Getting near that time of year again.
Bankers?
Imperious as he has seemed this season I think Binocular is well worth opposing at odds of 5/4 - cheltenham is a different beast to other courses and he was outbattled last year in the Triumph. I'll be having a wallop at Celestial Halo (EW) at 12's.
Ebiziayan form W Mullins stable could be the boyo. Kasbah Bliss for the World Hurdle (even though I followed him for the guts of 2 yrs without a win and missed him when he won twice in succession).
I'm going on whoever T O'Hare picks
Quote from: the green man on January 21, 2009, 02:00:25 PM
I'm going on whoever T O'Hare picks
Does he have a good record?
Quote from: bennydorano on January 21, 2009, 01:56:39 PM
Getting near that time of year again.
Bankers?
Imperious as he has seemed this season I think Binocular is well worth opposing at odds of 5/4 - cheltenham is a different beast to other courses and he was outbattled last year in the Triumph. I'll be having a wallop at Celestial Halo (EW) at 12's.
Ebiziayan form W Mullins stable could be the boyo. Kasbah Bliss for the World Hurdle (even though I followed him for the guts of 2 yrs without a win and missed him when he won twice in succession).
Benny, IMO you should consider laying Binocular as well if you fancy him to be beaten, though I'd wait in anticipation that his price will shorten the nearer we get to Cheltenham and the longer he's still in the race. Can't make up my mind about him myself. He's looked untouchable on his last few runs, but it's true that Cheltenham is a much different test and the Champion Hurdle has found out many talking horses. But Ascot is a fair stamina test too, with a stiff uphill finish and he did pretty well there. I think I'll keep the hand in the pocket for that one.
the fact that mccoy is on binocular puts me off him a little
yes he's one of the best jockeys ever but his cheltenham record is poor and time and time again i hav been left cursing him over the years as another big festival favourite loses
too early for any bets yet tho
I had a big Denman & Master Minded double last year - probably go big on the same again - but odds wont be nearly as good!
I wouldn't be going ante-post into Denman just yet, he's had plenty of bother (back or breathing??) Think his reappearance is the AON chase at Newbury in Feb.
Did i hear right at the weekend (was watching racing in the pub) that they've entered him for the Grand National?
Yep - he's the favourite.
He looks the sort that would love the English National(good man Ted).
I've been nibbling away at Kauto Star ante post for a couple of months now at odd ranging from 5/1 - 11/4.
Agree with everything said about Binocular, will be my banker at Aintree though should he run, course will suit better IMO. However there is no doubting his talent. Katchit is a huge price still at 12/1.
My banker (subject to change) is Diamond Harry in the Ballymore.
I like Imperial Commander should he go the Ryaniar Chase route instead of Gold Cup (10/1).
Shame Master Minded is such a short price....!
Other than that too early for me to look at anything else
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 21, 2009, 02:02:02 PM
Quote from: the green man on January 21, 2009, 02:00:25 PM
I'm going on whoever T O'Hare picks
Does he have a good record?
I won the fantasy cheltenham competition on the board last year!!! It was a bit of craic.. I hope its on again to i have a chance to retain my title!!!!! ;D
Quote from: bennydorano on January 21, 2009, 02:46:54 PM
I wouldn't be going ante-post into Denman just yet, he's had plenty of bother (back or breathing??) Think his reappearance is the AON chase at Newbury in Feb.
I hope he's ok, would love to see a re-match with both horses in full health.
Quote from: Treasurer on January 21, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 21, 2009, 02:46:54 PM
I wouldn't be going ante-post into Denman just yet, he's had plenty of bother (back or breathing??) Think his reappearance is the AON chase at Newbury in Feb.
I hope he's ok, would love to see a re-match with both horses in full health.
Denman had breathing problems but icholls has reported him to be back to full health, he had his first proper schooling session with Ruby on board in the last week or so...
Quote"He had a school with Ruby and it was fine - there were no problems at all," said trainer Paul Nicholls.
"He was absolutely perfect, I was pleased with him and Ruby was pleased with him. We couldn't have been happier with him.
"Now we are all set for Newbury. That will be the acid test. We are happy with him at home, but he has got to perform on the track. But he is getting close to a run."
Its all systems go for Newbury now, though Nicholls has handed him an entry in the Hennessy Gold Cup at Leopardstown the day after in case Newbury falls foul of the weather... Nicholls has also entered Neptune Collonges and Star de Mohaison for that one...
If back to full health I cannot see Kauto getting anywhere near Denman, french bred horses typically peak younger and I think if it came down to a straight out battle between the two kauto would crumble...
Gonna wait til after Newbury before doing any bets on this race...
Though I have War of Attrition for a bit on Betfair at 80/1 I think... Was hopeful at the start of the season after it racked up two wins (albeit not against much) but since losing to Noland and Exotic Dancer I have all but given up hope on this one....
Also appropriate that this is the Cheltenham thread, Inglis Drever has been officially retired today, a great horse, winner of three Stayers Hurdles at the festival...
Was last seen pulling up injured in the Long Distance Hurdle at Newbury in November
Won 17 from 35 career starts... As wel as the three stayers hurdles, also won the Cleeve Hurdle, Kingwell Hurdle, Haydock Champion Hurdle Trial and the BHA Order Of Merit
Unbelievable horse, always seemed to pull more out of the bag when it needed, saved me at ast years festival, I was having a bad run, then lumped on him, saved myself and had another couple of winners...
The race that I am looking forward to the most from the week is the Champion Hurdle...
As impressed i have been so far with Binoular, and nobody can deny it has been imperial this season so far and Aintree last year, I think I am going to oppose it... I just think that it will find it hard to exert its super speed on the Cheltenham hills! Though I could be proved wrong...
I am going to go for Sublimity each way in the race, two years ago this horse was one of the easiest champion hurdle winners I have ever seen, absolutely cruised home... I felt the old trainer last year made mistakes, he kept the horse wrapped up in cotton wool all season pulling him out of races and he didnt look fit enough when he went but still did ok to finish fourth...
This year under new trainer Robbie Hennessy, has been a different story, on his first run of the season he was just pipped by Punjabi when he hit the front too soon... Then he showed he was back to top form when winning the Grade One Christmas Hurdle at Leopardstown, beating the likes of Brave Inca, Sizing Europe, Muirhead, Won in the dark...
The horse has a serious turn of foot when needed and can sustain it well...
I think the 12/1 available for this is far too big and offers great each way value, I have also took a couple of win bets on him but will go each way with the rest I think...
This sunday will be some race, will certainly test his credentials, a win here could see the Cheltenam price drastically chopped...
3/1 second fave for sunday at the minute
Just a heads up to anyone thinking about backing Aran Concerto for te RSA Chase:
Aran Concerto, second favourite with some bookmakers for the RSA Chase at Cheltenham, is set to miss the Festival showpiece.
Noel Meade's charge made an impressive start to his chasing career at Navan but a setback after that means connections are running out of time to get him ready for tthe Grade One contest.
"He's just back in work again now. After he won his novice chase, he was supposed to run in the Drinmore Novices Chase at Fairyhouse in early December and he actually damaged the front of his stifle one morning so he had to rest until after Christmas," the trainer told sportinglife.com.
"I don't think he'll actually make Cheltenham this season. I think we'll probably concentrate on the home prizes in Fairyhouse and Punchestown and I would hope that he could run in the Powers Gold Cup at Fairyhouse."
Meade was encouraged by his star's chasing debut and hopes he can continue to climb the ladder.
"He was deeply impressive at Navan and is a very good horse but who knows whether he'll get back up to the ability that he had before?
"At Navan he wasn't stretched but he didn't have to beat much. He'll have to do better again but hopefully he will."
the champion hurdle should be a cracker alrite, cant see binocular get beat however too much class for the rest of the field in my opinion. looking forward to the triumph hurdle..anyone have a verdict on this race? Tharawaat of gordon elliott is my shout for it, would ignore his last two runs and he should be nice and fresh for cheltenham!! poor old denman looks a shadow of his former self also...will be interesting to see how he fares in the gold cup after what nicholls said..
For the antepost fans, Bet365 are NRNB on all races from today :)
Quote from: Homer on February 19, 2009, 10:40:31 AM
For the antepost fans, Bet365 are NRNB on all races from today :)
Be interesting to see what they do with their prices though
I remember Betfred starting this concession very early last year, though they cut their prices at the same time, thus eliminating most value...
Think I will still wait, a lot can happen in the next few weeks...
Well lads getting close to the festival now! Really looking forward to it. I done a good treble on Master Minded, Binocular and kasbiah Bliss. I think they will all win.
I also like the look of Kelakhai King(sp) and hope to have a good bet on both cousin vinney and hurricane fly once their paths are decided.
Anyone else any fancies?
Whats a banker?
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 04:57:05 PM
Whats a banker?
Person on Deal or no Deal who offers you money
That would be the banker.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
That would be the banker.
Apologies...
A banker then, I presume, would be someone who works in
a bank...
Italics are fun
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 23, 2009, 04:56:16 PM
Well lads getting close to the festival now! Really looking forward to it. I done a good treble on Master Minded, Binocular and kasbiah Bliss. I think they will all win.
I also like the look of Kelakhai King(sp) and hope to have a good bet on both cousin vinney and hurricane fly once their paths are decided.
Anyone else any fancies?
Been talking up Kauto Star all season myself so I'll probably go for him. Kasbhah Bliss looked very impressive on his return to hurdle but Punchestowns shouldn't be discounted. Might have a wee each way flutter on Lough Derg - how many times has he been raced this season?! Some decent results too.
Punjabi e/w might be my bet for the Champion Hurdle, ONL has done enough to put me off Binocular. Wouldn't bet big enough sums to even think about Master Minded but he'll be a great watch.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 23, 2009, 06:23:26 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 23, 2009, 04:56:16 PM
Well lads getting close to the festival now! Really looking forward to it. I done a good treble on Master Minded, Binocular and kasbiah Bliss. I think they will all win.
I also like the look of Kelakhai King(sp) and hope to have a good bet on both cousin vinney and hurricane fly once their paths are decided.
Anyone else any fancies?
Been talking up Kauto Star all season myself so I'll probably go for him. Kasbhah Bliss looked very impressive on his return to hurdle but Punchestowns shouldn't be discounted. Might have a wee each way flutter on Lough Derg - how many times has he been raced this season?! Some decent results too.
Punjabi e/w might be my bet for the Champion Hurdle, ONL has done enough to put me off Binocular. Wouldn't bet big enough sums to even think about Master Minded but he'll be a great watch.
Lough Derg has been heavily campaigned this season, running eight times already... He raced eleven times the year before as well...
But this doesn't seem to stop the gutsy horse... I don't think it is up to scratch yet to win a championship race... But I love this horse, won me a good few quid last year and this... Always gives you some value for money...
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 23, 2009, 04:56:16 PM
Well lads getting close to the festival now! Really looking forward to it. I done a good treble on Master Minded, Binocular and kasbiah Bliss. I think they will all win.
I also like the look of Kelakhai King(sp) and hope to have a good bet on both cousin vinney and hurricane fly once their paths are decided.
Anyone else any fancies?
Kalahari King I like a well for the arkle... Backed it a couple of times this year... Nicholls horses are all trading way below what they should be, just suffering like every horse he has does with their price being lower than it should be...
Another couple of horses ruled out of Cheltenham:
Pandorama - Meade keeping it for a novice chasing campaig next year (This was the first banker of the year after its first couple of runs before getting beat by Mikael d'Haguenet)
Trafford Lad - Skipping the festival for Fairyhouse at Easter
Also it is rumoured Mullins is going to let us know before Wednesday what the craic is with Hurricane Fly, though I doubt he will let us know what the race targets are for his main three until closer to the week...
PPS - Hurricane Fly's form was boosted there yesterday with Go Native winning at Naas, beating Zaarito amongst others, after it trailed HF by ten lengths round xmas... Some animal...
TAC I wouldn't waste your money on Punjabi, a horse I thought was going to make it, but it's been shocking lately (Cert now to win at 20's!)
Still going to oppose Binocular with Celestial Halo (who beat him in the triumph last year).
Going to have a go at Neptune Collognes as well.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 23, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
TAC I wouldn't waste your money on Punjabi, a horse I thought was going to make it, but it's been shocking lately (Cert now to win at 20's!)
Still going to oppose Binocular with Celestial Halo (who beat him in the triumph last year).
Going to have a go at Neptune Collognes as well.
Celestial Halo is crying out for more than two miles... I read somewhere the last day that it won, from the last flight to the line it took a half a second more than the juvenile hurdle the same day and a whole second than the staying hurdle... A champion hurdle contender would need to be beating these other times out the park...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 23, 2009, 06:21:02 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
That would be the banker.
Apologies...
A banker then, I presume, would be someone who works in a bank...
Italics are fun
How about a rhetorical question then.
Whats a w**ker?
Anyways, Im going to put the heap on Desert Orchid myself.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 23, 2009, 06:21:02 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
That would be the banker.
Apologies...
A banker then, I presume, would be someone who works in a bank...
Italics are fun
How about a rhetorical question then.
Whats a w**ker?
Anyways, Im going to put the heap on Desert Orchid myself.
Ah come on Puck you know I was only yanking your chain...
What race is Desert going for then?? Is that your tip??
Ok I am going to go out on a limb here with a prediction...
SHINROCK PADDY to win the Champion Bumper... Trained by Paul Nolan and as big as 12/1 with Boyles, WillHill, SkyBet and BlueSquare, definitely worth an each way crack at that price...
Won its only point to point by a distance, that was the end of last March... Then won its next run out in the bumper at Gowran...
The clincher for me though was its next run at Cheltenham in November when it beat the likes of Express Leader and Lindeman out the park, won by eight lengths that day... Was up against a very good field that day with nine of the twelve having won previous and the other three runners up before...
Course form is always important but possibly nowhere more so than the undulating unforgiving track of Cheltenham...
Oh yeah, and his owner rides him!
ONL - Of course I know.
Desert Orchid won me money on the national when I was a nipper. He was grey wasnt he?
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 07:30:54 PM
ONL - Of course I know.
Desert Orchid won me money on the national when I was a nipper. He was grey wasnt he?
Was before my time but from old videos an all, yeah he was a grey horse... My uncle loved him as well, must have been a money spinner for all you guys of the older generation!! ;)
Great deal for punters in the Parador on the Ormeau Rd, Belfast.
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Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 07:30:54 PM
ONL - Of course I know.
Desert Orchid won me money on the national when I was a nipper. He was grey wasnt he?
Don't think he ever ran in the National. Won the Gold Cup once and the King George several times.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 23, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 07:30:54 PM
ONL - Of course I know.
Desert Orchid won me money on the national when I was a nipper. He was grey wasnt he?
Don't think he ever ran in the National. Won the Gold Cup once and the King George several times.
Maybe he meant the Irish National?? won this in 1990...
No idea never kicked a ball.
When we were you nger we got to pick a horse for both grand nationals from the paper.
The old man then put a pound or 50p each way on it depending on the price.
Id always thought that Desert Orchid ran in the English grand national until today.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 23, 2009, 10:05:01 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 23, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 07:30:54 PM
ONL - Of course I know.
Desert Orchid won me money on the national when I was a nipper. He was grey wasnt he?
Don't think he ever ran in the National. Won the Gold Cup once and the King George several times.
Maybe he meant the Irish National?? won this in 1990...
Maybe Our Nail Loney. He nearly came a cropper at the last when well clear if I remember correctly. Don't think he was much of a price though.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 23, 2009, 10:34:25 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 23, 2009, 10:05:01 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 23, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2009, 07:30:54 PM
ONL - Of course I know.
Desert Orchid won me money on the national when I was a nipper. He was grey wasnt he?
Don't think he ever ran in the National. Won the Gold Cup once and the King George several times.
Maybe he meant the Irish National?? won this in 1990...
Maybe Our Nail Loney. He nearly came a cropper at the last when well clear if I remember correctly. Don't think he was much of a price though.
Evens acording to wikipedia... Racing Post website is down at the minute so can't check there...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 23, 2009, 07:28:43 PM
Ok I am going to go out on a limb here with a prediction...
SHINROCK PADDY to win the Champion Bumper... Trained by Paul Nolan and as big as 12/1 with Boyles, WillHill, SkyBet and BlueSquare, definitely worth an each way crack at that price...
Won its only point to point by a distance, that was the end of last March... Then won its next run out in the bumper at Gowran...
The clincher for me though was its next run at Cheltenham in November when it beat the likes of Express Leader and Lindeman out the park, won by eight lengths that day... Was up against a very good field that day with nine of the twelve having won previous and the other three runners up before...
Course form is always important but possibly nowhere more so than the undulating unforgiving track of Cheltenham...
Oh yeah, and his owner rides him!
Read a great article on its owner and rider Barry Connell in tribune or times on Sunday but cant find it on line, found this article on him from months back though,
http://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing/last-of-the-corinthians-1530097.html
Bit of a madman in my opinion
Fancy Wave Power for the Champion Bumper myself
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 23, 2009, 08:44:38 PM
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Anyone any solution to following Cheltenham in work? All the gambling sites are banned in here? Will it be on any radio station in Dublin? I could only get the Friday off. Is there any website which provides text commentary which wouldnt be banned in work?
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 24, 2009, 04:09:38 PM
Anyone any solution to following Cheltenham in work? All the gambling sites are banned in here? Will it be on any radio station in Dublin? I could only get the Friday off. Is there any website which provides text commentary which wouldnt be banned in work?
BBC Sport?
I will be able to follow it in work handy enough I think...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 24, 2009, 04:58:42 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 24, 2009, 04:09:38 PM
Anyone any solution to following Cheltenham in work? All the gambling sites are banned in here? Will it be on any radio station in Dublin? I could only get the Friday off. Is there any website which provides text commentary which wouldnt be banned in work?
BBC Sport?
I will be able to follow it in work handy enough I think...
:D
Sorry Mickey...
SUPREME Novices' Hurdle favourite Hurricane Fly will miss the Cheltenham Festival, trainer Willie Mullins confirmed on Tuesday.
The French import, successful in four of his five starts over hurdles since coming to Ireland, was quoted at 4-1 'with a run' by William Hill, new sponsors of the Supreme Novices Hurdle.
The dual Grade 1 winning hurdler was withdrawn from the recent Grade 1 Deloitte Hurdle when he was found to be lame on the eve of the race. Mullins admitted he had run out of time to get the five-year-old back to full fitness from his recent splint problem.
"We've decided not to train him for Cheltenham as he has not made the improvement we had hoped for," said Mullins on Tuesday afternoon.
"We're going to concentrate on Punchestown with him and while it's disappointing, the upside is that it will come right as it just needs time."
Mullins still has Cousin Vinny at the head of the market for the Festival opener along with Mikael D'Haguenet and Kempes.
"Kempes will probably now run in the Supreme Novices' Hurdle but I haven't made any firmplans for the other horses yet.
"It's bad luck with Hurricane Fly but that is the way it works and worse things have happened."
St Josephs GFC, Dromiskin, Co Louth (just off the M1) is holding a Cheltenham preview night on Thursday 5th March
The trainer all the bookies fear, Tony Martin. Esteemed racing journalist of the Sunday Times, Newstalk & Irish Field, Donn Mc Clean. Local bookmaker and shrewd punter, Peter Mc Grane. These and other guests will be giving their insight into the Cheltenham festival action. Cheltenham preview nights are always an entertaining evening and with superb guests such as those above, this one should prove to be no different!
Tickets are €20 and are going fast as numbers are limited, so don't hesitate, if you have any interest in this event or want tickets send me a PM.
http://www.thejoesgfc.com/clubhouse.php
The Coral Cup....Quite like "Gee Dee Nen". Jim Best trained, awas placed second on his seasonal re-appearance beaten by Honest John at Catterick over 3 mile 2. Won next time out at Ludlow under McCoy in a 3 miler which suggests that 3 mile 2 was maybe too testing. The Coral Cup is a 2 mile 5 race though he stayed on very well at Ludlow and should see out this trip. Currently trading around 14/1 with hills, coral & VC
I'm very much a stats man, especially for the big races. Here's an interesting analysis of the stats for the Champion Chase, from a blog I subscribe to (Geegez.co.uk) - the point about a possible fall is particularly relevant since the margin for error in the sprint of steeplechasing over those fences is so tiny:
Master Minded goes to Cheltenham on the second Wednesday in March as the boiling hot favourite. Is there anything to beat him? Or is this a lap of honour for the returning king? On all known form, he's a cert (bar a fall). What do the trends tell us? There are 19 entered, most of whom won't run...
- The last ten winners had previously won that season. Strike through eight, including Twist Magic and unraced Well Chief
- 9 out of the last 11 winners were aged 6 to 10. (The two who weren't were Moscow Flyer, 11, and Master Minded himself, 5). Bye bye Ashley Brook and previous winner Newmill (who had failed the first stat too).
- 10 of the last 11 winners had won a Grade 1 or 2 chase in the Festival winning season.
That leaves just four: Master Minded, Big Zeb, Scotsirish, and Voy Por Ustedes. Voy Por is headed for the Ryanair Chase (openly swerving the Master), which leaves three. Indeed, both Scotsirish and Big Zeb are also entered in the Ryanair, but are more likely to run in this event.
Although Master Minded is far and away the most likely winner, it is worth bearing in mind the following:
2007 Well Chief, Fell, Evens favourite
2006 Kauto Star, Fell, 2/1 favourite
2004 Moscow Flyer, Unseated rider, 5/6 favourite
Brilliant horses, who seemingly only needed to jump round to win, failed to do that. Personally, I hope Master Minded completes and wins in the style of the wonder horse he clearly is. He's still just a SIX year old!
But something has to finish 2nd and 3rd, and we'll get paid on both places, so each way is a pleasure on the two Irish horses, Scotsirish (prefers soft) and Big Zeb (needs to jump well).
Big Zeb (e/w) is a best priced 12/1 with Paddy Power, who are offering a quarter the odds 1-2-3. There might not be eight runners on the day, meaning there might not be three places, and there will almost certainly not be much quarter odds on the place, come the day. So get some of this now.
Scotsirish (e/w) has finished 1st and 3rd in Grade 2 races on his last two runs, but might defect to the Ryanair. Nevertheless, he is a massive price, so a tiny each way tickle at the available 100/1 (quarter odds 1-2-3; if he's a non runner, you'll get your money back) with bet365.
(Me again) Alternatively, the place prices on Betfair are 2.82 for Big Zeb and 22 for Scotsirish. I can't see Scotsirish myself, but the stats are facts.
Sorted out my problem of not being able to hear the races lads. i got the number of a bookmaker down here who gives commentary on the english races. its a dublin number too so wont cost me a complete fortune.
