The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Jurgen walks - Stallion vindicated

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ziggy90

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: dec on May 29, 2019, 04:08:42 PM
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Live coverage of the all-London UEFA Europa League Final between Chelsea and Arsenal at the Olympic Stadium in Baku, Azerbaijan. Presented by Tommy Martin

Less than half the tickets sold to the London supporters

Isn't that about the right percentage for the "tourist clubs"?
Questions that shouldn't be asked shouldn't be answered

seafoid

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/30/jamie-carragher-meets-jurgen-klopp-connected-liverpool-cannot/

Jamie Carragher meets Jurgen Klopp: 'Who connected to Liverpool cannot love what we are doing?


•   Jamie Carragher
30 May 2019 • 9:00am

Jurgen Klopp is vividly describing the moment his seven-year-old self fell in love with European football. He is conjuring images of audio commentaries, exotic names and venues and a sense of 'something special' capturing the mood of cities, nations and continents.
"You always knew when the big games were on," he tells me. "My mum would put me in the bath, put the radio on and for one and a half hours I was there. My skin was done. It is more the legend of the competition I remember – the big German players of Bayern Munich and at that time Borussia Monchengladbach... Rainer Bonhoff, Bertie Vogts, Uli Stielike and Jupp Heynckes."
Great German teams beaten by Liverpool, I remind him. Did he have a bath on the night of the 1977 European Cup Final?
"If you speak to German people and had to name a club that you associate with European nights it is Liverpool," he says. "It was not one specific game or final. It was the whole era. When a German side was playing it was always something you wanted to read about as a boy. Then you hear the names of these clubs – the big English teams were always involved. This is how you remember it."
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A more recent memory stirs Klopp. Regardless of the outcome against Tottenham Hotspur in Saturday's Champions League final, he may have already secured a precious Anfield legacy. For a moment, he is a child again.
"If I had watched the Barcelona game as a seven-year-old, I would remember it," he tells me.
"Everyone in football knows it was so special and it is not something you will see often in your life. Liverpool have gone from being the not most attractive girl in the village to a supermodel.
"We are one of the five or six best clubs in Europe again. I do not know when that was last the case but it was a while ago.
"That is why I am happy for the people. They see where their club is and think, 'Look at that. Look at that red. That is Liverpool'. This is what we feel now.
"If I am trying to make signings I don't have to convince players anymore and tell them what Liverpool is. That is obvious. I never had so many messages as I did after both Barcelona games. Everybody watched it, and thought, 'Wow, what was that?' I have never had so many compliments for the performance of my team.
"I don't know how many people watched but there will have been a few in the world. That makes it special as well – one game, a semi-final. There was no other game on the planet with such focus."

