Well I for one just cant wait 8 weeks for the Championship to begin, let alone wait for this game so time to stick up a thread about it.
I can honestly say since the draw was made, this game has crossed my mind every single day at least once and as it draws closer I begin to think about it more and more.
Not just thinking about the up coming game but also reflecting on the history and rivalry between the teams.
Recounting since the games mid-80's when this fixture began to take on a life of its own and its out-come had seismic effects on the outcome of the championship as both teams were expected be
never to far away from lifting Sam. Perhaps it no longer holds that weight anymore but its still a key fixture in Leinster and one that both sets of players and supporters relish.
The power has shifted over the years, with Meath wrestling the number 1 spot from the Dubs in '86 and firmly held it till '92 with men that became household names such as O'Rourke, Beggy, Hayes, Lyons and O'Connell ,most memorably the 4 game saga.
The Dubs then lead the charge for Leinster till '95 landing Sam that year with the help of Jayo, Charlie and Barr. At one stage handing us a drubbing of 10 points which spelt the end for
many of the veterns on the team.
'96 we took it back with a new generation of players, Geraghty, Giles, Fay, O'Reilly, McDermott mixed with veterns like Coyle and Martin O'Connell and held sway over the Dubs till 2002, landing Sam twice, 96 and 99.
Then the Jacks lead by Tommy Lyons on the line and on the field by Cosgrove, Christie, Brogan Whelan, and they have had the final say since. We came close in 2005 and pushed them to a replay in 2007.
So to 2009.
It has been confirmed today that Shane O'Rourke sadly wont play any part due to persistant hamstring injuries.
The sages on Hoganstand.com's Meath page have saved Eamonn O'Brien the worry of picking a team and have named the team they think should line out on June 7th:
1 Patrick O'Rourke
2 Cormac MacGill
3 Kevin Reilly
4 Eoin Harrington
5 Seamus Kenny
6 Anthony Moyles
7 Caomhian King
8 Mark Ward
9 Nigel Crawford
10 Peader Byrne
11 Cian Ward
12 David Bray
13 Stephen Bray
14 Joe Sheridan
15 Brian Farrell
Though I think its likley we might still see Moyles in at full back and Reilly in HB. Kenny has been a great workhorse this year and Byrne will share that load.
Brian Meade should feature in the line-up probably instead of David Bray unless Bray the younger can recover from injury and reclaim a spot in the mean time.
Our biggest concern is getting our forwards fit and playing at match intensity. Brian Farrell seems to be still struggling, Joe hasnt been playing much over the league,
Stephen Bray hasnt quite got back to the form he showed in 07. Cian Ward seems to be the main man during the league bagging most of the scores.
King, you have to commend him, he did well for a man playing out of position for much of the league but it will be good to get him back in the half back line.
Can't wait . Should be two wins for the Super Dubs on the day .
Quote from: Gnevin on April 15, 2009, 10:33:25 PM
Can't wait . Should be two wins for the Super Dubs on the day .
:D
And so it starts......
The thoughts of Reilly at full back in the wide open spaces of Croke Park gives me shudders.
If Alan Nestor is fit and in the squad he definitely should be ahead David Bray in the pecking order.
I might re-jig the half forward line, with Ward going in at corner forward and Meade starting at centre forward.
I'd keep Joe on the bench and I'd put Farrell in at full forward where he murdered Paddy Christie in 2005.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 15, 2009, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on April 15, 2009, 10:33:25 PM
Can't wait . Should be two wins for the Super Dubs on the day .
:D
And so it starts......
No need to be jealous just because we better at Football and now Hurling too ;)
I have to say the atmosphere at the Dublin-Meath championship clashes I've been at in Croke Park down the yaers have been 0abrilliant. The place rocks-no quarter given and all that -fantastic rivalry.A few of us intend going down and added interest for us with Antrim hurlers on same bill tho the Dubs really seem to have progressed under Daly.. too much I think for the Saffrons.
Good man Juice. The Championship starts here.
Bad news about Shane O'Rourke.
It's very hard to know what to expect of this latest version of Meath. Probably the safest conclusion is 'not too much'. I find it hard to make sense of the team selections in the league and hard to decide either what was being attempted or what, if anything, has been achieved. I know many of the strange selections were forced by injuries, but Caoimhín King at full forward? There were games we played with only two recognised forwards.
I have no way of figuring out the management team's ideas or intentions, as I can see no pattern in their decisions. The best I can conclude is that they're going for a Tyrone-like system that relies on a mobile defence, with most of the team getting "behind the ball" (excuse the cliché), but relying on only two or three specialist score-takers to do the finishing. How else do you explain so many defenders nominated in the forward line, with Joe Sheridan on the bench?
It might work, if that's the idea. If it is the idea, we won't be seeing Sheridan, two Brays, Farrell and Ward on the team together. It must be said that a lot of it seemed to be working as the league went on. The defence has performed well and the midfield has been better than at any time in the last five years (though it's hard to see how this had anything to do with management or tactics - it seems to be all about Ward playing well and Crawford having a surprising return to form). But the forwards haven't delivered and maybe that's not surprising when there are often only two of them on the team. That's in as much as you can judge these things in the phony war of the league.
I too would have sleepless nights about Reilly at full back. I thought he was the successor to Darren Fay at one stage, until I saw him getting a bad runaround by a Cavan full forward of no great shakes in the qualifiers a few years ago. He's a fine player, but, for me, a third midfielder.
I'd have Moyles at CHB and nowhere else on the simple basis that it has been our problem position for a decade - except when Moyles plays there. Put him there and be done with it. That leaves the full back problem to be soved. But we have eight weeks to talk about that.
It's hard to be optimistic about this game, given the relative rankings of the two teams at present. But this is Meath-Dublin. Anything can happen and usually does.
Will you give over lads- you're playing a Dublin team that narrowly avoided relegation and were hockeyed by Tyrone last year . You're not playing Kerry.
Dublin and meath will be tight- always is regardless of how well one team is going over the other.
QuoteDublin and Meath will be tight- always is regardless of how well one team is going over the other.
Correct - 1995 was an aberration really when you look at the history. We've had the bragging rights for the last few years and at this stage I think we may just squeeze a win but nothing more
Will go in primarily to support the hurlers. Important for us to get to Leinster Final , if only to avoid some real dangerous teams early on in the qualifiers. Having said that a defeat to Meath/ W/Meath or presumably Kildare would not be the end of the world. A trip (or hopefully a few trips )down the country might galvanize the team.
Would also imo be a disgraceful tag for the present crop of Dublin footballers ( a sound bunch by the way) to win 5 Leinsters and no Sam. They don't deserve that.
Early enough days, but I like the look of the way Whelan/Gilroy are moulding the team........ imo some comfort zones have been thrown out the window.
If we are to do well this year, imo Keaney has to play to his potential and O'Sullivan has to start. We also imo need the introduction of one or two toerags into the team.
Quote from: Canalman on April 16, 2009, 09:32:06 AM
Will go in primarily to support the hurlers. Important for us to get to Leinster Final , if only to avoid some real dangerous teams early on in the qualifiers. Having said that a defeat to Meath/ W/Meath or presumably Kildare would not be the end of the world. A trip (or hopefully a few trips )down the country might galvanize the team.
Would also imo be a disgraceful tag for the present crop of Dublin footballers ( a sound bunch by the way) to win 5 Leinsters and no Sam. They don't deserve that.
Early enough days, but I like the look of the way Whelan/Gilroy are moulding the team........ imo some comfort zones have been thrown out the window.
If we are to do well this year, imo Keaney has to play to his potential and O'Sullivan has to start. We also imo need the introduction of one or two toerags into the team.
Ye can only carry so many. ;)
Quote from: Canalman on April 16, 2009, 09:32:06 AM
Will go in primarily to support the hurlers. Important for us to get to Leinster Final , if only to avoid some real dangerous teams early on in the qualifiers. Having said that a defeat to Meath/ W/Meath or presumably Kildare would not be the end of the world. A trip (or hopefully a few trips )down the country might galvanize the team.
Would also imo be a disgraceful tag for the present crop of Dublin footballers ( a sound bunch by the way) to win 5 Leinsters and no Sam. They don't deserve that.
Early enough days, but I like the look of the way Whelan/Gilroy are moulding the team........ imo some comfort zones have been thrown out the window.
If we are to do well this year, imo Keaney has to play to his potential and O'Sullivan has to start. We also imo need the introduction of one or two toerags into the team.
Should be easy enough find a few of them around Dublin...
Was going to add an addendum to my earlier post about smart alec replies.... but forgot. Needless to say the usual suspects have come up trumps again.
I will say it again the Dublin team in the last few years has a soft core which saddens me to say really cost us un the heat of Championship battle. I fear that the drift of the GAA to the suburbs/ middle classes in Dublin may be the cause of it and may be a permanent facet of our teams.
Crokes and St Vincents are 2 exceptions though and give me some hope for the future.
Very few teams ( if any) win AIs without at least a toerag or two on the team. In Tyrone and Kerry's cases these toerags are also good footballers..... hence imo their success.
Not sure if toe-rags are really nessesary for winning A-I's. I mean we never had them :) .
As I said in another thread, we have developed into a team that will probably be hard to beat but most top teams probably would still beat us. For all the possession we had in league games we got a poor return on the scoreboard. I think we have a decent chance of racking up some scores against this Dublin full back-line which is why we really need to geto ur forwards fit and playing to their potential. Sadly we ran out of competitive games now. I dont know if being extra defensive is going to help unless we have forwards who can win ball in isolation.
Yeah, playing with 2 defensive wing forwards will only get you so far.
I think we are on the right track but the system needs a bit of refining and it needs our best players fit and available. Peadar coming in at wing forward will help as he has plenty of speed to pose both an attacking threat and provide defensive cover. I don't know if or where McAnerney would fit into my championship team. He's good cover for wing forward/wing back but he doesn't do enough in attack to merit a start in the forward line for me.
Lads how would we feel about McGuinness at centre back?
Quote from: Canalman on April 16, 2009, 10:43:18 AM
Was going to add an addendum to my earlier post about smart alec replies.... but forgot. Needless to say the usual suspects have come up trumps again.
I will say it again the Dublin team in the last few years has a soft core which saddens me to say really cost us un the heat of Championship battle. I fear that the drift of the GAA to the suburbs/ middle classes in Dublin may be the cause of it and may be a permanent facet of our teams.
Crokes and St Vincents are 2 exceptions though and give me some hope for the future.
Very few teams ( if any) win AIs without at least a toerag or two on the team. In Tyrone and Kerry's cases these toerags are also good footballers..... hence imo their success.
Who in past greats would you say was a toerag? Just trying to make sure we are on the same page.
Quote from: Canalman on April 16, 2009, 10:43:18 AM
Was going to add an addendum to my earlier post about smart alec replies.... but forgot. Needless to say the usual suspects have come up trumps again.
I will say it again the Dublin team in the last few years has a soft core which saddens me to say really cost us un the heat of Championship battle. I fear that the drift of the GAA to the suburbs/ middle classes in Dublin may be the cause of it and may be a permanent facet of our teams.
Crokes and St Vincents are 2 exceptions though and give me some hope for the future.
Very few teams ( if any) win AIs without at least a toerag or two on the team. In Tyrone and Kerry's cases these toerags are also good footballers..... hence imo their success.
I would simply say Canalman we aren't good enough thats the bottom line. I think we've a few hard men alright (Casey etc)- and its got us nowhere. Tyrone have simply outfootballed us. Its hard to know with leinster this year- think kildare and meath will be very hard to beat. We're just short in a couple of areas. the only thing I'll say is I think for future years we'll get 2-3 backs off this u21 team. Which is what we need.
Think the rest are in disarray- laois are in freefall from what I hear.
casey was a pretend hard man. he wouldn't go for a break ball with his eyes open. whelan, christie and henry are / were hard men.
Certainly won't name any one individual as imo a toerag. My definition as a toerag is a player who will do whatever it takes to cancel another team's / a marker's advantage....... and get away with it. The toerag is inevitably a brave man who gets it back in spades.
Have played club football with 2 toerags and was always delighted to have them as colleagues. Feel some people are getting a bit "highhorsey" about my opinion.
For the record I feel that Kerry have 4 of them on their team at the moment and Tyrone 2. Wish to God we had every one of them playing for us.
Have always had a soft spot for Paul Casey so I won't criticize him (he gets enough on another Forum). I wouldn't class him as a hardman/toerag by any means.
I think that's Duff in the middle
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Quote from: Canalman on April 16, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
Certainly won't name any one individual as imo a toerag. My definition as a toerag is a player who will do whatever it takes to cancel another team's / a marker's advantage....... and get away with it. The toerag is inevitably a brave man who gets it back in spades.
Have played club football with 2 toerags and was always delighted to have them as colleagues. Feel some people are getting a bit "highhorsey" about my opinion.
For the record I feel that Kerry have 4 of them on their team at the moment and Tyrone 2. Wish to God we had every one of them playing for us.
Have always had a soft spot for Paul Casey so I won't criticize him (he gets enough on another Forum). I wouldn't class him as a hardman/toerag by any means.
Brennan fits the bill for your definition of toerag Canalman. He was pushing Glennon in the back of the head and got away with it every time he ran by him on Sunday...
QuoteI think that's Duff in the middle
Presume you mean the Duffer from Balllyboden/Newcastle there Hardy ;)
Dublin havent lost an important game because of a lack of toeraggedness for at least 3 or 4 years. Okay, you could argue that McConnell was too nice to be a full back but we've plenty of lads capable of giving hits. Tyrone were simply too good for us on the day last year - and it showed us up as relying too heavily on Alan Brogan to score our points when the pressure is on. The scoreboard would have looked differently had he stayed on, albeit the same team would have won.
Bastick is probably our biggest positive from the NFL. He's not the best in the country but he should be solid enough at 3 for the championship. Henry will definitely be 2, and its between Griffin and Hubbard for 4. Barry Cahill was our best player in the NFL in my view, so he's a cert for wing back. The other two places still in the melting pot a bit. Would be a bit worried that (by intercounty standards) we've 5 or 6 good wing backs without having a top class centre back.
Whelan had some very good games with some very mediocre games in the league. Looks heavy to me, but hopefully he'll be leaner come the summer. With Ryan not getting any starts and not being particularly effective as sub, and Fennell not getting a look in, it seems the other spot is between Magee and McConnell. Still not sure on either of them.
Brogans x 2 and Keaney should be certs for the forward line. Havent a clue who the other 3 will be v Meath! Connolly, Davoren, Andrews, Burke, Bonner, Flynn, Vaughan, Quinn, Sherlock, Kelly all in contention, and maybe even Cullen and McConnell, and I'm probably forgetting someone.
Upcoming Dublin challenge games:
Friday 17th April at Carton House, Maynooth at 7pm - the (inaugural!) Carton Cup
Dublin v Louth
Tickets prices: Adult E10, E5 for students/OAPs with under-16s in free.
Friday May 22 at Naomh Mearnóg at 8pm
Dublin v Mayo
Presume there'll be one or two more organised for in between.
Would agree with all of that Hound
Meath will need a good few challenge games in the run up to the game. Unless we have seen the prefered full foward line-up (King - ??? ) Farrell, Sherdian, D Bray need game time. WIll keep an eye out for them.
Quote from: Hound on April 17, 2009, 07:33:36 AM
Dublin havent lost an important game because of a lack of toeraggedness for at least 3 or 4 years.
Mayo 2006 - I know taking Ryan out of midfield at half time was stupid by Pillar - but there is no way Kerry/Armagh (at the time) or Tyrone would have lost that game - any other team would have suffered from systematic cramp, taking an age over sideline balls/frees, started a row or two etc (see Ciaran McDonald taking over 90 seconds to take a free from his hands with about two minutes to go)
This game should be great support for the main event vs Antrim. I would encourage as many Dubs (and Meath hurlers) to go down for earlier for the hurling, should be a big day for both teams and should be a competitive match as both teams will think they have a good chance of winning, though I must admit on current form the Dubs should savage our boys.
As for the football, I fancy the Dubs. They have talent coming out their ears but they suffer from two things, i) The media always build them up with the "this is the Dubs year" and "The GAA needs Dubs to win an AI" stuff, a pressure that no other county has to suffer. ii) There is a perception that the Dubs have a "soft underbelly" and other teams step up the physical nature of their game gainst them. While the Dubs can cope with a Westmeath or Offaly doing this when it comes to the teams that can be physical and play a bit of football they seem to suffer.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 17, 2009, 10:33:48 AM
I fancy the Dubs. They have talent coming out their ears
It's news to me!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 17, 2009, 10:33:48 AM
As for the football, I fancy the Dubs. They have talent coming out their ears but they suffer from two things, i) The media always build them up with the "this is the Dubs year" and "The GAA needs Dubs to win an AI" stuff, a pressure that no other county has to suffer. ii) There is a perception that the Dubs have a "soft underbelly" and other teams step up the physical nature of their game gainst them. While the Dubs can cope with a Westmeath or Offaly doing this when it comes to the teams that can be physical and play a bit of football they seem to suffer.
Talking out of both sides of your mouth Quinn. On one hand your saying you fancy them on then on the other your saying they seem to suffer against physical teams .
What I meant was I fancy them...to beat Meath on 7th June...after that ???
Dublin have built up a pretty good squad.
More depth on the bench than we have.
If the experimental rules go through, yellow cards could have a big say in this game.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 17, 2009, 10:33:48 AM
This game should be great support for the main event vs Antrim. I would encourage as many Dubs (and Meath hurlers) to go down for earlier for the hurling, should be a big day for both teams and should be a competitive match as both teams will think they have a good chance of winning, though I must admit on current form the Dubs should savage our boys.
As for the football, I fancy the Dubs. They have talent coming out their ears but they suffer from two things, i) The media always build them up with the "this is the Dubs year" and "The GAA needs Dubs to win an AI" stuff, a pressure that no other county has to suffer. ii) There is a perception that the Dubs have a "soft underbelly" and other teams step up the physical nature of their game gainst them. While the Dubs can cope with a Westmeath or Offaly doing this when it comes to the teams that can be physical and play a bit of football they seem to suffer.
Have to pick you up on the "talent coming out of our ears". Sorry mate -you're way off- we don't.
As for the physical stuff- I would say that cost us an all-ireland in Pillar's reign. Had we been less siege mentality mind like- we might have got over the line.
Strength in depth- again hard to say. Strength in depth is only srength in depth if its championship proven of doing the business on an annual basis in the championship regularly. We don't have many in that category.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2009, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 17, 2009, 10:33:48 AM
This game should be great support for the main event vs Antrim. I would encourage as many Dubs (and Meath hurlers) to go down for earlier for the hurling, should be a big day for both teams and should be a competitive match as both teams will think they have a good chance of winning, though I must admit on current form the Dubs should savage our boys.
As for the football, I fancy the Dubs. They have talent coming out their ears but they suffer from two things, i) The media always build them up with the "this is the Dubs year" and "The GAA needs Dubs to win an AI" stuff, a pressure that no other county has to suffer. ii) There is a perception that the Dubs have a "soft underbelly" and other teams step up the physical nature of their game gainst them. While the Dubs can cope with a Westmeath or Offaly doing this when it comes to the teams that can be physical and play a bit of football they seem to suffer.
Have to pick you up on the "talent coming out of our ears". Sorry mate -you're way off- we don't.
As for the physical stuff- I would say that cost us an all-ireland in Pillar's reign. Had we been less siege mentality mind like- we might have got over the line.
Strength in depth- again hard to say. Strength in depth is only srength in depth if its championship proven of doing the business on an annual basis in the championship regularly. We don't have many in that category.
Indiana, forgive me, you have to remember I'm using Antrim as the benchmark ;D
Well more than likely Quinn, Sherlock, Ryan, Fennell and Vaughan will be on the bench.
All have plenty of championship experience (with the possible exception of Fennell I suppose).
Indiana - Surely having a probably bench of Casey, Shaughnessy, Ryan, Cullen, McConnell/Magee, Fennell, Moran, Quinn, Vaughan, Sherlock, Flynn/Andrews is a far stronger bench than we have had in years??
How many of those players would Kerry and Tyrone want?
How many of Kerry and Tyrones subs would Dublin want?
Darren O Sullivan
Sean O Sullivan
Kieran O Leary
David Moran
All would be superstars playing for dublin.
I'd love us to have guys like raymond mulgrew,brian mc guigan, peter donnelly as well.
