Got this e-mailed from Our Wee Country because i registered to have a wee look....
Doug Beattie is an Ulsterman born in 1965. For the first ten years of his life he moved around continuously as his father went from posting to posting with the British army.
When the family finally returned to Northern Ireland they settled in Portadown. As with most other children of his generation he had his fair share of exposure to 'The Troubles', not least when one of his uncles was shot dead walking home, apparently killed as part of a loyalist feud. But thanks to the determination of his parents he managed to avoid being sucked into the spiral of violence. At the age of 16 he followed in the family tradition and joined the British army.
For the next twenty odd years of his life he spent almost half of that period away from home either on operation or training. He served in such places as South Armagh, Berlin, Cyprus, Bosnia and Iraq, and all the time he progressed up through the ranks. During the second Gulf War Doug Beattie was the regimental sergeant major of the 1st Battalion the Royal Irish Regiment, commanded by Colonel Tim Collins. Doug knew the colonel extremely well and was at his side when he made his famous eve of battle speech. Following the invasion of Iraq Doug was awarded the Queen's Commendation for Bravery for confronting a mob single-handed and stopping them from lynching supporters of Saddam Hussein.
Our Wee Country is giving you the chance to win a signed copy of Capt Doug Beattie MC new Book "An Ordinary Soldier"
All you have to do is come up with a question for Doug, he will then look the questions over, pick what he thinks is the most original or unique and answer the question himself here on the forum.
Anyone suggest any questions i could ask.
I really want this book!! ;)
I wonder has he paid his fiver? I dunno that site is getting worse. You go on to keep up to day with the goings on in our local soccer team and get bombarded with propaganda from blood thirsty mercenaries.
Football For All doesn't reign supreme on OWC anyways ::)
That thon arsewipe Sickboy is still a mod is ridiculous - seems to compensating for cowardice/inadequacies by leeching of the 'sacrifice' of others. The worst kind uber-Prod that has ever come out of this place.
It says a lot for that site when people on here lie about their actually involvment over there.
South Armagh, Berlin, Cyprus, Bosnia and Iraq.
We are in good company so.
How about any of these....
1) Do you like marzipan?
2) Do you like marzipan?
3) Do you like marzipan?
4) Do you like marzipan?
5) Do you like marzipan?
or my favourite
6) Do you like marzipan?
The guy is from NI, has an interesting story to tell, and his plugging a book. Obviously NI will be a key market for him.
OWC is an NI website, 90%+ of whose members live in NI, many of them interested in matters military etc, as evidenced by the popularity of threads dealing with such topics in the Everything Else section.
Beattie has offered a signed copy to Board Members as a free competition prize.
So what? Anyone who is not interested, needn't enter.
Anyhow, if e.g. Gerry Adams offered GAABoard e.g. a signed copy of his next book "What I did in the War"*, would anyone here object? I wouldn't.
* - OK, poor example I know, since we all know Gerry never actually was in any army, but you get my point...
I'm not bothered about what books OWC have in a competition.
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Anyhow, if e.g. Gerry Adams offered GAABoard e.g. a signed copy of his next book "What I did in the War"*, would anyone here object? I wouldn't.
Yeah you would though.
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
The guy is from NI, has an interesting story to tell, and his plugging a book. Obviously NI will be a key market for him.
OWC is an NI website, 90%+ of whose members live in NI, many of them interested in matters military etc, as evidenced by the popularity of threads dealing with such topics in the Everything Else section.
Beattie has offered a signed copy to Board Members as a free competition prize.
So what? Anyone who is not interested, needn't enter.
Anyhow, if e.g. Gerry Adams offered GAABoard e.g. a signed copy of his next book "What I did in the War"*, would anyone here object? I wouldn't.
* - OK, poor example I know, since we all know Gerry never actually was in any army, but you get my point...
I'm one of those that is not allowed on owc :(
Can you elaborate of the owc fascination with military matters? Do they rejoice that one of their lot has confirmed kills in another land? Do they enquire on his killing technique? Do they want to know how much hate is needed to pull the trigger and what flashes through his mind?
There does seem to be a bit of a military fixation on OWC. Not that it bothers me really. I just don't click on the threads.
By the way Watcher Pat you are the victim of a slapdown by that renowned GAA enthusiast Gary Spain in the Other NI sport section.
Are we human or are we dancer?
Does your mother know you are gay?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 27, 2008, 01:13:12 PM
By the way Watcher Pat you are the victim of a slapdown by that renowned GAA enthusiast Gary Spain in the Other NI sport section.
What happened there gbb?
Quote from: full back on November 27, 2008, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 27, 2008, 01:13:12 PM
By the way Watcher Pat you are the victim of a slapdown by that renowned GAA enthusiast Gary Spain in the Other NI sport section.
What happened there gbb?
QuoteI can't be bothered registering on the GAA board. However the following thread was brought to my attention.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9639.15
It claims the Coagh United clubhouse has a mural to Billy Wright inside.
I was shocked at this not least because I'd been there only a few weeks previously at the Limavady game. I had my 2 young daughters with me so spent halftime at the sweetshop instead of the clubhouse. We were very warmly received there and made feel very welcome.
I've since it had it confirmed that it is total rubbish. The clubhouse walls are adorned with signed football shirts, mirrors etc.
The lie can be used to justify the GAA's continued naming of cups, grounfs and clubs after convicted terrorists. Maybe somebody with an account on the GA board would care to nail the lie.