Whether a player, manager, fan or pundit, the enthusiasm of that seven-year-old football obsessive never leaves you, especially when the Champions League anthem plays. In my youth, it was the great AC Milan side of the mid-80s with Franco Baresi, Allesandro Costacurta and Marco Van Basten that caught my imagination. As a player, nothing eclipsed sharing the stage with the greatest players of my time. I tell Klopp Europe is what I most miss since retiring. I see the same passion in him.
"I love the Champions League. I love it as it is. I don't think there should be any change. It is exactly as it should be," he says.
"You play strong sides, and in the group stage there is the opportunity for other teams to surprise. Red Star Belgrade is not a small club, but the recent history of Red Star and Liverpool has changed a little bit and they beat us in a real, proper game. It is special.
"I love the night games, too. The moment the floodlights come on it feels different. There is the whole day to prepare - a little session in the morning and then leading towards the game and then go!
"And of course, we play half the games at Anfield, which I also love.
"I see the game like this: you have your club – not everyone but usually you have your club and for me it was Stuttgart – but when you see a good football game you appreciate it and say, 'Wow'."
The counter-argument, one Klopp has heard often especially in the build up to his third European final as a Liverpool manager, is it can never be solely about the experience. It has to be about more. It has to be about winning.
Even though the first Liverpool trophy has eluded Klopp, I feel he can oversee an Anfield golden age.
"Silverware-wise I am not sure if that is possible in an era of Manchester City because there is one team above all of us and we have to fight like crazy to be kind of close," he replies.
"But development wise, joy-wise, it can be a golden era and for me it is already.
"Who connected to Liverpool cannot be happy? Who cannot love what we are doing? Because step by step we are coming closer to everything. Okay, we didn't do it again in the league because of City, but we are again in a final and it is still very positive.
"Who can ever promise silverware? I can't do that. But in terms of the development of the club, putting the club where it belongs? We are there.
"This year was our first try for the Premier League. We could not try before because we had no weapons to try to be champions. This year, after the first five games, I was like, "We can try. We are in the flow". It forced us to a new level and City to a new level. Now we have to do it again and again.
"We have not lost one knockout round in Europe in our three years competing. Can I sit here and think, "We will win the final, 100 per cent?" I would never think that before any game. This is football. What I can say is we have never been better prepared as we are now.
"It sounds crazy to me that between 2013 and 2019 at Dortmund and Liverpool I have been four times in European final.  How is that possible? We lost all them and it does not feel good.
"But I have never had such a good team. This is the best team I have taken to a final. Dortmund was a good team but Bayern was much more experienced. In the end Bayern decided that game at Wembley with luck. No problem. You need it. We had none. 2-1. Thanks very much.
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Klopp experienced Champions League final defeat with Borussia Dortmund against Bayern Munich at Wembley in 2013 Credit: Getty
"Sevilla came at the end of the most intense season of my life. Three days after the final Premier League matchday we went to Basel, also more experienced than we were. Then last year we play the most experienced team there is in Real Madrid.
"This is a different final because if anyone is more experienced it is us."
It is clear to me what invigorates Klopp is the sense of being on a footballing journey. Personally - as his career took him from Mainz, Dortmund and now Liverpool - and collectively as he has overseen revivals rather than inherited successful teams.
Everyone felt Klopp and Liverpool would be a perfect fit, but what has made it work?
"I can't explain it. It was not conscious," he says.
"When I went to Mainz it became a very emotional football club. We put football in the middle of interest somehow because we were more offensive than before. I went to the university to give a speech about motivation and football and I asked them all, "Why the hell are you not coming to our stadium?" and told them why they should. I was close to giving away tickets. We were top of the second division and had 6,000 in our stadium.
"A few years later we had 20,000. It was like the Chicago Bulls. To get yourself a season ticket someone had to die.
Klopp and his players celebrate after the Barcelona game Credit: Action Plus
"Then with Dortmund, I knew how impressive the yellow wall and I knew it could fit, but it was not that I thought this was the only club where we could work. I had thought maybe Dortmund could be good, but who decides whether you get that chance?
"After this, Liverpool was always in my mind. But all the news that was coming to Germany about Liverpool was not positive. It was never about something developing there.
"It seemed to be Liverpool wanted to be something else but they could not do it. Being in the Bundesliga it was not like you follow the Premier League all the time. You might pick games but you are focused on your own games. I know the 2013-14 season was exceptional and there were good seasons before as well, but just generally that was the impression.