So far I have done the following
Arkle Chase - Kelhari King £25 e/w @ 10/1
Master Minded 2/5, Kesbiah Bliss 11/8 and Binocular 6/4 £50 treble
Garde Champetre4/1 and Cousin Vinney 4/1 £25 e/w double
Ap McCoy top jockey 9/2 £50 win.
One of my favourite horses CATCH ME, is bypassing Cheltenham for Aintree... Was sixth in the Champ hurdle last year and really thought he could give them a go in it again this year in what isn't really a vintage renewal (I base this mainly on that mutt Crack Away Jack being up there in the betting)
Always in a quandary, stuck between the CH and the World Hurdle, hopefully it won't be long before they put in a championship 2m4f race at the festival, if there was Catch Me would have romped home for it...
One to back at Aintree and Punchestown I think.
I am slowly but surely thinking about having a saver bet on Binocular... Have backed Sublimity so far, hope they don't water the track too much...
This time next week we'll either be cheering home the winner of the Supreme Novices or going back to the paper to make amends in the Champion Hurdle.
So lads (and Treasuser) who's your banker and bismarck of the festival?
Quote from: Mickey Linden on February 26, 2009, 03:57:58 PM
Sorted out my problem of not being able to hear the races lads. i got the number of a bookmaker down here who gives commentary on the english races. its a dublin number too so wont cost me a complete fortune.
So far I have done the following
Arkle Chase - Kelhari King £25 e/w @ 10/1
Master Minded 2/5, Kesbiah Bliss 11/8 and Binocular 6/4 £50 treble
Garde Champetre4/1 and Cousin Vinney 4/1 £25 e/w double
Ap McCoy top jockey 9/2 £50 win.
I'm near sure all races are live on RTE radio.
Diamond Harry is my NAP of the week.
Just one last plug!!
Quote from: Louth Exile on February 25, 2009, 03:26:03 PM
St Josephs GFC, Dromiskin, Co Louth (just off the M1) is holding a Cheltenham preview night on Thursday 5th March
The trainer all the bookies fear, Tony Martin. Esteemed racing journalist of the Sunday Times, Newstalk & Irish Field, Donn Mc Clean. Local bookmaker and shrewd punter, Peter Mc Grane. These and other guests will be giving their insight into the Cheltenham festival action. Cheltenham preview nights are always an entertaining evening and with superb guests such as those above, this one should prove to be no different!
Tickets are €20 and are going fast as numbers are limited, so don't hesitate, if you have any interest in this event or want tickets send me a PM.
http://www.thejoesgfc.com/clubhouse.php
How likely is Cousin Vinney to run in the Supreme Novices? I see Mullins still hasnt declared which race he will go for?
whats the big day at cheltenham? or is there one?
The gold cup is the feature race of the festival.. personally my favourite race is the champion hurdle!!!!
Won this last night on Ladbrokes Poker:
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– Complimentary Bar
– €1000 expenses
Unfortunately I have no interest in horsies or fetlocks or anything like that at all, and the package is non-transferrable. Oh well, was free entry anyway.
Jammy bastard.
Anyone got any notes to post as yet from any of the many preview nights that are being held? Need all the help I can get :-[
a few of my ante-post bets for the festival;
Triumph; Tharaawat 33/1 (NAP)
Arkle; I'msingingtheblues 16/1
Cross country; L'ami 5/1
RSA; The Market Man 20/1
still puzzled regarding the gold cup tho!!
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 04, 2009, 02:53:02 PM
How likely is Cousin Vinney to run in the Supreme Novices? I see Mullins still hasnt declared which race he will go for?
I think he will definitely go in the supreme, the main factor was deciding between him and Hurricane Run, now HR is out I think he will keep him in Supreme and maybe put Mikael D'Haguenet in Ballymore...
I know Ruby is riding Kempes in the Supreme...
Patrick Mullins is taking the the ride on Auntie Mary's son Vincent
Personally I think Voy Por Ustedes @ 6/4 is the banker of the festival for the Ryanair Chase, Imperial Commander is the big danger so I have had a small saver on him too.
Quote from: Homer on March 04, 2009, 09:43:28 PM
Patrick Mullins is taking the the ride on Auntie Mary's son Vincent
Personally I think Voy Por Ustedes @ 6/4 is the banker of the festival for the Ryanair Chase, Imperial Commander is the big danger so I have had a small saver on him too.
Agreed. VPU is the best 2.5miler about at the minute, showed his class beating Master Minded at Aintree last year
Love this horse having backed it the two times it won at Cheltenham before, the first time I had £2 on him in the arkle, was back when I first started punting, but I remember the money helped me to a day in renshaws, so this horse will forever be in my debt!!
My ante-posts are:
Arkle - Tatenen €20 6/1
Planet of Sound €10 12/1
Ryanair - Imperial Commander €10 10/1
I'll be opposing Kauto in the Gold Cup, just not sure who with
Supreme Novices Hurdle trends (1997-2008)
- All bar one of the last 11 winners, won last time out (the exception Arcalis 2005 who had came 3rd)
- Irish horses have won 7 out of the last 11
- Each winner has won at least 50% of their races over hurdles - all 11 had raced between 2 - 4 times
- 7 winners emerged from Flat racing however none of whom had tasted graded success
- Only 3 out of 11 winners set off as faves (Brave Inca 04, Back In Front 03, Like-A-Butterfly 02)
- 8 of 11 were aged 5-6
- 3 of the 11 were mares
I really like Cousin Vinny as a horse but I'm afraid he's my bismrack of the festival. IMO his price is a bit short. His jumping is too inconsistent and he tackles the hurdles more like they were a fence. Patrick Mullins has never ran a hurdles race in Cheltenham never mind won one he will really struggle against the experience of Ruby, AP and Thorthon.
I'm going with Michael Flips to take this. McCoy looks set to be on board.
I like Choc Thornton 8/1 to be top jockey, each way 1st three places 1/4 the odds...
Think the 2/1 then for the place is huge, he has some good rides for King who always has his horses flying for the festival and Choc loves it around here...
Champion Hurdle - While Binocular has been the singularly most impressive looking horse of the season, I've a funny feeling there's a touch of the Black Jack Ketchums about him. Irish hurdlers have plundered every prize in England when they've travelled over in recent years, and until this horse comes up against the likes of Brave Inca, Sublimity and Hardy Eustace, we'll not really know what he's made of. Beating the likes of Chomba Womba and Crack Away Jack is not enough to justify such strong Champion Hurdle favouritism... especially when last year's evidence would suggest Cheltenham may not be his track. The one that interests me most here is Harchibald e/w. He will no doubt play his usual silly buggers coming up to line, but Carberry will track Binocular the whole way, and when McCoy presses the button, he's going to have this seriously impressive beast going with him. If Harchi is in a good mood, I'd fancy him to take the honours on that one.
The Champion Chase - Is going to be a pointless affair. If Well Chief can roll back the years, he is the only remnant of a danger to Master Minded. It's a bit like putting Paul Gascoigne in a race with Wayne Rooney though.
World Hurdle - Has a bit of value floating around it due to the odds of the market-leading pair. Mighty Man might be coming back from injury, but has a tremendous record in Grade 1s that Kasbah Bliss and Punchestowns would do well to emulate. Don't bet against him making an Ingles Drever style successful return. Fair Along is another who will give everything to the cause, and will be fighting at the end, even if likely to be a little outclassed.
Gold Cup - The thing to take from Denman's return wasn't that he was beatem, but more that Madison Du Berlais ran a grade 2 field completely and utterly into submission - crushing Denman at his own game. And with Neptune Collonges, Denman and Halcon Generaldais in the mix, this should be a real galloper's Gold Cup, effectively ruling Kauto Star out of proceedings. Madison Du Berlais showed nothing before this season that he was capable of running in this company, but I've a pretty good hunch that this season he'll just run them into the ground.
Of the other races,
RSA - Good sense should tell me to avoid Massini's Maguire, as his habit of hitting the top of every fence will no doubt come under duress during a full-blooded Championship race. Carruthers is a more likely winner, but I'm drawn to the sheer persistence of Hobbs's horse.
Ryanair - Voy Por should be a good thing, but Our vic won't be far away around here.
Champion Hurdle trends (1997-2008)
- Each of the last 11 winners raced within the previous two months - though only 2 winners raced within the last month
- 10 out of 11 won over 2m or 2m1f last time out (Exception Hardy Eustace 2004)
- 10 victors scored in a Grade 1 hurdle or Grade 3 handicap hurdle
- 9 out of 11 had previously won at the Festival
- 10 winners had ran in over 10 hurdle races (Exception Sublimity 07)
- 10 of the 11 winners came from first 6 in the betting (Exception Hardy Eustace 2004 33/1)
Very hard to get away from Binocular very impressive but at 13/8 I will need to wait and see how the going is before taking any plunge.
Istabraaq has defended his the title twice and Hardy Eustace has also done so in 2005 yet shockingly current champion Katchit sits 5th favourite in the market and is available at 16/1 with some firms. Our Nail put it well a few months back ....
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 10, 2008, 02:55:43 PM
Katchit hasnt set the world alight this season, second to snap tie then killed by the weights when losing to chomba womba
Saying that its record at cheltenham is unbelievable, think its last six form at chelt is 111121 inc winning the Champ Hurdle and the Triumph at the festival last two years...
......
Betting: Binocular 6/4, Crack Away Jack 7/2, Katchit 5/1, Chomba Womba 7/1...
As long as Katchit stays over 9/2 I might do it each way and the forecast: Binocular 1st, Katchit 2nd.
edit: Just looking Katchit has some form 11211111/13211-23, 15 runs over hurdles and never out of the top3... what a class wee horse...
Reigning champ, course and festival form and now his age fits the trends even better than last year. Verdict: I'm thinking along the same lines as ONL, small bet e/w on
Katchit and another small reverse forecast with
Binocular.
Arkle Challenge Trophy Chase trends (1997-2008)
- Every winner ran in a novice chase last time
- 9 winners were rested for ~2-3 months before the festival (the two exceptions landed the Kingmaker Novice at Warwick a month previous)
- Winning form in a novice chase over 2m to 2m1f consistent among all winners
- All winners had faced fences a maximum of five times
- 5-7 year olds dominate with only one exception (Moscow Flyer 2002 aged 8 )
- No winners were mares. The last success by a female dates back to 1980
- All 11 winners came from first 5 in betting
- 5 of the victorious 11 were French-bred horses
- Alan King and Paul Nicholls have notched up 2 wins each
Won't be having a bet til nearer the day in this. I am siding with Imsingingtheblues (8/1) for a bit of value who has beaten joint fav Calgrary Bay (5/1) previously, while giving him weight.
I'll try post up a few more trends tomorrow.
I'd normally have a fair few ante posts lined up but very quiet this year! Had Pandorama unfortunately.
I think Air Force One and Ebadiyan are the only ones I have left in.
I never do ante-post betting, i can never make my mind upto the day of the race who to bet!!!! I will have a punt on every race and hopefully will a bit of luck i will be up a few pound... i was fortunate enough to be in company of our poster Mickey Linden when he won £1560 on the first day of the festival a few years back on a yankee!!!!! It will go down in Belfast folkelore( And Mr Renshaw was a happy man for a long while after ;D ;D)
Previews: Europa Belfast
Denis O'Regan's Tips: Red Maloney – Supreme Novices. Free World – Arkle. Muirhead – Champion Hurdle. Cape Tribulation – Ballymore Prop Hurdle. Gone for Lunch – Sun Alliance Chase. Master Minded – Queen Mother. Bellvano – Weatherbys Bumper. Kasbah Bliss – World Hurdle. Starluck – Triumph Hurdle. Exotic Dancer – Gold Cup. Kasbah Bliss – Nap at Meeting. Diamond Harry – Bismarck
Matt Chapman's Tips: Copper Beau – Supreme Novices. Tatenen – Arkle. Binocular – Champion Hurdle. Cape Tribulation – Ballymore Prop Hurdle. Lodge Lane – Sun Alliance Chase. Master Minded – Queen Mother. Rite of Passage – Weatherbys Bumper. Kasbah Bliss – World Hurdle. Zaynar – Triumph Hurdle. Denman – Gold Cup. Kasbah Bliss – Nap at Meeting. Sicilian Secret – Bismarck.
Cornelius Lysaght's Tips: Ainama – Supreme Novices. Planet of Sound – Arkle. Sublimity – Champion Hurdle. Diamond Harry – Ballymore Prop Hurdle. Gone for Lunch – Sun Alliance Chase. Master Minded – Queen Mother. Gagewell Flyer – Weatherbys Bumper. Kasbah Bliss – World Hurdle. Walkon – Triumph Hurdle. Barber Shop – Gold Cup. Quevaga Mares Hurdle – Nap at Meeting. Calgary Bay – Bismark.
Tony Mullins' Tips: Cousin Vinny – Supreme Novices. Maid in Taipan – Arkle. One in the Dark – Champion Hurdle. Cousin Vinny – Ballymore Prop Hurdle. Cooldine – Sun Alliance Chase. Master Minded – Queen Mother. Sicilian Secret – Weatherbys Bumper. Punchestown – World Hurdle. Zaynar – Triumph Hurdle. Kauto Star – Gold Cup. Cousin Vinny – Nap at Meeting. Tidal Bay – Bismark.
Tuesday
Anglo Irish Bank Supreme Novices Hurdle
30 of the last 33 winners were aged 5 or 6.
11 of the last 12 winners won last time out.
9 of the last 16 winners were Irish trained
7 of the last 15 renewals were won by horses with 2 or fewer runs over hurdles.
On breeding currently leaning towards ex-flat horses rather then bumper winners due to ground
Mares have won 3 of the last 12 runnings from 17 runners
Strong advice
> Oppose horses beaten last time out
> Dismiss non French bred 4yos
> Take on novices aged 7 or older
Captain Cee bee - aged 7 - had won last time out, Irish trainef, had only had 2 runs over hurdles, was ex flat - only age stat against him
Binocular FR bred 4yo had won previous race, home trained, ex flat with only 2 runs over hurdles - all stats except irish trained
Irish Independent Arkle Challenge Trophy
Alan King has trained the last 2 winners
French bred horses have won 7 of the last 13 runnings.
19 of the last 20 winners had finished first or second in all completed chase starts.
1 winning favourite since 1992, but 9 of the last 11 winners started 2nd, 3rd or 4th fav. Last 17 winners no bigger than 11-1
Only 1 winner aged over 7 from 64 runners since 1990
Just one front running winner since 1980
7 of the last 8 winners were rated +142 over hurdles (4 of last 7 were top rated hurdler in the field)
5YOs have won 4 of the last 9 renewals from 20% representation
Just one Irish trained winner int he last 10yrs
Strong Advice
> Dismiss horses aged 8 or older
> Disregard front runners
>Over look this with hurdle rating less than 140
> Dismiss horses who failed to finish 1st or 2nd last time out
> Reject Irish trained horses that did not contect the Baileys Arkle Cup
Short List
1-1112 Tidal Bay J Howard Johnson — 7 Highest hurdle rating of shortlist at 149
212121 Kruguyrova C R Egerton — 5- OR 146 over Hurdles, FR Bred but is a front runner. - good e/w price
111/11 Noland P F Nicholls — 7 11-7 151 138 — 5-6 OR 138 Hurdles
The actual result
William Hill Trophy
Only one favourite has won since 1977.
No winner has carried 11 stone or more for ten years.
NO winner rated 150+ for 25years
Horses aged 11+ are 0-26 to place since 1997
No Hennessy Gold cup representative has won since 1991
The last 2 Irish entries have won
Nicky Henderson is 5 from 8 runners to win of place.
Oppose novices on their handicap debut (only 1 inning in 36 yrs unless run in another big handicap)
Last 7 winners have come from off the pace after first circuit
Result
An Accordian carried 10st12, rated below 145, 7yrs old, had not run in Hennessy, Pipe trained, was not novice, was always in front 3,
New Alco carried 11st, rated below 145, 7yo, PU in Hennessy, Murphy trained, not novice, did come from off the pace.
Short List
9 0-6300 L´Ami 45 F Doumen — 9 10-13 145 177 154 0-10 2-12 3RD went of favourite so would have been negatve
Champion Hurdle
21 of the last 24 winners won last time out.
All 73 five-year-olds since 1985 have been beaten.
13 of the last 16 winners had finished 1st or 2nd at the Cheltenham Festival before.
16 of the last 17 winners started in the first 6 in the betting.
Just 3 winners older than 8 since 1951
15 of last 19 winners had winning form at Cheltenham
Irish 7 from last 9
Only 1 Christmas Hurdle winner from 17 runners has won (Straw Bear negative)
No triumph Hurdle or Supreme Novice winners win the next season (Katchit)
Strong Advice
Only consider last time winners
Ignore 5YOs and those aged 9 and above
Ignore winners of previous Christmas, Triumph and Sup Nov Hurdles
Result
Katchit - Had won last time out, big negative for 5yo stat, had won at previous festival, was in first 5 in betting, winning form at chelts, but home trained and big Triumph hurdle stat overturned
Short List
51-F11 Sizing Europe 44 Henry De Bromhead — 6 - did not run at last festival, but has won on course plus Irish positive - unplaced
102-21 Osana 87 D E Pipe — 6 - Finished 10th last festival, has won at Chelts - 2nd
WENT AGAINST STATS
BGC HANDICAP CHASE (CROSS COUNTRY CHASE) (CLASS 2) (5yo+) Winner £ 3m7f GOOD
Horses aged 7 and younger are 1-63 in Chelt X-country races
Last 14 winners had previously experienced X-Cry fences
Irish have had all 3 festival winners and 9-12 win/places
Enda Bolger has won 8 X-Cry's at Chelts
Nicholls has won 1 from 33 runners
Kim Bailey/ Ferdy Murphy runners are worth considering
The Paul Hogan X-C at Punchestown has signoposted last 2 winners & 2nds (Garde Champetre & Heads on the Ground, Never Compromise)
First 5 in the betting are 21 from 24
Essentially pick a well fancied Irish X-C specialist who 8 or older.
Short list
8 29-9F1 Garde Champetre 37 E Bolger — 9 - wonthe Punchestown 3 miles race -WON
13 8P-619 Wonderkid 20 A J Martin 50 8 Has alreadye beaten the above - 6TH
1 -022F2 Heads Onthe Ground 37 E Bolger — He idled on the run in last year and could just get beaten - 9TH
Did anyone else get the Cheltenham guide from Paddypower in the post ?
Quote from: Treasurer on March 05, 2009, 12:19:38 AM
I'd normally have a fair few ante posts lined up but very quiet this year! Had Pandorama unfortunately.
I think Air Force One and Ebadiyan are the only ones I have left in.
"Ebadiyan worked well last time and, the way I have him, nothing will beat him."
Regarding Gold Cup: "The Gold Cup will be run on Saturday this season as I will be celebrating Ebadiyan's win in the paddock well into the night"
Got to love Oliver Brady. I'll be having a small bet too.
Getting excited now.
Well lads not long to go now! Does anyone kno what Muins is going to do? Will Cusin Vinney definitely go in the Supreme? What about Mikeal D'Heurgent?
Also I have been following a Paul Nolan trained horse called Joncol. I think it will ake a top class chaser in the future maybe even a grand national horse. I see it has an entry in the RSA chase but I can find any odds for it anywhere. Does anyone know if it is running?
Finally got the trends for the upcoming Grade 1s typed up might as well put them all in one post...
Supreme Novices Hurdle trends (1997-2008)
- All bar one of the last 11 winners, won last time out (the exception Arcalis 2005 who had came 3rd)
- Irish horses have won 7 out of the last 11
- Each winner has won at least 50% of their races over hurdles - all 11 had raced between 2 - 4 times
- 7 winners emerged from Flat racing however none of whom had tasted graded success
- Only 3 out of 11 winners set off as faves (Brave Inca 04, Back In Front 03, Like-A-Butterfly 02)
- 8 of 11 were aged 5-6
- 3 of the 11 were mares
Arkle Challenge Trophy Chase trends (1997-2008)
- Every winner ran in a novice chase last time
- 9 winners were rested for ~2-3 months before the festival (the two exceptions landed the Kingmaker Novice at Warwick a month previous)
- Winning form in a novice chase over 2m to 2m1f consistent among all winners
- All winners had faced fences a maximum of five times
- 5-7 year olds dominate with only one exception (Moscow Flyer 2002 aged 8 )
- No winners were mares. The last success by a female dates back to 1980
- All 11 winners came from first 5 in betting
- 5 of the victorious 11 were French-bred horses
- Alan King and Paul Nicholls have notched up 2 wins each
Champion Hurdle trends (1997-2008)
- Each of the last 11 winners raced within the previous two months - though only 2 winners raced within the last month
- 10 out of 11 won over 2m or 2m1f last time out (Exception Hardy Eustace 2004)
- 10 victors scored in a Grade 1 hurdle or Grade 3 handicap hurdle
- 9 out of 11 had previously won at the Festival
- 10 winners had ran in over 10 hurdle races (Exception Sublimity 07)
- 10 of the 11 winners came from first 6 in the betting (Exception Hardy Eustace 2004 33/1)
Ballymore Properties Novices' Hurdle trends (1997 - 2008)
- Every winner raced in the past two months (3 arriving via Leopardstown).
- Each making it into first three last time out.
- 10 of the 11 took one of their last two races.
- Last years winner Fiveforthree was only second winner lacking a victory over
- 2m4f or further and having raced just once over timber
- 10 out of 11 victors had no more than five hurdle outings
- 9 had made the frame in a previous graded hurdle event, with 7 winning.
- 10/11 Won at least half of hurdle runs
- 10 of the 11 winners were either five or six-years-old
- Ten winners came from the first five in the betting at 12/1 or shorter
- All 11 had a RP rating higher than 145
Royal SunAlliance Chase trends (1997 - 2008)
- Each winner raced within the last two months mainly in novice chases.
- Last 10 all made the top two last time out (Hanakham 97 came 3rd)
- Last 10 also won earlier in the season
- 7/11 had won previously over 3m or further
- 10/11 had between two to five career outings over fences
- 10/11 winners were between 6-8 years-old. Seven winners were 7 years of age. The exception Star De Mohaison (06) was five
- Only 3 starting faves produced the goods
- Paul Nicholls and Willie Mullins have provided two winners apiece.
Champion Bumper trends (1997 - 2009)
- 9/11 were rested for around two months or more beforehand
- 10/11 finished in the top two last time out, with nine winning
- Every winner had a bumper victory in a big field of 15 runners or more under their belts. Seven won in 20-runner plus fields
- Each winner had no more than four bumper runs
- Each winner was 5 or 6 years of age with 4 year olds providing over 40 losing entries including 10 irish-bred
- Irish handlers have triumphed a total 9 times
- Willie Mullins of course is king here enjoying 5 winners
- The first six in betting has provided 9/11 winners including all of Mullins' successes
Queen Mother Champion Chase trends (1997-2008)
- Last 10 winners were all rested for around two months or more
- 10 winners arrived via Punchestown, Thurles, Kempton, Sandown or Newbury.
