Here goes. Same criteria as the other threads on Leinster and Connacht.
Your best 15 Ulster players from the last 25 years. (Roughly in their own positions.)
Mine are:
1. Mickey McVeigh
2. Tony Scullion
3. Barry Owens
4. Kieran McKeever
5. Henry Downey
6. Kieran McGeeney
7. DJ Kane
8. Anthony Tohill
9. Paul McGrane
10. Brian McGuigan
11. Greg Blaney
12. James McCartan
13. Mickey Linden
14. Peter Canavan
15. Steven McDonnell
One for the old fogies here.
Would it be fair to say there have been few standout keepers in Ulster over that period?
Quote from: corn02 on May 29, 2009, 11:25:39 AM
One for the old fogies here.
Would it be fair to say there have been few standout keepers in Ulster over that period?
Have to agree there Corn.....still reckon McVeigh was pick of the bunch.
5 Sams - can you put up a selection for each position?
Trying to stick to best positions as much as possible.
D McCusker
K McKeever C Gormley T Scullion
J McGurk K McGeeney P Jordan
Tohill & E McKenna
G Blaney M McHugh S O'Neill
M Linden F McGuigan P Canavan
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 29, 2009, 11:35:31 AM
5 Sams - can you put up a selection for each position?
Wiil do Dinny.....might be later on though cos they're making me work in here today.... :-[
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Here goes. Same criteria as the other threads on Leinster and Connacht.
Your best 15 Ulster players from the last 25 years. (Roughly in their own positions.)
Mine are:
1. Mickey McVeigh
2. Tony Scullion
3. Barry Owens
4. Kieran McKeever
5. Henry Downey
6. Kieran McGeeney
7. DJ Kane
8. Anthony Tohill
9. Paul McGrane
10. Brian McGuigan
11. Greg Blaney
12. James McCartan
13. Mickey Linden
14. Peter Canavan
15. Steven McDonnell
Wouldnt have B Mc guigan in there just yet
B Mc Alinden
K Mc Keever
F Bellew
T Scullion
M Mc Quillan
K Mc Geeney
A Tohill
P Mc Grane
A Mc Cann
G Blaney
M Mc Hugh
O Mc Conville
M Linden
P Canavan
S Mc Donnell
B Tierney
K McKeever T Scullion
J McGurk H Downey K McGeeney
Tohill & E McKenna
M McHugh G Blaney S O'Neill
M Linden F McGuigan P Canavan
No standout full back consistent over the period
McDonell has never been top scorer in an Ulster Championship year and to think in his career how many times Armagh have won it.
Just do a search for the last time we did this
1. Mickey McVeigh
2. Tony Scullion
3. Barry Owens
4. Paul Higgins
5. Conor Gormley
6. Kieran McGeeney
7. Henry Downey
8. Anthony Tohill
9. Barry Breen
10. Brian Dooher
11. Brian McGuigan
12. Greg Blaney
13. Peter Canavan
14. Mickey Linden
15. James McCartan
Wouldn't be much point in punting high balls into that forward line.
Stephen McDonnell, Kieran McKeever, Dermot McCabe, Tony Boyle, Paul McGrane and Martin McHugh could easily find their ways in.
impossible task
no paddy bradley, enda muldoon, sean cavanagh?????
Paddy Bradley 2nd highest scorer in Ulster at the minute and is odds on to overtake Oisin and no inclusion?
T Fearon - Bellew and A McCann??? Are your serious?
I only remember the past 15/16 years so can't have a go myself but those 2 would be nowhere near my team of the past 10.
forgot clean about Cavanagh. Barry Breen just got the chop.
Ronan Clarke not getting a mention here
Ronan Clarke not worthy of a mention here
What? Young player of the year in 02 (In his debut year) and 2 all stars since,
Everyone can name players from their own counties who are worthy of inclusion. Everyone will side with their own county man when its a close call. Pointless exercise.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on May 29, 2009, 11:50:33 AM
McDonell has never been top scorer in an Ulster Championship year and to think in his career how many times Armagh have won it.
