Military Displays at Croke Park

[Orchard park]

#strengthenthenation

Pathetic stuff altogether.

Googled this to see what it was.
Sure this is just mainly Irish DFs force stuff whats so pathetic about it?

Googled it also "commemorating this year's 60th Anniversary of Irish involvement in Peacekeeping" not sure what so pathetic about that either?

What's it got to do with the GAA?

What's peacekeeping got to do with strengthening the nation?

Meaningless gibberish to stir nationalistic emotion in morons.

You brought that hastag into this thread and started bashing it when it had nothing in particular to do with the commemoration at Croke Park.

Peacekeeping means that Ireland is an active member of the UN where all sovereign nations recognize each other. Enhanced reputation there advances diplomatic weight and hence strengthens sovereignity

Did SFA for us when the bondholders said NEI

[Cunny Funt]

#strengthenthenation

Pathetic stuff altogether.

Googled this to see what it was.
Sure this is just mainly Irish DFs force stuff whats so pathetic about it?

Googled it also "commemorating this year's 60th Anniversary of Irish involvement in Peacekeeping" not sure what so pathetic about that either?

What's it got to do with the GAA?

What's peacekeeping got to do with strengthening the nation?

Meaningless gibberish to stir nationalistic emotion in morons.

Plenty of GAA past and present players have worked in the Army and i'm sure a few have done overseas peacekeeping duty also.  Not sure how its strengthening the nation but maybe its to do with an army peacekeeping than invading and terrorizing countries.

[Eamonnca1]

I don't have a problem with peacekeeping. It's a good way of generating goodwill internationally. Diplomacy has value in this world, no matter what some people seem to think. 

I think I remember reading somewhere* that peacekeepers tend to come disproportionately from developing countries. Apparently it earns a bit of money for them. Certain countries with big military machines are less inclined to send peacekeepers.

*Here it is: Soldiers From Poor Countries Have Become the World's Peacekeepers

[gallsman]

#strengthenthenation

Pathetic stuff altogether.

Googled this to see what it was.
Sure this is just mainly Irish DFs force stuff whats so pathetic about it?

Googled it also "commemorating this year's 60th Anniversary of Irish involvement in Peacekeeping" not sure what so pathetic about that either?

What's it got to do with the GAA?

What's peacekeeping got to do with strengthening the nation?

Meaningless gibberish to stir nationalistic emotion in morons.

Plenty of GAA past and present players have worked in the Army and i'm sure a few have done overseas peacekeeping duty also.  Not sure how its strengthening the nation but maybe its to do with an army peacekeeping than invading and terrorizing countries.

Ffs, is that really your arguement?! Plenty of GAA men have been bankers in their time and don't see the IBOA getting lauded at Croke Park, unfurling their banners with their corny hashtags.

See also: doctors, vets, engineers, accountants, plumbers, electricians, farmers, pilots, window cleaners, postmen etc etc etc

[Evil Genius]

... but the most important thing here is the GAA was deeply involved in the rising and events of the time, making it part of their history and something they can rightfully commemorate

Really?

War effort
In the very weeks before the Rising, indeed, a deputation of leading GAA officials travelled to London where, accompanied by John Redmond, they met with the British chancellor of the exchequer to press their case for exemption from an entertainment tax that had been introduced to help fund the ongoing war effort.
These were not the actions of ideologues, but of pragmatists and men concerned, for the most part, with the fortunes of their games and those who played them.

A similar pragmatism is discernible in the GAA's public statements in the immediate aftermath of the Rising. Even as popular sentiment began to shift in response to the excesses of British policy in suppressing the insurrection, the GAA was adamant in its denials that its aims and objects were anything other than sporting. To suggest otherwise, as some had done before the official commission set up to investigate the rebellion, was, the association insisted, both "untrue" and "unjust".

Above all else, what governed GAA policy throughout 1916 was the service of its sports rather than separatist politics.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-s-role-in-1916-rising-separating-fact-from-fiction-1.2620996

"And if. You know. Your History. It's enough to make your Heart go Woooooaaaaaah" 

[Evil Genius]

And while I'm here*, I would point out that FAR more GAA men fought for the British Army in WWI than joined in the Easter Rising.

