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Kevin would make the Derry team alright. He should be on the Antrim team but it wouldn't be Antrim unless there was some sort of infighting to feck their chances up.
You're awful cynical about Jody, SS2. That aul Tyrone hatred coming out on you?

Been cynical about young Gormley for years. Ever since his appointment as Antrim senior trainer, at a time when he would have worked with the then Antrim county board chairman (I introduced the word inveigled to the board at that stage), through his subsequent departure to become Down senior trainer, through his appearance along the line as Down under-21s progressed to an All-Ireland final, through him jumping ship when it was becoming increasing clear that Paddy O'Rourke was going to be replaced.

And then there's his record as Antrim manager, a worse league record than even Mickey Culbert managed and a totally inept championship defeat. Reaching the Tommy Murphy Cup final wasn't an achievement; ensuring Antrim didn't qualify for the competition would have been. His inconsistencies in terms of squad selection also rankle.

No Tyrone hatred (on this occasion) - it is possible to make a point objectively without allowing perceived bias to come into it.  Tyrone is a lovely place and the Mountains of Pomeroy is a nice song.

SS2 on one thread you talk about not mentioning Jody,Antrim and long term planning in same sentence and now your ridiculing him for his first years results.What do you expect- should he have a magic wand. I  would say he has made the first big step by laying the law down the law to Kevin and sticking to his principles (is it a coincidence that this panel stuck together for the full year and there was no dirty linen being washed in public unlike previous years). Generally players are'nt stupid and will see what they can get away with and Jody stood up to this test. If he was only interested in the short term he would have fielded his 15 most talented players however Antrim would have been no further forward. I can only imagine there is a sizeable number of the panel delighted that at long last someone decided that Kevin wasn't the boss and players will throw their weight behind a manager who is big enough to do this.
PS dont deny the Tyrone hatred - you should be proud of it

As an outsider it never ceases to amaze me why so many in Antrim continue to rave on about Kevin mc Grourty but to say Jody Gormley should build a team aroung him is hilarilious. Lets just say i dont think the building built on that foundation would last very long.We are talking here about someone who altough undoubtedly talented is one the most indisciplined players (on and off the field) in the present game. On the pitch he manages to annoy his teammates,the opposition and the referree in virtually every game while off it he has a track record of insulting the co board,management and his so called team "mates". Until Antrim forget about him and his like and start to build a team of talented, strong minded and discilpined individuals they will continue to go no where. I appreciate this is easier said than done and takes time and patience. JodyGormley seems to be going the right way about this. He sent out a strong message last year by dropping Kevin and not asking him back. This long term plan is the way forward for Antrim not by building a team around the afore mentioned individual.

Maybe some in Ulster would not have enjoyed his stewardship but an alot thought he did the right thing.I hate this generalisation that everyone in the north was completely against the absolving of rule 42 (and 21 for that matter).Some up north would like to move on as well.

Would have to say that altough quantity is greater in indo (think O Rourke is excellent altough Paudi not great) its very hard to beat the quality in the Tribune.Kieran Shannon (football) in particular carries out a level of research into what he's writing about which is alien to most journalists.When discussing a team or style of play etc he produces stats in very fine detail which make for very interesting reading.Enda mc Evoy is also fairly good on Hurling and like Shannon seems to have his ear fairly close to the ground.

Firstly Paddy's suspension or non-suspension is irrelevant when it comes to all stars unlike pre 1990's when being suspended automatically ruled you out of all-star contention. Altough Paddy was probably not as good as previous years i would defy anyone who SAW Paddy against Armagh,Mayo,Laois and Dublin to tell me who deserved the full forward award more.He was at least very good (if not excellent againsr Dublin and Laois)in all these games. Even against Monaghan when Derry were totally outplayed out the field and there was virtually no ball (not to mention quality ball) played into the full-forward line he still managed to score 1-1 from play.Again i ask you to tell me who deserved the no 14 jersey more and why? 

Would have to agree with GMS that Gary Mc Quaid deserved an award (altough knew due to lack of media hype knew that he would not get one).He was one of the most consistent players in the championship.
As regards the midfield you could make a case for any two out of four (O Se,Whelan,Murphy or Doherty).I thought they all had their moments altough they all had some poor periods. Have to say i cant believe that most people have o Se as a certainty.Was far from his best year as he was at best very average against Monaghan and Dublin.
Would also say that alot of people are very sore on Brogan.Any man who scores on average three points from play considering he is normally marked by the oppositions best man marker has to be in with a strong shout for an award.