Is that the one were he proceeds to slap down a "Gaaboard lie", only then to reveal that he can't because he didn't actually witness (or in this did not witness) the offending picture? What a wab :D
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
OWC is an NI website, 90%+ of whose members live in NI, many of them interested in matters military etc, as evidenced by the popularity of threads dealing with such topics in the Everything Else section.
Not interested to be honest, but I genuinelly believed that OWC's site was a football one, pertaining specifically to the NI football team, and not generally about Northern Ireland as a whole?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 27, 2008, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
OWC is an NI website, 90%+ of whose members live in NI, many of them interested in matters military etc, as evidenced by the popularity of threads dealing with such topics in the Everything Else section.
Not interested to be honest, but I genuinelly believed that OWC's site was a football one, pertaining specifically to the NI football team, and not generally about Northern Ireland as a whole?
Typo!! It's HOLE!
Quote from: Zapatista on November 27, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
Are we human or are we dancer?
Does your mother know you are gay?
Not trying to be smart but are the words not "Are we human or are we denser" ?? I want an answer to this because no one i know seems to know. Denser does make more sense.
Whats the odds that Tony will win the book :P
Human [Lyrics]:
I did my best to notice
When the call came down the line
Up to the platform of surrender
I was broke but i was kind
And sometimes i get nervous
When i see an open door
Close your eyes
Clear your heart
Cut the chord
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Pay my respects to grace and virtue
Send my condolences to good
Give my regards to soarer moments
They always did the best they could
And so long to devotion
You taught me everything i know
Wave goodbye
Wish me well
You got to let me know
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Will your system be alright
When you dream of home tonight?
There is so message we're receiving
Let me know is your heart still beating
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
You got to let me know
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
Are we human
Or are we enser?
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Are we human
Or are we denser?
TORGAEL you just ruined that song for me >:( >:(
The mystery was better than the explanation.
Sorry Zap :'(
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Can you elaborate of the owc fascination with military matters?
As evidenced by the other current thread about ROI recruits to the British Army, Ireland generally, and Ulster especially, has a centuries-long tradition of involvement in the British Armed Forces. For example, it is estimated that a quarter of Wellington's Army at Waterloo, and a fifth of Nelson's Navy at Trafalgar, were Irishmen. And with the Troubles, many, many NI families will have had direct recent involvement with the military via the Security Forces etc.
Which is why such a book would be of interest to many people on that site.
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Do they rejoice that one of their lot has confirmed kills in another land? Do they enquire on his killing technique? Do they want to know how much hate is needed to pull the trigger and what flashes through his mind?
I can't really answer for all those who may be interested in the book, but different people will have different motivations for wanting to know more about such people, and will draw differing conclusions from what they read. I noticed the other day e.g. that one of Martin O'Neill's chief interests away from soccer is Criminology, particularly serial killers. So that on one visit to London, he took time out to visit the former home of Donald Nillson (sp?). Does that mean he "rejoices" e.g. when one of "his lot" (i.e.a man) kills a woman in a sex crime in another city?
OK, so you don't like the British Army, anything it has ever done, or anyone who has ever served in it. Moreover, you appear not to like even those people who are interested in the Army, irrespective of the fact you know little or nothing about the motives behind their interest.
Fine. But if one of your criticisms of such people is that they must be prejudiced etc, has it never occurred to you that you are also prejudiced? And that one way of curing that prejudice might be to inform yourself a bit better? Such as by reading Beattie's book, for instance?
Or are you happy as you are?
Evil Genius
QuoteAs evidenced by the other current thread about ROI recruits to the British Army, Ireland generally, and Ulster especially, has a centuries-long tradition of involvement in the British Armed Forces
Does this include their paramilitaries and militias?
Quote from: Zapatista on November 27, 2008, 03:16:26 PM
Evil Genius
QuoteAs evidenced by the other current thread about ROI recruits to the British Army, Ireland generally, and Ulster especially, has a centuries-long tradition of involvement in the British Armed Forces
Does this include their paramilitaries and militias?
As I understand it, many members of the (so-called) Loyalist Paramilitaries consider themselves to be continuing in a military tradition etc. I disagree. In fact, whilst I consider their usual activities to be loathesome enough, it is much worse (imo) that they tarnish the name of so many good and proud soldiers by their (the paramilities) spurious attempts to associate themselves with them.
In fact, although I may use it from time to time myself, I'm not sure they are worthy even of the term "paramilitary". I prefer "vermin", myself.
Do your figures include them? How about those terrorists who after recieveing training and arms from Britain to fight in WW1 then turned to use the same arms and training as a threat against Britain from awarding Home Rule to Ireland. Are they included too?
TAken from somewhere else
"On the band's official website, the biography section states that Flowers is singing "Are we human, or are we dancer?" and also says that the lyrics were inspired by a disparaging comment made by Hunter S. Thompson about how America was raising a generation of dancers."
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Can you elaborate of the owc fascination with military matters?
As evidenced by the other current thread about ROI recruits to the British Army, Ireland generally, and Ulster especially, has a centuries-long tradition of involvement in the British Armed Forces. For example, it is estimated that a quarter of Wellington's Army at Waterloo, and a fifth of Nelson's Navy at Trafalgar, were Irishmen. And with the Troubles, many, many NI families will have had direct recent involvement with the military via the Security Forces etc.
Which is why such a book would be of interest to many people on that site.
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Do they rejoice that one of their lot has confirmed kills in another land? Do they enquire on his killing technique? Do they want to know how much hate is needed to pull the trigger and what flashes through his mind?
