Well done to all the teams who reached the league finals today. Lets get it sorted once and for all. The final games has to be played in Croke Park. Playing last years final in Parnell park was a complete joke, depriving all teams of a chance of playing in the best stadium in Ireland. If the Ireland soccer abd Rigby teams can play in it, then surely to God the top teams in div 1and 2 can play in it also. Plus they are playing the rugby final between Munster and Leinster at the start of May. Lets start a campaign to bring Gaelic back to its rightful place-Croke Park. It would be an absolute disgrace if kerry and Derry were brought back to Parnell Park.
Your case would be helped if a few Derry people bothered their arse to go to games.
Get a grip. Not possible unless it was a double/triple header and it would still be dead half the time. All those games you mentioned in your argument would draw in 50,000 plus.
A Division One final between Kerry and Derry would draw maybe three thousand fans. That's about what it did take in last year. Both sides support was well outweighed by Wexford and Fermanagh fans in Parnell Park.
You'd be better served starting a campaign to get your neighbours up there to start going to support the county first off.
if kerry meet derry in the final in sept, will they take it to parnell??? its not about money, the club junior and intermediate finals are they, take gaa to its rightful home
no it would be played in Lourdes because it would be a miracle :D
Quote from: tyronefan on April 12, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
no it would be played in Lourdes because it would be a miracle :D
Class :D :D
last year's league final clashed with Munster v somebody in the heineken semi - that won't be the case this year, still it'll hardly draw more than 10-12K - shouldn't be in croker imo, atmosphere is pathetic when there's such a small attendance, Parnell's as good as any imo.
Wherever it is, will it be a double header Divisions 1 and 2? Given the counties involved Croker should be a good spot, if it weren't for the fact that hardly any would travel from some of these counties.
2 of the choosiest/poorest supported counties in the country. Game should be played in say Longford/Salthill. No way the GAA should subsidize a "day out" in CP for the 2 counties.
Quote from: Zulu on April 12, 2009, 07:40:47 PM
Your case would be helped if a few Derry people bothered their arse to go to games.
bit unfair- very small playing base to begin with. consequently the fan base isn't big.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 12, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 12, 2009, 07:40:47 PM
Your case would be helped if a few Derry people bothered their arse to go to games.
bit unfair- very small playing base to begin with. consequently the fan base isn't big.
Strange then the thousands of Derry wans looking tickets for the 1993 All irealnd final and 50,000 that welcomed themnhome...
Derry have plenty of support, when they bother their arse.
Quote from: Canalman on April 12, 2009, 08:24:41 PMNo way the GAA should subsidize a "day out" in CP for the 2 counties.
Explain
Quote from: ExiledGael on April 12, 2009, 07:46:28 PM
Get a grip. Not possible unless it was a double/triple header and it would still be dead half the time. All those games you mentioned in your argument would draw in 50,000 plus.
A Division One final between Kerry and Derry would draw maybe three thousand fans. That's about what it did take in last year. Both sides support was well outweighed by Wexford and Fermanagh fans in Parnell Park.
You'd be better served starting a campaign to get your neighbours up there to start going to support the county first off.
It was more than that EG, not much more, granted, but more. Somewhere in the region of 5,000. I agree with Bogball, Parnell as good as anywhere. Nothing worse than an empty Croker
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on April 12, 2009, 07:46:28 PM
Get a grip. Not possible unless it was a double/triple header and it would still be dead half the time. All those games you mentioned in your argument would draw in 50,000 plus.
A Division One final between Kerry and Derry would draw maybe three thousand fans. That's about what it did take in last year. Both sides support was well outweighed by Wexford and Fermanagh fans in Parnell Park.
You'd be better served starting a campaign to get your neighbours up there to start going to support the county first off.
It was more than that EG, not much more, granted, but more. Somewhere in the region of 5,000. I agree with Bogball, Parnell as good as anywhere. Nothing worse than an empty Croker
Obviously you've never visited Strabane :-\
No point to use alot of resourses to 1/4 fill croker? Parnell Park was a bit small last year for the double header maybe somewhere with 5-10,000 extra seats. Not Croker.
Quote from: tyronefan on April 12, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
no it would be played in Lourdes because it would be a miracle :D
Thats not funny nor factual, remember less than 12 months ago. Short Memory.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 12, 2009, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 12, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
no it would be played in Lourdes because it would be a miracle :D
Thats not funny nor factual, remember less than 12 months ago. Short Memory.
really
when was the last time Derry met Kerry in a final in September
I assume that the Division 1 and 2 finals would be a double header. I'd like a day out in Croke Park. Parnell should be ruled out for the Monaghan game.