And this means whatexactly??! he rarely took free kicks in the championship and was in the same side as the top scorer in the history of Ulster football for all but 1 of those years, Mr McConville. He is the top goal scorer in Ulster football history as far as I remember tho, so I think his credentials can hardly be called into question. ::)
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Quote from: Mid Mon on May 29, 2009, 02:46:06 PM
Ronan Clarke not worthy of a mention here
SSsssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhh.................. this grown up talk now, go back to eating plasticine and dribbling...
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer
ever in the championship.
Lot of boys just coming on here for a moan.....why not submit your 15 and THEN tell us why you picked it instead of just whingin :-\
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer ever in the championship.
So you honestly think that alone justifies him being in the team?
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer ever in the championship.
So you honestly think that alone justifies him being in the team?
If he played for a more successful team that won several All-Irelands then I've no doubt he would be a contender.
That stat alone is nothing to be frowned upon.
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer ever in the championship.
So you honestly think that alone justifies him being in the team?
The fact he has also won an all star, been runner up 4 times, Irish News Ulster all star 5 times, been Highest scorer in Ulster 3 times and 2nd highest once in the past 8 years despite only appearing in one Ulster Final and 2 AI semis
1)Sean McGreevy
2)Kieran McKeever
3)Conor Gormley
4)Tony Scullion
5)Henry Downey
6)Kieran McGeeney
7)DJ Kane
8)Anthony Tohill
9)Eugene McKenna
10)Brian Dooher
11)Greg Blaney
12)Martin McHugh
13)Mickey Linden
14)Peter Canavan
15)Nudie Hughes
I like these threads, but I think one of the difficulties is when comparing players from yesteryear and the current crop we tend to be hard on today's players.
When remembering the oler players, you only think of the fond memories, you remember the highlights but block out the day in Lurgan he didn;t want to know etc.
Tough for Bradley and Clarke because someone will inevitably say, sure he was marked out of last year's qf or something.
Might be a better idea to pick the best 15 from outside your own county
Perhaps we could start with the certanties:
Scullion
McKeever
McKeeney
Tohill
Linden
Canavan
I would have Dooher & Oisin in there as well corn
Quote from: corn02 on May 29, 2009, 04:13:04 PM
Perhaps we could start with the certanties:
Scullion
McKeever
McKeeney
Tohill
Linden
Canavan
Never heard of this McKeeney fella, where's he from.
Quote from: corn02 on May 29, 2009, 04:13:04 PM
Perhaps we could start with the certanties:
Scullion
McKeever
McKeeney
Tohill
Linden
Canavan
Blaney
Quote from: full back on May 29, 2009, 04:14:38 PM
I would have Dooher & Oisin in there as well corn
Henry Downey?
As a Derry man I'd have Dooher ahead of Downey.
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 29, 2009, 04:13:04 PM
Perhaps we could start with the certanties:
Scullion
McKeever
McKeeney
Tohill
Linden
Canavan
Blaney
Yes, I would have him as a certainty also.
So we have
Scullion
McKeever
McGeeney
Tohill
Linden
Canavan
Dooher
Oisin
Blaney
Has there been any real stand out goal keepers? Usually one of the hardest position to fill in a greats team.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer ever in the championship.
So you honestly think that alone justifies him being in the team?
Well I'd love to say Nudie Hughes would be in there, he's achieved much more than Bradley, but he probably won't as he's no All-Ireland. Bradley has been one of Ulster's finest forwards this decade but in the team of the last 25 years? Sorry but no.
The fact he has also won an all star, been runner up 4 times, Irish News Ulster all star 5 times, been Highest scorer in Ulster 3 times and 2nd highest once in the past 8 years despite only appearing in one Ulster Final and 2 AI semis
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Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer ever in the championship.
So you honestly think that alone justifies him being in the team?
Well I'd love to say Nudie Hughes would be in there, he's achieved much more than Bradley, but he probably won't as he's no All-Ireland. Bradley has been one of Ulster's finest forwards this decade but in the team of the last 25 years? Sorry but no.
The fact he has also won an all star, been runner up 4 times, Irish News Ulster all star 5 times, been Highest scorer in Ulster 3 times and 2nd highest once in the past 8 years despite only appearing in one Ulster Final and 2 AI semis
There is room for 6 forwards Schite ;)
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
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Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer ever in the championship.
So you honestly think that alone justifies him being in the team?
