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Basically a County issue was allowed to become a club issue, this should never have happened and egos should have been left at Owenbeg for the betterment of Glen!
House is in order now and we move forward!

Is Moran considered in the fold?

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Uh, yes? I live in the North. There are many people in the middle ground who don't like the way many names and such relate to the Troubles. These are not the hardcore Unionists or Loyalists, but secular everyday people not in either community just going about their lives, vote Green or Alliance, and would love the opportunity for their kids to play different sports. Their wider family may also have been impacted by the Troubles (like many families here). They might play football and rugby, but usually not GAA due to being uncomfortable as it's exclusive. They see the way the names are venerated in that the GAA is stuck in that and not moving on. I can't disagree with that personally either...

I literally know these people and I work with and are friends with some of them. They've told me this. If the GAA did take a stance to move past these names, they absolutely would respect the sport more. The same like many respected the GAA when we got rid of Rules 27 and 42 in the past. The GAA has moved forward before, and needs to do so again on this. Heads in the sand doesn't work here, change is needed.

It's really not bollox, especially if we want to grow the sport in the North. It is stuck at current levels otherwise and won't grow into the middle ground. Rugby has changed. For example it has got rid of certain flags, Northern Ireland flags are not waved at Ulster matches any more and you won't hear GSTQ. They now accept a very much more varied crowd in recent years, with around 30% of fans now from a Catholic background. That would be unheard of the other way round in GAA...

Rugby?  Is this the same rugby that has a British war memorial as part of its newly built main stadium?

To be fair, the memorial has been in place for quite some time, and renovation of the stadium did not affect this. Is there an issue with a memorial to that many Irishmen who died in both wars?

And that the Unionists / UVF used (WW1) to force the British to force partition. And use the returned solders to man the police and terrorise the catholic population.

In your head, If you want to call, being one of a group of 7 who were there for 5 games, as actually managing your club's senior team, then knock yourself out.
Talk about clutching at straws. 

Glen and Micky have both moved on...
Micky made himself available the following year on a part time basis until Leitrim were knocked out then taking over full time, this offer was turned down with Gormleys influence at committee level. Gormley then went and got Culbert.
Later Micky had an offer from Slaughtneil to which Glen got wind of and offered him the insult of an interview for the senior post.
It is often glossed over the fact Gormley walked out on Glen seniors after an incident with players in an end of season u21 game, it was later discovered he had already accepted an offer to take Galbally.

Not going to get into a he said she said and you can rose tint it whatever way you want to,but the original point I made stands, Moran has not managed his home club.
The club moved on and thankfully we got the just rewards of everyone else's collective effort.
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OK, so to be clear;
Micky did make himself available and Glen turned him down, and then he got offered to lead Slaughtneil.
Gormley played a big part in blocking Mickey for the role and then took umbrage at him managing Slaughtneil.
But Gormley has successfully painted Mickey as the bad guy (going by the confrontation on the sideline in a previous match)

Could this not be a case of Gormley's past falling out due to the Coleman - County board issue resurfacing and him using his influence in Glen to keep Moran out?

Also heard previously that some of the calls that Moran received during the Coleman - County board issue were close to criminal

[Moran played for Glen until the 80s.]

Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

Just to be clear, Moran played for Glen until the 80s.
He has never managed his own club senior team.
Pedantic possibly by me, but just wanted to clarify in case anyone wrongly thinks he might possibly be taking a team he currently manages against one that he managed previously.

That's hard to believe that a manager as travelled as Mickey Moran has never managed his own club side.

I know. Easily enough explained though I think in the fact that the financial reimbursement available when you manage your own club team should be negligible.

Kilcoo, Slaughtneil, Creggan, Kilrea, Omagh, Poly, Sligo, Donegal, Mayo, Leitrim, over 30 years, but never his hometown club.....some rainy day fund

Mickey has strong family connections with Creggan, so reimbursement from our club was based on innuendo and not facts.

In fact he was in the club enjoying the celebrations on Sunday night with his family

Definitely got the right pedigree anyway.

Whats his pedigree Bannside

I'm more interested in the background to the names of clubs and ninknames.

Starting off, Brokencrossbar, whats the whole Crossmaglen wangers thing about

Wait til you's hear who Sam Maguire was..

Winning goal scorer for the Kickhams!!!

Ok, just checked the dates, 5th Dec. 20 days away. So another night won't harm them  But I'm sure Gerard won't let this opportunity pass, maybe I'm biased and been lucky enough over the years to watch various (not our latest teams achievements) but the older brigade of the club have great days out in the Ulster club championships.

Any word on Creggan's long standing injuries? Would these lads have a chance?

I believe one just went under the knife this week and the other one had an op recently, so can't see a return

Well within Antrim this year they haven't missed them, but obviously you'd still want them in your panel to bring from the bench.

