I have been a reader of this board for a great number of years. I have seen many members come and go. Some great posters have been lost. It has struck me recently that when someone does something wrong during a game the abuse hurled at these people is enormous. In the heat of battle I can understand this; however this abuse on the board has become a disgrace. Most people do not know the people being abused. Can we really comment on someone we have never met someone whom we only know through what we have seen on our TV screens? I know some of the people who have be named on this board over the last 12 months, many did wrong on the field of play but they are people who I know to be decent people who do a lot for their communities. Are the amateur people who bring us joy and pleasure through our games fair game on a discussion board if they do wrong in the field of play? I am not on about constructive discussion. I mean anonymous abuse.
Well then f**k off you **** ;) ( obvious reply but someone was going to do it)
No harm intended, of course.
Clearly abusing anyone as an anonymous poster on a discussion board is not on but I think it is fair and reasonable to criticize someone's behaviour on a GAA field if that's warranted. The people who post here are generally passionate about the GAA and sometimes opinions can veer towards unacceptable vitriol but I don't think we want a sanitized board either. Players are in the public eye and if they do something on the field of play that provokes debate then the line will probably be crossed by some posters but I think we police that well enough here and most posters will point out if someone has gone overboard. You're right though and anyone who posts here has a responsibility to try and keep their posts on the right side of decency, I know I've done some things on the pitch which I wouldn't like to admit to, so I try not to cast too many stones.
Agree totally with the above post. Was sickened by the personal attacks on Ryan McMenamin this past few weeks which were way over the top in my opinion. Some of the comments about O'Mahony last year also crossed a line from what I remember.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 06:49:21 PM
Agree totally with the above post. Was sickened by the personal attacks on Ryan McMenamin this past few weeks which were way over the top in my opinion. Some of the comments about O'Mahony last year also crossed a line from what I remember.
To be fair, apart from doire na raithe's comment, everything else I have read has been grand. Would the comments be any different if you were chatting to people all over the country in a pub ?
Im not sure what comments you were reading but in my opinion no player on here should be called a tr**p,cu-t,gypsy etc. Those terms were used by numerous posters.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
Im not sure what comments you were reading but in my opinion no player on here should be called a tr**p,c*-t,gypsy etc. Those terms were used by numerous posters.
LIke I said elsewhere, if you act the maggot you can't complain when folk call you a maggot.
Agree totally, critisism is one thing but personal abuse should not be acceptable
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 24, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
Im not sure what comments you were reading but in my opinion no player on here should be called a tr**p,c*-t,gypsy etc. Those terms were used by numerous posters.
LIke I said elsewhere, if you act the maggot you can't complain when folk call you a maggot.
So your happy for those terms to be used here to describe a gaa player?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 24, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
Im not sure what comments you were reading but in my opinion no player on here should be called a tr**p,c*-t,gypsy etc. Those terms were used by numerous posters.
LIke I said elsewhere, if you act the maggot you can't complain when folk call you a maggot.
So your happy for those terms to be used here to describe a gaa player?
Happy isn't the word I would use. Armagh men have been called the same and worse and I accepted it.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 24, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
Im not sure what comments you were reading but in my opinion no player on here should be called a tr**p,c*-t,gypsy etc. Those terms were used by numerous posters.
LIke I said elsewhere, if you act the maggot you can't complain when folk call you a maggot.
So your happy for those terms to be used here to describe a gaa player?
If he's acting like one...
Just because something happens on a football field doesn't mean that we should suspend all normal judgement or the law.
It's now legal for one man to grab another man's private parts but you have to have his consent before you do it and it must be in private. That's the law and it applies on football fields as well as in public houses and on the streets.
I am in no way condoning McMenamins actions but I think a lot of people have made a meal out of the whole incident. It could hardly be considered as an assault as there was minimal if any contact.
There is an element of Down support who seem to attend games to hurl abuse at Jack Lynch and at times a few others. I wish these people would either shut up or stay at home. Most of them didn't even do P.E. at school never mind play inter-county football, but they feel they are entitle to abuse players who they feel aren't up to scratch.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 24, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 06:49:21 PM
Agree totally with the above post. Was sickened by the personal attacks on Ryan McMenamin this past few weeks which were way over the top in my opinion. Some of the comments about O'Mahony last year also crossed a line from what I remember.