You have to factor in DSFM Casey and Shaughnessy are in the cold and won't be used this summer. Shocko may well be dropped at the weekend. Of that potential bench I'd only rate Fennell,Cullen, and Quinn. Andrews and mc Connell are shoe ins on the 15.
Tyrone would take Fennell and Ryan anyway. I dunno what Mulgrew and Donnelly would offer Dublin.
I'll give you the 2 O'Sullivans from Kerry but I dunno about O'Leary and I think Moran will start for them.
What has happened to shane ryan's standing?
Death of Meath legend McConnell(http://dynimg.rte.ie/00023a2c189r.jpg)
QuoteFriday, 17 April 2009 15:25
The death has taken place of the former Meath footballer Kevin McConnell at the age of 84.
McConnell was part of the great full-back line in a golden era for Meath football which saw the county win their first All-Ireland senior football title in 1949 and their second in 1954.
The Castletown native also won five Leinster medals, four Railway Cups, and two National League titles. In his club career, he won three Meath county championships with Syddan and an Intermediate title with his native Castletown.
Kevin McConnell's grandson, Ross, is a current member of the Dublin senior football squad.
RIP Kevin. My Dad was only born in '49 so as you can imagine I've little knowledge of these men other than what I've read and heard but I feel we owe a gratitude to the men who brought glory to the county no matter what era.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2009, 03:44:29 PM
What has happened to shane ryan's standing?
His type of game does look to fit into well with the type of game the new management are playing
I think also that Shane wasn't the fittest after Christmas and struggled to impress the new management.I wonder if the new mgt have done away with the high risk strategy of placing the kickouts near the sideline for Shane to get. As good as Cluxton is with kickouts a % of them will go straight over the sideline.
Surely he is still a realistic candidate for midfield or wing back, he did win an all star last year so he has plenty to offer. I'd like to see him wing back for a few games, I think himself and Brennan could offer alot to dublin attack from wing back.
Doesn't look good Zulu. I really mean that. They don't fancy him. They want 2 high catching midfielders. He won't be selected anywhere else bar injuries. Hard to believe
Theres reports that we might be missing a few to suspension after a 'brawl' between Navan O'Mahony's and Senchelstown at the weekend. Kevin Reilly got a straight red, for punching its rumoured. Not sure how much of a brawl it was. From pics I saw it looked like vast the majority were peace keeping with maybe 4 at the most fighting. Anyway we'll see what happens. Hopefully the County Board will do the decent thing and let everyone off with a slap on the wrist. ;)
Well Dublin's build up didnt get off to a great start, with a defeat to Louth at Carton House last Friday. Only a very limited report on the DCB site which said that Shane Ryan was to the forefront as Dublin built up a 4 point lead after 20 minutes. But the introduction of Paddy Keenan saw Louth dominate from then on, and it took a late Barry Cahill goal to put a bit of respectability on the scoreboard. And Jason Sherlock is back on the panel - although I'd say there'll be a cut coming shortly.
Louth 1-15 Dublin 2-9
Dublin team:
M Savage
P Conlon, P Casey, S OShaughnessy
A Hubbard, B Cullen (0-1), D Murray (0-1)
C Daly, S Ryan (0-1)
J Brogan, T Diamond, K Bonner (1-0)
J Sherlock (0-1), M Davoren, T Quinn (0-3, 2f)
Subs used: L Og Ó hEineachain, M Vaughan, E Fennell, B Cahill (1-0), G Brennan, P Burke (0-2), D Henry.
Upcoming challenge games:
Sunday, May 17 (4.30pm) Dublin v Kerry at Grangemockler, Tipperary
Friday, May 22 (8pm) Dublin v Mayo at Naomh Mearnóg
was at it hound-some setup in carton house. as good as croker.
Excellent choice in my opinion
Griffin named senior football captain
Following on from the recent National League Campaign, the Dublin Senior Football management have appointed Paul Griffin (Kilmacud Crokes) as captain of the team in 2009. Barry Cahill (St Brigids) has been appointed as vice-captain.
Twenty five year old Paul Griffin has been a member of the Dublin Senior Football panel for seven years. In that time he has won five Leinster Senior Championships as well as one U21 All Ireland. He recently played a pivotal role in Kilmacud Crokes winning of the All Ireland Club title and he has two Leinster club victories alongside three Dublin Championship successes. Paul is a Chartered Physiotherapist working in the National Rehabilitation Clinic in Dun Laoghaire. He graduated as a physiotherapist in UCD.
Barry Cahill made his debut on the Dublin Senior Football panel in 2001. The 27 year old has won five Leinster Senior Championships as well as one U21 Leinster title. He was awarded an All Star in 2007 as well as getting picked on the GPA team of the year in that same year. He has two Railway Cup medals.
Playing with his club, St Brigids, he has one Leinster Club championship and one Dublin Club Championship. Barry is a Sales Executive with Malley Sports Ltd. He graduated with a Finance degree from NUI Maynooth and a H Dip in Computer Science from UCD.
Dublin manager Pat Gilroy stated that: "Both players have huge respect within the squad and it was apparent to the management team that Paul and Barry were natural leaders within the group. Throughout their careers, they have been exemplary players for Dublin, constantly raising the bar for the team and I have no doubt that they will continue to drive forward in that regard."
On a regrettable note we confirm the retirement of Colin Moran (Ballyboden St Endas) from Dublin. Collie has put in a huge amount of work recently following a hip operation but unfortunately it became apparent that he was not going to be able to continue playing football.
Pat Gilroy stated that: "Collie was a great ambassador of all that is good in the GAA. He was always willing to put the team first and always did whatever was requested of him. I have only got to know Collie really well in the last six months but it was clear that he's one of those guys who everyone listened to and respected. It is no accident that he was captain of the team for a number of years. Since he started playing football for Dublin in 1998, he was always one of the players that you looked to in times of trouble.
"It is terrible that a young man of 28 has to retire from injury although I'm sure that Collie will look back on his career with huge pride. Anyone involved with Dublin over the years and all our supporters owe a huge debt to Collie and his family for the tremendous service he gave to the county on and off the pitch."
Suspensions have been handed out for the brawl, and I dont mean the one in Ballymun. Kevin Reilly got 2 months along with cormac reilly & lee russell. Damian Sheridan got a month.
Is it wrong that I'm secretly relieved that Kevin Reilly will miss the Dublin game?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 26, 2009, 07:33:18 PM
Is it wrong that I'm secretly relieved that Kevin Reilly will miss the Dublin game?
I dont think he's all that bad. Not brilliant but who would you replace him with?
Well, he'd be a liability at full-back against the likes of either of the Brogans in the wide open spaces of Croke Park and Moyles is a better option at centre back.
If push came to shove I'd put Moyles full back and try King or McGuinness at centre back against Dublin.
I think the key to beating Dublin is not to concede goals and in my opinion we conceded 2 against Kildare as a direct result of Reillys mistakes.
Moyles might not be any pacier than Reilly, but I'd rather his wise head back there to keep an eye on things especially with a young goalkeeper making his championship debut.
is moyles playing full back for plunketts,id say the lads down there are keeping a close eye on each other
How are the challenge games going?
I know Dublin lost to Armagh (and are playing Monaghan today I think).
Haven't heard a peep about our lads playing challenges.
A game against Galway was mentioned but I couldn't say where or when it was on.
lost to monaghan today as well 2-11 to 2-9. I unfortunately was there. Basically no rhyme no reason to anything yet. Still trying out players all over ths shop. We were 2 down at the break having played into a wind but played badly in the 2nd half. Andrews was good today, the rest were ok but thats all. Monaghan were good but don't have enough class overall in my view.
Magee was good yesterday I believe. Heard Mc Donnell ran amok for Armagh.
Panel is too big in my view and I'm not sure they know what they are at. That was evidenced by Paddy andrews playing very well up front today for the first half,a nd then being moved to full back in the 2nd half. No sense to that Paddy is needed up front.
We're not going to win the all-ireland jinxy-that I can safely say.
In fairness Indiana I think IC management teams are aware that their games may be watched by opposition 'spies' and they don't want to show their hands too much. In saying that I agree with you about management teams not playing the bones of their best 15 from being ridiculous. If I was the Dublin management I'd want to know my teams spine and where I'm going to play my main men and I'd be giving them game time in those positions. You need to work on your plan B's in these games also but it would be a concern if some pattern of play and basic team wasn't apparent at this stage.
We're not too sure of our spine at the moment either.
It'll probably be Reilly-Moyles-Ward-Crawford-Ward-Farrell (if fit).
Well I think Meath are in more of a transition phase than Dublin Jinxy so ye probably won't know yer best 15 until well into championship. You've also had more injury problems than the Dubs so I don't think the team that takes the field June 7th will be yer best 15, I think Meath just need a solid championship this year rather than necessarily winning silverware. Yer at least 3 years away from being a serious team IMO.
Quote from: Zulu on May 04, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
In fairness Indiana I think IC management teams are aware that their games may be watched by opposition 'spies' and they don't want to show their hands too much. In saying that I agree with you about management teams not playing the bones of their best 15 from being ridiculous. If I was the Dublin management I'd want to know my teams spine and where I'm going to play my main men and I'd be giving them game time in those positions. You need to work on your plan B's in these games also but it would be a concern if some pattern of play and basic team wasn't apparent at this stage.
the problem is Zulu that they still have a 39man panel and are kind of playing half a team in each of the 2 games like this weekend. Like there are at least 10 guys on that squad who have no chance. Its far too big still. Bastic will be number 3 - not sure about 6. Whelan plus one wil be midfield. Not sure about 11 or 14 either yet. I'm actually quite concerned after today. I mean the obvious part of any team is down the middle
I was prepared to give things the benefit of the doubt but I'm seriously beginning to wonder now. Armagh yesterday didn't have a full whack but they had 10/11 starters playing. I dunno anymore.
I don't think Dublin are going to make much of an effort in leinster, they are quite some way off the pace still. I think they are banking everything on the backdoor. Which could well work out- but with some big guns definitely in there early doors, you could come a cropper early on.
I'd say they know more than they are letting on Indiana, I'd be very surprised if they don't know their spine by now but just aren't showing it in these type of games. The main problem they have is they haven't found a center back which means they'll have to go with Griffiin, Bastic full back, Whelan/McConnell midfield, center forward? I don't know and Keaney in full. I'm sure they are working on things in training that you aren't seeing in challenge games and I reckon Dublin will be ok in Leinster, and like you say this years qualifiers will be no place to ease a team into action.
Griffin is a bit light for centre-back is he not?
I think he lacks a lot for a center back but i don't see anyone else for the job, Cullen would be my next choice, well maybe my first but I don't see Gilroy playing him there. You can't play Brennen there as he provides absolutely no structure and would only result in a defensively non-existent half back line for Dublin. Meath have their own problems in the back 6 would you not agree Jinxy?
I wouldn't be making those assumptions Zulu- Brennan is very much in the frame for 6- he was playing there today for a good while. Griffin and Cullen played there yesterday.- not to any great effect I believe. The interchanging of people is so constant that its impossible to say whats what at this stage. But we'd want to get some shape on it soon. 11 is the other problem position as is 14 as they don't seem to want to play keaney there. He's down with the mumps anyway.
Quote from: Zulu on May 04, 2009, 10:25:02 PM
I think he lacks a lot for a center back but i don't see anyone else for the job, Cullen would be my next choice, well maybe my first but I don't see Gilroy playing him there. You can't play Brennen there as he provides absolutely no structure and would only result in a defensively non-existent half back line for Dublin. Meath have their own problems in the back 6 would you not agree Jinxy?
Defensively we've been quite good once we got over the first couple of league games.
It's a bit different though in the wide open spaces of Croker.
We'll be playing at least one wing forward in a purely defensive role I'd say, similar to what Westmeath have been doing.
Frustrate the likes of the Brogans & Keaney, don't concede any goals and turn it into a war of attrition I'd say would be the plan.
I think that is a flawed tactic that no longer works at IC level, although Jack O'Connor recently said he feels football has gone very defensive and that a 1-10 to 1-12 scoreline is now common, I disagree. I think we are moving into a more attack-minded period and the focus will be on creating scores rather than preventing them, anyway dropping a wing forward back when you turn over the ball is easy to do and doesn't require a forward to constantly play a defensive role.
Maybe it was just a league thing due to the personnel available. If our 2 starting wing forwards are Byrne and Nestor for example it will be more attack minded than if it is Meade and McAnarney, which it was for a few games in the league. It'll probably be a mixture for championship.
Personally I don't think it suits our style of play to be overly defensive.
However, there has to be a happy medium between overly defensive and losing a 10-point lead to Wexford!
Quote from: micka the dub on April 26, 2009, 09:18:37 PM
is moyles playing full back for plunketts,id say the lads down there are keeping a close eye on each other
Moyles and Ross O'Connell were the Plunketts midfield partnership for their 10 point championship win over Raheny last Friday.
Its worrying that Keaney has the mumps. A lot of that going around it seems. I hear it took a helluva lot out of Cha Fitz and he's still not 100% right.
The good thing that came out of the weekend is that the brogans appear to be over their hamstring injuries and are playing well. Our chances solely reside on their form and injury status. Lose either and its end game.
I think our biggest concern as I've said about 100 times during the league is that our forwards have either been out injured or just off form. Bray has only shown glimpses of his 2007 form, C Ward has done really well, Joe has not really been playing much, Farrell is still in recovery. Hard to know how these lads will improve in the meantime with club games and challenges.
Defenisvely we're solid enough but not that special. Croker might stretch us.
A few interesting statistics;
Not to be putting the pressure on Mr. Gilroy and the boys in Blue, first year in charge and all that but Dublin have never gone a decade without winning the All-Ireland. Could the 00's be the first time?
Another thing to note, the last few recessions were accompanied by a heat wave, 1976, 1983 and 1995. What else did those years correlate with?
Just as well I ain't superstitious ;)
Decent game on sunday - made all the sweeter by an ogs steward letting me slip in for nothing!
Armagh played some nice football with the strong breeze in the first half. with marty o'rourke, stevie and duffy all linking well.
vernon was competing hard around the middle but he had no help from McKenna, who looked intimidated by whelan.
disappointed with forker, who made good runs and got into good positions but could not old onto the ball.
full back line was solid, although donaghy made a lot of errors in possession. mallon was great.
rafferty bombed forward well but, again, hasn't any defensive awareness at all. ak did his usual job and wasneat and tidy. harte will have a plan for him come the 31st. McKeever had a poor first 20 mins - seemed not to know what his instructions were. eventually when he dropped off the roaming brogan he picked up a lot of loose ball and tightened everything up ithink brogan scored 5 o dublin's 6 first half points.
for dublin, they seemed to lack any sort of structure or plan. lally started wing back on duffy and got roasted. cullen couldn't get near o'rourke and the poor corner back on McDonnell got an awful lesson too. whelan dominated midfield for long periods and looks to be moving well. not sure abot ross mcconnell. alan brogan had a good first half and lally did well when he was moved to wing forward.
am i rght in thinking about 10 / 11 of that dublin team will start in the championship?
the second half was a bit of a farce with the entire team changed. overal it was a good run out but definitely lacked bite.
terrible news on big charlie. best wishes to the fella.
Quote from: The GAA on May 05, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
am i rght in thinking about 10 / 11 of that dublin team will start in the championship?
More like 8/9
cuxton, bastic, cullen, griffen, whelan, mcconnell, brogan, flynn, jayo?
Quote from: The GAA on May 05, 2009, 03:29:42 PM
cuxton, bastic, cullen, griffen, whelan, mcconnell, brogan, flynn, jayo?
Clux, Bastic, Hubbard, Griffin, Whelan, Brogan are definite starters v Meath
Half backs will be two from Cullen/Cahill/Brennan
Other midfield will be McConnell/Magee or Ryan as an impact sub - Fennell only back training recently and hasn't trained or played with his club all year so I don't expect to see him play for Dublin until thats sorted
Keaney, 2 x Brogans (if fit) and Connolly are the definites up front - that leaves two from Bonner, Flynn, Cullen (he may be accomodated here), Quinn, Vaughan etc etc
There has been so much chopping and changing it's impossible to be sure..
Quote from: The GAA on May 05, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
Decent game on sunday - made all the sweeter by an ogs steward letting me slip in for nothing!
Armagh played some nice football with the strong breeze in the first half. with marty o'rourke, stevie and duffy all linking well.
vernon was competing hard around the middle but he had no help from McKenna, who looked intimidated by whelan.
disappointed with forker, who made good runs and got into good positions but could not old onto the ball.
full back line was solid, although donaghy made a lot of errors in possession. mallon was great.
rafferty bombed forward well but, again, hasn't any defensive awareness at all. ak did his usual job and wasneat and tidy. harte will have a plan for him come the 31st. McKeever had a poor first 20 mins - seemed not to know what his instructions were. eventually when he dropped off the roaming brogan he picked up a lot of loose ball and tightened everything up ithink brogan scored 5 o dublin's 6 first half points.
for dublin, they seemed to lack any sort of structure or plan. lally started wing back on duffy and got roasted. cullen couldn't get near o'rourke and the poor corner back on McDonnell got an awful lesson too. whelan dominated midfield for long periods and looks to be moving well. not sure abot ross mcconnell. alan brogan had a good first half and lally did well when he was moved to wing forward.
am i rght in thinking about 10 / 11 of that dublin team will start in the championship?
the second half was a bit of a farce with the entire team changed. overal it was a good run out but definitely lacked bite.
terrible news on big charlie. best wishes to the fella.
Was the corner back Hubbard or O Carroll Gaa-just as a matter of interest. Presume it was O Carroll?
Hubbard is the wee small fella? he wasn't on stevie. taller dark haired fella had that dubious task, so i assume that's o'carroll?
Quote from: INDIANA on May 05, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: The GAA on May 05, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
Decent game on sunday - made all the sweeter by an ogs steward letting me slip in for nothing!
Armagh played some nice football with the strong breeze in the first half. with marty o'rourke, stevie and duffy all linking well.
vernon was competing hard around the middle but he had no help from McKenna, who looked intimidated by whelan.
disappointed with forker, who made good runs and got into good positions but could not old onto the ball.
full back line was solid, although donaghy made a lot of errors in possession. mallon was great.
rafferty bombed forward well but, again, hasn't any defensive awareness at all. ak did his usual job and wasneat and tidy. harte will have a plan for him come the 31st. McKeever had a poor first 20 mins - seemed not to know what his instructions were. eventually when he dropped off the roaming brogan he picked up a lot of loose ball and tightened everything up ithink brogan scored 5 o dublin's 6 first half points.
for dublin, they seemed to lack any sort of structure or plan. lally started wing back on duffy and got roasted. cullen couldn't get near o'rourke and the poor corner back on McDonnell got an awful lesson too. whelan dominated midfield for long periods and looks to be moving well. not sure abot ross mcconnell. alan brogan had a good first half and lally did well when he was moved to wing forward.
am i rght in thinking about 10 / 11 of that dublin team will start in the championship?
the second half was a bit of a farce with the entire team changed. overal it was a good run out but definitely lacked bite.
terrible news on big charlie. best wishes to the fella.
Was the corner back Hubbard or O Carroll Gaa-just as a matter of interest. Presume it was O Carroll?
Both played
Quote from: The GAA on May 05, 2009, 04:50:13 PM
Hubbard is the wee small fella? he wasn't on stevie. taller dark haired fella had that dubious task, so i assume that's o'carroll?
Yeah thats him. Year too early for Rory. He will be good in time. Christ can't believe they made him debut on Mc Donnell. Silly . I mean he's never started for Dublin before and he's only 20.
meath lost to galway last night 2-20 to 1-14. Meehan got about 2-5 from play. Meath weren't missing a huge amount-probably underlines the threat of galway this year.
Galway's midfield will be their undoing this year but I also feel PJ will have a poor summer, with the harder ground and the higher pace of championship football I feel his age will begin to show, that and the fact opposition teams will target himself and Meehan as the two lads to stop will result in a tough time for both himself and Galway. Might still win Connacht but provincial championships are an irrelevance at this stage.
I'd still be delighted to win Leinster.
Dissappointed about that result, even against Galway who I rate highly, letting by 2-20 doesnt bode well, though I guess perhaps it might not have been played at championship intensity.
Someone mentioned that Alan Brogans injured on Hoganstand, any truth in it.
edit** We apparently lost to Leitrim 0-12 to 0-5. How in the name of f u c k did we manage that. Christ I hope Eamonn is saving something for Dublin, otherwise I feel we are going to be made sh!t of by the Dubs.