Well I'd love to say Nudie Hughes would be in there, he's achieved much more than Bradley, but he probably won't as he's no All-Ireland. Bradley has been one of Ulster's finest forwards this decade but in the team of the last 25 years? Sorry but no.
The fact he has also won an all star, been runner up 4 times, Irish News Ulster all star 5 times, been Highest scorer in Ulster 3 times and 2nd highest once in the past 8 years despite only appearing in one Ulster Final and 2 AI semis
There is room for 6 forwards Schite ;)
Fiesty one you are!
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer ever in the championship.
So you honestly think that alone justifies him being in the team?
Well I'd love to say Nudie Hughes would be in there, he's achieved much more than Bradley, but he probably won't as he's no All-Ireland. Bradley has been one of Ulster's finest forwards this decade but in the team of the last 25 years? Sorry but no.
The fact he has also won an all star, been runner up 4 times, Irish News Ulster all star 5 times, been Highest scorer in Ulster 3 times and 2nd highest once in the past 8 years despite only appearing in one Ulster Final and 2 AI semis
There is room for 6 forwards Schite ;)
Yeah but do you think Bradley is in the top 6 of the last 25 years? Anyway, I wouldn't think they will shoehorn in corner-forwards in the half-forward line just for the sake of it.
Quote from: corn02 on May 29, 2009, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 29, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
The likes of Bradley won't get a look in here, look at who he's contending with.
Like I said, 8 points off being top Ulster Scorer ever in the championship.
So you honestly think that alone justifies him being in the team?
Well I'd love to say Nudie Hughes would be in there, he's achieved much more than Bradley, but he probably won't as he's no All-Ireland. Bradley has been one of Ulster's finest forwards this decade but in the team of the last 25 years? Sorry but no.
The fact he has also won an all star, been runner up 4 times, Irish News Ulster all star 5 times, been Highest scorer in Ulster 3 times and 2nd highest once in the past 8 years despite only appearing in one Ulster Final and 2 AI semis
There is room for 6 forwards Schite ;)
Fiesty one you are!
Will???
PB is a full forward.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 04:42:57 PM
PB is a full forward.
:D You know what I mean! Just saying I think winning no All-Ireland will go against the likes of Nudie and Bradley.
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Scullion
McKeever
McGeeney
Tohill
Linden
Canavan
Dooher
Oisin
Blaney
Sean Cavanagh has to be a certainty aswell. What is it now? 4 All-Star awards and counting.
I'm surprised SON isn't being mentioned, the best current footballer by a country mile in Ireland IMO (when fit) and a better footballer than every forward I've seen in Ulster bar Canavan and possibly Linden.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 04:22:41 PM
Has there been any real stand out goal keepers? Usually one of the hardest position to fill in a greats team.
An argument could be made for Brian McAlinden. However I would pick either Sean McGreevy (Antrim) or James Reilly (Cavan).
Impossible to do without a shortlist, so here goes.
Antrim. Sean McGreevy, Alex McQuillan.
Armagh. McAlinden, John Corvan, Martin McQuillan, McGeeney, McGrane, McDonnell, Clarke. (no McConville)
Cavan. James Reilly, McCabe, Jim Reilly
Derry. McKeever, Scullion, H. Downey, Tohill, Bradley, Muldoon, Doherty
Donegal. M.McHugh, T. Boyle
Down. Blaney, Linden, G. McCartan, J McCartan, Breen
Fermanagh. McGinnity, Owens, Marty McGrath
Tyrone. McKenna, F. McGuigan, P. Canavan, P. Jordan, S. Cavanagh, B. Dooher, B. McGuigan, S. O'Neill
37 bodies - I'll whittle her down later.
How can Oisin be left out? He is far and away the all time Ulster record Championship scorer? Made a far greater contribution over a far longer period than John Corvan who was largely a huge talent unfulfilled and never made any impact whatsoever on important Armagh games like the Ulster MFC Final of 1977 the NFL Finals of 1983 and 1985, or the Ulster Final of 1984 when Mc Guigan stole his thunder big time. ???
