So can Derry beat Donegal by 5+ points to make the league final (provided Kerry beat Galway at home)??
Have we learned from Tyrone?
What changes will Cassidy implement?
Do we really want to be in the league final this year after crashing and burning in last years championship?
There's a good few young lads on that roster, the big game experience could do them the world of good.
Thats true, James Kielt had a poor showing on Sat night with a previously high standard especially against Kerry. Browner is usually handy enough, free miss was one of them things. Defence is relatively good, couple of players fighting for their places Mc Cusker/Mc Cloy for FB, and then theres O Kane, SL Mc Goldrick, Kevin Mc Guckin etc. B Mc Goldrick has proven to be handy in CHB, and double up as a scoring half back which is always useful. The half forward line remains somewhat of a dilemma, I think James Kielt is better suited to the centre and Murphy on the wing (However I think Murphy might actually be better used as an impact sub, as he usually feels he has to prove himself in these instances i.ie Dublin 07) With Lynch back in the fold come championship time the team is anybodys guess. As long as DC doesn't do a Paddy Crozier and puts out a team like that which faced Monaghan in the back door last year, in all the years I have been supporting Derry I think I have yet to see a worse team lineout.
Derry are by no means the finished article and very much still a work-in progress, but I think we can give Ulster a good rattle this year, and anything else is a bonus.
Oh sorry forgot to mention, Bumble from Ballinascreen, he should be getting a run out, seen him yesterday against Lavey in Ulster league SF in Screen yesterday, scoring from all angles terrorising the defence, given we were very very poor but you can only play what is in front of you, definitely should get a run out before the end of the league.
Oakleafer Murphy started against Dublin in '07 and was playing superbly only to be replaced by Skinner at half time. I think Murphy is looking more and more impressive with each game he plays and would certainly have him at CHF.
I do agree however that Bumble should get another chance now against Donegal, he'd be disappointed if he didn't. We don't need to win this by 5 or 6, if Kerry could manage a 2-3 point win over Galway we would only need the same. There's a slim chance we could make the final but I doubt if there are too many bothered to be honest. Cant see it doing us much good. Like the Galway and Tyrone games, I'd be more interested in a good performance.
I think Derry can easily manage a 3/4 point win, it depends on Kerry and who they want to play in the league final - after last year they may prefer Galway ;). Incidentally it was lucky that Mayo beat Galway or what a dead rubber the Kerry v Galway match would have been.
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 31, 2009, 09:33:01 AM
Oakleafer Murphy started against Dublin in '07 and was playing superbly only to be replaced by Skinner at half time. I think Murphy is looking more and more impressive with each game he plays and would certainly have him at CHF.
I do agree however that Bumble should get another chance now against Donegal, he'd be disappointed if he didn't. We don't need to win this by 5 or 6, if Kerry could manage a 2-3 point win over Galway we would only need the same. There's a slim chance we could make the final but I doubt if there are too many bothered to be honest. Cant see it doing us much good. Like the Galway and Tyrone games, I'd be more interested in a good performance.
What county do you think we are from sideline? to be talking about turning up our noses at a national league title is laughable from a county like ours! And just to remind us, we got beat by kerry, we got beat by Tyrone, we drew with galway.... where are the improvements from this time last year? As i told you before Sideline........ stick to reality!
Performance wise I think we're playing alot better as I'm sure everyone has noticed, then again TFAL you couldn't even see a difference between the 1st and 2nd halves on Sat ::)
I'm not turning my nose up at it, but you seen last year after winning the league it did nothing for us. I would certainly take another final but I think not reaching it would keep the lads feet on the ground.
The experimentation this year has been great and we've won, drawn and narrowly lost matches with so-called weakened teams. Think before you post TFAL. We should have beaten Tyrone, and a draw against Galway was a great result. Just because you don't win every game doesn't mean you haven't had an encouraging performance. Simple outlook for simple people eh?
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on March 31, 2009, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 31, 2009, 09:33:01 AM
Oakleafer Murphy started against Dublin in '07 and was playing superbly only to be replaced by Skinner at half time. I think Murphy is looking more and more impressive with each game he plays and would certainly have him at CHF.
I do agree however that Bumble should get another chance now against Donegal, he'd be disappointed if he didn't. We don't need to win this by 5 or 6, if Kerry could manage a 2-3 point win over Galway we would only need the same. There's a slim chance we could make the final but I doubt if there are too many bothered to be honest. Cant see it doing us much good. Like the Galway and Tyrone games, I'd be more interested in a good performance.
What county do you think we are from sideline? to be talking about turning up our noses at a national league title is laughable from a county like ours! And just to remind us, we got beat by kerry, we got beat by Tyrone, we drew with galway.... where are the improvements from this time last year? As i told you before Sideline........ stick to reality!
Last year we were putting out almost our strongest team possible in most games, playing with very little or no game plan and relying on the sheer talent of individuals to get results. It wasn't too hard for Fermanagh and Monaghan to nullify this free flowing football come the championship.
Take at look at this years league games and look how many different men have got run outs. These men have been given specific roles to carry out in a system that cassidy is trying to implement. Id be sure that the some of these boys wouldn't cut it if they were fired into last years team and left to their own devices, but within a system with set roles they are prospering.