To be fair, apart from doire na raithe's comment, everything else I have read has been grand. Would the comments be any different if you were chatting to people all over the country in a pub ?
And he is a student at Queen's University!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2009, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 24, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
Im not sure what comments you were reading but in my opinion no player on here should be called a tr**p,c*-t,gypsy etc. Those terms were used by numerous posters.
LIke I said elsewhere, if you act the maggot you can't complain when folk call you a maggot.
So your happy for those terms to be used here to describe a gaa player?
If he's acting like one...
You didnt just say he acted like one, from what I remember you said something along the lines of he is c--t or a tr**p. Thats making a judgement on a person based on something on the pitch. The terms used were unacceptable and over the top imo. Also as I pointed you's were on about the example he was setting for younger people but felt it was ok to use terms like the one's mentioned.
Ok TD, he was a very naughty boy.
To be fair a lot of people have used the Ricey/Galvin incident as an excuse to get a few ott personal insults in. I wish these people would stop the slabbering, the Tyrone people & Ricey just accepted the punishment which ffs is fair, (maybe a tad excessive for the actual groping but makes up for all the stuff he gets away with) and just got on with things
As I don't know him, I have no idea what McMenamin is really like off the field. According to some of the Donegal players (I remember Cassidy in particular speaking about him at one stage a while back) he's a thoroughly decent lad personally and I am sure that is accurate. However, he's a p***k on the field. Class footballer, but a hateful wee bollocks during the game.
Personally I agree with Tyrone Dreamer, that some of the comments have been totally inappropriate, as others have said criticism is one thing but personal abuse should not be acceptable. Also Ardmhachaabu I am a Tyrone man I think is wrong that these bitter personal attacks are spewed out against players from any county. These people are amateurs and most of the time they provide us with great pleasure and pride.
I would imagine that when most GAA people refer to players as a tr**p they are referring to their actions on the field and not their personal life where they may or may not be model citizens who live in bus shelters...
My God - do we need another new thread on this topic???
what about the "perv**t" comment that one poster has been wheeling out constantly the last 10 days?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryan_McMenamin&oldid=271821363
was sent this link at work :o
Tyrone Dreamer will go balistic!!
that's at least the 3rd time it's been posted on here - the link even came from a previous thread on here
Theres several guys who crossed the line just like Mc Menmin did but at least he dosent hide behind big anonymous names like Pintoguinness or Mickeysheeye. I know this is a free message board and debate should be encouraged, but In order to keep the standards at a decent level, today I am calling for the mods to act. Give these guys a good week long ban for bringing the GAA board into disrepute by going below the belt with a few comments. Do those guys no harm and might keep the board above Hogan stand levels.
Some of the posts on this board are not far short of the comments on that link. However my specific issue is that in the coming weeks some other player from whatever county will be ripped apart on this board in a similar abusive manner. Remember that these people have families who are also hurt by this venom.
Quote from: Sandino on February 25, 2009, 02:49:55 PM
Some of the posts on this board are not far short of the comments on that link. However my specific issue is that in the coming weeks some other player from whatever county will be ripped apart on this board in a similar abusive manner. Remember that these people have families who are also hurt by this venom.
True, which is why anything about them personally should not be allowed to be posted.
However, with regards to actions on the field, these players know they are in the public eye, not least the Tyrone team as AI champions, so perhaps McMeniman should think about his family. It was McMeniman's own actions that has caused this, and not for the first time. He is known for his actions on the field and anyone big enough to do this should be big enough to take the flack. Personally I think he would find this great reading, I don't think it would bother him one bit!
Quote from: Sandino on February 25, 2009, 11:30:22 AM
Personally I agree with Tyrone Dreamer, that some of the comments have been totally inappropriate, as others have said criticism is one thing but personal abuse should not be acceptable. Also Ardmhachaabu I am a Tyrone man I think is wrong that these bitter personal attacks are spewed out against players from any county. These people are amateurs and most of the time they provide us with great pleasure and pride.
