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[The provos became more about crime and killing than freedom fighting.]

Personally think that linking McGuinness in the Provisional IRA to the likes of Michael Collins in the Old IRA is nauseating.

The provos became more about crime and killing than freedom fighting. The truth of the matter, and the positive for McGuinness, is he eventually broke away from the terrorists and subsequently played a huge part in the peace process. Many provos accuse him and Adams of selling them out.

Mandela is a much better comparison than Collins. The difference with Mandela is we know more about Mandela's actions because he was in jail for so long. We don't know what McGuinness did in the 20 years after 1974, though I'm not sure that it matters, other than it forces him to tell lies.

Maybe so, but McGuinness had left them long before that happened

There is nothing to throw at wee Mickey other than that awful shite he writes as poetry and the fact that he is tiny and would look silly in photos. We therefore have a winner 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udIGH58fmiU

Listen, there's a recession on!!

Don't really think it will make much difference to the hardcore Dana voters, they are more for her on social/religious grounds.
She'll loss some of the floaters she's attracted though.

Who's next Gallagher or Tiny Tim/Dobbie?

Odds-on Gallagher!  He's on the up...he'll have to be cut down!

Gordon McQueen diagnosed with cancer


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Former-Manchester-United-and-Scotland-defender-Gordon-McQueen-diagnosed-with-cancer-of-the-larynx-article808961.html

Sad news.  I'm old enough to remember him in his heyday.  Great player.  Get well soon.

[Edit: Bate me to it there muppet, I'm getting slow in my old age]

You're right there Main Street she does have the right to hold both nationalities.  She is still (I think) an Irish citizen and therfore entitled to stand for President.

But to use FG words is she an "appropriate" candidate given she took this oath?

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Whatever about Marty being Commander in Chief of the Defence Forces, should we have a Commander in Chief who would be required to bear arms on behalf of the USA??

Edit:  Bate me to it there muppet, I'm getting slow in my old age

Irel v Wal - Ireland by 6
Fra v Eng - France have been so woeful you couldn't back them. England by 3
SA v Aus - Saffers by 10
NZ v Arg - All Blacks by 20

[(not because she is from the North]

If you told anyone in 2007 that Enda Kenny would be Taoiseach, Michael Noonan - Minister for Finance, Fianna Fáil almost extinct, Gerry Adams a T.D., Ming in Dáil Éireann, Bertie an national pariah, A black president of the United States of America, Dublin All-Ireland Champions, 4 Irish provinces in the Heineken Cup they would have had you committed.

Maybe it will be bible Bunreacht na hÉireann bashing Dana for the suprise win 

Dana is the one thats begining to annoy me the most now (not because she is from the North    ). She will have that book in tatters she waves it around so much.

Born in London...nathin' to do with us!!

Not only is she not from the North...she's not even Irish!!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/1007/1224305390909.html

COLM KEENA, Public Affairs Correspondent

DANA ROSEMARY Scallon became a US citizen prior to putting her name forward for the 1997 presidential election but a decision was taken not to inform the electorate, her sister told a court in Iowa in 2008.

Ms Scallon, who is again a candidate for the presidency, confirmed yesterday that she was a US citizen but said she certainly had not tried to keep the fact secret. "I don't see it as any problem at all," she said.

Her sister Susan Stein gave evidence in 2008 that she discussed her sister's citizenship with Dana's husband, Damien Scallon, and Dana's brother and adviser in her current presidential campaign, John Brown, during the presidential contest in 1997.

"When she ran for the presidential election in Ireland, John and Damien and I had a meeting," Ms Stein told the US court. "She had just acquired her American citizenship, at the same time she was running for president of a foreign country, and the decision was made that it wouldn't look very good if the people of Ireland knew she was an American citizen."

Ms Scallon said yesterday her husband and her brother could not remember the conversation. She had not sought to keep her US citizenship secret. "Why would I? Wasn't de Valera ?"