Was wondering why the goal scorer has been used as a sub this year also, Sam

Sam has a few miles on the clock, (especially considering hurling aswell) might be making way for younger legs

Ok, just checked the dates, 5th Dec. 20 days away. So another night won't harm them  But I'm sure Gerard won't let this opportunity pass, maybe I'm biased and been lucky enough over the years to watch various (not our latest teams achievements) but the older brigade of the club have great days out in the Ulster club championships.

Any word on Creggan's long standing injuries? Would these lads have a chance?

I believe one just went under the knife this week and the other one had an op recently, so can't see a return

Welcome Lar. Indeed, next few years should be very interesting. Whether it's realistic or not, at least 6 or 8 clubs will give themselves some kind of a chance. The standard is levelling off, great for lots of competitive encounters, but no one going to trouble Glen or Kilcoo any time soon.

The Antrim scene now is very similar to Derry in the 80's early 90's, and that produced a few fireworks of championship games. The next few years should be entertaining

[Certainly, better than burning flags and emblems and even taking negativity out on a poor minion]

I'd say there is a good chance you will get them down in Marrons today

It's ok CB I get it you got caught up in celebrating with your family and many friends from Creggan, easy to get caught up on the euphoria

Certainly, better than burning flags and emblems and even taking negativity out on a poor minion.

Cargin have been in 21 county senior finals over the past 47 years and enduring defeat in 11.....

Learn from the experience, and having refuge to Mr Mac Namee on ten occassions thus far maybe he may well come a visiting again.....

CB, That didn't go down well in Creggan BTW, should not have happened. As has been said numerous times on here, there are loads of families that have split allegiances, and we have had good Creggan men scoring match winning goals living in Cargin and good Cargin men scoring match winning points living in Creggan, and none would have entertained this.

Cargin have paraded down the Staffordstown road after championship victories in the past, and it was received well, as we acknowledged they earned they right to parade, they won the fecking championship. No animosity, jealous yes, but animosity no.

On a more positive note, I had an emotional call home yesterday with my father and sister. The happiness that this victory has brought to my family is amazing. Club is everything to us and we've had our lows which makes yesterdays victory more powerfull.  The sense of pride within the whole community runs deep, and probably more so for the old timers who were around for the 54 title who have traveled the roller-coaster of highs and lows over the past 67 years.

Proud of the club, the work we've put into the facilities and youth for football, hurling, ladies football  and camogie over the past 20-30 years has lead to this. Yesterday morning the camogie team reached an Ulster Junior final and the senior footballers won the bigun.

Proud of the team and the way they've handled themselves over the past number of years. Good days allaround

So after predicting a Creggan loss in the semi, not sure what to do for the final. The character in the squad cannot be questioned, after two heart breaking final losses against our close neighbors, losing three key players for this years championship, I thought that this year was going to be a miss. Hopefully we'll have enough in the final, but Aghagallan are a team to be feared and I expect the final to be a close game.

Had a wee chuckle to myself reading the article on Aghagallan's recent history in Saffron Gael, as I realized I played in a number of the major achievements highlighted. Aghagallan beat Creggan in the SWA Junior final in Cargin in '88. They beat us well in the end and they had a really good young footballing team. I think we beat them the following year but for about four or five years we had a number of good hard games.

Creggan won Div 2 in 94 and we finally got over the line in Aghagallan. We took a team photo that day and in the backgound you could see some bemused 'gallan players wondering what all the fuss was about. Those were the days when you'd wait a while for league tables to be published and they were genuinely surprised we'd won. (There were better teams in the div, but we won nearly every game by a point or two)

When we won the Div 2 in 04 (I think) Aghagallan gave us a good beating in a council pitch in Lurgan, and we sneaked past them in the qtr or semi final.

I always enjoyed playing against Aghagallan and both clubs have come a long way from that 88 final

Now that the ref has been appointed, its only fair for me to have a chat on this thread. I've always came away from the thread during championship

Free count exactly the same for both teams, Cargin won 11 free's in the first half Creggan won 12, no technical fouls, Cargin had a few more advantage calls, one of which led to the goal. Creggan also picked up a yellow card, no notes or cards for Cargin.

Second half Cargin won more frees 11 frees to Creggan's 10. (even overall) Cargin had one for overcarrying call while Creggan had 1 throw ball and one overcarrying call also another yellow card.

As for the Gerard McCann hit, on reflection or after 3 views I understand why that would be looked at as a fair challenge, the ref has one second to call it, positionally had I been in a better place it could have been called differently so I'll take that one on the chin, but a tight call all the same.

I'm not sure what game CB was watching with those 'facts' I've watched it back recorded, timed and where the tackles happened and what came of them.

Cargin unusually missed a couple of easy frees for them, Tomas dropped one short and young Pat pulled one to the right of the post, very unlike the pair of them and Mick also missed from open play from about 21 yards out the right.

I wish Colm al the best, as said already on here, a very good ref and hopefully both teams allow him and his officials to do their job, we won't keep everyone happy, but we have a course every year for new ref's that are interested, you can PM me details and I'll forward them on to the referees panel. the quality of the armchair ref is of a very high standard and would be useful on days like Sunday

The big hit is /was a marginal call, and probably one of the tougher decisions to make on the day. I personally would have no issues if it wasn't called a foul as I feel the should hits are slowly ebbing away from football, )but are still present in hurling).

