After watching Match of the Day I must say I would really like to see Middlesborough escape. I think Gareth Southgate is a very honest manager, you never hear any bullshit or mind games coming from him. I also like the way they try to win every game (albeit usually unsuccessfully).
West Brom are doomed obviously, I think I wouldn't mind Sunderland staying up as well.
I don't buy into this whole 'Newcastle are too good to go down' crap. They deserve to be where they are and frankly I don't think it would be any great loss if they went down, hopefully bringing any future career in management for Shearer down with them.
Other than that either Blackburn or Hull for me!
What do you think?
It isn't really realistic though only two of them are gonna go down.
I actually don't think Shearer really looks like he knows what hes doing.
I hope Middlesbrough, Newcastle (and well poor old WBA are gone now aren't they) all go down
Why Middlesborough?
Same reason why I wanted Southampton to go down. They always seem to just about survive or never get above mid-table. That's all.
West Brom are gone again anyway. Hull I think are on a serious slide and all it would take is a win or two each for Newcastle and Boro and that's them going down IMO. Similiar to Reading last year, went on a slide and slid right out of the league.
But that apart, I would enjoy seeing the joke that is Newcastle United FC going down. Normally I would like to see Boro fall, as they are pure midtable non-entities with a half-empty ground, but not this time. Shearer the messiah (or the second messiah, after Keegan) to be exposed as having feet of clay for me.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 18, 2009, 11:39:53 PM
Same reason why I wanted Southampton to go down. They always seem to just about survive or never get above mid-table. That's all.
And now they look set for another drop down to the third tier, with the team that personified midtable shiteness - Charlton - already going down today.
I hope West Brom, Middlesborough and Blackburn go down
Boro cause they usually do well against Man U
B'Burn cause they deserve all they get after appointing Ince at the start of the season
Quote from: Caid on April 18, 2009, 11:45:13 PM
I hope West Brom, Middlesborough and Blackburn go down
Boro cause they usually do well against Man U
B'Burn cause they deserve all they get after appointing Ince at the start of the season
Yeah and then appointing that crooked Cromwell head.
Quote from: hardstation on April 18, 2009, 11:49:36 PM
Norwich, Southampton and Charlton in the shit. Strange that all 3 have been in the Premiership not too long ago.
And just above them are Forest, Barnsley and Coventry, all also late of the Premiership. Leicester are on their way to the Championship again incidentally.
Well as one of the trivia questions last night pointed out, there have been 42 clubs in the Premier League since its inception so its going to be more and more unusual for them all to be in the top 2 flights.
Always like to see the promoted teams stay up but WBA are doomed and Hull are in such bad form that its looking very bleak for them. One win since December and even that was a last minute winner.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on April 18, 2009, 11:57:49 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 18, 2009, 11:49:36 PM
Norwich, Southampton and Charlton in the shit. Strange that all 3 have been in the Premiership not too long ago.
And just above them are Forest, Barnsley and Coventry, all also late of the Premiership. Leicester are on their way to the Championship again incidentally.
That's why teams are so afraid of getting relegated. Once you go into the championship, there's no guarantee that you won't go into freefall. Everyone argues that Newcastle are too big to go down but tell that to any Leeds fan.
Talking of relegation, given the amount of money involved in football these days, do you ever think they'll do away with relegation from the top division and operate the premier league on a franchise basis like they do in rugby league (super league)?
Wouldnt mind seeing Fat Sam and Phil Brown taking Blackburn and Hull down,and they can take their ear pieces and sports science with them.
Quote from: FermPundit on April 19, 2009, 12:03:25 AM
Talking of relegation, given the amount of money involved in football these days, do you ever think they'll do away with relegation from the top division and operate the premier league on a franchise basis like they do in rugby league (super league)?
No
I agree with Ping Pong. Southgate is one of the good guys and while Boro can be poor to watch, I'd warm to them a lot quicker than Newcastle with Shearer and Blackburn. Not sure about Hull - its a real romantic notion that they're in the premiership but Phil Brown is a twat and after linking himself with the England job, it would be funny to see it all go Pete Tong for him.
Ping Pong and Pete Tong in the one post ;D
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 19, 2009, 12:40:20 AM
I agree with Ping Pong. Southgate is one of the good guys and while Boro can be poor to watch, I'd warm to them a lot quicker than Newcastle with Shearer and Blackburn. Not sure about Hull - its a real romantic notion that they're in the premiership but Phil Brown is a t**t and after linking himself with the England job, it would be funny to see it all go Pete Tong for him.
Ping Pong and Pete Tong in the one post ;D
Ding dong
I hope hull die and somebody needs to teach phil brown how to dress himself. That man drives keen insane. Does Gary megson remind any one else of a t**ker?
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Quote from: erne bhoy on April 19, 2009, 01:05:21 AM
I hope hull die and somebody needs to teach phil brown how to dress himself. That man drives keen insane. Does Gary megson remind any one else of a t**ker?
Do you drink often?
Just Domestos by the looks of it
I hope Newcastle stay up as Im a big fan of Shearer's,don't really care about the rest
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 19, 2009, 02:38:41 AM
I hope Newcastle stay up as Im a big fan of Shearer's,don't really care about the rest
I'd like to see them stay up also, they have 50000 plus at home games and good travelling support. Feel sorry for Mowbray, genuine guy trying to have his team play attractive football, but you have to do a STOKE to survive 1st season in premiership.
Quote from: Minder on April 19, 2009, 12:13:26 AM
Wouldnt mind seeing Fat Sam and Phil Brown taking Blackburn and Hull down,and they can take their ear pieces and sports science with them.
I agree with this man. Shit teams and even more shite managers.
Pl GD Pts
14 Portsmouth 32 -13 37
15 Sunderland 33 -12 35
16 Hull 33 -20 34
17 Blackburn 33 -20 34
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18 Middlesbrough 33 -22 31
19 Newcastle 32 -15 30
20 West Brom 32 -31 25
Here is the run-in for the clubs involved:
Sunderland:
West Brom (A)
Everton (H)
Bolton (A)
Portsmouth (A)
Chelsea (H)
Hull:
Liverpool (H)
Aston Villa (A)
Stoke (H)
Bolton (A)
Man Utd (H)
Blackburn:
Wigan (H)
Man City (A)
Portsmouth (H)
Chelsea (A)
West Brom (H)
Middlesborough:
Arsenal (A)
Man Utd (H)
Newscastle (A)
Aston Villa (H)
West Ham (A)
Newcastle:
Tottenham (A) - Today
Portsmouth (H)
Liverpool (A)
Middlesborough (H)
Fulham (H)
Aston Villa (A)
Looking at that, Middlesborough certainly have a very tough run-in. It's going to be very tough if they are going to stay up. I still hope they do it though.
You would have got great odds on Hull to go down back in January. At the moment they are 11-8 with Betfair and 6-5 with Paddypower. Looking at their run-in I can't see where they are going to get the points from so I think there is definitely some value in those odds. But who are they going to replace in the bottom three? Newcastle haven't got an easy ride either, two away games to Liverpool and Villa and obviously the North-East derby with Boro is a huge one. They are evens to stay up but I really don't think they will, theres something lacking there and its about time they got what they deserved.
Despite Middlesborough having probably the toughest run-in, I still think they can do it. Watching them these last few weeks, there is something about the way they are playing, a spirit there that may see them gain some unexpected points against the bigger teams (United hopefully! :P). They are currently 15-8 to avoid the drop with Paddypower but 1/3 at the minute to lay against the drop with Betfair. I think that 3/1 with Betfair for Middlesborough to stay up is worth a tenner from me!
So officially then I am going for West Brom, Newcastle, and Hull to go down. Cromwell head to keep Blackburn up unfortunately.
Hope Hull go down...Don't like trhat wan**r Brown...
Think it's going to be The Baggies, Boro and Hull.
Would like it to be Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United.
Closer to reality I'd like it to be Newcastle plus two. I'd like to see Hull (unlikely) and Stoke (more than likely) stay up.
I agree with the people wanting Hull to go down! Phil Brown thought he was some sort of managerial master mind at the start of the season with all this bollocking his team oon the pitch rubbish - i'm glad its coming back to bite him in the ass with his team showing no fight for him at the moment at all!
Newcastle even more fucked after today's result, not that it bothers me one bit ;D
Quote from: AFS on April 19, 2009, 04:57:53 PM
Newcastle even more fucked after today's result, not that it bothers me one bit ;D
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Quote from: AFS on April 19, 2009, 04:57:53 PM
Newcastle even more fucked after today's result, not that it bothers me one bit ;D
Dunno what happened there. Just saying that their fans are totally delusional in their opinion of themselves as one of the big teams. Big support maybe but they've won next to f**k all in fifty years. For that reason I wouldn't mind seeing them making the drop. I like Shearer though.
Would shed no tears to see Honest Sam Allardyce take the hit also.
I think that Newcastle, West Brom and Hull are goners though.
Newcastle looked doomed at the minute.
There will be some exodus if they do go down with clubs from all over europe likely destinations but what will happen to Owen? What club would be a likely destination for him? Villa or Citee are the only ones I can really think off, as can't see any of the big 4 going for him.
Celtic usually buy players when they are done, so maybe Owen will go to Glasgow. ;)
Quote from: gawa316 on April 19, 2009, 05:18:39 PM
Newcastle looked doomed at the minute.
There will be some exodus if they do go down with clubs from all over europe likely destinations but what will happen to Owen? What club would be a likely destination for him? Villa or Citee are the only ones I can really think off, as can't see any of the big 4 going for him.
I'd be surprised if any of the top six would want him. Seems too content to lift the big cheque so he'll go where the big pay day is.
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Quote from: gawa316 on April 19, 2009, 05:18:39 PM
Newcastle looked doomed at the minute.
There will be some exodus if they do go down with clubs from all over europe likely destinations but what will happen to Owen? What club would be a likely destination for him? Villa or Citee are the only ones I can really think off, as can't see any of the big 4 going for him.
I'd be surprised if any of the top six would want him. Seems too content to lift the big cheque so he'll go where the big pay day is.
big 6 lol
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Quote from: gawa316 on April 19, 2009, 05:18:39 PM
Newcastle looked doomed at the minute.
There will be some exodus if they do go down with clubs from all over europe likely destinations but what will happen to Owen? What club would be a likely destination for him? Villa or Citee are the only ones I can really think off, as can't see any of the big 4 going for him.
I'd be surprised if any of the top six would want him. Seems too content to lift the big cheque so he'll go where the big pay day is.
Spurs it is then.
Even though they always cause United trouble I'd like 'boro to stay up. Southgate mightn't be a great manager but he seems like an honest and decent bloke.
Don't like Allardyce or his son Brown but it would just be hilarious if Newcastle went down. WBA obviously gone.
