#1 is where I'm going wrong
QuoteThe language of love can very, very easily get lost in translation. What may be perfectly acceptable when dating in Ireland can warrant a well-aimed slap in the face in the U.S.
Remember: it was America that invented "dating." It's not an Irish concept – but one that has been imported from across the Atlantic.
And even though it's an American import, the rules for dating in the U.S. differ vastly in many ways than the rules for dating in Ireland.
As such, this brief guide is intended for the Irish male who finds himself at a loss at what to do when dating an American girl.
1. Try not to get too drunk
This especially applies when you are on a first date. Although Irish girls are often fairly unimpressed at the sight of their date slurring his words and talking to inanimate objects, in many cases, it is the Irish girl who is even more drunk than her partner for the evening, so this problem can be avoided, and the Irish male doesn't have to be as careful in not getting too hammered. In general, however, American girls drink far, far less than Irish girls. And they can get pretty disgusted at the sight of their date making a total fool of himself.
This rule is probably the most critical in this guide – but is one that the Irish male typically grapples with the most. Remember: Americans often go on dates that are non-alcohol related – which can involve things such as "cups of coffee" and not going to the pub. The standard response from the Irish male to this activity in this situation might be: But where will my confidence come from?
It must come from within. When the date does take place in a pub or bar, the Irish male should take care to remember that the graph showing the relationship between pints and charm looks like this: it goes upwards initially, levels off after about three or four, and then at about six pints it takes a dramatic nosedive. In other words, it usually takes about six drinks before charm turns into sleaze.
2. Pay for everything
The U.S. may be the birthplace of the modern feminist movement, but when it comes to picking up the tab for drinks and dinner, American females are thoroughly old-fashioned. American girls will inevitably expect you to at least offer to pay for dinner, and if you do offer, most will gladly accept. The same goes for drinks. If you are on a first date, and you don't offer to foot the bill, don't expect a second. It doesn't matter that she is better educated than you, earns more than you and is likely to outlive you. She'll still expect you to pay. That's just how it is.
3. Play up the accent
If you have a fairly neutral Irish accent, then scrap it quickly – you won't sound very "Irish" to the American girl you are trying to impress. Go and watch "Darby O'Gill and the Little People," and try to talk like some of the characters in that movie. Sure, you won't sound genuinely Irish – simply because no one in Ireland talks like that – but the girl you are on a date with won't know that, and probably thinks that everyone in Ireland talks like Sean Connery in the 1959 classic.
Throw in a few Irish expressions here and there – even ones we don't really use, like, "To be sure, To be sure." Add a few more that you know the girl won't understand, thus making her curious, playing up your Irishness and impressing her.
4. Think of non-alcohol related date activities
Be creative in where you take her. Remember (as per point one) that Americans are not nearly as pub-centric as Irish people and don't need alcohol at every social occasion. Take her to an art exhibition and impress her with your knowledge of the early modernist period...
5. Be chivalrous
You don't have to put your coat over a puddle of water on the sidewalk so she doesn't wet her shoes, but you do have to hold doors open, pay for drinks (see point two), pull out her chair and so on. As a rule, you can't go wrong with chivalry with American women.
6. Try not to talk about your mother
Yes, it is hard being away from home and yes, no one makes bacon and cabbage like your mother can, but try to keep these details to yourself. If you go on too much about your mother, you will reconfirm a stereotype that your date probably already has about Irish guys and their mammies. So keep the mum discussion to a minimum. On the other hand, your date may be relieved to hear that your mother has no interest in being her new best friend.
7. Make vague references to a troubled past
Some Americans have a romantic idea of Irish people as inherently troubled. This may make you seem more attractive in the eyes of the American you are pursuing, so play this up. If you had quite an idyllic childhood, then fabricate. Come out with lines like: "I remember the day the soldiers came to the village...They took every last man, woman and child...The screams, I still hear the screams..." before gazing away sadly into the distance. Refuse to elaborate, adding to your mystique.
8. Don't forget where you are from
Your true Irish character might frighten them, but that's okay. You do not need to pretend you are the personality that they would imagine an Irish person to be. Let your bitterness, begrudgery and down-to-earthiness shine. You might lose her, but you will still be YOU.
:D :D very good Gab..would you not need a guide to dating an canadian ;)
#9. Try to hide your surprise (delight, shock, whatever you want to call it) when the underwear come off and its like looking at a shiny bald chrome mirror.
#10. Play up to her great intrigue before you sleep with her that youre "a little different down there, and maybe not what shes used to".
Yea puck thats one thing i love about the yankee women ;)
Gad aren't you in Canada? I'd say thinking they are yanks is where your going wrong .
;)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 10, 2009, 12:22:33 AM
Throw in a few Irish expressions here and there – even ones we don't really use, like, "To be sure, To be sure." Add a few more that you know the girl won't understand, thus making her curious, playing up your Irishness and impressing her.
:D
'Dating' really is an American thing, isn't it? A Noo Yawk friend of mine in college pointed out to me that in high school everyone is 'dating'. You many only spend a hour or two a week with a female friend but you'll both agree to be 'dating' to avoid the social stigma of seing 'single'. Buffy the Vampire Slayer made much more sense after that
Rule 1 applies to French girls as well, which i found out much to my dismay at the weekend. It was all going fine until we nipped into the Irish pub and there was a band belting out the tunes, it all went down hill fairly fast.
