Manchester Arena

[haranguerer]

Actually, why did they announce this guy's name so soon after the bombing? Surely doing so was a warning to any of his associates??

US leaked it, had been shared confidentially

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/trump-administration-manchester-bomber-name-leak

[brokencrossbar1]

The father has come out and said his son was innocent. I thought it very strange that he was named so quickly.

[Esmarelda]

Actually, why did they announce this guy's name so soon after the bombing? Surely doing so was a warning to any of his associates??

US leaked it, had been shared confidentially

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/trump-administration-manchester-bomber-name-leak

Has anyone blamed the Russians yet?

[SLIGONIAN]

More to come?

Theresa May just raised terror threat level to 'Critical' which the world of twitter tells me means an attack is imminent.

Did no one tell her that the election campaign has been suspended? I'd be amazed if they have any indication that an attack is imminent, she's just doing what she thinks people will be impressed by. Her emphasis of the word "independent" when announcing this made me smell a rat. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Living in the UK last few yrs ive been keeping a close on politics here, i have lots of close family from Manchester, Mum was born and raised there for a time and all her siblings grew up there so i have loads of first cousin aswell, all are safe, im so sad for so many reasons at this attack, to target children is just beyond my comprehension but look to target innocent civilians is just so wrong, who gains,  what are they trying to achieve, but to me this has false flag written all over it

The conservative govt were getting destroyed over the manifesto(dementia tax), even the right wing media slightly turned, and questioned them properly, then this happens on the same day, now may is getting unfethered coverage just like Jo Cox's tragic murder in the lead up to Brexit this will swing voters to ukip and conservatives,

Some of the reporting from the bbc and itv have been a disgrace, yesterday they posted 2 videos of corbyn talking about the terrorist attack and both edited out the part where he condemned the attack, some of the viewers outraged then commented he didnt condemn the attacks, job done

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/24/people-noticed-something-missing-bbc-yesterday-publishing-today-video/

https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/videos/10154818514617672/

this tows the right media party line to smear corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser, Murdochs front page of sun written 2hrs before conveniently had Corbyn blood on his hands headline, you couldnt make this up, the timing couldnt of been more perfect for the tories, than you have the mail aswell having a sketch

The most obvious false flag was paris, the french govt itching to get involved in syria do so the day after this, even the band knew something was up,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eagles-of-death-metal-singer-jesse-hughes-begs-forgiveness-after-suggesting-bataclan-security-may-a6927156.html

Narrative from fox, murdoch owned as we all know

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-manchester_uk_5923f614e4b094cdba5724f3

More on the right wing respnse
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/the-simple-problems-with-the-rights-response-to-the-manchester-attack

http://anonymous-news.com/bankers-make-billions-terrorism/

How did they identify the killer so quickly. was he carrying an id that survived the blast, how convenient. I dont trust the govt at the best of times but this time the timing and reaction and paper headlines coincide with the narrative and so close to an election where the opposition are gaining in the polls this is for me very obvious. An anti establishment opposition. It will be interesting to see how this affects the polls. My guess is this may have lost corbyn the election and that is heartbreaking too.

[Avondhu star]

More to come?

Theresa May just raised terror threat level to 'Critical' which the world of twitter tells me means an attack is imminent.

Did no one tell her that the election campaign has been suspended? I'd be amazed if they have any indication that an attack is imminent, she's just doing what she thinks people will be impressed by. Her emphasis of the word "independent" when announcing this made me smell a rat. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Living in the UK last few yrs ive been keeping a close on politics here, i have lots of close family from Manchester, Mum was born and raised there for a time and all her siblings grew up there so i have loads of first cousin aswell, all are safe, im so sad for so many reasons at this attack, to target children is just beyond my comprehension but look to target innocent civilians is just so wrong, who gains,  what are they trying to achieve, but to me this has false flag written all over it

The conservative govt were getting destroyed over the manifesto(dementia tax), even the right wing media slightly turned, and questioned them properly, then this happens on the same day, now may is getting unfethered coverage just like Jo Cox's tragic murder in the lead up to Brexit this will swing voters to ukip and conservatives,

Some of the reporting from the bbc and itv have been a disgrace, yesterday they posted 2 videos of corbyn talking about the terrorist attack and both edited out the part where he condemned the attack, some of the viewers outraged then commented he didnt condemn the attacks, job done

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/24/people-noticed-something-missing-bbc-yesterday-publishing-today-video/

https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/videos/10154818514617672/

this tows the right media party line to smear corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser, Murdochs front page of sun written 2hrs before conveniently had Corbyn blood on his hands headline, you couldnt make this up, the timing couldnt of been more perfect for the tories, than you have the mail aswell having a sketch