I can't really answer for all those who may be interested in the book, but different people will have different motivations for wanting to know more about such people, and will draw differing conclusions from what they read. I noticed the other day e.g. that one of Martin O'Neill's chief interests away from soccer is Criminology, particularly serial killers. So that on one visit to London, he took time out to visit the former home of Donald Nillson (sp?). Does that mean he "rejoices" e.g. when one of "his lot" (i.e.a man) kills a woman in a sex crime in another city?
OK, so you don't like the British Army, anything it has ever done, or anyone who has ever served in it. Moreover, you appear not to like even those people who are interested in the Army, irrespective of the fact you know little or nothing about the motives behind their interest.
Fine. But if one of your criticisms of such people is that they must be prejudiced etc, has it never occurred to you that you are also prejudiced? And that one way of curing that prejudice might be to inform yourself a bit better? Such as by reading Beattie's book, for instance?
Or are you happy as you are?
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Can you elaborate of the owc fascination with military matters?
As evidenced by the other current thread about ROI recruits to the British Army, Ireland generally, and Ulster especially, has a centuries-long tradition of involvement in the British Armed Forces. For example, it is estimated that a quarter of Wellington's Army at Waterloo, and a fifth of Nelson's Navy at Trafalgar, were Irishmen. And with the Troubles, many, many NI families will have had direct recent involvement with the military via the Security Forces etc.
Which is why such a book would be of interest to many people on that site.
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Do they rejoice that one of their lot has confirmed kills in another land? Do they enquire on his killing technique? Do they want to know how much hate is needed to pull the trigger and what flashes through his mind?
I can't really answer for all those who may be interested in the book, but different people will have different motivations for wanting to know more about such people, and will draw differing conclusions from what they read. I noticed the other day e.g. that one of Martin O'Neill's chief interests away from soccer is Criminology, particularly serial killers. So that on one visit to London, he took time out to visit the former home of Donald Nillson (sp?). Does that mean he "rejoices" e.g. when one of "his lot" (i.e.a man) kills a woman in a sex crime in another city?
OK, so you don't like the British Army, anything it has ever done, or anyone who has ever served in it. Moreover, you appear not to like even those people who are interested in the Army, irrespective of the fact you know little or nothing about the motives behind their interest.
Fine. But if one of your criticisms of such people is that they must be prejudiced etc, has it never occurred to you that you are also prejudiced? And that one way of curing that prejudice might be to inform yourself a bit better? Such as by reading Beattie's book, for instance?
Or are you happy as you are?
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
After your 'cricket' comment on the mumbai thread, i doubt you'll ever be cured! ::)
Would OWC's military fixation not be better expalined by the fact that the site's owner 'Marty' is from a military background?
Quote from: bennydorano on November 27, 2008, 04:15:09 PM
Would OWC's military fixation not be better expalined by the fact that the site's owner 'Marty' is from a military background?
Only if he were starting all the military threads and making all the posts on them. ::) In fact, there are long periods when Marty hardly posts at all.
Understandably he has a keen personal interest in such matters. But if there weren't many other members with similar interests, such threads would not get such heavy traffic as they do.
That's the way it is, whether anyone likes it or not.
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
Then I suggest you get your Doctor to write you a Prescription for a trailer-load of strong tranquillisers, for you're in for a long wait... :D
Quote from: Zapatista on November 27, 2008, 03:34:57 PM
Do your figures include them? How about those terrorists who after recieveing training and arms from Britain to fight in WW1 then turned to use the same arms and training as a threat against Britain from awarding Home Rule to Ireland. Are they included too?
So we've gone in a couple of pages from some soldier offering a book as a prize on a football website, to the morality of the gun-running in Ulster in 1912... ::)
Your questions are so loaded that there is no point in my debating such issues with you - even the relevant ones. As I said before, you do not appear interested in what I actually think, only in winning some sort of silly "game". Sorry, but I don't feel like playing today.
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
Then I suggest you get your Doctor to write you a Prescription for a trailer-load of strong tranquillisers, for you're in for a long wait... :D
...and think of all the DLA you'll get in the mean time ;)
Here come the cavalry...............
Quote from: TORGAEL on November 27, 2008, 02:52:53 PM
Human [Lyrics]:
I did my best to notice
When the call came down the line
Up to the platform of surrender
I was broke but i was kind
And sometimes i get nervous
When i see an open door
Close your eyes
Clear your heart
Cut the chord
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Pay my respects to grace and virtue
Send my condolences to good
Give my regards to soarer moments
They always did the best they could
And so long to devotion
You taught me everything i know
Wave goodbye
Wish me well
You got to let me know
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Will your system be alright
When you dream of home tonight?
There is so message we're receiving
Let me know is your heart still beating
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
You got to let me know
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
Are we human
Or are we enser?
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Are we human
Or are we denser?
Are you sure? From Wikipedia:
Lyrical confusion
There has been considerable confusion and debate over the line "Are we human or are we dancer?" in the song's chorus.[5] Many have incorrectly heard "denser" instead of "dancer", a change which significantly alters the interpretation of the song's meaning. On the band's official website, the biography section states that Flowers is singing "Are we human, or are we dancer?" and also says that the lyrics were inspired by a disparaging comment made by Hunter S. Thompson about how America was raising a generation of dancers.[6]
Entertainment Weekly's Pop Watch section called this line the "silliest lyrics of the week". They were puzzled by the interpretation, stating "most dancers are generally human".[7] Ganz with Rolling Stone called the line "classic Killers' nonsense."[4]
Quote from: Chrisowc on November 27, 2008, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
Then I suggest you get your Doctor to write you a Prescription for a trailer-load of strong tranquillisers, for you're in for a long wait... :D
...and think of all the DLA you'll get in the mean time ;)
Surely Orior is too principled to take "dirty Brit money" for doing nothing? Or are you implying he's a Sinn Fein MLA? ;)
Quote from: winsamsoon on November 27, 2008, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on November 27, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
Are we human or are we dancer?