I reckon i can hit the sleaze button within 3 pints!
Now there's an interesting project for someone....maybe even a dissertation.....
"Compare and contrast the behaviour of your typical American Gal as described above.....and that of the Holyland Mucksavage with the Guinness stained Tyrone Jersey".
Quote from: ludermor on July 10, 2009, 10:05:19 AM
I reckon i can hit the sleaze button within 3 pints!
some people just cant turn it off lad
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 10, 2009, 10:58:30 AM
Now there's an interesting project for someone....maybe even a dissertation.....
"Compare and contrast the behaviour of your typical American Gal as described above.....and that of the Holyland Mucksavage with the Guinness stained Tyrone Jersey".
Christ, yes. My wife was in the tail end of her BA in Liverpool when I met her. The sight of a trio of Tyrone (or any one of the Six) lassies striding through the halls with their GAA shirts on, daring any Sassenach to cross their path . . . *shudder*
Quote from: ludermor on July 10, 2009, 10:05:19 AM
I reckon i can hit the sleaze button within 3 pints!
"i hear ya".............
wonder who does it the best.............me or you?
Quote from: leenie on July 10, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: ludermor on July 10, 2009, 10:05:19 AM
I reckon i can hit the sleaze button within 3 pints!
"i hear ya".............
wonder who does it the best.............me or you?
Is that an offer or a challange :o
There's a couple of good tips you could take form the Hardy Bucks speed dating:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwETTGIt45c&feature=related
Quote from: ludermor on July 10, 2009, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: leenie on July 10, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: ludermor on July 10, 2009, 10:05:19 AM
I reckon i can hit the sleaze button within 3 pints!
"i hear ya".............
wonder who does it the best.............me or you?
Is that an offer or a challange :o
a challenge............... 8)
Quote from: MadMayo on July 10, 2009, 12:07:57 PM
There's a couple of good tips you could take form the Hardy Bucks speed dating:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwETTGIt45c&feature=related
Talking about "Straight in, no kissing." Them guys are funny :D
Quote from: illdecide on July 10, 2009, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: MadMayo on July 10, 2009, 12:07:57 PM
There's a couple of good tips you could take form the Hardy Bucks speed dating:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwETTGIt45c&feature=related
Talking about "Straight in, no kissing." Them guys are funny :D
'I wont lie to ya noreen ive had a few pints today'
"I was too randy,and too drunk" :D
Been there myself :)
So that's where I'm going wrong..
Your not supposed to take them out and get completely slaughtered to the stage where you can hardly remember her name or talk at all never mind in a Irish accent.... :D
Reminds me of long ago - New York 1987.
Myself and another Paddy were slowly getting drunker in a pub and talking shite, as you do.
This blonde one came up and said we must be poets as she was earwigging our conversation.
She disappeared before we could react!
But I suppose at that stage the spirit may have been willing but the soldier may not have saluted.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 10, 2009, 06:29:32 PM
Reminds me of long ago - New York 1987.
Myself and another Paddy were slowly getting drunker in a pub and talking shite, as you do.
This blonde one came up and said we must be poets as she was earwigging our conversation.
She disappeared before we could react!
But I suppose at that stage the spirit may have been willing but the soldier may not have saluted.
Ach now come on SS, that story doesn't sit right at all! Much more likely...you thought ye were pulling and instead passed out on the bar, and she went off with the other poet :)
Quote from: Puckoon on July 10, 2009, 04:46:02 AM
#9. Try to hide your surprise (delight, shock, whatever you want to call it) when the underwear come off and its like looking at a shiny bald chrome mirror.
#10. Play up to her great intrigue before you sleep with her that youre "a little different down there, and maybe not what shes used to".
Good ones.
Funny line about #9 in the Sopranos, where all the old gangsters get out of jail and are enjoying the delights of an evening the Bing. When asked about the biggest change they've noticed in the last 20 years since they came out, it is the shaved nether regions of the entertainers that is number 1.
Think it would take me a while to get used to a more hirsute pleasure zone on a lady again, haven't seen one in while, are they all like that in Ireland still?
Some of them here are indeed fascinated with number #10. Lines such as 'Oh look it's so cute, it got its own little tent' are funny, but not the kind of fear and respect you would want to inspire really!
Well, actually, ......there is the real version....there was 3 of us and one copped off and left the two poets, Kavanagh-like, cursing the stoney grey soil of Monaghan.
Quote from: tyssam5 on July 10, 2009, 09:40:33 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on July 10, 2009, 04:46:02 AM
#9. Try to hide your surprise (delight, shock, whatever you want to call it) when the underwear come off and its like looking at a shiny bald chrome mirror.
#10. Play up to her great intrigue before you sleep with her that youre "a little different down there, and maybe not what shes used to".
Good ones.
Funny line about #9 in the Sopranos, where all the old gangsters get out of jail and are enjoying the delights of an evening the Bing. When asked about the biggest change they've noticed in the last 20 years since they came out, it is the shaved nether regions of the entertainers that is number 1.
Think it would take me a while to get used to a more hirsute pleasure zone on a lady again, haven't seen one in while, are they all like that in Ireland still?
Some of them here are indeed fascinated with number #10. Lines such as 'Oh look it's so cute, it got its own little tent' are funny, but not the kind of fear and respect you would want to inspire really!
Aren't they just? :D :D :D :D