East wall #Irelandisfull

[armaghniac]

The knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.

[OgraAnDun]

The knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.

Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?

[tyrone08]

I have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

[RedHand88]

I have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

No they don't. For the most part the socialise exclusively with other Irish people. They play Irish sports, go out in Irish bars, go to special food places which import Irish food. I know several, including family members.

[tyrone08]

I have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

No they don't. For the most part the socialise exclusively with other Irish people. They play Irish sports, go out in Irish bars, go to special food places which import Irish food. I know several, including family members.

They definitely contribute heavily as they are often working in construction, bars etc. Look st the positive impact the irish had on America and in Australia. They cant go and claim benefits in other countries so they have to work. The may socialize with their own sometimes as their believe system and language are often the same they integrate far better than say a non English speaking person who moves into an English speaking country.

I know lots of irish people in Australia, America and Canada who have married locals and who make friends. That is intergrating.

[tyrone08]

The knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.

Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?

The obvious answer is that its easier to find someone who is not from ireland in dublin these days than it is to find an irish man lol

[RedHand88]

I have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

No they don't. For the most part the socialise exclusively with other Irish people. They play Irish sports, go out in Irish bars, go to special food places which import Irish food. I know several, including family members.

They definitely contribute heavily as they are often working in construction, bars etc. Look st the positive impact the irish had on America and in Australia. They cant go and claim benefits in other countries so they have to work. The may socialize with their own sometimes as their believe system and language are often the same they integrate far better than say a non English speaking person who moves into an English speaking country.

I know lots of irish people in Australia, America and Canada who have married locals and who make friends. That is intergrating.

That's great. The same happens here too though. There are loads of marriages here between Irish and non Irish.

[imtommygunn]

There are plenty of foreigners who contribute heavily though. The NHS up north and in the UK was pretty much kept afloat and one of many reasons it's falling apart is foreign workers leaving post brexit(if there is sucj a thing as post brexit). The Aisling Murphy case highlighted a guy that was claiming benefits which fueled the argument about people coming in claiming benefits.

I would agree with your comment regarding calling people racists. It's very easy to call it that rather than have a debate. A lot don't fall into that category though unfortunately there are a few posts, isolated to a very small few here, which fall into the racist category too on the flip side.

[Armagh18]

There are plenty of foreigners who contribute heavily though. The NHS up north and in the UK was pretty much kept afloat and one of many reasons it's falling apart is foreign workers leaving post brexit(if there is sucj a thing as post brexit). The Aisling Murphy case highlighted a guy that was claiming benefits which fueled the argument about people coming in claiming benefits.

I would agree with your comment regarding calling people racists. It's very easy to call it that rather than have a debate. A lot don't fall into that category though unfortunately there are a few posts, isolated to a very small few here, which fall into the racist category too on the flip side.

What bit of a health service we have left (north and south) would be 10x worse off without foreigners, been like that for years.

Is it racist to want to only allow people like that in and not allow the likes of Aisling Murphys killer and other low lifes in who don't/won't work?

[trailer]

The economy would collapse in Dublin and Ireland without immigrants. Especially the hospitality industry. Health, education and social care all rely heavily on immigrants.

[Milltown Row2]

There are plenty of foreigners who contribute heavily though. The NHS up north and in the UK was pretty much kept afloat and one of many reasons it's falling apart is foreign workers leaving post brexit(if there is sucj a thing as post brexit). The Aisling Murphy case highlighted a guy that was claiming benefits which fueled the argument about people coming in claiming benefits.

I would agree with your comment regarding calling people racists. It's very easy to call it that rather than have a debate. A lot don't fall into that category though unfortunately there are a few posts, isolated to a very small few here, which fall into the racist category too on the flip side.

What bit of a health service we have left (north and south) would be 10x worse off without foreigners, been like that for years.

Is it racist to want to only allow people like that in and not allow the likes of Aisling Murphys killer and other low lifes in who don't/won't work?

If we stopped giving away money, housing, benefits to workshy people, allowed migrants to work straight away, plus they have no entitlement to benefits until they have worked over ten years, then you might get a reduction of people coming in.

The carnage last night completely overshadows the agony of what happened at that school, on the radio this morning on the way into work, the media's first two questions for the police were blaming them for not doing enough!!!

The media is just trash, not once did they ask about the welfare of the people injured in those questions, not one f**k given

[tyrone08]

My simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.

Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.

[imtommygunn]

It's a difficult problem though. Let's say someone comes in without any previous track record and then commits a heinous crime how at the point in time of letting that person in was anyone to know whether they would contribute greatly to society or go on to be a monster?

No it's not necessarily. There are some posts that stray into racist territory. They're very isolated tbh.

[Itchy]

I have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

No they don't. For the most part the socialise exclusively with other Irish people. They play Irish sports, go out in Irish bars, go to special food places which import Irish food. I know several, including family members.

They definitely contribute heavily as they are often working in construction, bars etc. Look st the positive impact the irish had on America and in Australia. They cant go and claim benefits in other countries so they have to work. The may socialize with their own sometimes as their believe system and language are often the same they integrate far better than say a non English speaking person who moves into an English speaking country.

I know lots of irish people in Australia, America and Canada who have married locals and who make friends. That is intergrating.

I am sorry to break this to you but your post is racist. You are implying that Irish people who go abroad all integrate, work hard etc while the pesky foreigners that come here don't integrate and I presume go around attacking people. Is this a fair claim? How do we measure "integration"? My local GAA and soccer clubs have Ukranians, Algerians etc playing with them. I work work with lots of foreigners, hard working family people. I see lots of Irish that never work, go from dole office to the betting shop (never see foreigners doing that). I see Irish people on the TV committing crime in other countries and I see foreigners committing crime in Ireland. I put it to you that you see what you want to see to back up your own internal bias.

A small number of far right as I said earlier prey on people like you as you are easy target with your already established bias that its all the foreigners fault. If there were no foreigners you'd be blaming people from Derry or the people from the next parish.

[bennydorano]

My simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.

Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.

That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.