Carragher interviews Klopp Credit: Andrew Powell/Liverpool FC via Getty Images
"Then when I finished with Dortmund and I looked at the clubs maybe I could go.  I cannot explain why, but I saw Liverpool and I thought, "Yeah, Liverpool would be cool".
"Then when the call came, maybe late September or early October 2015, there was not much to convince. It was just a feeling. Why does it fit? Because I love football when it is everyone's interest.
"Okay, maybe in specific moments I do not need it all the time. But when the moment comes it is, "please, let's do this together", and that is what we have at Liverpool. Without really knowing it at the time that is the reason I came here. I felt we could make these experiences together."
If Klopp can win in Madrid it feels like it will mean more to him because of how the club has gradually navigated its course back to the top.
"The history was part of my decision, of course, but the potential meant much more," he says.
"When I came to Liverpool, there was a mood and a feeling where the people thought, "We can get Klopp?" I was not thinking like that. I was thinking at that moment that every manager in the world would run to Liverpool and I am ready.
"It is not that the starting point was not good. Obviously you do not want a starting point that does not give you a chance – you don't want to be in a situation where it can't get any worse but there is not much chance to make it much better – but the picture Mike Gordon (FSG president) gave to me at that time, what the club wanted to do, was impressive.
"Nobody spoke about money. They did not say, "We will give you £100m for players" and I did not ask for it. I remember liking the team more than a lot of other people did. Many of those players are still here.
"Of course, we brought a few in but it was a natural, healthy rebuild. We brought in potential and attitude and that led to quality. I saw a lot to work with, knew the new Main Stand was coming and even details like our new dressing room at Anfield gave me a bright view of the future.
"When you go into our dressing room now you think, "Two years too late for me!" We go there and it feels like home. It is the best dressing room in the Premier League and it is ours. These seem little details but it is so important the boys feel so comfortable.
"And I don't have to talk about the atmosphere now. People experience it. They see it on television, or in a pub or – if they are lucky – in the stadium."
That was never more apparent than in the semi-final, a comeback against Barcelona which enhanced the Anfield legend.
"What we needed was the players to believe only in the chance and nothing more," he says.
"I was saying to the boys, "We need to win 4-0 tonight" and was laughing. Easy to say, huh? I knew it was difficult, nearly impossible, but I said, "Because it is you we have a chance so let's try". It is not about what I think. It is about the players.
"What do they think? Then when I saw Barcelona kick off and kick the ball back and we jumping all on them I thought, "Okay, it is possible". Barca still had bigger chances at Anfield than in Barcelona.
"Then at half-time, Andy Robertson can't carry on. So Milly, Gini, let's go. In the dressing room at that moment was so special. Everyone was completely on their toes. 'Come on, let's go'. We all knew if Barca score one goal it is done, but we never in that game thinking about the final step, only the next step.
"At 2-0, atmosphere changes. Then 3-0. Wow. Then 4-0 with the best goal I ever saw. Goal of the season. So difficult. Not only Trent's corner but the shot which nine times out of ten is over The Kop.
"I see my job like this. If possible, play the best season of your life. If you win something, you carry on. If you don't win something, you carry on. 
"It is not about whether in a couple of years people say Klopp won or did not win this or that. I do not need that. What I want is this club is a positive as possible. But of course, I want to end this season different to others."
And that is the point.
What hurt most after defeats in Basel in the Europa League final, Kiev last season and more recently finishing runners-up to Manchester City in the Premier League was the postponement of the biggest parties.
Rivals have often stated Liverpool fans will be unbearable if they win, and maybe they are right. As a city, as supporters, there are none better at savouring victory and the truth is I've come to Marbella, Liverpool's pre-Champions League training camp, with a conditional invitation for the manager.
"You can't go to Liverpool city centre much because you get recognised, but will you be there on June 2?" I ask him.
"If we win I can promise that. There will be no sleep planned," he replies. "Good. I will look after you," I tell him. "I am not sure that would help. I have seen a couple of videos of you!" says Klopp, adding: "If there is something to celebrate I am pretty good at celebrating.
"That is what we are going for. That is what we want at the end of this season.
"It would be deserved, 100 per cent. But Tottenham will see it differently. This is normal.
"We are working for the moment we want. Three times we have been so close, three times we have had nothing. In the Olympics you go home with the silver medal. We have nothing.
"Motivation will not be a problem."
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

laoislad

Can't you ever just post a link and leave it at that?
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

manfromdelmonte

not one post on the day of the actual Heysel disaster.
On a liverpool thread.

Ye have very selective memory lads.
RIP to the 39 fans who never came home.

