Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

[clarshack]

There's no argument. It's unfair in the extreme. 'Guigan are a good junior side. For them to go up against a Div 1 is absolutely ridiculous and makes a farce of the competition...it usually takes the competition to reach farcical levels @ All Ireland semi final stages when you get a junior team v Kerry Div 1 turkey shoot.

I actually would have had Ballymaguigan ranked joint 2nd with Blackhill out of the 9 teams before the competition started with Fintona next.

[Itchy]

Looking at Wikipedia only 3 Cavan clubs have won this competition since 2001.

Keeping league and championship seperate I suggest is the way the vast majority of counties do things as far as I'm aware (that's why I asked for what other counties do).

Anyway, Arva haven't won anything yet.

[Armagh18]

Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

So let me get this right. I those counties if you win intermediate you are automatically promoted to senior and to Div1?

If you win Div2 league you automatically get promoted to the senior Championship too?

Of course

Ok but then how do you keep equal teams in your league and championship? Isn't it possible 2 teams could go up to senior every year (intermediate champions and Div2 winners). Do 2 teams get related then when that happens?

2 up 2 down every year. So we have leagues of 8 senior A and B, intermediate A and B and Junior which splits into A and B half way through the year. Bottom 2 in senior A drop to senior B, and so on. Intermediate A league winners and winners of intermediate championship go straight to senior B league the following year. If a team does the double then 2nd in the league go up with them.

[clarshack]

Looking at Wikipedia only 3 Cavan clubs have won this competition since 2001.

Keeping league and championship seperate I suggest is the way the vast majority of counties do things as far as I'm aware (that's why I asked for what other counties do).

Anyway, Arva haven't won anything yet.

Arva's biggest test before they play Listowel in the All Ireland Final (yes it's that predictable) will be the Twinning Final/All Ireland 1/4 Final against the British Champions most likely Wandsworth Gaels who beat Glasgow Gaels today in the semis.

[SHEEDY]

Anyone in owenbeg today? Reports that referee was pushed and linesman hit by a Ballymaguigan player who was sent off.

[Brendan]

Anyone in owenbeg today? Reports that referee was pushed and linesman hit by a Ballymaguigan player who was sent off.

https://www.northernsound.ie/sport/arva-too-strong-for-ballymaguigan-in-ill-tempered-contest-225254?utm_campaign=web&utm_source=messenger&utm_medium=web

[clarshack]

Anyone in owenbeg today? Reports that referee was pushed and linesman hit by a Ballymaguigan player who was sent off.

https://www.northernsound.ie/sport/arva-too-strong-for-ballymaguigan-in-ill-tempered-contest-225254?utm_campaign=web&utm_source=messenger&utm_medium=web

That referee did the Ulster Junior Final between Stewartstown and Drumlane last season and while the Harps ended up lifting the trophy he absolutely favoured the Cavan team throughout the contest. I'm not surprised to see a headline like this and the Ulster Council have had a nightmare this weekend with referees in the Ulster Junior Championship. He's a Donegal referee but somebody told me he is a Guard stationed in Cavan but don't know how true that is.  Think there was controversy with him as well in the 2022 Donegal Senior Final.

[clarshack]

Anyone in owenbeg today? Reports that referee was pushed and linesman hit by a Ballymaguigan player who was sent off.

https://www.northernsound.ie/sport/arva-too-strong-for-ballymaguigan-in-ill-tempered-contest-225254?utm_campaign=web&utm_source=messenger&utm_medium=web

That referee did the Ulster Junior Final between Stewartstown and Drumlane last season and while the Harps ended up lifting the trophy he absolutely favoured the Cavan team throughout the contest. I'm not surprised to see a headline like this and the Ulster Council have had a nightmare this weekend with referees in the Ulster Junior Championship. He's a Donegal referee but somebody told me he is a Guard stationed in Cavan but don't know how true that is.

And the linesman??

Wee bit of victim blaming going on there. They were getting tanked with a minute left despite being a man up from before half time.

3 controversies that we know of with this referee in just over a year.

[Itchy]

Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

So let me get this right. I those counties if you win intermediate you are automatically promoted to senior and to Div1?

If you win Div2 league you automatically get promoted to the senior Championship too?

Of course

No if you win Intermediate in Antrim you play senior championship the next year but do not get promoted

So Antrim is not linked in that case.

Sorry, I thought I explained that. It is linked in that you cannot play down. If you are Division 1 you can't play intermediate or junior. If you are Division 2, you can't play junior. But you can play up. You might have to or you can apply to.

So just to clarify, if in Antrim you are a Junior Club in Div3. You win the Div3 league but you do not win the Junior championship. In this case next year you are in Div2 and also in the intermediate championship?

[Itchy]

Anyone in owenbeg today? Reports that referee was pushed and linesman hit by a Ballymaguigan player who was sent off.

https://www.northernsound.ie/sport/arva-too-strong-for-ballymaguigan-in-ill-tempered-contest-225254?utm_campaign=web&utm_source=messenger&utm_medium=web

That referee did the Ulster Junior Final between Stewartstown and Drumlane last season and while the Harps ended up lifting the trophy he absolutely favoured the Cavan team throughout the contest. I'm not surprised to see a headline like this and the Ulster Council have had a nightmare this weekend with referees in the Ulster Junior Championship. He's a Donegal referee but somebody told me he is a Guard stationed in Cavan but don't know how true that is.

And the linesman??

Wee bit of victim blaming going on there. They were getting tanked with a minute left despite being a man up from before half time.

