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Title: Is your name on the List?
Post by: passedit on November 18, 2008, 05:47:48 PM
Woops


http://bnpmemberslist.blogspot.com/ (http://bnpmemberslist.blogspot.com/)

QuoteNovember 18, 2008
Entire BNP membership list goes online
Posted by Antifascist
Before reading this, you should appreciate that there are very strict limitations on what we are allowed to print and we intend to stay strictly within the law in the comments that we allow.

Having said all that, this breach of data security is startlingly bad for the BNP, not simply for the fact that the party has lost data - almost everyone seems to have managed to do that recently - but for the nature of that information.

Not only does the data, now available online, include the entire membership list with full names (and former names where there have been changes for any reason), addresses, contact numbers, email addresses and in many cases the member's age, particularly where those members are under eighteen. Yes, that's right. This list includes members as young as fourteen, male and female. Where a family membership is bought and paid for, the whole family is listed.

As if this isn't bad enough, the notes that are attached to many of the entries leave a lot of the members open to difficulties in their jobs, some of them being in the armed forces or the police and the BNP too - an illegal combination, and where not illegal, frequently frowned upon. Other members are noted as construction managers, receptionists, district nurses, lay preachers, police officers, company directors and teachers among many others.

Like this wasn't enough, the BNP has also listed hobbies or interests where for some reason they are deemed relevant. Thus we have short-wave radio hams, amateur historians, pagans, line-dancers and even a witch (male).

The contributors to nazi sites, many of whom are also members of the BNP, are suddenly in a frenzy, expecting to be outed at any moment. Here's just one comment from the North-West Nationalist blog:

    'I've just had a call, I'm on it to. I want my f**king member money back, like has been mentioned here, I could lose my f**king job. I'm bloody angry.'

Not surprising really. I'd be pretty pissed off too.

Curiously, there are quite a number of BNP members abroad, presumably ex-pats or those working abroad temporarily - Australia, the USA, United Arab Emirates, Sao Paulo, Spain and the Netherlands were some that I noticed. Isn't the BNP opposed to foreign workers? I'm sure it was last time I looked.

One final thing (for the moment, because I'm sure this one will run and run): the list appears to include the December rebels. At first, I took this to mean that the membership list was a year out of date but after a good look through, it's become clear that by keeping a running list (as opposed to a clean list each membership year) the party is able to claim a much larger membership than it in fact has. Some of the additions to the list are as recent as September of this year, indicating that some of the members listed - though how many is anyone's guess - are not in fact members at all. The implication is pretty clear (to me, at least) - BNP members are being defrauded when they have been told that the membership is growing exponentially. Take off all the dead members, those who have resigned (many still listed along with their reasons for leaving) and the most recent batch of rebels and the size drops considerably.

It's been suggested that the party's former treasurer John Walker is responsible for posting the list up publicly. We wouldn't know but by doing so, the poster has stuck a stick of dynamite under Griffin's rear end. The consequences and the repercussions may be interesting to watch.

Just as a complete aside, I should point out that we do not have a copy of this list, nor do we want one. The information we had was obtained online and appears suddenly to have been removed, at least for the moment...
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: gerry on November 18, 2008, 09:17:12 PM
no doubt they will be a few pissed of people with info online
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 19, 2008, 04:12:18 AM
List now removed!

I wish I had've copied it. I see there was one or two from Tyrone including Fintona and Dungannon.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on November 19, 2008, 04:22:22 AM
http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/
There you go Norf
Enjoy your nazi hunting.
I seen a link to that indymedia website which says there are members from the South aswell.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Gnevin on November 19, 2008, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on November 19, 2008, 04:22:22 AM
http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/
There you go Norf
Enjoy your nazi hunting.
I seen a link to that indymedia website which says there are members from the South aswell.

'NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!

Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.'
http://web.archive.org/web/20080120155729/www.bnp.org.uk/sms-news-texts/
Well that's the North fixed
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: An Fear Rua on November 19, 2008, 09:12:07 AM
From the list...

Mr
Robert Capel
The Post Office
Williamstown
County Galway
Republic of Ireland
00353 879352861
capelrob@yahoo.ie
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: orangeman on November 19, 2008, 09:25:04 AM
Police and teachers on BNP list 

Nick Griffin said the leak put party members at risk of violence
Serving and former police officers, teachers and soldiers are listed as members of the British National Party in a leaked document published online.

The list, which dates from 2007, has the names, addresses, jobs and phone numbers of more than 10,000 people.

Since 2004, police officers have been banned from being members of the BNP.

The party's leader, Nick Griffin, said the leak was "a disgraceful act of treachery" by former members and called for a police investigation.

In a statement on the BNP website, Mr Griffin said he had lodged a complaint with Dyfed-Powys Police on the grounds that the publication breached human rights and data protection laws.

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He told the BBC's Today programme the party would be using the Human Rights Act to try to protect the identities of its members, despite the BNP being against the European legislation.

He said he had "no problem at all" about the professions of members being in the public domain, which was "a matter of public interest".

But publishing people's names and addresses was a "nasty piece of intimidation" which he blamed on the "Labour regime".

However, he welcomed the new media interest in the party as a result of the leak because it challenged the idea that the average member of the BNP "was a skinhead oik".

"So in terms of repositioning us as a party genuinely made up of ordinary British people from all walks of life that will actually do us good," he said.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said "everybody has a right to protection under data protection laws" but it was a matter for Dyfed-Powys Police as to whether the matter should be taken further.

And she told the BBC News Channel she did not mind people knowing she was a member of the Labour Party, adding: "I wonder why it is that BNP members are rather more ashamed of their membership."

'Discretion required'

Occupations ascribed to the names on the list include teachers, a doctor, nurse, vicar and members of the armed forces.

While there is no ban on many of those professions joining the BNP, its right-wing political stance and whites-only membership policy are seen by many as incompatible with frontline public service.

Police officers, on the other hand, are formally banned from joining, a policy which is recognised in the list.

Alongside the name of a serving officer, the document states that there is "Discretion required re. employment concerns".

  Such membership would be incompatible with our duty to promote equality

Peter Fahy
Association of Chief Police Officers

Peter Fahy, chief constable of Greater Manchester Police and spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "Membership or promotion of the BNP by any member of the police service, whether police officer or police staff, is prohibited.

"This is because such membership would be incompatible with our duty to promote equality under the Race Relations Amendment Act and would damage the confidence of minority communities."

The BNP said the publication could lead to identity theft and endanger children named in the list.

Some as young as 14 are included where their families have party memberships.

The publication prompted fear among BNP members using internet chatrooms.

One person wrote: "I'm also on the list, what is going on? I could lose my job."

Another said: "God help anyone who is in the Army, the prison service, healthcare, a police officer or a teacher."

Earlier this year, the BNP obtained an injunction at the High Court in Manchester banning any publication of the list.

Elections

Mr Griffin earlier said the list was "essentially genuine", but a number of names of people who were not or are not party members had been added.

He claimed the leak was linked to next year's elections to the European Parliament and that those responsible were former members who had subsequently been sacked.

"Just six months before the proportional representation European Parliamentary elections give us the chance for a gigantic leap into the mainstream big-time, we get another leak intended to frighten the faint-hearted," he said.

The anti-immigration party has won council seats in recent years, and took a London Assembly seat in May.

Labour MPs are pushing for trade unions to be given the right to expel members who belong to the BNP without penalty.


Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Orior on November 19, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
There are a few of Orior's surname :o, a few of Oriors mummy's surname :o but 0 Fearons.

Way to go Tony!
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: thejuice on November 19, 2008, 09:28:29 AM
They did quite well here in the local elections in Warwickshire and the Midlands.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: full back on November 19, 2008, 10:03:11 AM
At least one person on the list that I work with :o
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: the green man on November 19, 2008, 10:05:02 AM
Maybe best deleting this thread. Dont want no court actions.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Gnevin on November 19, 2008, 10:19:19 AM
Quote from: orangeman on November 19, 2008, 09:25:04 AM


Since 2004, police officers have been banned from being members of the BNP.




Surely that's illegal the BNP may be idiots but they are not a prescribed organisation as far as i know
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Orior on November 19, 2008, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: the green man on November 19, 2008, 10:05:02 AM
Maybe best deleting this thread. Dont want no court actions.

Sure tis all over tinternet
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: An Fear Rua on November 19, 2008, 11:09:36 AM
looks like the ex Fire Chief of Dungannon is a member, he was also the UK Vice-President of the Retired Fire-Fighters Association...
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Yes I Would on November 19, 2008, 11:27:40 AM
Am shocked the bard doesnt get a mention!!
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: stephenite on November 19, 2008, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on November 19, 2008, 09:12:07 AM
From the list...

Mr
Robert Capel
The Post Office
Williamstown
County Galway
Republic of Ireland
00353 879352861
capelrob@yahoo.ie

Just texted him :D
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: cavan4ever on November 19, 2008, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: stephenite on November 19, 2008, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on November 19, 2008, 09:12:07 AM
From the list...

Mr
Robert Capel
The Post Office
Williamstown
County Galway
Republic of Ireland
00353 879352861
capelrob@yahoo.ie

Just texted him :D

What u say ?
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: ONeill on November 19, 2008, 11:59:54 AM
Is the list still available?

That link won't open for me.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Orior on November 19, 2008, 12:01:52 PM
There y'are

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_and_contacts_list%2C_2007-2008 (http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_and_contacts_list%2C_2007-2008)

Quite a few O'Neills there boyo
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 19, 2008, 12:08:29 PM
Unconfirmed rumour that there are two Rangers players on the list!
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: SidelineKick on November 19, 2008, 12:19:46 PM
How are you all finding these people, just going down through the list?? Very painstaking!!
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 19, 2008, 12:43:26 PM
who's Christmas card list is that?
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: under the bar on November 19, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
my ex work colleague is a proud member but his name isn't on it. 
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: An Fear Rua on November 19, 2008, 01:23:19 PM
Ian Underwood
12 Forge Lane;
Gillingham;
Kent;

Will not be renewing 07 (objects to being told he shouldn't wear a bomber jacket) :D :D
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: ziggysego on November 19, 2008, 01:39:38 PM
The BBC have said that 39 people on the list are from Northern Ireland and 2 are from the Republic.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: An Fear Rua on November 19, 2008, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 19, 2008, 12:08:29 PM
Unconfirmed rumour that there are two Rangers players on the list!

Shaun Maloney (Manchester) and John Kennedy (Motherwell , Lanarkshire) are the two footballers 'Names' on the list, you would have to assume that they were namesakes
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: orangeman on November 19, 2008, 01:44:40 PM
Leaked BNP list has 39 NI people 

A list of BNP members' details was leaked
Thirty-nine people with addresses in Northern Ireland are on the list of British National Party members leaked on the internet.

The BNP has said the personal details of about 10,000 of its members have been posted on the internet.

Two people in the Republic of Ireland were also on the list.

Regional organiser Kieran Dinsmore said NI members were being advised to "take reasonable steps" to increase their personal security.

"We've had death threats from various republican elements in the country (in the past)," he said.

"We are concerned about our details being put out over the web."

One of the members whose details were leaked was a serving soldier in Northern Ireland.

The soldier is a member of the Black Watch regiment, whose address is given as Palace Barracks in Holywood.

The regiment was garrisoned at the barracks until the early part of this year.

Another BNP member whose details were leaked was Sandy Baxter, a former police officer who lives in Portstewart.

"I'm in a party I firmly believe in and why should I not hold my head high like anyone else," he said.


Fairly typical attitude you might say.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: ziggysego on November 19, 2008, 01:51:52 PM
I wouldn't put it pass the ball bags for leaking it themselves to get themselves back in the media.
Title: Who Shot Sandy Baxter?
Post by: Donagh on November 19, 2008, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 19, 2008, 01:44:40 PM

Another BNP member whose details were leaked was Sandy Baxter, a former police officer who lives in Portstewart.

"I'm in a party I firmly believe in and why should I not hold my head high like anyone else," he said.


This is Sandy Baxter after getting shot by a "terrorist" in Swatragh in 1982.

(http://ecohcoy.tripod.com/sandybshot.jpg)


Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: ziggysego on November 19, 2008, 02:06:48 PM
Who do you think you are kidding Mr. Donagh if you think you can keep old Portstewart's Army down.....


I'll get my coat
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: An Fear Rua on November 19, 2008, 02:10:35 PM
Stuart Pearces brother is on there too!
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Orior on November 19, 2008, 03:11:54 PM
Crikey, this could end up with a bigger fall-out than Chernobyl
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: ziggysego on November 19, 2008, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 19, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
QuoteA male police officer in Merseyside and a radio DJ are the first alleged BNP members to face consequences after the far-Right party's full membership list was leaked online.

TalkSport radio said this morning that it will "no longer use" chat show presenter Rod Lucas, who covered late night shifts for the station earlier this year, after he was listed among more than 12,000 BNP supporters on an internet blog posted on Sunday night.

His name and contact details were included alongside his profession: 'media: radio/TV production'.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5189610.ece

On what grounds was he dismissed? TalkSport could land themselves in a lot of legal bother here.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 19, 2008, 03:14:52 PM
Surely it's a legal minefield to sack someone over membership of a party that has legitimately sitting county councillors?

I would have thought that Mr Lucas will have a case for unfair dismissal?
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: passedit on November 19, 2008, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 19, 2008, 03:14:52 PM
Surely it's a legal minefield to sack someone over membership of a party that has legitimately sitting county councillors?

I would have thought that Mr Lucas will have a case for unfair dismissal?

I'd say he contracts for them on an ad hoc basis, judging by the wording 'no longer use' so tough titty. As for the cop, well it's in their rules as a dismissable offence ergo see ya later bigot boy.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: D4S on November 19, 2008, 04:41:57 PM
I cant believe that all these peoples details are online still.  I wouldn't be texting, writing or ringing any of these guys as a previous poster mentioned, could track you down very handy over the net!

Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Puckoon on November 19, 2008, 05:36:43 PM
wikileaks is overloaded by readers :D

Scummy hewers the lot.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: gerry on November 19, 2008, 08:33:08 PM
BNP members are being 'targeted by threats', they claim its all black mail.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Goats Do Shave on November 20, 2008, 08:14:08 AM
Is John Terry's name in there?  :D
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2008, 04:21:57 PM
I see there's a guy from Tubbercurry there!
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Doogie Browser on November 20, 2008, 04:26:10 PM
'I hear you are a racist now Father'
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: el_cuervo_fc on November 20, 2008, 04:40:20 PM
there's a few tasty comments on that link now   :D

http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2008, 05:18:15 PM
Couple funny ones there.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: muppet on November 20, 2008, 05:21:01 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 20, 2008, 04:21:57 PM
I see there's a guy from Tubbercurry there!

That's unpossible!
He would have renamed it Tubber pie or Tubber pudding.
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: nifan on November 20, 2008, 05:24:01 PM
some member was on the news the other night complaining about the leak and how it was like living in a fascist state when you could get abuse for being a member of a legitimate political party!
Title: Re: Is your name on the List?
Post by: Denn Forever on November 20, 2008, 05:29:14 PM
The BNP is the price of democracy.