Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

[general_lee]

As a matter of interest - is every county different in terms of whether or not there is a link between league and championship?
In Galway we used to have senior league, intermediate league, junior league etc. You played at that same grade for Championship.2 up and 2 down each year.
To get senior you either had to win the intermediate league or win the intermediate championship.
Restructure maybe 10-11 years ago removed the link between c'ship and league.
Your league division has nothing to do with what championship grade you play in at all.
My own club play junior championship but in our league (division 3) all
of the other teams play either intermediate or senior championship.
These provincial club championships are amazing competitions.
Played in a Connacht final a good few years back and was a brilliant experience.

There should be a link between league and championship, probably the fairest way when it comes to provincial club competitions. Cavan have a similar set up with Division 1 clubs plying their trade at Junior level - pretty ridiculous that clubs good enough to play Division 1 football are able to compete against genuine Junior clubs in Ulster competition.

As a matter of interest - is every county different in terms of whether or not there is a link between league and championship?
In Galway we used to have senior league, intermediate league, junior league etc. You played at that same grade for Championship.2 up and 2 down each year.
To get senior you either had to win the intermediate league or win the intermediate championship.
Restructure maybe 10-11 years ago removed the link between c'ship and league.
Your league division has nothing to do with what championship grade you play in at all.
My own club play junior championship but in our league (division 3) all
of the other teams play either intermediate or senior championship.
These provincial club championships are amazing competitions.
Played in a Connacht final a good few years back and was a brilliant experience.

There should be a link between league and championship, probably the fairest way when it comes to provincial club competitions. Cavan have a similar set up with Division 1 clubs plying their trade at Junior level - pretty ridiculous that clubs good enough to play Division 1 football are able to compete against genuine Junior clubs in Ulster competition.

Don't wee why there should be a link. Teams play without county players for league so some teams would have a huge advantage. Arva winning comfortably despite playing a lot of game with 14.

But if you're fit to play division 1 league without your county players why should you be playing junior championship with your county players lol

That's one outlier. When they got from division 3 to 1 they only had Ciaran Brady in county panel. Now have 3. A competition by it's nature is meant to be fair and even so linking two is in no way fair.

How's it not fair? You're either one of Senior, intermediate or junior. I've never seen anything as ridiculous in my life as Division 1 clubs playing Junior football.

[Itchy]

Let's have a quick check, in which Ulster counties are league and championship linked.

As you know, Cavan = not linked

What about the other Ulster counties?

Fyi few counties around me - Sligo, mayo, Galway = not linked

[DownFanatic]

Down was linked and was based on your league finishing position up until COVID then it changed.

[Itchy]

Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

So let me get this right. I those counties if you win intermediate you are automatically promoted to senior and to Div1?

If you win Div2 league you automatically get promoted to the senior Championship too?

[general_lee]

Let's have a quick check, in which Ulster counties are league and championship linked.

As you know, Cavan = not linked

What about the other Ulster counties?

Fyi few counties around me - Sligo, mayo, Galway = not linked

Why don't we check which counties in Ulster have Division 1 clubs playing Junior Championship:

Cavan

[Armagh18]

Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

So let me get this right. I those counties if you win intermediate you are automatically promoted to senior and to Div1?

If you win Div2 league you automatically get promoted to the senior Championship too?

Of course

[Armagh18]

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Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

Probably not a bad idea.

For example Cullyhanna there this year didnt win the league but got their 3 county men back and steamrolled the championship. Them being relegated though was an outlier due to retirements, emigration and county men missing. If they keep the lads together they'll probably finish mid to high table in the league and give senior championship a very good rattle with the county men in.

[Itchy]

Let's have a quick check, in which Ulster counties are league and championship linked.

As you know, Cavan = not linked

What about the other Ulster counties?

Fyi few counties around me - Sligo, mayo, Galway = not linked

Why don't we check which counties in Ulster have Division 1 clubs playing Junior Championship:

Cavan

I see what you did there, you are very clever

[Armagh18]

Let's have a quick check, in which Ulster counties are league and championship linked.

As you know, Cavan = not linked

What about the other Ulster counties?

Fyi few counties around me - Sligo, mayo, Galway = not linked

Why don't we check which counties in Ulster have Division 1 clubs playing Junior Championship:

Cavan

I see what you did there, you are very clever

I genuinely can't see the argument for a team that plays division 1 football to play at a lower level in championship. Can understand a team maybe playing up a level if they usually play league games without s few county men who make a big difference when they come back for the championship.

[clarshack]

In Tyrone the reason (or so I was told) for championship winners also being promoted into the league above was that they would be better prepared for the championship the following year by playing teams at the same level in that league.

IMHO I think there should be a rule that if there is a 2 Division gap (Division 1/Junior) like in the case of Arva then they don't get to play in the provincial championships like Divisional and 3rd teams don't get to play either.

[Itchy]

Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

So let me get this right. I those counties if you win intermediate you are automatically promoted to senior and to Div1?

If you win Div2 league you automatically get promoted to the senior Championship too?

Of course

Ok but then how do you keep equal teams in your league and championship? Isn't it possible 2 teams could go up to senior every year (intermediate champions and Div2 winners). Do 2 teams get related then when that happens?

[Itchy]

In Tyrone the reason (or so I was told) for championship winners also being promoted into the league above was that they would be better prepared for the championship the following year by playing teams at the same level in that league.

IMHO I think there should be a rule that if there is a 2 Division gap (Division 1/Junior) like in the case of Arva then they don't get to play in the provincial championships like Divisional and 3rd teams don't get to play either.

Maybe so. However this is a very unusual occurrence. I think I remember it happened in Cavan once before with Drumgoon, prob 20 yrs ago.

[Saffrongael]

Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

So let me get this right. I those counties if you win intermediate you are automatically promoted to senior and to Div1?

If you win Div2 league you automatically get promoted to the senior Championship too?

Of course

No if you win Intermediate in Antrim you play senior championship the next year but do not get promoted

[Itchy]

Antrim linked (though you can apply to play up, you can't play down)
Armagh linked
Tyrone linked

So let me get this right. I those counties if you win intermediate you are automatically promoted to senior and to Div1?

If you win Div2 league you automatically get promoted to the senior Championship too?

Of course

No if you win Intermediate in Antrim you play senior championship the next year but do not get promoted

So Antrim is not linked in that case.

[JoG2]

Let's have a quick check, in which Ulster counties are league and championship linked.

As you know, Cavan = not linked

What about the other Ulster counties?

Fyi few counties around me - Sligo, mayo, Galway = not linked

Why don't we check which counties in Ulster have Division 1 clubs playing Junior Championship:

Cavan

I see what you did there, you are very clever

I genuinely can't see the argument for a team that plays division 1 football to play at a lower level in championship. Can understand a team maybe playing up a level if they usually play league games without s few county men who make a big difference when they come back for the championship.

There's no argument. It's unfair in the extreme. 'Guigan are a good junior side. For them to go up against a Div 1 is absolutely ridiculous and makes a farce of the competition...it usually takes the competition to reach farcical levels @ All Ireland semi final stages when you get a junior team v Kerry Div 1 turkey shoot.