- 3 arrived from Newbury's Game Spirit Chase. With two winning the event (Azertyulop '04 and Master Minded '08 while Voy Por Ustedes unseated his rider in '07)
- The Tingle Creek at Sandown also proved a useful pointer with 6 winners having raced in it
- Past Arkle winners should also be respected with Flagship Uberalles '02, Moscow Flyer '03 & '05, Azertyulop '04 and Voy Por Ustedes '07 all adding to their festival tally
- Every winner had scored over 2m1f or further
- Eight landed a Graded chase last time out
- Eight winners also had already enjoyed previous Cheltenham success
- 10/11 winners had faced fences eight times or more
- First six in the betting supplied every winner
- Paul Nicholls boasts 3 winners in this race (Call Equiname '99, Azertyulop '04 and Master Minded '08)
Ryanair Chase trends (2005 - 2008)
The newest addition to the Cheltenham Festival Grade 1 collection and formerly known as The Festival Trophy Grade 2 (2005 -2007) is obviously a bit lacking in past result data but apparently there still are a few trends...
- Achieved an RP Rating of at least 158
- All 4 winners had a top three finish last time out
- Each winner has enjoyed previous success at the Cheltenham course
- 4/4 have either won or placed in the Paddy Power or Boylesports Gold Cup
- 4/4 winners came from the first three in the market
- 4/4 had no more than three runs this season
World Hurdle trends (1997 - 2008)
- Every winner had a break of one to three months
- Five winners arrived from the Rendlesham or Cleeve Hurdle
- Ten made the top three last time out
- 10/11 never finished out of the top four all season
- Only 1 winner raced more than 4 times that season
- Six to eight year-olds supplied 10 winners (6yos - 3, 7yos - 4, 8yos - 3).
- Last year Inglis Drever joined Galmoy (1988) and Crimson (1996) in being the only winners aged nine or over, and all three were previous winners
- 9/11 had raced at the Cheltenham festival before
- No mares have won out of 10 attempts
- Not a race for the Irish, with no winner since Bacchanal in 2000 and Doran's Pride before that in 1995
- Front running horses very rarely come up trumps here
Triumph Hurdle trends (1997 - 2008)
- Every winner raced within the past two months
- Seven winners arrived from wins at Kempton or Sandown
- Only 2/11 were Irish winners (Scolardy '02 and Commanche Court '97), both took the domestic route in preperation
- No winners for 35 years had ran in a handicap that season
- Each winner finished in the top-two LTO, with ten winning (Scolardy the only exception, but he had been disqualified into 2nd in his prep race)
- 10/11 winners had won at least half of their hurdle outings each having two to six times over timber
- Eight winners had form on the Flat, with the last seven all landing a Class 5 or better event
- Snow Drop provided the only winning filly from around 25 females
- Alan King and Philip Hobbs have notched up 2 wins apeice in the last five years
Cheltenham Gold Cup trends (1997 - 2008)
- Every winner was rested for around two to three montsh prior
- All 11 winners arrived via either Cheltenham, Kempton, Leopardstown or Newbury
- The King George VI best pointer (3 KG winners went on to victory, while Best Mate 2nd in '02 and Mr Mulligan who fell in '97 also went on to Gold cup wins).
- The Aon Chase has also provided the last two winners
- Every winner raced just two to five times that season
- Last 10 winners won at least one of their last three races
- 10/11 had previously raced at the Cheltenham Festival, with nine making the top-two
- Denman last year emulated Looks Like Trouble '00 and Garrison Savannah '91 in following up Royal & SunAlliance wins
- 9/11 won a Grade 1 chase and scord over at least 3m
- Every winner had faced fences between six to 13 times
- Seven to nine-year-olds held sway with Cool Dawn aged 10 the only exception in last 11 Gold Cups
- Paul Nicholls the obvious trainer here providing 3 winners while Noel Chance has scored twice
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 07, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
Well lads not long to go now! Does anyone kno what Muins is going to do? Will Cusin Vinney definitely go in the Supreme? What about Mikeal D'Heurgent?
Also I have been following a Paul Nolan trained horse called Joncol. I think it will ake a top class chaser in the future maybe even a grand national horse. I see it has an entry in the RSA chase but I can find any odds for it anywhere. Does anyone know if it is running?
Think he is swerving the festival Mickey, remember after last run Nolan came out and said the festival might come a bit soon...
Shinrock Paddy on the other hand, lump on!
I think Cousin Vinny is definitely going for the Supreme, look at the amount of money comnig in for it recently, the price has plummeted... Not so sure about Mikael yet as Mullins has kept shtum as usual, though he did say early in te season he wasn't sure if the Cheltenham hills would suit Mikael... a never know, he did bring 22horses over today according to The Morning Line this morn
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 07, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
Well lads not long to go now! Does anyone kno what Muins is going to do? Will Cusin Vinney definitely go in the Supreme? What about Mikeal D'Heurgent?
Also I have been following a Paul Nolan trained horse called Joncol. I think it will ake a top class chaser in the future maybe even a grand national horse. I see it has an entry in the RSA chase but I can find any odds for it anywhere. Does anyone know if it is running?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hpO_3iJPjvFH-GeqlwDRvdhLU6tQ
Cousin Vinny looks certain to go for the Supreme. Mikeal will only race if there's a bit of rain and more than likely in the Ballymore if he goes anywhere
Quote from: Homer on March 07, 2009, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 07, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
Well lads not long to go now! Does anyone kno what Muins is going to do? Will Cusin Vinney definitely go in the Supreme? What about Mikeal D'Heurgent?
Also I have been following a Paul Nolan trained horse called Joncol. I think it will ake a top class chaser in the future maybe even a grand national horse. I see it has an entry in the RSA chase but I can find any odds for it anywhere. Does anyone know if it is running?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hpO_3iJPjvFH-GeqlwDRvdhLU6tQ
Cousin Vinny looks certain to go for the Supreme. Mikeal will only race if there's a bit of rain and more than likely in the Ballymore if he goes anywhere
Cheers lads! Joncol is certainly one to look out for! I like Shinrck Paddy also but the jockey is putting me off.
Hope your right about Mulins. I have Vinney back ante post for the supreme and Mikeal for the Ballymore. Not that confident that Mikeal will run bu eckon if he runs he will win
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 07, 2009, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 07, 2009, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 07, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
Well lads not long to go now! Does anyone kno what Muins is going to do? Will Cusin Vinney definitely go in the Supreme? What about Mikeal D'Heurgent?
Also I have been following a Paul Nolan trained horse called Joncol. I think it will ake a top class chaser in the future maybe even a grand national horse. I see it has an entry in the RSA chase but I can find any odds for it anywhere. Does anyone know if it is running?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hpO_3iJPjvFH-GeqlwDRvdhLU6tQ
Cousin Vinny looks certain to go for the Supreme. Mikeal will only race if there's a bit of rain and more than likely in the Ballymore if he goes anywhere
Cheers lads! Joncol is certainly one to look out for! I like Shinrck Paddy also but the jockey is putting me off.
Hope your right about Mulins. I have Vinney back ante post for the supreme and Mikeal for the Ballymore. Not that confident that Mikeal will run bu eckon if he runs he will win
I know what you mean about the jockey, would rather someone decent on him and not the frickin owner but what can ya do?? Won two bumpers already with him on board, including one at Cheltenham... Course form is one thing I really look out for especially at Cheltenham where it can the difference in a horse.
i do a pound yankee every year and two outsiders.
which ones for the yankee? i'm thinking Kasbah Bliss, Binocular but need two more, any price
Quote from: milltown row on March 08, 2009, 06:23:11 PM
i do a pound yankee every year and two outsiders.
which ones for the yankee? i'm thinking Kasbah Bliss, Binocular but need two more, any price
You looking faves I take it by your two picks??
What about Voy Por Ustedes for the Ryanair Chase, I think it is a good thing... Also take your pick between olgers two runners for the Cross Country, personlly I am leaning towards L'ami....
favs at Cheltenham are nicely priced an £1 yankee keeps me going over the week
L'ami could be the one my Daughters name is in there. cheers Nail
Does anyone know much about Big Joe Kernan's horse Kempes? Heard a few whispers about him over the weekend from a few lads round armagh!! Though being a tyrone man they may be sending me on a wild goose chase!! My nap is Karabak in the Ballymore! AP on board!
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 08, 2009, 08:59:09 PM
Does anyone know much about Big Joe Kernan's horse Kempes? Heard a few whispers about him over the weekend from a few lads round armagh!! Though being a tyrone man they may be sending me on a wild goose chase!! My nap is Karabak in the Ballymore! AP on board!
Ross Carr's horse as well...
Its been backed in from 20s to 10s, Ruby is riding as Patrick Mullins is the only jockey that rides Cousin Vinny out...
You never know, Mullins won this race two years ago with 40/1 shot Ebaziyan...
I like the look of Kempes. Had a good record on the flat. Cousin Vinny can be beaten I reckon and Kempes is in with a shout.
Tips from Newstalk this morning
Supreme Novice Hurdle
Cousin Vinnie 5/2
Kempes E/W 10/1
Arkle Chase
Tatenen 9/2
Forpaddytheplaster e/w 10/1
Best Bet of Tuesday
William Hill
NAP – Wichita Linesman 6/1
Smurfit Kappa champion Hurdle
Binoculor 5/4
Cross Country Chase
L'Ami 5/2
A New Story e/w 20/1
Wed
Ballymore Properties Novice
Diamond Harry 4/1
Royal and sun alliance Chase
Cooldine 4/1
Coral Cup
Aglador 5/1
Petit Fute e/w 14/1
Fred Winters
Alexander Severious 5/1
NAP Weatherbys Champion Bumper
Sicilian Secret 9/2
Thursday
Pertemps Final
Ballydub 10/1
NAP
Double
Voy Per Ustedes Ryan Air Evens
World Hurdle Kasbahbliss 11/10
Friday
JCB Triumph Hurdle
NAP Walk On 5/1
CountyHurdle
Aachen10/1
Totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup
Denman 7/
Foxhunters Chase
Carronhills e/w 14/1
Final Declarations for tomorrw's (Tues) races are here:
http://guardian.sportinglife.com/GU_Meetings/0,14906,09-03-2009%5E1,00.html
Good Luck everyone!
Been looking at that Kempes this morning - think its definately worth an each way bet i reckon!
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 09, 2009, 11:53:19 AM
Been looking at that Kempes this morning - think its definately worth an each way bet i reckon!
Definitely.
Don't know the 1st thing about horses but even I've been told about Kempes by 2 "experts" ( ie they are always talking about horses).
When told the nag's name first by a Man U fan, I said "the footballer" ...... he looked at me with a bemused look as if I had sprouted a second head. Talk about getting old.
Willie Mullins has confirmed reports this morning about Cousin Vinny not travelling well and not eating. Cooldine is also said to have not travelled well although to a lesser extent.
Michael D'Haguenet is definitely not racing in the Supreme but looks increasingly likely to take on the Ballymore.
Tiday Bay will not run the Champion Chase
Henry De Bromhead is said to be unhappy with Sizing Europe and is very unlikely to run the Champion Hurdle
Any chance cousin Vinny will switch to the Ballymore? On paper he ticks more boxes for that anyway and if he's off feed etc the extra day might come into play?
Quote from: Treasurer on March 09, 2009, 01:04:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 09, 2009, 11:53:19 AM
Been looking at that Kempes this morning - think its definately worth an each way bet i reckon!
Definitely.
was also talking to one of the one of the owners at the weekend. they fancy it as an each way bet
Lads what do ya reckon L'ami's chances are tomorrow...?
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
Lads what do ya reckon L'ami's chances are tomorrow...?
The thoughts of tipster Angus Loughran below -
16:00 (Cross Country Chase) – L'AMI 2pts win We all know this race should be renamed 'the Enda Bolger benefit Cross Country' after the Irish handler has scooped the prize three times from the four times it's been run at the festival. Add in the numerous other Cheltenham (Non-festival) X country races he's landed over the years then, although not original, you simply have to have him on your side.
He sends out four runners, all in the normal JP McManus colours and just like Willie Mullins in the bumper it's just a case of deciding which of his runners to back. HeadsOntheGround took this in 2007 and Garde Champetre 12 months ago, but jockey bookings suggest that L'Ami is their first choice with JT McNamara in the plate. This former useful French chaser was third in the William Hill Chase at the festival last year and although he's never won over this X country course at Cheltenham he's run fourth and second here. More importantly he comes here on the back of an impressive win in a similar race at Punchestown last month and with the jockey having the pick of the four that's good enough for me.
Quote from: Homer on March 09, 2009, 01:44:49 PM
Willie Mullins has confirmed reports this morning about Cousin Vinny not travelling well and not eating. Cooldine is also said to have not travelled well although to a lesser extent.
Where did you hear this?
It's on The RP now..
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/cheltenham-supreme-novices-cheltenham-festival-mullins-airs-concerns-about-cousin-vinny-wellbeing/167861/top/
Mullins airs Cousin Vinny concerns By Tony O'Hehir 1.34PM 9 MAR 2009 WILLIE MULLINS on Monday expressed some concern about Cousin Vinny in advance of Tuesday's Williamhill.com Supreme Novices' Hurdle, for which the six-year-old is favourite.
Mullins said: "Cousin Vinny didn't travel over as well as we expected. He didn't eat up or drink up on Saturday night and, while he was better last night, it is a slight concern.
"Hopefully, he will eat and drink normally tonight and be in better form in the morning.
"He is going to take his chance as we feel there is no point in stalling the ball at this stage. But I expected to be a lot happier with him."
Quote from: Treasurer on March 09, 2009, 01:50:25 PM
Any chance cousin Vinny will switch to the Ballymore? On paper he ticks more boxes for that anyway and if he's off feed etc the extra day might come into play?
I wouldn't say it's not a possibility but by the sounds of things he would have to be in pretty bad form not to run in the Supreme and I'd say if he was pulled he probably won't run at the festival at all.
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
Lads what do ya reckon L'ami's chances are tomorrow...?
indeed...L'ami will take all the beating tomorrow...i will be going on him big for sure! also think that Drombeag has a smashing each way chance at 12/1
Quote from: ulster-boy on March 09, 2009, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
Lads what do ya reckon L'ami's chances are tomorrow...?
indeed...L'ami will take all the beating tomorrow...i will be going on him big for sure! also think that Drombeag has a smashing each way chance at 12/1
We have a special up, Bolger to win the Cross Country 4/9, so you have L'ami, Heads on the Ground, Garde Champetre and Drombeag...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: ulster-boy on March 09, 2009, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
Lads what do ya reckon L'ami's chances are tomorrow...?
indeed...L'ami will take all the beating tomorrow...i will be going on him big for sure! also think that Drombeag has a smashing each way chance at 12/1
We have a special up, Bolger to win the Cross Country 4/9, so you have L'ami, Heads on the Ground, Garde Champetre and Drombeag...
Thats not a bad bet there when you look at the horses you are getting. Wonder if any of the online bookies are doing something similar. Whats pushing you towards L'Ami over Garde Champetre ONL considering their head to head record
I see boyles are paying four places on the supreme novices tomorrow, with pp having the money back special if cousin vinny wins.
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 09, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: ulster-boy on March 09, 2009, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
Lads what do ya reckon L'ami's chances are tomorrow...?
indeed...L'ami will take all the beating tomorrow...i will be going on him big for sure! also think that Drombeag has a smashing each way chance at 12/1
We have a special up, Bolger to win the Cross Country 4/9, so you have L'ami, Heads on the Ground, Garde Champetre and Drombeag...
Thats not a bad bet there when you look at the horses you are getting. Wonder if any of the online bookies are doing something similar. Whats pushing you towards L'Ami over Garde Champetre ONL considering their head to head record
I see boyles are paying four places on the supreme novices tomorrow, with pp having the money back special if cousin vinny wins.
LAMI was given as NAP of the meeting at our preview night last week by both Tony Martin and a local rails Bookie, was 3/1 at the time. The gap between him and Garde Champetre has widden consdierably since.
Here are some of the tips from our Preview Night
http://www.thejoesgfc.com/newsArticle.php?id=26
When does Mullins have to declare what races he is going for? Im desperate to see Mikeal D'Heurgent running in the Ballymore!
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 09, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
When does Mullins have to declare what races he is going for? Im desperate to see Mikeal D'Heurgent running in the Ballymore!
Day before the race Mickey, you will know tomorrow...
Kempes is in to 8/1
opinions on the mares hurdle anyone?
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 09, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: ulster-boy on March 09, 2009, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 09, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
Lads what do ya reckon L'ami's chances are tomorrow...?
indeed...L'ami will take all the beating tomorrow...i will be going on him big for sure! also think that Drombeag has a smashing each way chance at 12/1
We have a special up, Bolger to win the Cross Country 4/9, so you have L'ami, Heads on the Ground, Garde Champetre and Drombeag...
Thats not a bad bet there when you look at the horses you are getting. Wonder if any of the online bookies are doing something similar. Whats pushing you towards L'Ami over Garde Champetre ONL considering their head to head record
I see boyles are paying four places on the supreme novices tomorrow, with pp having the money back special if cousin vinny wins.
Am not sure GC will handle the weights that well, he won off 129 last year, this year he is off 150, conceding weight all round and 4pounds to L'Ami... Plus the reports and vibes from the stable seem to be favouring L'Ami, as has the money...
An each way shout could be for A New Story, third in this race last year off 10-8, this year racing off 10-0, getting a lot of weight from the favourites... about 16/1 though as big as 20s with Victor Chandler...
Quote from: ulster-boy on March 09, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
opinions on the mares hurdle anyone?
Thought Whiteoak was going to be one of the bankers of the festival for this one but is now going for the big prize in the Champion Hurdle... It is a race I have not studied enough yetm will do so later, but Chomba Womba is a class horse and stands out at the minute...
Not long now lads and lassses, depending on the outcome of the next 4 days of war with the bookies I will either be eating steak the rest of this month or tuna toasties.
Quote from: ulster-boy on March 09, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
opinions on the mares hurdle anyone?
Has to be Quevega for me.
Quote from: Treasurer on March 09, 2009, 05:40:35 PM
Quote from: ulster-boy on March 09, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
opinions on the mares hurdle anyone?
Has to be Quevega for me.
im stuck in two minds over caroles legacy and gaspara, slightly leaning towards gaspara however at the mo! Pipe seems to have his horses going well at the right time. Has form at cheltenham havin won the fred winter a couple of years ago..although must admit hasn't impressed since! ran a nice race on its comeback at doncaster however and i tink i might have a few quid each way at 20/1.. ;D
Quote from: thebandit on March 09, 2009, 05:24:20 PM
Kempes is in to 8/1
I'm just after backing him ew at 10/1 with paddy power but he definately seems to be moving that way!
Racing Post have their price forecasts and takes on each race up...
WILLIAMHILL.COM SUPREME NOVICES' HURDLE GRADE 1 (CLASS 1) (4yo+) Winner £68,412
BETTING FORECAST: 11/4 Cousin Vinny, 9/2 Torphichen, 10/1 Go Native, 10/1 Kempes, 12/1 Micheal Flips, 14/1 Ainama, 14/1 Medermit, 14/1 Red Moloney, 16/1 Aachen, 16/1 Copper Bleu, 25/1 Golan Way, 25/1 Kangaroo Court, 40/1 Shoreacres, 40/1 Somersby, 66/1 Leo's Lucky Star, 66/1 Shamari, 100/1 Alarazi, 100/1 Leamington Lad, 150/1 Gloucester, 500/1 Bee Sting, 500/1 Intensifier.
His jumping could be more assured and the news of his travelling badly is a late worry but an in-form COUSIN VINNY is a class act and would be very hard to beat if avoiding mishaps. If it has rained significantly overnight, the softer ground will slow them down a bit and it should help his jumping. Plenty of the rest have a lot of potential and are largely unknown quantities but stablemate Kempes may be one of his most serious dangers, along with Torphichen, Red Moloney, Micheal Flips and Copper Bleu.[RA]
IRISH INDEPENDENT ARKLE CHALLENGE TROPHY CHASE GRADE 1 (CLASS 1) (5yo+) Winner £96,917
BETTING FORECAST: 7/2 Tatenen, 5/1 Calgary Bay, 8/1 I'msingingtheblues, 9/1 Forpadydeplasterer, 10/1 Planet Of Sound, 12/1 Kalahari King, 12/1 Tartak, 14/1 Golden Silver, 16/1 Follow The Plan, 16/1 Original, 20/1 Made In Taipan, 33/1 Cornas, 33/1 Gauvain, 33/1 Panjo Bere, 40/1 Bringbackthebiff, 50/1 I'm So Lucky, 150/1 Cheating Chance, 150/1 Cool Operator
Paul Nicholls and Ruby Walsh have not lost faith in Tatenen but he does not get the 5yo's weight allowance which has helped four of that age group to victory in the last ten runnings and as a result is at a considerable disadvantage with his Leopardstown conqueror FOLLOW THE PLAN who is available at far greater odds. Reportedly unsuited by much more testing ground when below that level of form behind Golden Silver and Forpadydeplasterer last time, he is value each-way.[FC]
WILLIAM HILL TROPHY HANDICAP CHASE GRADE 3 (CLASS 1) (5yo+) Winner £51,309
BETTING FORECAST: 6/1 Wichita Lineman, 8/1 Possol, 10/1 Millenium Royal, 10/1 Patsy Hall, 10/1 Star De Mohaison, 11/1 Cailin Alainn, 16/1 Lothian Falcon, 16/1 Maljimar, 16/1 Nenuphar Collonges, 20/1 Dear Villez, 20/1 Golden Flight, 20/1 Simon, 20/1 Tot O'Whiskey, 25/1 Wind Instrument, 33/1 Comply Or Die, 33/1 Hobbs Hill, 33/1 Lacdoudal, 33/1 Oedipe, 33/1 Reveillez, 33/1 The Sawyer, 40/1 Ollie Magern, 50/1 Hot Weld, 66/1 Billyvoddan, 66/1 Fundamentalist.