What about a triple header to make Croker viable? Tipp v Down / Monaghan v Cork / Kerry v Derry
First game would have to start early. Might be a bit unfair on Antrim and Sligo though.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 12, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
I assume that the Division 1 and 2 finals would be a double header. I'd like a day out in Croke Park. Parnell should be ruled out for the Monaghan game.
What about a triple header to make Croker viable? Tipp v Down / Monaghan v Cork / Kerry v Derry
First game would have to start early. Might be a bit unfair on Antrim and Sligo though.
It was 1 and 3 last year
still be tight to get 15 - 20 thousand
would like to see croke park used for these finals but would be dead with a half empty park
So throw thousands of tickets to schools. It's the 125th anniversary year - the GAA has already shown this year that it can push the boat out when it wants.
good idea
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Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 12, 2009, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 12, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
no it would be played in Lourdes because it would be a miracle :D
Thats not funny nor factual, remember less than 12 months ago. Short Memory.
really
when was the last time Derry met Kerry in a final in September
Sorry though you were referring to the thread title as you just stuck that comment out there with no reference to any other post ::)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 12, 2009, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on April 12, 2009, 07:46:28 PM
Get a grip. Not possible unless it was a double/triple header and it would still be dead half the time. All those games you mentioned in your argument would draw in 50,000 plus.
A Division One final between Kerry and Derry would draw maybe three thousand fans. That's about what it did take in last year. Both sides support was well outweighed by Wexford and Fermanagh fans in Parnell Park.
You'd be better served starting a campaign to get your neighbours up there to start going to support the county first off.
It was more than that EG, not much more, granted, but more. Somewhere in the region of 5,000. I agree with Bogball, Parnell as good as anywhere. Nothing worse than an empty Croker
Obviously you've never visited Strabane :-\
Has anyone?
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 12, 2009, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 12, 2009, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 12, 2009, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 12, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
no it would be played in Lourdes because it would be a miracle :D
Thats not funny nor factual, remember less than 12 months ago. Short Memory.
really
when was the last time Derry met Kerry in a final in September
Sorry though you were referring to the thread title as you just stuck that comment out there with no reference to any other post ::)
read the post just before it anyway relax it was only a joke
As members of the GAA these four counties have every right to play National finals in the GAA headquarters. It is a sad day when Rugby and soccer teams can play in it and the real people for which Croke Park was built for arent allowed to play on it. it dosent matter one thing if there isnt 30,000 at it. They are GAA people and they demand equality with other sports. It would be more appealing if played in Croke park and would demonstrate a loyalty by those in charge of our National League. Last year was a farce-end of story.
Quote from: southderry on April 12, 2009, 09:09:42 PMLast year was a farce-end of story.
I enjoyed it.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 12, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
So throw thousands of tickets to schools. It's the 125th anniversary year - the GAA has already shown this year that it can push the boat out when it wants.
free tickets are not going to guarantee that people go - you'd probably need cash inducements too!
The game(s) being in Croke Park in itself is probably worth another 5,000 people through the gates.
You'd expect Monaghan to draw a decent crowd i would have thought
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
You'd expect Monaghan to draw a decent crowd i would have thought
div 2 final? Why even bother playing it (did monaghan win one of these or were they robbed at the death 3/4 years ago against Meath?)? I mean, both sides are promoted which was their objective, do either care if they take the title? Same goes for div 3 and 4 titles (though maybe Baker's on a title bonus).
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 12, 2009, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
You'd expect Monaghan to draw a decent crowd i would have thought
div 2 final? Why even bother playing it (did monaghan win one of these or were they robbed at the death 3/4 years ago against Meath?)? I mean, both sides are promoted which was their objective, do either care if they take the title? Same goes for div 3 and 4 titles (though maybe Baker's on a title bonus).
Other way round Bogball. Long range free (not unlike Tohill and Plunkett's in 1992) dropped into the net when Meath were up by 2 points
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 12, 2009, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
You'd expect Monaghan to draw a decent crowd i would have thought
div 2 final? Why even bother playing it (did monaghan win one of these or were they robbed at the death 3/4 years ago against Meath?)? I mean, both sides are promoted which was their objective, do either care if they take the title? Same goes for div 3 and 4 titles (though maybe Baker's on a title bonus).