Does your mother know you are gay?
Not trying to be smart but are the words not "Are we human or are we denser" ?? I want an answer to this because no one i know seems to know. Denser does make more sense.
Reminds me of the Dirty or Dorothy debate
I would like to ask him if he feels any guilt about his career? .... Does he feel that all the British occupation in countries around the world where they are not wanted is justified?
I wonder did the author contact OWC to offer the book or did and OWC member go looking for it?
And will he be going to look for signed books by prominant republicans to use as a prize on the same site?
Quote from: EC Unique on November 27, 2008, 05:11:19 PM
I would like to ask him if he feels any guilt about his career? .... Does he feel that all the British occupation in countries around the world where they are not wanted is justified?
That's two questions - you are only allowed one.
Anyhow, why don't you join OWC and submit your question? Though considering that Beattie will likely choose which question(s) he wishes to answer, you might be better advised just to buy the bloody book. That's assuming, of course, you are genuinely interested in what he has to say. Which I doubt, somehow... ::)
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 27, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
I wonder did the author contact OWC to offer the book or did and OWC member go looking for it?
No idea.
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 27, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
And will he be going to look for signed books by prominant republicans to use as a prize on the same site?
That question assumes that the OWC Member made the initial approach to Beattie. Anyhow, even if he did, I doubt very much that the Member would do so for a Republican book, both because of what I know of him, but also because I doubt there would be nearly so much interest by OWC members in such a book as there is in Beattie's.
That would be like someone from this site approaching Beattie for a free signed copy to put as a prize on GAABoard... ::)
Anyhow, seeing as there seems to be some interest in Beattie, and people like him, here is an extract from the Independent:
Doug Beattie - I believe...
Nothing in my 27 years in the Army prepared me for Afghanistan – not even Iraq. I wasn't ready for the suicide bombings; the sights, sounds and smells stay with you forever. Only recently a 15-year-old boy approached our checkpoint and blew himself up, killing two soldiers and a 13-year-old civilian. It was such a waste of life.
All politicians should do some time in the Army. I think that with that insight, they'd alter budgets to ensure that soldiers had exactly the equipment they needed.
There's pain and pleasure when it comes to being away from family. The pain is the separation, and it's just awful. The pleasure is at the end of each tour when you come back and you get to know each other all over again. It's an unbelievable high.
Soldiers think more about injury than they do about death. Death is final. What really scares a soldier is coming back burnt, disfigured or brain-damaged. I think about it every time we go on patrol.
We need to have the support of the people, which we currently do. As long as we have their support, the Taliban will be beaten. Of this I have no doubt.
It's a noble thing to question every action you take. The other side of the coin is to take life wantonly. You're fighting in a hostile place and you have to take lives, but to take a life and not reflect on what you've done will leave you in a dark and awful place.
The bonds you build with some soldiers in a few weeks last for life. During my last tour in Afghanistan, I met a group of people who I was with for 14 days and they are now some of the strongest friends I have.
Everybody fantasises about the same thing on leaving Afghanistan: having their first pint in the pub. We talk it through exhaustively – which beer we're going to have and how we're going to drink it. The Afghan soldiers we work with do the same thing, imagining what food they'll have when they get back to their families.
QuoteAs evidenced by the other current thread about ROI recruits to the British Army, Ireland generally, and Ulster especially, has a centuries-long tradition of involvement in the British Armed Forces
Half the SS who fought in the Battle of Berlin were non German. All empires recruit people from their conquests.This does not mean that we should approve of or celebrate these people or have their books on sporting websites.
Zabaptista the debate still goes on lad. ;)
Quote from: TORGAEL on November 27, 2008, 02:52:53 PM
Human [Lyrics]:
I did my best to notice
When the call came down the line
Up to the platform of surrender
I was broke but i was kind
And sometimes i get nervous
When i see an open door
Close your eyes
Clear your heart
Cut the chord
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Pay my respects to grace and virtue
Send my condolences to good
Give my regards to soarer moments
They always did the best they could
And so long to devotion
You taught me everything i know
Wave goodbye
Wish me well
You got to let me know
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Will your system be alright
When you dream of home tonight?
There is so message we're receiving
Let me know is your heart still beating
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
You got to let me know
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answers
Are we human
Or are we enser?
Are we human?
Or are we denser?
Are we human
Or are we denser?
this song is stuck in my head all week... anyone know what its about?!
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on November 27, 2008, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
Then I suggest you get your Doctor to write you a Prescription for a trailer-load of strong tranquillisers, for you're in for a long wait... :D
...and think of all the DLA you'll get in the mean time ;)
Surely Orior is too principled to take "dirty Brit money" for doing nothing? Or are you implying he's a Sinn Fein MLA? ;)
Of course I'm a Sinn Fein MLA. You mean you dont know me?
Part of my non-MLA earnings is taxed by the british. So why shouldn't i be eligible to claim it back if i can? Lazy protestants live off my tax.
