Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

[Wildweasel74]

If they playing Division 1 league they should be a Division 1 team, Ballymaguigan is a Junior team playing Div 3 Football, what about teams at their level not getting a fair craic at it, there 2 entire leagues above them football wise,

[ranch]

I don't see what the outrage is regarding the Cavan junior champions being in division 1. League and championship shouldn't be linked as far I'm concerned.
Armagh this year is the perfect example of why they shouldn't be linked.
Look at the Armagh senior championship this year - 16 teams entering into a group stage, seeded based on league positions. So a small club like Shane O'Neills are missing their 3 county players for 90% of their league games, come bottom of division 1b and get punished by a being a bottom seed in the senior championship.
Cullyhanna are another example of the problems caused by linking both - they get relegated in the league in 2022 as they have 3 or 4 players away with the county team. As a result they also move down championship and walk to an intermediate championship in 2023. The Cavan system seems to be much fairer than this.

[ClubScene13]

Pomeroy v Cullyhanna should be a serious game on Saturday evening - there's every chance this is the 2 strongest teams meeting in the 1st round. Could be wrong of course but on paper I'd say that's the case.

Pomeroy maybe stronger all around 15 but Cullyhanna are very capable as they've shown, and have some star power.

Would Killanny or Ballyhaise be up to much? I'd already be expecting a Monaghan Cavan junior final for reasons stated above. Maybe Fintona to upset Blackhill but they seem to have good pedigree at the level.

[Cavan19]

Pomeroy v Cullyhanna should be a serious game on Saturday evening - there's every chance this is the 2 strongest teams meeting in the 1st round. Could be wrong of course but on paper I'd say that's the case.

Pomeroy maybe stronger all around 15 but Cullyhanna are very capable as they've shown, and have some star power.

Would Killanny or Ballyhaise be up to much? I'd already be expecting a Monaghan Cavan junior final for reasons stated above. Maybe Fintona to upset Blackhill but they seem to have good pedigree at the level.

Ballyhaise would be a big strong team with some very good footballers but whether they can do it in Ulster is another thing they got over the line handy enough in Cavan this year.

[JoG2]

I don't see what the outrage is regarding the Cavan junior champions being in division 1. League and championship shouldn't be linked as far I'm concerned.
Armagh this year is the perfect example of why they shouldn't be linked.
Look at the Armagh senior championship this year - 16 teams entering into a group stage, seeded based on league positions. So a small club like Shane O'Neills are missing their 3 county players for 90% of their league games, come bottom of division 1b and get punished by a being a bottom seed in the senior championship.
Cullyhanna are another example of the problems caused by linking both - they get relegated in the league in 2022 as they have 3 or 4 players away with the county team. As a result they also move down championship and walk to an intermediate championship in 2023. The Cavan system seems to be much fairer than this.

Read that back to yourself a couple of times

[DuffleKing]

I may have missed the explanation for this but did Glenullin not won the intermediate championship in Derry last year?

[JoG2]

No promotion re championship in Derry this year. Ballymaguigan and Glenullin back to back winners

[clarshack]

I may have missed the explanation for this but did Glenullin not won the intermediate championship in Derry last year?

Yes they did. Always thought that if you were to win your own counties IFC or JFC 2 or more years in a row that you didn't get to play after the first year in the provincial series. I suppose nobody is really getting upset about Glenullin because they were stuffed in the first round last year. There'd probably be more outrage if they had went further in Ulster last year and then stayed down to try and win it this year.

[tiempo]

No promotion re championship in Derry this year. Ballymaguigan and Glenullin back to back winners

Its in the official guide that you are automatically promoted via Champ win and if that isn't the case in Derry its a) f**king embarrassing and b) against the rule, but mainly (a). Major red flag that a club has no ambition if they accept another year at the lower level

[clarshack]

No promotion re championship in Derry this year. Ballymaguigan and Glenullin back to back winners

Its in the official guide that you are automatically promoted via Champ win and if that isn't the case in Derry its a) f**king embarrassing and b) against the rule, but mainly (a). Major red flag that a club has no ambition if they accept another year at the lower level

Did you not see the celebrations after the final whistle?. You'd have had thought it was their first championship title in decades. Embarrasing stuff.

[Wildweasel74]

In Derry it was 2 up 2 down for as many years as I remember, then pulled the stunt of the 2nd place team play the 2nd lower above in a play off, Derry Championship never dictated going up and tha be the same in many a county, handbook or not.

[clarshack]

No promotion re championship in Derry this year. Ballymaguigan and Glenullin back to back winners

Craigbane won Derry Junior last year?

[InnocentByStander]

No promotion re championship in Derry this year. Ballymaguigan and Glenullin back to back winners

Its in the official guide that you are automatically promoted via Champ win and if that isn't the case in Derry its a) f**king embarrassing and b) against the rule, but mainly (a). Major red flag that a club has no ambition if they accept another year at the lower level

Neither two of these teams won their championships easy, Glenullin went to ET in both SF and final and should have lost the final so it was no walk in the park for them, they also played in Div 2 so they are a true Intermediate side. Guigan also did not win their championship handy coming through a tough SF with Bellerin and also played in Div 3. Dont see a problem with teams staying in same division and especially in this case as both teams would be whipping boys if they went up.

There is however a major problem with a club playing and staying in div 1 playing senior teams all year and then dropping down 2 grades to walk their own county and more than likely to an ulster title. Not far on these teams in Div 3 dead rubber year for them.

[InnocentByStander]

No promotion re championship in Derry this year. Ballymaguigan and Glenullin back to back winners

Its in the official guide that you are automatically promoted via Champ win and if that isn't the case in Derry its a) f**king embarrassing and b) against the rule, but mainly (a). Major red flag that a club has no ambition if they accept another year at the lower level

Did you not see the celebrations after the final whistle?. You'd have had thought it was their first championship title in decades. Embarrasing stuff.

One of the worst posts I have ever read. Fellas train all year for one reason to win their championship god forbid they celebrate. Also they were underdogs for the final and scored a last minute goal just to get to ET.

So the embarssing stuff here is your post for trying to out a team for winning a championship

[JoG2]

No promotion re championship in Derry this year. Ballymaguigan and Glenullin back to back winners

Craigbane won Derry Junior last year?

Sorry, yes. Ballymaguigan beaten finalists