Arlene's bigotry shines through

Started by StGallsGAA, February 14, 2018, 01:13:21 PM

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Eamonnca1

Canada was in decent shape when they abandoned it. Australia not too bad. They did a decent job in Hong Kong.

Eamonnca1

Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Another interesting bit from the article

"The nationalist was the most annoyed and frustrated. He was particularly angry that unionism seemed content to economically withdraw into itself and into the eastern counties of the North.

He vividly described the economic waste land that exists on the western side of a line that stretches from Coleraine, bulging out to encompassing most of Tyrone and reaching the southern most point of Fermanagh. His most insightful description was that on their side of the line they had two airports and two universities.

The other businessman was less colourful but even more interesting. Born into a unionist background and a business that straddled the Border, his thesis was that Irish unionism was on its last legs.

Because of the changing demographics he argued that all that was needed was to convince a small number of unionists that Irish unity was the future. He was adamant that the number of unionists persuadable to that opinion was growing, and that the wrong people to do the persuading was Sinn Féin.

The argument as to who are the right people to do the persuading is for another day in the not too distant future, but the substance of this businessman's argument is being heard more often in unexpected quarters."

Absolutely spot on.

red hander

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2018, 05:35:14 PM
Canada was in decent shape when they abandoned it. Australia not too bad. They did a decent job in Hong Kong.

I'd say the indigenous people of the first two examples would disagree with you, as for Hong Kong, was it not built on the spoils of opium? And the second they pulled out they, in that typically arrogant British way, complained about the lack of democracy, ignoring the glaring fact there was no democracy when those c***ts were exploiting the place for a hundred years


Franko

Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Another interesting bit from the article

"The nationalist was the most annoyed and frustrated. He was particularly angry that unionism seemed content to economically withdraw into itself and into the eastern counties of the North.

He vividly described the economic waste land that exists on the western side of a line that stretches from Coleraine, bulging out to encompassing most of Tyrone and reaching the southern most point of Fermanagh. His most insightful description was that on their side of the line they had two airports and two universities.

The other businessman was less colourful but even more interesting. Born into a unionist background and a business that straddled the Border, his thesis was that Irish unionism was on its last legs.

Because of the changing demographics he argued that all that was needed was to convince a small number of unionists that Irish unity was the future. He was adamant that the number of unionists persuadable to that opinion was growing, and that the wrong people to do the persuading was Sinn Féin.

The argument as to who are the right people to do the persuading is for another day in the not too distant future, but the substance of this businessman's argument is being heard more often in unexpected quarters."

Pretty much bang on.  Though what I would add is that the bit in bold summarises well what's going on here right now.

"Sinn Fein are doing it all wrong" is the cry.

But people are VERY light on answers and actions when it comes to doing it the "correct" way.

seafoid

Quote from: Franko on February 22, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Another interesting bit from the article

"The nationalist was the most annoyed and frustrated. He was particularly angry that unionism seemed content to economically withdraw into itself and into the eastern counties of the North.

He vividly described the economic waste land that exists on the western side of a line that stretches from Coleraine, bulging out to encompassing most of Tyrone and reaching the southern most point of Fermanagh. His most insightful description was that on their side of the line they had two airports and two universities.

The other businessman was less colourful but even more interesting. Born into a unionist background and a business that straddled the Border, his thesis was that Irish unionism was on its last legs.

Because of the changing demographics he argued that all that was needed was to convince a small number of unionists that Irish unity was the future. He was adamant that the number of unionists persuadable to that opinion was growing, and that the wrong people to do the persuading was Sinn Féin.

The argument as to who are the right people to do the persuading is for another day in the not too distant future, but the substance of this businessman's argument is being heard more often in unexpected quarters."

Pretty much bang on.  Though what I would add is that the bit in bold summarises well what's going on here right now.

"Sinn Fein are doing it all wrong" is the cry.

But people are VERY light on answers and actions when it comes to doing it the "correct" way.
The stats in the Paul Gosling link are shocking