Star De Mohaison went very close to defying topweight here in December and makes plenty of appeal on that form, but he may well be withdrawn if the ground turns soft. That could also be a major problem for Possol and Lothian Falcon, who would otherwise be very high on the list. Assuming it does turn soft, the place to turn may well be MILLENIUM ROYAL who, like Wichita Lineman, is so well treated on his hurdles form.[RA]
Last three races:
SMURFIT KAPPA CHAMPION HURDLE CHALLENGE TROPHY GRADE 1 (CLASS 1) (4yo+) Winner £210,937
BETTING FORECAST: 7/4 Binocular, 8/1 Celestial Halo, 10/1 Osana, 14/1 Crack Away Jack, 14/1 Katchit, 16/1 Whiteoak, 20/1 Ashkazar, 20/1 Sublimity, 25/1 Brave Inca, 25/1 Punjabi, 25/1 Sentry Duty, 33/1 Harchibald, 33/1 Jered, 33/1 Won In The Dark, 40/1 Muirhead, 40/1 Snap Tie, 66/1 Ebaziyan, 100/1 Blue Bajan, 100/1 Hardy Eustace, 100/1 River Liane, 150/1 Othermix, 500/1 Alph, 500/1 Cybergenic.
There will be no hiding place for BINOCULAR (nap) as his rivals will be desperate to take the sting out of him but the manner in which he has twice cut down Celestial Halo makes him look the one horse in the line-up with the potential to achieve iconic status as a hurdler and his trainer seems unperturbed about the prospect of the ground softening. Celestial Halo, essentially a stayer and so well served by this track when winning last year's Triumph, is an obvious each-way alternative, while Katchit will scrap away all day round here and Whiteoak, Jered and Sentry Duty all have a squeak at bigger prices.[PJ]
GLENFARCLAS HANDICAP CHASE CROSS COUNTRY CHASE (CLASS 2) (5yo+) Winner £31,310
BETTING FORECAST: 2/1 L'Ami, 3/1 Garde Champetre, 7/1 Dix Villez, 10/1 Wonderkid, 12/1 Drombeag, 14/1 A New Story, 16/1 Heads Onthe Ground, 20/1 Pass Me By, 25/1 Puntal, 33/1 Florida Dream, 40/1 Ivoire De Beaulieu, 40/1 Jaspers Dream, 50/1 Benefit Night, 50/1 Crystal D'Ainay, 50/1 Dreux, 50/1 He's The Gaffer.
Enda Bolger continues to hold a strong grip in the cross-country field and has obvious prospects of winning this race for the fourth time in five runnings with Garde Champetre and L'AMI his main hopes. The latter, who has been very solid at the head of the ante-post market, has got better with each run for his new yard and could still be very well in. Drombeag and A New Story may be best of the others.[FC]
DAVID NICHOLSON MARES' HURDLE GRADE 2 (CLASS 1) (4yo+) Winner £56,330
BETTING FORECAST: 5/2 Quevega, 4/1 United, 13/2 Chomba Womba, 10/1 Give It Time, 10/1 Oscar Rebel, 14/1 Carole's Legacy, 20/1 Dansimar, 20/1 Gaspara, 25/1 Over Sixty, 25/1 Sweetheart, 33/1 Amber Brook, 33/1 Aura About You, 33/1 Megans Joy, 50/1 Helens Vision, 50/1 Issaquah, 50/1 Pagan Starprincess, 100/1 How's Business, 100/1 Shenanigan, 100/1 Wychwoods Legend, 150/1 Gallileo Figaro, 200/1 Purely By Chance.
Chomba Womba was found wanting behind a progressive 5yo in this race last year and, although she's going to be held up a bit longer to help her up the hill, there could be a similar tale to tell this time with the improving and well-regarded QUEVEGA looking set to build on last month's stylish return to action. United is nailed on to be in the shake-up, while Aura About You looks one to consider at big odds.[PJ]
Racing Pot spotlights on the Champion Hurdle:
1 344 Alph 38 12 11-10 R A Teal 0 Colin Bolger 144 152 152b g Alflora (IRE) — Royal Birthday (St Paddy)
Been rubbing shoulders with the hurdling toffs recently but left trailing behind Celestial Halo and Osana last time and divine intervention required for him to win.
2 -01 Ashkazar 24 b 1 5 11-10 D E Pipe 68 Timmy Murphy 156 161 161b g Sadler´s Wells (USA) — Asharna (IRE) (Darshaan)
Looked the class act connections have always rated him when beating reappearing Whiteoak on 4lb better terms than today´s and it´s always possible that first-time blinkers could spark further improvement and turn him into a live contender.
3 -11 Binocular 80 5 11-10 N J Henderson 57 A P McCoy 169 158 176b g Enrique — Bleu Ciel Et Blanc (FR) (Pistolet Bleu (IRE))
Looked tasty when making short work of Celestial Halo at Aintree as a juvenile and impressive when cutting down that rival again on easy ground at Ascot in December; softening ground would increase concerns about the final climb today but his second against older horses in the Supreme Novices´ last year was a rattling good effort and he will presumably be held on to a little longer this time.
4 333 Blue Bajan 74 7 11-10 Andrew Turnell 33 G Lee 160 154 160b g Montjeu (IRE) — Gentle Thoughts (Darshaan)
Breathing down necks of Harchibald and Snap Tie at Kempton on Boxing Day but held by Binocular on last year´s festival form and wouldn´t want more rain; sharper track would suit too.
5 231 Brave Inca 44 11 11-10 C A Murphy 100 Dominic Elsworth 162 160 167b g Good Thyne (USA) — Wigwam Mam (IRE) (Commanche Run)
Champion three years ago when he and Tony McCoy looked match made in heaven but couldn´t repel Sublimity when defending his crown the following season; showed he has lost none of his legendary courage after spell sidelined with tendon strain when narrow winner of Irish Champion Hurdle on favoured heavy ground in January but vulnerable to younger legs today.
6 -21 Celestial Halo 38 t 5 11-10 P F Nicholls 52 R Walsh 163 158 169b g Galileo (IRE) — Pay The Bank (High Top)
Proved well suited by demands of this track when winning last year´s Triumph and, although has twice been beaten by Binocular since, he´s reported by trainer to have come on bundles since reappearance defeat at Ascot (had suffered difficult preparation);too strong for Osana (who´s now 4lb better off) at Sandown in January and looks sure to be involved.
7 125 Crack Away Jack 80 5 11-10 Miss E C Lavelle 20 Noel Fehily 156 141 158ch g Gold Away (IRE) — Jolly Harbour (Rudimentary (USA))
Beat Ashkazar in the big juvenile handicap here 12 months ago (nothing between them on the book) and Chepstow reappearance win confirmed him still on the upgrade; likely to come up short at the highest level, though trainer thinks he was over the top when slammed by Binocular at Ascot and has freshened him up.
8 11- Cybergenic 627 11 11-10 Paul Murphy 0 Keith Mercer 135 — 141gr g Bering — Ciudadella (FR) (Highest Honor (FR))
Smart hurdler at best in France but been off a long time and chance reflected in his massive odds.
9 -21 Ebaziyan 9 8 11-10 W P Mullins 67 P Townend 155 78 160gr g Daylami (IRE) — Ebadiyla (IRE) (Sadler´s Wells (USA))
Won an unremarkable version of the Supreme Novices´ here two years ago but was beaten miles behind Katchit in last year´s Champion and, although he enjoyed a confidence-boosting success at Leopardstown nine days ago, there´s no reason to expect great things from him here.
10 4-1 Harchibald 74 t 10 11-10 Noel Meade 44 P Carberry 162 170 167b g Perugino (USA) — Dame D´Harvard (USA) (Quest For Fame)
Cast in the pantomime villain role ever since his narrow defeat in the 2005 Champion Hurdle when splitting Hardy Eustace and Brave Inca but periodically makes detractors eat humble pie by landing valuable prizes, most recently coming up with enough to repel Snap Tie and Blue Bajan at Kempton; ran no sort of race in this 12 months ago when going softer than ideal and eminently resistable again.
11 385 Hardy Eustace 44 tv 12 11-10 D T Hughes 39 P W Flood 162 154 163b g Archway (IRE) — Sterna Star (Corvaro (USA))
Been turning up here as regular as clockwork since winning as a novice in 2003 and his record in this race is 1134; still good enough to beat Sizing Europe and Jered in mud at Punchestown in November but well beaten behind Brave Inca at Leopardstown in January and no pretensions to winning this race any more (ran in 3m World Hurdle last year), though always good to see him.
12 -13 Jered 114 7 11-10 Noel Meade 44 D J Casey 137 148 167ch g Presenting — La Noire (IRE) (Phardante (FR))
Heavy ground did for him when third to Hardy Eustace at Punchestown in November but had looked to be developing into a tip-top hurdler when winning previous four races and handled soft well enough when impressively winning Down Royal Grade 3 the previousmonth; could go well at decent odds after his break.
13 234 Katchit 80 6 11-10 A King 69 Robert Thornton 166 161 171b g Kalanisi (IRE) — Miracle (Ezzoud (IRE))
This place brings out the best in him and gave a real street-fighting display to beat Osana 12 months ago with Punjabi back in third; the overriding impression backed up by the time was that that wasn´t a vintage contest and he hasn´t been in great form yet on track this year, prompting connections to flirt with the idea of blinkers, though that idea has been rejected after he perked up in recent work.
14 542 Muirhead 44 6 11-10 Noel Meade 44 D J Condon 145 159 163b g Flemensfirth (USA) — Silaoce (FR) (Nikos)
Clearly didn´t give his running in last year´s Supreme Novices´ and been coming steadily to hand this season, running best race when only just failing to peg back Brave Inca at his most determined at Leopardstown in January; needs to take another step forward but will be suit by the demands of this race.
15 2-2 Osana 38 b 1 7 11-10 D E Pipe 68 Andrew J McNamara 165 166 170b g Video Rock (FR) — Voilette (FR) (Brezzo (FR))
Front-runner, took time to come to himself this season after progressing so well last term when beating all bar Katchit in the Champion and trainer confident he will come on plenty for his Sandown reappearance second to Celestial Halo; 4lb pull gives himprospects of reversing that form but slight worry whether first-time blinkers will make him do too much.
16 -15 Othermix 261 5 11-10 T R George 75 P J Brennan 151 — 144gr g Linamix (FR) — Other Crik (FR) (Bigstone (IRE))
High-class hurdler in France where successful four times in testing ground at Auteuil but a big ask for him to polish off the cracks here on first start since finishing quite close behind the likes of Hurricane Fly and Quevega in Grade 1 in June.
17 1F3 Punjabi 24 6 11-10 N J Henderson 57 B J Geraghty 163 151 168b g Komaite (USA) — Competa (Hernando (FR))
Proved third in last year´s Champion Hurdle was no fluke when winning at Punchestown and touched off Sublimity in Wetherby Grade 1 on soft on reappearance; might have beaten Harchibald at Kempton at Christmas but for falling two out and considered in need of run when left behind by Ashkazar and Whiteoak at Wincanton; better off with both and could make frame again.
18 173 River Liane 44 5 11-10 Thomas Cooper 0 N P Madden 149 148 154ch g River Bay (USA) — Gospellianne (FR) (Machiavellian (USA))
Broke blood vessel when disappointing in juvenile handicap here last season but has shown himself a decent performer this year, though limitations have apparently been exposed behind a number of these rivals in Grade 1 company at Leopardstown on last twostarts; better to come from him in due course.
19 -11 Sentry Duty 80 7 11-10 N J Henderson 57 Andrew Tinkler 154 158 157b g Kahyasi — Standing Around (FR) (Garde Royale)
Given an each-way chance here by trainer after stylish valuable handicap wins at Ascot and also in his favour he hasn´t run since December as he goes well fresh; didn´t give his running when miles behind stablemate Binocular in Supreme Novices´ here lastyear.
20 -25 Sizing Europe 71 7 11-10 Henry De Bromhead 0 DOUBTFUL 167 — 171b g Pistolet Bleu (IRE) — Jennie Dun (IRE) (Mandalus)
Looked a king in waiting when wide-margin winner of last season´s Irish Champion Hurdle but lost action when melting away to nothing in closing stages of this race last year and has failed to deliver in two starts this season too; have to have reservations about him now.
21 123 Snap Tie 52 7 11-10 P J Hobbs 65 Richard Johnson 160 160 160b g Pistolet Bleu (IRE) — Aries Girl (Valiyar)
Big plus for him is the prospect of strongly run race, which trainer is convinced he needs; however, held by Binocular on last year´s festival form, certainly needs to improve to have prospects of winning and significant rain overnight will damage his chance more than most, as he´d be a hopeless case if judged on his last Haydock run where he was unsuited by tacky conditions.
22 214 Sublimity 44 t 9 11-10 Robert Alan Hennessy 0 P A Carberry 162 164 171b g Selkirk (USA) — Fig Tree Drive (USA) (Miswaki (USA))
Champion Hurdler for John Carr two years ago and hadn´t had ideal preparation when only fourth to Katchit last year; twice been beaten by Punjabi since and looks unlikely to regain crown despite having bagged a Grade 1 prize by beating Won In The Dark indetermined fashion at Leopardstown late last year when five more of these rivals were well beaten off; last run best ignored, as scoped badly afterwards.
23 -42 Won In The Dark 71 5 11-10 Sabrina J Harty 0 D N Russell 147 160 165b g Montjeu (IRE) — Meseta (Lion Cavern (USA))
Third to Celestial Halo in last year´s Triumph here and pulled well clear of some big names when running Sublimity close in Leopardstown Grade 1 in December; not a forlorn hope on that but still has something to find to have prospects of landing the spoils.
24 2-2 Whiteoak 24 6 11-3 D McCain Jnr 62 Jason Maguire 150 163 164b m Oscar (IRE) — Gayla Orchestra (Lord Gayle (USA))
Reportedly stronger and speedier than last year when she won the 2m4f Grade 2 mares hurdle at this meeting and was expected to need the run when fine second to Ashkazar over 2m at Wincanton; 4lb pull gives her solid prospects of reversing that form and easy to see why connections are having a crack at this big one.
any tips for 2moro,mite get to bookies on my tea break??heard word for muirhead,think its 33/1
Quote from: bigfrank on March 09, 2009, 09:07:40 PM
any tips for 2moro,mite get to bookies on my tea break??heard word for muirhead,think its 33/1
joe charlie
Quote from: bigfrank on March 09, 2009, 09:07:40 PM
any tips for 2moro,mite get to bookies on my tea break??heard word for muirhead,think its 33/1
Muirhead has not done that much this season, don't think it is in the same league as the rest of the irish hurdlers.... Sublimity beat it out the park there round xmas...
This is either the bad midfielder that i used to know or the bad goalie,either way that joe charlie tip cost me my student loan:):P But we had some good times lad,back in front,best mate!! Like a salmon:D
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on March 09, 2009, 09:07:40 PM
any tips for 2moro,mite get to bookies on my tea break??heard word for muirhead,think its 33/1
Muirhead has not done that much this season, don't think it is in the same league as the rest of the irish hurdlers.... Sublimity beat it out the park there round xmas...
thats me told then!! back into my corner i go >:( if u cant mention a whisper for a horse this week then when can u lol :P
Quote from: bigfrank on March 09, 2009, 09:22:21 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on March 09, 2009, 09:07:40 PM
any tips for 2moro,mite get to bookies on my tea break??heard word for muirhead,think its 33/1
Muirhead has not done that much this season, don't think it is in the same league as the rest of the irish hurdlers.... Sublimity beat it out the park there round xmas...
thats me told then!! back into my corner i go >:( if u cant mention a whisper for a horse this week then when can u lol :P
I thought you were lookibng to hear some views on the horse!! Apologies, I thought this was a discussion board but no matter...
Of course you cant rule any horse out, how often do you see horses being wrapped in cotton wool all season and given an easy time only for them to romp home at a big price, quite often with the Irisih horses like Ebaziyan (40/1) and Sublimity (16/1) there two years ago on the opening day
Quote from: bigfrank on March 09, 2009, 09:20:40 PM
This is either the bad midfielder that i used to know or the bad goalie,either way that joe charlie tip cost me my student loan:):P But we had some good times lad,back in front,best mate!! Like a salmon:D
wrong, neither of them two fermanagh c**nts!!lol
sure i seen your docket, student loan me hole you and your £2 forecasts as usual ;)
who does your brother fancy for tomorrow, cos I sure as hell will be staying clear of his tips!lol
My bro has given up on the horses,but im sure u will find his head stuck in the racing post 2moro for sure,talkin bout reverse forecasts that he seen u doin a few years ago:P bad gambler!!
Mc Coy's the Boy!!! Its still ringin in my ears! ;D
Was chatting to a mate there and he reckons a few of them have been backing Rite of Passage for the bumper at longish odds all year and been backed into 9/2! Anyone know anymore about this horse? Reckon its their banker of the meeting!!
osana in the champ hurdle at 7/1 without binocular(most bookies) is a value alternative to binocular tomorow!
also voy por the nap of the festival, at 11/10 I would say better value than kasbah bliss and is a proven(2 time) cheltenham winner
Green mile in the pertemps handicap hurdle (thursday)- wouldnt touch anything else on thursday but!!!
gunna try this each way accumulator on each race today..
1.30 Medermit 16/1
14.05 Original 16/1
14.40 Cailin Alainn 11/1
15.20 Sentry Duty 33/1
16.00 Drombeag 12/1
16.40 Gaspara 20/1
i'll be a happy man if that comes in :D
Going each way on the following horses today:
Kempes
Red Moloney
Forpadydeplasterer
Kalahari King
Sublimity
Katchit
Wichita Lineman
Star De Mohaison
A New Story
Oscar Rebel
Chomba Womba
I will be doing those selecctions in my placepot with L'Ami thrown in as well for the Cross Country
Any hints from the Morning Line this morning?
Today's selections...
1.30 Kempes E/W, Go Native E/W
2.05 Tatenen, Forpadydeplasterer E/W
2.40 Star De Mohaison E/W
3.20 Katchit E/W, Osana E/W
4.00 L'Ami
4.40 United E/W
All fairly small bets. Best of luck lads.
Any of you lads stuck in work can watch on Racing UK here http://www.justin.tv/jungledragon1
My bets for today are Cousin Vinney and Garde Champetre each way double. Not that confident about Garde Champetre but done it ante post.
Also bet Kelahari King each way. Again not overly confident.
Anyone know the latest on Mikeal D'heurgent? Will he run tomorrow?
Have got wired into Kempes in the first. See how it goes after that. I fancy Gaspara to run a big race later on at 20/1
I didn't realise until I checked my account just how many old bets I had on - as long as Binocular doesn't win I think have most other options covered! (Jered probably the only profitable return when all bets are taken into account!)
Kempes/Go Native
Follow the Plan
Calinn Alainn
Garde Champetre
Que Vega
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 09, 2009, 09:54:57 PM
Was chatting to a mate there and he reckons a few of them have been backing Rite of Passage for the bumper at longish odds all year and been backed into 9/2! Anyone know anymore about this horse? Reckon its their banker of the meeting!!
Tony Mullins: "Dermot Weld was around in the house the other day and he was saying he's got one to beat Willie. He was so cocky about Rite Of Passage that you'd have to respect him. It's very rare that Dermot is so cocky about one of his horses, so you#d have to take him seriously."
I have a small bit on him antepost for the Champion Bumper as I don't think Mullins brigade is all that good this year and will invariably be over bet anyway.
NON RUNNERS TUESDAY
1:30 Aachen
2:05 I'm So Lucky
2:40 Hobbs Hill, Lothian Falcon
3:20 Sizing Europe
Todays Bets:
Lucky 15
1:30 - Kempes
2:05 - Follow the Plan
3:20 - Katchit
4:00 - Garde Champetre
4:40 - Chomba Womba (Banker)
Todays Lucky 15
Not a 'spitinyourfacebet' but it wouldnt be too bad
Kempes 1.30
Calgary Bay 2.05
Osana 3.20
Quevega 4.40
Also having a dig on Parsons Pistol, and for some reason i smell a rat with Hot Weld ???
my yankee is cousin vinny, binocular, l'ami and Quevega and i has punted on Ap to be top jockey!!!!!
ANYONE KNOW WHERE YOU CAN LISTEN TO LIVE COMMENTARY ONLINE?
My each way Lucky 15 - Cousin Vinny, Binocular, Tatenen and Witchita Lineman A few each way bets on Kempes, Kalahari King, Katchit and Heads on the ground!
Always bet big on first day and try to earn my bets for rest of week - here's hoping!!!
Does anyone else think Brave Inca is very big at 25/1???
I've taped the racing off channel 4 and plan to watch "as live" when i get home from work tonight!!
my bets today are
michael flips
kalahari king
pasty hall
celestal halo
l'aimi
over sixty
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 10, 2009, 01:10:29 PM
ANYONE KNOW WHERE YOU CAN LISTEN TO LIVE COMMENTARY ONLINE?
if you put on one bet on the william hill online you can listen to on their page...
If anyone missed the last post there's a live Stream here... http://www.justin.tv/jungledragon1
Go Native takes the 1:30
go native at 12/1
Interesting first race!
1st - Go Native - 12/1
2nd - Medermit - 12/1
3rd - Somersby - 40/1
Woohoo! Too bad I opted for Kempes in my fantasy team
That'll do nicely. Although same as Treas went with Kempes in the Fantasy cup. Kempes hit the first hurdle hard, Ruby doing well to hold on... he never looked like getting into it after that. Go Native cruised into the lead but the post came just in time. Cousin Vinny obviously not himself but Hurricane Fly would have hammered that field.
Quote from: Homer on March 10, 2009, 01:47:29 PM
That'll do nicely. Although same as Treas went with Kempes in the Fantasy cup. Kempes hit the first hurdle hard, Ruby doing well to hold on... he never looked like getting into it after that. Go Native cruised into the lead but the post came just in time. Cousin Vinny obviously not himself but Hurricane Fly would have hammered that field.
Correct, HF beat Go Native by ten lengths over xmas at Leopardstown
yes but certain horses just don't perform at cheltenham. They are fussy animals so there is no guarantee that HF would have won. As the man says it is all hypothetical now.
Ruby down!!!!!!
Paddy the Plasterer wins !!!!!!!!!
1st - Forpadydeplaster
2nd - Kalahari King
3rd - Planet of Sound
My first winner of the festival gwan Paddy. £10 ew 8)
lads good site here:
http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?Pageid=65465
he mentioned go native as one of four in the first race and mentioned Paddy the Plasterer as main tip in the second - not guaranteeing anything but worth a look before placing your bet.
Had tenner ew on both Pady and KK and 5er reverse forecast, my days punting is paid for already... Will now invest in Sub and Katchit
ONL sent you a PM there.
Great stuff 2 up for the Irish
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 10, 2009, 01:47:29 PM
That'll do nicely. Although same as Treas went with Kempes in the Fantasy cup. Kempes hit the first hurdle hard, Ruby doing well to hold on... he never looked like getting into it after that. Go Native cruised into the lead but the post came just in time. Cousin Vinny obviously not himself but Hurricane Fly would have hammered that field.
