to bring Sam home for the first time since 1990, hard to believe they have not won a title since given the amount of good footballers they have produced over the years and they will be favorites to win their 7th senior title on Sept 20th.
Tough luck to Tyrone they were not allowed to produce their best on the day but don't write them off just yet, they will be back. Good teams always come back. So unusual to see Tyrone so comprehensively beaten in so many positions but thats sport, you have to produce a good performance every time you take to the field with the resources you have, sometimes you are the better team and you win, and just sometimes you have a bad day and the other team produces a good one and you lose out, as we well know in Kerry over the years.
Tyrone are not as bad as yesterday and I think Cork are not as good either but we will see in a few weeks, they have now produced 2 barn storming displays in Croke Park this year and will be hard bet. Well done again.
QuoteThe Ball Grabber
It's funny, the guy has won AI medals and most of the honours in the game, but everytime I see him, I remember that incident first.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 24, 2009, 08:29:14 PM
Agreed - although I wasn't asking you whether you might be one of those making these calls, but rather whether you thought others might do so!
Anyone calling for Harte's managerial head deserves to share a padded-cell with Spillane.
Not your day yeaterday Fear . I assume that Mickey Harte will not make any rash decissions . Sean Cavanagh was a huge loss to Tyrone still Cork were well up for it and really look the real deal now .
Quote from: mckieran on August 24, 2009, 07:21:43 PM
QuoteTyrone got 3 scores from free's that weren't as it is.
There was one when Dooher went to ground. But I cant remember any other instance.
I was shocked at how many times the ref let players got away dragging their opponents around the neck (Is this tackling?!). We really needed to bring in the experimental rules from the league.
Mulligan's dive after 20 minutes
The fee that led to Jordan's point, should have been a free out to Cork
QuoteThat was a rare effort. He took about 3-4 steps. It was as if Tyrone accepted there's no one to hit 45s on the team.
I dont think he was going for it, certainly his demeanour suggested that he was just lobbing it in.
Quote- The referee should not be allowed to officiate ANY Senior game again.
- the Umpires role needs to be questioned...they were poor
I think Bannon is usually quite good though. Should an inter county player stop playing after 1 bad game?
What did the umpires do wrong?
Quote from: Brendans abu on August 24, 2009, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: mckieran on August 24, 2009, 07:21:43 PM
QuoteTyrone got 3 scores from free's that weren't as it is.
There was one when Dooher went to ground. But I cant remember any other instance.
I was shocked at how many times the ref let players got away dragging their opponents around the neck (Is this tackling?!). We really needed to bring in the experimental rules from the league.
Mulligan's dive after 20 minutes
The fee that led to Jordan's point, should have been a free out to Cork
I also felt the point that Davy Harte got at the death, after the initial free was blocked, was a harsh call.
As for Tyrone free taking, would SON not have been a better option than Mulligan, even for right footed kicks? And on the subject of '50s', is my mind playing tricks with me, or didn't one of the McMahons knock over a couple of '50s' last year?
Quote from: mckieran on August 24, 2009, 10:03:25 PM
QuoteThat was a rare effort. He took about 3-4 steps. It was as if Tyrone accepted there's no one to hit 45s on the team.
I dont think he was going for it, certainly his demeanour suggested that he was just lobbing it in.
Quote- The referee should not be allowed to officiate ANY Senior game again.
- the Umpires role needs to be questioned...they were poor
I think Bannon is usually quite good though. Should an inter county player stop playing after 1 bad game?
What did the umpires do wrong?
Bannon is and always will be a terrible referee.
As for your question on an inter county player, if he stinks the place up nearly every time he goes out there then yes he should, either that or his manager would retire him.
Bannon is as bad as John Gough ever was and that takes some doing.
I dont agree about Bannon. I have seen him have many good games.
Quote from: mckieran on August 24, 2009, 10:03:25 PM
QuoteThat was a rare effort. He took about 3-4 steps. It was as if Tyrone accepted there's no one to hit 45s on the team.
I dont think he was going for it, certainly his demeanour suggested that he was just lobbing it in.
Quote- The referee should not be allowed to officiate ANY Senior game again.
- the Umpires role needs to be questioned...they were poor
I think Bannon is usually quite good though. Should an inter county player stop playing after 1 bad game?
What did the umpires do wrong?
You're right, Bannon should continue playing.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 24, 2009, 10:09:02 PM
Quote from: Brendans abu on August 24, 2009, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: mckieran on August 24, 2009, 07:21:43 PM
QuoteTyrone got 3 scores from free's that weren't as it is.
There was one when Dooher went to ground. But I cant remember any other instance.
I was shocked at how many times the ref let players got away dragging their opponents around the neck (Is this tackling?!). We really needed to bring in the experimental rules from the league.
Mulligan's dive after 20 minutes
The fee that led to Jordan's point, should have been a free out to Cork
I also felt the point that Davy Harte got at the death, after the initial free was blocked, was a harsh call.
As for Tyrone free taking, would SON not have been a better option than Mulligan, even for right footed kicks? And on the subject of '50s', is my mind playing tricks with me, or didn't one of the McMahons knock over a couple of '50s' last year?
joe kicked one against armagh this year, but the only player on the tyrone squad capable of consistantly landing them is sean o'neill
Quote from: mckieran on August 24, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
I dont agree about Bannon. I have seen him have many good games.
You are some boy, he is terrible I tell you.
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 24, 2009, 08:29:14 PM
Agreed - although I wasn't asking you whether you might be one of those making these calls, but rather whether you thought others might do so!
Anyone calling for Harte's managerial head deserves to share a padded-cell with Spillane.
Not your day yeaterday Fear . I assume that Mickey Harte will not make any rash decissions . Sean Cavanagh was a huge loss to Tyrone still Cork were well up for it and really look the real deal now .
That's the way it goes John, though to have won 3 Sams in 6 years is something that very few of us could have even hallucinated about 10 years ago, so we have little room to be moaning or ungrateful.
I think we gifted about 4 easy points to Cork yesterday whilst moving the ball out of defence, something unheard of when in our pomp, but that was reflective both of Cork's 'intensity' and our own laxity.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 24, 2009, 08:29:14 PM
Agreed - although I wasn't asking you whether you might be one of those making these calls, but rather whether you thought others might do so!
Anyone calling for Harte's managerial head deserves to share a padded-cell with Spillane.
Not your day yeaterday Fear . I assume that Mickey Harte will not make any rash decissions . Sean Cavanagh was a huge loss to Tyrone still Cork were well up for it and really look the real deal now .
That's the way it goes John, though to have won 3 Sams in 6 years is something that very few of us could have even hallucinated about 10 years ago, so we have little room to be moaning or ungrateful.
I think we gifted about 4 easy points to Cork yesterday whilst moving the ball out of defence, something unheard of when in our pomp, but that was reflective both of Cork's 'intensity' and our own laxity.
Yes that was a factor ,The referee ruined the contest with the rash sending off and the inconsistencies in his decission making .
QuoteIt's funny, the guy has won AI medals and most of the honours in the game, but everytime I see him, I remember that incident first.
Unforgivable act and never forgotten even after all these years in Kerry either, nearest thing I saw a full blown riot that day in the stands and on the field that I have seen at a GAA match, I still have vivid memories of the Bomber charging out from his full forward spot and tearing into Counihan.
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 24, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
Could the answer be for Mickey Harte to take over the u21 squad for the next year? Given the short season for u21 championship it would be hard work but the possible answer for Tyrone.
Interesting suggestion there TYP, it will take something as radical as that I'd say.
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 10:33:20 PM
Yes that was a factor ,The referee ruined the contest with the rash sending off and the inconsistencies in his decission making .
Yeah, not an easy job, but no excuse for the substandard.
I'm too sick to trawl this thread, so congratulations to Cork - a powerful performance. Good luck in the final.
As for Tyrone, it just didn't happen on the day. That's life and but there's plenty of big days still to play for in that panel.
On a sidenote, I heard today that was to be Bannon's last 'big' game, I would just like to say good riddance you hateful white haired hoor.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 24, 2009, 10:49:10 PM
On a sidenote, I heard today that was to be Bannon's last 'big' game, I would just like to say good riddance you hateful white haired hoor.
Don't bottle it up there T86, just let it all go :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 10:37:17 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 10:33:20 PM
Yes that was a factor ,The referee ruined the contest with the rash sending off and the inconsistencies in his decission making .
Yeah, not an easy job, but no excuse for the substandard.
His inconsistencies were the only thing he was consistant in.
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 24, 2009, 10:49:10 PM
I'm too sick to trawl this thread, so congratulations to Cork - a powerful performance. Good luck in the final.
As for Tyrone, it just didn't happen on the day. That's life and but there's plenty of big days still to play for in that panel.
On a sidenote, I heard today that was to be Bannon's last 'big' game, I would just like to say good riddance you hateful white haired hoor.
:D :D :D
Why any Tyrone man would not want Harte as their manager defies explanation, what does he have to do to get everyone in the county to buy into him?
Harte got abused on the line yesterday by his opposite number, it happens to the best of them and for once he got it wrong tactically, that hardly means he should quit or go manage the upcoming talent at the U21 level. ::) ::) ::)
I hope he does go, good luck if he goes boys, ye will need it.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 24, 2009, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 10:37:17 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 10:33:20 PM
Yes that was a factor ,The referee ruined the contest with the rash sending off and the inconsistencies in his decission making .
Yeah, not an easy job, but no excuse for the substandard.
His inconsistencies were the only thing he was consistant in.
Pressure must be kept on refs to help ensure that this can be eliminated from the game . If it was just one decission it could be understood . I always find it easier to moniter a refs performance when I am watching as a neutral
Our best player takes ill. Mistimed passes. Lethargic performances. Dooher falls over. McMahon couldn't kick. Mugsy's free. O'Neill's shirt falls off. Hughes scores......there's only one conclusion....TYRONE WERE DRUGGED!!!!
Quote from: stew on August 24, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 24, 2009, 10:49:10 PM
I'm too sick to trawl this thread, so congratulations to Cork - a powerful performance. Good luck in the final.
As for Tyrone, it just didn't happen on the day. That's life and but there's plenty of big days still to play for in that panel.
On a sidenote, I heard today that was to be Bannon's last 'big' game, I would just like to say good riddance you hateful white haired hoor.
:D :D :D
Why any Tyrone man would not want Harte as their manager defies explanation, what does he have to do to get everyone in the county to buy into him?
Harte got abused on the line yesterday by his opposite number, it happens to the best of them and for once he got it wrong tactically, that hardly means he should quit or go manage the upcoming talent at the U21 level. ::) ::) ::)
I hope he does go, good luck if he goes boys, ye will need it.
How?
Quote from: stew on August 24, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on August 24, 2009, 10:49:10 PM
I'm too sick to trawl this thread, so congratulations to Cork - a powerful performance. Good luck in the final.
As for Tyrone, it just didn't happen on the day. That's life and but there's plenty of big days still to play for in that panel.
On a sidenote, I heard today that was to be Bannon's last 'big' game, I would just like to say good riddance you hateful white haired hoor.
:D :D :D
Why any Tyrone man would not want Harte as their manager defies explanation, what does he have to do to get everyone in the county to buy into him?
Harte got abused on the line yesterday by his opposite number, it happens to the best of them and for once he got it wrong tactically, that hardly means he should quit or go manage the upcoming talent at the U21 level. ::) ::) ::)
I hope he does go, good luck if he goes boys, ye will need it.
whats that about stew? doubt that very much, conor counihan is as mild mannered a person you'll meet
It's one of Stew's Americanisms. It means he pissed all over Harte tactically.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 24, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
QuoteThe Ball Grabber
It's funny, the guy has won AI medals and most of the honours in the game, but everytime I see him, I remember that incident first.
i get same when I see Aidan O'Mahoney and can only think of his 'sore face' routine...
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 11:12:48 PM
Our best player takes ill. Mistimed passes. Lethargic performances. Dooher falls over. McMahon couldn't kick. Mugsy's free. O'Neill's shirt falls off. Hughes scores......there's only one conclusion....TYRONE WERE DRUGGED!!!!
