Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

[ClubScene13]

Cavan posters, some good points from yourselves I'll not say different. But Killygarry / Denn are not the example to be putting forward if, as you say, they aren't trying a leg in the league all year.

Treating a league like it has no jeopardy is poor but if that's the way its always been then... we'll agree to disagree, I don't like 3 ulster reps playing Div 1 ball but I take some of your points

[Itchy]

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

[intheknowhow]

It's not as far away as the griping above would make you believe.

There won't be a perfect system. There won't even be a close to perfect system. You can't stop stars aligning.

Three simple measures should be easy to implement across the board:

1. When a club wins its county's IFC or JFC, for the subsequent season, they must play at a higher championship level. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

2. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 10th place or higher, then they must compete in their county's SFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

3. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 20th place or higher, then they cannot play in their county's JFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.


No. 1 is a no-brainer.

Nos. 2 and 3 could run into logistics issues in smaller counties, but in those cases the ranges could be adapted accordingly.

I know I know I know that in some in counties they don't take league football seriously. But you know what? There's clubs everywhere forking out a fortune for management teams and toys all year round. The least they could do in return is try harder in league football.

Good points but some counties obviously have more clubs. The issue I have with Cavan is they actually have 3 divisions , same as Tyrone and Monaghan.

How any Cavan man can come here and argue that it's totally fine their 3 representatives this year playing div 1 football had no bearing on the championship is talking through their hoop.

[intheknowhow]

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Do they have junior champ teams playing div 1?

[Cavan19]

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Do they have junior champ teams playing div 1?

                        

[tonto1888]

As an Armagh man I like how our league and championship are linked. As for other counties, how they run their championship is up to them and none of my business, or interest tbh. When an Armagh team plays another county championship in Ulster or beyond they'll win of they're good enough.

[statto]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

Cullyhanna were the 18th placed team in the Armagh league structures this season. No cooking the books in Armagh, unlike Cavan.

Do you think if every club in Armagh are at full strength that they're the 18th best team in the county? Personally, I don't. They would push, and probably beat, teams such as Mullabawn, Dromintee, Silverbridge. The fact they're in intermediate due to a poor league performance in 2022, when they were short of their best players, shows why league and championship shouldn't be linked in my view.

Good luck to Cullyhanna in the final, it would be great to see them get a crack at an all Ireland.

At full strength they're a similar standard of about 10 teams in Armagh who'd all beat each other on any given day. They were short their best players for near 15 years and stayed senior that entire time. They'd a few extra men unavailable for one reason or another last year and got relegated. Not like any eyebrows were raised, they then lost 4 times in the 3rd tier of the leagues this year which IMO shows that was their level.

In fairness they suffered most of their league defeats with the 3 county men away. They turned into a different team after Armagh were knocked out this summer; at intermediate level the county players make such a difference - as you would hope / expect.

They lost to Culloville towards end of league with their county contingent and they lost their last league game against St Pauls with them also when they had a chance to still win the league.  Culloville beat them twice and where deserving league winners. 

[full moon]

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Meath are the same

[galwayman]

I'm alm

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Meath are the same

I'm almost certain it was a Croke Park directive that resulted in the unlinking of league and championship in Galway football anyway.
Around 2011 if memory serves.

[intheknowhow]

I'm alm

I can tell you I spoke to 3 lads at lunch there, from Sligo, Galway and Mayo. Their league and championship totally seperate too. Bar the couple on northern counties I haven't come across any that are linked

Meath are the same

I'm almost certain it was a Croke Park directive that resulted in the unlinking of league and championship in Galway football anyway.
Around 2011 if memory serves.

That's totally fine with the volume of clubs in your county. It evens out over the 5/6/divisions.

Big when you have 3 divisions, 3 championships..

[full moon]

It's not as far away as the griping above would make you believe.

There won't be a perfect system. There won't even be a close to perfect system. You can't stop stars aligning.

Three simple measures should be easy to implement across the board:

1. When a club wins its county's IFC or JFC, for the subsequent season, they must play at a higher championship level. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

2. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 10th place or higher, then they must compete in their county's SFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

3. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 20th place or higher, then they cannot play in their county's JFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.


No. 1 is a no-brainer.

Nos. 2 and 3 could run into logistics issues in smaller counties, but in those cases the ranges could be adapted accordingly.

I know I know I know that in some in counties they don't take league football seriously. But you know what? There's clubs everywhere forking out a fortune for management teams and toys all year round. The least they could do in return is try harder in league football.