The club championship was on at the weekend Juice so there were very few regulars available for the Leitrim game as far as I know.
Dunno what sort of a team we had out against Galway.
Quote from: thejuice on May 07, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
Someone mentioned that Alan Brogans injured on Hoganstand, any truth in it.
He played the full whack against Armagh on Sunday - I was talking to a Dublin player last night and he didn't mention anything - I'd be surprised if it were true..
Quote from: heffo on May 07, 2009, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 07, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
Someone mentioned that Alan Brogans injured on Hoganstand, any truth in it.
He played the full whack against Armagh on Sunday - I was talking to a Dublin player last night and he didn't mention anything - I'd be surprised if it were true..
I think someone on Hoganstand got their wires crossed. James Brogan broke his leg in a club game. Alan I believe is fine.
james is gone for the rest of the year-horrible injury last friday-best of luck to his recovery. the other 2 are fine. If anything happens to either its goodnight irene for Dublin.
Quote from: thejuice on May 07, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
edit** We apparently lost to Leitrim 0-12 to 0-5. How in the name of f u c k did we manage that. Christ I hope Eamonn is saving something for Dublin, otherwise I feel we are going to be made sh!t of by the Dubs.
Ah, I think there's another battle going on. Who can lose the most challenge matches between the NFL and the big game in June.
So far the Dubs on top 3-2 I think!
Not sure if there's any truth in the rumour that you get a bonus point for getting whacked by Leitrim...
Meath team that faced Gaillimh:QuoteP O'Rourke;
S Sheridan, A Moyles, N McKeigue;
S Kenny, C King (0-1), D Flood (0-2);
M Ward (0-2), B Meade;
S McAnarney, C Ward (0-2), P Byrne (1-2);
S Bray, S McKeigue, J Queeney.
Subs:
J Sheridan (0-1) for C Ward,
A Collins for S McKeigue,
D Sheridan for Meade,
B Sheridan (0-4, two frees) for Queeney,
R Maguire for Bray.
Out With Injury: Nigel Crawford, Brian Farrell, Cormac McGill, Cormac McGuinness.
Other commitments: Eoghan Harrington
Wouldnt like to face the Dubs without Nigel Crawford. Good to see Brian Sheridan getting some scores though, we might need him.
That's a pretty weak team to be honest so I wouldn't be distraught over the result.
Good to see Peadar is going well.
Moyles and Kenny are the only defenders that started the last couple of league games, so bearing in mind we had a completely new full-back line I can understand why we shipped a big score.
Glad to see King being tried at centre back too.
Not bothered about winning these challenges, the key thing is to get the best 15 on the field for the Dublin game.
Quote from: thejuice on May 07, 2009, 04:07:49 PM
I'd still be delighted to win Leinster.
Dissappointed about that result, even against Galway who I rate highly, letting by 2-20 doesnt bode well, though I guess perhaps it might not have been played at championship intensity.
Someone mentioned that Alan Brogans injured on Hoganstand, any truth in it.
edit** We apparently lost to Leitrim 0-12 to 0-5. How in the name of f u c k did we manage that. Christ I hope Eamonn is saving something for Dublin, otherwise I feel we are going to be made sh!t of by the Dubs.
If it makes you feel any better, Leitrim were only at half strength. :)
Just wondering as an Antrim fan, What sort of turn to expect for the Dubs for the Hurling before the Meath game, will it be a trickle of fans in and the late rush for the football as usual or will the dubs get there early to cheer on their hurlers?
Quote from: NAG on May 12, 2009, 11:40:59 AM
Just wondering as an Antrim fan, What sort of turn to expect for the Dubs for the Hurling before the Meath game, will it be a trickle of fans in and the late rush for the football as usual or will the dubs get there early to cheer on their hurlers?
I'll be there for the hurling with the brother but the other 50,000 Dubs will be late :)
There should be a good enough Dub crowd in the stands but the Hill brigade will arrive in late I'd say.
Quote from: NAG on May 12, 2009, 11:40:59 AM
Just wondering as an Antrim fan, What sort of turn to expect for the Dubs for the Hurling before the Meath game, will it be a trickle of fans in and the late rush for the football as usual or will the dubs get there early to cheer on their hurlers?
might get about 15k I'd say- usual rush from the idiots expected though.
Meath have a challenge against Kerry tomorrow in Killarney. I dont expect a winning result but it will be a good test of where we stand. Though there will hardly be a full strenght team playing from either.
dublin are playing kerry on sunday- though with the local championships being played- we will be missing a rake.
When will tickets be available?
Quote from: thejuice on May 14, 2009, 02:07:40 PM
Meath have a challenge against Kerry tomorrow in Killarney. I dont expect a winning result but it will be a good test of where we stand. Though there will hardly be a full strenght team playing from either.
According to a poster on HS, Meath lost by 2 points, 1-16 to 1-14.
Both teams seemed to be near full strength at the start anyway, whatever about by the end.
King was full forward again, dunno how he played.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 16, 2009, 05:32:53 PM
King was full forward again
Anyone any clue what's going on here? I could understand it if it was a case of playing extra defenders and 14 was just a number on his back. But when picked at No. 14 he actually plays full forward. I could also understand it if it was our version of the Donaghy-type target man. But he's not a target man. I'm stuck.
Beats me Hardy.
Playing him wing forward I could understand maybe, but full forward?
I just don't see what he's in there to do.
If he's in there as a ball winner would we not be better off sticking Brian Meade in there?
Or big Joe?
King to be fair is pretty good at winnning the ball in full forward, but in the games i've seen its just his finishing that showed he doesnt normally play there. Perhaps he might be the key to beat Dublin, attacking their full back, but he needs ward, farrell and Bray running on to him to support, something that didnt seem to be happening during the league.
Team according to HS was
paddy o rourke
steven sheridan
moyles
harrington
mcguinness
mckeigue
kenny
ward
crawford
byrne
bray
shane mc
c ward
king
farrell
If indeed that was the team, i wouldnt say its too far off our strongest team we could have fielded. 1-14 must be the most we scored since we drubbed Westmeath in the O'Byrne cup. I'd say the Meath Chronicle might have a report on this later.
If we took the scores of these challenges on face value, i tell ya lads, Leitrim will be taking Sam up to Lough Allen. ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on May 14, 2009, 08:48:19 PM
dublin are playing kerry on sunday- though with the local championships being played- we will be missing a rake.
that match was called off.
I've serious reservations about this Dublin team.
I've watched the new team come in and I've ALOT of time for Mickey Whelan, and Gilroy seems like a decent lad.
But I think they'll flatter to deceive like before. I don't see any improvements like before. I can't see where the new ideas are coming from or where all the misplaced confidence is coming from.
As for Meath, I think they are probably in a rebuilding phase and possibly will do ok this year. I hear they had Mick McGurn the Irish rugby coach down with them last weekend doing some training so they're getting ready for a tough one!
Quote from: Logan on May 17, 2009, 05:30:26 PM
I've serious reservations about this Dublin team.
I've watched the new team come in. I don't see any improvements like before. I can't see where the new ideas are coming from or where all the misplaced confidence is coming from.
He's changed 2/3's of the full back line and I've yet to hear anyone involved in Dublin football spouting confidence whether misplaced or not.
Any word on tickets
Now Idon't have to wory about Down :-\
Quote from: Logan on May 17, 2009, 05:30:26 PM
I've serious reservations about this Dublin team.
I've watched the new team come in and I've ALOT of time for Mickey Whelan, and Gilroy seems like a decent lad.
But I think they'll flatter to deceive like before. I don't see any improvements like before. I can't see where the new ideas are coming from or where all the misplaced confidence is coming from.
As for Meath, I think they are probably in a rebuilding phase and possibly will do ok this year. I hear they had Mick McGurn the Irish rugby coach down with them last weekend doing some training so they're getting ready for a tough one!
Can you please refer me to where the Dubs are showing "all the misplaced confidence" please. I could do with a lift in spirits.
Tickets out next week 26th May
Sorry - I meant the media rather than fans.
But then of course the media get carried away with Dublin more often than not and IMO are somewhat of a disadvantage rather than help.
What do ye think lads, will we get a full house?
I think it won't be far off it anyway.
Where is it?
The fact its Meath, its possible. Any other team in the Leinster championship, there wouldnt be a chance !
Go on the Cheeky Dubs !
Navan? Or HQ?
Eh ... no ... I just like asking people questions for fun.
How many times am I going to have to ask?
Hang your head in shame young man.
Quote from: Declan on May 18, 2009, 08:58:27 AM
Tickets out next week 26th May
any idea of the price? also how many can you buy at a time on Ticketmaster?
Quote from: thejuice on May 18, 2009, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: Declan on May 18, 2009, 08:58:27 AM
Tickets out next week 26th May
any idea of the price? also how many can you buy at a time on Ticketmaster?
e25 for stand
Don't think there will be a full house...... 65k-70k maybe. Wouldn't go in myself but for the hurling. We (the Dubs) have flattered (only to deceive later )in Leinster these last few years and I would prefer if we are not to win the AI this year ( a near certainty) that an early exit be preferable. If we are to exit let it be in the qualifiers, or if we are to progress let it be through the qualifiers also.
Having said that imo if Keaney, the 2 Brogans play well and our half back line tightens up it will take a good team to beat us. Also need Connolly playing well ( a big ask).
Would also ask any fellow posters to point out specific incidents / facts when they spout on about Dublin's "overconfidence" etc etc. A complete barstool myth imo.
Dublins perceived overconfidence only exists among the fair weather fans. The people on the ground are very realistic about exactly where Dublin stand.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2009, 01:10:25 PM
Dublins perceived overconfidence only exists among the fair weather fans. The people on the ground are very realistic about exactly where Dublin stand.
Understandable after years collapse, however, if Dublin turn someone over in Leinster you would see the initial reservation/expectation change completley.
Just waiting for the media machine to crank into action.
Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2009, 01:03:34 PM
Don't think there will be a full house...... 65k-70k maybe. Wouldn't go in myself but for the hurling. We (the Dubs) have flattered (only to deceive later )in Leinster these last few years and I would prefer if we are not to win the AI this year ( a near certainty) that an early exit be preferable. If we are to exit let it be in the qualifiers, or if we are to progress let it be through the qualifiers also.
Having said that imo if Keaney, the 2 Brogans play well and our half back line tightens up it will take a good team to beat us. Also need Connolly playing well ( a big ask).
Would also ask any fellow posters to point out specific incidents / facts when they spout on about Dublin's "overconfidence" etc etc. A complete barstool myth imo.
Why wouldn't you?
Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2009, 01:03:34 PM
Don't think there will be a full house...... 65k-70k maybe. Wouldn't go in myself but for the hurling. We (the Dubs) have flattered (only to deceive later )in Leinster these last few years and I would prefer if we are not to win the AI this year ( a near certainty) that an early exit be preferable. If we are to exit let it be in the qualifiers, or if we are to progress let it be through the qualifiers also.
Some supporter you are, you wouldn't go only for the hurling is it? This is the same team that has won 4 Leinster titles in a row, were beaten generally by the team that won the AI and are playing in one of the biggest local derbies in Irish sport, under new management and they aren't worthy of your support why?
To be honest coming from a county that has never enjoyed any real footballing success and is unlikely to do so in my lifetime, I'm a bit sick of the ease with which some Dublin supporters throw their toys out of the pram and won't go to some Dublin games.
Quote from: Zulu on May 18, 2009, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2009, 01:03:34 PM
Don't think there will be a full house...... 65k-70k maybe. Wouldn't go in myself but for the hurling. We (the Dubs) have flattered (only to deceive later )in Leinster these last few years and I would prefer if we are not to win the AI this year ( a near certainty) that an early exit be preferable. If we are to exit let it be in the qualifiers, or if we are to progress let it be through the qualifiers also.
Some supporter you are, you wouldn't go only for the hurling is it? This is the same team that has won 4 Leinster titles in a row, were beaten generally by the team that won the AI and are playing in one of the biggest local derbies in Irish sport, under new management and they aren't worthy of your support why?
To be honest coming from a county that has never enjoyed any real footballing success and is unlikely to do so in my lifetime, I'm a bit sick of the ease with which some Dublin supporters throw their toys out of the pram and won't go to some Dublin games.
Agree Dublin and Meath will be a humdinger and why any would would want to skip it is beyond me .
Quote from: Bensars on May 18, 2009, 01:14:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2009, 01:10:25 PM
Dublins perceived overconfidence only exists among the fair weather fans. The people on the ground are very realistic about exactly where Dublin stand.
Understandable after years collapse, however, if Dublin turn someone over in Leinster you would see the initial reservation/expectation change completley.
Just waiting for the media machine to crank into action.
This is a big problem for Dublin IMO
Quote from: Logan on May 18, 2009, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: Bensars on May 18, 2009, 01:14:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 18, 2009, 01:10:25 PM
Dublins perceived overconfidence only exists among the fair weather fans. The people on the ground are very realistic about exactly where Dublin stand.
Understandable after years collapse, however, if Dublin turn someone over in Leinster you would see the initial reservation/expectation change completley.
Just waiting for the media machine to crank into action.
This is a big problem for Dublin IMO
We are back to square 1. The media can talk their normal shite but I don't see many Dubs predicting being in Croker on September .
In the cyclical nature of things I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Royals win this one
I think Mickey Whelan is a good coach, that Moyna lad is a clown, and Gilroy is untested yet ... We'll see on the first day what happens.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 18, 2009, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Canalman on May 18, 2009, 01:03:34 PM
Don't think there will be a full house...... 65k-70k maybe. Wouldn't go in myself but for the hurling. We (the Dubs) have flattered (only to deceive later )in Leinster these last few years and I would prefer if we are not to win the AI this year ( a near certainty) that an early exit be preferable. If we are to exit let it be in the qualifiers, or if we are to progress let it be through the qualifiers also.
Having said that imo if Keaney, the 2 Brogans play well and our half back line tightens up it will take a good team to beat us. Also need Connolly playing well ( a big ask).
Would also ask any fellow posters to point out specific incidents / facts when they spout on about Dublin's "overconfidence" etc etc. A complete barstool myth imo.
Why wouldn't you?
Aye, that's ridiculous.
You could never miss Dublin v Meath. No doubt it will light up the championship again this year after the dour foul fest in Clones the previous week.
Quote from: Declan on May 18, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
In the cyclical nature of things I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Royals win this one
Don't start!
QuoteDonaghmore/AshbourneGAA are holding a preview night with PJ Moran (LMfm) compering with a panel of legends(to be named) from both sides discussing the match, championship and past battles with video footage; followed by music & craic, should be a great night ! Saturday 6th June
Been checking up on Meath's progress ahead of first round clash to see how their shaping up. According to their HS forum they've gotten hidings from Leitrim and Galway and then only lost by 2 points to Kerry who had 11 of the All-Ireland starting team plus Galvin playing.
Find it strange that I cannot find any mention of this game anywhere else. Is there any truth in it Meath fans? Where did the sudden improvement come from?
Well, I didn't see the team for the Leitrim game but there was a round of the club championship on that weekend so I dunno where they got players from. I'd say there weren't many regulars in action. As for the Galway game, that was a fairly weak line-up too.
The team that played Kerry is the closest I've seen yet to our championship 15, albeit with some players being played out of position.
Challenge games are hard to read. We've lost all of ours but we haven't had a full side out. I'm of the belief you should be try9ing to win challenge matches close to the championship itself- I wouldn't worry about them in the early stages of the league or 5-6 weeks out from a championship game- but 2-3 weeks beforehand I would be concerned if the team still wasn't playing well at least.
Yeah, we've all seen teams that were "going well in challenges" getting dumped on their ass in the first round.
The championship is a different beast altogether.
Challenge matches at IC level are strange because you are trying to work on things but you don't want to show your hand to either the opposition or possible 'spies' that may be watching you from your championship opponents. Therefore it is impossible to read anything into them, in all probablity you are not going to play your first 15 and you won't use any of your tactics in them, so they are primarily for giving lads a run rather than a tune up game for championship.
I don't entirely agree- If you're that worried about spies then you're probably not good enough anyway. I know Jack O Connor doesn't care who's watching them he just worries about his own team. Realisitically the amount of video anlaysis done these days the secrets are few and far between. Could just do a tyrone on it and not play them at all. I would be concerned about Dublin's form at the minute- hoping to see something at the weekend that will lead me to believe otherwise.
Dublin and meath will be tight either way regardless of challenge games or form. 1995 was the only abberation to that.
QuoteDublin and meath will be tight either way regardless of challenge games or form. 1995 was the only abberation to that.
100% correct there Indiana - As I said I have a sneaky feeling the Royals are due a win
Quote from: INDIANA on May 19, 2009, 03:24:37 PM
I don't entirely agree- If you're that worried about spies then you're probably not good enough anyway. I know Jack O Connor doesn't care who's watching them he just worries about his own team. Realisitically the amount of video anlaysis done these days the secrets are few and far between. Could just do a tyrone on it and not play them at all. I would be concerned about Dublin's form at the minute- hoping to see something at the weekend that will lead me to believe otherwise.
Simply not true Indiana, Kerry do it as well if you want to see how a team is going and what they are about go to a training session, challenge matches are worth little and tell you nothing about a team.
I've been to about 7 training sessions at this stage- and I'd still be concerned - same old problems to me still arising and they are manifesting itself in the matches they have played to date both in the NFL and the challenge game circuit. If challenge games were completely pointless no-one would play them.
They have value but only to a certain extent but to say they no value is illogical in my opinion.
Quote from: Declan on May 19, 2009, 04:21:56 PM
QuoteDublin and meath will be tight either way regardless of challenge games or form. 1995 was the only abberation to that.
100% correct there Indiana - As I said I have a sneaky feeling the Royals are due a win
I agree- we'll be unbackable going into this match. Its still a lot of the players from 2 years ago involved on both sides when they probably should have beaten us. going to be very tight.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 19, 2009, 04:29:29 PM
I've been to about 7 training sessions at this stage- and I'd still be concerned - same old problems to me still arising and they are manifesting itself in the matches they have played to date both in the NFL and the challenge game circuit. If challenge games were completely pointless no-one would play them.
They have value but only to a certain extent but to say they no value is illogical in my opinion.
Well of course they have some value but Tyrone have done ok without playing them and I feel their primary goal is to give lads a run. Without going off topic too much, it is another reason why I feel we should link the league and championship, we have too many games that are basically shadow boxing and challenge games are the worst form of this. At club level challenge games can serve a purpose as you can work on kickouts etc. but at IC level managers are worried about showing their hand so they are of limited value.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 19, 2009, 03:24:37 PM
I know Jack O Connor doesn't care who's watching them he just worries about his own team.
Most IC managers would love to have what Jack has at his disposal - maybe he doesn't need to worry about spies due to the available resources..
If Farrell is fully fit I think we've a great chance. I'd love to see him get a few games under his belt this season because he's had a rough time with injury. When he's fit and playing well he's our no. 1 forward IMHO.
Will croke park be sold out for these games?
I think so.
hmm, I might go if I can get a ticket. Always wanted to go to a Dublin-Meath gane. The hurling on beforehand makes it very appealing too. I wonder are other neutrals thinking like me??
Quote from: mckieran on May 21, 2009, 10:21:53 AM
Will croke park be sold out for these games?
I don't think it will be sold out- recession and all that. People may laugh but I think about 70k will be the attendance.
QuoteI don't think it will be sold out- recession and all that. People may laugh but I think about 70k will be the attendance.
70k would be a damn good attendance for a first round championship game
Quote from: INDIANA on May 21, 2009, 11:21:32 AM
Quote from: mckieran on May 21, 2009, 10:21:53 AM
Will croke park be sold out for these games?
I don't think it will be sold out- recession and all that. People may laugh but I think about 70k will be the attendance.
In fairness though, it's not like any of us will have to pay for accomodation or much in the way of travel costs.
Everyone I know that normally goes to games is definitely going to this.
I think if we have a few days good weather in the run-up to the game it could have a big influence on ticket sales.
Cant wait for this game, think it'll be the same ol d between the old rivals, never know what the outcome will be. I reckon it'll deff sell out or if not damn close to it. Meath v Dublin first round? who wont want to see it!
€25 for two games is a bargain these days and you dont get that kind of value anywhere else. I'm flying home for it and bringing a few Sasanach along with me to the game too.
Quote from: thejuice on May 21, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
€25 for two games is a bargain these days and you dont get that kind of value anywhere else. I'm flying home for it and bringing a few Sasanach along with me to the game too.
Just make sure they know the good guys are wearing green!
