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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2017, 08:22:44 PM »
From the Tony Fearon construct-your-own-joke book:

Don't March May into an April debate.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2017, 08:57:31 PM »
ITV the first to confirm televised debate.  Puts May in a difficult position now.

Didn't Blair turn them down in 2005??
Are they not a more recent phenomenon, first one I recall was the GE that ended up with the Coalition government. Cameron wanted to increase his profile, Gordon Brown was resistant but did it as the Tory media got going at him.

An American phenomena going back to the Nixon debate.  Seen as essential for US audiences.  Never change any minds.

Are you serious? It sunk Nixon when he ran against Kennedy. Dukakis crashed and burned on a capital punishment question. Rick Perry's little "oops" moment knocked him out of the Repukelican primaries. Obama kept his cool against Senator "mood swing" McCain and wiped the floor with Mitt Romney. Nick Clegg came from nowhere in his first TV debate and stoked a Lib-Dem comeback that led to a coalition government.

TV debates are huge.
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« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2017, 09:10:06 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.

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« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2017, 09:14:22 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.
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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2017, 09:33:36 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2017, 09:39:53 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
Payrises are not happening.  Unemployment is low but a lot of jobs are crap. The Tories underestimate the patience of the voters at their peril.
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« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2017, 09:50:12 PM »
According to the Telegraph.......

'Theresa May is likely to take part in a question and answer session in front a television audience before the general election after she was heavily criticised by her opponents for refusing to debate with them.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/19/bbc-itv-collision-course-theresa-may-say-will-hold-televised/

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« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2017, 09:51:04 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
Payrises are not happening.  Unemployment is low but a lot of jobs are crap. The Tories underestimate the patience of the voters at their peril.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2017, 10:00:05 PM »
It is not the conditions that are most important but the fear of the alternative.

For example Tories will point out that the conditions are due to Labour mismanagement of the economy and leaving the deficit.  labour has a leader who is incompetent, no experience of government and will further bankrupt the country.

Brexit is accepted by the English and they want a good deal, who will deliver it.

Media will rip Corbyn apart and McDonnell with him.

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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2017, 10:10:37 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

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Cleggmania spreads across Britain
One sure-footed TV performance, and the Lib Dem leader has transformed the election campaign. Jane Merrick and Brian Brady tell the inside story of how he did it, and ask the key question: could it actually last?

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« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2017, 10:25:35 PM »
ITV the first to confirm televised debate.  Puts May in a difficult position now.

Didn't Blair turn them down in 2005??
Are they not a more recent phenomenon, first one I recall was the GE that ended up with the Coalition government. Cameron wanted to increase his profile, Gordon Brown was resistant but did it as the Tory media got going at him.

An American phenomena going back to the Nixon debate.  Seen as essential for US audiences.  Never change any minds.
I was referring to the UK.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2017, 10:33:28 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

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Cleggmania spreads across Britain
One sure-footed TV performance, and the Lib Dem leader has transformed the election campaign. Jane Merrick and Brian Brady tell the inside story of how he did it, and ask the key question: could it actually last?
The net five seats that the Liberals lost in that election certainly suggests it didn't.

Think the importance of debates is rather overblown, a 2/3 way head-to-head maybe but the cluttered versions here last year and in Britain in 2015 don't tend to shed much light. And elections are rarely won in debates, but they can be lost. The 2011 Presidential election being a case in point. Conversely Noonan was regarded as having got the better of Bertie in 2002 but fat lot of good it did FG on election day.

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« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2017, 11:19:00 PM »
Not definitive that Clegg's tv appearance helped his vote or the country had been fed that all problems were down to Labour and the country being bankrupt regardless of the bankers.  Voters moved to LD as next best to Labour but not moved to conservatives.  GB voters much different from those in US where it is a huge country and electorate impossible to reach by means other than TV.

Most voters tend to have fixed their views in the context of the state of the country or their views on the leaders.  By now most have been convinced by the media that Corbyn is a blunderer and May is a strong leader.  TV debate can only harm May and boost the others so she knows to stay away.

In NI, no evidence that the tv debates affected voting patterns but the audience figures did reflect interest and high turnout.
UK voters are pissed off. Real incomes are minus 15% vs 2008. So politics are volatile. May has not achieved anything
 Her image is more spin than substance. Maybe people will buy it.

We will soon see Seafoid, is unemployment not at lowest level since mid 70s?
Payrises are not happening.  Unemployment is low but a lot of jobs are crap. The Tories underestimate the patience of the voters at their peril.

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Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us
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« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2017, 12:02:30 AM »
Seafoid knows nobody who's got a pay rise in the north !! It's all collapsing around us

Where did he say that?
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