There are photos that indicate that the hit happened just in the front into the side chest not shoulder to shoulder. McCann clearly made a genuine attempt for a clean hit, so it was a tough one. Still not a big turning point, as our lad recovered straight away and was in the process of picking up the ball under no pressure before he realized it was a free, so the decision didn't prevent a turn over

[Why are the democrats not doing a better job of explaining CRT if it is so important to their program.]

If CRT is to become a staple piece in the education program, should the democratic party / education officials need to do a better job in communicating with parents about CRT, objectives, and teaching style to shut this down as an issue. As I've said previously, I'm a left of center democrat, but I've no idea if and how CRT is incorporated into the education system.

For example;

What is an academic discipline?

Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program?

Is it ok to set different scoring scales for different ethnic groupings in standardized testing due to the american education system was set up to  enforce "white supremacy" (De Blasio NYC specialist high school program)

Should it be taught in a civics class or history class or should it have its own stand alone class?

Should it be taught along with other social constructs; eg Marxism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, colonialism CRT etc

How it's taught; is it ok to separate white and non white kids into separate classes to teach the subject,  are there guidelines in place to not assert white guilt onto young children

Why are the democrats not doing a better job of explaining CRT if it is so important to their program.

And until they do, parents have a 100% right to challenge the school boards until they get clarity what is going on.

I've never heard any Democrat claim CRT is important to their program.

I've never heard of it in NYC schools, where my kids and my nephews are. And I'm very hands-on with what my kids are doing in school and homework.

The only reason we're hearing about this is because Fox News found a guy who saw some diversity training he didn't approve of and decided it would be a very effective political football to rile up the masses. Six months from now we'll be back to cancel culture. Or transgender bathrooms. Or stopping the steal again.

Next up we're due for another War on Christmas.

De Blasio was trying to base policy based on CRT. He basically came out and said that there were too many asians in the specialist schools and that acceptance into the schools should be representative the demographics of the city and not solely based on test scores.

In other areas you hear of CRT being taught in schools.

That's the reason for my question, Should critical race theory be a policy within a schools academic program, or a subset of the academic program? Either way there needs to be clarity

Here's the type of lunacy which we have to deal with in Massachusetts

Halloween "deemphasized" in Melrose Massachusetts in an effort to be "more inclusive"

I get it that Christmas and Columbus Day might not be entirely inclusive, but FFS after the year kids have had, let's take all the joy out of Halloween while we're at it.

Do these people just sit around and concoct solutions to problems which don't exist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/boston/2021/10/jimmy-kimmel-reacts-to-melrose-superintendents-decision-to-deemphasize-halloween-whos-feeling-marginalized-by-a-halloween-party.html%3foutputType=amp

(Kümmel joked that the superintendent's house will probably get egged. Now he's being accused of inciting violence against her)

To me, that's the other side of the coin from the CRT hysteria.

One side is scared shitless of leaving anyone out or offending anyone (at least their motives are honourable), the other is absolutely determined that the real, historical enslavement and oppression suffered by some groups of Americans be whitewashed over lest their kids have to grow up knowing that their country has treated those groups like shit and that that has had ongoing effects down to this day.

Thankfully, my kids get to learn about MLK and Rosa Parks and their noble struggle, while at the same time their very diverse public school allows them to wear their costumes in for a Halloween celebration.

Good point, well put.

the Democrats on the school board in loudon county Virginia weren't too worried about offending the father of a 14 year old girl who was raped in a transgender bathroom, when he went to a school board Meeting they had him arrested and covered up for the rapist two times. Sick f$cks

https://reason.com/2021/11/01/conservatives-wrongly-portrayed-the-loudoun-county-sexual-assault-as-a-transgender-bathroom-issue/

did they cover it up or not ? I made no issue about anything else

You pretty clearly implied that this issue was about transgender bathrooms and that issue's influence on the school board's decision making.

And got caught talking absolute shite yet again.

The story was in fact about the following:
i) The rape culture among young males - which the entirety of right-wing America simultaneously both indulges and denies. It denies there is such a culture among males in general, yet simultaneously claims there is such a culture among black males, in order to portray white males in general as virtuous because of their skin colour.

ii) The right-wing bullshit machine's constant efforts to completely demonise minorities it hates - in this case trans people. Trans people had nothing whatsoever to do with this bullshit "story".

There was a sexual assault by a male against a female.

Sid, one issue that I didn't like in this example was that this case was referenced in the letter that was sent to the USAG as an example of domestic terrorism at school board meetings. Merrick Garland based part of his decision to set up an FBI program to work with local authorities on that letter.

Terrible optics.

Also, was the boy trans gender? This seems to be an issue in that it was originally reported that he was, he wears a skirt to school etc, but once the rape came out the school board et al referred to him as a boy.  This has left the school board etc in a weakened positioned and open to attack. Needs some clarity