Look at how many successful National league campaigns we had in the late 90's and see how we faired in the championship after it. Come september, a national league title means very little.
Lads TFAL is by nature a pessimist, and as well, by his own admission isn't a scholar of football matches, as yet he is unable to describe what exactly is the way the Derry team are trying to play. I have openly admitted on here that I'm no expert on the game, but I can at least see what way Derry are trying to play.....What say ye TFAL?
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 31, 2009, 11:29:13 AM
Performance wise I think we're playing alot better as I'm sure everyone has noticed, then again TFAL you couldn't even see a difference between the 1st and 2nd halves on Sat ::)I'm not turning my nose up at it, but you seen last year after winning the league it did nothing for us. I would certainly take another final but I think not reaching it would keep the lads feet on the ground.
The experimentation this year has been great and we've won, drawn and narrowly lost matches with so-called weakened teams. Think before you post TFAL. We should have beaten Tyrone, and a draw against Galway was a great result. Just because you don't win every game doesn't mean you haven't had an encouraging performance. Simple outlook for simple people eh?
You are getting worse Sideline! The difference in the First half and The second half!!! We were getting beating by 3 at half time and got beat by 3 at the end of 2nd half IE WE GOT BEAT> now for anyone wqho says that we should have beat tyrone wasn't at the game I was at! AND, they hadn't the two mcmahons and mcmenamin in defence...... mcginlay in midfield........ mcguigan, dooher and o'neil in their forward line. Like i said Sideline.... its all about reality ie THE SCOREBOARD!
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on March 31, 2009, 11:43:45 AM
Lads TFAL is by nature a pessimist, and as well, by his own admission isn't a scholar of football matches, as yet he is unable to describe what exactly is the way the Derry team are trying to play. I have openly admitted on here that I'm no expert on the game, but I can at least see what way Derry are trying to play.....What say ye TFAL?
You are partly right Max.... I'm not a scholar at anything never mind football but I'm not a pessimist , i'm a realist, i judge things on results. Now as a derry supporter, i would like to know what the system is that everyone has identified except me...
please slowly explain it to me!
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on March 31, 2009, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on March 31, 2009, 11:43:45 AM
Lads TFAL is by nature a pessimist, and as well, by his own admission isn't a scholar of football matches, as yet he is unable to describe what exactly is the way the Derry team are trying to play. I have openly admitted on here that I'm no expert on the game, but I can at least see what way Derry are trying to play.....What say ye TFAL?
You are partly right Max.... I'm not a scholar at anything never mind football but I'm not a pessimist , i'm a realist, i judge things on results. Now as a derry supporter, i would like to know what the system is that everyone has identified except me... please slowly explain it to me!
TFAL we all know Derry got beat, thats not being a realist, thats stating the obvious. Tell us why derry didn't get bottled up in the second half in comparsion to the first.
:D TFAL really is getting worse!! I am more content this year watching Derry than i was last year. As stated, we have been trying different men out and are still coming away with good results. We were also missing players on Sat if you can remember the team TFAL. I don't think anyone will spell the system out to you because its much more fun watching you give your analysis based solely on half time and full time scores. Yes, games and championships are won by the result of a match but you don't have to win every match of the year. Had Brown put over that free Tyrone would not have won, how can you argue with that?
Your simple analysis is very amusing to the average gael, if Derry win then its a positive performance if they're beat its a bad performance, no in betweens, don't worry about work rate, turn overs, individual performances, passing, speed of moving the ball, tackling, no these aren't worth talking about. Derry beat = bad. You do make me laugh.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on March 31, 2009, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on March 31, 2009, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on March 31, 2009, 11:43:45 AM
Lads TFAL is by nature a pessimist, and as well, by his own admission isn't a scholar of football matches, as yet he is unable to describe what exactly is the way the Derry team are trying to play. I have openly admitted on here that I'm no expert on the game, but I can at least see what way Derry are trying to play.....What say ye TFAL?
You are partly right Max.... I'm not a scholar at anything never mind football but I'm not a pessimist , i'm a realist, i judge things on results. Now as a derry supporter, i would like to know what the system is that everyone has identified except me... please slowly explain it to me!
TFAL we all know Derry got beat, thats not being a realist, thats stating the obvious. Tell us why derry didn't get bottled up in the second half in comparsion to the first.
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I don't know, i'm your ordinary reun of the mill supporter Max...... tell me the system so that i'll be able to look out for it on sunday against Donegal.
Sideline, I have admitted I'm no experet when it comes to tactics and that sort of thing... my view is that of a layman. BUT despoite all your talk of systems and players knowing their roles in the system NOBODY will tell what the system is? Eg. "What was james Kielts and Paul Youngs Role? How were they kept on so long and Paul Bradley taken off. Now bradley was depending on the ball being got into him but they were all played to Paddy Braley in the other corner!
Here lads don't be pickin on TFAL he doesn't know any better.
If you want to suss out the system just keep an eye on the WHF's during the game!
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2009, 12:10:50 PM
Here lads don't be pickin on TFAL he doesn't know any better.