Other way round Bogball. Long range free (not unlike Tohill and Plunkett's in 1992) dropped into the net when Meath were up by 2 points
Big difference, Jody, Tohill's goal was Derry's just reward for a dominating performance against inferior opponents, Monaghan stole it at the death ;)
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 12, 2009, 09:39:17 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 12, 2009, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
You'd expect Monaghan to draw a decent crowd i would have thought
div 2 final? Why even bother playing it (did monaghan win one of these or were they robbed at the death 3/4 years ago against Meath?)? I mean, both sides are promoted which was their objective, do either care if they take the title? Same goes for div 3 and 4 titles (though maybe Baker's on a title bonus).
Other way round Bogball. Long range free (not unlike Tohill and Plunkett's in 1992) dropped into the net when Meath were up by 2 points
Big difference, Jody, Tohill's goal was Derry's just reward for a dominating performance against inferior opponents, Monaghan stole it at the death ;)
I like that.... With one sentence, you piss off the oul' enemy and the new one (of the last 3 or 4 years anyway) at the same time....... Clever :D
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 12, 2009, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
You'd expect Monaghan to draw a decent crowd i would have thought
div 2 final? Why even bother playing it (did monaghan win one of these or were they robbed at the death 3/4 years ago against Meath?)? I mean, both sides are promoted which was their objective, do either care if they take the title? Same goes for div 3 and 4 titles (though maybe Baker's on a title bonus).
When Monaghan won Division 2 a couple of years ago there only was two divisions (1A, 1B, 2A and 2B)...was it effectively winning Division 3? Is the Division 2 trophy they won that day the same as the one they'll be playing for in a couple of weeks or what way does it work?
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 12, 2009, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
You'd expect Monaghan to draw a decent crowd i would have thought
div 2 final? Why even bother playing it (did monaghan win one of these or were they robbed at the death 3/4 years ago against Meath?)? I mean, both sides are promoted which was their objective, do either care if they take the title? Same goes for div 3 and 4 titles (though maybe Baker's on a title bonus).
A title is a title - it's silverware. It's nice to have a good run, but it caps it off if there's something tangible at the end of it. A league should really be won by the team who finishes top, but with only 8 teams in each league and 7 games each, it doesn't work that well. It's another game, should be a tough one, and it would be great if we could beat Cork again. Also nice to have another game before going up against Derry in the first round.
Quote from: Doire abú on April 12, 2009, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 12, 2009, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: jodyb on April 12, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
You'd expect Monaghan to draw a decent crowd i would have thought
div 2 final? Why even bother playing it (did monaghan win one of these or were they robbed at the death 3/4 years ago against Meath?)? I mean, both sides are promoted which was their objective, do either care if they take the title? Same goes for div 3 and 4 titles (though maybe Baker's on a title bonus).
When Monaghan won Division 2 a couple of years ago there only was two divisions (1A, 1B, 2A and 2B)...was it effectively winning Division 3? Is the Division 2 trophy they won that day the same as the one they'll be playing for in a couple of weeks or what way does it work?
This Division 2 title would be a step up from the one in 2005, due to the restructured league, as far as i would understand it. 2005 was like winning Divisions 3 and 4.
Yeah thats what I was thinking. I wonder if the trophy will be the same as the last time Monaghan won Div 2, or is that trophy now used for Div 3?
Pity there seems to be no roll of honour for all the NFL divisions over the years online anywhere.
I think that if this game is played at any neutral venue, that you will struggle to get more tha 3,000 at it. I suggest that we toss for home venue and that would create some interest in at least one of the counties. Is the national league going the same way as the Railway Cup?
Quote from: seamusthebard on April 13, 2009, 12:01:01 PM
I think that if this game is played at any neutral venue, that you will struggle to get more tha 3,000 at it. I suggest that we toss for home venue and that would create some interest in at least one of the counties. Is the national league going the same way as the Railway Cup?
According to todays papers that has already been suggested and Derry turned the idea down saying there was no way they were going to play a league final in Kerry
Quote from: tyronefan on April 13, 2009, 12:03:36 PM
Quote from: seamusthebard on April 13, 2009, 12:01:01 PM
I think that if this game is played at any neutral venue, that you will struggle to get more tha 3,000 at it. I suggest that we toss for home venue and that would create some interest in at least one of the counties. Is the national league going the same way as the Railway Cup?