They'll know by the colours they'll be told to wear on the day ;)
QuoteJust make sure they know the good guys are wearing green!
Good me arse!!!
Quote from: thejuice on May 21, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
€25 for two games is a bargain these days and you dont get that kind of value anywhere else. I'm flying home for it and bringing a few Sasanach along with me to the game too.
Hopefull the weather will be good- looking forward to it.
From the Chronicle
QuoteKerry 1-18, Meath 1-16
Meath lost out to Kerry in a very competitive SF challenge at Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney on Friday evening with a number of players making a return to action after spells out through injury.
One of those who turned out in what is the most recent chapter in a long-running saga to regain full fitness was Nobber's Brian Farrell who helped himself to three points. He gave what was described as an "impressive" display before he was substituted as a precaution.
Nigel Crawford who has been sidelined for the past few weeks with a hamstring injury lined out at midfield with Mark Ward. Both players slotted over a point apiece. Crawford and Ward were said to have competed well against a Kerry midfield that included Darragh O Se.
At full-back Anthony Moyles had a tough test against Tommy Walsh, but did well in containing the giant Kerry full-forward while Niall McKeigue also had a impressive outing in the Meath defence.
The visitors led for lengthy spells and it was only in the closing stages that Kerry racked up the points for victory.
Meath's top scorer was Cian Ward who notched up seven points and played well while Brian Sheridan did his cause no harm when he came on as a substitute and contributed 1-1.
Stephen Bray, with two points, and a McKeigue effort that split the posts, made up Meath's tally.
The Meath team had a more familiar look about it than in recent challenges against Galway and Leitrim when a large number of player on the fringe of the panel were utilised.
Kevin Reilly made the trip to Kerry however, he did not play as he is still recovering from an injury while Cormac McGill and David Bray are other players on the injured list. The Kerry game was played behind closed doors and the following day, Saturday, Meath returned to the famous stadium for a training session.
Meath - P O'Rourke; S Sheridan, A Moyles, E Harrington; S Kenny, N McKeigue (0-1), C McGuinness; M Ward (0-1), N Crawford (0-1); S McAnarney, C Ward (0-7), B Meade; S Bray (0-2), C King, B Farrell (0-3). Sub - B Sheridan (1-1) for Farrell.
Funny there's no comment of the position of King in the forwards.
QuoteInjury list a major problem for Meath
Eamonn O'Brien insists Meath are on schedule in their preparations for the eagerly awaited Leinster SFC first round clash with Dublin on Sunday, 7th June despite a number of defeats in recent challenge games.
The Meath manager brought a panel of players down south to Killarney for a challenge game against Jack O'Connor's newly crowned NFL Div 1 champions on Friday evening.
However, Kerry showed little hospitality on the field of play as they recorded a 1-18 to 1-16 victory against the Royal County.
The loss to the Kingdom follows recent setbacks against Galway and Leitrim although in all these games there has been a very experimental look to the Meath teams.
"You would like to be winning all your games, but at the same time it is not the main objective," O'Brien told the Meath Chronicle.
"The objective is to get games into guys before the Dublin match, but challenge games are not the same as competition.
"We are using them to get fellows attuned to football, that's the main objective. We're on schedule, but you would like to have the full deck to play from."
One of the most encouraging aspects of Meath's display against Kerry was the appearance of a number of players who are on their way back from injuries.
"The whole objective of the exercise was to give players a run out. We got a few players out and gave them some football, but we didn't risk any of them too much as they are still recovering," said O'Brien. "Kevin Reilly is out, but he should be okay, Brian Farrell got 30 minutes football into him, the same as Nigel Crawford, but we couldn't risk them any more than that, Cormac McGuinness the same, we have to nurse them along. We couldn't risk them for a full game."
O'Brien will be happy to see the return of some of the more experienced members of his squad especially as in recent months there have been up to nine or 10 players on the injured list, a high percentage of them with hamstring problems. Cormac McGill and David Bray are the main injury concerns a this stage.
Meath trained on Saturday in Killarney before returning home on Sunday.
The Leinster SFC clash against Dublin will be televised live on RTE, but ticket information will be available this week from Meath Co Committee and family tickets for the double-header at Croke Park, Dublin will also play Antrim in the Leinster SHC, are available from Leinster Council.
Meath supporters will have plenty of opportunities to see some inter-county action of the knock-out variety at Pairc Tailteann over the next week or so.
Meath minor football manager Pat Coyle will be bidding to plot a way to the Leinster semi-final when his team face Westmeath in Navan on Saturday, 2.0 and the following Wednesday the junior footballers will be in action. Following last Wednesday's victory over Wexford in the Leinster JFC, Kit Henry's side will face Longford at Pairc Tailteann on Wednesday, 23rd May, 7.30.
All guaranteed to whet the appetitite ahead of the Croke Park showdown next month
My biggest worry is still our two back lines. Apart from Moyles and McKeigue I still think we are shakey in this area. an open pitch like Croke Park with the Dubs running at us will tell alot. I still do not rate Kevin Reilly, hope he proves me wrong this year but Ive never had confidence in him. theres deff a big hole there with Fay gone. On saying that Im always optimistic going into a Meath Dublin game, you never know what can happen and if we can get a game or two under our belts we might just shake a few things up this year!
our weakest area as well. could be very high scoring I'd say.
Did Reilly get a ban for his altercation in a club game recently?
Dublin team named for challenge tonight v Mayo (Naomh Mearnog 8pm)
S Cluxton
D Henry, D Bastick, A Hubbard
P Griffin, G Brennan, B Cahill
C Whelan, D Magee
P Flynn, R McConnell, D Connolly
C Keaney, M Davoren, A Brogan
Coming very close to showing our hand. That won't be our starting line-up v Meath, but it won't be far away.
Then we have our final challenge v Down in Carryduff on Sunday (3.0) .
Keep an ear out for the radio Hound- distinct possibility that game could be called off if it rains much today.
The ban for Reilly wouldnt make a difference for the game, he's still eligible, that doesnt mean they have to select him of course!
dublin beat mayo 0-14 to 0-12 tonight. Not too inspiring all round O believe. Dublin made 15 subs at ht so what value the game was worth is debatable. Mayo led all the way till the last 10mins. Didn't get there myself due to work, but fairly insipid anyway like most challenge games.
By all accounts it seems the B team that took the field in the 2nd half were far more impressive than the A team that played the first! In particular old timers Shane and Jason playing well and I hear Ger Brennan was v poor again at 6.
I was at the challenge match on Friday night up in Naomh Mearnóg......Very bad performance by the Dubs so close to a championship match....I actually think there was 17 subs used...not great for a manager wanting to have a "settled" team....
The DuUbs look big, strong lads but jaysus their football skills were poor...Had a huge amount of wides..Ger Cafferky kept Brogan very quiet....Mayo were after stepping off a bus as well to play this match....not a bad performance by them!
I've lumped on Meath to win this one at 9/4....
Indeed, no consolation that despite a "very bad performance", using 17 subs, our poor football skills, a huge amount of wides and Brogan being kept very quiet, Mayo still couldnt beat us. Must have been a right nightmare of a bus journey.
Tickets now available
Just got my tickets there. 708 upper cusack.
When I check on ticketmaster for the best available seats, they come back with lower davin stand ??? ???
Is this because all the good tickets are at the clubs at the moment? If I wait, Would I be able to get a lower hogan or lower cusack ticket?
They never have decent stand tickets.
You should be able to get them through the club.
QuoteThey never have decent stand tickets.
You should be able to get them through the club.
Yeah, I getting stuck right up the back of the upper canal end now. I am a neutral so not in a club up here. Might give leinster council a call and see if I can something through there.
I went for the "print yourself" ticket option on ticketmaster. Anyone else get in with these. I suppose all tickets are barcode scanned nowadays and shouldnt be a problem.
Yeah they work grand juice.
according to the herald, vaughan, stephen o shaugnessy , derek murray, tiernan diamond were cut from the dublin squad.
Staggered by that personally.
I wouldn't really see a role for any of the four myself, Shaughs maybe but he seems to have fallen well down the pecking order. Vaughan doesn't do anything from play IMO.
Still top scorer in the all-ireland club championship Zulu. If you had a 50 yard free to win the game I'd prefer to at least have him on the bench rathr than Hill16.
O Shaughnessy is still the best man marker in the county. PLaying super stuff at club level and never saw 1min at NFL this year. With our concession rate I find that extraordinary. I'm flumoxxed as to what he's supposed to have done to get cut entirely.
The radio had Vaughan as injured and am staggered by O'Shaughnessy's treatment since 05, only genuine corner back I've seen play for Dublin in the last 5 years...
vaughan is carrying a bit of a back injury alright but I'm not sure they fancy him anyway-if you get my drift.
Yeah I can see the arguments for Shaughs alright but I think Dublin are ok for free takers so Vaughan's omission is understandable, at the end of the day if he ain't on the field he won't be brought on to kick a match winner from 50 yards cold. Now there are others who are probably offering as little from play and nothing from frees but I can't see a strong argument for his retention.
If I remember correctly Dublin wouldnt have beaten us in the 07 replay with out Vaughan taking the frees. I would reckon he'd be on the team if he was fit. He was excellent in the club championship.
Is Shane Ryan going to play a part against Meath at all?
Ticket info: Parnell Park ticket holders
Parnell Park Ticket Holders can purchase a ticket for the Leinster Championship games against Antrim (hurling) and Meath (football) from the GAA Ticket Office, 53 Lower Dorset Street on Tuesday June 2 between 9.30am and 7.30pm.
This office is located at the Drumcondra end of Dorset Street opposite the bottom of Whitworth Road beside the Red Parrott Pub.
NO tickets will be available for sale from Parnell Park at any stage during 2009.
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Quote from: INDIANA on May 26, 2009, 04:29:07 PM
according to the herald, vaughan, stephen o shaugnessy , derek murray, tiernan diamond were cut from the dublin squad.
Staggered by that personally.
I'm not 100% about Vaughan as he's carrying a knock but the others are gone back with a gym program, I was talking to one of them earlier - it's similar to the prehab one they started in January - no heavy weights etc..
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 26, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
The radio had Vaughan as injured and am staggered by O'Shaughnessy's treatment since 05, only genuine corner back I've seen play for Dublin in the last 5 years...
His shoulder went twice in that period and he fell out with Pillar over a holiday - I would've thought he'd be in the shakeup for a corner back spot under Gilroy but the full back line is the only line we know with 100% certainty who is first choice for Dublin as it stands..
Like Sherlock has, these guys can get back on the panel later, though barring injuries to others I can't see anyone but Vaughan returning this summer.
As I understand it Vaughan has been told he'll be reconsidered when he proves his fitness. Though I can imagin that playing for Kilmacud recenty while injured didnt go down all that well with Gilroy and Whelan.
Paul Casey has scored 4 or 5 point in the last 2 challege games. Now the opposition was only bus-sick Mayo and deflated Down, but I think our search for another scoring forward is over ;)
Quotebut I think our search for another scoring forward is over Wink
Ever the optimist Hound!!!
Quote from: Hound on May 27, 2009, 07:00:15 AM
Like Sherlock has, these guys can get back on the panel later, though barring injuries to others I can't see anyone but Vaughan returning this summer.
As I understand it Vaughan has been told he'll be reconsidered when he proves his fitness. Though I can imagin that playing for Kilmacud recenty while injured didnt go down all that well with Gilroy and Whelan.
Paul Casey has scored 4 or 5 point in the last 2 challege games. Now the opposition was only bus-sick Mayo and deflated Down, but I think our search for another scoring forward is over ;)
On any given panel we've 9-12 scoring forwards . Backs are the problem .
Dont think backs or forwards are the problem. As panels go it would be fairly healthy.
Where dublin have the problem is between the ears. Phsycologically they have'nt been able to make the breakthrough, threw away healthy leads and in the face of adversity capitulated.
Although its great that they are defeating Mayo in a friendly, they still have to cope once the media bandwagon starts, and when they face championship oppisition outside of Leinster
Quote from: heffo on May 26, 2009, 09:30:10 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 26, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
The radio had Vaughan as injured and am staggered by O'Shaughnessy's treatment since 05, only genuine corner back I've seen play for Dublin in the last 5 years...
His shoulder went twice in that period and he fell out with Pillar over a holiday - I would've thought he'd be in the shakeup for a corner back spot under Gilroy but the full back line is the only line we know with 100% certainty who is first choice for Dublin as it stands..
Once was in the middle of 05 though & he got back for the Tyrone game if I recall correctly. Pillar fawned all over Vaughan & others, yet in his major problem area (the fb line) he couldn't handle his only top quality option? Like I said, can't understand it...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 27, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 26, 2009, 09:30:10 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 26, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
The radio had Vaughan as injured and am staggered by O'Shaughnessy's treatment since 05, only genuine corner back I've seen play for Dublin in the last 5 years...
His shoulder went twice in that period and he fell out with Pillar over a holiday - I would've thought he'd be in the shakeup for a corner back spot under Gilroy but the full back line is the only line we know with 100% certainty who is first choice for Dublin as it stands..
Once was in the middle of 05 though & he got back for the Tyrone game if I recall correctly. Pillar fawned all over Vaughan & others, yet in his major problem area (the fb line) he couldn't handle his only top quality option? Like I said, can't understand it...
He's also had a lot of other injuries in that period and was destroyed in the Tyrone replay so while he did the business in the league and against lesser opposition in '05 I don't think he's played enough games against top teams to be described as top-quality - potentially yeah - but not yet - if I were Gilroy I would have been playing him in the corner instead of Henry during the league ..
Quote from: Bensars on May 27, 2009, 11:33:25 AM
Dont think backs or forwards are the problem. As panels go it would be fairly healthy.
Where dublin have the problem is between the ears. Phsycologically they have'nt been able to make the breakthrough, threw away healthy leads and in the face of adversity capitulated.
Although its great that they are defeating Mayo in a friendly, they still have to cope once the media bandwagon starts, and when they face championship oppisition outside of Leinster
Forwards win games ,backs lose them
Quote from: heffo on May 27, 2009, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 27, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 26, 2009, 09:30:10 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 26, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
The radio had Vaughan as injured and am staggered by O'Shaughnessy's treatment since 05, only genuine corner back I've seen play for Dublin in the last 5 years...
His shoulder went twice in that period and he fell out with Pillar over a holiday - I would've thought he'd be in the shakeup for a corner back spot under Gilroy but the full back line is the only line we know with 100% certainty who is first choice for Dublin as it stands..
Once was in the middle of 05 though & he got back for the Tyrone game if I recall correctly. Pillar fawned all over Vaughan & others, yet in his major problem area (the fb line) he couldn't handle his only top quality option? Like I said, can't understand it...
He's also had a lot of other injuries in that period and was destroyed in the Tyrone replay so while he did the business in the league and against lesser opposition in '05 I don't think he's played enough games against top teams to be described as top-quality - potentially yeah - but not yet - if I were Gilroy I would have been playing him in the corner instead of Henry during the league ..
Would agree with most of that, hence my surprise at his actual game time since...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 27, 2009, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 27, 2009, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 27, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 26, 2009, 09:30:10 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 26, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
The radio had Vaughan as injured and am staggered by O'Shaughnessy's treatment since 05, only genuine corner back I've seen play for Dublin in the last 5 years...
His shoulder went twice in that period and he fell out with Pillar over a holiday - I would've thought he'd be in the shakeup for a corner back spot under Gilroy but the full back line is the only line we know with 100% certainty who is first choice for Dublin as it stands..
Once was in the middle of 05 though & he got back for the Tyrone game if I recall correctly. Pillar fawned all over Vaughan & others, yet in his major problem area (the fb line) he couldn't handle his only top quality option? Like I said, can't understand it...
He's also had a lot of other injuries in that period and was destroyed in the Tyrone replay so while he did the business in the league and against lesser opposition in '05 I don't think he's played enough games against top teams to be described as top-quality - potentially yeah - but not yet - if I were Gilroy I would have been playing him in the corner instead of Henry during the league ..
Would agree with most of that, hence my surprise at his actual game time since...
Gilroy is either going to turn out to be a master strategist and tactician or be found to be wearing the Emperor's new clothes all along - things needed to be changed after the Tyrone game but I'm baffled by a few decisions..
I never quite understood why people (especially non-dubs) made such a big deal out of O'Shaughnessy.
Didn't even played a full season in '05 and got roasted by Eoin Mulligan.
Our entire backline were roasted that day and remember mulligan did shag all the first day on him bar that goal. Only for that goal Mulligan was being substituted. He's still the best man marker in the county. I watch a lot of the SFC I havent seen a better one even though lucan have started using him as an auxillairy wing forward. We're talking about 32 players here - is there 32 players better than him.
Who would you prefer Casey or Shocko?
O'Shaughnessy was very impressive Jixy as Indiana says, Mulligan was having a very quiet game until the goal.
My opinion of Vaughan dropped considerably when Armagh beat Dublin in the League last year. He didn;t want a piece of it once McKeever walked towards him to mark him.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 27, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
I never quite understood why people (especially non-dubs) made such a big deal out of O'Shaughnessy.
Didn't even played a full season in '05 and got roasted by Eoin Mulligan.
Wouldn't be making a big deal out of him but compared to the options they have in corner back I can never understand why he's never gotten a fair crack of the whip.
And wasn't it Paddy Christie who was marking him (well supposed to be) for that goal???
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 27, 2009, 03:10:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 27, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
I never quite understood why people (especially non-dubs) made such a big deal out of O'Shaughnessy.
Didn't even played a full season in '05 and got roasted by Eoin Mulligan.
And wasn't it Paddy Christie who was marking him (well supposed to be) for that goal???
IIRC - Christie picked up O'Neill in the first game and appeared on the pitch togged in the replay but didn't play
Quote from: heffo on May 27, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 27, 2009, 03:10:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 27, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
I never quite understood why people (especially non-dubs) made such a big deal out of O'Shaughnessy.
Didn't even played a full season in '05 and got roasted by Eoin Mulligan.
And wasn't it Paddy Christie who was marking him (well supposed to be) for that goal???
IIRC - Christie picked up O'Neill in the first game and appeared on the pitch togged in the replay but didn't play
Looks like him anyway left on the deck... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyeE9Xtksbc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyeE9Xtksbc&feature=related)
Anyone have 3 (maybe 4) spare tickets for the game.
Don't want to pay ticketmaster fees.
Can pick up at Central Station or about the ground on match day.
Any idea on the Meath team at all? Are there still a few injuries with ye boys??
Dublin team expected to be - Cluxton, Henry, Bastic, Hubbard, Griffen, Brennan, Cahil, Whelan, Magee, Flynn, McConnell, Connolly, Brogan, Keaney, Brogan - Savage, Casey, Cullen, Ryan, Fennell, Davoren, Sherlock, Quinn, Andrews, Kelly on the bench...
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on June 01, 2009, 05:52:20 PM
Any idea on the Meath team at all? Are there still a few injuries with ye boys??
Dublin team expected to be - Cluxton, Henry, Bastic, Hubbard, Griffen, Brennan, Cahil, Whelan, Magee, Flynn, McConnell, Connolly, Brogan, Keaney, Brogan - Savage, Casey, Cullen, Ryan, Fennell, Davoren, Sherlock, Quinn, Andrews, Kelly on the bench...
That's the team alright - there's not going to be any middle ground with Gilroy's approach - spoke to a couple of the lads let go last week - two of whom are like whippets and were given six weeks to put on weight - there is more the Vaughan situation and his 'bad back' than meets the eye too..
Told by a well connected person ;)- Whelan may well be out. In fact he's a major doubt.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 01, 2009, 08:12:39 PM
Told by a well connected person ;)- Whelan may well be out. In fact he's a major doubt.
Just got a text saying the same thing - we have more than enough cover in midfield to not start Whelan if he's not fit.
Surely he won't play Brennan at center back? Other than that it looks a decent Dublin team and one that could do something this year, it's Leinster/Connacht too so if the winner of Connacht and Dublin made it to the semi final stage they'd fancy it more than the Munster ot Ulster champions.
There is likely to be one change Zulu as said earlier but it won't be in the backs but the rest is as is. Mc Connell will go to midfield and a forward will come in. Likely to be Quinn/Andrews. They expected Whelan to be ok but it hasn't responded.
Quote from: heffo on June 01, 2009, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on June 01, 2009, 05:52:20 PM
Any idea on the Meath team at all? Are there still a few injuries with ye boys??