Correct, HF beat Go Native by ten lengths over xmas at Leopardstown
Yes but Go Native made a mistake that took him out of contention, I'd like to see them go at it again.
had paddy and plant of sound ew. disaster in the 1st with cousin vinny.
going with nenuphar collonges ew in the next
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 02:18:25 PM
Had tenner ew on both Pady and KK and 5er reverse forecast, my days punting is paid for already... Will now invest in Sub and Katchit
what did the forecast pick you up ONL, id say it was a nice lift
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 02:18:25 PM
Had tenner ew on both Pady and KK and 5er reverse forecast, my days punting is paid for already... Will now invest in Sub and Katchit
Had Katchit is this race last year bogged to the neck ;D Can't see him getting past Binocular though this time - might do a sneaky each way though
Quote from: Treasurer on March 10, 2009, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: Homer on March 10, 2009, 01:47:29 PM
That'll do nicely. Although same as Treas went with Kempes in the Fantasy cup. Kempes hit the first hurdle hard, Ruby doing well to hold on... he never looked like getting into it after that. Go Native cruised into the lead but the post came just in time. Cousin Vinny obviously not himself but Hurricane Fly would have hammered that field.
Correct, HF beat Go Native by ten lengths over xmas at Leopardstown
Yes but Go Native made a mistake that took him out of contention, I'd like to see them go at it again.
Go Native has no turn of foot and was badly needing of the line. Hurricane Fly would have danced up the hill.
Star De Mohaison NR in the next gonna have a few quid on Comply or Die to place
First 2 up today ;)
Paddy Power paying first 5 on the next race, so all each way on Millenium Royal ???
Cailin Alainn for me
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 10, 2009, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 02:18:25 PM
Had tenner ew on both Pady and KK and 5er reverse forecast, my days punting is paid for already... Will now invest in Sub and Katchit
what did the forecast pick you up ONL, id say it was a nice lift
Paid 65.24 (for a pound)... 8)
Gonna have good chunks each way now on katchit and sub then reverse forecast as well
Wichita and Millennium Royal in next, each way singles with a rfc
for what its worth, my selections for the rest of the day,
2:40-Cailin Alainn
3:20-binocular (or Sublimity/cracaway jack e/w)
4.00 -l'ami
4.40 -quevega
Simply brilliant from McCoy
go on ya good thing... what a ride, what a pilot, come on Binocular!!!!!!!!! :)
What were the top 5 in the 2.40 if anyone has them handy please?
The bookies are getting peeled !
1st - Wichita Lineman 5-1fav
2nd - Maljimar 14-1
3rd - Nenuphar Collonges 17-2
4th - Dear Villez 16-1
5th - The Sawyer
No worries. Had the winner but had a small bit each way on cpmply or die and they're paying on first 5. 1 winner and 1 place so far. Long way to go yet though!!
ruby was fourth i think
Had Nenephur Collonges EachWay at 16's so I am happy enough..
Fair play to AP, was some ride!
Anyone know if Boylesports were paying out on 4th place in the second race? Could make a big difference if they were!!
Full list there now Clareman.
No Comply or Die
Sound...
the sawyer was fifth clareman
Fancy Brave Inca E/W here
on a small profit at the minute.
looking for bincular and katchit placed in the next
have a sweat waiting on sublimity here. Have him in a 20 quid e/w double with forpaddydeplasterer.
No one do Celestrial Halo? I have him ???
Binocular doing some sweating, bit like a few fellas here
The deeds of the house are on his back, come on binocular!
House fucked
Fsair play to Geraghty
1st - Punjabi
2nd - Celestrial Halo
3rd - Binocular
4th - Crack Away Jack
Some day for Barry Geraghty
sick
Well Fcuk Binocular
Least I was right about Binocular not getting up the hill
had ten ew on Punjabi, a last minute hasty decision when i could make up my mind between Muirhead and Askazaar.
Going for Nina in the next. 8)
Quote from: bennydorano on February 23, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
TAC I wouldn't waste your money on Punjabi, a horse I thought was going to make it, but it's been shocking lately (Cert now to win at 20's!)
Hope you didn't listen to me TAC. Stinker of a day so far.
Quote from: orangeman on March 10, 2009, 02:54:32 PM
The bookies are getting peeled !
Quote of the day :D
Had 25 e/w on Celestial ....feck....I thought I was in clover :-\
Ruby 3 Day Ban??
When does that take affect from Nail??
Spent £20 today, £1 Lucky 15:
Kempes >:(
Wichita Lineman ;D
Sublimity >:(
United
£5 double
Forpadydeplasterer 8/1 ;D
Wichitia Lineman 5/1 ;D
£270
Mc Coy is some jockey, i thought he was stuffed on Witchia Lineman.
A New Story I am on here, very well treated by the handicapper
Quote from: Joxer on March 10, 2009, 03:57:16 PM
Ruby 3 Day Ban??
When does that take affect from Nail??
Don't worry won't be til after the festival is over
Quote from: Joxer on March 10, 2009, 03:57:16 PM
Ruby 3 Day Ban??
When does that take affect from Nail??
Yeah he will be riding for the rest of the week no worries...
Go on Nina Ya girl ye!!
Happy enough, A New Story pleaced at 14/1, was torn between backing it each way and L'Ami so I chose correctly...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:13:46 PM
Happy enough, A New Story pleaced at 14/1, was torn between backing it each way and L'Ami so I chose correctly...
top tipping in a tripe race, x-country chase should not be run at cheltenham imo
Any suggestions on the last race of the day, a good long shot!
Ruby win on Quevega
Gaspara as an e/w alternative
Over sixty, Richard Thornton at 28/1, good e/w bet.
Its a bumper so hoping Willie Mullins obliges, Neville Ring napped Quevega in the Irish News today and he seems to do ok for me...famous last words :'(
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 10, 2009, 04:25:03 PM
Its a bumper so hoping Willie Mullins obliges, Neville Ring napped Quevega in the Irish News today and he seems to do ok for me...famous last words :'(
Its not a bumper, its the mares hurdle, they have swapped the order around, the bumper used to be the last race on the Tuesday...
Bumper tomorrow at 5.15
I am going for Chomba Womba here...
Chomba Womba, Geraghty to finish off the day in style.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 10, 2009, 04:25:03 PM
Its a bumper so hoping Willie Mullins obliges, Neville Ring napped Quevega in the Irish News today and he seems to do ok for me...famous last words :'(
Its not a bumper, its the mares hurdle, they have swapped the order around, the bumper used to be the last race on the Tuesday...
Bumper tomorrow at 5.15
I am going for Chomba Womba here...
What if it gets knocked down?...
going for quevega in the last
going for ruby to save my day!!!!
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 10, 2009, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 10, 2009, 04:25:03 PM
Its a bumper so hoping Willie Mullins obliges, Neville Ring napped Quevega in the Irish News today and he seems to do ok for me...famous last words :'(
Its not a bumper, its the mares hurdle, they have swapped the order around, the bumper used to be the last race on the Tuesday...
Bumper tomorrow at 5.15
I am going for Chomba Womba here...
What if it gets knocked down?...
the way its going for him, he'll sure get back up again.... and win!! :D
great ride by Nina, nerves of steel that lass.
Going EW on Gaspara and issaquah for a mad long shot at 66/1
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 10, 2009, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 10, 2009, 04:25:03 PM
Its a bumper so hoping Willie Mullins obliges, Neville Ring napped Quevega in the Irish News today and he seems to do ok for me...famous last words :'(
Its not a bumper, its the mares hurdle, they have swapped the order around, the bumper used to be the last race on the Tuesday...
Bumper tomorrow at 5.15
I am going for Chomba Womba here...
What if it gets knocked down?...
She will get up again, they never gonna keep her down!!
On Que Vega and Aura About You
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Neville Ring couldn't pick his hole!!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:40:19 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Neville Ring couldn't pick his hole!!
Too much info there Our Nail! lets see anyway...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:40:19 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Neville Ring couldn't pick his hole!!
:D brilliant
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:40:19 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Neville Ring couldn't pick his hole!!
:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Yes! First of the day!
wow what a mare
pissed home, tough first day but not down in the pocket thank god.. disappointed in Binocular though >:(
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
Going each way on the following horses today:
Kempes dicked
Red Moloney dicked
Forpadydeplasterer 8/1 winner
Kalahari King 8/1 place
Sublimity dicked
Katchit dicked
Wichita Lineman 5/1 winner
Star De Mohaison non runner
A New Story 14/1 place
Oscar Rebel dicked
Chomba Womba dicked
I will be doing those selecctions in my placepot with L'Ami thrown in as well for the Cross Country
Am very happy with today despite my Neville Ring comment, I bet I did better than him anyway, fat beardy f**ker.
Lads dunno if any of use checked that site i posted up - ur boy not a bad tipster - mentioned 4 winners - and out of the 6 races - 5 were placed and 3 winners (from his favourites) - i know ill be checking it the mara again - though he'll prob do a Neviile Ring the mara :D :D
1.30 KEMPES (RED MOLONEY, Copper Bleu, Go Native)
2.05 FORPADYDEPLASTERER (TATENEN, Follow The Plan)
2.40 MALJIMAR Placed (MILENIUM ROYAL, Cailin Alainn)
3.20 BINOCULAR Placed (WHITEOAK, Muirhead, Osana)
4.00 GARDE CHAMPETRE (L'AMI, Drombeag)
4.40 QUEVEGA (UNITED, Chomba Womba)
Yep C_berg_316
Kept an eye on it today and had FORPADYDEPLASTERER , GARDE CHAMPETRE & QUEVEGA three winners, so not a bad day at the office!.
F U C K I T!!! >:(
Was planning on throwing money down on whatever horse Barry Geraghty was on, but never got to the bookies.
This happened a few years ago, I told 3 people to back him and never bothered doing it myself Is he racing again,
Quote from: Homer on March 10, 2009, 11:18:28 AM
Today's selections...
1.30 Kempes E/W,
Go Native E/W :)
2.05 Tatenen,
Forpadydeplasterer E/W :)
3.20 Katchit E/W,
Osana E/W
4.00 L'Ami
4.40 United E/W :)
A good day overall ensured by a great start but not much luck thereafter.
Quevega's performance makes the form of Hurricane Fly looking even better, looks a cert for the Champion Hurdle 2010.
brother had a £2.50 e/w double with forpaddydeplasterer and punjabi won £712.
Some bet Bridgegael, tell him not to go mad now and keep doing the same bets he would do normally otherwise he will prob lose it all!!
Here is the Racing Post Spotlights for the Champion Chase:
1 075 Ashley Brook 25 11 11-10 K Bishop 0 Richard Johnson 157 165 165
Emerged from the doldrums to beat Mahogany Blaze on these terms with Twist Magic (20lb better off with pair) a disappointing fourth at Exeter in November but those exertions seem to have knocked the stuffing out of him, though perhaps spin over hurdles might have perked him up after a grumpy effort at Kempton´s Christmas meeting when a couple of streets behind Petit Robin.
2 -1F Big Zeb 38 8 11-10 C A Murphy 100 Robert Thornton 159 163 163
Form of his Leopardstown Christmas success hardly extraordinary, but did impress with the way he travelled and jumped; moving well when coming to grief two out when favourite for Punchestown Grade 2 next time but trainer still has him down as a good jumper, though admits he might need a plane to fall out of the sky and land on Master Minded if his horse is to win.
3 /14 Briareus 75 9 11-10 A M Balding 0 A P McCoy 150 125 158
Turned over subsequent big handicap chase winner I´msingingtheblues when making successful return at Kempton in November after almost two years on sidelines through injury; ran as well as could have been expected when soundly beaten fourth in King Georgeat Kempton on step up to 3m but in with a shout of some place money.
4 473 Mahogany Blaze 53 7 11-10 N A Twiston-Davies 64 P J Brennan 151 157 160
Couldn´t cope with Master Minded, or runner-up Petit Robin for that matter, in Victor Chandler at Ascot in January and had been left trailing in the former´s wake in the Tingle Creek at Sandown when blinkered, so hard to come up with reasons to think he has any prospects of winning.
5 133 Marodima 25 6 11-10 Miss Rebecca Curtis 100 Nick Scholfield 149 143 153
Useful front-running chaser for Paul Nicholls but up against it in this company even though he ran perfectly sound race for new connections when third in 2m Uttoxeter handicap last month on first start since October.
6 -11 Master Minded 53 6 11-10 P F Nicholls 52 R Walsh 186 172 191
One of those rare horses with the ability to take your breath away, making the 2007 champion look very small beer in this race last year and jumping Petit Robin and Mahogany Blaze senseless at Ascot last month; those performances put him in a different league to his rivals and only the most compulsive layers will try to get him beaten.
7 474 Newmill 25 11 11-10 John Joseph Murphy 0 R M Power 146 107 156
Front-runner who barged his way into the top flight of 2m chasers when winning this race three years ago but has been put in his place in the last two runnings, finishing 44l behind Master Minded last year; beaten miles into fourth behind Scotsirish at Cork on reappearance before fair fourth over hurdles and unlikely to be regaining his crown.
8 122 Petit Robin 53 6 11-10 N J Henderson 57 B J Geraghty 157 157 168
Trainer hopeful he can give Master Minded more of a race going this way round over a stiffer track than he did in the Victor Chandler at Ascot but to the neutral that smacks of clutching at straws, admirable and smart chaser though Petit Robin is.
9 051 Santa´s Son 74 t 9 11-10 J Howard Johnson 43 Denis O´Regan 152 145 162
Ex-Irish handicapper, a revelation when dropping down to this trip on soft at Wetherby´s Christmas meeting as he cruised to a wide-margin victory over what was not a field of mugs; no suggestion he can defy this huge step up in class though.
10 213 Scotsirish 38 8 11-10 W P Mullins 67 P Townend 153 139 158
First stamped himself as a potential top-notcher when defying big weight in 2m5f novice handicap at Punchestown last April but showed himself at least as happy at this trip when runaway winner of Cork Grade 2 in December; last month´s laboured third in Grade 2 at Punchestown offputting and trainer didn´t seem wildly enthusiastic about making this challenge.
11 4F6 Twist Magic 74 t 7 11-10 P F Nicholls 52 Sam Thomas 167 154 173
One of the more credible threats to the jolly if on a going day and was trying to make a race of it with Master Minded when falling two out in Sandown´s Tingle Creek in December; showed his darker side next time, however, when miles behind Petit Robin atKempton´s Christmas fixture and it all depends which version of him shows up.
12 F3/ Well Chief 698 10 11-10 D E Pipe 68 Timmy Murphy 162 — 168
Career has been blighted by leg problems but ran a peak-form Moscow Flyer to 2l when second in this race four years ago and he returned from best part of two years on sidelines to murder Ashley Brook in Grade 2 at Newbury two seasons ago; has been nursedback to fitness with much swimming and tlc and would be the main threat to Master Minded if still as good as he was after another two years off.
BETTING FORECAST: 4/11 Master Minded, 12/1 Big Zeb, 12/1 Well Chief, 14/1 Petit Robin, 20/1 Briareus, 20/1 Twist Magic, 50/1 Santa's Son, 66/1 Ashley Brook, 66/1 Mahogany Blaze, 80/1 Scotsirish, 100/1 Newmill, 250/1 Marodima.
I had 3 winners out of 6 in my place pot and still didn't make money!!
A guy who sits beside me had £5 free bet in Ladbrokes and picked the first 2 winners in a double and won over £600.
He thinks its too easy now...Any one in Belfast tomorrow get into Ladbrokes and register your name for a free fiver bet every day!
If your as lucky as him you could make a few pound
Fancy for tomorrow
Cant buy time
Diamond Harry
Cooldine
Psycho
Probably do a £1 yankee or something..You never know your luck
Pat does the free bet have to be at Cheltenham?
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 10, 2009, 09:58:41 PM
I had 3 winners out of 6 in my place pot and still didn't make money!!
A guy who sits beside me had £5 free bet in Ladbrokes and picked the first 2 winners in a double and won over £600.
He thinks its too easy now...Any one in Belfast tomorrow get into Ladbrokes and register your name for a free fiver bet every day!
I take it that offer is nationwide...I was in a Ladbrokes the day the offer didnt seem to be publicised anyway. Wouldn't have mattered to much with my luck today I think..
Can anyone brought up in Belfast in the 1970's look past "Tank Top" in the first race??? ;D
Quote from: Rav67 on March 11, 2009, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 10, 2009, 09:58:41 PM
I had 3 winners out of 6 in my place pot and still didn't make money!!
A guy who sits beside me had £5 free bet in Ladbrokes and picked the first 2 winners in a double and won over £600.
He thinks its too easy now...Any one in Belfast tomorrow get into Ladbrokes and register your name for a free fiver bet every day!
I take it that offer is nationwide...I was in a Ladbrokes the day the offer didnt seem to be publicised anyway. Wouldn't have mattered to much with my luck today I think..
The "Odds On" offer is all over. It's like a supermarket loyalty card scheme where you get bonus points when you make a bet. They give you 200 points to start off. The girl in the bookies said to me that the launch offer was a free £5 bet every day during Cheltenham. She didn't say it had to be at Cheltenham but it would be worth checking out.
Some early movement in the betting (Ladbrokes)
No surprise that Wichita Lineman is withdrawn from the first race.
1:30
Can't Buy Time 7/2
Niche Market 6/1
Parsons Pistol was in at 10's but back out to 12/1 from 14/1
3:20
Petit Robin and Twist Magic both cut to 16's from 20's
My selections today...
Gee Dee Nen - Coral Cup
Shinrock Paddy - Bumper
Rite of Passage - Bumper
Mad Max - Ballymore
Carruthers - RSA
Well Chief w/o Master Minded - Champ Chase
Quote from: bennydorano on March 10, 2009, 03:43:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 23, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
TAC I wouldn't waste your money on Punjabi, a horse I thought was going to make it, but it's been shocking lately (Cert now to win at 20's!)
Hope you didn't listen to me TAC. Stinker of a day so far.
Didn't listen to ya thankfully Benny ;D Would have never forgiven myself if I'd backed out! Some finish to the race - was going buck mad in the Bot between classes. Easy to say in hindsight but it had been placed in the same race last year and showed decent form before Christmas (2nd to Binocular I think in the Fighting Fifth?). Gave him a fool's pardon for the fall (unlikely to happen twice in 1 season for a hurdler) and since the trainer was warning before his last race that he was out of form, I ignored that when the trainer was being positive about his chances in this one.
Someone was saying yesterday that Binocular didnt get up the hill. After clearing the last at one point he had about 3 lengths to find as beaten less than a length so probably an unfair assessment.
Tommy French are going even dough Master Minded for the next ten minutes...
Get on.
Im on the following today
1.30 Cant buy time
2.05 Mikael D'Haugenet
2.40 Cooldine
4.00 Paws and Clause
Have a few each way singles on for bit of interest through the day.
1.30 Coe
3.20 Briareus
4.00 Ninetieth Minute
4.40 Brusilini
5.15 Shinrock Paddy
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 11:06:52 AM
Tommy French are going even dough Master Minded for the next ten minutes...
Get on.
Offer expired now but plenty of ppl got on at evens, money from america.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 11:06:52 AM
Tommy French are going even dough Master Minded for the next ten minutes...
Get on.
Are u serious? Sent u a pm there!
ONL what do you think of master minded?? thinking of lumping on him
L15
Kornati Kid
Diamond Harry
Cooldine
Master Minded
E/W Lucky 15
Killyglen
Big Zeb
Lough Derg
Cadspeed
e/w doubles & trebles also
Just a few to pass the day. having a big play on diamond harry though, whos my good thing of the week (at a decent price anyhow)
Quote from: new devil on March 11, 2009, 11:24:45 AM
ONL what do you think of master minded?? thinking of lumping on him
The best chaser I have seen in the last years over 2miles, as long as he jumps he will win with a lot to spare... Only thing could go again him is maybe another donkey making a mistake and taking him down, apart from that whenever I have seen him his jumping is flawless and has serious speed.
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 11, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 11:06:52 AM
Tommy French are going even dough Master Minded for the next ten minutes...
Get on.
Are u serious? Sent u a pm there!
100% serious... Could not believe it, but he has generated some amount of buzz anyway, I shouted it down the shop there, nobody wanted to do it, I shouted again this is the bet of the year, old fellas dont know they are born!!
Then a few shrewdies twigged on and lumped on...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: new devil on March 11, 2009, 11:24:45 AM
ONL what do you think of master minded?? thinking of lumping on him
The best chaser I have seen in the last years over 2miles, as long as he jumps he will win with a lot to spare... Only thing could go again him is maybe another donkey making a mistake and taking him down, apart from that whenever I have seen him his jumping is flawless and has serious speed.
Agree 100% ONL...but still will be giving 1/3 a miss. I'm having a look at Santa's Son @16/1 w/o Master Minded...any thoughts??
A little birdie has wispered into my ear as regards the 14.05
Said an e/w on China Rock (a Mouse Morris nag) could pay dividends. Currently in the 20s.
Terms and conditions apply. You should seek independent advice before investing.
£5 E/W double
1.30
Nine De Sivola
3.20
Big Zeb
Lucky 15
2.05 Diamond Harry
2.40 Cooldine
4.00 Franchoek
4.40 Ronaldo des Motes
Not remotely confident today
Parson's Pistol
Karabak
Cooldine (also concludes a treble with Garde Champetre and Que Vega)
Big Zeb
Psycho/Lough Derg
Miss Sarenne
Sicilian Secret
Each way lucky 15 today Master Minded, Cooldine, Karabak and Franchoek!
Absolutely bogged on Rite of passage in the bumper at 9/2 - big chance i hope!
Is it just me or is today a very uninspiring card as a result of the extra day added a couple of years ago? Maybe ONL can give us a more informed view, but there are very few top quality nags sticking out (M Minded apart).
Money for Parson's Pistol in the first in to 8/1
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 11, 2009, 12:35:45 PM
Is it just me or is today a very uninspiring card as a result of the extra day added a couple of years ago? Maybe ONL can give us a more informed view, but there are very few top quality nags sticking out (M Minded apart).
I have only got into racing about three years ago once I got a part time job in the bookies but I have always thought that thursday was the worst day under the new format... At least today there is a proper championship race, the World Hurdle doesnt really fill me with hope tomorrow... Maybe this is because of me losing a pack on Black Jack Ketchum the other year...
I like todays novice races, we have the future Godl Cup stars running in the RSA Chase and the top hurdlers/chasers in the Ballymore... I fancy Mad Max to go on to bigger things over fences, potentially a Gold Cup winner...
The Bumper is a race I always enjoy as well, due to the Irish domination and you can then pick out your novice hurdling prospects for next year...