According to todays papers that has already been suggested and Derry turned the idea down saying there was no way they were going to play a league final in Kerry
I wouldn't blame them - why should they have to go to Kerry to contest a national final? Regardless of how many people turn up, moving it to some remote venue just further devalues the competition. It's like the GAA admitting defeat.
We have 50/50 chance of it being in Derry..... take a chance on it Derry, let's be brave for once!
Just thinking, if we were lucky to win toss, it would be some way to reopen Celtric Park. Think of the support it would create within the county, would get the yuong ones out and would give the newcomers on the team an opportunity to play on Celtic Park in the new surroundings before the Monaghan game. Come on damian, you can get around McCloy.
I thought it was touch and go as to whether Celtic Park was going to be ready for the Monaghan game at the end of May, nevermind in 2 weeks time?
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 13, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
I thought it was touch and go as to whether Celtic Park was going to be ready for the Monaghan game at the end of May, nevermind in 2 weeks time?
It's virtually complete, surprising what can be done when the pressure comes on! Let's go for it Damian, see Maguire is quaking in his boots!
Think Celtic Park isn't far away from being ready - although 2 weeks is probably pushing it.
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Quote from: seamusthebard on April 13, 2009, 12:45:58 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 13, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
I thought it was touch and go as to whether Celtic Park was going to be ready for the Monaghan game at the end of May, nevermind in 2 weeks time?
It's virtually complete, surprising what can be done when the pressure comes on! Let's go for it Damian, see Maguire is quaking in his boots!
::)
i hope Antrim get to play their league final in Croke. the wide open spaces should suit us. we might even do a Tipp next year
wanting the game played in croke park is crazy, the place would be practically empty.
I enjoyed the game in parnell park last year, but it was abit on the small side and not great for viewing a match unless you had a ticket for the stand.
why not have a double header od the division 1 and 2 finals at somewhere like portlaoise?
on a side note.......i take it the season tickets are valid for the final?
Quote from: southderryman on April 13, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
wanting the game played in croke park is crazy, the place would be practically empty.
I enjoyed the game in parnell park last year, but it was abit on the small side and not great for viewing a match unless you had a ticket for the stand.
why not have a double header od the division 1 and 2 finals at somewhere like portlaoise?
on a side note.......i take it the season tickets are valid for the final?
Surely playing in Croke Park in April would be beneficial to Derry if there were to play there again later in the summer. Much in the same way Mickey Harte was pushing for the Tyrone vs Armagh game to be in Croker.
Quote from: Doire abú on April 13, 2009, 06:24:01 PM
Quote from: southderryman on April 13, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
wanting the game played in croke park is crazy, the place would be practically empty.
I enjoyed the game in parnell park last year, but it was abit on the small side and not great for viewing a match unless you had a ticket for the stand.
why not have a double header od the division 1 and 2 finals at somewhere like portlaoise?
on a side note.......i take it the season tickets are valid for the final?
Surely playing in Croke Park in April would be beneficial to Derry if there were to play there again later in the summer. Much in the same way Mickey Harte was pushing for the Tyrone vs Armagh game to be in Croker.
of course it would be beneficial, but ffs this is the GAA we're talking about here, unless it involves profit croker wont be open for a league final and i cant see a big enough crowd from either derry or kerry attending.
then again we sold 20,000 tickets for the dublin game in 07 despite only having a few hundred at the armagh match 4 weeks previous to that so maybe our "support" would fancy a day in croker. ::)
I agree Division 2,3 and 4 finals are pointless. Promotion is the aim ,last years Div 2 final was like a challenge match
Quote from: southderryman on April 13, 2009, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on April 13, 2009, 06:24:01 PM
Quote from: southderryman on April 13, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
wanting the game played in croke park is crazy, the place would be practically empty.
I enjoyed the game in parnell park last year, but it was abit on the small side and not great for viewing a match unless you had a ticket for the stand.
why not have a double header od the division 1 and 2 finals at somewhere like portlaoise?
on a side note.......i take it the season tickets are valid for the final?
Surely playing in Croke Park in April would be beneficial to Derry if there were to play there again later in the summer. Much in the same way Mickey Harte was pushing for the Tyrone vs Armagh game to be in Croker.
of course it would be beneficial, but ffs this is the GAA we're talking about here, unless it involves profit croker wont be open for a league final and i cant see a big enough crowd from either derry or kerry attending.
then again we sold 20,000 tickets for the dublin game in 07 despite only having a few hundred at the armagh match 4 weeks previous to that so maybe our "support" would fancy a day in croker. ::)
On a more serious note....rip tonight?