WBA are down, Hull look doomed and I would like to see Newcastle join them if only to give them a sense of perspective which they are badly missing.
i'd like to see Hull going down,just cause of my personal dislike for the smug phil Brown,who seems to think all of a sudden he is a top level premiership manager and cutting edge, just because he wears an earpiece.
west brom are gone and not that bothered out of boro,newcastle and blackburn who goes, although after his ridiculous rant against rafa, have a slight favouring for big Sam to take the drop
Can't stand Shearer so would be happy to see him fail :-*
I'd like to see Newcastle go down. It would be just what their fans deserve. The delusions of grandeur and never give a manager a chance. They are very quick to boo their players as well. A wee run in a lower division would put them back in their place
West Brom, Newcastle, middlesboro in that order the way it sits in the league at the minute to go down
West Brom - Ill offer 1,000/1 odds on them staying up if anyone wants to take them.
Id love to see newcastle go down especially with Shearer there hes a right arsehole would be delighted to see the saviour coming back just to get on a sinking ship.. im delighted Given is away from them he was far to good a keeper to ever be involved with a club that got relegated, he just got comfortable there cos the fans loved him hes the kind of keeper that should have medals. You dont deserve to be in the premier league just because you have great fans
Think middlesboro will go down and im not that bothered i like southgate a great manager with absoloutly no resources. a club happy to just exist in the premier league and have no ambition to build, the one chance southgate actually got a chance to spend some money and build a team he took them to a uefa cup final.
Quote from: the scenic route on April 20, 2009, 12:42:13 PM
West Brom, Newcastle, middlesboro in that order the way it sits in the league at the minute to go down
West Brom - Ill offer 1,000/1 odds on them staying up if anyone wants to take them.
Id love to see newcastle go down especially with Shearer there hes a right arsehole would be delighted to see the saviour coming back just to get on a sinking ship.. im delighted Given is away from them he was far to good a keeper to ever be involved with a club that got relegated, he just got comfortable there cos the fans loved him hes the kind of keeper that should have medals. You dont deserve to be in the premier league just because you have great fans
Think middlesboro will go down and im not that bothered i like southgate a great manager with absoloutly no resources. a club happy to just exist in the premier league and have no ambition to build, the one chance southgate actually got a chance to spend some money and build a team he took them to a uefa cup final.
No he didn't...
Southgate was playing in that game, not managing
Quote from: nifan on April 20, 2009, 12:59:19 PM
Southgate was playing in that game, not managing
Exactly..McClaren was manager
Quote from: the scenic route on April 20, 2009, 12:42:13 PM
West Brom, Newcastle, middlesboro in that order the way it sits in the league at the minute to go down
West Brom - Ill offer 1,000/1 odds on them staying up if anyone wants to take them.
Id love to see newcastle go down especially with Shearer there hes a right arsehole would be delighted to see the saviour coming back just to get on a sinking ship.. im delighted Given is away from them he was far to good a keeper to ever be involved with a club that got relegated, he just got comfortable there cos the fans loved him hes the kind of keeper that should have medals. You dont deserve to be in the premier league just because you have great fans
Think middlesboro will go down and im not that bothered i like southgate a great manager with absoloutly no resources. a club happy to just exist in the premier league and have no ambition to build, the one chance southgate actually got a chance to spend some money and build a team he took them to a uefa cup final.
Cant let you have that one.........
My mistake sorry....
And also maybe not a great manager but surely you concede done well up until now with what has been available to him..
I think Newcastle will have about just enough to stay up. I hate their fans attitude, they feel as if they belong in the top league and this obviously isnt the case.
Hull are goners, along with middlesboro and west brom.
Hull are well & truely fcuked
Hardest run in of the lot
west brom are down by the looks of it and i would like to see newcastle and blackburn go down. sick listening to how newcastle have the best fans and big club etc etc and blackburn because i would love to see big sam fail!
Quote from: full back on April 20, 2009, 03:03:59 PM
Hull are well & truely fcuked
Hardest run in of the lot
Hull pulled a few shocks out of the bag early in the season so dont rule them out yet
Newcastle are in serious shit now after getting nothing off Spurs. They have to win 3 of their last 5. They are home to Portsmouth, Middlesboro and Fulham and away to Liverpool and Villa. Can't see them getting anything away, at most a point so that leaves them having to win all 3 home games. They haven't won or scored more than 2 goals in a game since February 7th so winning all 3 home games would take a serious improvement in form. Its hard to see it happening especially with Portsmouth and Middlesboro not safe either.
That was a very valuable 3 points gained by Blackburn this afternoon. 6 points above the drop, it looks like they'll be safe now, unforunately.
It's gonna be two from Sunderland, Hull, Boro', and Newcastle. I'm gonna stick to my earlier prediction and say it's gonna be Newcastle and Hull going down.
Newcastle, Hull and Brom.
All of Hulls points are from pre-christmas.
Newcastle have got a new manager at the wrong time.
And West Brom are Just a yo-yo club!
Looking bad for Newcastle.
They should have been relegated a few year ago for the havoc they wreaked on South East Asia, hundreds of thousands of fatalities. They will pay for it this year.
Minder aka Rodney Marsh
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:09:15 PM
They should have been relegated a few year ago for the havoc they wreaked on South East Asia, hundreds of thousands of fatalities. They will pay for it this year.
Not that one again!
I would be saying Newcastle for the reasons most posters are giving here, except I went to James Park for a match once.
Unbelievable supporters. Desperate for success. Worship their players unlike anything I've seen and remember it is a pretty poor part of the UK. I know you could say the same about Sunderland and Middlesborough but for me Newcastle have given more to the game in terms of excitement and the quality of the players they have produced.
Middlesborough fans once voted Bernie Slaven as it's greatest ever player. They deserve to go down for that.
I hated the little I've seen of Hull this season.
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Gates of less than 15,000 only 15-20 years ago, have a massive superiority complex for a team that have basically won f**k all for best part of 50 years, followed them blindly when Shay Given was keeping them afloat, now I couldn't give a f**k about them.
Looking bad for Newcastle now. Have to go to Liverpool next weekend and it's hard to see them getting anything other than a beating there. Will have three games after that to save themselves.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Gates of less than 15,000 only 15-20 years ago, have a massive superiority complex for a team that have basically won f**k all for best part of 50 years, followed them blindly when Shay Given was keeping them afloat, now I couldn't give a f**k about them.
They were in the old second division from 1989 (20 years ago Doogie) to 1993 when Keegan brought them up and have since consistently had some of the best average attendances in the Premiership, despite having no success.
We all have the Irish love of watching a big name fall but let's not pretend it is anything other than what it is with dubious 'facts'.
The weeks before King Kev took over there average gate was about 15/16,000. I think the attendance in Keegans first game was 29,000. Where were they earlier in the season before the messiah appeared?
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Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Gates of less than 15,000 only 15-20 years ago, have a massive superiority complex for a team that have basically won f**k all for best part of 50 years, followed them blindly when Shay Given was keeping them afloat, now I couldn't give a f**k about them.
They were in the old second division from 1989 (20 years ago Doogie) to 1993 when Keegan brought them up and have since consistently had some of the best average attendances in the Premiership, despite having no success.
We all have the Irish love of watching a big name fall but let's not pretend it is anything other than what it is with dubious 'facts'.
Sorry Muppet, but you have it all wrong with your generalisation, I don't like Newcastle for a variety of reasons (Shearer, Keegan etc for now), their claim to be a 'big club' galls me too and I would be happy to see them go down, much the same way as I would be glad to see Reading go up (0-2 at Norwich tonight), and in the same way I was delighted at Mick McCarthy's Wolves winning the league. We all have our reasons and motives and will differ now and again believe it or not.
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:40:35 PM
The weeks before King Kev took over there average gate was about 15/16,000. I think the attendance in Keegans first game was 29,000. Where were they earlier in the season before the messiah appeared?
What was the average attendance at the bottom of the (then) Division 2?
Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2009, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:40:35 PM
The weeks before King Kev took over there average gate was about 15/16,000. I think the attendance in Keegans first game was 29,000. Where were they earlier in the season before the messiah appeared?
What was the average attendance at the bottom of the (then) Division 2?
Leeds (who are a big club) average over 27,000 in League one (Division three of old money), that is loyalty.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Gates of less than 15,000 only 15-20 years ago, have a massive superiority complex for a team that have basically won f**k all for best part of 50 years, followed them blindly when Shay Given was keeping them afloat, now I couldn't give a f**k about them.
They were in the old second division from 1989 (20 years ago Doogie) to 1993 when Keegan brought them up and have since consistently had some of the best average attendances in the Premiership, despite having no success.
We all have the Irish love of watching a big name fall but let's not pretend it is anything other than what it is with dubious 'facts'.
Sorry Muppet, but you have it all wrong with your generalisation, I don't like Newcastle for a variety of reasons (Shearer, Keegan etc for now), their claim to be a 'big club' galls me too and I would be happy to see them go down, much the same way as I would be glad to see Reading go up (0-2 at Norwich tonight), and in the same way I was delighted at Mick McCarthy's Wolves winning the league. We all have our reasons and motives and will differ now and again believe it or not.
How come the 'who has the biggest Willy?' threads about United, Liverpool or Kerry & Tyrone for that matter can always be answered by the number of titles won, regardless of how long ago? But in this case Newcastle, we must accept, deserve to go down because of Keegan and Shearer. Where is the logic there? Do Newcastle's titles won (albeit in the 50s and before) not count in the 'who has the biggest willy' contest but old united, Liverpool etc ones do?
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:52:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2009, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:40:35 PM
The weeks before King Kev took over there average gate was about 15/16,000. I think the attendance in Keegans first game was 29,000. Where were they earlier in the season before the messiah appeared?
What was the average attendance at the bottom of the (then) Division 2?
Leeds (who are a big club) average over 27,000 in League one (Division three of old money), that is loyalty.
That is comparing today with nearly 20 years ago. It is not comparing like with like.
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Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Gates of less than 15,000 only 15-20 years ago, have a massive superiority complex for a team that have basically won f**k all for best part of 50 years, followed them blindly when Shay Given was keeping them afloat, now I couldn't give a f**k about them.
They were in the old second division from 1989 (20 years ago Doogie) to 1993 when Keegan brought them up and have since consistently had some of the best average attendances in the Premiership, despite having no success.
We all have the Irish love of watching a big name fall but let's not pretend it is anything other than what it is with dubious 'facts'.
Sorry Muppet, but you have it all wrong with your generalisation, I don't like Newcastle for a variety of reasons (Shearer, Keegan etc for now), their claim to be a 'big club' galls me too and I would be happy to see them go down, much the same way as I would be glad to see Reading go up (0-2 at Norwich tonight), and in the same way I was delighted at Mick McCarthy's Wolves winning the league. We all have our reasons and motives and will differ now and again believe it or not.
How come the 'who has the biggest Willy?' threads about United, Liverpool or Kerry & Tyrone for that matter can always be answered by the number of titles won, regardless of how long ago? But in this case Newcastle, we must accept, deserve to go down because of Keegan and Shearer. Where is the logic there? Do Newcastle's titles won (albeit in the 50s and before) not count in the 'who has the biggest willy' contest but old united, Liverpool etc ones do?
I did not say they deserve to go down, but I did admit I would be glad to see them relegated, a massive difference, but the table does not lie so if they are in the bottom 3 come May 24th then yes, they deserve to go down. To use your GAA analogy, Cavan are the joint most succesful Ulster county of all time, but they don't expect to win Sam this year (well they prob do, bless em!).