Dublin team expected to be - Cluxton, Henry, Bastic, Hubbard, Griffen, Brennan, Cahil, Whelan, Magee, Flynn, McConnell, Connolly, Brogan, Keaney, Brogan - Savage, Casey, Cullen, Ryan, Fennell, Davoren, Sherlock, Quinn, Andrews, Kelly on the bench...
That's the team alright - there's not going to be any middle ground with Gilroy's approach - spoke to a couple of the lads let go last week - two of whom are like whippets and were given six weeks to put on weight - there is more the Vaughan situation and his 'bad back' than meets the eye too..
Do Tell what happened?
Would Davoren not be pushing for a start?
Leinster Council: Full house unlikely
02 June 2009
Leinster Council chairman Seamus Howlin is predicting an attendance of between 60,000 and 70,000 for next Sunday's Leinster SFC and SHC double-header at Croke Park.
The historic Leinster SHC meeting of Dublin and Antrim will be followed by the glamour Leinster SFC clash of old rivals Dublin and Meath. But the prospect of the games attracting a full house of 82,300 appears unlikely according to the Leinster chief.
"Obviously, we'd be delighted if the crowd for next Sunday matched that for the drawn game of two years ago between Dublin and Meath," Howlin said.
"But the reality is that people don't have as much money in their pocket as they had in former years. Nevertheless, despite that fact, we'd be hoping for a crowd of between 60,000 and 70,000, and we'd be very happy with that figure."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=112323
I'd be very surprised if there was less than 70,000 at it anyway.
Quote from: longball on June 02, 2009, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 01, 2009, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on June 01, 2009, 05:52:20 PM
Any idea on the Meath team at all? Are there still a few injuries with ye boys??
Dublin team expected to be - Cluxton, Henry, Bastic, Hubbard, Griffen, Brennan, Cahil, Whelan, Magee, Flynn, McConnell, Connolly, Brogan, Keaney, Brogan - Savage, Casey, Cullen, Ryan, Fennell, Davoren, Sherlock, Quinn, Andrews, Kelly on the bench...
That's the team alright - there's not going to be any middle ground with Gilroy's approach - spoke to a couple of the lads let go last week - two of whom are like whippets and were given six weeks to put on weight - there is more the Vaughan situation and his 'bad back' than meets the eye too..
Do Tell what happened?
Would Davoren not be pushing for a start?
According to the Hogan Stand (no doubt robbed from the Herald or Star) he will be starting. Would be surprised if he wasnt's showed very well in the club championship and played well in the few league games he got too I believe. Offers a serious goal threat.
HOGAN STAND ARTICLE
Speculation is mounting that the Dublin team which Pat Gilroy announces tomorrow morning will show as many as seven changes from that which collapsed to Tyrone last year.
The new Dublin boss is set to dismantle the old guard for Sunday's Leinster SFC opener against Meath, and that is likely to spell bad news for established stars such as Bryan Cullen, Ciaran Whelan, Shane Ryan and Jason Sherlock.
Gilroy is poised to hand full championship debuts to four players - Alan Hubbard, Denis Bastick and Ger Brennan in defence, along with Mark Davoren in attack - while under 21 star Paddy Andrews is also set to start.
Of the seven veterans set to lose out, Colin Moran is the only player no longer part of the playing squad after he was forced into premature retirement because of a hip injury. Whelan and Ryan will be replaced by Darren Magee and former full back Ross McConnell in a new-look midfield, while Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn and Mark Davoren are expected to get the nod ahead of Sherlock, Kevin Bonner and Tomas Quinn in attack.
Meanwhile, team captain Paul Griffin's switch to the half back line could result in Bryan Cullen being squeezed out, with Ger Brennan and Barry Cahill looking shoo-ins for the other two half back positions.
To be fair to Gilroy I think his experimentation during the league is paying off now and the Dublin team to take the field this Sunday is much better than last years. The only problem he has is will a team that hasn't played together that much gel, though they may have the Leinster championship to iron out the creases.
What's happened to Shane Ryan? Did he not have a great year last year?
Going in primarily to support the hurlers and will obviously cheer on the footballers. However, I am firmly of the opinion that Dublin not winning Leinster this year is our way forward. Have been caught in the last 4 years with no recourse to remedy the pain/defeat (both players and mgmt), a trip through the qualifiers with the barrage of criticism (which they will inevitably get) as a motivating tool might be what this team needs. Don't buy into that cheap argument that the backdoor would not suit us........a lazy untested argument (since the Lyons era).
Hope I am proven wrong but I have my doubts about Bastic, Brennan and McConnell. Brennan will probably be ok but I am worried that a club midfielder (Bastic obviously) is our full back, a specialist position which imo means you have to play it (or centre half back at a push....... take a bow Paddy Christie) at club level to master it. Truth be told I am not impressed with Ross although he has many admirers. Looked clueless at fullback and I firmly believe a good player can and should be able to play any position reasonably well.
If we draw Kerry?Armagh/Cork in the early rounds.....so be it ......bring it on!!!!!!!
Personally,would hate to see this panel stigmatized with a "5 Leinsters no Sam" tag which imo they do not deserve.I am mindful though of the likes of Kevin O'Brien, Stefan White,Mattie Forde,Stephen Bray who would have/still loved a L medal so if I fully accept that I am bordering on the arrogant in my views.
Quote from: Zulu on June 02, 2009, 08:33:45 PM
To be fair to Gilroy I think his experimentation during the league is paying off now and the Dublin team to take the field this Sunday is much better than last years. The only problem he has is will a team that hasn't played together that much gel, though they may have the Leinster championship to iron out the creases.
Wouldn't overly agree but we will see. Hopefully you will be right but I have my doubts. The concession rate is still the same as last year so far despite changing half the defence and the zonal marking system has been a disaster. Thats been our problem for the last 4 years. Granted they had to change something but whether we have the players to work those systems is another thing.
QuoteMeath have been in the mood for experimentation and probable change as well, with Caoimhin King almost certain to be selected at full-forward where he featured consistently during the league until the latter stages.
King, an All Star nominee as a half-back two years ago, will give Meath mobility and presence in his new position if the management press ahead with plans to select there.
Manager Eamonn O'Brien was a selector with Sean Boylan when Brendan Reilly was converted from half-back to full-forward for the 1996 All-Ireland triumph and was at Boylan's side again in 1999 when Graham Geraghty flew the same path via the half-forward line to provide one of the more inspiring transformations for the county's last All-Ireland triumph.
Even more interesting could be the selection of Shane McAnarney as one half-forward and Brian Meade as the other, a clear effort to provide more industry across this line given how McAnarney is more noted as a defender and Meade has championship experience as a midfielder.
Otherwise Meath will select later this week along expected lines with Anthony Moyles at the heart of defence and Paddy O'Rourke, nephew of Colm, an expected debutant as goalkeeper in the wake of Brendan Murphy's retirement and David Gallagher's continued injury problems.
- Colm Keys
I know Colm Keys isnt picking the team but when you start reading it in the papers you start to fear that it will become a reality. Now it could prove a master stroke as King is great for winning ball but what happens when he has it. Has he the talent to finish it of with a score and I think most vitally for Sunday putting it in the net?
Lads, can anyone confirm the results of both teams recent challenge games?
Wont count for a pile come Sunday but just curious.
Don't know why meath fans are so hard on the guy. He's a fine player and every forward line needs a ball winner. You can't score if you can't get the ball. He's ideal for other people to play off and I've seen him kicking scores. He mighn't kick 1-6. BUt if he scores a couple and sets up Bray and Co - can't see where the problem is.
Dublin team named:
Stephen Cluxton (Parnells)
David Henry (Raheny), Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge St), Alan Hubbard (Ballymun Kickhams)
Paul Griffin (Kilmacud Crokes), Ger Brennan (St Vincents), Barry Cahill (St Brigids)
Ross McConnell (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh), Darren Magee (Kilmacud Crokes)
Paul Flynn (Fingallians), Paddy Andrews (St Brigids), Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh)
Conal Keaney (Ballyboden St Endas), Mark Davoren (Kilmacud Crokes), Alan Brogan (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh)
Almost as expected. Presumably Paddy Andrews in because Whelan not 100%, but somewhat of a surprise that Davoren in ahead of Connolly.
Quote from: Kentucky Blue on June 03, 2009, 11:21:33 AM
Lads, can anyone confirm the results of both teams recent challenge games?
Wont count for a pile come Sunday but just curious.
Dublin lost their first 3 challenges to Louth, Armagh and... not sure who the other was against, Monaghan maybe.
Then they beat Mayo and Down.
Meath lost to Galway, Leitrim and Kerry. Not sure if they played any more.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 03, 2009, 11:21:52 AM
Don't know why meath fans are so hard on the guy. He's a fine player and every forward line needs a ball winner. You can't score if you can't get the ball. He's ideal for other people to play off and I've seen him kicking scores. He mighn't kick 1-6. BUt if he scores a couple and sets up Bray and Co - can't see where the problem is.
Just think he's better in the backs. He's a great player no doubt about it. Just not won over by playing him in the forward line. In theory it should be fine but I didnt see much evidence of it working like that in the league.
QuoteJust think he's better in the backs. He's a great player no doubt about it. Just not won over by playing him in the forward line. In theory it should be fine but I didnt see much evidence of it working like that in the league.
Agreed - He's a good one but I can't even remember the last time he played for us at FF
Quote from: Hound on June 03, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Dublin team named:
Stephen Cluxton (Parnells)
David Henry (Raheny), Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge St), Alan Hubbard (Ballymun Kickhams)
Paul Griffin (Kilmacud Crokes), Ger Brennan (St Vincents), Barry Cahill (St Brigids)
Ross McConnell (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh), Darren Magee (Kilmacud Crokes)
Paul Flynn (Fingallians), Paddy Andrews (St Brigids), Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh)
Conal Keaney (Ballyboden St Endas), Mark Davoren (Kilmacud Crokes), Alan Brogan (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh)
Almost as expected. Presumably Paddy Andrews in because Whelan not 100%, but somewhat of a surprise that Davoren in ahead of Connolly.
Quote from: Kentucky Blue on June 03, 2009, 11:21:33 AM
Lads, can anyone confirm the results of both teams recent challenge games?
Wont count for a pile come Sunday but just curious.
Dublin lost their first 3 challenges to Louth, Armagh and... not sure who the other was against, Monaghan maybe.
Then they beat Mayo and Down.
Meath lost to Galway, Leitrim and Kerry. Not sure if they played any more.
Connolly is not fit. They were hoping he would be. Andrews is in for Connolly. Not sure if Whelan was fit he'd be starting.
Quote from: Hound on June 03, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Dublin team named:
Stephen Cluxton (Parnells)
David Henry (Raheny), Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge St), Alan Hubbard (Ballymun Kickhams)
Paul Griffin (Kilmacud Crokes), Ger Brennan (St Vincents), Barry Cahill (St Brigids)
Ross McConnell (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh), Darren Magee (Kilmacud Crokes)
Paul Flynn (Fingallians), Paddy Andrews (St Brigids), Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh)
Conal Keaney (Ballyboden St Endas), Mark Davoren (Kilmacud Crokes), Alan Brogan (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh)
Almost as expected. Presumably Paddy Andrews in because Whelan not 100%, but somewhat of a surprise that Davoren in ahead of Connolly.
Looks a strong lineup from the Dubs. I would expect them to account for Meath quite comfortably. I've been impressed with the way Gilroy has freshened up this Dublin panel. They should have plenty of experience to spring from the bench in the last 20 minutes as well.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 03, 2009, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 03, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Dublin team named:
Stephen Cluxton (Parnells)
David Henry (Raheny), Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge St), Alan Hubbard (Ballymun Kickhams)
Paul Griffin (Kilmacud Crokes), Ger Brennan (St Vincents), Barry Cahill (St Brigids)
Ross McConnell (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh), Darren Magee (Kilmacud Crokes)
Paul Flynn (Fingallians), Paddy Andrews (St Brigids), Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh)
Conal Keaney (Ballyboden St Endas), Mark Davoren (Kilmacud Crokes), Alan Brogan (St Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh)
Almost as expected. Presumably Paddy Andrews in because Whelan not 100%, but somewhat of a surprise that Davoren in ahead of Connolly.
Looks a strong lineup from the Dubs. I would expect them to account for Meath quite comfortably. I've been impressed with the way Gilroy has freshened up this Dublin panel. They should have plenty of experience to spring from the bench in the last 20 minutes as well.
No one on the pitch to take distance frees. ???
In two minds over it- it had to be freshened up. But i asked myself this morning would that team frighten Meath with 7 newcomers. Ciaran Whelan comes in for dogs abuse here, but he's a talismanic figure for Dublin in the last 4 years. It will be interesting to see how we get on. Not as confident as I was a week ago. All it would take is for one of the Brogans to get another hamstring injury and we'd look fairly threadbare.
Having said that I don't know what Meath team is even going to turn up on Sunday. Whether thats a good thing for them or not I don't know.
The Dublin forwards look alright, but have no real confidence in the backs, Ger Brennan is a fine footballer, but does not mark his man, Barry Cahill hasn't played well this year, Bastic in my opinion is just not at this level, and I've seen him at club level for a good few years now.....liable to do something silly....and hubbard in fairness is a good player.....
Hope they put Berno into the full forward line
liihb - Has Bastic not done enough of a job in the league to show he is capable of playing fullback?? He coped pretty well with Cavanagh, Donaghy etc already...
Whelan/Connolly would both have been in the team but aren't 100% so Andrews and Flynn came in for them....
With regards to Brennan the question needs to be asked is he doing what he is told in terms of marking or not and if he wasn't I doubt he would be picked...
Pretty confident we will win, good to see new players coming through and improving the depth in the squad considerably...
A bench of Casey, Cullen, Ryan, Whelan, Fennell, Quinn, Sherlock, Vaughan, Connolly, Kelly etc is a strong bench...
Nope DSFM the only injury doubt is Connolly.
Bastic is fine - he's done well so far .
I hope you're right DSFM I don't share your optimism. There is 4 guys not starting that would be in my team simply because I don't think the replacements are better than them. It seems to me a bit of change for changes sake, rather than based on form in the last 8 weeks because I've been at some of the challenge games and most of the league games.
Indiana - I guess we need to agree to disagree on Whelan as I hear that his calf injury isn't 100% thats why he isn't starting and Ross was due to start at chf...
I'm pretty happy with the backs.
Bastic is not the best full back in the country, he's not the best in the province, but based on the NFL I'm pretty sure he's the best in the county. So no matter how he does, I don't think anyone else would have done better.
I think we've got the right 3 half backs too. Personally I thought Barry Cahill was our best player during the league campaign, will be good to see how Griff does as an intercounty wing back, and I think Brennan deserves the final spot ahead of Cullen and Casey. Getting the balance right is key, as IMO every half back we have is more an intercounty wing back than an intercounty centre back. Someone will have to man the centre at all times, but it doesnt have to be the same person all the time.
I am worried about midfield. I think Ross has the ability to be a top centre fielder but it won't happen overnight. I'd much sooner see Whelo alongside him. I have huge doubts over Darren, but I'll put them to one side on Sunday and hope he proves me wrong.
Not convinced by the forwards. Flynn played really well v Meath in the league last year, but I havent seen him do a whole lot since. Paddy Andrews was hugely disappointing in the U21 defeat, so hope that was a one-off. Davoren always seems a bit light to me, but I'm happy enough he's getting his chance.
Very hard to predict what's going to happen as I haven't a notion what Meath will be like, but either way the craic should be great on Sunday!
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on June 03, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
Indiana - I guess we need to agree to disagree on Whelan as I hear that his calf injury isn't 100% thats why he isn't starting and Ross was due to start at chf...
He hasn't been selected. He had a calf injury but that doesn't seem to be why he's not starting- suprisingly. He's a 100% now. A mistake in my view but we'll see what happens.
Meath must be loving this 90% of dublin fans expect to win by 6/7 points and I can't remember bar 1995 any game where either team beat the other by more than 2/3 points. Not a peep out of them.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 03, 2009, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on June 03, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
Indiana - I guess we need to agree to disagree on Whelan as I hear that his calf injury isn't 100% thats why he isn't starting and Ross was due to start at chf...
He hasn't been selected. He had a calf injury but that doesn't seem to be why he's not starting- suprisingly. He's a 100% now. A mistake in my view but we'll see what happens.
Meath must be loving this 90% of dublin fans expect to win by 6/7 points and I can't remember bar 1995 any game where either team beat the other by more than 2/3 points. Not a peep out of them.
No one I've talked too expects to walk it.
QuoteHas Bastic not done enough of a job in the league to show he is capable of playing fullback?? He coped pretty well with Cavanagh, Donaghy etc already
In all fairness he has done quite well, but you know when you have a sneaking suspicion about a player in the back of your mind that just won't go away?
As for Brennan possibly being told to not mark, then shite.
As for Cahills form, I suppose I'm basing it on club champo form, he's been poor of late, but I'm sure (or at least I hope) he'll step it up for the Dubs
QuoteNot a peep out of them
The Royal lads I've spoken to are quietly confident
We're massive underdogs for this game, and as the song says, that's the way aw huh aw huh I likes it! ;D
Is the Meath team announced yet Jinxy?
After training this evening I think.
I've been thinking about the Dublin team Gilroy has gone for and on the presumption he will start as selected I think it might be a very smart selection. I think he may have left some of the established players off the team in a calculated risk, this Sunday is an opportunity to see what players are made of in a massive game in front of 70K+ against Dublin's biggest rivals. He knows what Whelan, Ryan, Cullen, Casey etc. can do, I think he may want to see what other lads can do in this type of cauldron and what leaders he has when Whelan, Cullen and Ryan aren't around. He also has the advantage of having real game changers on the bench to bring on and lift the team if things aren't going to plan. These games are won in the second half anyway and Gilroy will be able to have all his big names on at that stage so I don't see any negatives to leaving Whelan et al. on the bench. If the starting players don't meet this challenge then he'll know he hasn't men he can call on to face the really big guns like Kerry and Tyrone and will revert to a similar 15 to last year.
Meath team for Sunday
Paddy O'Rourke
Anthony Moyles
Kevin Reilly
Eoghan Harrington
Séamus Kenny
Niall McKeigue
Cormac McGuinness
Mark Ward
Nigel Crawford
Shane McAnarney
Stephen Bray (c)
Brian Meade
Brian Farrell
Caoimhín King
Cian Ward
I'd say there'll be a lot of moving around before the throw-in.
Some lad put together a few video clips of old Meath - Dublin games on youtube.
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DE05995C7F2FA846
Some classic moments in there.
Can't wait for the match...
Quote from: Zulu on June 04, 2009, 11:51:49 PM
Meath team for Sunday
Paddy O'Rourke
Anthony Moyles
Kevin Reilly
Eoghan Harrington
Séamus Kenny
Niall McKeigue
Cormac McGuinness
Mark Ward
Nigel Crawford
Shane McAnarney
Stephen Bray (c)
Brian Meade
Brian Farrell
Caoimhín King
Cian Ward
thats a very good lineup. Surprised Peadar Byrne isn't playing but other than that it looks very strong. Should be a good game.
Dunno about McKeigue at centre-back but I'm not sure he'll stay there anyway.
I think Moyles will pick up Bernard Brogan though.
Meade has a great pair of hands on him so he provides an option from kick-outs.
Peadar and big Joe are good options to bring on in the forward line.
I hope to god Farrell can get through the full game.
I've been giving out about King at FF all through the league so hopefully he'll make me eat my words on Sunday.
Yea agree about King but hopefully he shut us up come Sunday. More so I hope K Reilly shuts me up on Sunday too, dont trust him there. hopefully he'll keep his disicipline on sunday too, bit of a hot head at times. I have never witnessed such a quiet build up to a Meath Dublin game before. Its nearly sureeal. I think everyone is going to explode on Sunday when we actually hit Crokers! I think either Meath will actually sneak a very close game OR Dublin will blow us out of the park. obviously Im hoping for choice one. ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2009, 09:25:09 AM
Dunno about McKeigue at centre-back but I'm not sure he'll stay there anyway.
I think Moyles will pick up Bernard Brogan though.
Meade has a great pair of hands on him so he provides an option from kick-outs.
Peadar and big Joe are good options to bring on in the forward line.
I hope to god Farrell can get through the full game.
I've been giving out about King at FF all through the league so hopefully he'll make me eat my words on Sunday.
I would've thought McKeigue will pick up A Brogan and Moyles on Keaney?
The closer the game gets the less confident I am of a Dublin win.