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 06:00:04 PM
Anyhow, seeing as there seems to be some interest in Beattie, and people like him, here is an extract from the Independent:
Doug Beattie - I believe...
We need to have the support of the people, which we currently do.As long as we have their support, the Taliban will be beaten. Of this I have no doubt.
Another pollyanna patsy -- like they're going to do what no one,
no one, has achieved in the history of that part of the world: 'beat' the rebellious natives. Ask the Russians, or before that, the British... D'oh!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 27, 2008, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 06:00:04 PM
Anyhow, seeing as there seems to be some interest in Beattie, and people like him, here is an extract from the Independent:
Doug Beattie - I believe...
We need to have the support of the people, which we currently do.As long as we have their support, the Taliban will be beaten. Of this I have no doubt.
Another pollyanna patsy -- like they're going to do what no one, no one, has achieved in the history of that part of the world: 'beat' the rebellious natives. Ask the Russians, or before that, the British... D'oh!
Or Alexander... anyone who strays into Afghanistan gets their ass handed to them on a plate by the locals.
Quick question for eg
If a Gerry Adams (for example) was being offered on this site for a question or whatever would you be as staunch in your defence?
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 06:00:04 PM
Anyhow, seeing as there seems to be some interest in Beattie, and people like him, here is an extract from the Independent:
Doug Beattie - I believe...
Nothing in my 27 years in the Army prepared me for Afghanistan – not even Iraq. I wasn't ready for the suicide bombings; the sights, sounds and smells stay with you forever. Only recently a 15-year-old boy approached our checkpoint and blew himself up, killing two soldiers and a 13-year-old civilian. It was such a waste of life.
All politicians should do some time in the Army. I think that with that insight, they'd alter budgets to ensure that soldiers had exactly the equipment they needed.
There's pain and pleasure when it comes to being away from family. The pain is the separation, and it's just awful. The pleasure is at the end of each tour when you come back and you get to know each other all over again. It's an unbelievable high.
Soldiers think more about injury than they do about death. Death is final. What really scares a soldier is coming back burnt, disfigured or brain-damaged. I think about it every time we go on patrol.
We need to have the support of the people, which we currently do. As long as we have their support, the Taliban will be beaten. Of this I have no doubt.
It's a noble thing to question every action you take. The other side of the coin is to take life wantonly. You're fighting in a hostile place and you have to take lives, but to take a life and not reflect on what you've done will leave you in a dark and awful place.
The bonds you build with some soldiers in a few weeks last for life. During my last tour in Afghanistan, I met a group of people who I was with for 14 days and they are now some of the strongest friends I have.
Everybody fantasises about the same thing on leaving Afghanistan: having their first pint in the pub. We talk it through exhaustively – which beer we're going to have and how we're going to drink it. The Afghan soldiers we work with do the same thing, imagining what food they'll have when they get back to their families.
The UK economy is in a big enough mess as it is rather than throwing more dough at another pointless occupation of a country where outright victory cannot be achieved.
On a slighty separate topic, how many GAAboarders are signed up over on OWC? I hadn't thought they had as many regular posters from here as we do visitors but possibly there is?
Quote from: TORGAEL on November 27, 2008, 03:08:09 PM
Sorry Zap :'(
Tis Ok I still have the existance of God to ponder over.
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Quote from: EC Unique on November 27, 2008, 05:11:19 PM
I would like to ask him if he feels any guilt about his career? .... Does he feel that all the British occupation in countries around the world where they are not wanted is justified?
That's two questions - you are only allowed one.
Anyhow, why don't you join OWC and submit your question? Though considering that Beattie will likely choose which question(s) he wishes to answer, you might be better advised just to buy the bloody book. That's assuming, of course, you are genuinely interested in what he has to say. Which I doubt, somehow... ::)
In other words you think he would not haver a creditable answer for these questions? I would guess they are questions he asks himself deep down but would never admit to it :-\
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
Then I suggest you get your Doctor to write you a Prescription for a trailer-load of strong tranquillisers, for you're in for a long wait... :D
...and think of all the DLA you'll get in the mean time ;)
Surely Orior is too principled to take "dirty Brit money" for doing nothing? Or are you implying he's a Sinn Fein MLA? ;)
Of course I'm a Sinn Fein MLA. You mean you dont know me?
Part of my non-MLA earnings is taxed by the british. So why shouldn't i be eligible to claim it back if i can? Lazy protestants live off my tax.
Why so sectarian?
You have to put details into this OWC site and this can be dodgy in itself. I would trust the mods on here but the mods on there, you would never know where your details would go. I have become a product of our society always suspicious. ;)
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 28, 2008, 02:07:24 AM
On a slighty separate topic, how many GAAboarders are signed up over on OWC? I hadn't thought they had as many regular posters from here as we do visitors but possibly there is?
I got banned a few years back for posting a disucssion on the GAA championship (2004 maybe) the post was moved (without a PM telling me I had posted in the wrong spot) and thought it had been deleted, re-posted it and got banned from OWC without any explanation. Nifan came on here to explain to me why I was banned.
Quote from: AFS on November 28, 2008, 03:14:07 AM
We have a few eejits of our own on this board but I reckon we have more than enough level headed, balanced opinions to keep them in check. But over on owc there are plenty of petty, backward, and in some cases disgusting, attitudes that just go unchecked.