Karabak, carruthers, the polomoche and shinrock paddy is my e/w yankee today, will have a few other e/w punts but dont feel confident today at all
Lucky 15
Parsons Pistol
Mikael D'Haguenet
Cooldine
Master Minded
For anyone that is interested, the Ladbrokes £5 free bet does not have to be at Cheltenham or indeed horse racing.
Lucky 15
Masterminded
Cooldine
Sicilian Secret
Diamond Harry
i'd settle for a few places today.... build up the oul kitty for tomorrow and fri.....
today
parsons pistol
mad max
casey jones
masterminded
lough derg
satican
by gone of brid
Not much confidence for my chances today:
Lucky31:
Coe
Gone to lunch
Great endeavour
Love and glory
Mad max
13:30 Cheltenham Kornati Kid
13:30 Cheltenham Drumconvis EW
14:05 Cheltenham Mad Max
14:40 Cheltenham Carruthers
15:20 Cheltenham Master Minded
16:00 Cheltenham Great Endeavour
16:40 Cheltenham Mr Thriller
17:15 Cheltenham Rite Of Passage
Heres mine
Parsons Pistol
Junior
Killyglen
Big Zeb
Great Endeavour
Higgys Boys
Quel Esprit
My Picks
1:30 - Kornati Kid
2:05 - Karabak
2:40 - Lightning Strike
3:20 - Big Zeb
gowan tricky ya boy ya
must have been heavily backed so i stuck £1ew at 14s
£2.50 e/w on Nina de sivola so a start if nothing else.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 11, 2009, 01:46:34 PM
£2.50 e/w on Nina de sivola so a start if nothing else.
Those Sivola horses are worth keeping an eye out for, Ferdy trains the lot of them, some good prospects
aw man .......... nina down :-\
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 11, 2009, 01:46:34 PM
£2.50 e/w on Nina de sivola so a start if nothing else.
Those Sivola horses are worth keeping an eye out for, Ferdy trains the lot of them, some good prospects
Noted, looked to be coming well at the end too, if it was a 5m race... :P
Lucky 15- Parson's Pistol, Cooldine, Master minded, Psycho.
Working is shite. Any links to listen to the races? That justintv one yesterday didn't work too well.
Any live TV links Lads?
Ruby does it again! Neville Ring 2 naps in 2 days! ;D ;D
Live stream here http://www.justin.tv/jungledragon1
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 11, 2009, 02:12:08 PM
Ruby does it again! Neville Ring 2 naps in 2 days! ;D ;D
Hes still shite! ;)
€2 yankee
2:40 Cooldine
3:20 Petit Robin
4:40 Ski Sunday
5:15 Rite of Passage
Ten spot at 3/1 with PP so doing ok after yesterdays bloodbath!
this neville ring must know is stuff ;)
That links is broken Doogie?
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:16:56 PM
this neville ring must know is stuff ;)
:D
Ive a secret for ya, I AM Neville Ring, I have been keeping ya's going all along!!
Matermind - very short price - will the bookies take him on ??
Having a bad f**king festival.
i am not an experienced gambler at all
but done a bit of research today and yesterday humped on a few bets and am down money bout £30.00 on 1st two races
i put money on to win and one each way
my next two, are 1 each way and one on the nose about £45 altodther
is this the wrong way to go about having a flutter, i hear talk of yankees and doubles and acculators but i understand none of it
would i be better picking a few and spreading less money??
Quote from: orangeman on March 11, 2009, 02:21:22 PM
Matermind - very short price - will the bookies take him on ??
We were giving evens on him there earlier... A publicity stunt though as everyone knows the horse will win the race even if it ran backwards doing flips.
;)
Quote from: its me again on March 11, 2009, 02:22:38 PM
i am not an experienced gambler at all
but done a bit of research today and yesterday humped on a few bets and am down money bout £30.00 on 1st two races
i put money on to win and one each way
my next two, are 1 each way and one on the nose about £45 altodther
is this the wrong way to go about having a flutter, i hear talk of yankees and doubles and acculators but i understand none of it
would i be better picking a few and spreading less money??
The bookies love to see you doing yankees, lucky15s etc as this is where they make most of their money...
I would recommend doing each way singles, but only if the horse is above 4/1 as if it is below this price and it places then you will be losing money
I don't understand people who do doubles and trebles etc when if they click they don't get at least their stake money back?? Stupid.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:16:56 PM
this neville ring must know is stuff ;)
:D
Ive a secret for ya, I AM Neville Ring, I have been keeping ya's going all along!!
No I am Neville Ring.
ive had the 1st two 2day, small bets because im not expert like ONL
its me again that seems like crazy money your throwing away if u dont know what your at. the crunch mustnt have hit your pocket ;)
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 11, 2009, 02:21:22 PM
Matermind - very short price - will the bookies take him on ??
We were giving evens on him there earlier... A publicity stunt though as everyone knows the horse will win the race even if it ran backwards doing flips.
;)
who ever neville ring says will win then i'm backing him. top tipster so far!!! :)
Another thing to bear in mind esp in the QM today is to back to place rather than e/w with such a heavily fancied favourite.
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:27:45 PM
ive had the 1st two 2day, small bets because im not expert like ONL
its me again that seems like crazy money your throwing away if u dont know what your at. the crunch mustnt have hit your pocket ;)
Expert!! Ha, first time I have been called that... Na I am not an expert by any means!!
The credit crunch is hitting everyone, its just I am prepared to lose a lot in the hope that I will get my big wins some days...
Plus if I had not got a big win on the Arkle there yesterday I would not have bet as much on the Champion Hurdle and the rest of the races... I always set myself an amount to stick to, like twenty a race then if I get an early win then I up my stakes...
This way I don't lose more than I can afford...
anytime i lump on a horse, particularly at cheltenham, it gets beat. Franhok, kauto and binocular all string to mind but master mind keeps screaming at me to lump on.
what you wreckon ONL?
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:32:07 PM
anytime i lump on a horse, particularly at cheltenham, it gets beat. Franhok, kauto and binocular all string to mind but master mind keeps screaming at me to lump on.
what you wreckon ONL?
Cheltenham is notorious for having so called bankers, that get turned over... These horses do well all year, but at the same time other horses are getting put away, getting wrapped in cotton wool, preserving their handicap marks/prices for the festival, so anything can happen...
Last year only 2 favourites out of 25 races won...
This year seems more punter friendly, with 3 already obliging....
Re: Master Minded I think this horse is the real deal, its a super horse and I cannot see it getting beat today...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:27:45 PM
ive had the 1st two 2day, small bets because im not expert like ONL
its me again that seems like crazy money your throwing away if u dont know what your at. the crunch mustnt have hit your pocket ;)
Expert!! Ha, first time I have been called that... Na I am not an expert by any means!!
The credit crunch is hitting everyone, its just I am prepared to lose a lot in the hope that I will get my big wins some days...
Plus if I had not got a big win on the Arkle there yesterday I would not have bet as much on the Champion Hurdle and the rest of the races... I always set myself an amount to stick to, like twenty a race then if I get an early win then I up my stakes...
This way I don't lose more than I can afford...
Was referring to its me again with the credit crunch. he stands to lose 75 in the first few races today but i hope he turns it around
RE:master mind your prob right but was Kauto not in the same boat last year. might skip the race and save it for the footy tonight
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:32:07 PM
anytime i lump on a horse, particularly at cheltenham, it gets beat. Franhok, kauto and binocular all string to mind but master mind keeps screaming at me to lump on.
what you wreckon ONL?
One for the road...everyone has their own betting philosophies and while I think that Master Minded will have time to stop for a nosebag and still win, I just refuse to back at 1/3. Risk vs Reward. Lots of people will see this as a cert and lump on at 1/3 and best of good luck to them, just not my cup of tea.
folks in the tote placepot is it always only the 1st 3?
Quote from: lfdown2 on March 11, 2009, 02:38:37 PM
folks in the tote placepot is it always only the 1st 3?
Handicaps with more than 16runners pay first four
Thank the Lord for Ruby in the 2.05.
First place, never mind winner, of the first two days. First up in Lucky 15, Come on Carruthers.
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:27:45 PM
ive had the 1st two 2day, small bets because im not expert like ONL
its me again that seems like crazy money your throwing away if u dont know what your at. the crunch mustnt have hit your pocket ;)
Expert!! Ha, first time I have been called that... Na I am not an expert by any means!!
The credit crunch is hitting everyone, its just I am prepared to lose a lot in the hope that I will get my big wins some days...
Plus if I had not got a big win on the Arkle there yesterday I would not have bet as much on the Champion Hurdle and the rest of the races... I always set myself an amount to stick to, like twenty a race then if I get an early win then I up my stakes...
This way I don't lose more than I can afford...
Was referring to its me again with the credit crunch. he stands to lose 75 in the first few races today but i hope he turns it around
RE:master mind your prob right but was Kauto not in the same boat last year. might skip the race and save it for the footy tonight
Na Kauto was going into the race last year with question marks over his jumping, plus he had the up and coming stable mate who had beaten everything he had came across...
Master Minded has been in a league of his own all year in the two mile chases, nobody can get near him and the odds reflect this
For an inexperienced punter like yourself though I would say swerve this race, or take someone in the without Master Minded betting... Not worth it IMO unless you are punting big money, even though I don't like backing 1/3 shots... Not for me...
was the first race handicapped?
though most races were?
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 11, 2009, 02:37:33 PM
Quote from: one for the road on March 11, 2009, 02:32:07 PM
anytime i lump on a horse, particularly at cheltenham, it gets beat. Franhok, kauto and binocular all string to mind but master mind keeps screaming at me to lump on.
what you wreckon ONL?
One for the road...everyone has their own betting philosophies and while I think that Master Minded will have time to stop for a nosebag and still win, I just refuse to back at 1/3. Risk vs Reward. Lots of people will see this as a cert and lump on at 1/3 and best of good luck to them, just not my cup of tea.
Ive the same opinion as yourself I have in the past and it didnt payoff so im avoiding it
COOLDINE GOOOOOOOOOAWWWWNNNNNNNNNNN
Cooldine by a mile!!
Quote from: lfdown2 on March 11, 2009, 02:45:43 PM
was the first race handicapped?
though most races were?
No it wasnt a handicap, the only handicaps today are the Coral Cup (4.00pm) and the Fred Winter (4.40pm)
Fiver each way on MM at 12's, so something back from first 3 today, not bad going. Ahem, another Itchy Ring slection wins!
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
€2 yankee
2:40 Cooldine
3:20 Petit Robin
4:40 Ski Sunday
5:15 Rite of Passage
Good man Ruby beat her up the hill!!!!!!!!
Not having any luck today, Petit Robin in the 3:20.
6 irish wins,
the only English voices I've heard are the commentators!
man having a bad day so far......... :-\
thanks for the concern One for the Road but its £45 for the day (the biggest sum ever i ahve bet on anything)
if i dont get money back today i will not bet any more this week
thanks as well ONL i ll stick to the each way punts from now on
i have big Zeb each way at 3.20 and tony mccoy horse at 5.15
have i any chance of getting money back?
Quote from: leenie on March 11, 2009, 03:09:59 PM
man having a bad day so far......... :-\
Could be worse leenie - ya could be stuck in class like me :(. Haven't bet at all today cos I hate not seeing the races I've bet on. Didn't realise Lough Derg was running at 4 though. Definitely. Must have an each way chance even with the wait. Can only afford to take Friday afternoon off so looking forward to that. ;D
Masterminded drifting ever so slightly -
Quote from: orangeman on March 11, 2009, 03:13:58 PM
Masterminded drifting ever so slightly -
PP radio are raving about him. Looks fantastic in the parade...
We were giving 8/13 before the off there, all my afternoon punters were yapping they missed the evens earlier... None of them would take it, they would sit and yap all day but when it came down to it they didnt have the balls...
8/13 is some price there for it....
lads im crap at working out odds and winnings. Any1 help me out....
Had Diamond Harry and Well Chief in a £2.50 e/w double. How much will i get?
Last of the big spenders me!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 03:34:51 PM
We were giving 8/13 before the off there, all my afternoon punters were yapping they missed the evens earlier... None of them would take it, they would sit and yap all day but when it came down to it they didnt have the balls...
8/13 is some price there for it....
What did you have on Well Chief w/o MM?
Im on lucky 15 e/w at the moment..... a 4th and 2 winners ....if Pause and Cluase comes in ....im laughing !
1.30 Cant buy time
2.05 Mikael D'Haugenet
2.40 Cooldine
4.00 Paws and Clause
Quote from: toiletroller on March 11, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
lads im crap at working out odds and winnings. Any1 help me out....
Had Diamond Harry and Well Chief in a £2.50 e/w double. How much will i get?
Last of the big spenders me!
9/2 odds on both.
Treble for Ruby - top jockey sealed ??
Quote from: toiletroller on March 11, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
lads im crap at working out odds and winnings. Any1 help me out....
Had Diamond Harry and Well Chief in a £2.50 e/w double. How much will i get?
Last of the big spenders me!
If its 1/4 the odds then you get
£11.29
I take it the 9/2 was betting without Master Minded??
Quote from: orangeman on March 11, 2009, 03:40:27 PM
Treble for Ruby - top jockey sealed ??
You would think so, thats four winners he has now and in previous years that has been enough to win it...
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 11, 2009, 03:37:56 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 03:34:51 PM
We were giving 8/13 before the off there, all my afternoon punters were yapping they missed the evens earlier... None of them would take it, they would sit and yap all day but when it came down to it they didnt have the balls...
8/13 is some price there for it....
What did you have on Well Chief w/o MM?
As I said in the thread earlier I forgot my bank card :-\
And all the cash that i had, about twenty odd quid was stuck on Mad Max earlier!!! Disaster
lough derg has to be a good e/w bet in the coral.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMqt1hWyfR4
:D :D :D
Quote from: bridgegael on March 11, 2009, 03:49:28 PM
lough derg has to be a good e/w bet in the coral.
I agree, wish I had some dough on me would back it and Gee Dee Nen each ways...
O Ruby Howl her back, giver her a crack and up she gooeeeeessss
ruby to keep his good running going i think, 14/1 quite juicy.
geraghty to get the fav into one of the five places at 5/4, has to be as solid as anything I can think of...
Quote from: Joxer on March 11, 2009, 04:02:00 PM
O Ruby Howl her back, giver her a crack and up she gooeeeeessss
your going to run away with the fantasy league joxer!!
Follow the ring Our Nail, follow the Ring :P
Im gona go all out tmrw and put 20 quid on , is there any sites i can get 20 free for signing up. Also how do ya do a lucky 15 online? I havnt a clue about these things
PP giving out on the first 5 home at 4:00...what was finishing order if anyone has it? Cheers
WTF happened Lough Dearg...I thought if anything he'd give us a good run (usually does) and run into a place but he just couldn't hack it for some reason >:(
Quote from: illdecide on March 11, 2009, 04:12:36 PM
WTF happened Lough Dearg...I thought if anything he'd give us a good run (usually does) and run into a place but he just couldn't hack it for some reason >:(
You put the blink on it talking about it earlier on...
1st 7 Ninetieth Minute (IRE) 14/1 Winning jockey P W Flood
2nd 13 Mirage Dore (FR) 14/1
3rd 20 Pause And Clause (IRE) 9/1
4th 25 Star of Angels 40/1
Dunno what was 5th
Quote from: Longfordian on March 11, 2009, 03:39:15 PM
Im on lucky 15 e/w at the moment..... a 4th and 2 winners ....if Pause and Cluase comes in ....im laughing !
1.30 Cant buy time
2.05 Mikael D'Haugenet
2.40 Cooldine
4.00 Paws and Clause
Have ye lifted the load yet longfordian?
mine were crap Kawagino 5th
Quote from: tyrone girl on March 11, 2009, 04:12:15 PM
Im gona go all out tmrw and put 20 quid on , is there any sites i can get 20 free for signing up. Also how do ya do a lucky 15 online? I havnt a clue about these things
not like ya to spend!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: tyrone girl on March 11, 2009, 04:12:15 PM
Im gona go all out tmrw and put 20 quid on , is there any sites i can get 20 free for signing up. Also how do ya do a lucky 15 online? I havnt a clue about these things
Most online bookies now have offers, just do a google search and see which one you wanna join...
Then when you are there you will click into the races and tick the boxes beside the horses, they will then go into a virtual bet slip for you which you can select lucky fifteen from a list of bet types..
Cheers onl, il take a look tmrw and see how i get on. Any probs il come on here. I wont have a clue but sure its just for fun.
As for not spendin ????? Like u would feckin know what i do ::)
has mccoys horse at 5.25 any chance or is my day a wash out?????????? ???
Quote from: its me again on March 11, 2009, 04:28:54 PM
has mccoys horse at 5.25 any chance or is my day a wash out?????????? ???
rite of passage seems to be a big fav in that race, but sure if we knew what was going to win, we'd all be rich :). so ya never know!!
Alexander servus to win on the bridle i'm told!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: toiletroller on March 11, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
lads im crap at working out odds and winnings. Any1 help me out....
Had Diamond Harry and Well Chief in a £2.50 e/w double. How much will i get?
Last of the big spenders me!
If its 1/4 the odds then you get
£11.29
I take it the 9/2 was betting without Master Minded??
Dunno just noticed 9/2 against each race on my docket ???
Im on lucky 15 e/w at the moment..... a 4th and 2 winners ....if Pause and Cluase comes in ....im laughing !
1.30 Cant buy time 4th @ 4/1
2.05 Mikael D'Haugenet 1st @ 5/2
2.40 Cooldine 1st @ 9/4
4.00 Paws and Clause 3rd @ 9/1
still at work Subbie .... a fella I work with only reckons I pulled 100 ! ....first time I've dont a lucky 15 e/w ....so havent a clue what I got
How much you stick on it I will count it for you
cheers Nail ....
I had 1 euro e/w ....so 30 euro in total ....odds on previous post ...appreciate it !
Quote from: Longfordian on March 11, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
cheers Nail ....
I had 1 euro e/w ....so 30 euro in total ....odds on previous post ...appreciate it !
£102.89 on my genie... Not bad going!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 11, 2009, 04:12:36 PM
WTF happened Lough Dearg...I thought if anything he'd give us a good run (usually does) and run into a place but he just couldn't hack it for some reason >:(
You put the blink on it talking about it earlier on...
Tell me about it...i'd stop the enterprise :D
cheers Nail ! .....thanks for that !
not the best of days just a first and place but hoping by gone of brid will do it for me in the 5.15
kitty is low for tomorrows bets.... might have to add to it!
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
€2 yankee
2:40 Cooldine
3:20 Petit Robin
4:40 Ski Sunday
5:15 Rite of Passage
Good man Ruby beat her up the hill!!!!!!!!
Should have said its a €2 e/w yankee ski sunday has just kept he lit for me just need Rite of Passage to do anything at all for me !!! With any luck Smullen will beat her up the hill as well :P although these bumpers are a total lottery
Absolutely cleaned :'( but sure there still 2 more days ;D
Anyone know if Ladbrokes pay out 4 places on the 440?
Quote from: Mickey Linden on March 11, 2009, 05:10:38 PM
Anyone know if Ladbrokes pay out 4 places on the 440?
We did. Should have done your bet with us Mickey... We also went 8/13 Master Minded just before the off, how sick am I forgetting my f**king bank card
where do you work Niall, might pay you a visit tomorrow.
Bloody hell, that Dunguib was a bit impressive!!!
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 11, 2009, 11:12:31 AM
Have a few each way singles on for bit of interest through the day.
1.30 Coe
3.20 Briareus
4.00 Ninetieth Minute
4.40 Brusilini
5.15 Shinrock Paddy
Couple of fallers with Coe and Briareus when they had place claims but Ninetieth Minute made sure i was green for the day, could have been worse.
One Neville Ring, theres only one Neville Ring...
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
€2 yankee
2:40 Cooldine
3:20 Petit Robin
4:40 Ski Sunday
5:15 Rite of Passage
Good man Ruby beat her up the hill!!!!!!!!
That Dunguib is some steed all right though at least young smullen kept her lit to keep me yankee going, have just lifted €220 from d bookie,sweet, can play with Mr Hacketts money all day d moro ;D ;D ;D
Should have said its a €2 e/w yankee ski sunday has just kept he lit for me just need Rite of Passage to do anything at all for me !!! With any luck Smullen will beat her up the hill as well :P although these bumpers are a total lottery
Nail- what time does the nth st open in the morning this week?
Quote from: stiffler on March 11, 2009, 05:38:06 PM
Nail- what time does the nth st open in the morning this week?
I am in by half8 but I lock the door after me so I can watch The Morning Line in peace but I would think about opening up for you if you knocked!!
Quote from: toiletroller on March 11, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
where do you work Niall, might pay you a visit tomorrow.
Lurgan...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 11, 2009, 05:38:06 PM
Nail- what time does the nth st open in the morning this week?
I am in by half8 but I lock the door after me so I can watch The Morning Line in peace but I would think about opening up for you if you knocked!!
Good man, il be in in the morning.
stopped outside the place yesterday, but seen it was closed. have been going to sean stinking grahams all week!!
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on March 11, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
€2 yankee
2:40 Cooldine
3:20 Petit Robin
4:40 Ski Sunday
5:15 Rite of Passage
Good man Ruby beat her up the hill!!!!!!!!
That Dunguib is some steed all right though at least young smullen kept her lit to keep me yankee going, have just lifted €220 from d bookie,sweet, can play with Mr Hacketts money all day d moro ;D ;D ;D
Should have said its a €2 e/w yankee ski sunday has just kept he lit for me just need Rite of Passage to do anything at all for me !!! With any luck Smullen will beat her up the hill as well :P although these bumpers are a total lottery
Beat her up the hill young smullen ;D ;D ;D ;D Fair paly to rite of passage, just lifted €220 from the bookie, sweet, I'll be able to play all day d moro with Mr Hacketts money ;D ;D
Quote from: stiffler on March 11, 2009, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 11, 2009, 05:38:06 PM
Nail- what time does the nth st open in the morning this week?
I am in by half8 but I lock the door after me so I can watch The Morning Line in peace but I would think about opening up for you if you knocked!!
Good man, il be in in the morning.
stopped outside the place yesterday, but seen it was closed. have been going to sean stinking grahams all week!!
What time did you go past?? I was probably inside!! Have been in for about 8.25 last two mornings I just leave the shutters down so no pukes come in and annoy me...
aye about quarter to 9.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 10, 2009, 04:40:19 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Neville Ring couldn't pick his hole!!
:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
The man's a hero!! 5 winners out of 7 today and I followed him all the way. ;D ;D
Anybody got a link to Neville's tips for tomorrow?
great day ;)
one winner on a lucky 15 with work mate. got one the day before. down but not out ;)
Quote from: milltown row on March 11, 2009, 07:43:03 PM
one winner on a lucky 15 with work mate. got one the day before. down but not out ;)
3 winners on the Lucky 15 today, one was Master Minded though.........
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on March 11, 2009, 07:26:38 PM
Anybody got a link to Neville's tips for tomorrow?
Won't be up until tomorrow morning... Yeah the man is a hero picking out favourites, well done Nev...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 09:15:11 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on March 11, 2009, 07:26:38 PM
Anybody got a link to Neville's tips for tomorrow?
Won't be up until tomorrow morning... Yeah the man is a hero picking out favourites, well done Nev...
Ninetieth Minute 14-1
Dunguib 9-2
Neither were favorites but hey don't let the facts get in the way. Anyway favorites or not a winner is a winner. 5 out of 7 is excellent tipping at Cheltenham. Anyone who followed his advice today will be very happy this evening.
Had 50ew on DUNGUIB
150 on master minded,united and barca
so not a bad day...lets hope today is even better :)
Quote from: hardstation on March 11, 2009, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 11, 2009, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 11, 2009, 09:15:11 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on March 11, 2009, 07:26:38 PM
Anybody got a link to Neville's tips for tomorrow?
Won't be up until tomorrow morning... Yeah the man is a hero picking out favourites, well done Nev...
Ninetieth Minute 14-1
Dunguib 9-2
Neither were favorites but hey don't let the facts get in the way. Anyway favorites or not a winner is a winner. 5 out of 7 is excellent tipping at Cheltenham. Anyone who followed his advice today will be very happy this evening.
Correct.
It could be that Our Nail (the statto/horsie know all) is having a bit of a Cheltenham 'mare'.
*Our Nail hides in corner crying stabbing his Hardstation voodoo doll with a knitting needle*
After doing Nevilles picks in a E/W lucky 15 with the exception of Voy and Kashbah
Mad f**ker I am
NAP of the day Nail??
What were his picks?
Could someone throw rings picks today for us not at home!
To be fair nail, never thought much of him either
Here is the Ringster's tips today:
1.30 - Jaamid
2.05 - Galient
2.40 - Voy por Estudes
3.20 - Kasbah Bliss
4.00 - Finger on the pulse (dbl)
4.40 - Poker de sivola (nap)
Only six races at Cheltenham this afternoon, but four of them are tremendously difficult handicaps, with many of the top English trainers tending towards multiple representation.
The World Hurdle is the Grade One centrepiece and this three-miler is one that constantly eludes Irish trainers.
There hasn't been an Irish winner of the World Hurdle since Dorans Pride justified favouritism back in 1995 under Shane Broderick.
Our current crop of staying hurdlers, with the exception of an absent Catch Me, lacks anything in the form of quality.
Powerstation has run well at previous Festivals and had been supported at big prices for this Grade One before his Maze defeat in February by a horse 20lb inferior on ratings.
He gives the impression of being one of the biggest dodge-pots in Irish racing. He has ability but just doesn't go through with his effort yet seems to excel when running in top company.
Decent ground would be in his favour, but he would want to be at extreme odds to attract, although his placed form around Cheltenham includes a second to Fair Along last November and and a couple of seconds to Black Jack Ketchum in the past.
Against the best French stayer Kasbah Bliss, none of our three runners – Shakervilz, Whatuthink or Powerstation – can hope to emerge on top, even in the battle for places against the likes of Punchestowns and Big Buck's, and this hasn't been a race for outsiders.
Voy Por Ustedes has been a short-priced favourite for the Grade One, two-mile-five-furlong chase since his impressive 14-length romp in the Grade 1 Ascot Chase a month ago. He's twice a course winner here over fences and left-handed is the way he prefers to go.
He's a long way ahead of the best of ours, Schindlers Hunt, which looked thoroughly disenchanted with the game when toiling home in second place behind Carthalawn last month at Naas.
Headed two out and just plugged on at the one pace, he would need to be totally revitalised to be a player here, although, to be fair, better ground compared to those filthy conditions at Naas would be a help.
Tom Taaffe's Finger Onthe Pulse landed a gamble in the Jewson Novice Handicap Chase here 12 months ago and despite a first fence blunder at Thurles in January when he unseated Paddy Flood, looks best of ours in the new race for the Freddie Williams Festival Plate.
Rated 6lb higher in this handicap chase than he is at home, Finger Onthe Pulse has Tommy Stack's Perce Rock to beat.
In the opening Jewson, I'm inclined towards Jaamid as an each-way possibility.
Tony Martin can do little right this year and his lack of fortune continued with Drumconvis in yesterday's opener.
In his current form, it isn't easy to make serious cases for his runners in the handicaps, despite the fact that he uses Ruby Walsh on both Northern Alliance in the Jewson and Green Mile in the Pertemps Final, and Paul Carberry on Clarified in the Freddie Williams Festival Plate.
He has two declared for the Kim Muir – Newbay Prop and Aggie's Lad – but this is a race, a low grade event by Cheltenham standards, that hasn't provided an Irish-trained winner since Greasepaint succeeded back in 1985.
The Pertemps has been won by an Irish runner five times over the last 16 years but P'tit Fute, successful in the Leopardstown qualifier in January off 123, has to race off 150 here as top weight. Hard to fancy in the circumstances.
Green Mile was a 25/1 chance when making some late progress under a 7lb claimer to finish eighth behind An Cathaoir Mor in a Naas handicap last month.
He's 5lb higher here but you're looking for a miracle. It doesn't look a day for the Irish after two brilliant days so far.
NEVILLE'S PICKS
1.30 Jaamid
2.05 Galient
2.40 Voy Por Ustedes
3.20 Kasbah Bliss
4.00 Finger Onthe Pulse (Dbl)
4.40 Poker de Sivola (Nap
I see big Nev has been following my posts after me saying the other day about watching out for the horses with sivola in their name from Ferdy Murphys yard... His nap of the day Poker de Sivola!
:D
Anyone have any thoughts on Fair Along in the 3.20? Thinkin of throwin it into todays mix
Well guys and gals,
what are the main tips of the day?
Like the look of Kia Kaha in the first today, 8/1 at the minute
I'm looking at Poker De Sivola in the 4:40, Nina Carberry on board, currently 11/2 with Ladbrokes.
BTW two early non runners today
2:05 Hills of Aran
4:00 Borora
Today I am going mostly each way on Tony Martin in the handicaps. Northern Alliance and Green Mile
Then the bookie bashing double (if this double comes up I can really wave goodbye to my Cheltenham bonus) of Voy Por Ustedes and Kasbah Bliss...
Also as I said earlier in the week, I like Poker De Sivola in the last, Neville Ring has copied me and put this as his nap today, what a scud.
Green mile in the 2.05
I'm sweating. On horse no 5 of a Heinz, if Punchestowns can pull the miracle I'll have a grand for my troubles regardless of what Ebadiyan does tomorrow.
And now I've jinxed it for sure.
Lucky 15 for the day
Chapoturgeon
Ballydub
Voy Por Ustedes
Kasbah Bliss
If nothing comes of it may have to go with Nina in the 4.40 to get a bit of profit for the day
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 12, 2009, 10:38:57 AM
Today I am going mostly each way on Tony Martin in the handicaps. Northern Alliance and Green Mile
Then the bookie bashing double (if this double comes up I can really wave goodbye to my Cheltenham bonus) of Voy Por Ustedes and Kasbah Bliss...
Also as I said earlier in the week, I like Poker De Sivola in the last, Neville Ring has copied me and put this as his nap today, what a scud.
Hope you're right. This has to be the most popular bet of the day and i would imagine fill out a few doubles and trebles.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 12, 2009, 10:38:57 AM
Today I am going mostly each way on Tony Martin in the handicaps. Northern Alliance and Green Mile
Then the bookie bashing double (if this double comes up I can really wave goodbye to my Cheltenham bonus) of Voy Por Ustedes and Kasbah Bliss...
Also as I said earlier in the week, I like Poker De Sivola in the last, Neville Ring has copied me and put this as his nap today, what a scud.
Nail, am I right in thinking the bookie bashing double of VPU and KB currently 11/10 and 6/5 will pay about 7/2?? Too early for me to work it out myself!!
Quote from: Treasurer on March 12, 2009, 10:43:15 AM
I'm sweating. On horse no 5 of a Heinz, if Punchestowns can pull the miracle I'll have a grand for my troubles regardless of what Ebadiyan does tomorrow.
And now I've jinxed it for sure.
Best of good luck Treasurer, you deserve it for keeping the comp going!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 12, 2009, 10:47:24 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 12, 2009, 10:38:57 AM
Today I am going mostly each way on Tony Martin in the handicaps. Northern Alliance and Green Mile
Then the bookie bashing double (if this double comes up I can really wave goodbye to my Cheltenham bonus) of Voy Por Ustedes and Kasbah Bliss...
Also as I said earlier in the week, I like Poker De Sivola in the last, Neville Ring has copied me and put this as his nap today, what a scud.
Nail, am I right in thinking the bookie bashing double of VPU and KB currently 11/10 and 6/5 will pay about 7/2?? Too early for me to work it out myself!!
Pays just over 7/2, 4.62 for a quid stake...
Quote from: Treasurer on March 12, 2009, 10:43:15 AM
I'm sweating. On horse no 5 of a Heinz, if Punchestowns can pull the miracle I'll have a grand for my troubles regardless of what Ebadiyan does tomorrow.
And now I've jinxed it for sure.
Aw Treas you shouldn't have posted it up!!
Fingers crossed for ya anyway... Good Luck
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 12, 2009, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: Treasurer on March 12, 2009, 10:43:15 AM
I'm sweating. On horse no 5 of a Heinz, if Punchestowns can pull the miracle I'll have a grand for my troubles regardless of what Ebadiyan does tomorrow.
And now I've jinxed it for sure.
Aw Treas you shouldn't have posted it up!!
Fingers crossed for ya anyway... Good Luck
I know, I know, I know!
lads ,
what would you reckon to finger on the pulse ?....going to bring him into a win treble with voy and kasbah ....
We are going 85/20 on the VPU and KB double, pays 5.25 for a pound....
I think it is a good thing...
If you fancy Kauto Star as well then its 14/1 the treble...
Got the following preview.
They have been having a great week.
ONL what does the bit in bold mean
QuoteA few reasons to oppose the favourite, KASBAH BLISS. Firstly, favourites have a poor record in this race. Only three of the last 10 have succeeded. Secondly, he has been beaten in the last two runnings of this event. Thirdly, he has only had one run this season and the stats tell us that you need to have seen a racecourse at least twice but perhaps, no more than four times. Eight of the last 10 winners bear that statement out.
Looking for horses we can certainly exclude, we can eliminate horses that finished worse than fourth on their last racecourse appearance. AFSOUN, BLAZING BAILEY, MIGHTY MAN, NO REFUGE, PETITFOUR.....all have it to do. Nine of the last ten winners had finished first or second in both their last two races so, FAIR ALONG, MOBAASHER and SHAKERVILLE join them on the sidelines.
If we accept that the stats are against KASBAH BLISS (and they are), then we are left with BIG BUCKS, POWERSTATION, PUNCHESTOWNS and WHATUTHINK are the ones to concentrate on.
Five of the last 10 winners have a course win to their names and whilst that means half didn't, I'm inclined to think that both PUNCHESTOWNS and BIG BUCKS are the pair to put the hard earned down on.
2 x 20/80's, an exacta and go visit the pay window!
Kasbah Bliss or Punchestowns
???
Galient in the 2:05
Get on him quick Boyles and lad in to 14's from 20's
still at 16's with paddy
ok help im tryin to do a lucky 15 with betfair. Have me four horses picked out and added to bet slip but it has them all seperate and no mention of a lucky 15 , what do i do? Havnt staked any yet
Had a cap on my account, now I can't deposit any more money for 24 hours - raging!
Quote from: tyrone girl on March 12, 2009, 01:04:52 PM
ok help im tryin to do a lucky 15 with betfair. Have me four horses picked out and added to bet slip but it has them all seperate and no mention of a lucky 15 , what do i do? Havnt staked any yet
Where is says singles there should be a drop down list of available bets??
Quote from: FermGael on March 12, 2009, 11:46:30 AM
Got the following preview.
They have been having a great week.
ONL what does the bit in bold mean
QuoteA few reasons to oppose the favourite, KASBAH BLISS. Firstly, favourites have a poor record in this race. Only three of the last 10 have succeeded. Secondly, he has been beaten in the last two runnings of this event. Thirdly, he has only had one run this season and the stats tell us that you need to have seen a racecourse at least twice but perhaps, no more than four times. Eight of the last 10 winners bear that statement out.
Looking for horses we can certainly exclude, we can eliminate horses that finished worse than fourth on their last racecourse appearance. AFSOUN, BLAZING BAILEY, MIGHTY MAN, NO REFUGE, PETITFOUR.....all have it to do. Nine of the last ten winners had finished first or second in both their last two races so, FAIR ALONG, MOBAASHER and SHAKERVILLE join them on the sidelines.
If we accept that the stats are against KASBAH BLISS (and they are), then we are left with BIG BUCKS, POWERSTATION, PUNCHESTOWNS and WHATUTHINK are the ones to concentrate on.
Five of the last 10 winners have a course win to their names and whilst that means half didn't, I'm inclined to think that both PUNCHESTOWNS and BIG BUCKS are the pair to put the hard earned down on.
2 x 20/80's, an exacta and go visit the pay window!
An exacta is a forecast done through the tote, so maybe talking about a reverse forecast with Big bucks and Punchestowns, I am not sure about the numbers first I have seen something wrote as this... Thought maybe 20 to win 80 as Punchestowns is 3/1 but BB is 11/2
2.05 Middleton Dene 33's
2.40 Monets Garden 20's
£10 e/w double
3.20 big bucks
4.40 poker de siviola
£10 double
1.30 Straw Bear 33's
£5 e/w
i know a lucky 15 is 4 selctions in different events but what way does it work...do i have to stick 15 amounts of money on? im new to this carry on.. have done just singles and accums before but never this!! cheers
Nope there isnt it just shows the bets and no option of anythin else rather than to place ur bet on each of them. Dont like this betfair at all too complicated for me
Quote from: Bainisteoir on March 12, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
i know a lucky 15 is 4 selctions in different events but what way does it work...do i have to stick 15 amounts of money on? im new to this carry on.. have done just singles and accums before but never this!! cheers
if you do £1 lucky 15 the total stake is £15 because there is 15 different bets. there are 15 different bets, singles,doubles,trebles and an accumulator
Ladbrokes offering 75/20 on Voy Por/Kasbah double
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 12, 2009, 01:30:38 PM
Ladbrokes offering 75/20 on Voy Por/Kasbah double
I took the prices for the double, 11/8 Kasbah & Evens Voy Por.
Quote from: tyrone girl on March 12, 2009, 01:17:34 PM
Nope there isnt it just shows the bets and no option of anythin else rather than to place ur bet on each of them. Dont like this betfair at all too complicated for me
I don't think ye can do lucky 15s on betfair yet
I've an offer from betfair if you fancy doing it. open an account today or tomorrow and put a £50 bet on using the referral code VHFTJ6VRL and no matter if the bet wins or loses they'll give you £50 cash back 48 hours later. For example, put £50 on Voy Por Ustedes, if it wins you have your winnings plus your £50 back and if it loses you get your £50 back.
Came in handy for me yday on Masterminded ;D
Quote from: Lothos on March 12, 2009, 01:37:57 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on March 12, 2009, 01:17:34 PM
Nope there isnt it just shows the bets and no option of anythin else rather than to place ur bet on each of them. Dont like this betfair at all too complicated for me
I don't think ye can do lucky 15s on betfair yet
Correct, Betfair for singles only on horses, I know you can do multiples now on football an all but no sure about the horses...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 12, 2009, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: Lothos on March 12, 2009, 01:37:57 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on March 12, 2009, 01:17:34 PM
Nope there isnt it just shows the bets and no option of anythin else rather than to place ur bet on each of them. Dont like this betfair at all too complicated for me
I don't think ye can do lucky 15s on betfair yet
Correct, Betfair for singles only on horses, I know you can do multiples now on football an all but no sure about the horses...
apparently Betfair are in the process of getting a multiples system up and running. I think It should be working in the few weeks following Cheltenham
Cheers guys i withdrew the money back out again and opened with paddys
well, are we banking on Voy Por then?
yip - anyone know where you can listen to commentary of the races online?
tried 5 live but it wont work!
oops!
voy por is added to my list of chetlenham donkeys
Doubles hammered everywhere........
Bookies having a field day, Our Nail's new Porsche gets delivered tomorrow.
G'wan Imperial!! What a week I'm having!!
"anyone know where you can listen to commentary of the races online"
paddypower you dont need an account.
the racing post used to have a text ticker commentary for the races, could try there
What happended to VPU??
www.justin.tv has live feed
didnt jump well
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 12, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
the racing post used to have a text ticker commentary for the races, could try there
For people in work that dont allow gambling sites Sporting Life have a "fence by fence" update, gives you the first 3 throughout and lets you know how the fave is doing.
Anybody got a decent tip for an e/w on the 3.20?
Quote from: Minder on March 12, 2009, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 12, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
the racing post used to have a text ticker commentary for the races, could try there
For people in work that dont allow gambling sites Sporting Life have a "fence by fence" update, gives you the first 3 throughout and lets you know how the fave is doing.
Cheers Minder - in work and gambling sites, etc blocked.
had 5 e-w on Imperial Commander doubled with BIg Bucks in the next - hopefully big bucks can place at least
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 12, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
Bookies having a field day, Our Nail's new Porsche gets delivered tomorrow.
You obviously don't know me
:D
he's a ferrari man ;)
Quote from: one for the road on March 12, 2009, 02:54:10 PM
didnt jump well
Well that's f****d 3 of my dockets and probably 100,000 more throughout the land!!
powerstation is worth a few ew
your def getting your bonus now Nail ;) :D
good man c berg stuck a few on big bucks after your post cheers
likewise ......
had 20 on big bucks ..... thanks for the preview berg !!!!
Yep had Big Bucks and Powerstation. very entertaining race
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on March 12, 2009, 03:31:46 PM
Yep had Big Bucks and Powerstation. very entertaining race
ditto
Quote from: kumquat on March 12, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
2.05 Middleton Dene 33's
2.40 Monets Garden 20's
£10 e/w double
3.20 big bucks
4.40 poker de siviola
£10 double
1.30 Straw Bear 33's
£5 e/w
come on poker de siviola, £70 on ya now.
OK Ruby dug me out of a bit of a hole there after getting caught up in the Voy Por/Kasbah hype. What about a Sivola double in the last two...just for the craic!!
first bet of the week and a nice wee winner.
ONl there is a horse running on Friday called AACHEN.
The site also talks that one up.
what race?
Right 4pm race, thinking about 'finger on the pulse'? anybody any thoughts?
Quote from: FermGael on March 12, 2009, 03:36:21 PM
first bet of the week and a nice wee winner.
ONl there is a horse running on Friday called AACHEN.
The site also talks that one up.
what race?
Entered in the 2:05
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on March 12, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
Right 4pm race, thinking about 'finger on the pulse'? anybody any thoughts?
dont put the scud on it :-\
After a nightmare first two days, two races , two winners today, has me near evens. Don't even think I'll partake tomorrow.
Nightmare 3 days for me :(
Although if you read some of the posts on here, you'd think I was the only one ;)
another question from a new horse gambler ( have stuck til footy up to now) if i had money each way on Imperial Commander and Fair Along and the latter didnt get placed am i due even a washer from the bookie?
Quote from: toiletroller on March 12, 2009, 03:50:31 PM
another question from a new horse gambler ( have stuck til footy up to now) if i had money each way on Imperial Commander and Fair Along and the latter didnt get placed am i due even a washer from the bookie?
If it was a double you are screwed.
on my stub i just wrote i didnt write double just 2.50 e/w altho both horses on same bita paper
Quote from: toiletroller on March 12, 2009, 03:54:40 PM
on my stub i just wrote i didnt write double just 2.50 e/w altho both horses on same bita paper
How much was your stake? If it was a fiver i would say they will treat it as a double.
2.50 e/w minder. Im clutchin at straws arent I :D
Quote from: toiletroller on March 12, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
2.50 e/w minder. Im clutchin at straws arent I :D
Yup your 2.5ew is a double and is beat...
Good man Ruby - my 100th post proved to be a lucky one :)
ONL or anyone want to roughly tell me how much 5 e-w accum will get me for Imperial and Big Bucks? (Both SP 6/1)
i worked out in around 375 but not sure is thats right?
get in had 2 quid e-w on something wells ;D
C_Berg who do you have for the 4.40??? since you doing so well?
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on March 12, 2009, 04:13:46 PM
C_Berg who do you have for the 4.40??? since you doing so well?
shouldhavehadthat in the 4.40
though id say my luck will change - ???
anyone hear Tony Martins horse clarified was put down after the last race???????
Looked like a bad fall :(
It fell very early in the race, so definitely possible,
Quote from: C_Berg_316 on March 12, 2009, 04:04:39 PM
Good man Ruby - my 100th post proved to be a lucky one :)
ONL or anyone want to roughly tell me how much 5 e-w accum will get me for Imperial and Big Bucks? (Both SP 6/1)
i worked out in around 375 but not sure is thats right?
I worked out £307.50 back for that c_berg, but im sure ONL could check for sure on his Genie yoke.
Not a bad day at t'office
Its a bit of a bloodbath for me today after yesterdays heroics
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 12, 2009, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: C_Berg_316 on March 12, 2009, 04:04:39 PM
Good man Ruby - my 100th post proved to be a lucky one :)
ONL or anyone want to roughly tell me how much 5 e-w accum will get me for Imperial and Big Bucks? (Both SP 6/1)
i worked out in around 375 but not sure is thats right?
I worked out £307.50 back for that c_berg, but im sure ONL could check for sure on his Genie yoke.
Not a bad day at t'office
I get 276.25 at quarter the odds for a place...
5er on 2 6/1s = 245
5er on 2 6/4s = 31.25
whats the last min option for this one?
Irish Raptor has come in quite a bit
I said earlier in the week watch out for the Ferdy Murphy trained 'Sivola' horses so I am gonna stick with my guns, first bet of the day as well, have lost my bank card completely, only just got a chance to go to the bank to withdraw money...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 12, 2009, 04:39:07 PM
I said earlier in the week watch out for the Ferdy Murphy trained 'Sivola' horses so I am gonna stick with my guns, first bet of the day as well, have lost my bank card completely, only just got a chance to go to the bank to withdraw money...