You have to admit their fans are deluding themselves with their attitude? Keegan bottled it twice and they still would wipe his ass FFS.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2009, 10:54:40 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
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Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Gates of less than 15,000 only 15-20 years ago, have a massive superiority complex for a team that have basically won f**k all for best part of 50 years, followed them blindly when Shay Given was keeping them afloat, now I couldn't give a f**k about them.
They were in the old second division from 1989 (20 years ago Doogie) to 1993 when Keegan brought them up and have since consistently had some of the best average attendances in the Premiership, despite having no success.
We all have the Irish love of watching a big name fall but let's not pretend it is anything other than what it is with dubious 'facts'.
Sorry Muppet, but you have it all wrong with your generalisation, I don't like Newcastle for a variety of reasons (Shearer, Keegan etc for now), their claim to be a 'big club' galls me too and I would be happy to see them go down, much the same way as I would be glad to see Reading go up (0-2 at Norwich tonight), and in the same way I was delighted at Mick McCarthy's Wolves winning the league. We all have our reasons and motives and will differ now and again believe it or not.
How come the 'who has the biggest Willy?' threads about United, Liverpool or Kerry & Tyrone for that matter can always be answered by the number of titles won, regardless of how long ago? But in this case Newcastle, we must accept, deserve to go down because of Keegan and Shearer. Where is the logic there? Do Newcastle's titles won (albeit in the 50s and before) not count in the 'who has the biggest willy' contest but old united, Liverpool etc ones do?
I did not say they deserve to go down, but I did admit I would be glad to see them relegated, a massive difference, but the table does not lie so if they are in the bottom 3 come May 24th then yes, they deserve to go down. To use your GAA analogy, Cavan are the joint most succesful Ulster county of all time, but they don't expect to win Sam this year (well they prob do, bless em!).
You have to admit their fans are deluding themselves with their attitude? Keegan bottled it twice and they still would wipe his ass FFS.
My comments on this thread are not contesting the league table. If Newcastle go down they will have deserved to.
I am merely exploring Irish people's opinions on English clubs that they (and I) know very little about. Have you been to James' Park?
My county has not won an All Ireland in 58 years yet I consider us a contender every year and certainly worthy of our top division status.
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Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Gates of less than 15,000 only 15-20 years ago, have a massive superiority complex for a team that have basically won f**k all for best part of 50 years, followed them blindly when Shay Given was keeping them afloat, now I couldn't give a f**k about them.
They were in the old second division from 1989 (20 years ago Doogie) to 1993 when Keegan brought them up and have since consistently had some of the best average attendances in the Premiership, despite having no success.
We all have the Irish love of watching a big name fall but let's not pretend it is anything other than what it is with dubious 'facts'.
Sorry Muppet, but you have it all wrong with your generalisation, I don't like Newcastle for a variety of reasons (Shearer, Keegan etc for now), their claim to be a 'big club' galls me too and I would be happy to see them go down, much the same way as I would be glad to see Reading go up (0-2 at Norwich tonight), and in the same way I was delighted at Mick McCarthy's Wolves winning the league. We all have our reasons and motives and will differ now and again believe it or not.
How come the 'who has the biggest Willy?' threads about United, Liverpool or Kerry & Tyrone for that matter can always be answered by the number of titles won, regardless of how long ago? But in this case Newcastle, we must accept, deserve to go down because of Keegan and Shearer. Where is the logic there? Do Newcastle's titles won (albeit in the 50s and before) not count in the 'who has the biggest willy' contest but old united, Liverpool etc ones do?
I did not say they deserve to go down, but I did admit I would be glad to see them relegated, a massive difference, but the table does not lie so if they are in the bottom 3 come May 24th then yes, they deserve to go down. To use your GAA analogy, Cavan are the joint most succesful Ulster county of all time, but they don't expect to win Sam this year (well they prob do, bless em!).
You have to admit their fans are deluding themselves with their attitude? Keegan bottled it twice and they still would wipe his ass FFS.
My comments on this thread are not contesting the league table. If Newcastle go down they will have deserved to.
I am merely exploring Irish people's opinions on English clubs that they (and I) know very little about. Have you been to James' Park?
My county has not won an All Ireland in 58 years yet I consider us a contender every year and certainly worthy of our top division status.
Yes, at the match when Bowyer and Dyer battered each other, I enjoyed that too. Great city, shit football club. We are all entitled to opinions and mine is that I do not like Newcastle as a club, I may not have a load of empirical analysis to back this up, but it is based on my 'limited' experience of the team, I also hate Derby County!
Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2009, 10:54:40 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
"Where were you when you were shit ?" is one you could throw at Newcastle fans.
Gates of less than 15,000 only 15-20 years ago, have a massive superiority complex for a team that have basically won f**k all for best part of 50 years, followed them blindly when Shay Given was keeping them afloat, now I couldn't give a f**k about them.
They were in the old second division from 1989 (20 years ago Doogie) to 1993 when Keegan brought them up and have since consistently had some of the best average attendances in the Premiership, despite having no success.
We all have the Irish love of watching a big name fall but let's not pretend it is anything other than what it is with dubious 'facts'.
Sorry Muppet, but you have it all wrong with your generalisation, I don't like Newcastle for a variety of reasons (Shearer, Keegan etc for now), their claim to be a 'big club' galls me too and I would be happy to see them go down, much the same way as I would be glad to see Reading go up (0-2 at Norwich tonight), and in the same way I was delighted at Mick McCarthy's Wolves winning the league. We all have our reasons and motives and will differ now and again believe it or not.
How come the 'who has the biggest Willy?' threads about United, Liverpool or Kerry & Tyrone for that matter can always be answered by the number of titles won, regardless of how long ago? But in this case Newcastle, we must accept, deserve to go down because of Keegan and Shearer. Where is the logic there? Do Newcastle's titles won (albeit in the 50s and before) not count in the 'who has the biggest willy' contest but old united, Liverpool etc ones do?
Again where are these debates? Thats balls.
Listen it's only a bit of craic talking about relegation, were allowed to throw out opinions here without backing them up.
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:09:15 PM
They should have been relegated a few year ago for the havoc they wreaked on South East Asia, hundreds of thousands of fatalities. They will pay for it this year.
Can someone explain that one to me?
Of the four clubs, together with the doomed WBA, still in contention for the drop I'd prefer Boro and Newcastle to go down. Usually when it comes to clubs facing the drop I like to see the ones with the most Irish players staying up. Sunderland and Hull both have a few Irish lads, not many of whom would be picked up by another Premier league club if they were relegated. Between them, Newcastle and Boro only have Duff that I can think of, and he's likely to be able to find another team willing to take him if his club goes down. For these same reasons I'm really hoping Reading win the playoffs.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on April 28, 2009, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2009, 10:09:15 PM
They should have been relegated a few year ago for the havoc they wreaked on South East Asia, hundreds of thousands of fatalities. They will pay for it this year.
Can someone explain that one to me?
Google Rodney Marsh - might give you the answer.
God - not the 'Toon Army' (tsunami) joke again :-\
Quote from: AFS on April 28, 2009, 09:28:34 AM
Of the four clubs, together with the doomed WBA, still in contention for the drop I'd prefer Boro and Newcastle to go down. Usually when it comes to clubs facing the drop I like to see the ones with the most Irish players staying up. Sunderland and Hull both have a few Irish lads, not many of whom would be picked up by another Premier league club if they were relegated. Between them, Newcastle and Boro only have Duff that I can think of, and he's likely to be able to find another team willing to take him if his club goes down. For these same reasons I'm really hoping Reading win the playoffs.
If they beat Birmingham on Sunday (please god they do) they could go up automatically.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 28, 2009, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: AFS on April 28, 2009, 09:28:34 AM
Of the four clubs, together with the doomed WBA, still in contention for the drop I'd prefer Boro and Newcastle to go down. Usually when it comes to clubs facing the drop I like to see the ones with the most Irish players staying up. Sunderland and Hull both have a few Irish lads, not many of whom would be picked up by another Premier league club if they were relegated. Between them, Newcastle and Boro only have Duff that I can think of, and he's likely to be able to find another team willing to take him if his club goes down. For these same reasons I'm really hoping Reading win the playoffs.
If they beat Birmingham on Sunday (please god they do) they could go up automatically.
They need help from Warnock & Crystal Palace though against Sheffield United.
Quote from: Minder on April 28, 2009, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 28, 2009, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: AFS on April 28, 2009, 09:28:34 AM
Of the four clubs, together with the doomed WBA, still in contention for the drop I'd prefer Boro and Newcastle to go down. Usually when it comes to clubs facing the drop I like to see the ones with the most Irish players staying up. Sunderland and Hull both have a few Irish lads, not many of whom would be picked up by another Premier league club if they were relegated. Between them, Newcastle and Boro only have Duff that I can think of, and he's likely to be able to find another team willing to take him if his club goes down. For these same reasons I'm really hoping Reading win the playoffs.
If they beat Birmingham on Sunday (please god they do) they could go up automatically.
They need help from Warnock & Crystal Palace though against Sheffield United.
I think Neil will have his team well up for that one!
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 28, 2009, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 28, 2009, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 28, 2009, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: AFS on April 28, 2009, 09:28:34 AM
Of the four clubs, together with the doomed WBA, still in contention for the drop I'd prefer Boro and Newcastle to go down. Usually when it comes to clubs facing the drop I like to see the ones with the most Irish players staying up. Sunderland and Hull both have a few Irish lads, not many of whom would be picked up by another Premier league club if they were relegated. Between them, Newcastle and Boro only have Duff that I can think of, and he's likely to be able to find another team willing to take him if his club goes down. For these same reasons I'm really hoping Reading win the playoffs.
If they beat Birmingham on Sunday (please god they do) they could go up automatically.
They need help from Warnock & Crystal Palace though against Sheffield United.
I think Neil will have his team well up for that one!
If Sheffield United don't go up it will greatly help Neils court case against West Ham, so expect a war in that game :-\
Just Mu luck, on a stag in Newcastle on the day of their last home game to Fulham. Either they'll win and look like staying up or they'll be down and the place will be like a wake. I'm sure we'll manage somehow though ;D
QuoteMiddlesborough fans once voted Bernie Slaven as it's greatest ever player. They deserve to go down for that.
Load of balls, Juninho was voted greatest ever player. I'd go for Brian Clough myself.
If Hull keep losing and Boro pick up 3 points at Sid James Park I reckon Boro could just about manage it. That does not hide the fact that Southgate is seriously lacking in most departments.
Newcastle is a great city for a night out but the Geordies are the most deluded fans on the face of the earth, if they go down they might just realise where there team is in the scheme of things.
It's Middles
BROUGH by the way.
I fancy boro to take 1 or 3 points of utd on sat morning, bearing in mind utd will have played a big euro game on wed nite.
Quote from: No1 on April 28, 2009, 11:28:47 AM
QuoteMiddlesborough fans once voted Bernie Slaven as it's greatest ever player. They deserve to go down for that.
Load of balls, Juninho was voted greatest ever player. I'd go for Brian Clough myself.
If Hull keep losing and Boro pick up 3 points at Sid James Park I reckon Boro could just about manage it. That does not hide the fact that Southgate is seriously lacking in most departments.