Quote from: Doire abú on April 13, 2009, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: southderryman on April 13, 2009, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on April 13, 2009, 06:24:01 PM
Quote from: southderryman on April 13, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
wanting the game played in croke park is crazy, the place would be practically empty.
I enjoyed the game in parnell park last year, but it was abit on the small side and not great for viewing a match unless you had a ticket for the stand.
why not have a double header od the division 1 and 2 finals at somewhere like portlaoise?
on a side note.......i take it the season tickets are valid for the final?
Surely playing in Croke Park in April would be beneficial to Derry if there were to play there again later in the summer. Much in the same way Mickey Harte was pushing for the Tyrone vs Armagh game to be in Croker.
of course it would be beneficial, but ffs this is the GAA we're talking about here, unless it involves profit croker wont be open for a league final and i cant see a big enough crowd from either derry or kerry attending.
then again we sold 20,000 tickets for the dublin game in 07 despite only having a few hundred at the armagh match 4 weeks previous to that so maybe our "support" would fancy a day in croker. ::)
On a more serious note....rip tonight?
no chance. had far too much last night, thats me off it til next thurs...........dissertation due in that day. :(
Quote from: southderryman on April 13, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
wanting the game played in croke park is crazy, the place would be practically empty.
I enjoyed the game in parnell park last year, but it was abit on the small side and not great for viewing a match unless you had a ticket for the stand.
why not have a double header od the division 1 and 2 finals at somewhere like portlaoise?
on a side note.......i take it the season tickets are valid for the final?
I think if you have a season ticket, you get a ticket for the final, but it's charged to your credit card. The season ticket entitled you to 7 NFL games and the first championship match, and any other match would be charged to your card, regardless if you go or not.
I dont think croke park is a runner for this game.
i reckon a double header for the div 1 & 2 could be played in portlaoise
Banty wants it in HQ - hardly surprising as he has always pushed for Monaghan's bigger games in Croke Park. Understandable for something as important as a league final.
QuoteMcEnaney wants league finals in Croker
14 April 2009
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney has called on the GAA to play all of the NFL finals in Croke Park.
McEnaney, whose side face Cork in the Division 2 decider, has also urged the GAA to drop admission prices and make "proper occasions" of the finals.
And with Croker set to host the Heineken Cup semi-final between Leinster and Munster on Saturday, May 2, pressure is mounting on the GAA to play the league finals at the Jones' Road venue six days earlier.
Two of the last three league finals have been played in Limerick (2006) and Parnell Park (2008) before paltry attendances, but in spite of this, McEnaney believes this year's finals should be played at GAA headquarters, possibly as a quadruple-header.
"I don't see why all four league finals shouldn't be played there. The leagues are our second biggest competition," he said.
"Teams in the final deserve to play in Croke Park. I don't see why all four league finals shouldn't be played there. Antrim and Sligo deserve it as much as Kerry and Derry. We'd love to play there - as would Down and Tipperary. It shouldn't always be about money.
"In fact, I'd be urging them to drop prices and try to attract more people through the gates, especially families."
The GAA are due to decide on the venue, or venues, for the finals today.
Not sure about the logistics of a quadruple header though - unless he meant across the Saturday and the Sunday. It would be some fun watching 4 games in a row!
If the All-Ireland Intermediate and Junior club finals as well as the ladies football and camogie finals can be played in a 1/4 full Croke Park, then the league final should be played there as well.
Wheres the div 3 and 4 finals due to be played at?
If the GAA can successfully attract 80,000 to Croker for a relatively meaningless league fixture on a freezing January night, it can surely attract half that number to a League finals double-bill. The same applies to the Tyrone v Armagh fixture. The way things are going, our kids will have to take up rugby if they ever want to play, or indeed watch their team, in Croke Park.
Quote from: cornafean on April 14, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
If the GAA can successfully attract 80,000 to Croker for a relatively meaningless league fixture on a freezing January night, it can surely attract half that number to a League finals double-bill. The same applies to the Tyrone v Armagh fixture. The way things are going, our kids will have to take up rugby if they ever want to play, or indeed watch their team, in Croke Park.
Come on, that's a bit of an exageration. There will be 3 rugby matches in Croke Park 2009 (do we host the autumn internationals this year?), that would be antoher 2 at most - total 5. Arguably trying your luck at being a rock / pop star would be as good a way onto the hallowed turf as egg chasing.