Quote from: Declan on June 05, 2009, 09:59:11 AM
The closer the game gets the less confident I am of a Dublin win.
Why do you be confident? Two evenly matched teams in a game where form goes out the window.
Caoimhín King at full forward? Hes the guy that used to be left half back???
QuoteWhy do you be confident? Two evenly matched teams in a game where form goes out the window.
Not evenly matched according to Paul Bealin!
QuoteWhy do you be confident? Two evenly matched teams in a game where form goes out the window.
I know but in the last few years I've always felt we had the slight edge - maybe it's the uncertainty of how the new lads will settle in and I'm just not convinced on the FB line and Brennan at CHB.
Declan Ger won't be at 6. He'll be somewhere else on the pitch. Just to put your mind at rest.
QuoteDeclan Ger won't be at 6. He'll be somewhere else on the pitch. Just to put your mind at rest.
So will Cahill start CHB then?
likely to be griffin I'd say.
what the story about young o'rouke?is he not making it?
Chronic injury trouble.
He's right to get himself sorted now when he's young.
He's another 10 years ahead of him playing with the county.
Yeah, I really just dont know what to expect. Its like an angel and devil on my shoulder almost. One saying we are going to sneak it the other saying we're going to get a serious beating.
As for King playing full forward, I hope it pays off, we only scored 2 goals in 7 games in the league.
RE: Drumanee 1
Shane O'Rourke is out for the season. Hamstring or ACL problems, I'm not sure which.
hamstring problems in both legs. Spoke to someone in DCU about it. Grew too quickly as a result his hamstrings couldn't carry the body weight. He's a class act though and he's only 20/21 so he'll be back. But they don't expect to see him this year.
Quote from: thejuice on June 05, 2009, 11:15:55 AM
Yeah, I really just dont know what to expect. Its like an angel and devil on my shoulder almost. One saying we are going to sneak it the other saying we're going to get a serious beating.
As for King playing full forward, I hope it pays off, we only scored 2 goals in 7 games in the league.
RE: Drumanee 1
Shane O'Rourke is out for the season. Hamstring or ACL problems, I'm not sure which.
up until his injury how was he getting on?,was a serious underage talent,that goal he scored for his school was unreal.
Looked a great prospect in the run to the semi-final in 2007.
Hasn't played much since really.
This year I predict a much quietier match as that thug Whelan isn't playing and the overhyped one year wonder sherlock also dropped who wouldn't even get on any good team in ulster.
QuoteThis year I predict a much quietier match as that thug Whelan isn't playing and the overhyped one year wonder sherlock also dropped who wouldn't even get on any good team in ulster.
Asa neutral, I'm disappointed Whelan isnt playing. He would liven things up a bit!
Quote from: Boozehell on June 05, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
This year I predict a much quietier match as that thug Whelan isn't playing and the overhyped one year wonder sherlock also dropped who wouldn't even get on any good team in ulster.
Tool
I think the biggest thing is that Meath fans genuinely do not know what this team will/can do. Id be abit of a mad Meath fan and everyone I know is saying to me youre awfully quiet before a Meath Dublin game, what going on?! I dont know whats going on, thats it. Im waiting until Sunday to see where this team is at. I am not too hopeful but at the same time, kinda reminds of 96, so you never know! :-\
Quote from: Boozehell on June 05, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
This year I predict a much quietier match as that thug Whelan isn't playing and the overhyped one year wonder sherlock also dropped who wouldn't even get on any good team in ulster.
True he doesn't headbutt people, kick people in the bollox, stand on their toes, punch supporters and relentessly goad the opposition about their family and siblings. On that basis he wouldn't meet the set criteria for the Ulster championship as we saw in Celtic Park 2 weeks ago.
No shame in that in my view.
no just leave that to ciaran whelan so secs in 2 a championship match a few yrs ago live on rte he caught the ball and blatantly punched the man in the face and only got a yellow card for it.
Still don't remember Ciaran don't any of the offences I've mentioned. If you've something to say on the match itself - by all means do. If not piss off.
Yes Indiana I do I just hope the Dublin supporters remember the match starts at 4 o'clock and not just be leaving the pub at that time and expect the match to be held up for them
Quote from: Boozehell on June 05, 2009, 01:41:23 PM
Yes Indiana I do I just hope the Dublin supporters remember the match starts at 4 o'clock and not just be leaving the pub at that time and expect the match to be held up for them
Dublin had fifteen competitive games last year - one was delayed due to the Westmeath bus arriving late - if you were at the match you would've seen Westmeath doing their bump-into-each-other warmup right up until the national anthem
Are you from Down? The same county that was involved in a delayed game v Tyrone last year in the SFC?
The reason for that was genuine traffic congestion in a small town with people from tyrone and neutrals coming from counties such as fermanagh and monaghan trying to get parked and walk nearly 4 miles to come and watch the match. Unlike many of the games dublin were held up in Crok Park cause Dublin supporters coming late from the pub and causing the crowd build up
Quote from: Boozehell on June 05, 2009, 02:00:26 PM
The reason for that was genuine traffic congestion in a small town with people from tyrone and neutrals coming from counties such as fermanagh and monaghan trying to get parked and walk nearly 4 miles to come and watch the match. Unlike many of the games dublin were held up in Crok Park cause Dublin supporters coming late from the pub and causing the crowd build up
So both counties had one game delayed last year?
One with 82,500 people entering a stadium and one with 18,000?
No further questions 'boozer'..
Get your facts right heffo pairc esler holds over 20,000.
Quote from: Boozehell on June 05, 2009, 02:08:50 PM
Get your facts right heffo pairc esler holds over 20,000.
What was the attendance on the day in Pairc Esler?
between 20,000 - 25,000
Quote from: Boozehell on June 05, 2009, 02:12:25 PM
between 20,000 - 25,000
"In front of a crowd of 18,272"
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/0614/tyrone_down.html
Keep digging Boozer..
Don't worry about him Heffo he probably lives in the boozer.
What's the story of this game not expected to be sold out?? I cannot for the life of me figure that one out.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 05, 2009, 02:58:52 PM
Don't worry about him Heffo he probably lives in the boozer.
He's going eerily quiet - I'm a little worried.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 05, 2009, 03:02:36 PM
What's the story of this game not expected to be sold out?? I cannot for the life of me figure that one out.
Yeah, Im surprised as well, I thought we'd have at least 70,000 at it. Guess the recession is really hitting the pockets hard.
Though I wouldnt mind it if there were a few free seats below me as we're up in the nose bleeds on the Hogan.
Quote from: thejuice on June 05, 2009, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 05, 2009, 03:02:36 PM
What's the story of this game not expected to be sold out?? I cannot for the life of me figure that one out.
Yeah, Im surprised as well, I thought we'd have at least 70,000 at it. Guess the recession is really hitting the pockets hard.
Though I wouldnt mind it if there were a few free seats below me as we're up in the nose bleeds on the Hogan.
I ordered the same amount of tickets for my club as we always do as ticket requests had to be in a week early and we only had a fraction of the normal order levels in - we're now stuck with tons of tickets as club members who normally never miss a game just aren't going due to the recession
In the same boat- can't get rid of them. First time since the mid 80's dublin v meath hasn't sold out to near capacity. People may laugh about the recession but it will hit attendances this year. I know people who usually bring their kids and just can't afford it this year .
Yeah seem lots of Tickets knocking around but if the weather picks up you should be able to get rid of them.
There'll be over 70,000 at least at it.
On Newstalk this evening, they said the GAA were warning that the match was almost sold out... ??? ???
Taken from AFR.
Tickets are almost sold out for Sunday's Leinster GAA Senior Championship double header between Dublin and Antrim in hurling and Dublin and Meath in football.
The GAA advises all supporters planning to attend Sunday's double header to beat the queues and avoid disappointment and purchase tickets in advance.
The new GAA Ticket Shop is now operational and tickets can be purchased from 53 Lower Dorset St (Saturday 11am to 4pm).
Tickets are also available from:
- The official GAA website at www.gaa.ie
- Ticketmaster outlets
thats good news- first full house of the year at croker. hopefully the rain will stay away. torential rain in dublin this morning.
Think tomorrow is supposed to be ok weatherwise.
Handeryle
well on my in for the stick fighting first. Hoping for 2 wins for the Dubs.
I hope it's some game after all the complaining you've done about Ulster's game Gnevin.
I'd say score line will be something like 6-43 to 7-35
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
thats good news- first full house of the year at croker. hopefully the rain will stay away. torential rain in dublin this morning.
remember what happen the dubs last year in the rain
Yeah; it was the weather that beat us that day alright.
what a miss
boring
not the best game i have seen today.
I spy with my little eye......
Serious amount of fouling, is that all the scores coming from frees? I missed one of Dublin's was that from play?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
Serious amount of fouling, is that all the scores coming from frees? I missed one of Dublin's was that from play?
Are you watchinh on justin.tv? Link was working well for second half of munster game but its been shite so far in this match.
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
not the best game i have seen today.
I spy with my little eye......
a hill filled with soccer fans
Da Dubs in da disarray!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
Serious amount of fouling, is that all the scores coming from frees? I missed one of Dublin's was that from play?
yeah
http://www.justin.tv/sportstime/popout (http://www.justin.tv/sportstime/popout)
Its not a wonderful picture but better than nothing.
Quote from: Rav67 on June 07, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
Serious amount of fouling, is that all the scores coming from frees? I missed one of Dublin's was that from play?
Are you watchinh on justin.tv? Link was working well for second half of munster game but its been shite so far in this match.
Its on the RTE site
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 07, 2009, 04:18:42 PM
Da Dubs in da disarray!
Great play from Meath though and some fine scores.
Some spell for Meath.
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2009, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on June 07, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
Serious amount of fouling, is that all the scores coming from frees? I missed one of Dublin's was that from play?
Are you watchinh on justin.tv? Link was working well for second half of munster game but its been shite so far in this match.
Its on the RTE site
YOu can only get that if you're in Ireland
Dublin have definitely improved from under Caffery.... they've managed to go into meltdown now after 10 mins as opposed to the usual 60 mins of years gone by ;D ;D
the soccer fans on the hill jeering the meath frees
suppose when you have nothing to cheer about
Wonder how long it'll be to all the auld hands are introduced for Dublin
after all the talk of need for changes ;)
jeeze meath seem poor, it's a good job Dublin can't shoot.
Meath backs not marking giving Dub forwards all the space they need
Nice punch in the mouth for the goalkeeper by Conal Keaney! Eye on the ball at the time of course ;)
Leitrim ladies over 60s team would shoot better than Dublins forwards!
Meath need to do something about the kickouts ffs
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
Meath need to do something about the kickouts ffs
straight down the middle every time
Da Dubs are in da delirious dominance!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
Serious amount of fouling, is that all the scores coming from frees? I missed one of Dublin's was that from play?
yeah
http://www.justin.tv/sportstime/popout (http://www.justin.tv/sportstime/popout)
Its not a wonderful picture but better than nothing.
Cheers, its much better than the link I was using.
Dublin should run away with this!! But they could let it drop in the 2nd half as they have done before! Hope it'll be a class 2nd half!!
C'MON MEATH! ;D
Meath have lost thier last 13 kickouts according to Joe brolly, unreal.
season ending injury their methinks. hopefully I,m wrong :(
Strange game this. One team goes on a run and the other fades out and then the reverse happens.
Dubs wasting some chances.
They reckon it might be the cruciate for Davoren...
Hopefully not you dont like 2 see anybody badly injured
bit like Beano and Ricey and around about the same place on the pitch
kildare looking good for Leinster
how mant wides is that from the Dubs?
Quote from: tyronefan on June 07, 2009, 05:23:48 PM
bit like Beano and Ricey and around about the same place on the pitch
Beano McDonald broke his leg, this lad didn't. Also happened at other end of pitch and other sideline.
Quote from: tyronefan on June 07, 2009, 05:25:08 PM
kildare looking good for Leinster
wash your mouth out, we'll have none of that talk around here
terrible terrible game
Only 2 minutes injury time?
he must have missed the cork kerry game
75,000 watched that classic
A really crap game. Standard of football was very low.
2 minutes added time was a joke. There should have been atleast 5 minutes added time. Where they got the 2 minutes is beyond me, typical Dublin bias as per usual. Dublin is all hype, they'll get no where, every year is "their year" they wont threaten anyone this year. They'll have no one shaking in their boots, that said, we all know what the papers will say tomorrow.
Cork v Kerry was a good game today. That there was brutal to watch.
are you joking archie
there was no great football played in kerry to day either
Quote from: Square Ball on June 07, 2009, 05:25:35 PM
how mant wides is that from the Dubs?
17wides, it was like watching paint dry!
Quote from: tyronefan on June 07, 2009, 05:40:10 PM
are you joking archie
there was no great football played in kerry to day either
There was from Cork.
Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
Didn't see it but surely to God it was better than that??
Kerry v Cork was a lot better.
As usual sh*te RTE website not working. Can someone tell me the score of the Dub v Meath game.
Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
Didn't see it but surely to God it was better than that??
It was better than that ok but in fairness it would have been hard to be worse
But it was not a good game of football either
14 til 12... poor performance
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on June 07, 2009, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on June 07, 2009, 05:40:10 PM
are you joking archie
there was no great football played in kerry to day either
There was from Cork.
Ref really spoiled a good day out. That little grin on his face as well when he gave that soft free at the end (and the other several soft frees he gave to Kerry) to get the draw for Kerry. Cork threw it away though, should have won.
That said it was a much better game and a much higher standard then these two average teams, and that's saying a lot.
Quote from: tyronefan on June 07, 2009, 05:25:08 PM
kildare looking good for Leinster
Ssssssssssssssssshhhhhh!!
We've seen too many false dawns to get carried away with ourselves. Keep the focus on Wexford next Saturday.
Cat game of football though. I thought Meath were incredibly limited. No surprise really considering their u21s have been quite poor for the past few years. The Dubs dominated but their forwards were very wasteful. I'd say Brian Cullen will be introduced into that forward line for Westmeath/Wicklow.
The injury time was a joke. 2 mins seems to be standard for most games no matter how many stoppages there are.
Also, if you looked up fussiness in a dictionary you'd see a picture of Marty Duffy. Must be incredibly fustrating for players with him refereeing.
I hate Pat Spilane on a normal day when he hosted it, but by I'm God loving him at the minute, ripping shreads off the the Dubs. Brilliant.
"They get so much media hype, so they get so much media analysis, they're being found out now."..Amen to that.
And it's true and we're going to have to listen to the media now hype them up and praise them to the sky for the win. ::) ::)
Poor game between 2 poor teams! It's Kildare's to lose not.
Quote from: Reillers on June 07, 2009, 05:53:11 PM
I hate Pat Spilane on a normal day when he hosted it, but by I'm God loving him at the minute, ripping shreads off the the Dubs. Brilliant.
"They get so much media hype, so they get so much media analysis, they're being found out now."..Amen to that.
And it's true and we're going to have to listen to the media now hype them up and praise them to the sky for the win. ::) ::)
Ah the cretin awakes. He's found the football section- be afraid , be very afraid. I feel another 400 page thread coming up ;D
Quote from: screenexile on June 07, 2009, 06:05:51 PM
Poor game between 2 poor teams! It's Kildare's to lose not.
Poor performance from Dublin. I've been consistently saying the team has not been changed for the better and today proved me right in every aspect. Poor game between 2 average teams. Leinster is Kildare's for the taking if they don't bottle it. I'll post more later but after that I need a few stiff drinks.
As poor a game between the two old rivals as I can remember. Kildare must be faves for Leinster now. The only consolation for Dublin is that they made all those chances but by God are they frustrating to follow. Meath are really in the doldrums
QuoteThey get so much media hype, so they get so much media analysis, they're being found out now
Well if that's what Spillane said it just shows he hasn't a clue - He's part of the media for Jaysus sake - Found out me arse. Found out from what. There is no Dublin fan I know thinks that we are All Ireland material
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2009, 06:52:11 PMPoor performance from Dublin. I've been consistently saying the team has not been changed for the better and today proved me right in every aspect. Poor game between 2 average teams. Leinster is Kildare's for the taking if they don't bottle it. I'll post more later but after that I need a few stiff drinks.
Go way outta that! ;)
We've only won one Leinster Championship match in four years whereas the Dubs are unbeaten in that period. Nobody in Kildare is losing the run of themselves. There are still glaring deficiencies in our team and we can't afford to look beyond Wexford.
Dublin were poor today but they still won fairly comfortably. The result flattered Meath, no doubt about it.
Dire game, but Dublin should be through to another Leinster Final and probably won't know their true abilities until then.
What the hell has gone so wrong with Meath football. That is one of the most diabolical Meath teams that I have seen take the field.
Mr Duffy of course was played a blinder at ruining any chance of a good game. The more matches you watch the clearer it is that the referees are dominating too much - not because of the rules, but their own inability to control the game properly. Duffy of course was on his best behaviour and was lauded in Croke Park in February when Dublin played Tyrone - their could be no yellow cards unless patently justified as part one of a great plan to bring in new rules without much criticism. Today in a game lacking any real contact (but a huge amount of diving - young Davoren played a blinder here) there were yellow cards flying around all over the place. Now imagine if Congress had passed the new laws....
As for the stoppage time - ridiculous. The funny thing is the Meath crowd will be giving out about this, with the Dubs laughing. If Meath had scored a last minute goal could you imagine the craic!
Quote from: screenexile on June 07, 2009, 06:05:51 PM
Poor game between 2 poor teams! It's Kildare's to lose not.
Quote from: Declan on June 07, 2009, 07:38:31 PM
Kildare must be faves for Leinster now.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2009, 06:52:11 PM
Leinster is Kildare's for the taking if they don't bottle it.
Is Leinster really that bad that people that people are talking Kildare as favourites, Dublin played poorly but never looked like losing they will only get better from here. Kildare realistically have a chance of a final but that means beating Wexford and either Laois or Louth who I might add have all beaten Kildare in the Championship in the last 4 years. But all we have is a chance Dublin are clear favourites and us Lily's as DH points out nobody on the plains are losing the run and many fear we will lose to Wexford.
Indiana also makes a pertinent point, Kildare are very weak mentally although getting stronger for example we still tend to revert to trying to hand-pass our way out of trouble when the pressure comes on. Would be delighted just to reach a Leinster.
I liked the way you were setup against Offaly Dinny. Mc Geeney has everyone is the right areas of the field. We don't. We're totally unbalanced in some areas. And we are there for taking this year unless we make the 5/6 changes in personnel that are required.
Based on what I know from behind the scenes I don't see those changes hapenning. If we made those changes we could retain Leinster. But we're certainly not going to trouble the business end this year.
Who else will challenge Dublin in Leinster lads. Who will beat them. Dublin might have put Meath away todays in the first half they were very impressive for a time. If they can take their chances they could be a match for anyone. Any news about davoren's injury.
Indiana - Offaly were so bad that day they made Meath look good and only actually playing when they started to make the subs and put on guys like McManus etc who could actually play football...
Can't see us missing as many chances again and B Brogan certainly won't...
If Meath were any good they would have won it handy.
But they weren't.
Good crowd. Muted atmosphere. Toes frozen off me. Amazing the number watching the Kerry v Cork game on the Croke Park tellys and ignoring the hurling game 'outside'.
Quote from: Reillers on June 07, 2009, 05:37:16 PM
A really crap game. Standard of football was very low.
2 minutes added time was a joke. There should have been atleast 5 minutes added time. Where they got the 2 minutes is beyond me, typical Dublin bias as per usual. Dublin is all hype, they'll get no where, every year is "their year" they wont threaten anyone this year. They'll have no one shaking in their boots, that said, we all know what the papers will say tomorrow.
Can you sort Paul Griffin out with Donal Og's mobile number? Sure we can go and strike like your bunch of professional product launchers who occasionally play Hurling.
Poor game - 17 wides is shocking - the two minutes injury time is shocking.
PS Reillers - when are you going to stop being a coward and stop avoiding Bobby down in the Bishopstown bar?
Quote from: Barney on June 07, 2009, 08:01:44 PM
Dire game, but Dublin should be through to another Leinster Final and probably won't know their true abilities until then.
What the hell has gone so wrong with Meath football. That is one of the most diabolical Meath teams that I have seen take the field.
Mr Duffy of course was played a blinder at ruining any chance of a good game. The more matches you watch the clearer it is that the referees are dominating too much - not because of the rules, but their own inability to control the game properly. Duffy of course was on his best behaviour and was lauded in Croke Park in February when Dublin played Tyrone - their could be no yellow cards unless patently justified as part one of a great plan to bring in new rules without much criticism. Today in a game lacking any real contact (but a huge amount of diving - young Davoren played a blinder here) there were yellow cards flying around all over the place. Now imagine if Congress had passed the new laws....