Newcastle is a great city for a night out but the Geordies are the most deluded fans on the face of the earth, if they go down they might just realise where there team is in the scheme of things.
It's MiddlesBROUGH by the way.
This may be hard to imagine but there was football before 1995. ::)
Quote from: naka on April 28, 2009, 12:04:31 PM
I fancy boro to take 1 or 3 points of utd on sat morning, bearing in mind utd will have played a big euro game on wed nite.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 28, 2009, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 28, 2009, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 28, 2009, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: AFS on April 28, 2009, 09:28:34 AM
Of the four clubs, together with the doomed WBA, still in contention for the drop I'd prefer Boro and Newcastle to go down. Usually when it comes to clubs facing the drop I like to see the ones with the most Irish players staying up. Sunderland and Hull both have a few Irish lads, not many of whom would be picked up by another Premier league club if they were relegated. Between them, Newcastle and Boro only have Duff that I can think of, and he's likely to be able to find another team willing to take him if his club goes down. For these same reasons I'm really hoping Reading win the playoffs.
If they beat Birmingham on Sunday (please god they do) they could go up automatically.
They need help from Warnock & Crystal Palace though against Sheffield United.
I think Neil will have his team well up for that one!
You wouldn't want to be counting on Colin for a favour - ever!
As for Reading and the Irish contingent, I wonder how many will still be there after the summer?
Two goals for Shane Long yesterday. Saw bits of it and he was playing well. But Doyle and Stephen Hunt were only on the bench (no sign of Noel Hunt at all). Stephen Hunt came on in the first half due to an injury, but Doyle remained on the bench for the 90.
Doyle had a great first half of the season but can't buy a goal at the moment. I'd say that's why he is on the bench. He could be just knackered. I thought the Hunt lads were doing well there up until Reading's slump in form?
QuoteThis may be hard to imagine but there was football before 1995.
No shit Sherlock, I'd say Clough didn't play much in 95 ;D
If you can show me a poll from the last 30 years in which Boro fans voted the Wolfman as their greatest ever player I'll buy you as many pints as you like.
No need to be so patronising either......................
Didn't he bare his cheeks in a shop in M'boro a few years ago for a bet?
Aye, the window of Binns Department store in Boro town centre. He said live on air that if Boro beat Utd at Old Trafford he would bare his arse cheeks to the whole of the town.
Boro beat them 3-2, and fair dues to him he went through with it!
Maybe not the greatest ever player but definitely a Boro legend!
Quote from: No1 on April 28, 2009, 01:23:45 PM
QuoteThis may be hard to imagine but there was football before 1995.
No shit Sherlock, I'd say Clough didn't play much in 95 ;D
If you can show me a poll from the last 30 years in which Boro fans voted the Wolfman as their greatest ever player I'll buy you as many pints as you like.
No need to be so patronising either......................
You're the man who started a post with 'load of bollocks' and 'no shit sherlock'.
He was voted 'best ever buy' I believe but you can find a link, he's your 'legend'.
QuoteMiddlesborough fans once voted Bernie Slaven as it's greatest ever player.
So you'd agree that your statement above is wrong (i.e. a load of balls)?
Bernie may well be Boro's best ever buy when you consider the amount of money they have spent on shite players in the last 30 years, but that is a different argument for a different day.
I'd say I was more insulting than patronising but please accept my apologies.
Quote from: No1 on April 29, 2009, 10:30:13 AM
QuoteMiddlesborough fans once voted Bernie Slaven as it's greatest ever player.
So you'd agree that your statement above is wrong (i.e. a load of balls)?
Bernie may well be Boro's best ever buy when you consider the amount of money they have spent on shite players in the last 30 years, but that is a different argument for a different day.
I'd say I was more insulting than patronising but please accept my apologies.
No, I recall reading it in a time before the internet and the Premiership. I was amazed which is why it stuck in my head. I have found internet forums talking about him as the 'best ever buy' even now that's why I mentioned it.
The other thing I found amazing about him was that when on Ireland trips he phoned his dog. Cascarino tells the story of rooming with him while he was saying 'woof woof woof' into the telephone.
I hope Newcastle and M'boro both get beat tonight! :P
I think tonight is as big a game as there is for the relegation battle.
I think Hull are going down, only a draw tonight will give them hope. A winner tonight will stay up at Hull's expense. I think it will be Boro'.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 28, 2009, 01:28:45 PM
Didn't he bare his cheeks in a shop in M'boro a few years ago for a bet?
Yes, he called it smiling.
Hull look fucked and it's a toss up between these two teams.
I don't both teams will lose tonight :) but I'll stick my neck out and say the winner (if there is one) will stay up at Hull's expense. ;)
Even West Brom have given themselves a chance, particularly if its a draw tonight. Think Newcastle will win tonight and do enough to get out of trouble. Strange how Hull seem doomed and everyone is predicting their relegation yet they aren't even in the relegation zone.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 11, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
Even West Brom have given themselves a chance, particularly if its a draw tonight. Think Newcastle will win tonight and do enough to get out of trouble. Strange how Hull seem doomed and everyone is predicting their relegation yet they aren't even in the relegation zone.
Nor have they ever been! They may well find themselves in the relegation zone for the first time of the whole season on the last day of the season, that would be unfortunate lol.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 11, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
Even West Brom have given themselves a chance, particularly if its a draw tonight. Think Newcastle will win tonight and do enough to get out of trouble. Strange how Hull seem doomed and everyone is predicting their relegation yet they aren't even in the relegation zone.
Momentum is a difficult think to reverse when you are desperate.
Quote from: muppet on May 11, 2009, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 11, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
Even West Brom have given themselves a chance, particularly if its a draw tonight. Think Newcastle will win tonight and do enough to get out of trouble. Strange how Hull seem doomed and everyone is predicting their relegation yet they aren't even in the relegation zone.
Momentum is a difficult think to reverse when you are desperate.
Hull could easily get something out of the Bolton game and if United have nothing to play for in the last game and want to protect there players for the CL final maybe Sir Alex will give Carlos Teves a run in nets for his last game just to get 1 over on Alan Shearer for snubbing united all those years ago :D
Well that win for Newcastle last night was vital. I think they're gonna be safe now. Boro' look fucked, thats a tenner i'll not see again! Although have ten on Hull to go down as well so should break even hopefully.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 12, 2009, 12:20:04 PM
Well that win for Newcastle last night was vital. I think they're gonna be safe now. Boro' look fucked, thats a tenner i'll not see again! Although have ten on Hull to go down as well so should break even hopefully.
There'll be a twist or two to this yet.
One win for Hull upsets the whole apple cart, it would put them above sunderland who have been equally clueless in recent games. However Hull need to beat Bolton and the best I can see them getting is a draw, cant see WBA getting anything at anfield so they are down as are boro with Hull the most likely to join them. By the way if Sunderland survive on 36 points it shows just how useless the teams at the bottom have been this season.
Boro 1-0 up, putting the cat among the pigeons
Am i right in thinking if Hull lose today and Newcastle win Hull are essentially down?
Hull 1-0 down as well. Hopefully Fulham can get a goal against Newcastle and make it really interesting.
Quote from: Minder on May 16, 2009, 03:36:31 PM
Am i right in thinking if Hull lose today and Newcastle win Hull are essentially down?
No that would draw Sunderland right into it. They would only be two points ahead of Hull and play Portsmouth on Monday.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 16, 2009, 03:36:59 PM
Hull 1-0 down as well. Hopefully Fulham can get a goal against Newcastle and make it really interesting.
Interesting now.
Newcastle 0-1 Fulham
Uh Oh!!!! lol
Hull have equalised as have Villa against Boro' :(
I'll be really disappointed if Newcastle equalise.
Very interesting. Bolton game kicked off 10 minutes late.
Boro fucked and Newcastle close to it
Despite what these idiots on BBC are saying Boro aren't out of it yet. Hull will lose to United, even if United only send half a team. That combined with a win by Boro would bring the goal difference pretty level.
Boro' have now replaced West Brom as the shortest odds team to be relegated. They are 1/25 while West Brom are 1/14.
Though I agree with AFS, I don't think its that impossible.
Boro fans deserve all they get, their biggest game of the year and the place was half empty.
Quote from: Minder on May 16, 2009, 06:51:51 PM
Boro fans deserve all they get, their biggest game of the year and the place was half empty.
Boro effectively gone, they never broke into anything Europe (apart from winning the League cup in 2004) delighted they're fucked and the fact they have shite attendances means they deserve to be in a lower division.
you can get 33/1 on Boro' to stay up with Betfair now.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 16, 2009, 11:16:53 PM
you can get 33/1 on Boro' to stay up with Betfair now.
Worth a couple of pound anyway. Its not beyond the realms of possibility that results will go their way.
Boro to beat a West Ham team with nothing to play for, and who've only one win in their last six games, by a goal or two.
Hull to go down by a couple of goals to a United team made up of hungry youngsters playing for 2 or 3 open spots on the bench for the CL final.
Newcastle to continue their abysmal form and lose at Villa.
Much, much stranger things have happened.
I'd gove almost anything to see WBA stay up. It's doubtful though.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 17, 2009, 12:27:14 AM
I'd gove almost anything to see WBA stay up. It's doubtful though.
Well with United winning the league, West Brom's chances of a result against Liverpool have gone from zero chance to some chance.
Was just thinking earlier, would Newcastle be in this mess if they hadn't sold Shay Given?
I can't think of any specific examples where Harper hasn't been up to it but I'm certain Given would have been worth at least 4-5 points more for them in the second half of the season? His leadership alone would have contributed that.
I know he wanted to go but surely they would have been able to persuade him to stay until the end of the season but instead they wanted to cash in on the January sale before the remainder of his contract got any shorter. What did he go for 6m or something like that? Could turn out to be the worst sale in Newcastles history if they go down.
Difficult to keep a player who demands to leave and who hands in an official transfer request. But definitely there have been a few goals that Harper let in that I think Given would have saved.
To paraphrase former Newcastle manager, I would just love it if they take the drop. I think they will too-Villa will chin them. Will be some girning then.
Villa are in a dire run of form too, one win in 14 or something, think this game has draw written all over it.
Sad to see Boro go. they are gone they have to win at the weekend and hope the other teams get taked. Would love newcastle to go down, but i tipped Hull to go down when they were 7th in the premiership and everyone was saying how great they were as they beat arsenal.
who will jump ship for the drop boys:
Downing- Spurs
Tuncay- a lot of clubs will look at him
Wheater- West Ham
Brunt- Fulham
Owen- Everton
Martins- Arsenal
Hull v United should be an exciting game to watch, with Hull fighting for their lives and United's second string fighting for a place on the bench in the European Cup final. There'll be absolute uproar if Hull win!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 16, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 16, 2009, 06:51:51 PM
Boro fans deserve all they get, their biggest game of the year and the place was half empty.
Boro effectively gone, they never broke into anything Europe (apart from winning the League cup in 2004) delighted they're fucked and the fact they have shite attendances means they deserve to be in a lower division.
That's how I feel about Boro too, a nothing club always destined for midtable medocrity, except this time of course. Hopefully the self-styled "big club" from that region takes the fall as well, not that I like Hull or anything, but seeing Shearer take them down would be epic.