On the league finals, the way they've fallen, Dublin would actually be a reasonably fair location for all. 4 matches in one day is possible with throw ins of 1pm, 2 45pm, 4 30pm and 6 15pm. Might attract a reasonable attendance in terms of tickets sold though the fact that few people will watch all matches would make it look very sparce.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 14, 2009, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: cornafean on April 14, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
If the GAA can successfully attract 80,000 to Croker for a relatively meaningless league fixture on a freezing January night, it can surely attract half that number to a League finals double-bill. The same applies to the Tyrone v Armagh fixture. The way things are going, our kids will have to take up rugby if they ever want to play, or indeed watch their team, in Croke Park.
Come on, that's a bit of an exageration. There will be 3 rugby matches in Croke Park 2009 (do we host the autumn internationals this year?), that would be antoher 2 at most - total 5. Arguably trying your luck at being a rock / pop star would be as good a way onto the hallowed turf as egg chasing.
On the league finals, the way they've fallen, Dublin would actually be a reasonably fair location for all. 4 matches in one day is possible with throw ins of 1pm, 2 45pm, 4 30pm and 6 15pm. Might attract a reasonable attendance in terms of tickets sold though the fact that few people will watch all matches would make it look very sparce.
I think that might not be a bad idea but have the first game at 12 noon.
Bullshit. How can u expect voluntary stewards to be present from 10am until 9pm???
3 games is a big ask 4 is a total non-runner.
Quote from: cornafean on April 14, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
If the GAA can successfully attract 80,000 to Croker for a relatively meaningless league fixture on a freezing January night, it can surely attract half that number to a League finals double-bill. The same applies to the Tyrone v Armagh fixture. The way things are going, our kids will have to take up rugby if they ever want to play, or indeed watch their team, in Croke Park.
Tyrone /Armagh is a first round Ulster Championship fixture. This is the finals of the national leagues. There's a big difference in the arguments as to what should be played in Croke Park.
And the rugby isn't having any impact on whether games will or will not be played in Croke Park.
Quote from: Mid Mon on April 14, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
Bullshit. How can u expect voluntary stewards to be present from 10am until 9pm???
3 games is a big ask 4 is a total non-runner.
Are the stewards definitely voluntary at Croke Park?
Even if they are, surely two shifts would solve this issue. It will hardly be the deciding factor.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 14, 2009, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: cornafean on April 14, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
If the GAA can successfully attract 80,000 to Croker for a relatively meaningless league fixture on a freezing January night, it can surely attract half that number to a League finals double-bill. The same applies to the Tyrone v Armagh fixture. The way things are going, our kids will have to take up rugby if they ever want to play, or indeed watch their team, in Croke Park.
Come on, that's a bit of an exageration. There will be 3 rugby matches in Croke Park 2009 (do we host the autumn internationals this year?), that would be antoher 2 at most - total 5. Arguably trying your luck at being a rock / pop star would be as good a way onto the hallowed turf as egg chasing.
On the league finals, the way they've fallen, Dublin would actually be a reasonably fair location for all. 4 matches in one day is possible with throw ins of 1pm, 2 45pm, 4 30pm and 6 15pm. Might attract a reasonable attendance in terms of tickets sold though the fact that few people will watch all matches would make it look very sparce.
Of course its an exaggeration but its very frustrating to see the Croke Park promotion people passing up good promotional opportunities. If enough League Finals are played in the likes of Parnell Park, then they will end up like League of Ireland fixtures, supported by the diehards and ignored by the broad mass of supporters.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: cornafean on April 14, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
If the GAA can successfully attract 80,000 to Croker for a relatively meaningless league fixture on a freezing January night, it can surely attract half that number to a League finals double-bill. The same applies to the Tyrone v Armagh fixture. The way things are going, our kids will have to take up rugby if they ever want to play, or indeed watch their team, in Croke Park.
Tyrone /Armagh is a first round Ulster Championship fixture. This is the finals of the national leagues. There's a big difference in the arguments as to what should be played in Croke Park.
but no difference in the potential marketing benefit that is being squandered in both cases.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
And the rugby isn't having any impact on whether games will or will not be played in Croke Park.
Did I say otherwise ???
Division 1 and 2 finals confirmed for Croke Park on 26th
Div 3 & 4 finals are a double header in Longford.
Quote from: thebandit on April 14, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Division 1 and 2 finals confirmed for Croke Park on 26th
Div 3 & 4 finals are a double header in Longford.
