UK General Election 2017

Started by Eamonnca1, April 18, 2017, 07:09:42 PM

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Minder

Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2017, 08:34:14 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 22, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
This poll doesn't seem quite as one sided
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/Tory-lead-slashed-half-tax-U-turn.html
They have to raise taxes. Lower taxes and smaller Government are Tory articles of faith. Most Tory voters have no idea how awful the numbers are.

I don't think anyone knows Seafoid, except you
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: armaghniac on April 22, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
This poll doesn't seem quite as one sided
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/Tory-lead-slashed-half-tax-U-turn.html

You can be sure someone will be required to down play the extent of the Conservative lead to prevent complacency and nobody better to do it than the Daily Mail.

armaghniac

#137
I'd say the Daily Mail playing down the lead is very likely.

Quote from: Minder on April 23, 2017, 10:30:31 AM
I don't think anyone knows Seafoid, except you

in fairness, the UK Institute for Fiscal Studies would have done some research and they agree with Seafoid.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9141
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Hardy

Quote from: Hardy on April 19, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Betfair
Most seats
Tories 1/11
Lab. 14.5/1
Lib. 40/1
Tory majority 1/5
No majority 5.2/1


Two weeks on the Tories are consolidating strongly:
Most seats
Tories 1/20
Lab. 19/1
Lib. 150/1
Tory majority 1/11
No majority 13.5/1


stew

Quote from: Hardy on May 04, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 19, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Betfair
Most seats
Tories 1/11
Lab. 14.5/1
Lib. 40/1
Tory majority 1/5
No majority 5.2/1


Two weeks on the Tories are consolidating strongly:
Most seats
Tories 1/20
Lab. 19/1
Lib. 150/1
Tory majority 1/11
No majority 13.5/1
The tories are vile bastards!

labour is unfit to govern but I would vote for them if I lived in England, the Tories are vile bastards, did I mention the tories are vile bastards.


Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: stew on May 04, 2017, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 04, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 19, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Betfair
Most seats
Tories 1/11
Lab. 14.5/1
Lib. 40/1
Tory majority 1/5
No majority 5.2/1


Two weeks on the Tories are consolidating strongly:
Most seats
Tories 1/20
Lab. 19/1
Lib. 150/1
Tory majority 1/11
No majority 13.5/1
The tories are vile b**tards!

labour is unfit to govern but I would vote for them if I lived in England, the Tories are vile b**tards, did I mention the tories are vile b**tards.

How do the Tories differ from the Republican party?

How could you support the liberal Labour party?

armaghniac

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 04, 2017, 11:18:06 PM
How do the Tories differ from the Republican party?

They are monarchists.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: armaghniac on May 04, 2017, 11:34:38 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 04, 2017, 11:18:06 PM
How do the Tories differ from the Republican party?

They are monarchists.

I was thinking more in terms of the similarity of their policies such as their vote tonight to remove ordinary working Americans from their healthcare by repealing Obamacare and making healthcare much more expensive and beyond most citizens. Compare this to the treatment of the NHS under the tories since 2010.

seafoid

The Tories and the Republicans sell dreams to working class voters and then shaft them
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

NAG1

Is this enough for the Labour Party to oust Corbyn?
If not, will being wiped out at the GE be enough?

Tony Baloney


Owen Brannigan

Quote from: NAG1 on May 05, 2017, 08:53:07 AM
Is this enough for the Labour Party to oust Corbyn?
If not, will being wiped out at the GE be enough?

John McDonnell is already preparing the ground by setting up Corbyn as the messenger so that he can play failure in the polls to the membership that the problem was the messenger and not the message.  So, wait until the autumn conference, change the rule on the percentage or number of MPs needed to be nominated for the leadership from the current 25 to about half.  This will allow a suitable left supported candidate to be nominated in the next race when Corbyn will stand down in late autumn.

Until then the media will be blamed and the competence issue will not be mentioned with the race to the bottom, Labour incompetence making Tory incompetence in handling Brexit disappear.

ashman

Quote from: seafoid on May 05, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
The Tories and the Republicans sell dreams to working class voters and then shaft them

So no real difference with Dems and Labour then.

seafoid

Quote from: ashman on May 05, 2017, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 05, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
The Tories and the Republicans sell dreams to working class voters and then shaft them

So no real difference with Dems and Labour then.
there wasn't a huge difference between New Labour and the Tories once the money ran out.
But at times like now there is a difference,  The Tories work for capital. Labour will win élections (probably not this one) by standing up for workers.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

NAG1

Quote from: seafoid on May 05, 2017, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: ashman on May 05, 2017, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 05, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
The Tories and the Republicans sell dreams to working class voters and then shaft them

So no real difference with Dems and Labour then.
there wasn't a huge difference between New Labour and the Tories once the money ran out.
But at times like now there is a difference,  The Tories work for capital. Labour will win élections (probably not this one) by standing up for workers.

By the time Labour come back from this current disastrous period (IF they do) the damage will all be done. I've said it before all well and good to stand and shout the odds from the side lines and pretend to be standing up for workers, if you cant get elected it is all hot air.

Corbyn is a complete disaster for the Labour party.