Quote from: longball on May 18, 2009, 01:26:14 PM
Sad to see Boro go. they are gone they have to win at the weekend and hope the other teams get taked. Would love newcastle to go down, but i tipped Hull to go down when they were 7th in the premiership and everyone was saying how great they were as they beat arsenal.
who will jump ship for the drop boys:
Downing- Spurs
Tuncay- a lot of clubs will look at him
Wheater- West Ham
Brunt- Fulham
Owen- Everton
Martins- Arsenal
As a blue-no thank you re-Owen tho that Martins boy looks good.. we'll take him.
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Hull v United should be an exciting game to watch, with Hull fighting for their lives and United's second string fighting for a place on the bench in the European Cup final. There'll be absolute uproar if Hull win!
West Ham beat United on the last day of the season in 2007 to stay up. Think people just accepted that with the title won the competitive edge wouldn't be there for United, although I think they were at full strength against West Ham as it was their last game of the season.
To be honest I'd rather play against a team of superstars going through the motions than a highly motivated team with Park, Evans, Macheda etc. At the end of the day the team that plays against Hull will be fairly similar to the side that won the Carling Cup.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 18, 2009, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Hull v United should be an exciting game to watch, with Hull fighting for their lives and United's second string fighting for a place on the bench in the European Cup final. There'll be absolute uproar if Hull win!
West Ham beat United on the last day of the season in 2007 to stay up. Think people just accepted that with the title won the competitive edge wouldn't be there for United, although I think they were at full strength against West Ham as it was their last game of the season.
To be honest I'd rather play against a team of superstars going through the motions than a highly motivated team with Park, Evans, Macheda etc. At the end of the day the team that plays against Hull will be fairly similar to the side that won the Carling Cup.
Don't think United were at full strength v the Hammers - think they'd a cup final coming up. Sheff Utd got relegated and Warnock went ballisitc, but nobody likes him anyway so nobody cared!
Agree with your 2nd paragraph, but still think there'll be uproar if Hull win. The English media would have an absolute field day accusing Ferguson of relegating Shearer!
QuoteCarlos Tevez fired West Ham to a shock win at champions Manchester United to help keep his side in the Premiership.
The Argentine - at the centre of a row over his registration - scored on the stroke of half-time from close range.
Manchester United wasted a string of chances as West Ham fought fiercely for their top-flight status at the expense of Sheffield United who lost to Wigan.
West Ham stood firm to pull-off an amazing relegation escape and spoil Sir Alex Ferguson's title party.
A weakened Manchester United side were celebrating their 16th English league title against a Hammers team who needed a point to guarantee their Premiership status.
Sir Alex Ferguson left a host of star names on the bench and there were no complaints from his West Ham counterpart Alan Curbishley.
West Ham started confidently enough but it was the champions who had the first clear opportunity when Rooney squandered a great chance to open the scoring after Darren Fletcher's through-ball.
Wes Brown was twice called into action at the other end to clear his lines as the Hammers showed plenty of willingness to attack.
The home side looked the more likely to break through and Rooney, Alan Smith and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer all had half chances as West Ham held firm.
Yossi Benayoun rescued West Ham twice in a matter of seconds when he first headed Smith's flicked effort off the line, then stood firm as Kieran Richardson let fly with the rebound.
Tevez appealed for a penalty when his shot flicked off Brown but had to make do with a corner, which Fletcher cleared.
Robert Green then made a superb fingertip save to deny John O'Shea at the other end before Rooney screwed his volley wide after Heinze picked him out with a superb far-post cross.
West Ham took the lead in injury time, the home defence failing to deal with Green's long punt down field and, after exchanging passes with Bobby Zamora, Tevez squeezed his shot home.
The Red Devils were struggling to make any headway and Ferguson made a triple substitution before the hour mark with Patrice Evra, Michael Carrick and Alan Smith replaced by Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Cristiano Ronaldo.
The Hammers were forced back by wave after wave of red attacks which came to very little before Luis Boa Morte blazed a shot high and wide from a Nigel Reo-Coker cross.
West Ham survived several more near misses as cries of "champions, champions" echoed around Old Trafford.
But it was West Ham who deserved the victory after a lacklustre display from the home side with the FA Cup final just six days away.
For West Ham it was the culmination of a six week-long miracle relegation escape - that is unless the Sheffield United lawyers have their way.
Man Utd: Van der Sar, O'Shea, Brown, Heinze, Evra (Giggs 57), Solskjaer, Carrick (Scholes 58), Fletcher, Richardson, Smith (Ronaldo 58), Rooney.
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Vidic.
West Ham: Green, Neill, Collins, Ferdinand, McCartney (Spector 28), Benayoun, Reo-Coker, Noble, Boa Morte, Zamora (Harewood 63), Tevez (Mullins 82).
Subs Not Used: Walker, Davenport.
Yep you're right Hound, had forgotten about the cup final against Chelsea and I see Ferguson had to defend himself afterwards. Missing a fair few there, I'd say it was stilla far stronger team than will play against Hull though.
QuoteFerguson defends team selection
Sir Alex Ferguson
Man Utd rested players ahead of the FA Cup final on Saturday
Sir Alex Ferguson defended his team selection after Manchester United's 1-0 defeat by West Ham helped send Sheffield United into the Championship.
Ferguson fielded a weaker than expected team - much to the fury of the Blades.
"I feel for Sheffield United but we did our best and I don't think anyone can criticise us," argued Ferguson.
"We had 25 strikes at goal, four shots off the line and a penalty turned down. When Neil Warnock sees the stats he will understand we were unlucky."
Ferguson felt the Londoners were the form team heading into the fateful final weekend.
"West Ham have been in championship form," he said.
"They were the team in the best form coming into these fixtures.
"Whether West Ham should be in the league is not for me to say but their keeper made a couple of fantastic saves at the end and we did all we could.
"The first half was a one-horse race, then they scored right at the end of it, which was disappointing for us but they got encouragement from it.
"We had our best team on the field at the end but we won the title last week and it is understandable that it took the edge off our game a little bit, so in that sense it was a good time for West Ham to play us."
Manchester United celebrated their ninth Premiership title by collecting the trophy and parading around the Old Trafford pitch.
And Ferguson is expecting more glory next season.
"We have got a young squad and we can definitely win it again," he stated.
"Winning is a fantastic elixir of life. It's gives you something extra and I think they will go on and do more next year.
"It is a fantastic achievement by the players at the club. We are the best team in the country and play the best football.
"When you see the trophy in our hands you really know you have achieved."
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2009, 03:07:40 PM
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Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Hull v United should be an exciting game to watch, with Hull fighting for their lives and United's second string fighting for a place on the bench in the European Cup final. There'll be absolute uproar if Hull win!
West Ham beat United on the last day of the season in 2007 to stay up. Think people just accepted that with the title won the competitive edge wouldn't be there for United, although I think they were at full strength against West Ham as it was their last game of the season.
To be honest I'd rather play against a team of superstars going through the motions than a highly motivated team with Park, Evans, Macheda etc. At the end of the day the team that plays against Hull will be fairly similar to the side that won the Carling Cup.
Don't think United were at full strength v the Hammers - think they'd a cup final coming up. Sheff Utd got relegated and Warnock went ballisitc, but nobody likes him anyway so nobody cared!
Agree with your 2nd paragraph, but still think there'll be uproar if Hull win. The English media would have an absolute field day accusing Ferguson of relegating Shearer!
I'm sure Fergie would be upset by that!
I would be delighted to see Shearer take the Geordies down
If there's nothing in the rules against it, then Ferguson would be mad to play any of his first XI in the game v Hull. The only negative is it might tip off Barca as to what his team will be. Does fair play come into it? Ferguson has played weaker teams during the season before/after CL games, and this team will be at least as good as the Carling Cup winners. What will be very interesting will be if Tevez and/or Berbatov are picked. My gut is that neither will start the CL final, though I don't think there'd be a whole lot to gain by asking Berba to play v Hull.
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2009, 03:27:09 PM
If there's nothing in the rules against it, then Ferguson would be mad to play any of his first XI in the game v Hull. The only negative is it might tip off Barca as to what his team will be. Does fair play come into it? Ferguson has played weaker teams during the season before/after CL games, and this team will be at least as good as the Carling Cup winners. What will be very interesting will be if Tevez and/or Berbatov are picked. My gut is that neither will start the CL final, though I don't think there'd be a whole lot to gain by asking Berba to play v Hull.
One things for sure - Berbatov doesn't need to be "rested" anyway!
No one can hold a grudge like Alex Ferguson. He would love nothing more than to get 1 over on Alan Shearer for snubbing him twice.
I think he might have close to a full team out vs Hull only he might experiment with a few positions.
1. Teves
2.Ronaldo 3. Rooney 4. Scholes 5. Berbatov
6.Van Der Sar
7. Wes Brown 8. John O'Shea
9. Nani 10. Ferdinand 11. Gary Neville
United Team for Hull
Foster
Neville Brown Evans Fabio
Fletcher Scholes Giggs
Mecada (kiko) Tevez Nani
Quote from: longball on May 18, 2009, 04:38:57 PM
United Team for Hull
Foster
Neville Brown Evans Fabio
Fletcher Scholes Giggs
Mecada (kiko) Tevez Nani
Gibson will probably start and Park might be involved but that's probably close enough.
Quote from: Maiden1 on May 18, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
No one can hold a grudge like Alex Ferguson. He would love nothing more than to get 1 over on Alan Shearer for snubbing him twice.
Yes there's nothing he'd love more. ::)
Park will be starting the CL final and dont think they will play him the last game. Think Bench will be Gibson, Tosic, Rafel, OShea, Rooney, Ronaldo, sub keeper
I would say the fact that Foster has a broken finger and has to get an operation may prevent him from playing on Sunday. . . . . . .
Evans will hardly play either with Rio's injury status still unclear. Is Wes Brown fit to play? Could have that young fella Chester at the back with Rafael, Fabio and Neville. Giggs will have some sort of role in the CL final so he could well be left out too.
Mackems almost safe
Phil Bardsley own goal.
Ok, so last day of the season and this is how it looks.
Pl GD Pts
16 Sunderland 37 -19 36
17 Hull 37 -24 35
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18 Newcastle 37 -18 34
19 Middlesbrough 37 -28 32
Fixtures:
Sunderland v Chelsea
Hull v Man Utd
Aston Villa v Newcastle
West Ham v Middlesbrough
Looks very unlikely for Middlesbrough but would love to see Hull going down and Newcastle but I don't see it. Sunderland have found themselves in a tight position on the final day, if they lose to Chelsea then a Hull and Newcastle win would see them down.
Sunderland will never get a result against Chelsea. I no they have the cup final coming up but Hiddinks last league game, Anelka going for top scorer i think Chelsea 3-0.
I would love Boro to stay up but they have to win 4-0 or somethin like that and other teams to lose now they have only scored something like 24 goals this season so i cant see it happening.
Hull are prob the team i hate the most in the league, something about Phill Brown, plus i always said that they were the worst team that came up. Everyone thought they were class when they beat Arsenal but I still said that they were the worset priemer league side ive ever seen and that they. Now despite this rant, i would gladly have them stay up this year and down next year just to see Newcastle gettin the drop.