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2009, 12:24:11 PM
How can Oisin be left out? He is far and away the all time Ulster record Championship scorer? Made a far greater contribution over a far longer period than John Corvan who was largely a huge talent unfulfilled and never made any impact whatsoever on important Armagh games like the Ulster MFC Final of 1977 the NFL Finals of 1983 and 1985, or the Ulster Final of 1984 when Mc Guigan stole his thunder big time. ???
Because, in my opinion (and leaving aside Corvan), McDonnell, Clarke, Bradley, Muldoon, M.McHugh, T. Boyle, Blaney, Linden, J McCartan, F. McGuigan, P. Canavan, S. Cavanagh, B. Dooher, B. McGuigan and S. O'Neill were / are better options.
All McConville really did was hit frees and sure Canavan will do that on my team.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on June 02, 2009, 12:31:53 PM
All McConville really did was hit frees and sure Canavan will do that on my team.
what??? go back to sleep.
Agreed SS2, he wouldn't get in my team ahead of any of the players you named. -
Certs for me
McKeever
Scullion
McGeeney
Tohill
Cavanagh
Blaney
McHugh
Linden
Canavan
Mc Hugh achieved much as did a number of others, but did ny of them make the same impact as say Conor Gormley over the years.
I think Sean Cavanagh will finish his career as the greatest all round footballer the game has ever seen.
Agreed Saffron Sam. I would have big Finbar in there for nets.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 02, 2009, 01:36:11 PM
Agreed Saffron Sam. I would have big Finbar in there for nets.
possibly the shout of the week. big hoor that he was lol!
Michael McVeigh
Kieran McKeever
Matt Gallagher
Tony Scullion
Kieran McGeeny
Henry Downey
Philip Jordan
Paul McGrane
Anthony Tohill
Enda Muldoon
Martin McHugh
Gregg Blaney
Paddy Bradley
Peter Canavan
Steven ONeil
Finbar McConnell
Kieran McKeever
Francie Bellew
Ryan McMenamin
Kieran McGeeny
Henry Downey
Philip Jordan
Greg McCartan
Anthony Tohill
Brian Dooher
Enda Muldoon
Mickey Linden
Paddy Bradley
Peter Canavan
Steven O' Neill
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Here goes. Same criteria as the other threads on Leinster and Connacht.
Your best 15 Ulster players from the last 25 years. (Roughly in their own positions.)
Mine are:
1. Mickey McVeigh
2. Tony Scullion
3. Barry Owens
4. Kieran McKeever
5. Henry Downey
6. Kieran McGeeney
7. DJ Kane
8. Anthony Tohill
9. Paul McGrane
10. Brian McGuigan
11. Greg Blaney
12. James McCartan
13. Mickey Linden
14. Peter Canavan
15. Steven McDonnell
of course 5 sams what should we expect, Down 2 allirelands in the last 25 years = 5 players!
Tyrone 3 All irelands, one final and 3 semifinals in the last 25 years = 2 players ::)
Quote from: cadhlancian on June 02, 2009, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Here goes. Same criteria as the other threads on Leinster and Connacht.
Your best 15 Ulster players from the last 25 years. (Roughly in their own positions.)
Mine are:
1. Mickey McVeigh
2. Tony Scullion
3. Barry Owens
4. Kieran McKeever
5. Henry Downey
6. Kieran McGeeney
7. DJ Kane
8. Anthony Tohill
9. Paul McGrane
10. Brian McGuigan
11. Greg Blaney
12. James McCartan
13. Mickey Linden
14. Peter Canavan
15. Steven McDonnell
of course 5 sams what should we expect, Down 2 allirelands in the last 25 years = 5 players!