Sandino, thanks for the courteous reply. It's not because he's a Tyronie that I object to his behaviour or him appealing the ban, not at all. It's because of his behaviour and nothing more. Some have alluded to the Armagh v Laois goings on, I didn't get a chance to get to the match so didn't see anything for myself. I have since learned that a certain Armagh player was extremely out of order and I tell you what too, I wish the incident had been in front of the cameras too coz then he would be facing severe disciplinary measures and rightly so. I would say the same no matter who it is or who they play for. Incidents like the one I mentioned and monobrow's many incidents (in that particular match!) boil my blood as a Gael and they have no place in our games!
Seriously, if you were out in the pub talking about the same man he would get called a lot worse (unless it's a pub in Tyrone)
Where was this indignation last year when paul Galvin was being pillioried ?
biggest bunch of f**kin hypocrites, thats what you lads are.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 25, 2009, 06:52:30 PM
Where was this indignation last year when paul Galvin was being pillioried ?
biggest bunch of f**kin hypocrites, thats what you lads are.
He wasn't accused of being a pervert or having commited sexual assault ::)
I think personally that Galvin got off very lightly for his cruelty to animals when he attacked that wasp that was hovering menacingly over Paddy Russell.
Hes lucky he didnt have PETA on his tail.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 25, 2009, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: Sandino on February 25, 2009, 11:30:22 AM
Personally I agree with Tyrone Dreamer, that some of the comments have been totally inappropriate, as others have said criticism is one thing but personal abuse should not be acceptable. Also Ardmhachaabu I am a Tyrone man I think is wrong that these bitter personal attacks are spewed out against players from any county. These people are amateurs and most of the time they provide us with great pleasure and pride.
Sandino, thanks for the courteous reply. It's not because he's a Tyronie that I object to his behaviour or him appealing the ban, not at all. It's because of his behaviour and nothing more. Some have alluded to the Armagh v Laois goings on, I didn't get a chance to get to the match so didn't see anything for myself. I have since learned that a certain Armagh player was extremely out of order and I tell you what too, I wish the incident had been in front of the cameras too coz then he would be facing severe disciplinary measures and rightly so. I would say the same no matter who it is or who they play for. Incidents like the one I mentioned and monobrow's many incidents (in that particular match!) boil my blood as a Gael and they have no place in our games!
Seriously, if you were out in the pub talking about the same man he would get called a lot worse (unless it's a pub in Tyrone)
Well said.
Had to laugh at the lad informing us of the latest version of the telephone numbers rumour hot from the pubs of Tralee.
Can't believe 'Heffo' had the balls to come back and defend his ridiculous first version of the same rumour as well. Didn't we make an eejit out of him the last time as the player with the amazing phone directory was wearing gloves? As indeed he was vs. Kerry, special gloves for enhanced ball-handling I believe they were.
I predict Joyce to be put off his game on March 7th by a Tyrone player revealing the true JFK assassin on his hand, complete with special see-through gloves of course. It's going to be awful, Joyce is a massive fan of JFK.
Quote from: Sandino on February 24, 2009, 05:19:33 PM
I have been a reader of this board for a great number of years. I have seen many members come and go. Some great posters have been lost. It has struck me recently that when someone does something wrong during a game the abuse hurled at these people is enormous. In the heat of battle I can understand this; however this abuse on the board has become a disgrace. Most people do not know the people being abused. Can we really comment on someone we have never met someone whom we only know through what we have seen on our TV screens? I know some of the people who have be named on this board over the last 12 months, many did wrong on the field of play but they are people who I know to be decent people who do a lot for their communities. Are the amateur people who bring us joy and pleasure through our games fair game on a discussion board if they do wrong in the field of play? I am not on about constructive discussion. I mean anonymous abuse.
Although I agree 100%, you'll find that those threads are populated with posters who are more interested in gossip than football (the 'bundle a oul women') and after a while you'll find the posters you'd normally take the bother to read don't go near it.
Good move from the Mods.
Spot on O'Neill. A good call by the mods a thread on a football match goes to 65 pages with little chat about football towards the end. Also Ard. I agree with the remark about what is said in a bar, however there were 17,000 odds vews of the afore mentioned thread. I meant this to be about the general issue of abusing our GAA stars. Mods feel free to lock this one as well. No problems.
you can do that yourself fella
How do I do that Gabriel, I'm very much a newbie!