Villa are in brutal form but u have to think that surly they wil want to finish the season on a high! Wonder what odds they would give on Milner to score the winner and put his old club down!
Bit torn on this one. On the one hand, it would be hilarious if Newcastle got relegated. On the other hand, that's a guarantee of six points and a goal difference boost of 6-8 goals gone. What a dilemma . . . .
Really hope Newcastle United stay up,looking unlikely though,its been tough for them this year with all the different managers..
Allardyce was a disaster and is the most to blame imo, Kinnear seemed to have steadied the ship until he got the heart problems,Houghton done his best but isn't a No.1 imho and Shearer hasn't had the time really.
I think they will come straight back up again though if they do go down,hope they do anyway.
I hope its Sunderland and Middlesborough that go down
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 22, 2009, 04:53:51 PM
Really hope Newcastle United stay up,looking unlikely though,its been tough for them this year with all the different managers..
Allardyce was a disaster and is the most to blame imo, Kinnear seemed to have steadied the ship until he got the heart problems,Houghton done his best but isn't a No.1 imho and Shearer hasn't had the time really.
I think they will come straight back up again though if they do go down,hope they do anyway.
I hope its Sunderland and Middlesborough that go down
They where something like 10th when Allardyce left so I think it is unfair to blame him when he had only got the job. He has kept a worse team up Blackburn and had consistently kept Bolton in the top 10 before that. Getting rid of Allardyce and replacing him with Keegan, then bringing in Dennis Wise over Keegans head, replacing Keegan with Kinnear, Hughton replacing Kinnear then Shearer replacing Hughton where the next mistakes. Also spending millions of £ having to pay off Alladyce/Keegan/Wise contracts after they have been sacked and selling possibly there best player (Given) 1/2 way through the season have been huge mistakes. They couldn't organise a f&*k up in a brothel.
Quote from: Maiden1 on May 22, 2009, 05:18:12 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 22, 2009, 04:53:51 PM
Really hope Newcastle United stay up,looking unlikely though,its been tough for them this year with all the different managers..
Allardyce was a disaster and is the most to blame imo, Kinnear seemed to have steadied the ship until he got the heart problems,Houghton done his best but isn't a No.1 imho and Shearer hasn't had the time really.
I think they will come straight back up again though if they do go down,hope they do anyway.
I hope its Sunderland and Middlesborough that go down
They where something like 10th when Allardyce left so I think it is unfair to blame him when he had only got the job. He has kept a worse team up Blackburn and had consistently kept Bolton in the top 10 before that. Getting rid of Allardyce and replacing him with Keegan, then bringing in Dennis Wise over Keegans head, replacing Keegan with Kinnear, Hughton replacing Kinnear then Shearer replacing Hughton where the next mistakes. Also spending millions of £ having to pay off Alladyce/Keegan/Wise contracts after they have been sacked and selling possibly there best player (Given) 1/2 way through the season have been huge mistakes. They couldn't organise a f&*k up in a brothel.
Had totally forgot about Keegan :-[ :D
Ah well I still hope they stay up,I have a soft spot for them plus I'm a big fan of Shearers not that he can be blamed anyway even if they are relegated
To me it all comes down to can Newcastle beat Villa. Villa haven't been great but are at home and Newcastle are pretty muck. Don't see Hull beating even a weakened United (draw most likely) and not a hope of Sunderland getting a thing off Chelski I'd venture.
I would really enjoy seeing the barcodes go down if only for the scenes of fat Geordies bawling their eyes out! To be fair their supporters deserve a lot better than the shambles that has been served up to them for many years now. In a way, relegation might actually be good for them. I don't like Shearer but if they got relegated and he stuck with them he'd go up in my estimation.
Will be hard to call. Out of the 4 teams, can only see Hull managing a point and the rest all losing.
Would love to see Newcastle go down as they think they are too big a club to go down. The whole set up of the club is a joke, which is why they are in that situation. Probably similar situation to Man City in the mid 90's when the people who ran the club didn't have a clue and resulted in the club being in the situation it was in.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 22, 2009, 05:53:42 PM
To me it all comes down to can Newcastle beat Villa. Villa haven't been great but are at home and Newcastle are pretty muck. Don't see Hull beating even a weakened United (draw most likely) and not a hope of Sunderland getting a thing off Chelski I'd venture.
I would really enjoy seeing the barcodes go down if only for the scenes of fat Geordies bawling their eyes out! To be fair their supporters deserve a lot better than the shambles that has been served up to them for many years now. In a way, relegation might actually be good for them. I don't like Shearer but if they got relegated and he stuck with them he'd go up in my estimation.
Not a chance I'd say. He'd be off before you could say 'I couldn't get the owner to guarantee the necessary transfer funds'
Out of curiosity where has the intense dislike for Shearer originated from? Nationality?
Quote from: Minder on May 22, 2009, 10:11:04 PM
Out of curiosity where has the intense dislike for Shearer originated from? Nationality?
England captain, jealous envy, shit pundit, keith gillespie, neil lennon's face, successful sportsman, dour, mary poppins, murdering U2 song in his car, record goalscorer to name a few.
He should have been knighted for lamping Keith Gillespie. . . . .
Gillespie is a top drawer knobhead alright.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on May 22, 2009, 05:53:42 PM
To me it all comes down to can Newcastle beat Villa. Villa haven't been great but are at home and Newcastle are pretty muck. Don't see Hull beating even a weakened United (draw most likely) and not a hope of Sunderland getting a thing off Chelski I'd venture.
I would really enjoy seeing the barcodes go down if only for the scenes of fat Geordies bawling their eyes out! To be fair their supporters deserve a lot better than the shambles that has been served up to them for many years now. In a way, relegation might actually be good for them. I don't like Shearer but if they got relegated and he stuck with them he'd go up in my estimation.
Not a chance I'd say. He'd be off before you could say 'I couldn't get the owner to guarantee the necessary transfer funds'
Is Shearer not just a interim manager? I presumed Joe Kinnear was coming back next season
Quote from: Minder on May 22, 2009, 10:11:04 PM
Out of curiosity where has the intense dislike for Shearer originated from? Nationality?
For the United fans I'd say its because he turned down the chance to play for Man United twice..
Probably the nationality thing too with some which would be strange IMHO as some that don't like him wet themselves over other English players,I don't see why it should matter where anyone comes from to be honest(unless their Dubs ;) )
I met him once and he was very genuine and down to earth,he was a great player one of the best the Premiership has seen imo
Lost all respect for Shearer when Neil Lennon headbutted his boot and then Shearer threatened to withdraw from the England 1998 squad if he was banned. Always struck me as a very sneaky sort of a player.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 23, 2009, 12:28:40 AM
Lost all respect for Shearer when Neil Lennon headbutted his boot and then Shearer threatened to withdraw from the England 1998 squad if he was banned. Always struck me as a very sneaky sort of a player.
Exactly. All this sheet-metal-worker's-son nonsense conceals a right sly dog. I freely admit that it's possible he's the nicest man alive in the real world, but the public persona exemplified by the incident you mention puts me off.
He couldnt be as big a tool as Neil Lennon
The Guardian did an excellent thing recently called 'The Seven Deadly Sins of Football'. Anyway, I read their 'Greed' edition and just fished it out here to add to the debate on Shearer:
"The Shearer Clause
Premier League footballers earn a considerable amount of money. But like many people, players often measure themselves not by how much they get paid, but by how much their colleagues are getting. This is perhaps the reason why Tyneside legend Alan Shearer reportedly had a clause in his contract during his time at St James' Park that would maintain his position as the highest-paid player at Newcastle United no matter what sum the Magpies agreed to pay new arrivals, such as the big money Dutch underachiever Patrick Kluivert. Little wonder, then, that Super Al always looked so pleased being Super Al."
Thats a nice bit of negotiating. . . . . . . In fairness whatever club be was at he always stuck it in the net.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 23, 2009, 12:28:40 AM
Lost all respect for Shearer when Neil Lennon headbutted his boot and then Shearer threatened to withdraw from the England 1998 squad if he was banned. Always struck me as a very sneaky sort of a player.
To be fair he was first in a very long queue of people dying to give Lennon a booting.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 23, 2009, 05:59:03 PM
The Guardian did an excellent thing recently called 'The Seven Deadly Sins of Football'. Anyway, I read their 'Greed' edition and just fished it out here to add to the debate on Shearer:
"The Shearer Clause
Premier League footballers earn a considerable amount of money. But like many people, players often measure themselves not by how much they get paid, but by how much their colleagues are getting. This is perhaps the reason why Tyneside legend Alan Shearer reportedly had a clause in his contract during his time at St James' Park that would maintain his position as the highest-paid player at Newcastle United no matter what sum the Magpies agreed to pay new arrivals, such as the big money Dutch underachiever Patrick Kluivert. Little wonder, then, that Super Al always looked so pleased being Super Al."
Keane had a similar clause put in after one of his contract extensions with United.
I think JT and Fat Frank have similar at Chelsea, and I am sure there are many others.
Maybe I'm twisted but I love the last day of the season when they show supporters crying in the stand and usually a Da with his arm around his wee son while the players figure out how to get away from the club back into the Premiership. Hope it is Newcastle-that would be great craic... whyayeman
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 24, 2009, 12:18:20 PM
Maybe I'm twisted but I love the last day of the season when they show supporters crying in the stand and usually a Da with his arm around his wee son while the players figure out how to get away from the club back into the Premiership. Hope it is Newcastle-that would be great craic... whyayeman
I think I might be just as twisted.
Hull 1-0 down to United, class goal from Gibson. Come on Boro!
Uh Oh!
Newcastle 1-0 down. Very unlucky deflection.
Boro 1-0 down, theres no way back for them.
Quote from: noeldebrun on May 24, 2009, 04:40:16 PM
villa just scored newcastle could be going down
Deflection off Duff unfortunately, feel sorry for Duff
Boro, Newcastle and Hull all losing. f**k they are three shite teams. There should be a special resolution to relegate the lot of them
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 24, 2009, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: noeldebrun on May 24, 2009, 04:40:16 PM
villa just scored newcastle could be going down
Deflection off Duff unfortunately, feel sorry for Duff
I'm $ure he give$ a fiddler'$ about you ...
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2009, 04:47:30 PM
Boro, Newcastle and Hull all losing. f**k they are three shite teams. There should be a special resolution to relegate the lot of them
At the minute hull will survive with 35 points surely the lowest total ever to survive. Shows just how crap the lower end of the table have been
Quote from: slow corner back on May 24, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2009, 04:47:30 PM
Boro, Newcastle and Hull all losing. f**k they are three shite teams. There should be a special resolution to relegate the lot of them
At the minute hull will survive with 35 points surely the lowest total ever to survive. Shows just how crap the lower end of the table have been
Surprisingly not, in 'the Great Escape' of 2005 West Brom survived with 34 points.
Aye, poor Boro definitely gone now. Newcastle still only need a single goal, gonna make for an exciting finish in that game.
Newcastle downt look like they've much fight.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 24, 2009, 05:31:41 PM
Newcastle downt look like they've much fight.