Where did you hear that?
Quote from: cornafean on April 14, 2009, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: cornafean on April 14, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
If the GAA can successfully attract 80,000 to Croker for a relatively meaningless league fixture on a freezing January night, it can surely attract half that number to a League finals double-bill. The same applies to the Tyrone v Armagh fixture. The way things are going, our kids will have to take up rugby if they ever want to play, or indeed watch their team, in Croke Park.
Tyrone /Armagh is a first round Ulster Championship fixture. This is the finals of the national leagues. There's a big difference in the arguments as to what should be played in Croke Park.
but no difference in the potential marketing benefit that is being squandered in both cases.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
And the rugby isn't having any impact on whether games will or will not be played in Croke Park.
Did I say otherwise ???
Fair enough, you didn't. But 'our kids' have much more chance of playing GAA in Croker than Rugby, even in the current situation. Also, the extent of rugby in CP at the minute is exceptional and won't last.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2009, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: thebandit on April 14, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Division 1 and 2 finals confirmed for Croke Park on 26th
Div 3 & 4 finals are a double header in Longford.
Where did you hear that?
I see it up now on RTÉ.ie
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0414/gaa.html
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2009, 01:13:05 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2009, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: thebandit on April 14, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Division 1 and 2 finals confirmed for Croke Park on 26th
Div 3 & 4 finals are a double header in Longford.
Where did you hear that?
I see it up now on RTÉ.ie
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0414/gaa.html
good stuff
The double headr in Longford is a bit of an odd one.... cant see a massive crowd from Down or Antrim going....... Tipp could have a good support.
quite surprised the GAA decided on croker for the game, they must be relying on a big support from monaghan, although in saying that we might get some bandwagon supporters abot earlier this year if the weather is good.
as i say, surprised at the venue, but quite pleased, it'll do our players no harm to get a game in croke park, hopefullly a bit of experience of the venue for later on in the year.
Suprised as well but can only be good for our lads to get a game at Crokers before summer.
Quote from: Katchit on April 14, 2009, 01:30:58 PM
Suprised as well but can only be good for our lads to get a game at Crokers before summer.
we hope ;)
Quote from: Mid Mon on April 14, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
Bullshit. How can u expect voluntary stewards to be present from 10am until 9pm???
3 games is a big ask 4 is a total non-runner.
If you weren't so keen to shout down others perhaps you could consider the fact that the whole stadium wouldn't be open (couldn't see 50,000 going) and stewards could be split into shifts if necessary. Cool your jets.
The lineup in Longford doesn't look that appetising although its at most only an hour spin away for us.
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2009, 01:47:37 PM
Half 4 in Longford. What a load of ballix.
Sure it could be worse, it could be a Saturday as well. Oh, wait...
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2009, 01:47:37 PM
Half 4 in Longford. What a load of ballix.
dont see the logic behind it myself, clones omagh enniskillen would have been much more sensible venues for antrim v sligo and would make more sense, then again they probably want a double header so they can charge more even though most people will only be interested in their own county's match and they cant really take tipp so far north.
I dont think they would be that worried about Tipp fans, there were at most 50 of them at the Tipp v Down game and it was in Thurles. The decision to play these games in Longford is a joke.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on April 14, 2009, 01:56:21 PM
I dont think they would be that worried about Tipp fans, there were at most 50 of them at the Tipp v Down game and it was in Thurles. The decision to play these games in Longford is a joke.
portlaoise in a stupid venue for down v tipp, parnell park or a triple header in croker might have been more sensible but it would be unfair to leave sligo and antrim out. taking sligo and antrim to portlaoise is crazy aswell. if the div 1 and 2 finals are in croker on the sun there's no reason the div 3 and 4 finals couldnt be there on the sat.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 14, 2009, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Mon on April 14, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
Bullshit. How can u expect voluntary stewards to be present from 10am until 9pm???
3 games is a big ask 4 is a total non-runner.
If you weren't so keen to shout down others perhaps you could consider the fact that the whole stadium wouldn't be open (couldn't see 50,000 going) and stewards could be split into shifts if necessary. Cool your jets.
The lineup in Longford doesn't look that appetising although its at most only an hour spin away for us.
Agree with what magpie said re not opening the whole stadium and splitting shift. Think the GAA have really missed a trick here. Can't see any real disadvantage in having the div 3 & 4 finals in Croke Park as well.