3 controversies that we know of with this referee in just over a year.

He must be quare biased to cause his favourite team to win by 15 points even after playing half the game with 14 men

There is also no excuse to push a referee and strike a linesman. The big man that did it will be getting 12 month ban and deserves it too.

[clarshack]

Anyone in owenbeg today? Reports that referee was pushed and linesman hit by a Ballymaguigan player who was sent off.

https://www.northernsound.ie/sport/arva-too-strong-for-ballymaguigan-in-ill-tempered-contest-225254?utm_campaign=web&utm_source=messenger&utm_medium=web

That referee did the Ulster Junior Final between Stewartstown and Drumlane last season and while the Harps ended up lifting the trophy he absolutely favoured the Cavan team throughout the contest. I'm not surprised to see a headline like this and the Ulster Council have had a nightmare this weekend with referees in the Ulster Junior Championship. He's a Donegal referee but somebody told me he is a Guard stationed in Cavan but don't know how true that is.

And the linesman??

Wee bit of victim blaming going on there. They were getting tanked with a minute left despite being a man up from before half time.

3 controversies that we know of with this referee in just over a year.

He must be quare biased to cause his favourite team to win by 15 points even after playing half the game with 14 men

There is also no excuse to push a referee and strike a linesman. The big man that did it will be getting 12 month ban and deserves it too.

Agree that there is no excuse for what happened just saying that he seems to be a controversial referee.

[marty34]

As a matter of interest - is every county different in terms of whether or not there is a link between league and championship?
In Galway we used to have senior league, intermediate league, junior league etc. You played at that same grade for Championship.2 up and 2 down each year.
To get senior you either had to win the intermediate league or win the intermediate championship.
Restructure maybe 10-11 years ago removed the link between c'ship and league.
Your league division has nothing to do with what championship grade you play in at all.
My own club play junior championship but in our league (division 3) all
of the other teams play either intermediate or senior championship.
These provincial club championships are amazing competitions.
Played in a Connacht final a good few years back and was a brilliant experience.

There should be a link between league and championship, probably the fairest way when it comes to provincial club competitions. Cavan have a similar set up with Division 1 clubs plying their trade at Junior level - pretty ridiculous that clubs good enough to play Division 1 football are able to compete against genuine Junior clubs in Ulster competition.

As a matter of interest - is every county different in terms of whether or not there is a link between league and championship?
In Galway we used to have senior league, intermediate league, junior league etc. You played at that same grade for Championship.2 up and 2 down each year.
To get senior you either had to win the intermediate league or win the intermediate championship.
Restructure maybe 10-11 years ago removed the link between c'ship and league.
Your league division has nothing to do with what championship grade you play in at all.
My own club play junior championship but in our league (division 3) all
of the other teams play either intermediate or senior championship.
These provincial club championships are amazing competitions.
Played in a Connacht final a good few years back and was a brilliant experience.

There should be a link between league and championship, probably the fairest way when it comes to provincial club competitions. Cavan have a similar set up with Division 1 clubs plying their trade at Junior level - pretty ridiculous that clubs good enough to play Division 1 football are able to compete against genuine Junior clubs in Ulster competition.

Don't see why there should be a link. Teams play without county players for league so some teams would have a huge advantage. Arva winning comfortably despite playing a lot of game with 14.

Arva battered Ballymaguigan by 15 points and Ballymaguigan are no mugs. Looks very ominous for the rest of the teams left in the Ulster Junior Championship..

Great to see Arva prevail at the expense of the Derry Div 3 junior champions.
Maybe Derry should send Loup or Newbridge into junior next year, pick up some junior level silverware

To be fair I see the Swa had a handsome win in Ulster Junior hurling championship yesterday.

Fair point.

[marty34]

Let's have a quick check, in which Ulster counties are league and championship linked.

As you know, Cavan = not linked

What about the other Ulster counties?

Fyi few counties around me - Sligo, mayo, Galway = not linked

Why don't we check which counties in Ulster have Division 1 clubs playing Junior Championship:

Cavan

I see what you did there, you are very clever

Crazy that Div. 1 team can play Junior championship - a complete farce.

In Derry, to get relegated to Intermediate championship would be an embarrassment.  They'd find some loop hole to get out of it and stay in senior. 

[clarshack]

Let's have a quick check, in which Ulster counties are league and championship linked.

As you know, Cavan = not linked

What about the other Ulster counties?

Fyi few counties around me - Sligo, mayo, Galway = not linked

Why don't we check which counties in Ulster have Division 1 clubs playing Junior Championship:

Cavan

I see what you did there, you are very clever

Crazy that Div. 1 team can play Junior championship - a complete farce.

In Derry, to get relegated to Intermediate championship would be an embarrassment.  They'd find some loop hole to get out of it and stay in senior. 

The biggest farce in the history of the competition were the Cliffords running around pretending they were Junior Club players.

[Armagh18]

Let's have a quick check, in which Ulster counties are league and championship linked.

As you know, Cavan = not linked

What about the other Ulster counties?

Fyi few counties around me - Sligo, mayo, Galway = not linked

Why don't we check which counties in Ulster have Division 1 clubs playing Junior Championship:

Cavan

I see what you did there, you are very clever

Crazy that Div. 1 team can play Junior championship - a complete farce.

In Derry, to get relegated to Intermediate championship would be an embarrassment.  They'd find some loop hole to get out of it and stay in senior. 

The biggest farce in the history of the competition were the Cliffords running around pretending they were Junior Club players.

Fossa are a tiny club with a couple of once in a lifetime players.