Was thinking the same thing myself,ya think they be busting a gut trying to get a goal but they don't look interested
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 24, 2009, 05:31:41 PM
Newcastle downt look like they've much fight.
Definitely not, the majority of them have got to be thinking that they'll all be playing Premier League football next year anyway? That kind of attitude is bound to be damaging.
As someone said on BBC website, 'Owen to miss a sitter that could keep Newcastle up, no fairytales this year'.
Cheerio! :D
Cue fat grown men with no tops on crying.
will be some girning on Tyneside now.. :'( and all that hype about Shearer-he'll jump now anyway
Haha! Sunderland fans look delighted
Have to say if I was a Newcastle fan I would be truly disgusted at that. They played out the last 20 mins there as if it was a pre season friendly.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 24, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
Cue fat grown men with no tops on crying.
There actually all cheering fair play to them I say great fans pity the team are so poor
Back to Match of the Day for Shearer?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 24, 2009, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 24, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
Cue fat grown men with no tops on crying.
There actually all cheering fair play to them I say great fans pity the team are so poor
Aye, they're ruining it. Start crying ffs!
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 24, 2009, 05:58:06 PM
will be some girning on Tyneside now.. :'( and all that hype about Shearer-he'll jump now anyway
He said before he took the job he was only doing it for 8 games so how how can he be jumping if he goes?
They look like they were expecting to go down.
That was shocking by Newcastle. How many of their players could say - "at least I gave it everything I had on the day" ?
No more than a couple at the most.
Toon go doon.
said when this thread started i wanted newcastle to go down. too much stupid sacking of managers pisses me off. But would like to see shearer stay on and do well with them next season. Some good players there could be moving on quite soon!
So all the teams involved in the relegation fight lost, what a load of shite.
Hull have to be a good bet to go down next year.
Newcastle were absolutely brutal today and all season. Never even looked like scoring and there was no sense of urgency in their play. Owen touched the ball once when he came on and to be honest he never looked bothered in the slightest. Even if Shearer stays, they will stay in the Championship for many a season. Sunderland and Hull can count themselves very lucky and can even see Hull breaking Derby's lowest points record next season.
Liverpool,Arsenal,Man U and Chelsea were 9/1 for the four to win today
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 24, 2009, 06:12:43 PM
So all the teams involved in the relegation fight lost, what a load of shite.
They've all been losing for weeks usually without much of a fight. Would be great to relegate about 6 of them.
Listening to Hull and Sunderland players/managers here, all saying they played well and theyre delighted etc.. You f**king lost!!! You're only staying up because there actually happens to be some other teams who crazily are shittier than you!!!
Quote from: Hound on May 24, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
That was shocking by Newcastle. How many of their players could say - "at least I gave it everything I had on the day" ?
No more than a couple at the most.
You are very much mistaken if you think many Newcastle players give a shit. If you were fighting for survival would you want Michael Owen on your team?
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 24, 2009, 06:16:33 PM
Listening to Hull and Sunderland players/managers here, all saying they played well and theyre delighted etc.. You f**king lost!!! You're only staying up because there actually happens to be some other teams who crazily are shittier than you!!!
Just heard Anton Ferdinand say that thought it was quite amusing as well! Shearer at least being honest about Newcastle not being good enough for the whole season.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 24, 2009, 06:16:33 PM
Listening to Hull and Sunderland players/managers here, all saying they played well and theyre delighted etc.. You f**king lost!!! You're only staying up because there actually happens to be some other teams who crazily are shittier than you!!!
At least Sunderland look like they gave it a lash and were prepared to help themselves rather than rely on other teams. Turns out the bottom 3 all lost!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 24, 2009, 06:14:24 PM
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 24, 2009, 06:12:43 PM
So all the teams involved in the relegation fight lost, what a load of shite.
They've all been losing for weeks usually without much of a fight. Would be great to relegate about 6 of them.
A 18 team Premier League would be the way to go imho
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 24, 2009, 06:12:43 PM
So all the teams involved in the relegation fight lost, what a load of shite.
one good thing is it shows teams don't throw games - Tyrone club football could learn from that
Ricky Sbragia has just resigned!
Jesus thats shocking. Niall Quinn and Ricky Sbragia on Sky now announcing Ricky is standing down. Quinn says it is Ricky who has decided it but I doubt it.
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 24, 2009, 06:24:07 PM
Ricky Sbragia has just resigned!
Fair play to him for keeping them up after the mess Keane left them in
Ricky does not look happy.
What odds on King Kev to be next Sunderland manager? :D :D
I recall the 1983 Cup final between and Steve Foster the captain of Brighton was suspended. The game against Man U finished 2-2 (or 3-3) and all the hype was about Foster back for the replay. In the replay Man U were 4-0 up and their supporters singing, "Stevie Foster what a difference you have made..."
...ditto Alan Shearer :D
i'd rather newcastle had stayed up - even if the reason is for the pantomine they bring to the table. the likes of hull, wigan etc are boring and offer nothing in terms of history, tradition, hype etc. imo the premiership misses clubs like leeds, nottingham forest & sheffield wednesday.
As th evening goes on i am getting more and more upset that Phil Brown didnt take Hull down, what a vain, p***k.
Quote from: Minder on May 24, 2009, 06:43:09 PM
As th evening goes on i am getting more and more upset that Phil Brown didnt take Hull down, what a vain, p***k.
Brown singing on the pitch was cringeworthy stuff. They are certainties for relegation next year.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 24, 2009, 06:24:30 PM
Jesus thats shocking. Niall Quinn and Ricky Sbragia on Sky now announcing Ricky is standing down. Quinn says it is Ricky who has decided it but I doubt it.
Whats shocking about it? He was in charge for well over half the season and they managed to accumulate 36 points which in a normal year would be relegation form. I never got the impression that Sbragia wanted the job that much in the first place, happy to be a number two somewhere. He will pop up as big Sams number 2 at Blackburn next season and Sunderland need someone to sort them out.
did you see the smiles of ferguson when realised newcastle were down,
Quote from: rootthemout on May 24, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
did you see the smiles of ferguson when realised newcastle were down,
How do you know he wasn't all smiles because Hull were staying up ???
Quote from: rootthemout on May 24, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
did you see the smiles of ferguson when realised newcastle were down,
FFS your a c**k
Quote from: rootthemout on May 24, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
did you see the smiles of ferguson when realised newcastle were down,
Seen that, probably still bitter at Shearer for not signing, feel for the Newcastle fans, hoped they stay up, I know how it feels...
Brown is just an attention seeker, Ive never seen a manager do that before, out singing like a plank in the centre of field with cameras on him, he loved it,
Quote from: thebigfella on May 25, 2009, 02:35:21 AM
Quote from: rootthemout on May 24, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
did you see the smiles of ferguson when realised newcastle were down,
FFS your a c**k
Why are you calling root a c#ck, hes just telling ye what happend, Come off it RLL are you that naive??
Well I'm happy Hull stayed up - irrespective of whether they stay up again next year, the income should help them to build a decent standard club for the future. Brown needs a sup from the 'big bottle of cop on' this summer though - he was very lucky indeed.
I saw an interview with Brown on some midweek Match of the Day type programme back in January or so. He was ridiculous, and they were touting him for manager of England. He's another one of these Sam Allardyce fellas. It's all about them, and how good they are.
He has bought reasonably astutely/well, in fairness, and these days that's nearly as important as a good strategic football mind (which he hasn't). He'll need to invest in at least two midfielders this summer - a playmaker to work with Ashby (and Bullard, if he ever gets fit again), and some bright young thing with pace.
The ego is very off-putting alright, and I get the impression that his players don't have a lot of respect for him.
Someone asked about the dislike for Shearer so here's my contribution on it.
Has a team Shearer has been involved with ever won a game when they really, really needed to do so? He rightly says they weren't good enough but there is no excuse for lack of effort. Their players were a disgrace all season but particularly yesterday. Surely he has to take some of the blame for that? As a player he scored loads of goals and fair play to him. Pity he put his own vanity and greed above testing himself in really tough games, games that champions perform in. I'm actually glad he never went to United but he should really have gone somewhere he'd have a chance to win things rather than be a big fish in a small pond.
Bloody good striker, just doesn't deserve the legendary status he has had bestowed on him in my book.
Hull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 25, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
He has bought reasonably astutely/well, in fairness, and these days that's nearly as important as a good strategic football mind (which he hasn't). He'll need to invest in at least two midfielders this summer - a playmaker to work with Ashby (and Bullard, if he ever gets fit again), and some bright young thing with pace.
The ego is very off-putting alright, and I get the impression that his players don't have a lot of respect for him.
I'd imagine the whole sit down in halftime chat against City would have turned a lot of them off. I know I'd lose a lot of respect for a manager if I thought a) he was trying to show me up, and b) he was trying to play to the crowd as what a hard man he is.
QuoteHull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
I wouldn't judge a team on their performances against the big 4 - it's the performances against their peers that determine their success. For me, the good performers this season have been Everton, Villa, Fulham and Wigan.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Someone asked about the dislike for Shearer so here's my contribution on it.
Has a team Shearer has been involved with ever won a game when they really, really needed to do so? He rightly says they weren't good enough but there is no excuse for lack of effort. Their players were a disgrace all season but particularly yesterday. Surely he has to take some of the blame for that? As a player he scored loads of goals and fair play to him. Pity he put his own vanity and greed above testing himself in really tough games, games that champions perform in. I'm actually glad he never went to United but he should really have gone somewhere he'd have a chance to win things rather than be a big fish in a small pond.
Bloody good striker, just doesn't deserve the legendary status he has had bestowed on him in my book.
Hull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
Not sure exactly what you mean, but I'll fire in England 4 Holland 1 anyhow.
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 25, 2009, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Someone asked about the dislike for Shearer so here's my contribution on it.
Has a team Shearer has been involved with ever won a game when they really, really needed to do so? He rightly says they weren't good enough but there is no excuse for lack of effort. Their players were a disgrace all season but particularly yesterday. Surely he has to take some of the blame for that? As a player he scored loads of goals and fair play to him. Pity he put his own vanity and greed above testing himself in really tough games, games that champions perform in. I'm actually glad he never went to United but he should really have gone somewhere he'd have a chance to win things rather than be a big fish in a small pond.
Bloody good striker, just doesn't deserve the legendary status he has had bestowed on him in my book.
Hull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
Not sure exactly what you mean, but I'll fire in England 4 Holland 1 anyhow.
A draw (or even a defeat) would have done in that game for England to go through.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2009, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 25, 2009, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Someone asked about the dislike for Shearer so here's my contribution on it.
Has a team Shearer has been involved with ever won a game when they really, really needed to do so? He rightly says they weren't good enough but there is no excuse for lack of effort. Their players were a disgrace all season but particularly yesterday. Surely he has to take some of the blame for that? As a player he scored loads of goals and fair play to him. Pity he put his own vanity and greed above testing himself in really tough games, games that champions perform in. I'm actually glad he never went to United but he should really have gone somewhere he'd have a chance to win things rather than be a big fish in a small pond.
Bloody good striker, just doesn't deserve the legendary status he has had bestowed on him in my book.