Good points but some counties obviously have more clubs. The issue I have with Cavan is they actually have 3 divisions , same as Tyrone and Monaghan.

How any Cavan man can come here and argue that it's totally fine their 3 representatives this year playing div 1 football had no bearing on the championship is talking through their hoop.

Is it fair that some clubs like Kilmacud have over 5,000 members and will likely will another All Ireland?

Is it fair that some clubs can pay inter county level managers payments likely reaching 6 figures?

Is it fair that some clubs can cherrypick players from weaker clubs without sanction?

Is it fair that Glenullin the Derry champs can win the Intermediate every year and remain Intermediate for 3 years?


All of that is happening especially with some of the bigger clubs

[full moon]

Arva stroll to a Ulster junior championship, pretends to be shocked...

In other provinces, people might be more likely to get behind the province winners, especially with how Kerry and Dublin are so dominant in club All Ireland

[tonto1888]

It's not as far away as the griping above would make you believe.

There won't be a perfect system. There won't even be a close to perfect system. You can't stop stars aligning.

Three simple measures should be easy to implement across the board:

1. When a club wins its county's IFC or JFC, for the subsequent season, they must play at a higher championship level. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

2. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 10th place or higher, then they must compete in their county's SFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

3. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 20th place or higher, then they cannot play in their county's JFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.


No. 1 is a no-brainer.

Nos. 2 and 3 could run into logistics issues in smaller counties, but in those cases the ranges could be adapted accordingly.

I know I know I know that in some in counties they don't take league football seriously. But you know what? There's clubs everywhere forking out a fortune for management teams and toys all year round. The least they could do in return is try harder in league football.

Good points but some counties obviously have more clubs. The issue I have with Cavan is they actually have 3 divisions , same as Tyrone and Monaghan.

How any Cavan man can come here and argue that it's totally fine their 3 representatives this year playing div 1 football had no bearing on the championship is talking through their hoop.

Is it fair that some clubs like Kilmacud have over 5,000 members and will likely will another All Ireland?

Is it fair that some clubs can pay inter county level managers payments likely reaching 6 figures?

Is it fair that some clubs can cherrypick players from weaker clubs without sanction?

Is it fair that Glenullin the Derry champs can win the Intermediate every year and remain Intermediate for 3 years?


All of that is happening especially with some of the bigger clubs

you cant really do muchabout the first one. It is what it is
Paying and cherry picking is something which shouldnt go on but does. Do cCP turn a blind eye?
How have they been able to do that? Surely if you win your int championship you play in senior the following year? Surely that is one which can be sorted out fairly quickly

[full moon]

Cill Ma Martra finished 5th in the Cork Division 1 this year

[full moon]

It's not as far away as the griping above would make you believe.

There won't be a perfect system. There won't even be a close to perfect system. You can't stop stars aligning.

Three simple measures should be easy to implement across the board:

1. When a club wins its county's IFC or JFC, for the subsequent season, they must play at a higher championship level. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

2. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 10th place or higher, then they must compete in their county's SFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

3. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 20th place or higher, then they cannot play in their county's JFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.


No. 1 is a no-brainer.

Nos. 2 and 3 could run into logistics issues in smaller counties, but in those cases the ranges could be adapted accordingly.

I know I know I know that in some in counties they don't take league football seriously. But you know what? There's clubs everywhere forking out a fortune for management teams and toys all year round. The least they could do in return is try harder in league football.

Good points but some counties obviously have more clubs. The issue I have with Cavan is they actually have 3 divisions , same as Tyrone and Monaghan.

How any Cavan man can come here and argue that it's totally fine their 3 representatives this year playing div 1 football had no bearing on the championship is talking through their hoop.

Is it fair that some clubs like Kilmacud have over 5,000 members and will likely will another All Ireland?

Is it fair that some clubs can pay inter county level managers payments likely reaching 6 figures?

Is it fair that some clubs can cherrypick players from weaker clubs without sanction?

Is it fair that Glenullin the Derry champs can win the Intermediate every year and remain Intermediate for 3 years?


All of that is happening especially with some of the bigger clubs

you cant really do muchabout the first one. It is what it is
Paying and cherry picking is something which shouldnt go on but does. Do cCP turn a blind eye?
How have they been able to do that? Surely if you win your int championship you play in senior the following year? Surely that is one which can be sorted out fairly quickly

Derry did not promote Intermediate winners from last year or this year. Which is very unusual