Leaving aside the vast quantity of sad and depressing stuff on the GAAboard here I noted from this short thread alone the following unsubstantiated and blatantly sectarian comments "The worst kind uber-Prod that has ever come out of this place" and "Lazy protestants live off my tax." These comments have not been remarked about never mind checked. I wouldn't be so critical of the OWC Forum if your justification is some sort of moral high ground taken by this site!
Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
They were there first!!!
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
The Plantation is over, go on home! One is an occupier, and the other is a native, and I can appreciate how the subtle distinction may be lost on you ;)
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I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
The Plantation is over, go on home! One is an occupier, and the other is a native, and I can appreciate how the subtle distinction may be lost on you ;)
What did the Romans ever do for us?
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Do they rejoice that one of their lot has confirmed kills in another land? Do they enquire on his killing technique? Do they want to know how much hate is needed to pull the trigger and what flashes through his mind?
I can't really answer for all those who may be interested in the book, but different people will have different motivations for wanting to know more about such people, and will draw differing conclusions from what they read. I noticed the other day e.g. that one of Martin O'Neill's chief interests away from soccer is Criminology, particularly serial killers. So that on one visit to London, he took time out to visit the former home of Donald Nillson (sp?). Does that mean he "rejoices" e.g. when one of "his lot" (i.e.a man) kills a woman in a sex crime in another city?
holy feck
another feeble and unbelieveable rubbish attempt as crass justification from this delusional eejit!
as for gerry adams book being a 'prize' on here - I'd expect most would think it to be inappropriate, even the chuckies like Dinny Breen and Hardy !
forget all this lads, you cannot compare the open floor that this site is aganst 'our wee sectarian website'
its nothing to do with us,none of our business and luckily it will stay that way.
wonder what they will be doing after 2016 ? :D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 28, 2008, 10:46:29 AM
wonder what they will be doing after 2016 ? :D
Start saving now. I wouldn't fancy your tax bill ;)
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 28, 2008, 10:46:29 AM
wonder what they will be doing after 2016 ? :D
Start saving now. I wouldn't fancy your tax bill ;)
I dont want yez, and we dont need yez, gringo !
:D
Quote from: full back on November 27, 2008, 10:04:07 PM
Quick question for eg
If a Gerry Adams (for example) was being offered on this site for a question or whatever would you be as staunch in your defence?
Staunch in my defence of what/whom? I've not read the book, so can't comment in detail on it or the author. As for the idea of having it as a prize, it's hardly the Protocols of the Elders of Zion we're talking about here. It's a guy from NI who has had a pretty remarkable career, in a field which is of interest to a section of the Members of OWC. So what?
If Gerry Adams' book were to offered up here as a prize, my reaction would be the same - i.e. it's a book by a guy from NI who has had a pretty remarkable career, in a field which is of interest to a section of the Members of GAABoard.
What I think of Beattie as against Adams is neither here nor there.
Quote from: AFS on November 28, 2008, 03:14:07 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 28, 2008, 02:07:24 AM
On a slighty separate topic, how many GAAboarders are signed up over on OWC? I hadn't thought they had as many regular posters from here as we do visitors but possibly there is?
I signed up to have a gawk at it a while back. Looked at it once or twice but try to keep away from it because some of the stuff is pretty sad and depressing. We have a few eejits of our own on this board but I reckon we have more than enough level headed, balanced opinions to keep them in check. But over on owc there are plenty of petty, backward, and in some cases disgusting, attitudes that just go unchecked. It would also seem that Dungiven are the only club in Ireland that any of them have ever heard of :-\
Curiously, "themmuns" on OWC say exactly the same sort of thing when they read about "youssuns" on GAABoard... ::)
Quote from: EC Unique on November 28, 2008, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 27, 2008, 05:11:19 PM
I would like to ask him if he feels any guilt about his career? .... Does he feel that all the British occupation in countries around the world where they are not wanted is justified?
That's two questions - you are only allowed one.
Anyhow, why don't you join OWC and submit your question? Though considering that Beattie will likely choose which question(s) he wishes to answer, you might be better advised just to buy the bloody book. That's assuming, of course, you are genuinely interested in what he has to say. Which I doubt, somehow... ::)
In other words you think he would not haver a creditable answer for these questions?
No, I just doubt whether he would be interested in answering a loaded question from someone who was never interested in his reply in the first place.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 28, 2008, 09:29:42 AMI would guess they are questions he asks himself deep down but would never admit to it :-\
Then you would guess wrong. I have now browsed his book briefly in my local supermarket, plus Googled a few Reviews. He is clearly someone who has thought deeply about his life and career, which I'm sure at least partly explains why he is distinguished in his field and has been able to write what looks like a reasonably well-received and popular autobiography.
Just as you should never judge a book by its cover, perhaps you should not also judge an Author by his uniform?
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
They were there first!!!
Who were "they", then? Hardly the Gaels, that's for sure...
Anyhow, it's who'll be here last that counts! :D
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
They were there first!!!
Who were "they", then? Hardly the Gaels, that's for sure...
OK, here's the deal: you give the land and property that you stole from the Gael back, and we'll give the land and property that we took from the pre-Celts back. Can't say fairer than that.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 10:33:02 AM
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
The Plantation is over, go on home! One is an occupier, and the other is a native, and I can appreciate how the subtle distinction may be lost on you ;)
And how do we recognise who the Occupiers are/were? By their Planter names, such as Hume and Adams? ;)
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 28, 2008, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 10:33:02 AM
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
The Plantation is over, go on home! One is an occupier, and the other is a native, and I can appreciate how the subtle distinction may be lost on you ;)
And how do we recognise who the Occupiers are/were? By their Planter names, such as Hume and Adams? ;)
Not at all, that's so yesterday; we're much more sohpisticated than that: a simple pronunciation of the letter 'H' will suffice ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 11:09:36 AM
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
I wonder what you'd say if someone on OWC said "I'll be cured when Irish nationalists leave Northern Ireland".