1.   Since partition, the economic strength of the north and the south have gone into reverse. In 1920, 80% of Irish industrial output was in and around Belfast, with Belfast the largest city in the island of Ireland.  The economy of the Republic is now four times larger than that of Northern Ireland, with industrial output ten times larger than that of Northern Ireland.
2.   Average full time income per head in the Republic in 2016 was £40,403, compared to £25,999 in Northern Ireland. In other words, a worker in the Republic is typically paid half as much again as someone working in Northern Ireland.
3.   Since the Good Friday Agreement, increased investment has flown to the Republic, rather than to Northern Ireland. Some £312bn of US investment has gone into the Republic since the GFA.
4.   GVA – gross value added – per capita in the Republic in 2014 was €38,100, compared to €22,000 in Northern Ireland, just 57% of that in the south.
5.   The Republic is much more globally and export focused than is Northern Ireland. As of 2015, exports accounted for 39.5% of Irish economic output, twice the level of Northern Ireland.
6.   The Republic is Northern Ireland's main export market, accounting for 31% of international exports – a market likely to contract significantly following Brexit.
7.   The economic performance gap between the Republic and Northern Ireland is widening. According to the latest Economic Eye study from accountancy firm EY, economic growth last year in the Republic was 4.9% and in Northern Ireland it was 1.4%.
8.   The Republic is expected to increase its employment level, while Northern Ireland is predicted to lose jobs. EY predicts that the Republic will generate an additional 91,000 jobs by 2020 compared to 2016, whereas Northern Ireland will lose 3,500 jobs.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

yellowcard

Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2018, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 22, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Another interesting bit from the article

"The nationalist was the most annoyed and frustrated. He was particularly angry that unionism seemed content to economically withdraw into itself and into the eastern counties of the North.

He vividly described the economic waste land that exists on the western side of a line that stretches from Coleraine, bulging out to encompassing most of Tyrone and reaching the southern most point of Fermanagh. His most insightful description was that on their side of the line they had two airports and two universities.

The other businessman was less colourful but even more interesting. Born into a unionist background and a business that straddled the Border, his thesis was that Irish unionism was on its last legs.

Because of the changing demographics he argued that all that was needed was to convince a small number of unionists that Irish unity was the future. He was adamant that the number of unionists persuadable to that opinion was growing, and that the wrong people to do the persuading was Sinn Féin.

The argument as to who are the right people to do the persuading is for another day in the not too distant future, but the substance of this businessman's argument is being heard more often in unexpected quarters."

Pretty much bang on.  Though what I would add is that the bit in bold summarises well what's going on here right now.

"Sinn Fein are doing it all wrong" is the cry.

But people are VERY light on answers and actions when it comes to doing it the "correct" way.
The stats in the Paul Gosling link are shocking

1.   Since partition, the economic strength of the north and the south have gone into reverse. In 1920, 80% of Irish industrial output was in and around Belfast, with Belfast the largest city in the island of Ireland.  The economy of the Republic is now four times larger than that of Northern Ireland, with industrial output ten times larger than that of Northern Ireland.
2.   Average full time income per head in the Republic in 2016 was £40,403, compared to £25,999 in Northern Ireland. In other words, a worker in the Republic is typically paid half as much again as someone working in Northern Ireland.
3.   Since the Good Friday Agreement, increased investment has flown to the Republic, rather than to Northern Ireland. Some £312bn of US investment has gone into the Republic since the GFA.
4.   GVA – gross value added – per capita in the Republic in 2014 was €38,100, compared to €22,000 in Northern Ireland, just 57% of that in the south.
5.   The Republic is much more globally and export focused than is Northern Ireland. As of 2015, exports accounted for 39.5% of Irish economic output, twice the level of Northern Ireland.
6.   The Republic is Northern Ireland's main export market, accounting for 31% of international exports – a market likely to contract significantly following Brexit.
7.   The economic performance gap between the Republic and Northern Ireland is widening. According to the latest Economic Eye study from accountancy firm EY, economic growth last year in the Republic was 4.9% and in Northern Ireland it was 1.4%.
8.   The Republic is expected to increase its employment level, while Northern Ireland is predicted to lose jobs. EY predicts that the Republic will generate an additional 91,000 jobs by 2020 compared to 2016, whereas Northern Ireland will lose 3,500 jobs.

It is not shocking at all, I regularly journey across the border and the difference in economic prosperity is fairly evident. The difference in wages between north and south is striking and the amount of tradesmen making the daily commute to Dublin from the north is huge. There must be no tradesmen in the south.

Even something as simple as infrastructure and roads, it is fairly shocking how the pendulum has swung firmly in favour of the south in the last 15/20 years. The north economically has massive potential upon reunification particularly along the east coast, but it is being completely stifled by the inability of entrenched unionists to see beyond a flag.

GJL

Wee Jeffery got some roasting on The View last night. A joy to watch.

sensethetone

Quote from: GJL on February 23, 2018, 09:30:15 AM
Wee Jeffery got some roasting on The View last night. A joy to watch.

Does anyone honestly believe Arlene knew about a deal and Jeffery didn't?

