Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

[Dreadnought]

For all the crying the Cavan lads do and sending 3 division 1 clubs to represent the county they came out of it with an Ulster Junior and no more. Great to see

Doesn't that actually tell you that the clubs really are at the level they're at, and that League doesn't mean so much? Mad you can't see that

Cavan lads were doing no crying. As we knew well this would be a possibility. We've always been shite in Ulster club, and an odd situation with league setup this one year wasn't going to change that. You'll just have to accept League wasn't the issue here

[tiempo]

Could clear this whole mess up with 2 simple steps. Cavan D1 is renamed Ulster Junior and the Kerry Junior is rebranded as the World Series.

And the other 26 counties with the same set up?

Quislings

[Applesisapples]

Here is the problem in this whole Junior/Intermediate/Senior thing. Some counties Senior teams are only of intermediate standard or even junior if you compare them with others. It tends to be more stark in hurling, when clubs at Junior and Intermediate level come up against clubs from traditional hurling counties that are in essence good enough to win senior in many non traditional counties. So the whole thing needs rethinking to make it fairer and more competitive, you would probably need A and B comps. In all probability the status quo probably suits the calendar but thought should be given to grading counties for provincial and AI comps. It may well be fair that Cavan only enters the Junior and Intermediate, certainly fairer than 3 senior or division 1 clubs qualifying.

[imtommygunn]

The hurling though drops teams down based on their county's standards. Football doesn't tend to do that. Outside the top tier of hurling counties I would say very few junior championship winners get to play in a provincial championship. (e.g. Castleblayney are in AI junior semi and are senior champions I think? the donegal team are senior donegal champions but intermediate ulster etc).

I think the difference is a bit starker in hurling. Dunno how you would grade this in the football. You have had antrim team win ulster, clare team munster, longford team leinster. Wouldn't happen in hurling.

[Applesisapples]

The hurling though drops teams down based on their county's standards. Football doesn't tend to do that. Outside the top tier of hurling counties I would say very few junior championship winners get to play in a provincial championship. (e.g. Castleblayney are in AI junior semi and are senior champions I think? the donegal team are senior donegal champions but intermediate ulster etc).

I think the difference is a bit starker in hurling. Dunno how you would grade this in the football. You have had antrim team win ulster, clare team munster, longford team leinster. Wouldn't happen in hurling.

Yes that is correct hurling does do that, but When Craobh Run from Armagh won Ulster they were well beaten in the AI semi because they came. up against a Junior team from a traditional county that would probably win Senior in Armagh or Monaghan.

[smort]

You couldn't grade football the same way they do in hurling

Take Éire Óg OF Carlow for example, didn't they win 4 or 5 leinster senior titles in a row? Carlow wouldn't have be graded senior if a hurling system was introduced

[imtommygunn]

Look at st galls, clare have a few champions, the Longford champions etc.

The hurling works well as Naas have won ai intermediate, I think the mayo champions did too, Castleblayney have been in an AI final etc etc but I don't think it's comparable to the football. These teams, though Naas were an exception this year, would get tanked at senior level.

[Armagh18]

The hurling though drops teams down based on their county's standards. Football doesn't tend to do that. Outside the top tier of hurling counties I would say very few junior championship winners get to play in a provincial championship. (e.g. Castleblayney are in AI junior semi and are senior champions I think? the donegal team are senior donegal champions but intermediate ulster etc).

I think the difference is a bit starker in hurling. Dunno how you would grade this in the football. You have had antrim team win ulster, clare team munster, longford team leinster. Wouldn't happen in hurling.

Yes that is correct hurling does do that, but When Craobh Run from Armagh won Ulster they were well beaten in the AI semi because they came. up against a Junior team from a traditional county that would probably win Senior in Armagh or Monaghan.

They were beat in England were they not? And not by an awful pile if i remember. Mind talking to lads at thag time and the English team had lads from likes of Tipp playing.

[SaffronSports]

The hurling though drops teams down based on their county's standards. Football doesn't tend to do that. Outside the top tier of hurling counties I would say very few junior championship winners get to play in a provincial championship. (e.g. Castleblayney are in AI junior semi and are senior champions I think? the donegal team are senior donegal champions but intermediate ulster etc).

I think the difference is a bit starker in hurling. Dunno how you would grade this in the football. You have had antrim team win ulster, clare team munster, longford team leinster. Wouldn't happen in hurling.

Castleblayney lost the Monaghan final after winning it a pile of years in a row.

Setanta are indeed Donegal senior champions but only went into Intermediate this year because they won Junior last year by beating Glenarm in Celtic Park so they had to increase the grading for Donegal hurling.

[general_lee]

Hurling is a different kettle of fish. No matter who wins Armagh's SHC the winners will always be intermediate standard. In reality Armagh has a couple of intermediate standard clubs (Keady & Middletown) a strong junior club (Cuchulainn) and the rest middling/lower junior standard (Derrynoose, Craobh Rua, Sean Treacy's, St Malachy's, Killeavy).

I think most people know where a club is really at, regardless of what grade they're masquerading at. Cullyhanna in Armagh for example had a lull for a few years but will stay senior going forward.

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

Could clear this whole mess up with 2 simple steps. Cavan D1 is renamed Ulster Junior and the Kerry Junior is rebranded as the World Series.

😂😂😂 that's funny to be fair!

[Hoof Hearted]

Bigger gap in junior hurling than football going by the first half here

[Milltown Row2]

Bigger gap in junior hurling than football going by the first half here

Watched that game, Kilkenny teams at Junior and Intermediate level are different gravy

Walter Walsh played like an intercounty player against a junior team.. the others stepped up and were relentless in tackling and chasing players down. Some decent scores at that level

[twohands!!!]

Bigger gap in junior hurling than football going by the first half here

Part of the issue is that Cork send the winners of their 3rd and 5th tier hurling competitions to compete in the Munster/All-Ireland championships same as they do with the football.

This is all so the 2nd tier clubs can call themselves senior, and the 3rd and 4th tier clubs can call themselves intermediate.

[Milltown Row2]

Bigger gap in junior hurling than football going by the first half here

Part of the issue is that Cork send the winners of their 3rd and 5th tier hurling competitions to compete in the Munster/All-Ireland championships same as they do with the football.

This is all so the 2nd tier clubs can call themselves senior, and the 3rd and 4th tier clubs can call themselves intermediate.

Outside of Kilkenny, Cork have are second on the list of winners in junior and intermediate hurling.

Club hurling in Cork is very good at lower grades, Kilkenny I think have senior intermediate junior and maybe junior b.

Wouldn't have anything near as many clubs as Cork but the standard is very high.