Gabriel_Hurl

#43414
the absolute state of you

10 posts about Liverpool since your last post in the Everton thread back in March

Franko

Quote from: laoislad on May 30, 2019, 04:13:13 PM
Can't you ever just post a link and leave it at that?

Cut him a bit of slack... the link is behind a paywall.

And before you go down the 'he's killing journalism' rabbit hole... I can't see too many GAABoarders having an issue with us getting one over on the Barclay brothers.

Franko

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
not one post on the day of the actual Heysel disaster.
On a liverpool thread.

Ye have very selective memory lads.
RIP to the 39 fans who never came home.

Firstly, it's not the day of the disaster, it's the anniversary of the disaster.

Secondly, wise up you absolute f**king disgrace of a human.*

*From an non-Liverpool supporter.

laoislad

Quote from: Franko on May 30, 2019, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 30, 2019, 04:13:13 PM
Can't you ever just post a link and leave it at that?

Cut him a bit of slack... the link is behind a paywall.

And before you go down the 'he's killing journalism' rabbit hole... I can't see too many GAABoarders having an issue with us getting one over on the Barclay brothers.
It's a pain in the arse scrolling down with a post that long, he does it on every thread. That article may be behind a paywall but they aren't always. Plus he copies and pastes the whole fecking page adverts and all and descriptions of images that may have been on the article.I find it annoying.
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

Dire Ear

Quote from: Franko on May 30, 2019, 05:33:00 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
not one post on the day of the actual Heysel disaster.
On a liverpool thread.

Ye have very selective memory lads.
RIP to the 39 fans who never came home.

Firstly, it's not the day of the disaster, it's the anniversary of the disaster.

Secondly, wise up you absolute f**king disgrace of a human.*

*From an non-Liverpool supporter.
Shameful from an Everton supporter

laoislad

#43419
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 30, 2019, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 30, 2019, 05:33:00 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 30, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
not one post on the day of the actual Heysel disaster.
On a liverpool thread.

Ye have very selective memory lads.
RIP to the 39 fans who never came home.

Firstly, it's not the day of the disaster, it's the anniversary of the disaster.

Secondly, wise up you absolute f**king disgrace of a human.*

*From an non-Liverpool supporter.
Shameful from an Everton supporter
I could be wrong but I think from reading the Teachers thread on here that manfromdelmonte is a teacher.
Can you believe that?  if he is a teacher then this absolute idiot is responsible for the education of kids. I mean really,when you think about it ,with the stuff he posts on here ,that is just mind boggling that he is possibly doing such a job.
He couldn't give a fcuk about those who died at Hysel, his only aim is to have a dig at all Liverpool fans, the same way Over the Bar did when he used the unfortunate Sean Cox incident to have a dig at all Liverpool fans.
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

quit yo jibbajabba

Ye could report the heure as ive done before but ye mite as well take a piss in a bin and tip it over yer head for all the good it would do. Mods dont seem to have an issue with him

Tony Baloney

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2019, 05:23:49 PM
the absolute state of you

10 posts about Liverpool since your last post in the Everton thread back in March
I'm surprised there in anything to comment on regarding Everton since the start of the internet.

laoislad

Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 30, 2019, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2019, 05:23:49 PM
the absolute state of you

10 posts about Liverpool since your last post in the Everton thread back in March
I'm surprised there in anything to comment on regarding Everton since the start of the internet.
I think they won an award once for their hanging baskets outside Woodison..
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

JoG2


brokencrossbar1

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 30, 2019, 06:24:31 PM
Ye could report the heure as ive done before but ye mite as well take a piss in a bin and tip it over yer head for all the good it would do. Mods dont seem to have an issue with him

If you do that then you'd be a true scouser...a bin-tipper ;D

He's a bitter blue who can't get over the fact that they are a shambles. Apart from the team Howard Kendall built Everton have been mid table shite all their existence. It kills them but the hope of seeing us lose stuff keeps them alive...I heard there's a wild run on Harry Kane shirts this week in the Everton fan base....