They were there first!!!
Who were "they", then? Hardly the Gaels, that's for sure...
OK, here's the deal: you give the land and property that you stole from the Gael back, and we'll give the land and property that we took from the pre-Celts back. Can't say fairer than that.
Leaving aside the fact that I never stole any land from anyone, what if it should transpire that the Planters were originally of the same stock as the Pre-Celts? With people crossing the North Channel in small boats for thousands of years, it's hardly impossible, is it? :D
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 28, 2008, 11:19:17 AM
Leaving aside the fact that I never stole any land from anyone, what if it should transpire that the Planters were originally of the same stock as the Pre-Celts? With people crossing the North Channel in small boats for thousands of years, it's hardly impossible, is it? :D
That's not impossible by any means, and the existence of old Dalriada would support the theory of such a possibility! :o
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 28, 2008, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 28, 2008, 11:19:17 AM
Leaving aside the fact that I never stole any land from anyone, what if it should transpire that the Planters were originally of the same stock as the Pre-Celts? With people crossing the North Channel in small boats for thousands of years, it's hardly impossible, is it? :D
That's not impossible by any means, and the existence of old Dalriada would support the theory of such a possibility! :o
Which is exactly what I had in mind. So if there should be any e.g. O'Neills and O'Donnells still holding onto a few scraps of land since 1607, could they now sign it over to their nearest MacNeill or MacDonald neighbour?
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Quote from: Evil Genius on November 28, 2008, 11:19:17 AM
Leaving aside the fact that I never stole any land from anyone, what if it should transpire that the Planters were originally of the same stock as the Pre-Celts? With people crossing the North Channel in small boats for thousands of years, it's hardly impossible, is it? :D
That's not impossible by any means, and the existence of old Dalriada would support the theory of such a possibility! :o
Which is exactly what I had in mind. So if there should be any e.g. O'Neills and O'Donnells still holding onto a few scraps of land since 1607, could they now sign it over to their nearest MacNeill or MacDonald neighbour?
Apart from the total incongruity of that suggestion it would make for perfect sense, except the Mac Neills may have no Scottish blood in them whatsoever, and the Mac Donalds came to an amicable property distribution agreement with the O'Donnells quite some time ago.
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Quote from: Orior on November 27, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
I'll be cured when british occupation ends.
Then I suggest you get your Doctor to write you a Prescription for a trailer-load of strong tranquillisers, for you're in for a long wait... :D
...and think of all the DLA you'll get in the mean time ;)
Surely Orior is too principled to take "dirty Brit money" for doing nothing? Or are you implying he's a Sinn Fein MLA? ;)
Of course I'm a Sinn Fein MLA. You mean you dont know me?
Part of my non-MLA earnings is taxed by the british. So why shouldn't i be eligible to claim it back if i can? Lazy protestants live off my tax.
Why so sectarian?
Apologies - that was a quote. Dont the English call you all lazy spongers?
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Quote from: his holiness nb on November 27, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
I wonder did the author contact OWC to offer the book or did and OWC member go looking for it?
No idea.
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 27, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
And will he be going to look for signed books by prominant republicans to use as a prize on the same site?
That question assumes that the OWC Member made the initial approach to Beattie. Anyhow, even if he did, I doubt very much that the Member would do so for a Republican book, both because of what I know of him, but also because I doubt there would be nearly so much interest by OWC members in such a book as there is in Beattie's.
That would be like someone from this site approaching Beattie for a free signed copy to put as a prize on GAABoard... ::)
His holiness once more backs warily away...
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 28, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 27, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
I wonder did the author contact OWC to offer the book or did and OWC member go looking for it?
No idea.
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 27, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
And will he be going to look for signed books by prominant republicans to use as a prize on the same site?
That question assumes that the OWC Member made the initial approach to Beattie. Anyhow, even if he did, I doubt very much that the Member would do so for a Republican book, both because of what I know of him, but also because I doubt there would be nearly so much interest by OWC members in such a book as there is in Beattie's.
That would be like someone from this site approaching Beattie for a free signed copy to put as a prize on GAABoard... ::)
His holiness once more backs warily away...
But not quietly ;D ;)
Quote from: Chrisowc on November 28, 2008, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 28, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on November 27, 2008, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 27, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
I wonder did the author contact OWC to offer the book or did and OWC member go looking for it?
No idea.
Quote from: his holiness nb on November 27, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
And will he be going to look for signed books by prominant republicans to use as a prize on the same site?
That question assumes that the OWC Member made the initial approach to Beattie. Anyhow, even if he did, I doubt very much that the Member would do so for a Republican book, both because of what I know of him, but also because I doubt there would be nearly so much interest by OWC members in such a book as there is in Beattie's.
That would be like someone from this site approaching Beattie for a free signed copy to put as a prize on GAABoard... ::)
His holiness once more backs warily away...
But not quietly ;D ;)
His holiness doesnt do quietly, you should know this already Chris ;)
Is Beattie the same guy who said that Col Tim Collins actually scared the shit out of his troops with his highly acclaimed motivational pre-battle speech?
Quote from: Orior on November 28, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
Is Beattie the same guy who said that Col Tim Collins actually scared the shit out of his troops with his highly acclaimed motivational pre-battle speech?
Something like that, but Beattie gives a "modest" account of how he managed to restore morale to the visibly scared troops and undid the damage that Col Tim inflicted.
I have my question.....well have it narrowed down to 2.
Whats it like to be involved in the murder of thousands of men women and children?
or
How can you justify writing a book about being involved in the murder of thousands of men women and children?
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on November 28, 2008, 06:38:08 PM
I have my question.....well have it narrowed down to 2.
Whats it like to be involved in the murder of thousands of men women and children?
or
How can you justify writing a book about being involved in the murder of thousands of men women and children?
If we ever should see a book by Gerry Adams being offered as a prize by this forum, do you mind if i borrow those questions? ::)
Hmmm. You dont really want to win, do you Watcher Pat?
Quote from: Orior on November 28, 2008, 07:03:23 PM
Hmmm. You dont really want to win, do you Watcher Pat?
I'd say he'd be better off trying to get his hands on this book:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ATS08WHZL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Maybe Zapatista can lend him a copy?
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on November 27, 2008, 12:35:25 PM
Got this e-mailed from Our Wee Country because i registered to have a wee look....
Doug Beattie is an Ulsterman born in 1965. For the first ten years of his life he moved around continuously as his father went from posting to posting with the British army.
When the family finally returned to Northern Ireland they settled in Portadown. As with most other children of his generation he had his fair share of exposure to 'The Troubles', not least when one of his uncles was shot dead walking home, apparently killed as part of a loyalist feud. But thanks to the determination of his parents he managed to avoid being sucked into the spiral of violence. At the age of 16 he followed in the family tradition and joined the British army.
For the next twenty odd years of his life he spent almost half of that period away from home either on operation or training. He served in such places as South Armagh, Berlin, Cyprus, Bosnia and Iraq, and all the time he progressed up through the ranks. During the second Gulf War Doug Beattie was the regimental sergeant major of the 1st Battalion the Royal Irish Regiment, commanded by Colonel Tim Collins. Doug knew the colonel extremely well and was at his side when he made his famous eve of battle speech. Following the invasion of Iraq Doug was awarded the Queen's Commendation for Bravery for confronting a mob single-handed and stopping them from lynching supporters of Saddam Hussein.
Our Wee Country is giving you the chance to win a signed copy of Capt Doug Beattie MC new Book "An Ordinary Soldier"
All you have to do is come up with a question for Doug, he will then look the questions over, pick what he thinks is the most original or unique and answer the question himself here on the forum.
Anyone suggest any questions i could ask.
I really want this book!! ;)
I've tried really hard to come up with a single question for Doug, but like the Ballygawley man, I have two. Both relate to the quote below
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on November 27, 2008, 12:35:25 PM
Following the invasion of Iraq Doug was awarded the Queen's Commendation for Bravery for confronting a mob single-handed and stopping them from lynching supporters of Saddam Hussein.
1. Dougie, what did you then do when you woke up?
2. Was GSpain your independent witness?
i really do want to win!!! seriously lads.....
Whats Gerry A got to do with this??
he must have stumbeling in to one of EG's wee power trips here.....
I'm going to write that much and have that much of it in quotation marks and bold print youse(spelling incorrection) peasants wont even know what I'm talking about!!!
I don't know what Gerry Adams has to do with this either.
I haven't received an email from the admin of GAA board inviting me to win a book about the political /military adventures (minor or major) of any GAA man.
It would be considered distasteful and unethical to associate a sports themed board with any member's political or military affiliation.
Not to mention the method of blatant spamming, sending a personal email to all its members.
It's the first time I have ever been spammed by the admin of a board.
BTW, I am not offended, just disappointed that a soccer sports forum aligns itself so closely with such militaristic imperial adventures.
Quote from: Chrisowc on November 28, 2008, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on November 28, 2008, 10:46:29 AM
wonder what they will be doing after 2016 ? :D
Start saving now. I wouldn't fancy your tax bill ;)
had to laugh at jim mcalister on 'lets talk' the other night saying it was lucky ni was part of the big uk economy and not like the roi and heres more. you do know the tax take in the roi is away lower then in ni? the per capita income in the roi is away ahead of ni (we're richer than you)? as for jim obviously nobody has bothered to tell him we're part of the far bigger euro economy.. we're not iceland you know ;)
unless of course your talking about the increased tax take it will take to turn then dependancy culture thats rampant up north to an income producing/contributing to society culture :D that will be required going forward. the brits might throw a few quid to help fix the mess they made but i doubt it
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on November 29, 2008, 01:26:19 AM
i really do want to win!!! seriously lads.....
Whats Gerry A got to do with this??
he must have stumbeling in to one of EG's wee power trips here.....
I'm going to write that much and have that much of it in quotation marks and bold print youse(spelling incorrection) peasants wont even know what I'm talking about!!!
Did you post that after a good night out, then, TWP? ;)
Anyhow, to anwer your question about Gerry A, see Posts # 5, 6, 37, 39, 47, 61, 64 etc
A great nite out.....
Still wondering what Gerry A has to do with this author...?
Maybe he's the ghostwriter or something...well the're all friends now right??
Shock horror, a British Soldier from the 6 counties tries to peddle his wares on a hardline Unionist/loyalist website. What next, the Pope confirms that he's catholic?
How was the holiday Tony?