If you want to suss out the system just keep an eye on the WHF's during the game!
Sorry for asking! Sorry for not being intellectually tuned in to the superior knowledge of Loup and Screen..... they have some championships between them! BTW Screen, you showed how great a Derry supporter you are when you huffed and didn't come to bellaghy to see the GREAT kerry!
TFAL calm down no one is challenging your intelligence, I am not master of tactics myself, but you overdo it with your simplistic outlook. Can you take nothing positive from the Tyrone game, the Kerry game or the Galway game? Winning isn't the be all and end all, least of all in the league when we're already safe. Nobody in Derry would turn their nose up at a NL final, what I'm saying is it wont do us any good. I'll take it if it happens but expect Cass to be as experimental as ever. This time last year you could have named the championship team with the usual suspects being on regardless of how they played throughout the year. Cass has brought in cover for anyone either injured or playing bad, he has brought in playing time for the less experienced so they can handle inter county football should they be called upon.
For too many years Derry have gone with the "safe" team so that if they were beat there could be no justified backlash. Cass is very much his own man and men will play when they deserve to regardless of their name or history with the county. We have learnt for one thing that it is actually possible to cope without Doc in the middle of the field. I would expect him to start come championship but Cass can be sure he has another man that can come in if Doc got injured after 5 mins! We have much more depth to the panel this year, which is Tyrone's biggest strength. Cassidy is constantly learning from Harte along with adding his own personal touch.
TFAL regardless of whether you can see a system or not you cannot simply judge a team on the final score of a league game.
i know what you mean sideline as regards coping without doc,yes we will be more prepared this year if we lose him but be under no illusion if we lose him against the better teams we will struggle
Without a doubt Drum, his influence is exceptional, but I am slightly more content this year that if something did happen (fingers crossed it won't) then we could make a shape at contesting MF not like last year a la Fermanagh! There's no doubt the big man will be starting but Cass is being pro active as opposed to being reactive.
lads - this is my observation - Eoin Bradley plays well for Derry when is Paddy isn't playing - when Paddy is playing he overplays the ball and kicks it to his brother - consequently nobody else gets a look in. Now I am not saying we should drop Paddy or Eoin. But we play better football when only one is playing. Twice I seen Eoin refusing to pass to Kielt on saturday night - and if he had it would have made a difference in the game.
Derry had Galway well beat in the second half - totally cleaned them out at midfield - problem was the wind and the poor shooting.
Again Kerry - we had Nobody to replace eoin Bradley after he was sent off. eoin was winiing the ball hands down against Kerry and I think we would have fared better if he had not been sent off.
Expect Kerry to put Galway to the sword and to look for revenge against us in the final. Subject to us beating Donegal.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on March 31, 2009, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 31, 2009, 09:33:01 AM
Oakleafer Murphy started against Dublin in '07 and was playing superbly only to be replaced by Skinner at half time. I think Murphy is looking more and more impressive with each game he plays and would certainly have him at CHF.
I do agree however that Bumble should get another chance now against Donegal, he'd be disappointed if he didn't. We don't need to win this by 5 or 6, if Kerry could manage a 2-3 point win over Galway we would only need the same. There's a slim chance we could make the final but I doubt if there are too many bothered to be honest. Cant see it doing us much good. Like the Galway and Tyrone games, I'd be more interested in a good performance.
What county do you think we are from sideline? to be talking about turning up our noses at a national league title is laughable from a county like ours! And just to remind us, we got beat by kerry, we got beat by Tyrone, we drew with galway.... where are the improvements from this time last year? As i told you before Sideline........ stick to reality!
I don't think its a case of turninour noses up at a National leage final, more to do with keeping out eyes on the prize (ulster) and not getting distracted, it did us no good last year.
So, will we send the neighbours to division 2?
Was reading in the Gaelic Life this week that Tyrone can get relegated if The get beat in Ballina, id Derry are beat by Donegal and Westmeath are beat by 12 or more points... The above is all very possible and stranger things have happened...
Lynch back for Derry
Derry's Mark Lynch
08 April 2009
Mark Lynch has recovered from a shoulder injury and could make his first appearance of the 2009 NFL against Donegal this weekend.
The young Oak Leaf attacker has been out of action since undergoing a shoulder operation in November and proved his match fitness by lining out for his club Banagher in a league fixture last weekend.
He is now available for selection for the Easter Sunday derby against relegation-threatened Donegal.
Holders Derry, who are still in with a slender chance of reaching the final, can also call on Enda Lynn, who missed the last two rounds. But Niall McCusker and Fergal Doherty remain sidelined.
Manager Damien Cassidy is thrilled by Lynch's return: "Mark came through the [club] match without any problem and it's very good news that he's available to us again.
"As well as the quality which Mark brings to the side, his return increases the competition for places in the starting 15.
"Mark has been doing light training with us since we started back in January, and he began doing full contact work about three weeks ago.
"So we have no worries about his recovery from his shoulder problem [or] his level of fitness."
Did Lynch play against Castledawson last weekend ?
Quote from: Katchit on April 08, 2009, 04:13:34 PM
Did Lynch play against Castledawson last weekend ?
Yes