As for the stoppage time - ridiculous. The funny thing is the Meath crowd will be giving out about this, with the Dubs laughing. If Meath had scored a last minute goal could you imagine the craic!
I was on the road for the 1st half and watched the second half on the box.
First of all the guy on the radio who gave the update of the Kerry/Cork game and then announced the build up to the 'derbies don't get any bigger than Dublin v Meath' needs a good slapping followed by a months solitary confinement with Pat Spillane (could kill two birds that).
Secondly I fell asleep watching players handpassing the ball wide from 3 yards only to wake up only to see the 2 minutes injury time. He played three minutes blowing up when Meath were on the attack and should have played four at least according to the commentators. If Meath had scored that goal we would have had a situation where he had to play more injury time to allow the Dubs equalise or he would have been lynched.
Isn't it time to take time keeping off the muppet in the middle and give it to a muppet on the sideline?
I agree about our set-up and I think McGeeney and Grimley are doing a fine job but Dublin have some very talented footballers, Gilroy will learn from this and I can't see the Dublin fowards playing so poorly again, the stop start nature of the game didn't suit Dublin at all and someone needs to remind Ger Brennan he was playing CHB, a good footballer but poor positional discipline.
Dublin should retain it but they probably need to meet Kildare in the Final if they want to progress further
a) Because Kildare always raise their game for the Dubs and should give it a right rattle
b) There is a rivalary there from U21 among a lot of the players and although nowhere near the scale of Meath or Kerry the Dubs love putting us back in our box
c) Kildare will bring a good support creating an intense atmosphere
d) The tactical acumen of Grimly and McGeeney will test the Dublin management.
That potential Leinster final could prepare Dublin for a proper assault on the All-Ireland.
Leinster is a poor province, Dublin haven't been properly tested apart from the drawn Meath game in 2007, Dublin need to meet an in-form Kildare side in the final and beat them in a tight game, with the way the draw is this I'd actually fancy them to make the All-Ireland final, but only if they've had a full examination before the quarter-finals.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on June 07, 2009, 08:51:56 PM
Indiana - Offaly were so bad that day they made Meath look good and only actually playing when they started to make the subs and put on guys like McManus etc who could actually play football...
Can't see us missing as many chances again and B Brogan certainly won't...
DSFM you don't offer any objective analysis when it comes to Dublin. That was brutal today . You are perfectly entitled to hold onto your hopes that by some miracle Dublin might beat tyrone this year. We haven't a feckin chance is the reality. Winning a leinster championship isn't worth anything anymore.
Kildare are a good side and have a good chance of winning Leinster in my view. They won't pack it win like meath did today. Dinny is underselling them in my view. A Leinster championship for Kildare would be massive.
We need to make the 6/7 personnel changes now to give ourselves any chance of even designs on making the last 4.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
DSFM you don't offer any objective analysis when it comes to Dublin. That was brutal today . You are perfectly entitled to hold onto your hopes that by some miracle Dublin might beat tyrone this year. We haven't a feckin chance is the reality. Winning a leinster championship isn't worth anything anymore.
Kildare are a good side and have a good chance of winning Leinster in my view. They won't pack it win like meath did today. Dinny is underselling them in my view. A Leinster championship for Kildare would be massive.
We need to make the 6/7 personnel changes now to give ourselves any chance of even designs on making the last 4.
I'd be confident Kildare would pose a stronger challenge than Meath
IF we are to meet in a Leinster Final. We have improved significantly but at the same time, we still have plenty of limitations.
I can't see Dublin playing as bad again though. A result like today's might not do them any harm. It could well be the kick up the arse that some of their team needed. Half the problem with Dublin over the past few years has been that they've steamrollered over the likes of Laois, Wexford, Offaly and Louth early on in the summer and then got carried away with themselves. If they were to end up going into the big games in August as underdogs it might just suit them.
The other question I have is for Meath fans? Meath football is in crisis after that today. That was back to the 70's for Meath they were so bad today. I saw Meath earlier in the year and I said to Jinxy do they embrace any modern training techniques? I don't believe they do. They are very few top 10-12 teams dublin would have beaten today.
I know we're struggling but Christ of almighty Meath are in the abyss.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 07, 2009, 08:52:22 PM
If Meath were any good they would have won it handy.
But they weren't.
Good crowd. Muted atmosphere. Toes frozen off me. Amazing the number watching the Kerry v Cork game on the Croke Park tellys and ignoring the hurling game 'outside'.
There were plenty from both sides pinting during the football too. I can't say I'm surprised that the Dubs would rather prop up the bar than support their hurling team. Dublin were poor in both matches today and won both. They'll go nowhere this year in either code though playing as they did today.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 07, 2009, 10:11:47 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 07, 2009, 08:52:22 PM
If Meath were any good they would have won it handy.
But they weren't.
Good crowd. Muted atmosphere. Toes frozen off me. Amazing the number watching the Kerry v Cork game on the Croke Park tellys and ignoring the hurling game 'outside'.
There were plenty from both sides pinting during the football too. I can't say I'm surprised that the Dubs would rather prop up the bar than support their hurling team. Dublin were poor in both matches today and won both. They'll go nowhere this year in either code though playing as they did today.
If I was at that game I would probably have gone for a pint too.
Quote from: Barney on June 07, 2009, 08:01:44 PM
Dire game, but Dublin should be through to another Leinster Final and probably won't know their true abilities until then.
What the hell has gone so wrong with Meath football. That is one of the most diabolical Meath teams that I have seen take the field.
Mr Duffy of course was played a blinder at ruining any chance of a good game. The more matches you watch the clearer it is that the referees are dominating too much - not because of the rules, but their own inability to control the game properly. Duffy of course was on his best behaviour and was lauded in Croke Park in February when Dublin played Tyrone - their could be no yellow cards unless patently justified as part one of a great plan to bring in new rules without much criticism. Today in a game lacking any real contact (but a huge amount of diving - young Davoren played a blinder here) there were yellow cards flying around all over the place. Now imagine if Congress had passed the new laws....
As for the stoppage time - ridiculous. The funny thing is the Meath crowd will be giving out about this, with the Dubs laughing. If Meath had scored a last minute goal could you imagine the craic!
You posted exactly my thoughts on the ref, rules, stoppage time etc. This guy will probably get the All-Ireland final this year. He almost got it the last two years. He's one of the best at what they are trained to do. This implies to me that there is a serious disconnect between what refs are taught to do and what 99% of gaelic football fans think.
Meaths forwards were absolutely awful today. Terrible terrible movement off the ball and for me that was the main reason Dublin won. Also, Cluxton being able to take a short kickout accurately was another big factor.
First of all - well done to the dubs, as they said on the TV they stumbled over the line but they did win.
I am not going to dwell on the injury time - of course there should have been at least 5 minutes but that is not going to get us anywhere making any issue of that now.
My focus is on Meath and to a lesser extent Dublin. This was the worst and least exciting Meath Dublin game I remember and I have been at them all since the early eighties and listened to every one since the early seventies. Very little atmosphere, I wasnt even bricking it in the last few minutes and dont know how we would have reacted if we snatched it with a goal at the end. Reason being that a win today may not have been a guarantee of anything not even a provincial final position such was the standard of performance. We have gotten used to high standards but I reckon most Meath teams of the seventies were closer to their rivals who in turn were closer to the top of the pile.
My main gripe is with our team management and consequently with our County Board Management that presided over the shambles that brought O'Brien on board. Make no mistake about it, this was the worst selected meath team that took to the field against their greatest rivals in memory. Does anyone know of situations wher the Centre Half Back, Centre Half Forward and Full Forward are all selected out of position? I had actually considered not going if Caoimhin King was selected at full forward following the failed experiment in the league but could not countenance missing it. Spillane was almost laughing at Meath at half time such was the lack of anything happening in the middle third of the field, they said that Dublin got possession on 13 kick outs in a row. I thought that he would make changes at half time but in that aspect he copied Sean Boylan and didnt make changes when it was blatantly obvious that they were needed. Now I know that the talent is not there to really challenge at the very top but that is no excuse for making crazy conversions of half backs to full forward and, worse still, persisting with it.
I then watched O' Brien on the Sunday Game and he was fairly blazee about the performance pointing out that Dublin were a good team, Hello Eamonn! Dublin were rubbish in front of the posts today and otherwise would have beaten us by at least 15 points and their failure in front of the posts was mostly of their own making!! Hearing jack O'Connor on later put it in perspective for me- he had no hesitation in saying that Kerry were poor. Jack sets standards and knows where he is going.
They say if you dont know where you are going then any road will get you there and, unfortunately, this seems to be the case for Meath at the moment.
Will go against the grain here and say that I was happy with Dublin's display today. A major improvement in our problem areas..... the half back line, Full back and midfield consistency, winning breaks.
THe core of Dublin's problems imo on today's display anyway have been improved...... whether enough remains to be seen.
Very worried about Davoren's injury..... he seemed to be settling well into the pace of the game and he looked in alot of pain. THe forward didn't click today and I wouldn't be too worried about that unless they misfire again in the SF.
Very muted crowd today....... possibly because of the back door and the opinion of many Dubs I met before the game that the qualifiers might suit us better this year. However imo we will be slated and written off by one and all which suits us fine. Important to get to Leinster final to avoid the early qualifiers.
I was absolutely frozen in the Hogan Upper. Played a match on the Saturday night and like alll the other lads I lost feeling in my hands towards the end of the game because of the wind , cold and hail. Some weather for June although I believe the rest of the Country missed it.
If the rumour is true and Gilroy and Whelan are deliberately aiming for peaking later in the Summer then today's result was v good for us.
Btw Paul Griffin's accent is by no means non indicative of the GAA in parts of Dublin. The association is drifting slowly away from its working class/ country lad in Dublin roots.
Would personally love to hear it across the tannoys come September.
It's the qualifiers for us now.
Hopefully we put forwards in the forward line next time.
Quote from: Canalman on June 07, 2009, 11:30:48 PM
Will go against the grain here and say that I was happy with Dublin's display today. A major improvement in our problem areas..... the half back line, Full back and midfield consistency, winning breaks.
THe core of Dublin's problems imo on today's display anyway have been improved...... whether enough remains to be seen.
Very worried about Davoren's injury..... he seemed to be settling well into the pace of the game and he looked in alot of pain. THe forward didn't click today and I wouldn't be too worried about that unless they misfire again in the SF.
Very muted crowd today....... possibly because of the back door and the opinion of many Dubs I met before the game that the qualifiers might suit us better this year. However imo we will be slated and written off by one and all which suits us fine. Important to get to Leinster final to avoid the early qualifiers.
I was absolutely frozen in the Hogan Upper. Played a match on the Saturday night and like alll the other lads I lost feeling in my hands towards the end of the game because of the wind , cold and hail. Some weather for June although I believe the rest of the Country missed it.
If the rumour is true and Gilroy and Whelan are deliberately aiming for peaking later in the Summer then today's result was v good for us.
You on the beer. Genuinely? the full back line?- half forward line? Happy. Tell me you're joking.
Indiana, no drink at all on me, watching the elections on the BBC. I differ from you in that I went to the game without a preset (and well cybered) mindset and judged what I saw. Will judge the Dubs on their merits or demerits and not on what the perceived opinions are on their opponents.
For me, not conceding a whiff of a goal chance or being reasonably tight in the half backs is good enough progress for me, given the shambolic displays in the past .
Beg to difffer I suppose. Bit rich though of you to criricize a differing opinion to yours as being alcohol induced.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 07, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on June 07, 2009, 08:51:56 PM
Indiana - Offaly were so bad that day they made Meath look good and only actually playing when they started to make the subs and put on guys like McManus etc who could actually play football...
Can't see us missing as many chances again and B Brogan certainly won't...
We need to make the 6/7 personnel changes now to give ourselves any chance of even designs on making the last 4.
We needed to do the same after the pasting Tyrone gave us - Shane Ryan isn't fit enough to play a Junior league game at the moment never mind play in Croke park.
Well you're entitled to your opinion canalman ( I didn't mean to insult you if thats what you felt) but in my view Henry and Hubbard really struggled. Hubbard was shunted out of the way by Cian Ward like a ragdoll at times. The fact that Ward's shooting was erratic is the only thing that saved him. Henry was caught the wrong side several times and Farrell with more match practice would have done more damage. Bastic was marking a half back and conceded way too much space too him.
It would be frigtening to see what Mulligan/Cavanagh and O Neill would do to them- thats the yardstick.
They aren't helped though with the amount of space in front of them.
The half forward line is simply a revolving door. We seem incapable of picking the correct balance to the line on a consistent basis to give the line a bit of continuity but its like muscial chairs at the minute.
if Dublin people are genuinely happy with that yesterday- fair play. But you have to question whats the ambition for Dublin football anymore and if its winning poor standard Leinstre championships then yesterday was a fine result. If its about beating the best teams in the land-yesterday was not even in the ballpark. Thats the worst Meath team since the 70's and I'm old enough to remember them.
I'd also like to hear other counties fans opinions about Shane Ryan. If he was on the transfer market would other counties be interested in him? I just can't fathom how an allstar from last season isn't in the top 20 players in Dublin. Or maybe I rate him far too highly?
Heffo I've seen them training that Shane Ryan isn't fit thing- is bullshit. He isn't carrying an ounce more than last year.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 08, 2009, 08:59:58 AM
Heffo I've seen them training that Shane Ryan isn't fit thing- is bullshit. He isn't carrying an ounce more than last year.
I've been told by two current players and one other person involved that he made the cut by the skin of his teeth last week due to fitness - those sources have been impecabble in the past.
If he is fit - he has to have a part to play.
Well I'm telling you they are wrong. He isn't carrying an ounce more than last year. He has much chance of playing Heffo as I do.
I'd agree with that assessment of the performance Indiana. The Royals were pretty dejected last night and couldn't see a way forward at all.
On a sad note a young lad (16/17) collapsed on the sideline last week - he was playing a Junior match for Skryne - and is critical in Beaumont hospital. So puts all the bitching and cribbing about performances into perspective. Spare a thought for himself and his family
Quote from: Declan on June 08, 2009, 09:49:40 AM
On a sad note a young lad (16/17) collapsed on the sideline last week - he was playing a Junior match for Skryne - and is critical in Beaumont hospital. So puts all the bitching and cribbing about performances into perspective. Spare a thought for himself and his family
Jesus I hadn't heard that - I've friends in Skryne - I must get onto them - hope he pulls through.
Quite bizarre walking out after the game - usually when the Dubs beat Meath, the fans are euphoric regardless of the manner of the victory, but yesterday the feeling amongst the masses was closer to dejection!
I was hugely disappointed with the second half performance - the objective seemed to be to run into cul-de-sacs!
Having said that, the negative reaction is over the top. We had an excellent 15 minute spell at the end of the second half which showed what we are capable of. Big performances in June don't win All Irelands. You take every game as it comes, hope to improve each time and see how far it takes you.
There is some hope that Davoren's injury might not be as bad as first feared. Would be a big pity if he was ruled out as he showed very well for his championship debut and really seemed to be enjoying himself.
Fair play to Darren Magee on winning man of the match. He fielded really well, and worked his socks off. Still needs some work on kicking the ball straight!
PS Best wishes to the boy from Skyrne.
Quote from: Declan on June 08, 2009, 09:49:40 AM
I'd agree with that assessment of the performance Indiana. The Royals were pretty dejected last night and couldn't see a way forward at all.
On a sad note a young lad (16/17) collapsed on the sideline last week - he was playing a Junior match for Skryne - and is critical in Beaumont hospital. So puts all the bitching and cribbing about performances into perspective. Spare a thought for himself and his family
Best wishes to him Declan. Thats awful to hear. Hope he pulls through.
and dublin are 6/1 to land sam with paddypower?
they are a good enough side but nowhere near sam if the league and that episode are to judge them by, i await the onslaught of excuses and derision.
Well if Cork were 11-1 at the outset I would have thought we'd be something similar.
Quote from: Hound on June 08, 2009, 10:26:16 AM
Quite bizarre walking out after the game - usually when the Dubs beat Meath, the fans are euphoric regardless of the manner of the victory, but yesterday the feeling amongst the masses was closer to dejection!
I was hugely disappointed with the second half performance - the objective seemed to be to run into cul-de-sacs!
Having said that, the negative reaction is over the top. We had an excellent 15 minute spell at the end of the second half which showed what we are capable of. Big performances in June don't win All Irelands. You take every game as it comes, hope to improve each time and see how far it takes you.
There is some hope that Davoren's injury might not be as bad as first feared. Would be a big pity if he was ruled out as he showed very well for his championship debut and really seemed to be enjoying himself.
Fair play to Darren Magee on winning man of the match. He fielded really well, and worked his socks off. Still needs some work on kicking the ball straight!
PS Best wishes to the boy from Skyrne.
Completely agree with that, we were saying it was the worst atmosphere at a Meath Dublin game ever. It felt like a league game or something. The only man with abit of heart on the Meath team at the mo is Moyles. a few mistakes but he was the only one I saw who really wanted to win. Also Joe Sherridan tho why he was left so late I dont understand. through the back door now, getting so used to it at this stage. Maybe we'll get to see a new aprt of the Country this summer!
Quote from: mannix on June 08, 2009, 11:54:21 AM
and dublin are 6/1 to land sam with paddypower?
they are a good enough side but nowhere near sam if the league and that episode are to judge them by, i await the onslaught of excuses and derision.
"nowhere near" would be a tad of an exaggeration. Sure it looks like we'd have no chance of beating Kerry or Tyrone in a knockout match, but the same could be said of everyone else. If Kerry and Tyrone stay on the same side of the draw then the second spot in the All Ireland final is wide open, so any of 7 or 8 teams would fancy their chances, including Dublin. Whoever makes it would go in as big underdogs, but anything can happen in a one-off final.
Quote from: Canalman on June 07, 2009, 11:30:48 PM
Will go against the grain here and say that I was happy with Dublin's display today. A major improvement in our problem areas..... the half back line, Full back and midfield consistency, winning breaks.
THe core of Dublin's problems imo on today's display anyway have been improved...... whether enough remains to be seen.
Very worried about Davoren's injury..... he seemed to be settling well into the pace of the game and he looked in alot of pain. THe forward didn't click today and I wouldn't be too worried about that unless they misfire again in the SF.
Very muted crowd today....... possibly because of the back door and the opinion of many Dubs I met before the game that the qualifiers might suit us better this year. However imo we will be slated and written off by one and all which suits us fine. Important to get to Leinster final to avoid the early qualifiers.
I was absolutely frozen in the Hogan Upper. Played a match on the Saturday night and like alll the other lads I lost feeling in my hands towards the end of the game because of the wind , cold and hail. Some weather for June although I believe the rest of the Country missed it.
If the rumour is true and Gilroy and Whelan are deliberately aiming for peaking later in the Summer then today's result was v good for us.
THe
core of Dublin's problems imo on today's display anyway have been improved......
Weak full back line
13 wides in first half
Letting strong leads slip
Seriously bad decision making
Failing to turn up for start of second half again
But most of all playing like individuals. Anything inside 40 yards and theres a race for the headlines.
Its a bad sign when the first two subs on are Ciaran Whelan and Jason sherlock ( if not the first damn near it) against the weakest, tamest Meath time i have seen in my lifetime.
Quote from: Bensars on June 08, 2009, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Canalman on June 07, 2009, 11:30:48 PM
Will go against the grain here and say that I was happy with Dublin's display today. A major improvement in our problem areas..... the half back line, Full back and midfield consistency, winning breaks.
THe core of Dublin's problems imo on today's display anyway have been improved...... whether enough remains to be seen.
Very worried about Davoren's injury..... he seemed to be settling well into the pace of the game and he looked in alot of pain. THe forward didn't click today and I wouldn't be too worried about that unless they misfire again in the SF.
Very muted crowd today....... possibly because of the back door and the opinion of many Dubs I met before the game that the qualifiers might suit us better this year. However imo we will be slated and written off by one and all which suits us fine. Important to get to Leinster final to avoid the early qualifiers.
I was absolutely frozen in the Hogan Upper. Played a match on the Saturday night and like alll the other lads I lost feeling in my hands towards the end of the game because of the wind , cold and hail. Some weather for June although I believe the rest of the Country missed it.