The torn shirt said it all .Top forward tears shirt ? was it because of quality of ball been sent into him . You can wire up refs but feck me did Bannon not think to ask his umpires ? Maybe he did think to ask one of his umpires ?. I know some posters will not have much sympathy for Tyrone but some effort must be made by officials to keep control of games
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 11:12:48 PM
Our best player takes ill. Mistimed passes. Lethargic performances. Dooher falls over. McMahon couldn't kick. Mugsy's free. O'Neill's shirt falls off. Hughes scores......there's only one conclusion....TYRONE WERE DRUGGED!!!!
Seanie Mc Laughlin's managing a club in Cork ('95 point scorer), had he any input with the County preparations? ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 11:33:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 11:12:48 PM
Our best player takes ill. Mistimed passes. Lethargic performances. Dooher falls over. McMahon couldn't kick. Mugsy's free. O'Neill's shirt falls off. Hughes scores......there's only one conclusion....TYRONE WERE DRUGGED!!!!
Seanie Mc Laughlin's managing a club in Cork ('95 point scorer), had he any input with the County preparations? ;)
I doubt if they would listen as the Club in the Cork Gaelatach would not be very fashionable (Noel O Learys club) but very ambitous . But maybe things have changed under Conor Counihan
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 11:42:32 PM
I doubt if they would listen as the Club in the Cork Gaelatach would not be very fashionable (Noel O Learys club) but very ambitous . But maybe things have changed under Conor Counihan
Was thinking more about his input to the Tyrone team's dietary regime John, maybe the Rebels had managed to turn him ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 11:33:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 11:12:48 PM
Our best player takes ill. Mistimed passes. Lethargic performances. Dooher falls over. McMahon couldn't kick. Mugsy's free. O'Neill's shirt falls off. Hughes scores......there's only one conclusion....TYRONE WERE DRUGGED!!!!
Seanie Mc Laughlin's managing a club in Cork ('95 point scorer), had he any input with the County preparations? ;)
i can hardly see a good drumquin man helping them out
Quote from: gerry on August 24, 2009, 11:50:35 PM
i can hardly see a good drumquin man helping them out
Nor I. I believe he went to the game with Noel O'Leary's brother, he could have suffered some grievous ear damage on the return journey.
Quotei get same when I see Aidan O'Mahoney and can only think of his 'sore face' routine..
Or maybe Paul Galvin's face after the other Ball Grabbers actions.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: gerry on August 24, 2009, 11:50:35 PM
i can hardly see a good drumquin man helping them out
Nor I. I believe he went to the game with Noel O'Leary's brother, he could have suffered some grievous ear damage on the return journey.
They are a small club in the intermediate final ,they have had managers from across the County bounds as well .Was Sean a dietitian of sorts ?
No Mike-When I see Galvan I think of Conor Gormley standing over him as he lies on the floor at final whsitle in 2008 final
Very classy fellow that Gormley.
I think Paul brings out the worst in people :o
I think McMenimen and Gormley have shown they are well able to bring out the worst in themselves without any help.
It will remain one of my memories of 2009, the footballing lesson we gave ye up in Omagh in the first half of the league game and then Ricey boiling over (pardon the pun) and making a complete fool of himself for most of that game. We had ye risen that day alright.
But anyway 'tis history and its no time for pissing on parades ye have other issues to sort out....
Mickey Harte will be plotting for 2010 already. It's a sign of how successful he has been with this team that some people interpret a defeat in the AI semi final, after strolling through Ulster as failure. Strange isn't it ?.
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2009, 12:11:19 AM
Mickey Harte will be plotting for 2010 already. It's a sign of how successful he has been with this team that some people interpret a defeat in the AI semi final, after strolling through Ulster as failure. Strange isn't it ?.
Every team has their level. Tyrone's has been contending for All-Irelands. Nothing strange about it.
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2009, 12:11:19 AM
Mickey Harte will be plotting for 2010 already. It's a sign of how successful he has been with this team that some people interpret a defeat in the AI semi final, after strolling through Ulster as failure. Strange isn't it ?.
I am sure he is , You are right the bar has risen it is very easy to live on past Glories as we in Kerry did for a decade or so . I am surprised Colm Cavangh and McCullagh have not staked a starting place . Cassidy looked very good in the league in Omagh which was a strange game .
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 25, 2009, 12:10:51 AM
I think McMenimen and Gormley have shown they are well able to bring out the worst in themselves without any help.
It will remain one of my memories of 2009, the footballing lesson we gave ye up in Omagh in the first half of the league game and then Ricey boiling over (pardon the pun) and making a complete fool of himself for most of that game. We had ye risen that day alright.
But anyway 'tis history and its no time for pissing on parades ye have other issues to sort out....
We all blindly support our players as youse do with Galvan. I remember the cheer he got when he came on in All Ireland final last year and I thought,'is this their role model? ??? We know what Mcmenamin is, but when he pulls on Tyrone jersey, we'll back him. In club football here wouldn't be most popular.
Yerra we all have our angels and demons , sure it what makes us what we are in the GAA.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 25, 2009, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 25, 2009, 12:10:51 AM
I think McMenimen and Gormley have shown they are well able to bring out the worst in themselves without any help.
It will remain one of my memories of 2009, the footballing lesson we gave ye up in Omagh in the first half of the league game and then Ricey boiling over (pardon the pun) and making a complete fool of himself for most of that game. We had ye risen that day alright.
But anyway 'tis history and its no time for pissing on parades ye have other issues to sort out....
We all blindly support our players as youse do with Galvan. I remember the cheer he got when he came on in All Ireland final last year and I thought,'is this their role model? ??? We know what Mcmenamin is, but when he pulls on Tyrone jersey, we'll back him. In club football here wouldn't be most popular.
It is very easy to have a "pantomime baddy " to roar abuse at on the opposition team . I remember having a chat with an inter county player who told me that the usual suspects are usually no problem but some of the other lads who the media don't focus on are much worse once they cross the white line . Trash talking is a big part of the inter county game (no the player is not from Kerry and he was not talking about Tyrone) . The point the player was making was that stuff happens in games and you cannot react as after all the training and effort you put in getting sent off is a big no no
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2009, 12:11:19 AM
Mickey Harte will be plotting for 2010 already. It's a sign of how successful he has been with this team that some people interpret a defeat in the AI semi final, after strolling through Ulster as failure. Strange isn't it ?.
I'm sure Mickey is, and there are a lot of reasons for Tyrone to feel confident heading into the future.
Though a word of warning from experience, the fall from the top, when it does inevitably happen, will come a lot faster than you ever imagine.
When you get to my age you learn to savour every minute of success and not take it for granted. Of course it will pass but it has been unreal the last few years for Tyrone supporters.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 25, 2009, 12:35:15 AM
When you get to my age you learn to savour every minute of success and not take it for granted. Of course it will pass but it has been unreal the last few years for Tyrone supporters.
It has indeed been a great few years no doubt ye will be back . Mr Harte has made some contribution .
Quote from: AFS on August 25, 2009, 12:26:29 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2009, 12:11:19 AM
Mickey Harte will be plotting for 2010 already. It's a sign of how successful he has been with this team that some people interpret a defeat in the AI semi final, after strolling through Ulster as failure. Strange isn't it ?.
I'm sure Mickey is, and there are a lot of reasons for Tyrone to feel confident heading into the future.
Though a word of warning from experience, the fall from the top, when it does inevitably happen, will come a lot faster than you ever imagine.
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True but hopefully Tyrone can gradually replace those who are coming to an end with new talent who can maintain their present position.
don't start the ricey bashing again, when the cork player came on as a sub ricey shaked his hand. nice to see compared to the normal shouldering you see
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2009, 12:42:48 AM
Quote from: AFS on August 25, 2009, 12:26:29 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2009, 12:11:19 AM
Mickey Harte will be plotting for 2010 already. It's a sign of how successful he has been with this team that some people interpret a defeat in the AI semi final, after strolling through Ulster as failure. Strange isn't it ?.
I'm sure Mickey is, and there are a lot of reasons for Tyrone to feel confident heading into the future.
Though a word of warning from experience, the fall from the top, when it does inevitably happen, will come a lot faster than you ever imagine.
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True but hopefully Tyrone can gradually replace those who are coming to an end with new talent who can maintain their present position.
That was our plan too, and look at the mess we are now. Saying that, I expect Tyrone to make a better fist of the whole transition thing.
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 11:59:01 PM
They are a small club in the intermediate final ,they have had managers from across the County bounds as well .Was Sean a dietitian of sorts ?
Don't know about that at all John, and wouldn't want to be starting a vicious rumour! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 25, 2009, 12:51:14 AM
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 11:59:01 PM
They are a small club in the intermediate final ,they have had managers from across the County bounds as well .Was Sean a dietitian of sorts ?
Don't know about that at all John, and wouldn't want to be starting a vicious rumour! ;)
OK Fear fair enough but Cork has more footballers than Kerry and Tyrone put together so we wouldnt want them getting too good .Christy Ring wanted to invoke the butchers knife trick when he was in his pomp which influenced the CCB for a along number of years
As a Tyrone fan I am gutted today but you cant really get too upset when you are simply beaten by the better team on the day! I wouldnt be so quick to write off this Tyrone team just yet - with 10mins to go yesterday, mugsy misses a free to bring the game within 3 points and its game on - but it wasnt to be and Cork kicked the next two points to close out the game! This Tyrone team still isnt too far away - and although it was a bad day at the office for mickey he is still the best manager in the country and will have an new and improved Tyrone team come champioship time next year. How many other counties have the luxury of having players like Kyle Coney (if he's still around), Peter Harte and Niall McKenna waiting in the wings as the next generation to add to the class that is already there! Disappointed today - but the future is definately not all doom and gloom!!
Quote from: mckieran on August 24, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
I dont agree about Bannon. I have seen him have many good games.
I haven't.......plus he has the misfortune to be a Father Ted lookalike.
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 24, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
Joe Brolly was the pundit who came up with the answer yesterday - Cork exposed each of those Tyrone weaknesses that most people knew where present but no one else had managed to attack in one game.
Tyrone is now at the crossroads where Armagh found themselves in 2006. Sentiment and loyalty can mask an underlining problem which will eventually lead to the end of Tyrone dominance. Despite the fact that underage sides and colleges have succeeded in Tyrone, the gap to senior level is not being bridged to allow a flow of talent into the senior squad. The failure lies at u21 level where Tyrone has not managed to make a mark for several years. Progression of young players has been stymied by the lack of a successful u21 squad. Red Shaun O'Neill is one of the few of his age group to have moved across with signs of being able to be a regular senior. He is not the only one capable of this transition but his peers are left behind without further inter county experience.
The senior squad is built on the successful underage sides that Mickey Harte developed over several years and carried with him into senior level. However, many of these players are now marginalised and are no longer playing a part on the team yet are part of a 35 man senior squad.
Future success for Tyrone lies with a turnover of players in the next three years as Mickey Harte's underage squad ages with the danger of so many finishing at the same time just like the Armagh minors of 1992.
Will Mickey concentrate on development of Tyrone football by clearing out those who have contributed to Tyrone success but are no longer in real contention for places and pull in new talent from underage squads or try to squeeze another AI or the elusive two in a row from the current setup?
Could the answer be for Mickey Harte to take over the u21 squad for the next year? Given the short season for u21 championship it would be hard work but the possible answer for Tyrone.
Very true....but I think we will have success at U21 level again within the next 2 to 3 years.
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2009, 11:16:16 PM
It's one of Stew's Americanisms. It means he pissed all over Harte tactically.
you are too good Shane. That was one of the few times i ever saw harte get bate from the line.
Quote from: johnpower on August 25, 2009, 12:41:01 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 25, 2009, 12:35:15 AM
When you get to my age you learn to savour every minute of success and not take it for granted. Of course it will pass but it has been unreal the last few years for Tyrone supporters.
It has indeed been a great few years no doubt ye will be back . Mr Harte has made some contribution .
Just as questions are asked of players, the managers come in for scrutiny as well, and they should. harte will no doubt review the game, beat himself up over mistakes made and when that is done he will try and make sure that he never has as bad a day again in a big game situation. it has happened to the best of them and I am sure he will bounce back I hope I am wrong.
As for Dooher, it never ceases to amaze me how after a poor performance a great player automatically gets put to pasture if he has many miles on the clock. Dooher might well be back and who is to say he will not be back to his brilliant best on the big stage next year?
Cork are some side and will take some stopping, i have watched every game they have played this year and they have a belief now that they have beaten kerry and Tyrone comprehensively and they will feel it is their time.
meath are cute hoors, no pressure on them at all at all, they are flying under the radar screen and will be chomping at the bit to [rove the doubters wrong. This one has classic written all over it. Drama to the end.
Prediction. kerry 1-13 Meath 2-12
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 24, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
I'm not sure what team you support yourself Sheey, but in keeping with your logic, i'm fairly confident they're a shower of cnuts
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2009, 04:53:53 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 24, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
I'm not sure what team you support yourself Sheey, but in keeping with your logic, i'm fairly confident they're a shower of cnuts
Shut up you british cnut
oh right - you're from Kerry then??
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2009, 04:53:53 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 24, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
I'm not sure what team you support yourself Sheey, but in keeping with your logic, i'm fairly confident they're a shower of cnuts
Shut up you british cnut
A Bit Harsh
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 24, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
Could the answer be for Mickey Harte to take over the u21 squad for the next year? Given the short season for u21 championship it would be hard work but the possible answer for Tyrone.
No chance of this happening. U21 management has been reappointed for next year. Harte will be planning for next year already, thats the nature of the man - he alluded to planning for next year in an interview on RTE radio 1 in the aftermath of Sundays game. Some will point to staleness, a need to clear the panel out and perhaps even question if Harte should stay on but the fact is he is the best man for the job and it will be at his discretion when he wants to call it a day.
Quote from: Onion Bag on August 25, 2009, 08:21:55 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2009, 04:53:53 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 24, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
I'm not sure what team you support yourself Sheey, but in keeping with your logic, i'm fairly confident they're a shower of cnuts
Shut up you british cnut
This shows the level of intelligence that this idiot poster possess!! The next time Kerry play Armagh in the championship - i'd love to see if the little keyboard coward has the balls to go up an Armagh man and call him a "British Cnut"! I would suspect the courage he often has behind the safety of a computer screen may quickly desert him! The real Mikey Sheehy who was one of the greatest ever footballers and a true gentleman would be ashamed that this clown is a kerryman!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 06:40:24 PM
What's with Spillane? A few weeks ago he couldn't speak highly enough of Mickey Harte and Tyrone, though in private in Louth, but once again goes and makes a complete ass of himself in public. He may be correct to a degree of course, Kerry have won the All-Ireland more than anyone else this decade, and what's more they put two titles back-to-back, something that we've found well-nigh impossible to do, despite having taken the less tortuous path via the Ulster Championship (the fact that we have to contend with Ulster and Kerry have to contend 'only' with Munster may be a factor, but that's another discussion). A couple of words on the ref: bloody awful
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to agree with Spillane here.
But as Hardy would say, Ahem!
Tyrone didn't contend 'only' with a Munster team convincingly on Sunday.
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 25, 2009, 09:40:25 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 24, 2009, 06:40:24 PM
What's with Spillane? A few weeks ago he couldn't speak highly enough of Mickey Harte and Tyrone, though in private in Louth, but once again goes and makes a complete ass of himself in public. He may be correct to a degree of course, Kerry have won the All-Ireland more than anyone else this decade, and what's more they put two titles back-to-back, something that we've found well-nigh impossible to do, despite having taken the less tortuous path via the Ulster Championship (the fact that we have to contend with Ulster and Kerry have to contend 'only' with Munster may be a factor, but that's another discussion). A couple of words on the ref: bloody awful
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to agree with Spillane here.
But as Hardy would say, Ahem!
Tyrone didn't contend 'only' with a Munster team convincingly on Sunday.
I think, ahem! Timmy you have unfinished business before slaging Tyrone. We have dealt with Kerry in All Ireland finals. That All Ireland final debacle in 2007 was, ahem! torturous. Hope youse get it rite this time
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2009, 10:35:05 PM
QuoteIt's funny, the guy has won AI medals and most of the honours in the game, but everytime I see him, I remember that incident first.
Unforgivable act and never forgotten even after all these years in Kerry either, nearest thing I saw a full blown riot that day in the stands and on the field that I have seen at a GAA match, I still have vivid memories of the Bomber charging out from his full forward spot and tearing into Counihan.
I read a good quote from the late Enda Colleran (RIP) in the Tribune on Sunday. When that game was on the Sunday game, he said Counihan's action 'should only take place over a candlelit dinner, and only by agreement'.
I thought it was very good :)
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 25, 2009, 09:40:25 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to agree with Spillane here.
But as Hardy would say, Ahem!
Tyrone didn't contend 'only' with a Munster team convincingly on Sunday.
I'm not talking about this year specifically Timmy, my point is more than in any given year it's likely that the Ulster Champs will have had a number of tough games to emerge (either through the front door or the back), but where the Munster Champs may have had one (usually yourselves against Kerry, an no disrepect to Limerick, Tipp, Waterford or Clare), and that the Munster Council actually operated a seeding system at one point so that you could only meet Kerry in the Provincial Final made something of a mockery of the Munster as a Championship.
Obviously we had an easy enough run of it in Ulster this year, whilst yourselves had a couple of tough games. I'm talking more about the general case, and whether there's merit in what I'm saying or not (I'm not convinced myself) the only way that it'll ever be proved one way or the other is when each team plays an identical number of games to reach the same stage of the competition. Like I say, that's another discussion.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2009, 09:50:33 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2009, 10:35:05 PM
QuoteIt's funny, the guy has won AI medals and most of the honours in the game, but everytime I see him, I remember that incident first.
Unforgivable act and never forgotten even after all these years in Kerry either, nearest thing I saw a full blown riot that day in the stands and on the field that I have seen at a GAA match, I still have vivid memories of the Bomber charging out from his full forward spot and tearing into Counihan.
I read a good quote from the late Enda Colleran (RIP) in the Tribune on Sunday. When that game was on the Sunday game, he said Counihan's action 'should only take place over a candlelit dinner, and only by agreement'.
I thought it was very good :)
I remember it well for two reasons: (a) I couldn't believe it was happening, and (b) my Da (a silent man mostly) getting outraged and roaring at the telly encouraging Bomber to killl him. :D
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2009, 04:53:53 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 24, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
QuoteYou havent a clue sheehy, your level of hatred for tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh is incredible, you were slabberin a while ago about the pony being disrespected and that the minors would keep that in mind? what the feck was that all about? it didnt do them much good though did it.
Tyrone are worthy champions, they owned kerry for years and you havent the class to admit that. Tyrone are a tremendous team, were a tremendous time any way you cut it and you have been the most negative gobshite on this board on the run up to this game.
I hope Meath bate youse, failing that Cork will hammer ye by 8 or 9 points and i think that would be even funnier. I would have been aneutral in the AI but if you somehow make it I will be hoping that Cork bate ye up and down the field.
be quiet you nutter. You're always liable to go off on your little rants. You, with your head stuck up Tyrones arses. I suppose you have no choice given the epic failure of your own county..what is it again 1 AI out of 7 Ulsters ? pathetic
I'm not sure what team you support yourself Sheey, but in keeping with your logic, i'm fairly confident they're a shower of cnuts
Shut up you british cnut
I know i shouldn't rise to this idiot, but what a tr**p.
Gutted about sunday, just reminded me of the '03 semi-final, with tyrone playing the role of kerry. This group can hold their heads high, 3 sams is dreamland when we think of all the disappointments over the years, and i think that reports of our demise are greatly exagerated. So many players had an off day, and although a lot of this was down to cork and their hunger, workrate and accuracy, many just weren't at the races. No better man than Mickey to put the finger on why.
looking forward to McKenna cup and league, and hopefully the blooding of some of the younger lads.
All the best to Cork in the final
Tyrone just were not at the races , and were shown up by the better team. This Tyrone team owe us nothing ,and I would be of the firm belief that most of them will be back with a vengance next year. Best of luck to Cork,had great craic with a lot of the crowd on Sunday.
Tony, tony, tony im sure philly jordan and his da can compare notes on cork bathed in the glow of the 3 senior county all ireland medals on the mantlepiece. Just like geezer, mcgrane, marsden...oops
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 25, 2009, 09:51:32 AM
I'm not talking about this year specifically Timmy, my point is more than in any given year it's likely that the Ulster Champs will have had a number of tough games to emerge (either through the front door or the back), but where the Munster Champs may have had one (usually yourselves against Kerry, an no disrepect to Limerick, Tipp, Waterford or Clare), and that the Munster Council actually operated a seeding system at one point so that you could only meet Kerry in the Provincial Final made something of a mockery of the Munster as a Championship.
Obviously we had an easy enough run of it in Ulster this year, whilst yourselves had a couple of tough games. I'm talking more about the general case, and whether there's merit in what I'm saying or not (I'm not convinced myself) the only way that it'll ever be proved one way or the other is when each team plays an identical number of games to reach the same stage of the competition. Like I say, that's another discussion.
There's a bit of a duopoly in Munster and nearly always has been.
However how many teams from Ulster have won the Ulster championship this decade?
Taking out the top 2, are Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Derry, Antrim stronger than Limerick, Clare, Tipperary, Waterford.
In the past there you would have had to say Absolutely. In the 90s Donegal, Down and Derry
both won Ulster championships and an all-ireland each.
This decade you would have to say yes but I don't think it's so clear cut.
Monaghan may have given Kerry a scare or 2. Derry seemed to be on the brink of a breathrough once or twice. But what have the second tier in Ulster actually won.
In Munster Tipperary had the beating of Cork in a Munster final and threw it away. Similarly limerick have hammered Cork and should have beaten them this year and last. They have also run Kerry close in the near past. So the Ulster second team is stronger but if they are of a similar level to munster and none of them actually make the breakthrough of a provincial championship then is Ulster that much harder?
Looking at the top 2 in each province you would have to say Kerry are top dogs in munster. Most of the team of the decade debate swings around their # of all-irelands versus the number of head to head wins Armagh and Tyrone have against them. But where do Cork fit in? And is getting past Cork in Munster the equivalent of beating one of the top 2 in Ulster.
In the 80s Mick O'Dwyer used to plámas us with the line that the toughest game they got on the way to the all-ireland was against Cork. Pure horse manure but would there be a grain of truth in it if applied to the past few years. We have beaten Kerry as many times, 4, as anyone this decade and they have recently been the only ones to beat us. How would Cork fare against Tyrone and Armagh has been an unanswered question for a while. They have answered that for 2009 on Sunday. Obviously we will never know what would have happened if they had met in previous years. (Although losing to Fermanagh may give an indication :'( )If it's an all munster final this year, it will be the second of the decade. What does that say about the relative strengths of the provinces?
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 25, 2009, 10:28:35 AM
If it's an all munster final this year, it will be the second of the decade. What does that say about the relative strengths of the provinces?
All fair points, but that particular one cuts multiple ways: either Munster is the strongest province, or the Ulster teams are too knackered by the time they get out of the province, or whilst not the best overall province Munster has the best two teams in 2009 (and 2007)...
Such are the anomalies of the current structures that there are (almost) endless conjectures, and therein lies the confusion.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 25, 2009, 09:48:36 AM
I think, ahem! Timmy you have unfinished business before slaging Tyrone. We have dealt with Kerry in All Ireland finals. That All Ireland final debacle in 2007 was, ahem! torturous. Hope youse get it rite this time
Not slagging Tyrone.
I have a huge respect for them.
Beating Kerry in an all-ireland is a major achievement.
Not as important as beating them in munster but an achievement nontheless ;D
Quote from: tyroneman on August 25, 2009, 10:15:47 AM
Tony, tony, tony im sure philly jordan and his da can compare notes on cork bathed in the glow of the 3 senior county all ireland medals on the mantlepiece. Just like geezer, mcgrane, marsden...oops
The number of all ireland medals you have is not a gauge oof your quality as a player
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 25, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 25, 2009, 10:28:35 AM
If it's an all munster final this year, it will be the second of the decade. What does that say about the relative strengths of the provinces?
All fair points, but that particular one cuts multiple ways: either Munster is the strongest province, or the Ulster teams are too knackered by the time they get out of the province, or whilst not the best overall province Munster has the best two teams in 2009 (and 2007)...
Such are the anomalies of the current structures that there are (almost) endless conjectures, and therein lies the confusion.
No confusion really. Currently ulster is very average in terms of standard. Has definitely slipped a bit. The standard overall in the country is very even with the exception of 2 teams. Kerry and Cork are a fair bit ahead of the rest of the country at the minute. next are the likes of tyrone. After that anybody could meath anybody. Meath would have to beat kerry to give themselves a place at the top table.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 25, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 25, 2009, 10:28:35 AM
If it's an all munster final this year, it will be the second of the decade. What does that say about the relative strengths of the provinces?
All fair points, but that particular one cuts multiple ways: either Munster is the strongest province, or the Ulster teams are too knackered by the time they get out of the province, or whilst not the best overall province Munster has the best two teams in 2009 (and 2007)...
Such are the anomalies of the current structures that there are (almost) endless conjectures, and therein lies the confusion.
This is heading back to the "peaking" discussion again.
I don't agree with the bold text above.
Going by this logic if Dublin weren't knackered because of their exertions against Longford they would be looking at 5 in a row now.
I would imagine provincial champions get similar levels of free weeks before their 1/4 finals.
If they get caught here due to staleness, a back door team improving from regular games, peaking too soon, being knackered, picking up injuries etc. then bottom line they weren't good enough.
It's up to management and fitness coaches to get them right despite whatever games they had previously.
The years Tyrone and Armagh won was because they were the best teams that year. Not because they had an easy run through their provinces that particular year.
Unfortunately the same applies to Kerry :(
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 11:05:18 AM
After that anybody could meath anybody.
I didn't realise meathing someone had now entered standard lingo.
Poor old Mayo got a right meathing in the 1/4 final :-)
I'm telling ye boys, Tyrone were drugged. Jordan, McMahon and Cavanagh....who next. Isn't Chambers a Derry company? Them and their complementary croissants on your seat.
Dooher to mull over Tyrone future
Brian Dooher says he won't rush into any decision about his future as a Tyrone player.
The 34-year-old double All-Ireland winning captain completed his 14th season with the Red Hands in Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Cork.
But while there is speculation that he may retire, Dooher says he will take time to decide whether he will commit to the cause once again in 2010.
"I'll not worry about that yet. That's well down the line," he said.
Dooher believes the Rebels can move on and win the title.
He added that their 1-13 to 0-11 win over the reigning champions will give them the confidence to mount a massive challenge in next month's final against either Kerry or Meath.
"They are in an All-Ireland final now, and it will take a good team to beat them.
"It will take a big performance to beat them if they play that way again."
The Tyrone skipper conceded that the All-Ireland champions were never able to compete with a fired-up and fiercely committed Cork side at Croke Park.
"Cork were the better team, it's as simple as that, we have no qualms about it.
"We were on the back foot the whole way through. We couldn't live with them."
And while Cork's physical presence gave them a distinct advantage, Dooher believes the Rebels had the upper hand in every aspect of the game.
"They were a big physical side, but they played better football than us.
"It was nothing to do with their size, they were the better team every way.
"They were bigger than us, and that didn't help, but they won every battle all through the field.
"We were chasing the game the whole way through.
"They were on our coat tails the whole time and we could never get a chance to get going ourselves."
Quote from: timmykelleher on August 25, 2009, 11:06:12 AM
This is heading back to the "peaking" discussion again.
Yep, into that mire again. I'm not surprised you don't agree, and I'm not of that particular belief myself.
Apparently our lads were drugged; the confusion lifts :D
You might have something in the 'drugged' bit. It looked like it and Mickey says there was more than Cavanagh laid low - Big Joe and Philly Jordan and Colm Cav were all under the weather. He also wants Dooher to stay on - fair play to Gaelic Life for putting up video interview with Mickey yesterday - http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/gl_homepage.php
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 25, 2009, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 25, 2009, 10:15:47 AM
Tony, tony, tony im sure philly jordan and his da can compare notes on cork bathed in the glow of the 3 senior county all ireland medals on the mantlepiece. Just like geezer, mcgrane, marsden...oops
The number of all ireland medals you have is not a gauge oof your quality as a player
maybe when you add his three all stars, numerous compromise call ups to go alongside his AI medals proves his quality???
Quote from: Any craic on August 25, 2009, 11:35:02 AM
You might have something in the 'drugged' bit. It looked like it and Mickey says there was more than Cavanagh laid low - Big Joe and Philly Jordan and Colm Cav were all under the weather. He also wants Dooher to stay on - fair play to Gaelic Life for putting up video interview with Mickey yesterday - http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/gl_homepage.php
The 3 Moy men? The feckin Blackwater has been contaminated. Charlie Vernon is courting Cavanagh's sister. I saw him in the upper cusack laughing at the Tyrone bus when it was parking.
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2009, 11:42:24 AM
Quote from: Any craic on August 25, 2009, 11:35:02 AM
You might have something in the 'drugged' bit. It looked like it and Mickey says there was more than Cavanagh laid low - Big Joe and Philly Jordan and Colm Cav were all under the weather. He also wants Dooher to stay on - fair play to Gaelic Life for putting up video interview with Mickey yesterday - http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/gl_homepage.php
The 3 Moy men? The feckin Blackwater has been contaminated. Charlie Vernon is courting Cavanagh's sister. I saw him in the upper cusack laughing at the Tyrone bus when it was parking.
Cavanagh courting Vernon's Sister although I heard Charlie Vernon and Colm Cav caught in bed together.
QuoteNo confusion really. Currently ulster is very average in terms of standard. Has definitely slipped a bit. The standard overall in the country is very even with the exception of 2 teams. Kerry and Cork are a fair bit ahead of the rest of the country at the minute. next are the likes of tyrone. After that anybody could meath anybody. Meath would have to beat kerry to give themselves a place at the top table.
I wouldn't agree with the statement regarding Kerry and Cork being far ahead of the rest. Kerry have been pretty poor all year apart from the last game. Cork tanked them in the Munster Semi aswell.
Appropriate you'd use the McDonalds tagline I suppose :D
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 12:41:14 PM
Did Cavanagh's injury or stomach bug or whatever the fcuk it was last Sunday,signal the first recorded instance of Tyrone "puking" even before the ball was thrown in :D
Doot doot doot doot dooo...I'm lovin' it ;D
More obsessed with Food or Your More Illustrious Red Hand Neighbours???
The panel news just went from bad to worse last week, we should have got er called off with suspected swine flue. I wouldnt have started Joey and Jordan, as they hadnt a breath.
Big Art not impressed with this end of an era talk, in today's Irish Times:
Mc Rory rubbishes demise of Tyrone
Seán Moran talks to a former Tyrone manager who says it's too early to call time on the deposed All-Ireland champions
DESPITE SUNDAY'S comprehensive defeat by Cork, it's too early to call time on deposed All-Ireland champions Tyrone. That's the view of former manager Art McRory, who led the county to its first All-Ireland finals in 1986 and '95.
Reflecting on the disappointment of the weekend's semi-final, he accepted it as a "setback" but believes some of the reactions have been hasty.
"I have heard all sorts of theories about this. Even Colm O'Rourke on the Sunday Game pronounced the end of Tyrone. In my view that's arrant nonsense. No doubt Brian Dooher needs to retire and for his own sake I hope he does because he's pushed his body too far in recent times. He's had no football this year until the championship and didn't start until the Ulster final.
"That would leave us with a wee bit of thinking to do because Dooher would be a huge loss. He's the heartbeat of the whole operation and I would hope that Mickey would keep him about in a managerial capacity."
The player himself says he won't rush into any decision about his future as a Tyrone player. Sunday marked the end of a 14th season for the 34-year-old double All-Ireland-winning captain.
But there's no talk of retirement, and the Clan na nGael man will take time to decide whether he will commit to the cause once again in 2010.
"I'll not worry about that yet. That's well down the line yet," he said. Although there aren't any players apart from Dooher and Collie Holmes at an age when retirement is an obvious option some players may struggle to maintain the intensity that's demanded at the top of the game.
McRory is also concerned about the recurrent injury problems of former Footballer of the Year Stephen O'Neill.
"I think Stevie O'Neill is still on a wing and a prayer. He's very subdued and carrying an injury. It's a major problem, that tendon below the knee cap. Owen Hargreaves at Manchester United has it and can't shake it even with constant supervision and the best medical care."
He doesn't believe, however, that burnout might be a difficulty. The team and panel was for the most part very young when they came together for the first All-Ireland in 2003 but might not the winning of three titles and the attrition of their high-tempo game have had an effect?
"That's a theory but I'm not sure I subscribe to it. Physical fitness isn't too hard to maintain. A player like Ryan McMenamin is a natural athlete and won't have a problem with his individual programmes. Conor Gormley might struggle a bit more but lifestyle and commitment is so important in all of this and his is absolutely impeccable.
"They looked tired in comparison to Cork but the mental effect of Seán Cavanagh's illness and Cork's whirlwind start knocked the stuffing out of them."
McRory is none the less anxious to give credit to the performance by Conor Counihan's Munster champions. Having cut a swathe through the championship including a dazzling replay victory over Kerry in the Munster semi-final, Cork maintained their progress by taking a first heavyweight scalp in the defeat of the All-Ireland champions.
"I was hugely impressed by Cork. They have the makings of a team virtually as good as Mick O'Dwyer's Kerry. They've players like John Hayes, Fintan Goold and Michael Cussen to bring in as subs, which means it's a fierce strong panel.
"I think now that they'll be mentally ready for Kerry if they end up playing them in the final."
As regards Tyrone he believes they'll be back even if reconstituting the challenge may take a little time. "It's a setback but there are enough young players coming through. We may have to strike out in a slightly different direction but we'll still be the best team in Ulster even if for the next year or two we're not up to the very top level, which I think will be Cork."
Didn't see much wrong with SON on Sunday- Art must have missed the game.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 01:42:28 PM
Didn't see much wrong with SON on Sunday- Art must have missed the game.
True enough Indiana, he did well with the scraps he managed to pick up.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 01:42:28 PM
Didn't see much wrong with SON on Sunday- Art must have missed the game.
One of Tyrone players who did turn up on Sunday.
The ref was a joke Tony, everyone is saying that. However I do not think he had a bearing on the result. On the day, Cork were the better team and I hold my hat off to team. Congratulations and I wish them all the very best in the Final.
I was chatting to Cork men at the game and even they said that the ref was terrible. Not only regarding the sending off, but for his obvious dislike towards Tyrone.
I don't think that anyone in Tyrone is blaming the ref for our defeat- where in the article does it say that? I think the point being made is simply that Bannon was poor to say the least.
You're just like Spillane Tony, a very sad bitter little man.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:28:05 PM
Every team in pratically every match could blame the referee. It is strange that Tyrone are calling for a reviw at this time. It certainly stikes of sour grapes.
As I've said Tyrone have benefitted from referee's howlers in big games in the past, like 2005, the ridiculous sending off of Marsden in 2003 etc.
Fair play to Tyrone supporters for acknowledging the fact that Cork (even with 14 men ) were a far superior team. In fairness a blind man on a galoping horse could have seen that Tyrone's number was up after they scraped past Kildare in the quarters. I even said here last week that Tyrone are now at where Armagh were in 2005, and the end was near
Yawn. With
one or two subtle differences or extra accoutrements though ;)
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:28:05 PM
Every team in pratically every match could blame the referee. It is strange that Tyrone are calling for a reviw at this time. It certainly stikes of sour grapes.
As I've said Tyrone have benefitted from referee's howlers in big games in the past, like 2005, the ridiculous sending off of Marsden in 2003 etc.
Fair play to Tyrone supporters for acknowledging the fact that Cork (even with 14 men ) were a far superior team. In fairness a blind man on a galoping horse could have seen that Tyrone's number was up after they scraped past Kildare in the quarters. I even said here last week that Tyrone are now at where Armagh were in 2005, and the end was near
Thank you . Nice to see that you admire your neighbours being magnanimous!
Quote from: ziggysego on August 25, 2009, 02:32:17 PM
You're just like Spillane Tony, a very sad bitter little man.
That's bang out of order Ziggy... what an insult to little people!
Tony who has the taste of Sour Grapes? Tyrone talking about bad decisions 4 days ago or you chatting about games 4 years ago. You give Armagh fans a bad name.
I haven't heard anyone from Tyrone blaming the ref for the result, Cork were the better team and deserved the win.
To call Bannon a referee is a fair stretch of the imagination.
Quote from: redhugh on August 25, 2009, 02:23:54 PM
I don't think that anyone in Tyrone is blaming the ref for our defeat- where in the article does it say that? I think the point being made is simply that Bannon was poor to say the least.
Ach it doesnt actually have to say that for our Tony to post it. The words referee & Tyrone on the same page would be enough.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
Get over it. There will be at least one Ulster team representing the province in this historic year in the All Ireland final having successfully turned rounbd a half time deficit in the semi final against a Munster kingpin.
I've a lot of time for Armagh. Was in Croke Park on time to support the Armagh minors. A lot of Tyrone flags up with Armagh scored.
You Tony, make it difficult for me and I'm sure others to support Armagh.
QuoteEvery team in pratically every match could blame the referee. It is strange that Tyrone are calling for a reviw at this time. It certainly stikes of sour grapes.
As I've said Tyrone have benefitted from referee's howlers in big games in the past, like 2005, the ridiculous sending off of Marsden in 2003 etc.
Fair play to Tyrone supporters for acknowledging the fact that Cork (even with 14 men ) were a far superior team. In fairness a blind man on a galoping horse could have seen that Tyrone's number was up after they scraped past Kildare in the quarters. I even said here last week that Tyrone are now at where Armagh were in 2005, and the end was near
What howler benefited Tyrone in 2005?
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
Get over it. There will be at least one Ulster team representing the province in this historic year in the All Ireland final having successfully turned rounbd a half time deficit in the semi final against a Munster kingpin.
Yeah- big congrats to the Armagh minors.There are some very exciting prospects on that minor team who will be a joy to watch in the coming years...I'd imagine that many of your neighbours will be supporting them.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
Get over it. There will be at least one Ulster team representing the province in this historic year in the All Ireland final having successfully turned rounbd a half time deficit in the semi final against a Munster kingpin.
Says the man who's still ranting about 2003 ::)
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:28:05 PM
Every team in pratically every match could blame the referee. It is strange that Tyrone are calling for a reviw at this time. It certainly stikes of sour grapes.
As I've said Tyrone have benefitted from referee's howlers in big games in the past, like 2005, the ridiculous sending off of Marsden in 2003 etc.
Fair play to Tyrone supporters for acknowledging the fact that Cork (even with 14 men ) were a far superior team. In fairness a blind man on a galoping horse could have seen that Tyrone's number was up after they scraped past Kildare in the quarters. I even said here last week that Tyrone are now at where Armagh were in 2005, and the end was near
Cork were good enough to win even after the ridiculous sending off of O'Connor on Sunday, Armagh werent in '03.
As you say yourself, get over it!
Quote from: ziggysego on August 25, 2009, 02:48:09 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
Get over it. There will be at least one Ulster team representing the province in this historic year in the All Ireland final having successfully turned rounbd a half time deficit in the semi final against a Munster kingpin.
I've a lot of time for Armagh. Was in Croke Park on time to support the Armagh minors. A lot of Tyrone flags up with Armagh scored.
You Tony, make it difficult for me and I'm sure others to support Armagh.
Tony does not speak for the majority of Armagh fans. The vast majority of ulster fans strongly support their neighbours when the reach the final stages of the all-ireland, its always been that way, more so the past 10 years when Ulster teams have been very successful. As an Armagh man, I was very happy to see Tyrone go on and win those sams becasue they have been quite simply the best team & the best manager in the land for the last 5/6 years. Armagh had a great run (albeit with a lot less resources than tyrone) Monaghan & Derry have also done the province proud.
The more you suck those grapes Tony the sour they become. Keep on sucking.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:09:41 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-call-for-ref-justice-14466968.html
Pukes now blaming the referee for the defeat by 14 man Cork :D
Funny there was nothing wrong with the referee when Russel gave them a penalty for nithing and an easy free at the end of the 2005 AI semi final, or when Gooch was gouged in the 2005 Final :(
The referee gave the Cork players license to do whatever they wanted to. The sending off proved a worse decision for Tyrone than it did for Cork if you look at that game. Tyrone have a record of playing badly against 14 men, and Cork certainly should have seen 2 or 3 more players off on Sunday.
If you're talking about 2005 then you'd surely admit that the worst refereeing display of the year was that which put Armagh into the quarter finals. Tyrone have had a ridiculous amount of bad decisions against them in the past too, so let's not forget that. The penalty in the semi-final was a definite penalty for what it's worth, and the free at the end was indisputable. You'd be looking at Armagh's inability to see the game out rather than anything else for why they lost--perhaps a bit like Tyrone on Sunday, who couldn't dominate possession even with a numerical advantage against a more physical team.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:09:41 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-call-for-ref-justice-14466968.html
Pukes now blaming the referee for the defeat by 14 man Cork :D
Funny there was nothing wrong with the referee when Russel gave them a penalty for nithing and an easy free at the end of the 2005 AI semi final, or when Gooch was gouged in the 2005 Final :(
No doubt in the days to come the following will all be allocated their fair share of the blame for Tyrone's defeat
Brian Cowen
The Green Party
Simon Cowell
Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi
Gordon Strachan
Nelson Mc Causland
Ianrod Eireann
Sensationalist headline from a journo type...nothing to do with Tyrone. So Mickey called into question some of Bannon's decisions.....a blind man in a dark room could see them.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
Get over it. There will be at least one Ulster team representing the province in this historic year in the All Ireland final having successfully turned rounbd a half time deficit in the semi final against a Munster kingpin.
Yep...and I'll be supporting them...
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
Berf, I speak for a lot more Armagh fans than you think. In fact I have not met one who hasn't got a huge grin on their face since Sunday at 5pm. ;D
You see a lot of us remember the following
The failure of the Tyrone team to even applaud the AI Champions onto the field at Omagh in March 2003.
The contrived sending off of Marsden in the AI Final of 2003.
The overt support for Laois in the AI Qtr Final of 2003 emanating from the Tyrone supporters.
I could go on and on.
As for Tyrone having the best team and manager in the land over the last 5/6 years don't make me laugh. In the last 5 or 6 years Tyrone have been eliminated from the Championship by the likes of Laois, Meath and a Cork team that is ar from the finished article. I think the best team title indisputably belongs to Kerry whereas Counihan in resurrecting Cork from the shambles of the 2007 AI Final humiliation to this years final (and indeed into within one kick of last years) is the mark of a truly outstanding manager.
Jees! Tony, could you not just have cut that nonsense to three words?... 'I hate Tyrone.'
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 05:04:15 PM
The free at the end of the 2005 semi was handy to say the least (Russell's present to Tyrone for 1995) and as regards the penalty Russell overlooked two fouls committed by Tyrone players in the lead up to the penalty
Apparently the Dallas police want to know where Mickey Harte was on the 22nd November 1963 too.
Quote from: popinpoput on August 25, 2009, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 25, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
Get over it. There will be at least one Ulster team representing the province in this historic year in the All Ireland final having successfully turned rounbd a half time deficit in the semi final against a Munster kingpin.
Yep...and I'll be supporting them...
If you don't mind...?
Quote from: ziggysego on August 25, 2009, 02:32:17 PM
You're just like Spillane Tony, a very sad bitter little man.
Wait - this is Tony we are talking about here
Full of bullshit as usual Fearon. Your no worse than thon Kerry hoor who has now got banned. I know alot of supporters of Armagh, Derry, Kerry etc were happy to see Tyrone beaten on Sunday, but they havent been getting the sly digs in like you and some of the Kerry ones. You talk about Tyrone complaining about the ref on Sunday, everyone knows the referee was bad, but Cork were still a better team and deserved to win. No one else has a different opinion than that. Then you contradict yourself in complaining about referee decisions that went against Armagh in '03 and '05. Armagh were beaten by the better team in both years, many an Armagh supporter has told me, so get over it.
The stupidity of some of you Tyronies never ceases to amaze me. Surely by now yous would have the cop on to realise what Fearon and Sheehy are up to. They'll keep this up for weeks if you eejits keep biting.
Good man Tony. You still have it!
Bate it into them Tyrone hoors.
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
Good man Tony. You still have it!
Bate it into them Tyrone hoors.
Fcuk up O'Neill.
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2009, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
Good man Tony. You still have it!
Bate it into them Tyrone hoors.
Fcuk up O'Neill.
:o :o
A'Naill in 'Forgot to Change Username' Shocker!
Quote from: AFS on August 25, 2009, 06:08:15 PM
The stupidity of some of you Tyronies never ceases to amaze me. Surely by now yous would have the cop on to realise what Fearon and Sheehy are up to. They'll keep this up for weeks if you eejits keep biting.
+1
Quote from: ziggysego on August 25, 2009, 02:32:17 PM
You're just like Spillane Tony, a very sad bitter little man. sure u dont mean fat?
Got back from Dublin last night and was still feeling a bit gutted at the result. However today is another day and it's time to move on. Cork were worthy winners and all the best to them in the final. IMO people are reading too much into sundays result - ok Tyrone had a bad day at the office but I'm sure they'll lick their wounds and with Mickey Harte at the helm, will be back competing at HQ next August.
Quote from: stibhan on August 25, 2009, 04:47:34 PM
The referee gave the Cork players license to do whatever they wanted to. The sending off proved a worse decision for Tyrone than it did for Cork if you look at that game. Tyrone have a record of playing badly against 14 men, and Cork certainly should have seen 2 or 3 more players off on Sunday.
I dunno what you're saying here, are you insinuating that the referee sent off the Cork man because he believed they'd benefit by it because Tyrone have a poor record against 14 men? That's some mental theory there.
Listen, I'm a proud Corkman, I have the highest respect for this Tyrone team but ye were blown away by a hungrier team on Sunday. It's the reason why it's so hard to win back to back Sams, there's so many teams capable of winning it, and when you have the footballers and the hunger you're at an advantage over those that have recently won it, because their hunger is obviously gonna be less. Tyrone will be there ot thereabouts over the foreseeable future, I have no doubt.
Mr Fearon are you the same boy that used to pollute the Irish News Letters pages about the Republic of Ireland Soccer team ??? ??? run along to D4 out of the road there
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 08:03:27 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 23, 2009, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 23, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Excellent day. The beginning of the end for this Tyrone team and Armagh minors through to the final
Will that do for you Pints? Take the blinkers off.
Yiz are the Wimbledon of the GAA. Get over it.
One poster? Is that it?
YOu said
QuoteA lot of supporters of the great one in a row team on here dancing on a grave that hasnt yet been dug....youse Armagh lads would want to wise up.....the minors would be scant compensation...especially with the red and black lying in wait if they get over Mayo.....yiz really make me laugh.
Where's the rest?
I think your fat friend from Poyntpass/Portadown has copper fastened the Armagh opinion on Tyrone's demise in the most articulate way in his last few posts on this thread... :D :D
Classy....
Was thinking back too to the odd tactic of Ricey on O'Neill at CHB during open play or from McConnell's kick-outs, then swopping with Justin McMahon at CB when Cork were taking kick-outs, then swopping back again during general play. As it turned out, Cork took some number of short kick-outs, negating that idea. You have to give it to Cork, their players were brilliantly focused for the quick kick out, often found in acres of room. Even at free-kicks they were hitting players at lightning pace.
Rois, did you have a peaceful time at the game on Sunday or was there any trouble makers giving you a hard time?
QuoteFull of bullshit as usual Fearon. Your no worse than thon Kerry hoor who has now got banned.
What are you talking about....
Anyway, at least you lads have the consolation of winning the Ashes. Leave the football to the traditional powers like Kerry.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2009, 09:11:12 AM
This shows the level of intelligence that this idiot poster possess!! The next time Kerry play Armagh in the championship - i'd love to see if the little keyboard coward has the balls to go up an Armagh man and call him a "British Cnut"! I would suspect the courage he often has behind the safety of a computer screen may quickly desert him! The real Mikey Sheehy who was one of the greatest ever footballers and a true gentleman would be ashamed that this clown is a kerryman!
..and I'd like to see you say what you have said about Aidan O'Mahoney to his face, hypocrite
btw hows Rosie ?..I'm sure she'd be delighted to know you were having such a laugh at her expense on here ::)
I understand the issues facing Sheehy and Fearon. In 00s Kerry have been unable to beat a Tyrone team in the championship and boy is their sense of superiority been rolled in the muck (03,05,08 they have been taught manners like no other years), Armagh have had their pants pulled down, their asses skelped and sent up the M1 with a solitary All-Ireland to show for their efforts.
It leads me to believe that Dooher is better than Marsden or Galvin.
It leads me to believe that Cavanagh is better than O'Se or McGrane.
It leads me to believe that Canavan is better than Cooper or McDonnell.
It leads me to believe that Gormley is better than Moyinhan or McGeeny.
It leads me to believe that Jordan is better than Tomas O'Se or O'Rorke.
It leads me to believe that McMenamin is better than Marc O'Se or Bellew.
etc
etc
etc
It leads me to believe that Harte is better than O'Se/O'Connor/O'Shea or Kernan/McDonnell.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 26, 2009, 04:59:12 AM
..and I'd like to see you say what you have said about Aidan O'Mahoney to his face, hypocrite
The last time someone said something to his face he fell over in pain.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 26, 2009, 12:22:23 AM
Rois, did you have a peaceful time at the game on Sunday or was there any trouble makers giving you a hard time?
Ah Ziggy I was grand, had my dad for protection this time. Lots of foul language but none directed at me, most at the ref.
QuoteThe free at the end of the 2005 semi was handy to say the least (Russell's present to Tyrone for 1995) and as regards the penalty Russell overlooked two fouls committed by Tyrone players in the lead up to the penalty
What about the Ulster Title that the ref handed Armagh earlier that summer. Tyrone were in cruise control that day, only for the ref to decide to dismiss Tyrone's two key players to give Armagh a chance.
Quote from: Final Whistle on August 26, 2009, 08:42:50 AM
I understand the issues facing Sheehy and Fearon. In 00s Kerry have been unable to beat a Tyrone team in the championship and boy is their sense of superiority been rolled in the muck (03,05,08 they have been taught manners like no other years), Armagh have had their pants pulled down, their asses skelped and sent up the M1 with a solitary All-Ireland to show for their efforts.
It leads me to believe that Dooher is better than Marsden or Galvin.
It leads me to believe that Cavanagh is better than O'Se or McGrane.
It leads me to believe that Canavan is better than Cooper or McDonnell.
It leads me to believe that Gormley is better than Moyinhan or McGeeny.
It leads me to believe that Jordan is better than Tomas O'Se or O'Rorke.
It leads me to believe that McMenamin is better than Marc O'Se or Bellew.
etc
etc
etc
It leads me to believe that Harte is better than O'Se/O'Connor/O'Shea or Kernan/McDonnell.
You started off so well there FW and then lost the run of yourself... ::)
(a bit like Tyrone this year now when I come to think of it)
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 26, 2009, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: Final Whistle on August 26, 2009, 08:42:50 AM
I understand the issues facing Sheehy and Fearon. In 00s Kerry have been unable to beat a Tyrone team in the championship and boy is their sense of superiority been rolled in the muck (03,05,08 they have been taught manners like no other years), Armagh have had their pants pulled down, their asses skelped and sent up the M1 with a solitary All-Ireland to show for their efforts.
It leads me to believe that Dooher is better than Marsden or Galvin.
It leads me to believe that Cavanagh is better than O'Se or McGrane.
It leads me to believe that Canavan is better than Cooper or McDonnell.
It leads me to believe that Gormley is better than Moyinhan or McGeeny.
It leads me to believe that Jordan is better than Tomas O'Se or O'Rorke.
It leads me to believe that McMenamin is better than Marc O'Se or Bellew.
etc
etc
etc
It leads me to believe that Harte is better than O'Se/O'Connor/O'Shea or Kernan/McDonnell.
You started off so well there FW and then lost the run of yourself... ::)
(a bit like Tyrone this year now when I come to think of it)
And all of the above are better than Paddy Bradley!!!
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There are two players on that list at the most that are better than Paddy Bradley.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 10:00:44 AM
There are two players on that list at the most that are better than Paddy Bradley.
Awww now, Paddy was never that great a half back.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 10:00:44 AM
There are three players on that list at the most that are better than Paddy Bradley.
Fixed that for you sk
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 26, 2009, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 10:00:44 AM
There are two players on that list at the most that are better than Paddy Bradley.
Awww now, Paddy was never that great a half back.
He played there for years!
Quote from: full back on August 26, 2009, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 10:00:44 AM
There are three players on that list at the most that are better than Paddy Bradley.
Fixed that for you sk
Apologies, thanks for that FB.
This thread has went to fcuk.
Quote from: Sigerson on August 26, 2009, 10:11:20 AM
This thread has went to fcuk.
A bit like Fearon's BMI.
I heard a number of the tyrone lads were down with the stomach virus that Cavanagh had. That would explain the general level of lethargy of their running in particular- leaving aside ball skills. Maybe the chef was from Cork ;D. Still rank bad luck.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 26, 2009, 10:50:07 AM
I heard a number of the tyrone lads were down with the stomach virus that Cavanagh had. That would explain the general level of lethargy of their running in particular- leaving aside ball skills. Maybe the chef was from Cork ;D. Still rank bad luck.
Your not far wrong Indiana, however the chances of the Tyrone chairman writing a letter of complaint akin to Mr Levy of Tottenham are slim to none. One of those things, however Cork were well worth their victory, viruses or no viruses. At least there will be red and white tassles remaining on Sam for the forseeable future.
Up the rebels!!
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 25, 2009, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 23, 2009, 08:03:27 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 23, 2009, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 23, 2009, 05:29:45 PM
Excellent day. The beginning of the end for this Tyrone team and Armagh minors through to the final
Will that do for you Pints? Take the blinkers off.
Yiz are the Wimbledon of the GAA. Get over it.
One poster? Is that it?
YOu said
QuoteA lot of supporters of the great one in a row team on here dancing on a grave that hasnt yet been dug....youse Armagh lads would want to wise up.....the minors would be scant compensation...especially with the red and black lying in wait if they get over Mayo.....yiz really make me laugh.
Where's the rest?
I think your fat friend from Poyntpass/Portadown has copper fastened the Armagh opinion on Tyrone's demise in the most articulate way in his last few posts on this thread... :D :D
Classy....
So Fearon's views (clearly exagerated for the purposes of winding Tyrone supporters up) are to be taken as more indicative of Armagh supporters than the greater number expressing the exact opposite opinion.
If there's an obsession on this board worse than Fearon's with Tyrone, its your obsession with Armagh.
Listen this goading of Tyrone supporters is fine and well with me, we can goad back in time.
Quote from: rrhf on August 26, 2009, 01:08:43 PM
Listen this goading of Tyrone supporters is fine and well with me, we can goad back in time.
Do you mean:
We can goad back, in time.OR
We can goad, back in time.I'd be impressed if it was the latter!
A little timely perspective, from SEÁN MORAN in today's Irish Times:
Tyrone's collective spirit their greatest asset
On Gaelic Games: Due to the county's assembly line of talent, there is no reason to fear Tyrone's epoch of success has passed for the foreseeable future
FOR ALL the not unreasonable insistence that it's too early to call time on Tyrone, there was a definite end-of-era atmosphere around Croke Park on Sunday. Whereas it's plausible to point out that the team is young and that only Brian Dooher of their front-line players is of an age (34) at which retirement is likely, the fact remains teams age as certainly as individuals and there were indisputable signs that the characteristics that made Mickey Harte's team great are fading.
Reading the entrails of the champions' most recent defeat is complicated by the fact Tyrone have always operated as a binary function – either on or off. Last week I couldn't think of a quality performance in a match that the team hadn't won or of a defeat where they hadn't played badly. There was no in between.
In the sometimes tendentious debate about whether they or Kerry have been the team of the decade, Tyrone's strongest argument has been their head-to-head track record against their biggest rivals; the strongest argument against them, the failure to challenge consistently and successfully defend the title.
Kerry in this decade have won four All-Irelands, including two back-to-back, reached three other finals and been to the semi-finals every year.
There has been some post-hoc rationalisation of the Ulster champions' displays this summer. The charge that they had been sluggish in the province can be tallied with a low-key campaign, but they cruised past the challenge of their two most established rivals, Armagh and Derry, and effortlessly handled the unusual presence of Antrim in the final by effectively winning the match in the first quarter.
If the All-Ireland quarter-final against Kildare featured more difficulties than a team of their calibre should have been experiencing against the Leinster finalists, it had to be accepted that few managers are as familiar with the demands of playing Tyrone as Kieran McGeeney and that, in the end, it was a performance of impressive calm on the part of the champions, refusing to panic and doing enough to win.
Prior to last Sunday, Harte's team had never lost beyond the quarter-finals. That, in itself, is impressive testimony to their ability to shut out championships.
The great postscript is, of course, the illness of Seán Cavanagh. For any team the loss of a player who has three All Stars and the current Footballer of the Year accolade is bound to be a major handicap and, although it's impossible to identify how this impacted on the result, there was one very noticeable effect.
Tyrone's terrific record as competitors and their ability to win close matches, especially in All-Ireland finals, is partly based on tenacity and not the physical characteristic of hounding opponents, but a mental durability that enabled them to hang on to the stirrups of a contest even when it was racing away from them.
That was most evident in their facility for filching points here and there to prevent the scoreboard gradually clicking out of sight. Cavanagh was not only a consistent contributor to getting the best out of sporadic attacks, but he was frequently also the precision instrument, for instance last September.
Losing him before the throw-in was a severe loss as well as a blow to morale coming as close as it did to the match and denying Harte the time and space to draft an emergency plan and salvage the mood within the camp.
In the end, the renowned Tyrone manager resembled a conductor waving his baton at an incomplete orchestra, missing as it was its first violin and coping with other instruments curiously out of tune.
Because football in the county has become so important and harnessed so much enthusiasm, there are few doubts about the assembly line for the future. Already, great youthful talent is identifiable and there is no reason to fear the epoch of success has passed for the foreseeable future.
Assessing the legacy of the past few years isn't too difficult. Tyrone has represented an extraordinary celebration of the team. Whereas not short of individual talent, the county's All-Ireland victories have been based on harmony rather than melody.
Even the use of Peter Canavan, as good a player as has been seen, in his final years was so shrewd and well-judged that Harte got the maximum benefit from careful husbandry of resources and the twice-pulled trick of replacing the player and returning him to action in All-Ireland finals.
Deploying your significant talent to optimum effect is only part of management and Harte also accomplished the other important task of getting the best from less gifted individuals and devising the patterns of play within which the whole team might thrive.
Kilkenny hurling manager Brian Cody was reportedly so impressed by Tyrone's ability to win every sector in a match ("to win the field") that he set about realising the same ambition in the small-ball game.
It's probably not widely appreciated that Tyrone are in future likely to be starting only about half of the team that won the breakthrough All-Ireland in 2003. In other words, Harte has been rebuilding and restructuring all along so the expected departure of Dooher won't faze him for next year, for all that the captain is, in the words of Art McRory, "the heartbeat of the whole operation".
Four years ago no one knew how the team would cope with the retirement of Canavan, whose skill and temperament on the big occasion had been so crucial to the victories of 2003 and '05. Last year we got the answer, as an improvised team – missing not just the departed Canavan, but the temporarily retired Stephen O'Neill, notwithstanding a brief appearance in the final – picked off another All-Ireland, again confounding Kerry in the process.
It should also be remembered about them that there was no luck. Misfortune beset the team with macabre persistence.
The death of Cormac McAnallen robbed the team of a colossal talent and that generation's natural leader.
Brian McGuigan's succession of injuries took away a player who appeared destined to be the top centre forward of his generation.
But the belief in the collective drove Tyrone to their most memorable achievements – whether in the swarming defence, the infinitely adaptable defenders, the hard-running support play or last year an All-Ireland final attack that included just two starters from the previous success just three years previously.
More than any team, they absorbed horrendous setbacks and yet somehow, from the intensity of those experiences, forged an unbreakable spirit.
:D
lets just dance for a while.
Joe Mc Mahon in today's IN reckons there won't be ANY retirements in the Tyrone team.
Dooher looks ill to me. I cant see him giving another year, although his committment would say otherwise.
Quote from: orangeman on August 26, 2009, 01:35:47 PM
Joe Mc Mahon in today's IN reckons there won't be ANY retirements in the Tyrone team.
can anyone post the article?
Irish News article:
Red Hand stars will all be back next year says Joe
By Francis Mooney
Joe McMahon is certain there will be no talk of retirements within the Tyrone squad in the wake of Sunday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final defeat to Cork.
The nucleus of the team will be aged around 30 when the 2010 Championship comes around, but the Omagh man feels the more experienced players still have plenty to offer. The likes of Philip Jordan, Enda McGinley, Kevin Hughes, Pascal McConnell, Owen Mulligan, Brian McGuigan and Stephen O'Neill, who were all members of the 1998 All-Ireland-winning minor side, have clocked up high mileage, while skipper Brian Dooher will be 35 next year.
However, McMahon is confident they will still be around, along with manager Mickey Harte, who has confirmed he will be back for an eighth season in charge. "I don't think things are finished with this Tyrone team just yet," said McMahon. "I don't think the boys will be happy with losing a semi-final, and they'll be back again next year. We'll go and reflect now and look towards next year in due time," he said.
Talk of a second successive All-Ireland title may have increased the pressure on the reigning champions ahead of last Sunday's game, according to McMahon, who feels it certainly lessened expectation in the Cork camp.
"We were seen as the favourites, and Cork the underdogs. And they played that way, with no real pressure on themselves, and they probably looked the hungrier in patches of the game," he said. "We wanted to get the back-to-back, and to fall at the semi-final stage is very disappointing. But things didn't happen for us and we're disappointed in that sense."
The convincing manner of Cork's five-point win eased the pain for McMahon, who admitted it was less difficult to accept defeat at the hands of a superior side than to lose out narrowly in an evenly-poised game. "They were the better team, and in that sense, the defeat is easier to accept," admitted McMahon.
"If we had been beaten by a point or so, it would have been more difficult to take. We were very disappointed with our performance. We didn't really get going. Fair play to Cork, they played all the football. They were fast-moving, and I think we were too static. They were moving the ball forward, attacking us high up the field with great intensity. They're a very fit team, strong in the tackle."
And McMahon also felt the pre-match loss of Sean Cavanagh was a huge blow, which perhaps affected the performances of other members of the team.
"To lose a player like Sean is a massive blow. He's a great player," he said. "But again, Tommy (McGuigan) came in and did a good job, and likewise Brian (McGuigan), but on the day everybody is disappointed with their performance overall."
Nevertheless, the intensity that Cork brought to the contest, allied to the composure they displayed after being reduced to 14 men, impressed McMahon.
"When they had the man sent off, Tyrone were sort of fighting their way back into it. Maybe half-time didn't come at a great time for us, but it gave Cork a chance to regroup. They played superior with the 14 men, and I suppose we were maybe happy enough to sit back, while they were more intense in getting forward and supporting off the shoulder," he said.
And McMahon believes that the Rebels can go on and win a first All-Ireland title since 1990.
"They're a good team and they will be hard to stop, whether it be Meath or Kerry in the final," he said. "Cork have proved themselves, and having beaten Tyrone, they would be going in as favourites for the All-Ireland."
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We aint biting Fearon.
1=Lucky
2=Good
3(Beating Kerry on our way in all occasions)= Team of the decade!
The fact that you're using Kerry as your benchmark indicates they are a superior team, also the fact that they have won 4 / FOUR / IV All Irelands probably settle it anyway.
Quote from: Final Whistle on August 26, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
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We aint biting Fearon.
1=Lucky
2=Good
3(Beating Kerry on our way in all occasions)= Team of the decade!
This decade isn't over yet. I want Cork to win the All Ireland but if Kerry beat Meath and happen to beat Cork in the Final there'll be no disputing the Team Of The Decade then.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 01:37:04 PM
Dooher looks ill to me. I cant see him giving another year, although his committment would say otherwise.
Ill?- body is just knackered thats all. Could maybe do impact sub for a couple of seasons
probably settles it, until you take into account that head to head, championship action, the count is 3-0!!!
Quite conclusive when you consider that Kerry have failed to beat Tyrone.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 03:12:35 PM
The fact that you're using Kerry as your benchmark indicates they are a superior team, also the fact that they have won 4 / FOUR / IV All Irelands probably settle it anyway.
Saying that Kerry alongside Tyrone have a near monopoly on the all irelands won in the 00s they are the only comparison to realistically have. Unless that is you want to compare Tyrone's success to Derrys national league triumph????
Derry have nothing to do with it, please stick to the point*. Kerry have won more provincial titles and more AI's. They have appeared in more finals and did back to back AIs. Because Tyrone beat them in head to heads is a non issue. They were / are a great team, but why can you not accept that Kerry are a better team? The evidence is there.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 03:30:22 PM
Derry have nothing to do with it, please stick to the point*. Kerry have won more provincial titles and more AI's. They have appeared in more finals and did back to back AIs. Because Tyrone beat them in head to heads is a non issue. They were / are a great team, but why can you not accept that Kerry are a better team? The evidence is there.
Your argument is flawed. Because they won more provincials is neither here nor there! Munster compared to Ulster, even you should understand that. Just look at the Munster lack of competition.
2006 Path to Glory;
Kerry 0-16 v 0-08 Waterford
Kerry 0-17 v 1-05 Tipperary
Kerry 0-10 v 0-10 Cork
Cork 1-12 v 0-09 Kerry
Kerry 4-11 v 1-11 Longford
Armagh 1-13 v 3-15 Kerry
Kerry 0-16 v 0-10 Cork
Kerry 4-15 v 3-05 Mayo
2007 Path to Glory
Waterford 0-04 v 2-15 Kerry
Kerry 1-15 v 1-13 Cork
Kerry 1-12 v 1-11 Monaghan
Kerry 1-15 v 0-16 Dublin
Kerry 3-13 v 1-09 Cork
I dont see Tyrone being beat by Kerry in either. This is not Kerry's problem, they can only beat whats in front of them. However, there will be a hoodoo hanging over this team, everyone in kerry knows as much and its that they did not get the better of Tyrone.
When is the award for team of the decade given out? Is it part of the offical all stars awards - or is it all a load of b*llocks dreamt up by people who have little else to argue about! Who cares about team of the decade? For this generation of players Tyrone played Kerry on an equal footing on three occassions when it really mattered and won all three quite convincingly - this is an undisputeable fact so how can anyone say that the kerry team is a better team??
As I've said many times before, you find me a Kerry man with regret on his face should they win the AI this year.
News flash - the only people that care about Tyrone beating Kerry are Tyrone people.
Forget about provincials then, they still win 4-3, potentially 5-3!
Had Tyrone have won this year then they would have been ahead, due to head to heads. Its a bit like goal difference, its only used when teams are level. These teams arent level.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2009, 03:53:16 PM
When is the award for team of the decade given out? Is it part of the offical all stars awards - or is it all a load of b*llocks dreamt up by people who have little else to argue about! Who cares about team of the decade? For this generation of players Tyrone played Kerry on an equal footing on three occassions when it really mattered and won all three quite convincingly - this is an undisputeable fact so how can anyone say that the kerry team is a better team??
Because a decade consists of 10 years, not the years from 2003 - 2008.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
News flash - the only people that care about Tyrone beating Kerry are Tyrone people.
Whatever else you might be saying SLK, that's bollix, and I know that for a fact.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
As I've said many times before, you find me a Kerry man with regret on his face should they win the AI this year.
News flash - the only people that care about Tyrone beating Kerry are Tyrone people.
Forget about provincials then, they still win 4-3, potentially 5-3!
Had Tyrone have won this year then they would have been ahead, due to head to heads. Its a bit like goal difference, its only used when teams are level. These teams arent level.
Jack O'Connor cares, he said so in his book. Paidi O'Se cares and says that most Kerry people care, it says so in his newspaper column. Spillane cares, anyone who seen his reaction on Sunday can tell he cares. Head to head, when the gold was on the line, when it really mattered, Tyrone outmuscled, outsmarted, outplayed, out foxed Kerry. However, this year, to Kerry's relief Tyrone are just plain out!
Ok ok, you got me, I also overheard a group of Kerry folk saying they wouldnt even celebrate this year if they won the AI ::)
What was it I said, bad winners and even worse losers :-*
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2009, 03:53:16 PM
When is the award for team of the decade given out? Is it part of the offical all stars awards - or is it all a load of b*llocks dreamt up by people who have little else to argue about! Who cares about team of the decade? For this generation of players Tyrone played Kerry on an equal footing on three occassions when it really mattered and won all three quite convincingly - this is an undisputeable fact so how can anyone say that the kerry team is a better team??
Because a decade consists of 10 years, not the years from 2003 - 2008.
And your point is?
I'll ask the question again - when is this award presented? Or is it just something certain people from weaker counties like yerself like to mouth about to try and diminish the achievements of a great team! I couldnt care less if people like youreself and fearon sit at home grumbling to yoursellves about Tyrone - the bottom line is that we have won three all ireland in a short period of time - i enjoyed every single one and if tyrone never win another game it wont take away from the achievements of this generation of players!
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 04:05:38 PM
Ok ok, you got me, I also overheard a group of Kerry folk saying they wouldnt even celebrate this year if they won the AI ::)
What was it I said, bad winners and even worse losers :-*
Lol. Comedian, when you get argued down you give up again, must be a Derry trait to give up when the going gets tough? Put it like this would Kerry be happier beating Cork in the final or beating Tyrone in the final, and be honest you scally?
Bad losers, i assure you not, show me one Tyrone man who did not wish Cork well in the final? I hope they go on and win, they deserve it, after all they have disposed of the team of the decade in the semis. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 04:05:38 PM
Ok ok, you got me, I also overheard a group of Kerry folk saying they wouldnt even celebrate this year if they won the AI ::)
Are you Fearon in disguise? When did we ever even insinuate that if Kerry win this year's AI it will have been devalued in the slightest because they did not meet and beat Tyrone in the process?
False positive paranoia.
Three Tyrone men chomping at the bit. Please take it easy, I'm only a wee Derry man.
Benny - I am in no way trying to take away from their achievements, they have (and still are) a fantastic team and as I've said many many times before I supported them last year in the final! I was extremely pleased to see them win, then you start to listen to all the crap and talks of team of the decade and suddenly you forget why you supported them. Kerry are superior this decade, thats my view, and I think I am correct. I actually supported Tyrone last year because they were a joy to watch, no cynicism, free flowing football and they brought an amazing atmosphere with them.
FW - sporting surely, but none of you would have been so sporting has that been Kerry on sunday that beat you, nor were you sporting after the easy defeat of Derry.
I honestly dont know who Kerry would rather beat, please dont try and tell me you do. Would you rather beat Kerry or Derry in an AI final?
FoSB - no I am not Fearon in disguise. I cannot be bothered trawling through posts but I am very confident that people previously said that this AI would mean less to Kerry if they don't get to meet and beat Tyrone on the way. In fact I am certain. Maybe not you yourself, but certainly some Tyrone people on here.
Fin.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Three Tyrone men chomping at the bit. Please take it easy, I'm only a wee Derry man.
Benny - I am in no way trying to take away from their achievements, they have (and still are) a fantastic team and as I've said many many times before I supported them last year in the final! I was extremely pleased to see them win, then you start to listen to all the crap and talks of team of the decade and suddenly you forget why you supported them. Kerry are superior this decade, thats my view, and I think I am correct. I actually supported Tyrone last year because they were a joy to watch, no cynicism, free flowing football and they brought an amazing atmosphere with them.
FW - sporting surely, but none of you would have been so sporting has that been Kerry on sunday that beat you, nor were you sporting after the easy defeat of Derry.
I honestly dont know who Kerry would rather beat, please dont try and tell me you do. Would you rather beat Kerry or Derry in an AI final?
FoSB - no I am not Fearon in disguise. I cannot be bothered trawling through posts but I am very confident that people previously said that this AI would mean less to Kerry if they don't get to meet and beat Tyrone on the way. In fact I am certain. Maybe not you yourself, but certainly some Tyrone people on here.
Fin.
Sorry SLK, my mind cant comprehend that statement!!!
The thought of it. :D :D :D
Quote from: Final Whistle on August 26, 2009, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Three Tyrone men chomping at the bit. Please take it easy, I'm only a wee Derry man.
Benny - I am in no way trying to take away from their achievements, they have (and still are) a fantastic team and as I've said many many times before I supported them last year in the final! I was extremely pleased to see them win, then you start to listen to all the crap and talks of team of the decade and suddenly you forget why you supported them. Kerry are superior this decade, thats my view, and I think I am correct. I actually supported Tyrone last year because they were a joy to watch, no cynicism, free flowing football and they brought an amazing atmosphere with them.
FW - sporting surely, but none of you would have been so sporting has that been Kerry on sunday that beat you, nor were you sporting after the easy defeat of Derry.
I honestly dont know who Kerry would rather beat, please dont try and tell me you do. Would you rather beat Kerry or Derry in an AI final?
FoSB - no I am not Fearon in disguise. I cannot be bothered trawling through posts but I am very confident that people previously said that this AI would mean less to Kerry if they don't get to meet and beat Tyrone on the way. In fact I am certain. Maybe not you yourself, but certainly some Tyrone people on here.
Fin.
Sorry SLK, my mind cant comprehend that statement!!!
The thought of it. :D :D :D
Touché :-\
But answer my question, I dont think you could say who Kerry would rather beat when you look at it at a more local level (no matter how unrealistic).
It's not Kerry's fault SLK, they can only beat who they meet. Except ourselves ;D
And the Kerry folk will tell you yourself (perhaps not in a public forum), that they'd like nothing better than to beat Tyrone en route to SAM.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2009, 04:32:14 PM
It's not Kerry's fault SLK, they can only beat who they meet. Except ourselves ;D
And the Kerry folk will tell you yourself (perhaps not in a public forum), that they'd like nothing better than to beat Tyrone en route to SAM.
I have no doubt about that, and it is an unfulfilled aim of theirs, but that will in no way take away from it should they win it this year. Again, not saying you said that, but alot of people certainly suggested it would be somewhat devalued.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 04:34:15 PM
I have no doubt about that, and it is an unfulfilled aim of theirs, but that will in no way take away from it should they win it this year.
Agreed, and nor should it.
Considering that they beat them in 07 with relative ease and even though this is a Cork team in a different class now, i maintain my view that Kerry would rather it was Tyrone they had a chance of beating.
Again, only my opinion, having said that, if Kerry do win the ai im sure it will be revered as much as the other 30 odd.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2009, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 04:34:15 PM
I have no doubt about that, and it is an unfulfilled aim of theirs, but that will in no way take away from it should they win it this year.
Agreed, and nor should it.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Final Whistle on August 26, 2009, 04:47:54 PM
Considering that they beat them in 07 with relative ease and even though this is a Cork team in a different class now, i maintain my view that Kerry would rather it was Tyrone they had a chance of beating.
Again, only my opinion, having said that, if Kerry do win the ai im sure it will be revered as much as the other 30 odd.
Fair enough.
Benny, I'm waiting on you, to get this cleared up.
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
no he did not
Pity
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 03:30:22 PM
Derry have nothing to do with it, please stick to the point*. Kerry have won more provincial titles and more AI's. They have appeared in more finals and did back to back AIs. Because Tyrone beat them in head to heads is a non issue. They were / are a great team, but why can you not accept that Kerry are a better team? The evidence is there.
They also won 2 league titles, that's 2 more than Tyrone have. Of course Tyronies will tell you different, this team of the decade thing, it's meaningless unless you look at all the silverware which is fought for on a national basis. When you look at it like that, there's no question of who the team of the decade is and it certainly isn't Tyrone
Did Tyrone not win the league twice this millenium too?
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 06:08:03 PM
Did Tyrone not win the league twice this millenium too?
Yes, and Kerry won it three times. Bad facts all round ardmhachaabu.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
I wonder does he consider the several close relatives in Tyrone of the fine footballer and man he named himself after to be British c***ts?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 26, 2009, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 03:30:22 PM
Derry have nothing to do with it, please stick to the point*. Kerry have won more provincial titles and more AI's. They have appeared in more finals and did back to back AIs. Because Tyrone beat them in head to heads is a non issue. They were / are a great team, but why can you not accept that Kerry are a better team? The evidence is there.
They also won 2 league titles, that's 2 more than Tyrone have. Of course Tyronies will tell you different, this team of the decade thing, it's meaningless unless you look at all the silverware which is fought for on a national basis. When you look at it like that, there's no question of who the team of the decade is and it certainly isn't Tyrone
Pray tell us the name of the cup awarded to the team of the decade. A load of b****x thought up by some tabloid journalist.
SidelineKick is an awful bollix. Sure he's more or less a Tyrone man anyway, but he tries to let on he's not ;)
Kerry have won more AI's than Tyrone this decade and have contested more AI finals. Cant argue much about that. But when they went head to head, the fact that Tyrone beat them on all 3 occasions, and twice in the final, leads me to think that Tyrone might just sneak it for the team of the decade.
Im sure Kerry celebrated their All-Ireland's this decade the same and will do so this year if they win it, and they wouldn't celebrate it any different if they beat Tyrone along the way. It's just the fact that Tyrone are their bogey team and they would like to get that monkey of their back and won't settle until doing so. Still doesnt mean their titles will be disregarded as they didn't beat Tyrone, not their fault that Tyrone wern't their in them years to stop them.
We would love to play Tyrone anytime but bless them, they are new to this whole winning business but you would have thought after the first 2 experiences they would have understood that they can't be taking holidays every time they go and win an All Ireland for a year or two. And yet here they go again this year. Jaysus Lads will ye ever learn, There are All Ireland's to be won EVERY year.
See ya' all in 2011, enjoy the break.
BTW some Cnunt stole my Avatar that I've had for years. If it was one of you Tyrone bies I will sniff it out or ye..
Don't worry Mike, we only take a break as to not cause a mental breakdown in Kerry. Kerry need to win the odd one, or they'd lose the plot. ;)
Quote from: Rocky Mc Guigan on August 26, 2009, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 26, 2009, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 26, 2009, 03:30:22 PM
Derry have nothing to do with it, please stick to the point*. Kerry have won more provincial titles and more AI's. They have appeared in more finals and did back to back AIs. Because Tyrone beat them in head to heads is a non issue. They were / are a great team, but why can you not accept that Kerry are a better team? The evidence is there.
They also won 2 league titles, that's 2 more than Tyrone have. Of course Tyronies will tell you different, this team of the decade thing, it's meaningless unless you look at all the silverware which is fought for on a national basis. When you look at it like that, there's no question of who the team of the decade is and it certainly isn't Tyrone
Pray tell us the name of the cup awarded to the team of the decade. A load of b****x thought up by some tabloid journalist.
I thinks it's the Pue Cup.
QuoteDon't worry Mike, we only take a break as to not cause a mental breakdown in Kerry. Kerry need to win the odd one, or they'd lose the plot
We have been picking off a few odd ones since 1903 alright, its 35 in total now I think , but I lose count sometimes.
AFS, was posting in a hurry earlier and didn't bother to check on basic facts, apologies for getting it wrong :P
And 2 of those recent league wins coincided with a great League & Championship double in those years, and in fact the last 4 times we have managed to win the league we also brought home Sam that year too.
Now if I could only remember who won the league this year?
QuoteNow if I could only remember who won the league this year?
Geez, KM you must have a touch of the Alzheimers, the oul memory is gone.
Cork won something in the League, as I recall.
Kerry - Div 1
Cork - Div 2
I just dont understand how video evidence can be used so vigorously during the national league to ban people retrospectively, but isnt used in the most high profile championship match of the year! Its either used or it isnt - none of this lets go to the ref and see what he thinks, because the decision which would have led to a man missing the AIF was obviously too much responsibilty for a clown like Bannon!. The decision should have been taken by the CCC (or whatever its called) so no one man would have had to shoulder what actually is a tough decision to make!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2009, 10:10:35 AM
I just dont understand how video evidence can be used so vigorously during the national league to ban people retrospectively, but isnt used in the most high profile championship match of the year! Its either used or it isnt - none of this lets go to the ref and see what he thinks, because the decision which would have led to a man missing the AIF was obviously too much responsibilty for a clown like Bannon!. The decision should have been taken by the CCC (or whatever its called) so no one man would have had to shoulder what actually is a tough decision to make!
It would be to much to expect for them to make a sensible decision, these are the same clowns that appointed Bannon in the first place
http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2009/pc/pod-v-240809-0505-nobnationgaacorkvtyrone.mp3
Mickey Harte has thrown his weight behind a motion by the Legan Sarsfields club in Longford which proposes that the CCCC should discontinue the practice of asking referees to revisit controversial decisions made in the course of games.
Legan, which is the home club of recently-retired referee John Bannon, will table the motion at next week's Longford county convention. And in the likely event of it making it onto the Clar at next April's Congress, Harte is hoping that counties will opt to bin it.
Bannon was famously asked to review his handling of an incident between one of Harte's Tyrone players, Brian McGuigan, and Cork's John Miskella in last August's All-Ireland semi-final. In what was his last inter-county game, the experienced referee stood over his decision to merely book Miskella for an off-the-ball clash with McGuigan.
Bannon clearly felt that he shouldn't have been put in the emotionally charged position, a day after the game, to potentially rule Miskella out of the All-Ireland final.
"For me, that rule has been implemented in an unfair way since it came in," Harte told the Irish Examiner.
"They were selective in who was asked to review what. It's a nonsense rule if it's not being applied consistently so, definitely, do away with it."
Some have claimed that programmes like RTÉ's The Sunday Game, which regularly highlights flash-point incidents missed by referees in real time, sets the agenda for what referees are asked to review.
"It's difficult to be definitive about that but, bringing a logical mind to it, that would seem the case all right," he added.
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
Quote from: red hander on August 26, 2009, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
I wonder does he consider the several close relatives in Tyrone of the fine footballer and man he named himself after to be British c***ts?
Well, how are things in old blighty chaps !
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 05, 2009, 06:24:16 AM
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
Quote from: red hander on August 26, 2009, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
I wonder does he consider the several close relatives in Tyrone of the fine footballer and man he named himself after to be British c***ts?
Well, how are things in old blighty chaps !
Pish poor effort.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 05, 2009, 06:24:16 AM
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
Quote from: red hander on August 26, 2009, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
I wonder does he consider the several close relatives in Tyrone of the fine footballer and man he named himself after to be British c***ts?
Well, how are things in old blighty chaps !
Well Kerry baby... how are youse treating your children these days?
Quote from: longrunsthefox on December 05, 2009, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 05, 2009, 06:24:16 AM
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
Quote from: red hander on August 26, 2009, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
did Mike Sheehy get banned from the board?
He would need to quit calling members from the north British C****
I wonder does he consider the several close relatives in Tyrone of the fine footballer and man he named himself after to be British c***ts?
Well, how are things in old blighty chaps !
Well Kerry baby... how are youse treating your children these days?
Ah lads, it could happen to a Bishop.