Tyrone 3 All irelands, one final and 3 semifinals in the last 25 years = 2 players ::)
2 all irelands without the aid of the back door
Downs 2 coincided with the kingdom being on the wane, feck me in 91 the played against Pat Spillane and Eoin Listen both over 40 - a joke. most Down men I know accept that. Tyrones last 3 wins involve a fine Kerry team with multiple all ireland capability that simply cant and wont beat us. Undoubtedly the first decade of the new millenium will be remembered by GAA historiams as even more significant than the 1970s so called golden era. Lets put it another way a good kerry team normally wins sam but in the 70s they didnt get it all their own way yet they still dominated bigtime. Step forward to 2009 and kick the dubs out of your equation and put Tyrone in, challenging the kingdoms powerful football, their slick pr machine and their animal supporters (sheehy) and replacing them at the top of the tree. If I had one regret for the last decade is that so few people are intelligent enough to realise that they are living through history and there are so few intelligent analysts who can at least tell those people to remember where they were when Canavan scored that delicate daisycutter, when Mulligan scored the finest goal any living gael has been lucky to witness or when wee Dooher rode Big Dara O Ses kockout clothesline shoulder to steer over the greatest point ever seen in an all ireland final. I was lucky enough that my da appreciated real class and took me along to see the great Kerry team, of the early 80s, I suggest if we are unsure about the current players that we ask someone older and wiser and they will tell us.
Here is a list of all the Ulster Allstars of the last 25 years.
I have highlighted the ones who have won player of the year or have won 3 or more awards. They should be the ones on the cert list.
Armagh
Ger Houlihan (93),
Kieran McGeeney (99 00 02FOTY),
Diarmuid Marsden (99),
Oisin McConville (00 02),
Enda McNulty (02),
Aidan O'Rourke (02),
Paul McGrane (02 05),
Stephen McDonnell (02 03FOTY 05),
Francis Bellew (03),
Andy Mallon (05),
Rónán Clarke (06 08).
Down
Liam Austin (83),
Greg Blaney (83 91 94),
James McCartan (90 94),
Conor Deegan (91),
Barry Breen (91),
Ross Carr (91),
Michael Magill (94),
Paul Higgins (94),
D.J.Kane (94),
Greg McCartan (94),
Micky Linden (94FOTY),
Donegal
Martin McHugh (83 92),
Joyce McMullan (90),
Gary Walsh (92),
Matt Gallagher (92),
Martin Gavigan (92),
Anthony Molloy (92),
James McHugh (92),
Tony Boyle (92), J
ohn Joe Doherty (93),
Kevin Cassidy (02),
Adrian Sweeney (03),
Karl Lacey (06);
Tyrone
Eugene McKenna (84 86 89),
Frank McGuigan (84),
John Lynch (86),
Plunkett Donaghy (86),
Damian O'Hagan (86),
Peter Canavan (94 95FOTY 96 02 03 05),
Fay Devlin (95),
Finbar McConnell (96)
Stephen O'Neill (01 05 FOTY),
Cormac McAnallen (03),
Conor Gormley (03 05 08),
Phillip Jordan (03 05 08),
Sean Cavanagh (03 04 05 08 FOTY),
Brian Dooher (03 05 08),
Brian McGuigan (03),
Ryan McMenamin (05),
Eoin Mulligan (05),
Justin McMahon (08)
David Harte (08),
Enda McGinley (08),
Derry
Dermot McNicholl (84),
Tony Scullion (87 92 93 95),
Brian McGilligan (87 93),
Anthony Tohill (92 93 95 00),
Enda Gormley (92 93),
Johnny McGurk (93),
Henry Downey (93FOTY),
Gary Coleman (93),
Joe Brolly (96 97),
Seán Marty Lockhart (98),
Kieran McKeever (00),
Enda Muldoon (04),
Kevin McCloy (07),
Paddy Bradley (07),
Monaghan
Cathal Murray (85),
Eugene Hughes (85 88),
Ray McCarron (86),
Paddy Linden (88),
Tomás Freeman (07)
Cavan
Dermot McCabe (97),
Fermanagh
Barry Owens (04 06),
Martin McGrath (04),
Stall the Bailer...
Mickey Linden was player of the Year in 1994......for feck get your stats right will you ;)
Clarke won young footballer of the year in 02, along with 2 all stars. this could merit his name in bold - going by these parameters.
5 sams - i updated Mickey's award for 94.
Disclaimer There could be other mistakes as well.
eireogatron - I only mentioned footballer of the year and not young player of the year. I have no doubt Ronan will add another award or two to his total in the near future.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 29, 2009, 01:34:15 PM
Paddy Bradley 2nd highest scorer in Ulster at the minute and is odds on to overtake Oisin and no inclusion?
and he's won what? no sean cavanagh? player of the year, young player of the year. 3 sams!!
Cormac won young player in 2001.
apologies