If the rumour is true and Gilroy and Whelan are deliberately aiming for peaking later in the Summer then today's result was v good for us.
THe core of Dublin's problems imo on today's display anyway have been improved......
Weak full back line
13 wides in first half
Letting strong leads slip
Seriously bad decision making
Failing to turn up for start of second half again
But most of all playing like individuals. Anything inside 40 yards and theres a race for the headlines.
Its a bad sign when the first two subs on are Ciaran Whelan and Jason sherlock ( if not the first damn near it) against the weakest, tamest Meath time i have seen in my lifetime.
sadly I'd agree.
In fairness, its nonsense to say its a bad sign when you bring on two experienced quality footballers to close out a game. What is a bad sign is that Meath outscored us between then and the end of the game!
If Dublin had played in the second half, like they played in the last 15 minutes of the first half, and won by 10 points, we'd be no better off and we'd be fed an awful lot of sheight by the culchies in the media about how great Dublin are.
So long as Tyrone and Kerry keep wnning, the aim of a place in the All Ireland final is still attainable. And no harm at all that things will get a bit quieter.
Desperate, desperate stuff.
Why would you play a perfectly good centre-back at corner-back?
Why would you play a perfectly good wing-back at full-forward?
Why would you leave a perfectly good full-forward on the bench?
Someone seriously needs to tell Cian Ward to put the f**king ball on the ground when we get a free.
I'm baffled as to why he won't do this.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 07, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 07, 2009, 08:01:44 PM
Dire game, but Dublin should be through to another Leinster Final and probably won't know their true abilities until then.
What the hell has gone so wrong with Meath football. That is one of the most diabolical Meath teams that I have seen take the field.
Mr Duffy of course was played a blinder at ruining any chance of a good game. The more matches you watch the clearer it is that the referees are dominating too much - not because of the rules, but their own inability to control the game properly. Duffy of course was on his best behaviour and was lauded in Croke Park in February when Dublin played Tyrone - their could be no yellow cards unless patently justified as part one of a great plan to bring in new rules without much criticism. Today in a game lacking any real contact (but a huge amount of diving - young Davoren played a blinder here) there were yellow cards flying around all over the place. Now imagine if Congress had passed the new laws....
As for the stoppage time - ridiculous. The funny thing is the Meath crowd will be giving out about this, with the Dubs laughing. If Meath had scored a last minute goal could you imagine the craic!
You posted exactly my thoughts on the ref, rules, stoppage time etc. This guy will probably get the All-Ireland final this year. He almost got it the last two years. He's one of the best at what they are trained to do. This implies to me that there is a serious disconnect between what refs are taught to do and what 99% of gaelic football fans think.
Simple rugby style . Time off, Time on.
Quote from: Hound on June 08, 2009, 12:18:29 PM
In fairness, its nonsense to say its a bad sign when you bring on two experienced quality footballers to close out a game. What is a bad sign is that Meath outscored us between then and the end of the game!
If Dublin had played in the second half, like they played in the last 15 minutes of the first half, and won by 10 points, we'd be no better off and we'd be fed an awful lot of sheight by the culchies in the media about how great Dublin are.
So long as Tyrone and Kerry keep wnning, the aim of a place in the All Ireland final is still attainable. And no harm at all that things will get a bit quieter.
I admire your optimism but I don't share it. The team isn't as good as previous years with the changes IMO. And the big problem with the players we've brought in is that there is a disticnt possibility with the opposition we've faced that we'll know nothing more about them before we play someone good. Leinster is by far the weakest province out there at the moment. The standard and pace of most of the teams is far below top level inter county football. Meath, Laois, Westmeath, Offaly, Longford etc are really average outfits. Only Dublin and KIldare can raise a gallop at all in Leinster and the jury is still out on Kildare even though I like the look of them.
Changes had to be made. Bastick ,Flynn and Magee have been relative successes but to say Bryan Cullen isn't even in the top 20 footballers in Dublin is bizarre. I can't see the full back line holding up against the best. I really can't. That and the half forward line are dublin's biggest problems.
I'm amazed at people talking about Kerry and Tyrone. The likes of Derry/Galway/Cork and Mayo will not worry about playing Dublin. We seem to have in my view an ill-fated notion that a team like Dublin in total transition will be good enough to get to an All-ireland final. In my view the team is a complete WIP at the moment and talk of reaching an all-ireland final is premature and extreme to say the least.
Expectations are far too high among fans. Making the last 4 would be a good year for the new management IMO. I can't for the life of me unless we get the softest draw possible see us getting to an all-ireland final. Christ let alone winning it.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 08, 2009, 01:33:56 PM
I'm amazed at people talking about Kerry and Tyrone. The likes of Derry/Galway/Cork and Mayo will not worry about playing Dublin. We seem to have in my view an ill-fated notion that a team like Dublin in total transition will be good enough to get to an All-ireland final. In my view the team is a complete WIP at the moment and talk of reaching an all-ireland final is premature and extreme to say the least.
Expectations are far too high among fans. Making the last 4 would be a good year for the new management IMO. I can't for the life of me unless we get the softest draw possible see us getting to an all-ireland final. Christ let alone winning it.
Nobody's talking about beating Kerry or Tyrone. But if they stay on the opposite side of the draw to Dublin, then aiming to reach an All Ireland final is not unrealistic. Its not as if Derry, Galway, Cork, Mayo etc are the finished article either.
They aren't but in my view we should be setting our sights with a new team on beating them and forgetting about thet others. The team from 2004-2008 is largely gone . Just my view but I think it'll take at least 12 months.
I'm afraid I have to agree with ye Indiana.
I don't what what your new manager is playing at & has he a game plan
The changes he has made seem to have weakened the team so maybe he's making changes for the sake of change & is just trying to put his stamp on it.
With forwards like the 2 Brogans & Keaney you have a good basis for scores
Think midfield has never been a problem so I think its a matter of getting the defense tightened up and using some sort of system and a manager than can motivate them and rise above all the hype. I don't know much about Gilroy but he looks to be not be answer.
He doesnt seem to be a tactical genuis & woulld I be right to say he seems even stubborn enough not to be advised what needs to be done.
The way he dropped so many experienced players seems like he wanted to teach them a lesson or is he resting them for Sept?
I honestly don't see why there is such negativity about this Dublin team.
Dominated everywhere but the scoreboard.
Missed a lot of chances they would normally get, but that can happen sometimes.
If they'd won by 10 points (which they should have) it would be a different story.
I think that team can be tweaked for the next game and by the time the Leinster final comes around you'll have a group of players that know the system and what's expected of them.
I'd never write off anyone deemed an All-Ireland contender on the basis of their first championship match.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 08, 2009, 08:59:58 AM
Well you're entitled to your opinion canalman ( I didn't mean to insult you if thats what you felt) but in my view Henry and Hubbard really struggled. Hubbard was shunted out of the way by Cian Ward like a ragdoll at times. The fact that Ward's shooting was erratic is the only thing that saved him. Henry was caught the wrong side several times and Farrell with more match practice would have done more damage. Bastic was marking a half back and conceded way too much space too him.
It would be frigtening to see what Mulligan/Cavanagh and O Neill would do to them- thats the yardstick.
They aren't helped though with the amount of space in front of them.
The half forward line is simply a revolving door. We seem incapable of picking the correct balance to the line on a consistent basis to give the line a bit of continuity but its like muscial chairs at the minute.
if Dublin people are genuinely happy with that yesterday- fair play. But you have to question whats the ambition for Dublin football anymore and if its winning poor standard Leinstre championships then yesterday was a fine result. If its about beating the best teams in the land-yesterday was not even in the ballpark. Thats the worst Meath team since the 70's and I'm old enough to remember them.
I'd also like to hear other counties fans opinions about Shane Ryan. If he was on the transfer market would other counties be interested in him? I just can't fathom how an allstar from last season isn't in the top 20 players in Dublin. Or maybe I rate him far too highly?
Heffo I've seen them training that Shane Ryan isn't fit thing- is bullshit. He isn't carrying an ounce more than last year.
I've always thought he'd make a good centre-half back for the Dubs. He's a big strong lad and he'd go a long way towards solving what is a problem position for Dublin. He started off as a corner back so I don't think he'd have too many problems adapting to the position.
Always liked Shane Ryan
He gives you 100% every game and is a honest footballer
Ideal result for the Dubs, win while playing bad, diffuse some of the hype while still experimenting. It's only the start of June. Eastmeath were wiped out in the middle, when Crawford doesn't perform they have no other options in there. Laughable to think some people were portraying them as genuine contenders for Leinster.
Edit: Meant to say it was a clean enough game for a derby, although I imagine Brennan will do time for the swing/attempted swing. Good player but no discipline. Hope Davoren recovers quickly, looks a quality player and plays the game how it should be played.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 08, 2009, 02:00:54 PM
I honestly don't see why there is such negativity about this Dublin team.
Dominated everywhere but the scoreboard.
Missed a lot of chances they would normally get, but that can happen sometimes.
If they'd won by 10 points (which they should have) it would be a different story.
I think that team can be tweaked for the next game and by the time the Leinster final comes around you'll have a group of players that know the system and what's expected of them.
I'd never write off anyone deemed an All-Ireland contender on the basis of their first championship match.
No offence Jinxy but Meath are rubbish. Had we won by 10 points my analysis would be different. I never buy into bullshit Dublin in particular go on with about "at least we won". By playing well in games you show that areas of the team are working well , combinations are working well and your players are playing well. So when you come up against top class opposition there is a better chance of performing well.
Just look at tyrone's first outing. Thats the level of performance I'd be looking for first day out. Play well and win with something in the tank. Dublin played poorly and we're no wiser whether there is anything in the tank. When you've got a new team its more imperative to hit the ground running then if you've got an experienced team where you know its there if needed. Like kerry for example.
But the league and challenge games highlighted the experimental nature of what Gilroys trying to do.
You can't show up on day one and expect all the pieces to fall into place.
A team doesn't have to be brilliant in every game to win an All Ireland.
They just have to be good enough in the ones that count.
You have a bigger and better squad this year than last.
Gilroy just needs to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater and strike the right balance between new faces and the old reliables.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 08, 2009, 03:16:53 PM
But the league and challenge games highlighted the experimental nature of what Gilroys trying to do.
You can't show up on day one and expect all the pieces to fall into place.
A team doesn't have to be brilliant in every game to win an All Ireland.
They just have to be good enough in the ones that count.
You have a bigger and better squad this year than last.
Gilroy just needs to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater and strike the right balance between new faces and the old reliables.
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No but had we played a consistent team in the league and challenge games to some degree we would have played better yesterday. Pat Spillane said one thing I agree with yesterday that dublin looked like ateam that had never played together before.
He was right- they hadn't. Each to their own but I never be approaching a championship as a manager like that.
I don't have any expectation of winning the All-ireland this year. i'm not going to be slating the management in August because I think getting to the last 4 with a new team would be a good showing. But other Dublin fans I know seem to think we're capable of winning the all-ireland this year and they'll be the first to be calling for Giller's head in August while telling me I'm a clown for criticsing yesterday's performance.
pretty much agree with what Indiana was saying.
Dublins problems stem from too much experimentation in the league and not having a settled side for those last few league games to lead into the championship.
Meath likewise. Both sides were showing that they both had no cohesion or team work ethic yesterday.
The Brogans took on way to much themselves, both corner backs were left badly exposed and therefore found out for what they really are - imo not quite good enough for inter county.
whelan should have been started at third midfield or chf. Jayo three years past it.
Meath selection also puzzling to say the least. Better men on the sideline and replacing stephen bray instead of putting him in the ff line puzzles me evern more.
Was mark ward inj ?
Thought he was doing well up until being taken off, certainly was the best of the four midfielders.
Dubs great at winning the breaking ball though. Wastefulness and greedy forward play needs to be stamped out .
Meath could do ok in the qualifiers.
The only good thing that came out of yesterday for meath was between farrell- the 2 sheridans -bray(in the ff line) and ward they can score if they get the ball. Midfield and the breaks is a huge problem for them . Not one of their defenders was selected in his best position either. But teams without good midfields struggle- no point in saying otherwise.
But Meath were passionless yesterday by their own standards. i don't mean throwing digs but Meath lads used to risk getting kicked in the head to get to a breaking ball. yesterday they lost the first 12 kickouts according to the stats.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 08, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
pretty much agree with what Indiana was saying.
Dublins problems stem from too much experimentation in the league and not having a settled side for those last few league games to lead into the championship.
Meath likewise. Both sides were showing that they both had no cohesion or team work ethic yesterday.
The Brogans took on way to much themselves, both corner backs were left badly exposed and therefore found out for what they really are - imo not quite good enough for inter county.
whelan should have been started at third midfield or chf. Jayo three years past it.
Meath selection also puzzling to say the least. Better men on the sideline and replacing stephen bray instead of putting him in the ff line puzzles me evern more.
Was mark ward inj ?
Thought he was doing well up until being taken off, certainly was the best of the four midfielders.
Dubs great at winning the breaking ball though. Wastefulness and greedy forward play needs to be stamped out .
Meath could do ok in the qualifiers.
The best of the 4 midfielders! :o
Crawford was fighting a lone battle at midfield I'm afraid.
Ward was too busy moaning to the ref about this that and the other to actually contest any kick-outs.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 08, 2009, 03:55:03 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 08, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
pretty much agree with what Indiana was saying.
Dublins problems stem from too much experimentation in the league and not having a settled side for those last few league games to lead into the championship.
Meath likewise. Both sides were showing that they both had no cohesion or team work ethic yesterday.
The Brogans took on way to much themselves, both corner backs were left badly exposed and therefore found out for what they really are - imo not quite good enough for inter county.
whelan should have been started at third midfield or chf. Jayo three years past it.
Meath selection also puzzling to say the least. Better men on the sideline and replacing stephen bray instead of putting him in the ff line puzzles me evern more.
Was mark ward inj ?
Thought he was doing well up until being taken off, certainly was the best of the four midfielders.
Dubs great at winning the breaking ball though. Wastefulness and greedy forward play needs to be stamped out .
Meath could do ok in the qualifiers.
The best of the 4 midfielders! :o
Crawford was fighting a lone battle at midfield I'm afraid.
Ward was too busy moaning to the ref about this that and the other to actually contest any kick-outs.
imo crawford was anonymous until ward went off....
at least big mark attacked the ball
dont rate crawford though, never did. Still have not seen anything from any perf from him to change my mind either
Ward is just too ponderous for the game he tries to play.
I'm tired of seeing him winding up for a kick knowing full well that the opposition player 20 yards away will get there in time to block him.
I'd rather a midfield of Moyles and Crawford at this stage.
In fairness to Crawford I thought he played well yesterday.
Think Ward was replaced before he was sent off
Moyles was wasted in the FB line if you ask me, when they needed leaders out the field
The Dub forwards need to realise that they are all playing on the one team rather than playing for themselves, the 2 brogans and Keaney must be some of the greediest players in the country
This is one reason why Sherlock has been (and should still be) so valuable to this team. Pretty much alone amongst the Dublin forwards, he understands how to make a forward line run as a unit, showing for passes, and laying off to the man in space. Whether he scores big or not, Dublin's forward line is always more cohesive with him playing.
There wasn't much evidence yesterday that the Dubs could trouble the status quo this year,
but I wouldn't write them off yet.
A (predicted) Leinster final with them and Kildare could be the making or breaking of them.
Well well well,
what to say about the game. I almost tore my hair out watching it. Things were looking good after the first 15 mins and we were up 5 to 3, then Ward missed that free and with the ensuing break we seemed to lose shape and just got destroyed in the middle. Mark Ward was well beat out there, Paddy O'Rourkes kick outs were off target. McKeigue got a roasting as well.
I'd have to agree with the some of the earlier points, where was the support to win the breaks at midfield? it was non-existant. It was the same in the league and I was wondering if the management could even see it. Are they expecting Ward, Crawford and Meade to win their own ball? ANd the thing that was really driving me mad was the reluctance to put the ball into the forwards quicker, we got caught so many times with stupid hand passes, with players ended up isolated. We had Bray, Ward, King and Farrell up there and it shoud have been going into them faster. It was a poor game that Dublin should have hammered us and yet we still could have won.
I still think we have the talent to go a bit further but the management and the players need to sit down and watch that game again a good few times and look at the glaring mistakes that were repeatedly being made. As for the Dubs, they need to find their shooting boots fast, it was comical in the second half.
I just want to make a point for Kevin Reilly, his tackle that he got a card for was perfect defending from my seat and I saw the replay a few times to make my mind up. Dublin got a point out of a bad refereeing decision.
If Dublin had finished the chances they made the hype here about their credentials foir an AI would be unbearable.
I'm not from either county so no agenda. Meath were 'disorganised' and easily dis spirited but realistically unless they got some sort of a lucky break they never really looked like they could win once Dublin weathered that 4 pts flurry at the beginning of the second half.
Dublin's MF went out of the game for two spells and there was bvery little 'connection' through the HFs to the FF line so when the supply dried up in MF, they were starved... against a better team, that might have been an issue but not yesterday. I would agree with the two contrasting points made about Sherlock - he is the 'joiner-uper' in the forward line but I think he is definitely off the pace, and was last year. That said he can still play that role and has a place in the panel to do the cameo piece in certain games.
There were two big iussues apart from the shooting that I think need to be addressed - winning MF ball - the low flying as well as the high fielding... that has to be one and then a bit of width in attack.. For all his b/s the arse boxer had the forward line moving very slickly on and off the ball. Yesterday there was no with on them at all and therfore no space to penetrate. MAeath quickly copped funnelling back in front of Dublin, drawing them up blind alleys with lots of green jerseys at the end... defenders heaven
I think this was a gamble by Gilroy to 'temper' a few players in the real scene. Having been involved in co. football as a player and a coach, the pressure and intensity of championship is completely different to League. Add in that being in Croke Pk in front of 70,000 odd against the oldest rivals with all the hype, but with a second chance that wouldn't be that unattractive a route if you had to go there and I think that Gilroy took the view that the experience of the panel would benefit from those new leads getting an experience they would never get from the bench - Cullen, Whelan, Casey (assume he's still around), Sherlock, Ryan, Vaughan, Bonner, Quinn and Connolly have all smelt that grass before so if ye have them as options along with the 15 that started and they all think thay both have a chance or could be cut... bet there is some edge to the training games... that's waht wil improve them as they undoubtedly will over 10 weeks.
Remember as I said, a few kicks and a few punchballs over the bar and the talk would be of 'new Dublin'... nothing's even won in June. The real stuff is a long way to come
Dubs still on course, hype dead as a door nail, expectations ratcheted down-hmmmmm. Methinks Gilroy may be onto something.
When Mayo "almost" won the AI in 1996, they were nearly beat by London in the first round!
http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Mayo/News/ConnTel/96Jun/96Jun05/GAA.htm
Pretty disappointed with the reaction of O'Brien and Curtis on the radio and the papers. Curtis was making out that holding the Dubs to 3 points in the second half was some sort of a positive.
O Brien was disappointed but didnt come across as particularly devastated - he said that Dublin are a good team which the are - the issue is that they were poor last Sunday and should have been beaten.
O'Brien didnt admit any mistakes, e.g. in playing King at FF which is worrying. He intimated that King did well there. Earlier in the year O'Brien also said that it wouldnt be a disaster if Meath were relegated from Div 2 in the league.
I think that if there is not some surgery made to that team and the players back playing in their natural positions especially in the key positions up the middle then the support in the qualifiers will be significantly reduced.
Yea me too agorm. Not liking his attitude too much! Also I read Moyles saying that Bray was injured from the onset, could hardly walk at halk time and STILL was left on for that long. explains alot to me. Why didnt he bring Sherridan on earlier, who again accoriding to Moyles was flying in training.i dont fall for that 'we had four subs used already' he should have been one of the first on. Changes needed for qualifiers or it'll be a really short summer for us. I mean shorter than usual!
He also "explained" not bringing Joe on earlier by saying that he had only one sub left to bring on and had to be careful in the event of injuries etc.
Ridiculous statement- he could have brought him on ahead of some of the other subs and, if needed, brought King back to the half back line. To my mind he didnt even answer the question.
I agree, I find myself questioning him alright. McKeigue was clearly having a torrid time, yet he did nothing till the 45th minute. The midfielders were trying to win kick outs on their own among 5 Dublin players, why weren't players moved to contest the breaks. He could have switched McKeige for Moyles, King for Bray and then it might have made more sense in terms of winning breaks and players might have been better utilised.