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Owen Brannigan

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2017, 07:38:32 PM »
Too many West Wing watchers talking about empty chair debates!

May would absolutely steamroll through Corbyn in a debate anyway. Labour should be delighted to get away from the prospect.

Why wouldn't she then?!

Such debates always favour the minor players and not incumbents and allow the others to gang up on the incumbent to show their own views.

May has nothing to gain from a tv debate and plenty to lose.  She is not a natural performer and not as vain as Blair and Cameron who were style without substance and natural performers.  She knows she would leave some hostages to fortune.  AT PMQs she shows that she has some grasp of the facts but just repeats prepared lines.

On top of all of that she doesn't need to do the tv debate while the others do need it for exposure.

In addition she does not want to give Corbyn a sympathy vote as she treats him in a derisory fashion.
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« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2017, 07:40:06 PM »
ITV the first to confirm televised debate.  Puts May in a difficult position now.

Didn't Blair turn them down in 2005??
Are they not a more recent phenomenon, first one I recall was the GE that ended up with the Coalition government. Cameron wanted to increase his profile, Gordon Brown was resistant but did it as the Tory media got going at him.

An American phenomena going back to the Nixon debate.  Seen as essential for US audiences.  Never change any minds.

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« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2017, 08:18:14 PM »
Ken Clarke called Brexit Alice in Wonderland and that is what the Tories look like. More than half the MPs  voted Remain yet they all rowed behind May who is terrified of the Daily Mail. And she talks about leadership.
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« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2017, 08:22:44 PM »
From the Tony Fearon construct-your-own-joke book:

Don't March May into an April debate.
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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2017, 08:57:31 PM »
ITV the first to confirm televised debate.  Puts May in a difficult position now.

Didn't Blair turn them down in 2005??
Are they not a more recent phenomenon, first one I recall was the GE that ended up with the Coalition government. Cameron wanted to increase his profile, Gordon Brown was resistant but did it as the Tory media got going at him.

An American phenomena going back to the Nixon debate.  Seen as essential for US audiences.  Never change any minds.

Are you serious? It sunk Nixon when he ran against Kennedy. Dukakis crashed and burned on a capital punishment question. Rick Perry's little "oops" moment knocked him out of the Repukelican primaries. Obama kept his cool against Senator "mood swing" McCain and wiped the floor with Mitt Romney. Nick Clegg came from nowhere in his first TV debate and stoked a Lib-Dem comeback that led to a coalition government.

TV debates are huge.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2017, 09:10:06 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.

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« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2017, 09:14:22 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2017, 09:33:36 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2017, 09:39:53 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
Payrises are not happening.  Unemployment is low but a lot of jobs are crap. The Tories underestimate the patience of the voters at their peril.
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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2017, 09:50:12 PM »
According to the Telegraph.......

'Theresa May is likely to take part in a question and answer session in front a television audience before the general election after she was heavily criticised by her opponents for refusing to debate with them.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/19/bbc-itv-collision-course-theresa-may-say-will-hold-televised/

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2017, 09:51:04 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
Payrises are not happening.  Unemployment is low but a lot of jobs are crap. The Tories underestimate the patience of the voters at their peril.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2017, 10:00:05 PM »
It is not the conditions that are most important but the fear of the alternative.

For example Tories will point out that the conditions are due to Labour mismanagement of the economy and leaving the deficit.  labour has a leader who is incompetent, no experience of government and will further bankrupt the country.

Brexit is accepted by the English and they want a good deal, who will deliver it.

Media will rip Corbyn apart and McDonnell with him.

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« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2017, 10:10:37 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2017, 10:25:35 PM »
ITV the first to confirm televised debate.  Puts May in a difficult position now.

Didn't Blair turn them down in 2005??
Are they not a more recent phenomenon, first one I recall was the GE that ended up with the Coalition government. Cameron wanted to increase his profile, Gordon Brown was resistant but did it as the Tory media got going at him.

An American phenomena going back to the Nixon debate.  Seen as essential for US audiences.  Never change any minds.
I was referring to the UK.