If she did she can't have long left as leader or the DUP don't rate Jeffery.

haranguerer

Quote from: Franko on February 22, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Another interesting bit from the article

"The nationalist was the most annoyed and frustrated. He was particularly angry that unionism seemed content to economically withdraw into itself and into the eastern counties of the North.

He vividly described the economic waste land that exists on the western side of a line that stretches from Coleraine, bulging out to encompassing most of Tyrone and reaching the southern most point of Fermanagh. His most insightful description was that on their side of the line they had two airports and two universities.

The other businessman was less colourful but even more interesting. Born into a unionist background and a business that straddled the Border, his thesis was that Irish unionism was on its last legs.

Because of the changing demographics he argued that all that was needed was to convince a small number of unionists that Irish unity was the future. He was adamant that the number of unionists persuadable to that opinion was growing, and that the wrong people to do the persuading was Sinn Féin.

The argument as to who are the right people to do the persuading is for another day in the not too distant future, but the substance of this businessman's argument is being heard more often in unexpected quarters."

Pretty much bang on.  Though what I would add is that the bit in bold summarises well what's going on here right now.

"Sinn Fein are doing it all wrong" is the cry.

But people are VERY light on answers and actions when it comes to doing it the "correct" way.

I would say they're doing it pretty much right. That's not the issue though, the issue is that, given how far they have brought things, they'll never be accepted by unionists.

Nonetheless, SF will have to do the heavy lifting for another while, might as well be the lightning rod for all the unionist fury as half it, before some of the southern parties can come in, offer coalition or something else acceptable to unionists, and get the job done as a better alternative than dealing with SF. SF screwed in the moment of victory, but I guess that's politics.

Avondhu star

Quote from: GJL on February 23, 2018, 09:30:15 AM
Wee Jeffery got some roasting on The View last night. A joy to watch.
" a roasting " ?
Leave the rugby trial out of it
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

seafoid

Quote from: yellowcard on February 22, 2018, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2018, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 22, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Another interesting bit from the article

"The nationalist was the most annoyed and frustrated. He was particularly angry that unionism seemed content to economically withdraw into itself and into the eastern counties of the North.

He vividly described the economic waste land that exists on the western side of a line that stretches from Coleraine, bulging out to encompassing most of Tyrone and reaching the southern most point of Fermanagh. His most insightful description was that on their side of the line they had two airports and two universities.

The other businessman was less colourful but even more interesting. Born into a unionist background and a business that straddled the Border, his thesis was that Irish unionism was on its last legs.

Because of the changing demographics he argued that all that was needed was to convince a small number of unionists that Irish unity was the future. He was adamant that the number of unionists persuadable to that opinion was growing, and that the wrong people to do the persuading was Sinn Féin.

The argument as to who are the right people to do the persuading is for another day in the not too distant future, but the substance of this businessman's argument is being heard more often in unexpected quarters."

Pretty much bang on.  Though what I would add is that the bit in bold summarises well what's going on here right now.

"Sinn Fein are doing it all wrong" is the cry.

But people are VERY light on answers and actions when it comes to doing it the "correct" way.
The stats in the Paul Gosling link are shocking

1.   Since partition, the economic strength of the north and the south have gone into reverse. In 1920, 80% of Irish industrial output was in and around Belfast, with Belfast the largest city in the island of Ireland.  The economy of the Republic is now four times larger than that of Northern Ireland, with industrial output ten times larger than that of Northern Ireland.
2.   Average full time income per head in the Republic in 2016 was £40,403, compared to £25,999 in Northern Ireland. In other words, a worker in the Republic is typically paid half as much again as someone working in Northern Ireland.
3.   Since the Good Friday Agreement, increased investment has flown to the Republic, rather than to Northern Ireland. Some £312bn of US investment has gone into the Republic since the GFA.
4.   GVA – gross value added – per capita in the Republic in 2014 was €38,100, compared to €22,000 in Northern Ireland, just 57% of that in the south.
5.   The Republic is much more globally and export focused than is Northern Ireland. As of 2015, exports accounted for 39.5% of Irish economic output, twice the level of Northern Ireland.
6.   The Republic is Northern Ireland's main export market, accounting for 31% of international exports – a market likely to contract significantly following Brexit.
7.   The economic performance gap between the Republic and Northern Ireland is widening. According to the latest Economic Eye study from accountancy firm EY, economic growth last year in the Republic was 4.9% and in Northern Ireland it was 1.4%.
8.   The Republic is expected to increase its employment level, while Northern Ireland is predicted to lose jobs. EY predicts that the Republic will generate an additional 91,000 jobs by 2020 compared to 2016, whereas Northern Ireland will lose 3,500 jobs.