For example:
"Clare historian Keir McNamara believes most young men who joined [the British Army] did so for similar reasons. Precise figures are difficult to establish, but he estimates that up [to] 3,000 men left directly from Clare for the war – and probably twice that if the diaspora is included. They tended to be from rural rather than agrarian backgrounds. Some may have been swayed by John Redmond's rhetoric. And all would probably have been on the front for the 1916 Rising, after which the GAA's nationalist credentials became more overt."
More here: https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/from-gaelic-fields-to-poppy-fields-the-gaa-s-hidden-part-in-the-great-war-1.3476517


* - Sorry to disappoint folks, but I only chanced upon this debate after googling something else and following some random links. So this is just (ahem) a flying column from me. 

[Cunny Funt]

#strengthenthenation

Pathetic stuff altogether.

Googled this to see what it was.
Sure this is just mainly Irish DFs force stuff whats so pathetic about it?

Googled it also "commemorating this year's 60th Anniversary of Irish involvement in Peacekeeping" not sure what so pathetic about that either?

What's it got to do with the GAA?

What's peacekeeping got to do with strengthening the nation?

Meaningless gibberish to stir nationalistic emotion in morons.

Plenty of GAA past and present players have worked in the Army and i'm sure a few have done overseas peacekeeping duty also.  Not sure how its strengthening the nation but maybe its to do with an army peacekeeping than invading and terrorizing countries.

Ffs, is that really your arguement?! Plenty of GAA men have been bankers in their time and don't see the IBOA getting lauded at Croke Park, unfurling their banners with their corny hashtags.

See also: doctors, vets, engineers, accountants, plumbers, electricians, farmers, pilots, window cleaners, postmen etc etc etc

I have given my thoughts isn't that what you asked for in the opening post of this thread. Representing your nation in the Army is just a slightly different job than any of those you named. Disgraceful and pathetic are the type of words you have thrown out in this thread maybe you can provide a stronger argument for such comments.

[five points]

Ffs, is that really your arguement?! Plenty of GAA men have been bankers in their time and don't see the IBOA getting lauded at Croke Park, unfurling their banners with their corny hashtags.

That's because the IBOA is a trade union.

Croke Park has seen many bank banners, flags and ribbons, even on our most cherished cups.

[five points]

Its a start on the slippery slope that leads to this:



Example - the yanks.

Becoming more and more like a right wing, ultra-nationalist, police state by the year.

Massive military spending? Check.
No criticism of militaristic attitudes allowed? Check.
Erosion of civil rights? Check.
Restriction in freedom of press? Check.
The public are fed more propaganda lies than truths? Check.

Gas how you complain of a "right wing, ultra-nationalist, police state" by posting a picture of the ultimate left wing, ultra-nationalist, police state.

The current US President is trying to cut its massive military spending (particularly on NATO) so no doubt you welcome that.

[Jinxy]

A lot of lads disrespecting the troops here.
Which is treason.

[Milltown Row2]

Great to see Evil Genius back, briefly

[gallsman]

A lot of lads disrespecting the troops here.
Which is treason.

[Keyser soze]

Its a start on the slippery slope that leads to this:



Example - the yanks.

Becoming more and more like a right wing, ultra-nationalist, police state by the year.

Massive military spending? Check.
No criticism of militaristic attitudes allowed? Check.
Erosion of civil rights? Check.
Restriction in freedom of press? Check.
The public are fed more propaganda lies than truths? Check.

Gas how you complain of a "right wing, ultra-nationalist, police state" by posting a picture of the ultimate left wing, ultra-nationalist, police state.

The current US President is trying to cut its massive military spending (particularly on NATO) so no doubt you welcome that.

Heh? Am I picking this up wrong or are you saying the Nazis were left wing???  Every day's a school day on here!!!

[Baile an tuaigh]

The Germans never referred  themselves as "Nazis". This was a derogatory term put on them for propaganda purposes. They were National Socialists.

[omaghjoe]

This is pure Godwins law nonsense, just because this happened in the 30's does not mean it happens everytime there is a military display at a sporting event.

Wether or not there should be a military displays at Croke Park is a completely independent matter from 30s Germany.

Personally one offs like this I dont think they do a lot of harm tho at American sporting events that carryon is eye rolling stuff for me (but  its usually more interesting than the sports). Its their way of doing things so its just something you put up with in another country, the huge gap under toilet cubicles effects and annoys me far more if Im honest!

Ireland's sovereignty is protected mostly by NATO and the UN and no matter how much the military spending it could never use its military as an independent diplomatic tool like larger countries do. So in effect it doesn't really need a serious military.
In saying that however hiding behind a neutral country banner is rather naive as Ireland actually does benefit from other countries military.