Hull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
Not sure exactly what you mean, but I'll fire in England 4 Holland 1 anyhow.
A draw (or even a defeat) would have done in that game for England to go through.
Ah you could be right.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Someone asked about the dislike for Shearer so here's my contribution on it.
Has a team Shearer has been involved with ever won a game when they really, really needed to do so? He rightly says they weren't good enough but there is no excuse for lack of effort. Their players were a disgrace all season but particularly yesterday. Surely he has to take some of the blame for that? As a player he scored loads of goals and fair play to him. Pity he put his own vanity and greed above testing himself in really tough games, games that champions perform in. I'm actually glad he never went to United but he should really have gone somewhere he'd have a chance to win things rather than be a big fish in a small pond.
Bloody good striker, just doesn't deserve the legendary status he has had bestowed on him in my book.
Hull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
I'm not a huge fan of Shearer, but are you criticising him for not going to a big club like Man Utd instead of staying at Newcastle for the best part of his career? Surely thats a good sign of a player, someone that has a bit of pride in the team he plays for, he could have easily went to a club for bigger wages where he would have won a sackful of medals, the fact that neither were as important to him as playing for his local club is a positive thing.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Someone asked about the dislike for Shearer so here's my contribution on it.
Has a team Shearer has been involved with ever won a game when they really, really needed to do so? He rightly says they weren't good enough but there is no excuse for lack of effort. Their players were a disgrace all season but particularly yesterday. Surely he has to take some of the blame for that? As a player he scored loads of goals and fair play to him. Pity he put his own vanity and greed above testing himself in really tough games, games that champions perform in. I'm actually glad he never went to United but he should really have gone somewhere he'd have a chance to win things rather than be a big fish in a small pond.
Bloody good striker, just doesn't deserve the legendary status he has had bestowed on him in my book.
Hull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
Shearer was a top class striker - the best English striker of his generation and it was a good batch considering you had Sheringham, Cole, Sutton, Fowler, Ferdinand etc.
Pure nonsense to say it was vanity and greed as to why he didnt go to Man United.
His tactics and the lack of motivation shown by the team on Sunday would seem to indicate he's a brutal manager!
I actually think he didnt use the "Shearer factor" enough. I remember his first game and the St James Park crowd were all on tenterhooks waiting for him, but instead of coming out onto the pitch which would have lead to the crowd going mental, he slinked down the touchline onto the bench, which was his attitude throughout - "this is not about me, its about the team". But the team is useless and was in desperate need for inspiration which Shearer clearly couldnt or wouldnt provide.
They said on match of the day last night that at least 15 players at NUFC were on £50,000 a week wages. I would lay odds that is more than the Arsenal wage bill to say nothing of Everton, Villa, Fulham etc. There will be some clear out there this summer but I suspect rather like Leeds a lot of high earners will not leave because no one will want them. In all honesty players like Nicky Butt, Alan Smith, Geremi etc all have their best days behind them.
I thought they said 5 players?
Maybe it was my hearing but I thought it was at least 15 they said. Off the top of my head I would suggest Owen, Viduka, Martins,Butt, Smith,Nolan,Geremi,Enrique,Duff and Colocinni would all be on about that. Shola Ameobi got a new contract last year so maybe him too. If it was only five why mention it?
Quote from: slow corner back on May 25, 2009, 07:20:58 PM
Maybe it was my hearing but I thought it was at least 15 they said. Off the top of my head I would suggest Owen, Viduka, Martins,Butt, Smith,Nolan,Geremi,Enrique,Duff and Colocinni would all be on about that. Shola Ameobi got a new contract last year so maybe him too. If it was only five why mention it?
Maybe I heard wrong. You can guarantee Duff, Owen and Viduka are all on 50, and I'd be surprised if the others took pay cust to go to Newcastle.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 25, 2009, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Someone asked about the dislike for Shearer so here's my contribution on it.
Has a team Shearer has been involved with ever won a game when they really, really needed to do so? He rightly says they weren't good enough but there is no excuse for lack of effort. Their players were a disgrace all season but particularly yesterday. Surely he has to take some of the blame for that? As a player he scored loads of goals and fair play to him. Pity he put his own vanity and greed above testing himself in really tough games, games that champions perform in. I'm actually glad he never went to United but he should really have gone somewhere he'd have a chance to win things rather than be a big fish in a small pond.
Bloody good striker, just doesn't deserve the legendary status he has had bestowed on him in my book.
Hull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
I'm not a huge fan of Shearer, but are you criticising him for not going to a big club like Man Utd instead of staying at Newcastle for the best part of his career? Surely thats a good sign of a player, someone that has a bit of pride in the team he plays for, he could have easily went to a club for bigger wages where he would have won a sackful of medals, the fact that neither were as important to him as playing for his local club is a positive thing.
One would think Shearer should be admired for not going to Man United,he must have known he wasn't going to win much if anything with Newcastle but yet went to play for them because they were his club,its just hard to please some people I suppose ::)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 25, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 25, 2009, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Someone asked about the dislike for Shearer so here's my contribution on it.
Has a team Shearer has been involved with ever won a game when they really, really needed to do so? He rightly says they weren't good enough but there is no excuse for lack of effort. Their players were a disgrace all season but particularly yesterday. Surely he has to take some of the blame for that? As a player he scored loads of goals and fair play to him. Pity he put his own vanity and greed above testing himself in really tough games, games that champions perform in. I'm actually glad he never went to United but he should really have gone somewhere he'd have a chance to win things rather than be a big fish in a small pond.
Bloody good striker, just doesn't deserve the legendary status he has had bestowed on him in my book.
Hull should also be relegated for being so rubbish. Phil Brown was a complete embarrassment yesterday as were his team.
I'm not a huge fan of Shearer, but are you criticising him for not going to a big club like Man Utd instead of staying at Newcastle for the best part of his career? Surely thats a good sign of a player, someone that has a bit of pride in the team he plays for, he could have easily went to a club for bigger wages where he would have won a sackful of medals, the fact that neither were as important to him as playing for his local club is a positive thing.
One would think Shearer should be admired for not going to Man United,he must have known he wasn't going to win much if anything with Newcastle but yet went to play for them because they were his club,its just hard to please some people I suppose ::)
Its worth remembering though, that when Shearer chose to go to Newcastle they were one of the top teams in the league having finished runners up the season before. Its also not as if he was going to be poorly paid there either, they were probably offering similar terms as United. So, at the time, I don't think choosing Newcastle over United was anyway as big a deal as it seems now in hindsight.
QuoteYou can guarantee Duff, Owen and Viduka are all on 50
More like 65 for duffer
Heard on Radio 5 last night that Collocinni is on 65K with no relegation clause and Xisco is on £50 as well with no relegation clause. They are in serious financial trouble as is Mike Ashley whose sports clothing store is not going too well at the minute. Owen kinda doesnt matter as he is out of contract so they can forget about him some of the others though such as Nolan and Smith will have signed long term contracts.
They will end up loaning out a large number of players on loner term contracts and hoping clubs pay at least 70% of the wage. Tough times ahead, Owen was 120K a week and i know Smith is 60K a week thats hugh money for Smith for a player that is not even a regular, also i know Bassong who has been newcastles best player all year is on 250K A YEAR he will be sold on anyway as they can get around £6m for him
i had read somewhere thatarsenal were interested in bassong.
not sure who would take owen to be honest.cant see any of the big 4 wanting him and not may other clubs would be willing to pay his wages.he might have to go abroad again to get football
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 26, 2009, 10:37:23 AM
i had read somewhere thatarsenal were interested in bassong.
not sure who would take owen to be honest.cant see any of the big 4 wanting him and not may other clubs would be willing to pay his wages.he might have to go abroad again to get football
Dont be suprised if Owen pulls the pin
could see him back in spain to be honest, somewhere like athletico madrid (maybe to replace Augero when he goes to liverpool ;))
Owen could do a few things, but I'd not be surprised if he went somewhere like America or Dubai for a final cash splurge before he starts training horses full time. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone like Celtic would pick him up, but I think his days of being a major force are done. Sad the way it ended for him, but he should never have gone to Madrid.
Owen, rather like Robbie Fowler or Lee Sharpe is a player who had his best years between 17 and 24 roughly. A lot of people talk about players peaking at 28 but some who come through young are burnt out by then. I certainly believe that to be the case with the three I have mentioned. Owen will look for another pay day somewhere and will still have an outside hope of making the England world cup squad, the competition is Heskey and Crouch. I do not believe te move to Madrid was the problem, I think he was a busted flush before that and that is why Liverpool sold him.
Fowler wasnt "burnt out" as such, more a culmination in injuries and not looking after himself off the pitch. The both probably related.
According to the back of the Daily Mirror 2dat Michael Owen is to be offered a £50,000 p/w contact at EVERTON
but sure remember where you heard it first
Quote from: longball on May 18, 2009, 01:26:14 PM
Sad to see Boro go. they are gone they have to win at the weekend and hope the other teams get taked. Would love newcastle to go down, but i tipped Hull to go down when they were 7th in the premiership and everyone was saying how great they were as they beat arsenal.
who will jump ship for the drop boys:
Downing- Spurs
Tuncay- a lot of clubs will look at him
Wheater- West Ham
Brunt- Fulham
Owen- Everton
Martins- Arsenal
Ah well, Boro were shite all season long and deserved to go. Don't think too many will miss them!
This kinda cheered me up though ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrLSMQy35E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrLSMQy35E)
Ian Holloway away from Crystal Palace.
Fulham have sacked rene meulensteen and appointed former Bayern munich manager felix magath ???
How long is he with Fulham?
Lasted longer then his job at Anzhi, took over on the 1st of July last year and was gone on the 16th.
3 wins and one draw (v Man u.) in the league in 13 matches!
Fascinating all the teams that could still go down. Good job Man Utd have 40+ points. :-X
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
3 wins and one draw (v Man u.) in the league in 13 matches!
In fairness if you can't beat United in Old Trafford you ain't up to much.
Quote from: laoislad on February 15, 2014, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
3 wins and one draw (v Man u.) in the league in 13 matches!
In fairness if you can't beat United in Old Trafford you ain't up to much.
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I'm sure Swansea boss Gary Monk played Steve The Pirate in Dodgeball...
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(http://emag.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/a4b2Stoke-v-Swansea-Garry-Monk-pa_3082746.jpg)
Or this fella:
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chris hughton sacked by Norwich.
Any chance of Sunderland surviving?
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 06, 2014, 08:23:42 PM
chris hughton sacked by Norwich.
Disgraceful decision!
I know their next game is Fulham. Biggest game of the season. and their final 4 games are Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal. Impossible? You just don't know! Crazy!
The Norwich fans were scumbags throwing stuff at Hughton
A pointless sacking. It is too late to bring in someone else to make a difference. They should have kept him for the last few games.
Why are all games kicking off at 3.07 on Sat does anyone know?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 09, 2014, 04:44:07 PM
Why are all games kicking off at 3.07 on Sat does anyone know?
As a mark of respect for the anniversary of Hillsborough.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 09, 2014, 04:44:07 PM
Why are all games kicking off at 3.07 on Sat does anyone know?
Hillsborough.