It is not shocking at all, I regularly journey across the border and the difference in economic prosperity is fairly evident. The difference in wages between north and south is striking and the amount of tradesmen making the daily commute to Dublin from the north is huge. There must be no tradesmen in the south.

Even something as simple as infrastructure and roads, it is fairly shocking how the pendulum has swung firmly in favour of the south in the last 15/20 years. The north economically has massive potential upon reunification particularly along the east coast, but it is being completely stifled by the inability of entrenched unionists to see beyond a flag.

One thing about the South is stability. The Troubles are still wreaking havoc in the North in terms of economic output. So many business connections were lost. 30 years of experience missed out on.

I was in Lebanon after the civil war ended. Before the war it had been the main economic centre in the Arab world. The hotels all had photos of film stars from the 50s and 60s . By the time the war ended Dubai had become the banking hub. Beirut will never regain what it lost.

Unionism is such a shortsighted ideology.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

ziggysego

Quote from: Avondhu star on February 23, 2018, 02:05:28 PM
Quote from: GJL on February 23, 2018, 09:30:15 AM
Wee Jeffery got some roasting on The View last night. A joy to watch.
" a roasting " ?
Leave the rugby trial out of it

Don't be disgusting!! 😠
Testing Accessibility

smelmoth

Quote from: red hander on February 21, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 21, 2018, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 21, 2018, 06:01:57 PM
Arlene speaks today
We were not contemplating bringing in an Irish language act and I could not be clearer in relation to that. If you look at the so-called draft agreement that is only one of a number of documents that were circulated and put out and about, and I think the important thing is that we now reflect on where we got to in relation to all of those issues, we have a budget put in place, I think that is important for the people of Northern Ireland and that we move forward.
Move forward! !!!
DUPUDA? ?
Maybe to 1697 perhaps  >:(

Doesn't really matter, she's an irrelevance, a mediocre solicitor from the sticks way out of her league with no discernible role now that Stormont is finito. If she doesn't throw the towel in, the findings of the RHI Inquiry will in all likelihood finish her, such was her ineptitude in the handling of that farce from the very start (not to mention the benefits accrued from it by members of her family in Fermanagh). As I said before, Brexit and demographics will sort the rest out for the Irish people of the putrid statelet ... tick tock, tick tock

If uk leave with a deal that impacts negatively on the 2 way trade between U.K. And RoI and RoI then also leave will that hasten a united ireland?

Demographics?? If this is based on percentage of the population identifying as from the catholic community times the percentage who want a UI times the percentage that will actually vote for it where are you getting data from that makes you think this is a simple matter of tick tock?

As for DUP they are a sorry bunch. The party contains many unsavoury candidates. Their support many more. But there is a gravitational pull towards their electoral success. Not all their voters share all of their unpleasant views and most would have no truck with UDA. The party are beholden to a scary right wing. It looks to me that will split unless in unearths a Paisley-like demagogue. Not said with relish

seafoid

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/23/good-friday-agreement-irish-brexit-northern-ireland

..last week's attack on the agreement by a trio of Brexiteers is a development worth unpicking. On 15 February, the Irish historian Ruth Dudley Edwards wrote a Daily Telegraph article on the 13-month impasse at Stormont that concluded: "Realists believe the [deal] has served its purpose and run its course, leaving behind the unintended consequence of enshrining sectarianism in the political process."
The following day the Tory MP Owen Paterson, a former Northern Ireland secretary, tweeted a link to the piece with a comment: "The collapse of power-sharing in Northern Ireland shows the Good Friday agreement has outlived its use." Last Saturday the Tory MEP Daniel Hannan wrote, again in the Telegraph, that the agreement was "often spoken about in quasi-religious terms ... but its flaws have become clearer over time". Finally, two days later, the Labour MP Kate Hoey told the Huffington Post that she thought the agreement needed "a cold, rational look", and that the power-sharing Northern Ireland executive it mandated was "not sustainable in the long term".
The condemnation of Paterson, Hannan and Hoey has been fierce: this week Hoey told the Northern Ireland affairs select committee that finding fault with the Good Friday agreement was "as if you're saying you want to kill all babies at birth". In their defence, all three could argue their criticism was directed at Stormont's failure rather than the agreement's international aspects, such as cross-border trade and cooperation. But their long-held position on Brexit – Hannan was one of its chief architects – suggests a different motive: "If the Belfast agreement must die so that the glorious ideal of Brexit may live, so be it," to quote Fintan O'Toole in today's Irish Times about this "cynical and reckless" exercise.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU