According to i105-107 news, he was dropped for an alleged 'breach of dicipline'.
From herald.ie
QuoteMark Vaughan has been dropped from the Dublin senior football squad.
The Kilmacud Crokes attacker is believed to have been let go by management for disciplinary reasons and will not play any part in Dublin's preparations for their All-Ireland SFC quarter-final on the August Bank Holiday weekend.
Vaughan has missed all of Dublin's championship games so far this summer due to a back injury but has resumed full training in recent weeks and is thought to have been in the running for a return to the match day squad for their last eight tie.
He was not listed as a substitute in any of Dublin's three championship games to date, but has formed part of the extended training squad in recent weeks as he attempted to break his way into manager Pat Gilroy's plans for their post Leinster campaign.
One of Crokes most influential players earlier this year as they went all the way to an All-Ireland club title with the defeat of Crossmaglen Rangers in Croke Park on St Patrick's Day, Vaughan missed almost Dublin's entire league campaign as a result and made just one appearance, as a late substitute for Conal Keaney against Westmeath in the final game of their Division 2 programme.
However, he was sent by management to correct a long-term back problem, ruling him out of Dublin's Leinster campaign. Back in mid-June, however, Gilroy was optimistic about Vaughan's chance of playing this summer, insisting "we'd expect him back in training in three to four weeks, but he has a good bit to go to get himself right."
The player is understood to be fully fit after receiving extensive treatment on his lower back but now finds himself out in the inter-county cold for the foreseeable future.
- Conor McKeon
did he pull his jesrsey over his head in training after scoring a goal and have something wriiten on his chest that pat gilroy didn't like ?
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 22, 2009, 10:07:18 AM
did he pull his jesrsey over his head in training after scoring a goal and have something wriiten on his chest that pat gilroy didn't like ?
I heard he did his back in again while moonwalking!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 22, 2009, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 22, 2009, 10:07:18 AM
did he pull his jesrsey over his head in training after scoring a goal and have something wriiten on his chest that pat gilroy didn't like ?
I heard he did his back in again while moonwalking!
makes sense it could easily happen if not practised properly especially if he had multicogs on , he should have asked the mort for some advice
Not good for Dublin, even if he was not to make the first 15 with 10 -15 minutes left Vaughan is the kind of player you would introduce to make a difference. Handy free taker as well under pressure.
in fairness i have been impressed with gilroy in his 1st year as manager especially against Kildare where he made all the right switches something i don't think pillar was capable off . This action if true just sends out the message that you play by his rules otherwise your gone. maybe the dublin lads can confirm whether gilroy helped raise funds to set up a training centre for the team i'm sure i read it in some paper if so it justs shows how committed to the dubs he really is
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11943.msg557569#msg557569
From seven weeks ago:
"there is more the Vaughan situation and his 'bad back' than meets the eye too.."
Quote from: heffo on July 22, 2009, 10:34:59 AM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11943.msg557569#msg557569
From seven weeks ago:
"there is more the Vaughan situation and his 'bad back' than meets the eye too.."
Spot on.
Old news really. Would be concerned however of the lack of a long range place kicker.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 22, 2009, 11:16:13 AM
Old news really. Would be concerned however of the lack of a long range place kicker.
Stephen Cluxton should be taking the long range frees
Disappointed about Vaughan. Missed a training session seems to be the official reason. Perhaps it was the last straw.
I wouldnt start him, but I'd rate him higher than probably all our current sub forwards.
It's a pity for Dublin that they can't make the best of him. He is a seriously talented player, a bit in the Mortimer/Mulligan style, he would obviously take a bit of management. However in my opinion a fully-fit, confident Vaughan would certainly be in the running for a starting spot. A better long range free-kick taker than anyone else on the Dub panel and capable of being fantastic on his day from play as well. Outside of the two Brogans, Jayo and possibly Keaney no one has nailed down a starting spot in the Dublin forward line this year
Quote from: kevmy on July 22, 2009, 01:42:44 PM
Outside of the two Brogans, Jayo and possibly Keaney no one has nailed down a starting spot in the Dublin forward line this year
Yet Dublin have averaged over 2-18 per game in leinster. Not a bad return.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 22, 2009, 01:15:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 22, 2009, 11:16:13 AM
Old news really. Would be concerned however of the lack of a long range place kicker.
Stephen Cluxton should be taking the long range frees
He could kick one or two out over the sideline every game too!
Quote from: kevmy on July 22, 2009, 01:42:44 PM
It's a pity for Dublin that they can't make the best of him. He is a seriously talented player, a bit in the Mortimer/Mulligan style, he would obviously take a bit of management. However in my opinion a fully-fit, confident Vaughan would certainly be in the running for a starting spot. A better long range free-kick taker than anyone else on the Dub panel and capable of being fantastic on his day from play as well. Outside of the two Brogans, Jayo and possibly Keaney no one has nailed down a starting spot in the Dublin forward line this year
Two out of three ain't bad though...
Quote from: Zapatista on July 22, 2009, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: kevmy on July 22, 2009, 01:42:44 PM
Outside of the two Brogans, Jayo and possibly Keaney no one has nailed down a starting spot in the Dublin forward line this year
Yet Dublin have averaged over 2-18 per game in leinster. Not a bad return.
Not having a go at them. I'm just not sold at all on Connolly. Davoren is injured. So in my opinion if a talented player like Vaughan was in top form he would have a very good chance of gettin on the team let alone the panel. I don't think Dublin can afford to throw away players of his calibre. Don't know what happened between him and management, maybe he deserved it so I'm not going to have a big at Gilroy.
Whatever about it being old news,anybody care to divulge why Vaughan was dropped?? PM maybe?
A fine talent,probably just hard handled. Gilroy and Co definitely look to be headin in the right direction.Obviously taking no shit.
I enjoy these suggestions of people being likened to Mortimer/Mulligan.
AFAIK Mulligan has never behaved as a brat or spat the dummy out. One incident in a pub was about all the trouble he gave Mickey Harte. Even when he wasn't making the team he knuckled right down and worked at it until he did.
A far cry from these eejits whose personal egos end up putting their teams at a disadvantage. If that's the deal with Vaughan and indeed Nicky Joyce a few months back, those boys can't be compared to mulligan. He's an allstar, all Ireland winner who likes to dye his fecking hair. If I was Ginger i'd do the same.
yes, but why was he dropped ??
Mulligan v Vaughan???
No Contest
Quote from: Roashter on July 22, 2009, 07:12:03 PM
yes, but why was he dropped ??
I'd say gilroy has a long term plan. Much like Hearte said when O'Neill returned it was more to do with 09, 10, 11etc. If Gilroy thinks he needs to do this in order for Vaughan (or anyone else) to tow the line from now on in then I can't argue with it. Then again maybe he doesn't think Vaughan is that much of a loss ;)
Think heffo would agree that Mark was never in the frame. Its inconsequential from the managers point of view in the sense that he was never going to be used. Not saying I agree with it- but thats the long and short of it. Didn't turn up for training which is probably because he knows he's way out of the frame.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 22, 2009, 09:59:06 PM
Think heffo would agree that Mark was never in the frame. Its inconsequential from the managers point of view in the sense that he was never going to be used. Not saying I agree with it- but thats the long and short of it. Didn't turn up for training which is probably because he knows he's way out of the frame.
+1
I watched him in few games last year including All Ireland Club Final & to me it appears to care more about what he scores than how the team do. Against Cross he mustve hit 6/7 frees you knew he hadn't a hope in hell of putting over but persisted to shoot instead of going short.
I think in Mulligans case it was either Mickeys way or sit on the bench & he has knuckled down & got himself a place in Harte's system of pay, even if it means tracking back 60/70 yards, Im not sure if Vaughan would be prepared to do that.
He comes across as an "off the cuff" player, who is undoubtedly talented naturally but Gaelic Football has evolved massively in past 20 years. Its too much a risk hoping that Vaughan might turn up on day of big game & destroy teams. If he doesnt I don't believe he has the work ethic required to adapt his game when the chips are down & perform a different type of role ie working his b**ls off for the good of the team.
Gilroy has done a good job thus far & has brought Dublin away from the meadia circus created by Pillar & that clown Tommy Lyons.
He must be congratualted on that. Time will tell if this decision has proven to be theright one!
Quote from: guevara on July 24, 2009, 09:44:26 AM
I watched him in few games last year including All Ireland Club Final & to me it appears to care more about what he scores than how the team do. Against Cross he mustve hit 6/7 frees you knew he hadn't a hope in hell of putting over but persisted to shoot instead of going short.
I think in Mulligans case it was either Mickeys way or sit on the bench & he has knuckled down & got himself a place in Harte's system of pay, even if it means tracking back 60/70 yards, Im not sure if Vaughan would be prepared to do that.
He comes across as an "off the cuff" player, who is undoubtedly talented naturally but Gaelic Football has evolved massively in past 20 years. Its too much a risk hoping that Vaughan might turn up on day of big game & destroy teams. If he doesnt I don't believe he has the work ethic required to adapt his game when the chips are down & perform a different type of role ie working his b**ls off for the good of the team.
Gilroy has done a good job thus far & has brought Dublin away from the meadia circus created by Pillar & that clown Tommy Lyons.
He must be congratualted on that. Time will tell if this decision has proven to be theright one!
I don't think he is at all naturally talented.
He looks very much like a lad that took up gaelic football late in his life.
He has a massive kick.
Other than free-taking what does he offer at county level?
He can score goals jinxy- his goal scoring record in terms of goals per games is very very good. We're not totally flush with players like that. I'd still worry that a game will come down to a long range place kick.
I agree with Jinxy, I can't for the life of me see where other posters are coming from, an average IC footballer at best, outside of his free taking I wouldn't even consider him for the Dublin panel let alone team.
Indiana you cant't include the guy for simple reason you may get a long range free in the dying minutes!
Look at Bryan Sheehan with Kerry, excellent freetaker (much more consistent & accurate than Vaughan) yet cant seem to get consistent game time as he doesnt do enough in general over 70 mins.
In my opinion Vaughan would rather have "a go" from 60 yards out & score 1 out of 6 & make all the papers than go for the sensible option & less selfish one.
He seems more worried about himself than the team & doesnt do anything over 70 mins to suggest that Pat Gilroy should have him on the field!
Thats all well and good until a game comes down to one. We've been down this road many times before- more so than other counties. We're not flush with forward subs- and he's done well off the bench for Dublin before. I wouldn't pick him but I'd consider him for a 15min slot.
Well all I'll say is having watched him in few games & studied his overall accuracy & shot selection from placed balls I wouldnt like to have £100 on him putting it over unless it was a fairly easy one in front of the posts!
But I agree that at times when introduced to certain games (normally when Dublin are already winning) he can contribute with some lovely scores.
But theres gotta be other guys in Dublin Club Football capable of hitting frees & with a better work ethic than Vaughan??????