The club finals massed 35,000 people and there was quite a good atmosphere there, surely each couty would bring in the region of 8,000 people especially with it being in CrokerPark?
Everyone says last year there was little support in Parnell Park, well I WAS THERE and people were squashed in like sardines, and it was ticket only and I know people who didn't get a ticket. However from the Derry Kerry contingent I would say it was 80/20 Derry.
Can't see Cork and Kerry bringing 8000 with them. Cork will shout for Derry in 2nd match . Hope Derry will shout for Cork in first one.
kerry, derry and cork you would imagine wouldl not bring big numbers yet....... tho last year kerry v derry in parnal pk had around 10k if this game is promoted right they should pull close to 30k. its a national final in cp where it should be every year on the same date. it'll be interesting to see the crowd in comparison to last year in pp
There'll be 15000 from Monaghan at the game
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 14, 2009, 04:03:16 PM
The club finals massed 35,000 people and there was quite a good atmosphere there, surely each couty would bring in the region of 8,000 people especially with it being in CrokerPark?
Everyone says last year there was little support in Parnell Park, well I WAS THERE and people were squashed in like sardines, and it was ticket only and I know people who didn't get a ticket. However from the Derry Kerry contingent I would say it was 80/20 Derry.
It wasn't ticket only (or if it was, tickets were available immediately before the turnstiles), people weren't squashed in like sardines (the stands were rigthly packed though) and I'd say it was more like 30% Fermanagh, 45% Derry, 10% Wexford, 10% neutral and 5% Kerry.
Otherwise, I'm happy enough it's in Croker now, we should be able to get about 30,000 if the Derry bandwagon gets up and running early, but we'll need a pile of monaghan boys to boost the numbers.
It'll be good for Derry an dMonaghan as well, Ulster will support each other, but can't see Cork and Kerry supporting each other!!
Quote from: thebandit on April 14, 2009, 09:38:17 PM
There'll be 15000 from Monaghan at the game
Not a chance...
9,000 tops (which would still be a good crowd)
Quote from: blanketattack on April 14, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
If the All-Ireland Intermediate and Junior club finals as well as the ladies football and camogie finals can be played in a 1/4 full Croke Park, then the league final should be played there as well.
Was at the hurling Intermediate & Junior finals and only a few sections of the Lower Hogan were open so the ground was nowhere near 1/4 full.
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 14, 2009, 09:55:18 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 14, 2009, 04:03:16 PM
The club finals massed 35,000 people and there was quite a good atmosphere there, surely each couty would bring in the region of 8,000 people especially with it being in CrokerPark?
Everyone says last year there was little support in Parnell Park, well I WAS THERE and people were squashed in like sardines, and it was ticket only and I know people who didn't get a ticket. However from the Derry Kerry contingent I would say it was 80/20 Derry.
It wasn't ticket only (or if it was, tickets were available immediately before the turnstiles), people weren't squashed in like sardines (the stands were rigthly packed though) and I'd say it was more like 30% Fermanagh, 45% Derry, 10% Wexford, 10% neutral and 5% Kerry.
Otherwise, I'm happy enough it's in Croker now, we should be able to get about 30,000 if the Derry bandwagon gets up and running early, but we'll need a pile of monaghan boys to boost the numbers.
I think people are being very optimistic with some of the figures being thrown out here, I would be shocked if there was 25k in the stadium for the finals.
Tickets are €25
€5 for kids
on sale on ticketmaster
Just got an email from HQ - season ticket holders for the 4 counties are free for the final. Nice one.
Fair play --it was he least they could do.
However charging €25 is totally over the top for finals that nobody really cares about who wins even most of those taking part.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 14, 2009, 10:23:41 PM
It'll be good for Derry an dMonaghan as well, Ulster will support each other, but can't see Cork and Kerry supporting each other!!
I agree with you little hope of neighbourly love on the 28 .
Quote from: Rossfan on April 17, 2009, 09:54:32 PM
Fair play --it was he least they could do.
However charging €25 is totally over the top for finals that nobody really cares about who wins even most of those taking part.
Well it wasn't the least they could do - they didn't have to do
anything - it was made clear to all season ticket holders that they would be charged for additional games, so there's no need to undermine this gesture in any way.
I'd agree however that €25 is too steep if you're trying to attract neutrals through the gates.
So much for the efforts to attract people to these games. €25 is too dear, they'd have been safer charging €15 and putting a bit of effort into promoting the game.