The most obvious false flag was paris, the french govt itching to get involved in syria do so the day after this, even the band knew something was up,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eagles-of-death-metal-singer-jesse-hughes-begs-forgiveness-after-suggesting-bataclan-security-may-a6927156.html

Narrative from fox, murdoch owned as we all know

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-manchester_uk_5923f614e4b094cdba5724f3

More on the right wing respnse
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/the-simple-problems-with-the-rights-response-to-the-manchester-attack

http://anonymous-news.com/bankers-make-billions-terrorism/

How did they identify the killer so quickly. was he carrying an id that survived the blast, how convenient. I dont trust the govt at the best of times but this time the timing and reaction and paper headlines coincide with the narrative and so close to an election where the opposition are gaining in the polls this is for me very obvious. An anti establishment opposition. It will be interesting to see how this affects the polls. My guess is this may have lost corbyn the election and that is heartbreaking too.

Corbyn had the election lost long before this attack.
Even Labour party people aren't voting for him except those still living in the 1950s

[Minder]

I see there is a Go Fund me page set up for one of the homeless men that helped victims in the aftermath of the attack, and it is sitting at £35k. Who thought that was a good idea ?

[SLIGONIAN]

More to come?

Theresa May just raised terror threat level to 'Critical' which the world of twitter tells me means an attack is imminent.

Did no one tell her that the election campaign has been suspended? I'd be amazed if they have any indication that an attack is imminent, she's just doing what she thinks people will be impressed by. Her emphasis of the word "independent" when announcing this made me smell a rat. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Living in the UK last few yrs ive been keeping a close on politics here, i have lots of close family from Manchester, Mum was born and raised there for a time and all her siblings grew up there so i have loads of first cousin aswell, all are safe, im so sad for so many reasons at this attack, to target children is just beyond my comprehension but look to target innocent civilians is just so wrong, who gains,  what are they trying to achieve, but to me this has false flag written all over it

The conservative govt were getting destroyed over the manifesto(dementia tax), even the right wing media slightly turned, and questioned them properly, then this happens on the same day, now may is getting unfethered coverage just like Jo Cox's tragic murder in the lead up to Brexit this will swing voters to ukip and conservatives,

Some of the reporting from the bbc and itv have been a disgrace, yesterday they posted 2 videos of corbyn talking about the terrorist attack and both edited out the part where he condemned the attack, some of the viewers outraged then commented he didnt condemn the attacks, job done

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/24/people-noticed-something-missing-bbc-yesterday-publishing-today-video/

https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/videos/10154818514617672/

this tows the right media party line to smear corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser, Murdochs front page of sun written 2hrs before conveniently had Corbyn blood on his hands headline, you couldnt make this up, the timing couldnt of been more perfect for the tories, than you have the mail aswell having a sketch

The most obvious false flag was paris, the french govt itching to get involved in syria do so the day after this, even the band knew something was up,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eagles-of-death-metal-singer-jesse-hughes-begs-forgiveness-after-suggesting-bataclan-security-may-a6927156.html

Narrative from fox, murdoch owned as we all know

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-manchester_uk_5923f614e4b094cdba5724f3

More on the right wing respnse
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/the-simple-problems-with-the-rights-response-to-the-manchester-attack

http://anonymous-news.com/bankers-make-billions-terrorism/

How did they identify the killer so quickly. was he carrying an id that survived the blast, how convenient. I dont trust the govt at the best of times but this time the timing and reaction and paper headlines coincide with the narrative and so close to an election where the opposition are gaining in the polls this is for me very obvious. An anti establishment opposition. It will be interesting to see how this affects the polls. My guess is this may have lost corbyn the election and that is heartbreaking too.

Corbyn had the election lost long before this attack.
Even Labour party people aren't voting for him except those still living in the 1950s

Your totally wrong and uniformed. He was gaining in the polls and has a huge vote with u25s, They were hardly around in the 1950s.

[Minder]

More to come?

Theresa May just raised terror threat level to 'Critical' which the world of twitter tells me means an attack is imminent.

Did no one tell her that the election campaign has been suspended? I'd be amazed if they have any indication that an attack is imminent, she's just doing what she thinks people will be impressed by. Her emphasis of the word "independent" when announcing this made me smell a rat. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Living in the UK last few yrs ive been keeping a close on politics here, i have lots of close family from Manchester, Mum was born and raised there for a time and all her siblings grew up there so i have loads of first cousin aswell, all are safe, im so sad for so many reasons at this attack, to target children is just beyond my comprehension but look to target innocent civilians is just so wrong, who gains,  what are they trying to achieve, but to me this has false flag written all over it

The conservative govt were getting destroyed over the manifesto(dementia tax), even the right wing media slightly turned, and questioned them properly, then this happens on the same day, now may is getting unfethered coverage just like Jo Cox's tragic murder in the lead up to Brexit this will swing voters to ukip and conservatives,

Some of the reporting from the bbc and itv have been a disgrace, yesterday they posted 2 videos of corbyn talking about the terrorist attack and both edited out the part where he condemned the attack, some of the viewers outraged then commented he didnt condemn the attacks, job done

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/24/people-noticed-something-missing-bbc-yesterday-publishing-today-video/

https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/videos/10154818514617672/

this tows the right media party line to smear corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser, Murdochs front page of sun written 2hrs before conveniently had Corbyn blood on his hands headline, you couldnt make this up, the timing couldnt of been more perfect for the tories, than you have the mail aswell having a sketch

The most obvious false flag was paris, the french govt itching to get involved in syria do so the day after this, even the band knew something was up,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eagles-of-death-metal-singer-jesse-hughes-begs-forgiveness-after-suggesting-bataclan-security-may-a6927156.html

Narrative from fox, murdoch owned as we all know

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-manchester_uk_5923f614e4b094cdba5724f3

More on the right wing respnse
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/the-simple-problems-with-the-rights-response-to-the-manchester-attack

http://anonymous-news.com/bankers-make-billions-terrorism/

How did they identify the killer so quickly. was he carrying an id that survived the blast, how convenient. I dont trust the govt at the best of times but this time the timing and reaction and paper headlines coincide with the narrative and so close to an election where the opposition are gaining in the polls this is for me very obvious. An anti establishment opposition. It will be interesting to see how this affects the polls. My guess is this may have lost corbyn the election and that is heartbreaking too.

Corbyn had the election lost long before this attack.
Even Labour party people aren't voting for him except those still living in the 1950s

Your totally wrong and uniformed. He was gaining in the polls and has a huge vote with u25s, They were hardly around in the 1950s.

They are also the group least likely to bother voting

[Avondhu star]

The u25s didn't bother their hole going to the polling booth for the Brexit vote. They think that registering your views on Facebook or Twitter is enough

[imtommygunn]

I have a feeling may will use this attack and corbyn's views on terrorism etc against him over the coming weeks. Hope i am wrong though.

Corbyn has been getting closer in the polls but i think there has been a bit of a reaction to the pension stuff etc which might die down. I would be very surprised were labour to even get close :-(

[OgraAnDun]

The u25s didn't bother their hole going to the polling booth for the Brexit vote. They think that registering your views on Facebook or Twitter is enough

Go have a look at the crowds at Corbyn's rallies and reassess your opinion of young people.

[Avondhu star]

The u25s didn't bother their hole going to the polling booth for the Brexit vote. They think that registering your views on Facebook or Twitter is enough

Go have a look at the crowds at Corbyn's rallies and reassess your opinion of young people.

For every one at the rally there is a thousand at home taking selfies of themselves eating avocados

[LCohen]

Funny how the only people who draw parallels with Irish republicanism are the likes of Jim Allister, Willie Frazer and a couple of west brits on here...

Whatever about the merits of the IRA etc. I don't see why it's necessary to be talked about on here at all? This is a different type of terrorism at a different time so let's not get bogged down in comparisons which aren't helpful and have people going round in circles!

its not necessary at all

I agree but if someone does use the thread for their own bitter agenda and draw comparison it's hard not to give the required response
Let's hope they are finished now and we can talk about the terrible events of Monday
I think it's appropriate to discuss what motivates these perpetrators and what can be done to deflate their motivations

I honestly don't think the perpetrators name should be published.  Same goes for a lot of these mass shootings in the states and elsewhere unrelated to terrorism.  A lot of these lone attackers do it for some warped sense of glory in the aftermath of it all.  Their name being remembered.  I know this brings up issues with freedom of the press, and freedom of information etc.  but there really needs to be a shift in tactics to try and reduce these incidents.  Sure if it stopped only one person from doing it, it would be worth it.
RIP to all the victims.  The clips of Olivia Campbells mother would have brought a tear to a stone.  God love them.

Not naming the perpetrator is worth more consideration.

Anything that doesn't impact on the mass public but prevents such an incident is worth consideration

[Syferus]

Incredibly insensitive to victims for American intelligence to be leaking information and crime scene photography, also potentially damaging to the investigation. British authorities rightly furious.

[stew]

Incredibly insensitive to victims for American intelligence to be leaking information and crime scene photography, also potentially damaging to the investigation. British authorities rightly furious.

Disgraceful alright, hell slap it up them if the brits do it to them next time these bastards hit the states.

Who do they think they are?