You have quite a chequered history when it comes to misplacing things ONL ;D
Wish I lost my bank card today too!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 12, 2009, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 12, 2009, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: C_Berg_316 on March 12, 2009, 04:04:39 PM
Good man Ruby - my 100th post proved to be a lucky one :)
ONL or anyone want to roughly tell me how much 5 e-w accum will get me for Imperial and Big Bucks? (Both SP 6/1)
i worked out in around 375 but not sure is thats right?
I worked out £307.50 back for that c_berg, but im sure ONL could check for sure on his Genie yoke.
Not a bad day at t'office
I get 276.25 at quarter the odds for a place...
5er on 2 6/1s = 245
5er on 2 6/4s = 31.25
aye your right enough, I added the 31.25 on twice for some reason.
My boss took another wee shit fit there this afternoon, started going 7/2 on kauto Star for about half an hour, we took a couple grand on it...
Crazy stuff, if anyone had any money, and sense, they could have lumped on at 7/2 then went and laid off on the exchanges around 2/1
ONL, what do you think of denmans chances against kauto? I know he has had problems but at 6/1 he is a great price.
Quote from: kumquat on March 12, 2009, 09:02:13 PM
ONL, what do you think of denmans chances against kauto? I know he has had problems but at 6/1 he is a great price.
Its very very hard to know, he looked a shadow of his former self on his last run at Kempton in February... I know he had a long lay off before this, and it was on a track that didnt suit his jumping but it was still very sad to see a former champ like that... I read somewhere that the burn out rate for 3mile chasers is higher than ever these days, so if Denman were to win tomorrow it would be extraordinary...
Here is some quotes after that race:
QuoteAt this moment he's still in the Gold Cup as there is nothing else for him but I fear he is going to have to improve on what he showed there. It was not a washout but it was not great either. - Harry Findlay
QuoteI would lying if I told you I wasn't disappointed. I thought it was only a matter of turning up today and he'd do what he does, but he didn't. He missed the first and it took me a bit to get him going, get him on an even keel, but when I got him in first time down the back he was good and travelled great by here until Tom Scu moved it up a gear. He had me struggling by the time he jumped the ditch past here. He was fairly tired but the race was over turning in when you start to nurse him home and consolidate your position without riding him into the ground. - Ruby Walsh
QuoteHe wasn't at his brilliant best today obviously and he needs to improve. He obviously will improve after this sharpening up and going the other way round on a galloping track, but he needs to, there is no point saying otherwise. Kauto Star must be the one they have to beat. You can't say anythingdifferent. He won a King George, he's come back to form. I was hoping Denman would whizz around here today and go and win nicely. He didn't, so he's got to improve and as we all stand here, you'd all have to agree with me. As they get older they do improve for a run but tobe back to his very, very best he's got to improve. He might, but it's quite possible he might not.- Paul Nicholls
Then there is this quote this week from Nicholls: "Denman won't mind decent ground, but I honestly don't know how he will run. There's no reason not to run him, but if he tanks off like last year, he won't get home. Sam (Thomas) will have to ride him as he finds him.
f you get a chance get the Racing Post tomorrow and give Paul Nicholls column a read, he is often very frank and honest and should give you his chances...
But going by this seasons run he on't be able to keep up with Kauto, though the run may have took him on leaps and bounds... I think the value could be Exotic Dancer or Neptune Collonges, though I am going to be looking into the race further...
Ok nail, racing post it is. Cheers
and it being the recession.... i'm having the worst year so far...
going to go all out tomorrow my weekend and paddy's sessions relies on this....
good times or bad times
i'm resorted to tips nows :-\
ONL, what chances would you give Barber Shop in the gold cup?
If our Nail gives me 7/2 or even 3/1 for Katuo i'll be in at lunch time to pay him another visit with the coupons...At least you know backing him will give you a sweat and in with a very good chance at the line
Nicholls column in the Racing Post today here is the gist of what eh says about the main three for the GC
Kauto Star: 'The one most likely to deliver. Kauto is fresh, hes well, drying ground will be perfect and ehs got a massive chance. Hes had a great prep this year, as he has got older I have learnt he needs more time between races and give him plenty of time to get fit at home. Everything at home has gone to plan. His final piece of work with Master Minded last Saturday was the best I have seen from him in a long time.'
Denman: 'I have been a lot happier with what I have seen the last couple of weeks. He has been reunited with work rider Jess Allen and has helped him, he seems to be improving on a daily basis. When he tanked along the gallop on Monday he was so full of himself I thought he wasn't going to pull up. However whether we run out of time to get him back to the sort of form he was in last year, only the race will tell us. If he finishes in the first four this time I'll be delighted and it will reflect well on the whole team, who have worked hard to get him back'
Neptune Collonges: 'He won his Grade 1 nicely last time, and although it came close to Cheltenham he recovered quickly from the trip. Hes a year younger then Denman and Kauto so I hope hes still improving, I expect him to make them all go. Hes a true galloper who stays well, so Christian will have to make plenty of use of him'
Quote from: illdecide on March 13, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
If our Nail gives me 7/2 or even 3/1 for Katuo i'll be in at lunch time to pay him another visit with the coupons...At least you know backing him will give you a sweat and in with a very good chance at the line
7/2 :D :D You are having a Steffi!! Special price expired last night, too much money took on him. I am encouraged by what Nicholls has to say about Kauto.
Chief Racing Correspondent James Willoughby also says Kauto is the one for the race but he thinks Neptune offers the value...
I think Exotic Dancer and Barbers Shop will be in the mix come the end, I don't rate Madison De Berlais as high as some ppl do...
Quote from: The Corporal on March 13, 2009, 08:44:19 AM
ONL, what chances would you give Barber Shop in the gold cup?
Will have to run out of his skin to be up there with Kauto, Neptune and Exotic...
Before the festival I got a word from a fella that plays golf with Andy Stewart ( ::) I know I know but the fella is normally reliable enough with info) and he said that Nicholls had told Stewart that his best chance of a winner at the Festival was Poquelin... Runs in the Grand Annual, last race today, was about 8/1 at the time now around 6/1...
This is Stewart who won yesterday with Big Bucks, and also has the Champ Hurdle runner Celestial Halo
Worth pointing out that Daves Dream today is going for the £75,000 double in the Vincent O' Brien Hurdle, the 2.05 after winning the Imperial Cup on Saturday...
Quote from: leenie on March 13, 2009, 01:33:23 AM
and it being the recession.... i'm having the worst year so far...
going to go all out tomorrow my weekend and paddy's sessions relies on this....
good times or bad times
i'm resorted to tips nows :-\
try tharawaat each way in the triumph, overpriced at 40/1....
it might make ur paddy's day session that bit better ;D
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 13, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
If our Nail gives me 7/2 or even 3/1 for Katuo i'll be in at lunch time to pay him another visit with the coupons...At least you know backing him will give you a sweat and in with a very good chance at the line
7/2 :D :D You are having a Steffi!! Special price expired last night, too much money took on him. I am encouraged by what Nicholls has to say about Kauto.
Chief Racing Correspondent James Willoughby also says Kauto is the one for the race but he thinks Neptune offers the value...
I think Exotic Dancer and Barbers Shop will be in the mix come the end, I don't rate Madison De Berlais as high as some ppl do...
So what price is he Nail?
Sam Thomas "my expectations are the same as last year. We know the horse has the ability; its just a question of whether he is 100% ready, which all the signs leading in are that he could well be"
What was the horse O'Hehir tipped up on radio 1 this morning folks? I forget it now
Quote from: illdecide on March 13, 2009, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 13, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
If our Nail gives me 7/2 or even 3/1 for Katuo i'll be in at lunch time to pay him another visit with the coupons...At least you know backing him will give you a sweat and in with a very good chance at the line
7/2 :D :D You are having a Steffi!! Special price expired last night, too much money took on him. I am encouraged by what Nicholls has to say about Kauto.
Chief Racing Correspondent James Willoughby also says Kauto is the one for the race but he thinks Neptune offers the value...
I think Exotic Dancer and Barbers Shop will be in the mix come the end, I don't rate Madison De Berlais as high as some ppl do...
So what price is he Nail?
2/1 at the minute...
Early Gold Cup prices (from Ladbrokes)
Kauto Star 15/8
Neptune Collonges 11/2
Denman 6/1
Exotic Dancer 8/1
Barber's Shop 10/1
Madison Du Berlais 10/1
Alberta's Run 14/1
25/1 bar these
What are Neville's Picks for the final day anybody?
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on March 13, 2009, 10:04:00 AM
What are Neville's Picks for the final day anybody?
NEVILLE'S PICKS1.30 Mourad (next best)
2.05 Farringdon
2.40 Alpha Ridge
3.20 Kauto Star
4.00 Cappa Bleu
4.40 Faltering Fullback
5.15 Clew Bay Cove (Nap)
well minder,
think any of them worth a punt?
Mourad could be worth an e/w tickle in the first ??? 14/1
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2009, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 13, 2009, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 13, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
If our Nail gives me 7/2 or even 3/1 for Katuo i'll be in at lunch time to pay him another visit with the coupons...At least you know backing him will give you a sweat and in with a very good chance at the line
7/2 :D :D You are having a Steffi!! Special price expired last night, too much money took on him. I am encouraged by what Nicholls has to say about Kauto.
Chief Racing Correspondent James Willoughby also says Kauto is the one for the race but he thinks Neptune offers the value...
I think Exotic Dancer and Barbers Shop will be in the mix come the end, I don't rate Madison De Berlais as high as some ppl do...
So what price is he Nail?
2/1 at the minute...
Jasus Nail thats not a good price man for a race like that, there are serious quality horses racing there. You tell big Tommy i'm getting his brother 2 tickets for the match tomorrow and for that i should be getting 3/1 or i'll pay him a visit and he'll meet my friends "PAIN"
5 e/w treble
Leathal Weapon
Albertas Run
Border Fusion
3.10
10 euro e/w Barbers Shop
1.30
Ebadiyan 20 win
My picks:
Each way on Ebadiyan, On Raglan Road, Royal Auclairand Poquelin
Then a win bet on Kauto and an each way on Exotic Dancer and a Reverese Forecast on the both...
Nail ...
Whats Madison Du Berlais in 3.20 at , at the moment ?...thinking of going e/w
11/1 with Paddypower. The 3.20 is a complete head wrecker!
O Hehir tipped Raise your heart this morning think he is about 11 - 1. Heard David Pipe on this morning saying his horse has great chance in Gold Cup but he said its no secert that he really really wants to win his fathers race and big eared fran his best hope.
Quote from: YogiBear on March 13, 2009, 11:42:05 AM
O Hehir tipped Raise your heart this morning think he is about 11 - 1. Heard David Pipe on this morning saying his horse has great chance in Gold Cup but he said its no secert that he really really wants to win his fathers race and big eared fran his best hope.
Get on.........
Kauto now at 7/4
Ladbrokes still offering 12/1 on Raise Your Heart...FFS I would need the funds to back about 25 horses today!!
FRIDAY NON RUNNERS
2:05 Take The Breeze
4:40 Buena Vista
5:15 Chapoturgeon
Quote from: Longfordian on March 13, 2009, 11:33:49 AM
Nail ...
Whats Madison Du Berlais in 3.20 at , at the moment ?...thinking of going e/w
would this be a good bet ?
Chris Cook from the Guardian takes a look at possible outsiders for the Gold Cup
So Denman can't win. That seems pretty clear and we don't need to list all the things that have gone against him in the last 12 months. I reckon the recent positive vibes from the yard are wishful thinking. On the basis of the reliable evidence we have, it'll be a surprise if he can make the frame.
But Kauto Star is also vulnerable. From three runs at Cheltenham, his jumping has let him down twice (a fall in 2006 and numerous dodgy jumps in last year's Gold Cup). The only time he managed to win, in the 2007 Gold Cup, the early pace was unusually slow, so he was in his comfort zone.
This time, we expect Neptune Collonges to set a fierce gallop, so Kauto's jumping will be put under pressure again. Like Desert Orchid, he may be a classy staying chaser who just can't run to his best at Cheltenham. Dessie only won one race here, too, from numerous attempts.
But if Neptune sets a scorching pace, he'll be setting the race up for the hold-up horses and there's a real chance of one of the outsiders running on into the places.
I can't say I have much time for Exotic Dancer (has had his chance in this), Barbers Shop (not good enough or experienced enough) or Madison Du Berlais (doesn't cope well with Cheltenham). Knowhere and Snoopy Loopy are too old, while the drying ground is all against Halcon Genelardais and Miko De Beauchene.
Lots of dogs are barking Star De Mohaison's name and he'll certainly go on the ground. He won the RSA Chase on his only previous visit to the Festival and is easy to like, though he's down to 25-1 now and the value has gone.
I think the remaining value is with Roll Along, each-way. He's 66-1 and the only thing that stops me having a really big place bet on Betfair is the continuing disappointing performance of Carl Llewellyn's yard. Llewellyn is mustard at winning bumpers but his horses often don't seem to progress as you'd hope.
Still, Roll Along is a really classy animal and I feel his ability has been somewhat disguised by the fact that Timmy Murphy has usually ridden him and I don't think Murphy suits him. Two or three times I think Murphy has overplayed the hold-up tactics, notably when the pair were a running-on second behind Albertas Run in last year's RSA Chase.
Graham Lee is in the plate now and Roll Along will absolutely bounce off today's sound racing surface, like he did at Ascot in November when hammering Air Force One. Come on, Roll Along, let's see your name in the frame.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2009, 11:31:51 AM
My picks:
Each way on Ebadiyan, On Raglan Road, Royal Auclairand Poquelin
Then a win bet on Kauto and an each way on Exotic Dancer and a Reverese Forecast on the both...
ONL what odds?
Quote from: leenie on March 13, 2009, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: Longfordian on March 13, 2009, 11:33:49 AM
Nail ...
Whats Madison Du Berlais in 3.20 at , at the moment ?...thinking of going e/w
would this be a good bet ?
leenie, though I like this horse a lot of punters don't fancy him as a "Cheltenham" horse. Horses for courses and all that. He's currently 10/1 so a £10 e/w will pay you £145 if he wins or £35 for a place, so in that scenario your reward is £15 for a £20 risk. Or you might think "I got my dough back plus £15". It's up to yourself, the psychology of betting is complex!
Quote from: FermGael on March 13, 2009, 12:19:26 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2009, 11:31:51 AM
My picks:
Each way on Ebadiyan, On Raglan Road, Royal Auclairand Poquelin
Then a win bet on Kauto and an each way on Exotic Dancer and a Reverese Forecast on the both...
ONL what odds?
Forecast divided is calculated after the race, you just put it on and they calculate it by the sp's of the first and second horses. If the longer horse comes in first the forecast will pay more than if the shorter price, so if I was doing that forecast I would want Exotic to beat kauto for the bigger forecast dividend
Quick Question - Need some help
Did Pricewise tip Carrickboy this morning??
EW Lucky 15 for the day
Star Luck
The Midnight Club
Air Force One
Clew Bay Cove
Got Kauto in the sweepstake at work so not too bad (looked very dodgy as I organised it :o )
Who was fourth in the 1.30pm?
starluck
novice question - How many places is paid out on an each way bet?
whats good in the 2.05?
raise your heart ?
Quote from: Minder on March 13, 2009, 01:42:12 PM
Quote from: toiletroller on March 13, 2009, 01:37:07 PM
starluck
Fcuk that, did Ebidyan fall?
Ran out through the winks of the third last hurdle when leading the pack :(
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
novice question - How many places is paid out on an each way bet?
Depends on the bookmaker and depends on the race
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 13, 2009, 01:43:42 PM
whats good in the 2.05?
raise your heart ?
I have it at 20's, so thats it fucked!!
Any live streams lads, in a sweep at work and wouldn't mind seeing the race..
Gutted.
any1 here on a good run? any tips?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 13, 2009, 01:46:40 PM
Any live streams lads, in a sweep at work and wouldn't mind seeing the race..
http://www.justin.tv/jungledragon1 (http://www.justin.tv/jungledragon1)
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
novice question - How many places is paid out on an each way bet?
5-7 runners - 2 places
8 + in non handicaps - 3 places
8-15 handicaps - 3 places
16 + in handicaps - 4 places
Though we are paying out an extra place on every race today bar the Gold Cup
Quote from: Treasurer on March 13, 2009, 01:46:59 PM
Gutted.
Knew ya shouldnt have put the bet up for all to see!! Any time I post up my football it is always beat...
We had no Up Monaghan in the first, but when Sky Hall took the lead in the last coming round the bend, I thought for a minute there might be an Up Louth
Each way
Single: American Trilogy @ 20/1
2 lines at £2.00 per line
Total stake for this bet: £4.00
Potential returns: £54.00
Get in there! :)
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
novice question - How many places is paid out on an each way bet?
Novice Answer
Normally 3, but sometimes 4 if its the likes of the grand national
Jeez a bad opening three races for me, not one winner, only one place,
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2009, 02:07:35 PM
Quote from: Treasurer on March 13, 2009, 01:46:59 PM
Gutted.
Knew ya shouldnt have put the bet up for all to see!! Any time I post up my football it is always beat...
Me too Nail, every time i put footy on the board or tell the mates who my teams are it's stuffed. So it's secrets from now on untill they romp home...lol ;)
just signed up to bet fair and put some creit on my account, how do i get a free ten pound bet they text me about?
Quote from: illdecide on March 13, 2009, 02:00:52 PM
http://www.justin.tv/jungledragon1 (http://www.justin.tv/jungledragon1)
What happened that live stream? Its showing soccer?
http://www.justin.tv/jonny3tv
found this other one showing the racing
Quote from: Tiberius on March 13, 2009, 03:07:46 PM
http://www.justin.tv/jonny3tv
found this other one showing the racing
Its asking for a code?
Up and at it Ruby.. Come on to Feck!
Money going on Barbers Shop
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 13, 2009, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
novice question - How many places is paid out on an each way bet?
Novice Answer
Normally 3, but sometimes 4 if its the likes of the grand national
Correct answer a couple of posts above
Went for Kauto Exotic forecast for what its worth
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2009, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on March 13, 2009, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
novice question - How many places is paid out on an each way bet?
Novice Answer
Normally 3, but sometimes 4 if its the likes of the grand national
Correct answer a couple of posts above
Went for Kauto Exotic forecast for what its worth
:'(
any updates???
how many winners is that nicholls has trained?he have some commission,good man ruby
Kauto
Denman
Exotic Dancer
Go on ya good thing ya ;) ;)
Good man Kauto...love that man Ruby...Get the coupons out Nail...lol
Some performance, fair dues.
Kauto saves my week, go on Ruby ;D ;D ;D
Brilliant. We'll hardy see a better performance than that in any sport this year.
Pure class :o
Good man Ruby, a legend at 28!
Got him at 2/1 last night on PP.
Some horse! Thanks for the 2-1 PP
Is it just payout on first 3 for Gold Cup?
Quote from: toiletroller on March 13, 2009, 02:54:28 PM
just signed up to bet fair and put some creit on my account, how do i get a free ten pound bet they text me about?
Anyone know the craic with this?
f**k horses are a mugs game sticking with the football from now on ;)
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 13, 2009, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 13, 2009, 03:55:38 PM
Is it just payout on first 3 for Gold Cup?
Aye
ah balls.
Think I was 6 pound up today, bringing my festival total to - 12 or something.
Faltering Fullback in 4.40 lads
sk told me it has a great chance
Quote from: full back on March 13, 2009, 04:17:31 PM
Faltering Fullback in 4.40 lads
sk told me it has a great chance
WOWWWW!!!! I never said anything of the sort! You lookin me to get a kickin FB?
I merely drew FB's attention to the name of that horse.
As ONL says: THIS IS NOT A TIP!!!
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 13, 2009, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: full back on March 13, 2009, 04:17:31 PM
Faltering Fullback in 4.40 lads
sk told me it has a great chance
WOWWWW!!!! I never said anything of the sort! You lookin me to get a kickin FB?
I merely drew FB's attention to the name of that horse.
As ONL says: THIS IS NOT A TIP!!!
Too late sk
I have backed it on your say so &
I NEED IT TO WIN to get me out of this f**king hole that is called Cheltenham week
C'mon ya bastid ya
(Done a RFC with Hangover as well)
Anyone think Ruby can finish off the week with Poquelin in the 5:15?? Could attract a lot of money??
had a ruby walsh double at 13-1 for the 14.40 and Kauto star in GC
f**king ripping beaten in the first also had ebadiyan so no luck today either but only £8 staked today
is Clew Bay Cove any good of a bet at 17.15???????
could do with a bit of luck :P
Im going to go for My Petra e/w in the last.
Fingers crossed :-\
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 13, 2009, 04:23:55 PM
Anyone think Ruby can finish off the week with Poquelin in the 5:15?? Could attract a lot of money??
Paul Nichols said on TV yesterday Poquelin was his best chance of the last two days.
Good week overall, up a nice few quid. Came so close to being a VERY good week though, feck Ebadiyan anyways!!
woohoo........
good oul andytown has pulled me back...
drinks are on me!
Quote from: hardstation on March 13, 2009, 04:55:30 PM
Lucky 15
Zaynar
Aachen
Kauto Star
Cappa Bleu
Deadly. Raging a bit that I didn't back Andytown.
Good man yourself, how much?
Been a very up and down week for my pocket. Have ended up about 65 quid up. Going to slap it all onto Tiger cry in the last and try and end the week on a high........
Nice end to the week all the same Hardstation!
My hopes lie on My Petra in the 5.15 for some sort of value from the week. Overall wouldn't be overly up or down.
anyone follow my little bits of info on the horse racing forum thread??
As I sai before Poquelin, now even more so with Ruby on fire...
Backed in from 7s this morning...
Poquelin makes a pockle of it!! :'(
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 13, 2009, 05:23:11 PM
Poquelin makes a pockle of it!! :'(
Disastrous end to a weird festival for me, didnt have a bank card for most of it!!
Wise men follow the Star :)
Beat in 5 of the 7 races today but had my biggest bet in the Gold Cup so in profit for the day and well up for the week after Punjabi. Can't argue with that. Turthen was my only other each way success. Great day sitting the bot drinking pints and backing horses though!
Dog won there just before the last in the 5.11 at Swindon: Greyfox Ruby, I thought it was a sign!!
6.50 Wolverhampton - Rocket Ruby :-\
had a good day today after a disaster yesterday :-\
Decided this morning to do a Ruby yankee 60 c e/w 1:30 Mourad 2:05American Trilogy 2:40 pride of dulcote and 3:20 Kauto Star have just lifted €277 from Mr P Powers, leaves me in a nice situation overall for the week but the f**king radiator is after blowing on the car so mar power can pay for that
can't complain but if i see Ebadyian about Monaghan i'm gonna drive over the fukcer had €40 on the nose on the hooor :o :o