She said that when going through the citizenship process she had been assured she could retain her Irish citizenship and that she wouldn't have become a US citizen otherwise. "I don't vote there. I only vote here."

People becoming naturalised US citizens take an oath renouncing their allegiance to all other states. Ms Scallon said she could not recall taking the oath. She said that being a US citizen did not bar her from becoming president of Ireland.

Ms Stein, who lives in Iowa but came to Ireland for her sister's 1997 election campaign, made her comments during a bitter row over the ownership of some of Dana's religious recordings.

Ms Scallon said her sister's comments were made in the context of a family dispute in which each side put forward its case. The sides reached an agreement in 2009 and it was a condition that they would not comment further, she said.

In his ruling in the dispute, Iowa judge Charles Wolle found that none of the witnesses in the case, who included Dana, spoke "only the truth" when giving their sworn testimony. He said both Dana and her sister had "convenient memories to some extent". Ms Scallon said yesterday the judge had made comments about everyone and "that's a judge's prerogative".

What height is Michael D, about 5´6" ?

On his tippy toes I'd say.

Antrim will be very happy with that draw, avoiding Armagh Tyrone and the Ulster champions

Monaghan will be confident of getting past us so that may work for Antrim

We'll take that, avoiding Tyrone, Derry, Donegal and Armagh is the best the Saffs could hope for.  A day out in Clones too!!

[complete scum]

Trying to remember what everyone said about the Terry family when his dad got arrested? What was it? Family of scum or something like that? Does the same rules apply? Just wondering like.

Yep but Terry's family are a shower of complete scum. Rooney's is just scum, mainly because they are dirty scousers that come from a council estate, so it's to be expected 

Where do "tramps" fit in the hierarchy?

I think too much is being made out of the Bank account and what comes out of it.  My wife and I have seperate accounts and a joint account.  My money goes into one account her money goes into another and we pay all our DDs etc out of the other.  It means we can keep an eye easily on what is paid and needs paid etc.  Now I am not saying MMG does it like that but maybe he does.  It's a non issue but politically it has done him a lot of favours and Mitchell a bit of harm.

I personally think you are thinking too deeply about the motives of FG AZ and I doubt they would even recognise that as a tactical ploy.  I think you give them too much political credence and I just reckon Mitchell is a dummy.  I don't think he will count.  As you say Dana is a looney tune and will not figure.  Davies and Gallagher are in it to further their own profiles and have no real hope/intention of winning it. That brings it down to a 3 horse race.

I think that the 'cool' vote will taper off for Norris.  I think that the establishment are scared of the skeletons in the closet and will continue to blacken his character in the next few weeks.  I honestly believe they could cope with a 'Provo' better than a 'Queer'(this is not my view, but how they would think.)  I think it is quickly becoming a 2 horse race between Mickey and Marty.  The safe pair of leprechaun hands will win it though because he is more or less flawless in terms of scandal etc and is a decent all round kind of man.  The difference could be though that once the SF election machine really ramps it up they are capable of creaing a very strong base of votes and if that is the case you never can tell.

This election will not be won/lost on the first count.  No matter how many first preferences he gets, it's the transfers that will do for Marty.

EDIT: Beat me to it deiseach!

If the Irish Times poll is any way accurate Gay has a lot more to worry about than how much Marty spends in TK Maxx.

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What's the difference between Dana and Martin McGuinness?
Nobody can remember Dana's hits.

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I think Boom Boom might be appropriate here, Hardy.

Ulster:

Prelim - Donegal v Cavan

Quarter Finals:
Fermanagh v Down
Cavan v Armagh
Derry v Tyrone
Monaghan v winners of Prelim

(Remember you heard it hear first)

poor wee Antrim

I'd be happy enough with that draw!!

[How about some Michael D poetry?]

Christ Quinn Martin - I remember that one now 

How about some Michael D poetry?

I wish the whole 7 would 'Aras and go NOW!'

Fixed that for you sp